You’ve Been Warned – Calls for Mandatory “National Service” for Americans Aged 18-28 Have Begun

by | Jun 19, 2015 | Headline News | 148 comments

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    This report was originally published by Michael Krieger at Liberty Blitzkrieg



    War is a Racket

    WAR is a racket. It always has been.

    It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

    A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

    – From Major General Smedley Butler’s War is a Rackett

    This is one of the most important articles I will write all year. The statists are coming for your kids, and the conditioning has already begun.

    Last night, I came across one of the most horrifying articles I have ever read, which is saying a lot. Before I get into it, take a look at the title and the tagline:


    If you think the title is bad, wait until you read the article. What becomes evident is that this grotesque concept of forced “national service” is being actively discussed at the highest levels of government. What Ron Fournier is doing in his National Journal article is conditioning the public to accept something that is completely unacceptable.

    Before we get to that, who is Ron Fournier? National Journal provides a bio:

    Ron Fournier is the Senior Political Columnist and Editorial Director of National Journal. Prior to joining NJ, he worked at the Associated Press for 20 years, most recently as Washington Bureau Chief. A Detroit native, Fournier began his career in Arkansas, first with the Hot Springs Sentinel-Record and then with the Arkansas Democrat and the AP, where he covered the state legislature and Gov. Bill Clinton. In January 1993, Fournier moved to Washington, where he covered the White House and presidential campaigns for the AP. 

    So basically, this guy covered Bill Clinton in Arkansas, moved to the District of Criminals after he was elected President, and now wants to convince you to subject your innocent children into mandatory service to a nation provably run by corrupt criminals and oligarchs.

    It sure is some twisted notion of “shared sacrifice,” when those who had nothing to do with the disastrous choices made by the oligarchy are the ones who have to suffer the consequences.

    Let’s now take this piece of Nazi-esque propaganda apart piece by piece. From the National Journal:

    I know a better way to fight ISIS. It starts with an idea that should appeal the better angels of both hawks and doves: National service for all 18- to 28-year-olds.

    Require virtually every young American—the civic-minded millennial generation—to complete a year of service through programs such as Teach for America, AmeriCorps, the Peace Corps, or the U.S. military, and two things will happen:

    First of all, he confidently proclaims that this scheme will appeal to both hawks and doves. Based on what evidence? Let me provide some evidence against his argument based on a recent Rasmussen poll that 45% of U.S. Voters Concerned Government Will Use Military Training Exercises for Power Grab. Here’s an excerpt from the findings:

    Just 20% of voters now consider the federal government a protector of individual liberty. Sixty percent (60%) see the government as a threat to individual liberty instead.  Only 19% trust the federal government to do the right thing all or most of the time.

    So the American public has no confidence in government, but somehow they are going to gladly line up to serve the corrupt oligarchy? Of course not, which is why people like Ron Fornier want to make it mandatory. Now back to the piece…

    1. Virtually every American family will become intimately invested in the nation’s biggest challenges, including poverty, education, income inequality, and America’s place in a world afire.

    2. Military recruiting will rise to meet threats posed by ISIS and other terrorist networks, giving more people skin in a very dangerous game.

    This may seem like a radical plan until you compare it with two alternatives: the status quo, which clearly isn’t working, or a military draft, which might be the boldest and fairest way to wage the long war against Islamic extremists.

    Notice how he offers us only three options, as if that is all the imaginative well of humanity is capable of coming up with. Forced national service, the status quo or a draft. Nowhere does he offer the logical alternative of say: stop preemptively invading and destroying countries for no reason (Iraq, Libya to name a few).Perhaps then idiotic foreign policy decisions won’t create ISIS in the first place.

    This is an important lesson in how statists operate. They only offer you statist choices. Kind of like being forced to choose between a Clinton and a Bush for President.

    The Draft Act is highly unlikely to be law, given the nation’s post-Vietnam resistance to the mandatory military service and the relative success of an all-volunteer armed forces. Which leads me to the year-of-service plan: It stops far short of a draft while drawing on the ethos of communal sacrifice.

    Notice how he cleverly started the piece by mentioning the Peace Corps, Teach for America, etc, and only listed the military at the end? Pure smoke and mirrors. His entire point is to push for mandatory military service. No one wants to fight any more unnecessary wars to boost corporate profits, and any statist worth his or her salt knows full well mandatory conscription will be necessary in order to maintain the power position and wealth of the status quo going forward.

    Finally, just in case you think this is merely some hack journalist mouthing off, Mr. Fournier makes it clear that this is being discussed at the highest levels of government.

    I spoke about the concept with retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who commanded forces in Afghanistan and Iraq and now chairs the Franklin Project, part of the Aspen Institute that is trying to position a year of full-time national service—a service year—as a “cultural expectation, a common opportunity, and a civic rite of passage for every young American.” His logic tracks with mine.

    Second, if this president or his successor gets serious about ISIS, McChrystal said the effort would require an international coalition and more U.S. troops. “Even if we didn’t need a draft” to drum up the required troops, McChrystal said, “I would argue we need a draft, because it forces national commitment.”

    Forced national commitment to a government nobody believes in. Can’t wait to see how that works out.

    “A problem in America is we’ve let the concept of citizenship diminish into a series of gripes,” McChrystal told me. “One of the ways we can rebuild that sense of ownership, sense of shared ownership, is through experience, and so I believe that every young person deserves—I don’t think this is an onerous thing—deserves the experience of being part of something bigger than themselves.”

    No General McChrystal, we have let the concept of democracy diminish into a corrupt, thieving oligarchy. In case you need proof: New Report from Princeton and Northwestern Proves It: The U.S. is an Oligarchy.

    Furthermore, you don’t “rebuild ownership” by forcing citizens to serve an oligarchy they hate, you “rebuild ownership” by dismantling the oligarchy.

    Bowing to political realities in risk-averse Washington, the Franklin Project aims to make a service year a social expectation rather than a legal requirement. I would mandate it. So would McChrystal—if he had his way.

    Statists gonna state.

    While ISIS and other terrorist groups are having no trouble recruiting suicide bombers, McChrystal said, Americans are struggling to redefine their national identity for the 21st century. “A year of service for young Americans would be a step,” he said. “Not a panacea, a step.”

    This paragraph unintentionally says a lot. You want to fight an army of radical volunteers created by your own foreign policy crimes by forcing people who have no trust in their government to join the military? It’s an idea so stupid and destructive, only a rabid statist could conceive it.

    Before concluding, I want to emphasize how dangerous this line of thinking is. It is precisely because I see these sorts of things coming down the road, that I do what I do with this website. The only way to stop statist plans like these is to win the war of ideas before they have a chance to dazzle you with their next bit of propaganda.

    Stay vigilant and keep fighting.

    For related articles, see:

    Accusations Emerge That the U.S. Is Aiding ISIS – The Latest “Conspiracy Theory” Circulating in Iraq

    Jeb Bush Exposed Part 1 – His Top Advisors Will Be the Architects of His Brother’s Iraq War

    Paralyzed Iraq War Veteran Tomas Young Has Died – Here’s His Final Letter to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney

    Leon Panetta, Head of Pentagon and C.I.A. Under Obama, Says Brace for 30 Year War with ISIS

    The American Public: A Tough Soldier or a Chicken Hawk Cowering in a Cubicle? Some Thoughts on ISIS Intervention

    In Liberty,
    Michael Krieger

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      1. Now we have to hide our kids….

        • Let his kids and the kids of the politicians be the first o es to set foot into the war zone. I got a feeling they don’t know they may have already enlisted them. MOLON LABE

          • All wars are Bankster wars !.

          • Meant to say ones not o es.

            • “communal sacrifice”

              …wait…what flavor will the koolaid be?

        • The problem with this isn’t the idea of “service”, it’s that the service would be dictated and used by the hopelessly corrupt government that we now find ourselves living under. I don’t like how the author fails to explain this distinction.

          We now find ourselves living with several generations of young Americans who place no value at all on human life, nor are they particularly bothered by human (or animal) suffering, nor do they particularly care about the health or welfare of anyone but themselves. In short, the young people of today’s America are far and away the most selfish and sociopathic the nation has ever seen.

          Service, and in particular military service, would be a very good idea for the whole lot of them. The turd in the punchbowl here is (are) our political “leaders”, not the idea of “service”.

          • …YES!…

          • +50 Thumbs up for Johnny V. That was a dead on balls accurate post! The Youth of our Nation is very much a huge embarrassment to the rest of the World.

            • As opposed to what?

              The generation that vaporized 250,000 Japanese civilians just to see what the effects would be, and who gave us 50 years of living in fear as a result?

              • TheGuy – umm, no. That was not a whole generation that vaporized Japanese civilians. That sir, was a handful of psychopath’s in Washington D.C. that was responsible for that.

                • I believe that the japs got just what they deserved do not kick a sleeping dog.

              • Unbelievable that TheGuy should know so little of our history as to make that comment.

                First of all, we vaporized a whole lot more than that.

                Second, they started it.

                Third, read The Rape of Nanking, if you can stomach it.

                Fourth, the maniacs who were running Japan were quite willing to have their entire civilian population wiped out before they’d surrender. (At Saipan they forced civilians to jump off a cliff rather than surrender to the Americans. In other words, they murdered their own people.

                Or, maybe TheGuy is a propagandist for the Communist/Islamist movement????

                • The Japs said themselves they would have used A-bombs on USA, if they had been able to develop them.

                • Wake up dunce. The game was planned long before the Japanese became our “enemy”.
                  To be so stupid and blind, so near to the end is the tragedy

                  • I have not seen or heard anywhere that they are going to implement a draft. This is hogwash and all it has done is GIVE ME AN ULCER. Show me some proof.

                • @ Old Coach and Test

                  Your falsified history is so stereotypical.

                  The Japanese first tried to surrender in November of 1944, surrender on the same terms (keep the Emperor as titular head of the nation) as were finally accepted on Japan’s THIRD surrender attempt, AFTER the Judeo-Masons tested their A-bombs (even using the two most Catholic cities in Japan, in the case of their second A-bomb using Nagasaki’s Urakami Cathedral, as ground zero).

                  Between November of 1944 and August of 1945 a QUARTER MILLION men, women, and children, yes, including US SERVICEMEN, were killed in the Pacific theatre. The Judeo-Masonic bombs had NOTHING to do with “saving lives.” “Saving lives” is not in the playbook of the Father of Murder and Lies—or his children.

                  As for the Rape of Nanking (even if it happened as the victor’s “history” claims), are we to believe that the firebombing of civilians in Tokyo and Dresden was morally superior?

                  Remember! It wasn’t the Japanese who started World War 2, but the usual suspects. World War 2 was FIRST started by World Jewry’s 1933 (!!!) declaration of global war against Germany, a declaration of global war against Germany that seems to have missed publication in the tribal history books. Just an oversight, I am sure.

              • I get it… as opposed to perhaps 1 *million* who very well WOULD have died a slow, agonizing death during an invasion of Japan. I still have questions about whether, or how, that could or should have been done. But dismissing it with a simplistic one sentence wave of the hand sure doesn’t sit well with how I read history. Perhaps you ought to look at the MASSIVE preps Japan made to stop the invasion of their island.

                I don’t know the answer. But I DO know simplistic nostrums don’t sit with me.

                • Coach: ” …The Rape of Nanking, if you can stomach it.”

                  Words do not do the brutal slaughter of innocent women and children and babies in Nanking justice. I have seen the pictures, as my dad, a Marine Corp Veteran of WW II (including Saipan) had a book with the photos of these crimes against humanity.

                  Hundreds of them. Evil. Personified. Beyond words. 🙁

          • “Service” must be only to the States, not the Feds.

          • Jonny V, I’d give you a 1000 thumbs up if Mac would only restore that feature. They are the perfect recruits for the african virus’ “civilian national security force”, unless he’s already created one. They’re also just as vulnerable to bullets as anyone else.

          • Yes! You said all! Every person who lives in America, should serve! Some of them will have a life changing time! Most of them will change for the good! Yes, a few will never change from their street life thinking! But most will. This is fact! I KNOW FOR FACT THE U.S.M.C. CHANGED ME! And saw sooo many others change also! I know a man, goes by the name of Rawhide Justice. Brags about his service. But really went to Canada when his number came up! Wishes he had really served now that he looks back. But to serve your country? Something every person should WANT TO DO !

            • Today it would be a brainwashing program far and above the old days version of brainwashing. Guaranteed they would all come out environmentalists programmed to promote that global warming is caused by man and we all must submit to the new rules..

          • It would be a brainwashing program above and beyond all other things.

        • …it’s too late, the damage is already done. When parents were too busy not to homeschool, the malleable young minds were raped by indoctrination centers, Rx and nonRx drugs, violent video games, gmo junk food, monster drinks, texting, TV, etc., etc., ad nauseam. It’s over, they are gone, empty shells, primed to follow orders obediently.

          You need to hide us from them.

          • 58,000 names on the Viet Nam Memorial Wall
            would probably give a different version of
            how wonderful the draft was.
            That is, if they could still talk.

          • Agree, America is trashed, we’ve let several generations turn into empty shells. Even most retirees are dumb as bricks. Loser moms did not home school or send kids to Christian schools- were too busy buying stuff, computers, boats, campers, etc. and the kids an afterthought. Folks: The old patriots are either dead or too old and sick to fight back. Stay out of political groups incl tea P. they all fail and are hijacked, Voting is a farce, as even the local and state politicians are sold out to ag. 21 common core, open borders, trade agreements,and all the agendas of the Bilder’B/UN elite. Train wreck ahead, get house in order and needed stuff. Clergy and their nat’l assemblies-councils are in on it too by getting big bucks to rip off and deceive the dumb parishioners. Folks lv these 501c3 gov. controlled churches now- they have informants, form small home fellowships or study alone.

          • EA. I’d also give you a 1000 thumbs up if we still had that feature. yes, we will have to hide from them. If they ever come for me, they are history.

        • Though I do NOT advocate any kind of draft, I note one huge benefit of universal military service: GOOD people learn military skills. In a completely voluntary military, mostly “just following orders” robots with bloodlust and malformed consciences hold the weapons.

          • JQP, people have to be raised the right way in order to become good people and learn anything worthwhile. That’s something that has been irrevocably lost. Those mindless robots will be targeting us one day. It makes me sick to know what I have to do to stay alive if/when I’m ever confronted by them.

        • As a Vietnam veteran I told my boys that if there was a war started when they were draft age I would personally drive them to Canada. Luckily, it did not happen. My youngest son was exempt because of a Agent Orange related birth defect and my oldest joined the national guard. Screw the draft and the horse they rode in on.

      2. Bullshit. It will never happen.

      3. Well, if we actually had a country, where the government did their best for ALL of us, then I could see, possibly, young men going off to war to defend what we had. Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

        TPTB have impoverished us to the bone, shipped all the jobs overseas, stolen all our Constitutional Rights, lied to us about virtually everything for the last 15 years…and now they want us to “sacrifice” on their behalf?? I DON’T THINK SO!!

        • This is not the US military of old. The agendas may not have been perfect in the past, but it beats the hell out of sacrificing your children for the wack jobs running things today. The govt will use them up and then forget about them. Our current military is bullshit. Our current politicians/leaders are bullshit. Our current country is bullshit. No thanks. Until our ship is righted, they can fuck off.

          • Gonetoolong, AMEN. I’m glad I didn’t have any kids to sacrifice for the banksters’ wars. During the last draft, I turned 18 in March of 1975. The draft officially ended in May of that same year. I never signed up and never heard any feedback from anyone over it.

        • Well, ask yourself this question; “Would you rather have those inner city kids fighting ISIS, or rioting in the streets of America? ”

          I’m not for or against, as this could be construed as a jobs and training program for many, if it were not really preparation for war.

          This war will be different and it is ALREADY underway. Specially, there will not be time for the usual “mobilization” as in WWI and II.

          Today, your military is ready, or its not. If its not ready …… you are toast. 🙁

          • I agree: I see every day what Millennial youth get up to and doing military service would be very good for them. We need to take their violence and frustration and direct it at ISIS and Muslims.

            Military service is a character-building experience and would take these shiftless youth and make men and women of them. Bring on the draft!!!!!!

            • “Military service is a character-building experience”

              LOL. Maybe 50 or 60 years ago, but that world is long gone. The military of today wants to dismantle ANY character, i.e. create troops that won’t hesitate killing innocent men, women and children (whether that’s foreign or “domestic”) in the spirit of spreading “freedom and democracy” for the sake of keeping bankers fully in control.

              “We need to take their violence and frustration and direct it at ISIS and Muslims”

              How about when they turn their violence on you? That kind of character building?

              If the US military had never become the invasive species, the bully on the block, terrorizing other sovereign countries, then ISIS (a CIA/NSA operative) would not even exist.

              On the other hand, todays military and youth are a match made in heaven… the creation of the perfect monster made in Hell.

              • I think that our “elected officials” ALL need to serve in the military, FIRST, before mandating a “year of public service”.
                The political whores and pimps should serve ON the front lines, be exposed to what our combat troops are exposed to, prior to any bills being promoting on “National Service”.
                We have too damn many useless “community organizers” anyway.

              • So they get them all together while we’re all thinking they’re going over to fight ISIS, THEN THEY TURN THEM ON US INSTEAD.

                Such a sneak attack wouldn’t surprise me.

              • While the national character is undoubtably worse now, national character was not even good enough following World War 2 to prevent Americans from raping and murdering about 2 million Germans AFTER the war.

              • EA, once again, AMEN to your comments. The US military builds only the kind of character required to be one of their mindless robots; to be good little fascist boys and girls who will obey all orders unquestioningly and without hesitation. I’ve said it before here many times and I’ll say it again: ANYONE WHO COMES TO HARM ME AND MINE, REGARDLESS OF WHOSE UNIFORM YOU WEAR, BE READY TO DIE. YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO HARM ME AND MINE, SO JUST FORGET IT IF YOU WANT TO LIVE.

            • For the people who are all for a “MANDATORY NATIONAL SERVICE” — you are not right in the head — You would make Hitler and Himmler very proud for encouraging others to join the Fascist Regime – well played dumbass’s –

            • Frank…….here’s a thought.
              ISIS is America……America is ISIS.
              It’s what your nation has excreted itself into: A country so bent on eternal war (for eternal profit and hegemony), that it now has to create, build and fund it’s very own enemies just to keep kicking the filthy, blood soaked star & striped can down the road.
              You are all going to be nuked……NUKED, NUKED, NUKED.
              …….and that’s sad, because there are some damn good people over there.
              Pick up your guns, oh ye Sons of The Republic…….PICK UP YOUR GUNS.

            • until it’s your kid that was drafted and killed for an ungrateful country and government…maybe you should be careful what you wish for.

        • Respectfully: 1 correction and 2 additions. Others, feel free to jump in:

          …lied to us about virtually everything for the last 50 years…

          …their agents kill over 1000 of us every year and, without provocation, seize our property (civil forfeiture) at will…

      4. @jim

        s.a. boer white genocide

        yes there is reported cannibalism going on jim. they kill the white boer farmers and eat him , his children and his wife in his own kitchen after a good boiling.

        they cut off their hands and feet for trophies.

        the anc kaifur’s are even removing peoples body parts for vodoo, and even collecting the dead boer white’s sex organs breasts penises and vagina’s. there is a international big black market trade there for white long pork meat! literally!

        this is no joke! it’s been going on since 1994.

      5. if i had a kid i’d pay them to NOT join!

        then send em’ out of country for a few years.

      6. Fournier is quite the douche bag

        it is a well known FACT that the US government supported AlQaeda and Osama binLaden for years

        it is also a well known FACT that the US was instrumental in the formation of ISIS

        and now this propagandist wants us to send our children into the sausage grinder ???

        you first ass hole

        • HA! Neocons and liberals answer you:

          No, asshole, me and mine last.

        • My sons and I will only fight in wars we can walk to, all others we will set out.

        • Satori:
          I would not lump all of the U.S. in that group that formed ISIS. It was this Administration that is in the White House right now that was instrumental in their formation.
          S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

        • Satori, the only war I’m taking part in will be to save this country from TPTB.

      7. It may happen by necessity. Our military is gutted,people aren’t joining and Obama has done so on purpose. Either get him and his buddies out or we’ll be in a critical state. Do you think Hillary will do any better? Will there be the means for any president to bring our military back to where it should be? I think we’ve reached the tipping point to go over the edge.

        • If Hilary gets in, we’ll have a military composed of female second lieutenants and transgendered soldiers.

          Maybe we can throw shoes at the enemy.

        • If you mean bring the military to where it should be, I guess you would be talking about disbanding the army. The Constituion forbids a permit standing army the Founders did not want that because they rightfully feared two things. The politicians would use the military to fight unnecessary wars, and that the military could be turned against the people. Looks like we are going to witness both of those things happen. We were only supposed to have a Navy and it was supposed to be a defensive force. In today’s day and age, you could also argue for the Air Force as a defensive force. It is hard to invade a country with just a Navy and an Air Force.

          George Washington’s Farewell Address also covers this subject.

        • Jim, they’ve been recruiting gangbangers and illegal aliens into the military. That’s how desperate they are for people. Those 2 groups won’t have trouble targeting us and I won’t have any trouble defending myself against the bastards.

      8. i’m sure the ruskies and chicoms are quaking in their combat boots…

        Zog Amerika’s Youth … ARE TO FAT TO FIGHT!

      9. So these jackA$$’s are proposing to send our kids to teach love to ISIS savages? Does this include the youngsters from the political elites in DC, The zionist pigs in Wall street and simply the 1%’er families? Plus what cultural points these youngsters must teach other nations? The corruption and an evil system that rules our country? Do they know almost every country hates the USA and what our criminal banksters have done to their countries? I love to send the kids of the wall street families to Greece. Don’t worry about ISIS since those savages are taking orders from their masters in DC.

      10. This is classically called, CONSCRIPTION! The ancient Greeks did it. The Persians did it. The Ottoman’s did it. The Romans did it. The English did it. In this country, Lincoln did it too. Anyone getting off the boat and plenty of Northern slaves were conscripted to fight in the war of Northern aggression. When they run out suckers to volunteer to fight for THEIR gain and YOUR loss, they conscript. Hide your children.

        • I agree.

        • JR, spot on and good to see you back.

      11. Fuck em,unless needed to defend country from enemies outside and in,fuck em.They want slaves as they mismanaged the countries finances,again,fuck em.The kids will be needed for the upcoming civil war against the feds,unlike the south that wanted to succeed this time truly is a civil war,time to take country back,so………,fuck em.Probably need recruits for their internal national army/police,soooooo……

        • I agree with your thinking too.

      12. Not surprised by this at all. Look at other socialist nations. They all have it too.

      13. Well,if the age of service is 18 – 28, that makes them adults. If they want to “serve” that will be their decision.

        • What is it about the term “mandatory” that has you confused?

      14. Whether you like the idea of the military industrial complex or not service should be seen as an individual journey and decision, it should not be forced. Like attracts like and this is why we have the finest Military in the world.

        I served around McChrystal for a few years, he’s a brilliant guy, or I thought so until I found out he voted for Obama. This concept is not new and if our government could be trusted to teach and instill civics with an emphasis on our founding principles it could be positive, but unfortunately that’s no longer the case.

        I came across more than one General that advocated Robert Heinlein’s concept of service for citizenship, and only citizens can vote/go into politics from his book Starship Troopers. It’s a nice idea but we have far too much corruption to consider it viable at this point, now after a good cleansing of Marxist vermin and collectivist tyrants it may be a necessity in the distant future.

        Now sadly a reset of some kind is needed whether spiritual, or kinetic.

        • McChrystal is a great leader and I would listen to him. A tough guy who knows what needs to be done.

          • Again, I don’t believe the governments motivation in this can be trusted. Stanley I believe is a good man, I have friends that worked directly for him and I can say without doubt I at a minimum trust some of the people he trusts.

            If that makes sence.

      15. How about a joke??? Yes, it has been here before, but it is relevent…

        Dear Ma and Pa:

        I am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer the Marine Corps beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before maybe all of the places are filled. I was restless at first because you got to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m., but am getting so I like to sleep late.

        Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing. Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there’s warm water.

        Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, and stuff, but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other regular food. But tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by two city boys that live on coffee. Their food plus yours holds you till noon, when you get fed again. It’s no wonder these city boys can’t walk much.

        We go on “route” marches, which the Platoon Sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it is not my place to tell him different. A “route march” is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks. The country is nice, but awful flat.

        The Sergeant is like a schoolteacher. He nags some. The Capt. is like the school board. Majors and Colonels just ride around and frown. They don’t bother you none.

        This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don’t know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk head and don’t move. And it ain’t shooting at you, like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don’t even load your own cartridges. They come in little metal boxes.

        Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they break easy. It ain’t like fighting with that ole bull at home. I’m about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in Silver Lake. He joined up the same time as me. But I’m only 5’6″ and 130 pounds and he’s 6’8″ and weighs near 300 pounds dry.

        Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in.

        Your loving daughter,

        P.S. Speaking of shooting, enclosed is $200 towards a new barn roof and ma’s teeth. The city boys shoot craps, but not very good.

        • Good one, no matter how often it’s told.

        • Eppe:
          Another good one!;-}
          Keep’m com’n

        • I liked it a lot, thanks eppe 🙂

        • Eppe, another damn good one. Keep them coming.



        Baltimore: 16 Year-Old Black Girl Raped, Strangled, Set on Fire & Killed by BGF Gang Members

        (Justin George) Baltimore police announced the arrests of two men in the death of a 16-year-old girl and the indictments of 11 members of a suspected drug crew they say might be responsible for some of the violence that has roiled the city in recent weeks.

        The arrests and indictments come as police face criticism amid a surge of shootings and killings since the arrest of Freddie Gray. The 25-year-old Baltimore man died in April after suffering a severe spinal cord injury in police custody.

        “We are in the battle,” police Commissioner Anthony W. Batts said Thursday. “You can see we are in the battle, and we’re showing you we are in the battle and we’re taking this very seriously.”

        • Nobody cares about black on black crime…..Black lives only matter when black people are killed by white officers.

      17. As a 64 year old Vet who served with a drafted army, I can say:

        OVER MY DEAD BODY! Will I let my grandchildren be drafted. NEVER again while I draw a breath.

        • Puppets we are.

      18. The wealthy and the connected have always been able to get around the dirty work. As long as they have the loop holes then I say no.

      19. Freedom of speech, huh?

      20. If Obama wants to stop ISIS, STOP FUNDING THEM!!!
        STOP giving them WEAPONS & SUPPLIES.

        • You know all this is just uncalled for. We’ve always been sheeple puppets. Herded from one war to another. Seems like this one will be on our land. God bless us all. Ima gona buy me a boat. Just sail away.

      21. Lets see If I remember correctly, they had a thing called the draft when I was growing up. 18 to 28 was the age limits unless there was a declared war.
        Are they trying to tell us something that we don’t already know, that a war is coming and they have to train these people so they know how to fight.
        A repeat of history WW1, WW2 and Korea. We had to do the same thing, hurry an rush to get a standing army to fight a war. The government, Democrats in power all 3 times and now again, they let the military go to HELL by down sizing when all other powers are upgrading their military. We will get another Peril Harbor, 9-11 type of an event and look out then.
        Russia and China are rattling their sabers and so are we. You have ISIS play their games N. Korea doing their thing. It will not belong before TSHTF.
        S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

        • Russia and China are rattling their sabers because Washington D.C. keeps screwing around with them. A country can only poke at another for so long before they get beyond sick and tired of these dangerous games that D.C. is playing.

          I see the aggression for what it is, and it is not coming from Russia or China –

          • Tony:
            You think that Washington D.C. is messing around with them.
            Just the opposite. That commie radicle Muslim lover in the White House would love to have ISIS, Hummas, China, Russia or some group of AHOLES come in and destroy this country, because we are so evil. He!! just listen to him every time he opens his mouth it is to bash the U.S.A.
            S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

          • Yes Tony, the aggression is not coming from Russia or China, but Americans have been “Exceptional” for so long, they just can’t see it anymore. Most actually believe we are in the RIGHT for bombing little countries into submission and shoving NATO down the Russian’s throats, even after we said we wouldn’t.

            I don’t understand how people just can’t see that bombing women and children over yonder, would make other people in their country pissed off at us…after all, We exceptional Americans are always right, no matter who we bomb or why.

            We can always lie and the countries we’ve bought or blackmailed, will swear to it with us.

            Apparently, WE can never be in the wrong (sarcasm)

          • Who is poking whom? Russia has been maneuvering to take over Ukraine, and ACTUALLY INVADES when their puppet gets his ass kicked out, the US does next to nothing. Russia is feeding Iran nuclear technology, the US does next to nothing. China builds what sure look like military installations in Philippine national waters, the US does nothing. Russia installs military equipment on Norwegian soil, the US does nothing.

            Are you another troll working in a Russian troll factory?

            • H’mm, seems a handful of people here are unable to break away from Mainstream Media News “Official Stories”.
              Evidently, some do not know how Propaganda works – how sad.

              Ukraine had an election, their elected President was removed. This is why Ukrainians are upset, because a ‘coup had taken place, even US Government admits that they had involvement in doing so.

              Another example: Yemen
              Same scenario, different place. Elected officials removed from office and replaced with a US Puppet to rule them all. Anybody with a pair of eyes can see what is and has been going on in this World – simply put – US Government Intrusion –

              If the people in our own country want to make any attempt at World Peace. Then the US MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX needs to be shut down.
              We as a Nation are making enemies faster than ever, because of Washington D.C. Foreign Policies.

              It is the youth in this Nation that are gullible, duped, and getting suckered into joining the Armed Forces to fulfill our Nations Conquest and Agendas. These psychopaths (political thugs)have ruined any attempt to mend and coexist with other Nations – who knows if it is even fixable.

              Want less violence and terrorism in this World?
              Then these fucks who control our Nation need to stop screwing around with other Nations and supporting and or creating the likes of Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

              Our country is not Policing the World – it is Dismantling it.

              • Yanukovych was removed by vote of the Ukrainian Parliament because he was selling out the country to Putin. Russia has been pushing the meme that it was a US coup ever since, especially thru paid trolls on the Internet. It doesn’t wash.

                Do you have any clue why Ukrainians hateRussia? Any clue at all? Search “holodomor”. For them as are too lazy to do so, Stalin’s regime deliberately starved millions of Ukrainians in the ’30s as part of his program to eliminate the middle class farmers. Russian troops took the grain harvest, then they came back and took the seed grain to prevent the farmers from planting another crop.

                Being sold back into slavery to Russia didn’t sit well with the average Ukrainian. It’s a wonder they didn’t give Yanokovych a necktie party.

                • @ Old Coach

                  Your recitation of Soviet history is just as perverted as your recitation of Japanese history—all aimed at hiding the GUILTY. No score.

                  The Ukrainians AND todays Russians HATE the SAME perpetrators of genocide, the same perpetrators of crimes against humanity, and the same ones who STARTED World War 2—yep, many of them from New York City who adopted Russian-sounding names.

                  judaism101.proboards dot com/thread/12/perpetrators-genocide-victims?page=1&scrollTo=12

                • The Father of Murder and Lies is proud of you, Old Coach, but your denials have zero credibility. Your lips are moving.

                  Zionists worked hand-in-glove with Nazis in World War 2:
                  “51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis,”
                  counterpunch dot org/brenner1223.html
                  The Nazi-Zionist Connection – Shocking Hidden History! by Jim Condit Jr.
                  targetfreedomusa dot com/the-nazi-zionist-connection-shocking-hidden-history/

                  and Zionists are working hand-in-glove with Nazis in the Ukraine:
                  Zionists instigate insurrection in the Ukraine
                  Ukraine Protests: Israeli Ex-Officer ‘Leads Militant Group’
                  ibtimes dot
                  Bullying the Ukraine
                  mauricepinay.blogspot dot com/2014/02/bullying-ukraine.html
                  American and Israeli Zionists Behind Civil Unrest in the Ukraine
                  dailyslave dot com/american-and-israeli-zionists-behind-civil-unrest-in-ukraine/
                  US Zionist (Nuland) admits subversion of Ukraine
                  youtube dot com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=861DJLR4Cek
                  Israeli militia commander fights to protect Kiev
                  timesofisrael dot com/israeli-militia-commander-fights-to-protect-kiev/

                  Your leaders care NOTHING for the lives of your common folk. Why then do you give your leaders cover? Why make yourself an accomplice?

        • Yeahhh well. Slight difference this time around.

          STRATEGIC nukes are suicide and I would sincerely hope that everyone on Earth knows it at this point. It’s been true ever since the first nuclear power plants went up.

          TACTICAL nukes are a totally different story.

          Your million-man-army reduced to ash in roughly 3 days. Huh. Guess you’re gonna need more fat kids.

          • Hey SIXPACK:…Heres another the folk who never get it are going to tell you/Us in order to sound smart and convincing…And which Will be bought into by every non thinking person here who then is going to chime in like a group-think Cult…They will tell You/Us something like this….

            “How can it be remotely possible, for a group in usa thats total population numbers are so small they barely number 1.7 to 2%…To…Hyjack such Massive total controls of all what matters in america”?

            THEN in very Next breath/sentence the same foolish ones will then tell You/Us…”Because Yes there IS a small TINY Subset of Bad apples within that 2% group…BUT…Them bad apples Only number from Two Dozen to “Maybe” a couple Hundred evil individuals…And Thats who’s really at fault and wrecking america so badly!”

            And these type so intelligent ones somehow are totally Unable to realize that if as they claim a total of 2% population of usa citizenery is NOT capable of wrecking america…How the hell can so fewer yet as couple dozen or couple hundred bad apples of that group ever acomplish the same fuckin thing that the rest of aprox 7 million so called “good” ones are not able to do?…Hmmmmm.

            You just Know when they state such absurdities, they do it with a very Smug facial look…They are so proud to have defended the Indefensable nation wreckers.

            And several thousands years real history attests to Facts that yes indeed…They didn’t get booted from 109 Nations prior to comming here to usa, for no small reasons nor due to as they always claim…Booted out because they are always innocent of all/any wrong doings is why!..Sure it is eh….Biblically they are called by God “Stiff Necked and Stuborn” because they never willing to ever admit to doing wrongs…Amazeing how so many can be so fooled by so small a “subset” eh.

            • I’d say then, that “The Power of One” is pretty powerful when that “One” is one of the wealthiest, most influential, well-connected “Ones” on the planet. George Soros comes to mind.

              It doesn’t take a village to build a bridge—it only takes ONE carpenter with a few nails and some wood. The more nails and wood, the bigger the bridge.

              I don’t know if I’d blame everything that’s wrong with this planet on “Jews”, but it’s kinda hard to deny that many of them have their hands in the jar, right along with the rest of elites.

              They may not ALL be jews, but they are ALL CROOKED TO THE CORE.

              • Prosecute the guilty. Leave the innocent alone.

        • We have Obama’s Standing Army DHS and TSA as well….Send them. We can fend for ourselves just fine. Problem solved.

      22. In 1939, Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, six million Jews and seven million others unable to defend themselves were exterminated.
        Joe Wurzelbacher

        In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

        October 7, 2012. Vicksburg . The federal government calls them FEMA Corps. But they conjure up memories of the Hitler Youth of 1930’s Germany . Regardless of their name, the Dept of Homeland Security has just graduated its first class of 231 Homeland Youth. Kids, aged 18-24 and recruited from the President’s AmeriCorp volunteers, they represent the first wave of DHS’s youth corps, designed specifically to create a full time, paid, standing army of FEMA Youth across the country.

        It would seem they are well on their way to having our children???…

        • Agreed that the principle is sound: tyrants disarm their intended victims, but your math and history ( judaism101.proboards dot com/thread/13/holocaust-truth-set-free?page=1#scrollTo=13 ) are disputed. Whose German law translations are we to believe? Halbrook’s or Pierce’s?

          Halbrook supports your case, but he relies upon “secret” (his description, not mine) documents. JPFO sides with Halbrook, but they are just as politically tainted as Pierce.
          Gun Control in the Third Reich
          stephenhalbrook dot com/gun_control.html

          Pierce refutes your case. While Pierce is vilified for his politics, he does offer evidence that Hitler actually restored many firearms rights taken away by the previous liberal German government. Pierce uses the complete texts, in English translation and original German, of the relevant firearms laws and ordinances.

          Gun Control in Germany, 1928-1945
          William L. Pierce
          ihr-store dot com/ihrstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_8&products_id=27

          Read both sides and make your own judgment… and please… review the math too.

      23. Keep in mind that there are only 500+ that are doing this to the entire nation.

        • 500+ doing this to the World – who here wants to go on a hunting trip with Tony fk’n Montana and rid the filth that has been plaguing the Globe for Centuries?

            • Make a list. Check it twice. Know who has been naughty and who has been nice in your neck of the woods. You are responsible for the US Constitution where you live.

              The day a Rogue Administration and/or Congress outlaws the Second Amendment is the EFFECTIVE DAY they come for your guns. That is the DAY to refer to your BUCKET LIST. Start at the TOP of your bucket list and work your way down.

              The NWO can be eliminated overnight and at 500 yards. 🙂

          • Tony, I’ll supply the ammo brother. We can save on ammo as well by capturing the bastards and make them two in a row so we use only 250 +.

          • TM, Braveheart is ready and willing.

      24. “Bank Holiday” preparations begin in Greece. Lines form at Athens ATMs.


        • Direct link…

          “Earlier today, the ECB agreed to lift the ELA cap by just €1.8 billion, far less than Greek banking officials had requested and probably just barely enough to cover Friday’s withdrawals. And so, as Europe’s “Lehman Weekend” may finally be kicking off, the ATM lines are officially forming as Greeks prepare to be ‘Cyprus’d’ and as the country stares into “template” oblivion.”

          “Bank of Cyprus, Cyprus’s largest lender, is preparing for an extended bank holiday in Greece as continuing deposits outflows may force authorities to take this type of step and impose capital controls.”

      25. Goggle FRAGGING You can’t force an armed man to fight against his will.

      26. As a Desert Storm vet (read volunteer), I have always felt some form of required national service is something that had been missing from our national experience. In fact I would go as far as requiring it for citizenship (read voting rights). National Service would give our youth some investment into the something that is greater than themselves. Getting them out of the inner cities, suburban neighborhoods, and off the farms would expand their knowledge of the country and the world.
        We have enough service age men and women to place them along our southern border to stop illegal crossings. We have enough men and women to create a new Civil Conservaion Corps to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. There are many areas where our young men and women can contribute to making this country great again. If not required to preform national service most are happy smoking dope and playing videos games into their early 30’s.
        I would also stipulate that college could not be completed until national service was complete. This would require all to perform some type of service. More incentives would be provided to those volunteering for military service.

        Service to the Greater Tribe should be a demanded of all citizens!!!

        • “Heil Hitler” to you too Sir Vajj – sorry, but today’s Military has a whole different set of priorities and principles now, than what they were intended for back in the day. These 18-28 year old’s do not need to perform a service to their country. What these 18-28 year old’s need are JOBS!!!

          They would be enticed to do something productive with their lives if there was an abundance of employment that had an hourly wage that one could live on. Since our wonderful Government has completely sold out to the American populace offshoring our manufacturing base, nothing of the sort is gonna happen anytime soon.

          • TM, spot on, and I’ll go further with your comments. These kids also need to be detoxified from drugs and alcohol, need to have all their tattoos removed, and to be deprogrammed before being given any type of jobs. They need to be taught the truth about everything and given some proper guidance with the right morals and values. And I’m not so sure any of that is even feasible with these kids but that’s the only hope I see for them. Otherwise they are toast.

        • I agree. One year of TRAINING would be great for most high school grads. They would not necessarily be sent to war. They would have training if necessary to protect it.

          • Do you really believe they would be trained to protect this country?

      27. First things first. That SC shooting was a horrible evil crime. That bring said, some context:

        “Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.” (A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer’s hands.)
        – Lucius Annaeus Seneca, circa 4 BC – 65 AD

        “Blaming Newtown on guns is like blaming Chappaquiddick on the Oldsmobile.”
        – Ben Crystal, Personal Liberty News

        “Eliminate guns and they go to bombs, eliminate bombs and they move to poison or something else. Bad people are just bad people.”
        – “David,” otherwise anonymous internet poster.

        “The trigger is in the head, not the gun.”
        – Michael Howell

        “Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust their people with arms”
        – James Madison, considered the father of the US Constitution

        “[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”
        – Zacharia Johnson, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, 1788
        “During World War II, six million Swiss had guns and six million Jews did not.”
        – Author unknown

        “…sort of like the people who repeat foolish slogans like “guns kill” – as though guns sprout little feet when no one is looking and run around shooting people all by themselves.”
        – Doug Casey, financial columnist

        “If you don’t have to give up your car because others drive drunk with theirs, then why do you have to give up your gun because others commit crimes with theirs?”
        – Anonymous internet wag

        “When a crime is committed, does the gun go to jail?”
        – From

        “Let’s stop playing games. The problem is people, not guns. Our society suffers from a deficiency of personal responsibility – not from an excess of personal freedom.”
        – Star Parker, African American writer and commentator

        “The horrifying truth is this: we live now in a culture that not only does not respect life, but discards it like trash — not only at the beginning of life, but also at the end, and every place in between. What has happened to us?”
        – Catholic Deacon Greg Kandra

        “…we’re also going to make it clear that when a pig gets iced that’s a good thing, and that everyone who considers himself a revolutionary should be armed, should own a gun, should have a gun in his house.”
        – Bill Ayers, leftist activist and confidant of gun control happy Barack Obama, in A Strategy
        To Win, appearing in New Left Notes, September 12, 1969. Note: This quote is included
        both show the hypocrisy of today’s anti-gun left, as well as expose them as the
        purveyors of violence the left has always been. This in no wise implies support of Ayers,
        and in fact I am utterly against what Ayers articulates here.

        “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.'”
        | – HL Mencken

        “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”
        – Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

      28. Congress can raise an Army for two years but de-facto forced labor national service rings of communism.

        I fail to see where such a thing is possibly legal. Then again that doesn’t seem to matter in modern times.

      29. Turns out that S.C shooter was – just like with ALL the other mass shootings by young people we have seen – on mind altering drugs. No word from Obama on the “Prozac-ing” of our children. As CBS News reported (and Obama “forgot” to tell you):

        Mac’s other site noted “Since January, Roof has been arrested twice, both at the Columbiana Mall in Columbia, S.C. According to arrest records obtained CBS News investigative producer Laura Strickler, on February 28, Roof went into a Bath and Body Works store wearing all black and asked “out of the ordinary questions,” including how many associates were working, when they closed and what time they leave. … The officer noted that Roof was becoming increasingly nervous. He searched Roof and found “orange strips” that Roof said were “suboxone,” a Schedule 3 narcotic. Roof was arrested and his 2000 Hyundai Elantra was towed. A user of this drug on the web site MD Junction noted that her husband “became violent,smashing [sic] things and threatening me,” after just a few days of coming off Suboxone. Another poster at MD Junction tells the story of how his personality completely changed as a result of taking Suboxone. The person related how he became “nasty” and “violent” just weeks after beginning the drug, adding that he would “snap” and be mean to people for no reason. (Cited from )

        BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg Some other detail you may want to keep on file:

        A few days after the Sandy Hook shooting, it was reported that Adam Lanza was on a violence-linked anti-psychotic drug called Fanapt, as reported at or The Fanapt story was later retracted, but family friend of the Lanzas, Louise Tambascio, stated during an interview with 60 Minutes that “I know he was on medication and everything, but she homeschooled him at home cause he couldn’t deal with the school classes sometimes, so she just homeschooled Adam at home. And that was her life.” Tambascio also told ABC News, “I knew he was on medication, but that’s all I know.” Lanza’s old babysitter, Ryan Kraft, also went on record as stating Lanza was taking medications of this sort early as age 10. Maybe it’s time Obama had a national discussion about his cronies and lobbyists in Big Pharma, who seem to push kids into the latest drug du jour at the drop of a hat? Or doesn’t that fit his political agenda and his “never let a crisis go to waste” attitude? It is already on the labels themselves that drugs, like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, and Ritalin are causing people to commit violent acts (see where a number of reputable psychiatrists comment on this issue). Read the documentation in the drug packages, or online, yourself – it’s right there in black and white. The top ten psychiatric prescription drugs linked to violence – as listed by Time Magazine – in a Jan. 7th, 2011 article at – are the antidepressant/anti-anxiety drugs desvenlafaxine (Pristiq), venlafaxine (Effexor), fluvoxamine (Luvox), paroxetine (Paxil), fluoxetine (Prozac), sleep aid Halcion, ADHD drug Strattera, several brands of amphetamines used to treat ADHD, the anti-malarial Lariam, and the anti-smoking medication Chantix. See also Of course James Holmes in the Colorado massacre was also on psychotropic drugs, including a generic version of Zoloft called Sertraline, as well as clonazepam see or,0,6067279.story.) Yet a further analysis of the association of prescription drugs with violence and shootings, from Brandon Turbeville, is at, while internationally known psychiatrist Dr. David Healy agrees with the summary that these drugs cause violence – a Cliff Notes version of Healy’s sentiments is simply this: Psychotropic drugs “prescribed for school children cause violent behavior.” The non-Cliff Notes, detailed version of his rationale behind this may be found at Healy has a website,, that allows people to post personal experiences with SSRIs, and is a data repository open to the public.
        If anyone is wondering why the US leads in school gun murders, perhaps you might want to explore the relationship between drugging our kids and violence. Note that not only are school gun murders up, but youth suicides are up dramatically was well. This shouldn’t be surprising, of course, as both are cut from the same cloth – disinhibition, messing with brain function, disturbing the level of self-control, and more. Granting that correlation is not causation, Dr. Bertram Karon from Michigan State Univ. notes the US has six times as many children on Ritalin, around four million, as any other country, and all of France only has 8,000 kids, in total, on Ritalin, while his home city of Lansing Michigan, alone, has around that many. In fact, the US accounts for around 90% of Ritalin prescriptions in the world.

        We must fully consider the question of Todd Walker in his article, found at “Can prescription drugs cause you to kill someone?” And the answer is “Absolutely”, per Dr. David Healy, author of Phamageddon.and quoted in the paragraph above. “Violence and other potentially criminal behavior caused by prescription drugs are medicine’s best kept secret…Want to find out if the drugs you or a loved one are taking might cause violent behavior? Enter the name of the drug over at the Violence Zone. Even if it’s ‘just a pill’ to help you quit smoking, side effects can be deadly. Don’t expect to hear about this on major media outlets. Pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in keeping journalists in line.”
        David Kupelian at WND also documents a horrifying number of shootings associated with psychotropic drugs at, including not only Columbine killer Eric Harris, who was on Luvox, but also: Patrick Purdy, who killed five children and wounded 30 in 1989, who was on amitriptyline and Thorazine, Kip Kinkle, who killed his parents, and 22 other fellow students, who was on Prozac and Ritalin; the 1988 Winnetka, IL. shooting by Laurie Dann, who killed one and wounded six while taking Anafranil and lithium; the 1997 Paducah KY school shooting by Michael Carneal, who shot and killed three while on Ritalin; the 2005 Jeff Wiese shooting, which killed nine and wounded 5 on the Red Lake Indian Reservation, which occurred while Wiese was on Prozac; the 1989 shooting of 20 co-workers, killing nine, by Joseph Wesbecker in Louisville, KY, while he was on Prozac – and which Eli Lilly settled a lawsuit by survivors; a 1996 shooting of his father by Kurt Danysh while on Prozac; or the horrible case of a mother one town over from where I currently live, Naperville, IL., who killed all five of her children while on antidepressant Effexor. The case of the Virginia Tech murder of 32 people by Cho Seung-Hui may also have been prescription drug related, too, as Kupelian discusses in this article. As if further evidence were needed, the Luvox label itself states that 4% of children in one study went manic – out of control behavior.
        To what degree is the “prozac-ing” and “ritalin-ing” of our young contributing to these shootings? As noted above, these prescriptions state on their warning labels that violent behavior is one possible outcome of taking their drugs. Yet, there is nary a peep from the media. Why? Jason Charles the Truth Alliance notes “At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. There have been 109 wounded and 58 killed. Of these 14, seven were seeing either a psychiatrist (five of them) or psychologist (two of them). It is not known whether or not the other half were seeing a psychiatrist, as it has not been published.” Details of this issue are at CCHR, )
        Not to push the issue, but, as Obama has said, we must ensure a school shooting like Sandy Hook never happens again, so let’s examine some other links on gun and non-gun related violence related to psychotropic prescription drugs like Zoloft, Prozac, and the like. The list is not pretty:
        Per, “There have been 31 school shootings since Columbine, in which Eric Harris, age 17 and Dylan Klebold, age 18, killed 12 students and one teacher, and wounded 23 others. (An assault weapon ban (1994-2004) was in effect at the time – lot of good that did). Harris was known to be taking Zoloft, then Luvox. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
        A website called SSRI Stories ( )has compiled a sortable database that lists over 4800 incidents of suicide, violent crimes and other incidents between 1988 and 2011, including school shootings that involve people that were prescribed SSRI medications. Here is one more short list of a few more school shootings (see for more details) that involved SSRIs:
        • Steve Kazmierczak, age 27, inexplicably went on a shooting rampage on Feb. 15, 2008 in a Northern Illinois University Lecture Hall before taking his own life. He had been on Prozac, Xanax and Ambien, but had stopped taking Prozac a few weeks before the shootings. Toxicology reports showed traces of Xanax in his system. Five dead, 20 wounded.
        • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students in Red Lake, Minnesota on March 24, 2005. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
        • Cho-Seung-Hui, age 23, showed signs of anger before he went on a shooting rampage on the Virginia Tech campus that ended only after a police officer shot him dead. Officials said prescription medications related to the treatment of psychological problems had been found among Mr. Cho’s effects, but no details of his treatment or the medications have been released to the public. 33 dead, 17 wounded.
        • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky on Dec, 1, 1997. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded.
        Not mentioned in this article is Jared Loughner, whose aberrant psychological state has been amply chronicled, including one email by fellow student Lynda Sorensen, who emailed her friends “We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living cr** out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird.” Loughner was just a “regular’ drug user, of course.
        Of course, violence involving SSRIs does not always involve firearms:
        • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
        • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil). After five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
        • John Odgren, age 16, stabbed a 15-year-old student to death at Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School in MA on Jan. 19, 2007. Odgren was being treated for Asperger’s syndrome, a form of autism, as well as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, depression and anxiety. The defense said changes in Odgren’s clothing habits, as well as changes in his sleep and speech pattern, may have indicated a problem with his medication that could have lead to a manic, paranoid state.
        The list of incidents like the above on SSRI stories is seemingly endless and all of the circumstances are different except for one – all of them involve a mentally ill patient on some sort of SSRI medication. Some have claimed that up to 90 percent of school shootings have involved a shooter on prescription medications ( ) While that is impossible to verify without the release of medical records in all cases, enough have been confirmed to establish a link between SSRIs and violence, especially when the black box warnings on the medications mention the potential.”
        Maybe we need to ban SSRI’s to stop the slaughter? Martha Rosenburg at also cites a number of cases that would certainly support this, as does Jeanne Lenzer in the BMJ June 7, 2012 (BMJ 2012:344:e3989), which refers to a report by the Institute for Safe Medication Practices stating: “It calculated that in 2011 prescription drugs were associated with two to four million people in the US experiencing ‘serious, disabling, or fatal injuries, including 128,000 deaths.’” Have we really come full circle to the point where we now accept again Stalin’s dictum that “a single death is a tragedy, but a million is just a statistic?” That we are comparing the death of 20 innocents to 128,000 – many of whom are children –only makes Stalin’s statement slightly less apt.
        An exceedingly important article by Lawrence Hunter in Forbes, entitled Psychiatric Drugs, Not a Lack of Gun Control, Are the Common Denominator in Murderous Violence, is found at In this article, Lawrence discusses a large body of evidence from peer reviewed publications, such American Journal of Psychiatry, The Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and The Journal of Forensic Science, discussing this very issue. Lawrence also cites the article School Shooters Under the Influence of Psychiatric Drugs, found at, , which found that between “2004 and 2011, there were 12,755 reports to the U.S. FDA’s MedWatch system of psychiatric drugs causing violent side effects including: 1,231 cases of homicidal ideation/homicide, 2,795 cases of mania and 7,250 cases of aggression. Since the FDA admits that only one to ten percent of all side effects are ever reported to it, the actual occurrence of violent side effects from psychiatric drugs is certainly nine or ten times higher than the official data suggest.”
        An eight minute video on the subject is here for those who prefer a YouTube presentation on the topic . As psychiatrist Peter Breggin observes in the video: “One of the things in the past that we’ve known about depression is that it very, very rarely leads to violence. It’s only been since the advent of these new SSRI drugs that we’ve had murderers even mass murders taking these antidepressant drugs.”
        The question is this: Instead of Piers Morgan, Obama and Joe Biden taking the NRA to task, as Lawrence points out, why hasn’t the White House asked the heads of the pharmaceutical companies to the White House to discuss the issue? After all, aren’t the kids worth it?
        Lawrence concludes by asking some very perspicacious questions:
        Why aren’t there bills being introduced in Congress and state legislatures to tighten down on the indiscriminate, unmonitored use of these killer drugs?
        Why is the government still suppressing information about the shooters’ psychiatric drug use at Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech?
        Why is the government turning America into a police state in the name of protecting us against nonexistent “reefer madness” while it turns a blind eye to the real, deadly med madness created by psychiatric drugs and the uncontrollable violent rages they produce in some people?
        Could it be there is a quiet conspiracy afoot among pharmaceutical companies, the government and the gun grabbers to make Mr. and Mrs. Gun Owner of America the patsies for the violence and to blame lone-wolf violence on guns rather than psychiatric drugs?
        Could it be that power-hungry politicians and gun snatchers are out to exploit rare tragedies such as Sandy Hook and use the blood of innocent children to scare America into giving up its constitutional rights to own and bear arms and use them as a deterrent against tyranny?
        Could it be that big pharma is today’s big tobacco?
        Could it be there is an intentional effort underway in the centers of power in Washington, DC to hide the truth from the American people about the strong connection between psychiatric drugs and violence and to protect the pharmaceutical companies from civil and criminal charges for their responsibility in these heinous crimes?

        Could that be the explanation for why there continue to be lawsuits against gun manufacturers — not for defects in their products but rather for the misuse of their products by drug-addled individuals — and why there are few lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for the obvious flaws in their products, which are producing violence and mayhem?
        Could it be the Gun Control movement is simply a blind; just an effort by the triple alliance of left-fascists, big-government politicians and big-pharma prescription-drug dealers to dose and oppress the American people in the name of public safety, “officer safety” and social order?
        The fact is, the kinds of guns used by mass shooters are far less relevant than the kinds of drugs they were prescribed.
        And while on the topic of drugs, the issue of illegal drugs is also a major contributing issue to gun violence. A former police captain interviewed at Natural News, at, pulled no punches on the contributing factor of these drugs – particularly methamphetamines. Said this individual: “Most of the gun violence in our city is drug addicts raiding the homes of other drug addicts. The statistics might appear to show a lot of armed robberies and shootings, but it’s really just a small subset of homes or apartments getting raided over and over again by the same people, the drug dealers.” When I asked what the real drug problem was, he answered without hesitation. “Meth.” Not pot, not marijuana, not even heroin. Meth is the drug that drives violent crime in America’s cities.” One then ask oneself, why is it our young are turning to illegal drugs (as well as gangs)? The answer is so blatantly clear, I won’t attempt to insult your intelligence by proffering my opinion here.

        • TEST,
          that was excellent. and to add, why are the parents so blindly allowing these px. to be prescribed to their children? what is the leading cause? is it absent parenting, is it the entertainment industry, the crap food (GMO)’s they’re popping out of the microwave?
          I think to open this up is just as important as you have revealed the ‘treatment’ for such.

        • Do you really believe the name “Storm Roof”? This guy came out of nowhere.

      30. How did we get here?

        “If individuals be not influenced by moral principles; it is in vain to look for public virtue; it is, therefore, the duty of legislators to enforce, both by precept and example, the utility, as well as the necessity of a strict adherence to the rules of distributive justice.”

        —James Madison, in response to Washington’s first Inaugural address, 1789

        Now we have the wife and enabler of Mr. “Depends upon what the meaning of “is” is,” email scofflaw, and Clinton Foundation Bernie Madoff wannabe as our potential next president.

      31. National Service.

        BULL S#$t!!!! More like National; Brain Washing!!!

        I will do everything in my power to keep my grandkids from going. Obullshit, and anyone that votes for it, can go to Hell.

        Let his two little girls go to the military. Crap that won’t work, remember he is Commander and S#$thead. They would be giving the orders.

      32. I agree 100% with the antiwar voices, just say no to having any part in advancing America’s never ending lust for global control and growing corporate profits. Corporations who do not allow competition while replacing living wage jobs with low wages that cannot support life’s basic necessities, food and shelter. This whole war profit premise is severely out of whack with the present reality of millions of citizens struggling just to survive. You can see where all this is heading, planned financial collapse, war to kill millions with nukes, the perfect weapons to maintain their control. The American majority snoozed while the initial plans were implemented strategically to cover all possible outcomes. The bloodshed is nigh on our doorstep. America’s armed citizenry will be dealt with harshly. The tyrants will get their brainwashed naive recruits in massive numbers, with the same mindset of the present day police force. You think the common people have any power? I don’t see it. Even in unison, American’s who believe in freedom and justice will all be killed. That is how perverse our controllers think and act.

        • Aljamo: Spot On Brother!

          “OyVEY! Ve Knowz U No Sumptink and Ve az Vayz Ov Vindinksy Outsky! Vill take uz gunz and den ve vill givez U Ourz Antichrizt in Returnsky!,,,Derz Notink Uz kanz do stoooopid Goyimz!”

      33. War is no longer this would be a mass extinction of the human race no one excepted. Hear that
        Tptb, your included,no exceptions.

      34. I would think the Mormon Church would be concerned about this mandatory service, since it will literally wipe out all of their young missionaries and youth groups, practically over night. Instead of spreading the gospel, they’ll be forced to spread something else not so pleasant…

      35. Except it is bullshit. The military doesn’t 10s of millions of new service people. They want fewer. The military has been getting rid of people for years. What do you with that many dumbass kids? There isn’t money to train them. There aren’t weapons to outfit them. How many of those new recruits have needed skills? One in a hundred?

        • I suspect what they really want is one year to try to thoroughly brainwash these kids. For those who they cant control, well, just send them off to a foreign war that will kill them off.

      36. Obama claimed violence like this “doesn’t happen in other advanced countries” and blamed easy access to a firearm for the tragedy. Hillary – who knows a lot about guns, having come under fake sniper fire in Sarajevo, weighed in with similar bloviations. Of course, as usual, it is yet another leftist lie that this type of violence only happens in the United States is false. David Harsanyi has the numbers at :

        It take only takes some quick research to discover that rampage killers, acts of terror (as the Charleston shooting most certainly is), school attacks, spree killers are not unique to the United States. In 2011, a deranged Anders Behring Breivik killed eight people by setting off a van bomb in Oslo, before going on to murder 69 more people, mostly children, at a summer camp. This is the single worst shooting spree incident in history. Obama surely remembers that he left the White House and visited the Norwegian ambassador’s residence to offer his condolences.

        It takes only a rudimentary search to find out that mentally unstable killers can be found anywhere. In February of this year, nine people were killed in Czech Republic spree killing. In Erfurt, Germany, a couple of years ago, an expelled student murdered 13 teachers, 2 students and a policeman. That same year, in the Serbian village of Velika Ivanca, a gunman shot and killed 14 people—many of them his own relatives— and a Russia gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle killing six people. A couple of years before that, in England, a lone gunman killed 12 people and injured 11. Advanced countries or developing ones, it’s the same thing. In 2013 a mentally unstable man in Rio de Janeiro killed 12 children and seriously wounded another 12. And you might remember that China had an outbreak of mass stabbings, hammer and cleaver attacks not long ago. You don’t need guns to kill people.

        Katie Pavlich, at wrote, “Second, Martin Luther King Jr. owned a handgun precisely because of the violent racism we saw carried out on Wednesday night. Racist local police denied him the ability to carry it outside of his home, making his ability to “get his hands on a gun” more difficult. Is this something Obama and Clinton support? I would hope not.

        Third, would more gun control have prevented this horrible tragedy? The answer is no. The racist man (who I refuse to glorify by naming him) who killed nine black christian worshippers out of pure hate Wednesday didn’t legally obtain the firearm he used to carry out the massacre. Reports show that either his father gave him a .45 caliber handgun for his 21st birthday, which would have been illegal due to a previous felony charge on his record (and a felony for his father as it is illegal to purchase a gun for someone who is ineligible to do so), or that he stole his mother’s handgun to carry out his crime, another felony. Either way, gun control laws were broken but that isn’t stopping the left from taking the opportunity to push a political agenda not based on fact.”

        Dana Loesch also cites the details confirming that Roof, the killer, would have failed a background check That is, he got his guns illegally.
        Get kids off psychotropic drugs (literally EVERY single young person involved in a mass shooting others that I am aware of was on some kind of drug, generally SSRIs) and let’s try something radical, like having FATHERS in the home. We might then return to mass murder rates we saw when, ummmm…. there were not psychotropic drugs pushed on every kid, and fathers were a daily presence in children’s lives….

      37. The us census bureau for live births from 1986 to 1996 is well over 40 million. That’s one hell of a lot of people to place in service or the military. And i would guess legal immigrants as well as those given amnesty would also be expected to do mandatory service. I’m not sure the government could pull it off. If they manage to,my 4 boys will not be participating. I will do what ever it takes.
        As much as I hate what is going on there is still no other place I would like to live.

      38. With Planning and Deliberate Action..
        Children can be Born, “Off Grid”
        FACT! Ours our, truely free american citizens.

        God Bless

      39. I’ve prepared and prepped for shtf and if this shit somehow goes thro I’m bugging out boys. No way I’m ganna draft for our military. From jade helm and everything else lately I have no reason to trust our government period

      40. [“Perhaps then idiotic foreign policy decisions won’t create ISIS in the first place.”]

        to claim that the u.s. created isis is to reveal pathetic ignorance of what isis is and where it comes from. you could gain some actual factual information by reading Jesus, Jihad and Peace by Michael Youseff. If facts and evidence are of any interest.

        citizen sends

      41. Looks like I’ll be committing suicide my cop on the first group of MP’s I find! Everything that could ever happen is terrible; why are people surprised anymore?

      42. Soul,going out fighting fine,just when committing suicide by cop make sure a jim jones style,i.e.,take some with you.

      43. Hell will freeze over first. That’s all I have to say about that.

        • My children went to Catholic school. Then to private school. I will do whatever it takes to insure their safety.

        • If there is war on our soil I will send my kids away. And I would stand my ground and fight for our freedom.

      44. Of course the fascist filth controlling the evil collapsing fascist shithole of the world need their BROWN SHIRT boot licking trash to complete their total enslavement and de-population plans. The Corporatist Fascist GENOCIDAL monsters controlling the collapsing shithole of the world know their FEUDAL SYSTEM the shit stains created is collapsing, so they need the dumbed down brain dead chemically altered toxic dump youth to carry out their FINAL SOLUTION, which will be quite easy with a dumbed down COWARD PUSSY ZOMBIE population still waving that filthy vile disgusting evil Corporatist Fascist Murican flag while chanting their slave anthem with toxic fake food in their hands at their favorite “bread and circuses” sporting event. The COWARD PUSSY ZOMBIES in the fascist evil vile shithole of the world deserve everything coming the COWARD ZOMBIES way.

      45. I see a lot of people saying hide your children

        If they are in a public school system your fucked !!
        And , if you don’t enlist them , don’t matter
        This government believes you don’t own them anyways , so they will just come get them
        Let that sink in
        Another dam good reason to home school

        Just like our guns , never give them up or your kids are gone

      46. Look at the historic parallels between Germany’s and Russia’s ban of firearms and what is going on here today.

        The government wants your guns to make you “safer”? Of the 100,000,000 gun owners the other day one f*cked up individual committed an atrocity while taking psychotropic drugs. Did the gun plan for 6 months on taking innocent lives or was it the individual? Duh???

        Disarm the military, the police, foreign armies, and like the sang sais “send em’ all into space”? Duh???

        The only time I will not be carrying a firearm is when Christ return’s to set up his millennial government.

      47. It all had to go to sh*t before the individual could draw their line in the sand at their home.

        Prior to that it was working in a system to effect positive change while satan was manipulating the puppets into “The New World Order”, “One Global Government”, “One World Religion” and “One World Currency”— any of that sound familiar???

        Read the book of “Revelation” and you will see our future.

      48. What we got here is a failure to communicate
        And it seems TPAB are not listening
        Time to quit asking and start telling and demanding with enough ass to back it up

      49. If America was still America, I’d say hell yes. Serving one’s country is a noble thing…Today I’d say: Many Explicatives Deleted…NO!

      50. Those of us who are up to date on the events in Ukraine and Russian propaganda will notice that this reads like a column on Russia Today. Do not underestimate The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) machine or pro Putin journalists. Yes, they are among us so beware.

      51. Have been reading a lot of these posts. Some are right on the money like Sir Vajj, others just talk $hit like tony Montana and braveheart. Who would you want to cover your six ?

      52. Proof of the draft please. I have sons of that age. But I can drop right out of civilization. Give me proof.

      53. This recruitment / mandatory program will allow the government to continue brainwashing young adults into total commitment against the rest of us…

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