“Take That Sh*t To The Suburbs”: What To Do When Civil Unrest Comes To Your Hood

by | Aug 19, 2016 | Aftermath, Conspiracy Fact and Theory, Headline News | 520 comments

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    This article was written by Daisy Luther and originally published at The Organic Prepper.ca.

    Editor’s Comment: The programming of this astroturf unrest, patently funded by George Soros, is indeed designed to carry on to the suburbs. The whole script of these clashes is to divide white-and-black society as much as possible; the tension between police and people of color is at a head already, but will become even more vitriolic.

    What they’re doing won’t be done until the terror of mindless violence, rioting and looting has fallen randomly upon your neighborhood, or places just like them. It appears that Helter Skelter is coming at last, and will be used to make society completely dependent upon the feds to keep order. Do you see it any differently?

    Is Civil Unrest Coming to Suburbia? Rest Assured, the Media Will Lie About It

    by Daisy Luther

    Many people watching Milwaukee burn on the news from the safety of their homes in the suburbs feel immune. It seems like this only happens in big cities, right?  “These people are burning down their own neighborhoods, how ridiculous,” observers say. They feel safe in their belief that the issue is merely a war on cops, and it’s nothing that could happen to them.

    While cities like Milwaukee and Baltimore have been hard hit, keep in mind that Ferguson, Missouri is a relatively small town with a population of just over 21,000 people at the last census.

    Suburbia isn’t the safe haven many believe it to be.  And guess who is covering up the threat? That’s right. The mainstream news. It certainly wouldn’t be politically correct if they were to air the fact that the sister of the armed man shot by police in Milwaukee actually directed her fellow rioters to head to the suburbs.

    In fact, CNN did the complete opposite. They carefully edited a clip and flat out said Sherelle Smith was calling for peace. In my part of the world, they would call this kind of deception a lie, not a “mistake”.

    Wow, that’s really nice, isn’t it? Despite her loss, she wants her community to band together to end violence.  Good for her.

    Not so fast. Here’s the REAL clip.

    Did you catch that? Here ya go.

    Burnin down sh*t ain’t going to help nothin! Y’all burnin’ down sh*t we need in our community. Take that sh*t to the suburbs. Burn that sh*t down! We need our sh*t! We need our weaves. I don’t wear it. But we need it. We need our food. We need our gas. Y’all wanna hurt somebody you take that sh*t further out!

    The threat is real, and it will be coming to suburbia. If not now, soon.

    If there was ever a disaster to prep for, this is it.

    With the race war fires being fanned by the likes of billionaire George Soros, you can bet your bottom dollar this problem is not going away anytime soon. One study found “between 20 and 50 social media accounts in Baltimore that were also tied to the peak period of violence in Ferguson. While further analysis is being conducted on the data, it suggests the presence of “professional protesters” or anarchists taking advantage of Freddie Gray’s death to incite more violence.”  That’s right. People get paid to make a bad situation even worse.

    And the media will not warn you – it’s politically incorrect to state that a certain group may be headed to destroy the communities of another certain group. And if they do, you can be sure that the coverage will be slanted to say that Certain Group #1 was only defending itself against Certain Group #2 and that even though Certain Group #2 never shot anyone, they still deserve it. Reparations and all that jazz.

    The guy who wrote this article lived through the LA Riots. In the article, he predicts an enormous body count because (as we’ve seen in Baltimore) the police keep getting ordered to stand down and let people riot. In the article, Mac Young wrote, “But what can be clearly stated — and needs to be understood — is cops, unlike civilians — have rules of engagement, limits and use of force restrictions. Civilians don’t. That’s the other way bodies start stacking up.”

    Are you ready for this?

    How exactly do you get prepared for a war zone in your own neighborhood?

    The first and most important thing to remember is this: DURING CIVIL UNREST SITUATIONS, YOU ARE COMPLETELY ON YOUR OWN. Do you think the people rampaging through the suburbs because they’re angry will respect your home, your fence, or the locks on your doors?

    You have to realize that at any point in time, you could find yourself on your own, without backup from 911.

    The only person you can rely on to protect your family is yourself.

    Take a long hard look at the threats you face during civil unrest, and develop one. Wherever you live, whatever your situation, you need to plan as though 911 does not exist. Whether riots are occurring in the streets or not, in the seconds during which the lives of your family hang in the balance, you are completely on your own.

    Following is a plan for dealing with an episode of civil unrest, taken from an article I wrote during the Ferguson riots.  This plan is also applicable for societal breakdowns that occur in the aftermath of a huge disaster.

    Get home

    In a perfect world, we’d all be home, watching the chaos erupt on TV from the safety of our living rooms.  However, reality says that some of us will be at work, at school, or in the car when unrest occurs.  You need to develop a “get-home” plan for all of the members of your family, based on the most likely places that they will be.

    • Devise an efficient route for picking up the kids from school.  Be sure that anyone who might be picking up the children already has permission to do so in the school office.
    • Discuss the plan with older kids – there have been rumors that children could be moved by the schools to a secondary location in the event of a crisis.  Some families have formulated plans for their older kids to leave the school grounds in such an instance and take a designated route home or to another meeting place.
    • Keep a get-home bag in the trunk of your car in case you have to set out on foot.  (Here’s what I keep in my vehicle.)
    • Stash some supplies in the bottom of your child’s backpackwater, a snack, any tools that might be useful, and a map.  Be sure your children understand the importance of OPSEC and don’t include items that will get them suspended or arrested because of the fear-culture in our schools.
    • Find multiple routes home – map out alternative backroad ways to get home as well as directions if you must go home on foot.
    • Find hiding places along the way.  If you work or go to school a substantial distance from your home, figure out some places to lay low now, before a crisis situation.  Sometimes staying out of sight is the best way to stay safe.
    • Avoid groups of people.  It seems that the mob mentality strikes when large groups of people get together.  Often folks who would never ordinarily riot in the streets get swept up by the mass of people who are doing so.

    Keep in mind that in many civil disorder situations the authorities are to be avoided every bit as diligently as the angry mobs of looters. Who can forget the scenes of innocent people being pepper sprayed by uniformed thugs in body armor just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? And seriously, when there are rioters everywhere, it would be difficult to use discretion in the heat of the moment – everyone not in a uniform would seem like the enemy.

    Stay home

    Once you make your way home or to your bug-out location …. STAY THERE.

    By staying home, you are minimizing your risk of being caught in the midst of an angry mob or of sitting in stalled traffic while looters run amok.  In most scenarios, you will be far safer at home than you will be in any type of shelter or refuge situation. (Obviously if there is some type of chemical or natural threat in your immediate neighborhood, like a toxic leak, a flood, or a forest fire, the whole situation changes – you must use common sense before hunkering down.)

    This is when your preparedness supplies will really pay off. If you are ready for minor medical emergencies and illnesses, a grid down scenario, and a no-comm situation, you will be able to stay safely at home with your family and ride out the crisis in moderate comfort.

    Be sure you have a supply of the following:

    • Water (just in case the municipal supply lines are damaged)
    • Necessary prescription medications
    • Dry milk (you won’t want to leave to pick up a gallon of milk for the kiddos, and you may be hunkering down for a few days.)
    • Emergency food buckets and/or a well stocked pantry – you need at least a one-month supply of food for the entire family, including pets
    • tactical quality first aid kit
    • Lighting in the event of a power outage
    • Sanitation supplies (in the event that the municipal water system is unusable, this would include cleaning supplies and toilet supplies)
    • Over-the-counter medications and/or herbal remedies to treat illnesses at home
    • A diverse survival guide, a very thorough preparedness book, and a first aid manual (hard copies in case the internet and power grid are down)

    Be prepared to defend your home

    Out of all of the ways to be prepared for unrest, this is the most important one.

    Sometimes despite our best intentions, the fight comes to us.  Even though we stay home, something about our place draws the attention of an unsavory person or group.

    Defense is two-fold.  You want to stay under the radar and not draw attention to yourself.  The extent to which you strive to do this should be based on the severity of the unrest in your area. Some of the following recommendations are not necessary during an everyday grid-down scenario, but could save your life in a more extreme civil unrest scenario or a situation that has gone long-term. It’s always better to be over-prepared than under-prepared.

    The best way to win a fight is to avoid getting into that fight in the first place. Secure your home and lay low, but be prepared if trouble comes to visit.

    Here are some tips to make your home less of a target:

    • Keep all the doors and windows locked.  Secure sliding doors with a metal bar.  Consider installing decorative grid-work over a door with a large window so that it becomes difficult for someone to smash the glass and reach in to unlock the door. Install a door bar on your front and back doors.
    • Keep the curtains closed. There’s no need for people walking past to be able to see what you have or to do reconnaissance on how many people are present. If the power is out, put dark plastic over the windows. (Heavy duty garbage bags work well.)  If it’s safe to do so, go outside and check to see if any light escapes from the windows. If your home is the only one on the block that is well-lit, it is a beacon to others.
    • Keep cooking smells to a minimum, especially if there is a food shortage.  If everyone else in the neighborhood is hungry, the meat on your grill will draw people like moths to a flame.
    • Don’t answer the door.  Many home invasions start with an innocent-seeming knock at the door to gain access to your house.
    • Keep pets indoors. Sometimes criminals use an animal in distress to get a homeowner to open the door for them. Sometimes people are just mean and hurt animals for “fun”.  Either way, it’s safer for your furry friends to be inside with you.

    Fire is of enormous concern in these types of scenarios.  Fire is a cowardly attack that doesn’t require any interaction on the part of the arsonist. It flushes out the family inside, leaving you vulnerable to physical assaults.

    Be ready for the potential of fire.

    If, despite your best efforts, your property draws the attention of people with ill intent, you must be ready to defend your family and your home.

    For some, vandalizing and destroying property is the order of the day.  Often, times of civil unrest give people of a certain mentality the excuse they need to seek vengeance against those who have “more” than they do.  Tensions erupt between the “haves” and the “have-nots”.  When this occurs, often destruction of property is the way these people choose to show their “power”.

    While this starts out as purely a property crime, the situation can quickly turn violent. If someone is outside bashing the headlights of your vehicle, it isn’t a far stretch to think that they’ll bash on you if you confront them.

    How to respond to this is a very individual decision, and depends to a great extent on your personal skill levels and confidence. For example, I’m a single mom with daughters. As much as I like my Jeep, it’s unlikely that I’d confront an angry mob destroying it, because that just wouldn’t be sensible. Things can be replaced, but you and your family members cannot. If you are a person who is unaccustomed to physical confrontations, you may be better off staying inside and calling your insurance company after the fact. No possession is worth your life or the lives of your family.

    Be armed.

    Alternatively, in some situations,  the aggression won’t stop with the destruction of your property. You may have to defend your family. And for this, you MUST BE ARMED.

    I’m sure I’ll receive another barrage of email wishing me and my children dead by our own guns. (It always amazes me how people who swear vehemently that they’re against violence can send me those letters that fervently hope for bloody and terrifying deaths for us.) Some people are so terrified of self-defense tools that the very idea of using one causes veritable spasms of cognitive dissonance and denial.

    Those very same people will tell you that they’ve survived riots or unrest and never had to have a gun or shoot anyone. Chances are, you won’t have to unholster your weapon yourself. But this is a plan based on pure luck, and survival favors the prepared. I do not base my preparations for my family on the hope for good luck.

    Firearms are an equalizer. A small woman can defend herself from multiple large intruders with a firearm, if she’s had some training and knows how to use it properly. But put a kitchen knife in her hand against those same intruders, and her odds decrease exponentially.

    If the situation does escalate and the lives of you and your loved ones are in danger, there is no substitute for meeting force with force. You may not wish to engage, but sometimes there’s no time to escape. Sometimes there’s no place to escape to. In these situations, you won’t be able to talk your way out of it, hide from it, or throw dishes at the intruders to fight them off.

    • Don’t rely on 911. If the disorder is widespread, don’t depend on a call to 911 to save you – you must be prepared to save yourself.  First responders may be tied up, and in some cases, the cops are not always your friends.  In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, some officers joined in the crime sprees, and others stomped all over the 2nd Amendment and confiscated people’s legal firearms at a time when they needed them the most.
    • Be armed and keep your firearm on your person.  When the door of your home is breached, you can be pretty sure the people coming in are not there to make friendly conversation over a nice cup of tea.  Make a plan to greet them with a deterring amount of force. Be sure to keep your firearm on your person during this type of situation, because there won’t be time to go get it from your gun safe. Don’t even go to the kitchen to get a snack without it. Home invasions go down in seconds, and you have to be constantly ready. Make sure to practice drawing your weapon on a regular basis. This is no time to fumble around, and when you’re scared, you will be reliant on muscle memory.
    • Know how to use your firearm. Whatever your choice of weapon, practice, practice, practice. A weapon you don’t know how to use is more dangerous than having no weapon at all. Here’s some advice from someone who knows a lot more about weapons than I do. If you can, find an instructor that does classes at a simulation range. It’s a lot different to use your weapon moving around with threats popping up at you than it is standing at a range and firing at a stationary target.
    • Make sure your children are familiar with the rules of gun safety. Of course, it should go without saying that you will have pre-emptively taught your children the rules of gun safety so that no horrifying accidents occur. In fact, it’s my fervent hope that any child old enough to do so has been taught to safely and effectively use a firearm themselves. Knowledge is safety. My 15 year old daughter shoots regularly and is getting to be quite accurate. I have little doubt that if she was backed into a corner, she could successfully hit the target to protect herself.
    • Have a safe room established for children or other vulnerable family members. If the worst happens and your home is breached, you need to have a room into which family members can escape.  This room needs to have a heavy exterior door instead of a regular hollow core interior door. There should be communications devices in the room so that the person can call for help, as well as a reliable weapon to be used in the unlikely event that the safe room is breached. The family members should be instructed not to come out of that room FOR ANY REASON until you give them the all clear or help has arrived. You can learn more about building a safe room HERE.  Focus the tips for creating a safe room in an apartment to put it together more quickly.
    • Plan an escape route.  If the odds are against you, devise a way to get your family to safety.  Your property is not worth your life. Be wise enough to know if you’re getting into a fight that you can’t win.

    This isn’t just make-believe, action movie stuff. I’ve had an incident at my own home down a long country road, and I have never been more thankful to be armed. Just the fact that I had a gun and was clearly willing to use it meant the difference between something unspeakable occurring and nothing happening at all.

    Civilization is just a veneer.

    The foundation of acceptable behavior that our society was built on is starting to crack. What lies beneath it is uglier than most people want to imagine.

    Look at the videos of what’s going on in Milwaukee. Look at what happened during the Ferguson riots. The Baltimore riots. The Baton Rouge riots. Look at the behavior of the stampeding masses on any given Black Friday shopping extravaganza.

    Then tell me how “civilized” our country is.

    Chaos isn’t just for big cities anymore. It could be coming to a suburban location near you.


    This article was written by Daisy Luther and originally published at The Organic Prepper.ca.


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        • Wait ’till the Muslim hoards arrive En masse… Black Christian people will become good allies.

          • well now….musta’ touched a NERVE!….gotta go back to july 2nd to see THIS MANY comments.

            • I stop by every now and again, just to see how little participation by the newcomers…..but, I don’t see any. All I see is the same folks and the haters like WTF/FTW. Any coincidence their monikers mirror each other..backwards.

              It is because they are backwards thinking punks.

              When Mac allowed the Christians to be threatened and continually ridiculed, and let pc override common sense by trolls, the site has slid into a dismal following.

              With over half of all posting done by the same people, I don’t see how he can keep advertisers. The liberals and atheists ruin everything they touch.

              A quick shout out to all my old friends, eppe,braveheart,archivist and everyone that I remember as a Christian or at least a friend to us. Good news, the King is getting His army together in Heaven, and a little while past another decade….after Satan’s little desolations, we can look up for our redemption is here. Amen.

              • we USED to have 800 comments, often, as i recall…..when we still had the thumbs. comments here are STILL one of the MAIN reasons i still read shtfplan. there’s PRICELESS information buried here, even TODAY. as far as religeon, i consider myself an agnostic…i really don’t think religeon needs to be involved in the conversation. you don’t have to be religeous to be a “good” person, contrary to what many religous people claim…and i DO think mac is an equal opportunity site where ANYbody can express their opinion….and i LIKE that….that’s what freedom LOOKS LIKE, after all. come back and put in YOUR two cents…….SOMEBODY has to do it…the site is BETTER with YOU.

              • passinwiththewind

                Just had to come by and put you digs in, didn’t you.

                I bet you don’t feel like you had any part in it either.

                • I quit coming here when the comment sections turned into nothing more than 3-4 people hammering each other. There was nothing but dick-stretching, and nothing that be said to get them to rest their necks. It just wasn’t worth my time. I still don’t come back to check for replies, because they weren’t worth the effort most of the time…too much hate.

                  • Sorry sixpack, about over it myself…

                    • I gotta say, it gets very boring to have one poster gigging you for anything one posts.
                      Gets old quick…

                    • I stop by every week or two myself but nothing substantial about this place and the people posting anymore. Nothing new just the same old same old.


                    • If eppe would stop lying, and stick to the article, instead of his self indulging BS, people would not have to call him out. You eppe, need to apologize to the entire board here for lying over the years. You are noting more than a arm chair prepper and fraud. You have no BOL or Weapons and just come here to cyber squat to take your daily dump. Sixpack, he said this.

                      eppe says:
                      Comment ID: 3600179
                      August 20, 2016 at 11:10 am
                      My group was formed 20 years ago. I have the bol, the others have the weapons.

                      And he calls himself a prepper before prepping was a word and then changes his mind and was a survivalist. But then admits he has no weapons, and sold his land last year, so he really has no BOL or, he is calling his house in Suberbia his BOL which is 100% dependent on the grid.

                      What a survivalist he is. LMFAO.. fn fraud.


              • Passin, good to hear from you. If there’s a new hangout, tell me and I’ll check it out.

              • passinwiththewind, well good of you to bless us with your self-sanctified holier-than thou-baloney.
                How’s that self published book selling? Can we buy it on amazon?
                Here’s some famous passin quotes..

                “When Satan returns as the Supreme Antichrist, He will not be floating in on a cloud or a magic carpet, as some have explained. It will be in a flying craft, that shines like a gleaming white stead. His 7000 demonic angels will be along, possibly on the main spaceship, or possibly in smaller craft, but they will come.
                Rule by fear has always been the order by the spirit of antichrists.
                They were all just former shadows of the one to come. The last to come and rule on the dark side. As was with many of his predecessors, they came in “prosperously and peacefully” with a socialistic promise for the masses. A chicken in every pot.
                As it will be with the latter ruler, it all turns to shit before it ends.”

                So, according to you, we must wait at least 10 more years, then we get the gleaming white craft complete with 7000 demonic angels, but they may be on smaller craft..and then it all turns to shit before it ends.

                That sounds like a Westernized version of 7th century Muslim dogma.

                You didn’t take my advice and read about God by someone in modern times, did you? Books written 50-60 years ago would so enlighten you.
                People, try anything by Joel Goldsmith (Leave Your Nets is one of the best), Robert S. deRopp (Science and Salvation) or Philip Wylie for starters.
                Be aware, Philip Wylie will be the hard core iconoclast you may not be able to handle (“when I see you pray, I see a child writing to Santa Clause.”
                But you will learn more about the existence, yes, the existence, of God by these 3 authors, Goldsmith especially, than reading the Bible or a hundred other so called religious writings.

              • By the time I get time to look at the articles it has all been said. About the advertisers, almost 25,000 people have looked at this story!!

            • 333 last time I dropped in for a visit butt… Good on good ol’ uncle Mac.

              SHTF plan is solid.

              • Agent, right on, but IMO the counts are down because Mac has gone more current event related than PREPARING..
                Just my take on that.
                Way too much competition in that arena.

                • there’s more than enough preparing on THIS site…

                  • BCOD

                    In 80 days we will see how the election turns out and if Hillary wins. The readers and comments will drop in numbers.

                    You will be wondering what that Bi@ch is cooking up in D.C. but scared as hell to search for it on the internet or to speak out against it.

                    • that honyock is going to prison, and trump will send her there when elected…but he’s got to fight hard to keep the demon-rats from stealing the election….i STILL say he rips killary a new ASS in the debates…she can’t THINK on her feet anymore, and besides, there’s WAY too much dirt coming out about the cunt(sorry ’bout the foul language, but what OTHER word fits?)…even SOME of the hillariats will cave and vote for trump, in the end.

                      democrats are people of rare intelligence…it’s RARE when they SHOW any.

          • There have been many such studies to show how black people are inferior to white people. Well when you have a degree in actuarial science, it’s very easy to skew the numbers to fit your agenda.

            Ever see the moving Changing Places with Eddid Murphy? I guess you didn’t get the message. Your mind is already made up. Your are not open to anything different.

            The bottom line is when they come, and they will come, your sorry ass will be in the same category as the black people you hate because you are not part of the elte.

        • Once again, Acid nails it. Only, its not black people. Its not the color of their skin. Its the sick and twisted culture they seem to fall into. I know some black people. They’re not like this nor would they ever be. They shun this crap. Please, see this for what it is: culture. Its a degenerative culture. I don’t know why blacks adhere to it so much, but, there are those of other colors that do also. But, one reason that the blacks may patronize this BS is that the democrats/liberals/socialists have coerced them into a type of victim hood where they bind together. The fact is OSBLM is griping about police brutality. We see the fallacy here. They only care when its politically expedient. Only Some Black Lives Matter – They are being dis-ingenuous.

          Take my simple presidential poll. No tracking. No scripts. No ads. No cookies. Nothing but a click for a vote:


          • NetRanger and others who share his stubborn, childishly naive, pathological Utopian pursuit of the ever elusive Magic Numinous Negro – are going to get themselves and whoever is dumb enough to join them in this pursuit – killed or, at a minimum, seriously brutalized and physically damaged.

            I would to remind everyone who is either old enough to remember the Mao-Mao uprisings that occurred in Africa in the 1950s or who, as I did, have done some reading on this subject – that the biggest and most dangerous threat to the Whites in Africa came from the blacks who they had employed on their farms. Blacks who were their farmhands, house servants, and who had other jobs that gave them close access to their White employers. These Whites made the grave and often fatal mistake of believing that they could ‘trust’ these blacks, because they had treated them well and given them jobs and they naively convinced themselves that these blacks would be loyal to their White benefactors.

            Well, during the Mao-Mao uprisings, these were the blacks who crept into the bedrooms of their White employers and slit the throats of the men and then drag the women, young girls and young boys out of their beds and spend a few hours gang raping and sexually torturing these Whites before they, too, were finally murdered.

            Tip for the sane Whites in this reading community: If Netranger asks you to share his fox hole – politely tell him ‘No thanks’.

            • Tucker, the insane whites you refer to are libturds. go to the COFCC website and check their news archives for numerous stories about white females murdered by black males.

              • I assume you might be referring to what I call ‘The Amy Biehl White Suicide Syndrome’.

                Actually, I view these kinds of liberal, deracinated, do-gooder, Social Justice Warrior whites as being more dangerous and a bigger threat to my personal survival than I do the worse of the inner city ghetto blacks.

                The reason why is simple. You might let your guard down and allow a few of these White SJW creeps to get close to you, or to join your survivalist group and that puts them into a position where they could jeopardize your life or the lives of your group by lapsing into one of their seemingly endless seizures of ‘compassion’ and ‘sympathy’ for potentially dangerous ‘people of color’.
                Those lapses will result in serious vulnerabilities in your survivalist group’s OPSEC and that puts the lives of the entire group in jeopardy.

                The solution, of course, is to weed these SJW threats out and do NOT allow anyone into your group who has had a history of expressing these kinds of suicidal tendencies.

                • Tucker.

                  Something to think about for sure. This is a subject that can bring great scorn upon you by some who come here.

            • Tucker’s father gets a great deal on what turns out to be a stolen car. He may not have know it was stolen but was given signs that something wasn’t quite right. Didn’t care because it was a great deal.

              Passes it on to Tucker who passes it on to his son. Low and behold, somehow the police find out and arrests the Grandson for possesion of stolen property. Tucker is up in arms as the car was paid for with hard earned cash. Doesn’t matter that someone suffered at the hands of the thieves. It’s your because you paid for it.

              Not the best analogy but….

              Those white africans were on stolen land. Paying people to work the land doesn’t excuse the theft. I don’t condone killing and two wrongs don’t make it right, but the truth of the matter is they should not have been there.

          • Net Ranger

            I checked it out…
            You need to go back and add
            “None of the above”

            Then I’ll be able to “vote” also. 😉

            Y’all play nice now.

          • Cool. Thanks.

        • Partially true. The truth is that WHITE Liberals are perpetuating these events. The Blacks involved are usually LOW EDUCATION and POVERTY addicted. Their White Slave Masters are White Upper Class Liberals.

          Fortunately we have both White and Black that are well educated and reasonable but THEY will not be the ones in the streets doing all of the destruction.

          When the time comes be prepared to shoot at either group but the ones that will be banging on your door are their Black Slaves. Their white masters will be at home laughing and celebrating.

        • LMFAO I don’t think you need any help with that.

        • LMFAO.

          Acid, I don’t think you need any help with that.

        • Honestly!

          I’m so sick of the racist BS and implications in these comments! There are no good people of all races, religions and types as the comments prove. And if you don’t think Black people patronize this site, then you are VERY WRONG!

          People are always talking about Muslims this, Blacks that, etc, but then turn around perpetuate the same hatred and backwards thinking which creates the conditions for these incidents in the first place. Why not try thinking for YOURSELVES instead of letting the media think for you. Case in point. Baltimore. I live in Baltimore City in the downtown area and can tell you the “riots” were literally contained to a mile or two in the ghetto areas with small spontaneous incidents here and there. No one else besides the people who live in those neighborhoods were affected. It was fear driven by 24 hour coverage that created more impact than anything else. Not only that, youfolks act like the government never introduced agitators and LEO into political movements to discredit them. Please read a book or learn history…good grief!

          I guess it feels more effective, more MANLY to come on a site and rail against people you’ll never meet, than actually get off your butts and deal with the real problems in this country such as globalization that’s gutted local economies, monoculture by huge corporations on our food supply or how our rights as American citizens are being stripped away. Or the fact that the Kar-trashians, Bruce “Caitlyn” Jenner and all kinds of filth is being peddled to our children. And who’s doing all of this erosion? Who has the power to create these changes in our lives? People who look like YOU! But do you challenge your politicians? Do you hold local business and elected offcials accountable for their decisions? NOPE!

          Trust me, skin folks aren’t always kin folks, and will deceive, steal and harm you too. Who urges you to vote for them to protect you against the black and brown people who actually DON’T have the economic, political or military power to enforce anything? Other white people! Meanwhile, those policies and hidden deals benefit them and hurt YOU! But you’re so busy obsessing about black thugs and Muslim women (while living in the middle of Idaho or something…), you don’t see the wizard behind the curtain. But stop being sheep and start looking at the real issues, who’s really ruining our country and check people’s character and agenda before you care about their skin color. That’s what truly intelligent, free thinking, independant people would do.

          That said, I and other BLACK PEOPLE like me, are very dedicated preppers, along with people of other colors in my neighborhood. I’m so lucky that we have several Coasties, a fireman and med students on my block. This website has been invaluable in helping me refine my plans, and gather the correct resources.

          During the “riot”, while I knew the disorder was pretty contained, was still on alert for opportunistic crime or when to bug out. I’m always ready to bug out so never had to “get ready” for anything per se. The biggest thing for me, was just putting all of my practice into motion. I truly believe the riot was used as an exercise for Maryland LEO in imposing martial law, which started as a resident curfew. The lesson is curfews and martial law are always two seconds behind fear, whether city or suburbs.

          • When it comes to the slander against muslims on this site, you are SOOOO right, PBT. Hell,even the French are getting into the act. Check out this story about a brutal murder committed by a Frenchman.
            ht tps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/24/british-woman-allegedly-stabbed-to-death-by-frenchman-at-australian-backpackers-hostel

            • Good point! Europeans are wasting time worrying about some woman’s burkini rather than the fact the UK has left the EU, Greece is a disaster and disaffected EU citizens are being recruited to perform terrorist acts.

              The US is just as bad. Racist or paranoid preppers assume minorities would have the time or inclination in these scenarios to target them or that other whites -their neighbors-won’t if they get desperate too. Get off the internet or TV and spend time prepping or getting involved politically in a constructive way. Like I said above, the fact is 1% whites look down on everyone in the same way they look down on minorities and are driving us ALL off the SHTF cliff with greed and distain. Poor and middle class whites are easily pushed to vote and act on things which don’t benefit them because blacks (13-15% of the population) are used as a boogie man. Honestly, do these folks even really know any black or brown people personally? Meanwhile jobs are outsourced overseas, or foreign workers on visas are given jobs over citizens, citizens are spied on regularly for no reason, people can’t afford to be sick and taxes are ridiculous while corporations enjoy tax breaks, grants and easy loans.

              And folks really think 10 miles or hiding in the woods will protect you from the world? Get real. It will delay the world, but not stop reality. The best prep is proactively working to prevent the conditions (racism, economic collapse, stupid foreign policy, environmental issues, agricultural corporatization, unfair business practices, etc) that will trigger most SHTF in the first place!

            • I understand what you’re saying Leonard! That poor girl didn’t do deserve what happened to her. But you can’t use that nut job as a reason to suspect every Muslim. Side note: everyone who claims to be Muslim may not be, it just may be easier to claim then if you’re just crazy or evil. Again, media is suspect in my book, especially after I saw how media framed the Baltimore “riots” first hand. If everyone went by group reasoning, they’d assume all white male teens are crazy drug addicts or drunks who rape unconscious women, kill their parents or eat their neighbor’s faces.

              My point isn’t that Muslims don’t do awful things. My point is EVERY group is awful and does their share of evil to each other. No one wants honest discussion AND action about money, power and race or religion because no one wants to feel guilty, be held responsible to act or to make amends if needed…called being accountable and proactive about problems. It’s cheaper and more expedient to let everyone suspect or kill each other. It’s
              a bigger question than this site but totally related to how and why SHTF scenarios will unfold.

              • Never meant to suggest that all muslims do “…awful things…”. Just as nothing Hitler did while running the Third Reich violated any German laws (conveniently changed by him), the average muslim doesn’t do anything not required of him/her according to the quran. To wit:
                Surah 4:89 -“Those who reject Islam must be killed. If they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them…”
                Surah 8:12: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
                Surah 8:65: O Messenger, rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
                Surah 9:5: When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.
                Surah 9:29 Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled.
                Surah 9:73: O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
                Surah 9:123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
                Surah 9:124: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
                Surah 47:4: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance).
                Surah 2:91 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
                Surah 4:76 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. –
                Koran 5:33: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter .
                Hadith Sahih Bukhari, No. 1775:“When you enter any village (or community) and stay in it, you will have a share in it. Any village (or community) which its people disobey Allah and His Messenger, the one fifth (20%) of its lands will be fore Allah and His Messenger and then will be for you .”
                And, my personal favorite:
                5:12 Allah made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel and We raised among them twelve chieftains, and Allah said: Lo! I am with you. If ye establish worship and pay the poor-due, and believe in My messengers and support them, and lend unto Allah a kindly loan, surely I shall remit your sins, and surely I shall bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow. Whoso among you disbelieveth after this will go astray from a plain road.
                Guess Allah’s a little short of cash…
                Peace, love and flowers in your hair (inshallah)…

      2. Great information! Daisy does a great job of putting these points together.

        Take my presidential poll. Click on my name or go to ht_tp://www.netranger.org/poll and tell us who you’re voting for. I’m tired of all the lies.

        • “Suburbia isn’t the safe haven many believe it to be.”

          That depends upon your suburb. Mine is filled with an abundance of combat vets, who are armed and know how to use their weapons.

          It’s also 96% white and the vast majority are Christian. 🙂

          • Be there to get there. 🙂

          • DK

            My neighborhood is the same demographically. Normandy, The Bulge, Inchon, they have some serious experience. The younger fellas were at I Drang and Khe Sanh.

            Its a Florida thing.

            • My neighborhood can be Ground Zero for SHTF episode. Hahahaha!

            • Yes, but those guys must be at least 80-85 years old; nothing to lose, but physically depleted. 🙁

        • Agreed.
          I think emphasizing as violence apreads towards rural areas expect more arsonist or scorched earth tactics.
          A few years ago an article surrounding Rural China had similar issues to start filling those empty cities.

        • It’d be almost humorous to see the city dwelling thugs come out rampaging near where I live. They’d all wind up dead for their stupidity no matter how many weapons they brought with them.

          • STFU stupid animal since you are just a worthless slob, obese, feminized, dependant on prescribed medications to control the countless diseases you carry, in constant need of OTC medicines to fight a simple cold, and extremely addicted to synthetic vitamins…look at yourself in the mirror stupid brute, and realize that you are the offspring of failed generations (blame the states involved in eugenics during the early decades of the 20th Century for not strictly enforcing the sterilization laws on your ancestors) and worst of all, the chances that your descendants’ DNA carrying a more complex sequence of these failed genes are 100% guaranteed (a race of subhumans that represent a true insult to humanity).

            • Is that the best you have? You have obviously never seen me. If you ever were to see me, I’d be the one fixing to blow your fucking brains out, klaus.

            • Klaus MERTZOLFF? Sounds like a member of that disgusting ‘tribe’. He can go f#$% himself and I wouldn’t have any trouble taking him out.

            • I rest my case…too much hatred.

            • I’m all for shipping all the Black to Israel, since that Tribe loves the Blacks so much, that Jews like George Soros will donate $100 Million dollars to Black lives matter. If the Jews love the blacks so much, you can have them. All of them, we will ship containers to Israel full of blacks, since you love them so much. I am sure they will assimilate right into your white culture and date your white women, create some really nice Black Jewish babies, and play basket ball for your entertainment, and share bathrooms with no sexual barriers. What do you think Israel?,.. if it is so good for us, you take them in and make them your own, in your own country. Lead by example…


          • Same in my neighborhood. We have retired law enforcement that are home most of the time and many hunters. The punks would never see their families again. If the rule of law has broken down, the dead punks will be burned to dispose of the bodies before they start to rot and pose a health problem.

            We mind our own business and don’t want to hurt any one, but if forced to do so to protect our families, then we will do what we have to do.

            • Yes indeed.

          • Overconfidence leads to self destruction.
            There is a reason Castles are no longer built. Castles don’t work.
            They are easy to destroy or take with artillery and air assets.

            ANY fortified position can be taken by hostiles. If they can find it.
            Just a matter of the tools at hand, resources, motivation, numbers against you.

            Don’t die for preps or dirt under foot. Give up ground in order to live.
            There is other dirt. Or sometimes Ground can be retaken. Don’t marry dirt.

            If you appear to have NOTHING people leave you alone in poor times.
            Only the Police and Gooberment mess with poor people. Because Poor are easy targets of opportunity for Police. Poor don’t Lawyer up and fight BS. They are just robbed by Gooberment and sent to jail quietly.

            Even thugs mostly leave poor folk alone. Some thugs even help poor in own neighborhood/area of operations. “Friendlies” offer security against “the Man”.
            Us against them mentality.

            Bottom line: Keep these in mind in crises
            -Light discipline
            -Cooking/Smell discipline
            -Be still. Stay quite. Be unnoticed. Movement is bad idea after things spin up.
            If you wanna leave better do it quick within MINUTES of event. Get where you wanna be quick. Before reality settles in for masses. Otherwise too late.
            -Don’t be an idiot and all battle rattle geared up. Someone will take your toys after they put a rock through your skull the ONE moment you are caught snoozing.

            **************Don’t appear to have anything anyone would want or could use.

            Macho Hero bullshit gets you killed quick. Seen it Time after Time.
            That is when I quit being that way and became HUMBLE-Invisible-Quiet in all things.

            Except I shoot my mouth off against the TYRANNICAL CRIMINAL TRAITORS that now run the USSA “Changed Amerikka” under UN-NWO-Collectivist Communism.
            Because I know that eventually there will be GENOCIDE by Gooberment.
            Only a matter of time. Read about every other communist take over. Always Genocide. Always death.

            Venezuela in Amerikka is Goal of these TRAITORS currently in office.
            I speak while I can.
            Internet will shut down/lock down soon. Tyrants don’t like free speech or peasants coming together with pitch forks.

            Ponzi scheme Robbing their own:

            In few months Internet goes to International control.
            Speak while you can.

            • Overconfidence is believing we could withstand attack from military units. I am not talking about military units, I’m speaking of thugs that like to burn and loot and prey on the weak. Yes, if a hundred came here I could kill them all. They won’t see the walls.

            • Castles slow down intruders. Knuckle dragging pavement apes do not have air support or artillery. They have spears and rocks. As they try to climb the walls pour boiling grease on them just like in Medevil times. My BOL has a natural moat on 3 sides, freshwater filled with gators and snakes and miles of swamp beyond that. Blacks hate water or boats, so that only leaves one land side to have to protect. Thus my 350 ft of multistrand barbed wire fence and thickets of briar patch pricker hedges and 2 locked gates. If all YOU have is a thin front door and a dead bolt between you and the public street, shame on you. You will probably become an up coming statistic. Life is full of daily choices. Start making smart choices. Becase every choice you made got you to where you are today.

              -WWTI… Get the hell out of the cities. Thats a no brainer.

            • Pretending to be poor is a really good idea even in good times…who wants to rob somebody who drives a nice car? Maybe some, but chances are, the person with the good-looking car is more likely to be the target rather than the person who drives the beater.

          • Excellent article Daisy!

            • NWO-UN-Bankster Plan:
              –Turn World against America. get Russia-China to FIRST STRIKE nuke America.
              –Turn American against American.
              –Turn blacks against white. White against black.
              –Turn police against their own people. Have FOREIGN NATIONALS as Police.
              –Have a weak puppet poser TRAITOR Obummer president to weaken and destroy America.
              –Turn Muslim, Jew, Christian, Pagan, all against one another. Blame each other.
              –Have total world wide economic meltdown.
              ——————————————-Have NUCLEAR World War III.

              Looks like their plan is right on schedule.
              Can we the people Impeach-Arrest-STOP the madmen TRAITORS from full implementation of their above Plan?

              Leave the blast zone while still possible.

        • Net ranger
          Your poll will be skewed worse than regular polls. You want to poll one small segment… preppers who eat a constant diet of fear porn. Right or wrong, it is a small voter base. 2012 polls predicted Romney’s loss and right wing said it was bogus. Not.
          keep in mind that the only stolen election was Bush’s.

          • Rebecca, where is your evidence that the election was stolen?

          • Ha ha ha good one, Rebecca. DemocRATS steal elections very two years. Does Al Franken
            ring a bell? He entered the Senate via a stolen election. How about John F. Kennedy in 1960? Do your research you’ll find numerous other elections stolen by DemocRATS.

            • Rebecca will not answer your questions/comments, especially now that you’ve pointed out her inaccuracies.

      3. Thanks Mac.
        Good one Daisy.
        Give credit where credit is due and I have to say this is an excellent article. To the point on what can happen and what to do.

        For those that desire the exotic preps both defensive and offensive, you will have to dig in the SHTF achieves for that information. If you were not paying attention.

        • You Loot, We Shoot!! Kill every one of these Soros funded Chimps.


          • BTW/ The Ku Klux Klan was damn spot on that the Jews and Blacks were destroying America.

            But the jew press demonized them as a hate group. SO WHO REALLY HATES AMERICA NOW?
            So after 60 years fast forward, the results are in. We got the Jews funding the pavement apes, burning America to the ground and getting away with it.

            Wanna reset time and have a do over? We may only have one last chance if America is to survive. Lets get it right this time.

            These bastard are bringing war to the streets of America, its time to bring the war back to them. Hit back where it hurts them.

            -WWTI… Lets Make America Great Again.

        • I like the article Daisy wrote for personal defense and prep. I have a different take on what to do. As and old ‘nam guy I have discussed this topic with those coming back from the middle east that had urban warfare training.

          One item they said over and over again was planning for urban attacks was needed at the subdivision level day one. They all believed fighting individually would be a disaster.

          They said start first by making a command center where multiple groups report back intelligence to the center. Next anyone walking on patrol around homes would have to have a colored (say red) arm band as part of the sub’s security. One guy joked “…without that band you would end up killing half your neighbors in panic…”

          Next control access and traffic into and out of the subdivision. For example build a street access checkpoint/barricade system for subdivision access (armed people with red arm bands control) to streets with your neighbors to keep fast moving vehicles from doing hit and run attacks. To build the barricades one guy joked he would go to his elementary school and rip all the bike racks out to build street barricades that could be easily moved around. People who belong and enter in the sub would be given red arm bands and told to go to their homes and stay there.

          The next item these guys mentioned was to make multiple pickup trucks into tactical mobile vehicles that could quickly move from one end of the sub to the other to engage attackers. The pickup would have a small squad in the truck bed engaging in quick fire fights and have a supply of fire extinguishers to out fires.

          This kind of subdivision defense made more sense to me than arming every home owner and letting them shoot willey nilley at every threat.








        • Ever kill anyone bubba? No? Then STFU! CAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW SH1T!

          • Qwerty, I have to agree on that one. When me and mine are threatened, all bets will be off. Game on!

          • Killing people is not going to be a problem. It is what to do afterwards is the problem.

            Call police?
            Dig a hole?
            Get Zimmermaned?

            Can’t trust the police not to persecute you. Can’t trust the community not to protest and riot.

            Best play is to dig a hole and shut the fuck up.

        • I agree AE. But that said, if it comes down to my life threatened, my family, and property, all bets are off. While I am retired AF, I did get to shoot, and it is fact that the “human” targets you shoot at are designed to put you in the mind frame that a person is just another target. Most are keyboard warriors, and I’m not gonna be the guy that goes out and starts the shit. If it comes to me however, that is another story. I and almost everyone I know think the wheels are going to fall off the cart, and surviving will be a task. Americans as a whole are dumb as shit, and as long as “American Idol” or whatever other useless drivel is on the tube, they are uninformed and not prepared to kill an ant with a can of ant killer.

        • ACID; better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it. Rant on man…many people in a situation will sooner or later use that weapon to defend themselves/family. Nobody wants to……

        • Not sure of where your info comes from Mr. acid etch?

          Off your point a little but will get there via Kansas City…
          Guns are not dangerous.
          Chain saws are More dangerous than guns.
          Axes and knives are More dangerous than guns.
          My house is More dangerous than guns. Messed myself up major by falling on ass and face. Both ends. Have two neighbors jacked up now. Not guns, just around the house mishaps.

          So to the Nanny’s saying guns dangerous. Your daily use tools and your home are more likely to jack you up than are guns, robbers, terrorist, etc.

          Now to your point Mr acid.
          People are Dangerous.
          People are Deadly.
          People are stupid. Especially when a little booze, jealousy, envy, greed, are added to the mix.
          People will kill without ANY excuse or much provocation.
          Especially in lower economic areas and among those populations.

          When the EBT cards stop working.
          When people have not eaten in two weeks.
          “God help you.”
          People will become BEASTS. People are dangerous.
          No matter the amount of ammo you have. It will not be enough.
          There will be more of them than you. They will over run your position.

          But yes you Mr acid will likely take quite a few beasts to hell with you.













        • Stop screaming. Lol. Being killed messes you up way more than killing. After you have killed once, it gets easier. In fact its like hunting. And you dont need a license. Open season for the taking. I would add I am not a big believer in Safe Rooms, unless it has a hidden exterior escape tunnel or hatch. Once the bandets set your house on fire to burn you out, saferooms are death traps. It all comes down to the basics of fight or flight. I have seen a lot of death in various ways working on an ambulance. Death is no big deal. BS hoaxes like Religion teaches fear and emotional waekness. Killung is no different than picking an apple from a tree or cutting up a chicken to BBQ on the grill. The weak fear death, and morne. Death is just a transitional state and unavoidable as nobody lives forever. So as long as you wake up on the top side of the dirt you better fight your ass off to live another day. Have a high power battle rifle with lots of large capicity magazines and get your own BOL to set up the battleground on your terms, funnelpoints, snares traps early warning signals like rocks in tin cans on your fence line and wear a side arm always and scatter your battle rifles for easy access. I would not morne one bit killing a trespasser trying to rip me off or kill me. Grow some balls and prepare to fight. Training reduces fear. You still have fear? Then train until you have no fear. It then becomes 2nd nature and automatic responses become normal. You only have 2 choices. Kill or be killed.


        • Acid, you are absolutely right. I have said this before. Taking a life takes something from you that you will never get back. I do not talk about what I’ve done, what I know or what I have. You can see on this board, the people who are full of shit and the very few who really understand how ugly things can and will get. You can see who has lived thru some really harsh shit and those who have keyboard fantasies. Despite what some say about you, I have always, even if I don’t agree with you, respected your candor. I get so irritated with some of these fucking shit talking keyboard bad asses it makes me wanna stick my fist in their throat. I hope you don’t mind a boomer thinkin you’re ok, even if you’re wrong about us. You’re a tough kid.
          Stay quiet Be smart

          • I worked wit ha medic who was in the airborne during Vietnam,he has no problems.And I might add he’s a very nice guy and someone who I respect a lot.

        • Bullshit,some jackass is going to try and put his boot on my neck and I will have a problem killing him and will be fucked up for life ? Hahha you’re delusional,this isn’t Vietnam this is the future of my family,I’ll be as cruel as they come and won’t sweat it one bit because I know what they’re up to.

      5. Spot on here…

        “Fire is of enormous concern in these types of scenarios.”

        Arson, creating neighborhoods ablaze, will be the goal of some and will affect many if rampaging comes to the suburbs.

        They don’t need to even bring their own fuel, it’s available in 5 gallon dispensers in most every, easy to break into, garage in the suburbs.

        What they can’t loot, they will often set ablaze so nobody can have it, count on it, prepare for it.

        Firefight then will be less about armed confrontations then.

        – Shane

        • Just to add..

          These surging and rampaging mobs aren’t going to pause to engage in any long drawn out firefights with well armed homeowners, they’ll just quickly move onto easier pickings of loot, rape and mayhem whenever resistance encountered.

          However, given the opportunity and there will be plenty, as a revenge parting gift, they’ll also try hard to leave the place ablaze before they do.

          This could be with Molotov’s through any windows or the often easier to break into attached garage or backyard out building with it’s 5 gallons of lawnmower gas waiting to be spread all about. Or, even safer for them, without risking breaking in there, taking another neighbors gas can and spreading it all over whatever side of house is windowless and largely unprotected from inside.

          You need to walk around your house with an eye towards evaluating vulnerabilities and required protective actions for both kinds of firefights.

          – Shane

          • Shane

            Ever consider what is in the smoke?

            What are you inhaling when the smoke engulfs your body?

            Petrol chemicals and insecticides. Acidic smells from plastics. Burning of the eyes, nose and throat are warnings. Skin rashes and in some case inflammation.

            Black smoke is chemical/ petrol. White smoke is wood.
            Bright flashes is metal/ combustible powders.

            How about a 250 gal propane tank blevy.

            • Tanks dont BLEVY unless there is extreme, constant heat. Roughly think how long it takes to boil water and how long that takes. Put that water in a pressure cooker and then see how long. If the overpressure valve is blocked it happens much faster. Shooting a tank basically creates a pressure relief point. No good if it ignites next to your house, or bleeds off highly flammable gas for sure. But movies get out of control with the one shot explosion idea.

              • BLEVY – Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion. Most common in train wrecks when cylinder cars collide with each other. Common folks, just get really far away from this soon to be disaster. For when the liquid heats up in the container, well beyond the vapor escaping or burning, the pressure builds then explodes.

                Most common firefighting tactics is to keep water sprayed on the tank to keep it cool, or using foam also, but keep letting the flame burn the liquid squirting out the impact hole. To create one, use Green tips penetrators, followed with tracer fire to ignite the escaping gas. I could see someone sitting on a hill top popping .50 Cal rounds at gasoline tankers driving down the highway, close to a bridge, to close the highway traffic in al directions. Wait till SHTF and all the Goblins will come out of their hidey holes to play.

                That’s why its smart to already have bugged out to a safe and secure location.


              • B oiling
                L iquid
                E xpanding
                V apor
                E xplosion


                A boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion (BLEVE) is an explosion caused by the rupture of a vessel containing a pressurized liquid above its boiling point.

                • Didn’t expect to see BLEVE mentioned, haven’t heard that term in years.

                  Bet you guys seen the Mexico City film too. Watched it every year in annual Oil Refining Operations Fire Training. Piper Alpha too; both are epic training films on what not to do.

                  • Waverly, TN

                    The Waverly tank car explosion was an explosion that occurred at approximately 2:58 p.m. on Friday, February 24, 1978, in Waverly, Tennessee, following a train derailment incident days earlier. Wikipedia
                    Date: February 24, 1978
                    Deaths: 16
                    Country: United States of America
                    Operator: Louisville and Nashville Railroad
                    Passenger count: 0
                    Injury: 43
                    Trains: 1

                    we lost a friend

                    • I’m on the ERT team at work and through training have seen several BLEVE’s on film,quite impressive.I was trained by the rajun cajun,I guess the guy had quite a reputation.He had a friend die in a NH3 leak that caught on fire,they tried to duplicate it but couldn’t.

                    • grandee, I saw a lot of those BLEVE films when in training for the fire dept. Also beware to never approach a vehicle fire from the rear where the gas tank is located, and when the tires are on fire. One guy on the dept did and he was scarred big time for life. He was moved to a desk job.


            • Yeah I had a gas safety class and asked the instructor what would happen if someone put a bullet through the bis ass H2 tank in front of our company and he said nothing.I do have personal experience with H2 and O2 leak and 500 deg C temp in and enclosed space and it’s a big ass explosion.

          • We are going to try to excel at making the place look like we are living in Early American Poverty, in the hopes they’ll just keep going (it’s even going to have broken windows, “junk in the yard” (places for ME to make use of if needed for ‘cover’), and it will appear to have been burnt (lots of black crud will be on the broken windows and walls above them …very, very convincing). If not, a .308 will drop them where they stand.

            *The best reloader is the one who is scared shitless. If you are in a sinking boat, give the bailing-bucket to the guy who can’t swim. He’ll be the fastest at it.

        • Better check your property Insurance policies to see if it covers riots, civil unrest and terrorism. Many dont. My buddy bought an extra rider to cover, looting and arson for his in the city- Building Materials Supply Warehouse. Millions of dollars could go up in flames. Or get the hell out of the areas with pavement apes.


        • Suburban households tend to have more relaxed gun laws than large cities, I suspect more arsonists will be found dead with their lit cocktails in their hands.

          I remember seeing Asians on top of their business’s roof with rifles or shot guns during a riot a few years ago. Their business was not touched.

          When blacks go on a rampage, it’s generally not about a black getting killed like peaceful demonstrators advocate, it is about “hate those who have more than they got” and “looting to get more than they got”. I heard a reporter call it going “Tribal”. I call it going “Neanderthal” because when they hit the wrong places, it will cause their extinction.

      6. Anyone care to discuss ROE and weapon/caliber in a riot/home defense sitiation?

        • ROE?

          • Rules Of Engagement

            there are none .. kill the fuckers dead.. thats the rules

            gig is up

            • just remind yourself who broke the law that created a situation for you to deal with their criminal act

              when in this situation ROE is out the window, you dont have time to worry about “rules”

              if you do, yer already dead

              • “We be needn our weaves”. I got news for you soul sister, I be’s have’n that weave off’n yo haid with just a little knife work. And as far as ROE goes, if I’m winning, I’m doing right.

                • And I got news for anyone skulking ’round my place…. I got plenty (miles and miles) of tidal marsh ’round where I live. They’ll never find you. But the crabs, possums, and the rest of the critters who roam the marshes will.

                  • I live in the suburbs and if hell comes to visit us, I have neighbors’s, along with my family armed, ready and know how to use them.

                  • Yeah PO’d , I got thousands of acres of cedar swamps.
                    NOBODY comes outta there , lmao , even the Elk get lost .

                    • Sounds like Louisiana Swamps to me. Unless we have ‘road wanderers’ folks would have to ‘stumble upon’ us coming through “impossible to get through” National Forest (and we’re backed up to thousands of acres of it). I’d rather it was private, but with our setup and life-expectancy (near as I can expect), it’ll do.

                  • PO’d P, that stupid little jezebel won’t come near me if she wants to live.

                  • Us rednecks throw the bodies in the hog pen. The hogs eat 100% of it including the bones. No trace and no evidence !!!

                    911 don’t exist for rednecks. Fu*k with rednecks and you’ll be darn sorry!

              • BIG YUP!!! if you don’t know by now that it will be YOU or them, then you are NOT mentally prepared for what is coming!! and there are some things you could do to TRY to prep your mind, if you think you will have a heard time dealing with it!!

                • “HARD” time not heard, stupid auto spell!

              • I have no problem killing a looter, by ROE I’m curious would you be confident in engaging under the castle doctrine laws. In a riot would u engage the enemy when looters enter your neighborhood street with 5.56? Wait till the front yard is invaded and deploy 12 gauge with 00 buck? Or your front door with a 1911 for an example? I know better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 but I’m just curious how we all picture the scenario. I live in a top-floor urban loft apartment in a major city in Texas so my scenario is far different from the subdivision suburban dweller.

                • If he’s on my property and I don’t know him, my first round will kick the dust up around his feet (that’ll be his one and only freebie) If he’s armed and keeps coming after that I’m gonna do my best to cut him in half. THEN I’ll return to the supper table and finish my meal.

                  • warning shots at MY place will be sent down-range, center-mass…call your local fire extinguisher servicing place to see if they got any used ones. i bought 13 of them(5 and 10 pounders) for 130 bucks a while back…cheap insurance when they start throwing molotovs on yer place….

                    • BCOD

                      We all have a good idea of what a riot looks like. Where people are performing acts of violence and where they are trespassing. Then you have to determine the level of force to apply to protect yourself and that is different for each of us.
                      There could be people running from danger in the streets and you have to consider this. What is done in daylight you can determine but at night is another story. Sneaking around a persons property at night could get you killed. Especially if there is a burning building close by with gun shots in the air.

                      We don’t know for sure what we will do until we get there. We have a good idea though.

                • Mclovin

                  My first line of defense is detection by using Binoculars, motion detectors, night vision and being alert.

                  Second layer is to snare/entangle. By use of barbed wire or Billy Bob barbed wire.(fish hooks with steel leaders)

                  Third layer to disable. Things that cut or puncture.

                  Last layer. To dispatch with overwhelming force.

                  Catching a treble fishhook in the face or a nail in the foot could discourage many.

                • But in your situation Mclovin I’d have the .45 on my hip/cocked and locked position, with a mix of one ounce Winchester slugs and low recoil (Ranger) buckshot. They ain’t gonna want to buck nobody with a shotgun. My shotgun is a modified 870 I have a side saddle 4 shell holder that is attached to the receiver. I’ve had the receiver tapped and mounted a rail for a red dot Aimpoint T-1. I’ve put a two round extension tube on the magazine and has a mix of slugs and buckshot. I have no problems shooting through doors, walls nor windows if that’s what it takes. But you might not be able to do that. The .45 is for when they get in real close, too close to wield a shotgun. Get a good sling for the shotgun. Mine is one that utilizes “mash” hooks on both ends (I changed the wood stock on the shotgun for a Magpul with a raised comb for the T-1.) And last but not least, get yourself a good blade.

                  • THanks Anon and PO’D! The funny think about the city I live in (I won’t tell you which one but lets just say JR Ewing would be a hint) The thugs don’t ever cross north of downtown when they protest/riot/etc. The closest yuppie area isnt more than 1 mile away or so but they never go past any of the skyline area. It’s almost like downtown might as well be the Rockies.

                  • PO’d P, I’ll have my Mossberg 590A1 loaded with 00 buck and I’ll have a bandolier with 50 assorted types of shells. I put a laser sight on it which should add a nice psychological effect. Has a telescoping stock on it. I need to add a sling and I think I’ll try out the one you mentioned.

                    • Braveheart, check out “Blueforce Gear” good well made slings. Also “Savvy Sniper” small, family based maker of slings. I use them both. Tend to lean more to Savvy Sniper. Both good outfits to deal with.

                    • Two or one point sling, what’s you’re preference?

                      We need our shit!

                • Mclovin, you have a unique situation as does most everyone.
                  If riots occur and not total SHTF, picture needing a defense attorney if you blow someone away who is not in your apt. and the riot is over as soon as it starts.
                  (see, “In the Gravest Extreme” by M. Ayood, great info)

                  I like the trip wire advance warning if it’s viable and you can put a few on the stairway up…I have plans to put a couple on a ledge around the perimeter of our house and would make the intruder fall 15′.
                  Everyone’s case is different, like I said.
                  Our house is cement and block and will not burn. But there are other dangers we face that you might not.
                  For one, where I live the police are basically AFRAID to do their job, so they will melt away quickly. Actually, I like that.
                  Another thing…my advice is do not answer your phone. Let people leave a message. If you know people who are unprepped, and they have the slightest idea YOU are, well, there’s the reason. The hard part will be convincing my wife not to answer hers.
                  At least that gives you the option of letting people into your safe zone or just not returning the call..
                  There are too many things telling us ‘it’s coming’.
                  In one form or many.

                  • Massad Ayoob has written MANY good books, and has given thousands of “can’t live without” demos/speeches.

                    Another great paperback of his is DEADLY FORCE – Understand Your Right To Self Defense.

                    In a riot-like or real riot situation, (of COURSE everyone knows you can’t fire upon folks in the street, or even in your yard. Things change if you have reason to believe their going to kill your ass for fun or whatever, however, in such a situation there would no longer exist any “Rule Of Law” (and so I sincerely doubt you’d have to wait until they were trying to kick in your door before shooting, you could take them out “on approach” (dispense of later and safer).

                    I’m sure that in NC you can shoot an intruder OUTSIDE your door if they are attempting ‘forced’ entry’ (and it takes “FORCE” to “turn a key”), so Forced Entry is a word that gets very “bent” in a courtroom).

                    Massad Ayood also helps to represent “Armed Citizens”, an insurance group that is growing daily very near to Seattle (Onlaska, WA). The wife and I use them as well as USCCA (United States Concealed Carry Association). $30 bucks each per month via the 2nd one gives you up to $1.1 million in coverage should you ever need legal help AFTER you’ve had to shoot someone (and they’ll keep you outta jail if you are in the right). The Armed Citizen’s Network does exactly the same, but is just not as large in size, but has the very best attorney’s and professional witnesses (like Massad Ayoob) of most any “Gun Slinger” Insurance.

                    The majority of the time, you’ll have no need for much of ANY legal representation (unless there is a very pissed off family that smells money ‘wafting’ from your wallet). You go to trial once for having to kill (to clear your good name), then you have to pay again (civil suit) to prevent the family from “raping” your incident and making you look like a Rambo who was looking for a “kill” when their son happened along (and THEIR boy would NEVER do ANYTHING like that …even though the cops have it on CCTV, people nearby with cellphones, etc). It’s usually the second one that wipes you out, if at all, and that’s my only reason for deciding to “buy” …if nothing else, having insurance will quickly become mandatory (when the USA wakes up to how much could be made by allowing weapons, etc).

                    • Equorial, I respect your right to do what you consider best for yourself, but I, for one, won’t even consider buying such insurance let alone responding to any damn suit. Insurance for self-defense? NEVER, AT LEAST NOT FOR ME. the other side needs to make sure they have their insurance paid up before doing anything stupid that will get them killed.

                  • Tanks Ketchup, you caught exactly what I was getting at when I mentioned Rules of Engagement. WHen it’s Mad Max it’s easy to spray and pray with the M4 or AK but when it’s assumed that rule of law is going to be restored in either an hour or a day it’s hard to know exactly what amount of lethal force can be applied without being label a criminal by the system after things blow over.

                    • Meant thanks not tanks. Although a tank would be nice too haha

                • Mclovin,
                  Do I like killing NO !!! will i do what i need to do? YES ,”NO PROBLEM” uncle sam taught me well, and when you learn to deal with it, (some never do) then you can handle it, do you forget it?? NOPE!!!! just something you live with.

                • Mclovin

                  I do not think anyone is going to be left to judge you when all this cuts loose.

                  I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE A FREE FOR ALL………

              • Rebel Son, damn right. Once the balloon goes up, all the rules we live by at this time will go right out the window. Cops, lawyers, and judges will be at home with their families. We’ll be WROL [WITHOUT RULE OF LAW]. as individuals, we’ll all be on our own and have to become our own first-responders. The only stinkin’ ‘rule’ to worry about is if someone approaches you and your loved ones with the worst of intentions toward you, JUST TAKE THE PIECE OF SHIT OUT OF THIS WORLD RIGHT THERE ON THE SPOT. For the past 20-plus years I’ve been carrying certain self-defense items in the truck with me everywhere I go that are most likely illegal but I don’t give a shit about legality. The other side NEVER PLAYS BY ANY RULES, SO WHY SHOULD I? I also agree that if you worry about what some stupid law says about self-defense that you won’t make it. Always remember it’s not you who’s the problem; it’s the POS who’s out to get you that is.

            • I was going to say, if that is it, there is not much to discuss. You see them throwing, lighting, messing around, its boomtime. “KTFD” and if you have plenty of ammo, add a couple extra in there to be sure! I’m not in the burbs but, were someone to show up at my place to mess with it, they’ll get 3 rounds minimum unless I’m on the ass end of a bolt gun and then its one in the head. When SHTF, have a plan. My plan is: any person within 100ft of my residence during SHTF not waving white and crossing the border fence is a target. In normal times I may shoot to stop you. In SHTF times, I shoot to stop you permanently.

              My pick for weapons –

              Machetes and ball bats for close combat.

              9mm carbines for inside.
              (Reduced noise of pistols and shotguns.)

              ARs/Mini14s/AKs for around the exterior of the house.

              Bolt guns (223/22-250/220 Swift/243/308/30-06) for border fence. (over 50yd)

              22LR Lever/Autos for stealth pest elimination and wounding. In The Head: They Dead. In The Hiney: They Leave All Whiney. (Low emission / Low noise / Low flash – Hard for them to see where it came from weapons.)

              • Suppressed M1A Scout. All terrain, all ranges, all foes.

            • Anybody still living in the Citu with the Pavement Apes, you have been forewarned. Get the hell out if there. Hanger onners will loose it all like the City of Detroit. Your taxes go up and tour property values go down. You wait until it is too late you lost everything you worked for. Sell sell sell. Yard sales to clear your stuff out, then the house. It may be too late already.

              -WWTI… Who wants to buy a house in a looted burned out area?

              • Drunk typing again???

                • Print this, stop protecting this Liar. EVERYBODY GET THIS: This is absolutely Astonishing. This guy on here that calls himself eppe, who claims to be a prepper 8 yrs before prepping was a word, then changes his mind and calls himself a Survivalist. Look down later in this article he says this.

                  eppe says:
                  Comment ID: 3600179
                  August 20, 2016 at 11:10 am
                  My group was formed 20 years ago. I have the bol, the others have the weapons.

                  ~~ OK this bigger than life wannabee Prepper/ Survivalist has NO WEAPONS, admitted he is without security protection. Like WTF, calls himself a Prepper survivalist and No guns? So are you a felon, or doesn’t your momma let you have any? Suicidal? Or just can’t be trusted with firearms? You are an admitted Fraud by your own writing. You see, I said this dickwad “couldn’t defend his front yard, let alone anything else,” and I was 100% correct.

                  Then like a crybaby says I am gigging him. I can spot a Fraud a mile away if you watch what they say. Then he come on here and says, “Know thy gun.” But doesn’t have any. He claims to have ammo from the 1960’s, like WTF who has ammo that old, and obviously he never shoots any because he has NO Guns. Admitted the others have the weapons, so he has none. Astonishing. I was RIGHT. BS’er from the start. He lied to me and all of you.

                  This is a lesson for everyone, never align yourself with a fraud BS’er.

                  SO what is the reason you have no weapons eppe? We are all waiting for your answer eppe. Lets see what BS answer he gives.

                  ~WWTI… I was 100% correct for calling out his BS. He is a fraud. Astonishing!!!!

                  And to add to this I don’t believe he has any BOL period. And those who were here last year can identify with this. Any other land he had was sold last year, 35 acres I believe, land only, and he bragged how he then paid off his house and bought his wife a vehicle. So is he lying about any BOL? How come he never blabs about his BOL?? This again is Mr bigger than life full of SHITTTT!!
                  I will call out Bullshitters when they flat out lie. And this is a whopper no doubt. Then he comes on here like a crybaby, whining he is getting picked on. Once again eppe, this is a NO BULLSHIT Zone. And you have been busted again. What do you have to say for yourself.

                  ~WWTI… Mac you need to print this, and stop protecting this liar. He has lied to you, me and everybody else here.

                • Oh Oh, he’s gigging me mac, whaaaaa shake my rattle… help I am weak, and cant take it…… help me… LMFAO.

                  ~WWTI… Your sand box is calling you snail boy.

        • Mc
          In days gone by I would say do it to them before they do it to you! Now that I’m older and wiser I would say keep you group on a short list with a code that if you are being attacked, and if they can, they can come and back you up. Just think the Thugs are attacking your place. The all of a sudden your group opens up on them from the flanks. You would see some shitten and a getten.

          Don’t start a fight but be ready to finish the fight. Give a warning once. Do not give a time limit to them.

          Weapons. 22Lr. if you live with-in an area with lots of houses. Then have your 00 buck in your 12Ga. slug gun ready. Aim low at the legs. Shoot the ones leading the group. Or anyone with a firearm or a Molotov cocktail. Leave them lay where they drop. Say nothing to anyone until you have an attorney with you.

          Now if you live where I do in the woods. I would use the 00 buck first then as they ran away. I would break out the M4’s and the M1A’s if they return. Taking them out at longer distances. This time they might be bring their Glocks. Just remember to use a bigger stick than they are using.


          • Roger that Sgt

          • If the predators bring their Glocks, I’ll gladly take those from their corpses, and put them to good use for “our side”.
            I do not believe that any “inner city youths” are going to leave their comfort of their homogenous-socioeconomic-hidey-hole-hoods, to get lost and “stand out” like targets do at the range, in an unfamiliar suburban neighborhood, filled with residents who can and do afford home and personal protection equipment, and exercise their Constitutional Rights, to freely assemble, yo “keep and bare arms” if so desired.
            Having personally lived through being a cop that had to go to the Los Angeles Rodney King Spring Festival, the overwhelming majority of “youths” had a hard enough time trying to read the street signs, much less have an “unnerstandin'” of common geographical directions. The stellar responses of the inner-city patois of “burn in’ sh*t down…” Is bluster from street savage-slaves of the Progressive/Marxist Plantation educational system.
            If I am incorrect, then it would be reasonable for “those people” (to quote the late former LAPD Chief of Po-leech, Daryl Gates) , to be welcomed the Pearly Gates of St. Peter’s Plantation for Daid’ thugs and thugettes. I am just fine with their choices, either way. I won’t lose any sleep over their posturing and Soros-machined-pimping fo’duh cameras.

          • I talked with a few of my neighbors about a warning signal for the Mutual Aid of neighbors to quickly come help who ever is blasting their air horn. I suggested the hand help Boat Air horns. And have a monthly test, like on the first of the month at Noon, where everybody gives a short blast to know they are alert.

            1 Blast. Hey can somebody help me with a task.
            2 short blasts, Help Medical Problem.
            3 short blasts, Fire, In Danger…bring fire extinguishers.
            4 Long Blasts, Help I am being over run by intruders and bring all your firepower and lots of ammo..

            What do you think of that mutual aid alert system?


            • Sounds good. If more than one or two participating, testing should reveal if code needs to be repeated after short pause, to better assure everybody else can readily tell from whom it came from. Experience has shown with anything like this, first round rouses people from whatever they were doing to next start paying better attention to where it’s coming from. That’d be the reason for the repeat.

              Also, once hostilities commence, might want to go to 24/7 FRS radio comms, with just brief codes used, in case any others monitoring it.

              • Yes shane I thought of that, after I hit the submit button. Horn blasts with a Pause, then a repeat again of the signal. Just keep blowing the horn signal until someone else shows up to help. Even using CB Radio to broadcast a neighborhood alert on a specific channel, after a CB Alert Horn warning, to get better details. It would be like your own personal Neighborhood radio station channel. And use a once a month test log in to make sure everybody is on board. Just like the CD Civil Defense horned used to do when I was a kid. And CB does not broadcast very far, to tell the world what’s up. Its way more local.

                Another consideration flaw in my situation, is being solo where I am, if for some reason I got hurt, my gates are locked, how would they get in to help me or me even to get to my air horn to send an alert. Maybe rip off 3 pistol shots to say I need help, since I wear my firearm here. So I guess, until I find a trusted neighbor to hand off a gate key to, I will have to deal with my situation solo. I am very safety conscious, and if I had a hard task like taking a crazy tree down or something, (Which I have 2 large trees I need to take down right now) I have a few neighbors that could and would offer help, so I am not doing that more riskier task alone. So I just don’t do stupid chance taking things, without mutual help. There is no hurry out here in FL Summer heat, and people get to things eventually. Its pretty hot out here and we do physical tasks in the AM or late day when it is cooler.


            • WWTI

              Copied post. Good one.

            • I’m deaf!

        • The ROE are exactly the same as they are right now for any homeowner or citizen, but you’ll have a lot more opportunities to use them and the distances will expand outward.

          Stop the imminent threat to life and limb, then cease fire.

          • It would be nice if it were only that simple “cut and dried”.

            I can certainly see where this could get extremely out of hand in large cities (and even all LEOs on the forces could not remotely hope to outnumber them, in the cities and ‘semi-large’ cities. I can also only assume that every bit of it will creep on out to the suburbs, but that’s where I’ve a mind it’ll stop.

            There are lots and lots of city people who’ll have nothing doing with going into an area with roads that GO THROUGH WOODS ON BOTH SIDES! OMG!!! Being that we are a considerable distance from what anyone would call a small town, the odds of anyone finding their way to our road seem to be ‘outside the realm of possibility’ (but on the other hand nothing would surprise me if the local ‘riff-raff’ came crawling out of the wood-work (from somewhere), which for many would be an unforeseen complication (and if you lacked ‘fortification’ (inside and out, daylight or pitch black), you’d be in a bad way.

            These days you can get Night Vision all the way up to Gen VII (or so I’ve read, but I’ve never seen any writeups, so I dunno if they exist or not). I’m used to Gen-II, and I’m driven to state that if there is any way “under the sun” that you can manage the bucks to get yourself into ANY KIND OF NIGHTVISION …then you’ll compound your chances of getting through tomorrow and the next days with lots of ‘zeros’, and that’s splendid. You get what you pay for, with the best dependability seeming to hang between $1800.00 through nearly $5 grand, but what’s wrong with the ones that are running in the lows $3’s? Not everyone can go over $10k for a black-gun AR-15. Not that it isn’t tempting, but naw, I don’t wanna pay that kind of interest not to mention the damned “paper trail.”

            • Equorial, I have a couple of night scopes but they’re ‘el cheapos’ that I manage to work with. Not that many people have thousands of FRNs for any of the top-notch toys out there. My best NV device was around only $300 when I bought it 4 years ago.

                • Got your shinney white butt in my sites neighbor…Crack marks the spot! HmmmmDowgy.

        • I have a six foot chain link fence topped with three strand of barbed wire surrounding my property. The (my) ROE’s are if you are inside the fence you are dead. If you are moving past on the outside you are watched (because there is nothing down the road) thru a scope or sights until you are way out of sight and I get radio confirmation you have left the AO. If you are not here in the boonies where I hang my hat you have nothing to worry about from me.

        • One thing to note, is it is highly likely your encounter is going to be on camera. So if you want to shoot people on sight, don’t be surprised if a few weeks later you’re defending yourself in court based on some footage you didn’t anticipate.

          So, yes, warning shots, commands, to begin with, then shoot to end the threat and cease fire. You might think about recording things yourself.

          • Very true, I’m a big guy at 6’5″, 235. I might have a harder time convincing the police I’m in fear of my life than some cute little blonde would.

          • Smokey,
            No warning shots. Warning shots are interpreted by the courts as negligently discharging a firearm. The act of firing in the direction of someone, is attempted murder. Only if you are afraid for your life should you use a firearm. Having the confidence to fire a warning shot implies you don’t actually fear for your life. It’s a claim that gets many in trouble.

            I do remember a case in Fla where a guy high on bath salts breaks into a couples home, the husband ends up fighting with the guy who’s trying to bite him. The wife runs and gets the gun. The husband is screaming for the wife to shoot him every time he pushes the guy away. The wife just couldn’t shoot him. She emptied the gun essentially drawing a line around the guy on the wall without hitting him. They weren’t warning shots, she just couldn’t do it. The drugged up nut finally freaked out on the floor from the noise in a heap just crying, and stayed there till police arrived. The homeowners weren’t charged, even though the wife could have killed someone in a neighboring house with her negligent shooting.

            That said, know your states laws. In some states you can shoot if someone is simply trespassing. Not in my state, we do however have a castle law that says if someone breaks in and you are in fear of your life you can shoot. The law in my state further protects you from an assumption of guilt by the police, so when you contact police make it clear you were in fear of your life and you fired in self defense. Answer no further questions without a lawyer. Insist that state law protects you from “reasonable cause assertions” by police who may insist on searching the rest of your premises for other firearms etc. they don’t have the right as long as you make the “castle law” assertion and immediately observable evidence doesn’t contradict your statement.

            Other thoughts, consider owning no treaspassing signs that can be rapidly posted around your property. If someone ignores your sign and trespasses, it raises the crime from simple treaspassing to criminal trespassing. Lock your doors, make them break in. If someone walks in you may have trouble justifying deadly force.

            Consider having pepper spray. As well the fire extinguisher mentioned in the article could be used to mark and deter a crowd. If nonleathal methods fail to turn away a group, it lends credence to the need for deadly force because you fear for your life. It gives you that extra step if you confront a group who respond with what are you going to shoot unarmed people? Pepper spray them and consider leathal force for any that fail to turn and run. Most pepper spray has a UV dye that marks attackers for the police to arrest.

            The idea of rioters coming to the suburbs is unlikely, they would need thransportation, and without a mob to hide in, rioters just never have the confidence to keep going. Unless Soros is going to rent BLM busses, and they can get on the bus without burning it down, they just aren’t going anywhere they can’t walk to. And I don’t see public transportation sitting still while dozens of violent BLM folk with bats, knives, clubs, guns, signs etc start piling on a bus to the burbs.

            • Good info. Agree 100%

              • blm just received 100 million from the ford foundation. That’s enough to expand considerably. If white folks will just fight back though, the brothers and their traitor supporters will die pretty quickly.

                • A hundred million could have fixed a lot of lead pipes that poison minorities and cause life long brain damage in the hood, but isn’t lead poisoning how liberals/progressive Democrats control their voter slaves?

                  Fix the lead pipes and cure all future generations, or just finance their violence and blame their problems on disparate white America. ht tp://urbanleadpoisoning.com

                  (Flint MI isn’t an isolated incident!)

                • Henry Ford is spinning in his grave. I wish the Ford Foundation would revive Henry’s “Dearborn Independent” publication.


                  “Many issues of the Independent comment extensively upon The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The first mention of the Protocols appears in the issue of July 10, 1920, the seventh installment of its “International Jew” series.”

            • Plan Twice. In fact that case in FL, where the woman shot a warning shot, prompted the law to be changed. In Florida now you can shoot a warning shot at an intruder or into the ground stating you mean business and that is their final warning. They figured if a person continued in to attack after the warning shot, then killing him was justified. Morons deserve to die.

              Here is the amended Gun Law.

              Florida Extends ‘Stand Your Ground’ to Include Warning Shots

              An update of Florida’s controversial “Stand Your Ground” law allows Floridians who threaten to use a gun or who fire a warning shot to protect themselves the chance to avoid criminal prosecution.

              The change, signed into law Friday by Gov. Rick Scott, was partly inspired by the case of Marissa Alexander, 33, who was sentenced to 20 years in prison after firing a shot during a dispute with her allegedly abusive husband.

              Alexander’s lawyers attempted to claim self-defense and that it was a warning shot, but the jury found Alexander guilty and she was sentenced to 20 years in prison under Florida’s current sentencing rules.

              An appellate court later overturned the conviction and ordered a retrial for Alexander.

              Alexander’s defense team said they are “grateful” for the change in the law.

              “We learned today that Governor Rick Scott has signed the corrective Stand Your Ground Bill, which was advanced by the legislature as a result of concern about Marissa’s case among others,” read the statement. “We are of course grateful for the governor’s actions.”

              ht tp://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-extends-stand-ground-include-warning-shots/story?id=24244906

              Florida is one of the friendliest 2nd Amendment States in the country. Thanks Governor Scott!!


              • WWTI

                Thanks for the update. Generally I keep up with current law. I knew it was being debated but don’t know the final status.

                It is amazing that Florida has held the line on the 2nd Amendment with the influx of retirees from the liberal north east.

                • Florida is a good state.

      7. I don’t like the idea of staying inside waiting for my door to be breached. If a mob is coming up the street looting and burning, I think it would work out much better to pick out the leaders and start dropping them from distance.

        These mobs usually cannot think independently,

      8. Delaying the inevitable will just give the domestic enemy time to get stronger. We need to get this over with now . The domestic enemy are letting more and more of these third world rats in every day. How much longer do we have. Do you really think that things will get better when there are more of them? They probably don’t want us to wake up this soon. Their plans are going wrong . We all see our options . We all see our situation . We will not be able to pick and chose. So sorry. Your best friend is whatever. They have to leave before it’s too late . We whites have no place else to go. Can’t go to Africa can’t go to Mexico . Canadians are commie crap. You can go to Africa you can go to Mexico we can’t. And the native Indians will go back to kidnaping sakajewea and selling her. No. The parties over . Your third world mentality belongs in the third world. Have a nice life with you own kind. We won’t go there you don’t come here. That’s the deal.

      9. Get out of the City for starters, None of these Baboons would attempt to come way out in the country pulling that BS, with every redneck in the area packing massive amounts of weapons, including wood chippers..

        When I did live in the city these Apes would come to the door during the day on Recon, to see who is at home. I put up a few motion detector fake cameras.. After that, when they would come to the door and look up the fake camera on them and the red light blinking, they would not knock, but turn around and take off. That ended that door knocking BS. That’s the power of Force Multipliers.

        To get to my place now in the boonies, you would have to hike several miles through snake and gator infested swamp land, or the Red neck, one way road in, get through 2 locked gates and a 6 ft tall barbed wire fence with cameras and motion detectors, and then reverse course, and one way Red neck road out for 6 miles. Ain’t happening here. And even if they tried, they would be met with massive lead poisoning, then disappear into the wood chipper and then sprinkled out as gator chum. And your BS Obama phone won’t work out here either. We don’t call 911.


      10. Birdshot in the eyes works on everything.?

        • Really? “Birdshot in the eyes works on everything”???
          Somebody is swigging the tacti-cool koolaid by the gallon.
          Such advice, is not even worth the flatulence it came from.
          Besides, who in THIER right kind would let predators in that close?

      11. Hypothetical question. Would the USA be better or worse without brown people. Isn’t it obvious. Why are we even talking about this. Who do we loose? Ben Carson , a couple comedians. A singer or two. O sports ? Yes you sports people. Thinking about it what good are the paint my face waste our tax money for your entertainment idiots. Let’s clean house big time. O but the super bowl. And the half time show. Who cares about saving our civilization . We need sports. I wonder what the average IQ of a sports fan is?

      12. I live in a somewhat rural county with a pop. of 55,000. With a large percentage(90% plus) of residents being white and armed, I do not believe this kind of crap would last long where I live. However, I work 25 minutes away in a city of 50,000+. That would be my fear of being stuck at work or grocery shopping and something like this happening. I do not have much faith in the lone security guard.

        • Small Town, Mid TN

          Population 1461
          91% white

          Have to make a long trip to Nashville for anything of value-medical and such.

          Don’t think riots will be coming this far out.

      13. I live in the suburbs now, but we sold our home and are moving out within the month. Today I had a guy from a Moving Van company give us a quote, and of course he saw most of my non-ammo/gun preps. Later I asked him if what I had was unusual. He replied, ” We’re seeing more and more people with basements filled with food, water, and whatnot”.
        He then went on to tell me that he was stocking a “safe room” in his own house.

        It’s come’n, so watch out fur dem hogs!

      14. Should be interesting here in The Bronx.

      15. Want a good laugh???

        ht tps://m.facebook.com/jesse.newton.37/posts/776177951574

        • One of my cousins posted a copy of that the other day. I showed my wife, and she had to take a copy to church to show someone she knows who owns a Roomba. Very funny.

        • I have a blind, near deaf dog and I sometimes don’t catch her signal to go out.

          I would never have a Roomba.

          However, that is just about the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time. Mostly ’cause…

          it didn’t happen to me!!!!

          thanks eppe

          • I almost did not post it, but the title of the article was ‘sh!t in surburbia’ so I went ahead…
            Be well al…

            • Eppe, uh, what’s a ‘roomba’?

              • It is a robotic cleaning device for your floors.
                It ran across some dog poo and dragged it all over the house.
                The writer was very good…

                • Eppe, LOL. Now that’s a good one.

                  • Yo! eppe,

                    got us a new Beagle puppy, what ate somethin’ foul in the woods running and learning hunting with the rest ‘o The Pack….

                    came back home and did what most poor folks can’t do at their bank–gave numerous deposits.

                    the little critter did the “liquid deposits” all over the house 24/7 until we got her to the Vet, who solved it all with an simple injection.

                    A MIRACLE!

                    • One of my best buds raises short leg beagles for rabbit hunting.
                      In a county north of here, someone has made a rabbit sanctuary for the training of dogs.
                      Mostly blackberry brambles.
                      He came up with a RC 4×4 covered in rabbit skin.
                      Not seen it myself, but would be cool to train with…

      16. bring it on, we are ready and waiting.

      17. I wonder who made the quote “chickens are coming home to roost”? 10 bucks to first person who answers. White people have been spreading nothing but death and destruction around the world, made the lives of black people a living hell since the day you brought use here to build this country for free, and NOW you are afraid you White suburban Utopias are under threat…..

        • Ona lake in the forest sitting waiting.Just me my dogs & white ass with the cure.

        • Nat Turner

          Hello Nat. How ya doing? Been awhile.

          • @Anon,

            I am fine, just observing the slow motion collapse just like everyone else.

            • Nat Turner.

              “and NOW you are afraid you White suburban Utopias are under threat…..”

              What took you so long?

              The woman make a point that pointed out that tactics have to change. She was tired of having her shit burned down. An epiphany. A cry of desperation. Whatever it was you can be sure it is only the beginning.

              I think that Blacks burning down White neighborhoods is the beginning. Then people, not just Blacks, will burn down the rich neighborhoods. Then we all will burn down D.C.

              Blacks don’t have the Copyrights on rioting, do they?

              Eighty days to go the election. We shall see.

              • @Anon,

                Totally correct on all points, but all of the white supremecists on this website want to pretend only black people engage in these types of behavior, when a quick Google search would prove that the MOST VOiLENT riots in this nations history (race, class, etc.) have been carried out by Whites…

                It’s clear shit is going to get worse as we get closes to the elections so it’s best to be prepared.

                • Most riots have been carried out by whites? White supremists? Do you want this country ruled by blacks or Hispanics.? Look at every country ruled by blacks or Hispanics or Asians. It’s either a shit hole or a police state. Are you insane ? Your kind can’t run a latrine. Accept your place . At the bottom. You have earned it. You alone should know your kind can not be allowed to control or rule over anything . Look at what your kind has done to this world . You destroy everything you touch. Learn your place . Or get put in your place . Or get gone.

                  • And what would you call Greece where people are starving to death? And these white meth and herion towns all over the good old USA….The truth is that these black, brown, and yellow nations as you say “are at the bottom” because of white nations interventions: take a look at Haiti and you will see the US and France, take a look at China and you will see the British, Russia, and the US. But many of these nations are rising, such as Nigeria China, and India, and at some point in the future.

                    • Prove it. Whites can’t move to Africa. Or Mexico . You can . Join your wonderful kind. Send us a post card of your new wonderful life. We can’t wait to see.

                • Nat Turner, about time you came back. You’re overdue for spewing out your usual lies about us. You’re damn right things will get worse from now until November. But I’m going to do what I know is right for me and mine and I don’t care what any black trick says about it.

                  • Yep, Brave I’d of rather his people all would have remained on the Serengeti Plain continuing to be Happy Meals for the lions and cheetahs. But, too late now. Ah well, it doesn’t make any difference now. Anyone who wants to harm me or mine I intend on planting.

                    • So against cowardly patriot: why did YOUR people bring us to this country? The land that was stole from the natives that your people slaughtered?

                    • nat….stuck in the past….i’ll just bet you ten bucks not a damn ONE of your relatives is alive that “was brought to this country”, forcibly. a LOT has happened to U.S. since those days…now the whites are the ones discriminated against…just go to the DMV, social security office, city hall……..there’s a WHOOOOLE lottta blacks working at those gub-mint jobs, making WAY more than THIS cracker makes. pullin’ the raysiss card here falls on deaf ears….ANYbody can make it in the U.S., if they got ambition.

                    • one more thing, nat….just ask around, and i’ll BET you can get enough money for a ticket BACK to africa in one DAY.

                    • Natty Nat, YOUR PEOPLE went around gathering their enemy tribes up and selling them off on the coast to the Traders. Seems you need to bone up on your history ‘ol boy. As far as I’m concerned I sure as hell don’t want your race here. Maybe you need to listen some to Brother J.D. Manning. I do know who the real Nat Turner was and what he did. Frankly he should of got a medal. Had I been around at the time I would have loved to been able to pack your people back on the boat and sent them back to their homeland.

                • Nat
                  Go ahead and bait the bear.

                  • And the bear is who or what exactly? I don’t speak redneck….

                    • Nat
                      Don’t lie.

                • No, black people are out continuing the success of their forebearers. You know, the Africans who invented the wheel, the radio, the television, penicillin, the pacemaker, space travel, the internal combustion engine, the firearm, the telephone, the personal computer, air conditioning, and so many other modern wonders.

              • You mean it would prevent a war if Trump were to be elected (without the expected ‘screw-job’ and theft of The Oval Office)?

                I don’t. My oh my, if he actually outscores her she’ll lose all contact with reality then “somehow” (though even scholars say it cannot be done), Obama might very well slip his ass right back into the picture (by never leaving it, meaning Martial Law being invoked in all major cities). There aren’t enough LEOs to go against all the mountain-living hill-billy boys with dem shotguns to even THINK about keep dem under control, and they can’t read the paper anyway so they’ll never be a source of trouble (and be left alone). As long as the beer trucks keep coming. We got our own ‘drink’, thank you.

                You can keep the bastards completely off your ass if you have your own (like well) water or spring (and filter hell out of it in all possible and known ways, including UV Light for the ultimate in killing germs and nasties). Well, “off your ass” from ‘raping you’ in exchange for “pressure water” in your house (or something to drink). Nothing to target, except the entire damned BOL! That’s what many of the smarter ones will be doing exactly. Find you, scope you out very well and then take you out. Then onward when your stuff is exhausted. (There are those that will never, ever work a day in their lives).

                • Equorial

                  “Find you, scope you out very well and then take you out.”

                  Whoop! there it is. Whoop! there it is.

                  That is what we are all afraid of. I mean, Do Blacks Worry about riots? Could depend on which side of the tracks your on. But the rest of us. Fat, dumb and happy till it heads our way. And it doesn’t matter why because there is NO FIX for anything as of now. What would happen if the Latinos started to riot all over the place.

                  No miren ahora, Nos dirigimos a la casa grande!

                  Let’s not forget about the Muslims.

                  Lucky God Created Whiskey so the Irish couldn’t rule the world.

                  • Anon
                    guess you haven’t seen Trump’s latest… he is talking another amnesty. I bought in to Reagan’s amnesty. No more.

                    • Rebecca.

                      Found it on google. I figured he would soften his stance on immigration but still stronger than what the democrats want as open boarders.

                      Which is more damaging to a presidential campaign? A slight change in immigration policy or the revelation of damaging information to the public from resurrected, deleted E-Mails?

                      More E-Mails in October?

        • ROFL!! Maybe the liberals would be afraid. You pull that shit in my neighborhood and you’re going to die. End of story.

        • Nat Turner

          Slavery and its aftermath was certainly cruel on black Americans but in the end the ancestors of those slaves, born in the US, have lived lives far better than their ancestors in Africa. White people have spread a mixture of evil and high progress throughout the world.

          White people are not the enemy.

          • @Kevin,

            Where do you get off making such a statement? Where is your evidence that Blacks in America are better off than blacks in Africa? There are citiIves in Nigeria, Ghana, and Ethiopa that are more modern than in the states? Are the Blacks who live in the Southside of Chicago better off than Blacks in Africa? Are the Blacks who are being poisoned by the drinking water in Flint Michigan better off than the Blacks in Africa? I tell you: the fall for White Americans is going to be a hard one.

            • “There are citiIves in Nigeria, Ghana, and Ethiopa that are more modern than in the states?”

              You could cherry pick a city in Africa but in total its better in the US.

              “Are the Blacks who live in the Southside of Chicago better off than Blacks in Africa?”

              Yes, the income of a welfare recipient dwarfs that of the average income in Africa.

              ” Are the Blacks who are being poisoned by the drinking water in Flint Michigan better off than the Blacks in Africa? ”

              Africa is known for safe drinking water? Cut me a break. Africa is largely the 3rd world. Vast areas have no running water and place scares the daylights out of penicillin. Serra Leone makes Detroit and Camden look safe. Tribal warfare is prevalent and black on black slavery is still practiced.

              ” I tell you: the fall for White Americans is going to be a hard one.”

              You reek of hatred. The fall of America takes down everyone, white, black, yellow, and brown. It would be wise to not hope for it. Lightbulb, airplane, car, radio, computer, generator, electrical distribution…… the list is endless, who by the way invented and designed them? Call it an inconvenient truth but its the truth none the less.

              • The 10 lowest per capita incomes in the world are from nations in Africa. They range from $130 / year to $250 / year. Yes US welfare is by comparison wealthy.

                • @Kevinzero,

                  Blah, Blah, welfare welfare welfare….cause every Black person is on welfare, lol.

              • @ Kevin,

                How do you know that things are “totally” better in the US versus Africa? We both know you have never been to any parts Africa, just like we both know you have never been to the Southside of Chicago or any poor inner city black neighborhood which means you are not qualified to talk about either or make comparison….But of course you are a white male that watches American tv so that more than qualifies you. And how does welfare make a point about the standard of living of poor black people? MOST black people in the Southside of Chicago, and in any inner city AReNOT ON WELFARE! In fact most people on welfare in this country are white! It’s like you white supremecists all use the same lame talking points. Again Kevin….how do you know that most parts of Africa have no drinking water? It is fucking continent! And all this other shit about tribal warfare and black on slavery, that shit is happening in Europe and everywhere else! What the fuck do you think sex trafficking is? What was the war in Bosina about? Read a fucking book for once….

                And as for the inventions you talked about….you do know that not all of these things were invited by White people right? For example the Eygptians AKA BLACK PEOPLE had electricity, in door pumbling, and were practicing open heart surgery when white people were still living in caves….you can google that one too!

                • The Egyptians weren’t black. Ramesses II had red hair and fair skin. King Tut’s skull shows that he had a narrow nose, thus not black African.

                  The biggest black inventions I have found are peanut butter and the traffic light.

                  Blacks are experts in making stuff up, such “hands up, don’t shoot,” and denying the obvious, such as when you catch one shoplifting a large can of nuts under a t-shirt and they say “what nuts?”

                  • And air conditioning, that made a difference in life as we know it now…

                    • Sorry, refrigeration.
                      Which lead to air conditioning.

                      Know thy gun…

                    • Drinking again. You don’t even have any guns, you POS Liar. You posted this down below. You lied to me, Mac and this entire board. You are a Fraud. Then you come on here and say Know thy guns. And you don’t even own any. You are a admitted Fraud.

                      Comment ID: 3600179
                      August 20, 2016 at 11:10 am
                      My group was formed 20 years ago. I have the bol, the others have the weapons.

                      ~~ OK this bigger than life wannabee Prepper/ Survivalist has NO WEAPONS, admitted he is without security protection. Like WTF, calls himself a Prepper survivalist and No guns? YOU LIE!!!


                    • As usual, wrong again…

                    • Wwti, you are one meesd up ‘human’…

                  • So let me get this straight: the Egyptians weren’t black but yet all of their painting and sculptures were of Black people? The Egyptians weren’t Black but yet Egypt is apart of the Content Africa. The same content that you and your friends keep telling me to go back to? The Egyptains weren’t black but yet the Arabs didn’t come to Eygpt till the 9th century AD? The Egyptains were Black but white people only bothered to build pyramids in Egypt but NOT IN EUROPE?!?

                    • India is part of Asia, but the Indian people aren’t Chinese. Your logic fails.

                      There are pyramids of various styles all around the world, not just in Egypt. There are white people and other races in various parts of the world, but Stonehenge was only built in England, the Easter Island statues were only built on Easter Island, etc. Again, your logic fails.

                      Besides, the main Egyptian pyramids had to be built only on their current site because the arrangement of the the pyramids and the Nile could match the central belt stars of Orion and the Milky Way at that location and no other.

                      Egyptian paintings and sculpture weren’t all black people. They painted them yellow and red as well. So, were the Egyptians Chinese or American Indian? You are badly misinformed.

                      If Egypt was black and just like the rest of Africa, why was the rest of the continent lacking in the rudiments of civilization, such as written language? Why do you think a lot of Americans refer to them as “spear chuckers”?

                      Arabs were in Egypt at least by the 600s. Muhammed was sending threatening letters to Egypt around 626 AD.

                      Read a book.

                    • @Loser Archivist,

                      My logic never fails: you are just a white man who things he is right because he is right. Egypt is apart of Africa, Africa is the home of Black people, so it makes sense that Eygptains would be Black…and the artwork tells the truth: Napeoloen knew this, that’s why he had his troops shoot off the nose of the Sphinx. And since you only believe the words of white men like yourself check the writings the Greeks and Romans on how they described the Egyptians: there wasn’t one mention of blond hair or blue eyes or pale skin!

                      And you are correct pyramids were built around the world: but not one was ever built by white civilization. And as for your bullshit that Africans had no written languages that is total bullshit as well: you can do a simple google search of nsibidi writings and Tifinagh script. This of course does not include the various Kemetic (Egyptian and areas around Sudan) that were OF COURSE INVENTED BY BLACK PEOPLE!!

                    • Ancient paintings of any particular people does not mean that is the color of the people living there then. They did not have advancement of a color palet. The Mayans only had 3 main colors available to them. If they painted a person the person would have to have been Mayan blue turquois. So you think the Mayans were Blue people?

                      Nat your BS is growing. This is a NO BS Zone.


                    • @PersonWhoKnowsNothing,

                      Let me get this straight the Eygptians were able to design pyramids that were able to align with the stars in the solar system; do open heart surgery; were using electricity and had indoor plumbing but yet ONLY HAD THREE COLORS TO PAINT WITH?!? What kind of fucking logic is that? And even if that bullshit argument was true they had the color black didn’t they? And we both know what type of hair they painted in their artwork AND IT SURE WASN’T the blond and wavy kind, lol.

                • “How do you know that things are “totally” better in the US versus Africa?”

                  Because the 10 lowest per capita incomes ranging from $150 to $250 per year are from African nations. This translates to 45 to 70 cents per day.

                • just pasted these from a government site:

                  With regard to AFDC the figures are:

                  White 38.8%
                  Black 39.8
                  Hispanic 15.7
                  Asian 2.4
                  other 3.3

                  To break down these numbers, we look at how many Whites are in the population as a WHOLE. If Blacks make up less 14% of the population and are almost 40% of all receipients, then they represent about 2.5 times their actual population. Since Whites are over 50% of the total US pop., they represent less than their overall piece of the pie, population-wise. Hispanics are at least 15% of the general population, so they take only about as much as what their population represents. Why am I writing this? Because I am tired of the misrepresentations on this issue. I read so many on here claiming that more Whites are on welfare than Blacks (true, in terms of raw numbers), yet not accounting for the fact that there are over 4X as many Whites in this country than Blacks! In statistics, you cannot go by mere numbers. Only if the playing field is exactly equal, which is rarely is! This thread was started, not to be racist, but to keep it real. After all, there are some legitimate reasons for Blacks to be on welfare more than Whites. But the worst thing anyone can do is be in denial.

                  • @Dead3

                    That government website you used must have been really fucking old cause the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program ENDED IN 1996!!! So your numbers are a lie and you are full of shit. Try again with some other white supremacist propaganda!

                    • It was just changed to Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), but people just call it AFDC. That’s like people calling all tissues Kleenex. It’s just a name, but the free crap still goes on.

                    • @FakeArchivist

                      Your “superior” white intelligence is on display with your silly response:

                      Nice try: “people” don’t just call it “AFCD” they call it welfare. Furthermore Your boy Dead3 stated that “he received his information from a government website.” Do you think the “government website” would update its information to note the change in the name from AFDC to TANF?!? Exactly you clown……so the only LOGICAL conclusion that your boy Dead3 is lying.

            • Nat…ole buddy
              “Where is your evidence that Blacks in America are better off than blacks in Africa?” Seriously??? How many blacks in afrika are on the federal payroll/welfare? I’ll help you, none. Underpriviledged in afrika live in mud huts made with cow crap. They fight off muslims and lions with spears. If you’re lucky you join up with a gang and get the privilege of owning an AK to kill off your non-muslim relatives and neighbors.

              “I tell you: the fall for White Americans is going to be a hard one.” Really? Civil War, The Great Depression, WWI, WWII etc…we’ve been through hard times before. We’ll make it through this storm as well. One thing for sure, American blacks better hope and pray the US does weather the storm. There’s no other place in the world that will put up with their ****.

              • @Deadnek101,

                Can’t help yourself with the welfare talk huh? Still ignoring the fact that 65 percent of welfare receipts in this country are “hard working” white people like you huh? This doesn’t include the millions of white people who are employed by the miltary industrial complex which itself is just ANOTHER FORM OF WELFARE!!! And it’s obvious you have never been to Africa or done any research on it. Just another superior White male who believes everything you see on tv. Let me guess, you also believe the “Muslims” brought down WTC building 3 on 9/11 cause you saw that on tv too?!?

                Also for your comment about “Americans blacks better pray” you do remember that Black people were brought to this country AGAINST our will right? Cause you sound fucking stupid right now…

                • @Nat TurnerD
                  You’re either part of the machine or you’re not. You support the society or you don’t. There are unlimited ghetto’s and cities I can provide showing evidence what happens when black people who refuse to fall into line with our societies norms. Blacks are their own worst enemy.

                  There’s not a single black person who was sold into slavery by the afrikan chiefs alive today. Your emotional pleading is duly noted and irrelevant. Why don’t you try to use some arguments/points that originate in the past 10 years or so. Maybe they will be germane to the conversation.

                  All blacks are citizens and have all the rights that any other citizen has and yet they still insist on being slaves. Not slaves to the “Evil White Man” but slaves to their own leadership who perpetuate the “whitey’s beatin’ us down” narrative. There’s big money in the “Hatin’ Whitey” industry.

                  “9. African Americans were more likely to receive public assistance than other groups”
                  Welfare numbers. Just ponder, no response needed.
                  “In 2012, an average of 41.6% of African Americans received means-tested benefits each month. About 18% of Asians or Pacific Islanders and 13% of whites received benefits each month. Thirty-six percent of Hispanics of any race received government assistance.”

                  This is the scary stuff:
                  The 2013 Index of Dependence on Government

                  • Well, redneck101, you know those numbers have improved a bunch since 2012/2013, right? You know, because the economy has continued to “improve”, right? Can media and government do anything but Lie, Steal and Murder? I don’t think so. They keep proving that they cannot.

                    Meanwhile, in the midewest, we do the best we can.

                    • Oh it’s all peachy in the suburbs, according to Obama anyway!

                • @Nat TurnerD
                  You’re either part of the machine or you’re not. You support the society or you don’t. There are unlimited ghetto’s and cities I can provide showing evidence what happens when black people who refuse to fall into line with our societies norms. Blacks are their own worst enemy.

                  There’s not a single black person who was sold into slavery by the afrikan chiefs alive today. Your emotional pleading is duly noted and irrelevant. Why don’t you try to use some arguments/points that originate in the past 10 years or so. Maybe they will be germane to the conversation.

                  All blacks are citizens and have all the rights that any other citizen has and yet they still insist on being slaves. Not slaves to the “Evil White Man” but slaves to their own leadership who perpetuate the “whitey’s beatin’ us down” narrative. There’s big money in the “Hatin’ Whitey” industry.

                  “9. African Americans were more likely to receive public assistance than other groups”
                  Welfare numbers. Just ponder, no response needed.
                  ht tp://www.cheatsheet.com/
                  “In 2012, an average of 41.6% of African Americans received means-tested benefits each month. About 18% of Asians or Pacific Islanders and 13% of whites received benefits each month. Thirty-six percent of Hispanics of any race received government assistance.”

                  This is the scary stuff:
                  The 2013 Index of Dependence on Government
                  ht tp://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/11/the-2013-index-of-dependence-on-government

                  • @rednek,

                    These “unlimited ghettos” you talk about are a product of Amerikka, not Black people; the unemployment rates are over 40 percent in most of these neighborhoods and the schools are shit. So what’s the excuse for the white ghettos? The trailer parks? The meth and herion towns? Let’s me guess the “darkies” and the Chinese stealing “our” jobs caused it?!?

                    “There is not a single black person alive today that was sold into slavery”

                    Well no shit Sherlock, but guess what: there are MILLIONS of black people alive TODAY who experienced Jim Crow: who saw with their own eyes their family members who were lynched, castrated, and raped! Millions who were denied access to good paying jobs, harassed and beaten by police for no reason other than they were black!

                    And yes dickhead: black people are more likely to be on public assistance than whites, and guess what? Blacks have a higher poverty rate and unemployment so it makes fucking sense. I guess math isn’t you strong point. And regardless it STILL DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE AKA 65 PERCENT OF WELFARE RECIEPNTS ARE WHITE!!

                    • Millions of black people alive today could not have witnessed lynchings. In the 75 years ending in 1950, less than 4,000 lynchings occurred. Millions witnessing them would have been impossible.

                      The other forms of discrimination depended on where you lived. In the 1950s in my town, you could hardly push your way through the crowds of black people shopping in all the stores downtown. Of course, there was one restaurant that didn’t want black customers inside, but the city shut it down. They had to move out of town. Funny thing is, the location is now in town, and their address is MLK Blvd., although the original owner died a few years ago and descendants run it now.

                      In raw numbers, there are about an equal number of white and black people getting welfare, but a much higher percentage of black people based on population. White people get denied a lot, either because of reverse racism or because the white families actually have a father with enough self-respect to stay with his wife and children.

                      I used to work in stores and saw very few white people with food stamps, but most of the black people had them. And like most of the other people posting on this site, I have stood in line behind black people buying steaks with food stamps when all I could afford was hamburger.

                    • Damn Nate. Where to start with you…

                      “These “unlimited ghettos” you talk about are a product of Amerikka, not Black people;”
                      —Anywhere there is a high concentration of lower echelon blacks there’s a ghetto. Anywhere, any continent any city. Your much ballyhooed Flint Michigan used to be a white city. It’s a ghetto now. Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore……. Don’t know why, must be in the genes. Really don’t care either.

                      “So what’s the excuse for the white ghettos?”
                      —Don’t need to make excuses for white ghettos. The one fact that should grab the attention of the blacks is that lower echelon whites don’t run around burning down their own neighborhood. There is no WLM. They know their place in our society. If your a druggy, thief or other criminal type you better STFU and not stir up crap.

                      I keep seeing you bringing up are points about things that happened decades ago. Jim Crow, slave ships…. Trust me, whitey doesn’t care. Whitey has his own life to worry about. Whitey doesn’t owe any black anything for ancient history. Instead of blacks diving into the depths of history for excuses for their failure to adapt and thrive in this society, why don’t they spend their time trying to figure out how to get themselves out of the condition they are in. Trust me, cop killer rap, blaming whitey for all the problems ain’t working out too well for blacks. It’s been 50 years since Selma and tens of billions of dollars thrown at the problem and the lower echelons of blacks are in the same place they were 50 years ago.

                    • @Loser Archivist

                      For you being such a “superior” white person your reading comprehension skills fucking suck: I never wrote that ” millions of blacks witnessed lynchings” WHAT I WROTE was that millions of blacks WHO ARE STILL ALIVE experienced Jim Crow, which is the truth considering that Jim Crow didn’t end till the 1970s.

                    • Nat…
                      Jim Crow ended in the 70’s. 46 years ago. 100% irrelevant when applied to the current black condition.

                      It’s like the 12 step program. First admit you have the problem. Second ASK for help. Blacks will never be able to move forward when their leadership continues to perpetuate the false narrative. Blacks need to flush their leadership much as our country needs to flush its leadership. Blacks as well and all other Americans need a fresh set of eyes on the problems that confront us all.

                    • I started with a reply, Nat, but you are just so utterly and completely ignorant of basic math, logic and just common sense, it’s hard to know where to start, so let’s just stick with one. If your welfare recipient facts are correct, then riddle me this, Batman. Do you know the % of population blacks and whites make? Do you think that maybe, just possibly, might impact the percentages on welfare? Have you even googled “welfare demographics?” Here, let me help you in your staggering ignorance. There are ~ 110.5mm on welfare. 38.8% are white, 39.8 are black. I’m not sure if you can figure out the math for the percent who are Asian or Hispanic, but such is the life of the math challenged.

                      But of course not. The ignorance cited in your article is utterly staggering. About all you seem to have is a filthy mouth, and not much more.

                      Incidentally, I was born in California in 1953, and also lived early on in Illinois and Wisconsin. There was NO Jim Crow in any of those northern or western states. And LBJ’s voting rights act of the early 60s is now over 50 years ago, and the troops called into Little Rock even older, so if that is the demarcation for Jim Crow, it is only those folks who are over 60 who lived in the south. Black population in 2000, according to the US Census was 12.1% of the total population, incidentally.

                      Anyhow, that’s as far as I could get. Ignorance paired with a filthy mouth of yours, I could only get so far.

                    • @RETEST

                      I have already addressed the fact that in absolute numbers that whites are the majority of welfare receipts, and the reasons why blacks are overepresented proportionately. You can check my comments to your cousins to get that info.

                      What I will address is your ignorant statement that “was no Jim Crow of any kind in the north or western states.” Only a brain dead moron could write such nonsense: are you REALLY SAYING that blacks weren’t forced to live in segregated neighborhoods, schools, and public facilities in these states? If such a bullshit statement were true where did Harlem, NY come from? The Southside of Chicago? Let’s be honest how many black people were in your high school graduating class Mr. “I was born in 1953.”

                      I tell you Whiteness is a mental illness…..

                    • Nat what does any of this bullshit have to do with the issue at hand. Our society is collapsing, arguing about who is to blame or who is justified in hastening its demise seems irrelavent to me. You are angry at how things are going brown well join the club. I personally believe that issues dissolving our nation have very little to do with race gut what do I know. You want to be pissed be pissed maybe it will help you survive. Know this though if the scheming bastards behind this mess do manage to make it about race 19% of the population trying to take out about 50% a fifty percent better armed and with more resources will not end well. I find it tragic that we have allowed or selves to be twisted into fighting each other. I’ll tell you buddy I’m white but I Ain’t the enemy.

                • Yep hit the BOL Firing Range today, practiced shooting at some Cans. In SHTF will be Afri-Cans, Mexi-Cans and Puerto Rico-Cans.

                  Amazing how after thousands of years of Black people who claimed to have built the Pyramids have now digressed, to only building Ghettos. Good job there Nat.

                  Facts suck for you.


                • Do you know how many blacks, Hispanics and others are in the military? Whites are very nearly a minority in most branches.

            • If Africa’s so great why are they coming here.

            • Yeah, right. Lagos and Addis are paradisial Edens compared to any US city. A rotting and neglected colonial city core surrounded by the world’s largest and most dangerous slums. Lagos has nearly 20 million people, and only 20 hospitals or clinics, medical infrastructure commonly available to a town of 25,000 people in the US. Cardboard shacks, roofs made of flattened tin cans, the sewer and the street are identical, no infrastructure such as piped water or reliable electricity. A very small modern downtown, heavily policed, and an elite haven, also heavily guarded, for the gov’t employees and white collar work force.

              • @Smokey,

                You are full of shit: the largest city in the world by population is Mexico City, and even that doesn’t have 20 millions. As for your description of downtown Lagos, if it’s true cause I doubt you have been there, how is that any different that the downtowns of some America cities? Certain parts of Manhattan, DC, LA? And again, ask the residents of Flint Michigan about piped water…

                • The metro area of Lagos is estimated at 21,000,000. The urban area of Mexico City is about 20,400,000.

                  If you are only considering strictly within the city limits, then Mexico City beats Lagos by a few hundred thousands.

                  • Nat . You are the perfect example of why we need to deport your kind back to Africa . I’m sure you will love it there. Surrounded by your beautiful black kind. So wonderful. Everyone black . What could be better. Send us a post card.

                    • @LoneLoser,

                      I will take my ass back to Africa when you take your ass back to Europe! The Native Americans didn’t invite either group to this land and as I remember millions of them died trying to send your ancestors back to where they came from….

                    • @Nat
                      When the cracka came to the new land, he came, he saw and he conquered. It’s what we do. Nat Turner couldn’t conquer his own ass even if he had a map.

                    • When the Cracker came to the new World he said, “Where the hell did all the Indians come from?”

                      No, wait, that was General Custer.

                • Incorrect — You should pivot toward Asia to see who has the largest population or city. I can name three that are larger than 20 million.

                  • The native Americans wiped out each other over territory . They kidnapped 12 year old sakajewea and sold her . And that was there life style. As was ours at the time. Now white people aren’t burning down there own neiborhoods. Your people are. Native Americans were canible torture for entertainment rats. Whites were slaves at times . But we always condemned torture . At least the majority of us . They are necklessing in Africa in the middle of the street. Your 15% are committing 50% of the murders in this country. Read Don’t make the black kids angry. There is an epidemic of blacks raping old ladies. If it was the other way around what would you say? Ignorant hippocrats . The average IQ of a black American is 80 . A black African 60 . And you call me a loser? Why should we put up with an enemy we could wipe out in 30 days. .? You should consider your self lucky we are not like you. We think we are civilized. But times they are a changin.

                    • @LoneLoser,

                      Try again with your blushing narrative: if the unemployment and poverty rates in the white community was the same for whites as they are for blacks then you would see a similar murder rate…but this still doesn’t change the fact that 90 percent of the people killed by blacks are other black people, and it’s a similar statistics for whites! And TRUST ME once your masters at the top are done wrecking this country you will see what I am wiriting come to reality….

                      And please cite the source for this “epidemic” of black men raping old ladies lol….

                    • Lone Wolverine..you must get your Native American History info from watching John Wayne Movies. Very Ignorant of any facts. You are one twisted person. All I can say is start at the beginning of American history like 2nd grade and do over. You took a thousand years of history and glossed over it with one incident. Go look up the history of maize. How corn was made. Same with tobacco, conservation of nature, etc. Funny how the ignorant whites label the natives of any country the Whites invade as terrorists. Outright savages who just try to protect what is theirs and their culture from being raped, stolen and exploited. Go read “The Trail of Tears”


                • Typical Nigger BS spew eh. “you never been There!:

                  So..Fuckin What Nat? You never been to the SUN yet you KNOW it is HOT! VERY Hot right?

                  face facts Nat…The biggest negroes problem is that aprox 90-95% of them are niggers period.

                  Look up FBT crime stats publications for each Year going back to about 50 yrs ago. Ever since fbi started to track and record it all.

                  EVERY catagory of VIOLENT Crime rates are dominated by a DISproportionate amount of BLACK males are the Perps.

                  They are about 2-3% gen POP yet commit from 75% to almost 90% of all, in every catagory of the over One Dozen seppeate catagories, violent crimes.

                  And when all the math gets added in to account for POP percentages and numbers of crimes Vs demographics done by blacks etc.

                  You end with a white person, is at least 50-TIMES more likely to get Killed/Murdered BY A Black than a black is to get killed by a white.

                  Thats math Facts and no matter how long Nat wishes to remain in abject nigger denial it wont change Facts.

                  And for You to keep useing old worn out sal alinsky lib dem Kommie tactics and calls of Rayssis! and haters! etc etc…Thats just plain idiotic stupid and a huge waste because today MOST whites have broken free of their forced and false whitey guilt propagandas, once they in fact do the truth researches and discover the huge Hoax done against whiteys and done BY Blacks trained as Pet Monkey agitators of their Master Race jewish handlers.

                  So as long as Nat keeps trying to play and act as the eternal Victim nothing will change other than Nat IS going to see many More whites lose that fake guilt complex.

                  And if niggers are stupid enough to do actual race war on whiteys? Thats when Nat and ape crews will see a revival of that Viking Warrior Spark that remains forever lit Deep within every whiteys soul..only, if Black fool baboons Fan that spark into a full blown Viking Rageing Flame it shall spell the abject end of usa blacks for all but a tiny small FEW smart enough to keep acting as white as they are able to so to survive what YOu types started and We shall Finish.

                  So just stuff that up your now tail-less ass and sulk away like the harmed baboon victim you pretend to be.

                  Blacks main worst enemy is their Own niggers and too bad that numbers aprox 95% of blacks today..Do Not blame whiteys for your stupidity and nigardliness (is that even a real word?!)

                  • I bet “Nat” isn’t black at all. He’s likely a fluffy, white queer…

                    • There are only a few times that I get on here and instantly identify an “Asshole”. It has happened today.

                      When someone starts defending something and insulting people at the same time I see it. We all know who I’m talking about. The constant logic fails and nitpicky factoid correction stream gets tiring.

                      Simple Fact: The biggest problem blacks have are, #1 – The Television. #2 – Themselves, as in, they’ll listen to any black leader like Jackson or Sharpton and allow them to brainwash them into victimhood. #3 – They are slaves to their own stupidy. Its why #2 exists. They are easily used against themselves.

                      I’ve found black people to be very trustworthy and upstanding citizens in the smaller urban areas I visit. But, there are those. I actually find way more white people that are untrustworthy. But, since there are 5 times the white people around, I guess thats statistically normal.

                    • @FakeRanger

                      And where did you get your simple “facts” from?

                    • The words “I bet” should suggest to anyone with a double-digit IQ that there’s an element of gambling here. I believe I’m right. I notice you didn’t deny it. Interesting.

                  • It doesn’t take long to realize that good black people are leary of other black people. They are much more likely to die or be a victim of crime because of other black people. Its all about the lack of fatherhood.

                  • Them guy,

                    All I can say is AWESOME. No truer truth was ever told. That NAGA nat can’t handle the truth.

                    • Son of Liberty: Thanks…Glad to see you too are so wide awake. I have a couple More good replies to nattynegroeboy…But as per Usual..They again remain stuck in Deep Moderation Limbo!

                      You’d think that after Five+ yrs posting here that auto computer email recognition system would finally recognize my replys eh? Meanwhile all sorts and types antiwhitey trolls and Nat the white hater savage can post as many replies as they wish and it gets posted up fast.

                      Very screwey automated systems here I rekon. Or maybe I write too Much real facts based truth eh? Bingo!

            • If Africa is so great . Why aren’t all the blacks moving there.

            • @Nat Turner….

              If it’s so much better in Africa than here, why don’t you just go to Africa?

            • HAHAHAHA! Your stupidity is showing!!

            • With black America being only 13% of the population, your fantasies of a race war in which you win, is just that.A fantasy. Once the dust clears, the last of America’s “African Americans” will be stuffed and on display at the Smithsonian…

              • @Leonard,

                I see you are having wet dreams about what your people did the Native Americans? Want to do that Blacks right? And which race is full of animals again?

                • While I never suggested any “race” “contained” any animals, I can’t absolutely answer your muddled question. IF a “race” DID contain individuals that were actually “animals”, I’d say it would be the one whose members bear a resemblance to certain animals…

                  • @Dumard,

                    You are the one writing about killing off a whole group of people but yet YOU want to compare black people to animals?!? I tell ya: Whiteness is a mental illness…

                    • Whoa,Fluffy, don’t twist my words. I compared no group to animals–you did. You asked me which group would “contain” the most animals. I answered truthfully AND tactfully…

                • Normally I stay out of this kinda shit but Nat, fact is Native Americans made moccasins out of the skin of other competing “Native American” tribes.
                  Civilized enough for you?
                  They would have been over run by ANY other group to North America. Probably better us than Mexico, Spain, Portugal, etc. Manifest destiny, man. Deal with it, it’s in the past.

                  • “Moderation” for the above? You’re kidding, right?

                    • Maybe Leonard don’t make an animal/persons comparision?

                      However I will and Do! It is just too damn obvious that somewheres deep in the past…Some fool male or Female african Black that started out as a real 100% Human, took one gander at the ass side of a baboon or spotted a good lookin Ape or Chimp.

                      And then went ape shit crazy for Sex with whichever animal monkey she or he first spotted!

                      In Fact it was likley more than just one single event or time. Probably once they tried ape or baboon sex it caught on like a forest fire outta control.

                      But all it really would take is just ONE single event that one human black had Beast sex with a ape or baboon and then allowed the baby born to it to Live on!

                      For think on this fact…If the bible is correct, and NOAH’s Three sons could end with 7 billion offspring Today alive, Plus maybe another Ten billion that prior have died off since then?

                      It is No big strech to imagiane that just one single event or time of a human black in africa spotted a good lookin Baboon, got really excited by those huge Red ass cheeks once spotted and went sex crazed ape sex goofy!

                      And then Today 3000-4,000 Yrs later and over a Billion or Two Half-Breeds that Look and ACT even More like real animal apes or baboons than the real animal types does!!

                      Its just too damn obvious eh, only sooo Taboo like that “J” word issues, most white folk are too scared and too PC to speak of it nor admit they too Have thought along this line of thought more than once eh.

                      PS: the Old testement bible contians a verse or two that says something about “be Not as those BEAST-LIKE tribes you have seen”!!!….and another says something close to.

                      ” As You(israelites) have SEEN done by those OF the BEASTLY Tribes!” Do not now recall which exact bible verses? but its In there!

                      With Tons of biblical warnings to NOT Race Mix with Beastly like tribes! IE: it means do NOT make babies with them what screws apes and has kids with baboons eh. Elsewise Your kids shall end up as Half breeds and Twice as fucked up as african savages ever were!

        • Malcolm said that. You know Malcolm- that black man that was shot by another black man.

          • And JFK a white man…..was killed by other white men…….SO what is your point?

            • His Head.

        • The Khazarian Mafia is responsible for spreading death and destruction around the world.

        • Are all whites bad? – I think not.

          • @Jimbo,

            Just reading what we want to see aren’t we?

            • Hey, tell everyone about Detroit.

              • I will tell them right after you talk to everyone about Black Wallstreet…

                • Let’s start with kwame Kilpatrick. Tell us about his shinning honest.

                  • How about George Bush? There is sooo much to talk about, lol.

              • Democrats have been running Detroit for decades along with Baltimore,DC,Chicago,LA and Philadelphia. What have the dems done for you lately? Look at flint with their water problem. Another city run by dems,another problem created…..

                • @Jim in Trailerpark

                  Such a dummy: and what exactly have the Republicans brought to the table? You do know it was REPUBLICAN lead effort to ship all the good pay jobs overseas that “hard working” white Americans such as yourself no longer have access to?

                  YOU DO KNOW that it was a Republican lead effort to break the unions in this country and that is part of the reason why wages for all Americans haven’t grown in real purchasing power since the 1970s?

                  YOU DO KNOW it was a Republican president, your boy Bush Jr., that lead this country into two disasterous wars that have bankrupted this country?

                  And the funny thing is I am not even a Democrat….I released long ago that neither party represents my interests. Doesn’t matter if it is Hitlary or Trump….we are all fucked!

            • “Just reading what we want to see aren’t we?”

              Yes you are.

        • Nat Turner, I’ll be your Huckleberry. I’m sure some wise ole Negro Chicken plucker first uttered the words, “Dem dare Chickens done Cumming home to Roost,” but the High-Yellow Negro who made the saying famous was Malcolm X when referring to the Zio-Anglo execution of JFK back in the ’60’s. please forward my $10 winnings as a donation to the daily stormer dot com.

          • @Nubbin,

            A man (or woman) who has cracked open a book….I’m impressed. Your cash is on its way!

            • Nat, gotta give it to you, commenting with a bunch of crackers about slavery.
              Takes balls.
              I am not a racist, I hate everyone equally.
              Till one shows me they are worth trusting.

              Not an easy job either…

              Be well sir…

              • Thanks Eppe. Just calling people out on their bullshit: it’s amazing to me how some “people” always want to blame poor black people in the ghetto for all of societies ills like any of these racist ass people live around Black people in the first place…

                • Funny how people think.
                  I would like to see people as they really are, not what they protray what they want you to see.
                  Would be cool to see the racist side of everyone disappear.
                  I know, dreaming again….

                • Nat turner’s back with his shuck-n’-jive.

                  • And big, bad, chest-thumping Brave is here with his racist cracker 60 IQ bloviations……see, full equality. 🙂

                    • Hey Silent Eyes,
                      Nailed it.

                    • Silent Eyes, go take a flying leap.

                    • You are using the word cracker . And calling him a racist? If you are not a racist . You are a liar or stupid. Everyone is a racist. Or stupid. Take your pick?

                • This article features black people. Why not stay on topic. If this article was about white people rioting it would be easy to talk about white people.

                • You’re kidding, right?Has someone here actually blamed po’ black folk of burning cities because a po’ black man stole (“stoled” as they say in the “hood’)a car, then pointed a stolen gun at the cops and got what he had coming? I say: justice for Sylville Smith! Dig him up and shoot him again. And again. And again…

            • Nat Turner, Thank you.
              You must be one of the good ones, Articulate, Bright, and clean. Kind of Main Stream.

              Sadly, I have cracked on a book or two in my day. From all I have learned, it doesn’t look good for us Whites at this time in history.
              The organized Zio-Anglo alliance dealt us a great set-back in 1945.

              However, as bad as is your view of the White mans’ prior conquest of your ancestral homeland, I would suggest that you keep an eye on the new Sino-colonizers of Africa.
              The new Chinese occupiers will be much sterner task-masters (as evidenced by the way they currently treat their own lower classes) then the White (Christian) colonizers
              ever thought to be:



              Take Care and Stay Low

              • And who exactly are the “good white people”? You do know that most people regardless of race are NOT articulate? And what exactly do mean by ” clean” and mainstream?

                • By “clean” he means whatever your hero Joe Biden meant when he said the following about Obama:

                  “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”

                  You’re not keeping up with your memes.

                  • @fakeArchivisr,

                    Is your name Nubbin? Exactly..so your opinion about “clean” means nothing unless you really are Nubbin and are using multiple names which would show how much of a sucker you really are. Ohh…and I don’t keep up with “memes” I have more important things to do with my life.

                    • Like make up stuff and make totally illogical statements.

                    • @FakeArchivist,

                      Excellent reply! Great to see that superior white “intellect” at work, lol.

        • your own people sold you into slavery Nat…..

          • And there were Jews who worked for the Nazis during WW2. Does that mean Germans are not responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews?

            • Like George Soros.

            • Probably not, since that number was just pulled out of someone’s butt with no basis in fact.

              • @Loser Archivist

                Ohhh…like your statement “Since 1950 there have been only 4,000 lynchings.” Did you get that out your ass too?

                • “Researchers said they determined that 3,959 black people were killed in ‘racial terror lynchings’ in a dozen Southern states between 1877 and 1950.”

                  ht tps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/02/10/even-more-black-people-were-lynched-in-the-u-s-than-previously-thought-study-finds/?utm_term=.ae51d34e09c9

                  Note: I said “before” 1950, not “after.” Pay attention.

                  Also, don’t feel special. There were close to 1,300 white people lynched during the same period of time.

                  I haven’t stooped to calling you names.

                  BTW, the 6,000,000 figure actually was pulled out of thin air by one single man and has been parroted continuously ever since, without any evidence of the real figures (which are probably much, much lower).

                  • @LoserArchivist’

                    You know demand well that number was more than 4,000: many of the lynching were covered up or miscatorized. And if this bullshit was true it still doesn’t count THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER BLACKS who were shot, cut up, dragged, burned, blown up, beat to death, and raped BY WHITE PEOPLES just for being black!

                    And as far as the 6 million figure please tell all of us who this “mysterious” figure was who made it up.

                    • Try this…do note I cite my data.

                      “Jewish prophecies in the Torah require that 6 million Jews must ‘vanish’ before the state of Israel can be formed. ‘You shall return minus 6 million.’ That’s why Tom Segev, an Israeli historian, declared that the ‘sacred 6 million’ is an attempt to transform the holocaust story into state religion… Those six million, according to prophecy, had to disappear in ‘burning ovens,’ which the judicial version of the holocaust now authenticates… ‘Without the Holocaust, there would be no Jewish State.’”

                      ht tps://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=6017

                    • They are pretty sure about the number of lynchings, because they were highly-publicized, well-attended events. Almost all of them were covered by the newspapers.

                      You would know that if you had bothered to follow the link I posted. Or if you could understand it.

                      You can find the number guy yourself, if you can actually formulate a search in Google.

                      Dumb as a box of hammers doesn’t even begin to cover it.

                    • @FakeArchivist,

                      Not all of the lychings were “well published” and “well attended.” Emitt Till A 14 YEAR OLD KID wasn’t and neither were the hundreds of black soldiers who lynched in their military uniforms DURING AND AFTER WWI AND WW2. Did the link include these facts? Please tell me Mr. All seeing and all knowing white man. Please come and “educate” this stupid ol darkie?

                    • rednek- The joos 6 million figure was created back in the late 1800’s well before WW2, and is used as religious Joo propaganda, to create this victim status, to exploit the naïve and gullible. More like 250k, which many died from dysentery, not any oven which is another fabrication.

                      20 million Russians died in WW2. 10 Million Military and 10 Million civilians, but you don’t see the Russians crying like whining sissys, begging for donations 70 years later, do ya? The US lost 400K Military and NO Civilians.

                      Here are the stats by Nation of the death tolls in WW2.
                      ht tp://www.warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/deaths.htm

                      Hope you all like Facts, over BS Zionist propaganda.


            • Who would of been responsible for the japs in the enternment camps if we were loosing the war an ran out of food to feed them. The American people? The Jews declared war on Germany in 1933 what should they have done with them. Let them run loose . We didn’t let the japs run loose. Or the Germans or the Italians. We had camps for them too. And the Germans were in the camps longest. All of WW2 were lies. We helped the communists enslave half of Europe. Deny that.

        • bologna

        • Remember it was blacks that sold blacks to be brought over here. If blacks hadn’t sold their fellow tribesman, there wouldn’t have been slavery in this country. I’d be more pissed at my fellow tribesman for selling me than the person that bought me.

        • No we are waiting for you, with decades of pent up rage.
          Tired of pretending to love you when what most of us feel is quite the reverse. Tired of being bused into ghetto areas to achieve school integration. Tired of hearing how everything is be racist. Tired of supporting the negroe with WIC checks, Section 8 Housing, Head Start programs,EBT, phony SSI disability checks,TANF,………..Tired of being forced to hire and associate with the negroe. Tired of negroes killing, raping, robbing….

          • Zap

            I know it is there but I am past the race part of it. Today I am going to install more eyelets to save time. I can removed them if nothing happens. When you think about it, we better worry about those Raiders more than the blacks rioting.

          • @Zap,

            Still talking your white supremacist bullshit. When did white people pretend to love black people? Was it during slavery? Was it during Jim Crow? Was it when white people were lynching black soldiers in their uniforms? Was it when white people fed black babies to crocodiles as bait? Was it when white people attacked and burned down black business because they thought the “niggers were doing better than them?”

            And for the record:

            WIC – mostly white people

            Section 8 – mostly white people

            SSI – mostly white people

            As for the rest of the crap you wrote it is just different names for welfare, which is again mostly used by white people…

            • Yes Nat mostly white in all three categories. By sheer raw numbers because whites are well over 50% of the U.S. population. Blacks are 13 %. But a far higher percentage of the total “Black” population is on these welfare programs. You hide behind statistics when they suit your convenience; but you know the truth. Sadly, liberal black jack assess like yourself always make excuses for your failing, miserable, and mostly fatherless community……inner-city blacks.
              Can you do math Nat? In simple ghetto terms here it is. If you have 100 whites then 20% of them are on some form of welfare. If you have 100 blacks the number is normally double, around 40% depending on which year you go by. Simple fucking math Nat. I know it doesn’t fit your liberal Obama agenda but sorry facts are facts.

              • @Dead3

                Yea asshole I can do math: blacks have poverty and umployment rates that are 2 to 3 times as high when compared to whites SO DUH blacks would be a greater proportion. And as for making excuses: WHO OWNS AND RUNS THIS COUNTRY? White people! But yet I got to read you losers blaming black, brown, and red people for all of your fucking problems but damn near all the people of power in this country are white!!

                • I rest my case. Typical black mentality: blame whitey for all your failures as a group. Nuff said

                • As a matter of fact, you show little ability to do math, or even conduct basic research or evidence a modicum a deductive reasoning. All you have is a filthy mouth, and nothing more. Please go to some other site, and quit insulting the intelligence of readers here.

        • http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/ism/slavery/africa/capture_sale

          European traders captured some Africans in raids along the coast, but bought most of them from local African or African-European dealers. These dealers had a sophisticated network of trading alliances collecting groups of people together for sale.

          Most of the Africans who were enslaved were captured in battles or were kidnapped, though some were sold into slavery for debt or as punishment. The captives were marched to the coast, often enduring long journeys of weeks or even months, shackled to one another. At the coast they were imprisoned in large stone forts, built by European trading companies, or in smaller wooden compounds.

          When the slave ships arrived from Europe they were laden with trade goods. Captains offered gifts to local (African leaders) and paid taxes for the right to trade. They then began the serious business of barter and exchange, offering a wide variety of trade goods such as textiles, firearms, alcohol, beads, manillas and cowries.

          So you see, once again…blame whitey for all your woes. When it was your African Leaders who sold out your african descendents.

          • ancestors not descendents

            • “Africans sold their own people as slaves” is a stock argument White Americans use when the subject of slavery comes up.

              First, simply as an argument of fact it fails:

              Africa was not a country. Africans were not selling “their own”, they were selling their enemies, just as the Greeks and Romans once did. Africa, then as now, was made up of different countries. They were no more selling “their own” than, say, “Europeans” were killing “their own” during the Holocaust.
              And it overlooks a few other things:

              Most African countries did not sell slaves and some even fought against it. But because Europeans back then could control the supply of guns there was little Africans could do to stop it.
              The Transatlantic slave trade was on a much greater scale than anything the Africans or anyone else ever did in the history of slavery. Countries were destroyed and millions died. Over 12 million were sold in less than 400 years, something so huge that it changed the genetic map of the world.
              The Transatlantic slave trade was racist. The African slave trade, for all of its other ills, was not that. Neither was the Greek and Roman slave trade. So slavery in places like Haiti, Barbados and America was much more cruel.
              As a moral argument it fails too:

              It uses what I call the Arab Trader argument: it excuses an evil of one’s own past by finding the same sort of evil done by others. Whites sold slaves, but Africans and Arab traders did too! Which, morally speaking, is at the same level as an eight-year-old saying, “He did it too!” when caught doing something bad. We do not accept this argument from eight-year-olds, nor from bank robbers or wife beaters. “Africans did it too!” is no better.
              But it is as a derailing argument that it comes into its own:

              Its main purpose is to draw attention away from what whites did by turning the tables. That part of their past makes White Americans uncomfortable. But instead of facing up to it, they have built up defences against it.

              • I am not uncomfortable with the fact that my ancestors owned slaves, or that further back in the past some of my ancestors were slaves to someone else.

                The important fact is that you’re not a slave now, and you need to leave the Democrat plantation. The Democrats are worse than slave-owners because they don’t even use their own money to feed their slaves. They take mine, when I don’t really have enough, and give it to someone else in exchange for their vote.

        • Nat,
          I copied this from another on the web, I want your honest opinion?

          LEAD POISONING is a plague in the poor areas of American Democrat one party rule mega cities. It is insidious and causes serious life long brain damage. Even in its lesser forms, one of the key areas of the brain it attacks is the center that controls our inhibitions, and decisions. People who had lead poisoning as children, tend to make very, very bad life choices, even deadly choices. Our prisons are full of adults who as children were poisoned by lead, and just fail to grasp the lines of morality in a social society. Our murder statistics attest to the effects of lead poisoning since lead was removed from gasoline.

          Here’s a site that has heat maps that show lead poisoning for major cities all around the US and the world http://urbanleadpoisoning.com It also discusses lead poisoning effects.

          I’ll use Chicago as an example.

          Please look at the map, it shows in red, the areas that have the highest lead poisoning levels, upwards of 10 to 20% of the population is compromised with significant lead poisoning. Another source http://illinoisaap.org/2010/08/chicago-neighborhood-areas-map-lead-levels/

          Next look at the map that shows the most violent crime areas. Another source http://www.mappery.com/map-of/Chicago-2006-Violent-Crime-Map

          Next look at this map that displays the population spread of ethnic groups in Chicago. Another source http://chicago.straightdope.com/sdccensus3.php . Look who gets to live in the worst lead poisoning areas. Can anyone miss the obvious patterns?

          America has experienced a wonderful decrease in crime and murder for decades. If you overlay the US crime statistics with lead levels in American children, due to the removal of lead in gasoline, your eyes will be opened. That steady drop in violent crime over the last thirty+ years is not an accident, or coincidence. Remember it takes twenty years to raise a human child, so there is a long delay in reduced crime if lead is eliminated. However, since Democrats managed to corral African Americans in lead infested slums in America’s super-cities, they also turned them into voter slaves, who Democrats would bring to the polls once a year using advanced propaganda techniques, so they could steal a nation politically.

          Don’t doubt the resolve of Democrats to keep chemically brain damaged minorities locked in their Democrat controlled super cities as slaves to insure their lock on power. Democrats should be terrified of the day African Americans figure out the Democrat modern slave game.

          When I look at these heat maps that show lead poisoning in our cities, they look like chemical warfare maps to me!

          • Nat,
            Are you there?

            Why am I just hearing crickets?

        • First I believe that pos Malcolm queer zero made the ignorant comment. Second bring it on bitch. We are very ready for the gimme dat crowd here in da burbs (trying to use ignorant ghetto lingo so you can keep up). Notice I used a period at end of parenthesis per APA 6 th edition but your ignorant n I g g e r ass would not even understand what that is. Unfortunate as it is to bring up this topic since I’m regurgitating to the shtf followers what we already know is that your kind is very unendowed in terms of intelligence. I know I know the Hebrews try to make you feel better by putting out bbc phallusy porn (pun intended) to make your people feel like they had atleast one redeeming value. Of course we all know that is about as true as a groid with an iq above 80! Or a job. So please go to whatever ghetto shack you came from. If you feel the need please come to the suburbs for radiation therapy you will not be disappointed and your lil Mandingo will take its rightful place up your ass. Take your money and donate to the daily storm. Every time one of hear incidents occur I donate heavily to the daily storm and to police lives matter because we all know that black lives DO NOT matter! Your kind proves it daily.
          SOL !

          • @Son of a Retard

            I don’t even feel the need to respond: I can tell you are an inadequate white male just from your post. Mandigo? LMAO!

            • Gnat,
              Got your attention nigger troll. Lmfao at u and your phallusy lil dingo. Bahahahahaha. Bring it Bitch!

      18. What do you do if that shit comes to your neighborhood? Lock and load, of course. First piece of shit that tries to torch my house or vehicles is going to need a coroners wagon. What a stupid question.

      19. “This room needs to have a heavy exterior door instead of a regular hollow core interior door.”

        I live in an old house that doesn’t have hollow core doors. All the doors are solid wood. I think it might be a good idea for people to replace interior doors with real wood doors.

        Also, my exterior doors have to be unlocked with keys, both inside and outside.

        • Arch,is that a good idea if you have kids,even not,home filled with say smoke/gas may be a bitch getting out if you use a door,you have alternates and all family members know about it,say a escape ladder from window,perhaps not such a issue.

        • One of the best home upgrades you can do is replace your builder-grade interior doors with good solid doors. I did my place for less than $1200, which was 11 doors and included three exterior-grade doors for the garage/house/laundry interface and the master bedroom. These all got deadbolts as well as locking knobs.

          I like to think it improves the security a bit, and the sound levels between rooms is much reduced.

          • Smokey – we live in a forest fire prone area, so one upgrade that was easy to justify was replacing the vinyl siding on our house with hardy board (concrete and wood fiber) which is fire proof. So whether is it forest fire or Molotov cocktail we will be better off. Also have sprinklers and garden hose ready to go to place on the roof in a moments notice.

            • Consider hurricane film on windows, for at least the first floor. I added 8 mil security/hurricane film when there was a threat from an employee my wife had to lay off. It can stop a 2×4 moving at 60mph.

              The idea for me was to keep out a home invader. I have three sliders and they are all easy entry points, just smash the glass. As well two sliders and the front door provide a nexus point access to the core of my house. Security film makes those sliding doors lousy entry points. The bad guy will make tons of noise breaking in, and it will take much longer than the bad guy expects. The unexpected is your force multiplier.

              There is better film that can stop bullets, but that version is big pricey. I’ve considered that for the master bedroom, and my library/ data room.

              I’m reminded of the CA police hunting their own rouge cop. Anytime they thought they had him cornered they shot incendiary tear gas rounds into the building that burned the building down. The tear gas rounds were shot through windows, even simple Huricane film would stop wimpy police arson attempt tear gas rounds as well as idiots trying to toss Molotov cocktails through windows.

          • I’ve been a carpenter forever . If you screw a piece of 3/4 inch plywood on the hollow door . It’s cheaper than a steel or solid door.

            • LW,
              I’ve been wanting to do this. My master bedrooms main wall is the two story entry foyers second floor, an attacker could shoot through the wall, but they’d need ladders or to fly to get through. The other walls adjoin the bathroom with plumbing mirrors counters and cabinets, again not real easy to get through.

              The door is the weak link, so I like your idea. I can certainly precisely cut the door to save the pretty facia that match all the other doors. I’d go for a sheet oak ply. Ply stinks to attach hinges to, so the entire internal door frame would need to be replaced and reinforced. It’s a lot of work.

              Would my finished product be stronger than a fiberglass door? Which would be hardest to get through?

              Anyone have an idea what kind of door police hate most?

      20. Good read…
        ht tps://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/aug/17/lost-cities-8-mystery-ahokia-illinois-mississippians-native-americans-vanish

        • Vanishing people,perhaps they became a violent mob and ,well,some one came up with ,hmmmm….,perhaps,uhmmmmm….,a ,solution?One of a permanent nature,perhaps,mmmmmm…..,a final solution?

          • War, makes one wonder?
            New Ancient Aliens was on, pretty good.
            Subject matter was on crashed ET craft over the last 70 years have led us to all the new technologies we have now.
            Where did the Mayans disappear to?

            True truth Dammit!…

            • There are several million Mayan descendants around the Yucatan. They are usually a very quiet people.

      21. Let em come…after a few bodies drop they will skedaddle,they don’t want to die either. Hit em quick and hard. Nobody invited them in but they will leaving dead or barely alive.

      22. Its highly doubtful that the inner city rioters would organize in number, get transportation and travel to the white suburbs to commit mayhem. Spillover in a bordering neighborhood is a possibility.

      23. Great article, well thought out!!

      24. Black guy explains why blacks will loose a race war. Best stay in your own neighborhoods and burn them down!

        • Best love your Christian neighbour some… hmmm!

      25. Great article !!!

      26. Civil unrest just destroys neighborhoods and communities. It does not take the government out of power, nor does it reduce their power in any way.

        It does take away more of whatever freedoms we have left, including (but not limited to) when they impose curfews and all of the innocent law-abiding residents are in lock down, even after the criminals have left.

      27. Having been a “real Cop”, 60’s to 80’s, DC metro area, IF you are on here, you are at least on board. If you live in a ‘cookie-cutter’ sub-division or Apt. Bldg., you are basically fucked. This scenario is why God created 30 rd. mags. In my experience, take out the leaders, and most w/flee. ANY group from biker gangs to low income rioters, fall apart when nobody is egging them on. All of what Daisy mentioned, should have been anticipated ahead of time, DO NOT GET CAUGHT TRYING TO GET HOME….pay attention. IF you are in place, w/no contingency plan to get to a safe haven ahead of time, park your cars across the front of your house for a fall-back cover. You NEED a a semi-auto AR/AK, w/multiple reloads. Meet the group “up the street from your house”, and pile them up….fall back and repeat, most will flee. Never stay in one position, per mag. By the time you get to your “BLACKED-OUT” house, they’ll probably have retreated. If not, buckshot is your friend. Never rely on a handgun, it is a weapon of last resort, and if that is your mindset, trust me, trying to hit multiple targets, in darkness, w/effective fire, is next to impossible, under the instant scenario we are discussing. Great, if you are a ‘good shot’ when awakened on a home invasion.

      28. I’ve had the privilege of meeting hard working black folk. On the job & dependable. You think they are part of the group that would loot & burn? This I doubt.

        • You’d never know half of all US blacks are middle class if you just watched the news.

          • Race traitors.? Look at our situation. Will it get better . You are a very big problem. But not for long.

      29. Rioters in Ferguson did not respect gates, doors or locks – but they did respect the AR-15s being held by several store owners standing in front of their businesses.

        I had forgotten about black out windows until a couple weeks ago – I bought a big box of 55 gallon 4 mil contractor bags.

      30. Degal.com


      31. “When socialism comes to the Sahara, there will even be a shortage of sand.”

        Polish saying under the communists

      32. We need all the shit we got, too.


      33. Well jimbo how do we pick the good from the bad in the thick of the fight? It will be another tragedy . But how else will civilization survive? Good intentions have gotten us here. On the road to hell. Collateral damage ? We don’t want this. Or do we? Are we just sick of hearing about Muslims blacks Hispanics Jews. Can’t we make them all just go away. Leave us alone. Or die. The clocks ticking. The time is coming. We can see the future if we don’t act. We are stocking up and getting ready. We will not go quietly. We are screamers. David Crockett .

      34. Ime and a few guys I know in the hood will block the entry roads into the neighborhood and guard it. Other neighbors would volunteer I’m sure and they could go patrolling making sure no one sneaks in on foot. The wife and kids will be home with the doors locked and the guage ready for battery. Not gonna let niggers burn my hood because the police are too afraid to do their job.

      35. I’ve worked with race in 40 odd yrs in the packing house, white, black, red, yellow, brown and yes, even a few green people. You know the ones that show up for work the morning after payday and they weren’t limited to any one race. I’ve worked with the gun-ho ones, the steady eddies, the brown nosers, the f— ups and the f— offs and yes the trouble makers. Some of them I would have like to call a friend, but because of work scheduling, I didn’t get to know them other than ” Hi, how are you. how’s the family”

      36. What will we do when it comes to our hood.? We will listen to our idiot bimbos and do nothing until we are exterminated.

      37. Violence is never the answer. Just lay down and die like a good politically correct idiot. The bimbos know what’s right. No violence. Just shut up and die. That’s what’s best. Never never violence. Payback will be a bitch bimbos. And I can’t wait.

      38. Yea yea then move to Africa or Mexico and see what happens to your Lilly white pink chicken skin ass. And I don’t mean a three star hotel . Move to the real third world. And get done dirty. Then come back and tell us why they all want to come here. To get away from there own kind.

      39. When I walk outside I always have a 1911 on one side and a 12″ bowie sheathed on the other hip…

        We have had several couples buy chickens and never come back because I carry. Mostly city types…

      40. It all seems so unnecessary and mean.

      41. When its all said and done if your house is flammable odds are it will be burnt. When the wind starts carrying the heat and flames from one structure to the next a rifle cant stop it.

        • A: George soros needs a gallows

          B: A rifle will take out some bad actors and maybe make them think twice.

          C: When the paid rabble rousers are removed, the rest will forget how bad they want violence.

          Maybe my house will be lost but we can end this madness.

      42. Old guy is right. You must make your preps fire proof. Steel shed in back yard. Triple dry wall basement or storage room. Get on it.

      43. 7.62×51 precision AR from an overwatch position,
        Anything gets near the property that isnt in uniform or wearing a badge will be target practice

        • Does that include the Fedex guy who got the address mistaken, Nailbanger?

          • Definitely!

          • Naaah! They wear uniforms…

            • Not to mention i know her and she grew up 10 minutes from where i did,

      44. Let’er burn. 100% rocks here, buried (except for S-SW) to include vehicles, and it’s a fireproof ‘facia’ of sorts. Course, if there was a fire it would mean an entire national forest has just been burnt flat, so breathing may be a new subject to stock up on. Nothing else matters when you can’t breathe.

      45. Bring It On. This will help weed out the contributors to society to the non contributors. I carry all of the products on my website as much as I can.

      46. It’s strange, yet for the wife and I and for all the years we’ve been prepping around, not once did it ever enter our minds that we’d walk into a Race War (I’m speaking of times before the Internet was born, and to use what DID exist would cost me long distance to an 800 ‘access number’, then a Kermit Handshake (1200 Baud), and then about 8 hours of downloading my first picture of some nice babe posed up against a round wheel for knife-throwing). Still got it …somewhere.

        Anyway, since we never took into account such a thing, we’ve added to the numbers of ‘used brass casings’ and available primers, etc. I’m unsure how much more one may need but I figure another 5,000 or so can’t hurt, and I’ll still have reserve for building nearly as many again, if the brass survives (and it always has except for the well-know POS casings some companies use …yet they have been weeded out I hope).

        For me, I prefer to get NATO 7.62x51mm’s “as found”, bagged up and sent to me. I’ll ‘swager’ the primer, super-clean with stainless-media in a tumbler (until it’s beautiful), set the length (OAL), load up a primer into a ‘bed’ of 50 casings, carefully powder them up then taper those bullets into place (with whichever method is recommended for you). NATO brass is thicker by nature and take 15% less than a commercial .308, yet most reloaders often prefer using one less grain (depending) or even less. Of course, this makes heavy brass take little or no stress. Many of my NATO’s have been loaded up over 35 times, while NO commercial casing has ever lasted that long for me before splitting (and I anneal every time), all calibers …it does make a difference to perfectionists. 🙂

      47. Why does my comment no appear?

        • Dahrma;
          Grammar police.

          • skeptic, you ass. I had to clean coffee and Bailey’s off my keyboard. 🙂

      48. Gee… wonder if she had said “Take that s**t to HOLLYWOOD, or the bankster heaven of the Hamptons? How about “take that sh** to Geo. Soros place?” Hey, I’m just asking what would have happened if she had said that….

      49. I like reloader guys.
        Most my ammunition is Berdan primed
        steel ammo. I’m banking on the evil
        of human kind. I’m thinking I can always
        buy black market tyrant ammo from crooked cops
        or soldiers. I’m not
        betting on law obedient Americans.
        You fools that obey Democrat laws
        will die.

        • Thats why im not too terribly worried,
          The touchy feely libtard democrats over here will be falling over themselves trying to figure out what went wrong and the LEOs will have long since gone home, the gov will be so wrapped up in dealing with the continent we will be all but forgotten over here

          • Same here, Nail. Comforting, huh? 🙂

            • Definitely

          • Then you could go back into farming?

            • Farming is nice, it takes the fun out of it pushing the hell out of your place to make a buck, and for what? None of the people buying your stuff care, so neither do I.

        • Yes rellik. The stupid cowards need to be culled.

      50. First rule,if rioting begins in or near your area, fill up your bathtubs with water. Why? Drinking water and having buckets near will aid in putting out fires quickly. Flour is also very helpful.
        For weapons,yes keep a sidearm on you as a backup.
        Primary weapon should be an AK or AR with a flashlight, laser and/or a red dot optic for night use. If you can afford it have a night vision scope, but the others are more affordable and useful at night. Just my 2 cents.

      51. Face it. If it weren’t for J*ws, non of this crap would be happening.!!

        Ya, it’s political hard core to suggest the poor Religious victims of scapegoats actually are responsible for The Blacks Bad attitude toward whites, but examine the facts.

        J*ws brought the blacks to the Americas for slaves.
        “. Owned the plantations, slave ships, and the slaves
        “. Own the media that spews and spins information
        The media portrays white Christians as responsible for what they, the J*ws actually think
        And what J*ws do yo blacks
        “. J*ws, not whites, print money, make loans, run schools, run Wall Street, run Government,
        J*ws are the most racist, self chosen Supremists on planet earth
        “. J*w teach that everyone is an animal but them
        “. J*ws are globalists and they created Communism
        “. J*ws pushed for open borders to disrupt American way of life
        “. J*ws started the NAACP, the KKK, the Feminist/Communist/Abortionist movements
        “. J*ws like George Soros pay blacks to riot and stir up hatred toward whites but
        Because J*ws run the Courts and the Government, these J*w instigators get away with
        Murder literally. The j*ws get a free pass to murder who ever they want.
        “. J*ws are running our lives and pitting Blacks against Whites
        “. J*ws are responsible for White genocide here in America, in Europe (starting with Germany), and in South Africa where whites are being murdered every day.
        “. J*ws want one mixed race to be their slaves in J*w utopian global Supremacy

        Blacks killing whites is stupid.


        • Wow….holy retards Batman.

          • “. J*ws started… the KKK??????

            Nathan Bedford Forrest is Jewish????

            • rats! moderation again!?

              let me try one more time.

              “. J*ws started… the KKK??????

              Nathan Bedford Forrest is J**ish????

            • He pronounced that word: “Jeeeeooooh”

        • exactly… just follow the money bank rolling it all and then their 2000 year old hasidic history.

          same hasidic zionist sheeit different century.

          sjw whites blacks muslims and aryans are the “puppets” of their hasidic zionist puppet masters.

        • Spot on my friend… AND for you folks that worship the J*den, read Henry Ford’s book The International J*we. He wrote it in 1920.

        • My great grandfather was a polish Jew that served in the Russian Imperial army as a carpenter. All he did was make furniture.
          Pretty damn wide brush you paint with.

          • Yes rellik. But forever we have been trying to separate the good from the bad . And it’s not working . What do you want us to do? Lay down and die .? You Jews can’t stop the Jewish mafia . Or you are a small part financing it . Your Jewish people have been deported from over 100 countries . WHY . For what you and yours are doing right now. Can you blame us. What else can we do with a forieign body that has allegence to isreal first. Your people have somehow managed to own the American media banks and government . And you are only 2 % of the population. Just like you did in Russia when your people killed the entire Romanov family. And what you did in Germany to star WW2. You should all move to isreal. Before it’s too late. The world is waking up . Your WW2 lies are being found out. Your days are numbered. Go easy now or hard later.

            • I’m a Lutheran( the strict da kine).
              I hate Democrats, which means most Joos.
              As for being Gods Chosen people,
              that maybe the case, but I’ll
              crack some crab, eat some popcorn,
              drink some beer and watch how it works out.

        • B from CA – Like your post and I agree.

          Also, to add to your list; most U.S. Dentists (not all, but most) are jays. They use Mercury for fillings on the non-jay/gents, but not in their own mouth, and not usually in another jays mouth, because they know mercury causes health problems and also suppresses the immune system.

          So you can add that to your list if you want.

      52. Why is her rant not racist? Is this not inciting a riot? This will continue until the next chimp out is crushed with the same violence.

      53. Do it. im tired of waiting for this shit to happen, so many have no idea whats coming. Opsec learn it folks by giving your plans out online even if it is just a sliver of the plan, your helping the enemy to learn and adapt to your stated tactics. Bragging to anyone how many preps youve got or how your going to proceed to take down an assailant is dumb especially if your worried about the recourse of law after shtf.
        Smarten up folks dont make it easy for the bad guys. I know because i go read the new black panthers an blms websites, facebook and tweets, know your enemy is one of the first and oldest tactics of war.

      54. 90 round beta clips.. Well stock of ammo, a few AR15s , purched up
        High on a dead end street… Drop em like flies.. If they don’t belong in my hood that is what will happen..

      55. Um. They will take it to the burbs until the burbs take it to them.
        Seriously. Right after those protests?… riots last week, I looked at what businesses suffered. Two were liquor stores. That was jes for fun, don’t you know. A good way to gang rob some booze. One was a hair shop owned by an Asian. Many blacks are mad that Asians have cornered the lucrative black beauty business across the country… but whose fault is that? They got a bank… maybe they needed some money??? A gas station… cash register??? And an auto parts store. Idiots shot themselves in the foot. Theyr’e not going to take it to the suburbs. Why? Because this isn’t an organized protest… it’s an excuse for these hoods to loot whatever is closest.

      56. AMERICAISM not globalism.

        VOTE TRUMP.

      57. This woman is right to say they should not burn down their own services… self defeating.
        This woman is wrong to lead riots to well-armed suburbs where citizens will shoot them. At this time, police protect rioters and criminals from the population at large. Push it into the suburbs and rural areas and police may not be able to protect ghem. Foolish to push it.

        • PUSH IT, Rebecca have you ever witnessed real violence up close and personal. Your ignorance and naïveté is breathtaking.

      58. You have a token …. how nice.

      59. If it gets bad enough to where they start showing up in my neighborhood and threatening my block, taking them out and burying them in the backyard will not be a problem.
        I work days, nights, weekends and holidays to live in a safe place, if people that cant keep their own neighborhoods safe want to endanger mine, they better bring overwhelming force.

        • bingo Lena!

      60. After I prepped with the normal “prepper stuff”, I added a couple drones to have an “eye in the sky”. My drones have a 25 minute flight time, with real-time video feedback to my monitor. At 400 ft up, (The legal limit…) they’re not easy to shoot down, (By thugs with handguns, anyway..)and I can get a great view of how far away the mob is from my home.

        • Those little quad rotors would be tough to shoot down period,,,,a friend has a few that are painted light blue, can barely see the damn thing even if you know exactly where to look, and when its 200′ off the ground is impossible to find. But the pictures it sends back are excellent, sorta takes the sport out of hunting when you use em

      61. Mac, Mid afternoon, Friday, I submitted a comment, that hasn’t showed up. I felt that it was informative & cogent to the story, based on decades of experience and training in violent crowd/control situations. I’m new here, (posting), and wondered if I erred somehow. Was it just missed, it was med/length, an I go out of my way w/spelling & grammar. Please advise……Thxz, R.

        • Missed it — apologies

          • 10-4.

      62. Since this is a dead thread:
        In response to nutria’s (WWTI-swamp rat) question.
        You are a really stupid jerk that takes what you read here and flip your life around to match that mindset.
        Just because a lady remembers me as a common used term now, you are grasping at straws.
        Living a deer camp life, been there done that. I like the luxuries of electricity.
        If you like what you have done in the last 15 months, more power to you.
        And as for gigging me all the time, it gets fucking old. Too dense to understand that?
        My group was formed 20 years ago. I have the bol, the others have the weapons.
        When are you going to understand that we were doing this shit way before you ever graced this site?
        Maybe you are regretting your latest move, and are lashing out on me for no real reason at all.
        And primitive camping in the 70’s was prepping before prepping was prepping.

        Stupid is as stupid does…

        • Prepper tip.
          Get as much heavy duty aluminum foil as you can stock.
          Cooked many a meal on campfires.
          Add meat, veges, spices, liquids, even fruit.
          But one has to seal the foil tight, drag out some coals, and in time you have a great meal.
          Did cattail root and fiddlehead ferns once, awesome…
          Eat well all…

          • And killer tin foil hats too…

        • This POS Admitted Liar eppe,, just admitted he does not have any weapons. Mr Big Guy prepper survivalist has no security weapons. Read this:

          eppe says:
          Comment ID: 3600179

          August 20, 2016 at 11:10 am My group was formed 20 years ago. I have the bol, the others have the weapons.

          You don’t have any BOL either you sold your land last year paid off your house and bought your wife a vehicle. So why do you lie so much you FRAUD. BOL my ass. LIAR!!

          You need to be exposed as the biggest liar on this board.


          • Wrong as usual.
            Why do you take my posts and warp it to your messed up mind?
            This was a cool site till you came along…

            • Nutria the hate troll…

              • Slander is not your strong suit.
                You asked if I had ARs and AKs, I do not.
                My brother in laws in our group have all the black guns. Mine are commom shotguns, rifles, pistols and revolvers.
                That was what you asked in your post that disappeared, being the condensending prick you are…

                • Wwti, it took you 12 months to figure out your neighbors?
                  I would have gotten with them before I ever bought that swampland.
                  Stupid is as stupid does…

                  • Eppe, I hear you loud and clear. Although I’ve never had trouble with WWTI, I can’t stay silent on this any longer. WWTI, BACK THE FUCK OFF FROM EPPE. WHAT THE FUCK DID HE EVER DO TO YOU? NOT A F#$%IN’ THING. YOU’RE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A F#$%IN’ BULLY.

                    • Oh Boy now Mr huff and puff Door knob shaker security guard wants to take a few sissy swings at me eh. Where do I start?

                      I’ll start with Mr Brave. I will say you have grown up here a lot in the last few years, and I give you credit. You got your crap together this last year, and now have a plan. The best for your situation. No credit, old beat up truck and going to squat on your Cuz’s shack in N Joeja. Good for you. How do you deal with all your fish cracker expiring now and they are hundreds of miles away? I only call out BS when I see it, and you have progressed a lot here. And you don’t whine like a child, you give decent responses. And you have no employment there at your BOL, which you should find right now, so you can be at your BOL when needed, and get the hell out of where you are now. That’s your weak point in your prepping plan, but your decision to make. We on here critique people plan. Which eppe has no plan, and that leads me to….

                      the self indulging egotistic lying snail, all he has does on here for years is cyber squat, telling 5 grade jokes, never responding to the article printed, just post some off the wall, self indulging BS like where did life begin? Then when I told his stupid brain dead self, the asteroid with bacteria slammed into planet earth and shit began to grow, go look it up for your self moron. Its pasted a thousands of times all over the internet. He keeps that childish crap up and I’ll tell you where life ends for him, as karma’s a bitch and I am surprise somebody hasn’t punched your stupid ass out already up where you live, if you act like that out in public. He rarely posts anything of worth or value. He brings this site down to a 5th grade mentality. And when he drink he starts in with his bigger than life BS. Blowing his OPSEC and everybody else’s that associates with him. When he tried to get Mac to give him all of his email data base addresses from this site last year, in his bloated scheme, so he could send everybody his jokes and hacked viruses, he took himself over the top. You don’t own this site, and go start your own website, if you can’t take being slammed for your own stupidity and lack of maturity, that has nothing to do with prepping or current news article posted. Is you brain that small to focus or digest this? Really, He is on the wrong website, Go back to your adolescence FaceBook BS site where you belong with that nonsense and stay tracked and blow you OPSEC.

                      People come here to learn something. You keep wanting to make amends, and I did a few times, then you went right back to your same ol’ BS again. So no I do not want anything to do with you. You degrade women, have no prepping plan, No BOL, and No weapons as you admitted. You are on the wrong website pale.

                      btw/ when I moved out on my BOL, I kept to myself as I had a lot of work clearing land and many projects to quickly get set up, and for OPSEC, I did not want a bunch of snoopy neighbors out here scoping out what I am doing, what I have, and next thing you know they will be over to borrow my shit or steal it. After about 6 months, I started my rounds with the neighbors, not 12 months. And have a lot of friends here now that I am personal friends with and we help each other. I’m sure you would go blabber everything you know about yourself right away the first day, and tell everybody you are a prepper before prepping was prepping, cause your mouth is like the grand canyon in overdrive like Thelma and Louise off the cliff. You can’t help yourself. You are the worst type of person to associate with, as you will tell everybody your business and theirs, to make yourself feel like you are in the know and important because you cannot contain your self-indulging EGO. You blow the number one rule in prepping “OPSEC.” Your only hope now it to move to another state and start over, as you will be a quick statistic on the death toll along with your family since you blab your daughters prize in that county. Like what a dumbfuck moron father are you to do that dumb stunt? You need the shit slapped out of you for that incident. I really feel sorry for his family. Btw, you have no idea where I am, but I know pretty much where you are. I am not in swampland but high ground, surrounded by nature preserve, with lots of critters and water ways. I have a plan and have been living it and still a work in progress, and I have related a lot of things people want to know about setting up a BOL. You just bloviate wanna be with hopey think you are prepper cool, 100% on the grid, no guns, and employee punching a clock for your paycheck. You are so grid dependent, I bet you wear depends, as your mommy or wife fixes your supper, then you head off to drink and type more BS of how great you are or reflect back 5 years ago. Really? Tell us about your BOL snail? Tell us about your security? All your food preps stocked up, Your weapons to defend it? Tell us Liar.

                      As I said before if you don’t want to be ragged on, stop the stupid shit, clean up your act and get your plan in order. The clock is ticking… You can suck up to the host here all you want, and look like a suckass, probably like you do to everybody else in your life, because you ego needs stroking. You need to grow up and me a man to your family, instead of a whiny child playing in a sandbox shaking your rattle. You are embarrassing to the male species. Thank your hoax creator you don’t have any male children, as I’m sure they would be feminized and sissy child gay acting like you. Got it?

                      ~WWTI… Not sure who this Harper Collins dude is, but I am fully aware about current world events, I read a lot of info and I am in a great place. Even if an EMP was set off, I am prepare to deal with off the grid living. Can you say that? I will not abandon my Country and flee like a coward to some other country, and will stay and fight to retain our Constitution and law and order, regardless what happens here in the next few years. My current situation is to “NOT feed the beast.” Unlike the moron above who is 100% grid dependent, and calls himself a survivalist with out any weapons to even protect his family and just bloviates.
                      So Who would you want in your fox hole with you? A real life prepper walking the walk, or a friggin Drunk Joker posting BS and blowing everybody’s OPSEC? Choose your foxhole friends wisely. ~WWTI… out..

          • WhoWTFKnows…

            You stated:
            “~~ OK this bigger than life wannabee Prepper/ Survivalist has NO WEAPONS, admitted he is without security protection. Like WTF, calls himself a Prepper survivalist and No guns? YOU LIE!!!

            I don’t usually do this.
            But Dude you seem like a F-ing Idiot.

            Nuclear War is on near horizon. FACT
            Economic collapse on World Wide basis coming any day. FACT
            Political systems around they globe are IMPLODING. FACT
            And you think small arms will magically protect you? FANTASY-DELUSIONAL

            I don’t have many guns either. No AR or AK, Waste of money.
            All I need is a rock. One rock to take away your lightly shot magic black gun.

            In any war there are plenty of battlefield pick ups.
            Anyone who has been in actual combat figures that out quick.
            Guys like you who are full of bravado-piss-vinegar are the first to donate.
            Dead men don’t need guns. Fact of life.

            You only have two hands. Two guns are all you need if even that?

            Selling your guns. All of them. Relocating to Southern Hemisphere away from the soon to be war zone of the Northern Hemisphere with likely Nuclear Detonations.
            Putting up Food-Water-Medical-Tools-Seeds-Farming and Agriculture supplies in that southern hemisphere location “might” help you stay alive a bit longer.

            Get out of North America and Western Europe. Get out of ALL cities anywhere.
            You don’t need guns. You need a deep hole in ground that is hidden and full of supplies for After the Blast and Fallout.

            But you are married to your location and guns. So you just won’t make it.

            Russia-China will First Strike with Nukes.
            He who hits first usually wins a fight.
            But this time EVERYONE Looses EVERYTHING. Stone age.

      63. Cool… I’m still here and able to talk! THANKS.


        You know what… These riotous black people are gonna be arming themselves with you good white folk once the Muslim gains power within your land…

        They’re soon gonna realise that their shit/weave ain’t worth diddly friggin’ squat when the full onslaught of the jihadist Muslim gains power.

        Make no mistake America… Islam is like a ruinous cancer, it creeps, little by little till it conquers.



        Thismessage awas verty hard to post????


      65. Transcend the here & now and tell political Islam to FUCK OFF.


        FUCK OFF.

        Be strong Americans.

      66. Consider this, if Hillary gets elected, things will continue to get worse, and probably even faster. If Trump gets elected, we have no more than a 50/50 chance of any improvement. Probably less than a 10% chance of things turning around because of the entrenched bureaucrats and the deep state. Black Lives Matter, Invasion of radical Muslims, invasion of non-westerners, George Soros and his ilk, failing economy, new wars (bigger), worsening demographic situation. You don’t have enough ammo.

        • Yeah, but you gotta start somewhere and make a statement…

          Rioting crowds will find themselves slowed down when opposed by interlocking fields of fire…

        • Consider this….Trump isn’t throwing the 11-12 million Mexicans. He is announcing his plan to keep them at a speech in Colorado. How’s that for a build the wall kind of guy? He will back off the Muslims too. He is a lying sack of crap and no better than Clinton. Vote for him if you want but he is a democrat. Or have some pride and don’t vote for the ass. Not saying Hilary is better just that trump is a freaking tool.

          • Tunkcuf, so now Trump is saying he’s backing off all illegal aliens? Doesn’t surprise me one bit. It seems like we could elect Mickey Mouse and still have the country going down the tubes.

      67. England expects…

        For fucks sake… Many of us here have tried to fight against the Muslim pricks no matter what the cost.

        The flood is now heading towards America.
        Please fight the Muslim and their sharia law Islamic ideology.

        VOTE TRUMP.

        • Well, isn’t this nice:

          “Trump Protesters Turn Violent In Minneapolis: Jump On Motorcade; Spit On Donors”


          Bunch a FREAKIN’ idiots !

          If they don’t come to their senses and vote trump, its going to get worse for them just like it has for the past 8 years.

          If they want to continue to thru the country further into decline and chaos, so be it; but they had better leave me alone or they better bring 5 friends; I’m not going down easy; I didn’t vote to throw the country in the toilet.

          • lena.

            After reading the article I figure that if Trump wins there will be further unrest in the country due to further decline in society and more laws against our Constitutional Rights.

            I do not believe this country is going to last long.

            • I mean If Hillary wins.

              Coffee . Where is my coffee.

          • Thanks lena xXx

      68. I really DO NOT CARE, what the left wing trolls have to say about anything. Rebecca? Nat? you need to get this thru your tiny brains. I don’t care if blacks kill other blacks. I don’t care if they kill progressives. I don’t care if you OD on drugs. I don’t care if you starve, or die of AID’s I don’t care how many of your own babies you murder. But come down my street and five hundred rifles will put you in a mass grave. I REALY don’t care how you feel about that. We “racist” whites outnumber you by millions to one, and if you come to my “hood” YOU WILL DIE. Understand this. I honestly don’t care about you or what you think. I will never willingly talk to you. I will NEVER willingly have anything to do with you good or bad. I will never walk down your street. You have nothing I want. I have nothing I will ever give you . In fact you are nothing to me AT ALL. Live in peace or die in fire; I DON’T CARE. BUT IF YOU START UP YOUR S*** AT MY HOUSE. I WILL END YOUR LIFE, and guess what. EVERYONE in my 100% white , ultra-right wing middle class “hood” feels the same way. AND: There is nothing you can do about that.

      69. A. Your Water is Fullof Water Shut Heat off Drink Water. B.If Your Forced to Shoot SHOOT to Kill if You Wound They Will Sue you.C. Be sure Everyone in house knows How to Shoot.I Learned How to Shoot At 10

      70. The rioters are lazy and disorganized so they loot what is close to them. They may loot a busin6ess in the sub5urbs but homes are alot of walking an6d public transit does not exist there so they need to have a car. They want free stuff not a fight to the death over crabgrass. Living in the country is not all that safe as I have had people try to rob us a gun point but they didnt. Hunting deer breaks the mental thing on people. If you really need to do the job its dirty but doable for survival. Once rage takes over you can do many things. At the battle of blood river in South Africa the boar women fought the Zulu with axes the Boars won Just get man folks b5attle rage will take over and do the rest

        • Boers, not boars.

          • A Boer FYI: While all folks ever hear of concentration camps is the nazi camp filled with victim jewry versions daily 24/7…

            The very first Modern day Camps were done By the British, when brits built concentration camps to place White Farmer Boers into!

            If I recall right it was around very Late 1890’s to definatly very early 1900 era this happened.

            Maybe jewish hollywood some day can do a movie on this and advise viwer folk it were’nt germans or nazis that should get blamed for what was done by brits first eh.

            Maybe hollywood can also do a documentary series made for TV shows that outline every evil facet of 1917 bolshevik jewdeokommie activities done when international jewry HQ’d in Russia then tried to mass exterminate whites and christians across eastern europes nations.

            What a switch that would be no! An actual Fact filled tv series that proves once for all that when it comes to whinny crys of victimhood, jews are the last peoples to have a right to complian!!

            • Right on them Guys. Watch The greatest story never told. Live leak blood libel . Hellstorm. Then talk.

      71. If they come to my neighborhood and break bad, they will be going to hell in large numbers. Why we tolerate the behavior of blacks in something I do not understand. In a society of folks like me, their behavior problem would have been solved a long time ago.

        • I agree 100%!

      72. Daisy is right. I lived through the L.A. riots and police were no where to be found. Then the Governor ordered out the Guard and they came…sans bullets for their guns. (sigh) I stayed home from work with a loaded gun within reach. Now,I just assume the cops won’t be around for whatever reason and the Guard,they’ll probably still be at their week-end pizza party-drill.

      73. Natty Nat, my response to your comment is still stuck in moderation from this morning. I ‘spect MAC is near to throwing a bucket of water on this thread. Anyway hopefully we’ll get a chance to spar on another day. Adios.

          • GREAT !

            I live in Houston and probably drive thru that area once a month.

            Welcome to Obama’s America ! nothing happened like this before he came in or if it did, it was rare.

      74. ummmmmmmmm while I appreciate you guy’s possible fortitude in restraining possible gang banging in your neighborhood, all =I see is ” I have big powerful guns and I’m not afraid to use them!”….guys, NOT ONE OF YOU IS BULLET PROOF. DUH!!! ALL guns, big and small can kill an intruder. The MAIN thing is to NOT GET KILLED YOURSELF! What you should be working on is how to stay alive and healthy, and not focus on how many “bad guys” you think you can blow away per hour. You catch a slug ANYWHERE in your body, and all your plans are out the window! just sayin

        • qwerty123

          Yep, you can catch a bullet anytime any where.

          How about when bullets come flying through you house. Sharpnel from shot up broken objects be flying all over the place.

          I still believe in FIREPOWER!

      75. Sheeeit, I forgot to have “weaves” on my prep’s list.

      76. You cannot touch the water twice, because the flow that has passed will never pass again.

        Franklin Graham was speaking at the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida on January, 2015, when he said America will not come back. He wrote:

        The American dream ended on November 6th, 2012 in Ohio. The second term of Barack Obama has been the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest republic in the history of mankind.

        A coalition of blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the “forever needy,” the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other “fellow travelers” have ended Norman Rockwell’s America.

        You will never again out-vote these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take zealots, not moderates, not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs to right this ship and restore our beloved country to its former status.

        People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will probably never again be able to legally comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned coalition which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

        The cocker spaniel is off the front porch, the pit bull is in the back yard. The American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and the likes of Chicago shyster David Axelrod along with international socialist George Soros have been pulling the strings on their beige puppet have brought us Act 2 of the New World Order.

        The curtain will come down but the damage has been done, the story has been told.

        Those who come after us will once again have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness.

        • Sorry Infidel- 2 your narrative is incorrect…

          Too many people make the assumption that political power is absolute with the left from Obama’s second election on. What they fail to take into account in the liberal political lesson is that is going on in parallel to the political agenda is Keynesian economics. While the liberal political lesson maybe working well the Keynesian economics that supports it is on very shaky ground.

          At the center of Keynesian economics is Central Banking that has supported some off the wall policies like QE, ZIRP and NIRP trying to force consumption in economies. All one has to do is look around in the world at the EU or countries like China, Japan, Greece, Brazil or Venezuela to see how well Keynesian economics is playing out. It is not working.

          The odds are very high that one or more black swan’s are on the horizon that will cause disruptions to our way of life in the next 10 years and challenge Liberal politics and the Keynesian system. When Keynesian economics fails wholesale changes will happen for the worse or better to our political and economic system….

        • Sorry Infidel- 2 your narrative is incorrect…

          Too many people make the assumption that political power is absolute with the left from Obama’s second election on. What they fail to take into account in the liberal political lesson is that is going on in parallel to the political agenda is Keynesian economics. While the liberal political lesson maybe working well the Keynesian economics that supports it is on very shaky ground.

          At the center of Keynesian economics is Central Banking that has supported some off the wall policies like QE, ZIRP and NIRP trying to force consumption in economies. All one has to do is look around in the world at the EU or countries like China, Japan, Greece, Brazil or Venezuela to see how well Keynesian economics is playing out. It is not working.

          The odds are very high that one or more black swan’s are on the horizon that will cause disruptions to our way of life in the next 10 years and challenge Liberal politics and the Keynesian system. When Keynesian economics fails wholesale changes will happen for the worse or better to our political and economic system….

      77. Read what’s happening to the average whites in South Africa. Now that the American idiots got rid of apartite. Read about the Knoxville murders Chanon Cristianson . As soon as they are 30% instead of now 15% . It’s game over for whitey. And when they are 50% of the American population. We will be running for our lives. We need to Neutron bomb the iner cities and no go areas. Can you believe it no go areas. The big bad ass cops who confiscated guns after Katrina . And forced people out of their homes at gun point at Watertown. Are too chicken shit for a no go area . I guess they shoot back we don’t . They pick on us because we are weak. Easy to tax. I still remember the skinny old lady and those cops after Katrina. I hope the worse possible thing happens to those cops and their families. Why aren’t those cops names being released. We will hold trials one day . And you cops that confiscated guns after Katrina and you cops that did Watertown dirty. One day you will pay .. We have your names . You can run but you can’t hide. For long.

      78. Now that we hashed it all out.

        Is everybody ready?

        • Cover all your bases by preparing for War.

          • You cover your bases by leaving when it gets too hot.
            I’m never shooting someone trying to feed their family.
            I;m not letting a kid go hungry. Not if i have anything.
            I’ve seen other dudes give away their last MRE to dirt face kid. Knowing we had a big hump and no chance of resupply for days.

            Didn’t know there were so many murderer’s that frequented this site?
            Real tough guys aren’t you?
            Some of you are really sick F @ c k s. You know who you are.

            When my neighbor knocks and needs food. I’ll feed them if possible.
            I’ll spread it out best as can due to circumstances to as many as I can.
            That is why we put things back extra. To help out neighbors, friends, some strangers. Have medical to help injured.
            More people you have to defend position is usually better. They will be good recruitsto watch flanks and rear.

            What goes around comes around.
            Some of you never learned that.

            I’ll never fire a round if at all possible.

            • Ned.

              You do what you have to do.

            • To each his own,,,,

            • My opinion – When all the other choices are gone, deadly force should be the last option used.
              Criminals or thugs on drugs may have silenced their God given concience. Thus they may push folk to the point of action. By their lack of natural fear.

        • For what? What were we talking about???

      79. There’s some problems with this article, for me, anyway. If there’s civil unrest in the streets, then your kids should not be told to leave their schools or other place of safety and come home where the civil unrest is. They should establish communications with a parent and determine what to do then, not just start running into a riot between school and home.

        I’m not so certain the advice about masking the smell of cooking food really applies in the scenario presented. It’s not going to matter one whit what the aroma around the kitchen window is, people bent on violence are going to create it where they find a victim or loot.

        • MG, if that jezebel acted like that at my place, she would’ve been thrown out.

        • Wow–Oh my goodness. I managed a McD for 8 yrs. None of my crew ever did THAT.

          Though the Kurdish guy from Iraq hit the store manager in her head with a BigMac sauce gun. Cause he didn’t want to take orders from a woman.

          We told him he was in American now and guys had to take orders from female managers.

          hahahahahaha He didn’t last. Couldn’t take it. Wonder what ever happened to him. His wife was really nice though.

        Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn’t know this. It’s easy to check out, if you don’t believe it. Be sure and show it to your family and friends. They need a little history lesson on what’s what and it doesn’t matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts.
        Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes.
        Since nearly everyone in the United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION message was removed.
        Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. His promises are in black, with updates in red.
        1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary [No longer voluntary],
        2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program [Now 7.65% on the first $90,000, and 15% on the first $90,000 if you’re self-employed],
        3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year [No longer tax deductible],
        4.) That the money the participants put into the independent ‘Trust Fund’ rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program [Under Johnson the money was moved to the General Fund and Spent], and
        5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income [Under Clinton & Gore up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed].
        Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month — and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to ‘put away’ — you may be interested in the following:
        Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
        A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.
        Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
        A: The Democratic Party.
        Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
        A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the ‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
        Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity
        payments to immigrants? A: That’s right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!
        Now, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
        And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it! If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. Maybe not, though. Some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn’t so — but it’s worth a try. How many people can YOU send this to?
        Actions speak louder than bumper stickers.

        • “Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes.”

          I got mine at the age of 16 (1970). Still have that original card in my hand as I type.

          I find no where stated ” the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes”

          I can’t laminate it.
          It’s not valid unless signed.
          Mis-using card or number will garner a fine/prison.
          It’s not my card, it really belongs to the S.S.Admin.
          It gives the S.S.Admin address.
          It is form OA-702 (1-88)

          on the other side is my name, number, and the comment that the number has been established 🙂 for me!!!!!

          Can’t find anything about number and card were not to be used for identification purposes.

      81. This was Barack Obama with Khizr Khan’s wife in 2009. She was not in her Muslim garb. And if you think they accidentally ended up at the DNC convention, think again. Khan is a Democrat con man, and a leftie. He’s Muslim Brotherhood affiliated, and a professor who teaches and practices Sharia.

        Khizr Muazzam Khan graduated from Punjab University Law College, as the New York Times confirms. And he specialized in International Trade Law in Saudi Arabia. An interest lawyer for Islamic oil companies, Khan wrote a paper called, “In Defense of OPEC” to defend the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), an intergovernmental oil company consisting of mainly Islamic countries.

        Khan is a promoter of Islamic Sharia Law. Khan is also co-founder of the Journal of Contemporary Issues in Muslim Law (Islamic Sharia).

        What was the real reason for Mr. Kahn’s speech? His son died 12 years ago in a war Mr. Trump did not agree with but Hillary did.

        Mr. Kahn worked for Hogan Lovells, the law firm for which just COINCIDENTALLY which also represents the Royal Court of Saudi Arabia, and are the tax lawyers for Bill & Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation. Hogan Lovells also employed Loretta Lynch. They also represent a small tech firm in Denver, CO. And yes, it is the same little firm that “managed” Hillary’s private server.

      82. Do you have a firearm on your person as you read this? If not, you still don’t get it..

        • Love it! You’re 100% on target and yes… I do 🙂

      83. There are posters on the BB that one can infer are looking forward to situations where they can justify, if not legally, then personally, the use of lethal force. If one is faced with a threat of sufficient magnitude, attempted arson or violence, you do what you have to do. Personally my conscience of bigger than my ego so the looter is getting the DVD player. Armed with a high velocity rifle and seeing a mob advance I would look for a secure backstop behind them and put a few rounds 2ft over their heads. The sonic crack would get everyone in the front thinking that they were being aimed at.

        TPTB are the winners in a race war. TPTB are fostering this; division is their ally, kayos their friend.

        • Kevin2

          You stated much more eloquently some of my thoughts.
          But my comments were not allowed to post.
          I NEVER want to shoot anyone ever again. I’m no longer a soldier.
          “Once a Marine Always a Marine.,” is BULLSHIT. I’m a Husband, Father, Farmer, and I will live in peace. I will not allow myself or sons to be recalled or drafted by anyone ever. No matter stated “reason.”

          I don’t fit into the “mass think” of the fear monger mentality here.
          I am not “on message” with most posters here.

          You see, I am not afraid. I’m not intimidated or afraid.
          Not afraid of blacks. Not afraid of pissed off blacks acting as savages.
          Not afraid of gobernment thugs with three letters and oversized egos.
          Not afraid of amateur Police wanna be tough guys in new gucci battle rattle.
          I’m not anti Black. As long as they are not looting and burning.
          I’m not anti Police. As long as they act with honor and don’t murder unarmed people.
          I’m not anti Jew. As long as they don’t oppress others as they themselves have been oppressed.
          I have friends that are black, Police, two are black Police, and I have wonderful memories of a sexy jew that almost became my wife. Her family treated me MUCH BETTER with kindness, love, consideration, than any “good christian” that i have ever known.
          And I am not anti Christian. As long as you keep your hand out of my pocket and don’t try to control me with fear or guilt.

          But I am anti Idiot.
          I am anti Stupidity.
          I am anti Communist. Anti NWO. Anti USSA controlled by foreign devils of UN/NWO.
          I am anti TRAITOR sitting in public office as poser pretend president.
          I am anti War. Anti Nuclear War.
          The TRAITORS in the west are pushing for a third world war. Nuclear war.
          Nuclear War. That is something that is to be afraid of. Game over. Civilization over/done.

          Other post I make not allowed. How about this one? I’m still not “on message.”

          • Ned says .? We should let things go as they are? Do nothing? Things will get better if we do nothing? Let our grand children deal with what we have let happen?Lie to ourselves that things will get better if we do nothing. We will probably be dead so why should we care what happens to the grand babies? We want to retire comfortably . To hell with the next generation.sacraficing our lives for our future generations. F that. Let them all get butchered third world style. We can’t sacrifice our last few years to save our civilization . We are looking forward to having are asses wiped in an old fokes home . We can’t give that up. Sell your clothes and buy a sword. And use it . to save us before you are worthless.

            • Lone wolverine

              “Things will get better if we do nothing?”

              What are you advocating?

              • Kevin2 : Lone Wolverine is not advocating anything, he is questioning Ned.

                As far as your post, I hope to never have to make that decision, but I will if they come marching down my street.

                • “We” is a collective term.

                  ” Things will get better if we do nothing?”

                  There is advocacy in this statement, therefore what are “we” supposed to do?

                  Are “you” willing to defend yourself and family is individual? That is certainly individual. “We”? As was said in work, “Are you from France”?

      84. I also read this article recently that proposes using your car as a weapon if a mob comes up to you.

        It is hard for me to advocate this, but this is the country we live in now where people are getting pulled from their cars; so I’m glad I read this article because before it I probably would have just sat and took it hating that this was how I was going out.

        “Black Lives Matter Encourages Justifiable Homicide of Black People”


        Thanks Obama !

        • I would rather be charged with hit and run.then end up like reginal Deny . Or Chanon Cristenson. Being tortured to death . I’d rather die fighting. F the law.

      85. The environment, the environment.. The beta Test in Venezuela…now the highest murder rate in the world..

        There is a nut house for HCKS.

        Quotes Troll Old Guy.

        I find your comments entertaining..

        Quotes Lena..

        I have nothing much to say today, those who have taken my comments as the real facts, your very smart people..

        October 2016-February 2025?..The mass extinction of women..



        What is degal.com?


        There is a nut house for HCKS.

        • HCKS,

          You’re a voice shouting out a message of importance friend.

          Don’t pay attention to people calling out your name in ignorance…

          You add a lot to the freedom of the USA.

        • HCKS, you’re NOT a nut. You’re putting out the right kind of message. Keep it up. We need you to take care of trolls.

          • Brave & HCKS – SHTF has been stormed and overrun by trolls in the past month or so. One of them uses 6 aliases. He replies to his own posts too. Time for another cleansing or the good people will be gone.

            • We are ‘cleansing’

              Disagreements are fine – trolling comments will be deleted en masse.

        • Forget the haters HCKS, keep posting!
          Take care!

      86. Maybe Al and Jesse will lead the charge.

      87. Isn’t rioting and burning everything civil unrest. I’m sure burning shit down is arson which is a crime. If police don’t do their job putting these rioters down then they have failed and you are in a wrol situation and may need to shoot someone dead. Throwing a Molotov at your house while your family is inside is a violent attack intended to Kill you. You cannot down play this at all. Polices failure to end this rioting just reinforces your need to take the law into your own hands. Keeping a gun in your home is just common sense. Knowing when it’s time to use it on someone is too. Don’t be a hot head but don’t be a pushover either. Cooler heads always prevail. Molotovs are an incindiary weapon this is violence equal to a shooter dumping a full mag into your home. The fact is police don’t have the numbers to control a huge angry mob attacking the suburbs with molotovs and firemen don’t have the ability to put out multiple fires at once. Just not gonna happen. This is why we prepare ourselves for uncertainty. You just never know what’s gonna come your way.

      88. German Government Urges Citizens To Stockpile Food, Water For First Time Since Cold War Ended

        h ttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-21/german-government-urges-citizens-stockpile-food-water-first-time-cold-war-ended

        “People will be required to stockpile enough drinking water to last for five days, according to the plan, the paper said.

        …the precautionary measures demand that people “prepare appropriately for a development that could threaten our existence and cannot be categorically ruled out in the future,” the paper cited the report as saying.”

        • Satori.

          I do not see many picking up on the story at Zerohedge.

        • I emailed my cousin in Germany to see what he says about this ominous development.

          • MSM is withholding info and spinning the facts. Please let us know as soon as you hear from them, thanks grandee.

      89. “How exactly do you get prepared for a war zone in your own neighborhood?”

        1. AR15 with ten 30 rounds mags loaded with hollow points .556 for initial take down from 100 yards out to 40 yards out.

        2. Several shotguns loaded with 00 buckshot for 40 yards to 15 years.

        3. Handgun with the caliber of your choice with at least five 15 round magazines loaded with hollow points.

        This would be for just one person. Hopefully you have a few neighbors with the same equipment so that you can easily defend your neighborhood from 100 thugs. Remember the thugs carry POS Hi Point 9mm and since they shoot sideways they can only hit you from 10 feet away at best.

        • GW

          Good start.

      90. Nukes being moved from Turkey to Romania.
        Turkey was entertaining the idea of Russian troops along its boarder. Russian wants Turkey to pick a side.

        • anon

          If one looks at Iraq, Libya and the US / Saudi Arabia campaign to overthrow Assad in Syria one could infer that there is a systematic effort to intentionally destabilize nations in the Middle East. Nations without cohesive governments pose no political challenges. Looking at Turkey and now Yemen it looks like nations are seeking protection not by the US but from the US / Saudi coalition. Turkey just had a coup attempt that failed and they are greatly increasing their relationship with Russia. Its a reasonable assumption that the coup, for whatever reason was inspired by if not organized by the US. Global business interests run the US not “We The People”. I think small nations are looking for a protector. How the damn world has changed.

      91. Something how everyone can not wait for the shtf.
        Everyone seems to can not wait to kill each other.
        mmmmmm 🙁

        What happen to the days when people cared ?
        I guess they are all but gone.
        I guess we are all going to be savages one way or another.

        I that case let the cleansing begin.
        We deserve everything that is going to happen.

      92. In considering your response not only to people like this one, but to the threat others taking her advice may pose to you and yours should they show up in your particular “hood”, keep some things in mind…

        1. CIVIL UNREST IS USUALLY SHORT LIVED. Sure, it looks like Mad Max while it’s happening, but so far rule of law has sooner or later stepped back in and re-established itself. Why consider this? Consider it because what you do is very likely to be evaluated by LEO’s, District Attorneys, etc. Some are good, some not so much. Those LEO’s and D.A.’s might leave you swinging in the breeze in an effort to pacify the public (or one segment of the public). When I was with the Sheriff’s Department, I personally saw innocent people get hung out to dry.

        Even if you are completely “in the right” and totally justified from a legal standpoint, remember… that doesn’t matter to folks like this. Many of the “victims” of shootings that started the many riots we have seen lately were far from innocent. In fact, many of them were shot during the commission of a felony, felonious assault, etc. That didn’t matter- the TRUTH didn’t matter. It was used as an excuse to riot and later as an excuse to go after people. And let us not forget that there are certain “groups” that seem to have carte blanch from the establishment to do whatever they please with little or no consequence. I dare say most of us don’t belong to any of those groups. So before you start “aiming for the head” or “shooting center mass” you might want to consider if what you are planning as a response is going to be defensible when ROL crawls back into play. Self defense and the defense of other innocents from imminent attack that a reasonable person would believe was likely to cause death or serious injury is usually a heck of allot easier to defend than dropping someone busting the windows out of a car parked down the street from your house.
        Sometimes, the law and the courts have nothing to do with right or wrong. Sometimes, they’re only concerned with the law and politics.

        2. YOU CAN’T JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. You can’t tell a good cop from a bad one at a glance. Not all blacks are bad, not all whites are good. The actions of a person are the only means to judge if they are a threat. We all know it, just don’t forget it. It’s not a specific skin color, it’s a belief system, a subscription to a certain culture. There were other races at most of those riots. BLM and other groups have supporters from all races. Remember the NAACP leader who was a white female that had lied and passed for black for years??? It wasn’t her skin color, it was her belief system!

        3. GET OUT OF THE CITIES AND SUBURBS. I know this is not possible for everyone, but have you seriously tried? I spent YEARS remodeling a house in the ‘burbs. We loved it, but the area was going down hill. Too many “entitlement” folks moving into the area, Memphis (one of the MOST violent, racist, crime ridden cities in the U.S.A.) just a stones throw away. Crime was starting to go up, and property values were going down.

        We’re in debt, allot going on, definitely NOT that “perfect time” to run out and buy another house. But that is exactly what we did. We bought a slightly run down house waaaaaaay out in the country with some land and a pond, and sold the house in the ‘burbs that we loved.

        Why? Because that “perfect” day to do it was never going to get here. I can fix up this house too and we are much safer here than we ever could have been back there; no matter how many firearms we had and how much training we went through. It’s a numbers game folks – just math. If there are allot of the “entitlement crowd” living near you, it’s past time to move on. Sooner or later, they aren’t going to be content with destroying just the neighborhoods they live in and near. They’re going to figure out that it’s better for them to head for more affluent areas, outside their neighborhoods and even the cities. If this idea catches on sooner rather than later (because I believe it is inevitably going to catch on) then time is shorter than you think! The suburbs are where the thugs are going to go for their fun.

        Sure, most of us remember seeing the Korean store owners and their families on the roofs of their stores with AK’s during the L.A. riots. And yes, those stores weren’t looted or burned. That was in the 1990’s. Not sure how well that’s going to fly with law enforcement today though. After all, law enforcement had a fit when Oathkeepers showed up in Ferguson to protect stores and areas. And Oathkeepers are TRAINED. Not just civies with a boomstick on a rooftop.

        4. IF YOU HAVE A PLAN, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. Spouting off online or to people IRL that you intend to shoot rioters could come back to haunt you later when the entitlement crowd and all of their sympathetic organizations are looking for blood. That’s called prior intent in most jurisdictions.

        5. FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH YOUR LOCAL LAWS CONCERNING SELF DEFENSE AND CASTLE DOCTRINE. A few states have laws that basically say if they’re on your land and pose a threat you can shoot them, or if you are in a public place that you have a right to be in and are threatened you may shoot. Some states have laws stating you are REQUIRED to flee, even from within your own home! The rest fall across the spectrum between those two. Find out just what is and isn’t “legal” where you are. This will at least give you a good starting point!

        Be safe folks, stay level headed, and think ahead.

      93. Taking that sh#t to the suburbs might not be a good idea if it is this suburb.

      94. We have been culling the canibles and savages forever. Why stop now? Will the savages inherit the earth? Because the meak. Lay down and die? Is that Gods intention? Let the weeds take over? Burn the Tares . Separate the wheat from the Tares and burn the Tares. Or be exterminated. That sounds more like Gods intention? Sell your clothes to buy a sword . Beat the money changers out of the temple. Fill your lamps. The tribulation won’t be easy.. Redemption for the Luke warm? Or the hot? I will sell my clothes to buy a sword . I will beat the money changers out of the temple . I will fill my lamps . And fight beside his robe red with blood. And the sword from his mouth.. The second coming will burn the Tares. And his robe will be red with blood. And that’s exactly what we need.. Just as written .

      95. Those who want to live let them fight those who don’t want to fight in this world of eternal struggle don’t deserve to live. The weak will die first this is natures plan they have only survived because of compassion. This is not savage it’s natures plan. People have been brainwashed by the zog. They will quickly realize reality when the chips are down. You will face the truth eventually. Anything worth having has been fought for.

      96. Year 0

        The world is changing and so is this site.

        Have you noticed the amount of crime that has risen in you neighborhood? How about road rage and accidents that occur due to aggressive driving. Who the hell does the speed limit and many do not stop for stop signs or RED LIGHTS. There have been cars running into HOUSES, Brick Walls and into retention ponds.

        In the past 6 months there have been almost a dozen fights, AT THE FLEA MARKET!

        There are parents killing their own children.

        Whatever is coming you do not have to know why cause you Can’t Fix It. It has to burn out by itself.

        When the people had enough carnage, then it will stop.

        • ARON

          You are 110% right I saw this coming a long long time ago.

          People mocked me when I was saying we were going to be hit by a terrorist attack of some sort.

          When 911 happen people did not mock me anymore, but they were afraid of what I was saying, and stayed away.

          I guess they were afraid of the truth.

          A person that was in the loop told me in the 80s that you are going to have nitwits in high places that will cause the system to deteriorate.

          WELL HERE WE ARE.


          I go to church and our pasture talks about major bad times coming.

          I just sit back, and say you are just getting to this?

          I have come to the conclusion that whatever happens happens.

          I am just sitting back like GEORGE CARLIN SAYS.

          I am going to watch this freak show go down the drain from a distance.


          I GIVE UP ON MY SPECIES………….

      97. I read BigB’s post and could say that it is kind of a
        Prepper burnout stage.

        Some come here to get camping skills. Others to discuss news event. Then you have the those who prepare for nature’s disaster’s and last those that prepare for civil unrest or Doomsday.

      98. Anon, Year 0
        There is a serious drug problem here. Seems even my neighbors sold the stuff. Vehicles coming and going at different hours, day or night. That may account for erratic behavior.

        • Copy that JIMBO.
          I am 0-20 miles from a city they call Little Baltimore.
          Do not go there at night unless you are armed.
          Drugs are RAMPANT……….

          As I said let the cleansing begin.

          Because with all this shit we know our political structure is not going to help us because most of them are involved.

          So I guess we will have to wait for PLAN B or C or D to happen.

          and it will not be pretty.

      99. Bring it to the suburbs? That would be a bad, bad mistake on the part of the urban vermin, in this suburb at least. Let me put it this way…the opening day of deer season is pretty much a holiday around here.

      100. This is starting to get interesting!

      101. If they come to my neighborhood they will meet many who are ready and willing to protect their neighbors with extreme prejudice.
        Semper Fi

      102. When everyone was buying up all those AR15s etc. Where do they think they all went.

      103. Smitty you are so right, help your neighbors helps you. You might lose a house or two to Molotovs but if it is SHTF no help from cops clear out some trash.

      104. Does anyone know of urban vermin ever trying to bring their riots into the suburbs? Seems to me they traditionally stick to the business districts, looting and burning as they go. Nearby residential neighborhoods…nada.

        Apparently they do have a shred of common sense.

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