Joe Legal Vs. Jose Illegal

by | Sep 8, 2010 | Headline News | 27 comments

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    Drake Pendragon at SHTF America makes a compelling argument for why it’s time to send illegal aliens back to their home countries. This has nothing to do with race or discrimination, but rather, it’s simple math. The U.S. economy is in shambles. With 35 million Americans out of work, sending the 30 million illegal aliens currently residing north of the Mexico-US border back home will not only create more jobs than $1 trillion in stimulus spending could ever hope for, but will simultaneously increase government tax revenues and reduce government spending by billions of dollars in health care, education, and welfare:

    You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California . Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted. Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Ready? Now pay attention . . .

    Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

    Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

    Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

    Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and he still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc . . .

    Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school.

    Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    These Illegals are receiving free emergency medical care at the expense of the American taxpayer who must pay for his own. 45% of all hispanic families in the United States receive some form of government assistance. That is old data. With the current economic reality in the US, where one in six American families receive some sort of government assistance, it is likely that percentage may now be higher. As the Great Recession deepens that percentage will go higher. Funds that are allocated for Illegals health, education, and welfare; are funds that will not be available for medicare and medicaid for seniors, unemployment, and social security for American citizens.

    Read the full article at SHTF America…


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      1. the whole illegal  problem could be solved overnight. just put employers who hire them in jail for 6 months. within two months all the illegals would find their way back to mexico.

        we all know why our corrupt whorehouse government doesn’t do this don’t we?

        e.verify or six months.

      2. Apologies for being the bearer of still worse news. One more calculus to be considered:

        Social Security has  bilingual staff to aid illegal aliens in the collection of SS benefits outside of the U.S. ? WTF! With disclosures like this, it seems like our situation deteriorates further every day….

      3. When California and several other states first made public the critical state of their finances, they admitted that they had made  some bad choices. ( a major understatement) .  But they also said that if they did not have to provide services to illegals, they would still be in the black (just barely). A private watchdog group and the federal government also released their data showing the same results for Calif and the other states in the red.  And still the federal government WON’T do anything about the border or the businesses who employ illegals. Those employers are ROBBING  from other taxpaying citizens in each state. If the feds won’t do anything about the border or illegal workers, the states should pass laws that allow them to jail the illegals and jail the employers for progressively longer periods  for repeat offenses.

      4. Of course if your goal is to move the US into the NAU and the one world government, that can only be done if the US is on it’s knees. This explains the response of the feds for the current and the past several administrations. They have all voiced the desire to move in that direction and have all participated in making laws to move us that way. So do not expect any response from teh feds on this issue. This is what they want. It is bringing us down. And the new world order can not come into being as long as the US is strong.  Financial and military strength go hand in hand. If we lose one we lose the other. And that opens the door to the rise of the elites and the demise of freedom and any kind of middle class.

      5. Well, here’s an idea… instead of sitting around complaining about it, lets do something about it. If you know of someone who is an illegal, or who employs an illegal, document it and bombard ICE, the Border Patrol, your congress man, your senator, your county sheriff, your local city council, AND your local newspaper with the proof until they do something about that specific case. Get your neighbors to do the same, concentrating on one case at a time until they are all gone. If every Legal American does this then ICE will be so overwhelmed with paper, proof, and lawsuits they will have to do something just to slow down the avalanche. And if they don’t they will have a lot of very angry people who want to know why.
        It’s easy for elected officials to look at the whole huge mass of them and throw their hands up in the air and say it’s an insurmountable problem, but if we force the issue one employer or illegal at a time they will have to listen.

      6. I agree with Truckergirl but the feds just don’t care to do anything if their actions are an indication.  Look at the Dole plant that was raided a summer ago. 800 workers and 600 illegal. 20 were detained to send back to Mexico as they had violent criminal records. The rest were just let go. No further actions taken that day or later. What did we see on the news? The illegal workers demonstration in the street that the “feds had no right to raid the plant and interfere with their right to work”.  That was 600 illegals. No actions against the company or those who knowingly hired them. No actions against the illegals. Nothing. And that made the news only because the illegals demonstrated that their “rights” had been trampled on!   The feds won’t do anything unless it becomes a MAJOR issue with this election in november that it be done before the election or the democrats are sunk. What are the odd of that happening? But we do have to try and yell and do what we can!

      7. oh, yeah, the illegals are the ones ruining our country. *rolls eyes*

      8. @C & Truckergirl…yep and let’s all vote in November too! Sure, that’ll fix it…if you actually believe calling ICE, the Border Patrol, your congress man, your senator, your county sheriff, your local city council, AND your local newspaper with the proof until they do something about that specific case will do anything you’re dreaming too. None of the gubermint entities are willing to do anything but sit around and collect their paychecks waiting for retirement. I remember not too long ago when I along with many millions of others barraged the phones, faxes and emails of all of the schmuck criminals in DC about the bailout and the healthscare scam, and as expected, they ignored all of us and did exactly what they wanted (or were paid by their handlers) to do and they will continue to do so regardless of the desires of the legal citizens of this country. The money is just too hard for them to resist…the oath of office they took is simply an uncomfortable memory.

        It is too far gone now, and the next required steps are heading toward you like a freight train.

        Just be sure you have your beans, bullets and band aids ready, cuz yer gonna need’m really, really soon!

      9. We have a similar situation down here and your personal solution is the same as here. If you can’t beat them (and you can’t) then join them!

        Do what they do, work for cash and claim all the fee entitelments as you can. Many people will take offence with that statement and prefer to take a second job, come home when their kids are asleep and feel superior in their sense of morality.

        “The rest of the country is corrupt but I wont forsake the founding fathers” they say! A mantra they will chant all the way to the fema camps, camps set up by the duly elected decendents of their beloved founding fathers.

        Rebellion doesn’t start when you pick up a gun, it ends that way. It starts by cheating on onerous taxes, by stealing back from a corrupt state. People who honor their elected government’s laws don’t rebell, they walk meekly into concentration camps.

      10. @ truckergirl and c

        Last year on a traffic stop here in west Michigan, I had 3 out of the 5 persons in the car admit they were illegals………I was told to let them on there way after the citation was issued by INS/ICE….

      11. If you’d driven down the road 1/2 mile, you’d have found the balled up citation in the ditch along with a fresh taco wrapper.

      12. It’s a very simplistic analogy, however, it is on the money. The facts are facts and are irrefutable.

        The American taxpayer is nothing more than a slave and ATM for local, state and federal government. You keep what? Thirty percent of what you earn after you factor in all taxes you pay (from property, withholdings, fees, taxes on goods etc, etc.). Heck I think it might even be less. More than half your working year goes to the government? If that is not serfdom, I don’t know what is.

      13. TnAndy….LMFAO!

      14. Comments…..send em all back when they apply for a job put a bounty on the illegals send them home to where they belong stop pussy footin around. once they r here they think they have rights. the only rights they have is live &  go home or_ _ _ .
        The government gives illegals more  rights that natural born citizens. I am sick of that. Put a bounty on them make $5,000 per trip to the border with a simple school bus.

      15. Comments…..TomOfTheNorth gave you a link.
        Read that piece and come back.
        Thumbs Up for that

      16. we the american people are the ones who are going to have to do something, because our government is a lose cause. We should start our own war to get rid of them, dead are alive the choice is theirs how they go.

      17. Comments…..we’re watching this bs for years and truly tired of explaining this to the braindead morons. They just don’t get it. Our political whores tell us how complicated this illegal scenario is and remains.
        What the hell is so complicated about enforcing the existing laws ? and stopping medicaid/WIC/foodstamps/welfare$$ to those not producing PROOF of ID,status etc,the same as we would ?

      18. Stop the welfare system.  Whether they are born here or the butt end of China, nobody deserves to have stolen money provide them with anything. problem solved

      19. @Skibicki – That’s original!  I’m in total agreement with you.  Too bad this will never happen.  Too many of them……    I like the idea of just collecting all the illegals up as best we can and drop them all back in their own f*cked up country build a big friggin fence and any that go over or under be shot on sight.   I volunteer to a post at no charge.

      20. Until we decide to actually change the policy of citizenship by being born here only, we will have this problem. 

        And TnAndy – too funny and too true!

      21. So the obvious solution is for Joe Legal to become Joe Illegal.  Fuck taxes, fuck government regulations.  You have a right to earn a living.  Use it.  Enforce it.

        We are the People, god damn it!  WE say what goes.

      22. As long as you believe that you cannot do something about this invasion of America by an alien race, you will never do anything about it. Naysayers make me want to puke!

        You only have power when you exercise your power. If you are too limp wrist to stand up and be counted, and you want to stand around with your thumb up your ass instead, you deserve the America you have; not the America your fore fathers left you.

      23. The chance for the state to protect life, liberty and property is gone now it is time to let people live their lives freely.  By peaceful means.

      24. Assignment: please substitute the word ‘jew’ or ‘jews’ for the word ‘illegal’ or ‘illegals’ in the above article. How does this change your view of its contents? Does it remind you of any other historical periods you have read about? Assigment2: now substitute the word ‘negro’ or ‘negros’. What other period does this echo?

        Extremism creeps up on us under the guise of right versus wrong. Remember what lessons others have learned from it. Remember what lessons we (should) have learned.

      25. Soupnazi: This article has nothing to do with jews or discrimination of any kind, color, racial, or ethnic persuation. It has everything to do with the rule of law, fairness for American citizens, and the financial burden these Illegals place on the American worker, taxpayer, and family.

        Get past your own racial predjudices, whatever they must be, and look at the facts and the expense to US Citizens. Try reading the entire post at SHTF America.

        As SHTF America says; The Age of White Guilt is Over. Cries of “racism!” will not work anymore.  Racism is not the issue., so you can forget about that; it falls on deaf ears! The issue is that the American taxpayer has to foot the bill for this invading army. The Age of White Guilt ended when WHITE, independent voters elected Barak Obama President.

        Those that cry “Racism!” do so because they do not have a valid legal, political, or social argument for assigning some sort of “prefered class” to ILLEGALS and alocating them some sort of preference over US Citizens. That will end with the next election!

        Give me one GOOD reason why US taxpayers should foot the bill (somewhere between 300 and 500 billion dollars a year in direct and indirect costs) for 30 million Illegals.

        Give me one GOOD reason why 30 million Illegals should be employed in the United States while 50 million American citizens are unemployed.

        Go ahead, insert the word jew in the article instead of Illegals. Insert the words french canadian. Insert any person, color, group, or ethnicity into the article you want, instead of Illegal. It doesn’t change the facts.

        And any person, color, race, ethnicity, or group who fit these facts, need to leave with the Illegals: jew or gentile! There is no reason for me or anyone else in America to apologize for that.

        They are here Illegally, they need to go home.

      26. This is such arrogant racist BS…Articles like this are clearly put together to illustrate a very valid point to which I will concede.  What I find disgusting is the context in which its carried out – the illegal latino immigrant.  Never is the regard given to Svetlana illegal – the russian prostitute on craigslist with three kids doing the exact same thing, nor Ionut illegal the romanian day laborer, or Spyros Illegal the short order cook – all of whom do the same thing.  Never are these articles addressing the countless number of Middle America bumpkins who collect a check from Uncle sam and work off the books somewhere.  Instead these articles are written as poor good ole boy “white” me and how “I’m” carrying the burden of the illegal latinos.  Being born here in America to American parents who are children of American parents, I’m disgusted by this attempt at Latino guilt.  We all get it, people are gaming the system – well wake the hell up, its been happening since the system began.  I’m just as angry about these people, but not just the latinos – ALL OF THEM.  But we live in AMERICA where you’re free to game the system as an illegal latino, or european, or african, or asian,  Native american, and even a good ole redneck hick.  Quit trying to single out a group and realize this is a widespread issue. Ya Racist Bastard.

      27. Its not the Russians that have invaded America. It’s not Russian nationals marching and demonstrating in the United States with Russian flags. It’s not the Russians who have claimed five southwestern States as their own, demanding that sovereignty of this area now belongs to them. Its not the Russians who are displacing Americans as the dominate population in the southwest US. It is not the Russians who are destroying our economy by the massive cost of keeping them fed, clothed, educated, and healthy with free health care while Americans must pay their own. Its not about race. Its about economics. Click the link and read the whole article.

        One is a guest. Twelve are visitors. One hundred is a mob. 30 million is an invasion. It’s all about the numbers, not about the race. Read the original article.

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