Public Domain, DoD image of Chinese Luhu Class Destroyer, HARIBING on the first ever Chinese “visit” of a warship to U.S. naval station in San Diego, 1997
This article was written by Tyler Durden and originally published at Zero Hedge.
Editor’s Comment: If a trade war there will be, China is more than ready to make a stand. The military issue over the South China Sea and disputed territorial claims is coming to a head. Both sides have demonstrated their ICBM missiles, and their respective strength. Any incident there could lead to war, and if so, then a blockade against all the commercial products and food items that China exports to America each year. Short of war, China has been edging forward with its currency, valuing it to keep Chinese goods appealing, and deepening its place in the basket of world currencies that is set to displace U.S. sole advantage through the petrodollar. If President Trump puts up a tariff wall against Chinese imports, or more drastically implements sanctions for any reason, there could be a hostile trade war that leads to military action.
There are many scenarios, and greater tensions than ever before. The stage is being set, and all is not quiet in the Pacific. Stand by, and keep close watch over the reported interactions between warships both in the Asian sphere, and close to the shores of Iran. Meanwhile, Russian spy ships have been seen trolling U.S. waters. How crazy are things about to get?
China May Bar US Ships From Passing Through Its Waters
by Tyler Durden
In a preemptive move to limit foreign naval presence in proximity to China and especially the disputed South and East China Sea islands, China’s People’s Daily reports the Beijing is set to revise its 1984 Maritime Traffic Safety Law, which would allow the relevant authorities to “bar some foreign” (read U.S.) ships from passing through Chinese territorial waters. The Legislative Affairs Office of the State Council announced Tuesday it is soliciting public opinions on the revisions. Think of it as an Air Defense Identification Zone, only in the water.
According to the Chinese press, the draft would empower maritime authorities to prevent foreign ships from entering Chinese waters if it is decided that the ships may harm traffic safety and order. The draft revisions would grant authorities the right to designate specific areas and temporarily bar foreign ships from passing through those areas according to their own assessment of maritime traffic safety. The revisions are based on the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and Chinese laws on the sea, adjacent areas and exclusive economic zones, the office said.
It was not clear how China would implement and enforce this bar, or what the punishment for transgressors would be.
Wang Xiaopeng, a maritime border expert at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times on Wednesday that the revisions will provide legal support for China to safeguard its maritime rights.
“As a sovereign State and the biggest coastal State in, for example, the South China Sea, China is entitled to adjust its maritime laws as needed, which will also promote peace and stable development in the waters.”
Quoted by the Daily, Yang Cuibai, a professor with the School of Law at Sichuan University, agreed, saying that “the revisions will strengthen China’s management over territorial waters in a new era when the country’s communication and trade with foreign countries in the waters have sharply increased.” Yang added that China should take the lead to establish the legal order in the Yellow Sea, the East China Sea and the South China Sea.
Additionally, the draft said that foreign submarines would travel on the surface, display national flags and report to Chinese maritime management administrations when they pass China’s water areas. They should also get approval from the relevant administrations to enter China’s internal waters and ports.
Foreign military ships that are approved to enter China’s waters should apply for pilotage. Foreign ships that enter Chinese waters without approval will be fined 300,000-500,000 yuan ($43,706-72,844) and those violating Chinese laws would be expelled, it said.
“China’s waters are open to foreign ships as long as they do not damage the waters’ safety, order, or China’s sovereignty,” Yang said.
The draft also states that people in distress at sea have the right to be rescued without charge, adding that human lives should come before the environment and assets.
The State Council and local governments should set up maritime search and rescue centers, if needed, to organize, coordinate and command rescue operations, the draft says. Civilian groups are also encouraged by the revised regulations to set up rescue teams and participate in such operations.
Aside from the contested islands, the waterway in question is one of the biggest focal points of global naval trade: should China implement a mandatory check of each and every naval vessel, it may have a chilling effect on global seaborne trade, which would come at a time when worldwide commerce is already declining and could be further impacted in coming months should Trump implement his protectionist trade agenda.
This article was written by Tyler Durden and originally published at Zero Hedge.
And we will sink those ships.
HCKS.
Molon Labe, invade my city, fuck with us if your bad enough.
“And we will sink those ships.”
That would not be a smart move … do you even realize the consequences if such an action happened?
Don’t you see the Military Industrial Complex has been provoking and instigating anybody to challenge them?
Americas War Machine must thrive on – they care not who gets in their way. It’s all business to them, while the innocent die, and the dumb ass’s who volunteer to fight their damn phony wars are used as bait.
FTW, I agree we should never fire the first shot at anyone. But if someone else’s ship fires at you first, it is proper and right to shoot back in self-defense.
No, sink them now and end the dispute. Without naval capability, the Chinese will have nothing to be belligerent about.
The Chinese will shoot first, they’re setting themselves up for it.
We (United States Government) has no business meddling around in the South China Sea. It other countries in that area concerned about it – then let them dispute and resolve these actions.
Kinda like the Middle East – we shouldn’t be there, but it’s business at the cost of other peoples lives.
There is absolutely no reason the U.S. Gov should be policing the world.
Other countries are tired of how we promote and spread are so-called democracy. There is not a damn thing peaceful about it – just sick and uncalled for business.
Honestly – I believe the world would be a more peaceful place, without our intrusion onto others.
remember, the middle east shot first, china..not so much. so, i’m not sure i agree with your comparison.
Not sure what the “military industrial complex” is
I’m thinking that’s just a LOT of moron talk for “I’m pissy and you’re dumb!” (to be said with a little girls voice)
Here is a peek into a power broker in said ‘complex’–General Dynamics.
When did the middle east shoot first?
vocalpatriot
“remember, the middle east shot first”
Iraq? Libya?
Regarding The Military Industrial Complex here is an explanation. In effect its profiteering from war material and munitions. A transfer of wealth from the tax payer/public to the arms produces that has significant evidence of being unwarranted and unjustified. Its theorized with pretty good credibility that it was a great factor in the US coup on November 22nd 1963. Its been theorized that its behind the ostensible if not outright fragment excuses for war as can be seen with The Gulf Of Tonkin and to a lesser degree WMD in Iraq (that was most likely Oil Peg related).
Hope this helps
h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–industrial_complex
Its very patriotic to question your government and insist that they follow the Constitution and Bill Of Rights diligently. Actually its a duty of a Free Citizen that virtually all of the Founding Fathers said in one way or another.
Fraudulent not fragment
The US Navy has been enforcing Freedom of the Seas for over 200 years, this is nothing new.
FTW
There is oil in that area. The day will come when US Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Navy, grandchildren or great grandchildren on VN vets stand side by side with the grandchildren or great grandchildren on NVA/VC against China.
If Vietnam only had a future in coconuts you think we would have been there?
Kevin2,
Your statement seems to indicate that the US has the right to take ANY resources on this planet.
Is that your stance sir?
Nuke em Duke
On Planet Earth, not Planet America
East Coast, Australia.
No but its surely the motivator.
The US is just the enforcer, the Frank Nitti for global organized crime known by many names, NWO, Globalists, ect. They don’t steal the oil they require that it be sold in US dollars thus creating a false value for this currency. In the case of China they want that nation industrialized to exploit the cheap labor yet dependent upon imported oil and thus controllable. China having foreign occupiers for a great percentage of its modern history wants to be independent of outside influence.
I swear to you, I am not a troll or malicious, but I believe you are. And you sir, are a fn idiot! multiple days and posts in a row.
Gulf of Tonkin ring any bells with anyone ?
I doubt the consequences would be all that bad.
We need to do it to find out for sure, though, so lets do it and see what happens.
HCKS
Why do you want war?
“Chinese waters” are bounded by the 12 mile limit: as all other international water boundaries surrounding sovereign states. Nothing to see here. Nothing at all.
Fake news. 🙁
Typical hubris. The Chinese have some good technologies. Especially missile technologies with anti ship supersonic capability (Mach 2 to Mach 4) that can be launched from the surface, sub and air. More importantly these missiles can be launched outside the range of defensive systems. They also have a lot of subs. China is not a big Iraq.
But they’ve never actually sank a ship with one, particularly a warship with they type of defensive and retaliative capability ours have.
So let them try, double dog dare ’em to.
They’ll huff and puff then back down, paper tigers that they really are.
@ Houston… You are just another “armchair Admiral” with absolutely NO IDEA wtf he is spouting about.
Please go to your room.. It’s ADULT TIME kid.
You are dismissed as a fool or a shill.
Gunny
Btw.. withing 60 minutes of “sinking those ships”.. The USA will be one, big glass parking lot and YOU + EVERYONE YOU KNOW will have been MELTED IN THEIR SHOES!
Tit for Tat will empty the vat,
leaving no food for even an alley cat.
Stack then stage and steely eye’d,
shoot the gimmedats with an evil pride.
Then jump in holes below the grass,
as the NWO nukes your ass.
10000 years has rusted the can,
completely erasing the age of man.
I don’t think a war is wanted, but if you’re going to have one, get it over with.
Why are they asking us to take the first shot? Hmmm.
Out of US area, they are on their own over there. Home turf is priority.
Speaking of dumb ass’s who volunteer to fight those damn phony wars. I remember 11/1964-2/66, never again. peace
@ Old Nam..And I remember every other
“skirmish” between 1980 and 2003… I was there.
(and we left my older brother in Nam in 69! )
But I have been in Afganistan, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan. Iraq again and on and on.
Enough.
Carry On,
Gunny
The world wants a World War and our nation is on the verge of a Civil War.
It’s the Democrats fault. Sounds good does it not.
We got too many people.
Gotta do something with them; get back to a more reasonable level.
Those islands claimed by Red China and those other countries are located in INTERNATIONAL WATERS, NOT CHINESE TERRITORIAL WATERS. International law only recognizes a 12-mile limit on territorial waters from ANYONE’S coastline. An estimated $7,000,000,000 in trade flows through the South China Sea every year. The US and all other nations have every right under international law to sail in those waters. Those gooks in Beijing don’t tell us what the f#$% to do. And no, I’m not taking up for any stinkin’ neocons either!
“Those Gooks” are THE only thing that has kept the STINKING US economy afloat for the past 20 years.
THEY OWN the USA in every conceivable form.
The ONLY card the USA has left to play is war, and they will play it.
The USA cannot even take down third world, fourth rate nations like Iraq and Afghanistan without completely phucking things up…….no way they can win against Chuna.
The war IS OVER……and China HAS WON……without a shot even being fired.
Then again, if Unky Sam wants to pull out the Nukes……well……that changes things.
But the USA (along with all western nations) will end up a zinging molten glass car park.
Here’s the solution:
USA……get down on your Hunkers and ask the world for forgiveness for your in humane foreign policy over the past 30 years.
Pay your debts……IN FULL.
Patriots……pick up your guns and run the NWO Show out of town once and for all.
Once those three steps are down, you will have NOTHING to fear from China or ANYONE else.
Peace……no offence to anyone here……respect you all.
China is starting something that they might not be able to handle.
Its not just US ships from Japan, Korea, Viet Nam, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan.
Just looked a match up with the Japanese, and Chinese navy and the Japanese navy. Out gunned and out ran the Chinese navy.
Sgt.
Sarge, I would also question the quality and performance of Chinese military hardware. Sure, they fire their guns and so forth in drills but none of their hardware has ever been tested in actual battle conditions. Don’t forget, it’s all MADE IN CHINA just like everything else.
Not just the hardware, their naval personnel have never been tried, either. The last Chinese naval action was in 1895, when the Japanese sank their navy and took Korea from them. Before that, a squadron of British ships whipped them in 1840. They really have nothing that can be called a naval tradition.
We can all agree that the US naval personnel now at sea weren’t on Old Ironsides, Damning the Torpedoes, Firing when Ready Gridley, or at Leyte Gulf, Midway, Inchon, the Persian Gulf, or a hundred other such actions, but they’ll do their jobs because of it.
Does anyone out there think that a conflict with China would only be conventional?
If we sank half of their naval forces in a couple days, it would only get uglier.
The Deplorable Braveheart,
what you might NOT Know is that ALLOT of our military electronic hardware IS made in CHINA to!! I could go into logistics and problems from this but you see the point! this is sopmething i have been opposed to for many years, also remember who saved this country from the first depression by sending us millions in GOLD! CHINA! don’t get me wrong brave, i don’t like it anymore than you do, but gives ALLOT of food for thought about what has happened from this!
China doesn’t want a war.
Korea doesn’t want a war.
Russia doesn’t want a war.
Iran doesn’t want a war.
However, keep poking them and sanctioning them and interfering in their business and they will no doubt fight back…anyone would.
The deep state and it’s congressional minions want you to fist pump for war because it deflects from the real problems and absolves them from having to do anything to fix them.
“It’s propaganda. It softens your brain while you watch. You’re soaking in it.”
Correcto Mundo!
Well said JRS.
I really like Mac’s news stories, articles, etc. but I really almost vomit when I make the mistake of reading some of the comments made by these horrible creatures (not this particular article but the comments from other articles).
I really wish he didn’t have a comment section. It would be a great website if it didn’t have a comment section! I keep thinking I will scroll down to see if others provide some insightful information on the subject of the essay but all I read are comments from stupid hicks, who only pull your consciousness down into hell– in other words, lowlife people pulling you down!!
Anyhow, I haven[t been to the library in a long time and finally had the opportunity to read the articles at this website but unfortunately, I forget the stupid junk people who make their stupid, down-pulling comments who give not useful information but rather seek (it seems) to pull you down in hell, where their consciousness obviously is… stupid rednecks. (not below this particular article– I’m referring to the comments below other articles).
ISN’T freedom of SPEECH GREAT!!!
Don’t read the comments then imbicile!
This is a BAD Anonymous posting this, obviously a troll. So why do you still come here?
Brave –
Was it this one-liner that gave it away? “Anyhow, I haven[t been to the library in a long time”
Noticed it myself … was gonna offer Troll a cup of hot chocolate, blanket, and a safe space … but … I guess I’m not in the mood to counter-Troll today. Sorry, but maybe tomorrow will be a brighter day ツ
Anonymous
I disagree as I learn a lot from posters and quite often their links are even better.
Take the good with the bad, everyone has an opinion.
Jeezus stupid! Don’t scroll down to the comments then you idiot!
(At least this article doesn’t have “the regulars” making their usual useless, stupid, down pulling comments… not yet, at least!)… I hate ignorance!
Ah, now a GOOD Anonymous shows up.
-Anonymous-
” Ah, round eye, you work for me now. “
I have read so much religion here that I am now a priest in the Church of ANON.
Have to have lots of Guns and Ammo to become a member.
If you have a Real Tank that is in service, I will make you Pope. No questions asked. APC will get you a Cardinal Position.
“I have read so much religion here that I am now a priest in the Church of ANON.
It had the complete opposite affect on me.
Too much Religion turned me into a “non-deity worshiper”.
I’m a Spiritual kind of guy – and that’s about as far as it goes for me ツ
FTW, right you are. Religion is different than spiritualism.
FTW
Too bad you don’t have a tank that works. Best Pope mobile ever.
US warships in the South China Sea. And the Chinese are the bad guys? US warships in the Black Sea. Limited by treaty, but the US violates the spirit of the treaty by placing naval weapon systems on the Romanian coast of the Black Sea. And the Russians are the bad guys? How about Chinese and Russian ships in the gulf of Mexico off the coast of Houston. How would we feel? Military Industrial Complex. Keep an eye on the propaganda. They’re trying to build consensus for war.
Him
The Russians will use the “Bear’ to do recon. Seen a few of them in the past.
Unfortunately…….too many Americans always fall for it.
Same here in Australia.
Phucking hopeless.
‘They’re trying to build consensus for war.”
They don’t want war just the threat of it. Not any war as people in mud huts have a limited ability to be the excuse for 100 billion dollar weapons systems and the profits are too low in infantry weapons. They need a continuous cold war that simmers just shy of hot.
I’m waiting for the final threat to be alien invaders.
Damn right! Imma shoot down every one of those halographic spaceships!
Ha Ha……good point K2.
I’ll be helping “the aliens”……..humans have wasted any claim they ever had to being an intelligent life form.
remember this one?
“beam me up scotty there is NO inteligent life here”
HA HA
Nice Apache !
Why do they continue to refer to Sovereign Nations as a State? As the saying goes ” A lie told often enough becomes the truth” such as, in this country we have a democracy, WRONG. We do have 50 Sovereign States in the Sovereign Nation of the United States. So why do they call China a State and very often I hear them call Israel a State. I guess since we now have a One World Government in the (United Nations) all countries are just States. Trekker Out
They look pretty, but can they fight?
Nevermind. Don’t answer that. 🙂
Someone not taking their Lydia Pinkham today.
Good one, bro. I had to do some research on Wikipedia for that.
funny 🙂
Hope USA BANS Chinese imported goods.
China will soon be pleading to do anything to trade
Mate…….
China trades with the world.
If the USA turns it’s back, two thing will happen.
1) China will flick the annoying fly off its arm. (USA)
2) USA, with PHUCK ALL MANUFACTURING BASE LEFT, will rip itself apart as Walmarts become COMPLETELY DEVOID OF THINGS TO SELL.
THINK!!!
I wonder how the world would take it if America suddenly enforced Chinese style rules in the waters of all of Hawaii to the Pacific coast of CONUS? The area of Hawaiian waters is really big. The area I have in mind is from the end of the Aleutians, South, to South point of Hawaii and the due east to the CA/MEX boarder. Then add 200 miles to that border.
Would the world squawk about that?
If China gets away with their asinine assertions, so should we.
Rellik –
You are very much correct on your post.
As is, and I’m sure you know – that Hawaii was never legally made a State. Hawaii was illegally occupied due to the threat of Japan.
United States technically annexed Hawaii without the approval and legal procedures from the natives.
U.S.A – “stealing other peoples Land from the very moment of inception”
Since I live here, let me educate you.
Yes Hawaii was “stolen”. Much in the
same way Kamehameha forced the islands
to become a kingdom. All done by acts
of war. War is historically a way of
nation building. If you don’t like it,
then win a war and force the people to do
as you wish, then re write the text books
to suit your purpose. Some people call this
history. PC crap doesn’t really mean
anything. Looking in my carport I
have a German and a Japanese vehicle.
Let me see, who won the war?
Hawaii is legally a state of America.
I am a citizen of the state of Hawaii.
I am an American.
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Check this information out Rellik
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Hawaii is not legally a state!
By Michael Rivero
It is easy to find the courage necessary to support a moral position if that position benefits oneself. True moral courage, however, is proven when one chooses to support that which is morally and ethically right even when such a position is to one’s one detriment.
The people of the United States find themselves in such a position right now, forced to choose between a moral and ethical position that carries with it the potential for “inconvenience”, or supporting the status quo and having to admit to themselves that they are not the champions of justice they imagine themselves to be. By the end of this article, you will know for yourself which one you are.
Most folks have heard that Hawaii is a state, one of the United States of America. Most people, including those who live in Hawaii, accept that statement as a fact.
But the reality is that in a world in which nations are as bound by the rule of laws as are the citizens of nations (if not more so), the truth is quite different!
The truth is that each and every step along Hawaii’s path from sovereign and independent nation, to annexed territory, to state, was done in violation of laws and treaties then in effect, without regard to the wishes of the Hawaiian people. Many people, including President Grover Cleveland, opposed the annexation of Hawaii.
But in the end, simple greed and military interest overrode any concerns of moral right and legality. Hawaii’s legitimate government was toppled using threat of American military force. Hawaii was stolen from her people for the benefit of wealthy American plantation owners and military interests, and the justifications for the crime were invented after-the-fact.
Hawaii’s government was overthrown on Jan. 17, 1893, by a relatively small group of men, most of them American by birth or heritage, who seized control of the Islands with the backing of American troops sent ashore from a warship in Honolulu Harbor. To this “superior force of the United States of America,” Queen Lili`uokalani yielded her throne, under protest, in order to avoid bloodshed, trusting that the United States government would right the wrong that had been done to her and the Hawaiian people.
Who were this group of American men and why did they overthrow the government?
Sugar!
FULL STORY: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/HAWAII/hawaii.php
ALL WAR is for one thing and that is POWER to control and then the MONEY it creates from that! control is a mental defect and creates MORE DEAD people than any other thing in history! IF these mentally defective people were removed from power, the war would stop, what do think is behind ISLAM and some other religions?? control of the people!! think about it, money is the secondary evil of the world, CONTROL of the people is the primary! and BEFORE you say it, I did NOT say all religions.just some which are really cults and NOT religion.
Gee, I guess we should have let the Japanese occupy Hawaii back in 1895, then, that would certainly be so much more acceptable, especially to the natives, than annexing the Islands ourselves.
I spent 9 years in the military and another 23 years with the DOD. With all the attitudes being that we should not get involved outside of the USA and the defunding of our military, I see this country eventually being hit hard. We have cut back on ships, closed bases and slowly stripped our military of funds. We have some of the best soldiers in the world and they will do what ever it takes to keep us safe, but society today seems to be totally against them. I look at a lot of the comments here and just shake my head. Some people seem to think if we completely disarm, then so will everyone else. Well, it aint gona happen. They are just looking for a sign of weakness. No body wants war, but it is a grim reality of keeping us and the world safe. If we just sit back a watch, Russia and China will slowly over power every small country between them and us and we will wake up with them at our doors.
JAS,
you are correct, but there are allot of us who believe we need a good strong military , just not controlled by political wants and desires, MOST of the people in the USA that are against more military are imigrants and should NOT be here anyway, also there are some brainwashed LIBTARDS that have askewed thinking. BUT for the most part a weak military is just another way to push the destruction of this country!
stay safe and ready as it probably will come down to some of us trying to save what is left of this country and helping to rebuild a GOOD solid country back again!
Rejecting selected China imports to America may make for exploding tempers over there. (That’s better than exploding shells here)
Let’s not make too much of this bluster. The solution is so simple. If China bars US ships from the South China Sea, we bar Chinese ships from US Territorial waters. The result, no Chinese merchant ships reach port in the United States. China would cave in less than one second. Even if China didn’t immediately cave, do you really care about WalMart and Chinese crap products? Really? Bring manufacturing jobs back to the United States. It would be great to be able to buy a simple kitchen appliance that wasn’t made in China.
It would be great but something like that would take years and years to actually make happen my friends…
KitchenAid Stand Mixers plus many gadgets
http://www.kitchenaid.com
Or
VitaMix
Blends and Liquifies
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Buffalo lips:
I put in a link to KitchenAid. The products are made in the USA. The stand mixer is iconic. They also make utensils, pots, dish washers, refrigerators, ovens, and other very solid products. There is no justification for wasting money on cheap garbage from China that will no doubt be a bad investment. Buy American.
The post is stuck in moderation.
.TOUGH sledding here. China holds a huge amount of our debt, they also import an enormous amount of goods and materials into our country. They COULD engage in economic warfare and crash our economy. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn’t paying attention, it would hurt them but not nearly as badly as a shooting war with us would. America is vunerable on many fronts, too many to mange IMO. Our fractured society and crumbling political system makes us weak and indecisive, theirs and Russia’s BEST move would be to wait and let the rot we have intensify. My biggest fear is that at some point soon our generals will make the same assessment and decide a conflict now rather than latter is our only logical recourse. If so it’s Mad Max time for the world. Hope I’m wrong got a grand daughter due this summer, really hope she has a chance at a becent life, I wouldn’t bet on it though.
Bigbluedrew…..that was a really good post.
Well said.
A suggestion for your newborn grand daughters name:
“Apology”
For that is what America owes this entire planet, and is the ONLY THING that will save any of us.
Peace.
Thanks Smokey, sink the damn ships.
HCKS.
Thought the Chicoms were smart. If they take the cheese it’s over for them.