“October Surprise”? Sudden Economic Meltdown Could Throw Elections, Decide Next President

by | Sep 30, 2016 | Aftermath, Conspiracy Fact and Theory | 144 comments

Do you LOVE America?



    The warning is out there.

    What happens between now and the elections could be more chaotic than (almost) anyone imagined.

    Hillary has been struggling in the polls, and Trump had some difficult moments in the debate. As it stands, things could swing either way, and the establishment has more than one trick up their sleeve.

    But are they planning another notorious ‘October Surprise’ to bring an unpredictable and superseding factor into the account before the election? The Iranian Hostage crisis gave Reagan and the shadow government team backing him the secret advantage in 1980.

    Today, we could see something truly unforeseeable, and it could launch one of the two candidates right into office.

    Namely, if the shoe drops on the economy before November, it will be clear we are in a whole new ballgame.

    And it could happen.

    Conventional wisdom says that a serious economic downturn might help to boost Trump into the White House, but this is anything but a conventional political cycle, and all the typical advice is out the window.

    A bigger enough financial crisis could also give Hillary the pretext to assert how she would take charge of the government and economy in one carefully-manipulated vehicle. With Hillary so close to Goldman Sachs and Wall Street, it could be claimed that she has the ‘serious leadership’ and ‘tough experience’ that Trump the businessman has never dealt with.

    If the disaster is big enough, it will be only the ‘big boys’ and establishment hacks who can be trusted to deal with the fallout. Of course, that’s just one scenario that could play out.

    But the point is, that a major disaster is on the horizon, and it may well collide with the electoral process. This would put Americans at a sudden loss, but in uncharted waters as far as central bank and government control over our lives.

    Trump is claiming the Federal Reserve bubble could explode before the election… does he know something the rest of us don’t?

    OCTOBER SURPRISE! Donald Trump Says Economic Meltdown
    To Happen Before The Election!

    The United States is at a crossroads, and after the next shoe falls, there may be no turning back.

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      1. Our world as we know it is upside down.

        Who knows what to expect???

        • Always expect the unexpected.

          • Serious question.
            Got freeze dried food with a 25 year life, nearly 20 years old.

            How and why 25 years?
            If unopened, still in container, cool and dry, why not 50 years?
            I will keep it past date, but there must be a law about it stating so.
            Honey keeps for centuries.

            Something to think upon…

            • Honey condiment packets could be a tradeable iten when and if shtf actually happens.

              Never go bad on you…
              Investment and prepper tip…

              • Honey never spoils, but what is in those condiment packs is likely 80% corn syrup and only 20% honey. Never the less suckers money/trade value holds fast.

                Great idea to use the pretty for barter, save the real honey for your family/ tribe!

                American Indians sold their land for worthless beads.

                (Not being derogatory towards Native Ameticans, it’s just in the coming SHTF we will all be the Indians).

                • I kept about a half dozen honey packets in my truck. They’ve been in there for about a year and all of them have turned a really dark brown and a little runny. Maybe the temperature in my truck did it I’m not sure.

                  • Honey usually crystallizes, It doesn’t get runny. Probably was mostly corn syrup. BTW, crystallized honey turns back into the semi-liquid product we all know and love by merely heating it.

                • I have long questioned that account of the Indians selling land for beads. I believe that the real story is that a European,speaking in his native language, informed Indians that didn’t speak that language that they were offering the beads to purchase land, and the Indians,not knowing what was said to them, didn’t protest, hence, the sale was presumed to be “closed”. Just one man’s opinion…

                  • History lesson: There are signatures on the deed/agreement.

                    The Indians thought that land was “free” and could not be “owned” so they thought they were selling the white man something they didn’t own (LTAO); like if you were sitting next to a corvette at a park and an admirer came along and you sold it to him.

                    If you took a check you would be dumber than the buyer, but if you took “wampum” it was a barter for something you had never seen before: metal knives, axes, and manufactured beads. Ownership of land was not a concept indigenous to the Native American psychology. It was something they acquired from Europeans.

                    Remember for 12-14,000 years after the Ice Age their civilization never invented the wheel. They were not stupid, just stuck in a time warp. Their civilization did last for 12-14,000 years but every good thing must come to an end.

                    Western Civilization has lasted about 2-3,000 years and we have the ability now to destroy everything. Even the Chinese have only been organized for 5-6,000 years.

                    It was a good run while it lasted. 🙂

                  • You mean like show an Indian chief a pretty piece of paper with pretty writing, look a pen, I can sign here, here’s the pen you try to make a pretty mark right here…….. Very nice, here’s more pretty beads. I’ll give the pretty paper to my king to hang on his refrigerator……. Thus was born the first land deed in the new world.

                • “American Indians sold their land for worthless beads. ”

                  Did they really or is that the American government propaganda spin on it? After all many think the Indians got what they deserved because they were such a bunch of ignorant savages, right? I don’t believe this lie that we were taught in school.

                  The Indians were not morons. Look up the Iroquois Confederacy to learn more about the people Americans love to insult and ridicule.

              • One of my favorite writers…

                ht tp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-30/hunter-s-thomsons-prescient-1972-warning

              • One of my favorite writers…

                ht tp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-30/hunter-s-thomsons-prescient-1972-warning

                • There was a carjacking today at a Walmart in Harrisburg pa. Guy jumps in a car, two women were in it, he says he’s gonna kill them if they don’t do what he says. So they start driving down the road and the lady who wasn’t driving pulled out her pistol and fired. Guy gets out and starts running, possibly wounded. Manhunt, choppers, dogs, the works. Damn gun toting woman. Poor guy just needed a ride.

                  • Some here talk down to women.

                    These girls rock.

                    • PTPO, great to say my 3 gals in my life can shoot most any weapon.
                      Having shootapalosas for 7 years made them quite proficent.
                      But wait, I have no weapons at all, per one poster.
                      Think about that…

                  • Should have pulled the trigger more than once
                    Jus sayin

            • Long term food storage?

              Generally recommended expiration is based on worst case storage conditions, no A/C, minimal heat (freezie thaw cycles not allowed) and poor humidity control 30 to 90%. Under ideal conditions that life can be doubled.

              If it’s in cans, humidity corrodes and can end the product. Cool and dry is the key. If I had a root cellar with humidity control, I’d be in prepper heaven.

              Cheese stored by civil defense from the 50’s is still being fed to children in US public schools 60 years later.

              Last best tip. Oil is essential in our diets. Rehydrated freeze dried works, but add a few tablespoons of olive oil and you have some energy, taste, and needed nutrients to better digest and exploit freeze dried foods.

              Typical foods that are freeze dried are either low in oils or have oils pressed out to insure it keeps. Thus powdered butter has but a five year shelf life, canned butter has a better lifespan. I bought some canned butter, but it’s expensive, I bought some for a moral food, it will be rationed.

              Oil in bottles (like olive oil) expires in just one year, but frozen it keeps indefinitely. Thus I freeze all oils that I buy and I keep about a two year supply in the back bottom of the freezer. Don’t worry if it’s in glass bottles, it doesn’t expand like water when it freezes. The glass is a bit more fragile at freezing temps, consider cardboard sleeves, but it keeps just fine. I rotate it it and use it. Once defrosted that one year expiration starts. Oil could be refrozen I believe.

              It is the missing link for survival. Nutritionally eating dandelions and grass will not sustain you, add oil and vinegar, and it makes all the difference. Add freeze dried onion, mushrooms, tomato, peppers and cheese, and you’ll be the fat man on the block!

              • Look into canned Ghee. No freezing needed and you need less for cooking. Also, if you are raising a milk producing animal, you can make butter and ghee(which is clarified butter).

            • Dear Eppe,

              Regarding your comments, yes, that shelf-stable food is good for 50 years or more. Just keep it in a cool, dry area with no extremes and sudden extreme changes in temperature.
              There’s a site out there that gives the true meaning for all of the shelf dates and expiration dates, explaining how they are a guideline for when it is at its peak, but (most foods) are still safe and viable long after the date is reached.
              The IGA (Int’l Grocers Assn.) and the FDA are in cahoots to make product rotate and keep the commercial hamster wheel spinning. Companies throw out stuff or give it to food banks and still write it off at cost, as a loss.
              Please be advised: for antibiotics, such as penicillin and tetracycline, those two in particular..get rid of ’em when they expire…they break down and cause hepatotoxicity (poisonous to the liver). Amoxicillin, on the other hand, lasts the longest I’ve found…more than 15 years, and I personally used 16 year old Amoxicillin and it worked.
              If you enter “expiration dates” a site will pop up with all of this stuff pertaining to food. Meds aren’t as long-lasting, and you’ll have to do some research on each one. Maybe I’ll do an article on all of this stuff, and dedicate it to you, if you wish.

              Respectfully Yours,


              • JJ, I do enjoy your articles.
                Food will be paramont in the future.
                I always question the length of time for a product to stay edible…

                Be well sir…

                • In Guam 1975 we got hit with a super typhoon called Pamela.
                  The only food I had for months was dated early 1950’s
                  “C” rations. All except the ham and eggs was pretty good.
                  If you could heat up the ham and eggs they weren’t all that bad.
                  I’ve eaten MREs that were the same age. Humans will eat anything, that is why we are here, alive, and prospering.

              • Expired Pharmaceutical Medications just loose their efficacy/ potency as time rolls on and basically it turns into placebos. Expired Meds is what you barter out to someone else. Also handling meds which you have no prescription for, or experience in administering, will get you in trouble or get you dead, or cause adverse reactions or allergic reactions. Do you homework, pretenders playing Doctor will kill people. The Goal is DO NOT Do MORE HARM to the Patient. Stupidity will kill a lot of people in SHTF. Mostly self inflicted via EGO’s.

                ~WWTI… Ex-Paramedic.

              • Thank you JJ, as always, constructive info

              • JJ:

                Antibiotics give you candida (yeast overgrowth). What are the best solutions in SHTF. Most now take probiotics. Aren’t there probiotics in fresh yogurt? What else? I heard years ago people actually ate healthy people’s feces to cure stomache issues caused by a yeast problem. What I want to say is too funny, but I’ll withhold myself. Lol!?


                • BCA, let it out…
                  African women ate kaolin clay to balance the intestines.
                  White clay is the stuff in drywall, or used to be.
                  Kopectate is just clay…

                • I recently heard about some group making feces capsules from skinny people to use for intestinal flora replacement in overweight people for weight loss. Gross.

              • personally used 16 year old Amoxicillin and it worked.

                I have a doctor friend who advised that amoxicillin that is old is still good, but you should increase the dose as it may loose it’s potency.

              • “Companies throw out stuff or give it to food banks and still write it off at cost, as a loss.”

                Point of Order.

                Grocery stores can write off food donations at MARKET VALUE, not cost. That’s the incentive to donate rather than just throw it out. 🙂

                • As for the taste of freeze dried foods, I am expecting to mix it with canned food, like, say beef stew, to stretch the grub and improve the taste.

                  That’s my take. 🙂

            • Smart Preppers rotate their food out like ammo on a regular basis, stooped people wait till the expiration dates are about to expire, then panic asking stooped questions like why not 50 years? No worry though, since you have no weapons and still live in the burbs, you will have less than 6 months to live. So for you, don’t worry about it. lol

              ~WWTI… Dopes give bad advice. Smart people know the difference.

              • How does one rotate 25 year freeze dried food?
                Spin the container 90 degrees?
                Canned food, sure.
                Meds, yes.

                Too bad you will die early as a lone wolf.
                Your neighbors are waiting on the right time to take you out.

                Just blow the airhorn…
                Pop, pop, pop, then metal detect your property. No brainer…

                • LMAO_HAHAHAHAHA

                • freeze dried food tastes like CRAP. I have yet to find anything worth eating that was freeze dried.

                  • I have cattle, chickens, pigs and neighbors I don’t like( but they are a long ways away)
                    Freeze dried tastes like cat shiite.

                  • If you go to hotels that serve a breakfast bar, the trays of eggs are always powdered eggs. Yet people eat them up. I’ve never heard of anyone complain, unless the powder to water ratio was off, or they rushed them out before the water was absorbed. A good cook can add a few spices and make a world of difference. The taste of the water used to rehydrate is also important.

                    I know I’ll be less than overjoyed if I must eat freeze dried. But if there is nothing else, it will be wonderful on that day. My prior comment suggesting a quality oil to add to cooking stands. A lot of flavor comes from the fat in food. Freeze dried has little fat, that must be remedied. There’s few calories in freeze dried and a lot in oils. Find the right blend.

                  • Final thought,

                    To those that say you can’t eat gold. Gold has since the beginning of recorded time bough bread. The going rate has varied from 300 to 388 loaves per Troy ounce. In good times its 320 to 350 loaves per ounce.
                    The only time in history gold doesn’t buy bread is when there isn’t any bread. Thousands of fiat currencies have come and gone, but gold always buys bread.

                    For the day gold fails to buy bread, freeze dried food will taste just fine.

            • I have some 40 years old. Opened some to try = as good as new! Neolife is the brand. Don’t think they are around anymore.

              • Thank you janie.
                I figured so.
                If canned foods from shipwrecks a centrury ago are still good, why not sealed meals freeze dried?
                I do know that one needs to rotate.

                I plan to keep all I have aquired over time, or my girls get it, either way it is a plus…

            • Liar, they didnt even make freeze dried survival food 20 years ago. If so tell us the brand name and product code number? Just more BS from the liar to make us believe he preped that long ago. Hell they only started selling MRE’s to the public like 10 years ago. I call eppes story BS once again. So prove the brand name and product code. Liar snail. He doesnt even know the difference between real raw honey and the GMO Honey packets. Sheesh…trading stolen honey packets. You gonna barter MacDonalds katsup packets too? LMFAO… Another whopper..

              -WWTI… eppe will put the freze dried food on his engine block and drive backwards for 25 years to reset the expiration date on the food. His newest prepper tip. lol.

              • Does it need to say survival food for you to eat it?!They have been making freeze dried foods for many decades,though the process basics have been around a lot longer: ht tp://inventors.about.com/od/famousinventions/fl/Lyophilization-Freeze-Freeze-Dried-Food.htm ,this is a good start article,you know the spacing drill to avoid moderation game.

                So,I call bullshit on post claiming only 20 years,unless,as mentioned,it need to say survival for you to eat it.You need that your survival chances are nil!

                • That’s it!I am throwing out all the rice/beans/canned goods ect.Why you ask,well…..it doesn’t say “survival food”on it,what the hell was I thinking!

                  Dammit,perhaps I need to check the labels on all me med stock,not sure they say “survival” either!

                  • Warchild –

                    That’s right dude … if it don’t say “survival food” on the label … it just isn’t going to do you any good.

                    What you have done is … not only wasted your money on a poor decision, but also valuable time that could of been spent elsewhere … how could you be so damn foolish?

                    [sarcasm off!]

                    How about some more Billy Joel to ease your worries ツ

                    You’re Only Human (Second Wind) – Billy Joel

                    Duration: 4:50


              • The problem with a cyberbullying troll is that it detracts from his/her credibility to the point that eventually,no one will believe anything you say, since it’s most likely driven by the troll’s desire to disruptive, and not actually add anything useful to the discourse. As Mr. Calculator will happily attest, freeze-dried foods for recreational backpackers and even the military has been a reaity for more than 40 years. To Wit: Mountain House was making for the military and backpackers as far back as the early 1970’s…

        • Gravity keep the world right side up dopey. You must be drunk again on the ground looking up. You sound panicky, like others not prepared. That’s why you have no idea what to expect, you never read the articles or act on the intel.

          ATTN Real Preppers who act. Here is a deal today-
          -5 Gal Jerry GAS CANS
          Just $32.99 lots of these 5 Gal cans now cost $65+

          ht tp://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/nato-military-jerry-can-fuel-steel-tank-20l-5-1-4-gallon?a=2087552

          Get filled up now..


        • Goodbye Everybody,

          I’m leaving to make a solo attempt on the highest mountain in the continental US.

          Be back in 10 days.

          • Good luck and stay warm up there Acid!

          • Acid:

            So cool. Literally.

            Wish I was there. I’ll be thinking of you and wishing you well. If you see a shadow and you think somebody’s there, it’s probably me. Don’t trip acid, I’m a friendly spirit.


          • Acid, have a great trip.
            Take lots of pics.
            Would be cool to post them here.

            Be careful sir…

          • Gitr done.

          • Good luck!

          • Good luck Acid! My sleeping bag is good to minus 40. Hope yours is as well. Keep your toes warm and you will keep your toes. And remember, if you sit on your hands to keep them warm, you will freeze your balls off.

            Best advice I could think of …… 🙂




      2. “October Surprise”? Sudden Economic Meltdown Could Throw Elections, Decide Next President

        “The warning is out there.”

        Indeed it is … and it seems most of America appears to be oblivious to dire threat of our economic troubles.

        • Yup,
          They are more interested in Amber and her giant ass on DWTS than anything real,,,

        • oblivious? or just don’t care….

      3. “October Surprise”? Sudden Economic Meltdown Could Throw Elections, Decide Next President

        “The warning is out there.”

        Indeed it is … and it seems most of America appears to be oblivious to the dire threat of our economic troubles.

        • Oohhh … a “Double Whammy”

          • What’s worse then a double whammy,getting that damned Billy Joel song stuck in me head!Damn,you,was prepping dinner and caught it floating in me head!I will turn laptop into stereo and cleanse me brain1

            • LOL Warchild – I guess “I started the fire” on that one … but … it is a good song though, and a bit catchy. ツ

        • We are talking about a “coup d’état” of the US government, lead by President Obama.

          It likely won’t go unnoticed!

          How fast can a million US patriots be in DC? They’d have to shut down all trains busses and highways in every possible direction.

      4. No money, no food. Canned goods have been taken from the bottom of the Ocean and they were still good. No bacteria was found. Slight reduction in nutrition compared with newly canned items. Best by dates are a good way for you to keep tract but have no real meaning for consumers. They are there to keep track of inventory, for the most part.

        Do not keep tomatoe products in cans for long term. Tomatoes corrode the can. They are acidic.
        Check all cans for swelling. A sure sign of bacteria is a swollen top or bottom or one that flexes when you press on it.


        • Tomato not toma toes.

          Toes need to be taken care of. No doc, no medicine. Foot problems can knock you off your feet.
          Clean feet with hydrogen peroxide. Use Gold Bond medicated foot powder, or your own personal choice. Stack plenty of medicated sprays and creams for athletes feet and jock itch. These come in various strengths. Read the contents and get the maximum strength.

          Whether at home or in the wild, keep socks changed at least once daily. Keep feet dry. Don’t underestimate this problem. Deal with it.


          • B from Ca,old trick to get rid of athletes foot.First piss of the morning,pee on your feet,wait about 10 minutes before you wash.Be gone in a couple days,yes it works when you don’t have medicine.Don’t ask,lol
            Maniac –out

            • LaManic:

              Ammonia in pee. That’s what does it. Some soak feet in ammonia, but I like your idea. Very au natural.

            • So I can assume there is no fungus in my shower stall then…

            • Always heard to piss on jellyfish stings.
              Makes sense now…

              Be well all…

        • green beans in a can do not last AT ALL….

      5. I don’t keep metal cans long term anymore. I had stocked up a bit for Y2K but, like B frum CA sez, the maters ate the cans. I ended up composting what I didn’t want or eat.

        We home can our “stockpile” in glass. From mountain beef to valley beef. From collards to cauliflower. It keeps forever as long as the seal is good. A couple years ago, I was arranging food and came across a quart of pears that was at least 15 years old. The fruit was still good but soft. I don’t much care fer pears is why they were still there.

        I just opened a jar of chicken marked 2009 and made some chicken noodle soup on this damp rainy day. Good stuff.

        We also got those Tattler reuseable lids a couple years ago to try out. They are still holding their seal, so I would recommend them.

        We got a five gallon bucket of kraut goin’ that will need canned up in a few weeks. You don’t really need to can it if you have a cool cellar, but we choose to. If you do your own food you know what is in the jar as far as chemicals (none) and preservatives (salt, vinegar).


        Sorry for any errors but these dang drivers are distracting me while I type and drive. snort

        • Have a beer, itll take the edge off so you can type better

          • Wwti, we all know this is you.
            You are the only one to make such a fuss over nothing.
            Too bad about your neighbor.
            Shudda been you…

            • Funny, more than me sees what a typing drunk you are. Friday night, you are home and drunk as usual and typing BS, and your wife is out on the town, with her secret date.

              Oh and your shootapaloosa was cancelled last year, you friggin liar, check the archives. All no shows. Get your girls .22 pea shooter out did ya? So they take the front line while you sit in the house and drink more courage. A real man huh? Coward.

              Hear about that home invasion in Gwinnett Co a week ago, 5 thugs busted in an apartment and the Guy shot 3 of them. Since eppe has no weapons, except for his girls pea shooter, eppe will get beaten like a idiot soon enough. Good riddance. I will laugh.

              ~WWTI… Can’t fake prepping.

              • Only in your messed up little mind…

      6. I do not want to turn back,fuck that noise.Clear the deck and new build with solid ideas like bill of rights that is actually followed/not screwed with.Make a republic and put in place the tools to keep it,this will require sacrifices.

        On a prep note,many,including Warchild use the small Sawyer filters,rather a plastic bottle to fill then bladder comes with and unfortunately too many plastic bottles around.I have tested on purposefully ? water and works,but,remember,whatever container you use make sure is after filling well dried on outside with shirt/sun/ect.All it takes is a drop of contaminated water to make you ill,no big deal while toilet close by and all but potentially a death sentence if way out camping or things just fall apart.

        This site been a bit slow loading for me tonight,wonder if prelude to net handover.

        • Same here on the slow

        • Warchild, spot on about the Sawyer filters. Braveheart uses Sawyers and swears by them. I’ve got the Mini, the All-In-One, and 2 of the Water Filter Bottles. the bottles have a built-in filter which can be cleaned and never need replacing. http://www.sawyer.com has them.

      7. WD

        Slow Loading for sure.

        • Currently I have 7 websites loaded up … all of them are functioning normal … except for SHTFplan – probably needs a server reboot.

          • FTW- Its all of the advertising trying to load that doesn’t have secure certificates. Spam blocker and spyware is probably working properly and creating delays. Or its all the liquor Drool from eppe slobbering all over the site with his nonsense.

            Time to throw “Otis, this Sites Drunk” in his cage for the night, like Mayberry RFD.


          • Run NoScript on your PC. It stops all the BS scripts and makes sites like this run so much better. Cuts the ads too.

            • Better yet, run the TOR browser that has NoScript installed already.
              Think communications OPSEC.


        • Took several attempts for it to come up.

      8. Timely post.

        Comes out the same day that news comes out theyre going to make the Deutsche bank “all better”.

        I’d bet my car that the markets make all time highs vs. anything seriously going wrong before the election.

        Yes, it’s true eventually the markets will fall apart but a legendary finicial guy calculated that europe and japan could keep the smoke and mirrors going for another 3 to 5 years.

        i’m expecting news highs before election.

      9. If it appears Trump is going to win TPTB will do at least one of four things; make real threats against him forcing him to blow the election, somehow compel the majority of those who cast the electoral votes to vote for HC, orchestrate mass cheating at the polls (for which the Dems are famous), or any combination of these. If DT continues and does win they will collapse the economy and create social mayhem in the interim between the election and the inauguration of the new prez.
        They want to hand over the country to HC in as good as shape as they can and trying to hold it all together until then. She despises the middle class as does those institutions that support her and working to get her elected. The MSM is constantly denigrating and ridiculing DT, even personally, hardly objective, it is obvious they are a de facto arm of the statist government/corporate/elitist entity, and already trying to convince the public it’s basically over to diminish the probability that DT supporters will vote.
        If HC wins then each and every citizen should conduct their lives in the same manner as she has (after all, she has done nothing wrong, right). A majority is not necessary, if only a large segment does this it will render society unmanageable, ungovernable. Either way, the fun is about to begin.

      10. Same shit different day, same tomorrow and next week. We need to come together and fight these crooked politicians, bankers, and blood sucking uber-rich families or we need to just say screw it all, what happens, well happens. Because the longer this plays out the worse and harder it will be for us to stand against the evils of this world…

        • Who is John Galt!

      11. “If the disaster is big enough, it will be only the ‘big boys’ and establishment hacks who can be trusted to deal with the fallout…”

        As a matter of fact, it is the big boys, establishment hacks and Hitlery’s cronies at Goldmun Suchs that CREATED this mess.

      12. Hurricane Matthew is now a Category 5 storm, with winds of 160 mph. It’s been 9 years since there was one that strong in the Atlantic. The latest models show it getting near the NC coast by the end of next week.

        We’re ready, except for taking down the bird feeders.

        • Arch,do as me mom does when really bad weather going to hit the island she lives on(Vineyard).She puts out extra feed to help em fill up before the tough weather to help the little ones ride it out.So,seed/thistle/suet ect.,a little extra for the little dudes,fatten em up a bit.

        • Archivist, Yes, That Hurricane Matthew, sounds wicked. Glad it’s taking a sharp right turn and heading north. We don’t need that over here in the warmer waters of the Gulf. Hope the best for you all up there in NC. Batten down the hatches. How far inland are you? The Atlantic coast will get hammered, storm surges and beach erosion from FL to Virginia.

          Keep this website handy to see the tracking of Matthew:

          ht tp://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?5-daynl#contents

          ~WWTI… That site tracking Map is a good illustration of how big it really is. Also check out the other maps associated with it, wind speed, rain, etc.

          • I’m not on the Outer Banks, but I’m pretty close. If Matthew comes anywhere near here, we will lose power and the back yard will flood as we own to the centerline of the swamp.

            The area had pretty bad flooding from the remnants of Julia, and it is still wet around here. So there will be really major flooding if Matthew gets close. Our house won’t flood, but the area roads will flood, so we will be stuck at home for a few days.

            • Archivist:

              Good luck. At least you are prepared and will have your books. I really appreciate your posts even if I don’t acknowledge all the time. Thanks. Will keep you in my thoughts.


      13. Shall will should would may might must can COULD. Lot,s of bad things Could happen? The only thing that for certain is Death and Taxes. And death COULD happen at any moment. I hope that Grim Reaper Dood pays Hellery a visit before its too late. The Devil already has her soul.

      14. Anyone watching History channel?
        ‘Doomsday: 10 ways to die’.
        Grim outcome from a large rock from space.

        We are such a fragile entity on this 3rd rock from our star…

        • I did to a point and I fell to sleep.

          That is true, regarding the rock from space.

          If we are hit, and it can happened, I hope its not one that large.

          By the way. I disagree with the narrators comment regarding the the debris was left over from the creation of our solar system.

          I believe it is the remains of a planet that once was part of our solar system.

          • W&W, per Sitchkin, per the Sumerian clay tablets, yes a big rock came in and hit earth.
            It blew off lots of rocks that formed our moon.
            But who really knows???

        • I believe you will die from somebody just kicking your ass. No mystery there dopey.


          • No worries here.
            Watch those neighbors of yours, a stray .22 could make to expire.
            Oh I forgot .22’s cannot kill…

            Jeez, some here are stupid…

            • Still drinking?? So which side of the world is up today? Or upside down for you? Do you now have a better perspective once you got off the floor from passing out last night, drunk as a skunk? LMFAO!!!

              ~WTTI… Typing at midnight, when you should banging your wife. loser. But since she cut you off, of all sex, you have no choice but to drink and type. Sorry to hear about your luck!!

              • Since you asked, I had great sex last night after 3am.
                Just as I thought. 500 women?
                How many STDs do you have???
                Peter North can claim that, what do the readers here think???

                • Wwti, I will bet you got a fefe bag set up for your jollies…

                • So eppe you had great sex after 3AM? You had to wait till 3AM for your wife to fall into a deep sleeping coma, then you attacked her for 10 seconds of great sex eh? WTF?

                  ~WWTI… I bet your Peruvian sheep herder mail order bride, has no idea what you do to her in the middle of the night. I see you hit her hole at least twice over 20 years, eh? Sorry about your luck..

          • WWTI –

            If Mac still had the up/down thumb votes – I’m sure most, if not all of your posts would be “minimized”.

            You are providing more damage here, than anything remotely being good.

            “You gotta grow and let it go”

            … and on that note, and for your viewing pleasure.

            Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back – Internet

            Duration: 3:02

            “Those not familiar with Jay & Silent Bob – WARNING – STRONG LANGUAGE”


            • Fuck off Nazi Free speech hater.

              -WWTI… the thumbs is a childs game and lying dopes will continue to be called out. Unless you enjoy being lied to? Some do. Its an ego thing.

              • I’m all for free speech … lately, you are just abusing yours.

                You say the Thumbs ▲ ▼ is childish … yet your constant attacks towards Eppe isn’t?

                Its an ego thing.

                Really? … only one here who is stoked up on an ego is you.
                Parading around as if you are better than everybody else here … that kind of bravado will end up getting the best of you down the road.

                You appear completely affixiated with Eppe – as in … if you two were a couple of Queer lovers and Eppe broke off the relationship with you and you are utterly angry with him and his decision.

                Whether you think/feel/know Eppe is a liar – is a moot point.
                Consistently clogging up the Board with senseless Trolling Tactics needs to come to an end.

                Nobody cares about your position – except for you!

      15. I gotta ask, is there a (email?) list for when the actual SHTF? How do we know, as close to the event as possible?
        (I dont like in the US but imagine it will have consequences everywhere else, and I’d like to be ahead of the pack for bank runs etc.)

        Not talking about the usual story, but you know, stock market crashes by 50% style events. MAJOR once in 8 year type stuff

        • Probably too much potential for abuse with something like that. Might be problems for OPSEC too.

          • Can you still do things like RSS feeds?
            (or some sort of polling w/ category of EMERGENCY or something?)
            I’m sure there’s tech out there to do it, its just how you make use of it

      16. Arch, as wet as N. C. is now there won’t be a tree standing in the state if a cat 5 comes in. One station stated (a little early) that it was tracking close to Hazel’s path. Put your fishing nets in the clothes line, maybe some good will come out of the storm.
        stay safe

        • It’s now down slightly to 155 mph, but the models now show it aimed at eastern NC.

          ht tps://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2016/Tropical-Storm-Matthew?map=model

          I believe it was Hurricane Charlie that gave us small fish in the back yard for a short time years ago.

      17. eppe
        your earlier post made me think of this story I saw some years back

        Mountain House: Food that has lasted half a long lifetime

        ht tp://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070917.htm

      18. LOL


      19. A poster mentioned coconut oil as a good source of energy food wise/nutrition.The thing is,here in New England we are not inundated with a natural supply of trees to make our own,any products worth a damn.I am leery as many sources of supposed olive oil have been shown to be bogus and have other not so good for you oils,unfortunately probably also true about coconut oil.

        • Warchild, look for olive oil from Italy.

        • Costco organic extra virgin olive oil is real and affordable. Keep cool. One poster mentioned freezing. Doesn’t expand like water. Good to know.


        • Up north you should have milking animals. Make butter and then make ghee to use as cooking oil.

      20. drunkinhusband- I’d hand cuff him to the pole in the basement, so he can’t type. Oh he’s bigger than life, just ask him, he’ll tell ya. Always trying to drop little seeds to make everybody think, he’s been prepping for 20 years. lol His actually prepping, can’t keep up with his bigger than life ego. Bottom line, You can’t fake prepping. Drunks exaggerating, will get their asses handed to them soon enough.

        Ask eppe why he is not allowed to have any weapons or a BOL. His wife said “No” on the BOL, besides that suicide watch thingy, the judge also said No weapons. lol. Must suck when your wife wears all the pants in the family, and he’s reduced to family dog status, and sleeps on the back porch snoring it all till morning.

        He usually runs from this site over to Facebook to see how many likes he has. Oh and that 4 million friends? Not really that many. That is a Facebook ego stoker to keep dopey coming back.


        • HEY asshole…knock IT the fuck OFF. YOUR stupid bullshit comments marketed under numerous names is childish, boring and majorly annoying as hell. You do have some legitimate comments from time to time, and they are appreciated. Stick to the story and leave people the hell alone.

      21. NO ! YOU’RE KIDDING ME ?

      22. Chuffeur is right. I’ve been using extra virgin oil from Italy for decades, cooking and salads. My skin is soft and supple, tans nicely, little wrinkles. Good to go. Also helps keep joints lubed, and is heart healthy.


      23. Why not use all the different oils?

        Nuts are a great oil provider…

        • “soft and supple skin” and it is well suited for spanking the monkey!

          • Hello anon.

      24. If you use oils of olive or coconut on your hair at night, brush tangles out of long hair, wash in the morning or just rinse with vinegar, you’ll have hair like a lions mane, magnificent.

        Rub your whole body down with it after a shower. And yes it can be a family affair. Much better than the chemical laden expensive lotions. Use Vasoline to start other type of fire. It is petroleum based. Yuk.

        Your skin will be as soft as a baby’s no matter your age. You won’t crack. Not even if you’re white.


        • BCA, my wife is of Peruvian Spainish decent.
          In the 1st year of newborn, shave the hair twice.
          Make hair twice as thick.
          Both girls have awesome thick hair.
          And they do not think paternal, more maternal…

          Worked for us…

          • So thats why your daughter looks black like a dark east Indian, black eyes, and hangs out with blacks and dates black guys. I seen her picture. Peruvian? Thats negro and spanish mix. Couldn’t score a white chick to safe your sorry ass life eh? Loser!! LMFAO!!!

            -WWTI…eppe lived at home with his mom, then married a mail order peruvian sheep herder. Lol. Keep em coming.

            • Notice Eppe said “Peruvian Spanish decent”
              He did not say “afro-peruvian”.

              There are two types of Peruvian Decents in South America.


              There’s a difference.

              • I too, am surprised by this attack on Eppe’s wife. She’s HIS and if he’s happy with her, that’s great in my book. WhoWTFKnows also makes references to Eppe’s alleged alcoholism,leading me to wonder how–since it seems unlikely the two actually know one an other–he chooses to level that allegation against Eppe. Have to wonder if WhoWTFKnows is an alcoholic, and basically shifting his guilt onto someone he perceives to be a handy target. I’m willing to bet that if any of us can learn WhoWTFKnows’s name and state of current occupation, we can do a background check on him.I’ll bet we’ll find an interesting arrest record,likely to include domestic violence, DUI,maybe worse. Just one man’s theory…

        • I save dryer lint and use Vaseline to mold them into fire starter pucks.

        • George Lindsey (Goober) once told a joke about Vaseline. I can’t find the text, so here’s what I remember of it:

          A woman was going door to door doing a survey for Vaseline. She knocked on one door and asked the man who answered what he used Vaseline for.

          He said, “I use it for sex.”

          She was shocked, but still asked how he used it for sex.

          He said, “I use it to grease the bedroom door knob so the kids can’t come in while we’re having sex.”

      25. Here was an article that I enjoyed , and the reason I come to this site. Also, mostly good comments and advice.

        I want to see more of this !!!!!! 🙂

        Thanks !!

      26. I wonder about the time of day that we will find out that the world has gone to hell. What time of day would you prefer? Early in the morning? After dinner? At work? Would you prefer to hear from stranger in the street? Hear it on the news? What would be your preferences?

        • Brian.

          I would like it to happen in the morning. A nice sunny day with a cool temperature. Right after the coffee is ready. Turn on the Flat Screen and the News has gone bug shit crazy. A flash in the sky and everything stops.


        • Anytime of day while working in the garden. Listening to the birds and the neighbor’s dogs.

          Then noticing how quiet things have become. No motor noises, no ACs turning on, no more loud commands from the principle’s office at the local H.S.

          Shhhhhhhh. Listen. Just nature crooning on God’s timing.

          The calm before the storm. Before the wailing, screaming, gun shots…

      27. Hilary. The very best candidate Geo Soreazz and Goldmun Suchs money can buy!!!

      28. No Nation Has EVER Taxed Itself Into Prosperity

        You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating working Americans out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. Government cannot give to anybody anything that government does not first take from somebody else. When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to pay for them – and when that paying half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they worked so hard for, then that, my friend, is the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth to help the poor by dividing it.

        • …”For a Nation to try to tax itself into Prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the bail”

          Winston Churchill

      29. Christ told John Leary in the latest locutions that the election could be cancelled either due to banks failing OR a nation-wide power failure.

        Don’t underestimate the Chinese and Russian soldiers here attacking our unsecured power stations and then attacking us or they will used to confiscate guns, now that the U.N. as of today (10/1) was given control of the U.S. Internet, thanks to John Kerry and Chairman Obama.

        • Lone Ranger

          Interesting read.

        • Putin said he has no interest in attacking America, as Russia alread has all the land they need. China has no way of getting here. Maybe stacked on a container ship. Much easier to unload an EMP. But that will only happen if Hildabeast is selected. Putin prefers Trump over Clinton. Trump is rational. Hillary is a screaming spaz ape.

          -WWTI… No more Bush’s or Clintons. GW Bush was 100 times worse than his father. Hillary is just batshit crazy.

      30. I still predict a False Flag nation wide power grid shutdown. Maybe just before the election? The voting machines wouldn’t work? Suspend or delay the election?

      31. Our government wants you to believe it is the Russians of the Chinese. They can not depend . On them to do it in the timeframe they need so more than likely our government will just blame them.

      32. I predict a hurricane named Matthew destroying Florida before election.

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