“The Market Has Turned”: It Begins… So How Bad Will the Crash of 2015 Become?

by | Aug 21, 2015 | Aftermath, Commodities, Conspiracy Fact and Theory | 261 comments

Do you LOVE America?



    This article was written by Michael Snyder and originally published at his Economic Collapse blog.

    Editor’s Comment: Well, unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists have been proven right, again. For months, voices in the alternative media have been highlighting the dire warnings of financial experts that things were unstable, that the stock market was headed for a crash, and that, essentially, the entire thing is a house of cards built on sand.

    People like Michael Snyder and Gerald Celente have put themselves out there to issue a warning. Like others in history, they are Cassandras, issuing unheeded warnings to a system that is too corrupt or too distorted to listen. Now the cracks in the dam are starting to burst open. Even if nothing bigger happens from this point on, there is a clearly a major disturbance throughout the entire economy. Asset prices are grossly distorted; the Fed has been pumping so much money that it has become too weak to stimulate the economy. China’s economy is devastated, and threatening to pull everyone else down with them. Is this really the beginning of the next great collapse? Let’s hope that the experts have not been right about that one too, because it is certainly going to hurt.

    We Have Already Witnessed The First 1300 Points Of The Stock Market Crash Of 2015

    By Michael Snyder

    What has been happening on Wall Street the past few days has been nothing short of stunning.  On Thursday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average plummeted 358 points.  It was the largest single day decline in a year and a half, and investors are starting to panic.  Overall, the Dow is now down more than 1300 points from the peak of the market.  Just yesterday, I wrote about all of the experts that are warning about a stock market crash in 2015, and after today I am sure that a lot more people will start jumping on the bandwagon.  In particular, tech stocks are getting absolutely hammered lately.  The Nasdaq has fallen close to 3.5% over the past two days alone, and it has dropped below its 200-day moving average.  The Russell 2000 (a small-cap stock market index) is also now trading below its 200-day moving average.  What all of this means is that the stock market crash of 2015 has already begun.  The only question left to answer at this point is how bad it will ultimately turn out to be.

    When stocks were booming, tech stocks were leading the way up.

    But now that the market has turned, tech stocks are starting to lead the way down…

    The Dow and the S&P 500 are negative for the year. The so-called “FANG” stocks – Facebook, Apple, Netflix, and Google – were some of the biggest losers, and helped send the Nasdaq more than 2% lower. Biotechs also suffered big losses; the iShares Nasdaq Biotechnology ETF fell 4% to a three-month low. The Vix, which gauges market expectations for near-term shifts in the S&P 500, surged more than 21%.
    And Twitter is absolutely imploding.  It has fallen below its IPO price, and at this point it is now down 65 percent from the peak.

    Of course it was inevitable that Twitter and these tech stocks would start falling eventually.  I specifically warned my readers about Twitter’s stock price nearly two years ago.  I hope people listened to what I was saying and got out in time.

    This current market crash is happening in the context of a full-blown global financial meltdown.  Stock markets all over the planet are collapsing, and currencies are being devalued left and right.  The following comes from a recent piece by Wolf Richter…

    Hot money is already fleeing emerging markets. Higher rates in the US will drain more capital out of countries that need it the most. It will pressure emerging market currencies and further increase the likelihood of a debt crisis in countries whose governments, banks, and corporations borrow in a currency other than their own.

    This scenario would be bad enough for the emerging economies. But now China has devalued the yuan to stimulate its exports and thus its economy at the expense of others. And one thing has become clear on Wednesday: these struggling economies that compete with China are going to protect their exports against Chinese encroachment.

    Hence a currency war.

    Two more major shots in the currency war were fired on Thursday by Kazakhstan and Vietnam…

    Hit by sharp declines in crude prices, the oil-producing nation of Kazakhstan introduced a freely floating exchange rate for the tenge, which subsequently lost more than a quarter of its value.

    The State Bank of Vietnam (SBV) devalued the dong (VND) by 1 percent against the dollar on Wednesday—its third adjustment so far this year—and simultaneously widened the trading band to 3 percent from 2 percent previously, the second increase in six days.
    A quarter of its value?

    Now that is a devaluation.

    In the coming days, we are likely to see even more emerging markets devalue their currencies in a global “race to the bottom”.  But this “race to the bottom” presents a great danger to financial markets.  As I have written about previously, there are 74 trillion dollars in derivatives globally that are tied to the value of currencies.  As foreign exchange rates start flying around all over the place, there are going to be financial institutions out there that are going to be losing obscene amounts of money.

    I cannot say the “d word” enough.  Derivatives are going to play a starring role during this financial collapse, and so that is a word that you will want to be listening for very carefully in the weeks and months to come.

    The meltdown that has already been affecting much of the rest of the planet is now starting to affect us.  And it was inevitable that it would.  I like how Clive P. Maund put it recently…

    Many lesser markets around the world are toppling, but somehow the big Western markets of Europe, Japan and the US are staying aloft. If you have ever made a sand castle on the beach and watched what happened when the tide comes in, you will recall that it is the weaker outer ramparts and smaller turrets that collapse first, and the big central towers that hold out the longest. The weaker outer ramparts and smaller turrets are the Emerging Markets which are already crumbling, and it won’t be long until the big central towers – the big Western Markets, go the same way – everything is pointing to it.

    The funny thing is that even though all of the signs are pointing to a nightmarish global financial crisis, the mainstream media continues to insist that everything is going to be just fine.

    In fact, CNBC says that the recent dip in stock prices is a “bull indicator” and they are encouraging everyone to pour lots more money into stocks.

    But of course the truth is that what financial conditions are really telling us is that stocks have much, much farther to fall.

    For instance, high yield credit is starting to crash just like it did prior to the stock market crash of 2008.  Stocks and high yield credit usually tend to track one another quite closely, and so when there is a divergence that is a huge red flag.  And as this chart from Zero Hedge demonstrates, a very large divergence has developed in recent months…

    Sadly, the 358 point plunge for the Dow on Thursday was just the beginning.

    Yes, there will be up days and down days, but we are now officially entering the “danger zone” as we roll into the months of September and October.

    So will 2015 soon be mentioned along with the famous market crashes of 1929, 1987, 2001 and 2008?

    beginning-of-the-end-snyderMichael T. Snyder is a graduate of the University of Florida law school and he worked as an attorney in the heart of Washington D.C. for a number of years.

    Today, Michael is best known for his work as the publisher of The Economic Collapse Blog and The American Dream.

    If you want to know what things in America are going to look like in a few years read his new book The Beginning of the End.


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          Will you fucking shitwipes stop with this fucking Donald Trump bullshit? He’s an empty suit. He’s a fucking flake. At least Bernie Sanders isn’t fucking fake.

          • You’re pretty flaky yourself Acid,calm down and take your meds….maybe a cool cloth on your forehead.

          • What Acid Etch said – probably the only post of his I’ll be able to agree with him on.

            Trump is and has played both sides of the isles folks.
            He will not get nominated as the finalist. Republicans hate him, and as obviously the Democrats do as well.

            Yes, he could run as an Independent, but he’ll end up getting the “Ron Paul” treatment.

            He’s just a side show of entertainment and nothing more.
            Giving Americans “hope & change” that they so rightfully deserve, because Americans love being entertained with large amounts of BULLSHIT!!!!

            • Ftw ,that’s what we have had from both parties past 5 yrs is bull shit . Cruz I could go for but he won’t win but at least Trump saying a lot of what people are fed up with! Haven’t heard it from the other republicans yet ! Hell I was a repub not no more tho they sold us out . Sure won’t vote dem , they put us in this shit hole economy thx obummer !

              • AMERICA BURNING!
                Race Hatred, Bloody Riots, An Emerging Police State — All According to Plan – Part II


              • They all suck (except Ron Paul) and you’re kidding yourself if you think voting matters. Even back when Dr Paul was in congress and some notable others like Zell Miller (D-Ga) in the senate nothing improved.

                Our government can’t be fixed by voting. My wife and I have volunteered for candidates campaigns, donated heavily, and used to vote in every election. The sooner you can except that you’re wasting your time, money, and energy the sooner you can devote those resources to more productive efforts.

                I know it’s hard to accept, but trust me you’ll feel better once you accept that our government is past the point of no return.

                • Rebel,
                  what would be GREAT is if we could get the rest of America to wake up and see what you see and then MAYBE just MAYBE they would get off there lazy, brainwashed BUTTS and DO something like help to throw all the scum out of Washington!!! BUT i bet it isn’t gonna happen!

                  • Sadly no it isn’t. Maybe if television stopped working for a month?

              • Can’t trust a politician no matter what they say or promise. We quit voting over twenty years ago when friends were laid off and factories closed (NAFTA/GATT). politicians are the scum of the earth, they never had to work for a living and they are puppets of the top dog elitists pushing socialist one world agendas, (local, state and national) so, folks stay home from these stupid rallies, ignore the debates and get in a survival mode. America ain’t going to get fixed, it’s trashed.

              • 5 years, LMAO. More like the last 100. Cruz, Trump, Sanders, Hitlery, even Rand. They are all part of the club, and you and I aren’t in it.

            • Acid, may I give you a small piece of advice?
              Tone it down.
              You give great info, but the verbage kills you.
              I know you have angst against the boomers, I am one myself.
              I am not proud of where we are now, either.
              But most of us did not have a say in the matter.
              So most everyone here is innocent to the situation at hand.
              Not being an ass, just stating facts…

              May all here prosper and be well…

              • Eppe, I so agree with your remarks about Boomers. Were they:

                * Responsible for feminism? No. Betty Frieden and her pals were from the Greatest Generation. Boomers were gifted with this just as they were starting out in life.
                * In charge of the change from defined pensions to defined contribution plans aka 401k, and others? No. That all started when Boomers were about 30 y.o. and getting enough experience in the workplace to begin advancing their careers.
                * The ones who thought abortion and Planned Parenthood were the right thing to do? No. This came out with Margaret Sanger who again was from the Greatest Generation.
                * The people who who taught free love etc. to their children? No. The Greatest Generation with their wife swapping and other types of antics showed that. Never mind the Boomers grew up with Leave It to Beaver on the TV.

                Boomers were shown great patriotism and materialism. Guess which won out. They were taught to be patriotic but Viet Nam showed them that it didn’t matter because wars were just for bloodletting, not winning.

                Boomers didn’t begin the trend of ever larger stores and never ending desires to go shopping; they were shown by example. And they didn’t begin (only continued) the advertising trend to get people to buy stuff.

                So, yes, I’m ticked off. As a Boomer, all these implied promises of a better life never came about. In the past, I’ve argued with members of the Greatest Generation about what I call the “Broken Promises” and cannot get them to understand what they did. Also unfortunately, many Boomers don’t understand it either. It’s all passed off as the way the world changes. Ha! (I feel like an outcast of my generation; my habits and morals are from a time long gone.)

                The Boomers and generations after them were screwed and they haven’t figured it out. So, Boomers get the blame.

                Are the Boomers blameless? Hardly. Something could have been done. I don’t know what since Boomer’s parents were all about encouraging both young men and young women to get a good education, to get a good job and be independent. Also, the Greatest Generation’s leaders hung onto their power for a long time. Heck, some are still there in Congress. [end of rant.]

                The only thing that can be done now is prepare and hang onto our hats. Those of us who are awake need to remember how things went off the rails and build a better world when the opportunity presents itself.

            • FTW – that is his magnetism. Both sides (same shit) don’t like him so he must be good for something. Besides, can we really do any worse than the current POS in the whitehouse?

              • Lets say somehow Trump became President. The things he wants to improve in this country will not be fulfilled.
                Keep in mind, the power structure that is above the “office of Presidency”.

                The main reason why things will not improve for the average citizen.
                If Trump was to go outside of the guidelines of the Power Structure, I’m afraid he’ll find himself ending up like JFK.

                America will never, ever be what it once was when it was first established. Unless, the Power Structure itself is removed. This would have to happen on a global scale, not just here in the States for a betterment of all people.

                This is my Foreign Policy –

                “clean up the riff raft, mafia style governance and institute honest people who have integrity, moral and ethical standards for others to follow and live by.”

                Doing anything else, is just what we keep recycling back into the System – Garbage

                Mensa Graham – to answer your question. “Can we really do any worse than the current POS in the whitehouse?”

                Actually, yes …. replacing Garbage, with more Garbage does not make things better for anybody … well, maybe those in the Power Structure itself.

                Whoever ends up being President, it will be the One who can suck, kiss, and caress Israel’s ass the best.

                Americans needs should be placed 1st, 2nd, and 3rd – not 6th, 7th, and 8th place.

                • The people must directly confront and severely contain the top of the power structure. And it won’t be done with votes. Name them starting with Zionists. And all you disinfo agents on this site shut your mouths.

                  • Sure Charlie boy, I’m betting that those words from you would discourage anybody from posting a comment, Moron.

                  • I will try to name some: G. Soros, Rockefeller, Valerie Jarrett, Z.Brezenski, H. Kissinger, Wolfowitz, heads of major banks like Chase,etc, Warburg, Windsor, Rothchild, just do a search on: the Illuminati hierarchy for more names and 13 families listed.

                  • You first, Charlie. Die on a barricade shouting ‘Death to the Jews’, will you?

                    See where it gets you, numbnuts.

                • FTW,
                  you got it, nothing will change unless WE the people throw out all the scum and start with new batch!!!

                  • Scum includes all liberals and atheists, towel heads and traitors. Don’t forget the fags.

                    • Oicu812 – your post is the perfects example that gives the real Christians a bad name.

                      You are suppose to be following the work of God/Jesus, yet your post shows no love for others.

                      I can’t stand Liberals & Queers either, but unfortunately they have a right to exist among us. Towelheads wouldn’t be an issue, but our government likes to stir the pot up in the middle east – the reality is they created enemies that we didn’t have before.
                      Atheist/non-deist for the most part want to be left alone, but those who are Jehovah Witness’s and Mormons seem to have the right to intrude. No different then those Christians who like to interfere and apply their Dogma onto us Non-Deist. The reality – leave us alone, there is a reason why we are not like you.

                      A friendly reminder – for your reading pleasure –

                      Love Your Neighbor as Yourself

                      And one of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ “The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (NAS, Mark 12:28-31)

                      “There is a saying, ‘Love your friends and hate your enemies.’ But I say: Love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way you will be acting as true sons of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust too. If you love only those who love you, what good is that? Even scoundrels do that much. If you are friendly only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even the heathen do that. But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect. (TLB, Matthew 5:43-48)

                      “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. (NIV, Matthew 7:1-5)

                      So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. (NIV, Matthew 7:12)

                    • FTW,

                      oicu812 is pissininthewind using his other site name, it allows him to say things that a good preacher couldn’t. So he can have his Christian cake and eat it to.

                    • Let me get this straight.

                      You don’t believe in Christianity and IF you believe in God, you blame him for all the worlds problems and that somehow gives you the authority to lecture me about who I am supposed to love?

                      What kind of fool would I be to follow your advice?

                      No, I will set the record straight.

                      My reply was to apache54; not you, a lost soul with a contriving and argumentative mindset, just like a liberal.

                      The discussion was about throwing the bums and trouble makers out of America, not killing them. All you Christian haters have the same MO, you like twisting our words to conform to your ideolog of secularism.

                      Your posting of scripture is a waste of time and energy. No one in their right mind would waste their time reading, much less listening to anything you have to say. I know I am done with you.

                    • Oicu812 – It’s Sunday, and it is obvious you decided to skip today’s Service at Church. Please explain your actions, and remember – No fibbing, Jesus is watching you.

                    • oicu, I have to believe that you are also passin. Your religious babble is just way too similar and it’s amazing how you appear out of nowhere to answer to people posting replies to passin when he’s ” supposed ” to have gone off for a few days in the woods. The fact that you think you can pass yourself off as his ” cuz” only serves to reinforce how deeply disturbed you truly are. Anybody here want to spend eternity with a certified nut like this guy? Then step right up and give us a big ” Yayahh Geesuz”.

                • Plans to fix the problems are just like assholes, Everybody has one, but it will never be fixed as long as the same politicians that caused the problem to start with are still allowed to keep up their scam.
                  The Republicans have the power to stop the Dems but tell me what they have done? The politicians are destroying the country while they exempt themselves from all the “Uncomfortable” laws they pass.

            • Don’t you wish everyone had voted for Ron Paul?

              • Yes, it would clearly demonstrate that it can no longer be fixed by getting a better president.

                Now if we had 250 Ron Pauls in congress, 60 in the senate, AND he was president we might could fix things. I fear it’s too late even for 300+ Ron Pauls and besides we don’t have 300+ Ron Pauls waiting in the wings right now.

                Better to just start over.

          • Obama said “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”. And about a thousand other lies.

            It’s the new normal.

          • I heard NASA said that we will have 77 days of darkness from an asteroid blocking the sun in November.

            • Would have to be a REALLY big ASSteroid, bigger than the moon, like moochelle’s.

              • LMAO.

            • November has 77 days. Was that one of Obama’s changes I didn’t know about?

              • Yes; He did away with December because lots of people dream of a white Christmas.

                He also got rid of the last part of October because lots of kids where white sheets trick-or-treating.

              • Very good speedloafer. Laughed and laughed.

            • Total nonsense. Never happened. Earth’s orbit is 584 million miles. The earth would travel 123 million miles in 77 days. The “asteroid” would have to be bigger than the solar system.

              • Here, try on this tinfoil helmet. Then you’ll understand.

              • Apparently, the asteroid is going to be in synchronous orbit between the earth and the sun for 77 days, then scoot of into the void.

                Some folks will believe anything.

          • Yeah. Sure. Doesn’t matter who gets elected. As soon as whoever is, they’ll get their first CIA/Shadow government briefing… and we are still all F**KED.

            How long have you been on this planet?

            No, no, no… Bernie will save the day LOL!


              • Never ever take a laxative and a barbituate, THEN DRINK ALCOHOL in the same night…

                • “Never ever take a laxative and a barbituate, THEN DRINK ALCOHOL in the same night…

                  Challenge accepted! (Puts on extra large diaper)

                • Not the drunken, sleepy shits again…..say it isn’t so.

                  • making a note of it now in my prepper journal, thanks eppe.

                    • If I was expecting evil people to break in and steal my goods. I’d leave a bottle of Vodka with barbiturates and laxatives, and perhaps a bit of nightshade on the kitchen counter.

              • Look, we’ve all done it, it’s just a question of how recently. Nothing to embarrassed about.

                Was it Eppe that had that awesome description of the colonoscopy prep? I told my coworkers the space shuttle analogy and got the coffee out the nose response. It’s now semi-standard in our counseling.

            • Yes, we are all fucked and there is no fixing it.

              With 18 Trillion in debt, soon to be 21 Trillion when Obama leaves, the government can not raise interest rates. There is no way to raise interest rates because it would totally bankrupt the already bankrupt government.

              Interest rates is how you spur growth.

              So we are totally screwed.

              • http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/36488/Shane-Smith-The-Bloody-Consequences-of-Entangled-Alliances/

                A must read. Here is where our tax money is going to: Genocide.

                The US Supports Saudi’s bombing of civilian cenyers. The US Airforce refuels mid air Saudi Bombers. We need to demand to cut off all Funding for any WAR Crimes and activities, and throw the war mongering Psychopaths in permanent Prison. The US Government has zero morals or integrity and uses our PUBLIC TAX DOLLARS FOR GENOCIDE. It all spells out TYRANNY!!

                ~ WWTI

                • So we are worried about so called government genocide in the middle east, but not the 3500 of Jesus’s children murdered every day here? Hello people its become a sin to pay taxes, knowing that this is what our taxes dollars go to. When they tried to trick Jesus about paying taxes he replied. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, give unto God what is his. Everything belongs to God, so Caesar can shove it up his ass!

                  • The vast majority of babies aborted are black. And we all know Black Lives Don’t Matter.

                    But yes, all kidding aside, Christians must refuse a sinful government.

                    For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone? Ecclesiastes 6v12

                  • I will pay taxes on federal reserve notes I earn but will never pay taxes on my labor I barter for. Government does not own me.

              • That’s a feature, not a bug.

          • Acid: Trump grew up. You should too. 🙂

            • @durangokidd…..


          • His stance is all conservative and he talks it like he really feels it, he may be lying, we don’t know. What we do is that the entire current administration are all lying sacks of feces.

            • ARE YOU PEOPLE FUCKING STUPID??????????

              OF COURSE TRUMP IS LYING!!!!!!!!!!



              • I love the fact that people still believe in politicians……so how that been working out for ya?……I guess I expected more from my prepper family

                • My sentiments exactly Crash ‘N Burn.

                  This is where “Faith” & “Pride” in a country such as America, can be ones demise if they truly believe there is a way Politicians can correct the wrong doings that we currently face today.

                  Truly sad indeed

              • If he gets elected, somehow, I won’t care what he does as long as he deports the illegal aliens.

                Just that alone will benefit the country tremendously, for decades to come.

          • No Bernie Sanders is a Socialist flake. The same type of assholewho helped draft policies that has made Americans addicted to government money. I will not vote for Trump, but to suggest Sanders as a viable alternative is foolish. We are simply too broke to elect another Socialist President. “Other people’s money” is already gone, nobody left for Bernie to rob.

            • We aren’t broke dumb shit.

              The 1% is hoarding it all.

              TAKE IT FROM THEM

              • While I can understand the sentiment, there’s a great video by Bill Whittle ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ where he demonstrates that even if we take 100% from the rich we are still broke.

                It’s called eat the rich and is really funny, yet sobering. We really are broke even if we killed all the billionaires and took all of their money.

              • Yeah, let’s take all the rich folks money, why, it’s enough to run the government for what, about 90 days?

                Yeah, that’s a really great idea !

                Yeah, let’s make national policy by doing what basement-dwelling underachievers making sandwiches and smoking pot think we should do, that’s another great idea !

          • The problem with Bernie Sanders is his ideas regarding the economy are representative of the same kinds of policies that got us here in the first place. Zero regard whatsoever with the fact that federal buearocracy is what killed Americas middle class, not just the marriage between corporations and the state. Should we enact what Bernie Sanders suggests, we would effectively be outsourcing the rest of the US economy. His ideas attack profit, not wealth. That doesn’t change at all what you said about Trump, completely agree. I don’t want the corporate contrarian, but I don’t want the European Socialist either. I want the guy who will start decentralizing everything.

            I do completely agree with Sanders on one very important part though…If a bank is to big to fail, it’s to big to exist.

          • @Acid Etch….

            And Bernie Sanders is a Socialist.

            You know what a Socialist is dimwit?

            It’s a Communist with a happy face.

            And a shitwipe is someone who hasn’t got enough sense to understand just exactly how screwed up Socialism is.

            Hitler wasn’t fake either. Bet you love him.

            You are a perfect representation of what public education has produced. And like most of your generation, your ignorance and stupidity doesn’t keep you from having an opinion.

          • Acid, calm down. Trump isn’t anywhere near the best for conservatives but:
            1) He does love AMerica and will not be apologizing to the world for our success.
            2) He will not be screwing over our allies and consorting with our enemies.
            3) His brains do not have a Valerie JArrett tag on them (Iranian Born) Might answer some questions in that regard.
            4) Trump just may be the answer to the asswipes we keep getting on congress. You know, the 10% approval clowns from both sides.

            I could go on why Trump gets so much attention but you get the idea if you only think instead of bitch about it.

            • one thing about it, nobody will mistake trump for the antichrist.

          • YES, Mr. A. Etch speaks the truth which anyone with a computer can easily determine. Trump is a willing whore of our ZIOMASTERS who, personally, probably wants nothing more than a two week stint with Megyn Kelly on “Naked and Afraid”. She wouldn’t have to worry about eating bugs or other things as I’m sure that he would, as Jews would if they appeared on the program, have it catered! He simply wants to be with her naked or, as we say in the south, necked!!

            • Aury, the nurse is looking for you, it’s time to change your diaper so you don’t get piss sores again.

          • Well, you’re gonna end up with one of them.

            Which one do you want and why?

            Or will you just be going along with what someone else decides for you?

          • FTW – that is his magnetism. Both sides (same shit) don’t like him so he must be good for something. Besides, can we really do any worse than the current POS in the whitehouse?

          • Then vote for Sanders you dips shit faggot and quit telling others how to cast thir vote.

          • Acid, I think Trump witnessed the abuse of the current Immigration policy by Obama from 2012 to 2015. And does not like one bit. He just doesn’t want a bunch of freeloaders infiltrating us. If they are skilled labor they can apply after the job is offered to Americans first. Its good for jobs for Americans as Trump policy would be.

            So have you ever changed your mind about anythhing, if events change? Adapt bro. Btw/ B Sanders is a liberal ZOG shill. Nobody I would want for Pres.


          • Sanders is an socialist, I guess that’s what you like Acid. I’m done supporting your kind, eat a round and help us all out.

          • Trump is the great FU to politics as they’ve been, flips and flops, no one cares. Paul supported amnesty too, no one cares. Cause and effect, that’s why Trump is going to win. It’s not so much what’s Trumps saying as it is what ” They’ve” been doing.
            Trump is going to win if he’s not taken out first. I think everyone knows that.

          • He (Donald) is an absolute riot let him continue to rant throw a fit and carry on. I am glad he is a Republican right now, I would be highly embarrassed if he came to the other side of the tracks….keep him. 🙂

          • Yeah but Bernie is a Socialist. Socialism is a rotten concept. If you support Socialism you are far more ‘nuts’ than Trump.

        • @Warchild: Exactly, we are here to learn prepping and share opinions on said subject. Not to worry about the top tier and how much they lost on stocks. And of course, these articles are always sensationalized by a mushroom cloud in the background. thanks

          • Good article and better responses,why I still visit here.We know something either man made or natural can change things in a heartbeat,what we do about that we can is what is important,not so much why it happened,more then likely nothing we can do at moment to prevent,just be around to solve issues to best of ability in future.

        • It will not make any difference which candidate from which party gets elected as both parties are hardly distinguishable from each other. Having two political parties gives the appearance that you have a choice.

          The problem, as I see it, is not so much about the candidates running for president, but stupid Americans. Corrupt people vote for corrupt politicians who are just like them. You reap what you sow.

          Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.


        • Be sure to hear the great David duke vs alex Jones debate.

          • Alex jones can outthink you asleep Charles.

        • There is a financial aspect to prepping.

          It’s ain’t all guns an glory, and the struggle will take years, maybe decades!

        • Warchild,

          There are some excellent articles on “Financial Prepping” on the web.

          Look them up, it’s time well spent. Prepping for a financial disaster, and financial survival is as important as food and shelter.

          It’s great that “SHTF” is giving this the attention they are. After three three days the big media still shrugs that they aren’t sure of the reason 3 trillion dollars was lost in the last week. For anyone reading here they not only know why, they knew in advance.

          Let me add because the 2008 crash was predictable for those not caught up in cognitive dissonance, they could have made a bunch of dough instead of loosing their shirt.

          We are at a nexus. Time to make the decision whether you want to survive or not.

          People buy guns to protect them from bad guys, that might break in. You store food in case of famine. What’s your game for battle in a world of bankers and finance?

      2. Probably worse than what we are being told.
        The pendulm can swing further than it should…
        May all be well…

        • Not getting a good feeling about this. Time to buy more popcorn and toilet paper.

          • Nobama:
            I just bought some more popcorn, malted milk balls and another case of wild cherry Pepsi and a case of cherry Dr. Pepper.
            Time to watch the show of a life time.
            I don’t know when it’s going to start, but I have a feeling it is soon, very soon.
            N. Reb

            PS. got a load of TP.also

            • gonna need it if you eat all that at once…

              • Same thing I thought. Will skip your house when I beg for food.

            • Psst N. Reb, just a tip on those malted milk balls They don’t store well in the heat. Been there and done that.


              • Marcus and BIG:
                You both are right, but a mans got to do what a mans got to do!;-} And that is my only vice!;-}

        • Have a good weekend Eppster!

          • Kula,what is this “weekend”you speak of,been going about a month straight,hope to rediscover weekend(i.e. no working)soon!

            • You gotta take a break bud, all work and no play makes the War Child grumpy

        • Eppe:
          Don’t worry I know that you are ready and able to handle what ever comes your way.
          This will be the story of repeats that our grandparent and parents told us about there lives back in the 20’s and 30’s.
          Now It’s our turn and our kids turn to tell the story of 2015 and 16.
          And you are one of the best story and joke tells on this
          site, my friend.
          N. Reb

          • NR, I sure hope so. We have no idea what the future will bring, so I try to take things in stride…
            So tonight I am chilling, few Buds, Steely Dan songs, and glad I am not in the market, cash holdings only. Been a rough week at work.

            May all here be well, and life will be nice to us, just have that feeling that the next few years will be taxing on us all…

            If you ain’t prepped, you are inepted…

            • Eppe:
              “the next few years will be taxing”
              LOL…They are already taxing the shirts off our backs.
              If you don’t have an income and you don’t have any money (wink, wink) they can’t get any taxes from us, Right?
              All kidding aside we will be living in some trying times.
              I believe we will see some hellish thing come about, but I also believe we will come out on the other side stronger and better than before.
              Good luck my FRIEND and my God keep you and yours safe.
              N. Reb

              • Yeah, if God was so smart hed print his own money instead he fleeces stoopid ignorant sheep out of theirs every week. Oh but he loves you. What a crew of codependent blind mice bleasing everyone here. Who made you the POPE? POOP. Remember Shewp get slaughtered and sacraficed. Dont be a gullible stoopid sheep for starters spewing BS. Any God that allows planet earth and its people to be destroyed like it is these days is no God I would worship. Try a lucky 8 ball or play the lotto. People actually win that and stand there holding the big check. Maybe God can send us some photos of tbose believers who won ever lasting life. No Photos, No Proof is like BS. Not a single winmer in 2000 year but the sheep keep believing. Stoopid fn sheep. STFU!!


                • Well now, aren’t the sunshine of verbal encouragement today.

                  “Try a lucky 8 ball or play the lotto…” House always wins. Are you not smart enough to figure that one out????

                  “People actually win that and stand there holding the big check.” Not. If you would investigate how much they lost trying to get there you would see they have been losers from the get go.

                  “Oh but he loves you.” That is correct. The one thing I can agree with you on.

                  AND so as not to come off as a dimwitted Bible thumper to the rest of the bold Christ followers on this blog I will tell you:

                  that the God I serve also loves you WWTI. Look about your beautiful BOL. All that beauty you tell us about was put there by God and He allows you to see Him in His creation. You are sitting right in the middle of it and sadly miss the whole show.

                  • Amen.

                    It’s hard to remember when suffering that God loves you. I used to be really mad at God for all the problems I had. Of course those problems set me on the road to prepping, caused me to come to Idaho, and live how we do now.

                    If you haven’t ever listened to “Unanswered Prayers” by Garth Brooks, and I mean really listened, open a new tab, go to youtube and listen to it. Even if you don’t like country music it will remind you of God’s grace and how God’s plan for you isn’t always clear at the time.

                • “Maybe God can send us some photos of those believers who won ever lasting life.”>/b>

                  ……….. PRICELESS ………..

                  Are the dead forgotten or awakened?

                  Ecclesiastes 9:5 – “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.”

                  Daniel 12:2 – “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, and others to shame and everlasting contempt.”

                  I say …. “well, which one is it? Can’t have both, is there life after death, or isn’t there?”

                  Bible = Full Of Contradictions

                  • It’s easy to see how you feel this way. If you REALLY want to know the answers to your questions (and they do seem like good questions) you have several options:

                    1) There are some really knowledgeable biblical scholars who would love to talk to you. Go find them.

                    2) Read the new testament. You might have read it before, but I would suggest that if you could read, or re-read, it with an open mind you just might find peace and answers. Jesus really does love you.

                    It’s easy to confuse the organizations of religion, and all the religious people with all their rules, with the actual message. Don’t be distracted, it’s really important.

                    God sent Jesus to die for us all, and I would die for Him.

                    The other details I can study in Sunday school, or at home with a nice glass of merlot.

                    • Rebel In Idaho

                      I appreciate the knowledge and the simple kindness of offering…..that being said…..The reason I feel this way, and the reason for who I am today, is because of Religion.

                      I’ve done my research and then some.
                      Raised Catholic, attended Catholic Schools.
                      About the age of 16, I ventured out to other Religions simply out of curiosity.
                      stopped officially practicing Religion at the age of 19 or 20 years old.

                      Been down that road, and I probably have more hours spent in a church / bible studies and other related studies than most people here.

                      I’m not seeking answers, I have found all the answers that I’ll ever need. Again, I appreciate your concern.

                  • Let us first look at the book of Ecclesiastes. It is a dramatic autobiography of King Solomon’s life when he was away from God.

                    As the Book of Proverbs reveals Solomon’s wisdom, the Book of Ecclesiastes reveals his foolishness.

                    Ecclesiastes begins with the problem stated: All is vanity in the world (Ecc 1:1)

                    In his foolishness, Solomon experiments with many differing avenues, seeking earthly satisfaction. He tries science, the laws of nature, wisdom & philosophy, pleasure & materialism, as well as living for ‘the now’. Solomon explores fatalism, egotism, religion, wealth and morality.

                    In the final verse of the book, Solomon gives the result of his experiments, Ecc 12:13~~~~ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. {Let…: or, The end of the matter, even all that hath been heard, is}

                    Solomon’s conclusions in each experiment are HUMAN. NOT God’s TRUTH.

                    “is there life after death?” YES ! Daniel 12:2 is the revelation of God to Daniel. It is not Daniel’s attempt to find truth ON HIS OWN the way Solomon did in the Book of Ecc.

                    No Contradiction when you look at what is written, to whom it is written and who is speaking.


                    • Grandee, I follow what you are saying and I follow the bible, but as I have told passin many times, you are casting your pearls before swine to the atheists on these sites.

                      They will only consider God and Jesus Christ when they are at their lowest and don’t have the strength for hate and anger anymore. That day is soon coming, and if God allows them to live long enough, they will be humbled and be on their knees or on their backs, and probably either be begging to God or cursing Him.

                      Any way about it they will acknowledge Him and remember all their mockery.

                    • But before then we’ll all know that oicu is nobody else but ole’ pissin deluding himself that he’s so damn smart nobody will know it’s him, pathetic.

        • A visual of the market this week.

          Bloodbath & Beyond

          It contains all the proper elements, you’ll see.

      3. Burn baby burn. I saw this today and actually smiled thinking “it’s finally beginning.” Decided a long time ago I’m not going to be a coward like a lot of these preppers. I’m going to do my finest to help people, but when people start calling asking for help I’m planning a BBQ. Steak, ribs, burgers, dogs, and some of the finest foods money can buy. When everyone is fine and fed I’m going to raise my glass for a little speech. And that speech goes like this, “I $&@%ing told you all so!” Followed by a long laugh.

        • Whitewolf….sounds like delightful revenge! save me a rib before I descend into my bunker.

          • Will do bud ; )

        • Good one wolf lmao

        • In the Guinness book of stupid ideas

          Feeding people is the dumbest fucking idea in world history

          Don’t be ostentatious

          Just run and hide

          and live

      4. Current average P/E for the Dow is 16.9.

        A solid upper P/E should be around 12 and a solid lower P/E should be around 8.

        So figure the current downside for yourself based on those numbers.

        It’s not likely to lose much more than half of its current value, IMO. At least not for long and if it loses that much it should recover to about 50% above its low.

        In practical terms, that means if you’re in it now and can’t get out immediately to reinvest again later at the low you’re screwed.

        Again, IMO.

        • Factor in the likelihood that earnings are going to fall dramatically in some sectors. Capital goods of course are already gone, (e.g. Caterpillar). Big and medium ticket household items are probably going, (I have no data, but the drop in consumer spending usually hits these first). Food will hold up. Medical will hold up because so much it is Government funded.

          • I’m hoping you’re right since I work in the medical field and still need income to continue improving our farm. I don’t believe that the government will be able to keep paying all that much longer looking at our current balance sheet.

            Like many here, I don’t believe there are enough “normal” years left for me to pay off my debts. Given that our time horizon is shorter than necessary to become debt free, I have decided to pay on my debts but instead of applying the extra to debt payment I have bought tangibles.

            The interest on our house is 2.5%, cars 2.99%, student loans 6.5 to 7.5%. Since my student loans are to the government, I’m not sure where that leaves me if they default. Will I still have to pay if our government collapses? At 2.99% interest it seems to me that I’m better off with several thousand pounds of rice, wheat, beans, honey, salt, etc than paying off my cars or house faster.

            • I sold property I was losing money on and paid off debts on it. Then I paid 2 years of payments on property I am living on with the written understanding I am not paying equity, just paying up for the next 2 years. Half of what was left in gold/silver and the rest in things I expect to need over the next 2 years.
              Why 2 years? After that point things may be beyond what can be prepared for (ie bugging out, invasions).

      5. A prelude to the NWO evil filth establishing complete control, and their FINAL SOLUTION of their de-population program, all of this happening while the scared coward Zombies wait for football season and more drunken ignorance to help them live in denial of their collapsing Orwellian Fascist Police State nightmare.

      6. I just pulled up the market charts for 1929 and 2015.
        What I can see they are very close to being the same.
        It looks like the market is doing the same it did back in 1928 and 1929.
        One thing back in the 1920’s and 30’s most of the population live on farms or in farming communities.
        They could grow there own food and they knew how to do it. Today most of the population lives in big cities and their suburbs and it is very hard to grow a garden on blacktop and concrete.
        Also the 40% of the population was not on government assistance of one form or another.
        To top it off, if the market crashes like it did back in the 20’s, and the with the country being over 18 trillion in debt, were will the government assists money come from if all the other countries that are broke want the money they have loaned the U.S.A.?
        We keep borrowing money to pay for the assistance to people. Do you think that there will be any country loaning out money if the markets around the world crash?
        I always hoped and prayed that this day would never come, but in the back of my little brain I knew that it was going to happen.
        So NOW that The Sh** is hitting the fan. All I’m going to do is pray and prepare and assume the position to take care of me, my family and my friends.
        I hope I’m wrong, but it is time.
        Good luck to all and my GOD (how ever that is to you) keep you safe.
        N. Reb

        • Remembering that the market crashed in 1929, but the Depression’s nadir was 1932.

          • Old Coach:
            You are correct. The Depression started in 1932 giver or take a month.
            The thing that started it was the collapse of the markets around the world. and it took longer to happen than what will happen this time.
            When the US market crashes there will be a ripple affect that will take only days at the most, maybe just hours. We are a global economy now, when one goes down it ripples to everyone else. The big they are the more they effect everyone else.
            The world’s countries are all broke and don’t have any money unless they print more and all that does is make there money worth less.
            N. Reb

            • Yupper.

              The interval mostly comes from the fact that Hoover did everything wrong after the stock market bubble burst.

              Hoover had been a very successful civil engineer and project manager, but he did not understand that economies cannot be managed in detail like a construction project. Too big, many variables, too much influenced by human irrationalities. Best to just stand back and let them sort themselves out naturally. But he didn’t. Hoover tried to force the economy using central planning principles, and it failed, of course. And has been continuing to fail ever since. Roosevelt gets most of the credit for being the originator of detailed Government economic/financial control, but the original statist villain in the piece is Hoover. At least that’s the conventional wisdom in the Austrian school which I now inhabit.

              Roosevelt actually was something of an ignoramus when it came to economics, and could never have come up with such a scheme himself. Which explains to my mind why he let hacks like Tugwell and Communists like Hopkins lead him around by the nose. Not unlike our present situation where the Halfrican is programmed by Valerie Jarrett.

              • No, I think Roosevelt knew exactly what he was doing. Previous depressions were very short. His laws made the depression last a lot longer. He used that time to change the way the federal government worked. He kept getting re-elected by promising the people more and more things. If not for Roosevelt we wouldn’t be where we are now.

                • I used to think that, too. But in the last 5 years or so I’ve done a deep dive into that period, and came away with the opposite view. He was a great manipulator of people, and he took (or was given) credit for a lot of ideas that weren’t his. An economic genius he wasn’t. Just look at the chaos of his first term.

      7. Hold on, the ride could really get bumpy from here on out.

        The market was down 531 points at the closing bell.

        • I saw that. Something like the 9th largest single point drop in history. Shemitah anyone?

      8. Let the bodies hit the floor let the bodies hit the floor!
        Meh, same shizzle diff dizzle

        • Kula
          Let the bodies hit the floor
          Let the bodies hit the floor
          Let them all die
          Cause we can’t feed then no more.

          Heavy Metal Grunge song.

          • Yup, got it in my tunes

          • Dope- Die Motherf@#$&# Die is a good one also.

        • How about Steely Dan’s ‘Black Friday’ when the brokers jump out 15 story windows…

          ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1ZV4Mx7tw8

          • Rumor has it that most of them were pushed.

            • If that is true – The Old Coach, then bless those who did the necessary pushing!

          • Damn eppe haven’t heard that song in a long time ! Steely Dan great band in the day

            • P1, I listened to them from ’74 on.
              I was critized for years till Aja came out, then everyone was all in. Musta been those biker years that made a difference. Now I listen to everything from pink to Manson to Primus to REM.
              Makes one wonder what is next?
              Taking my 2 daughters to see ‘OWL CITY’ sounds like old Yes songs. First concert for both.
              Should be a hoot, seeing your offspring realize life in the raw world…

              May all prosper and be well here, since we are all we got…

              • Check out some OWL CITY…

                ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIz2K3ArrWk&index=2&list=RDpsuRGfAaju4

              • eppe… Love Steely Dan music also. Saw them at the old Tampa Stadium. I like music that expresses anger at the system. To me nobody did it quite like John Lennon, that’s why TPTB killed him. He had the voice and the anger in songs like “working class hero”, “freeda people”, “gimme some truth”, “I don’t want to be a soldier”, and on and on with one hit after another. The best ever in my opinion.

          • My song, ” The Wallstreet Shuffle” by 10 cc. Very appropriate today.

        • Im looking for a good charcoal /wood chip meat smoker that could hold min 80 lbs of meat. As many racks as possible. Any good suggestions or make and model #? I kind like the upright square rectangular size. With a big door, and little door to feed the fire. All suggestions appreciated.

          Thx. ~WWTI

          • Wwti, one will pay a price for a smoker, or go with a rocket stove setup into a modified 55 gallon barrel holder of meat. Seen one, had 100$ into it, and worked nicely.
            Since you are setting up your bol for life, might be a cheap way to smoke the harvest of wildlife…

            May all be well…

          • Make friends with a welder…..

          • Woulda;
            If you are going to cure and smoke meats, I would look into a smoke generator that you can produce your smoke in and pipe it to your cooker. I set mine up with a commercial stainless refer that I installed a 240 V. burner in and then pipe with 3in. vent pipe from generator to box. To do cold smoked stuff or fish you can add pipe and the heat from your burning chips will not raise the temp in the box. This works out really nice to hold your temps for smoking at precise points.

            • Yeah I saw those Grills with a side compartment smoker. A vertical one though I can rotate the racks… but Ill look into that too. I’ve never had a problem paying for quality. Ha. A used 55 Gal drum still dirty from solvemts or fuel toxics. No thanks. I knew a guy that used to take the metal shell of a fridge and weld racks in it and put new hinges on the door. Welding is one skill I would like to learn, no doubt. Biggest threat at the BOL today, was high winds and falling tree limbs. A huge limb fell on a $200 extra gate I just bought. Did not even put it up yet. Just leaned it up against a wood pile for a future project. I’ll cut around it tomorrow to get it out from under the branches. Got my counter top and 10″ deep sink installed today. I hand built all my cabinets, and used wine box crates for drawers that slide on aluminum angle iron edging. Works great.

          • Smoker that can hold up to 80 lbs. of meat?

            I built a Woodshed Smoker, about the size of an Outhouse, but slightly bigger. This may be the way you’ll want to go.
            Plenty of on-line schematics and ideas to get you started. I highly recommend this being an alternative.

            Pretty much low cost, pending where you get your lumber and basic carpentry skills is all that you’ll need to apply to the task.

            Materials: check out Craigslist. Some people are just giving away old lumber / sheds. May even find some old oven racks to use instead of buying new.
            Possibilities can be endless with a project like this, be creative.

          • WHOA ! I thought WWTI knew everything, and was put on Earth to school US.

            • OC, about pissed and shat in my drawers on that one.
              I almost did nor respond, but the setup was cool.
              I try to give the benefit of doubt to everyone.

              Why, where, how did humanity start???

      9. They are talking about the Fear Index. Half the country don’t know what the Fear Index is. Unless you are a trader on the exchange floor, how many average Joe’s are worrying. Everything will be fine till things stop. Food stops, work stops, SNAP cards and money.

        Until then, life is just a bowl of cherries.

        • Cool, when it all stops can i go to the beach?

          • Ride some dead sealife waves dude. Fukashima powered surfing.

        • Half the country don’t know what the Fear Index is.

          Of course they don’t, and I wouldn’t doubt if it was closer to 3/4 of the country don’t know what the Fear Index is either.

          FEAR – tends to happen to the unknowing.
          FEAR – tends to attract the naive and gullible.
          FEAR – tends to those who neglect their surroundings.
          FEAR – tends to attract Religious Dogmas.

          BOTTOM LINE:

          FEAR – is for PUSSIES!

          • My bet is about 3/4 could care less about what the markets are doing, for most of the peeps i know its a non issue, just making a living is what they care about and the stock markets are some foreign entity way off in theclouds

            • They don’t understand how the stock market affects the economy. There are all kinds of derivatives based on oil prices, interest rates, currency valuations, and other things.

              Plus, most people have their pension funds and 401k’s in the stock market. Most people will lose at least 1/3 of their retirement after the coming stock market crash.

              Then the federal government will step in to “protect’ people’s retirement accounts by forcing pension funds and 401k’s to have a certain minimum amount of US government debt. So after the crash the federal government will essentially steal much of what you have left by forcing you to buy worthless government bonds.

          • But a great many working folk fear losing their jobs, then losing their homes ’cause they can’t pay the mortgage. If they live anywhere near a black neighborhood they fear crime. If they’re retired on a pension they fear that the fund will go broke. If they are Christians they fear persecution. If they are idiots they fear Nibiru or vaccinations or chemtrails. Yes, ordinary people know fear.

            • There’s always a way to work things out, when things go sour Coach. You of all people (your age) should know this.

              I’ve been there and done that too. Lost a job or two due to cutbacks or closings.

              Living in a Black Neighborhood: That’s a choice someone made, and a bad one indeed.

              Pension/retirement Fund drying up: Choice, someone does not have to participate in. Save money the ‘Old Fashioned Way – put monies away each week at home in your own personal bank.

              Christians being persecuted: Choice, besides .. all religions at one time or another have been attacking each other since it’s inception, nothing changes.

              Nibiru: no need to worry, once it arrives. I’ll be able to get a hold of it, add my horse reigns to it, hop on it and ride that sucker out to Pluto, problem solved.

              Vaccinations: Choice, don’t take them. If it is required, then I guess it is something that person is not going to participate in.

              Chemtrails: Nothing we can do about, unless a Revolt encounters the System. ‘Till then, the happy chemtrailing will continue.

              • ” If they are idiots they fear Nibiru or vaccinations or chemtrails” Still denying the facts I see lol. Shaun Hannity told you they were bullshit?

              • Oh, yes. At 70+ years old, with almost 55 working years behind me, I’ve learned to choose much more wisely than I did when I was 20. I can’t say I myself was never fearful, but things worked out. Getting fired at age 46 actually launched me to a much better career, but I didn’t know it at the time. Point I am making is that fear causes most people to go into a defensive mental posture, which influences their spending, and that’s one of the factors that is shrinking our economy so fast. It’s emotional, and central banks’ monetary policies can’t affect it at all.

                • Thanks for the post.

            • I think chemtrails are for real. Heard a geoengineer, David Keith, admit in an interview “it could be doing real damage, we haven’t looked into that”. That’s enough for me to say WHOA! With fish in our rivers dying and birds falling dead out of the sky, we need to stop.

            • I am too clever to get caught in this trap. I have spent most of my life self employed so when the economy sucks I have no work, make no money, but can always say that I have not been layed off and still have a job!

          • FTW I always like George St Pierre’s (UFC champion for a long time and one of the greatest fighters ever) comment when asked about his daily routine.

            He said “I walk around in constant fear.”
            The reporter was stunned “What do you mean fear, you’re the champ?”
            GSP replied “I walk around in fear that someone, somewhere, might be training harder than I do.”
            Gotta love it.

      10. you know you NEVER hear ANY politicians not mention not once about stopping benefits for illegals. That seems fishy to me like they are planning to do nothing and trump isn’t either any thoughts?
        Remember if we do go into a collapse and there are roadblocks, do not EVER give up your weapons. You will have to engage yourself. They will detain you and everything you own so be careful driving down highways or backed up roads with traffic. None of us know really what to expect if things go downhill but just make sure you have the min things you need to survive.

        • I think Trumps “DEPORT THEM ALL” pretty much summs that up…

          • And I’m thinking that once things start getting really bad, all the PC folks who have advocating letting the illegals stay…will start to shut up.

            All the freeloaders are going to start becoming very unpopular with folks who can barely afford to feed their own families. And at that point, folks will begin experiencing moments of extreme clarity of thought.

            Look for it to get nasty.

            Illegal aliens and Muslims will start becoming targets of opportunity.

            I’m not advocating this, I’m simply making a prediction.

            Historically…..when things start going bad in a country, folks start looking for people to blame….rightly or wrongly.

            And that’s where the civil unrest begins.

            Over the past 30 years, this country has become extremely “Balkanized”. Prior to 1980, most of the country was could be broken down into three basic ethnic groups…..White…Black…and Hispanic. Most of the Hispanic population were generations deep in this country, and were for all practical purposes…simply Americans. Asians made up a very small percentage of the population. And those that were here, for the most part….were also 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generation.

            After 1980….the idiots in D.C. began to implement policies that brought ever increasing numbers of people from all over the world. And the invasion on our southern border began in earnest. Since the first Gulf War, increasing numbers of Middle Eastern immigrants….i.e. Muslims…(there simply aren’t that many Middle Eastern Christians…have begun to come in huge numbers as well. And there have been large numbers of Asians, from places like China, Korea and Vietnam.

            The problem with all of this, is that they have come in such huge numbers and that there has been virtually NO attempt by TPTB to assimilate these people into American values and culture. Most of them have not become “Americans”. They have simply attempted to relocate their native language, culture and values here.

            We no longer have “E Pluribus Unum”……”Out of many, one”.

            I’ve said all this to emphasize my point as to why when things start to go badly economically…we will be ripe for a real civil war.

            It is my considered opinion that all of this has not happened by accident. And the “transforming of the United States of America” that the traitor in the White House was referring to, is something that has been planned for a long, long time. And it’s one of the reasons I have such contempt for the snakes in Washington D.C.

            • It’s the socialist elite that started that , Anonymous

        • As I’ve mentioned before:

          Politics is Theatrics to those who believe we have a Government working for the best interest of America.

          The Side Show that is already in progress is a complete embarrassment of what America is suppose to represent.
          I’ve never seen a Show of this caliber in previous history get any lower of moral character.

          It’s so bad, that I wouldn’t doubt that Obama would end up scooting past his second term and slide right into a third.
          He has joked about it a few times already, and at this point. It’s probably the only honest thing he has had to say since his first inauguration.

          • Manchurian candidate

            • Third term equals 7MM mag at 1000 meters. It is the law.

              • rellik- You know your laws well and that is one I would fully support regardless what the fuktards say.

                • Honestly, I’m surprised it didn’t happen on his First Term.
                  I was sincerely expecting it to happen, and I suppose I would of supported the outcome as well.

                  I mean, lets be honest about it, Obama is certainly not a John F Kennedy.

              • Ill spot for you and have the backup

              • I think reasonable people could disagree on this. I think the case could be made for 7.62×51 or .50 cal. I’m trying to keep an open mind about this.

                • A .338 Lapua would serve notice of term limits as well. I think the bankers will be first though. Plenty of them to go around.

                  Then all of the enablers in high places. There should be some sweating it out time for a few of them…just to see them squirm and try to hide. VJJ Jarret shouldn’t be missed either. The list is already made.

                  100 heads


        • Clint Trump has mentioned that said it again tonite ! In Alabama

        • Actually, folks ask him how he’s gonna pay for the wall. He says deport them all and we’d save money….ie, all the money we don’t spend on benies to them goes to the wall and once the walls built we keep saving that expense..

          • The US/Mexico border has always been an issue. The excuse is always the same “no money”, typical lame excuse from Politicians…. but… they have money for Conquest of Wars.

            With all the money spent of these useless wars, imagine how much money could of gone into securing the border and our infrastructure?

            I could imagine it would make the Great Wall Of China look pathetic and useless.

            No Wall or Fence is gonna go up completely at US/MEX border. There is no money in return for our Government, thus creates bad business for them. This, they will not tolerate, so the border will continue to stay open, so anybody and everybody can enjoy the American Dream(disaster)

            Having a secure border means:

            No more documentation of incoming “guest”.
            No more drugs coming through this part of the country.
            No more people to detain and lock them up in our Prison(s).
            No more human trafficking.

            Without the said above activity, no extra monies to be made for the US Government. This is why the border will always remain the same as it is now.

      11. The thought of another Clinton or Bush in the White House is to bad to even think about.
        May God bless donald Trump and keep him and his family safe.

      12. FTW, I haven’t met you before. I have been on here for about 7 years so hello my friend. I agree it’s nothing but a side show anymore. We look like idiots and a country is serious decline with no direction. We have black riots and illegals pouring in. We used to never look so weak. We must admit, we know what to do, but we can’t do what we all really want to do because we would be jailed or killed for trying to take back our country. I just don’t hear people wanting to talk about getting our country back. It seems so many people are about themselves and could care less what happens to anyone outside their little friend circle in life. With that said, they are going to pound and take advantage of us afraid to fight back against the system as ONE. Too bad it will just degrade. I just want this to get going so we can start a new direction

        • Countries can recover. Chile, for example. The press reviles Pinochet, but he reversed a Communist takeover, and returned Chile to prosperity. It does take breaking a few eggs.

        • You are absolutely correct Clint Hospo –

          America has become a cesspool of degenerates and undesirables.
          There was a time, when Americans took Pride, and had Love for this Land. Now it seems most could care less, as you so politely said:

          “it seems so many people are about themselves an could care less what happens to anyone outside their little friend circle in life.”

          Besides the obvious issues of Governance, this “society” raises many concerns for the future of America. It’s beyond disturbing, … I find down right disgraceful.

          I don’t know what’s wrong with the younger generations of people, but the Trend of quality is deteriorating fast and there is no signs of relief coming at all.

          The Government has succeeded in dumbing down a large percentage of America. “Well done douchebags …. well done”

          • “…and every man did what was right in his own heart.”

      13. I actually engage the Democrat enemy.
        I’m planing to do a “Qui Tam” on the local
        police chief and use Democrat laws to put
        his ass in jail and make some money.

        As for getting the country back, I have no desire
        to save New York city, Chicago, San Francisco,
        Los Angeles, Portland, et al. I want to save the winter
        wheat in North Dakota!

        You should pick your wars carefully, and the Democrat cities is not the place. They can die. I don’t care. The world doesn’t need American Democrats.

        • No need for anybody here to engage in a Large Metropolitan City as you have described. Only if one wants to end their life early … well .. then have at it I suppose.

          The undesirables will kill each other off for the most part.
          Once resources dry up, and any undesirables left that has the balls to lurk out to the countryside for re-supplying themselves. Well, I just have to say … this would be a bad move on their part for being curious.

        • In large part, the last few comments here are more true than most realize. To make the point I often use preppers. While I can easily agree with the lack of knowledge the younger generation has, and the vast amount of distraction available. I also look at the community that has that information and is preparing for the worst.

          The de facto response for, from what I’ve observed, in most preppers is what appears to be the “Preparing to kill your neighbors” perspective, where every man is an island who retreats to their strongholds when SHTF. It seems fear grips even those who know whats coming. It’s my preference to find people who tend to act as beacons for other people, not islands drifting away from them, preparing to teach others how they need to survive.

      14. Only the strong shall survive 🙂

      15. Link in Drudge to the Wall Street Journal says:

        “The Dow’s more than 1,000-point drop this week was the largest weekly drop since the week ended Oct. 10, 2008.”

        The next three or four weeks may be interesting.

        • Arch, been wondering how to make money off this drop.
          Tracking SDS, SPXS, SDOW and SQQQ. Inverse ETFs that go up when the market goes down.
          Jump in now and ride it to the bottom…

          Any other ideas planners???

          • Not to come off sounding like an Ass Eppe, but … please stop playing the GAME that is not suited for guys like you and I.

            Big Boys Game, the little guys get robbed by the Big Boy Club and we are not rich enough to join them.

            • FTW, no offence taken.
              Did you look at the charts of the ETFs I spoke of?
              One could put 20k in one of these, and ride it down, maybe making 10 times your input.
              Once you have covered your basics of preps, debt free (almost) and real estate setups, and have extra monies to make monies, what does one do?
              I ask, because the inputs from others may open a venue to pursue.
              May all prosper and be well here…

              • I dont know bud, my Pop did stuff like that and lost his ass every time, then again that was 20 years ago

              • Don’t play on margin, leverage. This keeps you from getting a margin call and you can hold any losers until the cows come home. The trend is your friend, if it is tanking, catch a stall and jump in short and ride that bastard into the basement. Don’t try to buy the top/bottom it will just make you cry, take a chunk out of the middle. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Don’t get greedy.

                • the first half hour and last half hour of trading can make you bank if it is trending well and not going sideways. Play the trend then sell when things start going sideways and wait for the next ramp.

              • Don’t marry a stock and take it home. Be out of the market at the end of each trading day.

                • Don’t be afraid to sell a losing position. Cut your loses short and let your winners run.

                  • AND THE NUMBER ONE RULE IN TRADING: Take the money! That means sell any position that has made money and is turning. If you are up on a trade and it is starting to trend sideways..SELL!

                • Never fall in love with anything, except your wife and offspring.

                  WWTI GOT THAT CORRECT…

                  BUY LOW, SELL HIGH…

                  • And if you just MUST be a trader, trade the e-mini futures.

                    Emini S&P 500 futures are probably the most important trading vehicle in the world.

                    The Emini (or E-mini or ES) is a futures contract that tracks the S&P 500 index. It is traded on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME) via their Globex electronic platform. Trading is 23 ½ hours a day, 5 days a week, using the ticker symbol ES. Each 1 point move in the S&P 500 index is worth US$50 per Emini contract and the minimum move of the Emini futures contract (or tick size) is 0.25 index points.

                    Oh btw, you’re welcome..

                    • P>S Always use stops to the down side moving them forward to protect your gains.

                  • .02, have not done anything yet,
                    But it does make one wonder what to do?

                    Everyone needs to thank Mac for this place…

                    One day we may not be able to vent…

                    • Trading is probably one of the most exciting things you will ever do. Make sure you play with money you can afford to lose. One of the best tricks is to try to think of the money as someone elses and you are just trying to gain a point or two. Remember it will cost you money to the clearing firm every time you buy and sell. It is called a round trip. So on the minis you have to be up 2 ticks to be able to make money after the cost of the ticket. Trading left me covered in a cold sweat. I bet it took 10 years off my life, but o my gawd what a trip! I plan on another attack in the future.

                    • 02, Agreed it is a rush to win, and a bummer to lose.
                      Hence I have not jumped in, but you are correct…
                      But hiding a few firearms is a good thing???

                      May all prosper and be well here…

                    • I haven’t hid any firearms yet, but I do have them scattered around a bit more. Locked away here and there, but not to the point of digging holes in the woods. But, I cant for 100% certain say I never will be forced to. I have a new technology I am going to be testing next week and will let you know if this is as good as I think it is going to be. If this unit preforms like I think it could/can it is going to revolutionize shooting. Especially at night.

          • Been a while since a good joke…

            Bull Market:

            Is a random market movement causing an investor to mistake himself for a financial genius.

            Bear Market:

            Is a 6 to 24 month period when the kids get no allowance, the wife gets no jewelry and the husband gets no sex.


            What your trade account and wallet will be when you take a flyer on that hot stock tip your secretary gave you.


            What your broker uses to explain why your mutual funds tanked during the last quarter.
            Stock Market Jokes

            QUESTION: When does a person decide to become a stockbroker?

            ANSWER: When he realizes he doesn’t have the charisma to succeed as an undertaker.

            An American investment banker was at the pier of a small coastal Greek village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large yellow fin tuna.

            The American complimented the Greek on the quality of his fish and asked, “How long does it take to catch them?” The Greek replied: “Only a little while.”

            The American then asked why didn’t he stay out longer and catch more fish? The Greek said he had enough to support his family’s immediate needs. The American then asked, “But what do you do with the rest of your time?”

            The Greek fisherman said, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siesta with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play cards with my friends, I have a full and busy life.”

            The American scoffed, “I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat with the proceeds from the bigger boat you could buy several boats, eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats.

            Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing and distribution.

            You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Athens, then London and eventually New York where you will run your expanding enterprise.”

            The Greek fisherman asked, “But, how long will this all take?” To which the American replied, “15-25 years.”

            “But what then?” The American laughed and said that’s the best part. “When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich, you would make millions.”

            “Millions … Then what?” The American said, “Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siesta with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play cards with your friends.”

            • Eppe;
              Thanks I need a good laugh, U DAH MAN!!!!
              N. Reb

      16. The corruption in the marketplace cannot be overstated; silver was DOWN today in spite of a 530 point drop in the DOW. The manipulation is glaring and obvious. “Free market forces driving metals prices” defenders? You’re full of crapola.

        • Yep, and as I have mentioned here before. Prices of Gold, Silver and other Precious Metals Values are only worth, what “they” say it is.

          Everything is manipulated, and the rigging of the Metal Market has been proof long enough, that people should realize this.

          Sure, the day will come when they’ll raise the Market Value, but by then. They either stole it from you, or you had to turn them in just to make ends meet.

          They have done it before, they sure the hell will do it again.

          • Nope. Down as commodities are over-built. Oversupply. And econ tanking. Market down + Commodities down tells you something. What? If the money is exiting both then they think el crapper ahead.

      17. My daughter had an apt near the city in a high rise on the 26th floor. I bought her a two pack of gas masks rated for smoke and cyanide, typically in the air during a fire.

        I told her if there was ever a fire, take the masks, if smoke starts filling the fire escape stairs, put on the mask and keep going. Don’t stop for anyone, and don’t let anyone take your mask. The hardest part will be stepping on or over the dead and dying to get out.

        Once out feel free to give your mask to anyone that wants to go back in to help people. Otherwise just keep walking.

        There is an aspect of prepping that includes financial disasters, and there are ways to prep for those. Just because you aren’t seeing zombies in the streets, doesn’t mean the time won’t come when you need to step over the dead or dying in the streets.

        I’m a little surprised by the flippant attitude of some here when articles talk about the in our face financial threat.

        I’m half expecting a bottom next week, and possibly a surge in stocks as people try to snatch up what they think are bargains. In a week it could be business as usual, with yet more down just weeks away. Much like the markets behaved before the big crash in the Great Depression. Several small corrections added up, and then the flames.

      18. Trumps a fish the guy will tell you deport the illegals then once he’s in he will flip flop like a fish and support the corporate fascist Orwellian boot lickers and you will be the ones eating shit sandwiches. Don’t fall for it the system needs a purging from all the pieces of shit in power. I’m with Ron he gets it. Down with corporate and gov filth. There is no one you can vote for that’s not part of the agenda wake up people. We live in the fascist shithole Merica.

        • If that’s the case, how would it be any worse than the pieces of feces we have in office now?

      19. It may or may no be the big one this time, It will happen sooner or later that is set in stone now. Too much debt. too much industry gone to other nations. Too many entitlement programs. I do believe however that maybe jut maybe TRUMP the business man can slow the decline. But im not sure of that…GOD, guns and preps!

        • USMC:
          Who know If this is the big one we have been waiting for.
          All I know after looking at the charts it sure is looking like a repeat of the late 20’s.
          All those squiggly lines are all matching up quite nicely. It looks like someone is tracing over the same lines.
          GOD, guns and preps good way to go.
          N. Reb

      20. Watch the video on youtube…

        Jonathan Cahn’s message 2015

        Says it all…

        Get right with God and Jesus…its the only way…

        Salvation, Repentance, Revival and Return to the Lord is the only way to stop this madness…

        Just a few scriptures for the judgment we are now facing and it is sure to get worse.

        Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness…” (Isaiah 5:20)

        The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower” (Deuteronomy 28:43)

        5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
        6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
        7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45: 5-7)

        No matter how much bullets, beans and water you have…if you don’t have the Lord in your heart it won’t matter.

        We are taught in school we are temporary and the earth will be here forever…just more being duped…in fact we are eternal and the earth will be temporary…you will either go to Heaven or to the Lake of Fire…choose wisely.

        1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (Revelation 21:1)

        God Bless to all who get right with the LORD.

        • Right, this is the SAME Jonathan Kahn that said the world was going to end back in 1974. Like Mikey the Snyder, keep calling for the end o’ the world long enough and eventually you’ll get it right! Of course, hundreds or thousands or millions of years may pass before it happens, but hey, who’s keeping count of such a trivial thing as a timeline anyway?

          • I don’t believe Jonathan Cahn is old enough to have been giving such predictions back in 1974. I think he might have been 15 or 16 years old. He didn’t start his organization until 1989.

            He is simply pointing out the fact that there is a pattern, and if things keep following the pattern, SHTF happens in September or October.

      21. Keep hoarding cash people. Take your$ out of the game forever.

      22. Well here it comes boys and girls. Hope you all got your boots laced up good and tight because after witnessing the DOW 500+ point drop today I am kind of thinking we are all about ankle deep in the you know what at this point. Knee high by Thanksgiving. Waist high by Christmas…hope your ready.
        Have a nice weekend everybody.
        I will be spending mine getting my Arizona fall / winter vegetable garden ready. Got the first load of nicely aged seasoned cow ca ca yesterday and will be mixing up soil tomorrow morning bright and ugly! Seeds in by mid Sept.
        take care now!

        • Mark:
          I really thing if we see that Dow “ca ca” It will be before Thanksgiving. I hope you are right and I am wrong.
          N. Reb

      23. Wow, even on SHTF Normalcy Bias still exist.

      24. I used to say BOTC. Pronounced bought-see. Bring On The Collapse. A friend pointed out that was incorrect nowadays. The Collapse is here. So now it is Bought Pee. BOTP. Bring on the Pain. So… Get your favorite drink, popcorn, and lawnchair. Double check your preps. IMHO I think the next 3 months(at least) will be interesting. I only hit the net once a week. Working to the twice a month but not there yet. Darned hard to shake the net. I wish all well. Keep the eyes open, powder dry, stock preps while you can, and the good book near for comfort.As for Ass Ed Itches. Go watch Caitlyn some and get inspired. Don’t prep as you don’t need to. Be well and have a happy happy joy joy day

      25. They never let the market go down any significant amount over the last few years, it is not naturally to not have already had a correction, now we are going to get crushed because everything is tied to it. If you have not already been prepping you are too late.

      26. I just saw on the previous post that I am under attack again. Fee they really want me off this site don’t they..yes, we have chinese communist and jihadist posting on this site now. Let me tell you f…ks something. come to my place or engage my in public, I will fire on you if you threaten me. You chinese communist, Russian and No jihadist..as for you jihadist f…ks. Did you see me run 2 months ago when your russian and Chinese. My style is Agent showed up the restaurant I was at, staring me down, and my friends notice it. Did you see me run. I challenge any chinese communist soldiers to engage me in public, let it be martial arts fight l, no guns. I am going to beat the f…k out you right in public in front of the American people to set example to let you know that red neck, and Si Lat is a bad combination. Keep it up I know you f..k ers are following me around this city and are reading my post.



        • BOO!

        • Another tragic casualty of psych wars.

          • I thought it was the drug wars.

        • Get out of your mother’s basement and get a job.

        • Do you take the extended release Lithium? It’s not much more expensive than the IR and would provide better coverage. You also might try a Haldol 10mg at bedtime too.

          If the people are still following you around after that we could consider Geodon 40mg, Abilify 15mg, and perhaps add a Seroquel XR 300mg at night.

          You’ll feel better once we get the dose right.

          • But until then, please just stay inside this nice room with the padded walls and double locks on the door.


        Listen to the young people, F-this, F-that, and nary anyone will step up and correct them- even with wife and kids in tow!
        FINALLY – – Someone in the teaching profession had the courage to set the standards so badly needed NOW.

        New high school principal

        We watched high school principal Dennis Prager of Colorado, along with Sara Palin and Tom Brokaw on TV a couple of weeks ago…. What a dynamic, down to earth speaker. This is the guy that should be running for President in 2016

        A Speech Every American High School Principal Should Give.
        By Dennis Prager .

        To the students and faculty of our high school:

        I am your new principal, and honored to be so. There is no greater calling than to teach young people.

        I would like to apprise you of some important changes coming to our school. I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas that have dominated public education in America have worked against you, against your teachers and against our country.

        this school will no longer honor race or ethnicity. I could not care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow or white. I could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian or European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower or on slave ships. The only identity I care about, the only one this school will recognize, is your individual identity — your character, your scholarship, your humanity. And the only national identity this school will care about is American.

        This is an American public school, and American public schools were created to make better Americans. If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial or religious identity through school, you will have to go elsewhere. We will end all ethnicity, race and non-American nationality-based celebrations. They undermine the motto of America , one of its three central values — E pluribus unum, “from many, one.” And this school will be guided by America ‘s values. This includes all after-school clubs. I will not authorize clubs that divide students based on any identities. This includes race, language, religion, sexual orientation or whatever else may become in vogue in a society divided by political correctness.

        Your clubs will be based on interests and passions, not blood, ethnic, racial or other physically defined ties. Those clubs just cultivate narcissism — an unhealthy preoccupation with the self — while the purpose of education is to get you to think beyond yourself. So we will have clubs that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, astronomy, languages you do not already speak, carpentry and more. If the only extracurricular activities you can imagine being interested in are those based on ethnic, racial or sexual identity, that means that little outside of yourself really interests you.

        Second, I am uninterested in whether English is your native language. My only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking and writing English as fluently as possible. The English language has united America ‘s citizens for over 200 years, and it will unite us at this school. It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of immigrants has always come to be one country. And if you leave this school without excellent English language skills, I would be remiss in my duty to ensure that you will be prepared to successfully compete in the American job market. We will learn other languages here — it is deplorable that most Americans only speak English — but if you want classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not your school.

        Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavor , everything in this school will reflect learning’s elevated status. This means, among other things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly. Many people in our society dress more formally for Hollywood events than for church or school. These people have their priorities backward. Therefore, there will be a formal dress code at this school.

        Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school’s property — whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If you can’t speak without using the f -word, you can’t speak. By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission, plus epithets such as “Nigger,” even when used by one black student to address another black, or “bitch,” even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few your age to instinctively distinguish between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene.

        Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs. In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way — the way people attained it until decided otherwise a generation ago — by earning it. One immediate consequence is that there will be one valedictorian, not eight.

        Sixth, and last, I am reorienting the school toward academics and away from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as only or primarily a health issue… There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual or not Christian. We will have failed if any one of you graduates this school and does not consider him or herself inordinately fortunate — to be alive and to be an American.

        Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of our country. As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand them out to you.

        • You were going well until pledging allegiance to a cloth.

      28. http://www.forecasts.org/djia.htm
        These folks show a drop to 15K by the end of the year.

        Dow Jones High in 2008 13,338.23 1/2/08
        Dow Jones Low in 2008 7449.38 11/21/08

        Rednek economic indicators show a bottom of around 10K February-March 2016. I wouldn’t put any store by this however. I’m still trying to figure out how to reconcile a checkbook don’t ya know. 🙂

      29. Renewed the perscription for glasses today. Might be handy to have a spare pair of glasses. Good luck to all.

        • And spare reading glasses for those of us who need them.

      30. Oil has fallen to below 40 dollars, They will never allow the pump price to go below 2 dollars. Fixed. The retail stores won’t lower their prices even though their sales have flatlined. Food prices rise steadily, even the gmo tainted garbage. I’m still trying to get an answer as to why the food prices haven’t went down since the last fuel price downswing. The reason before for high food price hikes was transportation costs had risen. Where is the subsequent fall in food costs? I actually seek out the managers when shopping and ask them this question. Duh! They look at me with a blank stare and say, “I don’t know”. I feel like picketing these gougers, though I’m sure the police would be called to shoo me away. That’s a beaten society, afraid to go out in the streets and demand change. There is safety in numbers.

        • Part of food prices being high is the current bird (chicken) and pig diseases making normally cheaper products short in supply and expensive, and part of it is that it takes time to rebuild herds and crops that have been diminished by drought after the drought ends (and it hasn’t ended in may productive areas) as well as after they’ve been cut back because of high fuel and fertilizer prices.

          The lag time for oil products is far less than the lag time for agricultural products because of the nature of their production, storage, and consumption.

        • Gas was $1.74 here just this spring, now why did ‘they’ allow that to happen then, but won’t now?

      31. Saturday 22nd. Saw Mondays’ Dow futures are already down about 450 points.

        • Dow Fut.
          Down 480 pts.

          Brace for impact.

      32. ht tp://www.forecasts.org/djia.htm
        These folks show a drop to 15K by the end of the year.

        Dow Jones High in 2008 13,338.23 1/2/08
        Dow Jones Low in 2008 7449.38 11/21/08

        Rednek economic indicators show a bottom of around 10K February-March 2016. I wouldn’t put any store by this however. I’m still trying to figure out how to reconcile a checkbook don’t ya know.

      33. Rednek, I call it it the financial clutter f…k event. the numbers are showing how screwed things really are right now.


      34. Say a prayer for those we lost at Ruby Ridge
        The anniversary of their murders are upon us again
        And that POS Lon Horichi (sp?) is still alive and enjoying his freedom
        Makes me sick for this country that BS like this still hasent been corrected

      35. I work at our local hospital for a group of doctors. They were all freaking out yesterday about the stock market. It’s interesting to watch such ‘highly educated’ individuals seem to be in complete shock. One even said he wouldn’t sell because the market will be fine.

        • The market will be fine.

          Same way it turned out fine after ’29 and the depression era.

          Just might take a while, that’s all.

          • Yeah……Like around the mid 1950’s…….ahahahaaaaaaa

        • Sounds like none of them use a qualified financial advisor. A good advisor would have seen this coming for months. Everyone I know who watches the market and knows anything has been moving to cash for the last year plus. Its a credit bubble don’t ya know!

          I have learned the same thing about docs. Too smart to listen to anyone who actually knows. I think that’s common with rich folks who write the checks.

      36. Some people have argued against what Jonathan Cahn has discovered about the Shemitah years, but it’s hard to argue against a pattern that definitely has existed for over 100 years.

        These are some of the Shemitah years and what happened:

        1910 – q and CAPE charts (look them up) showed the start of a steep decline, which led to 1917’s depression

        1917 – depression and World War I

        1924 – Dawes plan for German reparations went into effect

        1931 – September 1931 was worst monthly decline of the Great Depression; Bank of the United States in NY failed; 9-19-1931 financial panic swept Europe; England abandoned the gold standard

        1938 – recession and 19% unemployment

        1945 – end of WWII; UN charter ratified 10-24-1945

        1952 – I didn’t find anything for this year. Everything seemed to be great, with a growing middle class and narrowing income gap.

        1959 – credit cards with revolving credit lines introduced, preparing the way for most of the population to get head over heels in debt buying toys and trying to keep up with the Joneses

        1966 – bear market and credit crunch; S&P down about 22% by October

        1973 – October oil crisis, oil embargo; bear market; inflation more than doubles

        1981 – recession; MTV began

        1987 – Black Monday on 10-19-1987, biggest crash up to that time, 508 points, 22.6%

        1994 – bond market suffered a very sharp and sudden selloff

        2001 – 9-11; stock market fell 684.81 points on 9-17-2001, which was Elul 29 on Jewish calendar

        2008 – stock market fell 777.68 points, worst ever, on 9-29-2008, which was Elul 29 on Jewish calendar

        There sure looks to be a pattern there. And the last few times have been increasingly worse.

        Just for fun, here’s a good one. 1609 was a Shemitah year. Manhattan was discovered by Henry Hudson on 9-11-1609.

        You can print this list to show people who don’t believe there’s a pattern.

        • Nice post Archivist, and yes. I have noticed this to be a pattern as well, and I’m not sure how anybody can dispute it.

          It always seems to be a pattern with numbers and astrology that these people like to arrange events to happen.

        • Also, in 1938, Hitler annexed Austria. With little European push back, he was encouraged to go further, eventually resulting in WWII starting in 1939.

          The Civil War started in 1861, another Shemitah year.

      37. So I wonder why so many sites have not even mentioned the crash – Fox, CNN, even Dave Hodges and Infowars have barely mentioned it. This is more interesting than the Black Lives Matter stuff, etc. It’s historical and significant, don’t they realize?

      38. The bankser just need to create more digital credits to be spent on inflating the stock bubble, end of crash

        Corporations just need to keep selling each other invesments like selling shares in a lost making devision for $5bn to it’s corporate friends on the understanding that these friends will “Invest” $5bn in buying a polished turb back in return.

        They call it cross investment, i call it fraud

        These dip’s and booms are designed to con the out side investors (you and me) into making a loss so don’t bank on this dip turning into a full on crash, it’s all fixed

      39. I’m biding my time over the next few weeks/months. I’ve had my 401(k) funds in a cash account for years, and it appears I will have a bargain basement buying opportunity here shortly.

        Buy quality stocks or mutual funds when they go on deep discount. Black Friday sale coming soon!


        In a few hours we will know for sure which way the wind blows. Looking ahead to future discussions and I figure the topics of God and Politics will turn to more, down to earth matters. At this time if you do not understand what can happen and what you should have done to compensate for the hardship. Then you are going to have a major learning experience.

        Today I purchased some cans of expanding foam and some tubes of window sealant. Managed to also buy two 1.8 cu. ft. re-sealable metal drums. Weatherproof and EMP proof.

        • Never stop prepping.They want people to sleep through their rape.

          I cut and split another 1/2 cord of oak this morning. That gets me close to the 6 cords we need for this winter. Should be getting the last of the garden harvested this week and canning is on for next weekend along with bottling my latest batch of ale.

          We have been laying in the last of the preps. Got a MURS radio motion detector this week and will order a couple more. They work awesome and will give a good advanced notice of activity on the trails around my “campsite”.

          Small game season starts on Sept. 15th and the salmon are stacking up in the big lake right now, ready to run up the river. The smoker will be running for a while this year. The turkeys are almost ready to take to the Amish and the young hens are about ready to start laying.

          The moral of this is that we have spent years getting ready and I think very soon it will all pay off for us. Those who laughed at us will soon be sorry they ignored the signs.

          Fuck’em all.

          • Gone Camping – Yep, they will be. But then so will some people like myself who spent the last 2 years prepping. It took a lot out of me as I have a disability and didn’t have the help I needed at times, or the resources, so it was a struggle. The people who could have joined forces with me, and also helped me as well with what I couldn’t handle, instead laughed at me. So screw em. Don’t care if I ever see them again. Better off without them.

            I doubt I’ll survive this long-term anyway as I have COPD from 9/11 (never smoked) and need temp-controlled COPD meds that are distributed monthly so I may be SOL right there. And the only other thing that helps to manage it and reduce the severity of this progressive lung disease and keep it somewhat under control is, believe it or not, fresh wild-caught Salmon… farm-raised doesn’t work. But I don’t know where to move to gain regular access to it. Alaska is not an option.

            I live on the East Coast near NYC. You mentioned ‘salmon are stacking up’, but where? Have you heard that East Coast salmon is okay? I’ve always thought Alaskan was best, well until Fukishima. As of a few weeks ago I no longer have a way of getting the fresh Wild-Caught Salmon that I need and that is safe, not polluted or radiated.

            If I were to move from this horrid hell-hole area I live in, where are there plenty of (salmon) streams/lakes where I could catch my own fresh salmon instead of relying on stores that may shut down and others who may be selling radiated fish? I can live anywhere, employment isn’t a problem.

            But I need Salmon in my diet to help control the COPD and would like to live where the Salmon is abundant, fresh and safe. I can move anywhere in the U.S. as long as I can bring my belongings and preps. I can move quickly as I am on my own and currently renting.

            The salmon won’t cure the COPD but I’ve been eating it for years and it does help a lot and without it and the meds (which I may not have access to or be able to store at proper temps) I’ll be done. Thanks for any advice/help.

            • I’m sorry about your health issues. Move out here to Michigan and come “Up North”. Every large river here has a fall run of Salmon. Coho and Kings (Chinook). Steel Head (10 – 16 lb Rainbow Trout) also come up the rivers to spawn. In the summer you can fish the Great Lakes and catch all of them including Lake Trout and Splake. The salmonids in Lake Michigan are pretty safe if you cut off the meat below the bloodline. Almost all of the heavy metals will be minimized by that simple task.

              Winters are a little harsh but it will thin out the unprepared quite fast. The air is clean and there are plenty of decent folks around here. Many have been here for 5 or more generations like my family has. My sisters down near Cleveland are going to be the ones who miss out. We tried to get them on-board over the years but they think we are crazy.

              I’ll take our simple lifestyle over their hectic lives any day.
              We can grow about anything here. Our habenero peppers are full of healthy anti-oxidants, not to mention hotter than hell.They are just now ripening. We are the envy of more than one Mexican family that buys produce from us. We have an orchard but it’s too cold here for peach trees. Apples, pears and plums do fine. Grapes, raspberries, rhubarb and asparagus round out our permanent crops.

              You should really think about relocating to a safer residence where life will be great for you.
              Good luck and Godspeed.

      41. Gone Camping – Thanks for your thoughtful reply and insights. Very helpful. It’s a huge decision for me. Deciding where to spend my final years is dependent upon the weather and being able to grow my own food, and of course, the Salmon. The other factor is the population. I live in snobville and in the most densely populated area of the country – worst place to be in a SHTF scenario.

        Hopefully, by the time I am ready to move in a few months, it won’t be too late to leave, post-SHTF. I was unable to move away sooner. I will check out the housing market up North in the areas you suggested on real estate websites, especially the areas you mentioned where fresh, wild caught Salmon is abundant (and safe to eat!), and then I will make a few trips there and secure a rental before making a final decision and buying a home where I’ll be safe when everything falls apart. Thanks again. Much appreciated. You’ve been very helpful. CC

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