The Perfect Storm is Coming For Gold: “Economics Will Crush the Very People Who are Behind the Devastation”

by | Dec 16, 2013 | Precious Metals | 295 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    If you have been investing in gold and silver since the crash of global stock markets in 2008 or before, you’ve seen some pretty wild swings. They’re enough to make any traditional investor lose their nerve and buy or sell at exactly the wrong time.

    But if you’re one of those “doomers” out there who understands that the price of gold, like everything else, is being manipulated by the powers that be, and that gold itself is the asset of last resort during times of instability, then you’ve made out like a bandit or will soon enough.

    As a doom and gloom gold investor, your underlying reason for investing in precious metals is likely far removed from the ideas held by those on Wall Street or main street financial services firms. You’re not necessarily in it for the money. Rather, you’re in it for the insurance it provides should the “money” become worthless.

    No matter how much the Fed and their partners at some of the world’s largest financial institutions attempt to manipulate nature, in the end, nature will win out. And, as Peak Resources suggests in the micro-documentary below, they will be the ones who get crushed in the end.

    The likely outcome is that Americans across the board will feel the pain as well when complete monetary destruction takes hold, but at least some of us have taken the necessary steps to insulate ourselves from such a disaster by investing in hard assets like precious metals, food, productive land, and skills training for jobs that will actually be worth something when our currency no longer is.

    The perfect storm is coming for gold…

    With fiat currency being pumped into the system daily and the gold sector in shambles, the central banks are in for a big surprise because sooner or later supply and demand economics will crush the very people who are behind the devastation we have seen in the gold mining and precious metal industry.

    Watch – Gold Price: Catch 22 (Micro-Documentary)

    With the western central banks suppressing the price, the eastern central banks have been happy buyers.

    However, believes this gold price suppression scheme is nearing its end.

    With the Federal Reserve on a fiat currency suicide mission with QE forever, and the U.S. federal government bankrupt, the days of dollar supremacy are in its last days.

    For gold though, the central banks have really screwed themselves.

    What this all leads to is a price spike in gold, just as gold rose rose from $35 to $850 in the 70s, The Dow Jones from 2,000 to 11,000 in the 1990, and Bitcoin from a penny to $1,200 more recently, so to can gold have a parabolic spike.

    The manipulation of our currency, stock markets, commodities and precious metals is widespread and reaching a tipping point.

    When it does, gold and silver won’t be the only resources that gain value.

    Assets not tied to debt, that you have in your possession, will be the only investments that will help you through hard times.

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      1. Hard assets that can make you money and those that are no longer made in the US. That’s where I am putting my money.

        • But Bernanke said gold isn’t money. Shouldn’t you trust him? He is/was the head of the Federal Reserve.

          • Gold is not a good money, but it is real wealth. Back up the truck to the extent you can. Gold will spike when Israel launches a First Strike against Iran.

            Its coming. 🙁

            • You want to see a parabolic spike in something? Try that can of food you have in your hand, or bottle of clean water, roll of toilet paper, that firearm with extra ammo in your pocket. Precious metals are important as long as times don’t hit Mad Max level. Tangible goods that you can use and save your life with is where it neeeds to be should the level of SHTF goes beyond 8 on a scale from 0 to 10 in severity. You look at a can of red salmon brought 5 years with an expired date of this year. It was $2.69 back then and now is at $5.79. That is doubling your money, plus it was a hell of lot safer when it was packed before Fukushima.

              When you purchase lots of precious metals instead of food, water, firearms and other protection, and the whole slew of other other needs, you are betting that SHTF will not reach the mega level. That is a dangerous bet.

              When you have the money precious metals are a good idea, but first and foremost what you can use to live is ALWAYS the top priority for anyone. If there is no one left to trade gold, platinum, opr silver with what good is it to your survival? Yes, times can become that bad. What if you have to avoid exposure to anyone because of a deadly virus. Would you trade silver with someone that could make you sick with a doomsday bug? I rather have what I need to avoid such a situation. I would not feel safe using anything that some potential plague carrying had anyway.

              First supplies, then the precious metals if you can afford it. You just can’t go wrong with having what you need at an arm’s reach. These needs will become more valuable than any hard money when SHTF severe enough. ANY money is exactly that, you have to have someone willing to accept it in exchange for something you need. As long as times remain stable enough precious metals are true safety. Lose that stability and then all you have is what you have stored for the needs to stay alive.

              • Balance mother fucker. In this order.. God, Water, Grub, Guns and gold.

                • Be informed — those are words to live by.

                  Folks that put their assets before their asses

                  will get both handed to them on a platter when

                  the rubber really hits the road.

                  • Mac,(just asking): How will this storm crush those behind the devastation? If anything, the only way these people can be devastated (in my mind) is if they’re arrested, tried, and X-i-cuted. These parasites stay hidden and surround themselves with serfs(sheeple).
                    It is the people between TPTB and preppers that’ll be crushed.

                  • the durango kidd says:

                    “Gold is not a good money, but it is real wealth.”

                    Oh… ok. LOL.

                    So a store of “wealth” (gold) can’t be converted to a medium of exchange (money)?

                    Q: Why do Collectivists/Fascists hate gold?

                    A: Because a “Gold Standard” keeps the government/banking/criminal classes in check!

                    On a “Gold Standard,” the government/criminals can’t arbitrarily expand the money supply; They can’t expand the bureaucracy; And they can’t screw the people over by devaluing the currency.

                    End the fraud of central banking.

                    END THE FED!!

                  • DRD5508: They would be devastated only to the extent of not owning any gold when the perfect storm for gold hits.

                    This presumes, of course, that they are not buying or do not own any gold themselves as the lemmings sell theirs on their way over the cliff.

                    Someone is buying when sellers unload as the price deteriorates. Guess who? Engage your employees or be manipulated by them, one ounce at a time. 🙂

                • @ Money Supply. First of all I am not a MF. Next is balance. IF SHTF doesn’t occur for awhile precious metals are safety. The second to last sentence states this. I see articles all over the internet about financial safety using all sorts of means of achieving this. Excellent advice often. However I don’t see in these articles WHAT IF truly the world we know really and truly collapses. Call it the world as we know it ends, whatever.

                  It doesn’t make sense to me for a family to invest extra money, after they pay bills, say $10000 in 8 gold coins and wait for the gold to hit $10000 an ounce. Okay say it does hit $10000 an ounce. What will it cost to purchase their immediate needs? The family would have been far better off FIRST to purchase food for a year or more. Then with what was left over purchased some silver coins. Like you say balance.

                  Too often these precious metal brokers peddle the idea that all you need is precious metals to be safe. Yeah, until some pandemic starts and you can’t go out of your home unless you want to risk death immediately. Or the world finally goes to war and money is ONLY what you can eat, drink, or use to live. War and a plague are probably the two most likely SHTF scenarioes to hit humans in their immediate futures.

                  IF I ever had the winning Powerbal or Meg Millions winning ticket, that golden ticket would be cashed in to a mass of precious metals. Gold, platinum, silver, and other precious metals are true security. Other than Real estate, all other means of investment can burn up completely within an instance from a martial law state, solar or nuclear EMP, again a plague, war, dollar collapse, etc, etc, etc. Priority ALWAYS needs to what will keep you alive and well and physically safe. Precious metals absolutely have their place WHEN the other higher priorities are FIRST taken care of.

                  • PMs (before food, water and other true necessities)could be considered only in the unlikely (but possible I guess)scenario of a true SHTF actually not occurring but rather, just abandonment of the dollar or other fiat currencies as an “isolated disruption”, whereby society civility and commerce is otherwise preserved while a new form of money, i.e., bitcoins or a system like it based (backed) by a basket of commodities like oil, wheat, water, photo voltaic cells, etc. i.e., the so called basket of commodities theory emerges.

                    Whether this could occur without a true SHTF scenario is anyone’s guess.

                    Bottom line, if no major SHTF scenario and people can transition to a fiat alternative, then “gold first” would be a good strategy. But, if the SHTF, then gold might come into play only provided you first had stocked up on food, water and other tangibles that allowed you to survive until the reset.

                    In short, either way, gold could be a good play in the end in either a SHTF scenario or a non SHTF scenario.

                    Those who bought it early and cheap could actually reap profits in a benign reset scenario. Those who stocked up on both essentials like food and water and gold would survive and emerge with preservation of both their lives abd assets after a SHTF scenario.

                  • Prepper Tip of the Day

                    7 Fast, Easy 72 Hour Kit Upgrades

                    – Are the backup clothes appropriate for the season?

                    – Has the tape gotten overly sticky or unusable? Duct tape tends to get overly sticky for me and athletic tape tends to become harder to get off the roll AND harder to get to stick to anything.

                    – Are bandaids, gauze, and other medical items still sealed, or has the seal failed?

                    – Is your saline or eye wash still within the expiration date?

                    – Is the food less than 2 years old? (Long term food storage and MREs CAN last 20-25 years, if kept in a cool dry place, but frequent heating and cooling cycles–like what food goes through in a vehicle–can degrade the nutritional value of your food to that of flavored cardboard in a few short years. It’s actually possible to death with a full stomach.) We rotate our 72 hour kit food every 6-12 months.

                    – Are the medications in your kit still in good shape? I’ve noticed that Benadryl is the canary in the mine for us. The cover of the tablets start cracking and separating after a year or so in a vehicle and are a great visible reminder to swap out medications. This has nothing to do with expiration dates and everything to do with the medications being exposed to repeated violent fluctuations in temperature.

                    – Do you need to replace anything that you’ve pilfered from your kits since the last time you’ve checked them? Do the kids “emergency clothes” still fit?

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                  • Thanks much for the link KY Mom!

                    Never doubt, many here appreciate and understand where you’re coming from…and why!

                    Keep up the good work GOD Bless!

                  • not all coins are 9.999 gold most gold coins are just 90% gold

                  • My wife’s relatives drove from St Petersburg, Russia to China by way of Siberia in the 1920s. They couldn’t possibly take all their food/gas/ammo or other necessities with them on the trip. They made it because they had (you guessed it) gold. Gold got hem gas and fed them all the way to China. If they had taken your advice, they would never have made it. You never know what will happen. Having some of everything insures you can deal with different situations. PMs are part of my prep for sure.

                • @ Money Supply

                  If your comment had read, “Balance MY FRIEND. In this order: God, Water, Grub, Guns and gold.” you would have not received any negative votes…

                • So we have a new troll named money supply. Money supply, you need to move on and go f#$% yourself! MOLON LABE braveheart

                  • Its probably Pederson haven’t seen a post from him in a while

                  • Brave and others: Will be out of the country for awhile, will try to look in and see what’s up, hope everything stays calm till I get back. Best wishes. Paranoid. “Aim small, use a Nuke.”

                  • Paranoid, hurry back Wyoming won’t be the same without you. Trekker Out. Travel Safely!

                • James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

                • YO Mama: WRONG AGAIN! Gold has been a medium of exchange for perhaps, 9,000 years. But it is not a good money, and the more value it has, the less useful it becomes as money in exchange for goods and services.

                  With a gold standard, OUR gold would follow OUR fiat offshore under the euphemism of FREE TRADE; which is managed trade, and that managed trade is managed by design to drain the wealth of America offshore, and into the pockets of the One Percent.

                  If gold backed digital money, gold could be arbitrarily priced by the Monetary Authority to reflect the number of dollars or yuan in existence; or to be printed, on regular basis.

                  Why are you soooo fucking dumb? Really? 🙂

              • So true………advise to live by

              • No, I own metals and I know we’ll see a complete social breakdown after it hits the fan. I’m protecting my savings and I’m preparing for a long, slow collapse with hyperinflation. When food is 5 times what it is today and gas is $20 a gallon I’ll be able to buy both.

                • That’s what I think is happening too. Fed tapering? Tell me another joke.

                • Barn Cat. Today I picked up may first big buy of Pm’s. I got 4 Grams of gold a $10 roll of pre 1965 silver quarters and a $5 roll of pre 65 Barber dimes. I consider this a big buy because its a lot for me right know since I am just starting so I’m buying tons of food and storing water like crazy I feel like I’m behind the 8 ball since I’m new to prepping.

                  • Great way to get started.
                    Some PM will be necessary during the re-build/stabilization phase as real currency.
                    Also, notice the Chinese and Russia are buying up gold, what if the dollar is no longer the reserve currency, you wont be able to buy Yuan with Dollars, but you can with gold.

                  • If they really are Barber dimes, They are Older than the Mercury dimes or the Rosevelt Silver. I do not recommend them. If you can read the dates you likely paid a little to much for them; they have collecter value. If you cannot read the dates; they have worn off 8-11 % of the silver. That’s why we can never have a Gold/Silve circulatong system. I have weighed lots of coins and they lose about 1/2% of slver in them when new, per year. including what’s what’s just lost, in 100-200 years we would simply run out of PM’S. In the old days Gold did not circulate, it sat in banks, That’s why you see so few old silvr coins they wore out and had to be reminted.

                  • @Paranoid they are Barbers and I did pay to a little to much for them I could have bought the others a lot cheaper and realized that after I placed my order but live and learn. I can read all the dates on them so I guess that’s a plus. And if the shit never hits the fan I can resale them for there collector value or my kids can.

                  • Stay with it, newbee. You will have plenty in no time! 😉

            • world bank whistleblower karen hudes says there is an abundance of gold hidden by the NWO- thousands of tons of it so gold willnot hit the peaks we expect.

              unfortunately, this makes sense and is the link we’ve been missing. as we know, TPTB have covered all bases and can be counted on to devise a way of undermining the common mans’one way of protecting himself. they have destructive countermeasures already planned for whatever preps we make. what they dont have and cant out wit and out shoot is GOD- so pray.

              • There might be an abundance of gold but not of silver. Silver is a far more better investment than gold. Silver is the first metal on the periodic table to become extinct by 2020. As an indication of great the silver shortage is, a major manufacturer of electronics had to suspend its assembly line for 3 months because the company had no silver to place in their androids or iPads. Also, the highly regarded Jim Willie states the world currency reset has already been established. Gold will be priced at $5000 and silver “at least” $250 an ounce. This is related to the BRICS trading alliance and the use of precious metals and commodities instead of fiat currencies. There are 30,000+ industrial uses for silver. If facing extinction, how can a value of even $250 (for starters) reflect the value of silver? Silver is a steal at its present price.

          • Money went backwards when gold became valued
            in dollars rather than dollars being valued
            in gold. Who’s bright idea was that?

            • Hell I dont know?/ Fed reserve around 1918?

            • Money priced in precious metals means that the government is held in accountability for their spending. No “slush funds” here. Precious metals money means that you know where the government stands, in the black or red. Money priced in fiat means that you can have phantom money floating around in numbers that no one actually knows how much and where. Precious metals are hard currency that you can count and have a record of.

              Corruption loves fiat currency and hates precious metals and anything else that can show how much money is actually being taken from the people and the society.

              • BI, good morning, sir, and once again you are right on target with all of your comments. Plus, I noticed the new troll and gave him a piece of my mind. braveheart

            • FDR took us off the gold standard, not Nixon as some believe.

            • Nixon, acting for the Rothschild Syndicate.

          • Bitcoin from a penny to $1,200 more recently, so to can gold have a parabolic spike.

            Been toying with the idea of building me a mining bot for Bitcoin.. Or maybe just renting one? Anyone think these crypto currencies are going anywhere or will stick around? After looking at the advantages of bitcoin, one being the gov is having a hard time taxing it, I am getting interested.

            • Precious metals are what I store. Gold and silver……….

              And copper, and lead, and brass in certain pre-manufactured configurations 🙂

            • i dont know alot about bitcoin ,but i do know if you use the tried method (if you cant hold it in your hand you dont own it ,when things go south you’ll be farther ahead) even the dollars will be worth more than the bitcoin ,you can at least wipe your ass on the dollar ,the bitcoin will just be a forgotten memory in a computers hard drive somwhere

            • .02, just long enough to vacuum out the pockets of all who participate.

            • The problem with bit coin is that it’s ethereal. When the grid goes down how will you access your funds to pay for a loaf of bread or anything else for that matter. What are you gonna do? Write a IOU? Go into after crash debt? If you’re poorish like most Amerikans buy silver junk coins. There’s still plenty around especially with the value kept so low. The poor mans gold will forever be worth something more than a promisary note backed by air. Wait that sounds just like FRN’s.

              • Junk silver coins are sometimes more expensive per ounce than brand new silver ounce coins.


                due diligence and a calculator required

                71.5 ounces per 100 dollar face value bag on average

              • Why the hell was this downvoted? What the guy is saying is 100% true! I am a computer expert and I can tell you one would have to be an absolute fool to “invest” in Bitcoin. It is useful for purchasing items, especially on the black market….and that’s it. Bitcoin is NOT AN INVESTMENT. The minute the internet goes down–and it WILL–your Bitcoins won’t be worth a damn thing. Do what the man says and buy “junk” silver, NOT Bitcoins.

            • Just got into bitcoins, waiting for the synk with the server to get me up and running, will buy more this week,
              thinking it’s a better thing than the dollar.

              The winners of this chess game. as soon as the economy collapses and the EBT stops, our civil war begins, “WE THE PEOPLE” with the most firepower, “WILL PREVAIL” kings and kingdoms shall all pass away”

              SST U.S.M.C. 1965-1971

              • Catena.. My old man was in the Marines around the same time. In Vietnam 68-69. If you were there WELCOME HOME and THANK YOU

          • The ptb are loaded up and loading more gold all the time on the cheap. When the market blows up they will be left holding the bag (of gold). They arent stupid and sure as hell arent commiting suicide. The people will be the ones eating sheet not them. But I will be on top of it all after I buy all the worlds gold for myself with my 500 trillion dollar stash! 🙂

            • Oh and 1 more thing, if you buy canadian silver maples you can always use them to make colloidial silver with! They are the purest coins in the world.. 99.99

        • How about a 6.5X55 Swede? I really like the looks of those old military rifles. Grab one off of gunbroker or look for good ones with matching numbers @ you LGC. I read they are really good shooters and the price of them are going nowhere but U P ^^^^

          • .02-

            Hope you got the shorter ‘bent-bolt’ version if you intend to mount optics.

            That said, they are ‘TACK DRIVERS’ irregardless.


            The trigger-pull of many is quite lengthy, but sells drop in Timney(mfgr) replacements, for crisp/no creep function, reasonably.


            If you reload, the 2 best powders for accuracy that I’ve found are Varget & Reloader-19.
            Varget for the lighter bullets & Reloader for 140gr and up.


            I have a feeling you’re gonna take a ‘shine’ to the Swede!!!!

            • I dont plan on mounts and am biding on the 1942 bent bolt model. I am very attuned to open sights as I killed many deer and elk with an old 7×57 Mauser that my brother bought for 50 dollars way back when. He took it back from me years ago, but after all these years of shooting weatherby, remington, savage, etc I still miss that dang mauser action. They are just, hell I don’t know, addicting? Am going to buy an original from the swede husky manufacturer and keep it untouched.. except for the lightly oiled action and stock..

              • Mine is a (’43 Gustav mfgrd) cavalry model & I wouldn’t trade her for anything!

                By the way, if you can find some available..Sellier & Bellot 139gr FMJ (listed as 140gr) is some accurate stuff, for standard factory ball ammo, at least that’s been my experience.
                The 124gr ain’t bad either!

                Kudos to you .02!

          • Best Mauser made, in my opinion.

            Still around $300 now and then, but grab one at $400 if all matching, stock tags, etc.

            They have a two-stage trigger pull, just learn to take it up right, good to go.

        • I Don’t have much to invest in precious Metals, but I’m saving copper and a few other metals. All metal precious or not will be worth something, even fiat coins like quarters will be worth more then a paper dollar. Imo copper is the next best thing to sliver, its used more and has a wider use. Its been right along with sliver and gold as money for thousands of years. Lets not forget that china has been buying copper mines in the US(If they havn’t already got them all) copper will be worth a lot shtf imo. Also lets say a silver dime or something is worth $10 shtf and a loaf of bread $ would you get your money back? Besides cutting silver in half This is where copper will come in handy imo, 10, 1oz coppers could be worth that 1/10th of silver(as an example only, no clue what anything will be worth). Lead, brass, bronze, zinc, nickel, titanium, Stainless steel and many others will be worth a lot too. I’m keeping every thing except aluminum and scrap iron I can’t use for anything. I’m sure they will be worth something, but imo not much as the other metals.

          What I’ve been wondering is how much silver/gold would you need to be considered rich or well off? I no its hard to tell cause we have no clue what will happen. Maybe looking at histoy could give us an idea?

          • I’d like to add, what I lack in precious metals I’ve stocked lots of extra tradeing items in the hope that I can attained more of these metals and just hold on to them til the time is right….In the beginning I’m sure poeple will be like “10 chickens for some worthless gold hell yeah!” If these metals never become worth much then I still have the items I can use or trade!

          • PrepSheperd

            grab nickels ,there worth about 7cents in metal value at this time ,they will always have value they are 75% copper and 25% nickel and the two most used metals for alloying ,thats why at the peak of WW2 in 1943 the pennies were steel and the nickels were silver ,and it isnt like your taking your houshold money and buying an investment ,if you have to use it to pay bills no big deal just pay it in nickels ,but at least if it all went ugly you would still have somthing tangible ,and on the other side you could always ues it as barter ,trade some to the local knife maker for a blade or a repair on somthing

            • Nickels are a waste. A nickel is worth 4.4 cents based on prices at coinflation dot com. A 1964 dime is worth about $1.42. A nickel weighs 5 grams. One pound of nickels is worth $4 but a pound of silver dimes is worth $258. $1000 worth of nickels would weigh 250 pounds but a $1000 worth of silver dimes would weigh less than 4 lbs. And $1000 worth of 1/10 of an ounce gold coins would weigh less than an ounce.

              • BC you are correct but I’d like to add: I think some regular change is a good idea. Two reasons: 1. If they print new money and devalue the old; they often just allow the old change to continue to be used at the new value. It costs to much and takes to long to remake it. Also the gain to the average guy is a few bucks while the gov makes billions. 2. If things really get bad, even silver may be a bit to valuable for small things, regular change might be a good idea.

              • “Nickels are a waste. A nickel is worth 4.4 cents based on prices at coinflation dot com.”

                You’re not thinking it through.

                Who CARES what the current fiat “value” is?

                Nickels contain 75% copper.

                In a war time or post-SHTF situation how much will copper be worth?

                • im guessing niether barncat or shifless read prepsheps comment ,yea ,your right silvers worth a hell of alot more than nickel ,point was he didnt have any money to invest ,ie. silver dimes ,do you think there going to just give him a dime for 10 cents ,no shit ,thats why i suggested nickels its better to have a roll of nickels laying around as apposed to two useless green backs ,who gives a shit that there worth 4.4 cents ,your thinking in the terms of economic value ,when there is no economy the nickel ie. nickel/copper are the two highly used metals in our society as alloying ,to answer yuor question as to what copper will be worth in war time ,are you shitting me ,why do you think we had steel pennies in 1943 ,when they were processing the atomic material for the first atomic bomb ,all the electric windings in the centrafuges were silver because of the scarcity of copper ,same goes for nickel ,bonus he doesent have to pay anything for the nickel ,he can buy $100 worth of nickels for $100 worth of paper ,and as i said trade it to the knife maker down the road ,you cant alloy a blade with silver ,gold ,or green backs

                  • And as history shows sooner or later they will start making nickels out something cheaper then the older nickels will be worth more. Just like what they did with gold and silver coinage also with the penny.

                • shifless

                  i apolagize , after reading your post agian i realized i misunderstood your comment ,that it was in fact defending copper

            • I’m already keeping 1981 and older pennies since their worth 2cents in mental. Thinking about putting all in half dollars 91.67% copper 8.33% Nickel I can still buy stuff (easy compared to small change) but they will be worth something even if the paper isn’t.

          • It is said that thru out history the Gold amount to be considered wealthy is 400 Oz.

            • Yikes~ I’ve seen people claim if you have 1000 oz of silver or 60-100 oz of gold in a depresson it would be rougly equal to having a million. Think their is any truth to this? I know in these days and times its not worth as much, but If someone give me a Mil right now I could live off it my entire life… or damn near it long as I don’t live past the avg (this is assuming their was no SHFT).

        • Give a big salute to Federal Judge Richard Leon. He ruled that NSA data collecting is unconstitutional. It may not go anywhere but atleast it’s a start. Trekker Out. Si vis pacem, para bellum!

          • MT, he’s just pissin’ in the wind. Everyone knows is illegal. At least he has put a face on the right side. However, it’ll keep on happening without impunity.

        • “Hard assets … that are no longer made in the US.”

          heh. that covers quite a bit ….

      2. The longterm outlook of both gold and silver is up!

        • The problem with gold and silver is you cant shoot an elk with it.

          • 02
            If it melts you can make a bullet out of it. But I would save them for Vampires and Were Wolves. (Ha-Ha)

            • 02
              Crap I wanted to give you a Thumbs up I hit the spot.

              • there we are even lol

            • Good morning. Sgt. Dale. I think 00 buck would be more effective for vampires and werewolves. MOLON LABE braveheart

          • listen pilgrim! gold and silver is only for a STORE of wealth…not for those that don’t ALREADY have a BUNCH of STUFF….that’s what I’M buying. STUFF that yer gonna need when the SHTF. food, guns, ammo, water, protective gear, good warm clothes, medical supplies, shelter…all the things people will need when the world goes to HELL. NO PM’S until you got the basics, K?….GET IT! GOT IT? GOODY!

            • 2 things remain true throughout history….you’ll never see a quiet woman get choked….and you’ll never see a man with gold starve

          • You can use it to buy guns and ammo.

            The problem with lead is that it won’t keep you warm and you can’t drink it.

            • But it could keep you alive.

        • And the long term outlook for EBT, Welfare, Section 8 Housing,TANf, WIC, AFDC, SSI disability checks is DOWN!
          A good lesson for those who are career welfare moochers, you can ride a free horse to death!

            • Crime is going through the rook in the closest large metropolis, especially thieving. People are getting really desperate. Oh, and the Salvation Army is saying their take is dismal as well. Food banks are running dry and shelters are overflowing along with the jail. The prison industrial complex is going to have huge numbers so go bullish. What a mess but yet the sheeple continue to line up for the shearing. People are on this site saying that nothing is coming, we heard all about the doom and gloom before etc, I don’t know where they live but here the shit is now lodged in the fan and people are starving, murders are rampant, divorce is off the scale, thieves break into your car if you leave it for 5 minutes, plus the cops wont even come out to do a report if you are broken into unless you are on commercial property giving the thieves a green light. Lucky I share a drive way with my neighbors, but still lock this place down only if leaving for a few minutes and I live in a very small town. We have had people begging for food here on 2 occasions this year and that has never happened to us ever before. As far as I am concerned, the shit has hit the fan and now it is just a matter of degrees and I see things getting REALLY ugly in the near future.It is way fucked up already.

              • roof not rook.. but i bet you knew this.. akkk

      3. Eh,have some gold and silver in hand,short term will help in times of inflation and survive long enuff good in times of rebuild.That said,rather my tools/skills/food and med supplies ect. along with bartable items if situation for barter exists,oh,and of course my protective friends in cases along with food for em!

      4. A merry christmast 1st.. Ho Ho Ho

        • U r right money! They will wait until after Christmas to collapse the market. I got some silver dollars the other day for around 20 per!

          • I picked up some Lee Dies for around $30.Oh yeah and went to a moving sale and scored a Weaver V16 4×16 Variable for $125.. Now that was a deal. Grabbed a brick of small rifle primers for 30 bux along with a BUNCH of Speer 52 grain hp in an ammo can for $38. I thi9nk there is around 800 or so of them. Was a great moving sale. Now I have to find a rifle to put that scope on. Oh Darn it anyway!

          • Shooter,Good Morning
            Just a WARNING to all buying 90% silver dollars. The Chinese are stamping them out of steel and they look very good. So if buying what looks like old silver dollars, take a magnet with you and check them… I know a guy who bought a hundred of what he thought was silver dollars. He’s not a happy camper. Have a great day and Merry Christmas to all on here!!!

            • I guess the Chinese are paying us back for the titanium filled gold bars the tribe members sold them awhile back. They should know better than to deal with these people from our wonderful banking system. We so solly!

              • Actually, I think it was tungsten, as the material density/mass are a lot a lot closer than gold vs. titanium.

                • yup you’re right hunter, my mistake

            • dont forget the ‘ring’ test. silver makes a very distinctive sound when dropped on a counter. Fake Ikes, walkers, and franklins have all been found here in New England

              • I bought a cheap gold and silver testing kit on amazon for around $15 it also came with a cheap pocket scale. Could come in handy post shtf since I’m sure people will be making fakes.

      5. Ok…I’ve been watching/studying/referencing this precious metal mantra now for years..

        Given the nature of the money you really believe in this “digital age” that any precious metal(obviously well controlled and manipulated)will have any value in a shtf scenario..or currency collapse?
        First of all, where will you send your gold or silver to your respective lender for mortgage,utility, or car payment?

        Second in a worse case scenario..will your local grocer or gas station accept pms in lieu of currency?

        I just don’t see it..

        If these pms have any value as they did in the past..we are now in the digital age..just how will this play out?

        Just asking questions..

        Please enlighten folks..


        • or to add fuel to the fire..

          what if?

          sdr’s are instigated as law(special drawing rights)

          pms are outlawed or continued to be devalued as unacceptable trades of exchange?

          anything is possible nowadays given the current global situations..

          although we cling to the past history of pms/s the new age is upon us…and these bastards think of everything..


          • Possee… couldnt agree more.. But it is about time for another word from our sponsor…buy gold… sell it when the economy collapses to……..??????

            • Tis merely a inflation hedge,you covered in other areas sure beats having cash in bank/markets that can be electronically vaped,who cares if govt. outlaws precious metals,then worth more then ever!

            • Dudes.

              Possee, gone under, others.

              Don’t look at precious metals as a sole investment nor a primary investment, but as an investment. For example, after you happily pay all of your taxes and bills, your leftover investments may look as such. Lets say after taxes and bills and food, and other stuff, you have $400 left over each month. Thus,

              Preps investing.
              ….food storages ($100)
              ….defense stuff ($50)
              ….solar items ($30)
              ….cash for hiding ($50)
              ….seeds/garden stuff ($50)
              ….silver ($60)
              ….others ($60)

              You see, it is a part of prepping but not the whole part. Currencies collapse to nothing; but precious metals never collapse to nothing. Precious metals can always be used, and have been throughout the ages.

              When you buy and hold PMs you have no intentions of selling during a currency collapse, because you cannot sell. What you are doing is ‘hedging’ that when things settle down, your PMs will still have value even with a new currency system in place.

              Remember PMs are not just silver and gold, but are also aluminum, copper, brass, platinum, lead, etc.

              I buy some not because the Govt will accept it or the landlord, but many people may such as farmers. For a bushel of wheat I am sure a farmer will want a PM over worthless paper currency during a collapse….

              • I guess everyone has a opinion on whether gold will have a value. I tend to lean toward the Idea that I can barter my skills for currency. I also believe the currency will be electronic SDR’s. I believe there will be a ONE world currency because the bible states this. What will I Need gold for? To pay taxes? No, It will not be accepted at the IRS. For food? no. for ammo? no. for gas? no. If you think you need it, buy it. I think I need a alcohol still, some borax, more welding rod, and a few more oxy acetelyne bottles, if I live through Agenda 21.

                • Ezekiel 7:19

                  King James Bible
                  They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.

                  • I love it when people pull that out of context.

                    Those who purchase pm’s understand how history and earth work. PM’s come from in the earth that God created.

                    They are stored so that man can save the fruit of his labor for another day whether it be tomorrow or for his children’s future in an honest way.

                    People that store pm’s also store/save other essentials as well.

                    God gave each of us freedom to do as we wish with the hopes that we would use it for good things.

                    Just my .02 worth.

                  • The Church won’t be here in the Day of God’s wrath. God would not pour out his wrath on his children.

              • Sorry, but I disagree. There is no point is seeds if you have no food to get past the winter and spring. There is no point in survival food for the bad times if your car needs parts to get to work tomorrow, etc.
                First you must get your bills and cash in hand so you have enough to live on until the SHTF. That’s at least $2,000 more likely more.
                Second; food ,and a water source or stockpile enough to get you past winter. You will eat your seeds before you plant them if you don’t have food. So forget the seed until you have food.
                Forget the solar items until the food is taken care of, No point in having good light to see yourself starve. Next a damn good set of boots,, socks, and a jacket, for colder than you have ever been. (Up to now if you got cold you just went inside to a warm house.)
                After all this is done; then think of defease. IF you starve or froze because you didn’t have the stuff, nobody is going to steal anything, because you don’t have anything to steal.
                I could go on for pages, but just think. A deck of cards to keep you from being bored is OK and cheap, a good knife, fine, but no point in an expensive grain mill until you have grain.

                • I agree with your thinking, but I would suggest that defense should come in once you have food and water. You may need to fight to keep them since they are that basic and that valuable.

                  • my thinking is that in times we live in if you dont already have defensive ability’s ,then your already behind the curve ,ive been married for about 37 years and raised a family ,and have alway had the means to protect them ,people breaking in your house and killing your family isnt nothing new its been going on for at least 200 years ,so if anyone is just now getting around to it they are behind the curve

            • picked up some gold last night ,gold tip .22 CCI stinger bullits ,but hey down here in SWFL there like gold ,3 box limit ,i got 3 the wife got 3 ,the old hatian guy was kool he said walk around for about three minutes and come back ,went back and got 6 more boxes

              • hellova find.. .22 here is like finding unicorns

                • im with ya ,your not going to find any unicorns down here ,any that were around have been eaten by the pythons here in the glades

          • Posse: Gold has a history of demand through at least 9,000 years. Humans have always coveted gold. It has served as a useful store of value and medium of exchange for a very, very long time. While its purchasing power may vary over time, from civilization to civilization, its universal appeal is constant.

            Gold is a way to preserve a portion of your wealth; your family wealth, THROUGH the Changes, to the extent that you can afford to preserve some wealth. It is not a useful instrument DURING the Changes. It should be buried but not forgotten. Silver, maybe copper, lead or other metals, coffee, tea, spices, sugar, salt, and other extras items, may be useful for barter if not consumed.

            Never sell or trade ammo, folks. But you ay want to lend it to the guy who has your back. 🙂

          • When they blow this fucker up, all bets are off.

            Those on the dole and the rest of the collectivist fucks will be screaming at the top of their lungs for big brother to come to their rescue.

            I got news for them…ain’t nobody coming to help them.

            Anyone with any kind of self-preservation instincts will not be giving a fuck about the bankers and govt. Most of us here have lived without all of this tech bs and will get along without it and worthless paper frn’s.

            I’ve played this bs game for way to long…I’m tired of living the lie of the “American dream” for the bankers, corps, politicians and govts enrichment.

            I’m in it now for OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS ENRICHMENT!!!

            “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

          • From what I’ve read the PTB’s are putting vast sums of money into silver and gold. China and Russia are buying billions of tons of it.

            • haha, hundreds of tons…

          • “pms are outlawed or continued to be devalued as unacceptable trades of exchange?”

            Well, possee, I wasn’t planning on letting the govt make my decisions for me in shtf. They can make all the declarations they want to, they can “decide” gold isn’t worth anything, but it won’t make much difference to many of us. We’re going to barter and trade anyway.

            …now the trendies and zombies, they might buy into the crap, but anyone with a brain won’t be fooled. Do you really think the rest of the world is going to abandon their PMs just because the central bank decides it’s valueless? (while holding tonnes of it themselves).

            Nobody (sane) believes the lies NOW—what makes you think it will be more believable after shtf?

            • Oh, and I don’t go out and buy something, just because some jackass with a website says so…I make my own decisions, every time.

        • If the power goes out the digital days are on hold.

          • If the power stays out for more that 7 days, Mad Max is 10 days behind it.

        • Possee,
          I personal like PM’s due to their historical strength and credibility. Consider how many thousands of fiat currencies have existed and collapsed in recorded history. During these times of woe gold increased, or at least retained it’s value (this is the true difference between currency and ‘money’). I’m willing to bank that it will be the same this time around as well.

          You bring up an important point of what if it will not be recognized / accepted in a SHTF event. I feel that any type of currency could be at risk from that – but- look at what the rest of the world is doing – hoarding gold. Pretty good indicator that PM’s will be strong in the event of a crash.

          Just my two cents.

        • Been thinking along those exact lines myself.

          The only way all trade can be controlled, truly controlled is if everything is electronic. “And he caused all, small and great……” everyone here should know the rest.

        • It will collapse BECAUSE OF the digital age. Just as people will someday wake up and see that the dollar is fake, they’ll also see that digital money is fake.

          You’ll be able to trade your silver for food, gas or fake money (cash) to pay your mortgage.

        • Depends on your community. I can get whatever I want in my neck of the woods with pm’s…I can barter for anything as well. I can also receive more than Ag spot in all cases. A lot of folks want pm’s but only have something to trade for them.

          You may have a community that has absolutely no idea of what I mentioned above.

          Negotiation with any kind of tangibles has been around for thousands of years…learn how to negotiate with whatever you have.

        • You can sell your gold and silver for fiat currency and use that to pay your bills. Silver and gold will have value as industrial metals even if they aren’t accepted as money.

      6. I hope so. I’m starting to feel like a pump and dump victim although I never intended to use silver as an investment. I bought junk silver when silver was @ $23 an ounce. The manipulation is frustrating. I should buy more but all my other preps aren’t complete yet. Pretty close though. I guess I’m just pissed because A-holes are controlling things from behind the scenes and we just cant walk up and bitch slap them…..yet

        • Go to USAwatchdog, Greg Hunter’s site and view his interview with Greg Mannarino that was posted today.

          When it blows, people will be running to the most undervalued of assets.

          Silver is currently the most undervalued of assets.

        • bastard says

          hey brother i hear ya i bought @$35 an ounce ,,and when it started going down i had a family member panic and i bought 50 more ounces from them when it was @$30 ,but i dont care what the price is ,its put away out of mind ,to be used for in a different world ,when that day comes i dont know what it will be worth ,but you can bet your ass it will be more than zero ,and thats what the dollar will be worth ,the way i look at it is ,my house is paid for ive been getting prepared since the first of 2011 ,all my preps are caught up ,good shape on my deffences ,so what the hell id rather have the silver laying around then some green paper ,i might take a bunch of silver and use it as antibiotics ,you may not be able to barter it as silver ,but id be willing to bet they’d be beating a path to your door for some antibiotics ,same with my land i never bought any of it to speculate on ,ill run cows on it ,or farm it ,and give it to my grandkids when im gone ,thats the whole problem with this country everything has to have a monatary value ,thats what got everyone in trouble ,gambling with the equity in there home (sorry i meant to say house)no one has a home anymore ,that you live out your life and raise a family in ,now there just investments (houses)

          • I think houses are seen as only an investment, because everyone knows they can be taken from you by the govt. You can’t dream of anything long-term, when the threat of having your rug pulled out from under you, because of some unpaid taxes or unrepaired code violations.

            We all know the property isn’t really ours…why plan as if it is?

      7. Keep in mind that the pm trade is the most hated trade in the world. It takes a special person with an absolute love for volatility and risk to embrace the nuances that gold/silver provide.

        Moreover, no tbtf bank or institution wants to see significantly higher prices in the long run; however, do not forget that pms were the basis for all banking globally for the last 6000 years of recorded history. There is a reason that the Egyptians, Phoenicians, the Turks, Romans, Aztecs, Mayans, British , French and the US, until 1973, used gold as the primary basis of monetary policy. After seashells, sugar, tulips, horses, grains, paper, and recently digital currency, all of these cultures eventually discovered that precious metals were the ONLY viable means.

        Within the next 2-5 years, I believe that the yuan will be the first gold-backed currency of this century cementing the death of the US dollar.

        Everyone should act accordingly. Physical bullion, 24 karat jewelry and global miners, like Freeport McMoran, BHP Billiton, Vale etc. will be good equity exposures.

        Gold should go to $6500 and silver to around $500 per ounce within that time frame. Do not forget about rhodium and palladium as these metals are the LEAST likely to be seized by a hostile federal government.

        Good luck and stay frosty. Things will get a lot worse before they get better, but freedom, liberty and a renaissance of the ideals of the founding fathers will endure and prevail.

        • I think the Swiss Franc still is? If I ever get the money I want to invest a little in the franc and yuan. Never know what they could be worth in the future and seeing how they own a lot of us dept and assests they may be useful. Never hear anyone talk about the other metals. I can see Platinum being used, but I never heard of rhodium and Palladium till I got interested in silver and gold. I don’t see them being as valuable as what they are now since their not as well known (in the disant future deftinly), but I could be wrong still I’d love to have some. Their are some even rarer metals which I’ve been looking into, if I could get some they would be saved for when I’m old…if I make it that far. That is where rhodium would be a good ivestment imo.

        • Funny, everyone talks about gold and silver going up $xx dollars when in all actuality that $xx dollars will buy what? It may cost $500 in todays dollars for a subway sandwich. One ounce of silver for a subway sandwich. Inflation will kill value. Stacking pms is to store value compared not having anything but worthless paper. I stack silver because I want to be able to barter with a farmer for use of his tractor, a bushel of wheat or a gallon of gasoline.

          “A days wages for a loaf of bread…..” At that point we may be making $100,000 per day of worthless paper.

          The fix, or over correction of the market manipulation, Ponzi scheme will be to control everything with the “chip” or implant so that “no man may buy or sell…….”

          The digital age is going to be used to control us. If we do not play by their rules we will be outcast and eventually murdered. Stacking gold and silver buys us time and stores some value but eventually will be outlawed in the digital age and therefore harder to barter with.

          • “Inflation will kill value.”

            You have just simply summed up the creation of the fucking fed and the fucking frn.

            There is no value in both…only debt, death and slavery.

            Nice work 416.

            “don’t go down without one helluva fight’

        • Palladium may be the key to replacing oil as the next major source of energy…Quantum theory.

          Lots of info on the web…as far as energy goes, I don’t care how much of it you use…as long as you pay for it with money that you earned in an honest way.

          A system has always been in place for those that are productive and aware of how the planet works.

      8. You folks can do what you want. For me I’m going to buy some more silver on Wed. I have been buying silver for years I got some when it was under $9.00 an oz. to $30.00 an oz. I know its around $20.00 an oz. right now.
        I’m going to still get some more later if the Good Lord is willing.
        Other PM I’m getting is lead from gas stations. Just an idea!
        I would rather have it and not need it and need it and not have it. I still believe we are going to a an economic collapsed. Paper money will be used as T.P.
        Aim Small Miss Small.

        • Sgt I like the way you think, I’m going to the gunshow sat. to buy silver and .22 rg revolvers with one box of shells to go with it.

        • Amen Sgt

          im trying to diversify ,PM are part of that ,there seems to be two schools of thought on PM’s those that use it as investment and then there’s me ,i cant weigh in on the investment side because i know nothing about it ,all my money i ever made was from hard ass bone and gristle work ,i only bought silver because i thought that at some point it could be used as a tool to help my family to live better or longer ,i do agree with those that say food is the most important, but once thats done ,dont keep the remainder of your money in dollars ,you’d be better to invest in widgets

          • You are absolutely on the right track 40…like you, I know nothing about the markets…hard ass bone and gristle work is where I excel.

            I feel (probably like you)that it is my best chance to pass something of real value in the future to my family.
            Based on what is going on economically, I feel that Pm’s will be worth far more in the future than they are currently. Look what it takes to get them.

            I also feel that my wife and I have worked hard enough to at least, not have to work as hard in our later years and possibly semi-retire. Pm’s are our only way out in our minds.

            I believe in honest money, not this print and benefit a few shit. I don’t believe in handouts to anyone from the backs of real working folks for whatever reason.

            If the dollar goes down, what do you want to be holding in your hand?

            We have made our decision.

            • Amen lastman

              i dont want to carry anyone on my back ,ive been doing it since i was 15 y.o. let the darwinian effect take its course ,i used to have more feeling but now im just bone tired ,if there’s a 20 y.o. crack head out there starving ,let him go back to the dust ,or let his family carry him around ,im just done and dont give a shit anymore ,let them go live with the president or the congress ,after all he’s a product of there years of entitlment mentality ,let the purge begain ,i got no more blood to give

              • I suffer from moocher fatigue myself.

              • Yep,
                Done with ’em.

      9. Prepper Dudes.

        Put on thinking cap.

        On a paper bill, you can print $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, $100 with the same paper and ink. You can create it. It is called fiat currency. Why not just print some $10,000 on same paper and handout billions to everyone?

        The reason for the name precious metals is that you cannot create it. An ounce is an ounce.

        Invest in some as you feel comfortable. Silver is getting harder to find, especially at the local pawn shops.

        Good luck….

        • Ugly,

          >>” Why not just print some $10,000 on same paper and handout billions to everyone?”<<

          Remember back in 2011 when the idea was being floated by some in the Federal Reserve of creating a one trillion dollar platinum coin to address the debt crisis?

          I suspect the vampires in charge of money printing are way ahead of you amigo! When push comes to shove we may very well see $10,000, $50,000, or $100,000 currency notes being issued to the public. It's well within the realm of possibility.

          • YH.

            You kind of answered your own question. The reason the $trillion platinum coin fell was because it would have valued platinum way above gold or anything else. We would have all bought platinum coins and expected $100,000 an ounce for it because of the trillion dollar coin.

            Also, who would value their currency for that $1 trillion phony coin?

            You see, it is easier to print fiat money, sell them as phony bonds, and then let the system collapse and make ‘We The People’ permanent slaves to that debt.

            • It is fraudulent debt, so tough stuff.

      10. Gold and silver are for insurance. Yes, there are people who will trade food, medicine, ammo, and services for gold. Your dentist isn’t taking patients because the money is worthless. You are in pain and need a root canal. 1 Canadian Maple leaf for immediate treatment. Glad you had the coin? The TSA has shut down roads that cross state lines. You can’t get to your bugout place. A couple of Krugerrands slipped into the hand of the half wit and you’re on your way. Your kid gets seriously ill. The emergency room is filled with illegals. Take the triage nurse on the side and put silver dollar or two in her pocket, your kid lives.

        • Exactly.

        • The TSA has shut down roads that cross state lines. You can’t get to your bugout place.

          Emm, isn’t this where the lead and copper stock pile comes into play?

          • If you’re in your vehicle with your kids, do you want a firefight? Always try to avoid the shootout if possible. Then try to go a different way. Then, if all else fails, whip it out.

          • Yep!

          • I don’t think I want to be on the road during those times. If you are on foot and have a handheld GPS you can simply by pass the road block then get back on the road after you safely away from it.

            • As the NSA tracks your device…good plan.

      11. One only has to look at what countries like China, India, and Russia are doing with gold. They are buying massive quantities of gold bullion. China is running around the world buying up gold mines and mining companies as fast as they can. The fact is they are printing currency at a rate that puts the Federal Reserve to shame, and is the reason why China can spend all this new found fake paper “wealth” to buy up record levels of hard assets around the world including here in the U.S.

      12. Hi all
        Kinda makes me think about an article i read ’bout a year back. Said something to the effect that gold funds were leveraged. Some of them as much as 10X. So for every dollar invested they had only 10 cents of physical gold. What’s gonna happen to those funds when the eco goes south? I would think that physical gold is the only good way to be sure you have some degree of protection… jus’ my two cents.

        • Always take delivery of the gold, never get into one of those buy it and store it with the dealer things. One, they may not even have any gold, and two, when it hits, they’ll just take yours from you, if they ever had it.

        • If you’re invested in paper gold, unless you’re george soros, and maybe even if you are, when it all goes south, gold you will have not.

      13. Hate to say it, but high speed lead, copper and steel will win over Gold, Silver or Platinum any day. People keep thinking that trade will resume and we will all just start over after TSHTF like nothing ever happened. Um, no.

        They say the ‘Golden Rule’ is “those who have the gold, make the rules”. Yes and those with the superior firepower and manpower overturn those ‘rules’. A rule only stands if people are willing to abide by it. Once they are not, you and your ‘rule’ are toast. Has happened all throughout history and will most likely continue.

        This was comically illustrated by the Hulk, in the recent Avengers movie. Loki threw a diva fit and informed the Hulk that ‘he and the others were all below him’ and that he was a ‘God’. The Hulk paused for about 1 second and then proceeded to smash and mop the floor with Lokis pathetic little body. Hrmmmuph! Puny God!

        Gold and Silver can be easily taken away if you don’t have a Hulk in your corner. If it comes to seizure of your assets, you can give them your high speed lead, copper and hardened steel (I prefer tungsten) first!

        • Socrates, wasn’t the theme behind The Hulk… was that one needs a balance?
          And, if that balance was out of whack, you had problems such as The Hulk and Dr. Banner had?

          You say “that trade will resume”.
          … As If, trade would Ever stop.

          Trade on planet Mars, er’ excuse me, on planet earth, will only stop when the second to last man standing, is down. Look at history to see this, not Marvel creations.

          Anyway, I really, really liked this comment of yours:

          “A rule only stands if people are willing to abide by it. Once they are not, you and your ‘rule’ are toast. Has happened all throughout history and will most likely continue.”

          Until then: high speed lead, copper and steel, winning over Gold, Silver or Platinum is like the Paper, Rock, Scissors game.
          Right now, fiat covers all.

          Nothing stays the same forever.

          • Good point to a degree-

            Fiat is only ‘good’ for a little while longer. It was never really good for anyone but those Lokis whos lying words convinced others in the first place. The ‘Hulks’ of the world are realizing that they have been lied to on an enormous scale and are about to pulverize the so-called ‘Gods’ of this world.

            Gold and silver have only remained ‘precious’ metals while some form of civilization has existed. According to my history, we have huge gaps in our records of ‘civilizations’. Some sprung up out of nowhere while others also vanished. By existing that means farmers, blacksmiths, herders and all the other basics of survival. Without any ‘civilized’ societal structure, gold and silver are shiny trinkets. The next round of mankinds history will sink to the lowest days of the cave dwellers once more. One may never see the return on investment of precious metals in their lifetime. Silver is an exception as it has many qualities of gold, plus it kills over 650 known virii. Gold cannot do that.

            The ‘Hulks’ of the world will not care what ‘you’ think of yourself or your shiny metal. The Rock, Paper, scissors game does not apply to a ‘Hulk’ in either sense as they will just mop the floor with you as soon as you put your hand out. The ‘Hulks’ of this world are not imaginary, they are the ones who are very physically fit, mentally agile and extremely adaptable…all coupled with a serious anger management issue. In other words, they will not suffer fools and will just kill them outright. The tables are about to turn on the lying Loki types. As you said- Nothing stays the same forever. 😉

            • no way to know WHO’S gonna survive our “hell on earth” no matter how prepared you are, all someone’s gotta do is pick you off from 300 yards away as you step out your door, and all that preppin’ was for naught. lot’s of hulks and thors and peons will die….but i aint gonna lose any more sleep over it. i’m prepared as i’m gonna get. check’s BEEN on the table with the waiter tapping his foot nervously for quite a while now….but now it’s MY turn to tap MY foot nervously.

            • I like your silver comments regarding medicine.

              This what I obtained. Natural Path Silver Wings Dietary Mineral Supplement, Colloidal Silver, 500 PPM, 4 fl. oz. / 120 ml.

              The 500 per is the important part.


              And now for my Christmas gift for you good folks.

              A treasure Trove Survival Library including how to make colloidal silver.


        • Socrates, that was one of my most favorite scenes in that movie. That’s how we should treat the banksters on day…like the puny gods that they think they are.

          • You are correct. According to this list 1318 mega-corporations rule the world…for now.

            Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world
            Updated 12:15 24 October 2011 by Andy Coghlan and Debora MacKenzie
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            AS PROTESTS against financial power sweep the world this week, science may have confirmed the protesters’ worst fears. An analysis of the relationships between 43,000 transnational corporations has identified a relatively small group of companies, mainly banks, with disproportionate power over the global economy.

            The study’s assumptions have attracted some criticism, but complex systems analysts contacted by New Scientist say it is a unique effort to untangle control in the global economy. Pushing the analysis further, they say, could help to identify ways of making global capitalism more stable.

            The idea that a few bankers control a large chunk of the global economy might not seem like news to New York’s Occupy Wall Street movement and protesters elsewhere (see photo). But the study, by a trio of complex systems theorists at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, is the first to go beyond ideology to empirically identify such a network of power. It combines the mathematics long used to model natural systems with comprehensive corporate data to map ownership among the world’s transnational corporations (TNCs).

            “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” says James Glattfelder. “Our analysis is reality-based.”

            Previous studies have found that a few TNCs own large chunks of the world’s economy, but they included only a limited number of companies and omitted indirect ownerships, so could not say how this affected the global economy – whether it made it more or less stable, for instance.

            The Zurich team can. From Orbis 2007, a database listing 37 million companies and investors worldwide, they pulled out all 43,060 TNCs and the share ownerships linking them. Then they constructed a model of which companies controlled others through shareholding networks, coupled with each company’s operating revenues, to map the structure of economic power.

            The work, to be published in PLoS One, revealed a core of 1318 companies with interlocking ownerships (see image). Each of the 1318 had ties to two or more other companies, and on average they were connected to 20. What’s more, although they represented 20 per cent of global operating revenues, the 1318 appeared to collectively own through their shares the majority of the world’s large blue chip and manufacturing firms – the “real” economy – representing a further 60 per cent of global revenues.

            When the team further untangled the web of ownership, it found much of it tracked back to a “super-entity” of 147 even more tightly knit companies – all of their ownership was held by other members of the super-entity – that controlled 40 per cent of the total wealth in the network. “In effect, less than 1 per cent of the companies were able to control 40 per cent of the entire network,” says Glattfelder. Most were financial institutions. The top 20 included Barclays Bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co, and The Goldman Sachs Group.

            John Driffill of the University of London, a macroeconomics expert, says the value of the analysis is not just to see if a small number of people controls the global economy, but rather its insights into economic stability.

            Concentration of power is not good or bad in itself, says the Zurich team, but the core’s tight interconnections could be. As the world learned in 2008, such networks are unstable. “If one [company] suffers distress,” says Glattfelder, “this propagates.”

            “It’s disconcerting to see how connected things really are,” agrees George Sugihara of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, California, a complex systems expert who has advised Deutsche Bank.

            Yaneer Bar-Yam, head of the New England Complex Systems Institute (NECSI), warns that the analysis assumes ownership equates to control, which is not always true. Most company shares are held by fund managers who may or may not control what the companies they part-own actually do. The impact of this on the system’s behavior, he says, requires more analysis.

            Crucially, by identifying the architecture of global economic power, the analysis could help make it more stable. By finding the vulnerable aspects of the system, economists can suggest measures to prevent future collapses spreading through the entire economy. Glattfelder says we may need global anti-trust rules, which now exist only at national level, to limit over-connection among TNCs. Sugihara says the analysis suggests one possible solution: firms should be taxed for excess interconnectivity to discourage this risk.

            One thing won’t chime with some of the protesters’ claims: the super-entity is unlikely to be the intentional result of a conspiracy to rule the world. “Such structures are common in nature,” says Sugihara.

            Newcomers to any network connect preferentially to highly connected members. TNCs buy shares in each other for business reasons, not for world domination. If connectedness clusters, so does wealth, says Dan Braha of NECSI: in similar models, money flows towards the most highly connected members. The Zurich study, says Sugihara, “is strong evidence that simple rules governing TNCs give rise spontaneously to highly connected groups”. Or as Braha puts it: “The Occupy Wall Street claim that 1 per cent of people have most of the wealth reflects a logical phase of the self-organizing economy.”

            So, the super-entity may not result from conspiracy. The real question, says the Zurich team, is whether it can exert concerted political power. Driffill feels 147 is too many to sustain collusion. Braha suspects they will compete in the market but act together on common interests. Resisting changes to the network structure may be one such common interest.

            When this article was first posted, the comment in the final sentence of the paragraph beginning “Crucially, by identifying the architecture of global economic power…” was misattributed.

            The top 50 of the 147 super-connected companies

            1. Barclays plc
            2. Capital Group Companies Inc
            3. FMR Corporation
            4. AXA
            5. State Street Corporation
            6. JP Morgan Chase & Co
            7. Legal & General Group plc
            8. Vanguard Group Inc
            9. UBS AG
            10. Merrill Lynch & Co Inc
            11. Wellington Management Co LLP
            12. Deutsche Bank AG
            13. Franklin Resources Inc
            14. Credit Suisse Group
            15. Walton Enterprises LLC
            16. Bank of New York Mellon Corp
            17. Natixis
            18. Goldman Sachs Group Inc
            19. T Rowe Price Group Inc
            20. Legg Mason Inc
            21. Morgan Stanley
            22. Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc
            23. Northern Trust Corporation
            24. Société Générale
            25. Bank of America Corporation
            26. Lloyds TSB Group plc
            27. Invesco plc
            28. Allianz SE 29. TIAA
            30. Old Mutual Public Limited Company
            31. Aviva plc
            32. Schroders plc
            33. Dodge & Cox
            34. Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc*
            35. Sun Life Financial Inc
            36. Standard Life plc
            37. CNCE
            38. Nomura Holdings Inc
            39. The Depository Trust Company
            40. Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance
            41. ING Groep NV
            42. Brandes Investment Partners LP
            43. Unicredito Italiano SPA
            44. Deposit Insurance Corporation of Japan
            45. Vereniging Aegon
            46. BNP Paribas
            47. Affiliated Managers Group Inc
            48. Resona Holdings Inc
            49. Capital Group International Inc
            50. China Petrochemical Group Company

            * Lehman still existed in the 2007 dataset used

      14. Dear possee,

        Have you seen the videos online of the grocery store merchants in our unitedstate who accept silver and gold as payment?
        The ones I saw were a few years old (it would be good to see an update on that) I imagine they are still doing that, and will do that, once SHTF.

        Why wouldn’t they?
        Wouldn’t you?

        I really liked lastmanstanding’s comment.

        I don’t know about where you are, but it’s easy to imagine the guys at the gas station in my town accepting gold or silver as payment.

        The utility company, maybe?

        The mortgage bankers?… Hell yeah they would… The bastards.
        They’d probably ask if you wanted their first born, too!

        To answer your question, “Given the nature of the money you really believe in this “digital age” that any precious metal(obviously well controlled and manipulated)will have any value in a shtf scenario..or currency collapse?”

        I would say, There’s nothing new under the Sun.

        A.k.a. is, The War on Some Drugs, working?

        Are you familiar with what many of the vietnamese locals did when the unitedstate pulled out of south vietnam in the 70’s?
        That certainly was a SHTF scenario – with uber state control being imposed – wasn’t it?
        Many of the locals traded what they had for paper thin sheets of gold and headed to the hills.
        The people in that area have a long history of using those sheets of gold in trade, quite the same as many people in the unitedstate who have a longstanding history of trading coins for goods. Those paper thin sheets of gold had immediate value to those who had them.

        Then there’s the observations FerFal made about Argentina during their currency turmoil. What was it he said?… It was common to hear people say they wished they’d bought gold before the devaluation? Ah, something like that. …Lots to learn from them.

        I wonder if Manos would agree with that along about now?

        Anyway, today is the 240th anniversary of The Boston Tea Party. I thought this observation was cool:

        …”the Boston Tea Party was a protest against the use of trade by the state to benefit some at the expense of others.

        Our agenda today ought to be exactly that of the Sons of Liberty in Boston: the right to economic enterprise should be unimpeded by taxes or special privileges. This is all that true free traders, in the tradition of the American revolutionaries, have ever demanded.”

        • manos…haven’t seen that name in a while….where’s he?….anyone?

      15. Absolutely precious metals will be used as not only assets, but also money should we dive deeper into financial woes or worse. I realize not everyone has the money to purchase metals, but for those who do get buying. Even during the Great Depression people of wealth still had money and more gold and silver were exchanged per population than at any time in our history.

      16. Who can afford to buy and own gold anyway? Certainly not 75 percent of the population. If you are able to afford gold, then you are most likely living a comfortable lifestyle financially.

        • You can also covert some or all of a 401k or IRA into PM’s. That’s another option besides holding physical. You just don’t have the same kind of access, etc.

          • But I thought the point was having physical possession? If it’s just paper, that’s all it is, isn’t it?

            • Very true, but if you have a bar of Gold that has no practical use; then all you have is a malleable metal to soft for work applications that doesn’t corrode and I don’t need…no potato for you. Unless you wanna work something out behind the barn.

              • Gold and Silver hoarding is for the hope that there will be an eventual recovery of a fake monetary system. Not for the times in between insanity phases. Money is a system of control and to get a product you need in a SHTF scenario you are going to have to give up something useful to get it…or die trying other methods. I promise to never kill a person for stealing though; I’ll let the infection from the knee capping take care of that for me.

        • When you drive a 1995 car you have money for other things. Too many people have no money because they spend too much on vehicles and phones.

        • aljamo…an oz of gold once bought a hotel in Germany.

          If it did that once in a collapse situation, it could do it again. Silver is way undervalued and imo, comes from the same place as gold…except that it is a different color. What have you got to loose at this point?

          I am not going to assume anything about your income. I will say that anyone who is not buying an oz of silver every week is missing the boat. This opportunity has been available for a long time now.

          Everyone cannot see the forest for the trees since all of this fucked up money printing and inflation has began.

          Currency will once again have REAL value…better get something real and have faith in it.

      17. Don’t waste your time with gold. The precious metal will only be worth the economy that deems it’s value, and when our economy becomes absolutely worthless, so will your gold.

        Oh, and don’t think you can come knocking on my door to barter for my food storage with gold…I will laugh at you and show you all the brass I have collected…

        • If you aren’t a reloader I would attempt a trade of goods for the leftover brass…I can smelt that into other things. These people defending gold and silver remind me of the commercial with that guy wearing a kitten shirt. “But I bought it off skymall.”

      18. For those that cant afford gold or silver but would like to invest in something.. Here is an investment that won’t let you down. Pennies. Pre 1982. They are 95% copper and worth over 2cents as we speak if you could melt them down. They will never lose their value as a penny and will appreciate in value with the price of copper. Compare to a modern day Morgan dollar investment. I re commend looking at to get more info about melt values of coins.

        • Who in their right mind would take old pennies in barter? Or take the time to confirm that yes they are pre-1982 pennies?

          • perhaps someone who could melt them down and make something else more useful out of the metal. The same thing with nickel silver and aluminum.

            I saw above where someone said they were discarding aluminum. What they don’t realize is that aluminum is an easy metal to work with. You’ll have a much easier time making something you need out of aluminum than say, steel or titanium. Lead, silver, gold, copper and aluminum all have lower melting points.

            …ever tried to boil water in a plastic container, without a microwave?

            • I would take aluminum over most metals in exchange for the stores I have. Iron for tools would be next but a nice soft metal like aluminum or copper is easy to work and create other metals and alloys.

            • Aluminum is a bit more commom then other metals its in everything. I just don’t see it being as valuable, I don’t discourage anyone from keeping or stocking it though, just for me I’m selling it and buying silver. I’ll still have a bunch of Aluminum and iron left over cause I use the Aluminum for animal roofing and other projects…so I’ll still have some stockpiled. As for the iron, I’m keeping what I can use for the Blacksmith workshop I’m building and sracp what I can’t use.

          • Being a blacksmith I can make Bronze from pre 82′ pennies with the addition of some tin or other metals…good for making handles, hilts or knobs.

      19. I got a question…how are going to buy a potato from me with a piece metal I don’t give a shit about?

        • You can expect a group of people who produce different things to trade in silver as a form of payment. I’d pay the workers on my farm in food and silver. I’d buy apples using silver. I’d buy a horse using silver.

          So yes, if you had extra potatoes it would be smart to sell them for gold or silver.

          • So once I receive silver for some items as you pass through and no one in my area can use silver or is buying or selling with it all I am is out items I could have eventually used. People who fled the civil war didn’t survive because they had silver and gold ( maybe some did) but most had to use real items to trade and move on. I would be a special kind of idiot to trade a horse I can plow a field with for a cube of metal I have no use for.

        • How are you going to buy/get/barter a chicken from someone who has a bunch of potatoes?

          Everyone needs to know wtf is going on in their community right now. People are different and value different stuff. You all are into tangible items yet you make absurd comments about the most tangible of items.

          You and the “Dude” above need to get out of that tunnel that your living in.

          Negotiation for anything on this earth has NO boundaries.

          • exactly…you just made my point, I may not have a use for gold or silver and my area may not use it for currency but I might need ammo or other things you have.

            • In no way, shape, or form will any of my ammo be bartered. Ever. It only leaves thru the barrel of one of my firearms.

              In fact, I stated the other day here that my plan is NOT to barter…I will have everything that I am suppose to when the shit comes down.

              God willing, when the dust settles, I’ll be one dealing sob.

          • Lastman, you got that right. That farmer over the border in Idaho, that’s got his cold storage full of potatoes and a pile out there on the ground that’s going to rot anyway, will be glad to trade you a bag of potatoes for a silver quarter. Just because Pedaso only has 3 bushels of potatoes in his cellar and won’t trade for a hunk of medal don’t mean someone else won’t. As the old saying goes, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. That will still hold true even after the Schumer Hits The Fan. Trekker Out. Semper Paratus!

            • Since you brought up Schumer- he’s really making the case for using his name in this manner by calling for Vet’s pensions to be cut over cutting congress’ pay.

            • Amen…I pray that there is more vile end for Schucky than exiting the fan.

        • Back in the 1800’s, the indians had no use for gold, they wanted guns, blankets and firewater.

          • gone under, that still ain’t changed, they would trade gold for firewater anyday. Trekker Out.

      20. Since Canadian one ounce silver seems to be more pure than the American version, that is what I am buying (a few at a time) for making colloidal silver. There may very well come a time when antibiotics and antibacterials are no longer effective or available. “Be Informed” has me pretty spooked on this possibility. It could be that my silver will be worth a whole lot more than what I am paying for it now.

        • BI is correct on the antibiotics being ineffective.

        • any .999 fine silver will work for cs. i use bars.

      21. To All..

        Thank you for your insight(s)…

        Again, I was not indicting pms at all..just throwing out some what ifs…

        ..Invested in canned,jarred,packaged,& long term storage items gardens for the growing seasons,along with personal insurance items to protect these assets..

        I only wish I had the extra to invest in pms.. have had a wage freeze and hours cut over the last few every penny is now towards basic living and no extras..

        Glad I invested when the money was flowing..



      22. Personally, the most important thing a person can do is get out of dept. If your house is paid off, your car, etc etc then a drop in the dollar wont hurt so much.
        If you could afford solar panels or wind turbines for your house then you are in great shape. It might sound stupid to alot of people, but buying an all electric car is not a bad idea if you have your own source of power. The cost of oil for transportation will no longer be a major concern for the majority of your driving such as to work and back. You can always have a good fuel effeicent car for longer trips.
        Instead of spending that 25$ on a silver dollar, a fruit tree would be a much better investment. Personally, I don’t think silver,gold,platinum, etc has good nutritional value although have a silver round or two for colladial silver would be a good idea.
        Buying things such as good hand tools, a quality chainsaw such as a stihl with extra chains and parts, a good wood stove, extra gas and oil for saw,quality fire-arms with ample ammunition, several months to a few years of food,etc etc to me would be a more important priority than investing in gold or silver.
        I understand why you want to have it don’t get me wrong but the more self-sufficient you are the less you need becuase eventually you will run out or it will be taken from you. For the long run, Silver, Platinum,Palladium, and Rhodium are better investments due to their industrial uses compared to gold ,and they are all under valued in relation to gold so better upside potential.

      23. People who don’t own gold claim to do so because “you can’t eat gold”. For those people, I say this: “when you try to eat Federal Reserve Notes, it is going to taste like a $hit sandwich”.

        • You seem to be under a delusion that one form of un-useable currency can be exchanged for another. No un-useable currency will work. If I don’t need what you have you are going to be out of luck, unless I need a field worked or a sexual encounter.

          • I said it up a few comments too. The hoarding of precious metals is for the hope of an eventual monetary system recovery…people might wise up to the fake money system and then what do you have; some pretty rocks. Being a blacksmith I would take a bag of coal for food over metals that can’t be used practically.

        • …and will most-likely cause serious constipation or intestinal upset.

          hell…it’s doing that now…

          • I hate to even think about what happens to those little magnetic strips…

      24. Diversify= don’t have your all eggs in one basket. A lot of good comments written above. As mentioned: Skills, small barter items (toiletries, tobacco, booze, condiments, etc.) Enough food and water for 6 months to a year. Precious metals, guns and ammo. Everyone one here knows the drill. Stay safe, live and love. The music is set to change.

        • /I used to think 6 months to a year but no more. This will be a mother of a collapse and it will last a long time. Go for 5 years and prep hard for a slow turnaround.

          • Yep–yep–yep, Cal…I agree with you whole-heartedly!!
            I cringe every time I read a blog suggesting 6 months food and water supply.

            • Kid: mommy, I’m hungry.
              Mommy: I know honey, but you screamed every time I mentioned cancelling the cable that was $140 a month.

              • Kid: Honey? We have honey? Mommy, make us some pancakes!
                Mommy; No we dont have any more honey. You remember that show Dancing with the stars? You loved that one.

          • Or for “a time, times and a half a time.” Some count that as 3 years, others as 7. 5 would be a nice average.

        • question, how in the hell do you store enough water for a year? I live in a small town.. very small.. like 400 people small, with a huge water tower that provides us. there is a small river/stream that also runs through but upstream is open grazing and mega field run off from industrial farming so that is bascially out. I have a close bol a few miles away with clean water running from spring on some one else abandoned farm, another backup bol in the mountains with some of the best tasting water ever running out of a pipe in a bank along side a road in a huge state park. Here I have a couple 50 gallon containers and tons of other things that hold water I will put in the basement and fill when the power goes out but then if it stays out, I will either have to abandon the house, or start packing the water from the river uphill a mile to my house. This water thing has me in a pickle, but I know I can fill a lot of stuff for the basement when the time comes but even 6 months of storage would take a warehouse.I suppose if the power stays off for a month I would be a fool to stick around in town n e way.

          • As I understand it, you don’t store that much water; you prep to make the water in your area, off your roof from a well, etc. safe and storable for the short term. Also you find ways to recapture and reuse gray water.


        The real threat…the UN and the bankers.

        Stay armed and make sure you have arms bought for your grandchildren.
        They will need them.

      26. You better watch out, You better not Skype, You better log out, Yeah you better not type, The NSA is coming to town.

      27. “Crush the Very People Who are Behind the Devastation”

        We will be very lucky if TPTB after the dust settles don’t have even more power.

      28. Everything will taste like a $hit sandwich when the dive comes.

      29. The COMEX has been suppressing the price of gold by selling gold. They’re almost out of gold. They may not be able to deliver on their December gold contracts.

        We’re on the verge of a stock market crash. When that happens money will flood into commodities.

        Jim Willie claims that the Chinese have already agreed in principle on the terms of a gold-backed yuan: gold at $5,000 and silver at $400.

        I’m almost fully prepped. I’m putting as much money as I can into metals.

        • OK barn cat…….let’s just say the dollar does collapse and becomes worthless and we go back to a system of barter …….how can you say that gold is valued at $1200/oz. When the dollar is worthless ???? Think about it ……..the value will be on a case by case basis based upon your needs and the other persons desire or need to take your gold for their hard asset ( food , ammo , etc.) Or whatever it is you are trying to buy with your gold and I doubt many will give up life sustaining items for gold or silver …….survival will be the order of the day NOT wealth

          • You’ll be able to say that gold is worth $1200/oz because an ounce of gold will still be able to buy what used to cost $1200.
            It’s not an investment, it’s wealth preservation.

            • We are talking a complete breakdown of society ……WHO will care about wealth preservation while your trying to survive day to day

      30. True Kevin,why I will if survive it all save a few goodies for em,sooner or later they all come out of their holes!

      31. When the SHTF to the point that it’s awful everywhere out there, I don’t want to have a huge stockpile of gold or of trade fodder either. I want to keep my head down and keep to myself, getting as far away from everybody else as I possibly can. I don’t want to paint a target on myself.

      32. “they (large financial institutions) will be the ones who get crushed in the end”

        We could only hope. Along with those who run them. The “mob” bosses.

      33. We have metals for the long haul. No point in trying a cash in when cash is worthless. Plan the future foods w/ gardens and the food storage you have.

        Made a big decision over the weekend and were not going to sell and try to move. Were building a small cabin in case a kid has to move back home. Nothing fancy just a sleep in spot so we dont need plumbing or electric. Just a shed because wed go broke trying to build a live in cabin to govt code that we dont believe in. So were planning a shed w/ windows and they dont need to know anythig about it.

        • Yeah…I built a “shop” with a loft. It has my forge, wood tools, a small fridge for my home brew and a cot if I don’t feel like walking all the way back to the house. Took me $1200 and 4 months to build alone and it would literally take nothing to convert to a living space for one of my family members. Still waiting for an uncle I have in Detroit to let me know when he is coming…lol.

        • many don’t even realize how many of our relatives will be moving in with us when the SHTF, but it will be a BIG number for lots of us… many have bought food for 2 for a year, and will find out they got food for 20 for 3 weeks(and WE might not be one of the ones eating it? better to think about it NOW, rather than when it happens.

      34. I have bought a pile of Eagles and junk silver over the years. When things collapse back to pre-Industrial Age, they will be only worth, at the most, face value.

        Who’s gonna determine the value?

        Me…”This dime is worth 5 dollars.”

        Potato Man…”Sheeeit, that thar ain’t nuthin but an old dime. Now git off my property afore ya get fed to the hogs.”

        The true Master Resource or commodity is not gold or silver…it is OIL.

        Better invest them PMs in a Mom and Pop stripper well if you wish to stay ahead of the game. Oil is worth more than any PM just for it’s BTUs.

      35. tangential question: is there any recommended “peak” tracking site? E.g. peak salmon, peak oil, peak clean water, peak farm productivity? (standing by my modern mound builder assessment and think these “peaks” define it)

      36. The powers that be are buyng gold personally if they’re destroying their businesses.

        It reminds of the movie Goodfellas where the mob guy becomes a partner in a restaurant and steals everything from it. Then he torches it for the insurance money. That’s what the banksters are doing.

      37. The entire western side of the Pacific including Asia, Europe, and Africa has not had one moderate earthquake in the past 24 hours. Only Fiji has had a 4.7. Everything from the International Date Line west to around to the South Sandwich Islands is completely quiet. Talk about gearing up. Normally you see a quake in the Japan area or down in Indonesia or somewhere, nothing. I was surprised to see this morning on the earthquake map. Before large earthquakes the land masses often sort of freeze up of anything 4.5 or over. Watch this closely, especially the northeast portion of the Australian plate, for at least a 7, possibly much larger.

        • Fiji just had another one, a 5.4 583.8k deep,larger than the previous.

          Your feedback would be much appreciated, Be Informed.


          • @ GV. Fiji is one of the spots in the world where there should not be earthquakes under 700 km, yet there are, one 735 km. 583 in depth is very common, as well 5.4 in size. I am watching very closely the northern Australian plate where Fiji intersect the Pacific plate. Precursor distant earthquakes are back generating energy from this point. Previous earthquakes in the same place in these distant plate boundaires have in the past lead to major earthquakes on the northern Australian plate too many times to dismiss. The Nazca plate along the western South American coast has me very concerned also. A couple of these precursors occurred before the 8.8 three years ago in Chile. You see a deep focus earthquake more than 700 km deep and it is above 6 pointer, look out something really intense is going on with the plates.

            • Thank, BI!

              Totally appreciate your analysis and time.


      38. perfect storm right here

        On Monday, Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) penned an editorial for the Santa Clarita Valley News calling for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to run for president. “Hillary Now More Than Ever,” Feinstein wrote. She recalled how in 2000, Clinton called Feinstein asking for advice, and how “honored” she was. Feinstein wrote how she met Hillary in 1992 and was “immediately impressed by her commitment to helping people and her grasp of complex policy issues,” going on to call her “one of the most talented and impressive woman I’ve ever known.”

        • I wonder what type of “talent” the ol lezbo lickenstien was talking about.

          • Didn’t Bill state that Hillary has eaten more pussy than he has?

        • Well, there ya go–reason 1143 why to NOT vote for the murdering winch evah!!

        • Here is an interesting article about one of our other FAVORITE SKAGGS….


          Investigative reporters should dig deep -really deep- into Nancy Pelosi’s role in the $280 M. FEDERALLY FUNDED Hunters Point Shipyard affair.

          Look past the fact that the 936 acres of which 443 acres are NOT POLLUTED and that Hunters Point Shipyard (HPSY) is the LARGEST TRACT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND IN SAN FRANCISCO.

          Roll Call stated that John Murtha in 2004 leaned on US Navy officials to sign a contract to transfer the HPSY to the city of San Francisco and Laurence Pelosi, nephew of HER MAJESTY MAJORITY LEADER, PELOSI, at that time was an executive of the company which owned the rights of the land.

          In her own words on March 31, 2004 Pelosi said “I’ve been working on this agreement for 10 years and we are near our goal. I want to thank SENATORS FEINSTEIN AND BOXER, MAYOR NEWSOM, FORMER MAYOR WILLIE BROWN AND CONGRESSMAN JACK MURTHA for their assistance in this last round of negotiations.”

          Truth is Pelosi’s involvement in the HPSY fiasco goes well beyond what shows on the surface. For Pelosi it’s a well trodden trail that goes all the way to the FORMER SOVIET LEADER, MIKHAIL GORBACHEV, the Presido’s most famous tenant.

          Pelosi was an investor in a real estate investment called Presido Partners set up shortly after the Nixon administrations first closure of federal military bases around the US.

          AMONG THE CHOICEST REAL ESTATE PROPERTIES OF THESE BASES were San Francisco Presido Ford, Treasure Island, and Yreba Bueva Island in San Francisco Bay, Hunters Point Naval Base, then the biggest US Naval Base between Seattle Wa., Long Beach and San Diego, Ca.

          Pelosi’s involvement in the disposal of federal military land is matched only by GORBACHEV, who as the founder of Green Cross International (GCI) devised a mechanism of converting American military bases over to civilian bases for use as “global centers for sustainability”.

          Green Cross International is a global non-profit in over 30 countries. Mission is to help ensure a just, sustainable and secure future for all by responding to combined challenges of security, poverty, and environmental degredation. In order to build a sustainable GLOBAL COMMUNITY, THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD MUST RENEW THEIR COMMITMEBNT TO THE UN. (ONE WORLD ORDER), MUST FULFILL THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER EXISTING AGREEMENTS AND SUPPORT EARTH CHARTER WITH AN INTERNATIONAL LEGALLY BINDING INSTRUMENT ON ENVIROMENT AND DEVELOPMENT (AGENDA 21?).

          Gorbachevs’ mission of converting American military bases to global center for sustainability came just 2 years after he resigned as President of the Soviet Union on December 25, 1991.

          CGI has incorporated the ideas of the Earth Summit held in Rio De Janerio and supports the implementation of AGENDA 21.

          Pelosi patiently shepherded AGENDA 21 through Congress. On March 29, 1993 she introduced HJRes166 to renew the call for the US to “assume a strong leadership role in implememting AGENDA 21 and other Earth Summit agreements”. Eventually she gathered 67 co-sponsors for her bill and as of 2006 32 of these co-sponsors were still in congress. (And we know what has happening with Agenda 21 as of 2013).

          In a speech entitled From Swords to Plowshares, delivered in the House 6/4/92 Pelosi cheered the arrival of the communist Gorbachov to the Presido as a tenant. The National Park Service is actively seeking for programs and tenants for this spectacular site. Last month former Soviet President M. Gorbachev visited the Presido to propose the Gorbachev Foundation be located there when the army leaves.

          As the cold war ends,” Pelosi said, “It is indeed fitting that the army garrison will be transformed to a monument to peace, environmental preservation and recreation as a global park”.

          Less than a year after Pelosi’s fawning words, Gorbachev and his AMERICAN PRE-FUNDED $3.5 MILLION GORBACHEV FOUNDATION moved into a new white, shingled bayfront house at the historic Presido overlooking the Golden Gate.

          Next, avowed communist Gorbachev, brought the State of the Art Forum to the Presido. Co-chairs of the forum include James Baker who served as Treasury Secretary under Reagan.

          The Gorbachev detractors point out that Gorbachev has never renounced communism. In 1989 Gorbachev told the Politburo “Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnot and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for OUTWARD consumption. There will not be significant change within the Soviet other than for cosmetic purposes. OUR AIRM IS TO DISARM THE AMERICANS AND LET THEM FALL ASLEEP”.

          Canadian environmental guru Zionist Maurice Strong and Gorbachev are architects of the Earth Charter which both boasts is a replacement for the 10 Commandments of Moses.
          (Look up the Earth Charter being foisted on us through UNESCO, the UN).

          As the song goes, Nancy Pelosi has come a long way baby. Her long climb to the top came courtesy of two ANTI-AMERICAN GLOBAL ZIONISTS.

          Is there anyone out there who does not now understand why politicians are spending millions to get to DC? They can turn their millions into BILLIONS. JUST ASK PELOSI HOW IT CAN BE ACHIEVED.

          • Granny…you’re simply AWESOME!

            • And, Hunter so are you!

            • Hunter…I put it this way since I can’t find another word for our POG.

              POG = AWESOME to the power of 1 million +

              • Agreed, bro’.

                ..and you’re pretty damn sharp yourself!

              • Tactical:

                You already know how I feel about you. Like you said “I would trust you with my life”. Blessings be on you and your loved ones…..

          • I hope they all live there and reap the FUKUFORNIA!

      39. I told ya, they are all dirty

        another perfect storm

        Combine this information, about corrupt U.S. Attorneys, with NDAA, then tell me why anyone would want to surrender to a Federal agency?

        I’ll never surrender to anyone. The massive and growing corruption has ended all constitutional protections. The choice becomes simple; gamble with your future in a corrupt system , or reach for a box of your selected ammo

      40. NRA needs to stop negotiating on something that is Inalienable

        But a handful of smaller, more strident gun groups — most notably the Gun Owners of America and the National Association for Gun Rights — have continually attacked the N.R.A. for giving any ground, for negotiating with the enemy and, worst of all, for helping to elect lukewarm allies. By way of defending the organization’s strategy, Keene says: “The difference between the N.R.A. and a lot of these other gun organizations is that it’s easy enough to stand and say, ‘You shouldn’t compromise on anything.’ Our job is to actually get things done.”

        • Wouldn’t put it past the Bloomberg types to try to slip one of their own – an out-right gun-grabber fifth columnist – on the NRA board…….who knows people there may already be one of them in place already

          • A sister of one of the Newtown dead was on Fox 12/15. She is currently a sponsored anti-gun celebrity on the circuit for Bloomberg. She said Biden and Obama BOTH told her privately that, to paraphrase, “…there were people who refused to change the slavery laws but eventually things changed.”
            Funny how the new analogy to freedom is slavery. Even more chilling is how slavery laws were changed

            heads UP people

            • @ VRF. Isn’t it irony that BO and others talk about slavery laws being changed, yet they are exactly the ones advocating taking away people’s freedoms to self defense. It is disgusting how they demonize someone’s protection. How many people are totally respeonsible with firearms and how many people save lives because they were and are armed is something that these creeps never pick up. Give the criminals the advantage, birds of a feather flock together and support each other.

              By the way something to think about WHEN SHTF and the looting begins. Most people will only be thinking about grabbing food and other needs from walmart, target, other department stores. IF anyone joins in when there is no law system and everything is for the taking, besides clothing, shoes, and other immediate needs that might be bypassed, it would be a good idea to line the pockets with some store jewelery. If there is no world left so to speak, gold and silver necklaces, earrings, charms, etc. that are 14 carat, 10, 20, whatever might have value someday. Never pass up an opportunity to get something of vlaue if the world becomes a scrounding around take and keep what you can get. While I would be concentrating on immediate survival items in such a scenario, especially socks, underwear, towels, blankets, and much more, getting some precious metals on top of this out of jewerly cases if there were still around would be on the mind.

              • Yep BI it sure is..

                we are viewed as their slaves, used as their slaves, and soon enough disarmed slaves, if they have anything to say about it.

                well if I have anything to say about it, it will come out of the business end of my .45

              • BI–I think about this a lot.
                I’m thinking this community here knows nothing the Walmart empire doesn’t already know.
                When this collapse–for whatever reason– happens, the plans will quickly be set in motion for armed guards at these stores.
                They will not rely on city and county police–they know they won’t be there.
                Hence, their own will be used at the stores and the warehouses world wide.

              • It is disgusting how they demonize someone’s protection. How many people are totally responsible with firearms and how many people save lives because they were and are armed is something that these creeps never pick up.

                Don’t you think for a minute they don’t know this. They want control and guns are in the way. It is not gun control at all, it is and always has been human control. They don’t give a shit about you, they don’t care about you, it is a big club and you and I are not in it. Mr Carlin had these cocksuckers pegged from the get go.

                • @ .02 You know what is so pathetic about this human control? IT eventually never works. People get sick and tired of being corralled like animals and treated like sub humans. Yet again and again history repeats itself. I think this one aspect is what might be the doom of the human species, that the masses don;t learn from past mistakes. It is only blind chance that will catch up with the idiot that continues to do the same dangerous and foolish courses of action, and send them to the bone yard. When will these anti-self defense lunatics learn that it won’t work to take away people’s most basic freedoms, the bad guys lose sooner or later.

        • While I am glad the nra offers a lot of good training programs/competitions and has helped fight nonsense legislation their idea of getting things done includes chipping away at the 2nd amendment,two good examples are the brady bill and control act of the 60’s.I will not fight nra efforts to stop bad legislation but do not expect me to support the selling out a piece at a time,GOA has it right in my opinion,no compromise.One reads the 2nd tis pretty straight forward.

      41. More B.S. !!!! This is coming and that is coming when in reality NOTHING is coming !!!!
        I’m really starting to have my doubts now as we end yet ANOTHER year !

        • Rich99, I feel the same way. Seems no sudden event is in the offing. I do see a continued breakdown of moral values…and continued collapse of the “working” class (transfer into some weird dependency class for most of them). What does it mean? Is there so much wealth its best to pay people to not work? All I know for sure is its Game Over for middle class America and the American Dream. Godfathers running our country are driving inflation at a rate which will cause a huge collapse (economic theory is we should be seeing a nice rebound now with all the money-debt creation… maybe early 2014 will be a good time to make money – but don’t waste it because the piper is around the corner).

        • Be patient grasshopper.. you will be in fear for your life and wealth in due time, don’t rush it…mmmK?

        • It’s not going to be a click boom moment…its happening now. Detroit about to fold, city managers taking over towns and closing them. If you are looking for an apocalypse you probably wont see it. It will be that one day you wont be able to afford the nice things anymore like meat.

          • Exactly ….so I’m not going to concern myself with this stuff anymore ….I will make sure I am prepared fir that winter storm etc. but as far as anything else I doubt it !!!
            I have been ready since I was 38 ….I’m 45 now …..pretty soon I won’t care AT ALL !!!!

          • That last example is coming up fast. Almost $4.00/ pound for ground beef, 85% lean and that’s still more affordable than a lot of other meat.

        • Rich- can’t you see the degradation that has taken place in the last year? A year ago I was hired for a PT job that was expected to go to full time and have benefits by June. Instead in May they got their projected Obamacare costs and started cutting people. That business has been all but scrapped now. It will probably cease to exist by next June. That’s been a slowly-rolling-out crisis for 18 families and their community. Multiply that by every other business that thought they were fine in 2012 and have had to make cuts through this whole calendar year. If you see no change in your life, count your blessings, thank God for them, and figure out how to bless others who aren’t as well off!

      42. I can be a navigator in 20 hours?

        Does the FAA/Merchant Marines know about this. I don’t have a GPS. That’s a lot of dead reckoning once you get to D.C.

        • Emm It is Atlanta,what do you expect? They’re looking for cannon fodder. They know whats coming.

        • I always wonder about that VRF.

          The ones that write the laws need years of higher education to understand them.

          Those that enforce these laws only need a GED. How can they possibly understand what they are told to enforce?

          Another “Just doin’ my job” excuse.

      43. Gold is the money of “Kings”. Silver is the money of “Gentleman. Barter is the money of “Peasants”. Debt is the money of “Slaves”. And paper is the money of “fools.”

      44. I don’t trust the entire financial markets including Gold and Silver since I know who controls it.

        My initial trust is on the following in order:

        1- God
        2-My family and trust worthy friends
        3- Small piece of jacketed metal that only weights 62 grain and comes in large quantities
        and top of it is painted green. As the last resort I use this to protect and to preserve
        my core believes.

        • 1 in 9 (or 8) twist shooting Nosler Ballistic Tips. AR platform is my guess.

          • I’ll take door #2:

            SS109 w/ embedded steel perpetrator (M855) “green tip” maybe?

            • Correct as always Hunter. M855 by Federal.

            • I have mentioned this before, but worth a repeat. Load those SS109 bullets with CAREFULLY prepared sabots, into a .30 cal case (.300 Win Mag is awesome) for an effective armor penetrator‎. The .223 cartridge lacks the necessary velocity. The key to armor penetration is velocity – 4000 fps or better (The M-1 tank fires it’s DU penetrators at over 5000 fps). If the Zombies come at you with armor, might as well be ready.

      45. .02.. Good guess. 1:9 is my preferred choice on Colt 6721.

      46. Gold is good as long as somebody will take it and is also in your hand and not the government’s. You won’t get rich off of it but you’ll stay steady with inflation. Its a hedge.

      47. Off Topic Question: Lets say that stored water last 6 months can that water then be boiled and safe to drink and cook with.

        • There will be some plastic-y taste to it. You can take your chances that it may be healthier than the alternatives. Better to store drinking water in glass. You can use canning methods to store water longer than 6 months.

        • If you still feel uncomfortable drinking it get yourself a Brita pitcher with the filter, not sure about the newer ones but the old ones could actually take the color and alcohol out of beer. One of those is good for about a year so make it a last resort type filter.

        • The water itself is 4 Billion years old. so 6 M or 10 years makes no dif. It’s what you store it in. If it’s clean, boiled, as long as it has a tight lid it’s good forever, If the container is good. Some plastics give an off flavor, some don’t, some metals rust, some don’t, The cheap plastic bottles water comes in tend to get brittle after about year. Good nalgene or nylon keeps for years. Glass, if the lids don’t rust or go bad will keep close to forever, That’s why the good plastic barrels are so expensive.

        • Check the advertisers on this site. Some sell 55 gallon BPA-free water containers with bleach treatment kits at a good price.

      48. As to the copper pennies.. There are penny machines already out there that will sort or verify that pennies are pre 1982. They will sort about 20000 pennies per hr. I personally invested in one. You cannot find an investment with less risk. Not if, but when they discontinue the use of the penny, you will be able to sell them to be melted. I’d guess an easy 300% return. Currently it’s over 200%.

      49. By the end of 2016, gold over $5000 per ounce and silver over $150 per ounce. If you can find it.

        Things will be bad, and you won’t actually trade your metals for dollars. You will trade your gold for food, guns, water, ammo, clothing, medicine.

        Become self-sufficient now, practice it, and, come 2016, you may be able to weather the storm.

      50. “at least some of us have taken the necessary steps to insulate ourselves from such a disaster by investing in hard assets like precious metals, food, productive land, and skills training for jobs that will actually be worth something when our currency no longer is.”

        I believe a far better investment rather then gold is going to be items that will help ensure your survival when the economy collapses. The major item that will benefit you the best is going to be a bunker. An underground bunker provides you with a safe place to hunker down when the civil unrest follows. It also allows a safe place to store your goods to keep them out of the hands of looters. A well stocked bunker that is well equipped can provide you a great place to remain off the grid and is very self sustainable. A great example of a bunker that is capable of going off the grid are these:

        I believe after you have your safe area, and are all stocked up on life essentials, then its a good idea to invest in gold or other bartering items.

      51. got some 5 gal pails of greens & other belly fillers…
        i will try to accumulate the equivelent of a years property taxes in PM as things go along
        because when the currency re-set takes place & everyone loses 30% of their living expenses… One must have some resource to keep the banker-led system away from your sanctuary doors

        i will try to keep the family from becoming victims…because we are already set up as the prey

      52. No big whoop. Once the price spikes production will be brought back online, re-balancing the price.

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