While Gun Permits Increase, Murder Rate Drops: “Refutes Argument That More Guns Lead to More Violence”

by | Jul 16, 2015 | Conspiracy Fact and Theory, Emergency Preparedness, Headline News | 159 comments


As gun ownership and the number of concealed carry permits have soared under President Obama, who has been dubbed history’s greatest gun salesman, new statistics show that the murder rate has dropped significantly during the same period.

While the well-funded gun control lobby has attempted to an image of increased violence among populations where guns are prevalent, reality has repeatedly demonstrated that guns prevent crimes, not only lowering the rate of homicides and violent crimes, but deterring general crime as well.

Perhaps the latest Crime Prevention Research Center numbers will end the debate once and for all, and curb the bunk arguments gun grabbers have used to fuel their disarmament campaign. According to the Washington Times:

Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.

The number of concealed carriers is likely even higher, since permits are not required in eight states.

Gun rights advocates say that the findings in the report fall in line with their personal experiences and research and directly refute the liberal argument that more guns lead to more violence.

“It puts the lie to the myth promulgated by anti-gun individuals that somehow more law-abiding citizens carrying guns will lead to more crime. In fact, quite the opposite is the case,” said Larry Keene, senior vice president and general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation. “More law-abiding citizens own firearms for self-protection, and crime continues to decline.”

It has not gone unnoticed that virtually even mass shooting in the headlines has occurred in a “gun free zone,” while cities like Chicago, dubbed the murder capital of the world, have some of the strictest gun laws in America.

The inverse correlation of violence and gun ownership across several statistical categories at the state and federal level have repeatedly supported the arguments of gun rights advocates, but don’t expect that to stop those bankrolling the pervasive efforts to disarm.

The likes of former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg are not interested in intellectual debates or factually supported statements; they are interested in using emotionally-driven sensation tragedies to persuade people into giving up their own rights.

Stay vigilant, and keep this knowledge in your well prepped arsenal.

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    1. Stolz Vorfahren

      We don’t need any stinking permit from a ZOG to defend ourselves from any and all satanic bastards.

      • Braveheart

        Stolz, I’m with you all the way. all the gun grabbers, whether tribe or not, can go f#$% themselves.

        • BigB

          If you like your gun you can keep it.


          • Braveheart

            BigB, I love my guns and will keep my guns, period.

            • Mike in VA

              GUNS & SPOONS!

              Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30. 06 right in the doorway. I left 6 cartridges beside it, then left it alone and went about my business.

              While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy
              across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of my house.

              After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there,
              right where I had left it. It hadn’t moved itself outside. It certainly
              hadn’t killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had presented to do so.

              In fact, it hadn’t even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my
              surprise, with all the hype by the Left and the Media about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people.

              Either the media is wrong or I’m in possession of the laziest gun in
              the world.

              The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World. But if you
              take out just 4 cities: Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the “bottom”, in the entire world, for murders.

              These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the U.S.
              ALL 4 of these cities are controlled by Democrats.

              It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data – right?

              Well, I’m off to check on my spoons. I hear they’re making people fat

        • apache54

          Stolz and brave,
          YUP, I am with you guys as well!! only gun control needed is how well you can hit your target!!

      • Commodester

        Yesterday a big blimp with a Star of David symbol on it flew over my pasture and began to spray some sort of vapor over my field. I don’t know what this was all about, but it doesn’t look good. After it finished spraying it took off in the direction of Israel. I’ll keep you all up to date on what happens to the field.

        • Tony Montana

          ✡ ✡ ✡ ✡ Raining Stars? ✡ ✡ ✡ ✡

          • Stolz Vorfahren

            LOL Tony. Hope is all acid rain.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Oh look its raining the Star of Bagles. F* the ZOG.

        • Mr. Homeland Security Jackbooted Rascal

          Yea…he dumped the septic on ya. 🙂 I wonder if Jewish fertilizer is better than others??

        • Warchild Dammit!

          Commode,why did you not shoot said blimp?!

        • Momma D

          I was buzzed by so called “pot choppers” , literally ten feet off of the little pasture we have. They finally quit when I filmed them with my stupid phone( I don’t have a smart phone), but they haven’t been back. I no longer leave without a camera. Just say in’.
          Stay safe.

      • Maximus

        This just in…

        Four marines killed in gun free zone.

        How sad. If they were allowed to have weapons, this would have never happened.


        • Hugh Janus

          We’re debating whether soldiers should have guns. Yea, THAT makes sense.

          I’m sure it’s not because the likes of clinton and bush don’t trust their own soldiers. Tyrants are NEVER offed by their own people, are they?

      • Calgagus

        We get our unalienable rights from God. Congress aint God.

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

      • JJsan

        Bahahahahaha, I needed some comedy today. Wow. A blimp with a Star of David spraying chemtrails then it heads out towards Israel….. Unless you live in Syria, you are funnier than Bill Burr…..

        On the serious side, I agree that people should not need a permit for a gun. I like AZ where every single person can open carry, no permit required. That’s the way the whole country should be. The gun grabber want everything, but won’t get them. Throughout history, tyrants have to disarm their victims before they can be total tyrants (although the current admin is doing a good job as it is).

        Keep your powder dry,

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        Looks like the “Shoot, Shovel and Shut-up Program” is working quite well. Ha.
        ~WWTI Ya can’t call it Murder, if you cant find the body.

      • Cerberus

        I’ve never felt the need to carry a gun since I left the army. Having fired one, more than once in anger, I don’t now like the thought of killing other people. Believe you me, knowing that you have ended another life isn’t something you can easily live with.

        Or maybe it’s because I live in a country that doesn’t have such a weird love of weaponry.

        Just a thought, more Americans are killed every couple of years by fellow Americans, using guns, than died in the whole of the Vietnamese war.

      • Cerberus

        I haven’t handled a weapon since leaving the armed forces. I haven’t felt the need to.

        Once you realise what it is like to take another life, even in self defence, any liking for guns soon evaporates.

        There is a heck of a lot of bravado spouted on this site, I just wonder how many of you have actually pulled the trigger?

    2. jim adair

      It is interesting to note that even places like Washington D.C. and Illinois have had their gun control laws curtailed making it easier for the law abiding to arm themselves. What hasn’t changed is the lawless gangs still are well armed and primarily just shoot up their own neighborhoods. I’ll bet that the suburbs that are now better protected is where the murder rate has dropped.

      • Illini Warrior

        Not just the State of Illinois but Chicago in a BIG way …. the new state CCW law specifically included the city and eliminated some of their individual BS crap …. the city council later finally put the final dagger in their gun registration program that was nothing but a royal joke ….

        About 25% of the state issued CCW permits have gone into Cook County – no separate stats for just the city …. almost no problems anywhere in the state with CCWs – just a few hundred permits pulled out of 10,000s issued …. the anti-gunners aren’t getting any muck to waddle into and aren’t happy – the CCW was just expanded a bit against their lobbying best ….

    3. Kfilly

      Of course, the elites (like Bloomberg) want the people to give up their rights. That makes it easier for them to play grand theft pension/401k, bank accounts, and take over property. An armed populace stops that game from happening on a grand scale.

      • Zero

        Gun permits are unconstitutional and gay. Who pays for, and begs to exercise a right you already have? A sheep. Grow some balls and carry anyway or take your place on the confiscation list.

        • Vet1

          ” Gun permits are unconstitutional and gay”…BAHHAHAHAHA!!!!

          If it doesn’t fit the agenda you’re not supposed to talk about it!!!

          You must be a good libertard!!!!!


          • Zero

            Still trapped in the delusion of left-right are you? Don’t you know we have no government anymore? Only traitors. You ain’t no fucking traitor, are you?

            • Vet1

              That was sarcasm my boy!!!!!

              • Zero

                I ain’t your boy.

        • Hard Justice

          Agreed 100% to everyone posting, privileges can be revoked, permits and licenses are also bullshit. Simple background check to see if there is any criminal and mental history should be the only concern.

          The unfortunate part is in anti-gun cities there are goon enforcers put in place to send you to jail with your own tax dollars or shoot you dead if you exercise those inalienable/unalienable Rights and carry.

          We’re not the one’s they serve and protect, we’re target practice for most of them. They have this Us vs. Them mentality.

          • Calgagus

            True Constitutionalists would disagree with the amendment that stripped the Second Amendment from criminals and most with some kind of person declared mental issue.

            The original Constitution, as it stood. Now that is the founding document to follow and support. All the rest are modern manipulations that whittle away the Founders intent and concrete law.

            Every person has the unalienable right to liberty and life. You dont get stripped of that right by a group of lawyers. If a gun will save your life or might save your life especially now that we are wrol, stick by Natural Rights and the original Constitution. Your life might depend on it.

            • Zero

              Calgagus you are exactly right

            • sixpack

              Agreed. It never made sense to me to strip someone of their gun rights over driving crimes and such non-violent crimes.

              • Hugh Janus

                During the clinton regime, that BS was expanded to include some misdemeanors.

            • apache54

              One reason for lots of crap in our country is that we the people allowed lawyers to start running our country and lots of these laws and amendments are from the lawyers ans i agree we need revert back and throw away most of the amendments and while we are at it throw away the politicians and start with some plain citizens with comon sense to run our government!

          • Warchild Dammit!

            Hard,disagree,either you go with 2nd as it stands,i.e. no restrictions or you push to change/abolish the 2nd,no room for hypocrisy in the bill of rights,none at all!

            • Braveheart

              Warchild, I agree up to a point. It does make sense to keep guns out of the hands of people who have committed the most serious crimes and people with mental issues, other than that, we all have the right to keep and bear arms.

              • Warchild Dammit!

                Then either get a constitutional change/repeal the 2nd but stop being a hypocrite!You seem willing to bend the bill of rights when it suits you then you are just as bad/the same as any progressive liberal,really that simple.

              • Hugh Janus

                BH, at what point have they served their sentence? the BOR saya nothing about “except for ex-cons”.

            • Hard Justice

              I never said I agree with restrictions, but would you really agree with people with mental illness or some criminal have access to firearms?

              • Warchild Dammit!

                Yes hard,would keep true violent criminals in jail and end so much wasteful govt. spending but try and have more help for the mentally ill.The bill of rights comes with a cost.I would try and create a country were more can work and succed by ending high taxes/too much regulation ect.,cut down on reasons for crime and of course,end all drug laws ect.Freedoms have a cost,we could have a total lockdown country and in theory would end some crime but not a place I would want to live

      • eppe

        Gun control is the ability to hit the target…

        • Angry Old White Guy

          Gun Control is using both hands.

        • Braveheart

          Eppe, that is the true definition of the term. BTW, I left you a post several threads back that my GA trip has been set back to mid-August. Maybe we can meet then.

          • eppe

            Brave, got ya…

      • Kevin2

        The reality is people who save and play by the rules do not resort to violence unless and until violence is thrust upon them. A street thug will murder for $5. A middle class person will just piss and moan if their $250,000 life savings disappears.

        “An armed populace stops that game from happening on a grand scale.”

        An armed civilian population does stop or at least derails genocide.

    4. citizen

      That’s the thing in states like this one AZ. No permit required. We don’t have to run away either. Our property when fenced and properly posted is an extension of our home. So who’s packing heat? you have to ask yourself, do
      you feel lucky? well punk do you?

      • Braveheart

        Citizen and Kfilly, spot on comments. Everyone has a God-given, natural right to self-defense against any and all evildoers. That is not negotiable. It’s irrelevant what anyone’s law says about it. do what you know is necessary to get out of a life-threatening situation alive. That woman in the picture holding a bad drawing of an AR15 crossed out should suffer a home invasion and let’s see what kind of song she sings afterward, IF she survives it.

        • Hard Justice

          “That woman in the picture holding a bad drawing of an AR15 crossed out should suffer a home invasion and let’s see what kind of song she sings afterward, IF she survives it.”

          Well said!

          That’s what I tell all the anti-gun, anti-freedom assholes I’m unfortunate to know through my g/f. I can’t stand those cowardly trendies.

          I tell them “We’ll see how well groveling on your knees providing lip service to the perps zipper is going to work out for you when they bust that nut and need no witnesses. Talk you way out of that head shot.

          Anti-gunners are not Liberals, they’re stupid collectivists, closet globalists who suffer from Stockholm syndrome…Pathetic!

          To everyone if you want to piss off an anti-gunner, go out and buy some more guns and ammo and then tell them about it, it will get their ass hairs in a knot. I love doing it when there’s get togethers. It pisses them right off. LOL

        • Calgagus

          Amen Braveheart.
          People across America need to know this so here it is again

          “Everyone has a God-given, natural right to self-defense against any and all evildoers. That is not negotiable. It’s irrelevant what anyone’s law says about it. do what you know is necessary to get out of a life-threatening situation alive. ”

          Mans law dont trump God’s law and your natural right to defend and protect yourself.

          • Zero

            It makes me laugh and also sad to hear people boast about getting their gun permit or ccw. They are so proud of their accomplishment of paying their masters for the privilege of being able to carry their weapon, after their masters approval of course. And their blind as a damn bat to it!

          • Braveheart

            Calgagus and Hard Justice, thanks for that. Gun show in Memphis July 25-26. I’ll stock up on more ammo and anything else that appeals to me.

            • Hard Justice

              Have fun at the gun show.

        • Hugh Janus

          BH, I agree with restricting AR-15s with crooked barrels. That thing would be dangerous to shoot.

          • Warchild Dammit!

            Hugh,no exceptions in bill of rights!Plus,tis a good way to weed out the dumb ones with firearms without em hurting others!

      • jonbearman

        I live in the people’s republic of new York, we can carry but if you get stopped for a simple traffic infraction you have to tell them you are carrying. Then the state boys go back to the car and call for back up because they think anyone who carrys is a criminal till proven innocent.This is a pain in the ass and dangerous as you see cops here shooting and asking questions later. But this wont deter me because I am an American and love my country the way it was. We are going to have to fight and the first thing we could do is demand the old mechanical voting machine’s come back and the electronic one’s can be scrapped. The new readers they use can be altered to read what they want it to read. George soros has heavy interest in the company that owns and operates the damn things. Now my vent is over.

    5. javelin

      Gun ownership by an armed citizenry is the only thing keeping these national socialist wannabees from instituting full fascism in America—
      Let’s see: forced vaccinations, full control of the seeds/food supply, a coming soon single payer socialist health care system (complete with rationing to old people and forced abortions), destruction of the middle class–and maybe the most disturbing, an agenda to reduce the population by 7/8ths. Yep, they are avid to disarm the masses so that they can finish their decades of efforts.

      • Vet1


    6. TPSnodgrass

      Pity that the Socialist/Marxist/Prog/Liberals NEVER protest the deaths, woundings and dare I say “Black Genocide” that appears to be wholly unchecked in Chicagoland.
      Wonder why that hypocrisy continues unabated? Black lives apparently do NOT matter in Chicago nor to Mayor Rahm Emmanuel. They “don’t fit the political narrative” now do they?
      Here I thought ALL lives mattered, alas I am not part of the Socialist/Marxist/Prog/Liberal Slave Plantation,thankfully.

      • Braveheart

        TPS, spot on. That goes for every black community in the US. Black-on-black crime doesn’t seem to matter to the civil rights groups. Black males commit 75% OF ALL HOMICIDES IN THE US AND MOST OF THEIR VICTIMS ARE OTHER BLACK PEOPLE. THAT’S FBI AND DOJ STATISTICS. I believe all of the lives of good people matter. I don’t care about the lives of turds. I’m not on the RED plantation, either.

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        Since 75% of the shootings are by Blacks, why not just ban Blacks. Imagine the savings across the Country in Cities who could cut their police force in half. ~ All in favor say eye?

    7. Sgt. Dale

      Gun Control by the State or Feds or local is B#$LS$%T!
      When you tell someone that the more the guns the less the crime they what to argue that You are making it up.

      I tell them I would rather have Constitutional carry any day. They will say you get into an argument over a parking space and shoot out starts. I tell them there is over 10,000,000 people plus police carrying every day. Name me one time with a fire fight over a parking place where just one of them are a CCW. I can tell you many stories where a CCW’s have stopped crimes.

      I tell them that if you want to be a sheep and the bad guy is the wolf so be it, but for me and mine we carry! I’d rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Your call!


      • Braveheart

        Howdy, Sarge, and Braveheart agrees wholeheartedly. The studies done by pro-gun organizations are full of FACTS AND GOOD INFORMATION, whereas the studies done by the anti-gun groups are all FABRICATED. We have truth on our side. Guns prevent an average of 2,000,00 crimes or more every year. Every time I’m at home and some turd tries to break in, I have prevented it with a gun every time. I won’t give up anything, period.

      • Warchild Dammit!

        Sarge,agree excepting your ccw part,nothing in bill of rights(RIGHTS that is!)says anything about licenses/age/record anything,no restrictions.

        • Anonymous

          I just used the term for those that don’t understand that it is a God Given Right.

        • Genius

          Thats right Dammit! I do what I want to do (as long as I have permission too) 🙂

          • Warchild Dammit!

            Genius,your back,there was a sale on bricks of fed .22 but you were not online/another poster saw cans of fed he wanted to bury,said would let you field that one!Where the hell were ya’s?!

            • Genius

              I wuz painting my place camo lol. Got a new alert system installed, setup my friends solar, got a new security camera, drank lots of beer, scouted new water sources for plan C, rewired my DC, replumbed my sink drain, got a new solar well to supply me with water, drank more beer, got some neighbors on the local radio system, told off the neighbors I hate, got my wife on the wildland fire dept., waited for you to show up and help me lol, and drank more beer 🙂

              • Warchild Dammit!

                Uh,I think I might have got lost!Seems you been a busy/drunk little beaver!

                • Genius

                  I live in a 3.2 state, you cannot get drunk on that shit lol.

                  • Warchild Dammit!

                    Home brewing and still come to mind!OH!Bees,/honey/mead!Just like me ancestors!

                  • Braveheart

                    Genius, glad to see you back.

                  • sixpack

                    Oh yeah, the 3.2 beer. Lived in Southern IA, used to go to this little tavern right across the Missourah border…well, you know.

      • Mike in VA


        Good day to you. I saw a picture on the web. There was a sign in the front yard of a house.

        ” My neighbor wants to ban all guns. There house is unarmed. Out of respect for there opinions I promise not to use my guns to protect them ”

        I guess that pretty much says it all!

        • Sgt. Dale

          Sure does!!!!

          • sixpack

            Where’s secret squirrel? I found a pic I wanted him to see

            ht tp://guff.com/20-animals-that-love-america/all-american-squirrel

    8. rellik

      I live in a very anti gun state.
      I am going to attempt do a Qui Tam
      prosecution for a violation of title
      18 USC section 242,
      if I can find an attorney to
      help me.
      The un-constitutional laws
      I ignore are going to go down.
      I will kill them. I have all the time
      in the world until I die.

      • Braveheart

        Rellik, if you can, get out of the antigun state. If you can’t, tell them to go f#$% themselves.

      • Kulafarmer

        Anti gun,
        But worth it bud,,
        Once you have em dont let em go!

    9. JRS

      There would be even LESS gun violence and murders if the .gov pigs had their “qualified immunity” rights stripped and they faced the same penalties for killing an unarmed person as the rest of us do…

      Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

      No victim, no crime…

      • D

        @ JRS.. and all lawsuits/settlements come out of the LE retirement plan. Then maybe the few good cops will put the hammer down on the bad ones…instead of looking the other way.

        • Genius

          Thats the best idea I’ve heard all day!

          • sixpack

            ditto to both

    10. The Prophet

      Nut job opens up on military personnel in Chattanooga. Shooter is dead.

      • Calgagus

        Name is now posted at Drudge.
        No shocker
        Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez

        • Braveheart

          Calgagus, I just read the Drudge article. I’m not surprised either. What do they expect when they let stinking Muslims into this country, especially after 9/11? They all need to go back to their sandboxes.

          • Nopittypartyhere

            And into a gun free zone, no less!

            • Braveheart

              NPPH, at least the Muslim got sent to allah, I mean, hell. Marine victims rest in peace.

        • sixpack

          I posted this comment on yahoo for that particular article

          “”This is a very, very terrible situation,” he told reporters. “I’m very concerned about what’s going on. We need to figure out how to handle it.””


          Stop combing through data looking for leverage to blackmail people in positions of authority. Perhaps if you focused on TERRORISTS, you might actually STOP ONE BEFORE THEY MURDER YET MORE INNOCENT AMERICANS!!!

          “His father had been investigated several years ago for “possible ties to a foreign terrorist organization” and added to the U.S. terrorist watch list, according to a report in the New York Times, but that probe did not surface information about Abdulazeez, the paper said.”

          YOU KNEW about his family predispositions, BUT YOU DID NOTHING. You had the information, yet you couldn’t get off my facebook page long enough to act on it. You were too busy illegally handing information over to the IRS, to prosecute people opposed to the obama regime. What a sorry bunch you are, NSA, CIA, FBI, DHS.

          WHY DID YOUR ‘PROBE’ NOT COME UP WITH ANY INFO? Or did it, but you were too busy to deal with it?


          Every one of you should be held legally and criminally responsible for each death that results from your stupidity. Your globalist masters will not save you from the people.

          You can’t work for the cabal AND do your job to protect the American people at the same time…you need to choose.


          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Spot on Six Pack!!

    11. Kevin2

      If one were to remove those below 21 years of age and those with felony records then roughly 6% of the population has a permit. If you remove those states that for practical purposes are “non issue” like NJ, Calif, Md its probably closer to 8%. These figures include women that certainly are less represented in the total. Six states have “Constitutional Carry” which ups the percentage greatly.

      • Kevin2

        When I cut my Eye Teeth 25 years ago as a Second Amendment advocate I would never have dreamt in those dark days that we would make such inroads.

        • Warchild Dammit!

          Kevin,plenty below the age of 18 and felons have guns,and looking at the bill of rights see no prohibition of either of those categories owning/possession of a firearm,enuff said for me!

          • anon333

            Jesus Christ, you are one flaming dumfuck there Warchild

            • Warchild Dammit!

              Hmmm….using the son of the lords name in vain,were are the christians on the site that would be angered!That,and you made “disparaging” remarks about a poster on the forum,a clear violation of tou here,Mac,please electronically eliminate this poster!I really am enjoying the word”disparaging”,have a good weekend all!

          • Kevin2

            I was just doing the math regarding the percentage of people that can get a carry permit relative to the numbers that do. As far as I can see Florida has the greatest percentage.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Yeah something like 1.4 million have carry permits in FL. With a permit there is no waiting period, period!!. Cash n carry baby!! Luv them FL Gunshows..surround totally by like minded people.

    12. Hard Justice

      Now that’s down right sensible.

      “Rep. Travis Couture-Lovelady, R-Palco, who carried the legislation on the House floor, said it would be hypocritical for lawmakers to prevent people from bringing guns into the Capitol, He noted that lawmakers are able enter the building without going through metal detectors or being searched by security.”

      “I hate the idea of us treating ourselves differently,” he said.

      Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article26648683.html#storylink=cpy


      I wish that they would have our Military (ARMED) at work, and even in there off duty hours.

      If that were so I bet you this Hannis Act in CHATTANOOGA TENN. WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPEN TODAY !!!!!.

      Way to go Bill Clinton you are the one that wanted the Military disarmed………….

      Did you make that decision while someone had your C–k in there MOUTH ??????



      One other thing and this is just a question ?????????



      • Hugh Janus

        When the Ft. Hood ‘workplace violence’ incident took place, the army base had to call 911. Am I the only one who thought that was stupid?

        911, What’s your emergency? A shooter at a military base? Why are you calling us? The guys with tanks and bombs need the police? Ooo K…

        Ask a politician to say it out loud so they understand how stupid that sounds.

    14. Vet1

      Scattered reports of Tennessee recruiting station shooting and another at a reserve center seven miles away.

      Details pending..,

    15. Vet1

      Reporting 4 Marines dead!

      God bless ’em…


        Same here.

        I wonder if these MARINES are vets from Iraq or Afghanistan ?

        Sad if it is 🙁

        Survived the WAR.

        But killed in the PEACE.

        S/F GUYS

        May your families be comforted.


      • NITE OWL



        MAKES ME SICK………………

      • Braveheart

        Vet1, at least the Muslim bastard got sent to hell. To the Marines’ families and friends, my condolences. To the victims, rest in peace.

        • NITE OWL


    16. RYBACK

      So this administration made the best nuclear deal of the past century……….deal with the devil. Question is who’s the devil.. I would think about that very hard.. Strange that every time that Obama does something that draws a lot of attention, a distraction happens, the planned parenthood thing, and now this shooting. I guarantee the RIGHT people will prevail.

    17. NITE OWL

      I wonder if this asshole that did the shooting in Tenn.
      had a Confederate Flag too??????

      I wonder if this will start a FALSE FLAG EVENT ?

      I wonder if this Country GOD FORBID has another CIVIL WAR

      mmmmmmmmmmmm ? 🙁

    18. Alphonse

      This is my last visit to this site. I found the hillbilly mentality complete with a collective inability to spell or think funny, but not after today. I no longer see this site as the MAD Magazine version of ethnic and racial haters. You are just haters and losers. Self-identified police sergeants and other cranks naming their shotguns and basking in the glow of paranoia are no longer funny. I have also reached my endurance limit for listening to whackos depict our country as an endless web of spiders weaving oppression. You are welcome to the delusional company of pathetic wingnuts who share your traits and delusional fantasies. Your real shared bug-out location is the lump of fat between your ears; that is no longer funny.

      • sixpack

        Bye-bye. Safe journey…

        • Warchild Dammit!

          Alphonse,later.Use what you can learned in this forum in trying times and forget the rest,simple.

      • Mike in VA

        See ya. Wouldn’t want to be ya. Have a great life.

    19. Copperhead

      Hey SGT. what do you think of the TAVOR Rifle?


      • Sgt. Dale

        From what I have read and seen it looks like a good piece.
        I do know a guy that has one and he said when TSHTF this is his main weapon.
        I hope to get to shoot it one day.

        • Copperhead

          SGT: THX! I’m thinking about doing some trading for one.

    20. charles king

      Google truthism.com

    21. Warchild Dammit!

      Permits,don’t need em,the gun fires just fine without em,firearms kinda like fish,they can’t read,hence no fishing license either!

      • Genius

        Warchild, Dammit man where you been? I have had a ton of work for you to do and you never showed up! I had to paint the retreat by myself lol. I need to coat the deck soon too! It took 10 gallons of beer to paint the cabin and probably 3 or 4 more to coat the deck. I promise I will have goldfish crackers for you if you show up lol. I will only be here in town for the night then back to work. Maybe you can catch a ride on one of the military convoys 🙂

        • Braveheart

          Genius, welcome back. I’ve been missing your posts.

          • Genius

            Thanks Brave, I wish I could stay longer 🙁 But hey, it sure is nice puttin around the woods 🙂 I will be back in a couple of weeks so hold down the fort!

            • Warchild Dammit!

              Genius,though have been known to spill a lot of beer on decks never seemed to preserve em that well!I actually with either redwood/ipe ect. do once every 7-10 yeaqrs recommend Watco finish danish oil,the clear,great stuff!

              • Genius

                Warchild, How long does Watco last? I was thinking of a clear epoxy idk.

                • Warchild Dammit!

                  You want a coat go the clear(carefully),the oil is just to replenish the natural wood with for lack of better word blood.A lot of clear coat poly’s/varnish can cause slippery conditions in moist air/rain.Time really depends on enviroment,what is the decking and before all this is the frame good and solid,otherwise a waste of time.Ipe probably the toughest natural deck material but pricey/good redwood would be next choice by me for decking material but have been known to on request also go with the trex like stuff,tis ok.

                  • Warchild Dammit!

                    Oooops,forgot to add,always with whatever try a small test area that out of traffic/eye area or can be covered with bbq/potted outdoor plant,let set a few days to make sure you like the look.

                  • Genius

                    Warchild, The frame is extremely solid it is made of 2.5 inch by 7.5 inch beams. Connected with lag bolts and steel L-brackets. It is from germany and some kind of deckwood that is grooved across the entire surface. Thats why I was thinking epoxy wouldn’t make it slippery because it has nice deep grooves cut into it. It was treated with something before it was shipped here but I have no idea what it was. It would have about 2 feet+ of snow and 4-6 inches of rain per year on it.

            • Braveheart

              Genius, that’s a roger. My GA trip got set back to mid-Aug. That time can’t come soon enough for me, then I can have some fun in the woods around the BOL on this next supply run. Be careful out there and watch your six.

              • Genius

                Here’s some advice from my experience 🙂 . For years I used the dakota alert long range motion sensor alert. The problem was that deer and birds and whatever would set it off. So I went to the unit that uses the ground probe that only detects vehicles. So far it works great it detects 4 wheelers and motorcycles too. You can hide it very easily and attach an external high gain antenna for better range. It has direct burial rated cable for the probe and you can get from 50 to 125 foot cable so the unit is far from the road. The only bad thing is that lightning in the area will set it off. It is kinda pricey 250 bux on ebay but very stealth. I will use my motion sensor unit somewhere else to detect people. It works great at 1/2 mile away and you can use a scanner or one of the handheld dakota units to monitor it. Get a 17 dollar mini mag mount vhf/uhf antenna from ebay with 10 foot cable to attach to the main unit and mount it as high as you can without being seen. 🙂

        • Hugh Janus

          After an unsatisfying sexual encounter with his girlfriend, the astronomer’s comment was heinous:

          Though I’ve made a career out of Venus my dear,
          I am tempted to switch to your anus!

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        In FL anybody poaching, careying a gun or bow on someone elses property without permission is Criminal Trespass, considered a Felony wirh 5 yrs oriaon attached. I will shoot poachers that step foot in my property. With my proper fencing and signs, they had pronty if warning. When I bought my some dickhead had a deer stand placed on it. Well the word was out about me finding the stand. Low and behold this drunk ahole and his kid pulls his boat up to my bank gets out trying to claim his stand. I gave him an earful. Should have just shot the Ahole. I know damn well he put that there ti poach. If everybidy poached there would not be any game out there left. Licenses are set up to help pay for and manage the game population. You want ro be a dick and poach, then expect to get shot, then shoveled and the dead pretty much shut the F-up as well for ever.

    22. Mike in VA

      I am so sick of the utter stupidity of it all. We allow Muslims to continually get away with this sh–t. We are not allowed to call it terrorism. We keep hearing about the good Muslims. Where are they when sh–t like this happens. How many of these things have to happen before people wake up. The person in the white house will not call it what it is. I wonder what his religious beliefs are???? Anyone in uniform is a big target. Any American Christian is a big target.
      These coward bastards always do this in places where they know people will not be armed.
      When are our own pussy people going to wake up. We have to get mean. Just plain mean. They do not care about rights, money, or anything. They just want to kill all of us infidels.

      I have a message. I am the Infidel you are looking for. I hope to allow you to meet your virgins.

      I am sorry about the language. I am just venting. 4 young men will not see there family ever again because of a sick Muslim Bastard.

    23. Sgt. Dale

      I see we have two options.
      #1 We get the hell out of the Mid East and let them kill each other off.
      #2 Turn the frigging place into an ash tray!

      • Kevin2

        Sgt Dale

        We’re in the oil countries to ensure that they continue to use the US dollar as payment for their oil. Let that end and its game over.

        Terrorism and freeing the oppressed are the ostensible excuses that are acceptable to the American public.

      • Braveheart

        Sarge, I prefer option #1. To go even further, let’s bring all the troops home from all over the world.

        • Genius

          Yep Brave and then we need to undo all the brainwashing they recieved and teach them some truth that they were never defending our country and just served as pawns for our enslavers. Then maybe we can get them to actually defend us from enemies foriegn and domestic!

          • Mike in VA


            You mean they should defend us against religious fanatics. Like the one who killed the 4 marines in Chattanooga?

        • Genius

          Yep Brave and then we need to undo all the brainwashing they recieved and teach them some truth that they were never defending our country and just served as pawns for our enslavers. Then maybe we can get them to actually defend us from enemies foriegn and domestic!

          • Warchild Dammit!

            Well,with option #2 we could in 50 years or so hottop the mideast,put up a million gas pumps and have one large ass quickie mart!

          • Braveheart

            Genius, deprogramming them would be a really tall order. I’d like to think that could be done on a significant percentage of them. While you might win over some small groups, you’ll still have resistance from a lot of them. If someone dressed in any US military uniform thinks I’m going to just follow his/her orders to surrender or anything else, they are in for a rude awakening that will cost them dearly. Any and all evildoers approaching me and mine will die. It doesn’t matter who they are or what they’re wearing.

    24. Momma D

      Great comments! I was thinking of getting my cc permit. I live in a pretty open state, but I’d like to put one in my purse. I’ve been struggling with this because I don’t need the Feds checking on my every thirty days.
      Just saying, thanks all.
      All the comments really helped!

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        Momma D. Everybody should get their CC permit. Just in case all hell breaks loose. Better have it than not. Big reason if you dont have it brings cause under their law that makes you a Felon. Having it, makes you good as Gold. A bugout situation is a great example. Heres a good one, Here in FL they just passed a law if the Governor Orders an evacuation, anybody over 18, non-felon can carry a gun to their evac destination. 2 positives to that is, you can protect yourself during the unrest and chaos, and you dont have to leave your guns behind fir someone else to steal. Negatives are bonehead who never handle a gun and now carrying and if they get over excited thw bullets start flying. I can see this at the gas pumps, fighting in kine and on the highway, someone cutting them off.

        • Warchild Dammit!

          Last thing I would worry about is govt. permission in a bugout situation,I do not look for permission any longer,finally woke the fuck up.

    25. Plan twice, prep once

      It’s a shame people think they need to prove the value of the the second amendment.

      The second amendment means what it says, and it says what it means. Still they pass thousands of unconstitutional laws and regulations that infringe on it without a though.

      The dichotomy of liberals then rightly, but hypocritically defend the hate speech of Nazi’s, racism and xenophobia of rap stars, etc. In our courts we defend the civil rights of serial rapists, thieves and murders. Never the less these same courts often embrace attacks on the second amendment.

    26. BAM

      Political correctness is going to kill this country.

      • AC

        Political correctness is fully intended to kill this country. That is its purpose.

        Political correctness is cultural Marxism.


      • sixpack

        Not if we can kill it first.

        • Mike in VA

          A bullet out performs political correctness every time.

    27. cali kid

      i was doing a job at marine reserve base and one of the Marines greeted me with a side arm! so what happened there???

      • sixpack

        As I understand it , the sidearms are for looks only—they got all the ammo locked up.

        stupid sheep.

        • Mike in VA

          President Clinton caused the military to go unarmed. It was his directive. What an idiot.

    28. Warchild Dammit!

      Either mp/base security/coming back from off base gig,or possibly ignoring a stupid directive though doubt that.

    29. Asshat

      If they ever do successfully ban firearms we will be ruled forever and freedoms will be gone. The thing about guns is even an old elderly person can be equal to a young lad . Guns are a threat to our rulers we could wake up someday and war on the gov. They will always keep making more useless legislation aimed at our right in the name of public safety. I don’t see how people can be so fucking dumb to believe the lies perpetrated by the zog.

    30. AquaMan


      You Don’t Need them Anymore!

      The ZOG FBI is on the Job!


    31. Asshat

      The second amendment is your gun permit as far as I’m concerned. All that other shit is infringement. Get with it people. Constitution is still the law of the land.

      • sixpack

        Constitution is still the law of the land, until they either kill you or put you in prison for the rest of your life.

        • Mike in VA

          Not being arrogant in anyway. Give me liberty or give me death. Freedom is more important than life. After all this is not our real home anyway.
          I want my sons to grow up in a free world. At least I felt free for about half of my life.

    32. Asshat

      Six their gonna kill you if they want to anyway you can let em kick your teeth in or you can fight like a free person. What’s it gonna be. Our freedom is the most important thing we have. If we don’t fight for it we will be slaves and our kids too. The zog machine will destroy all of us for the greater good of course. Gun free signs are to identify places where victims are. Murderers like these places . It is totally rediculous that there was no one armed in a recruiting center. Who’s brilliant idea was that. The us military is a joke.

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