VICTORY: Federal Agents Flee Bunkerville Citing “Safety Concerns”… Armed Citizen Militia Stands Down…

by | Apr 12, 2014 | Headline News | 1,129 comments

UPDATE [15:35 CDT] Following an early afternoon standoff with Bundy supporters and militia, the Bureau of Land Management is withdrawing federal agents from the area. There are reports of heavy traffic on I-15 as a result of a federal caravan of exiting agencies. 

Bundy ranch cowboys and hands are standing by for the BLM to open the coral gates and release cattle rounded up during this week’s raid. 

Communications to the area seem to have been restored. No shots have been fired. 

The resolution at this time seems to be a peaceful one, despite earlier threats from federal agents that they would shoot into the crowd if they did not disperse.

You can watch a live feed (available at 15:40 CDT) with Infowars’ David Knight at Ustream.

Read the original report below: Victory for Citizen Militia: FedGov Pulls Out of Nevada: “Serious Concern About the Safety of Employees”

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A couple hundred years ago some domestic terrorists got together and penned a Bill of Rights for a fledgling nation. Within their founding document they included a provision designed specifically to protect its newly formed experiment from tyrannical rule by way of arming its inhabitants so as to provide a backstop for those who would attempt to supplant their natural rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

This morning we have a prime example of why the founding fathers found these steps necessary and how powerful their decree really is to ensuring the freedom of Americans.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Over the last two days thousands of supporters have made their way to Bunkerville, Nevada where hundreds Federal government agents had begun rounding up privately owned cattle from public lands and cordoning off protesters into remote desert First Amendment Areas.

What made this particular “protest” different from previous peaceful assemblies like Occupy Wall Street is that many of those who arrived in Bunkerville were members of citizen militias from around the country – and they were heavily armed.

In short, this time around our overreaching Federal government was out manned and outgunned.

As reported by Infowars, the Bureau of Land Management and other Federal agencies have made the decision to pull their militarized assets out of the area.

A day after Infowars blew the lid on Sen. Harry Reid’s link to the BLM’s land grab of the Bundy Ranch, the Sheriff of Clark County, Nevada, Douglas Gillespie, announced to tremendous applause Saturday that the Bureau of Land Management would cease their efforts targeting cattle rancher Cliven Bundy.

In an emotional response, Bundy told the Sheriff he had one hour to disarm the federal agency and to bring the arms to the platform where speeches were made this morning, and to take down their barricades.

According to a statement issued by the BLM, their primary reason for ceasing operations is because of safety concerns.

Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.”

“We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner.

The “information on the ground” is that there are thousands of men and women standing by and that they were prepared to take action had it become necessary.

Though the government still maintains a court order for the rounding up of cattle, they have for the time being made the decision to walk away. This is not to say they won’t return in the future, but for today, the people are victorious.

Consider how these events would have played out had those who arrived to support the Bundy family not been armed; if they had simply showed up with protest signs and cell phones.

The end result would likely have looked more like this:

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Rather than being tied up and pepper sprayed, the brave Americans who ventured to Bunkerville held their ground, 2nd Amendment in hand, and the government determined it was no longer in their best interests to pursue the matter.

A new day has dawned in America. One where the people see that real change can happen.

Activism really does work. This incident has proven that the Patriots and the militias are worthy adversaries.  We have proven the power of social media and alternative news in the fight against tyranny. (Daily Sheeple)

The events of Bunkerville, Nevada show that the government, which so badly wants to control every aspect of our lives, can be defeated and sent packing.

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    1,129 Comments

    1. wrong

      Excellent news! Us – 1 Them – 0

      • BadAmerican

        I have been watching the Pete Santelli live stream all morning. There is power in The People. Our voices heard.

        NOMI

        CATI

        ….be safe….stay the course…BA.

        • The Stig's American Cousin

          I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that this isn’t the last we will hear of this.

          That said, I hope I’m wrong.

          • Cowboy45

            Something about taking measure.

            • Mich

              Wouldn’t be much of a surprise if the lull is

              only to gain time until the feds can mobilize

              the National Guard. Shades of Kent State.

              • Old Nam Vet

                4 dead in OHIO

                • SterlingSilver

                  Neil Kornze smug arrogance is obvious. Does it make sense to find remedy against a tyrant and bully within the judicial structure that is owned and operated by that very tyrant and bully?

                  This is the core issue at hand. Commies supporting the BLM in the case make no sense whatsoever when they categorically claim that Bundy is wrong because of judicial rulings against him.

                  Where were the boot licking subjects when it was time to support Sadaam Hussein and his kangaroo courts of aggression against the Iraqi subjects? Oh yeh, they didn’t support him because they considered his authority illegitimate and against the rights of the people…hence the invasion. Sadaam was wrong and no one argues that, even Obama and Hillary who supported that invasion. But the same thing in America somehow is permissible and right to these folks. How is it different?

                  These non-elected bureaucrats are so far off the ranch (no pun intended) and out there in la la land that they’re drunk on their own firepower and defer to their own judicially controlled judgments to satisfy their back room corporate deals that hang the public out to dry (Harry Reid…I’m talking to you!). Typical propaganda to accuse Cliven Bundy of screwing the tax payer when its been the BLM usurpation of public lands that is at fault. Typically true of what corporate governance is now; they have re-polarized the truth 180 degrees the other way. Enough is enough.

                • laeagle

                  Hurray to the people! Hurray for the Bundys!. Folks, this is not over yet. We must stand strong and united. These AHs and their propagandists will try to twist the story. It is time to stand up to the thugs and those officials who colluded with them by staying silent. Mark the names of the dog handlers and so called “Rangers”, even the officials who told the patriots gathered there that they should have their funeral arrangements prepared. He/they should be made accountabe and be made to eat their words. Publish their names and addresses. Reid and all the traitors should not be forgotten. Wise heads prevailed. We must learn from this experience!

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  A simple poll:

                  A thumbs “UP” in support of the Bundy cause.

                  A thumbs “DOWN” against the Bundy cause.

                • Unreconstructed Southron

                  Don’t worry, Barry Soetoro’s warming up his drones.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  the durango kidd says:

                  “If anyone thinks this is over with a Patriot win, they will be sadly mistaken.”

                  The durango kidd is a Fascist piece of shit! He is no friend of liberty, or of freedom loving Americans!

                  Why do you darken the pages of SHTFplan DK? Why are you here??

                  Why don’t you go suck your thumb on a some “progressive” site. Once there, you can mesmerize the sheep with the virtues of the “boot” and the “central bank.”

                • Gods Creation

                  “””A couple hundred years ago some domestic terrorists got together and penned a Bill of Rights for a fledgling nation.”””

                  There is no such thing as a domestic terrorist, unless you speak of corrupted “government” officials.

                  Those who penned the Bill of Rights were freedom loving people who wanted to cover their ass from retaliation by the King through the misuse of the “new government”.

                  There is not a terrorist in this country that is not under a disregarded Oath to the People. What does that tell you about the value of COG plans where the People are concerned?

                • Salt-N-Prepper

                  Be vigilant, the Gubbermint will fall back on its only tactic that it feels will work-psyops. It won’t b long before they write up a spin on this story that we will soon see all the LSM gov mouthpieces barfing out all across American television. They are going to portray all these “domestic terrorists” as having no regard for rule of law and responsible for jeopardizing the safety of all those good men and women of law enforcement. After that being said they will attempt to use this as more gasoline to throw on the fire of the gun grabber campaigns.

                  The problem is, no one listens to LSM anymore and their viewer base has made a mass exodus to alternative news to get the truth. Also no one takes our Gov seriously anymore, they are a complete laughing stock to not only Americans, but the rest of the world. Their reign over us is finished, they just haven’t been smart enough to figure it out yet.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  Hey DK, what do think about those poll numbers?

                  Yea: 525
                  Nay: 14

                  LOL.

                  I suppose to your mind, the “majority,” are just a bunch of ignorant fools who have “it” all wrong!

                  Maybe you should re-think your position on voting DK; clearly in this case, your views have NO support.

                  Maybe we should just dispense with the ballot, and simply embrace the bullet. I’m certain you would approve… given your fascist proclivities.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  Oops… I mean, 549 yea to 14 nay.

                  I doubt there are 14 “individuals” out there in SHTFplan land who voted “nay”.

                  I suspect it’s 2 or 3 trolls who’ve used multiple IP addresses to juice the “nay“ vote.

                  Prove me wrong.

                  If you voted “nay,” post yourself, and explain why!

                  Otherwise, I will stick to “conspiracy fact.”

                • durango kidd

                  YMWW: I could care less what the “poll” says. I am not looking for votes because I am not running for office; and if I were running for office and needed “votes” to be elected, I certainly wouldn’t be pandering to the lowest common denominator.

                  I am not looking for votes, fans, or followers. I have nothing to sell, and my thoughts and ideas are FREE. If anyone wants to ignore or reject them, I really don’t care. No money out of my pocket and I don’t measure my self worth by the opinions of others or “polls”.

                  What it shows me, and that in essence is all that I care about, is how badly informed the Alt Media Sheeple really are, and how important it is for me to present another perspective, as my time allows.

                  As I said before, my time here is limited. At the end of the month I am hopeful that a transaction I am working on bears fruit at last and I can move forward on my projects. Until then I will contribute as, and how I can.

                  Engage, My Peeps!!! 🙂

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  @the durango kidd

                  Oh he finally comes up for air!

                  Shit, I thought it was just your Sunday sloth??

                  You better get out to the local “WiFi hot spots.”

                  Fraud needs to be maintained.

                  Just ask the Feds.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  the durango kidd says:

                  “I am not running for office.”

                  Who said you were “running for office?”

                  “I am not looking for votes.”

                  Yet you troll for “thumbs up” votes!

                  “I certainly wouldn’t be pandering to the lowest common denominator.”

                  A fine way to endear yourself to this community DK.!

                  “I am not looking for votes, fans, or followers.”

                  Yet you troll SHTFplan for them!!!

                  “…all that I care about, is how badly informed the Alt Media Sheeple really are…”

                  Your concern is touching, but you sound just like Hillary!

                  “As I said before, my time here is limited. At the end of the month I am hopeful that a transaction I am working on bears fruit at last and I can move forward on my projects.”

                  I have a tear rolling down my face… goodbye… goodbye.

                • laeagle

                  It looks like the cowboys are the ones wearing the white hats who came in to save the day! What a sight to behold as they hearded them cattle back from the cattle thieves.

                  Cowboys have always been my heroes. It does my soul good to see the cowboys. They are no longer a figment of the imagination and of the past. Long live the cowboys! Long live the Bundys! Long live all the great ranchers in the West.

              • Be informed

                Looks like the guv’ment is backing down. Just proves that when there are enough ARMED patriots, bullies back down. It is a big difference when you have someone outgunned 100 to 1 held up in some cabin, and when the odds are equal. Thousands of armed militia vs. the feds. Guess whom wins. If the feds bring in the army or national guard you have a freaken war that will galvanize hundreds of thousands of others that fully support the Constitutiion. Could this be a preview of what is to come? BO might just start to stand for “backdowned oppression”. Russia and Putin are also watching, seeing that the U.S. is all talk.

                All the U.S. government has to do is just follow the Constitution and the law orginally written and this debacle would never arise. It is when the U.S. tries to loophole and trash the 9th Amendment that prevents wrong interpretation of the Constitution it runs amok. Putting the 1st Amendment into a 25 foot by 25 foot box is lunancy and completely wrong. Simple, the Constitution is for everyone. All the government has to do is figure this one out and be part of it rather than against it.

                Like Wrong says above, score one for the people today.

                • Be informed

                  Just like forecasted of an earthquake between 6.8 and 7.9 from New Guinea to the Soloman Islands and Loyalty Islands, another huge earthquake just hit 20 minutes ago of 7.6 to 8.3. The seismic stations are going nuts with this one. For two weeks I have been warning of this region was going to get whacked. The precursor earthquake activity was off the scale for the Australian plate. By the way Alaska and the Pacific Northwest are still in danger.

                • US Centurion

                  To Wrong,

                  You’re wrong, end of round one. If you think the Gov. just walked away you are terribly naive. They cannot and they will not allow this to stand. They are going to come in the night and seize these people and slink away like they did with that Cuban child in Miami. They will leave the area and leave the local law to clean up the mess.

                  et in gloria aeterna Dei

                • KY Mom

                  This is wonderful news – that the BLM have backed down and left! I pray this situation has been resolved.

                  However, my gut feeling questions if they are not leaving, but “regrouping”. Have they lifted the “temporary flight restrictions” in the area? Will they wait until (most) supporters return home to their families for Easter? I would be on alert at least through this coming weekend. (April 19th)

                  I believe BLM won’t give up so easily on their money making schemes. Have they already received payments from the Chinese for the $5 billion solar plant they planned to build on “public land” in Nevada?

                  It was reported two weeks ago that “The Bureau of Land Management had just cashed in with $1.27 million in oil and gas leases in Nevada.”
                  -Shale Reporter dot com

                • KY Mom

                  3/14/13 – “Buyers snapped up 29 federal land leases totaling more than 56 square miles in a northeastern Nevada area.”

                  “U.S. Bureau of Land Management geologist Lorenzo Trimble tells the Las Vegas Review-Journal the Elko County oil and gas leases sold Tuesday for $1.27 million to six different companies.”

                  “The Review-Journal reports the project would be the first in Nevada to use hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to extract oil and gas from shale deposits..”

                  http://m.shalereporter.com/industry/article_0de547ba-8ca4-11e2-ab4e-0019bb30f31a.html

                • JustMe

                  BI,

                  How long until earthquakes chain around to Oregon? Or is plate pressure relieved, by quakes happening elsewhere?

                  How does this effect Yellowstone, if at all?

                • Be informed

                  @ JustMe. This was the easiest earthquake prediction I have ever did. For past two weeks the precursor earthquakes from before had New Guniea and the Soloman and Loyalty Islands over and over getting hit with major earthquakes. One of them was 10 out of 15 times. This was shooting fish in a barrel and why I kept warning everyone that very large earthquakes were coming. I would like to take a lot of credit for getting both earthquakes dead on, magnitudes and everything, but this was too obvious and anyone could have come to the same conclusions with the same data I had.

                  Here is the kicker. Along with New Guinea and Soloman Islands the other areas that showed high tension was Vanuatu, Nicaragua that had a 6.6, Japan, Philippines, Mexico but especially ALASKA. I would say the Pacific Northwest is also in this target as oregon and Northern California is on this arc of the plates.

                  I would say until April 24 the area from California to Alaska’s Aleutian Islands remain very hot and dangerous. The Nazca plate hit the South America with a 8.2 this is turn affected the Cocos plate, 6.6 in Nicaragua. The African plate has been stressing out the Austrailian plate and Arabian plate. Greece to western Pakistan are still in danger also, including Iran and Turkey. This is turn affects the Pacific plate that is the Pacific Northwest, California and Alaska. If you can get to April 24, then the odds will improve a lot that a major earthquake bypassed the region this time. The planet right now is recoiling from the 8.2, 7.3, and today’s 7.6.

                  I would say the worst period of earthquake chance for this area would be Monday or Tuesday with the Full Moon that is coming based on the lining up of the Sun and Earth with the Moon, but also the distance. This is based on the information from the Foundation for the Study of Cycles that states that west coast earthquakes tend to occur more towards the apogee. The apogee for the Moon was April 8. The Moon will be about 390,000 KM away which is the breaking point for the sharp increase in earthquakes here. 390,000-406,500 KM away is when the earthquakes increase dramatically. I though at this point based on precursor quake activity would be on high guard until April 24 at least. More precursor quakes should tell in the coming hours and days.

                • 006

                  Hey B.I. 4.9 in Idaho today as well, no mention of it anywhere yet, except on RSOE map.

                • Be informed

                  @ 006. Idaho is very mountainous, and is still quite tectonical active. Anyplace there are mountains, there are earthquakes. 4.9 is not too large. It is interesting to note that the earthquake down in the South Sandwich Islands a little while ago occur in the same spot before in 1983 that the 7.0 in Idaho followed soon after. These precursor quakes sure point out high tension areas from past records.

                  Here is more on earthquake activity in Idaho that you can read:

                  http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/idaho/history.php

                • Kenny

                  I realize why everyone is celebrating, but can’t we get a picture without some yahoos representing the peope? A few of the guys in the picture look like they’re happy to belong to a cause, any cause! Just another form of sheep. Maybe somebody can photoshop the clowns on the far left and far right out of the picture? And I hope that these aren’t the guys that some are saying were heavily armed!

                • BigB

                  Thanks BI, as always.

                  I too believe that this situation in Nevada is not over by a long shot. What I think we may have witnessed is the beginning of the end. Has anyone here ever seen the U.S. government back down like this in recent memory? The answer to that is no.

                  The problem with a militia is that it is not funded by the American taxpayer. The US government is. How often can the militia’s men and women be expected to travel across country to do what they have done? Not near as much as the government can.

                  What you can now expect from the government is quick, illegal and ruthless actions taken before the protectors of our rights can gather. This is going to get real ugly. The 1st American revolution or 2nd Civil War, however you see it, just got physically started. You haven’t seen nothing yet!

                  BigB

                • posseecom

                  Push comes to shove..every time..

                  Remember that things will go further awry after this incident…

                  Except for Drudge and the usual alt media..this entire episode/standoff was off the grid on all msm..deliberately.

                  Expect the best

                  Prepare for the worst

                  It is yet to come

                  possee

              • jerrytbg

                They’ll be back with Hessian troops…

                It’s the British way…

                • USCORP

                  We need to remember that the Organic Act of 1916 which developed the national parks and land management, was designed to secure collateral for the same interests that own the Federal Reserve (created only three years prior). The orders for the next move by the Feds will come from those who believe that land is theirs via our last bankruptcy as a nation. This goes way deeper then you’ve been told. This Harry Reid / China BS is purely hype and pre-war agitation.

                • oldwhatshisname

                  This is a temporary win; they’ll be back. Watch out for a wild fire, or poisoned well water, sniper killing or whatever evil way they will take the Bundy’s land. Harry Reid’s greedy family also wants the land, in addition to the BLM for income. They are only going away until the armed militia leaves.

              • Kulafarmer

                Theyll raid their home in the middle of the night after everybody goes home, vigilance will be very important.

                • pissinwiththewind

                  “And one of the heads receives a deadly wound”

                  The backing down by the Federallys in Nevada, is a sign or precursor of what is to come in the near future.

                  When the NWO is in it’s finalizing stages of ram-rodding it’s one world system upon the people, the “united ones”, or citizens militia, will stand up again and defeat the beast/NWO from taking over here in America.

                  That is the deadly wound spoken of by John. The good people standing up for what is right. Standing up against tyrants/bullies/con men of the likes of liberal politicians. The Reids of this world had better take notice; because the common folks in America are mad as hell and aren’t gonna take their cronyism bull shit anymore. We are wiser than those DC serpents and see thru all their tactics to impose their New World Order crap upon us.

                  When they realize there are 1000 times more of us then them; they back off. They will ultimately call upon their leader, ole Lucifer, Antichrist to try to put a “fix” on things so they can carry on with their NWO agenda. It won’t work in Israel or Jordan, nor will it work in America the Brave.

              • knightindullarmor

                Um… hasnt the NV governor weighed in on this? Out of statte guard without invitation by the governor would be a federal gmnt act of war against nevada. Andfrom the governors words – if the NV guard gets involved, they would likely be there to protect the rancher.

                • the renegade braveheart

                  If I was Bundy, I would be trying to keep some of those militia members at the ranch. I’ll bet a dollar to a doughnut the feds make a predawn SWAT raid on them.

              • Jewell

                Mich, you hit the nail on the head. This group is all about smoke & mirrors. Watch this hand, while I steal with the other. Have heard they didn’t really leave state so I take that to mean, they are re-grouping which is not good.

                • Cede

                  I’m guessing the gov used this as a test bed once they realised that folks were pissed! You can rest assured that they took notice once the Militia turned up though.

                  Thankfully another Ruby Ridge didn’t occur at the Bundy Ranch, but what happened these last few days has galvanized the entire Nation. The fuse has been lit. People have started to believe in the possibility, that collectively, if they stand together, they can oppose the aggressor and push back just as hard.

                  It would not surprise me in the least, if we see a surge in Patriotism. Not a surge of recruits for the Military like WWII to fight for Freedom. But rather a surge of citizens joining Militias across the country to assert Freedom in defiance of tyranny. Like I said, the fuse is lit. There’s no turning back. We are all Cliven Bundy’s and if we want the Change that o’bummer promised then it’s up to every individual now to play their part, any way they can, to bring about the changes WE want.

                  The most powerful image I’ve seen for years ….. Was the picture of the Militia guy on the bridge with a rifle, trained on the BLM as they stood in the way of the folks on horseback. That summed everything up for me. He wasn’t prepared to fight for freedom, he was prepared to defend the freedoms of his countrymen. And that my fellow countrymen should be the motto.

              • Them Guys

                NY Times Confirms: Israeli Lobby Controls American Lawmakers

                A revealing insight into how “right wing” and “left wing” Zionists work has come with the open admission by a leading Jewish journalist in the New York Times that American lawmakers do whatever the Israel lobby asks them to do in order to garner Jewish votes and campaign donations.

                The astonishing admission—a reflection of the fact that their control is so secure that they can admit such things in public without real concern that they will be challenged—was made in an article written by New York Times foreign affairs columnist Thomas Friedman called “Let’s Make a deal” and published on November 19, 2013.

                In his piece, he also openly admits that there is an “alliance” against “Protestants of America”—which of course, in politically correct terms, means European-Americans.

                “The Middle East once again proves that if you eat right, exercise regularly and don’t smoke, you’ll live long enough to see everything, including a day when the Jews controlling Jerusalem and the Sunni Saudi Custodians of the Great Mosques of Mecca and Medina would form a tacit alliance against the Shiite Persians of Iran and the Protestants of America,” he wrote.

                “Diplomats and ministers from Israel and the Israel lobby have been working Congress, while officials from Arab Gulf states have been telling the Obama administration directly the same message . . . Never have I seen Israel and America’s core Arab allies working more in concert to stymie a major foreign policy initiative of a sitting U.S. president, and never have I seen more lawmakers — Democrats and Republicans — more willing to take Israel’s side against their own president’s.

                “I’m certain this comes less from any careful consideration of the facts and more from a growing tendency by many American lawmakers to do whatever the Israel lobby asks them to do in order to garner Jewish votes and campaign donations.”

                “Left wing” and “right wing” Zionism therefore have exactly the same objectives: the maintenance and interests of the ultra-racist state of Israel. This remains their prime concern and objective.

                • Them Guys

                  HEAD’S UP: All You Aussies “down under” the very same infectious incidious germ devestating usa Polititions, has also been Very Activly Infiltrating Austrailian Polititions also!

                  “Israeli Lobby Controls Australian Foreign Policy” – Former Foreign Minister Bob Carr

                  Full Article is at www dot davidduke dot com/israel-lobby-controls-austrailian-foreign-policy-former-foreign-minister-bob-carr/

            • Gods Creation

              These “official” should be ashamed of themselves. Their families should be ashamed of them. And the American People should question the wisdom of allowing them to continue on in their jobs.

              Something tells me that the corps mindless minions are disappointed they will have to leave without getting to kill some of us. I doubt they even consider the possibility that THEY might die instead, and will likely not consider it until some of them do.

              • the renegade braveheart

                GC, let some of these SWAT teams start getting defeated and suffering multiple casualties along with THEIR own homes being raided in turn, then we’ll start seeing an end to all of this crap. LE relatives are no less vulnerable to violence than the rest of us. The people have won this battle, but there is another battle coming. The feds won’t give up without a fight. It’s going to take them suffering multiple casualties to give up.

                • apache54

                  renegade,
                  YUP needs to happen!!

                • Kulafarmer

                  This was just round 1.
                  These federal pigs are poor losers. Stay alert folks and dont let your guard down

                • Wade

                  I agree. Things that are personal make the most impression. Keep tabs on those goverment employees and police that live near you. If they start stuff against the good people of this country,then it just may be time to make sure you *visit* that neighbor.

                • Armor Director

                  RB,

                  Read book entitled “Molon Labe” (Boston Tea Party) fictional book shows what can happen when free people retaliate on thugs where they live, travel, eat, recreate, etc. Evil doers can be found. Hope it never has to come to that. It all depends on how far the guberment wants to take it… Many concerned citizens dressed in blue jeans and T-shirts with ball caps or cowboy hats may not look like they are capable or equoipped to move against guberment and their contractors. There are a great many citizens who are just as well trained, with warfare experience, tactical training, and capacity in arms to bring the fight to them. These citizens, when having done all to stand for liberty begin to act, because of a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security, the thugs will become the focus of their sights…

                  Molon Labe!

                • Pissed Off Granny

                  Hi Braveheart:

                  Sorry to ‘hijack’ your comment but I had to come clear down here to thank Pissinwiththewind for his post. I still do not understand why some comments are immediately shut off for the ability to reply to them while other ‘soft’ posts and replies go on and on. I have my suspicions, however…

                  Hope you are having a good weekend Braveheart and once again thanks Pissinwiththewind for your great post. Eyes to see and ears to hear, PWTW, you have been blessed with both!

                • HisArmsWide

                  @POG

                  I think it has something to do with the nesting of the comments. After enough replies to replies to replies you don’t get to make another child reply.

              • Natcho Momma

                By now some of you have seen the Chinese Ried connection story. Our entire government is dirty. There is no legal way to fix this.

                • skittle shittin unicorn

                  Natcho momma

                  harry (pinky ) Reid is one of the most corrupt govt people we have to date

                  every one needs to write to him and tell him its time to retire or WE will help him Retire

                  send letters to him

                  and these two gutless wonders

                  Dean Heller ( the spineless wonder
                  Brian Sandoval Gov of nv and one who green lighted the every Illegal Mex gets a drivers license Program in NV

                  Reid is supported by every Mexican in NV legal or not
                  they drove bus loads to the polls to help vote him in
                  The unions in NV held training sessions to show the Non English speakers what lever to pull and what Box to check on there ballot.

                  and then told them if they liked there jobs and wanted to keep them they better vote how the union told them

                  he cut school programs to keep the Mariachi music program alive to hell with books and such but keep the illegals happy and playing there god awful music

                • domo

                  exactly.

                  i’m sick and F-ing tired of hearing how Bundy (and ranchers) are leeches for not paying the grazing rights.

                  for what it’s worth: if they pass that cowfart methane tax, I will not comply, and though i don’t have land that is slated to be an energy source, when they SWAT raid and kill my family and seize my cattle the sheep can console themselves with “they were tax evaders” because I didn’t pay my cowfart tax.

            • Anonymous

              I don’t believe in eating cows… but this almost gives me cold chills– the idea that “the People” finally confronted this corrupt government and are victorious (at moment).

              • the renegade braveheart

                Anonymous, I’ve been a meat-eater all my life and will be for the rest of it.

                • PWYPreach

                  Nothing like a grilled medium-rare hamburger smothered in onions…dripping juice onto the plate. I LOVE AMERICA!

                • Them Guys

                  If Any MSM TV News shows show any of this fiasco the likley guy msm tv will choose to highlight in a negative and bad way will probobly be that beer belly guy at Far left of top photo. Hes the Perfect choise for tv to call him a beer swilling skin headed multi tatood Raayysssiiis!

                  And also a white seperatist nazi gun owners etc etc .

                  Am wondering if any tv reporting will be done? I spoke on phone to a few folks so far since yesterday, and all said they seen nor heard any mention at all on any tv news yet about this event.

                  Unlike a busload of protesting chicago ghetto rats with Al Sharpton as bus driver and leader…THAT would make Live 24/7 tv news Globally!….I saw just ONE Tv news station even mention this event which was yesterday morn on RT tv news. Even then the woman on RT wss that Far leftist chick whos main concerns seemed more for the endangered turtles than the actual main event.

                  Only when TV news can spin spew any event as such into bad and negative results is it reported any more.

                  DISCLAIMER: I do not look at that chubby Tatooed guy in the same light or negative way. I am just saying thats How TV news always portrays any white males that happen to look like him. He just “Fits” the MSM profile they have used for 50 yrs to propagandize americans into thinking the way MSM desires folks to think of white males etc.

                • USCORP

                  It is this type of thinking and posturing BHR that will ultimately lead to our destruction. Drawing arbitrary lines in the sand because of some perceived right you imagine you have, is just plain ignorant. In your example, your perceived dominion over the creatures that possess the meat and life that you are comfortable taking from them, is no different then the attitude that the sick fucks that run this planet have towards you. The most I can usually get from people like you is… “well, too bad… I like “my” meat and that’s not gonna change!” Wow… profound.

              • Mountain Trekker

                Anon I’m with you, I prefer venison, elk and Antelope. Cows have a Tame Taste that I can’t get use to. But if somebody will buy it, I can be forced to eat it. As my Son use to say back in Missourah, you don’t see people running around trying to give away beef steak or hamburger, like they did deer meat. Wonder why! Trekker Out. Semper Paratus!

              • Tor Munkov

                Ideally, we could all learn to eat bison, plus use the rest of the animal in its entirety.

                The only thing these alien cattle species are good for, is compacting soil, destroying waterways, and killing native vegetation.

                To really stand up to the bankers, reintroduce the species who are best suited to this land and allow them to roam the plains once more. This means wolves, bison, and the natives who follow them and coexist with them.

                Contrary to what pointy head environmentalist tyrants say, the land needs a population of large apex predators to flourish. Any American should be free to “go native” provided he do so in a manner that respects live and let live with his more sedentary rural and urban brethren.

                • Wade

                  I can agree with you, but the reality is that there are just too many people these days for any large number to try and live off the land.

                • PWYPreach

                  We already have an excessively large number of apex predators in America, most of whom call Washington D.C. home.

                • lastmanstanding

                  They already ‘reintroduced’ the wolves at taxpayer expense along with a bunch of bonuses for the commie bastards that did it.

                  The reintroduced wolf was not native and carries several types of diseases that were injected before they were “stocked.”

                  As for the rest of the of the native animals…They don’t give a fuck about them.

                  All these know it all pos who “have your best interests in mind” are going to bring around the most intense ass- kickings that man has ever experienced.

                  I can’t wait…no one lives forever.

                  “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

                • Cameraman

                  It Seem the Only Animal Left on the Endangered List is the White American Male!!

                  Semper Fi

          • Vicky

            I don’t think you’re wrong, unfortunately. Am sure Barry will double down on efforts to jail patriots and confiscate guns. He’s going to throw a huge temper tantrum because he lost a power grab, and become even more unhinged by possibly losing millions of dollars if the Chinese, Harry Reid and his Demon Spawn don’t get to embezzle every asset in Nevada. What is Nevada going to do about this pestilential bastard and his thieving ways?

            • Kulafarmer

              Fuck barry and his band of dickheads

              • Them Guys

                When one add’s Nevada + Harry Ried the most Probable actual Hidden Hand pulling Harrys strings will be attached to Vegas’s Casino Mogul and neocon $$$$$ Cow, Sheldon Adelson. Dual-citizen whos main Loyalty is Other than america. After making his mark in Nevada by becomeing the biggest funder of various neocon Pols, its likly Shelodn is now The main number one string puller of that entire state. If not, then hes definatly in the Top “Few” controler positions. I bet hes also heavily funding several Lib kommie dems like Harry also.

                Thats a Key component to their controls, by always funding BOTH sides so no matter who wins elections, they get to keep pulling strings forever. Or untill Ten to twenty Million more american “militia” types gather as One group to end such controls.

            • skittle shittin unicorn

              vicky

              those of us with any guts are trying to rid the USA of Harry Pinko Reid and his Obammy monky boy

              we try to expose him for what he really is and that’s a back stabbing fake Mormon who has had his hands in more pockets then any one else ( except teddy Kennedy )

              vicky

              write letters and explain how disgusted you really are with Harry Reid

              write to Dean Heller and Brian Sandoval Gov of nevada
              Dean Heller
              8930 West Sunset Road
              Suite 230
              Las Vegas, NV 89148
              Phone: 702-388-6605

              Dean Heller D C office
              324 Hart Senate Office Building
              Washington, DC 20510
              Phone: 202-224-6244

              Brian Sandoval Gov
              State Capitol Building
              101 N. Carson Street
              Carson City, NV 89701
              Phone: (775) 684-5670
              Fax: (775) 684-5683

              tell them how tired you are of Harry Reid making the USA a laughing stock and you as a citizen of the United States demand that Harry Reid be brought up on charges of corruption

              Maybe if they get enough letters from other states then Maybe just Maybe something will get done

              Skittle shittin unicorn

          • sixpack

            That’s because this is not the end of this.

            Even IF BLM and the FEDs do stand down, WE SHOULD NOT. Some high level heads SHOULD ROLL FOR THIS, starting with Harry Reid and the entire chain of command to the BLM dept heads. We should stop nothing short of that goal.

            I posted several links to yesterdays story to articles from across the entire country—THIS IS NOT THE ONLY LAND GRAB—IT’S JUST THE ONE THAT DIDN’T WORK OUT SO WELL.

            I’m posting those same links here in a minute.

            This isn’t over.

            • sixpack

              Exactly how far is Harry Reid’s Nevada office from Bunkerville? Next stop? Why not?

              • mm

                Isn’t the only reason the BLM backed down is because it was discovered Harry Reid is involved?

                Once the mid-term elections are over and Nevada re-elects Reid, Reid and the BLM will be back in full force and will take over the ranch IMO.

                • sixpack

                  Well then, those of us who couldn’t go to Bunkerville and hold the line, we have our work cut out for us, huh?

                  Now it’s OUR TURN to contribute.

                  It’s officially “Get Rid of Harry Reid Season”

                • sixpack

                  Here’s my question for today:

                  I’ve never had a drone mounted, so would I have to take it to a taxidermist or a mechanic?

              • skittle shittin unicorn

                Sixpack

                his NV office is in Las vegas federal bldg with courts and such.

                Bunkerville is about 80 miles or so North of Las vegas

                he was born in Searchlight and that’s east by lake mead and the Hoover dam is about 30 miles i believe from his house

              • John W.

                Waste of time as he is never there. He lives in DC at the Ritz Carlton which costs more for a week than most people make in a year. Wonder who is picking up the tab? Of course when you are as high up as he is getting actual cost plus reimbursement is a snap.

            • sixpack

              I left out the Bundy links for the sake of space

              Land grab in New Mexico http://www.wnd.com/2004/02/23192/

              Land grab in Utah http://www.suwa.org/herbertslandgrab/

              Land grabs in Florida http://www.libertysentinel.org/article.php?id=LandGrab

              Land grab protests in Nebraska and South Dakota http://dakotawarcollege.com/sd-state-senator-protesting-federal-land-grab-across-6-counties-in-south-dakota/

              Land grabbers in congress http://netrightdaily.com/2012/03/senate-transportation-bill-funds-more-federal-government-land-grabs/

              Land grab in Montana https://www.cfact.org/2010/09/27/federal-governments-land-grab-faces-growing-resistance/

              Land grabs of Obama Admin http://www.propertyrightsalliance.org/obama-administration-makes-attempt-seize-millions-a2892

              Land grab in Texas http://misguidedchildren.com/domestic-affairs/2014/04/red-river-rumble-blm-wants-to-seize-90000-acres-of-texas-ranchers-land/18596

              Land grab in Wyoming (in court now) http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/12/pendley-the-us-forest-service-land-grab/?page=all

              …………Other related info:

              Arizona 72,688,000 acres with federal seizure of 30,190,227 acres or 41.5-percent
              of the land area. Leads the nation in copper production and non-fuel mineral
              production.

              California 100,206,720 acres with federal seizure of 44,689,648 acres or
              44.7-percent of the land area. California has vast untapped gold reserves and mercury
              ore.

              Colorado 66,485,760 acres with federal seizure of 23,904,445 acres or 36-percent of
              the land area. Colorado produces 60-percent of the worlds supply of molybdenum
              and contains oil shale that contains five times more oil than all the worlds oil reserves
              combined. Also has considerable gold and silver reserves.

              Montana 93,271,040 acres with federal seizure of 25,688,895 acres or 27.5-percent
              of the land area. Montana is rich in gold, silver and vast, shallow coal deposits along
              with millions of acres of timber and grazing land.

              New Mexico 77,766,400 acres with federal seizure of 26,325,860 or 34-percent
              of the land area. New Mexico leads the nation in the production of potash and in the
              production of dry ice from carbon dioxide wells.

              Oregon 61,598,720 acres with federal seizure of 31,930,738 acres or 52-percent of
              the land area. Oregon leads the nation in reserves of standing timber, timber
              production, plywood production, nickel production and the greatest profusion of agates
              for gemstones.

              Texas 168,217,600 acres with federal seizure of 2,346,012 acres or 1.4-percent of the
              land area. (The land seized by the federal government seems small, but is greater in
              area than the entire states of Delaware and Rhode Island). Texas leads the nation in
              helium production, sulphur production, petroleum refining, asphalt production, cotton
              production, and produces the most chemicals from seawater.

              Utah 52,696,960 acres with federal seizure of 33,258,253 or 63-percent of the
              land area. Utah leads the nation in the number of useful minerals found, and produces
              petroleum, coal and copper. Much of the federal holdings have been designated scenic
              areas.

              Washington 42,693,760 acres with federal seizure of 10,272,658 acres or 27-percent
              of the land area. Washington provides 10-percent of the nation’s timber needs and
              30-percent of its hydroelectric power.

              Wyoming 62,343,040 acres with federal seizure of 30,206,194 acres or 48-percent of
              the land area. Wyoming holds the largest coal reserves in the nation and the
              country-side is dotted with oil wells.

              Sign a petition to Congress http://www.petitiononline.com/lg2/petition.html

              • Kulafarmer

                Excellent post six
                Got some reading to do now

                • Them Guys

                  Sixpack: Your state’s resourses listings Proves that indeed it IS us here in America that have recieved ALL of the Abrahamic Blessings that are material type blessings in nature. Which also Proves that whats written in new testement book of Galatians 3:29…

                  “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.”

                  Is Also not only True, but obviously all of the material blessings of said resources, waters, streams, Vast farmland mass etc etc have already BEEN Fulfilled as Promiced to be…Which proves also that all of the Many pastors that keep insisting that NONE of said promiced blessings have yet been done or fullfilled and are ALL waiting for some “Future” time, to be given to jewish folks or state of israel etc are simply as wrong as can be. Either they are all wrong based upon personal Ignorance of truth biblically etc…OR…They are Falsifying what they teach based on a distorted view or ideals of the peoples we Now have confirmed are Khazars, and have ZERO mentions biblically of Any such promiced blessings from God or anywheres else eh!

                  One look at that Long List of the tremendous resources and prosperity and wealth from such many huge resources, when compared to every other nation worldwide and none can deny that indeed God has blessed Americas Lands, all 50 states with more prosperity and vast resources than any place on earth bar none. Hence we should all be very Thankfull to God, as well as do whatever it takes to cast off and away the current crop of usa destroyers, and various polititions, orgs, think tanks and groups or sub-groups that continue to Shut down, Tie up, and basically have Halted most every means we had or have to USE our Blessings aka resources as our Ancestors and Fathers once did, and that Is what created such massive wealth and prosperity as well as individal opportunity for Every American legit citizen.

                  There simply is NO valid reason that americans cannot once again continue to Propser Mightly, and even prosper greater than ever before due to modern day High Tech when combined with such vast resources..Its so obvious that all the Halting in most every sector of Oil, Timber, Chemicals, Precious metals etc etc has all been done ON PURPOUS!….By Design to cause Middle class americans, and mainly the huge white majority to get turned into worse losers than any of todays 3rd world folk.

                  Every incident like the so called endangered turtles swindle this weekends events shows…Only go to prove further that every such scam in past 50 yrs was done BY scheeme, design, to destroy Our combined prosperities and wealth abilities, and LOCK it ALL Up for Later use and ownership by a small Few. A Handfull of scammers, scheemers, and swindlers who care only for themselves and Money period.Even at the full expence of all the rest of americans…That vile evil vicious Bunch would shed Zero tears if by their machinations, all of the Other 300+ million americans died off…Those so evil ones would smile and count it as “All Theirs now and nobody to stop Them forever!”

                  Our Boomer gen and the one after boomers should see how obvious it is that the Job to restore to Us whats Rightfully Ours, is in fact Our Job to acomplish. While we all are still here alive too!

              • Remote

                Don’t forget Alaska

                • sixpack

                  Who could forget Alaska? Got a link to post? Please do.

              • Anonymous

                ZOG at work all over the USA. Thanks for the posts.

              • SILVERSTATE

                Dam right it’s about our national mineral and resource base being auctioned off by the same people who took our homes.

                That mother fer at the head of BLM needs to be hung by his balls and covered with scorpions.

                • sixpack

                  Actually, there’s a governor, several commissioners and locals between the BLM peon and Senator Harry Reid, who is at the top of the pile…If it was me, I’d start much higher up than the peons.

            • sixpack

              BTW, about 10 minutes after I subscribed to the Bundy email/sms updates web page, (the link I left on SHTF) MY YAHOO EMAIL STOPPED WORKING. The only other thing I’ve done out of the ordinary is left many comments about the Harry Reid/ Bundy Ranch issue on many yahoo comments. Either one might have caused yahoo to slow me down—but yahoo can’t stop me by attacking my inbox.

              I have had to LITERALLY hack into my own email in order to check my emails…not one update from Nevada among them, as I figured.

              I may be changing my email address. After over a decade as sixpack6t9, I might have to abandon my moniker. I’ll let everyone (who cares) know what it will be changed to.

              I’m no anonymous hit-and-run poster.

              • LSB

                Sixpack: I emailed u yesterday. Did u get it?

                • Pissed Off Granny

                  LSB:

                  Would love to talk to you.

                  My second e-mail is [email protected]. Leave your middle initial there and come back here and leave it. I will then email you my regular email. I know we would enjoy corresponding and our location will make it easy.

                • sixpack

                  I’m using my startmail address because my yahoo is still down.

                  sixpack6t9(at)startmail

                • sixpack

                  granny, I think LSB may be having trouble with her email. No word here either.

              • River-Rat

                Six: Mine is down also, has been for 2 days. Still not working the way it did.

                • sixpack

                  River, are you yahoo and did you subscribe to the Bundy site? Or post any info anywhere? Remember the NSA is watching us for their pal, Harry.

                  I can get into my inbox but none of the links work and the mail won’t open either. You?

                • Shootit

                  You need to get one from Glen Beck or a Regan email. I have my own email server with my own domains sitting behind a firewall that we designed and sell. They can try and attack my wall, but they would crash the local network before they got to me.

            • PKLauLau

              This is not over….and the FOX news report was not accurate.

              PKLL

            • LSB

              I’m wondering if perhaps there isn’t a plan to heavily entrench the Chinese in the Nevada area so that eventually begin to squeeze out west and east. There were reports of large groups of them planning on settling in north-west Nevada and also south-west idaho. BElieve I read that in Idaho they were wanting to set up their own city.

              • Pissed Off Granny

                True story LSB. Just go to to ‘the Idaho Statesman’ newspaper and type in chinese city.

                I did a post a few months back on this very subject.

                • LSB

                  S

          • John W.

            The calm before the storm. They will not take being made to look like the punks they are lightly. This is not over by a long shot. When the Bundy supporters leave we shall see just what the game plan is. An accident on the way to town perhaps? A fall from a horse?

            • NetRanger

              Maybe they’ll “Brietbart” him? …and the coroner too just like they did with Andrew.

          • Feisty Old Broad

            I agree that the withdrawal was odd…and I also fear a change of tactics by the blm….do not claim victory as yet….there may be more to come, from different sources….be ever vigilant. I am heartened by the support given to this family in their time of need…and it reinforces my beliefs that we are in the end game together….
            fob

            • Feisty Old Broad

              Query: I learned Morse Code at a young age…but have not any experience with it utilizing mirrors….how difficult is it to learn? Thanks.
              fob

          • Chris Martel

            Stig’s, you are right, this is just a lull, the BLM has already made it crystal clear that they will continue to vigorously pursue this matter in the courts, and with the way the courts have been stacked up in the past twenty or so years, this is going to be an uphill battle. Don’t put your guns away just yet.

        • s d atwell

          BLM, is actually classified as an: “Agent of Foreign Principle”, under the
          intergovernmental Personnel Act.

          • PKLauLau

            Yep.

            Mac, you need to do a story on THAT FACT.

            PKLL

            • Pissed Off Granny

              PKL: We may have to do our own research on the subject. Hope not. Hope Mac does the article you are requesting.

              • PKLauLau

                POGranny:

                I posted some facts on that a couple of days ago and I’m pretty sure I sent it to Mac: If he choses not to pursue, I’ll repost. If it is true, then (as I understand it) they have NO legal jurisdiction anywhere.

                PKLL

        • billybob

          the govt should be made to pay dearly for every cow of that mans that was killed, those you voted for wanted to steal the land for china, are you proud of your vote.

          • Them Guys

            Speaking of Votes: READ Latest New article by, “Kelliegh Nelson” at newswithviews dot com website. Shes a TENN woman, and again has another Exallant article in Two Parts, of which only Part I is posted there as yet…Look for Part II next week…

            Her New article outlines, details, Verifies and documents with Proof Links to other articles etc galore. Info on ALL the Current Advisors, and campaing leadership persons that are all involved with the Current crop of Top 4-5 GOP neocon 2016 US PREZ election contender hopefulls.

            Rand Paul, Ted Chaz, Rubio, and Jindal and I think One more I cannot now recall name of(?)…THREE of which are NOT even a Natural Born Citizen so are Invalid as Prez or VP-prez candadits!

            Wait till you see the List and Names of well known Establishment neocon clowns every single one has chozen or accepted as Their Main campaign promotors, advisors etc!

            Her First mention is on Rand Paul who has picked BILL GATES of micro soft fame, as well as all sorts GMO Foods, Vacinations, Vacines to Steralize africans and Others, (Think You wont be included in that scam plan!) and a huge Host of corrupted affairs involving United Nations & AGENDA-21 crap. Plus Massive investments by gates to persue LAND GRABS etc as seen with Nevada Rancher guy.

            Plus Rand Paul has also allowed several more Untrustworthy, swindler type persons to act on Rands behalf in his run for Prez 2016…The rest of the crop are as bad too.

            TEA PARTY, Honest regular folk supporters and hopefulls have so Obviously been Used as Bait, Votes, Dupes and Usefull idiots same as Soviet kommies are Famous for doing with Their usefull idiots.

            So Many tea party folks and others too donated tons cash, went everywheres in support, rain or shine, and what is end results?…I will Tell you what!

            ALL current or former rand, Chaz, Rubio, Jindal etc supporters and donaters have been ROYALLY Shafted, and DUMPED off a Cliff, so all them Candidit “Darlings” that were supposed to FIX whats wrong in usa etc…have ALL Now turned coat, and Joined the regular usual bunch of Establishment repubs aka neocon swindlers. McCain has nothing on these new sen guys last elected.

            If You belong to Tea Party and supported and voted for any of these clowns and swindlers?…Especially if You donated any large cash to any of them guys?

            I strongly recomend You grab a Box of Kleenex to wipe away Tears if You plan to read Kellieghs new article expose’ of these scam artists named in This posting! Wait till you see the names of the tons of advisor staff etc they are allowing to run things!!!!…

            This is One issue I Wish I weren’t vindicated as correct on, when I long ago posted of what scams these guys like Rand, Rubio, Chaz et al really are…I really Hoped I was 100% wrong and they’d turn out real swell, honest guys that meant what they stated to get votes and cash etc..

            Her new article and a few Previous articles couple weeks ago about these TOP neocon Picks has vindicated me 100% as correct on all I wrote of them all prior and I sure wish it didn’t. If any need Live Links just ask, I hate to wait for moderation due to links when included….Newswithviews dot com should get ya there…READ Kellighs new article and some older ones also! She Will Open anybody closed eyes Guarenteed!

            • John W.

              The Tea Party was hijacked. Rand Paul is no better than Reid or Mclame.

        • apache54

          this is NOT over ! yes we won ONLY because the people made there voices heard!! NOW think about this people!!! what is going to happen when we cannot get the word out for all to unite?? we must find a way to keep lines open and start to repel the scum that is running this country and throw them out while we still can!! POWER to the PEOPLE!!!

          • John W.

            Dirty deeds done in the dark of night with no witnesses. That is most likely how this will play out. Hope I am wrong. We have become the old Soviet Union. People just do not care as the majority of the population is now immigrants from countries where this behavior from govt. is the norm. Most of the rest are on some kind of stress drugs and would not care if they caught fire as long as their EBT card has some cash on it. America, land of the free stuff home of the knaves. USA! USA! USA! Chant the morons.

        • Red Leader

          As a 27 year Law Enforcement veteran, I can tell you that what I saw in the video was very unprofessional and excessive force. The BLM Rangers are a bunch of wannabe cops who try to look the part. They had no reason to be there confronting those people. Any cop who has attened crowd control training knows that you must first announce an unlawful assembly order before using any type of force on the crowd. Out in the desert they could not issue such an order, there would be no cause.

          As a K9 handler and supervisor I can tell you that the first thing they teach you about bite dogs is to NEVER use a K9 for crowd control. That stopped in the 60s when Bull Conners attacked peaceful civil righs marchers with police dogs and fire hoses.

          The BLM fled the area when someone with half a brain realized they were illegally using force, unprovoked, on people who were simply yelling and pointing fingers.

          A real police sergeant would of had his guys stand down and calmly went over and talked to the protesters, asked them to be safe, and left.

          I would love to see the BLM try those thug tactics in the Ghetto. From my experience in the Rodney King riots they would have run home with their pants wet.

          Oh yea, BLM snipers??? I can’t believe it! BLM Rangers should be disarmed and if they need help, call the sheriff.

          • Sgt. Dale

            R.L.
            Damn!!! If those guys where on the SWAT team I was on and they acted like this, As their Sgt. I would have kicked their asses.

            They should have talked the people. Not got the K9’s out and pointed TAZERS at them. WTH!!!!

            I wasn’t there but what I saw was very unprofessional, these guys give good cops a bad name. Cops HA! these guys aren’t cops the just dress the part. People don’t understand this, and think cops act like this. Like I said these guys aren’t cops!

            Those BLM guys were very lucky they didn’t get the shit kicked out of them for pointing tazers and knocking a female to the ground. I was waiting for one of them turds to pull a Flag out of some ones hands.

            Its not over! Just a warning to the Feds. There had better not be anything happen to the Great folks in Nevada, and the Militia that came to help.

            WE WILL BE WATCHING. DON’T PISS WITH US. YOU ONLY SAW A TIP OF THE ICE BERGE, THAT SHOWED UP. THERE IS MANY MANY MORE THAT WAS GETTING READY TO GO. IT WON’T TAKE LONG TO GET ON THE ROAD. BAGS ARE PACKED!!!!!!!
            A.S.M.S.
            Sgt.

            • the renegade braveheart

              Red Leader and Sarge, let’s also remember those are FEDS we’re talking about and we already know their mentality and that they are not to be trusted. I saw that video and wasn’t surprised but still disgusted all the same. Plus, the LE relatives in my family have never been anything like feds either. Let the BLM try their BS here in Memphis. There’s a neighborhood only 200 yards from my home that if they went rolling in there with their BS, they would be handed their asses to them on a silver platter. And God help them if they came to my place.

            • lastmanstanding

              Sgt. it is easy for the gub to hire a bunch of dumb fucks with a 40 iq, tell them that they are leo, arm them to the teeth with gear with hard-earnings of the last of hard-working citizens.

              Only place in the world that a bunch of shit heads can get a job that pays far more than most…being an enforcer for the US Gub.

              The division has been going on for decades.

              Stay safe brother…thanks for your comments.

            • Cat Herder

              Sgt. Dale, Renegade – et al: There is a Facebook posting going viral as we write. The “purported” pull back by the BLM is / was a ruse to gauge the response of the Nation as a whole to this event. Insider sources state that the Military utilized drones to eavesdrop on the communications and facial recognition systems were employed.
              Stay alert…that Nevada rancher’s problems are far from over…and, sad to say, this Country’s problems are only beginning to get worse…
              Be safe, watch your six, and for what it’s worth – your overhead…
              Cat

        • Tom

          You’re right. The FED thugs will be back. If not there, somewhere else. The response will have to be the same to these goons. The FED goons have been humiliated and they will want revenge. I believe the next confrontation will be the opening salvo of the Second American Revolution.

        • nosuchuser

          Maybe the feds learned their lesson from waco and didn’t want to have another bloodbath on the news?

          In the long run he’s well and truly fucked. He has been grazing his cattle free of charge on our (American citizen’s public property) land. He has in fact been enriching himself at our expense by violating our trust. Yet another taker in a long list of them.

          While the feds may have decided that an armed showdown wasn’t in anybody’s interest they will eventually get their pound of flesh + interest.

          • the renegade braveheart

            Nosuchuser, Bundy is NOT a welfare person, so go somewhere else with that lie.

            • sixpack

              looks like fbp to me.

        • 1940justme

          If 4-5 million had went out there, then it would be a show of force, a few hundred is just a dog and pony show and the government backed off to pick a better time, some cold rainy night the ranch will be hit just like the place in Killian Texas, all over in an hour, nothing but ashes and the farmer will be blaimed

        • Matt

          Shouldn’t have ended the story with that pic. Overall a victorious story.

        • Anonymous

          Congratulations militia members you’ve just identified yourselves as targets. It was a false flag to draw out the possible future disobedient citizens.

          • VRF

            If that’s true, they just showed the feds they are not to be messed with …if you ask me

            so bring it

        • PKLauLau

          Dang it Mac, I sent out an alert hours ago from the Bundy Ranch about needing people to come back at the top here….where is it?

          PKLL

      • Lori

        PRAISE GOD !!!!!

      • PKLauLau

        Just got this mail from a friend who has had friends there for the last several days…

        “We have several friends stuck in the traffic heading there and they have been passed by mobile tactical units and empty prisoner transport busses on the shoulder of the freeway. I am not optimistic that the BLM is actually backing down. About 25 miles from the ranch they are turning people around and have closed the freeway.”

        It may not be over…
        PKLL

        • Kulafarmer

          Yea, was at the range this morning, 200 yds zero, decent groups, not my best but,,, chronographed velocities, entered data int my ballistic program not the best but im ready to blow holes in anything up to about 500 yds away,
          100 heads still stands,

        • Confederate

          Beware the trojan horse.

        • sixpack

          You might want to tip that to Alex Jones, he has people on the ground there and they are getting word in and out.

          That is something they NEED to know at ground zero.

          • PKLauLau

            Good idea six…I’ll do…

          • sixpack

            whomever thumbed down getting info to Alex Jones, you need to remember there is something going on here, more important than your hatred of Alex.

            If AJ has the means to WARN patriots there of some possible disaster, through his people on site, then we should get the tip to him…put your petty issues aside and think about other people for a change.

            …PS…Remind me not to have people like YOU on MY recon team…idiot.

        • sixpack

          So…those friends who had people there, were those the same friends who were reporting this ON THEIR WAY to Nevada, or were those different friends? They can’t be “there” and stuck in traffic (for several days) at the same time, can they? Please clarify.

          • PKLauLau

            Hey six….friends were there for several days reporting back….they had other friends who were trying to come up to support but were stuck in traffic and saw the prison buses and tactical vehicles racing along the road skirt to pass the stopped traffic. They (other friends) were turned away and told to go home because the Feds had closed the freeway.

            Hope that makes more sense…

            PKLL

            • sixpack

              Okay, my bad, thanks.

            • Mountain Trekker

              I cannot believe that anyone one would let the FEDS close the FREEWAY. Where are the Patriots? Somebody should have blasted their way right on through, the Freeway don’t belong to them. Now with the victory at the Ranch and the lose on the Freeway. It looks like (Patriots 1–Feds 1) This is getting interesting. Trekker Out.

              • lastmanstanding

                Nice find MT…it is easy for the gub to find human drones when you can just print money out of thin air to pay for more of them.

                They never come away with nothing in their treasonous forays.

        • John W.

          Just consider the way they treated ninety year old veterans during the shut down. I would also bet that this is not over just a redeployment and better get ready for some real serious shit. I get the feeling that they are now so arrogant that shooting into a crowd would not bother them at all. let us hope that is not the case.

      • European American

        “Excellent news! Us – 1 Them – 0”

        From the same corrupt group that first introduced us to their form of “shock and awe” in the middle east, I suspect your score only reflects the bottom of the first inning.

        They’re just playing with us. Testing the waters. Experimenting. Militias are truly going to have to become “minute” men/women, to keep up with their strategies and tactics. All of America has become a War Zone. The “front” can break out anywhere. Wait till the bring the “”Big” guns out.

        • wrong

          EA

          I agree. I never said it was over just that we seemed to have “won” this round. I was pretty proud to see it all the same.

          • John W.

            The NDAA gives them all the leverage they need.

        • European American

          To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public.
          Date: Saturday, 12 April 2014
          Time: 1840 ET
          To: Steve Quayle
          From Doug Hagmann

          At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following:

          1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but “identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.”
          2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;
          3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;
          4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.

          This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.

          Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1) “securing clear title” to the land, and (2) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.

          A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL!

          Apr 12, 2014

          • Night Breaker

            EA,
            This sounds plausible it follows standard battle field accessement it is apparent these types of operations are bing run as military type operations utilizing c3i ( command , control , communications and intelligence) . One must remember there still are Quality individuals working in the system that still are on the American people’s side . TPTB will be shocked when only out 5% of their force follow orders . I can state many will not fire on or go after the public we took an oath to defend against all enemies both foreign and domestic it means something.
            They can put survailence on us as much as they want it will not change anything. We are everywhere their assets will be pretty tied up , they are only seeing what we want them to see.
            They (TPTB) are stuck in the 1990’s idea of a milita , unfit backward etc that they try to categories us as . The thing is they are only seeing the tip of the iceberg , the new US citizens defense force is professional , well trained. ( tactical firearms , communications , small unit tactics ) and LAW ABIDING ( per the US constitution) quality people of good charactor it has a developing command and control element . Many participants are combat veterans , retired law enforcement, and by people who have done this professionally (high level armed forces command further information excluded for OPSEC) . with a concern of the direction our country is going.

            What I am trying to say is there are citizens out there willing to act as a buffer between a government run amuck and out of constitutional restraint to prevent tradgeties from occurring.
            In the beginning of this country community defense and aid was achieved by citizens soldiers from all walks of life banding together for the common defense of the community , as it states in the US constitution 2 admendment a well regulated militia ( well trained , well drilled citizens ) being necessary to the security of a free state ( citizens access to arms for defense , not a standing army answerable to no one at the local level , no one man can have the absolute power over all) the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed ( self explanatory).
            What you saw yesterday is they way it is supposed to work and the reason for the second admendment. We are a government by the people and for the people , the whole American experiment is one of SELF. GOVERNANCE. The current regime in charge have forgotten this one point THEY SERVE US NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

            Things are changing it will never go back to the status quo , eternal viligence will be required ..
            The altmedia and citizen reporters kept the communication lines open it performed beautifully
            ( twitter , videos alt reporters ) to keep what was OCCURING on target when you actually show what is happening for all to see no rumors or propaganda can take hold , those responsible for this can take quite a bow your commitment was both groundbreaking and commendable. It was above and beyond the call off duty . Your are modern day Paul Revere’s .

            There is more than meets the eye to what has been done but we have a long way to go but remember in the end

            THEY LOOSE WE WIN

            RESIST

            III%

            Semper Fi 8541
            One proud Marine Today
            OOORA

            • islander

              square on the head my friend . And thank you for what you have done and will do

            • jerrytbg

              It’s always a comfort to know that while I have someone’s six, there is some one who has mine and some one has yours…

              So as always down the line we have no fear, that there is some one to back us or bury us with dignity…
              We deserve no less… Godspeed to all.

          • sixpack

            EA, read that last night. I feel absolutely no emotion towards a govt that thinks it’s “toying” with it’s citizens.

            I guess we’ll see who is toying with whom.

            On a similar note, I was reading about another episode of the people trying to oust the new, unelected puppet govt in Ukraine. In the report as follows :

            “Avakov already announced “zero-tolerance policy towards armed terrorists” in Slavyansk and the deployment of anti-terrorist troops in the city on Saturday morning. However no action materialized, as security troops reportedly refused to follow an order to attack protesters.”

            I guess the Ukrainian SWAT equivalent had the sense to refuse to attack their own people, UNLIKE our BLM (and company).

            Everyone keeps talking smack about Ukraine, but apparently, the FEDs could stand a few lessons from them on the issue of RESTRAINT and BLIND OBEDIENCE. I believe the BLM would’ve started shooting, had it not been for some unseen person calling it off. They are mindless attack dogs and nothing more.

            I heard all kinds of initial talk about the idea of CHINA taking us over in the newest version of the movie “Red Dawn” and thought, well, somebody has to be the bad guy. The invading army was changed from Chinese to North Korean in order to maintain access to China’s box office.

            Perhaps they should’ve taken the box office hit and left China in as the bad guy…it was apparently, more accurate.

      • retired

        Sounds like great news,the return of the “Minute Men” after 239 years.
        I have 2 questions to ask
        1)will this victory,on the part of the people,set a precedent for future grassroot actions against the abusive power of the government in Washington.
        2)Will this dishonest deal by Harry Reid be investigated or will information about it be suppressed & buried by the establishment?

        • Kulafarmer

          1. One can only hope this is the biginning of the fall of complacency
          2. These political waste material and their followers and assistants ALWAYS supress and deceive

          • sixpack

            But WE NEVER FORGET.

        • JayJay

          Will this dishonest deal by Harry Reid be investigated or will information about it be suppressed & buried by the establishment?

          Hot damn…investigated by whom?? They are all corrupt, evil snakes!!

      • Walt Kowalski

        Durango Kid will be so disappointed.

        • sixpack

          He must be changing his drawers right now…just give him a few minutes and he’ll be back.

          • sixpack

            THERE HE IS—DK!

        • durango kidd

          Walt: I am not disappointed that no one was injured. I am disappointed that so many of you are blinded by your hate for OUR government that you refuse to recognize the real issue in Nevada:

          A Lessee breaking his Lease with the Lessor, and then defrauding the property owner by grazing his cattle upon the property owner’s land.

          That property owner is US. 🙂

          • JayJay

            Dk–go preach somewhere else.
            I can’t find the link now, but I read one councilwoman reporting that 70% of her state was taken…who gains??
            Not the tax payers, that’s for sure.

            • durango kidd

              JayJay: I have the right of FREE SPEECH, or is that right reserved only for people who agree with you? 🙂

              I do NOT favor the land grabs by the Federal government and the excessive use of “Monuments” by Presidents to withdraw the People’s land from the People in sympathy with Agenda 21. They already own or control most of the land in the West.

              With that said, understand that once these vacant lands are returned to the State governments, corporate interests will be sucking them up like a sponge unless the People engage their employees at every level of government.

              I donate to Public Lands For The People. Do you? 🙂

              • European American

                Let’s face it. It’s not at all hard to side with the rancher, being that his opposition is the Tyrannical Fascist System, here. However, DK has a point, that should not be overlooked. I pulled this comment from another site and it had the highest “thumbs up” rating of them all. (Just another perspective to consider).

                “When I lived out west, there were lots and lots of ranchers, loggers and farmers who had an entitlement attitude. They characterized themselves as rugged individualist, but in fact gorged at the public trough. Subsidies for everything they got. All you had to do was to look at the houses they lived in and it became crystal clear. Scum bucket parasites.”

                Again, I’m ready to see a peaceful or violent rebellion take place in this country to put a stop to a “government gone wild”. But to place the Rancher as the hero in all this is conjecture on our parts. Those who came to his aid, though, are clearly the real heros here. And that’s an inspiring relief for all of us during these dark times.

                • sixpack

                  ” All you had to do was to look at the houses they lived in and it became crystal clear. Scum bucket parasites.”” — sounds like jealousy to me. If you own several million dollars worth of land, run millions of dollars worth of beef, ya don’t usually live in a fucking shack.

                  I’ll bet he said the same thing when he drove by the ghetto—” All you had to do was to look at the houses they lived in and it became crystal clear. Scum bucket parasites.””

                • LSB

                  scum-bucket parasites my ass…my son is a logger in Oregon. He runs a crew. Has been logging for about 17 years. He hasnt gotten raises that he deserves. He drives the crummy full of other loggers sometimes 3 hrs one way to get to job site. No pay for that. He lost his house to the bank. Now he and family live in 2 RV’s. His wife works at costco. They live a very frugal life. So my advice to you is…don’t believe everything you read.

              • PKLauLau

                DK:

                I donate to causes like Oathkeepers to keep my country free and support the constitution. Do you?

                PKLL

                • durango kidd

                  Yes!!!

              • JayJay

                No. I don’t. But I don’t condone sending aid to 152 countries either.
                If I had a choice of welfare moochers or countries that hate us and would think nothing of slicing our throats, I’d choose the welfare moochers.
                At least they are our families, our neighbors.

                And guess what??
                I AM one of those persons that gives; but I choose to give within my community when someone needs a hand.
                I believe in starting at home; therefore, I gave to the militia to help restore our freedoms, our right to protect our lands.
                To-may-to or to-mah-to–it is still our land that needs protecting.
                Arguing that Bundy owes fees does not take away from the theft of his cattle, the attempted theft of mineral rights that belong to Nevadans, and attempted theft of Nevadan land.

                • durango kidd

                  Bundy’s cattle were not being stolen. They were being EVICTED because after 20 years and numerous Court judgments against him, he refused to voluntarily remove his cows.

                  Sheriff Deputies in their respective counties evict people every day in America who refuse to leave the premises after eviction by the Courts. These deputies are armed.

                  Are WE to dispense with legitimate legal processes that keep a balance in society between commercial parties for the sake of one Rancher?

                  Bundy’s cattle should be confiscated and sold at auction as allowed by law. And guess what? They will be. More than that, the Manager of BLM should be fired for allowing this clusterfuck to continue for 20 years.

                  Rancher Bundy has had his day in Court several times. I suspect, but don’t know if that includes a jury trial. Notice that BLM hired contract cowboys to round up Bundy’s herd. If he had the support of other ranchers they would not have hired on.

                  I doubt that local Ranchers who do pay their grazing fees have supported him in his boycott of payment over the past twenty years. I don’t see a Cattleman’s Association in Nevada standing up behind Bundy claiming that the FED’s are out of line. Do you?

                  I also suspect and I am willing to bet, that other Ranchers are lining up to lease that land from BLM as soon as Bundy is removed from that Taxpayer property.

                  Do you believe that 157,000 ranchers who now pay grazing lease fees in America should have a FREE lunch? If so, how about miners, large and small? Can I take your opinion to BLM and tell them that US Taxpayers believe I should get my minerals FREE? 🙂

                • LSB

                  Sorry for sounding nasty above post.

                • NetRanger

                  Gee, DK, one has to wonder why legit law enforcement was not involved in this? I mean, it was the sheriff, standing with Bundy, that really called it off. Now, if this was a lawful action, does it seem normal that the sheriff would call it off?

                  …or are you still of the opinion that Clive does not own the land? Did you read any of the links I posted for you?

                  Do you understand what forage rights and water rights are in relationship to range fees? I truly hope you are getting a clue, but it really does not look like it.

              • Night Breaker

                Dk ,
                You are missing the point this has nothing to do with grazing rights , it has to do with what happened. Police dogs , tasers etc on unarmed protesters , out of control federal agents ( BLS is NOT an armed service they we actually violating federal laws with the positioning of marksmens ( they do not deserve the Sniper title unless they earn the tab , Being a HOG you Marine scout snipers out there know what I mean ) on over watch . The real story is he was paying double for the same land both the state and BLS were contesting ownership of the land , the money paid was being kept in ecarow pending the outcome of a court decision , they just decided not to wait and went after the rancher instead . This is happening all over the country the govenment is changing the rules as they go and presenting it as the fact that the have authority over the state.

                I would not be suprised if that ranger team is investigated by the Dept of interiors Inspector Generals office for their actions , it is obvious they incited the crowd toward confrontation then rapidly lost control of the situation ,the immediate supervisor in charge should be removed / suspended pending review of his actions , it would be interesting to obtain a copy of an after action report . The county sheriff should file a complaint , he should have been notified of an action taking place in his county , I really think the county should issue summons to the federal officers to explain why they did not follow required protocalls. EVEN DHS IS REQUIRED TO DO THIS BEFORE INITIATING ACTIONS on the local and state level , you must have permission when operating outside of your area ( non federal areas) last I looked the ranch was private property and rules apply to the county and state level ( LOCAL RULE) .

                Semper Fi 8541

          • yourmotherwaswrong

            @the durango kidd

            You’ve got it all wrong. You meant to say:

            A Lessee breaking the Lease with the Lessor, and then defrauding the the Lessor (surface rights owner) with Agenda 21 tactics.

            Isn’t that what you meant to say? No??

            I thought you were opposed to Agenda 21 DK???

            • durango kidd

              YMWW: I am very opposed to Agenda 21. The grazing rights issue in Nevada with Rancher Bundy is not an Agenda 21 issue. It is a business dispute between a renter and the property manager on behalf of the owner (US)

              Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees, probably at the end of the year prior to renewal as fees are due every year by the end of the year. Therefore he did not renew his lease. No payment, no lease. Without a lease his cattle are trespassing.

              You shoot trespassers don’t you? 🙂

              • PKLauLau

                DK….again I know this is pointless and like talking to the Old Guy but….

                Can’t you pull you head out of your arse and see the bigger picture? This is not about grazing fees…..

                PKLL

                • durango kidd

                  PKLL: Its ALL about grazing fees, or rather the lack of them, and for 20 years.

                  Where is the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association claiming that Bundy is being railroaded by the FEDs? Are they providing any financial support for legal counsel for this Rancher?

                  I doubt it.

                  In 1993 when he stopped paying grazing fees, Agenda 21 was just a gleam in Pelosi’s eye. Its ALL about grazing fees. 🙂

                • durango kidd

                  The fucking tortoise didn’t become an issue until 1998, FIVE YEARS after Bundy stopped paying grazing fees. But Bundy didn’t stopped grazing at the public trough!!!

                  This is not an Agenda 21 issue folks. Bundy is a crook!! 🙁

                • PKLauLau

                  DK: “In 1993…Agenda was just a gleam in Pelosi’s eye..”

                  You are delusional and just hung yourself….Agenda 21 has been on a slow, steady train since the early part of the century…just called something else at the time. It’s ALL agenda 21 and has been all along…..

                  No need to reply, you have lost all credibility in my book….

                  PKLL

              • WonHungLo

                DK starts with the premise that the government’s claim to the land is valid.

                • durango kidd

                  WHL: That is MY fucking land, just because I said so!!! 🙂

                • NetRanger

                  DK,

                  In my state (and its WAY more developed than Nevada), if I find a spot of land, and continually do something to it for 7 years like plow it, build on it, park on it, drive on it, camp on it, with no opposition, etc, its mine.

                  Doubt me? Then you need to talk to the court house in the county next door.

                  The church that I attend has been in existence for about 130 years. If was moved to its current spot in 1920. After several years it was determined that we needed more parking. The neighboring land owner wasn’t using the land to the south. We asked if we could park on it. One thing led to another and today the area is a nice, white rock parking lot.

                  Over the years the land owner that allowed us to park there died, new owners bought, they sold, another owner who has no clue what has happened owns the land, so he thinks.

                  So the land next to the church was subdivided and the first lot south of the church had a house built on it. After closely examining his deed and his survey, new owner said we were tresspassing. It was his parking lot and demanded that we show a deed. Of course we cuold not. It was never deeded to us. We told the court house and they had no records of any permission or transfer, etc. After telling them the story the court house said the land is ours and the neighbor out of luck (and about a half acre). Under common law we now own the parking lot.

                  Theoretically, if the Bundy family has been using this land in a common law way (grazing cattle would qualify) for more than 7 years, the BLM can go pound sand.

                  Many things are this way. The government doesn’t like to admit it, but, all of its titles and laws are really bullshit. When it comes down to it, if we support Bundy enough it doesn’t matter what their color of law shitstains say. If no one has standing to oppose his claim, they are SOL.

                  The tortoise bullshit was for standing not for the environment.

                  I thought you knew this stuff? Is your business land? …and no, you can’t just “say” its yours for 7 years. You have to do something with it. You are embarassing yourself again.

                • durango kidd

                  NR: I understand the concept of Adverse Possession. AP does not apply in Bundy’s case. AP must be “open and notorious and continuous” in Arizona. It must also be uncontested.

                  Bundy stopped paying his grazing right fees in 1993. His continued use of the land for his cattle did not go “unnoticed” (open) by BLM and I am sure that the first Court case against Bundy occurred prior to 2000. That Complaint by BLM severed any time frame for Adverse Possession to succeed by a squatter (Bundy).

                  When he refused to comply with a BLM request to Vacate he became a Trespasser, and when he refused to comply with a Nevada Court Order he became a criminal. Bundy has brought all of this upon himself.

                  Unfortunately he has now dragged the Liberty Movement into his personal vendetta against the BLM, in a situation that the People cannot win because the legal issues are clear and align with the FEDs.

                  Let me remind you that there are 157,000 Ranchers in America who pay their legitimate grazing fees to the FED’s. Is that a “poll”? Are these Ranchers voting with their wallet?

                  It will end in the death of innocents on both sides for a cause that is neither legal nor just; and it will damage the credibility of the Liberty Movement. 🙁

            • the renegade braveheart

              Good evening, Yo Mama. DK has really disappointed me being so 2-faced. On one hand he’ll acknowledge that certain actions of government are wrong then on the other hand defend those same illegal and unconstitutional actions. he can’t see the forest for the trees.

              • durango kidd

                RB: You disappoint me because you are so blinded by your hatred for OUR government (and with good reason I might add) that you cannot discern the real issue in Nevada and the SCAM that Bundy is perpetrating upon the Liberty Movement.

                Rancher Bundy is not Rosa Parks.

                When the Liberty Movement uses a PRETEXT in their quest for Freedom and Justice, then they are no better than the PTB who use False Flags and Euphemisms to advance their Agenda. Nevada is NOT a Constitutional issue. If you think so, explain how it is a Constitutional issue. We can debate that.

                The issue in Nevada is a commercial issue. A business issue, plain and simple. Don’t get sucked into supporting a thief who is picking your pocket while he uses your patriotism for his profit.

                Events in Nevada will not end well for Rancher Bundy and no one should make a martyr out of a thief when he is killed. Nevada is NOT Ruby Ridge or Waco where innocents were killed.

                It would be like making a war hero out of Pat Tillman when he was killed by friendly fire at close range because he was too gung ho for the troops he led.

                Engage your employees at every level of gvernment, but where the Constitution clearly supports your actions. 🙂

              • PKLauLau

                BH:

                The dis-info trolls or completely stupid people are making me tired. I’m so tired I’m actually engaging with them….

                I guess I’m the stupid one…

                PKLL

                • Kulafarmer

                  PK,
                  Just ignore Old Guy and DK
                  They have their opinions and will argue them till after the cows come home,
                  They wont get it till its too late,
                  To that i say too bad so sad dont care!
                  I cant understand being ok with servitude.

                • PKLauLau

                  Amen Kula…

                • the renegade braveheart

                  PKLL, you’re NOT stupid. DK has been totally brainwashed by govt. He can’t see the forest for the trees. He’s the problem, NOT you. Your posts sound very good to me.

                • PKLauLau

                  BH: Thanks….people here are making me crazy….see other posts at end of this thread, some good stuff.

                  I have sent ALERTS from the Bundy ranch this afternoon, they need people to come back and I can’t find them here. I posted them at the top….

                  MAC!!!!

          • Walt Kowalski

            I never meant that you wanted to see someone hurt. Don’t read into my statement more than is there.

            I think you’re disappointed that the BLM backed off.

            I think you need to realize that your precious government started this nonsense….and they started it years ago.

            I’ve tried to educate you on what has been happening out west (and it’s been going on for over 20 years now), with the environmentalist-whacko groups using legalized extortion to force ranchers…and others off lands they have been on for generations.

            But you’re having none of it.

            To you…it’s just another financial transaction. And if the government uses dishonesty and trickery to accomplish their goals…..well then, that’s just too bad. Sucks to be the rancher.

            This government does this kind of stuff every day to other Americans all across this country. (Again….watch the FOX special “Enemies of the State” for reference.)

            Much of this has been because of legislation, but much of it has also been as a result of fiat regulations by alphabet agencies.

            You always spout your mantra of “engage”.

            Well….the Bundy family did just that. And you don’t like it nearly as much as you like to claim.

            That’s why you’re just another government hack. Oh…you may not be employed by them, but somewhere along the line, you either derive your livelihood by something the government provides, or you have some other interest.

            In any case….you are on the wrong side of this issue. And I find it particularly revealing.

            This is why I say that there is a part of me that’s glad when these kind of events take place. Because it reveals who is really on the right side…and who just talks about it.

            • durango kidd

              Walt: I don’t have any skin in the situation in Nevada. It is not a Constitutional issue. It is not a Freedom issue. It is a commercial issue. Bundy has successfully manipulated the deep resentment that the American People have for their government; particularly I think, people in the West, for his advantage.

              Walt, do you think EVERY rancher in America (157,000) that leases land for their cattle to graze from US should stop paying those fees and continue to graze on Taxpayer land? Do you think it fair for a rancher to claim 300,000 acres of Taxpayer land as his own?

              How about about miners, big and small? Do you think they should be able to develop these lands without paying any fees or royalties? Do I have your permission to claim all the land and minerals that I mine as my own and say “Fuck the American Taxpayer”?

              Would that be fair and equitable to your mind? 🙂

              • Walt Kowalski

                And you still haven’t done the research on the REAL issues with western grazing and land use issues, have you?

                Come back when you actually know what you’re talking about…or at the very least, have a look at NetRanger’s post farther down this page.

                • durango kidd

                  Walt: I have looked at NR post and have asked him to supply links to official documents that would support Bundy.

                  Bundy himself says he doesn’t own the land.

                  If he doesn’t own the land and if he had been making payments for grazing fees, then when he stopped making his annual grazing fee payment, he had voluntarily released any claim upon the land; unless NR can produce legal documents that evidence otherwise.

                  I also doubt that his Lease Agreement stipulates that BLM would cut roads, build fences etc as has been stated. These Agreements allow the Lessee to do these things but at their own expense and those rules require the lessee to inform the BLM of those activities. I know because I cut a road on BLM land for my mining operation at my own expense and with their acknowledgement.

                  Somehow I doubt that this guy owns the mineral and water rights to this land: more than 300,000 acres as someone has stated here. If he did he would not be withholding Chump Change grazing fee payments.

                  No, this man is a thief masquerading as a Patriot and Liberty Lover to dupe the public for his personal benefit. The saddest part of it all is that sincere, well meaning, and patriotic liberty lovers have been fooled. Can you say “Bernie Madoff”? Its a scam Walt. 🙁

                • NetRanger

                  DK,

                  I find it odd that you demand links and evidence while at the same time provide none of your own.

                  The fact is, I could have a vast array of links and evidence, had I recorded it at the time of reading over the past week. When you study something and you finally understand it, you do not necessarily write down notes so that you can PROVE it later.

                  The fact is this: the story has been told and what you are fantasizing is nothing more than an opinion. What frosts my ass is that you appear to only be reading the cherry picked establishment information and basing your opinions on those. Even the establishment aknowledges what I am saying.

                  I have not seen the documents. I have not read the court cases. Have you? So, to day I have first hand evidence of anything would be a stretch. But my guess is that you read one or two head lines and made an assumption. This whole situation with the Bundy naysayers reminds me, once again, of the Zimmerman vs. Trayvon mess. The people that sided with Trayvon cherry picked and believed what they wanted. The people that sided with Zimmerman read EVERYTHING.
                  I’ve read everything. There is very little information convicting Bundy. There is some neutral stuff. The overwhelming information shows that Bundy is in the right. Did you read ANYTHING but a headline or two and then make assumptions? I call that Trayvonism. A fantasy of a 12 year old, cute, innocent Trayvon. (As a side note, I pissed of many people that sided with Trayvon when I quoted pieces of the open court case that TRAYVON’S OWN PEOPLE ASSERTED. Most people that sided Trayvon did it out of fantasy. It goes to show the power of a picture when one was, more or less, young and innocent, has.)

                  Frankly, your assertions that my narrative is lacking facts is the perfect example of “The Pot Calling The Kettle Black”.

                  After seeing your fantasy and misguided posts on here, I have to wonder who the hell you are. I’ve seen some very good posts by you in the past. Did you have some personality altering brain surgery? Frankly, your posts are schizophrenic. I do not wish to attack you personally, but, DK, are you OK?

                  The fact is, few people understand property rights. They don’t understand rights period and since way less than 50% of people actually own property in the states of The Union, except on paper, the subject of property rights is a foreign concept.

                  Your assertion that he does not own the grazing rights, water rights (and possibly mineral rights, as stated by Ranchers Wife), is simply blather that you can’t substantiate. Its written everywhere, their claims. They’ve claimed it in court and won. Do you think the BLM would have let him get away with this for 20 years if they had legal standing? No. 20 hours, maybe. They finally bought off a judge (mostly opinion but stands to reason) to emit some shitstained paper (a court order with appeal denied) and thought it was go time. (BTW, any court order that denies appeal spells “BRIBERY” to me.) Of course, it stands to reason that they would wand the appeal denied. Why? Every time they took Bundy to court, he would win on appeal because it would go up to the state court. Maybe this BRIBERY is not such of an OPINION after all.

                  So, here is a long list of articles you need to read. Not even the BLM is disputing what I say. Even they do not dispute that Bundy has those grazing rights, water rights (and possibly mineral rights), they are just doing what thay want like good a little statist organization does. They buy off a judge (opinion, not fact) and they’re on their way. I am compelled to read your posts because of past respect but I have been embarrassed for you each time. People that do not understand the situation at all (like YOU) should not be posting definitive opionons about things they (obviously) do not understand. You do not understand “range fees” on land where you own “grazing rights” and you, frankly, do not appear to understand rights or even leasing of those rights.

                  My post was condensed research. If you want the raw material, well, here it is. Its going to take me some time to gather it and backtrack, but, here you go:

                  It starts out with the BLM breaking the law. If they have to break the law to get someone to obey the law, thats a problem:

                  http://truthfarmer.com/2014/04/12/more-back-story-on-cliven-bundy-blm-war/

                  http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/bundy_ranch_the_federal_government_and_the_nevada_water_tipping_point.html

                  http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/

                  http://allenwestrepublic.com/2014/04/11/the-real-story-behind-the-bundy-ranch-harassment-with-dana-show-dloesch/

                  http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/

                  …and there are plenty more.

                  So, here you go: if you want to find out and understand you can ready my posts or you can read the links, I don’t care which. But, please stop posting. There is nothing more disgusting that someone posting stuff they are too ignorant to be embarrassed about.

                  So, there are my links, a few of them that I backtracked through my history. The fact is, I found NO SOLID EVIDENCE THAT CLIVE DID ANYTHING UNLAWFUL. Well, except from the BLM. They claim he didn’t pay his forage fees. This is true. This is the constitutional rights problem that you, DK, seem bound and determine to ignore. HE OWNS THE LAND. No, he doesn’t own it fully.

                  For all of you to understand this more thoroughly, here is an example:

                  If you and I owned a 100 acre piece of property and we decided to split it. I own the back half. You own the front half. The front half has a small river running through it that cannot be accessed without crossing your half of the property. I need water. When we split the property, we made a legal agreement that I would have the right to access the creek via a right-of-way along the north edge of the east half of your property, say a 20ft right of way.

                  10 years later, you die. Property is sold. New owner comes in. He decides to build a house right in the middle of the right of way with a sprawling yard and fences and all. Its his property, right? Now, he’s telling me I have to right to drive my water truck through his fences and his yard. Sorry new owner. You’re SOL. My water rights and ingress/egress rights pre-empt your ownership (and probably date of birth).

                  Don’t ask for links. I have none. What I do have is 25 years of research, 32 acres and 3 rights of way on my property.

                  It would also *NOT* discourage other people from posting something stupid as it would not give anyone a chance to educate them. What I complain about is that you should no better. I am dissapointed that you are not more astute on this issue.

                  Thanks, DK, for pissing me off and getting me to key this in.

                • durango kidd

                  NR: I am fine, thanks for asking! 🙂 I have read these links and stories and/or similar ones before. Nothing new, and no solid evidence. Mostly hearsay. I have based my analysis upon Bundy’s own statements and my knowledge of business law, real estate leases, and my personal experience with BLM.

                  I agree and have no doubt that NWO PTB interests want to steal the water for Casino Owners in Las Vegas. That is par for the course, er golf course.

                  I also have no doubt that the Tortoise is a Red Herring, but the Tortoise did not become an issue until 1998, FIVE YEARS after Bundy ceased paying his grazing fees. When he stopped paying his fees, for whatever reason, he lost the lease and legal access to the land for his herd. End of story.

                  I have run across these turtles in the desert (not within a hundred miles my mine of course) and I am not surprised that they are “endangered”, because they are really stupid.

                  I picked up one about to slip over a 200 foot drop and carried him or her a couple hundred yards from the danger and pointed him, or her, in a safe direction. The turtle turned around and marched directly toward the cliff.

                  Sometimes you can’t fix stupid. You just have to wait until the fat lady sings. 🙂

          • islander

            Hey dk , Bundy has my permission to graze his cattle on my land (public land)for free any day of the week

            • durango kidd

              Islander: I don’t and I, like you, have an UNDIVIDED interest in the land. He must have 100% permission or he has NO permission. 🙂

              • JustAnotherBubba

                I wonder how it is you think that you have any interest of any sort in this particular Nevada State land(beyond informational). It’s County land to be more precise.

                His developments predate and supercede their claim to the land and you don’t like it. He’ll pay the money to the rightfull recipient and no one else. We’ll help if need be.
                His county is where the money belongs; not suplementing your weasly federal tax evasion schemes of sucking up and kissing their boots to enrich yourself mining on other peoples land. You suck on all of our wallets and then call him wrong. Piss off jag off, he wasn’t costing us a dime until fucks like you got involved.

                He could have farmed that land for the next 10 generations on what has been spent so far.

          • ENFP

            DK, WE said BML go home, let the cattle go!

      • km

        To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public.
        Date: Saturday, 12 April 2014
        Time: 1840 ET
        To: Steve Quayle
        From Doug Hagmann

        At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following:

        1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but “identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.”
        2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;
        3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;
        4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.

        This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.

        Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1) “securing clear title” to the land, and (2) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.

        A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL!

        • PKLauLau

          Wow…

          PKLL

          • Kulafarmer

            PK,
            Is the Laulau like laulau you eat? Or something else, just curious,

            • PKLauLau

              Kula: LOL! I have often wondered about names here. Mine is just a pet name hubby calls me…. What is laulau that you eat? A Hawaiian thing right? I have often dreamed of seeing those beautiful islands….don’t think it’s ever going to happen though.

              The name that I spend the most time trying to figure out is jerrytbg. 🙂

              Jerry the bug
              Jerry t bag
              Jerry the big guy
              Jerry the bad guy….etc.

              PKLL

              • Kulafarmer

                PK,,,
                Yep a Laulau is a hawaiian delicacy
                Is fish, pork, and beef with a little sweet potato with pork fat, wraped in taro leaves then wraped in a piece of banana leaf then ti leaves and steamed, quite tasty,,, a little rock salt and poki (a raw fish salad or salsa of sorts) and some poi and your eatin good!
                Dont give up on seeing the islands, it is beautiful here, truly blessed,

                • PKLauLau

                  Kula: I changed my mind….after hearing that description, I AM named after this Hawaiian Delicacy! LOL!!!

                  If I ever get there, I’m not sure I’d ever go home. I have a thing for the ocean and open green spaces and fish and waterfalls and flowers and….you get the idea.

                  PKLL

              • jerrytbg

                jerry The Boat Guy…
                And if you had followed this site for any length of time you’d know that I’m an offshore sailor….
                30 years in the business and can solo sail any Marconi rig, sloop, ketch or yawl up to 50′. I might add, without a single insurance claim against my name. I’ve been entrusted with yachts worth over a half mil. FYI

                I’ll ignore the childish insults…

                • Ghost Rider

                  jerry; I don’t think she meant any offense to you.

        • JayJay

          Comment ID: 3007204

          This may be a big mistake–don’t poke a rattler.

        • the renegade braveheart

          KM, thank you for that update. I suspected something like that. And they’ll use to further their antigun agenda? again, no surprise there. If the feds are still feeling froggy, go ahead and jump. We’ll see who comes out on top.

        • Walt Kowalski

          @KM….

          So this in fact, was a probe?

          Makes perfect sense.

          Perhaps we should all acquire a copy of “The Art of War” by Sun Tzu.

          • km

            UPDATE FROM DOUG HAGMANN-10:31 PM EASTERN-4/13/14
            Special Note: As I stated in my report yesterday, additional information would be forthcoming today (Sunday). To those who object to the lateness of the hour for this report, it should be understood that I rely on my sources at their “convenience” (although convenience does not exist in the realm of exposing the agenda of the feds). Also, this is still a dynamic situation, meaning that federal assets and plans are still in play.

            Narrative: As indicated in my report dated yesterday, 12 April 2014, I have been in contact with my primary source within the DHS as well as a secondary source outside of the DC area on multiple occasions throughout today. It is important for people to understand that the “breakdown” of the federal exercise is nearly as methodical and time consuming as the run-up to their arrival. The situation is still fluid, and there are federal assets still being debriefed.

            Based on the information obtained from both sources who are known to this investigator but who are requesting anonymity for obvious reasons, however, the federal initiative to claim the land at the center of controversy in Nevada remains intact. Perhaps the most important information derived from both contacts is that the situation is not over. In the words of the DHS source, “they [the BLM and other support agencies] will be back.”

            According to both sources, plans are being made to physically return on or about the date of the “American Spring,” which is scheduled for 16 May 2014. The purpose for choosing that date or approximate time period should be obvious. The most vocal and visible leaders of the patriot movement will be busy organizing and attending the DC event. It is during this period that the BLM and support agencies, by way of their physical presence combined with court actions, is intended.

            Additionally, I was advised by a separate intelligence source that it is important for us in the patriot movement to understand that the situation is much more important to the federal government than just the visible components , or the stand-off, at the Bundy ranch alone. Consider the following:

            · The current leadership wants to create [2014] as “the summer of rage.” They are astutely aware of the difference in public perception between the rural population and the urban areas, and intend to shape public perception against the patriot movement. They are already spinning the situation at the Bundy ranch into a “display of reasonableness” exhibited by the BLM, DHS and all federal agencies.

            · The current leadership is attempting to ramp up the rhetoric in the mainstream media about the dangers of the patriotic movement and the threat they posed to life, limb and liberty. Of course, this is untrue. The intent is to cast an even wider net of anti-gun ownership initiatives over those displaying such “radical” tendencies as shown at the Bundy ranch.

            · It is important to note that the intelligence source contacted by this investigator stressed that the leadership has every intention to stretch out future stand-offs and events, as such ultimately work to (or will be spun) to their benefit. It is their intent to “game the resolve and practicality of the people.

            · Additionally, it must be noted that Cliven Bundy is literally “the last man standing” in the way of this federal land grab. Over four dozen ranchers have fallen victim to the federal land grabs. Clear title to the state-owned land cannot be claimed unless and until all claims to that land, (the Bundy presence) can be removed. As many already know, the intent is for the federal government to hold clear title as collateral and ultimately conveyance to global interests. While many are aware of its value to Harry Reid and others, this is also about the resources under the ground.

            Additional updates will be provided as further data is developed from source – and not before.

            Apr 13, 2014

      • durango kidd

        If anyone thinks this is over with a Patriot win, they will be sadly mistaken. The FED’s are not going to let this Rancher ignore TWO Court orders and allow him to continue to run his cattle on Taxpayer land.

        Not gonna happen.

        While the FED stand down shows what Liberty Lovers, Patriots, and the People can achieve when they organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote …. by ballot or bullet …. the real issue here is not now, and never was, Free Speech Zones. That was a Federal mistake, as was the threat to shoot into the crowd.

        Those mistakes will not be repeated in the next round.

        This is not a victory for the People against a Tyrannical Government, even though WE have a Tyrannical Administration running OUR government. This is a victory for a Deadbeat Rancher who has successfully manipulated the People to support his theft via his non-payment of grazing fees.

        Would you folks here, and the Militia there, be so willing to get involved in the Nevada business dispute if it had been between two Ranchers, where Bundy was leasing that ground from a private owner? I don’t think so. I think everyone would recognize that it was a simple civil matter of the Lessee breaking his lease with the Lessor.

        And that is the real problem in this case. You folks and the Militia would be willing to support someone who is legally wrong just because it is an opportunity to strike out at a Government that you hate; and understandably, considering what OUR employees have down to US. I understand that, and that is why the FED stand down is not a victory for Liberty.

        It is not a victory for Liberty because it is not a victory for Justice. 🙁

        • Walt Kowalski

          You still haven’t taken the time to educate yourself regarding land use issues in the west as regards the Federal Government (via the BLM and USFS) and public use (both ranching and recreational).

          Like I said….it’s not that you are ignorant…it’s that so much of what you know isn’t true.

          • durango kidd

            Walt: I am well aware of land issues in the West as I donate to those Groups, like Public Lands for The People and others who are fighting for OUR land rights. Land is my business.

            There are many land and water conflicts in the West. Each of them has separate legal issues specific to the individual case.

            While I agree that the Federal Government is over reaching, grabbing American Trust Lands, and denying OUR access to OUR own lands, the issue in Nevada with Rancher Bundy is a commercial one and quite simple:

            Rancher Bundy has failed to make legitimate grazing fee payments for the use of Taxpayer lands, but continues to graze his herd on Taxpayer forage.

            Should the other 157,000 Ranchers in America who pay grazing fees be allowed to use Taxpayer forage for FREE? 🙂

            • durango kidd

              Walt: If your answer is yes, then there IS a free lunch in America, for kids and cows, but it would seem that the cows eat better! 🙁

              • John W.

                They drove/forced 52 other ranchers that were making their lease payments off their land. Stop being a troll and get an education. The missed lease payments could have been handled by a lien on his tax returns. There was no reason to call in snipers and other retards to handle a rancher who had made no threats. Just wait ass wipe your turn may come someday although as you are a fed insider and disinformation shill you are most likely one of the privileged.

                • durango kidd

                  John W: My “beef” is with Bundy. He has not been paying his grazing fees for 20 years. I do not have enough information about the cases of the other 56 ranchers to make a judgement.

                  I doubt that you do either. 🙂

                • durango kidd

                  John W: LMAO! Me, privileged? I grew up on fried potatoes and ketchup sandwiches. Peanut butter and jelly on a good day. 🙁

                • NetRanger

                  DK: So, what you are saying is that without the “grazing fees” Clive’s forage rights, water rights and mineral rights mean nothing?

                  If that is what you are saying, the STFU! You are as bad as the rogue administration that calls the shots for the BLM.

                  The fact is they would never have let it go this far if Clive did not have standing. Why are you shillin’ this so deep? I suddenly have a very bad feeling about you. Land is your business? Really? So what if I owned the mineral right to that ground? Bought it free and clear before the BLM. Can the BLM say, “I’m sorry Mr. Ranger, but this ground has turtles on it and we cannot allow you to get the minerals that you own from the land. You are just out of luck.” Are you saying they can do that? If that is what you believe then WHY THE HELL DID I BUY THE RIGHTS TO THE MINERALS? This isn’t Star Trek! I cannot BEAM them minerals out.

                  Clive owns forage rights. Whether you like it or not or the BLM likes it or not, you both are SHIT OUT OF LUCK. *HE* owns the right to run his cattle on the land. Those rights are pre-emptive because HE PURCHASED THEM! What you just can’t seem to understand is that it is HIS PROPERTY. No, he does not have full surface rights other than those needed to allow his cattle to forage. He also has the right to build roads and infrastructure to support his foraging operation.

                  What part of YOU ARE JUST PLAIN WRONG do you not understand?

                  HA! Under common law, he may not even have to have a piece of shitstained paper that shows he “owns” anything!

                  Read this, DK:

                  http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Environment/driving_them_1.htm

                • durango kidd

                  NR: Thanks for the link. Another deadbeat Rancher. It would appear that Gardner is and has been taking the same stance that Bundy has: that the BLM does not have jurisdiction over him or the land, and therefore he can run his cattle on Taxpayer land without paying grazing fees. It’s a great way to get a FREE lunch if you can get it, but …… BTW, again, Bundy does not claim ownership.

                  The State of Nevada and the Courts have ruled otherwise. Twice.

                  The correct process which would have protected both Rancher’s leasehold on the land would have been to challenge ownership and jurisdiction in the Courts while continuing to pay the fees; then ask for a return of fees, attorney’s fees, and “damages”.

                  I don’t know if they had a Jury Trial during these proceedings; but I would suspect that a jury trial could negate the Court’s ruling, and obviously these Rancher’s can have another day in Court with a Jury; if they have not had a jury trial yet. And Jury Trials are typical for financial disputes of this magnitude. It’s not a $1 million parking ticket.

                  If they had …… the judgement will stand. If and when a jury deliberates upon the issue, I have no doubt that it will come done to whether these Ranchers abandoned or forfeited their by non-payment.

                  It’s called “Due Process”. 🙂

        • mqg25

          Blah,blah,blah, “He ignored two court orders” Then parroting the media talking points..Parasite, deadbeat, ad nausem. Good job DK, your loving Government has about taken away most of our liberties where we are just about to the point of being serfs working for the Liege Lord. When they come to take your property, (oh yes your land, public or private, will be defaulted to foreign interest when the firesale begins), I will be wondering why one doth protest to much?

          • durango kidd

            mqg25: I have only read one article from LSM at CNN and that was today from a link supplied on this site from a comment here.

            My understanding of the Nevada situation comes primarily from Alt Media, Bundy himself, and my knowledge of business law, real estate law, contracts and lease law, and my personal experience with BLM.

            So if LSM is using those adjectives to describe Rancher Bundy, they are parroting me. Just so you have the facts. Unlike Alt Media Sheeple, I can think for myself!!! 🙂

      • mike lafontaine

        Just as i predicted in the last Article 7
        Federal Snipers Train Guns on Family… They pissed of enough of US and then we showed up in Force… The sad thing is we will see the Day when the fascist government will not back down and call in the troops.. Troops will you shoot your own people?? even if you are ordered ??

        • Kulafarmer

          Well my friend that will be the day that the tree of liberty begins to be fed once more.

      • Xcowboy

        I wouldnt use the pepper spray image. Those kids werent tied up. They actually volunteered to be sprayed. If you look at the raw footge from that incident, the kids had made a circle around police telling them that they could not leave with their prisoners. The police had yo choose between pepper spray and trying to carry their occupy prisoners over the heds of the chanting kids and injure somebody, they told the kids they would have to pepper spray part of the circle if the kids continued to encircle the police and refuse to move. Not only did the occupiers refuse to move, a geoup of kids volunteered to be pepper sprayed and dropped don in the spot relieving the kids ho had been there originally. They ented to look like martyrs, everybody screaming “dont hoot the children”! While the csupposed children were ll psyched and excited to be sprayed. That vop did the only thing he could do nd walked into a propaganda trap. Police brutality is real, but so is anti-police leftist propaganda and youve kind of mistaken one for the other. Best.

        • Nopittypartyhere

          True enough, however I’ve seen enough footage of excessive force on handcuffed unarmed individuals, that is this is the only photo Mac could find to illustrate his point, that okay.

        • Ghost Rider

          X; actually I believe you are wrong about that incident. The cop in that photo was reprimanded and discharged for his excessive use of force against peaceful protestors.

          GR

      • Mathchopper

        If this can happen with no shots fired, imagine what can happen WITH shots fired.

      • Mountain Trekker

        I’ve got an excellent idea. Why don’t we all register a “Brand” and each of use buy a 100 head of bred cows and take them to Bunkerville and release them with Clivens cattle since the grazing is free. The BLM may not like it, but it’s not their land and I’m sure Cliven won’t mind. We may have to pull them out a little early this fall cause the grazing may get a little thin, but that may depend on how many of us take advantage of this free land. Sure makes since to me. I know Clivens been there a long time so he’s entitled to 1000 head and since we’re new commers we’ll only start off with a 100 head. Can I get some input on this? Trekker Out.

        • RS

          Unfortunately bred cattle are about 1k/head. And most have calved already or are calving shortly. I like your thinking though.

          • NetRanger

            Sounds like a good idea, however, since we don’t own any forage rights or water rights, we’d be tresspassing *UNLESS* we could lease the rights for our 100 head to forage and drink. They are his rights to do with as he pleases. …not that the BLM will honor that, but under the law, it is truth.

            Of course we might want to check with someone whos “bussiness is land” and see if that would be a lawful thing to do.

            • Mountain Trekker

              NetRanger, your trying to insert Rule of Law. We don’t need forage rights or water rights. Most on this site seems to think that this land belongs to who ever wants to use it, and besides who would I have to lease this from. Bundy or the BLM. On another subject, where I live there is a lot of National Forest. Wonder if it would be alright to just cut some timber and build a log home since no one owns this timber or land. On second thought, there is BLM land less than 200yards from my house, guess I should put some cattle on it, don’t know if the rancher that pays a lease for it would mind. But maybe he hasn’t been making his lease payments either. Trekker Out. Freemen Own Guns, Slaves Don’t!

              • NetRanger

                You are incorrect and your understanding of what is and what isn’t is flawed.

                First, they were not “lease payments” they were “range fees”. Different. The BLM were trying to say they were lease payments, they were not. He has forage and water rights to the land that were purchased over 100 years ago and have been handed down from his grandfather, to his father and to him.

                How would you like it if your family had purchased “weekend camping rights” 100 years ago to the BLM land next to you. Then, one day, you’re pitching you tent with your kids and some BLM agent comes along and says, “Sir, we can’t allow you to do that. The squirmy wormy that inhabits these woods is a protected species and you cannot camp here anymore.”

                What would *YOU* do? Would it be “Oh, sorry sir.” and leave.

                What if your grandpa paid $60 for the camping rights in 1890? …and the BLM offered to buy you out for $60, would you take it? (Even considering that the $60 back then was 3 $20 goldpieces that would not be something like $5000?)

                You people that are beating this guy down DO NOT UNDERSTAND the situation. You’re using some type of citified land dispute paradigm that is for city lot surveying and enforcement.

                I don’t mean to be excessively harsh, but, many of you just look like total dumbasses when it comes to this situation. Sure, I’m anti-government but not because I’m anti-government. I’m anti-government because the bastards constantly break the law, color of law and common law. Besides, the BLM is a foreign interest asset. Get it? What the hell are they doing pushing a rancher around anyway?

                Read my posts before you go siding with anybody that says Clive just doesn’t want to pay his taxes. That is so wrong. You don’t udnerstand that he’s been paying them, just not to the BLM. He has the money, its not like he is poor.

                I think that is more the problem. The class warfare brainwashing has seeped into many of your brains. Clive is a rich man but, he is a rich man with rights. He may be rich but he’s one of us, not the elite. That is why they are trying to beat him down. That is why he deserves our help.

                This situation is not a pretext. This is real attempted property theft by the fedcoats, both directly (The Cattle) and indirectly (The Forage and Water Rights).

                • PKLauLau

                  Net Ranger: Your information is amazing. I appreciate the time and effort it takes to try and educate us….I have learned a lot.

                  Question: I have seriously pondered the suggestion by MT. Would it be reasonable to buy a cow for Bundy’s ranch (or whatever ranch is near you) build up his stock, let him keep the calves, let him manage the heard, then when it’s time to sell or make steaks, get a percentage of the sale or meat?

                  Is that even possible or reasonable? It seems like a good idea to me. Kinda win/win….

                  I don’t know anything about ranching, so forgive me if I’m way off base.

                  PKLL

                • PKLauLau

                  Net Ranger….read this post AFTER the one below….it was the only way to keep it close….

                  Further thought on “cow sharing”……if say hundreds of people bought cows for ranchers to manage, and the feds tried to pull whatever….there would be more people with a dog in the fight, a faster response by the people and people’s family and friends….because they are DIRECTLY threatening your property and food. There would be a swarm of armed patriots in an hour, not a day….also people would feel like they were part of the ranch community, even if they lived far away….community is what we need for what is coming….

                  Do you see where I’m going with this? Does it even make sense?

                  PKLL

                • PKLauLau

                  Net Ranger: Sorry, I’m like a dog with a bone…

                  Okay, what about pledging support (actually showing up) for your local rancher in exchange for steaks? Whether it’s armed or in court?

                  Comments anyone?

                  PKLL

                • durango kidd

                  NR: Common Law and three dollars will get you a cup of joe at Starbucks and a wife that wants half of everything you own! 🙂

                • the renegade braveheart

                  NetRanger, I agree with everything you have said. DK has it all wrong.

                • NetRanger

                  Not sure PK. You’d have to take that up with Clive. He’d have to figure the angle on the charges.

                  Were I to do that, I’d simply buy yearling calves and raise them for another year or two. If one had a cheap source of feed for over winter, you could buy, winter over, graze the next year then butcher in the fall.

                  Problem is, right now cattle are running above $100 (thats a per 100 pound price. Thats how they sell them. $s per 100). My father in law just purchased a couple calves and he had to pay $110. they were 500 pounders. He paid of $1100 dollars for the two. He didn’t want to winter them over last fall so he waited until now to get them. Wishes he hadn’t now.

                  I’d say mountain trekker’s idea could work but most ranchers really don’t want to mess with the general public.

                  When I managed cattle, 30 some years ago, our herd varied from 40 to 70 head. When the cows would calve, it would go up, but then we’d haul off the older cows and the 2 and 3 year olds and the herd would shrink. We’d keep the nice looking cows for breading stock, swapping bulls out ever 3 or 4 years to keep the genetics from degrading.

                  As I think back now, I knew every cow and every bull. When I would feed and haul and herd. Strange those memories so long ago. I did it for about 10 years from the time I was 11 years old. I was born into it. By the time I was 7 or 8 I was fixing fencline (we had about 10 miles of electric fence). Wow, the stories I could tell.

                  Here is one:

                  The cow that didn’t know she was a cow. April.

                  I found her on a cold April morning. She could barely stand. Born a little early in the season. Perfectly healthy. No mother around. No other cattle around. I forced her to lay down near a tree and piled leaves up over her to help keep her warm. I headed over the hill to find the herd and her mother.

                  I was 12, out running fenceline. It was shorted. Limb probably on it. I found it, fixed it and found April. I went and found the herd. I found the cow that had just given birth. I could hear April’s moos just over the hill. I’m sure her mother could to. I gently tried to push April’s mother back to her. I saw the crazy switch flip on. Cows are like that sometimes. She took off across the pasture and down through the woods like I’d shot at her.

                  I went back home and told my dad what had happened. He acknowledged that the cow that had given birth was the crazy cow that he just didn’t have room for in the last load we hauled last fall. Now he regretted not making room.

                  We took a nipple and put over a heated bottle of milk. Milk in a pop bottle still still seems strange to me. I fed the starving thing and covered it back up with leaves. Though it was almost half a mile from the house, I could hear its paniced moos a few hours later. Off I went with another bottle of milk.

                  By this time I realized that she’d been abandoned. Crazy cow was never going to allow her to nurse. So, I went back, once again on my dirt bike, the vehicle of choice for fence running farm boys. She drank the bottle right down.

                  I thought I’d go back and get the truck and put her in the front seat with me and take her home. But, no, that was not possible. There was no way this 40 pound calf was going to let me leave. I was now the adopted mother.

                  For the next 5 years, I had a buddy. She grew to about 700 pounds. Followed me everywhere if I would let her. The funniest stuff was when friends would come over. I’d say, “Hey! I need to check out the cattle. Lets go take a walk.” I’d see the herd and we’d walk that way. As soon as April we see me HERE SHE’D COME! FULL THROTTLE! All 700 pounds of head waving, tail slapping Herford. I’d do a couple things. Sometimes I’d say, “Don’t move. They can’t see you if you don’t move.” Terrified, my friend would freeze. …until I couldn’t keep from busing out laughing. Then I’d give April a big hug. She was like a 700lb teddy bear only smellier. She would hang out with us for a while then go back with the herd and eat. Sometimes I’d get on her back. She always seemed to enjoy that too.

                  The other thing I would do is yell, “OMG! Mad cow! RUN! RUN!” Of course my friend wouldn’t know the difference. You should see how fast people can run what they’re about to crap their drawers! Of course I’d just stand there laughing.

                  The joke was all on them until one day I did that, April came running and kind of stumbled. That 100lb head swinging around caught me right in the side and I went flying. I woke up with April and my friend standing over me, April’s giant, wet, stinky nose right on top of mine. I sware to this day she was trying to apologize.

                  April was quite the pet.

                  She died on November 15th when she was 6 years old. Don’t really know why. I noticed I didn’t see her with the herd one day. I found her laying dead. I went and got the backhoe and buried her about 200 yard due south of where I’m sitting now. I only knew her for 5 years but it still hurt as my dad and I gently rolled her off in the hole I dug.

                  Oh, btw, she had a calf when she was about 3. The calf was crazy as a loon. Dad told me to expect it. It usually skips a generation.

                  Night all. Prayers to the Bundys.

                  -NR

      • another Jay

        them: 10,000
        us: 1

        but it’s a start

        • PKLauLau

          Net Ranger….that was the nicest story I’ve heard in a long time. And for a moment it took me out of this crazy world and put me in a very happy place. Sorry about April, but I am so glad you had that experience. I would have cherished that memory too.

          God Bless
          PKLL

      • Blackcat

        Hell Ya! Great Work and Thanks to those who took action. On a side note. I encourage everyone to take an Appleseed shooting course I just took one and it is awesome.

      • RS

        I have read nothing about these contract cowboys working for the BLM. A good test to see Bundy has the support of local ranchers is if the day money cowboys were local or trucked in by the feds from long distances. I really want to know more about them, that will tell me more about the situation.
        I do know that I would NEVER saddle my horse to do that kind of work under these circumstances. Too divided and venomous.

        • RS

          Okay. Sorry by I read a bit more about this. The hired hands are from UTAH. This tells me that they couldn’t get locals to work for them.
          I have heard people call the day money cowboys traitors. I hope that they were unaware to the situation before being hired on and left when they became aware of it. If they didn’t quit on the spot they are traitors.
          The cattle were supposed to be sold in Utah as well which is nothing out of the ordinary in itself. Cattle are frequently trucked out of state for sale. The fact that they had to pay of the sale barn is what is damning. I would guess that sale barn will be out of business soon. Nobody will want to be associated with that kind of business and word travels quickly.

          • Kulafarmer

            Be interesting to know who these cowboys were, my bet is they have some sort of ties to DHS or some military contractor, are probably rodeo cowboys, x military, working for gov contractor

            • PKLauLau

              Hired cowboys from Mehico?

            • RS

              Kula: I read that they were off of some outfit in Utah. But I would like to believe that they only know that they were going to collect strays or something. I cannot imagine knowing the full situation that they would have saddled a horse.

      • JohnFornaro

        Well rather: Us: 1. Them: A gazillion minus 1.

      • Anonymous

        These guys– the Malitia– they need to have protective gear such as bullet proof vests, helmets, and AK-47’s. They look too vulnerable… if they do intend to fight, they better get it right– dress for the occassion. (Just don’t want to see anything bad happen to them!)

        • NetRanger

          Several of the guys in that picture are wearing vests. They didn’t want to look too “armed”. That can tend to make things more volatile. I agree with what you are saying, to a point, but they were not looking for a confrontation. They were hoping for a peaceful solution but wanted a little backup.

          • Kulafarmer

            The Bundys requested they not wear camo,
            Most guys plate carriers are camo,

            • VRF

              thats why i only buy black tactical gear

          • gigi garden girl

            NetRanger–your story about your cow April was incredibly moving. Within my mind’s eye, I was visualizing what you described. Thank you for sharing your story about April 🙂

      • Nice job

        Congratulations militia members you’ve just identified yourselves as potential disobedients to the government. This was a false flag to wire tap all phones of those individuals considered a threat to “national security”.

      • Man on the inside

        Bundey and Oath Keepers :1
        Overreacging Guberment: 0

      • The_Dr_Is_Real_In7

        This is NOT over. The government will be back, with more firepower next time…
        Check out: Northeast Intelligence Network: http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10598#more-10598
        for the latest from the “inside”.

        God bless the Bundy’s, but I hope his supporters stay around for at least a month!

      • BigYank

        What you state as 5000 heavily armed militia turned out to be less than 1000 protesters, some of whom had firearms.

        What about the facts that Bundy has been in violation of the laws since 1987. He had the right to use of the land through a land lease. He has refused to pay the fees associated with this legal lease for over 25 years. He has been in violation of several court orders.

        Why don’t you people also report about these FACTS. You continually break the law you are eventually going to have to pay the piper.

        • PKLauLau

          Big Yank: I’ve seen the videos made from the militia that were THERE. Your facts are wrong and you have no clue what you are talking about.

          PKLL

      • Ppod

        This is huge!! I just hope too much time doesn’t pass by and the American people loose steam and/or forget about this. Strike while the iron is hot! Keep the momentum going!!

      • I want one

        I want a First Amendment Zone T-shirt!

      • bluesky

        We won one, but we’re way behind.

    2. Socrates

      Again. The government can only do what YOU allow them to do. Don’t allow further encroachments into your liberties and rights and fight back whenever the snake rears it’s ugly head.

      You can also bet they are watching how this unfolded and will send overwhelming force next time. React accordingly and in kind.

      • sixpack

        We need to roll enough heads, that it will be a long time before there is a “next time.” Starting with Harry Reid.

        • sixpack

          There just happens to be a whole lotta patriots on Nevada soil right now…maybe a road trip to Reid’s office is in order.

      • MadMarkie

        Yo Socrates –

        And just what do you think would have happened to the United States precious “safe-haven-status” as a place to SAFELY ‘park’ your money, if the nightly news showed US Citizens engaged in open, active and armed conflict with the BLM assholes?

        It really wouldn’t do too much to attract or retain foreign investment in the US.

        Our government is beginning to look very much like another one of those fucking third world banana republic dictatorships.

        We do live in interesting times!!!! Please keep an eye on the chair closest to you …… I have a feeling that the music is getting ready to stop.

        God Bless and good luck to all who post here, even my old amigo Barn Cat. As harsh and judgmental as he is of others; I have a feeling that he needs God’s blessings perhaps a little more than most.

        • sixpack

          Believe, Wall St. knows about this already, and so does those chinese investors…if not, they will know shortly.

          • PKLauLau

            Can you imagine the chinese investors watching this? They will truely believe that the American public will not be cowed and that there is a gun behind every blade of grass.

            This is a scary thought, what will Harry do to make this deal happen. What if the chinese pull out of the deal, what will Harry do then?

            I need an adult beverage now…(thanks whoever said that)!

            PKLL

            • JayJay

              PKLL–why aren’t we asking what will we do to Harry Reid??
              Is this not treason??
              What part of this story isn’t clear—it’s clear to me.
              China over Nevadans??

              • PKLauLau

                Jay-Jay….No doubt treason. No doubt crazy loon wrong. Of course Nevada/Us citizens over China….

                My worry is that they have given China the land in exchange for our debt. And what will Harry do to make that happen to the good American Citizens and Patriots. While I believe in our numbers and our sovereign rights, they have bigger weapons, the law (made up law) on their side, purely evil intent and a Godless soul to keep themselves in power and money. So, I say again, what will Harry do to make this happen?

                I fear for our people. That’s all I meant.

                PKLL

                • sixpack

                  Sounds like we’ll be practicing with targets that are imported from china…

                • NetRanger

                  PKLL, the proper terminology for “made up law” is “color of law”. Which, essentially means, looks like law but is not. All federal codes, statutes and regulation are just that. Unbeknownst to the masses, they brainwashed most into believe “the law” is “The Law” when it is not. They abbreviate color of law with the title “the law” and it sounds just like “The Law” but it is not.

                  The *ONLY* reason they can do this is because they have guns and they are willing to murder. Which, reminds me:

                  Government of this day does only three thngs:

                  1. Lie
                  2. Steal
                  3. Murder

                  In many cases all three are used. In most cases at least two are used. But, in EVERY SINGLE CASE at least one of those three tactics are used by government to get ANYTHING done.

                  I defy any person posting on this conversation to show me otherwise. If you come up with something that government has done in the last 10 years that doesn’t use at least one of the above activities, I’m betting that you just don’t know the whole story.

                  This is not an opinion. This is fact. …and a very sad one.

                • PKLauLau

                  Net Ranger: Thanks for the reply and info… I never understood “the color of law” before…..and sadly you are right.

                  I posted a few questions for you a little higher up….if you get some time, can you reply?

                  Thanks,
                  PKLL

                • sixpack

                  NetRanger (Comment ID: 3009010) I don’t have enough green thumbs to give you. I thought about asking for thumb donations, but decided just to say that I haven’t heard a better description of “The Law” in a long time.

            • sixpack

              Even if they finally pull it off and the chinese win—they are well behind enemy lines here…life could be ugly for a chinese business in no-man’s land…just the damage from the weather alone could be financially heart-breaking…not to mention the things that go bump in the night.

        • NetRanger

          MM, wow! Huge trains of thought hit my brain when I read your post. Hmmm. I’m really thinking that when Brietbart broke the Rory Reid Represents Chinese Energy story that is what really took this situation and shorted out the batteries. I mean, it was the combo of patriots, guns, resistance and exposure that meant they could no longer keep it all under wraps. Yeah, buddy, these people are crooks too the core!

          Huh, like *THATS* news, right?

          • sixpack

            THAT, and the fear of what else we might be able to uncover, given the proper motivation….sometimes it is safer to just let the sleeping dragon sleep.

      • jerrytbg

        I almost expect DK to show up and start back peddling and saying some of what you’re saying …. 🙂

        On a more salient point…I agree totally…
        They will be back and in force…Let us see how they configure…

        • durango kidd

          Any Patriots marching on Reid’s office should be marching on that office for the repeal of Agenda 21, and/or his attempts at gun control; NOT in support of a Deadbeat Rancher.

          Liberty Lovers and Patriots must align themselves with real Constitutional issues of freedom and justice, not bogus ones, like a trumped up altercation between a thief and the Courts.

          Otherwise WE do ourselves and our CAUSE a grave disservice. 🙁

          • the renegade braveheart

            DK, Bundy is not a deadbeat or a thief.

            • durango kidd

              RB: He is a Deadbeat because he owes the Court over One Million Dollars in fees and fines: $300,000 by his own admission and refuses to pay because he believes that OUR land is his land.

              He IS a thief because he is stealing forage for his herd from Taxpayer land without payment. YOUR land. MY land. Do you think the other 157,000 ranchers in America who currently pay grazing fees should get to run their herds on Taxpayer land for FREE?

              Should miners, big and small get to claim the land and minerals they mine without fees or royalties? What is good for the goose is good for the ganders. 🙂

              • NetRanger

                Miners do all the time. If they have purchased the mineral rights, buddy! I thought you said “my business is land”. For someone who says that, they don’t seem to understand that when you own something you can use or posess it and any government entity or person that attempts to keep you from posessing it is effectively stealing from you.

                While the land is your land and my land, the forage rights and water rights are not ours! They belong to Clive. Your message was from an earlier time, I’m just mopping up after you in hopes that you’ve finally realized the facts involved with this case.

                • durango kidd

                  NR: Miners have not been allowed to purchase the mineral rights through the FEDs for some time. What mining companies do today is “land swaps” with the FEDs.

                  The mining company will buy private land the FS or BLM wants; maybe a “wetland” or a “conservation corridor” and engineer a swap.

                  I am looking at one myself. 🙂

                • Old Guy

                  Its boils down to this Bundy and his supporters think that the forage & water rights belong to Bundy. unfortunately the courts have decided other wise. Did he appeal the two court orders telling him to remove the cattle? If he did I would really like to see the court documents. If he did not appeal the only thing I can say is (He who will not when he may when he will shall have nay).

                • sixpack

                  DK, land swaps make perfect sense. Low key, potentially everybody ends up with what they want, unless the original owner didn’t want to sell or got ripped off on the price.

                  With no clear violations, those swaps could fly under the radar forever.

          • Walt Kowalski

            @Durango Kid

            And you still can’t make the connection that this IS about Agenda 21.

            Geez….I thought you were smarter than that DK.

            I guess not.

            • durango kidd

              Walt: Why don’t you just answer my questions. 🙂

              • Walt Kowalski

                Try doing the research I’ve suggested.

                Your questions are red herrings.

                • durango kidd

                  Walt: Bundy stopped making lease payments in 1993. The tortoise did not become an issue on this land until 1998. This is NOT an Agenda 21 issue with Bundy.

                  He is a thief, manipulating the liberty Movement for personal profit. 🙁

                • NetRanger

                  It is if you own the land without a deed, which, if you will read my post about our church, can even happen in much more developed and populated areas.

                • durango kidd

                  NR: Property law in the East where you live, evolved from English Common Law. Property law in the West, once owned by Mexico, evolved from Spanish Law. There are subtle differences, but meaningful ones: particularly with respect to say, property and divorce.

                  Sorry, but you cannot apply the example of your church to a power struggle in Nevada over grazing rights. 🙁

          • John W.

            Reid lives in DC at the Ritz Carlton and is seldom in Nevada. Bothering his office would be pointless. Plus he is untouchable just like all the inner cabal of the Democrat/communist party. The Stupid party is just slightly better. Their silence on this situation tells us all we need to know.

            • sixpack

              I gave you a green one with one caveat—no one is completely untouchable, given the proper motivation.

      • ENFP

        We need to stand up for everyone the government is targeting with Agenda 21 – the front yard gardeners, people living off-grid, etc. This is the way we defend our God-given rights.

      • Not so fast

        If the BLM or any other LEO assembles an overwhelming force, they have to come from someplace. Who will be minding the store while they are gone? This is especially true of major cities where there is a shortage of LEOs to start with.

        Remember Katrina when 50% of NO police officers went AWOL? What do you think will happen when they start loosing BLM agents? Yes they are trained, yes they are well armed, and yes this is just a job for them. You can’t spend your pension if you are in a box underground.

        Look up the definition of Saboteur and get your shoe ready.

        And then there are Promise Keepers.

    3. Anonymous

      BRAVO PATRIOTS. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. This victory is larger than life. However we shouldn’t nor we’ll put our guards down. The puppet masters are pissed and don’t think they’ll stop their satanic planning. However the message is clear and loud. Think twice you paid SOB’s before you try to subdued our freedoms. Think ten times harder to plan to disarm us. The reason the patriots won was simple. The 2nd Amendment of the US constitutions. Period. SALUTE TO ALL FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS.

      • SterlingSilver

        There need to be at least a hundred more Cliven Bundys stand up and challenge illegitimate authority on our public lands. This experience showed the Cliven Bundys that We the People have had enough and will stand by them. Support for Bundy came form oregon, utah, montana, arizona, nevada. Its a pain but much less painful then full blown war. We out number them, we actually out gun them, and we can out think and out principle them. Time to pull together before it gets worse.

        Lesson for the day: You’re not alone. Make a stand and you’ll get your back up.

        • sixpack

          Someone with the resources needs to go back over the land acquisitions of private/public lands and find out who the previous owners are. Give them a chance to tell their story to the public of what happened to them. We need to hear from a lot more than just Nevada.

          I’m pretty miffed now that I know my state, Oregon, is about 70 percent BLM owned. I live pretty close to a national forest—could my home be next? Who knows, but I’m sure going to try to find out.

          • sixpack

            I also think the other 52 ranches should be restored to their original owners as well…money refunded or not.

            • PKLauLau

              Seriously not a violent person, but if I ever find one of you troll red thumbers, I’m gonna hurt your face.

              PKLL

              • JayJay

                PKLL–it’s Harry Reid!! 🙂

                • durango kidd

                  Brillant JJ! 🙂

                • PKLauLau

                  LOL!

                  PKLL

              • Jim Smith

                I think a bunch of Obamanites hit this site and other conservative sites just to “thumb down” our posts. Keep in mind the Obama Regime has hired thousands of people to do just that and post Regime support comments all over the Internet. Also, the Obama Regime has the resources of the federal alphabet agencies which are now using computer programs (I call them ObamaBots) to actually go online and get into discussions to disrupt us. I know I was “talking” to a ObamaBot last year on youtube when the “person” never made sense and kept typing the same thing over and over. It was because I was “talking” to a machine…I know it had to be.

    4. Sgt. Dale

      I Just hope this is not a misdirection from the Feds. Making us think they are leaving. Watch for a False Flag!
      A.S.M.S.
      Sgt.

      • the renegade braveheart

        Howdy, Sarge. I get the same feeling about this. The feds will be back. Count on it.

        • sixpack

          Would Harry Reid’s head on a pike be considered a “flag”?

          • PKLauLau

            🙂

          • Sgt. Dale

            Sixpack
            No just a dick on a stick.
            Sgt.

            • sixpack

              ROFLMFAO

              • sixpack

                sounds like something obummer might like…

                • sixpack

                  “a dick on a stick”, I mean.

            • mqg25

              From what the hookers say in DC about Reid, you would need a microscope and tweezers to pin that on a stick.

          • Vicky

            A flag with a Medusa type face on it. Reid has to be brought up on charges and jailed, or everyone else in Congress will think they can get away with massive wealth grabs, as well. None of them have a moral objection, so we go back to community standards. I am fearful for the patriots who may have been identified. Obama has no compunctions about having them killed by SWAT teams in the night, but if not that, they will be audited every year for the rest of their life, and they will NEVER be able to pass. This may have been a “Second Shot Heard Around the World”, but I think Obama grudgingly called it off to prop up his sagging approval ratings. Those of you in a safe and solid militia need to rejoice. Most militias are riddled with a 98% gov’t spy presence, two dull-witted teenagers who think they’ve joined Captain America, and one guy (the founder) in a tinfoil hat. We have to protect the patriots who were identified, search for them if they’re missing and if all else fails, dig up their bodies and press for homicide charges. Soon, there will be too many of us for them to ignore or ridicule which is when we begin to make changes reflecting the Constitution and Bill of Rights. This has to come about quickly as the Feds are busy working on ultra death machines which will make a win for us much less likely. Robot soldiers, heat guns, noise cannons and GPS searches which can pick out a human face in the dark from 900 feet away.I really, really don’t want to be shot, but will consider it an honor if it saves the cause. Band together and take care of each other. Blessings!

            • sixpack

              An advantage that the patriots who went to Bunkerville have, is that they had a chance to meet others. While there may have been govt agents there for that purpose, not everyone was an agent.

              As far as “being identified”, Oathkeepers have not exactly been hiding. Stewart Rhodes is well known. I’m confident that the sleepers among us took precautions to remain in the shadows. The footage from Bundyville (as I call it) showed that they did not bust out all of their arms to show off to the world and to the FEDs.

              The govt STILL has no idea what they had. I also wonder how much a satellite can really see through a cowboy hat or baseball cap, from up there. License plates don’t mean much, vehicles are borrowed every day, not to mention stolen. Many people don’t change over the registration quickly, if ever, so they pretty much need to catch you in one.

              As for “toying” with us, I’m not ready to concede that the Oathkeepers are anyone to be toyed with…

              • NetRanger

                Roger all of that Sixpack.

                There were the “militia” front that just showed enough arms to be intimidating. Were I to go out there, I would have been heavily, but covertly (kept it in the trunk until need) armed. …and believe me, they have no idea what I [have | have had | still have | will have]. I live in a state that treats used shovels only slightly different that used firearms. A 4473 means about as much as a Dairy Queen reciept in this state.

                So, we kind of won this round. But, they’ve been putting the squeeze on Clive for 20 plus years. I really don’t think they’ll back down. They’ll hit him again sooner or later. Crooks never give up.

      • SterlingSilver

        William Wallace:

        “Slaves are made in such ways! The last time Longshanks spoke of peace I was a boy. And many Scottish nobles, who would not be slaves, were lured by him under a flag of truce to a barn, where he had them hanged. I was very young, but I remember Longshanks’ notion of peace.”

        • the renegade braveheart

          “Every man dies. But not every man truly lives.” Me

          • PKLauLau

            Good one: Women too.

            PKLL

            • the renegade braveheart

              PKLL, I had a good woman until she was killed by a drunk driver. never found another one worthy enough to replace her.

              • PKLauLau

                BH….dang…so sorry.

                Believe it or not….there are still good women out there.

                Hugs to you BH

                PKLL

                • the renegade braveheart

                  PKLL, thank you for that.

        • sixpack

          That’s what they get for leaving their swords at the castle.

          Second Amendment—DON’T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT!

      • PKLauLau

        SGT….see my post above…

        PKLL

    5. rede2lead

      I’m happy things have come to a peaceful resolution for the time being.
      There will be more battles to be fought in the future if we don’t change things right now though.
      Keep on prepping, praying, and paying attention my fellow patriots.

    6. Corncob

      Bout time. From this point forward, Patriots need to stick together and work together to begin to correct the evil that Washington has unleashed upon our country. It may take decades to fix, but fix it we must for those that come after us, our children, and their children. We must stop the same 535 millionaire lawyers from destroying us. Stop the millions of federal employees basking in 6 figure salaries and benefits for life, and stop the 40 percent who CHOOSE not to work and look to the rest of us for substinance. Let’s get our America, that so many have fought and died for back. Let’s just get it back.

      • JayJay

        Corncob–6 figures for life?? They don’t need that–the bribes and kick-backs alone from corporatocracy insure they will live better than 50% of America’s tax payers.

    7. PWYPreach

      When our federal government officials come up against an equally-armed opponent, they quickly turn off their bullshit spigot and run the other way. Case in point: Russia and Ukraine, China and the South China Sea.

      NEVER ALLOW THEM TO VIOLATE OR NULLIFY OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!

      • sixpack

        I think the gun-grabbers are going to find even BIGGER obstacles in their way, after this.

        The govt just CONFIRMED why we need to remain armed at all costs.

        • Natcho Momma

          Would the dickhead who red arrowed sixpack like to explain why?

          • Walt Kowalski

            Looks like there is at least one more now. Some of our resident window-lickers no doubt.

            No surprise. This site has started to attract the government hacks and toadies. They’ve been here for a while, but events like this are like flipping on a light in a dark room. You actually get to see the slimy critters scurry around.

            • sixpack

              I’m still laughing over the “dick on a stick” crack, I don’t have time for assholes—hey, I made another funny…Time for bed soon.

            • jerrytbg

              And scurry they do Walt… look there’s one… splat!

              There was one, that was all over the place with the same rhetoric…
              Thought he’d change his tack, ease the sheet and do a beamer…
              Nope, still beating to wind… not that it really matters. 🙂

    8. RS

      Just goes to you show there is still power in the people.But the next crisis like this will mean the BLM and Feds will hurry up and do the arrest before people and material can come in along with media attention . If it wasn’t for people gathering this would have ended badly for Bundy .If you notice mainstream media downplayed it usual .But i think it also sends a message that the people are tired of there crap , there lies, there corruption , there laws and regulations which go against the constitution . If a fire fight did break out they surely would know that it wouldn’t end well for the government in general as it would solidify more unity for the people posing a much bigger threat to the current throne of power .

      • DaisyK

        Just goes to show the power of the internet. Mainstream media ignored this until the internet videos went viral.

        They have discovered that the real power is in the internet. Next time they will shut down the internet first.

        Beware.

        • Gods Creation

          “”They have discovered that the real power is in the internet. Next time they will shut down the internet first. “”

          Should the internet go down, it is time to mobilize where ever you may be…

          • Warchild Dammit!

            GC,agree with that completely,the net/cell ect. down tis time to be more vigilant then ever and be ready to do the right thing no matter what.

          • sixpack

            …without further notice.

            • sixpack

              Oh I get it now—it wasn’t a REAL red thumber, it’s just a stalker…pffftt!

          • Walt Kowalski

            I had this thought as well Gods Creation. The only reason any of the MSM (Yes…FOX News is part of the MSM) picked up on this is because the alternative media spread it all over the Internet and it couldn’t be ignored.

            I have several “triggers” that tell me when it’s on.

            And one of them is when the Internet either gets taken down….or I no longer have access to sites that tell the truth about what is happening.

            The CAN make access to certain sites difficult, while leaving the rest of the Internet untouched.

            On that note….it’s good to have the actual IP addresses of these sites. One way that they can block access is via DNS. If you have the actual IP address, you can still access a site, even if its domain name is no longer being propagated. Of course, if they block the IP address or actually shut down the site…or take the site over, that’s a different matter. But it’s also an even bigger red flag that the SHTF.

            But EXPECT that anything but the government approved media to be unavailable.

            One other thing…..if they decide to go after the Bundy’s again, they will do it under cover of darkness (literal or figurative)and no media will allowed within a thousand yards of the scene. Think Waco folks. And they will manufacture some story about how the Bundy family shot first.

            • sixpack

              Let’s not forget that onumbnutz is handing control of the domain names over to the UN, er, I mean ICANN…

              • sixpack

                …can you say “Yes, we can”?

                • NetRanger

                  “Yes, we can”? …turn off.

                  But, they won’d dare. They pull something like that and it will be just as dangerous as firing the first shot.

                  Hey, Walt, what if I there was a fairly inexpensive way to keep all the IPs that you surf safe?

                  I’m working on a project just like that. In other words, they pull the DNS and my little jewel just keeps handing you the sites like nothing happened.

            • Not so fast

              Anyone heard what the status is of the McAfee darknet project? It’s supposed to be a $100 box that makes you invisible on the net so you can’t be tracked.

        • Anonymous

          In other countries, when they shut the Internet down, people went bezeerk and did even more revolting; it back fired on the government. The Internet is a way of letting off steam. Shut it down and there will be fire– hell to pay.

          • Walt Kowalski

            @Anonymous….

            That may be true, but at some point, they just won’t care.

            When they are ready to pull the trigger on this thing (and I’m not talking about just the Bundy situation) they will do it in such a way so as to try to convince us that it is for our own good.

            Notice with the BLM stand down….they said…for the safety of BLM employees AND the protesters. That’s the way they always couch this stuff. If you saw any of the videos, notice how they tell people to comply with certain directions “for your own safety and the safety of the officer”.

            BS. It’s always so the officer/s can control every aspect of the situation and keep you under their thumb.

            That’s what those “First Amendment” zones were all about. And that’s what it’s about when government entities require “permits” to protest.

            Can you imagine the patriots who took part in the Boston Tea Party taking out a permit? LOL!

            • sixpack

              Their “permit” was the size 12 that kicked in the doors to the tea storage areas…

            • Anonymous

              Walt– yeah, I agree about the “Permit”– utter, utter BS!! We protested in the 60’s and we sure as hell didn’t get no “permit”– that is simply restricting you so you have no power– all BS!!!

              We protested at the Capital, shouting,”1,2,3,4… we don’t want your f— war!” and the cops came at us with bully clubs, swinging at us. (They were on horseback)…a few kids got hit– was really upsetting, but it did nothing at all to deter those young kids. After one group left, another followed… they were all over that capital hill.

              PERMITS TO PROTEST TYRANNY? HELL NO!!!!!!!

      • islander

        This is a good point . Next time they will be faster to close roads and highways . We must be willing to fight these roadblocks . Our rights to move about freely are being stepped on hard . Just like our communications are being looked at and listened to , our highways are littered with cameras watching us as we move .

    9. KySSG

      Good deal, although I would be very cautious if I were Mr. Bundy.

      Mac, perhaps we should adopt a SHTFPlan Official song? I have my personal favorite, from Twisted Sister, and the lyrics do fit the current state very well.

      We’re Not Gonna Take It:

      OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
      NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
      OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE

      WE’VE GOT THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE AND
      THERE AIN’T NO WAY WE’LL LOSE IT
      THIS IS OUR LIFE, THIS IS OUR SONG
      WE’LL FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE JUST
      DON’T PICK OUR DESTINY ‘CAUSE
      YOU DON’T KNOW US, YOU DON’T BELONG

      OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
      NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
      OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE

      OH YOU’RE SO CONDESCENDING
      YOUR GALL IS NEVER ENDING
      WE DON’T WANT NOTHIN’, NOT A THING FROM YOU
      YOUR LIFE IS TRITE AND JADED
      BORING AND CONFISCATED
      IF THAT’S YOUR BEST, YOUR BEST WON’T DO

      OH…………………
      OH…………………
      WE’RE RIGHT/YEAH
      WE’RE FREE/YEAH
      WE’LL FIGHT/YEAH
      YOU’LL SEE/YEAH

      OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
      NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
      OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE

      OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
      NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
      OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
      NO WAY!

      OH…………………
      OH…………………
      WE’RE RIGHT/YEAH
      WE’RE FREE/YEAH
      WE’LL FIGHT/YEAH
      YOU’LL SEE/YEAH

      WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
      NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
      WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE

      WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT, NO!
      NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
      WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE

      JUST YOU TRY AND MAKE US
      WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
      COME ON
      NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
      YOU’RE ALL WORTHLESS AND WEAK
      WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
      NOW DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY
      WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
      A PLEDGE PIN
      NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
      OH YOU ON YOUR UNIFORM
      WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE

      KySSG . . . out.

      • Sgt. Dale

        KySSG.
        One of the best songs of the 80’s
        I agree!!!
        Sgt.

        • KySSG

          Yep, Sgt. Dale, they don’t make ’em like this anymore.

          KySSG . . . out.

    10. posseecom

      Amen..

      May we all be ready for a call to arms when necessary!

      possee

    11. incognito

      Joyous day. I felt compelled to be there and hang my head because I was not.

      • PA farmer

        Incognito, There is many of us wearing them same Cement shoes. It wasnt just the people there at Bundys, it was the body and Soul of the people that the ptb could feel Upon them..

        • sixpack

          They are watching us wherever we are, doing our best to get the word out to those who hadn’t heard yet. They know our number is many more, than were standing up in Bunkerville.

          We Are Legion.

          • the renegade braveheart

            We’re all going to be Cliven Bundys before it’s all said and done.

            • sixpack

              At least we won’t be singled out.

      • Anonymous

        I keep wondering how many really were there– was it really thousands that came out to support the rancher? Haven’t been able to ascertain truth…??

        • sixpack

          I counted on the still photo and there was more than 100 people right there at that point—and they didn’t have enough horses for any more. Then those at the camp, on the roads in groups, the ones just getting there and the ones manning the equipment, I’d say there was enough patriots there to make the govt nervous…

          • PKLauLau

            I watched the live feed all day….it sure looked like a lot of people, much more than hundreds…I’d say at least a thousand…

            PKLL

          • JayJay

            I’m not counting on the photos.
            My understanding is the patriots/militia were on standby and near.
            Just how I read between the lines.
            Wrong??

            • sixpack

              That’s called “flanking”. Makes perfect sense to leave a few behind for the surprise party…I would.

              • Night Breaker

                Sixpack,
                Or a quick reaction force ( QRF) estimates from my sources about 500 active citizens defense forces ( MILITIA ) are on site with an additional 5000 mobilized ( many more in reserve ) on stand by status due to events in Conn. last week and coming up in NY on the 15 .
                We living in interesting times , the tide is starting to turn.

                What you are witnessing are he Death Throes of the regime.

                Semper Fi 8541

                • sixpack

                  “What you are witnessing are he Death Throes of the regime.”

                  Well, someone crush it, it needs to be put out of our misery.

        • NetRanger

          I’m betting there were thousands. I don’t really know but if there were not SheopleStreamMedia would have shown you just how few there were.

          The reason I know this the protest that happened about obamacare some years ago. It was the largest protest ever seen in DC. The SheopleStream poo pooed the numbers and it backfired on them. If there are few, they will show few. If there are gobs, they’ll show nothing. This is why the ShoepleStream stayed away. We had power, they knew it, didn’t want to prove it. If they had lied about it, someone would have gotten pissed and it would have backfired again.

          If they had been able to combat this with numbers, they would have done it. Let me poke around and see if I can get some reasonably reliable estimates.

          • NetRanger

            Well, I saw one picture where, if I were to guess, there could have been a max of maybe 1000 people. I’ve learned to take my estimates and cut them in half, so, I’ll say 500. But, there just wasn’t any good pictures of the crowds. Maybe there will be more published in the future. Just really hard to tell.

            But, 10,000 people unarmed is far less dangerous to tyranny than the 1 Citizen Militia member in the picture at the start of this article.

            They effectively, in non verbal language, said to the BLM, “Poke this hornets nest one more time and you’re going to be hurting.”

            Anybody able to get a reasonable count on the numbers? If the numbers were low, I’m wondering if maybe the presence of arms in the hand of the people was a 10,000x effetiveness multiplier?

      • sixpack

        Next time, Incognito…next time.

    12. PA farmer

      I’m gona make the pitcher in the Article my new Screensaver..
      GREAT!!! GREAT!!! GREAT!!!
      I dont know how tall Mr. Bundy is but he’s the biggest man I’ve ever seen..
      I know less is far from over for Bundy, but this is a Huge step for the Patriots…

    13. Tomahawk

      I predict this didn’t change anything. Those federal goons are bullies and all bullies are cowards.

      They will withdraw for now, then come back later after all the militia folks have gone home. Then they will come for this family in the early pre-dawn hours and make an example of them with brutal violence.

      That’s how those cowardly thugs with badges operate.

      • Old guy

        Now If I was the govt authorities I would identify as many of bundys supporters and romp upon them with both feet. Sick the IRS on them and if they get any government check stop the payment .

        • PA farmer

          Old man I’m in a giving mood right now, so I forgive for your Ignorance..Enjoy the day..

          • NetRanger

            PA Farmer, I think you are mistaking *FORESIGHT* for ignorance.

            To (wise) Old Guy: I think you are exactly right. Its what they’ll do. After this dies down, your friends will figure out a way to take more from more and it will be undetectable except to the ones that will suffer.

          • Walt Kowalski

            Old Guy….

            This is one post of yours with which I can actually agree.

            Not a doubt in my mind that the goons did a lot of intel gathering….making of lists, etc.

            But…..other people can make lists too.

            Just sayin’….

            • John W.

              When people try to leave we will have our answer. If they stop cars and search for any weapons then arrest the driver we will know that this is far from over. Is I-15 the freeway that is being mentioned? If they block that then the traffic will back up to SLC and Vegas. It will be a disaster.

        • PO'd Patriot

          Old Guy I hope that’s sarcasm… if not, best check your Depends as there has been a breach….. I can smell it…..or your mouthwash ain’t makin’ it.

          • Pissed Off Granny

            PO’d Patriot:

            Not his depends, not his breath, it is his soul that stinks……

        • Anonymous

          Old guy, With such a comment, I think is time for you to die due the old age and natural causes. Are you really that ignorant. Go to bed and don’t wake up.

          • CBGB's

            Can you people honestly not see that Old Guy is trying to help us? He’s giving us a heads up on a possible strategy the government might use to come after us. Get your heads out of your asses.

        • Pissed Off Granny

          Old guy:

          I and several others at shtf donated to the cause. I am sure you include us in the round up. You are a blight on freedom loving people in America.

          I wish I had the power to ship you to China, Russia, Cuba, because you commie bastard who cares for nothing but yourself, that is where you belong.

          Satan is surely smiling with glee at your post. May the good Lord forgive your ignorant soul, I cant.

          • Anonymous

            God is Love.

          • ReFounding Father

            Old guy was being clever. Telling us what the gubmint will likely do, and what we should be ready to face. Subtlety is a lost art and apparently tough to see. If you can’t think like your advisary you will always be two steps behind him.

            • ReFounding Father

              Ok after reading following comments by old guy, I must call him pos.
              however what he said will likely happen and therefore must be watched out for.

              RFF

            • John W.

              Getting mad just because someone said the truth and it is not the truth that someone wanted to heat is a sign of immaturity. Anyone who thinks the feds are going to let this slide is mistaken. Were it a bunch of illegals protesting there would be no problem. Regular Americans have no rights. Especially the pigmentation challenged.

            • JohnFornaro

              I saw all the comments denigrating Old Guy, so I ended up clicking on his post.

              It might do some people some good to consider that the government collected plenty of intel on the attendees at the event in NV. Facial recognition software isn’t perfect, but it does work pretty well with human oversight. There were only some few thousand attendees in NV. This would be a fair amount of work to collect and collate faces, addresses, vehicles, and so forth, but it could be done, up to a point.

              If the government were to target certain individuals in the crowd, they would likely consider targeting leaders, not followers. Whatever analysts are working the fotos of the event, they would use their judgement and common sense to identify potential leaders for targeting by other government agencies.

              Who can say if this work would really be worth the government’s while, but harrassment would be a technique that they could use. If there is a group of free individuals organizing, then it would be a good idea if they create some sort of methodology to find out if anybody did actually get targeted.

              If people are getting targeted for harrassment, that needs to be known and publicized. The government is not operating in a vacuum, and any militias ought not operate in a vacuum either.

          • Walt Kowalski

            As I once heard it put…..

            “If I had enough money to send half of Congress to China in a slow boat, I’d send all of them half-way.”

            • NetRanger

              Hmmm. A defective logistics solution to a corruption problem.

              Funny stuff!

          • CBGB's

            Actually, Pissed Off Granny, Satan is smiling at your post. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last.

        • the renegade braveheart

          Old guy, if that was only sarcasm, OK. If not, you might want to start looking over your own shoulder.

        • Anon7

          Old Guy: You’ve got them figured out alright. Bundy seems to have won a hollow victory. The IRS will simply send him a bill and when he doesn’t pay it, his cash flow will seize up and that’s death for any business, including the cattle business. This story will go quiet and many months later a back page story on how the IRS is seizing his bank accounts for nonpayment of taxes. End of story, and Bundy. As for his supporters, the Feds are biding their time and doing background checks through the FBI, ATF, and the IRS. Then again, this could also be the first real crack in the federal government and more will follow until it all comes unraveled. Only time will tell. They (FEDS), and many states, think NY and Conn. are enacting laws that folks are just ignoring and TPTB are afraid. As for this little adventure I’m just glad that no one lost their life.

          • Slick One

            When that happens its time for the cowboys to show up at the local IRS office.

        • NetRanger

          Whoa! I think you guys missed the meaning of Old Guy’s post.

          I think he meant to say something like, “If I were to think like the thug bastards that inhabit the Bastards of Land Mismanagement, I would identify as many of bundys supporters and romp upon them with both feet. Sick the IRS on them and if they get any government check stop the payment.”

          I don’t think he intended to disparage the Bundy’s asparagas, did you Old Guy?

          I think he meant that if they can’t get the cows, they can at least get intelligence and torture these people in the future.

          To Old Guy, I say: Well, DUH! Its its what the losers in our unlawful government do, have done and will continue to do.

          • islander

            thats the way I read old guys comment too . Thats just how the govmt plays ball

        • mqg25

          Guess what Old Guy? What you wish on the “bundy supporters” Obamacare will do for you.

          • Old Guy

            That’s a real possibility. being stubborn and hard headed I haven’t signed up or purchased any health care. so I suppose im now a criminal subject to punishment for having done nothing. Im not shure just what my reaction will be. I will cross that bridge when it come to it. The reality is quite some time ago the UN NWO and agenda 21 proponets decided that the so called blue collar producing USA middle class had more then their fair share. So things like OPEC nafta environmental laws where put into place to redistribute the middle class producing jobs to other places. Now that has been accomplished. So the working producing middle class is no longer needed or wanted by the powers that be. They want those brown skinned peons & serfs from south of the border. Its a pretty sad end to our republic.

      • Ever Vigilant

        At that point Tomahawk…..It will be “Hammer-Time”

        • Tomahawk

          Indeed.

          But it is long overdue.

      • Anonymous

        But it does, Tomahawk. It shows that bad people don’t back down unless they have to– when people have guns and are willing to use them. It shows the Power of the People. Occupy didn’t work, nor did other protests work because being nice doesn’t work. As Derrick Jensen says, talking nicely to a psychopath doesn’t work. He was right. You cannot reason with a psychopath. you have to have a bigger gun/possee!

      • sixpack

        Tomahawk, I wonder how many patriots might’ve stayed on as a “ranch hand”…Even the Ponderosa had a cook.

    14. Anonymous 300

      I have been praying for Cliven Bundy, the militia, and everyone by Clivens side, and for those working behind the scenes.

      I will continue to pray for them, just in case.
      It did my heart good to see the militia men escorting Cliven Bundy. I was impressed with the militia men by C. Bundys side. They looked like they knew their sh*t, and would be a force to be reckoned with.

      I am glad to see this update.

      • Sgt. Dale

        A300:
        You are right we should keep Mr. Bundy family, friends, and Militia in our prayers
        I pray that this is over but my GUT tells me NO!!!!
        We the People with Gods help took round 1. Let us hope and pray it was a knock out.
        A.S.M.S.
        Sgt.

        • the renegade braveheart

          Howdy, Sarge. The militia and supporters need to remain in place because round 2 is coming and the feds will try something different. If any SWAT team goes into the Bundy ranch property they need to be challenged and defeated. It’s high time that their illusion of being invincible was shattered into a million pieces. That’s the only way to get the rest of them to wake up, smell the coffee, and reconsider their own positions. They need to be made to realize that imposing a police state on your fellow citizens is not worth losing your life over. Plus, they must be made to recognize that their own homes could also get “SWATTED”. THEIR families are just as vulnerable to violence as anyone of us out here. Sarge, God knows, I never wanted to see things come to this in this land, but now it’s here. The day of reckoning is closer than anyone knows.

          • Nopittypartyhere

            Unfortunately, beware of drones. Didn’t they have an executive order (or was it a bill that passed) saying Obama could order the death of terrorists by drone and Rand Paul was fighting it because it does not exclude Americans or those on American soil?

            • sixpack

              yep. I think Harry Reid was probably all for it too.

            • John W.

              Once they run all the license plates and get a match as to the address where the owner of that car lives don’t be surprised if mass SWAT raids are performed on those homes. Hope I am wrong and this whole thing is left to cool down and be worked out peacefully but I doubt that will be allowed to happen.

              • sixpack

                with any luck, most of them borrowed their ride from a govt carpool…:)

          • Sgt. Dale

            R.B.
            I pray that it is over, but I don’t trust those Bastards in D.C.

            My feeling is that they will pull a false flag!

            If that was a sniper team set up over the Bundy ranch the sucked. If that was me and my observer you would have never known we were there. What a joke, they were just trying to intimidate the Bundys.

            If it gets that bad that I have to go out there they will find just how hard it is to find a real Sniper.

            I don’t want to see anyone get hurt but if BLM pulls some kind of B.S. thy put their families in as fair game!!!!

            I know that if anything happened to any of my family.
            I WOULD GO HUNTING!
            Sgt.

            • Walt Kowalski

              Time to get a Ghillie suit.

              • Night Breaker

                Walt ,
                You should already have a GHILLE , drag back and zeroed EBR at this time .
                I really feel with out revealing too much that problem would have been neutralized after the Feds fired the first shot in short order. Only the shadow knows LOL.
                Gunny Hathcock rules.

                Semper Fi 8541

                • Night Breaker

                  Ment Drag bag .

                  Semper Fi 8541

    15. PA farmer

      “” God bless America “”

    16. KySSG

      Oh shit. I had a feeling this was mostly a ploy to get them to stand down. Time to see who has the bigger balls.

    17. Old guy

      Even if the bundy supporters prevail for the moment it wont change anything. They have only won one battle. Just wait & see like the Sioux at little big horn the Bundy,s fate is sealed in the end he will not prevail.

      • This Texan Has Had Enough

        You go ahead and surrender Old Guy! I will die on my feet!
        I was afraid that the Feds would not leave. This is not over.

        • Old guy

          Its not about surrendering or fighting. To me its black & white. Fact 1 Bundy,s cattle are grazing on public land. Fact 2 Bundy previously was paying the grazing fee however he stopped paying. Fact 3 Bundy was receiving befifit from grazing the public land and not paying. Fact 4 Other ranchers are paying the grazing fees the only one not paying is Bundy. To me that,s plenty enough reason for the BLM to seize the cattle. Please explain why its Ok for Bundy to not pay and all the other cattle owners pay? Why should Bundy be allowed to get something for nothing?

          • sharonsj

            What’s scary to me is that your post got more thumbs down than thumbs up, even though you are factually correct. Unfortunately we have too many people in this country whose worldview trumps reality.

            If all the ranchers decided to stop paying rent like Bundy, then his supporters would have to ante up more in various taxes to make up the shortfall–the same way we pay more in taxes every time the rich corporations get away without paying their fair share.

            • Old guy

              All I can do is look at the facts and try and put myself in the shoes of both partys. However the sad fact is our republic has turned into a mob rule democracy. The majority of voters are elated with the fiscal irresponsibility of our elected officials as long as they get their portion of government benefits. Im not a denialist There is no fixing the USA its over. There isn’t a viable political or ballot box solution. The taking parasites greatly outnumber the making producers and that is simply not sustainable. The Hard earned money of the making productive has to compete with the so called free gove money of the taking parasites. And gullible sheeple will line up behind a corrupt govt or a Deadbeat rancher with equal enthuisaum? We are doomed. I wish it wasn’t so but I think not.

              • PWYPreach

                Beyond the Constitution, the government ONLY possesses the power WE, THE PEOPLE, allow them to possess. If we fail to kick them to the curb when they get uppity…then we deserve what we get….so it’s time to put our “kicking-to-the-curb” shoes on!

              • Pissed Off Granny

                OLD GUY:

                Spend your spare time looking up the back taxes owed by Obama’s cabinet members and administration. Even Timothy Geithner, treasury secretary had not paid his taxes for years. Where is the hue and cry from you about these criminals.

                To be an administration official and not pay your taxes is far more criminal as far as I am concerned. They should be put in prison and have the key thrown away.

                You don’t really care what the REAL reasons are that the feral government is closing all these lands do you? Those reasons are far more criminal than any money the Bundy family own this corrupt government.

                • Sebastion T.

                  BOTH sides are wrong!
                  “The Ten Commandments forbids Marxism: its states that you should NOT covet thy neighbor’s goods. Socialism is all about taking money from people who earn it and calling it “social justice”. Did the ancients simply understand the cycle of debt far better than Marx and his followers who now run our governments today? They simply justify robbing other people calling it “social justice” to mask what even the ancients said was wrong.”

              • John W.

                You sound like me. I agree with you a hundred percent especially as to this great experiment being over. Just the continuing mass third world immigration guarantees that. I see Zimbabwe and South Africa in our future. There is no way to stop it simple demographics trumps all.

              • Breathial

                Are WE doomed? No. But that’s not the real question.

                Are YOU doomed, is the question. And the answer to that is yes.

                Because you lack the only weapon that really matters: courage. So bow down and lack the hand that feeds you. Let the chains sit lightly upon you…

                I’d prefer you aid those real men who will stand in your place, but I suspect your fear and cowardice will render you silent and still. So be it. The freedom won will be enjoyed by those who fought. And you will die a thousand deaths of a coward, before you finally expire.

                The future belongs to the patriots. You have none. As it should be.

                • t-zulu

                  Hate to say it but, the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122) has redefined posse comitatus for when local LE cannot handle a domestic situation, the real ? is will us troops fire on us?

            • PWYPreach

              Sharon: Congress just allotted 1 billion taxpayers dollars (yes, billion) to Ukraine…and you are worried about whether we don’t get Bundy’s “million” dollar grazing fee or some other rancher’s fee?

              That tortoise they are touting as the reason to kick him off is the same tortoise they are euthanizing because the government can’t afford to feed them.

              AND the BLM just destroyed a watering hole on that land that was being used by the local wildlife…they have caused them to suffer a horrible death from dehydration.

              And there are no more ranchers there grazing those lands. BLM ran them all off to make way, it would appear, for the Chinese and Harry Reid & Son’s bullshit.

              AND the Federal Reserve just has to print up some more fake money and give it to the Gates, Dimons and JP Morgans of the world so they can jack up the stock market…that should take care of those imaginary grazing fees.

              Bundy deserves to be allowed the grazing land for, say, $1.00 a year just because he is a courageous man.

              You talk about “reality,” but NOTHING in our current system is real: Not interest rates, not the people running our government, not our food system, Obamacare…NOTHING. It is all fake and corrupt…and it’s coming to a head.

              Who do you really think benefits from Obamacare? I would love to see an investigation of every Congressman, Senator, aide, everybody involved in Obamacare’s implementation and see how much insurance company stock they now own.

              • sixpack

                AMEN.

            • Warchild Dammit!

              What is scary to me is the blm thinks they can decide where free speech is ok and where it is not,that is the truly scary thing!

            • DaisyK

              Old Guy and Sharonsj,
              Bundy is the last man standing. All the other ranchers have been driven out of business by the BLM, so there is no one to pay Bundy’s “share.” The fees are to protect the “endangered species” the ones the feds have been euthanizing because there are too many of them.

              Endangered, my eye.

            • no justice

              Heaven forbid that the ranchers would not pay taxes like corporations, how in hell would we get by? Where would the money come from to support EPA, DHS, BLM, etc. you get the idea. After they get the farmers and ranchers money, the plan is the land.

              • JayJay

                This really pi**es me off.
                We don’t scream when GE of Mexico?? and other 3rd world countries profiting billions each year is subsidized millions by American tax payers but begrudge a hard-working rancher a few hundred thousand?
                Are you listening to yourselves?
                I don’t say much about moochers/welfare moms, because Israel gets millions each year from our budget.
                Who should get our welfare?? Israel or our relatives??
                Just think about this for a few minutes; how hypocritical we are.

                • sixpack

                  Well let’s see now: Mexico produces meth and heroin, and ranchers produce beef and other produce. It’s easy to see which side of the line those that are against the ranchers are falling on.

            • NetRanger

              Why would Bundy have to pay “rent” on forage land he already owns? Please tell me that. You people must ahve been raise in the city. Don’t you understand that he owns the land, partially, via forage and water rights? He was paying the “rent” as you call it so that the BLM would help him manage (ie; IMPROVE) the land with roads, waterways and bridges. Thats why he stopped because they didn’t. Its a contract. They breached, he started paying the county instead of the feds. They REALLY didn’t like that. I hear the money is in escrow for the county to spend anytime they want to but can’t substantiate that.

              Doh! You missed all that, didn’t ya?

              • durango kidd

                NR: Why DID Bundy pay rent on land, if he already owned it? He has said himself that he does NOT own the land. View the video Mac provided.

                It shou