This commentary was written by Karl Denninger and was originally published at The Market Ticker.
I keep getting asked about this and people keep advocating it, so let’s talk about it.
The issue is a Constitutional Convention, with the expressed intent being to return the United States to its Constitutional Roots.
Sounds like a good idea, yes?
Well, it quite arguably is, if you’d like to see the government return to its Constitutional boundaries.
The problem is that this “remedy” isn’t a remedy and if it comes to pass what you want won’t happen.
I know this for a fact and, if you think about it, so do you.
I know what you’re going to say: How can you be so sure?
It’s simple: There is nothing wrong with the Constitution as it sits now. The problem is that it’s not followed.
Let’s just take one example: The Fourth Amendment
It reads:
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
It does not say:
a) Except when a police officer wants to stop and frisk you.
b) Except when the government thinks you might be a terrorist.
c) Except when someone else has your “papers” because you had to let them have same as an essential part of buying a service from them (e.g. your cell phone “tower” records.)
d) Except when you’re driving while black.
e) Except when you’re driving anywhere, at all, and the government thinks you might have drug money in the car but has no probable cause to believe so.
And on and on and on.
It says shall not be violated, and it further mandates that a warrant may only issue predicated on probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation (not theunsworn word of an unnamed “confidential informant” nor can a dog “swear an oath”) and that the particular place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized must be named. That latter requirement is there so the cops can’t go on fishing expeditions.
Let’s try another one:
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
It does not say:
a) Except for guns that fire more than one bullet with a single pull of the trigger, unless they were made before a certain date and you pay a license fee.
b) Except for guns that have more than some number of rounds of ammunition in the magazine.
c) Except for guns that have some undesirable physical characteristic, such as looking scary, rifles or shotguns with a barrel shorter than some dimension, or similar.
d) Except for guns that fire a projectile larger than (X), or having characteristics of (X) (e.g. armor-piercing ammo, etc)
e) Except for guns that have been made quieter by the addition of a sound-suppressing device, unless you pay a license fee for same and the local sheriff thinks you’re nice.
f) Except if you don’t have a permit to (buy|carry openly|carry concealed) or otherwise “bear” same.
g) Except if you’d like to buy and take it with you right now (e.g. “waiting period” laws.)
h) Except for rocket launchers.
i) Except for surface-to-air missiles.
j) Except for nuclear arms.
Now wait a second, you say! Those last three are bullcrap in private hands!
Maybe. But if so there is a way to make them unlawful within the Constitution — pass an Amendment. Absent that, ownership of any of the above and the carrying of any of the above, without any sort of permit, is lawful.
Unwise? Maybe. And immaterial. It’s lawful and any law that says otherwise is unconstitutional.
Don’t even get me started on the Tenth Amendment.
I further challenge you to find anywhere in the Constitution where the United States Supreme Court, or any court for that matter, is empowered to re-write or as they like to say, interpret the plain language of said Constitution.
This is the sum total of what is said on same in The Constitution:
Section 1.
The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.Section 2.
The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;–to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;–to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;–to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;–to controversies between two or more states;–between a state and citizens of another state;–between citizens of different states;–between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.
The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.
So where in there do you find there the power to rip up and rewrite said Constitution?
It’s not there, and it never was.
Where there is legitimate debate over statutory construction let’s have it, and let’s have it there in the Supreme Court. But there is no debate of legitimacy over construction of the 2nd or 4th Amendments. There are excuses for adding clauses that never existed and still don’t, but they’re flatly unlawful irrespective of who pronounces otherwise. Those who claim that technology or other changes in life have made the world a different place have a means to address their concern: Pass an Amendment.
Instead what has happened in the “real world” we live in is that the government will find some thing they wish to do. They know it’s unconstitutional but they do it anyway. Someone sues, after 5 or 10 years it makes its way to the Supreme Court and the government has in the meantime done its level best to stack the court with judges that will rule as it wishes. There is no law if the courts simply ignore what’s in front of them, as occurred with Obamacare where the majority opinion ruled that a statute that was explicitly constructed not to be a tax was in fact a tax but the imposition of such a direct tax is barred from the Federal Government except in proportion to population. In other words you can be (directly) taxed but not in a different amount than someone else. This is why the 16th Amendment was necessary; to lay a tax on someone’s work in proportion to what they made was unconstitutional.
All of this game-playing in the judiciary rests on the thinnest of foundation; so-called judicial comity and stare decisis. That is, the premise that once a decision is made even if blatantly unconstitutional, it is thereafter the foundation of everything that follows and reciprocity and recognition is owed against that (blatantly unlawful) decision.
You can’t fix this with a ConCon or with “more Amendments” because they are subject to the same “interpretation” as has been all of the previous; the only solution is to unwind the previous violence done to the Constitution and then, if appropriate, pass Amendments that further constrain the rights protected by and powers delegated therein.
Those who argue otherwise are fools, and those who refuse to take up the underlying issue and address it head-on are playing with you and are attempting to get you to expend your resources on a false premise to thereby consume your efforts rather than solving the problem.
You can interest me in a ConCon when the First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments are enforced as written — not one second before.
The right place to enforce this is in fact the States. If the States will not do so, then the people have to decide whether we are 50 states or factually one statewith 50 names.
You choose but don’t blow smoke up my ass with this garbage about a “ConCon” fixing anything because it won’t.
This article has been contributed by Karl Denninger and The Market Ticker.
Karl is the author of Leverage: How Cheap Money Will Destroy the World in which he discusses the ill-use of leverage and how it is destroying the global economy, as well as where all of this will lead. The result is ugly: the value of everything—including gold—falls, and even personal safety is at risk in a world where there is limited money even for essentials like food and fuel.
I can find nothing that I would disagree about this article.
Live Free or Die…and reread your DOI
Talon1776
Is Obama constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States?
Another point that is often missed is that the Constitution is a document of enumerated powers – as every 3rd grader used to know. Today it is treated as a document of enumerated liberties. And the Bill of Rights as the only bulwark. This flipped the intent 180 degrees.
Until ~100 years ago this was known to everyone, but the authoritarians began a campaign to undermine it using the commerce clause. Now there is a virtually unlimited government and no one even asks “where is that allowed” just assuming it would be there commerce clause and hoping the Bill of Rights will stop “it” – whatever “it” is.
The author is correct though, a Con Con would serve little or no purpose when the document is ignored anyway.
The LAST thing WE want is a new constitution written by the SOBs that run this country now.
Or written by the SOBs that wish they were running it.
And the rights of the people to protest SHALL NOT BE RESTRICTED!!!! (forgotten exact wordings but the idea of standing in some designated area, away from everyone, not speaking loudly, with your little signs, and getting a permit for this– is just ludicrous!! Sickening! Our forefathers dumped tons of tea into the ocean! And that didn’t get no stinking permit either!!!
I have said here more than once that a Con Con is a very bad idea; that it would be hijacked and before it was all over the Bill of Rights would be stripped from the New Constitution.
Denninger is right. We only need to follow the existing document. Patriots should oppose a Con Con with the barrel of a gun!!!
Death to the New World Order!!! 🙂
Obama will disclose his real birth certificate after his third term as pres dictator.
Come now, we all know his “third term” will be, in actuality, the first term of Hillary Palpatine.
That chick going on for infinite terms? Oh yeah. Totally see that one happening, no sarcasm.
The Articles of Confederation should never have been replaced with the United States Constitution!
If you think the US Constitution is the source of your freedom, you are wrong. The Constitution ensured freedom’s eventual demise. (just take a good look around) The power it centralized in a federal government has gradually broken free from restraints. As long as the Constitution is worshipped, rather than understood for what it really is, America will never be free.
Where the Articles of Confederation had affirmed the sovereignty of the states, the Constitution declared itself to be the supreme law of the land. The Constitution IS an imperial document.
The best hope for America lies within the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration is a statement of rebellion and rights. It was written by a free people to assert their independence from authority. The Constitution was written by federalists and vested interests to establish a system of authority under which to administer power.
The British “mercantilist” system of taxes, controls, and monopoly privileges conferred by government was not defeated in 1783. No; it simply moved to Philadelphia in 1789.
YMWW,
You are absolutely correct.
ALL governments ARE criminal institutions used to gain a monopoly of force used to control you.
Best to not recognize ANY of them, until they bring the fight to your door. Then they should be recognized as enemy agents and dealt with accordingly.
Freedom can only come from one place … YOU. And yours can only be protected by YOU. If you seek freedom or protection from someone else, you will have neither.
YMWW and God’s Creation, I totally agree. I would love to see the Articles of confederation brought back, but we have to overthrow this evil government and system we are under now first. Our rights come from God, not from any manmade government. Regardless of what happens in the future, I still claim those same rights, regardless of what anyone’s government says.
@GC:
Good Day Sir.
Agreed.
Your post is as always SPOT ON.
Just ran across this video that sums up your post and mirrors a lot of my own opinions on being a Freeman.
ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNDRgPOLs
Best to you and yours.
@To everyone else:
Watch the damn video…..then pass it on.
Just say NO to your addiction .
Standing with ya’ll………BA.
@Ya’ll:
Just a reminder to pass the video on to those you like.
…..and to those you like not so much….lol.
………determined….BA.
That video is bull crap on a stick
It is also incredibly judgmental against those who TRY to be upstanding.
Because I am also one who believes strongly in a Libertarian, limited government, self reliant mindset I get the point of the narrator.
But problem is that it is a MAJOR STRETCH trying to portray drug dealers and crack whores as saints , meanwhile demeaning everyone else.
While I agree that until a person walks a mile in another’s shoes, they have no right to judge.
But with that said in a society where we all have to live together we must establish SOME Laws in order to live harmoniously, otherwise you have total chaos.
So I am supposed to take from this video that A drug dealer is “Saintly” just because he feeds his family?
Gimme an effin break.
How many drug dealers do it because it is easy money and along with the easy money and the food it buys for the family comes expensive cars, expensive penthouses, high dollar speed boats and gold and diamond jewelry? Ever been to Miami??
Then what about the drug dealer who pedals his poisons to those addicted, and the user gets behind the wheel, drives under the influence, and kill innocents people? Those people could be your mother or your sister or your cousin. I lost a parent as a result of someone high on heroin!!!
Go pedal this video somewhere else. It is utter liberal bullcrap propaganda
What the citizens of the United States do have now is the Constitution. The next amendment to this document should be that the courts must adhere exactly to what is written. An amendment like that would totally dismantle Big Bro. Keep the Constitution as it was originally written, with the Bill of Rights. Simple works!
The only problem with the Articles of Confederation is that it simply did not work. It created an ungovernable nation of disparate forces that could never be consolidated when needed. It could not raise taxes to pay off the war debts, and had a difficult time with anything else a government is supposed to do like raise an army or issue a common currency. Sorry, the Constitution may not be perfect, but it is a far better document than the Articles of Confederation could ever hope to be. The issue with it is that it’s interpretation has been so perverted in the intervening years as to render it virtually worthless. If courts would pay attention to the commentaries written about it by those who wrote it (The Federalist Papers) instead of interpreting it out of whole cloth then we wouldn’t be in the mess we find ourselves in today.
As for those who would want a new Constitutional Convention, be careful what you wish for. These are not honorable times populated with honorable men. Thus it is likely that the document that would emerge would trample on the very liberties you would seek to uphold. People today have no real appreciation for true tyranny. They haven’t got the historical perspective of the founders since few people here have ever lived under a real dictatorship.You have to remember that most of Europe still believed in the divine rights of kings and thus they could do as they pleased. No, you would see the “honorable” Jesse Jackson as one of the delegates to the convention, followed by a member of NOW, someone from GLAAD and if you were lucky maybe a token someone from the NRA. Do you really want to think about what kind of government comes from that? Just remember: We are a sizable minority in this country, not the majority.
Winston Smith says:
“Sorry, the Constitution may not be perfect, but it is a far better document than the Articles of Confederation could ever hope to be.
Spoken like a true Statist.
Hey Winston. What if I chose not to live under your constitution?
What would you do about it?
Would you leave me be… or would you f**k with me???
A simple answer please!
We could play THAT game all day and all night. “If I chose not to live under your articles of confederation would you leave me be or would you f**k with me?”
Academic arguments are all well and good, but Winston is probably right. If the articles were so great why were they replaced? Oh, that’s right, that was when the US went wrong. Oh wait, some other internet guy said it all went sideways when Lincoln did what he did. Oh wait, some other internet guy said it all went bad when JFK was assassinated. Oh wait, the Dems said it all went bad when we elected Reagan. Oh wait, the Repubs said it all went bad when we elected the Kenyan Interloper.
Bah. The constitution was ratified because it had a prayer of working and the articles had already proven not to have that quality. And it worked fantastically for a long time. Sane people can argue about why it’s not working as well now or when it started to sour, but hopefully we can all agree that it’s not working as well as it once did and that it’s pretty damn sour at the moment.
As for a Con Con, yes, by all means let’s rip up that document and then put Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham and Barack Obama and John Boehner and Hillary Clinton and Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi in charge of replacing the document written by Ben Franklin and George Washington and James Madison and Alexander Hamilton that we all have lived all our lives under. Yeah, that should be a step in the right direction, with no unintended consequences at all.
Kvetching about how and where things went wrong is fun, but the facts on the ground are that we have a pretty serviceable document that they aren’t even pretending to follow anymore. They won’t follow the articles of confederation or any replacement document with any more fidelity.
I would leave you be unless you threatened me and my way of life. In other words, kick in my door and you will find out what exactly the second amendment and stand your ground mean. Anything you do that doesn’t affect my life is of little to no concern to me. So please, spare me your idiotic vitriol. I will bury you intellectually.
YMWW: Whether the Articles of Confederation would be better than the US Constitution as we have it, is a moot point and obscures the issue.
Reality is what it is and the question before US is whether a Con Con would give US more, or less freedom than we have now.
I say less, and I say “No!!!” 🙂
No
Could Obama pass a background check for handling classified information? The answer is undoubtedly no but does not count because our federal government has become royalty and do not have to obey the laws of our land.
I’m always getting emails about a ConCon, sure just what we need! Let a bunch of Modern Day Lawyers rewrite the Constitution, It would be 20,000 pages long and weigth 100 lbs. and we would have to approve it to find out what is in it. No Thanks! Lets stick with the old one and try enforcing it. And impeach any potitician that don’t adhere to the one we have. Trekker Out. Born Free, Die Free!
My biggest opposition is that I have zero zilch nada faith that there would be any patriots, lovers of freedom, champions of and for the people involved with the authoring any portion of a Constitutional modification.
We have a government demanding that it be served, a CC would put that on steroids.
Tin foil hat alert:
The current constitution is incompatible with the North American Union, Canada and Mexico will except it as is. A CC is a platform to a North American Union friendly constitution. Any constitution written under false pretense isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.
Proof reading alert:
The current constitution is incompatible with the North American Union, Canada and Mexico will NOT except it as is.
If you are going to correct yourself, Canada and Mexico will not ACCEPT it as is. But then again, I don’t care what Canada and Mexico want any way.
GC, without exception I accept your exceptional correction of my mistake of of using except in place of accept. I have been exceptionally exposed as a flawed user of accept. You should see me use by bye buy and bi or there their they’re or sale sail cell or sense since/cents scents……..
If we could change it for the better it would be ruled illegal. There is not an “easy” way outta this mess.
At a ConCon, EVERYTHING is on the table, from WE THE PEOPLE on. Who actually thinks amendment II wouold survive? No government formed since has included anything like amendment II.
Some people say removal of the Second Amendment is one of the (secret) main goals of a ConCon. I must confess I agree with them, with adding the rest of the Bill of Rights to the chopping block. The enemies of the Constitution never sleep, and does ANYONE really think they wouldn’t hijack the platform? That the votes wouldn’t be rigged? Or, even if it limited government power, that the powers that be would pay attention to that constitution anymore than the current one? I see no good coming from a ConCon…just another way to “legalize” eviscerating our rights. Molon Labe, motherfuckers! I live on my feet, I won’t die on my knees!
There are people who have spent their entire adult lives laying awake at night planning for a ConCon. They are not patriots, they are not freedom-loving Americans, they despise the country we have and will turn it into a third world kleptocracy with them at the top and the rest of us at the bottom.
The US constitution only says that there WILL BE a supreme court. nothing about 9 justices or said court having the final say in EVERYTHING. If memory serves, the supreme court gave itself the final say on everything sometime in the late 19th cantury. The leftists love courts because that is the only they can impose their will.
When those who work for the Government, or those Elected and who all take the Public Oath of Office to Protect and Defend the US Constitution, then go ahead and breach their Oath, why are they all not instantly removed from their employment and charged with TREASON? Where is the enforcement of their Oath? Treason usually means to be Hanged or face a Firing Squad. I would gladly volunteer for that Firing Squad Duty with Pleasure.
The only issue I have is the what about the First Amendment.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
1) Except when you want to scream fire in a crowded auditorium.
I was going to say the same thing Talon. I actually wanted to disagree…to think that a ConCon would help. This really laid out well why it won’t. Nicely done!
A Constitutional Convention will just make it change “officially” to a Lib-ville country permanently….. IT will have to come to a revolution first….The political elites control who runs and wins elections, no longer the voters. We get a choice of the lessor of two evils to elect. At some point the people will have to get fed up and hit the streets and be willing to give up their worldly possessions to do it…..
The collectivists that currently occupy positions of power in D.C. don’t follow the Constitution now as it is. What makes anyone think that they would do anything but endeavor to further degrade it should such a convention take place?
Most of them have been educated to HATE the Constitution. For them, it is merely a speed-bump on the path to their agenda of implementing their New World Order.
A pox on all of them.
Good article!
Another good article just published by Chris Hedges at his website… it is about climate change, which may offend a lot of you, however, please overlook that part if you don’t want to read it.
The point is, even though he leans toward the left somewhat, he is very, very knowledge about the elites and what they have done to this country. He constantly calls for a revolution. (actually, he puts down liberals as well as the conservative politicians).
Please visit his website and read his latest article. Its about fighting back!!
I have to agree with the author, it is those who refuse to follow their oaths of office that are the problem and NOT the US constitution itself. The biggest problem we face is this cannot be fixed in a few elections what is needed is far larger and unfortunately will end up being more divisive and violent because of government indoctrination of truly uninformed. When only 26% know the three branches of government or the constitution for that matter make a return to “constitutional fundamentals” difficult. I never thought I would see the day when you expect our government to follow the constitution and operate on revenues or less you would be considered a radical or an extremist.
The US Government follows the Constitution. Isn’t it something like ‘We the Gubby form a perfect Anarchy….’
Ugly-
They’ll probably re-write it in Ebonics…or lawyer tongue / weasel-speak.
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“..there comes a time when normal men are compelled to spit on their hands, hoist the black-flag…and begin slitting throats.”
— H.L Mencken
Amen to that!
I want a Constitutional Amendment that if 1/3 of the Legislature or Senate challange a law signed by the President. It must go before the Supreme court before enacted.
Hmmm..Dave…what if it’s a liberal court with a liberal congress and executive branch…just want your thoughts…
I want a complete purge of ALL sitting politicians, judges, and department top tier directors and management, followed by changest like absolute term limits, no appointments by presidents of justices, or department heads,
Should i go on…….
I want a complete purge of ALL sitting politicians, judges, and department top tier directors and management, followed by changest like absolute term limits, no appointments by presidents of justices, or department heads,
Should i go on…….
I’m with you Kula…get rid of them all…
If I had enough money to send half of them to China in a slow boat, I’d send all of them half-way.
Amen to the “slow boat” Walt. Wouldn’t it be fun to inform all of them at the 1/4 mark that they only had a 1/2 way ticket. Payback is a bitch!
Well Talon. You tell me how we keep subversive anti-Constitutionalists out of the government.
Even with all the RINO’s, 1/3 of the Repubs would have challanged Obamacare and brought it to the Supreme court with my suggested Amendment.
Liberalism is a disease — Michael Savage
Like all diseases..it must be purged from the host for the host to survive. You ask the question of how do you keep subversive anti-constitutionlist from government? I can offer many suggestions on how to accomplish that without a legislative amendment.
1. Abolish the EO from the President. No President should have that kind of power to makeup law to fit his/her agenda and circumvent God Given Rights.
2. Abolish Lobbyist. These are the vermin who operate to remove our rights in the interest of Greed.
3. Institute Term Limits on all branches of Government. The Founders warned us of career politicians.,but more venomous is the career government department heads who are unelected and legislate through regulation and create Tyranny without Congressional input. These people cannot be allowed to make regulation without you and I having a say in it and bully us with the use of guns and tyrants.
4. Outlaw the Democratic Party. We can have a multi-party system, but not parties that seek to reduce, remove or enslave the God Given Rights of the American People by use of public money. To me..that is a insidious..seditious act of treason.
5. Shrink the size and scope of Government and restore its principle core. Eliminate most of the alphabet soup government bureaucracy, abolish all unconstitutional regulations.
6. Abolish the Federal Reserve Act/restore the Gold Standard/eliminate Central Banking.
These are just some of the real tangible ways to remove anti-constitutionlist from government. Subversion should carry the penalty of a swift trial and punitive result…if We The People have the balls to stand by what we say and mean it. As long as these banksters and globalist continue unimpeded.. We will have war to correct and restore the Republic.
Please add any other measures you think could remove the disease from the host my fellow Patriots.
Live Free or Die for the sake of the Country
Talon1776
Talon:
#6 must become #1 or nothing will ever change.
When a government fears the people…there is Liberty
…When the people fear the government…there is tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
…to which Id add the fact that Mr.Jefferson was not in favor of the constitution…he was the prime author of the Declaration and stood with the anti-federalists and demanded a Bill of Rights bee added to the deal when he couldnt stop it…the Articles may have been weak in some areas and the central govt was weak but personal liberty and state sovereignty were central to the plan and a strong central govt wasnt something men who understood tyranny were wanting….in many ways the passing of the constitution undermined and usurped the freedom so hard won…just a few thoughts to ponder…REB
I’d go for a mandatory boot camp for all elected that teaches ethics, the constitution and US history. Must be attended prior to taking office and it must be at a min of 6 weeks long, 8 hours a day 6 days a week.
A referendum process for investigation of government where the people with a simple majority can force an investigation of government by NGO’s of the peoples choice, at all levels of government. Unimpeded with full subpoena power.
Death for violating the public trust and the oath of office. No excuse, they had a boot camp that taught them, if they failed to learn, too bad.
apparently some of you missed the boat long ago, the supreme court ruled years ago that the first ten amendments could not be changed, could not be voted on by your so called leaders, and it was not subject to a vote, wake the hell up, they are only trying to push their tryanny on the whole country.
The US Government does not want to recognize the 4th Leg of Government and that is “WE THE PEOPLE” Checks and Balances. To them we are just their Debt Slaves to pay taxes so they can lavish themselves with all the power and our treasury to spend at their pleasure.
The Congress has too much power of the Purse. Tax payers should have the right on our federal tax returns to pick and ]choose what programs we want to be funded. Its tie to bankrupt the DOD, which is the cause of at least half of the National Debt.
SF:
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. What I would like to see if the House and Senate pass a law. The People should get to vote on it. Then it becomes law. If you have a bill only one thing can be on that bill and not add amendments and other things to it.
Sgt.
…but only people who have a vested interest in the issue…in other words folks who own nothing dont get a vote on things that raise property taxes…or those on welfare dont get a say in raising their bennies. Actually Id like to see what Ill call a Constitutional litmus test applied to any proposed bill BEFORE it even gets to the consideration point…if it cant pass that test it gets scrapped before even being considered AND the lawyer polytick that proposed it gets sacked for his insolence in wasting our time in an attempt to impose lawlessness on us! thanks, REB
Do yourselves a favor. Take the constitution and put it into a word processor. Then count the words dedicated to what government can, shall and must do. You’ll find that 95% of the words in the document empower government to do the things it does while a mere 5% protect individual liberties. The constitution is working precisely like it was designed to do, namely give cover to a large centralized government apparatus. The individual and their rights were an afterthought. Article 1, Section 8 alone places almost limitless power within government. Coupled with the 16th amendment government could tax us all at a rate of 99% and that would be “constitutional”. It does not protect property rights whatsoever. Take a look and you’ll see that the word property is only used one time and that is in regard to government property. The constitution is a feckless screed and does nothing to protect individual liberty.
You deserve more than just a thumbs down, most likely a government shill
You are wrong, and David is right!
And you call him a “government shill?”
As a Statist shill, “you deserve more than just a thumbs down,” and you’ve got it… The government you deserve!
To each his own,
But guys like you dont think people should have opinions unless they align with yours eh
You’ve got that backwards.
Something tells me that if I had my own “opinion,” and tried to live free of your precious constitution, I would be met with violence. Tell me that’s not so.
BTW… Ask the native Hawaiians’ their “opinion” of your constitution.
“Guys like you don’t think people should have opinions unless they align with yours.”
Absolutely correct. It’s interesting that my brief comment got so many thumbs down. That just reinforces what I’ve known for sometime, that while many profess to be liberty minded in the end most are statists. I did get a good laugh over Kulafarmer calling me a government shill. If he knew me personally he’d see that I am anything but. As a Christian anarchist I have nothing but disdain for government including the military. The problem is that nobody will take a few hours and actually go through the exercise that I did, read the constitution in its entirety several times and analyze it, count words, etc. That would involve real work and a genuine thought process. Most folks are too lazy to do that and rely on others to do their thinking for them.
I appreciate you sharing your thought and perspective. I learned, not long ago enough to listen to those I don’t agree with. Feeling ‘threatened’ is my natural, first response and when that happens I have learned to back up and rethink/investigate my beliefs.
So, while I don’t agree with you I absolutely WILL study further.
David says:
“That just reinforces what I’ve known for sometime, that while many profess to be liberty minded in the end most are Statists.”
And that’s the truth!
People who claim to support “Freedom and Liberty” step all over their d**ks when they vote for “rulers.”
In doing so (voting), freedom and liberty is diminished.
With every election cycle, the “vote“ makes the problem worse.
And the sheep wonder why?
You get the government you deserve!!!
My guess is that you are an anarchist or maybe a sovereign citizen. You don’t believe that there should be any authority outside of yourself. If I am correct, then I have a question for you: How exactly would you propose that mankind live? If we all do what is our natural choosing, then we will eventually devolve into a system where the strong subjugate the weak, and all that matters is some perverse form of social Darwinism. Individual men are capable of great kindness, but take away laws and reasons for living in harmony with others and most would devolve into cruelty and seeking their own desires at the expense of whoever gets in their way. Man is inherently evil. Thus, I do not trust every man to be capable of self-governance. There needs to be some standard of law. What, if any, do you propose we have?
@David, What a dumbass, Read the 5th Amendment regarding Property rights, that clearly states. “The Takings Clause
Private property shall not be taken for a public use, without just compensation.” By you either you Skipping High School -History Class does not do your Brain any good. Or are you just another byproduct of “Common Core” fundamentals.
Read the 5th Amendment regarding Property rights, that clearly states. “The Takings Clause
Yea eight years , two court judgements and still no compensation………….waiting.
@David…..
Bovine Scat.
What a lucid and intelligent comment. Must be a product of the Prussian influenced government schools.
I also find little I would disagree with in the article. So that leaves us with this, to get a “Reset” we have to eliminate the Democrat party and a portion of the Republican party, then do a social revolution on the order of Pol Pot.
When and how do we start? Or do we just flap our jaws?
I thumbed you down, when you propose a social revolution on the order of Pol
Pot you’ve lost me as a supporter. I don’t care what the political motives are or what the desired political outcomes happen to be. You may as well be selling your soul to the devil, I heard there’s a cross road in Mississippi that you can that.
Its past time to illiminate the District of Criminals or Secede!
Thinker,I would rather eliminate DC but otherwise agree.
Thinker:
Tis time to illuminate the ILLUMANITI–and then eliminate all of them. Most problems facing the world would immediately be solved. Those International Banksters that we so despise is part and parcel of the illuminati.
Do your research.
Let’s say the Gubby followed two things:
1. Love The Lord your God, with….
2. Love thy neighbor as thy self….
Then we would have no wars, no hate, and true fellowship….
But we would also have no war industry. Dang, the love stuff must go….
Except that it is not the government you would have to worry about. It’s all the other peoples of all of the other nations on Earth, most of which to not subscribe to Christianity. Plus, even if you did have that, you would have no freedom of conscience since you would be forced to submit before God. Now, this will happen eventually, but here on Earth it is important that people have a real faith and not just a phony one imposed upon them by the rule of law.
The Constitution is already perfect in what it says. And no where does it state that there is a separation of Church and State. The First Amendment just establishes the fact that there will not be a State Religion. I am a Christian and wish that everyone was also a follower of Jesus Christ, but Thank God that we live in a Country where everyone has the right to worship who every they desire, Or No One At All. Trekker Out. Freedom At Any Cost.
Is Article 1, Section 8 perfect?
Is the 16th amendment perfect?
Do I like to pay Taxes? NO. But do I like many of the things they provide? Yes. The problem is, what are the expenditures they go for. I think those thing might be layed out in the Constitution. Trekker Out.
You don’t pay taxes. You are stolen from. There’s a huge distinction.
Old man,
That religion stuff preaches that homosexuality is horrible. I love all manner of sexual perversion except some pedo shit.
Sorry Son, homosexuality ain’t only horrible, it’s an abomination. So once you get past 15, please try and change your ways. Trekker Out.
Except “some” pedo shit?
Because “some” pedo shit is okay?
What in the Sam hell are you saying????
I wouldn’t say it’s a perfect document. However, I think that in it’s original interpretation is does as good a job as man has ever done at setting up a system of governance. Even so, the original was flawed too in that it still allowed for slavery and that presidential elections were done by the Senate (if memory serves) and not direct election. Even now, the whole electoral college thing is a flawed compromise between direct election and the original intent. Respect the Constitution, but don’t worship it. It is of man, not of God.
Hey UGLY – Stuff your Religion, which is the cause of most wars. And for the facts, the Word God or Jebus or Christianisy is not included in the US Constitution. Here are the Facts:
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble: “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union….” The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.
And later this confirmation that the US Was NOT founded by or in any way under Christianity, and as also stated and included in the Treaty of Tripoly and ratified 100% by congress and signed by the president. Here is the part in the Treaty of Tripoly June 7th 1797.
Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation. See Article 11.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Maybe you should put your Babble down and pick up a History book. Your opinions do not reflect any facts.
WWTI:
That “Babble” that you so like to defame is a history book.
In that book Jesus Christ warned people centuries ago what would happen to America and the worlds governments if we ever let the “money changers” take control of the purse.
All your posts contain info about these same “money changers” and you propose to do to them exactly what Jesus Christ has in store for them in the not to distant future.
Had Christians ever stood up to these Banksters that Christ told us not to be affiliated with in any way; we would not have the mess we are dealing with today.
He lost his life telling people the truth…..I am pretty sure with the “hate speech” and Noahide laws on the horizon that modern day “truthtellers” will be their next targets. One of the invited guests on Faux news today K.T.?, said we needed to have hate speech laws enforced. Want to guess what she was really saying? Both of us know you can spew anything you want about “whitey” with no problem, so who was she talking about?
The New Testament particularly Revelation should be of interest to you. It tells you precisely what is happening; and with your curiosity, it will help you to understand what is going to happen.
I ask you sometime ago just where you think you came from. Did you ooze up out of the ocean? I think you never answered my question. I would be interested to hear from you.
Your friend, Granny
Granny. The bible never mentions America or the USA or even dinasaurs. Even the birth of Jesus is off years in the bible. Its a good read book like harry pottor. Saurcery and demons.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/scam-alert-hospitals-all-over-america-are-wildly-inflating-medical-bills
This medical profiteering shit has got to go. $30 for a fucking single aspirin pill? Hundreds of thousands for surgery? Fucking enough is enough. Ban all government medical spending.
Work out and eat organic so you wont even have to deal with these fucking cunt doctors.
I have a solution for Health Care in the US. Absolutely Free Health Care for every citizen. All the cost be passed to those as a tax according to Gross Income and Corporations included to pay, since some think they are people too. No loopholes or exemptions. Many great things will come out of this. Efficiency, cost controls, no more insurance companies skimming a useless layer of profit that serves no purpose of actual health care. Those who make the most money will have a greater stake and skin in the game to make sure no more fraud, and cost controls. Pretty simple eh?
Acid Etch:
Are all doctors females? If this is so; my doctor is posing as a guy.
Old bitch,
The word cunt is here used as a general curse aimed at both men and woman doctors. You are too sensitive.
I would much rather you skirts stay the hell in the kitchen and out of any profession that requires critical thinking skills.
Use some lube if you can’t get it wet anymore, granny.
WOAH! That was uncalled for. Man.
Civility is indeed dead.
Acid Wretch:
I dont know what your problem is but I would guess it is hard to pronounce.
You are about as important as a white crayon.
Gear review: DWR durable water repellent coating.
Just bought Under Armour Storm fleece pants and hoodie in camo featuring this DWR technology. I put the fleece under the bathroom faucet and ran hot water over it and the fleece was repelling all of the water! Highly recommended as a midlayer or stand alone winter exercise suit.
I googled that Mountain Hardware is making jeans with this DWR coating. Definitely on my wish list.
You Dummy, it never rains hot water. Trekker Out.
MT,perhaps not,but might be useful if you are scaling the walls and they run out of boiling oil and end up using boiled water to repel attackers,need to improvise!
Oooh, steam burns, there’s a hoot in a handbag for ya!
WD never thought of that. We’re put Acid Etch in the forward column. Trekker Out.
MT Trek. It rains pretty warm water here in Florida, as the steam rises off the roads in an afternoon shower. What Acid was pointing out is that hot water molecules are smaller than cold water ice cubes. Meaning it retains repelling warmer water. Don’t be so quick to criticize whatever Acid says. He does hit the mark on occasion.
If you ever notice warm water freezes quicker than cold water because the warmer water molecules are less dense than cold water. Do the Ice Cube tray experiment to illustrate this phenomenon.
Peter Cheese,
The point is if it fully repels hot water than it can easily handle freezing rain…hot water is more penetrating. Just like I would do to your old butt. Acid out.
AE ,
There has been Some really cool tech in outer garments this year , try Some of the soft shell jackets by TAD gear and Vertx , some have that new climate guard technology to control body temp really neat stuff, light weight , durable and keeps you dry and warm .
Mountain Hardware really makes some neat stuff also try Wild Things Tactical they started out as a mountaineering company and they now make gear for spec ops units.
All this stuff is highly packable and most is made here in the US.
You get the under armor stuff in Multicam?
Semper Fi 8541
Hoodie in realtree, pants in risk red as they don’t make camo fleece pants so far.
However, UA does make a good line of hunting camo with scent control technology. With customer pressure Columbia has also now started making camo gear.
Gear review: Columbia camo heavyweight baselayer with Omni Heat thermal reflective liner.
Don’t expect miracles from the Omni Heat, but it’s still a top quality product, super comfortable and warm. Half price now on the Columbia website.
I can also attest to the omni heat tech wore that in -20 on a runway up far north stopped the wind and keeps you warm . If you are really going out long term in sub freezing this is what you want .
Wind was blowing so hard you could not be comfortable with out eye protection, I even had ice inside my glacier glasses but the rest of me was warm . Check out the outdoor research firebrand gloves they have them in Multicam and the are military approved and near IR compliant for duty use.
Just ordered some more Omni Heat base layers , thanks for the sale tip.
You have good taste in gear.
I think this coming winter we are really going to need gear like this .
Semper Fi 8541
I also have the Columbia Hellfire down jacket with 550 down filler and Omni Heat. I have yet to field test it in freezing conditions. So far I know its nowhere near as warm as my old heavyweight down parkas nor, as a softshell, is it waterproof for anything but light precipitation but I still rated it highly.
My #1 for freezing conditions is still my old LL Bean Heritage Duffle Coat.
I put Penguin spray on my wool and leather coats to add weatherproofing capabilities and reduce fading from the sun. I even use it on synthetics to prevent fading.
Deppressing
What I am about to say is depressing. I think we have passed the point of fixing this. Too many people are dependent on government. I do believe that when it all comes apart we will have an opportunity. We first must win. Then we must put limits on federal government period or this will happen again. I am not sure it can be stopped. Right now it is the only peaceful solution. The problem is too much damage has already been done without a lot of pain. Too many people don’t care anyway. They just want all of us to support them. So It is something to consider if and only if we win the fight and endure the pain that is coming.
Mike in Va
Right you are, we live in the real world and sometimes it sucks. Reality is painful and we’ve got a lot of reality coming our way.
Mike,
It’s very depressing.
I’m afraid that for many years society was asleep at the wheel and during those years men questing for power set in motion event and policy to increase their power and wealth. We all have come to know this.
Have enough awakened to realize the horror of what is going on? Sadly, I don’t think so, many “preppers” are too much invested into lone wolf scenarios that large scale organization at this juncture is highly improbable.
I think the Founding Fathers would be sickened and horrified at what this country has become today, or even 50 years ago.
I have seen many comparisons drawn between us and the Roman Empire, mostly on how the empire spent nearly a 1000 years in decline (if memory serves). This “great experiment in democracy” has only been around for a tiny fraction of the time the Romans had. Our decline will be much faster. By my best reckoning, and I know others will disagree, we started our descent sometime in the 80’s and that puts us about 30 some odd years in. Some will say Nixon, others, the creation of the Federal Reserve.
It’s a mess, a big one, getting bigger by the day with the jackass in charge putting us farther and farther out there. Will it fall apart soon? I don’t know. But when it does, the damage will be global and on a scale that civilization has never seen before.
Any mouse
I agree. I have seen those comparisons. They are amazing close. The problem now is that it will be global. I don’t think we will just let all this happen without war. Every time there are economic issues there is war. That is also proven by history. That is also such a fear. A world war now could destroy us all. We are playing with fire now in Syria. Hopefully we don’t get burned. With the idiot we have in charge who knows.
The reason it has passed the point of no return, is that the collectivists have control of the educational system. The population has been thoroughly dumbed-down and brainwashed.
So sorry, I meant to thumbs up you not thumbs done. Wish we could in unclick our accidents here.
We’re beyond a Constitutional Convention, we’re so split in this country that revolution, civil war, or martial law and a combination of all the above is due.
I could say I hope it never happens, but the truth is it just is what it is. Prep, lock and load, keep your powder dry and sharpen your hatchet.
y99
We posted at the same time. Great minds think alike.
In all fairness, the original United States Constitution actually granted far reaching and broad powers *TO* the government. The Bill of Rights was added three years later to correct the glaring omissions.
Here are a few history facts for you regarding our most important additions to the U.S. Constitution…the Bill of Rights:
1. Why was the Bill of Rights tacked onto the Constitution just three years after its ratification in June 1788? Essentially, anti-Federalist delegates objected to the proposed draft, arguing that it provided a framework for a new centralized government but failed to safeguard individual liberties and states’ rights. They finally agreed to ratify the Constitution on the condition that Congress amend the document to include these protections.
2. While drafting the Bill of Rights, James Madison drew heavily on the Virginia Declaration of Rights, written by George Mason and ratified shortly before the Constitution of Virginia in June 1776. Considered the first constitutional protection of individual rights, it also provided a blueprint for the U.S. Declaration of Independence and France’s Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen.
3. Since America’s founding fathers had just spent years fighting for independence from Britain, it might seem ironic that an English law—the Bill of Rights of 1689—served as another inspiration for the U.S. Bill of Rights. The two documents share a number of guarantees, including the right to petition and protection again “cruel and unusual punishments.”
4. James Madison was an unlikely author of the proposed amendments that eventually became the Bill of Rights. He initially argued that the Constitution itself sufficiently restricted the federal government and that Americans inherently enjoyed natural rights even in the absence of laws ensuring them. Madison’s mentor Thomas Jefferson, who was then serving as ambassador to France, helped convince him of their necessity in 1789.
5. Despite its seemingly inclusive wording, the Bill of Rights did not apply to all Americans—and it wouldn’t for more than 130 years. At the time of its ratification, the “people” referenced in the amendments were understood to be land-owning white men only. Blacks only received equal protection under the law in 1868, and even then it was purely on paper. Women couldn’t vote in all states before 1920, and Native Americans did not achieve full citizenship until 1924.
6. The original Bill of Rights included 12 amendments, but only 10 became law in 1791. One of the omitted articles, which deals with the size of electoral districts, has yet to be ratified. The other, which prohibits pay raises for Congress members until the next election takes place, was ratified in 1992 as the 27th Amendment.
7. George Washington commissioned 14 handwritten copies of the Bill of Rights—one for each of the original 13 colonies and one for Congress. Twelve of the originals survive to this day. North Carolina’s copy disappeared during the Civil War when a Union soldier took it home as a souvenir; it resurfaced in 2003 thanks to the efforts of an undercover FBI agent.
8. One hundred fifty years after the Bill of Rights became law, President Franklin D. Roosevelt called on the American people to observe December 15 as Bill of Rights Day. Just days after he made his speech, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and celebrations were cancelled. Though relatively obscure, it remains a federal holiday
Weren’t many of the things you brought up corrected in the Federalist papers?
note question mark.
Heres a quote off google about the Federalist Papers.
The Federalist Papers are a series of 85 articles and essays written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay promoting the ratification of the United States Constitution. Seventy-seven were published serially in The Independent Journal and The New York Packet between October of 1787 and August 1788. A compilation of these and eight others, called The Federalist; or, The New Constitution, was published in two volumes in 1788 by J. and A. McLean.[1] The series’ correct title is The Federalist; the title The Federalist Papers did not emerge until the twentieth century.
Though the authors of The Federalist Papers foremost wished to influence the vote in favor of ratifying the Constitution, in Federalist No 1 they explicitly set that debate in broader political terms:
http://www. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10074029/Shootings-and-machete-attack-in-south-east-London-live.html
‘Soldier beheaded’ in Woolwich machete attack: as it happened
Problem is we have a massive unelected bureaucracy that is so far reaching and punitive that nothing short of systemic collapse will ever dismantle it..
And none of these bureaucracies follow the guidelines of the Constitution whatsoever…
The present system of government here and globally is nothing more than an arm of powerful, unelected,robber barons paying off politicians,
actually writing legislation for the legislature,
and coercing their well paid stooges that we elected to do their bidding…
not ours..period!
Had it been otherwise..none of the present state we’re in would exist…
The Constitution exists only for our benefit..not theirs..as none of them have probably ever read it!
.Judges are appointed for life both locally and federally as they too are nothing more than scurrilous lawyers who kissed enough ass, and contributed heavily to their respective pols for potential favors…and then when appointed..do their corporate masters bidding as well..
Our system of currency is explicit in being issued ONLY by Congress..yet now we’ve had over 100 years of our currency issued,printed, and managed by a cabal of centralized private bankers…
One could go on and on …but what’s the point?
As George Caril, RIP, so aptly stated..
“It’s a big club…..and you ain’t in it”
Enjoy the day
possee
George Carlin…sorry
HAHA , I didnt see your post before i spewed my dribble.
It would have been easier just to give ya a thumbs up.
Right on the money!
It’s a system run by banksters and lawyers, and plain and simple, they are evil mofos.
The Supreme Courts are designed to “override” the Constitution and dismantle the Bill Of Rights thru “precedence ruling”. Liberals are appointed and remain loyal to their leader…..Satan.
This article gives some good insight to the blind and ignorant, but to those that have it figured out, well, lets just say it is a waste of time to discuss any attempt at “Constitutional Convention”.
It would be like pissing in the wind; it feels good and relieving at the moment until you have realized all you have done is created a mess.
The people that could have pulled it off and moved the country in the direction of operating under the Constitutional laws, instead of “laws of the liberals”, are all dead.
Those were the generations of folks like my great grandparents, that were just too busy trying to survive or get ahead, to pay enough attention to politics and government actions. They put too much faith in those they elected.
Now the grand Master is the only One that can fix it. We just have to be prepared to ride out the storm until He does.
Sorry folks, I have to say with honesty and sincerity that i love the idea of taking our country/gov back from the thieves; but, it is kinda like what my ole grandpappy use to say, when as a kid i would say that i wished for something big. His response was always the same to those grand illusions of mine.
“Well, boy, you just as well wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one gets full first”.
PWTW:
You and I know things are going to get far worse. All subjects at SHTF just allow us to blow off steam; nothing changes for the better.
Today in NYC there are thousand upon thousands marching about climate change. A quick look at the protestors gives you an idea of who some of the ragtags are that we will be confronted with when SHTF.
Like I posted earlier; patriots dont seem to be able to organize a 2 car funeral. Preposterous BS’ers like Glen Beck suggesting that “love” will turn this facade we call government around. When is his patriotic march on Washington scheduled to demand the government stop with their illegal EX orders, illegal immigration (hell, he has ask listeners to his bs to send donations to be given to churches harboring those illegals and to date his “sheep” have sent over $1 million; aw but it is for the children). We are being duped by the left, but we are also being duped by false patriots.
Both you and I, PWTW, know it is going to go “AS IT IS WRITTEN”. GREAT POST PWTW.
Excellent!
“The present system of government here and globally is nothing more than an arm of powerful, unelected,robber barons paying off politicians,
actually writing legislation for the legislature,
and coercing their well paid stooges that we elected to do their bidding…
not ours..period!”
Thats what has to go, the MASSIVE payroll of government, it was never meant to be THE place to work,
Locally its a joke, total bunch of crooks who have forgotten that they are working for the people to assist and facilitate, instead they see their positions to regulate demean and control!
I know not everywhere is like that but it has gotten ridiculous.
They can stuff their game
Lets remember that alot of the issues we have are not brought on by real legislation.
IE: Hand gun permits , that aint law that is regulation.
And all this regulation is written by unelected , handpicked and well paid shills for whomever appoints them.
Before we go rippin into the constitution and allow a government(socialist) coup to happen , lets stop agencies like DOE , EPA etc. from acting as lawmakers.
I would be okay with a constitutional convention IF it was to fix the various obviously vague things in the constitution and include rights like a right to privacy.
for example – the original articles of confederation made it legal for all States to coin money, (adhering to standards of purity and weight), I want that back. Also, the articles of confederation made it clear about militia, the militia is not clearly defined in the present constitution. The 2nd amendment should be better written, making it clear that U.S. citizens have the right to own arms and the ability to manufacture them, including ammo, (of course) and defined to be for the purpose of defending oneself from criminals, crooked government types, etc., and for the purpose of procuring food.
what is also needed is a specific prohibition of invading and occupying other countries, the army was only allowed for, so the government could operate across State borders, not in other countries. A second look also needs to be taken at the standing navy, which was created because you couldn’t stop Americans from building their own ships and shipping stuff around to make money and the founding fathers didn’t want the British navy, (and others), from grabbing U.S. ships and people. The British would usually find them guilty of treason against the empire and were sentenced to so many years of hard labor, often in America. Funny thing is, that’s a big part of how America got started.
Unfortunately, none of the things you want to see will be in any ConCon. Don’t delude yourself.
What will be in there:
1.) Elimination by express language of any right to privacy. It’s judicially implied right now, but will be written out, for our own good.
2.) Revision of the Second Amendment by adding the following : ‘except where regulated by law’. That’s all they need to do to destroy it.
3.) Proportionate balloting : Minorities will have weighted voting to bring their influence at the polls up to majority level.
4.) Added rights to guaranteed income, gov’t medical care, and guaranteed food for all. Guess where all that will come from.
5.) Parliamentary elections, with two or more parties forming a coalition government to stay in power.
6.) Citizenship for anyone residing here, including illegals. Citizenship for anyone claiming asylum.
7.) Removal of the right to property.
8.) Limiting defense expenditures to 2% of the GNP, like Japan. Of course, no other country will limit theirs.
9.) Environmental fascism as a human right.
10.) The list can go on, the left has been planning and salivating for a ConCon for 50 years, you can kiss the entire American culture goodbye when they get it. Whatever folks may not like about America, they need to think about the good bits, because it will all be gone once they get their hands on our founding wisdom.
con con …NO NO AND HELL NO…
Just like everything else “they”, put your glasses on to see them, will co-op the whole process and corrupt it to the finest of points…
What Bill of Rights…no no you misunderstood the founders. They were ten “Amendments”…We don’t need them anymore, we’ll just delete them…OR ELSE…
We get to that point…Give me… OR ELSE!! nomi.
Under no circumstances let these ungodly, unthankful people tamper with this great document. The only words that are better is the Holy Scriptures it self.
Offen people complain how out dated this document is. The problem is not the document, it is us……..
Notice how in some circles, they are rewriting biblical scriptures to suit the times, to suit certain groups, religions, as to not offend or attempt to make irrelevant the words of the Prophets or Jesus.
They seek to change the times and history…….Teach our children well as well as our grandchildren……
my opinion
Good article by Mr. Denninger and also good comments from David and Socrates.
The Constitution was never meant to reign in .gov. The Bill of rights was. Natural rights trumps all…even though asserting them may get you killed by LE since they don’t recognize them.
Become a freeman and embrace your natural rights.
I’ve always wondered as a kid if I would see either a second revolution or a Third World War. Now… I very well might. This train is off the rails and headed for the floor of the canyon. I just feel sorry for my wife and my daughter. They didn’t ask for this.
The most important thing that has happened in trashing the purpose of the Constitution was the sell off of the monetary system to the banking system and perverting the true coinage from gold and silver by “legal tender laws”.
The central banking system now pulls the strings by inflating or deflating the currency and bankrupting the nation and the people all the while skimming their usury.
Hang the bankers.
Impeach the Supreme court. It matters not what laws you create when a corrupt Court can nullify them. It is no accident that the Supreme Court is full of only Jews and Catholics.
I believe a national convention to enforce/recognize the bill of rights and all is in order,see who if any running for office truly support this type of action,we probably know the answer there excepting 1 or 2 lone voices that are quickly marginalized by the msm/their own parties ect.
The main issue IMHO is not the constitution itself rather the influence of multi national corporations marketing it and to avoid its true content to be known and applied. As some one stated above and correctly so, just look at the horde of young people camping for days in front of Apple Store to get their new Iphone. At the same time the same generation signs a petition to help ISIS as it was conducted by a reporter on one of the colleges telling them very clearly this is to help ISIS since and they are good people. While Many laughed including myself but it really shows the depth of the problem.
Not to worry. The country will fall apart before we can get to a convention.
I feel so much better.
Last week a new stone was added to the GA Guide Stones. A notch was cut out several years ago and was finally filled with a stone engraved with “2014”. ….Ebola?
Those things need to be torn down. If they weren’t a cash cow for the county, I’m sure someone would have already succeeded. Point a bulldozer in the right direction and let ‘er rip.
They are nothing more than someones feeble attempt at a “modern day” stonehenge.
Rumor is Ted Turner is behind it.
Burt G.
I do not know enough about the jah-ja guidestones. Have researched some of it but like to know just who was instructed to put in the 2014 stone. Anyone know?
Will one of you local posters bulldoze the damn thing,money is tight but will put up a 20 towards the fuel/dc9 rental.
Sorry to go off topic….. 3 Afghan military members gone missing in cape cod Wtf are they doing in our country training for what I could give a rat’s ass what they are training for they shouldn’t be here . Aren’t these the same people that turn on our guys in Afghanistan. Whoever still believes our government has our best interests in mind needs to wake up soon or we are all screwed. Sorry rant over.
Yep, the same.
Our government is stupid,,,
I hope everyone realizes that what is printed in the constitution has nothing to do with the rights and responsibilities of the government and individuals today.
The constitution has long since been corrupted by the judicial branch by use of past case law, settled law, etc. If anyone today, has issues with constitutional rights, past case law determines the outcome, not the constitution.
Every time the Supreme Court rules, it modifies the constitution. It has been doing so for 200+ years. In essence, a constitutional convention goes on each day the supreme court is in session.
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The Lady tells it straight.
Get ready America for Sharia Law. All those women who voted for Obama best get fitted for their Berka’s
It is part of Muslim teachings to be quiet till they are strong and the fastest growing religion in America is Islam.
The more I read the more I think this country is done.
And the rights of the people to protest SHALL NOT BE RESTRICTED!!! (Forgot exact wording) but it says nothing about standing in some designated little area, far away from everyone, holding a sign, speaking softly and having a permit.
Our forefathers dumped tons of tea into the ocean and they didn’t get no stinking permit either!!
Con-Con Is a very bad idea. TPTB will fix/rig it so that there will be all kinds of very STUPID things added and the very Good things that we have with this Constitution will be removed.
Now saying that if there was a Con-Con and the first 10 amendments the Bill of Rights, were left alone so as not to be changed. Then I would say maybe.
We all know which would be the first Amendment to go would be #2, and that would be #2 on all of our freedoms.
The only reason that TPTB wants to have a Con-Con is because they can’t over ride the Constitution with out a fight with God Fearing Red, White, and Blue blooded Patriots. Our Forefathers gave us a near perfect document to protect our rights given to us by God, and a way to change it. TPTB thinking that they are god, can’t change it so they want to change the rules.
I hope I don’t live long enough to see that day when the Constitution is changed by TPTB! My God have mercy on the souls that live in those days!
One thing I would like to add to the Amendments is TERM Limits for the House and Senate. House 5 terms (10 years) Senate 2 terms of (12 years.) And you can’t return to the House or the Senate for a total of 10 years. No pension, or medical plan unless you get a 4th term. So no pension, or medical on you first two terms and only if you get back in and you served for the House 20 years and the Senate 24 years. anything less you don’t get a pension or medical!
Aim Small Miss Small
Sgt.
Well Sarge, if #2 got cut, that would force our hand wouldnt it.
IMHO that would definitely be one outcome of a con con, they would still have to bring it back for a vote by the people if Im not mistaken, but theres that whole 2 wolves and a sheep voting for whats dinner thing.
Con con would be bad and most likely not yield beneficial results except for neocons and progressives
Would be even more like we are living in Atlas Shrugged.
Kula:
You may have a very good point. More than likely that is what they want. But they might not get the results that they want. Wouldn’t that be GREAT!!!
Sgt.
One can only hope my friend
the only thing i will agree to is not messing with the original Constitution Period!
now if they want to add some more bite FOR the People against its run amock government I’m all for that , yeah like for sure Term Limits
Judicial Limits
Court Limits
Law enforcement Limits
and rules for engagement when they dont follow the “rules” already set by the constitution
in that I mean. take this for example
( not picking on this because your a cop Dale , its just a very hot subject im sure you’ll agree)
My new rule is , If a cop gets his ass shot and killed or otherwise while performing an un-constitutional act , the person that detained him or killed him is not responsible for anything and is awarded all of that persons pension , savings , life insurance money etc, and the police dept is responsible for paying for any damages and the money isnt taken out of the tax coffers its taken out of that cops supervisors pension, ( he should really be invested in who he trains)
this should get things back on an even keel dam quick at least when it comes to this police state
Good op-ed here. It speaks nothing but the truth and I agree 100%. However, I honestly do feel that there is no way to fix it though.
There is simply too much legal (read that as illegal) works that have been woven into our lives that would affect too many folks and their jobs. I have talked myself blue in the face to a few lawyers and law students (the students are worse because they try SO hard to regurgitate info and sound smart). They are all brainwashed and love citing precedent and such as if it really means anything. They cannot comprehend that it is all a house of cards built behind smokescreen.
Unfortunately, if you analyze all the laws that affect our lives, jobs, property, etc., the masses simply won’t play along when they realize how much would change. It would be too drastic and people would flip out. It’s like a slave who chooses to remain with his master after being set free (he knows nothing else).
Additionally, you would threaten the weaklings by taking away every form of social safety nets administered by the government (Social Security, Unemployment, EBT, Bankruptcy Laws, FDIC, Housing Assistance, etc etc etc). This won’t sit well.
Unfortunately, the only thing that will fix it at this point would be a massive extension level event (a de-population of some sort) to even have a chance to get who is left to understand the concepts of the Constitution. That it was the greatest gift any nation in history could be given to live as free men and women, yet we destroyed it.
If the majority of the people do not know what the Constitution is or what it stands for, then we are shoveling shit against the tide.
People know they have rights but have to hire a lawyer when rights are violated.
When I hear, “I know my rights”. I would say, Oh Yeah, What are they.
Another one is, “This is America, you can’t do that”.
Why do we have to convince people there is a problem when they should already know.
No change until there is blood on the ground. Only more Blah, blah, blah.
Slingshot:
TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN!!!!!
Sgt.
Only when the zionist jude fifth column infecting Amerika is directly challenged and brought politically financially under control by a formidable organized group of Sovereign Patriotic red blooded Americans will we as a country start to return to the Framers Original 1776 Constitution Dream of America.
We must look to and follow Russia’s plans to nationalize it’s central banking system.
This is Vlad Putin’s Plan to purge it’s country of the zionist jude fifth column threat to it’s independent Russia national sovereignty.
It should be our SOVEREIGN AMERICAN PATRIOT plan as well.
r.g.
The government is led by two criminal organizations. And someone thinks it’s a good idea to let them have a go at the constitution? We’re almost done for, as it is. Why give the bad guys legal status to screw us?
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Sierra Leone Concludes Nationwide Ebola Lockdown
They claim they searched house to house for bodies of infected and found 77 bodies.
I do not belive a ConCon is in the best interest of the US at this time due to the lack of originalists among the population.
The Constitution should be amended to provide a constitutionally-mandated automatic sunset provsion for all laws passed by Congress so that after a set period, say 15 years, each and every law automatically comes off the books and must be reintroduced and re-legislated as brand new bills with their corresponding amendments and subjected in Congress to new debate and committee action. Among other postive effects, such an amendment would ensure that 1) the workload of keeping up with expiring laws would interfere with Congress’ creation of new laws and 2) ensure that upopular or useless laws as well as special interest laws would be abandoned. Only those laws of absolute national priority would be able to remain.
Combined with term limits on all congresscritters, this would help solve the mess we’re in.
My two cent suggestion.
The largest user of energy, China, now has an agreement to buy energy products from two of the largest suppliers, Russia and Iran in Yuan. Russia has also started selling oil to some customers in Europe, using the Ruble. Chinese Navy destroyers make first visit to Iranian port. The end of the petrodollar is in sight. Good night America.
All these infringements on our costitutional rights piss me off. One that’s pissing me off big time now falls under Admendment IV. These thieving bastards who call themselves police officers that will stop you on the highways and steal your money without you having committed a crime. This is blatant in you face criminality. What is the federal government’s response? Not a peep! I want to drive my 23 year old car accross country, but am worried any funds I carry may be seized. I can’t figure out where to possibly hide money since pigs would search up and down with no probable cause except to take your funds. This is quite a dilemma in this day and time.
What are you afraid of? Get your car in good running order, including the lights, and go take your trip.
They can’t search your car without your permission. Period. Put your money in a locked box in the trunk.
Don’t get pulled over and you wont’ have to tell them “No, I don’t consent to a search.”
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more proof on sandy hoax?
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from a cop
These are the principles that I was taught , when I joined the Sheriffs Department here in Jones county , Mississippi , at this day and time though alot of officers have forgotten where they have come from and what they learned along the way , plus the fact the federal government is sending more war time equipment to police departments , this will lead to federalization of police agencies nationwide , when the government calls in the favor of the use of this equipment . there seems to be a push for more of a police state in this nation , for more control over the citizens , I look for the incident in Furguseon , Mo. to not go in favor of finding charges against the cop , even no charges from the federal government , as this would defeat the purpose that the federal government wants to use this to intimidate the citizens into compliance . Be prepared and ready . Keep your powder dry .
The constitution only works if you have HONORABLE people.
I can’t remember which of the founders said that, but he nailed it!
If the people become dishonorable… What type of politician will they elect?
If the politicians become dishonorable… What type of laws will they “enact”?
If the laws become dishonorable…What type of person would enforce them?
In the end neither the honorable nor the dishonorable will have any respect for the law.
If there is no respect for the law, we will have reached a point when law ceases to exist!
Once laws are nullified by lack of any respect for them, we will have reached a point when those who make the laws, will do what ever is necessary to enforce them, for they will not be followed by the people without the application of force…It will in fact, become the state verses the people!
Kinda sounds like what’s happening right now eh?
Liberty and Freedom is not for all
…just for those who want Liberty and Freedom.
Talon1776
Pretty much a reflection of our society for sure
Didn’t have time today to read comments, but my take on this is….
Considering the lack of ethics and moral compass of ALL our elected officials; considering the fact that ANYBODY, ANYWHERE on the planet can contribute to ANY USA election campaign; considering that the country is just flat broke and living on PayDay loans and borrowing from our kids piggy banks….
The only realistic and plausible outcome from convening a Constitutional Convention would be to officially gut the document completely, and insert clauses and amendments to further feather elected and corporate officials personal nests.
It is the completely rampant corruption in government and personal ethics that makes a ‘con-con’ equivalent to constitutional suicide.
Remember G.W. Bush said “you are either with us or against us”. “See something say something” attempts to turn American’s against their neighbors. Read “Making an Agent out of you” at VeteranToday.com which explains exactly what we are up against and where we are headed as a nation.
“Anti-Semitism” Inspired by Jewish Hate
Adrian Salbuchi,
In Argentina, Organized Jewry is up to its usual game of repressing criticism
of Israel by accusing internationally renown commentator Adrian Salbuchi
of “anti Semitism” and threatening to prosecute him. See his Letter Below.
The real issue is not anti Semitism, but anti Gentilism. Given that organized Jewry
hates non-Jews and is conspiring to enslave them in a world government tyranny
gives non-Jews every right to be “anti Semitic” as long as this antipathy is directed against
organized Jewry, its supporters and its agents everywhere, many of whom are Freemasons and non-Jews.
Below Salbuchis letter is an excerpt from an article “Why is the Talmud not Hate?” by Kevin Boyle which proves organized Jewry hates non Jews.
Until Jews renounce the Talmud as I have, you have to be ignorant not to be an anti-Semite. As a Jew and son of real holocaust survivors, I urge people to embrace “anti Semitism” as a badge of honor and pride. Let’s take this canard away from the fraudsters. If you do not hate those that hate you, you are a fool. If you do not hate evil, you are dead.
Because of the Cabalist-Talmudist hatred for God and mankind, humanity is held prisoner. The collective Jewish enterprise is flawed because it is based on Satanism (Cabala) and supremacy. -Henry Makow
– See more at: http://www.henrymakow.com/#sthash.iWOtZUPu.dpuf
for those that should be following sandy hoax, shady hoax, sandy hook
etc
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further and further into their lies and the deep rabbit holes they dig for themselves should become their graves
Ask yourself a few questions Ladies and Gents
Why is the world’s wealth concentrated in less than 1% of the world’s population?
If the government borrows money from the FED, then who owns the Federal Reserve?
Why is Monsanto going to court with small private farmers and winning? And why is a former Monsanto attorney now an Associate Supreme Court Justice?
What on earth is HAARP technologies? Project Bluebeam?
Don’t believe in Mk Ultra Monarch Mind Control? Then you simply didn’t research anything. Declassified government documents, court cases, Project Paperclip, Kim Noble, its all out there.
Why do the world’s elite meet together annually in an event called “The Builderberg Group?”
(9/11 The Bush family investment in Haliburton was not a coincidence. Building 7 imploded on itself at free fall speed because of a fire (yeah right), and even though $2.3 trillion dollars went missing the accounting department being hit by a plane at the pentagon was also a coincidence(sarc). The passport to one of the highjackers was found in the rubble, that was coincidence too., ( that passport was never on any plane) “The highjacked planes were not intercepted because the air defense was having a drill”. Coincidence. Not a conspiracy!?It’s all coincidence? no connections? really
Have you heard Kesha’s music? How about Gaga? How about Niki Minaj? Satanic much? Nah. Coincidence?
Alister Crowley? Anton Lavey? Do not know these people?
Case #12-cv-04269-jbl-rml, Libor Scandal ring a bell? Did you know the man who pin pointed the missing $ exact location is James’s Holmes father (Dr. Robert Holmes) of the Batman theater shootings? Did you know Kevin Krim, the online editor for CNBC who reported about the Libor scandal had his kids murdered the night the article aired online and then was removed? Or did you know that Adam Lanza’s father is Peter Lanza, the tax director for GE (General Electric), in which the CEO is Obama’s advisor.
If you really want to know the truth, you have to neutralize your bias heart, open your mind, and RESEARCH. Because remember, only a few find that narrow path.
VRF:
Much easier for the masses to just stay asleep.
The questions you have posted here are just too much for most to ever comprehend. J.E.Hoover, past head of the FBI (and up to his neck in it) said there was a conspiracy in America so huge that most Americans would never comprehend it. Anyone care to take a stab at what he was saying?
Wonder what most think the last sentence in your post is reference to? Eyes to see, ears to hear?
“Much easier for the masses to just stay asleep.”
I agree, and thats the sad part.. but the ones of us that want it bad enough will taste it, i feel that in my heart , even if we dont all survive it
Karl,
Your entire premise is a straw man. No one is talking about having a constitutional convention. Actually, to be clear, there are people using that terminology, but it is incorrect and the people, like yourself that are using it are confused. What people are talking about is a convention of the states for the purpose of proposing/adding amendments, which is in the constitution, article 5.
Take a look at The Liberty Amendments by Mark Levin.
when asked will we win…..
when asked how will we ever fight such an advanced enemy ….
when told we dont have a prayer and we will lose…
etc…I turn to
The fact that a bunch of farmers and shop keepers managed to defeat the most powerful , best equipped and well trained army of the 18th century and establish the United States of America. When driven by the desire to be free, you usually win.
“…and those who refuse to take up the underlying issue and address it head-on are playing with you and are attempting to get you to expend your resources on a false premise to thereby consume your efforts rather than solving the problem.”
Hooo boy am I ever familiar with this one.
Here are my thoughts for what they are worth. I agree no CON-CON, one bill one vote, term limits, no retirement what so ever, why the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial, branches were set up to represent the people as a part-time positions not FULL TIME JOBS. As for Martial Law if once implemented the United States of America will no longer be; the Government will lose all control (they cannot maintain it do to MASSIVE CIVIL UNREST IT WILL BRING by so many), law and order will collapse (those who doesn’t go home will die in short order), military will lose all leadership and just disappear or go rouge, and within one month at the longest the only thing you will have is the RULE of the JUNGLE: ONLY THE STRONG WILL SURVIVE! What you have put back for just this kind of event/events will be all you have, so put as much possible back NOW. Remember you are own your own no matter what happens. Maybe BI has gone to ground like a few others, for time is getting VERY CLOSE FOR SOMETHING HUGE TO HAPPEN! Sorry but this is just the way I see it.
River Rat at the ready!!! NOMI///MOLON LABE!!!
TSORIITA/GPTDY!!
The Bill of Rights, the only part not originally intended but which the states demanded be included to AMEND what WAS in the Constitution, is the only part that needs to be kept. Everything other than the Bill of Rights is government supremacist (Federalist) and, though amended by the Bill of Rights, needs to be expunged altogether from any constitution so as not to be assumed by government supremacists as being still valid.
In todays time you could not find a group of moral men with wealth, position and power to draft a document like the US Constitution.
The “problem” with the Constitution is not following it as originally written. Interestingly Adams one the very founders that created it started shitting on it while its ink was still wet. That gives one an idea just how fragile freedom is.
There are problems in the Constitution. There is no provision for delegating powers vested in the government by the people, but that hasn’t stopped them because there is no provision against it. The expansion of the government comes from that inability to cover all the places where no wasn’t written.
Congress has no provision permitting them to abandon their responsibilities and give them to the President. But that’s what they’ve done.
It isn’t merely the attack or assault on liberty that corrupts our entire nation and daily lives. It is the ability of the government to modify itself, also never granted, but better to apologize than ask permission, so they do it anyway.
Power concentrates, centralizes, corrupts, and presto whammo, here we are. That’s human nature. No constitution is sufficient to overcome it.
Governments all die for cause. This one will also die for cause.
Our Rights come from God and not from man. The Declaration of Independence makes that clear. The Constitution was written to keep government in check, not the other way around. The Constitution declares our rights and the Constitution enforces it.
A Con-Con is just another way for the Communist to abolish everything that stands for Freedom. Free Market Economy, Free Speach, Freedom to protect and defend yourself, Free Press, Freedom to travel, etc…
But… We deserve the type of government that we elect.
This is why I have switched over to the Constitution Party.
Finally a blogger who gets it. If they will not enforce the current Constitution, why would anyone believe they would enforce one with new amendments. Pushing for a Con-Con is just a way to sell books or put the final nail in the coffin of the current Constitution. Actual ever since the enactment of the NDA we effectively have no Constitutional rights. As long as they can indefinitely detain you for whatever reason, we are no longer free people in a free country. Since once they detain you, you have no right to an attorney, access to the courts, or even to have your relatives notified of your detention, why couldn’t they arrest you for wearing the wrong color shirt, instead of the pretext of being a terrorist as the NDA supposedly requires.