Rancher Cliven Bundy Speaks: “I Don’t Recognize Them Having Any Jurisdiction or Authority Over This Land” *Video*

by | Apr 10, 2014 | Headline News | 348 comments

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    Update: [16:00 PST] – This video interview follows reports that up to 5,000 militia members are on their way to Nevada to stand with the Bundy family against massive government overreach. Earlier today Bundy family members and friends broke through the Federal blockade to rescue cattle stuck behind enemy lines.


    The man at the center of the dispute, rancher Cliven Bundy, joins Infowars‘ David Knight and Steve Quayle for an exclusive interview to discuss developments at Bunkerville, Nevada where there are now at least 300 Federal law enforcement agents surrounding the Bundy ranch.

    According to Cliven Bundy, what’s at issue is that the US government has no right to call the shots over the land, as dictated by the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

    Mr. Bundy also notes that he and those arriving in the area are prepared to do whatever it takes to maintain their sovereignty.

    The first thing we need to make clear is – who owns this land? That’s really not clear. We have a federal judge that says the United States owns this land. We have the United States Constitution that says Nevada owns this land.

    So this is where I’m at… Let’s talk about my grazing fee… who am I supposed to pay my grazing fee to? Constitutional sovereignty of Nevada that owns this land?

    No. The one I get the grazing fee bill from is the United States government.

    I don’t recognize them having any jurisdiction or authority over this land. 

    I do not have a contract with the United States government.

    …I urge you, read the Constitution. Those founding fathers laid out how we’re supposed to act. They have all the answers already laid out for us. Why don’t we live that Constitution and be happy in America?

    I know what I’m going to do. I’m going to do whatever it takes. The public and the protesters here… I think are ready to do whatever it takes, too.

    In other words, this thing’s not gonna’ get over tomorrow. We’re going to fight until we win this and get our public lands back.

    (Watch at Youtube)

    This is a developing situation. 

    Stay tuned for more information as it becoms available via SHTFplan.com, The Daily Sheeple, Infowars, Steve Quayle, et. al.


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      1. We are with you!

        • Cliven Bundy for PRESIDENT!

          • The Federal government of the so-called United States is illegitimate and must be opposed.

            The USG, as it is, represents a failed State.

            It’s time for a reset.

            • USA Inc is protecting its corporate assets by booting people out of rural areas of their presumed “territories” as defined by Agenda 21. I’m sure its part of Obama’s agreement to China that USA INC will clean out the ‘insurgents” so they (the Chinese) won’t have to when all that land is given to them on collateral foreclosures for our debt failure.

              Its important for each of us to know where we stand in relation to the foreign corporation that is posing as our legitimate and duly elected government.

              • Looking at the US Constitution there is a limit of 40 acres to what the government can own, and that was for harbors and forts. Sorry, I cannot find where it says that, but it is there.

                  • Jewish folk don’t believe in Satan, so wherever you’re getting your info, it’s not from Jews.

                  • The establishment of an FAA “No Fly Zone” is ominous.

                    Recall how the armed and armored aggressors kept media at bay to hide their arson and murder of men, women, and children at Waco? One of their first steps was to choke off observation and documentation of what they were doing.

                    History is “rhyming” once again.

                    All too soon, as mentioned in the ham radio article linked below, we need fast-scan Amateur Television documentation and broadcasting of events at Bunkerville.

                    See http://www.arrl.org/atv-fast-scan-amateur-television


                  • @ bullllll

                    Apparently you don’t know as much about Judaism as you pretend and you were too lazy to even follow the links imbedded in the article. Figures.

                    There are numerous quotes from the rabbis and their “holy” books teaching that we Gentiles have either animal or satanic souls. Verify the quotes for yourself. Don’t remain an ignoranus.

                    The souls of the nations of the world, however, emanate from the other, unclean kelipot which contain no good whatever,
                    כמו שכתוב בעץ חיים שער מ״ט פרק ג׳: וכל טיבו דעבדין האומות לגרמייהו עבדין

                    “Souls of non-Jews come entirely from the female part of the Satanic sphere. For this reason souls of non-Jews are called evil.”
                    Yesaiah Tishbi,
                    Torat ha-Rave-ha-Kelippahnbe-Kabbalat ha-Ari (The Theory of Evil and the Satanic Sphere in Kabbalah) 1942, reprinted 1982

                    “…’living soul’ designates Israel because they are children of the Almighty, and their souls, which are holy, come from Him. From whence come the souls of other peoples? R[abbi] Eleazar said: ‘They obtain souls from those sides of the left which convey impurity, and therefore they are all impure and defile those who have contact with them.’…’living soul’ refers to Israel, who have holy living souls from above, and ‘cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth,’ to the other peoples who are not ‘living soul,” but who are as we have said.” Bereshith 47a

                    “Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever… their material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews…” Abraham Foxbrunner. Habad: The Hasidism of Schneur Zalman of Lyady. Northvale NJ: Jason Aronson Inc., 1983. Pp. 108-109.

                    “… the explanation of the matter, [is to be found] in light of what Rabbi Chayim Vital wrote in Shaar HaKedushah (and in Etz Chayim, Portal 5, ch. 2) — that every Jew, whether righteous or wicked, possesses two souls, as it is written, “And neshamot (souls) which I have made. … The second, uniquely Jewish, soul is truly “a part of G-d above, The souls of the nations of the world (the Gentiles), however, emanate from the other, unclean kelipot which contain no good whatever… The lower category consists of three completely unclean and evil kelipot, containing no good whatever… From them flow and are derived the souls of all the nations of the world (Gentiles), and the sustaining force of their bodies. Also derived from these kelipot are the souls of all living creatures that are unclean and forbidden to be eaten, and the sustaining force of their bodies.”
                    Tanya, Chapter 6

                • Mordecai: The reason you can’t find it (40 acres) is because it’s not in the U.S. Constitution. I have several copies of it, and no where does it state anything even remotely close to this issue. Pull the Constitution up online and see for yourself. Part of Article One, Sec. 10 has two powers that WE The People have granted Congress. One set is called the “Enumerated Powers” (Powers Specified) such as raising an army, coining money, to lay taxes and collect money on imports, etc. Then there is another, it is called “The Necessary and Proper Clause” which allows Congress to enact any laws necessary for carrying out the government’s business. This is often called the “Elastic Clause” because it give Congress a lot of power to enact laws that were not specified in the Enumerated Powers section. We’ve seen the results of this part for the last 220 years-a very large bureaucracy. You don’t have to like it, it just is by the fact that there are more agencies and regulations that anyone could possibly even name, let alone understand and comply with. The only peaceful solution to this bloated government is an amendment, either by each state (38 needed), or another Constitutional Convention, to remove this portion of Art.1 Sec.10. and place any and all restrictions that We The People think are necessary.

                • “The most fundamental aspect of every form of law is jurisdiction. Here is a short quiz to see if the documentary evidence and practical remedies offered in this webpage can be of use to you or not:

                  Which section of the Constitution does the federal government (NSA, FBI, DOJ, etc.) use as authority to exercise personal jurisdiction over (spy on, arrest, prosecute, etc.) Americans residing throughout the Union?

                  Precisely when and how did the federal government acquire personal jurisdiction over you?
                  If you cannot answer these most elementary of questions about daily life in America, there is something here for you to learn. For example, according to the federal judiciary, Americans who are not “citizens of the United States” are not liable to income tax; to wit:
                  Unless the defendant can establish that he is not a citizen of the United States, the IRS possesses authority to attempt to determine his federal tax liability. [U.S.A. v. Slater (D. Delaware) 545 F.Supp. 179, 182 (1982)]

                  This website shows (in Link 4) how almost every American can produce evidence, admissible as such in a court of law, that establishes that he or she is not a ‘citizen of the United States.’”


                • You can’t find where because it isn’t there. You should read the document you claim to love.

                • @ mordecai. Are you referencing article 1, section 8 (17)?

            • BLM fracking racket exposed! Armed siege and cattle theft from Bundy ranch really about fracking leases

              “A Natural News investigation has found that BLM is actually in the business of raking in millions of dollars by leasing Nevada lands to energy companies that engage in fracking operations.”

              “This document from the Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology(1) shows significant exploratory drilling being conducted in precisely the same area where the Bundy family has been running cattle since the 1870’s.

              The “Gold Butte” area is indicated on the lower right corner of the document (see below), and it clearly shows numerous exploratory drilling operations have been conducted there.”

              Natural News

                • Have not checked this out yet, but interesting comment from KY’s link to Natural News.

                  The Bureau of Land Management is assumed falsely to be an actual de jure lawful agency of a lawful constitutional governing body.

                  The BLM is fact, a de facto fraudulent usurper and not in any way a lawful Constitutionally recognized agency of the Constitutional Republic.

                  BLM is actually a sub-corporation of UNITED STATES INCORPORATED, a private foreign owned off-shore corporation since its last incorporation in 1925, copyrighted, trademarked and registered in Puerto Rico.

                  For more information and documentation on the secret bankruptcy of our nation go to: stopthecrime.net

                  Under the Reorganization Act of Washington District of Columbia, by it’s own private business charter, neither the BLM, nor any other federal/corporate agency has lawful/legal authority, jurisdiction or interstate nexus within the 50 state geographical landmass.

                  BLM, is actually classified as an: “Agent of Foreign Principle”, under the intergovernmental Personnel Act.

                  In other words, they don’t represent the Constitutional Republic or the interests of the American People but rather, a foreign owned principle i.e., the international banking/military corporate cartel of London City, England known as Crown Corporation as their supreme authority.

                  This has been openly admitted and exposed through Supreme Court cases since and even before 1938.

                  NOTE: It is now illegal to mention any of these pre-1938 Supreme Court citations in a current court of law in Amerika.

                  That should prove everything to you right there.

                  This private criminal foreign owned off-shore corporation (USA Inc.) has in fact, invaded and usurped our Constitutional Republic like a cancer invading a host body since 1871 to present.

                  The core issue here is that the BLM must be exposed for the invading criminal usurpers that they are. They have no legal/lawful standing and must be deemed as an invading hostile corporate/military enemy of We The People.

                  This is no different than having a snake-pit of London Banksters coming to Nevada to lord over the Bundy family, which is exactly who the real bosses of the BLM actually are by-the-way.

                  The only issue that should be addressed is, does the BLM have legal standing?

                  The answer is: No, they do not have legal standing and they know it. They just hope the American People never come to that realization.

                  It’s time for the American People to learn the actual truth about our real history as a nation and not all the myths and lies spewed out by our fascist/marxist collectivist controlled school systems.


                  • Everyone of us, this could be you. Just look at what happened last year in the Boston area. Look at the way the government will use any loophole in the REAL law to screw over the “little” person. Some people are still awake and see what is going on. The zombie population has already painted a picture of what someone like Bundy is, “a radical”, “anti-whatever”. Thankfully we know different, someone willing to stand up for his rights and in the process stand up for the rights of all Americans that still do care about freedom.

                  • Too often taken for granted.

                    Essential for quality of life.

                    A gift to those that want it.


                    Worth fighting for.

                    Easy to lose.

                    Difficult to get back.


                  • May I copy and pate your information as to BLM to media outlets.

                  • @ markww. Anything I write you may certainly post to any site that may help fellow Americans.

                    Also if you want to post all the previous comments that fully predict major earthquakes, comments before the major earthquakes hit like the 7.3 in New Guinea today that was forecasted 2 days ago and several times before that, to the USGS as PROOF that earthquakes can be absolutely precicted, go for it.

                  • OFF-TOPIC TO BI

                    What do you think of the Fukushima seismic recordings—natural earthquake or underwater nuke?

                  • PKLL:

                    Excellent, excellent true article. Wonder how many shtf posters know this or will believe this. There are numerous links on the internet. Look it up for yourself.

                  • “NOTE: It is now illegal to mention any of these pre-1938 Supreme Court citations in a current court of law in Amerika.”

                    This is not true. Just read case law, even in this decade, the Supreme Court frequently cites pre -1938 cases. That’s a myth.

                • Ky and BI not looking for an argument but, it’s going to get very tricky trying to decide where we stand. First we yell Obama is holding up making us energy independent because “He” won’t allow energy development on public lands. then we think there is a hidden agend when we think they are looking for energy on public lands. I don’t know alot about the oil business, but I don’t exploration is considered fracking. Also don’t know how many acres Cliven personally owns, but if he leases 300,000 acres of public land, he sure ain’t what I would call the little guy. Trekker Out.

                  • @ Mountain Trekker. All of us are the little guy, some of them like Bundy are just not as small. It is the principle of the way the government thinks it can do anything it pleases is the problem here. Russia is not the little guy, but the same imperialistic notion is here that the U.S. can go and do anything it wants and no one just better stand in their way.

                    The ONLY thing preventing the U.S. from going after Russia like Iraq and Afghanistan right now is the nuclear weapons. Any bully is ONLY stopped by the cowardice of force, enough force used against them. The U.S. doesn’t attack North Korea and Porky because of nuclear weapons. This is why nuclear weapons are safety for any country that doesn’t want to be attacked if they don’t back down to any bully nation. Eventually nuclear weapons will be used and WW3 will start, but until then ONLY a show of enough force will stop or make a bully think twice.

                  • @ Mountain Trekker,

                    I also agree that we should be developing our own energy resources, but to do so at gunpoint will only make America less like her true self and more like a banana republic. Is that what you really want?

                  • THE ECONOMIC collapse is a given. When? When WIII starts. I know there are enough “awake” here that understand that the “Economic collapse” will be buried deep under the MAGICIAN’S ILLUSION. Otherwise, TOO MANY WOULD BE ARRESTED, TRIED, AND EXECUTED FOR TREASON.

                    THE EXACT MOMENT THE “COLLAPSE” BEGINS: War, martial law, and ALL of the other “condiments” WILL BE SERVED as “hordeorves” to detract from the coming MAIN MENU!

                    Sure, watch the market and economic indicators, but at the end of the coming day: I would be watching the World War Stage. Just my observations.

                  • Mountain Trekker, isn’t the key word in your comment is public lands. Now, I’m beginning to wonder just exactly what that means! No constitutional rights? I do believe that we, the people, have that right on any land. This could be you, me or anyone else. I stand with the rancher, and just screwwww the gov. They have crossed the line in the sand, just a matter of time and it won’t be just the line, it will be in our doors.

              • Interesting is that not a peep of this from the LSM.

                • And it makes PERFECT sense. I just knew there was some corporate money interest behind this.

                  What the hell? Exxon-Mobil does this kinda shit down in South America. They have their hired goons murder people and run the ones that won’t sell off of their land, so they can drill or mine.

                  …Are we going to allow them to do it here?

                  I hope the hell not.

                  52 other ranchers gone, that tells me everything I needed to know about this situation.

                • Actually,they are covering it to a degree,mostly fox,believe there is a point no matter what that lsm needs to cover stories or be once again left behind,watch out though for their own slant on it as always.

                  • Greta (7:00 p.m. on Fox News) is going to have an interview with Cliven Bundy.

                    I believe it is tonight.

                • I actually did see it on TV before i left for work this morning. Or, I should say I saw the teaser for it so I don’t know what was said in the story. Probably not the truth.

                  • RT Tv news has it…ALSO!! RT tv news THIS Fri Morn showed Kathleen Sebelius of HobammyCare fame saying shes Resigning her Post!!!…..The RATS are exiting the Sinking Ship of Hobammy Fools one more at a time!

                    Soon he be left with nobody in his cabinet besides his sheebonny wife and shes very likely to Kick his sorry skinny monky ass Out too!

              • The current head of BLM is a former senior advisor to Harry Reid. Neil Kornze is a “key player in Western Solar Plan” and is “active in tribal consultation, especially as it relates to oil and gas and renewable energy development.”


                Furthermore, The Desert Tortoise Conservation Center is funded by “developer” fees and, strangely enough the Southern Nevada Employee Directory BLM directory lists “Realty Specialist” for some of its 122 employees.

                Anyone else see a pattern developing here?


                • the durango kidd say:

                  “Arrest this motherfucker.”

                  The durango kidd supports FedGov tyranny over the American people!

                  “Arrest this motherfucker.”

                  Spoken like a true card-carrying fascist scumbag!!!

                  Attaboy DK, show ‘em who you really are.

                • A BLM Realty Specialist engages in land title work for the purchase or disposal of land by the BLM. No conspiracy there.

            • YMWW: The man states himself:

              “The first thing we need to make clear is – who owns this land? That’s really not clear. We have a federal judge that says the United States owns this land. We have the United States Constitution that says Nevada owns this land.”

              The Rancher does not own the land. He said so himself. 🙂

              • My Peeps, THIS is a business dispute. If you want to attack the Federal government about a land grab; then attack them over road closures and denial of access into OUR National Forests, where the Forest Service is closing down two-lane improved dirt roads that have given the American People access to their forests for many decades.

                Or attack the federal Government for closing access to recreational miners to streams and rivers in Northern California who want to pan and dredge for gold; claiming that dredging destroyed certain fish habitat.

                Subsequent scientific studies demonstrated that dredging actually enhanced the environment for spawning and GPAA and WE THE PEOPLE won their legal action in Court: opening these areas to prospectors again.

                There are many examples of government overreach and land grabbing by declaration of “Monuments” and I oppose these unilateral actions to impose Agenda 21 upon US and there will be cases where 5,000 militia members need to stand together against NWO land grabbing.

                The standoff in Nevada is not it.

                The Rancher does not own the land. He admits he doesn’t own the land. Ranchers make investments on leased land for fences and waterholes all the time. It’s part of the cost of doing business: as are “grazing fees”. 🙂

                • DK your right, and just like the Feds, he would most likley do everything in his power to keep you off that land. I would rather be right than be popular. I’ve seen ranchers close off roads where the road bordered their ranch and public land and move the gate over a 100 feet to keep the public from access. Trekker Out.

                  • Exactly MT! I have seen Ranchers in Arizona put up locked gates on Public Land Roads to keep people out when the right of way did not belong to them.

                    Ranchers like to boast about the size of their ranch as if it were private property when it is not. The Rancher with leased grazing rights to the land upon which my mine is located, once made the mistake of saying that my mine was on “his ranch”.

                    I educated him in a NY minute! 🙂

                  • MT &DK
                    You guys are exactly right , and furthermore if you sign an agreement , good or bad, you should honor that agreement. He did and he aint.
                    I lease 20 ac of hay to a dairy farm , does that mean they own my land ? hell no , they are only using it for the term of the contract.
                    I gat the dispute about state land vs gov land , but this guy is hiding behind it to get outta payin his grazing fees , plain and simple.
                    He should pay the fees , THEN go to court.

                  • …but they sure got the time and funds and manpower to harass these families off of their lands…

                  • OK, so it’s a portion of a National Park on the border, and not ‘closing our National Parks’, right?

                • The 1st Amendment isn’t worth the fight? When they try to deny yours, is it then worth fighting for?

                  If not here,then where?
                  If not now,then when?
                  If not US, then who?

                  • First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Socialist.

                    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

                    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Jew.

                    Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

                    -Martin Niemöller

                • DK,
                  Doesnt matter,
                  Armed fed thugs depriving people of their rights and property are armed fed thugs,
                  Open range and grazing rights are a long standing use of that area, way before there was a BLM and there are laws on the books in Nevada that establish that Mr Bundy is in the right. When some prick from the federal government said to make a lot for people to protest and arrest anyone who violates it they declared war on our rights,
                  Now you can do whatever you want, voting and writing letters or whatever but some of us are done with that bullshit and are ready to take these pricks to task for this shit.
                  So Ill engage,
                  From as far as i am able and with extreme malice.

                  • This business dispute has been on going since 1999. The Rancher has ignored several Court orders to remove his cattle. That’s 15 years.

                    Even Death Row Inmates are executed in 13 years.

                    Arrest this motherfucker, sell his cows and apply the proceeds against fees owed. This parasite has been defrauding the US Taxpayer long enough!!!

                  • DK,
                    Sorry, i disagree,
                    I grew up on a ranch and have been around ranching and agriculture all my life,
                    You need to read up on range laws in Nv and traditional practice in these areas,
                    But your entitled to your opinion.
                    There is more to it than the feds are always right, in my book they can go fuck themselves.

                  • The durango kidd ignores the facts related to this dispute, and simply spews disinformation.

                    This should illustrate once and for all, just who the durango kidd really is: An establishment stooge posing as an American patriot. He is completely transparent.

                    The durango kidd has an ideology, and it’s one that’s aligned with that of the typical fascist. He supports a large, centralized, federal government wielding unlimited power. He will feign otherwise, but don’t be fooled.

                    One has to wonder just why he comes to this site. He talks a good game, but every once in a while the real durango kidd comes out, and he exposes himself.

                    His real views/positions are not those of the majority on this site. He has however, managed to fool more than just a few, that they are.

                • You don’t have snipers lining up on your family in a “business dispute”.

                  You don’t have your son getting tasered and beaten in a “business dispute”.

                  You don’t have goons tackling a frail cancer survivor in a “business dispute”.

                  You don’t STEAL cattle in a “Business dispute”.

                  You don’t run 52 other businessmen out of business and take their land in a “business dispute”.

                  THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS DISPUTE…THAT would be handled in a court room, settled in a civilized manner.


                  • Sixpack: In a Court ordered eviction which occurs somewhere in the USA many times everyday, the Sheriff sends a deputy or two to remove the squatter from the premises, if they are still resident after receiving Notice To Vacate.

                    These deputies are armed.

                    After 15 years and several Court orders to remove his cows, the Rancher refuses to accept the judgement for non-payment by the Courts, while using US Taxpayer ground to feed his herd. I think it is reasonable for the authorities to expect conflict, even physical violence by the squatter in this case, and plan accordingly.

                    They did. He BEGGED for this conflict. BEGGED!

                    Nevada can be a place for Liberty Lovers and Patriots to pursue State ownership of these public lands legally, and by Referendum, with any revenue from them flowing to the State residents; much like Alaska Oil proceeds to Alaskans.

                    The current situation is NOT a Constitutional issue; and if the BLM and other federal Agencies are illegal as claimed here by others, then organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote for change.

                    Demand change and the People can get it. Just be careful of what “hope and change” you wish for. In the case of public lands becoming state lands you can be assured that local corporate interests will gobble these excess lands up like a pineapple upside down cake.

                    Americans must get involved in their local politics or others will use their non-participation to push the NWO Agenda. That is just the way it is. 🙁

                  • Comment ID: 3003261

                    Sorry DK, but that’s not even close to the situation here. Not even clo9se enough to compare in any rational manner.

                • @DK You are 100% Correct that the rancher does not own the land. Then again, neither does anybody. Instead of grazing fees, what happens when you refuse to pay property taxes, they remove you from “your land”. Folks this country is not ours nor has it been for a very long time. When the founding fathers were debating independence from the crown, (“because of extreme taxation I might add”) one of the debates was, why should they trade one tyrant 1000 miles away for 1000 tyrants 1 mile away. An elected legistation CAN and HAS trampled the men and women of this countries rights for far too long.


                  • and until the people finally put their foot down, the govt will continue to trample citizen’s rights.

                    If we don’t say NO now—then WHEN?

                    I’ll bet there will be plenty of cowards who won’t think that resistance is acceptable next time either.

                    Luckily, some of us don’t need to take a poll to make up our minds about what is right and what is wrong…we do our own thinking.

                  • One word: Allodial title. Ok, two words.

                • It’s not that you are ignorant DK…it’s just that so much of what you know, isn’t true.

                  • Oh….and DK….you’re also a government toadie.

                    Your “engage” BS is exactly that…..BS.

                  • Hey Walt! Glad to get a rise out of you. Questions Walt.

                    Do you believe that welfare mothers should get more welfare benefits for every child they produce? That people on welfare should get Obama phones, food stamps and subsidized rent?

                    Do you believe that major multinationals should be exempt from income taxes using special tax breaks not available to the average citizen??

                    This Rancher is NO better than either of the examples I have cited. He is feeding at the public trough for FREE and using US Taxpayer lands (whether owned by Nevada or the USA) without paying the necessary and customary fees: which themselves are a huge subsidy with a cost well below market value.

                    That is corporate welfare for a million dollar business if he has almost 1000 cows as reported. It doesn’t include any cows that he has probably sold over the past 15 years at a profit.

                    Las Vegas and Clark county are not far from me. If this were a Constitutional issue where American Civil Liberties were at stake, I would be there with bells on and loaded for bear.

                    Its not. It’s a business issue and the Rancher has suckered you and many, many others into believing his rights have been violated, They have not. I thought you were smarter than that Walt.

                    I really did. 🙂

                  • I am suprized nobody yet mentioned how close This issue resembles a few yrs ago at Klamuth Falls over farmers Water rights issue. Back then same feds same blm etc all a sudden Changed the “RULES”.

                    Them Farmers had Water Rights written on FED granted contracts signed By the Then USA PREZ! Water Rights that last FOREVER as long as Farm property remains In ownership of Orig farmer or His Decendants.

                    Perpetuity water Rights on Prez signed papers shown for all to see by said farmers of that dispute.

                    YET Feds and BLM and various fed agencies refused to comply, changed rules overnite, cut OFF all water.

                    REASON FEDS GAVE back Then for water cut off’s?…To Save some stupid BOTTOM Fedding 3-4 in long sucker fish!

                    A Fish that LIVES on Bottom of a 750 foot Deep huge Lake, thats where farm waters with fed rights to water FOREVER, originated from…ALL the farms needed each year was aprox the TOP ONE FOOT of Water level for their use.

                    But even that slight bit of one top foot water out of 750 feet deep of water that caused ZERO problems for over 100+ years…All of a sudden, several enviro whacks and fed agencies just had to save a small fishy thats nothing but a fish hangs out at Bottom of 750 ft deep lake.

                    THIS episode Smacks of exact same fed swindle procedures that are always to benifit stupid fanatical enviro whacks.

                    That are way too fanatical and kommie liberal to realize they are used as DUPES by Huge Enviro Orgs in Cahoots with Fed govnt and UN agenda 21 crap plans to deprive americans, especially Middle class folks, which By default means mainly Whitey middle class folks from use and ownership of ANYTHING realted to Lands, Water, Crops, Herd animals, Farms and Ranches.

                    While all those Huge Fed taxes funded and also huge private funds from al gore and ted turner whacks, gets a FREE Pass, and use of land and even new ownership of said lands after orig landowners are booted out, shot dead(see WACO/RUBY Ridge etc) or imprisioned in a fed jail for 25 yrs for defying corrupted fed govnt agents etc.

                    It is HIGH Time ALL american folk Refuse to contunie to allow a small less than 1.7% of the total POP own and control it ALL, includeing very SOON, Our very Lives.

                    I know what they plan, I have Posted tons of referenced Proofs of their goofy self invented religious beliefs and practices that created this huge Mess, thats Now gone Global. But I care NOT for that fraud peoples Nor for Their fake Pharisitical invented religion, that mandates to Them that They alone are some, self apointed Master race and self-chozens and That deems them qualified to Own and control entire world and all it contains including Persons aka All Goyims.

                    SCREW THAT! SCREW THEM!…Its about high time to show such idiots and swindlers and scammers just what is going to be end results if Their measly bunch that number aprox One Hundredth of ONE percent of global Population…Goes Up against the Other part of the total of 7 BILLION folks aka the Goyim as they label us all.

                    They can call us or believe us to just be Goyim, which means Herd Cattle animals withOUT a Soul, which justifies in Their mind that its A-OK and zero Sin nor Crimes for Them to cheat, rob, Kill us since to Them we are meere Animals withOUT any soul..

                    Well perhaps They need take action against Us and Prove all their wild fanatical False Claims eh!…Then lets see what end results are.

                    Do Not be like General george Patton, who took untill End of WWII to realize, as his Own personal diary entries shows that he finally realized “We Faught against the WRONG people!”….He took too long to figure it out…he also never had an Internet with a hundred great info sites that do contain such Truths…Dont be like him and get whacked for learning truth far too late.

                    GEN Patton was Correct when he realized and Spoke out that its the KOMMIE REDS aka jewish Bolshevik Soviets we should have demolished…He Was 100% correct, he was also 100% correct there’d be zero cold war, zero kommie troubles ever again…But He got Killed off for it.

                    Today there zero excuses to not learn same truths Patton did…Before they can whack Us all eh.

                    WE OWN America…WE not they nor their zio tribe…

                    That tribe Cried and whinned incessantly for 1900 yrs! to be allowed back into Palestine lands…

                    Well after 1900 yrs crying they got their wish granted and way back in 1948….SO….WHY after so long crying to Obtain it are over 1/2 still NOT going to Live There eh?

                    Because they are a parisitic type bunch that cannot exist soley upon themselves alone…They Must keep 1/2 of the tribe in OTHER Propserous nations, preferably white western world nations to keep RAPEING It and its peoples and Bankrupting it…Then moving on to the NEXT whitey Nation to Wash-Rince and Repeat again and again.

                    Why Else does anybody think that bunch has been Booted from every nation in past 3500 yrs?…Because they never do wrong? are always Innocent “victims”?!

                    GET A GRIP! Get the Facts…Get Back OUR Nation folks.

                    Or right Now today figure out a real swell story to tell grandkiddies when They ask Gramps and Granny…”WHY did You allow that satanic Bunch of Kommie bastards to so rape and destroy MY america gramps and granny?

                    Better think up A Very Good story folks! Or the next enemys You face just May be them grandkiddies once They learn these truths eh.

                • Durango Kidd …… Go find yourself another sight to troll!! Looser!!

                  • May I suggest Moonbatterydotcom.

                    They would love him there.

                    He could bloviate to his fascist hearts desire, while being showered with accolades and sycophant praise for his defense of the status quo.

                  • *loser

                • @ durango kid

                  I am originally from Rhode Island, the home base of the New England mafia. Growing up, I lived right down the street from Raymond Patriarca, the boss of that branch of organized crime. Sure, he was a “businessman”; he also conducted his business at gunpoint.

                  If the point that you’re trying to make is that the BLM is conducting their “business” the way the mafia does — by pushing people around at gunpoint — then I will agree to that. If not, then I suggest that your post is completely missing the point of what is going on here. A federal agency is using criminal tactics to try and bully a private citizen, end of story.

              • We all understood he doesn’t own the land–he leases the land and pays fees.

                • You must have a lot of money. Can you afford to buy foreign food?

                • pursuant to a contract that is three generations old, and honored for over a hundred years…until the govt wants to pocket a few bucks from it.

                  • sixpack: The contract is not three generations old. I believe the grazing leases are renewed every year; as are mining claims. A mining claimant can renew his Federal mining lease every year for 38 years.

                    I a not certain how long a Rancher can renew his grazing lease, but he must pay the fees and renew every year, just like license plate tags; or a hunting license.

                    In some jurisdictions there may be a bidding process. Other Ranchers on the site would know better that I about the particulars, but bottom line, there is no free lunch for someone’s cows. Unless of course you refuse to pay and don’t get caught. He got caught. 🙂

                • Jay Jay: That IS the point at issue. He is NOT paying the fees and has not paid any fees since 1999!

                  He is just as big a parasite as a welfare mother that keeps having kids she cannot afford to feed, clothe, and educate who expects other Americans to pay her bills and Obama pay her mortgage.

                  Or conversely, the 30 multinationals who paid zero income taxes last year on tens of billions of dollars in revenue.
                  Same, same! 🙂

                  • Fine DK,lets say I completely agree with you,what the fuck about the 1st amendment zones being created by blm on public roads?!,that right there is cause for pushback/fight no matter what else is going on!So,you wanna defend those actions,please do,should be interesting!

                  • @DK

                    So, you’re saying that its OK for the federal government to settle property disputes by bringing in snipers with shoot to kill orders? Are you agreeing with some .gov bullies deciding where in America you do and do not have First Amendment rights?

                    You’re babbling DK; press the reset button and start over. Use some logic this time

                  • Warchild: No I don’t agree with allocated first amendment right zones. I went into the Tempe Arizona Public Library to use the bathroom a few months ago and noticed that they had established such a zone. That was my first experience with them.

                    I don’t know why they bothered, ASU is one of the biggest party schools in the nation (thank you DK). You couldn’t get a dozen unrelated college students assembled in one place, there to protest anything, unless you are giving out free food. Tempe is a very socialist oriented city with FREE BUSES! I mentioned that a few months ago. Of course the sheeple students think its great.

                    While I was attending, I did find a packed house when a visiting (commie) professor was giving a talk about the need for USA nuclear disarmament, but that was because the head of the Sociology Department (also a commie) was giving extra credit for attending the after hours lecture.

                    I ripped that commie a new asshole and the Professor too in my last written remarks after I passed his class.

                    I didn’t address these zones in relationship to Nevada because that is not the real issue there. Bottom line, the basic issue is not free speech, but land ownership and lease payments, or in this case, the lack of payments. 🙂

                  • @DK, just what exactly does the “government” own? Last thing I remember, is we are the government. We owe no fees to these ragtag pieces of crap. The sign on the frigging road or highway, whatever, says “open range”. Why would anyone pay fees to graze anything on open range. In your way of thinking, stay off, this belongs to the TPTB. You’ll be one of the first to lick the boots of TPTB, Good luck when they come to your front door to move you out when you can’t pay property taxes.

              • He never said he owned the land his grandfather BOUGHT the grazing rights and they were handed down through the generations. He stopped paying a land maintenance fee, because the fed gov stopped the upkeep on the lands. Ou have a contractor that doesn’t do the job, and you don’t pay them. Period.

                • That’s a breach of contract, not a sniper event…

                • No his grandfather didn’t BUY the grazing “rights”. The grandfather BOUGHT a grazing lease. Leases have a term limit, but the lease may be renewed year after year with the approval of the property owner.

                  Pay the lease or be evicted. That is the contract law that has been decided here. The Rancher has turned this into every kind of issue imaginable, to sucker the public for support while he cheats US out of rightful payments.

                  He says $300,000. I read that the Court says, $1.1 million. Either way this guy is toast and rightfully so. The real tragedy is how it exposes the Alt Media Sheeple for the brainless idiots that they are.

                  It is no wonder that the PTB have NO respect for the American people and call them useless eaters. Their opinions are easily manipulated. In this case by a Rancher who is a fucking Deadbeat!!! 🙂

                  • Well, govts and corporations buy “leases” with astronomically long expiration dates, like a hundred years or so, so since I don’t happen to have a copy of the Bundy lease, so I’m not prepared to debate whether it had run it’s course or not…and incidentally, neither are you DK. You don’t know the terms of that lease any more than the rest of us do.

                    Nice red herring though.

                  • sixpack: No I don’t have a copy of the Bundy lease. But I do not need one either. Contract law is contract law, and when Bundy stopped paying the grazing fees he breached his contract; therefore the government was no longer bound by the terms of the lease and no longer needed to abide by its terms and conditions, even if it were “in perpetuity”.

                    I doubt that it was. At that point the FEDs were free to release the land to another Rancher or do whatever else they wanted to do with it. Typically, public discussions are held for a particular new plan; but not always. It might be a great location for a solar plant, but the plant would be fenced and Bundy could continue to run cattle on the remainder of the land…. if he paid the fees.

                    By failing to pay his lease fees, Bundy broke his lease. If you break your lease there are consequences. Bundy is a business man. He understands that but like most spoiled little kids, he wants his cake and eat it too. He is a greedy pig feeding at the public trough.

                    Pigs that stay at the trough too long get slaughtered. 🙁

                    Note that I have invited other Ranchers to chime in on the particulars of the typical government grazing lease.

                  • Many ranchers and farmers feed hundreds of thousands, they get up before daylight, and go to bed way after dark. They do more work in 2 days than many do in two weeks. What this boils down to is legal mumbo jumbo over petty laws that are being manipulated. I see both sides, plus Constitutional violations. That is my concern the Constitution should be the law…

              • BLM owns no ground. It is a management agency. You would need to look at the Land Patent.

                • Yep, let’s see a Patent with the name Bundy on it. 600,000 acres, at $1.25 an acre back then, under the Desert Land Act allowing cash sales, Great-Granddaddy Bundy would have had to pony up $900,000 for it back in 1877.

                  I don’t think that he did that, and the only thing he might own out there is a few 160-acre sites around the waterholes, and grazing leases on the rest.

            • Yo Mama, good evening, and I’m right there with you. The reset is coming. I wish all the best to Cliven Bundy and his supporters. Those feds need to start looking over their shoulders. They also need to wonder while they’re acting against the Bundys, who is attacking THEIR homes and families? The feds need to make sure they still have homes standing when they finish their shifts.

              • Brave… There is going to come a point….. and we are getting close…..

                • MOTI: Yes there may come a point and time for armed conflict against a rogue administration that tries to force gun registration and subsequently gun confiscation upon American citizens contrary to OUR natural rights as annotated in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

                  A Deadbeat Rancher in Nevada feeding at the public trough, who is no better than a welfare mother or corporate welfare recipient; is not the person, place, or time.

                  This guy broke his lease and continued to run cattle on public lands while violating TWO Court rulings against him to vacate the land and remove his cows.

                  Armed conflict against a Rogue Government thug or agency is justified if that Rogue government attempts to regulate, or confiscate American guns. Then the issue is clear, and an infringement upon OUR enumerated Constitutional Rights.

                  Nevada is not Concord or Lexington, and a Deadbeat Rancher is not a Patriot, contrary to the many who want to be mislead here. 🙂

                  • DK:

                    My cousin’s grandfather was a rancher with 30,000 acres of wheat, barley, and 1500 head of cattle. Worked there every summer. The BLM comes in and starts their crap. He did not play and refused to drink from their cup. BLM tried legal action and they lost that to. My wife worked for the BLM and saw how they did not hold up their end of the bargain with many ranchers. This issue also has to do with what they will do with the land next. If they were so concerned about the tortuous then why are they themselves euthenising them. It’s all a load of crap and the only reason they are being so heavy handed is the whacky environmentalists have forced their hand with a law suit. It’s going to be awesome to see the look on the tree huggers faces when that land is turned over to the petro industry for fracking. I’m all good with fracking but not like this. The reasons ranchers close gates and put up fences is a lot of idiots that use public and private land don’t know how to close a F#*king gate. If I had a dollar for every time we had to round up cows for this reason. Also when did parts of my country become non free speech areas. Big issue for any true preper or oath keeper. But please as I said earlier … bring you sheep over to my place… the mower is broke and have some grass yourself…. PRAY, PLAN, PREP, FORM TEAMS, …. And pray for our country… She has lost her way…..

                  • come on DK,

                    The simple fact this isn’t making national news and is barely a blip on the Vegas new channels should even give you pause…

                  • Once again,free speech zones dk,to hide govt. criminal actions,what is your defense for them?!

                  • MOTI: Each case is a distinct and separate issue and should be addressed separately. I do not doubt your family’s bad experience. There are many cases of injustice brought about by BLM and Forest Service personnel;which is one of the primary reasons for the Public Lands For The People Organization. We need to aggressively defend OUR rights; but if you do not pay your fees, you do not have a legal leg to stand on.

                    Jerrytbg: While I won’t dismiss your premise, I expect that there are many Ranchers who either owe or have not made their grazing fee payment all over the USA. Let’s remember that this Rancher has been running his cattle on Taxpayer ground illegally for 15 years. This situation should have been addressed physically years ago.

                    Warchild: I did address your comment about Free Speech Zones above. A perfect example why Liberty Lovers and Patriots should organize and communicate their opposition to such zones in no uncertain terms. However, that issue shouldn’t be diluted and confused by other more basic issues; like a Deadbeat Rancher in Nevada. It muddies the water. He is trying to make personal liberty an issue rather than non-payment of fees. He is stupid, greedy, and toast. 🙂

          • I recall these 1st Amendment Pig Pen roped off areas that were first set up to corral protesters during the Yr 2000 Election when GW Bush stole the election from Gore. And if you protested or carried a sign out of these areas you were arrested and held in custody until the Bush Cartel show left town. Then when you went to court a day later, to fight the charge they dismissed the case, so basically you were denied to exercise your 1st Amendment rights on your time frame. And made to feel you should be grateful the charge was dismissed. What a Commie scam set up this is. Greet Tyrants with Lead shot.

        • Wipe out the Feds, and start over!!!!!

        • Time to get a few unfriendly red thumbs. How many that comment on this site are familar with BLM land and ranchers in the West. BLM land belongs to 300 million+ Americans, and most Ranchers will do all they can to lock “YOU” out of public lands, believe me I know. In the Spring ranchers have a certain date on which they can run their cattle and a certain time in the Fall when they are suppose to have them out. Almost everywhere you go in the Mountains all you get is the fresh aroma of cow manure, and it is a chore for forest personal to keep these cows out after the closing date. So let me make my point clear, I have farmed and owned cattle in Mo. if you have 200acres you can only run as many head as your land will support, so how does a man figure he has the right to 300,000 acres for his own personal use that belongs to “we the people” no matter how long his family has lived there. Most large ranches, now belong to wealth people or Corps. and they lease this land for very little. And after it is grazed down, not much is left for the Wildlife don’t know about the turtles. Good luck Cliven. I’ll Die For God and the Constitution, but not for a Rancher. Trekker Out.

          • And I ain’t from North Georgia.

            • MT, wonder how your post ended up under NGIC? Mac, what gives on that?

            • I was wondering about that… That is the longest input from NGIC I have seen yet, most of the time it is ragging 1BHeart… I really would like to see more people voting here, makes one wonder what the readers here think, voting confirms that… One way or another, it makes a difference….

              • Eppe, good evening, and I agree about MT’s post. I knew there was no way that could really be NGIC; he sounded too intelligent and sensible to be NGIC. Plus, NGIC never gets so long-winded, even when he’s trying to rag me.

                • Amen bro, I had the same thoughts…
                  But I always wonder who is who here…

                  • pisst…you wanna buy an ip address…

              • Since I have not posted a joke in a while….

                While walking through Golden Gate Park in San Francisco , a man came upon another man hugging a tree with his ear firmly against the tree. Seeing this he inquired, “Just out of curiosity, what the heck are you doing?”

                “I’m listening to the music of the tree,” the other man replied.

                “You’ve gotta be kiddin’ me.”

                “No, would you like to give it a try?”

                Understandably curious, the man says, “Well, OK..” So he wrapped his arms around the tree and pressed his ear up against it. With this, the other guy slapped a pair of handcuffs on him, took his wallet, jewelry, car keys, then stripped him naked and left.

                Two hours later another nature lover strolled by, saw this guy handcuffed to the tree stark naked, and asked, “What the heck happened to you?”

                He told the guy the whole terrible story about how he got there.

                When he finished telling his story, the other guy shook his head in sympathy, walked around behind him, kissed him gently behind the ear and said, “This just ain’t gonna be your day, cupcake…”

                • Gave ya a thumb up. That was soooooooo BAD !!!

                  • Thanks, sure wish eveyone would would vote up or down, up to 30,000 people visit each post and very few vote one way or another…Sounds like soooo many sheeple in the world, that just want to be sheared, with no opinion on what is happening….

                  • Eppe, this is just the reason we have the kind of Politicians we have. All these people that say voting is a waste of time, want to gripe and complain but they won’t get out and remove the bad one’s from office. Whether Dem or Repub. if the encumbent is not good, get him out during the primary. No, we would rather sit around and wait until the general election and then say, well their just a like. I know of too many that sit an complain about Obama, and then you ask them, did you “vote” and you’ll here a hundred excuses. Somebody is going to be your Leader! So help pick him. Trekker Out.

                • Eppe:
                  That was bad!!!but, I had to laugh and give up a green thumb. That better than what poor cupcake got:-(
                  S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S N.REB

                • That reminds me of the cartoon of one mouse with his head in a mouse trap, another one banging away behind him and a several others lined up out the doorway, waiting for their turn.

                  Heading says “When your down and out, everybody wants a piece of you”.

                  • I happen to clipped that cartoon out, and still have it…

                • Eppe, I laughed my head off! Thanks! On a more serious note, that almost sounds like what is happening to poor Bundy!

                  DK, you make some valid points but something in me loathes what the Feds are doing and it fits a pattern. The Bundies have been connected to this piece of land for a long time. To send in snipers and armed thugs is a bit too much. I would need to hear the whole case laid out to make a decision of who is right and who is wrong but as it stands, the bullies are the BLM. Bundy is the underdog. He is an American! Your previous dealings with Ranchers has colored your thinking.

                  • Glad to see that you caught that, was waiting to see who would correlate the joke to the article….

                  • laeagle: Bundy broke his lease by not paying his fees. He has been in violation of two Court orders to vacate the land; over a period of FIFTEEN YEARS.

                    If you owned a rental house and the renter failed to pay his rent to you, how long would you allow him to squat in your house before calling the cops? A week? Two? A month? Six? If your property is managed by a property management company, the property manager has a fiduciary duty to manage your property according to law.

                    In Arizona, a Landlord / Tenant Act exists that describes the rights and responsibility of landlords and tenants that supersedes all rental agreements so that one party cannot take undue advantage of the other.

                    AS noted here by others, the BLM is a property management company with a fiduciary responsibility to US to mange Taxpayer Trust lands.There are standard lease agreements for mining and grazing. Honestly I think that BLM and the Courts have bent over backwards for this guy.

                    If he were trying to steal my house I would shoot the MF! 🙂

                • I hope I have a better day than cupcake, there.

                • You got green thumbs from me, eppe.
                  Fits the bill quite nicely.
                  But will add how hard it is to type while nose burns fromspewing coffee backwards.

                  Take care

              • Eppe, voting does not let us know what the readers think anymore. There is a handful of voters here who just scroll down and red thumb anything and everything, just because they are mad about something some commenter said last month or whatever. I call it stalking, where it’s not a vote on the thought or the content of the comment, it’s a swipe at a commenter.

                There’s no way to tell anymore what people think about your comment…o0r if they’re pissed at YOU for something and simply want all of your comments hidden.

                Sad and childish, ain’t it?

                • Amen six, I did not see your comment before I posted the one above, but I agree… But if everyone voted, it would show what people thought, good or bad… But I am with you on what you said…GOD bless you too…

                • SP, I suspected you and a handful of others of red thumbing me in the same way you describe . I could never figure out where the red thumbs were coming from other than someone just wanted to shut me down. I too would like to see why someone is thumbing me down.

                  • laeagle and sixpack:

                    I feel if you are redthumbed the coward behind that redthumb, without comment, is just that, a coward.

                    At one time Sixpack, you said the red thumb should tell you you have hit on some truth that someone doesn’t want out there and to consider it a badge of honor. There are people who redthumb every post I make, no matter if I only would say it is a nice day. Cant spend anytime worrying about the poor soul that does that, now can we?

                    Research the TALKBACKERS, funded by israelie, and you will identify a large per cent of the redthumbs. They are actually paid to go through blogs and to disrupt posts that even suggest anything derogatory about israelie and their leaders. Should awaken patriots to what extent israelie will go to cover their tracks, lies, and crimes.

                  • Leagle, you can always count on at least ONE THING from me—if I agree with, or can understand your point, I will thumb it up. If I do not agree with, or understand your point, I will thumb it down.

                    I don’t know you. I cannot make any judgments about you personally, so I don’t try. I do not like or dislike you, because I don’t know you.

                    My thumbs are NEVER intended to be taken personally…EVER. I don’t thumb up or down based on who the commenter is, only what was said in the comment.

                    You can keep that in your pocket for later, if you like.

                  • Six Pack, I green thumbed your reply. At least I know it is you and I accept your explanation. Of course I would like to think that I am always right but I realize no one can be right all the time. I do get the feeling that there are those who red thumb me just because it is me or because of a previous posting they disagreed about. For example, my 4 word comment at the top of this comment section. You have cleared the air. I look forward to seeing your comments. Thanks. I appreciated your offer to serve a hot meal to those on their way to the Bundy Ranch. We are both on the same page this time. Also, I would not change your email account, just change the password. I do think the Feds have their cyber people monitoring and sabotaging accounts and emails. Be careful.

                  • POG, Your comments are always welcome and interesting. Thanks.

            • Yes, years ago we had cattle on our land. Trying to keep people off private land is very hard…chasing cattle is worse. Kids seem to think they can go wherever they want, shooting guns, riding motorcycles, leaving gates open, whatever. You contact their parents and you get yelled at by them. Twisted people…

              • PO’D Granny: Do you mean These online israel Talbackers perhaps?…

                Question put to a Mr. Shurman from the Israeli Foreign Ministry…

                “Will the responders who are hired to POLICE blogs in Israeli interests present themselves as ‘ordinary surfers”?

                Shurmans answer…

                “Of course, our people WILL NOT say “Hello, I am from the policy explanation department of the Iseaeli Foreign Ministry and I want to tell you the following”, nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis. They will speak as net surfers and citizens and will write responses that will LOOK PERSONAL….BUT WILLL BE BASED ON A PREPARED LIST OF MESSAGES THAT THE ISRAELI FOREIGN MINISTRY DEVELOPED”.

                So SHTF community it is the same old story….BY WAY OF DECEPTION…..

                John Q. Public says:

                It seems that the kosher thought cops are on patrol.

                Oy vey!

                The Foreign Ministry presents: paid talkbackers in the service of Israel

                www dot kibush dot co dot il/show _ file dot asp?num=34520

                Over a Year ago Israel HQ head honchos Admited, No, BRAGGED! that the Israel state dept along with MOSSAD spies, have Hired a 1/4 of a Million Paid Online Info forum Disrupters and DIS-Info specialists…All Trained to enter online forums globally, appear to be just another reg avg Poster person etc…And Seek out every Posting or infos that in ANY way, shape or form mention Anything negaitve on jews and/or Israel.

                THEN when such forum replies or comments are discovered, Regardless if Facts and Truth are presented…Israeli Mossad trained Talkbackers will dispute facts, post Lies, overall provide Dis info to either Gain control of debate, or totally Disrupt debates and infos…All with the Main intent to present jews and israel in ONLY a Good light and way…No matter what is real facts or truth so long as online readers get a Good impression of jews and israel in general. State of Israel will Provide talking points etc to all Paid israerli online internet “TalkBackers”…

                Why would Any nations govnt do that and spend such vast amounts of cash doing it if all they do or did or Plan to do is all always Above Board, legit, and Harmfull to zero others etc eh?

                And some folks still wonder why Rabid Aparthide Racist state of Israel’s National slogan is…

                “By DECEPTION You Shall Cause WARS”!!

                Compare to a more Christian minded national slogan such as “In GOD We TRUST”! aka USA MOTTO!

                Huge difference eh folks…USA’s Trust in God is derived from its Christian Roots foundings…Israel’s is based upon Talmudic teachings to decieve(LIE) Cheat, Steal/Rob blind, and even KILL off even the very Best of the Goyim(gentiles aka all non jewish folk)…

                And we are to believe out of 200 countries globally, americas very Best friends and Allies are…Israel?!

                With such good friends and allies,,,Who needs any Enemys?!

                IE: Recall 1967 Israel fighter Jet bomb attack against USS LIBERTY Navy Ship? A Jew israel False Flag designed to Kill off all 200+ Navy men onboard ship, SINK Ship fully….THEN…

                Get every jew owned jewspapers and TV jewsnews to Declare that…OyVEY! EGYPT Just attacked an Unarmed usa navy ship! Killed all 200 Men aboard ship, and Sank ship!…Now America MUST Carpet BOMB Egypt into stone age Pronto folks! Yeah!!! USA! USA! USA!!! Kill Kill Kill all the worlds Goyim, jews so badly HATE!

                But the entire swindle false flag went deep south and Failed! Good thing too eh elsewise WWIII likley would have begun in, 1967!!! Thanks alot Best allies and Best Pals jewish Israel! How better can america possibly be doing if not for such friends and allies who live and thrive upon DECEPTION (LIES)?

                Just ask americas still massively deluded, 50 Million “Jewdeo-Christo-Zios” next sunday at a local church close to Your locations!

                While whacked Out deluded usa folks chant USA USA!!! Them jewdeo christian zios chant “Bless them jews! bless israel”! elsewize God wont bless Us and america folks!

                Don’t bother to provide tons of Biblical verse Proof how absurd and false such delsuional thoughts are, cause like dem libs their minds made Up! do NOT confuse with Facts!

                Anybody Else here that feels more like an Alien from distant universe planet who crash landed on earth, and Now has NO way to repair space ship and Return Home again?!…While being totally surrounded by more idiots and delusional clowns than any Math pro can even begin to count?…This cannot end well folks.

          • MT what are you doing,hedging your bet. My Cuz will kick your ass.

          • “the wealthy elites and corporations own the land”… yeah, right. Because they have the Federal govt to back them up (might makes right, in their eyes).

            In reality the land does NOT belong to those MF, who stole the land! It belongs to the Indians, and anyone else living on this God-given land!

        • Have AR 10, 338 lapua, will travel.
          Just over 500 miles.
          Watch close people, Patriots are getting ‘fed’ up all over the country.

          • Stay home,though hit the e-mail lists on this article,let folks with some say in situation know that the country is watching.We have another Waco tragedy honestly believe there will be reactions across the country/perhaps even a martial law move,just my thoughts.I lived say 100 miles or less would show up to offer support and challenge the bullshit free speech zones,as I said,a bad ending will probably kick start a lot of activity in country.

        • Planetary devastation!!!!!!!! Brahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

        • fukk the CFR !!!! Oh, I meant the federal government (same thing)

        • Last post for a while, as stated before I’m heading to Bunkerville. Maybe Mrs. Maddog will update? Although I have the same responsibilities as any other husband and father I believe there comes times one needs to sacrifice as I did before serving in the military. A supportive wife makes the decision much easier I’m sure. I am not looking for a fight and pray one does not happen however this situation is exactly what I any so many other have complained about and there is no way I will not support Mr.Bundy and the constitution. One of the militia spokesman said this “is the time people need to come together and stand against tyranny in numbers” and the Oathkeepers have requested all members’ participation. The reason is simple, if we fail to show in significant numbers I believe the movement to restore our country will fail right here right now in Nevada. Our cause will be seen as nothing more than a bunch of armchair patriots in the long long complaint line of sheeple. I am a veteran, an Oathkeeper and most of all an American with God given rights that better men than me have fought and died to protect for me and mine. It is time to shut up and put up for posterity or forever be happy in your role as sheep. I see a lot of bullshit posted of excuses and others not agreeing with the excuses and coming up with other excuses they think have more weight and makes them more justified in standing down. Not sure if there is a limit to how far I would travel or how much I would spend to get to Bunkerville, however I do know this was not in my budget this year but I found a way to make it happen. Will be riding down with a fellow patriot I was put in contact with last night and several of the SHTFplan website posters have donated money. So it does appear God makes the right things happen when you put in a little effort. I guess I’ll end with this, if you have means to participate I pray you do the right thing and go or give all you can to those that are. If you don’t and decide to punt again and freedom goes down due to a lack of participation fighting for it, then you will have earned your servitude and be happy in it.

        • Ummm… the Native Americans own the land.

      2. Nothing to look at here, move along.

        • “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

          Ronald Reagan

      3. where is the governor of this state !m.i.a. , must be a democrat !

        • Republican ?

          no matter

          he’s a gutless wonder

          • @Satori

            This is a perfect illustration of why voting is a complete waste of time. No matter who is in charge; Republican or Democrat; nothing changes, and we the people continue to get screwed!

            As a country, we have been “voting” for well over 200 years now, and with each election cycle, the situation just gets worse!

            When will people realize that “voting” is a scam? How many more elections will it take before the people wake up, and say enough!!!

            A vote for a politician is a vote for the dictator of your choice.

            Don’t need no f**kin politicians!

            • Reminds of an old Richard Dreyfus movie, ‘Moon over Parador’, where too soldiers are standing in the street looking at two posters. Both have the dictators face on them but one is blue and the other red (sound familiar). The one soldier says “I think I’ll vote blue”. And the other says, “Vote for whoever you want, it’s a free dictatorship”.

      4. Oathkeepers Vow to Stand by Bundy Ranch in Cattle Dispute with Feds


        The Menace of the Military Mind


        the military is not involved]
        but certainly a militarized police force is

        will they open fire???

        damn straight they will
        history has proven that

        hundreds of heavily armed agents
        the agenda is clear

        • 100 heads is all i got
          From holder and odumbo to the irs targeting conservatives to the DHS and TSA
          Many of us are done talking and voting,

        • Or a retreat by the feds, then a drone accident.

      5. The feds cannot and should not wage war against its own people. The moment they turn weapons of war on the American people they have lost all legitimacy.

        • The feds have been pushing and pushing and now it is TIME to throw them a curve ball and kick some ASS, if we don’t stop them now what will be next?? my garden ?? throw all of them out of office!!

          • I say throw em under the bus and then run em over a few times, then when they send replacements throw them under a D8 and run them and their SUVs over a few times.
            People can hit curve balls, bus run over or dozer, not so much,

            • varmint rules
              shoot , shovel and shut up ,
              owning a D8 helps .

              Semper Fi 8541

        • laeagle, they lost all legitimacy when Lincoln invaded the South in 1861. It’s high time for the reset.

          • BH, Agreed! We have to be united against the new war that will be upon us as they try to disarm the American people and take away our rights and freedom.

          • Uh trb, that is partially true when they entered Va. at Manassas. But it was a 70 year old man who lit the fuse on the first Reb cannon pointed at Fort Sumter that kicked it off. And there is some debate to this day that the first shot starting the war of Northern Aggression, actually started during a night raid at a Fed garrison somewhere down around Miss/Louisiana border.

          • “Blow the dust off the clock. Your watches are behind the times. Throw open the heavy curtains which are so dear to you – you do not even suspect that the day has already dawned outside.” – Solzhenitsyn

            Semper Fi 8541

        • The minute they set up a first amendment zone they lost legitimacy,
          The first amendment is an unalienable right just like the right to bear arms,
          Guess why we have #2?
          SO WE CAN ASSURE #1!

        • Leagle.. “The moment they turn weapons of war on the American people they have lost all legitimacy….” Accualy thats when they lose all …umm…. life….

          • Agree! It’s their foolish choice and our inalienable right to protect ourselves .

        • Eagle,pretty much believe personally they already have lost any legitimacy.

      6. Will they take this to the next level? Meaning how far will this dictatorship take it?
        All you have to do is listen and look to see that the shit is really starting to flow.

      7. Just made a donation to OathKeepers to help out with Food and Water.

        Spread this story to all your fellow Preppers and Patriots.

        We will not back down!

        • I made a donation for food and water also. We can eat beans this week.

        • Chilton, where??

        • I donated to Oathkeepers also, and I gave at Sheriff Mack’s site too.

      8. Anon7 is an irrational pussy troll!

        • Howdy, y99. I agree.

          • Thanks friend, after it’s post on the past story I couldn’t help myself, someday when I’m brain damaged I may fully understand the idiocy of people like Anon7.

        • That was a mistake above. Meant to agree. Anon7 doesnt get my approval at all.

      9. You know, this could set a precedent. First thing we need to do is pray for God’s sovereign will be done. Then be ready to stand by those standing up from freedom.
        I’ve been saying all long all its going to take is some trigger happy fed, and then all hell is going to break loose. Stand by and be ready.

      10. Anyone else having trouble getting onto Thecommonsenseshow.com? Have they shut Dave Hodges down?

      11. In this time of confusion and dispair, think on these things to uplift ones self and make yourself strong, because we sure need it now…

        1) Thou shall think for one’s self.

        2) Thou shall develop compassion, patience, tolerance, love and forgiveness in all aspects of ones’ life.

        3) Thou shall remember that life is a classroom and thou are the student.

        4) Thou shall eat well and find a physical exercise that one will enjoy and practice regularly.

        5) Thou shall remember there is more to life than work.

        6) Thou shall practice a relaxation exercise daily.

        7) Thou shall not worship material things and remember that they shall bring only short term peace.

        8) Thou shall be the person one is meant to be not the person one thinks one should be.

        9) Thou shall remember that thou are unique and have one’s own thoughts and feelings and have the right to be uniquely you.

        10) Thou shall not forget about the Spirit. Thou are more than flesh and bone. Thou have a deep need to find meaning and a connection with a higher power. Find one’s own path to that higher power and do not necessarily follow the path one has inherited.

        • Eppe, thank you for posting those 10 rules.

          • You are welcome, I always wonder what to post pertaining to the subject at hand. But I can only try…
            How is the non smoking going, I know that is a hard gig to quit….We all have our own devils to conflict with….I have considered you as brother from another mother…

            • TIPS FOR A SUPERB LIFE

              Tips for a great life…
              1.) Take a 10-30 minute walk every day. And while you walk, smile. It is the ultimate antidepressant.

              2.) Sit in silence for at least 10 minutes each day. Buy a lock if you have to.

              3.) Buy a TIVO, (DVR), tape your late night shows and get more sleep.

              4.) When you wake up in the morning complete the following statement, ‘My purpose is to_____________ today.’

              5.) Live with the 3 E’s — Energy, Enthusiasm, and Empathy.

              6.) Watch more movies, play more games and read more books than you did last year.

              7.) Always pray and make time to exercise.

              8.) Spend more time with people over the age of 70 and under the age of Six.

              9.) Dream more while you are awake.

              10.) Eat more foods that grow on trees and plants and eat less foods that are manufactured in plants.

              11.) Drink green tea and plenty of water. Eat blueberries, wild Alaskan salmon, broccoli, almonds & walnuts.

              12.) Try to make at least three people smile each day.

              13.) Clear your clutter from your house, your car, your desk and let new and flowing energy into your life.

              14.) Don’t waste your precious energy on gossip, energy vampires, issues of the past, negative thoughts or things you cannot control. Instead, invest your energy in the positive present moment.

              15.) Realize that life is a school and you are here to learn. Problems are simply part of the curriculum that appear and fade away like algebra class ……but the lessons you learn will last a lifetime.

              16.) Eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a college kid with a maxed out charge card.

              17.) Smile and laugh more. It will keep the energy vampires away.

              18.) Life isn’t fair, but it’s still good.

              19.) Life is too short to waste time hating anyone.

              20.) Don’t take yourself so seriously. No one else does.

              21.) You don’t have to win every argument. Agree to disagree.

              22.) Make peace with your past so it won’t screw up the present.

              23.) Don’t compare your life to others’. You have no idea what their journey is all about.

              24.) Ladies – Go on and burn those ‘special’ scented candles, use the 600 thread count sheets, the good china and wear our fancy lingerie now. Stop waiting for a special occasion. Everyday is special.

              25.) No one is in charge of your happiness except you.

              26.) Frame every so-called disaster with these words: ‘In five years, will this matter?’

              27.) Forgive everyone for everything.

              28.) What other people think of you is none of your business.

              29.) Time heals almost everything. Give time, time!

              30.) However good or bad a situation is, it will change.

              31.) Your job won’t take care of you when you are sick. Your friends will. Stay in touch with them.

              32.) Get rid of anything that isn’t useful, beautiful or joyful.

              33.) Envy is a waste of time. You already have all you need. God provides remember?!

              34.) The best is yet to come. (in Heaven)

              35.) No matter how you feel, get up, dress up and show up.

              36.) Do the right thing!

              37.) Call your family often.

              38.) Each night before you go to bed complete the following statements:
              ‘I am thankful for __________.’ ‘Today I accomplished _________.’

              39.) Remember that you are too blessed to be stressed.

              40.) Enjoy the ride. Remember that this is not Disney World and you certainly don’t want a fast pass. You only have one ride through life so make the most of it and enjoy the ride.

        • Eppe:
          I have never seen them rule before.
          Thanks for sharing them. They are good rules to live by and It does cost a dime.
          Thanks again my friend!:-)
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R N.S. N.REB

          • Thatis; does not cost a dime. oopps

          • NR; I try, it is hard to be PC, and yet post things that are either funny and/or serious…
            Make me wonder what GOD thinks of me…
            Bad or Good, Evil or Rightous, Funny or Silly….
            I am glad to see that bad jokes are just jokes, not a reflection on how I really am…
            In the same note, good jokes are just jokes, I just like to make people smile, makes the heart laugh, and extends life as we know it…

            • stop worrying about PC—we love ya anyway, eppe!

              • a bit long but good.

                Thanks six, I will not worry about being PC anymore, but some of the things I post will be radical then, but what the Hell…

                Thanksgiving 2022

                “Winston, come into the dining room, it’s time to eat,” Linda yelled to her husband.
                “In a minute, honey, it’s a tie score,” he answered.
                Actually Winston wasn’t very interested in the traditional holiday football game between Detroit and Washington .
                Ever since the government passed the Civility in Sports Statute of 2017, outlawing tackle football for its “unseemly violence” and the “bad” example it sets for the rest of the world”, Winston was far less of a football fan than he used to be. Two-hand touch wasn’t nearly as exciting.
                Yet it wasn’t the game that Winston was uninterested in. It was more the thought of eating another Tofu Turkey . Even though it was the best type of Veggie Meat available after the government revised the American Anti-Obesity Act of 2018, adding fowl to the list of federally-forbidden foods, (which already included potatoes, cranberry sauce, and mincemeat pie), it wasn’t anything like real turkey.

                And ever since the government officially changed the name of “Thanksgiving Day” to “A National Day of Atonement” in 2020, to officially acknowledge the Pilgrims’ historically brutal treatment of Native Americans, the holiday had lost a lot of its luster.

                Eating in the dining room was also a bit daunting.
                The unearthly gleam of government-mandated fluorescent light bulbs made the Tofu Turkey look even weirder than it actually was, and the room was always cold.
                Ever since Congress passed the Power Conservation Act of 2016, mandating all thermostats – which were monitored and controlled by the electric company – be kept at 68 degrees, every room on the north side of the house was barely tolerable throughout the entire winter.

                Still, it was good getting together with family. Or at least most of the family.

                Winston missed his mother, who passed on in October, when she had used up her legal allotment of life-saving medical treatment.
                He had had many heated conversations with the Regional Health Consortium, spawned when the private insurance market finally went bankrupt, and everyone was forced into the government health care program.

                And though he demanded she be kept on her treatment, it was a futile effort.
                “The RHC’s resources are limited,” explained the government bureaucrat Winston spoke with on the phone. “Your mother received all the benefits to which she was entitled.
                I’m sorry for your loss.”

                Ed couldn’t make it either. He had forgotten to plug in his electric car last night, the only kind available after the Anti-Fossil Fuel Bill of 2021 outlawed the use of the combustion engines – for everyone but government officials.
                The fifty mile round trip was about ten miles too far, and Ed didn’t want to spend a frosty night on the road somewhere between here and there.

                Thankfully, Winston’s brother, John, and his wife were flying in.

                Winston made sure that the dining room chairs had extra cushions for the occasion.
                No one complained more than John about the pain of sitting down so soon after the government-mandated cavity searches at airports, which severely aggravated his hemorrhoids.
                Ever since a terrorist successfully smuggled a cavity bomb onto a jetliner, the TSA told Americans the added “inconvenience” was an “absolute necessity” in order to stay “one step ahead of the terrorists.”

                Winston’s own body had grown accustomed to such probing ever since the government expanded their scope to just about anywhere a crowd gathered, via Anti-Profiling Act of 2022.
                That law made it a crime to single out any group or individual for “unequal scrutiny,” even when probable cause was involved.
                Thus, cavity searches at malls, train stations, bus depots, etc., etc., had become almost routine. Almost.

                The Supreme Court is reviewing the statute, but most Americans expect a Court composed of six progressives and three conservatives to leave the law intact.
                “A living Constitution is extremely flexible”, said the Court’s eldest member, Elena Kagan. ” Europe has had laws like this one for years.
                We should learn from their example,” she added.

                Winston’s thoughts turned to his own children. He got along fairly well with his 12-year-old daughter, Brittany, mostly because she ignored him. Winston had long ago surrendered to the idea that she could text anyone at any time, even during Atonement Dinner.
                Their only real confrontation had occurred when he limited her to 50,000 texts a month, explaining that was all he could afford.
                She whined for a week, but got over it.

                His 16-year-old son, Jason, was another matter altogether. Perhaps it was the constant bombarding he got in public school that global warming, the bird flu, terrorism, or any of a number of other calamities were “just around the corner”, but Jason had developed a kind of nihilistic attitude that ranged between simmering surliness and outright hostility.
                It didn’t help that Jason had reported his father to the police for smoking a cigarette in the house, an act made criminal by the Smoking Control Statute of 2018, which outlawed smoking anywhere within 500 feet of another human being.
                Winston paid the $5,000 fine, which might have been considered excessive before the American dollar became virtually worthless as a result of QE13.

                The latest round of quantitative easing the federal government initiated was, once again, to “spur economic growth.”
                This time, they promised to push unemployment below its years-long rate of 18%, but Winston was not particularly hopeful.

                Yet the family had a lot for which to be thankful, Winston thought, before remembering it was a Day of Atonement.

                At least, he had his memories.
                He felt a twinge of sadness when he realized his children would never know what life was like in the Good Old Days, long before government promised to make life “fair for everyone” before they realize their full potential.
                Winston, like so many of his fellow Americans, never realized how much things could change when they didn’t happen all at once, but little by little, so people would get used to them.
                He wondered what might have happened if the public had stood up while there was still time, maybe back around 2012, when America lost its way and all the real nonsense began.
                “Maybe we wouldn’t be where we are today if we’d just said ‘enough is enough’ when we had the chance,” he thought.
                Maybe so, Winston. Maybe so.
                Mark Twain once said: “Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

                • …..sigh….good one eppe….wish I could wake up my family and friends…


                • And that’s the way it ends…

                • We should expansd this and make it a movie…

                • There will always be mincemeat pie where I live. With a scoop of vanilla ice cream of course. Still got my Great Grandmaw’s scratch recipe.

            • eppe–don’t worry too much about what God thinks–he has a sense of humor; he made giraffes.

              • …and politicians.

            • eppe: two of the pasters at my church enjoy a beer once a week and if they hit there hand with a hammer you might here a cus word. They are loved by us because they act human. I also know God loves and protects them because they love him and us and serve both. I like my “christians” a little rough on the edges. I trust them more. Keep the jokes coming…. PRAY, PLAN, PREP, FORM TEAMS….. and live a little…. time apears to be short….. now where did the misses put that fancy nightgown…..

        • As a Buddheo-Christian, thank you Eppe for your ten rules up there.


        replying to:

        “I’ve been saying all long all its going to take is some trigger happy fed, and then all hell is going to break loose. Stand by and be ready.”

      13. We are born into this world and this country innocent. We did’nt ask to be born into usury and slavery, a number applied to and gouged upon to the max for the benefit of greedy corrupt capitalists who feel their right is to decide how, in what manner, when and where we conduct our time on Earth. As far as we know, we only get one chance to live on this planet. Considering human intelligence, it makes sense that this brief existance of individual and collective humanity should be free of negative influence that has built up to the level of worldwide tyranny. The people cry out for relief from oppression and crimes against natural common sense. The pleas are ignored. TPTB want us and have us divided and conquered, yet basically we all are the same and all desire the same things, peace, love and a harmonious life. Those standing in the way of what a beautiful and wonderful life every human has the capacity to realize while alive need to be removed from the living. Sure, that is not reality, but I still can dream of what could and should be. If we are born free. we are free for all of our life.

      14. If shots are fired this will be the Second American Revolution.There will be waves upon waves.It will not end.We WILL take their weapons and use them against them.If you lame ass bitches want to bring in foriegn troops please equip them well so we will have the best equipment because we will take it.Get pilots because there will be birds to fly.Come on Russia divide so we can conquar.

      15. blm-fracking-racket-exposed-armed-siege-and-cattle-theft-from-bundy-ranch-really-about-fracking-leases

      16. Grazing scrap land now. Your story book mini homestead next? Oh yea. Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.

      17. We have to ask “Who are these people that side with the Corporate Government?” What kind of mentality would turn against Law Abiding Citizens? What kind of profile fits someone who would look through a high power, fully automatic, AR scope, with every intention of pulling the trigger.

        Folks, we are dealing with very dangerous weapons and technology in the hands of psychopathic skinheads, hyped on steroids and psychotropics, who not only get paid doing what they are groomed for, but find profound satisfaction having that power, recognition and support from their mafia bosses, to justify their hideous actions. These thugs, these sub humans, have to be found where they live and breed, and dealt with. They need to be exposed and gutted and hung like an animal, once and for all. THEY ARE THE DISEASE INFECTING THIS COUNTRY. No one is immune from their Fascist mentality.

        We live in extremely dangerous times. BUNKERville is coming to a neighborhood near you. They want everything, all resources; Water, minerals, food, your home, your weapons, your wife and kids. Human life means nothing to these people.

        • EA
          These jerks are the same sort of people who did Hitlers bidding in WW2
          They feel they are in the right,
          I gotta tell you, im sick and tired of the arrogance that i get from government workers, its time to take every last one of them down a notch from the highest politicians to the abusive clerks, show em the door!

        • Euro American: Great Post! and as I am sure you know…They act that way due to it is Their Fraud Religious beliefs and practices that create their satanic ways.

          They even have a couple verses that Command all members to never allow for any goyims to learn of what is In those religious texts and books! The main reason given in those warning verses are And I am paraphraseing here so may not be verbatim exact but close enough.

          Reason verse says “For if the Goyim should ever find out what these talmudic books teach Us,about Them,the goyims…They will Probobly Hunt every last one of us done and kill us all because of it!”

          That should open even the most Glazed over Scales covered Eyes of even the most ignorant of the goyims eh.

          What the hell type religion teaches such vile, perverted, evilness?….Teaches such spitefull, hatefull things members Must believe and practice?…None but Theirs thats what kind!

          Cristianity teaches love, forgivness, Helping less fortunate, help strangers etc…Teaches PEACE and GOODWILL to Others.

          Compare to Theirs…Teaches Rob/Steal. LIE, Decieve, scorn, hate,despise and Kill even the Best of…The Goyims!….And all we hear MSM like FAUX TV speak of is “Oh that evil Koran book and all its jihadi stuff!!”

          Perhaps BOTH are Our worst enemys eh! but after Much research of both my conclusions are that while YES Koran is deadly to non islamics…

          The Talmudic teachings are at Least 50 Times worse and more deadly to All non members….FACT! Read it and see for yourself.

          99% of american folk are simply Not capable of belief that YES there really can be Others out there, and Amoung Us here, whos actual beliefs and ways are so contrary and so opposed to our ways or beliefs.

          They cannot phantom how can anybody be so,that way?

          How can any people or group, especially a religion so promote such evils against ALL others as theirs does?

          Yet it is what it is eh…And Oh Yes it does and Yes they are…..Hopefully enough shall soon awaken before its too late to.

      18. This just goes to show you we are not a free Republic. When you have an unconstitutional bodies like the, LBM, EPA, OSHA, DHS, TSA, NSA, USDA, and any other alphabet group you can name. That enforces there own laws.

        There is NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORTY to have any of these.

        If there is, PLEASE show me the statue in the Constitution that states they can exist and enforce rules and laws on the citizen of the U.S. That were not passed by the Congress and signed by the President.

        I hope and pray that this mess gets cleared up with no blood shed.
        If there is blood shed God help us all
        Like the old CCR song lyric: “There Is A Bad Moon On The Rise”.

        S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

      19. They attacked a WOMAN because they are SCARED of the MEN. Shameful pigs!

      20. Things to be thankful for….
        How Great is Our God?
        Our Creator and Redeemer . . . and do we THINK about it ??? God’s accuracy may be observed in the hatching of eggs…For example: The eggs of the potato bug hatch in 7 days; -those of the canary in 14 days; -those of the barnyard hen in 21 days; -The eggs of ducks and geese hatch in 28 days; -those of the mallard in 35 days; -The eggs of the parrot and the ostrich hatch in 42 days. (Notice, they are all divisible by seven, the number of days in a week!)

        God’s wisdom is seen in the making of an elephant. The four legs of this great beast all bend forward in the same direction. No other quadruped is so made. God planned that this animal would have a huge body, too large to live on two legs. For this reason He gave it four fulcrums so that it can rise from the ground easily.

        The horse rises from the ground on its two front legs first. A cow rises from the ground with its two hind legs first. How wise the Lord is in all His works of creation!

        God’s wisdom is revealed in His arrangement of sections and segments, as well as in the number of grains.

        -Each watermelon has an even number of stripes on the rind.
        -Each orange has an even number of segments.
        -Each ear of corn has an even number of rows.
        -Each stalk of wheat has an even number of grains.
        -Every bunch of bananas has on its lowest row an even number of bananas, and each row decreases by one, so that one row has an even number and the next row an odd number.

        -The waves of the sea roll in on shore twenty-six to the minute in all kinds of weather.

        -All grains are found in even numbers on the stalks, and the Lord specified thirty fold, sixty fold, and a hundred fold all even numbers.

        God has caused the flowers to blossom at certain specified times during the day. Linnaeus, the great botanist, once said that if he had a conservatory containing the right kind of soil, moisture and temperature, he could tell the time of day or night by the flowers that were open and those that were closed!

        The lives of each of you may be ordered by the Lord in a beautiful way for His glory, if you will only entrust Him with your life. If you try to regulate your own life, it will only be a mess and a failure. Only the One Who made the brain and the heart can successfully guide them to a profitable end.I HOPE YOU FIND THIS AS FASCINATING AS I DID. May God Bless You in Ways You Never Even Dreamed.

      21. Eppe:
        AMEN BROTHER EPPE, AMEN. Great Blog, Thanks
        I just found out that I lost one of my cousins a little while ago and need a pick me up .Thanks again.

        • NR; I have been losing friends and relatives in the last year like crazy, makes one come to the realization of how fragile life is and how much friendship is an integrial part of life…It does make one wonder, when is my time up???

          • I hear you. I lost my entire family in less than 3 yrs…worst yrs of my life…so far.

      22. I live 100 miles away from this. Local news showed protesters getting harassed today by armed BLM butt holes. Local militia ready and waiting, have sent unarmed members to recon. A false move and it will be ugly real fast and real close to me. have weapons cleaned, lubed and ready. If this goes live it’s on my door step so I am prepared for SHTF. Pray for peace but prepare for war.

        • please keep us updated. Some of us are trying to watch this closely.

          • Most of us six…. could be the watershead moment…. may it end right and peacfully….

            • AMEN. MOTI.

        • AC
          Have tried to make contact with someone like Alex Jones, Steve Quayle, Glen Beck or Hagman and Hagman. They have radio shows and they can get out a lot of INFO ASAP.
          did you try to contact your local militia to see if they have anyway to get the info main stream so that we can know what is going on, and not find out it a day or two later. The Patriot channel 124 on Sirius radio might help also. Also the Blaze Radio.

      23. I do not know the facts here, and there seem to be arguments supporting both sides, but as a Nevada and US citizen, I object to the “first amendment areas” cordoned off with orange temporary fencing. The Feds are itching for a confrontation by taking such brazen actions which will not be viewed well by history or by those who read and understand the Bill of Rights.

        By the looks of the photos the LEO boys are not prepared for a real dispute. I hope it does not escalate and the Rancher involved gets to settle this in a court of law, not by brute force of the gov’t.

        As for the BLM, they are not terribly popular folks in Nevada – long before this issue. Can you imagine that?

      24. Everyone talks about the ‘government’. There is no government, at least not by the people.
        It is an oligarchy or corporatocracy and has been for a very long time.

        oligarchy: meaning ‘few’ and ‘to rule or command’.(sound familiar??)

        corporatocracy: a system of government run for the benefit of corporations at the expense of political power, civil liberties and economic freedom for the rest of society. (sound even more familiar??)

        You decide. I say what we are experiencing now is both.

      25. Yes sir, I took a Oath that I will protect the Constitution. Can be on site in 24 hours. Just waiting to see where this is heading first, before I make a move. I can’t afford to lose my job over hot air and legal disputes, screw my job if this turns ugly.

        • LC:
          Doing the same her with my group.
          I said I would go east if need be, but now west looks like the place I might have to go.

      26. Our heavenly Father; keep all involved safe, be it National Guard, State Militias, or families there to support and protect the Bundies.
        And if You must, smite those evil bastards abusing our Constitutional and God-given rights.

        • Amen.

          KySSG . . . out.

      27. The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA.org), led by retired Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack, and the Oath Keepers organization (oathkeepers.org) are assisting Washington State Representative Matt Shea in organizing a delegation of current serving Western state legislators and Sheriffs to travel to the site of a tense stand-off between Bunkerville, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). The delegation is traveling to Nevada to support a coalition of current serving Nevada legislators being organized by Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, of Las Vegas, to stand vigil at the Bundy ranch to prevent Federal Government provocation of violence resulting in another Ruby Ridge or Waco type incident. They also hope that their example of oath-sworn public servants defending the rights of the people will prompt Clark County, Nevada Sheriff Douglas Gillespie and Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval to honor their oaths of office by taking real action to defend the rights of the Bundy family, the rights of all Nevadans, and the sovereignty of the State of Nevada.
        This is far, far more important than any trip to Washington D.C. to wave signs and yell at a deaf and blind Congress, White House, or Supreme Court.

        • Sounds like sheriff gillespie needs a recall vote, like, yesterday..same with the gov if he remains silent on this.

        • Thanks JayJay:

          I made my donation. Hope a lot more parTriots read your post and donate. WE MUST BEGIN TO DO WHAT WE CAN OR ALL WILL BE LOST……

      28. I may ramble here a bit, but its been a long time since military science class. Still have all of the books somewhere. Anyway, if someone could set up a po box in town for supplies, and then get a list going it would help those on the ground. I am sure we all have extra beans and precious metals like brass and lead we can spare. Course it would have to be done right, no skimming off the top. Hell maybe a direct delivery would be better . Truck or air drop, a standing army only stands as long as the supply chain holds them up.

      29. Down with the Fedillegals! Jack booted thug punk bitches look like a bunch of Kool wanna be Gestapo nazis out there. I hope the old man and his rag tag crew kick there ass and let all hell break loose coast to coast! The day of the gun behind every blade of grass is near. Tyrants beware. The slave has had enough beatings. B)

      30. Cliven Bundy’s ‘lawful’ position fails instantly, if he resorts to citing constitutions and their contents.

        Constitutions as ‘intellectual property’ are ‘written instruments’ of an ‘offer to contract’, and citing them or their contents as a defense of a position you’re taking in relation to a another party, amounts to agreeing to contract, and accepting to be ‘controlled’ by ‘whatever whims’ are decided by that party, whose written instrument as a contract allows them any flexibility to fulfill their wishes if you are to be found in their territorial jurisdiction through acceptance of their written instrument.

        To understand claims of land made by the United States, requires a position to be taken that rebuts those claims using facts.

        The facts to be considered are

        a) Cliven Bundy himself, and

        b) the changes that he undergoes, meaning, is there evidence of a ‘change’ within his thinking that he has admitted to being in the territorial jurisdiction of another party by accepting terms within the other party’s written instrument, and therefore agreeing to be found in the territory of their jurisdiction, whose rules are governed by the negotiable contract that is their constitution as an instrument of their intellectual property.

        The means to go about obtaining this evidence can be found in –


      31. Mac et al..

        A live feed (or boots on the ground) link would keep us all up to date on this situation..

        Hell, if they can do it in eastern Europe and the Mideast..
        surely someone or some organization could set up a live feed in Nevada..?


      32. if this thing goes to shit and a bunch of patriots and ranchers get killed, wounded, and/or bogus charged with terrorism or some other patriot act bullshit….remember the general elections on November 4th people.

        Whichever party gents the majority via election fraud from TPTB don’t make any difference….both parties are the same and are controlled by the same group of oligarchs in the CFR. However, if they wind up pulling out the conservative puppets and tossing aside the liberal puppets….we can at least see that they are scared of triggering rebellion and are trying to spin their illusion of a democracy back towards a more constitutional-seeming day-to-day reality.

        It also means that they might not risk running Hillary. Wouldn’t that be nice??

        • Hillary will win, elected by the women’s vote.

          • S.S.
            Then watch the REVOLUTION BEGIN!

      33. Durango Kid is correct. Bundy don’t own the land. Bundy didn’t pay the Grazing fees. Bundy somehow thinks he don’t have to pay grazing fees? The BLM has court documents stating Bundy is required to pay Grazing fees. Now only idiots would lift a finger to assist the deadbeat scofflaw. Good grief bundy,s case is nothing compared to the removal of the five civilized tribes. Bundys case is trivial compared to the manifest destiny that took the very exact same land bundy is grazing away from the native americans. Go ahead waste your time & resourses making a futile stand protecting a scofflaw deadbeat you are free to do so. Risk you life over nothing your free to do so. If you make such bad knee jerk decisions in this situation. You wouldn’t survive a real SHTF anyhow.

        • Still,no matter what else,the free speech zone is total bullshit and reason enuff to fight right there.

          • WC
            I couldn’t agree with you more!
            I’ll say what I want to say where I want to say it.
            THE FEDS BE DAMNED!!!!

      34. How is this all going to pan out?

        Is this a business contract broken. Does the State of Nevada own the land or does the Federal Government. Is the Federal Government no more than a claim jumper and extortionist.

        Does the First and Tenth Amendments of the Constitution, come into play even if the rancher may be wrong in his assertion.

      35. Is the BLM a part of the IRS as they have confiscated the cows and sold them at auction for non payment of Fees/Taxes.

      36. A federal judge ruled that Bundy should pay the BLM the grazing fees. that’s good enough for me. Bundy didn’t pay any grazing fees to anyone not to the BLM not to the state of Nevada. He is just tryng to get something for nothing.

        • Yes, this whole issue is about greed on both sides, see my comment also.

          And the Constitution is used as an excuse by Bundy to not pay and risk injury and or death to others so he can keep his money.

        • Old Guy:

          If you support decisions by our feral judges appointed by our feral government then you definitely do have your head up your ass.

          The 9th circuit court in California, the supreme court of our once great country (and if I were to delve into it much deeper) I probably would find a huge amount of the “political appointed” judges in all states are fed government stooges.

          The more you post Old Guy, it seems you are a left leaning libtard. You remind me of my old inlaws, if SATAN was on the democratic side of the ballot they would have voted for him….

          I suppose you supported Supreme Court Justice Roberts decision on Obamacare. That turncoat bastard had better “like it hot” cause that is where he is headed someday. When patriots decide to make a real stand those bastards had better be watching their every step.

          Did you bother to look up that Federal Judge to see if he was bought and paid for?????? My money is on YES!!!!

          • I haven’t a penny of health insurance. And there is no punishment or reward great enough to entice or force me to buy health care.

      37. The guy is at best wrong and at worst, delusional. The federal government has jurisdiction over the land. His family must have paid grazing rights to the BLM for decades before he stopped in 1993. He brought this on himself because of his own arrogance and greed. All he had to pay was $1.35 per animal per month. You couldn’t lease private land for a tenth of that.

        • Barn Cat
          BLM wasn’t around when he family settled the land.
          BLM was established in 1946. The Bundys have been there before Nevada was as territory. They were there when it belonged to Mexico.

          • Sgt. Dale, before the BLM it was the Grazing Service, and before that the General Land Office.

            The Bundy’s came long after the land passed from Mexico to the USA, that happened in 1848, they came in 1877.

            Even if it were true that Bundy was there when it was Mexican territory, which it isn’t, he would have needed a grant or permiso from Mexico City, or the Viceroy when it was Spanish territory, not Mexican. None of those things exist according to Bundy.

        • 200 cows X $1.35 per cow = $270 X 12 months = $3240 X 20 years = $64800

          For 20 years…that’s some rather big interest applied to have a $300,000 AND $800,000 due.

          • Thats government math,
            Any more questions as to why there should be mass non compliance with any and all federal laws?
            How can we start a group?
            Bring in Oathkeepers, various other groups and anyone to visibly and vocally oppose and publicize.
            Voting wont do a damn thing,
            A few hundred thousand people removing their consent will get noticed.

          • Probably legal fees in there as well, and administrative costs. It can add up quickly.

        • So if One fed Judge rules in Favor of some group or individual who desires OLD GUYS entire farm and land etc…And same fed judge rules Old Guy is to be Paid just 1/4th of real property total values….We can all assume that Old Guy will speedily comply and exit his property fast after accepting 1/4 value as Paid in Full end of story?

          Its about alot more than simply a buisness deal.

      38. Bundy states I don’t recognize them having any jurisdiction over this land. That sounds like the step child stating you cant tell me what to do you aint my parent.

          • Take note of who is standing up for the government on this,,,
            when it all goes south, and the BLM thugs start firing on folks it will be interesting to watch these people again defend the government,,,

            Eyes wide open,, just a reminder that you cant trust anyone, if there is something you dont want getting out, you sure as hell shouldnt be posting it here,,,
            me personally couldnt give a rats ass,,,
            you want me, come and get me,,,

            • True story, Kula:

              Don’t take much discernment from reading the posts here to know who to choose and who to lose……

          • That’s just hot air on Bundy’s part.

            The County or the State are not the landowners and cannot accept payment for something they are not legally entitled to be paid.

            Go ahead, next April 15th, pay your Federal income taxes to the City and see where that gets you.

            When Bundy sends a Certified check to the Governor, maybe I’ll feel like he isn’t a blowhard.

      39. Here’s a thought…. I don’t believe a damn thing’s going to happen. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch. Just gonna be a bunch of jaws and gums beating together. That’s all for now, weather has turned good and I got a garden to get in.

      40. The U.S. Gov’t Vs. a Cattle Rancher: ‘Wake up America. They are taking everything away from us.’


        I love this part
        Bundy owes $300,000 for grazing fees and then another
        $800,000 for ???

        cost to the taxpayers to take his cattle 3 million and counting

        “BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon told reporters that the Bundys owe the government a total of $1.1 million, including $300,000 in back fees for using the land — but estimates reveal that the taxpayer cost of the federal government impounding the rancher’s cattle in response could top out at $3 million”

        another great use of taxpayer money !!!

        Bundy has lost in a court of “law”
        but keep in mind
        this is the same court system that says corporations are “people”
        with all of the accompanying rights but none of the responsibilities

        also the same court system that has said money is free speech

        • This mess is just beginning,,,

          • Look at the Vast Majority of Judges, especially FED judges nationwide. Is it Any wonder that based upon Their true belief system aka religion, they have been Gradually, Constantly for at Least past 100 Yrs now, changeing Our orig US Const and BOR based methods of Laws, court decisions etc into a totally different system that way More closely resembles Their Talmudic religion beliefs?

            The Main bottom Line Basics of talmudic religion is that there are TWO types or groups of People.

            #1= jews and #2 type people or group= All non jew aka Goyims.

            And most every Page of all, is it up to 65 book volums now grand total for talmud?….Page after Page explains the vast huge differences betwwen Them VS us, with them being jewish and Us being NON jew Goyim gentiles.

            For Example per Their NOAHIDE Law standards..

            Jews are NOT under Noahide law at all…ONLY gentiles are.

            In all courts once jews gain total full control and rulership in a nation(entire world rule is main plans) then ALL courts Must have only Jewish judges.

            If any Jew is charged for a crime or offence, it falls under Talmud law NOT Noahide laws, as ONLY goyis fall under that law.

            To CONVICT a Gentile under Noahide law offence, ONLY one single witness is needed to convict and ONLY one single Jew judge present at case trial etc..AND Anyone can be that single witness even a family member.

            BUT if a jew is charged with ANYthing or offence…23 Jew judges Must be Present deciding that jews fate and Guilt etc!…AND there MUST be at least TWO jewish witness’s testifying against the jew charged.

            AND BOTH Witness’s testimony againt a charged jew in a court where 23 jewish judges must hear that case and all agree when deciding guilty or not..

            the Two witness’s and the court all MUST prove that Neither witness is family of one charged, and that the jew charged was FIRST TOLD what hes ABOUT to do that its a crime is indeed criminal! in other words if either of two witness’s or more if they exist, MUST prove beyond all doubt that Yes indeed THEY PRE warned the charged jew ahead of time that hes about to commit a crime or offence of the Talmudic laws(not Noahide law thats reserved for the Lessser race of gentile goyims, all of the goyim lesser folks)…AND…

            Besides Solid Proof that charged jew was PRE warned hes about to commit a crime if he proceeds further etc….The charged jew MUST have been afforded a chance to change his mind and NOT do the crime also IN advance of commision of crime!

            ONLY then when ALL That is fully complied with can that jew be found guilty and it Must be by ALL 23 Judges!!

            While all NON jews falls under Noahide laws, and every guilty of any offence gets DEATH penalty by BEHEADING!.

            Beheadings due to jews rabbis determined of the FOUR major methods to kill/execute convicted Goyim, Hanging, Strangulation, BURNED ALIVE! or BEHEADED…The top controler Pharisee rabbis determined that beheadings are the Least Painfull method of death penalty!

            Aint That so, so , so nice of them pharisee rabbis eh!

            Meanwhile every possible way they can conjur up to avoid even a charge against any jews let alone a guilty verdict has been employed to protect jews from being charged or found guilty at all.

            Because a mandate of Minimum TWO jewish witness’s or more, And court hearing with 23 judges at same time and ALL must agree to guilty verdict, PLUS Mandate that charged jew MUST first be pre warned hes about to do wrong before he proceeds and hes given every possible opertunity to RE think it and NOT commit any crimes..

            Well its Obvious those talmudic jews has ZERO plans to convict any jewish folks eh…Rather they do have BIG plans to convict as Many Goym Gentiles as possible so they can Behead the guilty goyim and Kill another lesser-goyim.

            Kinda ties in with animal sacrafices due to Goyim means an animal with OUT any Soul given from God…As souless animals the goyim or gentile is like a squirel being struck by a Car on the road…Whats the big deal if you run over a squirel and kill it eh?…happens quite Often daily and Nobody gets charged for a crime nor a Murder right folks?

            Therefore if a gentile is a Goyim and a Goyim is an animal with zero soul from God same as ALL other animals?

            Why should any jews get charged for Killing as many goyims as that jew feels like killing?

            HOWEVER keep in Mind that if a Gentile Kills another gentile goyim?…THEN Thats a MURDER Charge and if convicted that murderous goyin gets Beheaded under Noahide laws.

            Just One of many parts or examples of the jewish talmudic mindset and its distinctions of just how Vastly Different a jew is compared to a non jew goyim gentile folks.

            And More reasons to see and understand just what the hell has been going on to so upset america, so destroy its orig us const and BOR and laws etc eh..

            Why do ya think ONLY Berine Maddoff went to Prison?

            He Violated the jews Talmudic GOLDEN Rule! Maddoff Ripped off, cheated Other JEWS out of tons of Cash and investments!

            While most every Other WALL STREET jew swindler and banksters Only Rip Off and Cheat GOYIM gentiles! and Thats Always A-OK, zero crime, zero Sins, Zero jews charged!

            US Const and BOR as Written, Same as Christ accused Pharisee rabbis and their jew religious followers of doing has been so altered, so vastly Changed, so massivly Twisted in its basic meanings…That just as Pharisee rabbis Christ accused were guilty of doing…Changed Gods commands, laws, and Words into Meaningless, Nonsense and obfuscated all that God said. They turned what God said to DO into OK to NOT do and visa versa. Untill all who followed Talmudic Pharisee teachings became TWICE the Child of HELL, as those Pharisee rabbis themselves already WERE!!

            Today we see the exact same tactic, by the same folks, jewish rabbis and lawmakers etc and Judges has done to the us const and BOR what their ancestors did to the orig words and commands and laws of God…Total Goobly gook nonsense none can understand nor obey any longer.

            Do You Get it Yet folks…

            • We get, Bundy’s cows are all Jews.

              How did you find it out? Did you check to see if they were circumcised? Or was it the horns?

              • Really Smokey, is that the best you can do with themguys post? How about a post proving what he wrote is not true?

                There is a tactic called “ad hominem” that communists are taught to use Smokey. The meaning of that tactic is IF YOU CANNOT ATTACK THE MESSAGE THEN ATTACK THE MESSENGER.

                It is used here frequently at shtf when someone has no proof that a post is untrue. A lot of posters have caught on to that tactic, Smokey. Most would like a post showing what the other poster stated is not true.

                • Good ad hominem tactic, there, implying I’m a communist.

                  You go right ahead and believe Jews are evil incarnate and responsible for all the world’s problems.

                  I don’t have to prove anything, I’m not the one promoting hatred of an entire race based on insane Hitlerian drivel.

                  • Smokey:

                    I ask you to prove his post is not true. You cant, can you?

                    Attack the messenger, again, Smokey?

        • And the same court system forcing all Americans to buy the insurance ‘they’ want you to buy.

      41. Bundy’s daughter

        This is a post from his daughter:

        Here’s a statement made by the daughter of Cliven Bundy! It will help you get what’s going on!
        At least it should!
        ” Words from Shiree Bundy Cox:
        I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the indangered species card. You’ve already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying,” how sad, but what does this have to do with me?” Well, I’ll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it’s Utah’s turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.
        Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
        Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

      42. This whole event is about money, on both sides, and both sides do not seem to care if any one is injured or killed as long as one side wins the money issue.

        Using the Constitution to cover up an issue of greed is repulsive, and deceptive.

        The Govt. ignoring the Constitution is just as repulsive.

        As the Bible says.. The LUST of money is the root of all evil.

      43. It is interesting how the federal government spares no expense to negate states rights. That man should be paying grazing fees to his state. The money would stay in and be used for the welfare of the people of the state.
        We need to bring back state rights. It may be too late. The federal government has spent the last 100 years putting the states under the yoke of their power using many 3 letter agencies to strip the states of their original constitutional rights.
        There should be no federal land. It will be mismanaged as that’s the only way the federal government can manage anything.

      44. I think we have all said how we feel about what is going on with Mr. Bundy.

        NOW IS THE TIME TO PRAY FOR HIM, HIS FAMILY , AND THE FOLKS GOING THERE TO BACK HIM UP! Time to pray for BLM also, so they may see the light and do the right thing.

        I fear for our nation. I fear a Civil War/Revolution. This whole thing hurts my heart, but Gods will be done.

        I Pray that we will return this nation back to what it was when it was founded!

        GOD BE WITH US! Or what ever you put your faith in!

        • Sarge,,
          The problem is that the BLM in their minds are doing the right thing,,,

          I pray that the whole thing blows up into the biggest bloodiest revolt that results in the removal of the criminal element that has hijacked our government and restore our freedom, freedom of movement, true free enterprise, freedom of religion, freedom of speech,,
          and removes the millions of federal employees who produce nothing but suck up trillions of dollars that the rest of us have had to work our asses off for.

          The Lord is my shepard I shall not want,,,,,,

          • Kula:
            My fear is that they will do a false flag on the Bundys, and this will turn into a blood bath. Like I said Let Gods will be done!

            • Thats all we can ask for Sarge,,

        • Do you mean the America where all of us here use to bury our heads in the sand and just let it get this bad. I never paid attention to things much less spoke out about anything. I do not want to go back to that! This country was founded on a few people taking the lead and leading. That is what is happening even today, you just do not like what the few leaders are doing. If we show them we are awake, sticking together and care, WE can change things.

      45. Like I have warning everybody for the past several days, big earthquake in New Guniea. Comment 3000808 on April 9 at 6:30 PM, 16 Sign Americans…… article was the most recent warning of the Australian plate, especiallly New guinea getgting hit with a 7+ earthquake. This was a 7.3 or 7.4 depending on the seismic site. Earlier the estimate magnitude was between 6.8 and 7.9. This was too obvious as the precursor earthquakes pointed directed to this area, especially New Guinea. This shows again that major earthquakes can definitely be predicted based on the past records of these precursor earthquakes.

      46. Off Topic…

        Consumer alert: GMO LABELING TO BE OUTLAWED by ‘Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act’ introduced today in Congress

        “A proposed new federal law … would OUTLAW state-enacted GMO labeling laws. The new law, ridiculously called the Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act, is actually an last-ditch, desperate effort by the biotech industry and the GMA to forever bury the truth about GMOs so that consumers don’t know they’re eating poison.”

        “the FDA and USDA have already decided, against all scientific evidence, that GMOs are “safe” and “not materially different” from other foods…”

        “In truth, this new bill, if passed into law, would allow food companies to permanently and insidiously hide GMOs in all their products forever, nullifying the numerous state-based GMO labeling laws which are on the verge of passing.”

        Natural News

        • Well, it’s time to grow your own, get involved in a co-op, etc. Hunt, fish, raise quail (not illegal like chickens are in some areas). I don’t understand why anyone thinks this is a good idea other than the chemists they call food producers these days.

        • Only in America do they outlaw the people being able to know what is in their food,
          Only in America do they allow GMOs unfettered in the food supply,,
          This is about big money folks,, The US government no longer is accountable to We The People,,,
          there is no voting this out, no lobbying your congressional representatives, They are ALL corrupt or negated by those who are corrupt and have changed the rules around so that any who oppose the leadership are negated..

          • Want the REAL story on GMO laden foods? Go to nomorefakenews dot com. Rappaport has NO ADVERTISERS TO FEAR so he can tell you the truth about Monsanto, GMO’s, Big Pharma, and government crooks. You can get aalmost daily e-mails from him free…..

            Articles you will NEVER find on blogs dependent on ADVERTISEMENTS.

        • Ky MOM–it really doesn’t matter–the producers and manufacturers lie, so what is the deal?
          I’ve read even organic isn’t organic–lies, lies, everybody lies….or something like that.
          Old song.

      47. just a little distraction from the world of sciemce

        things that make you say “oh crap”

        Dino-Killing Asteroid Impact Dwarfed by Earlier Space Rock Crash


        “Scientists have reconstructed a long-ago asteroid impact that makes the strike that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago look like a playful chuck on the chin.

        The enormous collision occurred 3.26 billion years ago and involved an asteroid 23 to 36 miles (37 to 58 kilometers) across — four to six times wider than the dino-killing space rock. The impact created a crater about 300 miles (500 km) wide and generated seismic waves far more powerful than those produced by any earthquake in recorded history, researchers said.”

      48. I support those whose stand against tyranny no matter where they stand.Will keep a close eye on what happens in Nevada today.
        BI-thanks for the earthquake update. You were correct once again.
        Volcanoes, fires, floods,earthquakes, comets, commies and Obama! So many threats everywhere I look. We do live in interesting times.

        • Mostly listen to the guy reporting, weve all seen the other video on the access road to that range area, but what the reporter has to say is important if your following this, not much new coming out,

      49. Has anyone seen the movie “Hunger Games” we are living in the pre-movie time. Do you want your children/grandchildren to live in that world? We can still stop it by banning together now. Make the leaders tell us the truth about reality and lets all work together to get ourselves out of the trouble we are in. If and when they do tell us the truth, instead of trying to find someone to blame lets roll up our sleeves and get to work.

      50. I know that there is a ton of debate as to the legalities of this matter…and I don’t have enough background or legal knowledge to comment on that.

        What I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS THE 50 FT. “PENS” THAT WERE ERRECTED AS “FIRST AMMENDMENT AREAS”. Since when do we have to stay within designated areas to express our first amendment?!?!? This ALONE should have everyone pissed off…if you can’t see that they are crushing our God given rights and liberties, you never will.

        Our founding fathers are spinning in their graves…

      51. I have to notice that all the lists of people to contact about the Bundy travesty fail to list Feckless Hairy Reid. Why waste a call to that commie loser?

      52. People, please do a little research.

        You can go get involved about the 1st amendment zones, but don’t get involved in the land dispute.

        BLM manages Federal corporate land that predates the state of Nevada and Bundy’s family lease claim.

        Look into the “Ordinance” provision written into the Nevada Constitution. It outlaws slavery and says that all undistributed public lands would be retained by the Federal government and could never be taxed by the state of Nevada.

        The Nevada constitution also contains a “Paramount Allegiance” clause that proclaims the supremacy of the US gov over the state and that the state has no rights to secession.

        Western state constitutions are worded differently than the original 13 since they mostly were acquired by the federal government through treaties (generally) and didn’t become states until after the War of Secession. Texas is one exception, I think.

        This is not your Bunker Hill moment unless it is over free speech. It would seem like DK is right, as much as most here would hate to admit that.

        • I respectfully suggest you read Satoris comment

          Comment ID: 3003859

          I also suggest reading the info from this source


          There is a lot more to this than you know, there are issues of these people also being pushed off of their land that they DO OWN,,, not just the BLM land, I will find the links, was reading it last night and my jaw dropped and cant find the links now in my email.

          This is not about the cows or the turtles, it is about people being able to stay on their own land and not being forced to sell out because an adjoining land owner wants them out..

          I find it interesting how may people here are rooting for the government,

          THAT is more eyeopening than anything going on in the desert of southeastern NV

          • Kula, those rooting for the gubermint, the oligarchy, the corporatocracy are the first to take to the FEMA camps. 🙂

          • Kulafarmer…Why would you think I’m rooting for the government? I’m the most anti-statist person you would meet.

            I hear those that claim violations of the Constitution all the time. Well, right there in Nevada’s Constitution it states who controls “public” land leases. Now if you want to claim constitutional land issues it’s all there. That’s all I’m saying. This was ratified by Nevada years before Bundy claims his lease was bought.

            I only think the leased land issue is a “non-issue”. The rest of the trouble, I don’t know about, other than the first amendment zones. If the land issue is a problem, the state constitution would need amendment. People just need to know what they are fighting against and not go rushing into things with the wrong information.

        • Here’s a statement made by the daughter of Cliven Bundy! It will help you get what’s going on!
          At least it should!
          ” Words from Shiree Bundy Cox:
          I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the indangered species card. You’ve already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying,” how sad, but what does this have to do with me?” Well, I’ll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it’s Utah’s turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.
          Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
          Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

      53. Rise up! Now is the time. I’ll be there. Damn it, just do it.

      54. Welp just finished listening to the Glenn Beck Radio show, Hoping for some update on Bundy roundup…Crickets..I have to Admit I missed the first few Minutes..

      55. December: Michelle Obama brings her friends for a 2-1/2 week vacation to Hawaii
        February: Michelle takes her friends and family for a 10 day vacation to Aspen
        March: Michelle takes a 7 day vacation with family to China
        April: Michelle gives a speech how we all need to make sacrifices.

        • AND this got more air time than Nevada and BLM takeover.

      56. Pat and Stu were on for Glenn Beck today. They seem to think it is Bundy’s fault for not paying his lease. Some callers schooled them, but did not change their tune. Big disappointment to me.

        • Beck has been a disappointment since he made fun of us who wanted a qualified, natural born citizen for president.

          • BECK also when still on Fox tv shows said that the CFR-FED Res banksters, and most all Other top leaders etc are ALL just good people trying to do a Good proper job in running america and keeping it all together as best as they can for just being fellow Humans like we are!

            He denined vhemently that any so called CFR or wall street banksters were “Kommies”!….

            When Beck had that older guy on who wrote the book on fed res “Jekel Island” I think its called?…Cant recall guys name now? Maybe its ED griffen???

            Beck made him keep waiting to speak out…When beck Finally let him explain the fed res scams etc…As soon as the guy began to Utter the word jewish banksters and jewish bolshevik kommies…BECK Imeadiatly halted the guy, cut fast to a commercial that lasted several Long minits…Then when show returned, instead of letting guy continue on, Beck started to take Live audience questions and beck picked some women that asked a stupid idiot question that had ZERO to do with what was being spoken of banksters and Bolshevik kommies etc!

            Beck also never did allow that guest guy to speak another word. Wish I can recall guys name now!…You ALL KNow who he is…Very Light almost white hair, close cut full beard, Website famous as bankster book writer guy etc.

            One could see how pissed off that guy became once Beck halted his talk abruptly as he did.

            Becks an A-1 Scam whos Paychecks are signed by swindlering zios. Even if beck Now pays himself a paycheck…His Major moneys arrive from zios and other swindlers. Hes More Pro israel and jew firster than most jews are!…Hes a Fanatic Lunatic scam artist.

            Better for all folks if beck goes Back to Radio Jocky early days when his big Shtick scam was every sunday hed dress in a huge yellow banana costume and go live at a Kmart parking Lot to attract listeners to his raido shows.

            Becks still no more than a professional scam swindler of the Inth degree….So is Alex jones. How folks aint aware as yet of this?….Baffles the mind eh.

        • Hi Texan:

          Beck had me fooled for a couple of years. I praised him, bought his books, etc.

          He is now making a living fooling wonderful, God fearing people.

          When he put MLK’s picture up with Washington’s, etc. it jolted me awake. MLK was a communist….do you really think Beck did not know that. Beck just wanted whatever black support and money he could squeeze out of that community too.

          I did see where someone posted that Hannity was supporting law enforcement on the Bundy issue. How long before it dawns on us USA firsters that he is a scammer also.

          Anyone who will not touch the israelie jew issue and their ownership of our government is a scammer and is dishonest to the bone.

          We all have to do our own research for the truth. If you are waiting for the jew owned media to fess up you will die of old age first.

          There is post after post, and link after link to guide you to the truth. I found it really hard to accept that I had bought into their lies; but find I am grateful to know the truth. NO MORE WONDERING. NO MORE TRYING TO SEPERATE FACT FROM FICTION.

          Look up biblestudysite dot com. You will find lots of answers to questions you might have. A great place to start. No PC there……

      57. Odd that both Oklahoma City bombing and the Waco siege happened on April 19.

        Odd that Eric Holder was involved in Ruby Ridge (PATCON).

        Also odd that Eric Holder was involved w/ the OK City bombing (PATCON.

        Dont want to forget Waco w/ the Senator Danforth hearings.

        There are no coincidences.

      58. You know how when you ride a big roller coaster and you hears the clicks of the chain get house and louder as you near the top…..I hear that ominous silence before the drop coming. Pop over to zerohedge and read the headlines for the last two days. And I loosely quote ” collapse of the dollar bad for America, but not nearly as devastating as a war with Russia and China”. Collapse may be “wussy in chief’s” only option.

        May God bless us all

      59. This is rich. The BLM has been in court for over 20 years on this ‘matter.’ But here’s the kicker — the BLM is out there, not to collect grazing fees, but to stand in defense of an endangered tortoise! That’s no shit! There are 900 head of cattle on Bundy’s ranch. He grazes them on hundreds of thousands of acres, and has been doing so for over 100 years. The numbers work out to about 893 acres per cow. Overcrowding!!

        The Environmentalists are completely behind this action. Look at some of the blogs elsewhere — it’s about saving turtles, not grazing rights.

        You know, turtle soup is not a bad thing…

        • Black Dog–it’s not what it seems//read on.
          It’s about mineral rights.

      60. I can’t verify this from Steve Quayle’s site, but this is for all you gubermint huggers.. 🙂

        THe BLM did the same thing to the OX Ranch in the California new York mountains…..I used to live near the Ivanpah valley and near the Molycorp mine….they had a big waste water pipe blow up and they sent in “the turtle lady” I got to know her and she said the desert tortoise was doing much better around the cows….good food partly digested…….her name was Patty……another bit of information that is just something to think about…..on the clean-up of the “radioactive waste” that cost them about 13 million…..I was invited to a BLM and molycorp meeting, at the end they ask if there were any questions…..I questioned why the people cleaning up the waste were storing it in 55 gallon drums right next to the three trailers they were living in ‘IF’ it was that dangerous…..typical answer was we will investigate the problem…..a couple days latter clean up was terminated(BLM is actually a sub-corporation of UNITED STATES INCORPORATED, a private foreign owned off-shore corporation since its last incorporation in 1925, copyrighted, trademarked and registered in Puerto Rico).
        Under the Reorganization Act of Washington District of Columbia, by it’s own private business charter, neither the BLM, nor any other federal/corporate agency has lawful/legal authority, jurisdiction or interstate nexus within the 50 state geographical landmass.

        BLM, is actually classified as an: “Agent of Foreign Principle”, under the intergovernmental Personnel Act.

        In other words, they don’t represent the Constitutional Republic or the interests of the American People but rather, a foreign owned principle i.e., the international banking/military corporate cartel of London City, England known as Crown Corporation as their supreme authority.

        • In other words, Agenda 21.

      61. while all eyes are on Nevada

        the world marches on
        and so does the flu

        Health officials concerned that deadly bird flu could soon pass easily between humans


        very nasty stuff

        “To give an idea of how deadly the avian flu virus is, scientists at one point stopped conducting research on H5N1 over concerns that in the wrong hands it could be used as a biological weapon by terrorists.”

      62. once again
        Bundy asserts in this article
        that he will pay grazing fees
        just to the “right person”
        Showdown on the range: Nevada rancher, feds face off over cattle grazing rights


        “”I love you people. And I love this land, and I love freedom and liberty,” Bundy told the crowd. “I know without doubt that our Constitution didn’t provide for anything like the federal government owning this land, and so when I pay my grazing fees — if I owe any grazing fees — I will sure pay it to the right landlord, and that will be to Clark County, Nevada.”

        and I find the whole endangered species land turtle thing quite amusing

        the FEDS are killing these things themselves !!!

        Government plans to euthanize hundreds of desert tortoises after budget cuts to refuge


        too bad Obama didn’t donate a little of his vacation money to keep the sanctuary open !

        and then again
        the gov is spending upwards of 3 million to steal Bundy’s cattle
        I wonder how long 3 mil would keep the sanctuary open ???

        • Mr Bundy claims the Constitution doesn’t provide for anything like the Federal government owning this land.

          Of course, the US Constitution doesn’t say that. What it DOES say is that all powers not specifically enumerated in the Constitution to the Federal government are left to the several states.

          Now go read Nevada’s constitution…specifically the “ordinance” clause. It cedes ALL these public lands to the Federal government. Nevada is not allowed to tax or collect fees on these lands. That is why they won’t take his fees. They have NO jurisdiction. This is why the sheriff won’t get involved on Bundy’s side.

          The Nevada constitution also contains a “Paramount Allegiance” clause that proclaims the supremacy of the US government over the state.

          Mr Bundy and his daughter should read their own state constitution before they make claims that aren’t true about land leases.

        • Satori–it’s like Benghazi–they couldn’t get their story straight before someone started mouthing to the press.

      63. Whoa–more news from the ‘other’ side:

        The government owns the rights to minerals both ON and UNDER land that is in its ownership.

        The list of minerals underground in the BLM area mines is impressive.
        Gypsum-anhydrite Mica (Muscovite) Magnesium Manganese Copper Beryllium Fluorine Lead Uranium Silica Nickel Andalusite Kyanite Sillmanite Feldspar Gold Silver Platinum Group Elements Zinc

        Uses of Sheet Mica While ground mica might sell for $300 per metric ton, sheet mica for specialty uses can sell for prices up to $2000 per kilogram. Mica has several properties that make it suitable for very special uses, and it is abundant in the Bunkerville area.


      64. Finally:
        The Arizona State Senate President Andy Biggs and the Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Dave Livingston are both in agreement that Arizona should be involved in supporting CSPOA and Oath Keepers in going to Bunkerville, Nevada. These two leaders of the Arizona Legislature have vowed to support the Cliven Bundy family. Additionally, State Senators Al Melvin, Chester Crandall, and Kelly Ward along with State Representatives Brenda Barton, Bob Thorpe, Kelly Townsend and Warren Peterson are all planning to be at the Bundy ranch by Sunday morning. All of these local government officials are planning to attend the Press Conference Monday afternoon with the CSPOA and Oath Keepers along with the Bundy’s and other sheriffs and public officials from across the country.

        • J J,,Thanks for the updates, I dont have time to keep track of this right now..This abuse of powers of blm and other law enforcement. While we learn more about what this is really about..

      65. Hey! wait a minute is that the spirit of John Wayne i see standing behind Mr. Bundy?! If he was here. That mountain of a man would probably be standing in front of those little boys in them official trucks and telling them to go back home to mamma.

      66. I love free speech zones! Thank God the government allows me to say what I want, as long as it’s at the right time, place and in the right manner, the way it ought to be.


      67. this area is blocked out big time the size of the grid is bigger than east coast counties , from west of overton to west of mesquite . suggest people go to mesquite because this is where all the BLM stazi will have to room and eat

        Im thinking most will be blocked from getting to Bunkersville by design.

        they dont want us to be able to surround them or be big enough in numbers to stop this

        people going out that way may need to be creative as to how they get close to the site

      68. EMAIL: Follow up with emailing all of the above entities, encourage your friends and family to do the same.

        Bureau Of Land Management Phone Number: (202) 208-3801
        Brian Sandoval Email Contact Form- http://gov.nv.gov/Contact/Governor/
        Brian Sandoval – Carson City Phone # – (775) 684-5670
        Brian Sandoval Las Vegas Phone # -(702) 486-2500
        Senator Dean Heller Contact Form – http://www.heller.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact-form
        Phone #’s For Heller – Reno: 775-686-5770/ Las Vegas: 702-388-6605/ Washington: 202-224-6244
        Sheriff Douglas Gillespi – (702) 828-3231 or (702) – 828 – 3111
        Email: [email protected]
        Steny Hoyer: Phone – (202)- 225-4131
        Steny Hoyer Email Contact Form – https://hoyer.house.gov/email-steny

      69. Ordinarily, I try to avoid posting links because it often turns into a war of the source’s expertise or position of authority and distracts people from analyzing the information and looking more into it, but I’m making an exception here.

        “The federal committee crafting the 2015 “Dietary Guidelines for Americans” features radical nutritionists who favor Americans moving to “plant-based” diets and a vice chair that laughs about sending Ronald McDonald to the guillotine.”

        Essentially in March 2014, the Committee is preparing to shift people’s diets towards plant-based diets during an era of ACA aka Obamacare Mandates, Mandated School lunches under Michelle Obama’s initiatives, and now a standoff between the Bundy Ranch and governmental agency.
        1). Property rights that includes ownership of individual’s bodies.
        2). Land-Use aka management is placed under the central government through Agenda 21 derived environmental accounting an methodology underlined in scientific law to determining the cost/benefits of in determining land-use for sustainable development, which includes humanity as governmental capital and resources to be allocated at its discretion under Agenda 21.
        3). Anyone familiar with PlannedOpolis, Venus Project, and other promotions of stack’em and pack’em cities’ of the future derived by sustainable development land-use under the very agency putting Bundy Ranch effectively under seige and otherwise Urban Planning and Development and Maintenance and Zoning and Codex places meat an expansive and largely unaffordable commodity. Re-watch PlannedOpolis promotion, it discusses it.
        4). Then, there’s resources underneath the land from what I can gather.

      70. No check?? No paypal?

        Oath Keepers
        5130 S. Fort Apache Rd. Suite 215
        Las Vegas, NV 89148

        I have sent cash in birthday and Christmas cards(disguised) for 40 years and never lost a dollar. 😉

        • Be careful about that. Every card or envelope (that we have received in the last 4 years or so) that looks like it could have a cc or gift card or birthday card with $ in it always has a little tear in the top or flap just big enough to see what is inside. If you send that way, tape it shut six ways to Sunday….that works great and also add extra paper wrapped around whatever you put inside.


          • Thanks, PKLL..;-)

          • PKLL:

            Sent my sister money in a B/day card. Never got there. One postoffice employee told sis they had suspicions of who got to spend it but nothing ever happened to said employee.

            Wont be doing that again anytime soon……

            • I just donated to the oathkeepers via their website regarding this Nevada thing. They need food and water, etc. I would love to go (it’s not too far from me) but that is not possible. Money is the next best thing.


      71. Harry Reid….Harry Reid,
        Neil Kornze, Harrys former policy advisor.
        New Job… B.L.M. Chief.
        Purpose: Extort private lands for Development,Water, and Fracking “thats why the water” and other valuable mineral resources. And as of high noon 4/11/14 were winning!

      72. From Walt’s post above:

        Interview with Rep. Helen Chenoweth

        Helen knew what she was talking about. The BLM controls over 60% of all of the land within her home State of Idaho. The BLM controls over 70% of all land in Utah; and in the State of Nevada, the BLM controls over 76% of all land.

        Chenoweth was as much of a prophetess as she was an observer when she added, “Whatever [land] we have left. Right now in Idaho and I am sure all over the West, they are moving people and human activities off the land.”

        Helen was also correct when she noted that the Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA), which was adopted in 1976, stipulated that BLM had to go through the county sheriff for any action that required law enforcement. Nearly four decades later, the BLM (and virtually every other federal agency) totally and thoroughly ignores this requirement.

        We are finally having to confront Agenda 21–heck, the rich want our land, water, metals, and space if it gets to it.
        Oh, the bastards are stealing our sun too–chemtrails!

        • Jay-Jay:

          Was watching Puss N Boots last night…near the end, where the giant goose is chasing Puss and Egg guy trying to get back her stolen chick, there is a scene of the sky….and guess what….a chem trail apart from the other clouds….amazing. It’s quick, but we backed it up and sure as heck it’s there and totally obvious.

          Hubby was up late last night and went outside….(after heavy chem trail day) and said that the sky had a luminescent quality and was weirdly bright….kinda like a movie screen reflecting very low light….

          Not sure how people can not see that this is really happening….


      73. misguidedchildren.com/politics/2014/04/is-harry-reid-behind-the-actions-of-blm-in-nevada/18666

        Harry Reid is the former boss of Neil Kornze, the head of BLM.
        Conflict of interest or just plain evil??

        • PKLL–it is on most movies we watch.

      74. A main root cause of this is a consequence of operating in the vacuum of “supra constitution”, which is some bastardized version resulting from 200 years of corrupted manipulation by whomever it was. This is indeed a Constitutional question and one not addressed back when the feds arbitrarily moved the goalposts bit by bit like they always do. The trouble now is caused by each side following their own constitutional version whether it be the Original or the morphed one ordered by the executive banker puppet of the day. Time is short to sort this out, one way or another. A financial fuse has been lit in the east. Same root cause. We have much work to do for the big house is dirty and needs cleaning. Now it is, or never.

      75. What really needs to happen here is the feds need to encourage other ranchers in the area to graze cattle on this land then let the ranchers fight it out. Of course, if the feds did that, you sorry sacks of shit would cry foul, too. This land is not owned by this rancher and he has no right to it. This is the equivalent of somebody demanding use of your property for their business and refusing to pay for it. He is no better than any other moocher who wants something for nothing and you deluded morons are falling for it hook line and sinker. Also, it is interesting none of you armchair Rambos are rushing to the front line with your phallic symbols. I guess you are typical chickenshit hawks ready to fight to the last drop of somebody else’s blood.

        • The kicker is Bundy according to his daughters statement actually did pay the fees for a time. Then all of a sudden he decides that he found a loophole that he could use to avoid paying. Bundy is a Schemer,deadbeat,thief ,conman syster Who was getting something for nothing. He has fooled more folks than Obama has.

        • You do realize that all this land was the state of Nevada’s, not the federal government until the federal government stole it. The federal government has no constitutional authority to steal land from the states except for the building of forts, armories and the like I.A.W. the U.S. Constitution. The BLM has already run off the other 53 ranchers that were ranching in this area and Mr. Bundy is the only one left. Why are they doing this? Because Senator Harry Reid and his crooked son Cory have made a deal with China for China to build solar plants on this same land. Along with that the BLM has leased out a significant portion of other land stolen by the federal government to oil companies for fracking. Wake up and stop spewing garbage.

      76. The “contract” he has with them is two fold. The socialist insecurity number and domicile (citizenship).”Citizenship” is allegiance for protection and protection for allegiance. The socialist insecurity number is the voluntary gateway into their income tax scheme and is to covet thy neighbors goods through forced contributions. As long as people give their responsibility to others they will never walk in liberty. As long as people seek “free education”, “health care”, “retirement”,etc, at their neighbors expense they will be ruled by tyrants and tyrants will have an excuse to steal from others to give to you. There is a very good reason my Father sent Moses to lead them out of Egypt and then sent to us His son the only appointed King of kings and Lord of lords. He still leads people out of the “land of Egypt” to this very day.

        “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage”.

        Whoever one looks to for their source of protection, security, and authority to do the things they do is their god for ones lawgiver is their god. He came to set you free from the yoke of bondage and showed you how.

        Peace be with you.

      77. Maybe we ought to ask a dog when it is all going to implode???

        Have you ever heard that a dog ‘knows’ when an earthquake is about to hit?

        Have you ever heard that a dog can ‘sense’ when a tornado is stirring up, even twenty miles away?

        Do you remember hearing that, before the December tsunami struck Southeast Asia, dogs started running frantically away from the seashore, at breakneck speed?

        Do you know that dogs can detect cancer and other serious illnesses and danger of fire?

        Somehow they always know when they can ‘go for a ride’ before you even ask and how do those dogs and cats get home from hundreds of miles away?

        I’m a firm believer that animals – and especially dogs – have keen insights into the Truth.

        And you can’t tell me that dogs can’t sense a potentially terrible disaster well in advance.

        Simply said, a good ol’ hound dog just KNOWS when something isn’t right . . when impending doom is upon us . . .

      78. I went to the sale barn at Ash Flat Arkansas today and sold three head of cattle for $2400. Now my herd is reduced down to two head. A jersey angus cross milk cow and a very old moth eaten brindle cow. At the bull session we discussed the bundy debacle. everyone thought they would be happy to pay $1.35 per month per head grazing fees. Not one person voiced any support or sympathy for Bundy.

        • Which means that those in attending the sale in Ash Flat Arkansas either listened to your drivel or have not done their research on the subject.

          If the whole story was just about not paying fees most here would agree with you Old Guy, but there is a lot more to this story than that.

      79. You can subscribe to get email updates, or text messages at http://www.bit.do/bundy

      80. For those who are unfamiliar with U.S. history when unrolling barbed wire was invented around 1874 the largest land theft in American history took place. Ranchers bought as much as they could afford and just went out and unrolled fence over as much public property as they had wire. Anorgy of courthouse burning and records destruction ensued. Many of the large spread in the control of 3rd and 4th generation ranchers came into existence in this fashion. Ranching is an ancient profession and can add harmony and balance to human life or it can become distorted and warped by greed. Ranchers all along the Southern border participated in the land thefts as did many in Nevada. In consideration of this issue We The People demand to see original deeds and titles to all the lands laid claim by the ranchers. We The People demand to see actual original records from 1840 immediately prior to the change of hands from Mexico to America and through 1950 immediately after World War II. The ranchers are well known to post private property no trespassing signs on public property belonging to the American people and to chase people away AT GUNPOINT from land that does not belong to them. These folks need to be disabused of the feudal mentality they have developed with regard to public land and we need to abolish the practice of grazing on public lands.

      81. Its really hillarious when the same people who pushed the liberty denuded totalitarian police state we all now inhabit have the state apparatus turned on them. Bundy is a cheat and a swindler and he needs to go to prison for a long time with all of his friends. It is doubtful that his family obtained even the land they claim as private legally. Ranchers are well known to post Private Property No Trespassing signs on public property and chase citizens away at gunpoint. THE TIME HAS COME TO DISABUSE THEM OF ANY FEUDAL IDEAS THEY HAVE REGARDING PUBLIC PROPERTY. WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO ABOLISH THE PRACTICE OF ALLOWING GRAZING ON PUBLIC LANDS.

        • We also need to abolish the practice of allowing scum to reproduce like flies and demand the working people support their bastard ghetto children. Death to the EBT career moochers! 🙂

          • Your bigotry is an embarassment to us. You are undeserving of citizenship. I would personally round up you and your family and deport you to whatever place you came from originally you product of concentration of recessive traits due to inbreeding.

            Americas diversity is like Romes was, its greatest strength. We are all the people of the world. Some of us are able to draw on the wisdom, and knowledge of every culture of every nation. You aint slick. Your a reprehensible clown with no right to be here or reproduce. You should be bred out of the gene pool.

            • I AM CITZEN….YOU ARE A MORON.

              Oh….and Rome’s diversity was not its strength…it ended up helping its downfall. Rome’s initial strength was its homogeneous culture where the people had a common purpose. As they conquered other peoples and lands, those cultures diluted the very principles that allowed Rome to ascend to become the power it was.

              And sorry….but not all cultures are equal. And many cultures not only have absolutely NOTHING to offer, their culture itself is detrimental to the principles upon which this country was founded. Cultural diversity is a mantra of the left.

              And your comment, “Your (sic) a reprehensible clown with no right to be here or reproduce. You should be bred out of the gene pool.”, is something I would expect to hear from a Nazi. In fact….it was that very attitude upon which the Nazis based their Nuremberg Law. The Nazis were very big on eugenics you see.

              I must admit…..when situations like what has happened in Nevada take place, it’s fun to sit back and watch the government toadies come out of the woodwork.

          • Your bigotry is an embarassment to us. You are undeserving of citizenship. The lineage you represent should return to whatever place you came from originally it seems likely that they and y.o.u. are the product of concentration of recessive traits due to inbreeding.

            Americas diversity is like Romes was, its greatest strength. We are all the people of the world. Some of us are able to draw on the wisdom, and knowledge of every culture of every nation. You aint slick. Your a reprehensible bufoon and an embarassment to this nation and homo sapiens.

            • I am a citizen:

              Of where, Russia? You are a citizen of the environmental groups that are destroying Aamerica…..

      82. You will all find this very interesting —


        That’s a Temporary No-Fly Zone, right over Bundy’s ranch.

        No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).


      83. Back in the 1800,s many Greedy ranchers opposed the Homestead act. So they like bundy today simply decided to not recognize the Federal goverments authority. the hired thugs & killers to harass and drive the homesteaders & sheep men away. The most famous of these was a man Named Tom Horn. They also had their Straw Men file on the best 160 acre parcels mostly those that had water so nobody but them could graze the land. There where numerious range wars where So called cattlemens associations hired enforcers and accused homesteaders of rustling and lynched them without trials. My prediction is by the time this Is over Bundys cattle will not be grazing the range land for free. Bundy and some others will serve time in prison. The grazing rights need to be sold at public auction to the highest bidder on a yearly basis.As bad a we perceive the federal government to be. The fact is without the fed to keep them in check State & local goverments would be much worse. Look a all the Uncounstitional gun laws many states & citys enacted that where struck down by the supreme court. Granted the Supreme court got it wrong when they upheld the Obama Health Care. Part of the reason is the Justices Appointed where put in place by the liberal politicians that where elected. and they are elected because they keep their promise of bringing money from the public coffers back to those who voted for them. Our Republic Has turned into a Mob Rule Democracy.

      84. You can help, please call today.
        Clark County Sheriff’s Office
        301 Clark Avenue, 6th Floor
        Las Vegas, NV 89101
        (702) 671-5822
        Fax (702) 671-3658

        BLM Nevada State Office
        1340 Financial Blvd.,
        Reno, NV 89502
        Front Desk: 775-861-6400
        Fax: 775-861-6601
        Email: [email protected]

        State Director: Amy Lueders
        Associate State Director: Marci Todd
        Phone: 775-861-6590

        Deputy State Director, Natural Resource,
        Land & Planning
        Raul Morales
        Phone: 775-861-6464

        Deputy State Director, Minerals Management
        Gary Johnson
        Phone: 775-861-6576

        Deputy State Director, Support Services
        Bob Scruggs (Admin. Officer)
        Phone: 775-861-6644

        EEO Manager
        DeAnna Garrett
        Phone: 775-861-6584

        Office of Communications Chief
        Erica Haspiel-Szlosek
        Phone: 775-861-6586

        Great Basin Restoration Initiative Coordinator
        Linda Kelly Lynne
        Phone: 775-861-6400

        • Yeah help protect a thief and a cheat who makes millions of public land but refuses to pay for the privilege. He should be in prison and if you are this brainwashed and uninformed you shouldnt even be allowed to vote.

      85. JGibsonFollowRSS

        Cliven Bundy: right-wing extremist domestic terrorist lawbreaker


        The far right-wing extremists and their enablers are defending a far-right domestic terrorist lawbreaker by the name of Cliven Bundy, who is threatening a “range war” against the federal Government.

        The core of the dispute is Cliven Bundy’s ongoing claim to the right to graze his cattle on a sensitive piece of southern Nevada’s Mojave Desert known as Gold Butte. Bundy’s family had grazed cattle in the area for generations, but in 1993 Cliven Bundy stopped paying his fees on the land, claiming that the United States government was not the legitimate landlord.
        In 2013, a federal judge enjoined him from continuing to graze his cattle on the federal lands, an order he has studiously ignored. So this week, federal authorities moved into the area and began sweeping up Bundy’s trespassing cattle.

        Bundy threatened a “range war” if Bureau of Land Management agents took custody of his stock, calling them “cattle thieves.” But, initially at least, the threats appeared to fizzle as the roundup of Bundy’s cattle proceeded apace, accompanied by a heavy law enforcement presence at the scene, while Bundy sputtered helplessly on the sideline. On Sunday, another adult son, 37-year-old David Bundy, was arrested after getting into a confrontation with the federal officers; afterwards, Bundy and his compatriots described for reporters their alleged ordeal the hands of federal officers.

        BLM officials, meanwhile, defend the crackdown on Bundy’s activities by noting that he is the only rancher in the region who refuses to acknowledge or heed the federal permit system for grazing rights. “Cattle have been in trespass on public lands in southern Nevada for more than two decades. This is unfair to the thousands of other ranchers who graze livestock in compliance with federal laws and regulations throughout the West,” the BLM website noted.
        Nevada Progressive:
        It’s unfair to all the rest of us to allow one rancher to let his cattle trample upon the habitat of an endangered species (the desert tortoise). It’s especially unfair to let that rancher let his cattle run rampant and ruin land that belongs to all of us. And it’s particularly unfair to let this one rancher let his cattle run rampant when he’s refused to pay the fee that all area ranchers must pay to use that public land. (After all, the BLM has to maintain this land for everyone.)

        Hey, someone had to do it. And since hardly anyone else is discussing the real reasons for outrage regarding this Cliven Bundy “scandal”, we figured we might as well wade into this hot mess. So to recap, some G-O-TEA politicians are screaming at the BLM because the BLM is enforcing existing law. A rancher is willfully violating the law and encouraging armed rebellion against the federal government because he doesn’t like the law. And meanwhile, the land itself and the original inhabitants of this land are reeling because we’ve allowed the land to be mistreated by the likes of Bundy… While we threaten the climate that’s supposed to sustain this land.
        Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval and Sen. Dean Heller disagree with the Bureau of Land Management’s recent actions.
        “No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans,” Sandoval told FoxNews.com.

        Bureau of Land Management Kirsten Cannon told FoxNews.com that contracted agents on Saturday and Sunday rounded up 134 cattle along the 1,200-square-mile stretch of rangeland as a last resort. They used helicopters, vehicles and temporary pens.
        All of this is a reminder that the only good Bundy out there is Married… With Children’s Al Bundy and that Cliven Bundy is NOT a “hero,” but a traitor who’s actively harming America who should be in jail!!

        • Dont forget the regular posting of private property no trespassing signs on land that belongs to the public and then chasing citizens who have every right to be there off at gunpoint. The family likely did not aquire even the land they claim they own privately lawfully or honestly. Now is going to be any different? These are the guys in the black hats in the old western movies not the other way around and there sure arent any patriot heros here. Its really laughable when those who supported every step of the totalitarian police state we now inhabit have the state apparatus turned on them. So I guess its law and order and police and jail for some but not other folks huh?

        • You are a delusional government shill. Go back to your buddy Obama’s house and chill out.

      86. Rancher Cliven Bundy Speaks: “I Don’t Recognize Them Having Any Jurisdiction or Authority Over This Land” REALLY? That’s funny, I believe that they have JURISDICTION AND AUTHORITY over the entire UNITED STATES. It’s called judgement! In that I was one of a handful of people who has been standing in front of ABORTION clinics for the past 50 years, and the numbers of people trying to stop this has decreased dramatically over the years. I have literally lost my livelihood and live in a shelter at this moment because of my so called “criminal record”. If getting into fist fights with the cops because you are wanting to talk to someone and have them change their mind about murdering their unborn child, then I am guilty! Yes! I have been fighting this fight and my bones hurt every time the cops beat me. It hurts! But God almighty is my witness that I will die if I have to fighting this evil that has been committed on innocent unborn children. Where are the Christians? Where are the patriots? I have seen none. I have spent many nights alone in jails with unfriendly and sinful people and yet even these people treat me better than Christians and Patriots. I see anything like this happening as justice, the people deserve the government that God has placed over them. They have done it by letting them get away with murder and being accomplice to it, by not doing anything about it. You deserve what is happening and what will come to you. I see no one standing there with me in front of the abortion clinics where children are being slaughtered, but AHHHHH!!! God forbid that they kill COWS! Let’s bring the prostitute Alex Jones and let’s bring the so called militias! They are ready to die for COWS! GOD IS YOUR JUDGE AND WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU WILL BE YOUR JUDGEMENT! GOD DAMN YOU! AMERICA!

        • WoW! I said I would get off this Internet, and move away from the city earlier this month. But I have to say that seeing people like you restores my faith. My brother in Christ, I’m thinking you are the same young man I saw several years ago who had his teeth knocked out by the police at the gay rally over in San Francisco, I remember I asked a friend of mine if you were okay? She said that you were always at different rally’s always yelling at the top of your lungs at the abortion clinics. Do you still live in San Francisco? I remember her saying your name was Carlos. BTW You are so right, the devil has these people in an uproar, and he has his agents/puppets like the prostitute Alex Jones and his dummies who are willing to go into a violent confrontation over COWS? And most likely stolen land by some old rancher that is claiming all kind of things and for some crazy reason these nut cases are picking it as a fight worth dying for. Anyway makes me glad to see smart people on here for a change and not some dumb red neck who doesn’t have the capacity to think for himself. Keep up the good fight. I have been in prison too for the same thing. I was able to get in a few good licks on a few cops a couple times before they took me down. Stay strong and soak your dentures in water/codeine mix before confronting the pigs(helps with pain). Old trick I learned when knowing that I was going to be involved in a fist fight. Keep up the fight my brother! We are almost there! His coming is near.

          • Hey! Yeah! That was like 20 years ago. I still have denture problems to this day! It hurts! But it doesn’t matter. I have moved away from San Francisco, God told me to leave! He was fed up with it, it only awaits judgement. There is not one adult that he finds worthy to save in that area. He has taken his time because of the children, but I think that gap is about to close soon. Even the children that are being born are being taught to rebel against God and they are becoming increasingly evil even at a young age. I saw children while there as young as 10 at the time who were engaged in sinful acts and spoke with rebellion against God, with mouths filled with vile words and spite. I now live in Texas and I am being told by God that the only reason he hasn’t destroyed America is because of Texas. The Lone Star State has many people that are still serving the lord. Although in some bigger city’s that is being lost too! He has a big problem with the churchgoers that profess Christianity on Sundays, then forget all about it during the week. Anyway I have to go, I am in San Antonio and happy to say that we(two of us) have convinced several young ladies to not commit abortion this week and we are getting them help with an adoption agency and we are talking to them about the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ! Praise God! Thank You! For your service to our Lord Jesus Christ!

            • You are seriously mentally ill. Frankly you sound like one of those schizos the right wingers are always talking about.

              • Why? Because he thinks babies are more precious than a bunch effin cows? F U mother effer! Your the reason this nation is messed up. Citizen of hell!

      87. Harry Reid and the Chinese. Chinese want to put a wind farm on that land. Close our coal mines and force us to buy Chinese energy on confiscated land. The Chinese are even going to sell us our own wind!

      88. So good ‘ol Cliven says:

        “…We’re going to fight until we win this and get our public lands back…..”

        Uh dude, if they’re public? they’re not yours. And you just acknowledged as much.

      89. Oh yeah, one more thing Mr. Bundy, if you’re going to claim “historical ownership”, uh, then aren’t you trespassing on Indian land?

      90. CLIVEN BUNDY
        Mr. Bundy and his family have been ranching and Improving this Nevada land for more than 140 years before Nevada was even a state. When Nevada became a state The Constitution of the United States of America says the State of Nevada owns and controls Government lands in their boundaries. The Bundy family have been paying their Nevada State fees and are up to date with these fees.
        The Federal Government then creates the BLM to oversee States Government lands as a way for them to start stealing the mineral and land use rights and revenue from the States. The Bundy Family paid these fees until 1993, only stopped when the BLM started to remove all the ranchers off State land because of a bogus claim about the Desert Tortoise, BLM just killed between 1000 and 1500 Tortoises because there were too many. The BLM works under orders and mandates not the Law which allows people like Harry Reid the Senator from Nevada and his son to manipulate the BLM to remove all the ranchers from this BLM ran land. Harry and his son have been working with China to build a five Billion dollar solar power station on this land. As always if you want to see why things happen just [Follow the Money.]
        Bundy Family are the last ones to ranch this land because they were willing to stand up for their rights and defy illegal court orders. Why did the BLM bring such a large armed force to remove cattle from their land? This land is State of Nevada Land not the BLM land and the State fees have been paid. The BLM have been the thugs by pointing sniper rifles at peaceful demonstrators and knocking women to the ground from behind trying to start a violent confrontation. When this didn’t work The Clark County Sheriff the highest law enforcer in the County even above the federal government because the people vote him in office all the other state and federal law officers are appointed or hired. This Sheriff was able to tell the BLM thugs to leave his County, which has temporally slowed the BLM action and diminished their absolute power over BLM managed lands.
        The Federal Government has removed people from their rightful lands by using the endangered species act, national forest/ wilderness acts along with eminent domain to steal lawfully owned and legally used land from citizens for personal gain of people like Harry Reid . Where will the Fed thugs quite taking our lands and homes? When they take yours it will be too late to do anything about it. They have already created armies in all their agencies as displayed in Nevada by the BLM. Be thankful for people like Cliven Bundy who are peacefully ready to stand up for our rights against a corrupt government that wants to steal food from your plate.
        The main news media portrays Cliven Bundy as a radical when in fact he was just trying to keep the right to ranch land his family has used for 140 years. Family’s that love to eat beef steak needs to know it comes from a cow not the plastic wrapper in the local store.
        Have a great Day Grampy

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