Outrage Over Gun Free Zone: “The Very People Trained To Take Out Armed Attackers… Are Disarmed.”

by | Apr 3, 2014 | Headline News | 243 comments

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On Tuesday morning my good friend Ed Thomas and I sat down for breakfast at the local IHOP in Killeen, TX about 10 minutes from the entrance gates of the Fort Hood military base. Ed, who is one of the folks behind The Daily Sheeple news web site, is a retired Army veteran who spent nearly two years in the middle of it all while in Baghdad, Iraq. As is generally the case when Ed and I get together, we discussed a whole host of topics, one of which happened to be the 2009 Fort Hood shooting involving Nidal Hasan.

Not being a military man myself, I wasn’t quite clear on the inner workings of Fort Hood, a base at which Ed was stationed for quite some time and grew up around pretty much his whole life. I hit him with a barrage of questions surrounding the 2009 ordeal, and asked him how it was possible that a single lone gunman could kill 13 people and injure over 30 more, especially given that he was on a military base in the middle of Texas, a conceal-carry state.

His answer was simple.

“Fort Hood is a gun free zone, just like our schools.”

There are some 50,000 people stationed on the base at any given time (military and civilian), making Fort Hood essentially a small city packed into about 200,000 acres, which incidentally makes it the largest military base in the world. With that many people in one place, it becomes a numbers game. Eventually someone is going to snap, just like they do in the civilian world. And like many parts of the civilian world, the only people allowed to carry guns on base are personnel operating under the umbrella of the military police – who are the first responders for various incidents at the massive cantonment.

According to Ed, the military police face the same problem on this base as law enforcement officers face in any American city. When an active shooter is on the loose, they’re minutes away, giving the perpetrator vital time to execute his mission.

Wednesday morning I jumped on a plane heading back home. As soon as I landed and turned my phone back on, I had several texts from Ed.

“You’re not gonna’ believe this,” read one of them, “we were just talking about this YESTERDAY.”

“Active shooter on base. No real information at this time. Whole city is on lock-down.”

The incident is now becoming much more clear. What we know is that four people are dead and many others injured. The shooter was a non-combat service member. Perhaps the only good news was that the shooter took his own life, potentially preventing many more casualties.

Upon learning of the incident, I immediately thought back to Ed’s comment. Fort Hood is a “gun free zone,” and the incident itself was eerily reminiscent of other recent shootings at gun free zones like the Sandy Hook elementary school and the Century movie theater in Aurora, Colorado.

You rarely hear about mass shootings in places where guns can be legally carried. And often, when a shooter with mass killing on his mind enters one of these facilities, he is put down by a law abiding citizen. One example of this was when an active shooter had executed two parishioners in a parking lot at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs back in 2007. As the shooter entered the building looking for more victims, armed security guard Jeanne Assam drew her personally owned concealed weapon and took him down. The shooter, now injured and unable to move, put the gun to his head and killed himself.

Giving law abiding citizens and trained military members the ability to carry their weapons may not prevent every gun death, but they could certainly limit the number of victims. One person with a gun could have prevented the Aurora theater shooting or the Sandy hook massacre, and saved scores of lives in the process.

In the aftermath of yet another Fort Hood mass shooting, this very argument has become a hot topic of discussion today, especially across the social network sphere, much to the chagrin of those who have, once again, begun calling for a nationwide ban on firearms.

Chet Cannon, a host on MTV, showed his outrage over the incident and echoed the sentiments of many proponents of self defense and personal responsibility via his Twitter feed when he noted, “Trained military in a GunFreeZone rendered helpless, again.”

 

But not everyone agrees with Chet.

Shannon Watts, the founder of the gun control group “Moms Demand Action” believes that the solution isn’t allowing military service members to carry guns on base, but to disarm them.

 

Apparently, Ms. Watts is not aware that Fort Hood’s soldiers have already been disarmed.

Those in and around the base immediately lashed out and made the point that there are thousands of soldiers at Fort Hood who have been trained to deal with these kinds of threats, yet they were essentially handcuffed by the restrictions.

CJ Grisham was on base while the incident unfolded and he voiced his frustrations online during the lock-down and shelter-in-place order:

I can’t help but get pissed off when there is an active shooter on a MILITARY BASE and Soldiers are told to “shelter in place.” It’s so antithetical to what we do for a living. The response should be, “find the bastard and mow him down!”

His frustrations boiled down to one simple argument:


We will no doubt hear renewed calls from the anti-gun crowd in coming days and weeks demanding that the President take action to curb gun violence.

The problem is that there are over 300  million guns in America, and perhaps billions more worldwide.

It is simply not possible to put the genie back in the bottle. You can outlaw guns in America today and seize every weapon from law abiding citizens. But that will not solve the problem.

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Those who want to do harm to others will find a way. They could, for example, purchase ATF-provided weapons directly from drug cartels operating out of central America. They will happily send their wares into the United States for a profit. In fact, illegal weapons suppliers may well be helping to lobby Congress for gun bans just so they can expand their trade.

Gun bans, as is evident with this most recent Fort Hood shooting, will not work.

Twenty people were killed or wounded in Fort Hood yesterday.

Had just one of those people had a firearm then maybe most or all of those deaths and injuries could have been prevented.

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    243 Comments

    1. JJsan

      Gun Free Zones should be renamed “kill Zones”…..

      • admin

        Absolutely right… They’re big billboards letting people know where they can commit violent crimes with no ramifications.

        • Ghostrighter

          Can we all get pissed off now with this Gov’t bullshit?

          • The Stig's American Cousin

            Imagine if you will that all law-abiding Americans were required to carry a firearm. People would be more polite and less likely to be dishonest. Violent crime would lessen to a great extent. Public discourse would become much more civil, and would focus more on ideas rather than political name-calling and maneuvering.

            Why?

            I bet you can guess why.

            The assholes that are in charge right now would immediately realize that freedom comes with responsibility. As in, your body is responsible for what comes out of your mouth.

            Is there a reason that the animal rights protesters have never thrown animal blood or paint on someone outside a gun club. No, they do it where they know there will be no armed people. If all law-abiding people were armed, this kind of thing wouldn’t happen.

            It would be interesting to see how that would play out.

            As for the troops, my prayers are with you, your loved ones, and our country.

            H.A.N.D.

            • yourmotherwaswrong

              Maybe the time has come for the American people to take the guns away from the government and it’s enforcement agencies: The Military and Police.

              It seems like a prudent course of action to me.

              • OutWest

                Obama executive order:

                If we didn’t need guns in Benghazi,
                then we don’t need guns at Ft. Hood.

                • RickInOregon

                  The government does’t want our military armed when on the homeland and it’s not hard to figure out why and it’s not for our safety, it’s for their security.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  You can’t separate the government from the military!

                  They are the same thing!!

                  If the “government” disarms it’s “military,” just who do you think the “government” is going to call upon to defend government?

                  Local cops???

                  One could only hope.

                • laeagle.

                  To those who lost loved ones at Ft. Hood, we in Louisiana mourn with you and send our condolences to you. We will never be able to answer the many ‘why’s that come to mind. May this bring us together as a nation. We thank all the heroes who are bravely serving our country to protect their countrymen. May God bless and protect each and everyone of you.

                • Be informed

                  Gun free zones make me so angry. I equate a gun free zone the same as someone not even being aloowed to use their fists to defend themselves like that total hellhole called Greece. Manos told us all about a total police state in Greece. Pacifists have the right to be pill bugs and roll up and stick their thumb in their mouths. A pacifist NEVER has the right to tell someone else that they can’t defend themselves, NEVER. Logic is totally absent from anyone that favors these gun free zones.

                  Again and again, innocent people have to squirrel around and get out of the way of flying projectiles and not have the right to defend themselves against this. That Sucks. It is is so unfair. Now I have pissed myself off at how f’en stupid these anti-gunners are. Thank goodness I live in a free area, the few left in this country, THE WORLD, that still respects the right for a human, a life form, to defend themselves against harm.

                • BJ

                  And this comes as a shocker? This should be a DUH moment!

                • clint

                  When is congress going to take action? You stupid women and I mean stupid. When you take more and more freedoms and rights away things will only get worse and when people know they are slaves, in mass they will break free and out of bondage when the chance is open. God these people really do rely on the Government for everything and can’t think for themselves. That is so obvious its sick

              • billybob

                Maybe all bankers, politicians, corporation heads, judges should be arrested and tried for treason, all the way from the state local level to the top.

                • sixpack

                  Don’t forget that many/most of those people are ARMED themselves. They too, need to be disarmed. Maybe then those that make legal decisions, can make more rational legal decisions in the future.

            • Anonymous

              “Animal rights protestors”/ What the fuck does this have to do with it? Animals rights protestors DON’T BELIEVE IN SKINNING COWS ALIVE– which often happens in slaughterwhouses, when the stun guns don’t go off… and ANIMAL PROTESTORS DON’T BELIEVE ITS OK TO SHAKE LITTLE BEATTLE DOGS VIOLENTLY bacause they are whimpering to get down (the DON’T LIKE being experimented on!) Would you like it everyone allowed you to be skinned alive or shaken violently because you didn’t like being experimented on, or beaten violently in the head because you were whimpering to get down? WHAT A FUCKING IMBECILE YOU ARE!

              • mark

                You are an idiot if you really think cows are skinned alive in slaughter houses. And by the way what is your shoes, belt, and purse made of. Some people born and raised in cities don’t have a clue about animals.

                • sixpack

                  There are videos of chickens being scalded while obviously still alive and awake. I’ve seen videos that made me sick, cows getting their throats cut while they were still struggling on the hook. It is common knowledge of the videos where minks and other fur-bearing animals were indeed SKINNED ALIVE and their writhing bodies thrown in a pile.

                  I STILL have nightmares from a video I once saw, where animals were being loaded into an incinerator with a skip loader—the camera zoomed in on one animal, skinless and bloody as it raised it’s head, trying to escape the pile. If that doesn’t sicken you, I don’t know what to say to you.

                  I was raised on a farm, where we routinely slaughtered animals. WE NEVER ALLOWED THEM TO SUFFER FOR ONE SECOND LONGER THAN THEY HAD TO. We took no pleasure in what we had to do.

                  We never eviscerated living animals.

                  We never skinned animals alive or scalded live chickens.

                  We cut the throats on deers AFTER they were shot and dead to let them bleed out…NEVER without killing them first.

                  I always kill my fish BEFORE I gut it. I don’t need to gut it alive, so I simply don’t. The fish tastes just the same.

                  Yes, we need SOME animal products, but DO NOT CONFUSE THAT NEED, WITH THE UNNECESSARY TORTURING OF LIVING THINGS. The two do not go hand in hand.

              • Anonymous

                Hey Anonymous, evidently you have never been around livestock or ” BEEF “. I have, I was raised around cattle, both milk cows and beef. I worked in a packing house in the beef kill for a number of years and I can garentee ( I can’t spell either ) you or anybody else would be able to skin a beef while it was still alive. I could tell more, but you wouldn’t believe me.

                • Rich

                  How in the Hell did this thread get hijacked into a PETA debate? And why would all of you seasoned commenters get suckered into such an obvious ploy from a commenter by the name of anonymous! Mac I use to really glean an insightful nugget or two in your comment sections, but man this back and forth shit between regular people and these obvious trolls is disheartening to say the least(:-(

                • Anonymous

                  THANK YOU SIXPACK!!! Finally, SOMEONE with a conscience!

              • Swinging on a star

                Anonymous,

                While I do believe your comments are a bit personal and perhaps over the top, I have to agree with your concern for the horrible treatment of so many animals. Unfortunately we live in a world that is full of hypocrisy and blindness when it comes to the innocent, whether it be an animal or child. I share your horror and even your anger but we must remember to not misplace it. In a perfect world these atrocities would never occur. God speed.

                Proverbs 12:10

                Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.

                • Brane Frees

                  “ANIMAL PROTESTORS DON’T BELIEVE ITS OK TO SHAKE LITTLE BEATTLE DOGS VIOLENTLY”

                  Uh…. what’s a beattle dog?

                • Be informed

                  @ Swinging on a star. The main word is decency here with animals. I totally believe in hunting animals for food for a family. This is resource management and when done with humane means it keeps many herds from suffering horribly during harsh winters. Going over the limits and leaving nothing for someone else is rotten and why they have bag limits on game. Animals eat other animals. People eat aniamls. Pure torture of any living creature is evil. This is what the dark force, the devil, sadism is about, enjoying inflicting pain and misery on some innocent life.

                  PETA would have people starve to death while a big fat cow sits in a field. This is human abuse. They though say that when a cougar eats a rabbit, this is nature and perfectly OK. Then you have the German government that has recently allowed bestiality, the rape of animals by the sickest perverted demons on the planet. I don’t know what has happened to common sense and morality to the human species. Animals and people alike are screwed by the stupidest laws that there is. This all started a cascade affect when people started to put their middle finger up towards God. The masses have started to live and think like chimpanzees. Horse sense and fairness have been flushed down the toilet.

                • Swinging on a star

                  Be informed,

                  I absolutely agree with you, I also know that there are extremists everywhere. While I would champion the right to mercy and dignity for any animal, I would not necessarily agree with the views of a PETA extremist.

                  We do live in a perverted and bizarre world that seems to be getting worse every day, all I can do is pray for the innocent and live my life the way I believe God intended. Thanks for the post.

                • buttcrackofdoom

                  maybe he meant BEATEN dog…yeah, that’s it….no, wait, he meant BELITTLED dog…?? yes, that’s what he meant! the poor little belittled doggie.

                • Beulla

                  I bet Anon thinks Kermit Gosnell is a doctor.

              • Archivist

                I guess it’s okay for PETA to kill almost every animal they can get their hands on and throw them in the garbage like they were worthless.

                • sixpack

                  I simply don’t believe in killing anything you don’t absolutely need to, and it must be done as quickly and humanely as possible. If that means you spend .06 for a bullet, then you spend .06 to avoid the suffering. Period.

            • JJsan

              Bring back dueling….. That would force people to be nice. If you are an @$$hole, how many times would you hear “zzzzz” fly by your head with a dueling pistol before you realize that you just can’t be an ass to everyone if you wanna see your grand old age and live a long healthy life and that there are penalties in life for being a jerk…….

              Just saying,
              JJsan

              • mark

                I agree an armed society is a polite society.

              • Go Fot It

                It worked in feudal Japan.

                • Kulafarmer

                  20 paces with ninja stars!

              • Babycatcher55

                We call it “cleansing the gene pool” at our house

            • DaisyK

              To American Cousin,

              It used to be (about 1776) that all men were required to keep a firearm.

              One of the candidates for Wyo Governor, Taylor Haynes, wants to instate that as a principal for Wyoming. He said so at a Town Hall in Basin last week.

              My opinion is that these crazy shooting events are caused mostly by drugs — Marijuana and anti-depressants. Look at all the shooters and notice that almost all of them were potheads or taking dangerous prescription meds. It will be worse with Obamacare. Now they will be prescribing these drugs to people who previously couldn’t afford them.

              • mark

                I agree most of these shooters are on some kind of prescription drug. Marijuana is not the culprit though, all those guys are sitting around with the munchies not bothering anyone. LOL

                • DollarstoDonuts

                  I can’t believe it is still illegal! All the people I’ve ever seen use it were the most laid back happy people you could ever meet! If I could stand it I could use some right now because all this stuff and hubs losing his job has really got me down.

                • Rich

                  Mac
                  Perfect example, above was the great PETA debate, now it’s the great marijuana debate! Not one to complain, but quite honestly this is really getting embarrassing. So a newcomer to your site here from say sgtreport wants to learn a few things regarding “gunfree zones”, takes 15 minutes to peruse your comment section, leaves here knowing that beattle dogs get beaten and marijuana makes people violent killers? Wow!justWow!
                  Keep feeding the trolls you “insightful”, “experienced” commenters.

              • AZClimber

                The only crazy shootings that involve MJ are the ones DIRECTLY caused by the prohibition of the substance. The cartels lobby Congress to keep existing laws in place.

                • DaisyK

                  The only people I have ever known who used marijuana were criminals. Maybe because they had to associate with criminals to buy it.

                  Nevertheless, the two people who assaulted me in Thermopolis and tried to steal my dog were potheads. They were definately crazy.

                • sixpack

                  No Daisy. The reason that the people you think you know who use marijuana are “criminals” is because it is illegal to use pot. Let me ask you this—how many of those “criminals” who use pot have convictions for any violent crimes or other crimes against people pr property?

                  How many are ONLY criminals, because they got caught smoking pot?

                • DaisyK

                  Those two people who attacked me were criminals. Not only assault on me, but had convictions for other assaults, DUI, and drug convictions.

              • DaisyK

                To my knowledge I have never gotten so many thumbs down. Most people here seem to agree that some of these shootings are related to prescription drugs, so it must be that a lot of people here support marajuana use.

                I wonder what these people are going to do when the SHTF. I have read that growing pot takes tremendous amounts of water and power. In fact, I recently read that NINE PERCENT of the electricity used in the US is for pot growing. Water and fuel are probably going to be even more scarce than food in most parts of the country, so those pot smokers are going to be SOL. Maybe you guys better forget about beans, bullets and bandaids and stock up on the things you think are important instead. What kind of shelf-life does pot have?

                • Beulla

                  You’re full of it on the subject of pot, DK. BTW, pot is not a “gateway” drug. That’s nonsense. Exponentially more people die because of alcohol and tobacco.

                • The Stig's American Cousin

                  Hey Daisy,

                  I was just pointing out that some protesters actually assault people that they do not agree with, and I used the first example that came to mind.

                  Some idiot cannot separate an example of a certain situation from the cause that the situation arises from. It really is pathetic that my comment got switched and twisted to an animal rights debate.

          • Man on the inside

            Bide your time Ghostrighter … things are beginning to brew and people … regular people (not prepers) have had enough. I have had one join our team after his family got their “Obama care bill”. Soon…. Very soon people are going to start reacting to this madness. Most won’t but enough will. PRAY, PLAN, PREP, FORM TEAMS.

            • maddog

              I hope your right MOTI. I have yet to see a liberal open its eyes. The liberal brain does not function properly. It is twisted in so many fucked up directions normal thought is not possible.

                • wrong

                  maddog

                  That was just the most nasty thing I’ve seen in a long time. A human pig. Gross. I could hardly watch 20 seconds of that.

                  Bang!

                • mark

                  Don’t worry, when the SHTF she will be one of the first to go.

                • Hillbilly

                  Well maddog at least she said she doesn’t want to reproduce!

                • Daytona Matt

                  Thanks for that Maddog, she’s a hottie! I’m just thinking how I’d like to solve all of this drones problems for her. I tried to watch but, all I could manage was just under three min. Who breeds these things???? She’s a poster “child” for birth control!!
                  Standing ready in Daytona

                • slingshot

                  That was a talking Warthog.

                  Now imagine about 2 million of them.

                • Unreconstructed Southron

                  Mac, you should force maddog to post a graphic warning before ever posting a link like that again. I just threw up all over a new shirt and pants and three people near me.

                • the renegade braveheart

                  Maddog, I managed to get thru 5 min. of the video and that was a bitch. With her way of thinking, she’ll be the first to go when the balloon goes up. The way she talks she deserves to die.

                • Jim in Va.

                  She is worthless to society. a moocher,user,taker.

                • t-zulu

                  Def an Obama voter!

                • Ancient Echoes

                  Makes me want to run out and get a second job so I can pay more taxes! NOT What are her parents like I wonder?

              • OutWest

                It must really be something to see,

                50,000 military personnel hitting

                the deck all at once after the first

                shot is fired.

                That would probably make Ripley’s

                Believe It or Not.

                • Faith of the fallen

                  I have a very simple solution to this, require all NCO’s to carry sidearms on base. I will agree that not every soldier needs to carry on base. I probably didn’t need to carry a sidearm when I was a 18yo private. My idea of down time back then was drink and chase poonanny. But after I went through scout school and I was trained thoroughly, I should’ve been allowed to carry. The thing is the government can trust me with AT-4’s and M-2 50 cals while riding through hell or sweeping complexes with M-4’s and berettas, but can’t touch them on base.

                • Beulla

                  I’m still trying to get my head around the idea of having to call the police to a military base.

              • Mountain Trekker

                Maddog I tend to agree. If they only wake up when someone slaps them up side the head are they really one of us. Do they recognize Obama is a Socialist, only after their health insurance goes up. I’m afraid people like that can never be counted on! Trekker Out.

                • sixpack

                  After every FLIP, comes the inevitable FLOP.

          • Calgacus

            Ghostrighter said Can we all get pissed off now with this Gov’t bullshit?

            Of course we can and we are pissed off. The big problem is that we cant do shit about any of it. The state laws are written and some are passed and then signed off by a governor. If the residents of the state reject the law they go for a referendum to put it to a vote. But no matter what the people want or believe. We have a country going communist by design and if it isnt Eric Holder doing a federal proclamation or Obama doing some exec order, then its judges who make court decisions on the commie belief system they are trying to ruin America with. They are all activists and they are out to destroy the US Constitution piece by piece.
            They are really shoving the rights issues down our throats. Pay close attention to all of this stuff because its obvious. Gun rights versus gun control and thats despite the majority. Gay rights trump the majority rights. Gays get married now even though every state that was put to a vote gave it a big NO vote. They want the rights of a tiny group of fags or trannys to be more important that the rights of 98% of Americans. Illegals have rights that are more important than our rights.
            Slowly but surely they are destroying the rights issues laid out in the Constitution one little rights-group at a time.
            The only way this will end is to destroy the beast of the government that was created and paid for by the working class.

            • hammerhead

              WEll said CAL , The only thing i would add is that our society is devolving and this allows governments to rule against the will of the people.
              In the seventies gangs roamed the city streets armed with knives and brass knuckles , guns were widely available , but they chose to fight.
              Now its all drive by shootings , anonomous killings while people walk by and sometimes walk over the injured.

              Nothing is shocking anymore , folks are numb and going dead inside with every swipe of their EBT card.
              Folks feel hopeless and helpless and give up and just put their hands out .
              This is not a healthy society , people need self worth and pride , something to believe in .

              Point is when folks stop caring , the government will take all the freedoms it wants with our freedoms .

              • Pissed Off Granny

                I would like to add that we should take a long hard look at the medications most of these “shooters” are found to be on. Seems not much information has been put out there about this subject. Can’t have the American people challenging ‘big pharma’ and their voodoo drugs.

                For an indepth look at the medication subject a good place to start is nomorefakenews dot com. Rappaport seems to be one of the few brave enough to even broach the subject.

                • DaisyK

                  Granny, I wish this website would let us give more than one thumbs up for a really good answer!

                • wrong

                  DaisyK

                  Because a hand typed note such as yours is more personal for Grany.

                  🙂

                • Ugly

                  They won’t blame any of the psychotic meds. The blame will be on the gun and whoever sold it….

                • the renegade braveheart

                  Howdy, Granny. I’d bet a dollar to a doughnut it’s the meds more than anything else.

                • Swinging on a star

                  Pissed Off Granny,

                  You are right, did you know that every school shooter to date had been on some sort of mind altering drugs? Kids are being prescribed behavior modifying drugs that were never intended for children, they are screwing up their brains permanently. Instead of taking away the guns from law abiding citizens and soldiers, how about taking away the unnecessary medicating of our children and the idiot adults.

                • IL mom

                  Welcome back pog. We’ve missed you and hope all is well!!

                • Jim in Va.

                  Too many troopers with mental problems, There are not enough professionals to take care of them,not enough time and the funds to treat these guys getting cut,and then they are not allowed to defend themselves.

                • sixpack

                  For some of the best info around, on prescription drugs and their hazards, try The Citizens Commission on Human Rights

                  cchr.org

              • clint

                That is totally true about society and different races are like dogs, many of us are not racist but too many people will always join their race, gender to a point just like animals in wild do. We are just trained humans to follow rules but our nature in wild or during hard and difficult times will show their true nature and colors when we are cornered or left with no hope or chance of anything as we see and hear people taking advantage of us right in front of our faces and even take them away which is a slap in the face more.

                We are betrayed by our own government for their own greed. Unfortunetly we are being punished and lied to like no other and we must avenge our rights. We must remember what our grandfathers fought for in the past for our own dreams and freedoms. We dont need anyone but ourselves. Today on rush they were talking with a guy named Ian from Florida. Rush said look at it with how a voter would react to parents discipline their children.
                He couldnt but I see it this way, if 2 parents are going to divorce and the child must chose which parents to go with and the mother not being sexist is the giver and gives the child allowance and everything, and the father makes the son work for his earnings and being responsible and self-reliance, the son will go with the mother who gives him anything he wants and thats how society is today. They dont want to try to make it on their own. They will vote for the free party even though it does more damage.

                Both parties do damage and this is not our job to try and help politicians get elected since I believe they are rigged and false votes which they allow, we must explain to people to tell government to go F themselves and be reliant as much as they can without them. We are close to a breaking point I believe in society. They are doing it so much ever faster and faster and its so obvious these fucking crooks are doing to us. To the people that think America cant collapse, just use common sense and look at how far we are in Debt and how we are fighting to keep federal money pumping into what programs to win their side is getting harder and harder for them, so that should tell you we are getting close to real problems.

                Obama and his crooks can do whatever they want because we will rise after this country goes down and fight for power and backstabbing will be the least of their worries if they keep this tune going.

                • clint

                  I also heard on a radio station that the shooters mother died and the base didnt want to give him leave to attend. Then they changed their tune and gave him 24 hours to go. I think if you would see your job is not a high importance like being deployed and you have some cock sucker officer who has a power trip would have some impact on this shooter and somewhat the medication but mainly that ok the government and everyone else can take time off, my teammates get time off and they are fucking us over and stealing our benefits and hearing what Obama is doing to this country and the changes forced to the military and now they wont let me see my dead mother would really tick me off regardless what drugs I would be on. I think that is why he snapped if its true. Just a thought.

            • maddog

              Don’t give up Calgacus. I agree with you completely. I try to push back everyday by not complying with as much as possible. I do not give any support at all. Pushing libtards to get the reset started is my favorite pastime now. John Gault was right. I’m on strike from society, join in and help push the reset.

              • Eyesopenanddisgusted

                The whole shooting is another hoax, proof of a Craigslist ad placed for drill at Fort Hood in detail.
                Nobody died, it’s more bullshit lies!

              • Calgacus

                Maddog, aint giving up at all, just pissed at having to spend so much energy to fight the good fight.

                Im like you, and actually been working hard to not comply as often as can be. I have a running list of so much to be pissed at its getting ridiculous. But its all come together pretty well lately and the picture is right there. The govt is so obvious only the low info voters dont see it. They are the useful idiots but in the end they are the first to drop. Wont bother me at all.

                There will be a revolution in our lifetime. No doubt about it. And its going to be my pleasure to watch the govt beast fail.

                Saw a headline on Drudge that insurance from businesses will go up $5,000 per employee this year. Didnt read the article and now the headline link is gone. If that happens, my company wont pay so when Im notified and lose my insurance, that’s my tipping point. No benefit, no more work. Ill kiss it goodbye and live out the rest of my life as best as possible like they did in the Depression. So we are in it for this long haul whatever that turns out to be. Ole Cal is tired of being played and screwed so the jig might be up real soon. Wont miss the job and well live on what we have and what we know. Right now, dandelions are greening up and creesy greens are clumped, both good for the vitamins and free for the gathering.

                So when we get stuck with the new pricetag to insure the useful idiots who aint even signed up for their free Medicaid through Obamacare, Cal quits the job and societys game. Got the wifes support on it too so now we do the waiting game. We can go off cash and live more on the land and hunker down.
                Greens are plentiful in the fields and the ground has warmed so were starting up the early garden. Were a month behind but thats global warming not our fault.
                Next up is the cabin. By the time we get that built, there might be no paycheck coming in. Got a spare pasture and got a small barn. The wife wants to get some goats for milk and cheese. We had goats before and they take time to care for but well go all-in off the land. Then well see how the govt can tax us for our homebound labor. They can stiff us for property taxes but all they can do is try to penalize us for not buying Obamacare. But when there aint an income, there aint no 1040. Its blood from the turnip time.
                So Maddog, Im soon to be on strike from societys expectations. Im in, friend. Come on reset.

                • maddog

                  Its amazing how some people think alike. My wife has been bugging me to pack up and move to the cabin in the mountains and leave the libtards to the toilet their creating. Hope we meet up when its time.

              • Kulafarmer

                Im with John Galt,
                On strike, just doing enough to get by and thats it and as it suits ME.
                Atlas is shrugging,
                The producers are slowly disappearing,

          • realGI

            teaLICKER!

          • Dan

            I call them, “Fish in a Barrel” zones.

            Also, let’s not forget the role that psychotropic drugs certainly played in this event.

        • Jasmine

          “making Fort Hood essentially a small city packed into about 200,000 acres, which incidentally makes it the largest military base in the world”

          Fort Bliss, TX 1,088,000 acres, 5X’s larger than Fort Hood, just saying.

          I Colorado Springs church shooting, “The shooter, now injured and unable to move, put the gun to his head and killed himself.” If he was unable to move how was he able to put the gun to his head and shoot himself?

          • Unreconstructed Southron

            Ask Bill or Hillary Clinton. Lot’s of their ‘friends’ could do amazing things like that.

            • The Stig's American Cousin

              Like shoot themselves in the back with a long gun?

              Or was that someone else?

              • Unreconstructed Southron

                One of the many.

              • Navy Vet

                or how about the banker who allegedly killed himself with a nail gun? Took him SEVEN tries with two in the back of the head, but it was ruled a suicide. Nothing to see here. Move along.

                • maddog

                  Normally I’d say you were lying but I read the same thing. Were you laughing as I was? Guess the low information voters (libtards) will believe anything. Man what a bad shot that guy was.

                • Unreconstructed Southron

                  Sometimes I think the assassins draw straws and make bets on who gets to come up with the next ‘suicide’ and how many people will believe it. It’s really just a sick, sick game and these sick bastards are laughing their butts off.

          • Ecliptic87

            I think he was going for personnel size, not acreage.

          • Me

            Guess what, it’s a military base. If 100 armed men came thru the front gate, massacre. ITS A MILITARY BASE!!!!

          • munchkin52

            Just look that up, Fort Bliss is approx. 1,700 square miles. Just saying.

          • Sierra Dave

            I’m halfway of the opinion they they are programmed to kill themselves after the attack. So the brainwashing won’t be discovered.

            • sixpack

              I read that somewhere too, and it makes perfect, tactical sense not to have any loose ends…or potential witnesses.

        • Npgh

          Glenn Beck was talking about this latest shooting this morning on his radio show. Here’s a tid-bit that I didn’t know…The reason Fort Hood and others are gun free zones are because of Bush senior and it’s not a law…get this…it’s a regulation! Un-freaking-believable! Daddy Bush thought this would be a good idea and it could have been reversed by Clinton and GW (they knew full well the “regulation” but did nothing to stop it. Now those poor folks are realizing the sad reality of others choices by not giving them a choice to defend themselves. I think it is another example of infantilizing our service members….in the same way they can’t shoot the enemies in Afghanastan. The rules of the game are stacked against them.

          Any way, Beck’s site might post the transcript from this morning. I’m not linking into the black hole of linkage…but check there to see if they posted the transcript from this morning.

          • Npgh

            Another thing but it’s slightly off topic. This guy was on meds. The media need to hammer this home before they make it all about guns (whether pro or against) These medicines (if you wanna call them that) are responsible for a lot of bad ju-ju. Here in Pittsburgh we had a woman kill one of her children be sitting on him in the bathtub full of water! The other child is alive but in critical care. She wasn’t sane and she was on meds.

            • Northern Reb

              npgh:
              To many psyc drugs and not enough psyc wards.
              Sometimes just not enogh love.(small childern).
              Some doctors hand out psyc drugs like there candy (just look at Hollywood) just to satisfiy there pateints. The same is true about anti- biotics.
              S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

              • Beulla

                Too many psychiatrists.

          • chow

            So you’re saying Obama didn’t know what GHW executive regulation but Clinton that actually impose it knows so as GW who didn’t do anything about it.

            It’s really amazing that Obama again got a pass from you and all the parasites (DemocRats) when Nidal Hassan shot up the same Fort Hood in 2009 and Ceasar Barackus Obamus was clearly the HNIC (Head N in charge).

            • Npgh

              @chow…I’m not saying anything but paraphrasing what I heared on Becks program today. Im sure Obama knows too but it’s not that Obama wouldnt want to change regulations set forth by daddy bush…he’s just too busy golfing. (Eyes rolling). By the way. ..dont call me or anybody else here a parasite….you’ll be run out of here faster than diarrhea from an asshole.

          • DaisyK

            npgh,
            It wasn’t bush. It was 1992. That was Clinton. Bush did a lot of fool things, but that wasn’t one of them.

            • DaisyK

              actually, you might be right. I can’t find it on the internet. They have been saying on Fox that it was Clinton in 1992, but now that I think of it, Clinton didn’t take office until 1993.

              I guess Fox News got something wrong, either the date or the president.

      • Ghostrighter

        When you take the guns away from law abiding people….they die from non-law abiding people. So what has our Gov’t forced us to now become?

        • sixpack

          Either dead law abiding people, or non-law abiding people… great choices, huh?

      • Mathchopper

        Why to we allow the best of the best to be murdered by laws coming from ED mentally disabled, non-vet Democrap libs?

        • Them Guys

          Day by day…Law by Law, AmeriKa’s being Kosherized.

          ZOGized and kosherized= kommunized.

      • YH

        JJsan,

        +1! Absolutely spot on correct!

      • Anonymous

        To Kula, if you’re here tonight– the article you asked about (Chris Hedges suing Obama)– just type in “Chris Hedges”. then when it comes up, click on the first link. His new article is called, “Fighting the Militarized State” (March 30, 2014).

        Pretty scary stuff– TPTB could get nasty!

        Also, just viewed again Mike Ruppert’s Vice videos. One of them he is talking about the Patriot Act and all that resulted from it– goes into details. He used to be a high rankin LA cop, confronted the CIA on drug smuggling, and is an EXCELLENT speaker!

        • Kulafarmer

          They pass all this crap with such ambiguous language in it that it could be interpreted in any fashion they want to suit their need at the moment,,,
          DC is broken, too many liars and too many lawyers, oh wait, same thing,
          NOMI

      • Go Fot It

        Have you ever noticed that you never see a sign saying that “this house contains no firearms” proudly displayed in the front yard. You never will either.

        • Beulla

          That guy who does all the expose journalism did a test by trying to get people to display such signs. No takers, even in liberal meccas.

      • Tom

        After Ft Hood #1, we sent product information to our Senator McCain about a less lethal option for the soldiers to carry in the event this happened again. Of course, no response because their rules are buried in stone.
        What this shooting simply shows us is what will happen if we are ever disarmed.

        Our product is perfect for this situation and we are now selling it to schools as a less lethal option.

        The product is the JPX Pepper Gun. It shoots hard and fast, but won’t kill. I would think that the gun haters would embrace something like this, but if it looks like a gun, they tend to run……

    2. braahaahaa

      Planetary devastation got very boring. I need to find something else.

      • braahaahaa

        I am getting lots of thumbs down. So they want me to stay with planetary devastation than. Very well.

    3. azam

      Its plain and simple case. There should be no gun free zones and law abiding citizens should be required to carry a gun. That’s all. Law abiding citizens can stop active shooters faster than police that’s a proven fact. Less people hurt and killed. Its commonsense people.

      • McFrolie

        Who determines what a “law abiding” citizen is? The .gov? You? If you speed in your car you are not law abiding. This is the BS that got us to this point. All free men should be aloud to carry. Just like the second amendment states.

        • sixpack

          Absolutely. And those who wrongfully use their weapon to harm another should be punished severely. So severely, that harming someone unjustly isn’t very attractive after all. I believe ALL non-violent people are protected by the second amendment.

          • Beulla

            There is nothing in the Constitution that allows convicted felons to be disarmed.

            • sixpack

              There sure isn’t, you’re right.

              The intent to disarm people who misused their tools, was to keep them from doing it again, which SOUNDS reasonable, since they’d already screwed up at least once and there was a risk that they might do it again.

              But to support the argument of not disarming felons, you’d have to agree that ALL crimes should no longer be held against a person once they’ve paid their debt to society, and their freedom has been restored.

              So, murderers, sex offenders and thieves (to name a few) would no longer be seen as murderers, sex offenders and thieves. They’d all have a clean record once they did their time.

              To be fair, either we give ALL “criminals” a second chance or none. We can’t pick and choose. So would you be prepared to declare that a child molester should be able to go to work in an elementary school, once he had done his time?

              If a man just got out of prison for shooting his entire family, would you be prepared to hand him his gun back? Really?

              These are questions we should be asking ourselves.

              When people are no longer persecuted for their crimes after they’ve done their time, THEN we might be able to have a meaningful discussion. Until then, we’re all just being hypocrites.

      • the renegade braveheart

        Azam, excellent point and let me carry that a bit further. according to certain federal and state supreme court rulings, law enforcement has no obligations to protect any citizens whatsoever. they don’t serve the public. they serve government. they risk their lives for government, not for the public. When we get into situations like home invasions, etc., we are on our own and we do have to fend for ourselves. We have to be our own first-responders. At night, I have a loaded .380 at my bedside, MY “first responder”. My other “first responder” is “Bertha”, 12GA. pump with 00 buckshot. I don’t waste any time dialing 911 while someone is trying to break in on me. I’ll just let the .380 or Bertha speak for me, then dial 911 and have them come clean up the mess.

        • sixpack

          as it should be.

    4. Piper Michael

      Excellent Mac.
      I have learned over many years, that those who reject the idea that only good guys with guns can stand up to bad guys with guns, aren’t listening to logic or reason. They listen only the song of emotion. I ask them why do we have cops, aka ‘good guys with guns’. They usually don’t want to hear anything but their own fear. So, I have learned to use fear…

      I slap my hands together as loudly as possible, then point the finger at them like a gun… and start counting… 1. 2. 3. 4. 5….

      “What! Why are you doing that?” They will ask…

      “I’m a bad guy. You, are dead. I’m now counting out the average 3 minutes it will take for the cops to get here and clean up the mess… If I was a good guy, the bad guy would be dead, not you…”

      It has worked on at least one person, as they said “Oh.. I think I see what you mean…”

      But then, I’m a callous asshole who is rooted totally in the reality matrix.

      • the renegade braveheart

        Piper Michael, welcome back and I must agree. too many people have been brainwashed into believing that self-defense against evil is a bad idea. they’ve been taught it’s best to just let the perpetrator have their own way with them because he came from a broken home, didn’t have any opportunities because of white racism, etc. ad nauseum. NEGRO PLEASE! Just more of the politically correct claptrap you hear from any libturd. Just like you, braveheart is a “callous asshole who is rooted totally in the reality matrix.” MOLON LABE braveheart

        • Piper Michael

          HI BH!

          Oh, I stop in every day to read, don’t have much time to talk, especially now. But, I do like to maintain friendships of good folks…

          Take care old friend… 😉

          PS: Looks like BI nailed that Chile quake…

          • California Girl

            People who are for gun control think that all guns would magically disappear from the streets so that shootings like this wouldn’t happen. Therefore, it wouldn’t matter how long it took the cops to respond since there wouldn’t be an incident to respond to, nor would there be any need for good guys to have guns.

            • California Girl

              And yes, I’m pro-guns. I’ve had this discussion with my liberal sister and her husband. Their big argument is where does it stop? Should it then be legal to carry hand grenades? Should freedom of firearms be allowed to escalate to making a nuclear bomb in your basement? The founding fathers could not foresee the types of weapons we have now. Where does it end? Etc. Not sure how they’ll feel once the need to defend their home arises after the SHTF.

              • Them Guys

                It Stops for your liberal relatives when they face danger and do as taught..IE: when they Kneel or Lay down on ground, and begin to do the “SNIVEL” dance untill bad guys whacks them dead.

                #1 Show emotional FEAR at first danger sign.

                #2 Kneel promptly

                #3 Beg, Plead and…SNIVEL Profusely!

                #4 Die a foolish braindead Liberal

    5. Harry

      When I was in the Corps (70’s) were not given BAYONETS because of fighting in the barracks ……. Have none of you ever served? Young, pumped up “dudes” ready to “go at it” over small irritations.

      • hammerhead

        No bayonet , But you still had your m16,right there on the pillow in bed with you .
        MEN used to fight , now in pussified libtard coddleville the grown up manchild chooses to shoot like a coward , when an ass kickin is called for. Sick pukes .

        Gun free zones were designed to allow this shit.

        • Harry

          Like I SAID ….. have NONE of you “heroes” ever SERVED?!
          Your weapons are LOCKED in the ARMORY ….. where the BAYONETS ARE. Good God.
          I hate neocnchickenhawks

        • chow

          That’s because Americans have no sense taught into them anymore not like in the old days since the DemocRats (parasites) became super majority. You can go to Guatemala or any third world country or even Switzerland and soldiers always have their weapons even while on leave but don’t kill each other even when they have what you call “over small irritations”.

          Why not allow the soldiers with issued concealed carry to carry or let the officers and senior NCO’s carry.

          • sixpack

            Why not teach people to control their tempers, instead of disarming them?

      • Northern Reb

        Harry:
        You are correct about those bayonets alot of that had to do with gangs and whites, blacks and hispanics fighting each other.
        If I remeber right and what I was told did not the Officers and high ranking NCO’s carry side arms if they choose too?
        S.T.S.F.P. N.R.N.S. N.REB

        • Northern Reb

          P.S. they were allowed to carry back in the 70’s and early 80’s I think

    6. Sgt. Dale

      Talk about STUPID!!!
      9-11 2001 Remember that?
      Our P.D. had to guard the US Army reserves/ National Guard ground because the General in charged would not arm the troops. They had around 60 guys there and they couldn’t carry a weapon. Our P.D. had to go to Retired Officers for AR 15’s, Mini 14’s and AK 47’s to arm the Officers to guard the reservation. We had three Officers there at a time. I’m not bragging but I had to show the two guys with me how to operate the AR’s they had. I had to stay over to show the other guys how to operate the AK’s and the Mini’s, they where using. Now I think they can show me how to use them. What a difference 13 years make. Talk about B.S.
      Just to let you guys know that there is a Nuke Plant about 5 miles away of the Guard Ground. They can’t carry weapons! (DUH)
      AIM SMAL;L MISS SMALL
      Sgt.

      • the renegade braveheart

        Good afternoon, Sgt. Dale. I have to agree. Military personnel on a military base can’t be armed. what is this nation coming to? Anyway, you and everyone else here know my position on self-defense and it bears repeating. anyone with bad intentions toward me that wants to hurt me in any way, shape, or form had better just forget about it because I will respond in my own self-defense and it won’t end well for you. I carry certain self-defense items in my truck with me everywhere I go since the Clinton era. I think I’m on lists going back that far, but don’t care. I believe in self-defense against evil and will not shy away from it. I don’t even care what anyone’s law says about it. MOLON LABE braveheart

        • Nopittypartyhere

          Back in the 80’s I was a teen and my grandmother taught me to check my tires with a truckers ‘tire bumper’. She told me to keep in under my car seat everywhere I went. I don’t remember what happened to it, but I moved up to a S&W .38 after my ‘boyfriend’ pulled his dads .357 on me and threatened me because he didn’t want me to go away to college. After a few stalker type phone calls, I ‘ran into him’ in a crowd. He hopped in the car, and being his nosey self he opened the glove box. I had it unloaded becuz I expected this. Told him if he f’d with me again I’d kill his ass. That did the trick. All girls should be taught safe and proper firearms use. It’s the great equalizer..

          • Sgt. Dale

            NO
            The old saying you can’t rape a 38!!
            I have also dated some 45’s. Lucky me! (Back in the 60’s and 70’s.) TMI
            If you have a daughter you should be teaching her. I taught my three girls how to shot. I wouldn’t want to be down range of any of them!
            Sgt.

            • Beulla

              Lynda Carter had to carry a .45 to protect her 38s.

    7. Thinker

      I’m thinken if they have so much faith in “Gun Free Zones” maybe the W.H. should be one!
      Teach by example??

      • The Stig's American Cousin

        Outstanding idea!

        Let the anti-2nd Amendment politicians put their money where their mouths are!

      • Sierra Dave

        If only some reporter got the guts to ask Obama to make the White House gun free. He’s end up looking like an elitest.

        • sixpack

          you’d think he’d be a hero to the anti-gunners, but the truth is, you’d dislike him too because they believe “authority” and “important people” should be protected.

    8. candle in the wind

      This is a tragedy and completely innocent folks again fall victims to evil actions. Praying for the families.

      These kind of gun restrictions are the height of hypocrisy. The irony in that law (which was an executive action by Clinton) makes me wonder how stupid can some people be. Why can’t they open their eyes and see the real world instead of imagining how things ought to be and pretending to see the world only in that fog vision.

      Does not the military have the right to bear arms?
      Oh. Only if we want them to protect us but not each other!

      Well if we are going to do that then:

      Let’s take the keys away from the truck drivers except when we need them to drive.

      Let’s take hammers away from carpenters except when we need them to build a house.

      Let’s take all sharp instruments away from doctors except when we need them to perform surgery.

      Let’s take baseball bats away from all ball players except when they are on the field.

      I could go on, but you get the picture. I’m sure most of this group does get the picture, but why can’t we trust the military to exercise good judgment and common since with a protection tool that they are trained to handle! WTF.

      • Kulafarmer

        “Let’s take hammers away from carpenters except when we need them to build a house.”

        Im actually far more likely to beat some fucker to death with my Stiletto titanium framer than my AR15 or 1911,,,

        Just sayin

        • wrong

          I hear that loud and clear!

          You still have that extra rope hangin in your shed?

          • slingshot

            Going to make a Hawaiian Pinata?

          • Kulafarmer

            Yep, still ready and willing, how many hanks with eye do you want.

        • t-zulu

          good hammer!!!

    9. Ugly

      Good article, but a sad one.

      • Eyesopenanddisgusted

        I can’t believe people still believe MSN as if one thing is true. When will people learn, it’s all a lie.

    10. oldwhatshisname

      I Work In A “Gun Free” Zone,,, And Now We Are Now subjected To Additional Random Searches, Harassment And Delays Because Of crazies. If We were Allowed To Carry Weapons, There Would Be Fewer crazies And More Thoughtful People!

      • sixpack

        you work in a court house?

    11. wrong

      Our government is filled with stupid idiots!!!!!! Never ceases to amaze me how totally ignorant these people are. It’s as if they all loose their since of direction and any fucking common since they may have had. My 20 year old daughter has more since than all these fuckwads put together. Lock them all in a big bunker and let them eat each other. Our guberment needs a huge enema.

      • Tim

        Must be working for an award for one of the worst comments ever posted.

        🙂

        Too many mistakes to correct, just walk away.

        • wrong

          Thanks Timmy 🙂 Cause that’s what I give a shit about! Go Fuck yourn selfs.

      • wrong

        But you all knew that anyway. (Red Thumb) I hurt someones feelings…. hehehe

    12. Jossei

      “Gun Free” Zones,
      created by:
      “Brain Free” Politicians.

    13. River-Rat

      I think we need POLITICIAN FREE ZONE’S and have COMMON SENSE ZONE’S! This country is totally eaten up with DUMB ASS!

      It’s about time to beam me up Scotty.

    14. Arctic Warrior

      I would think an aggressor force of paratroopers and light equipment could disguise themselves on a converted 747, reapaint the plane to match a known airline coming out of Asia
      Fly to alaska and take over elmendorf or ft rich as all their weapons are probably locked up securely out of harms way
      Oh well!

      • bigben

        Artic warrior, my thoughts exactly. That don’t make any sense, we have in effect a disarmed military.

        bigben

    15. Townsaver

      It is coming apart at the seams now. Things are getting really close to home now folks. Last week we had a home invasion in our tiny community of 4400 people. First one ever, in a town where everybody really does know your name.

      Does someone have to kick in your door and rob you point blank before you wake up and start taking action? Show some personal responsibility, put on your big girl panties and get to work already.

    16. Socrates

      Some important takeaways from this (and other)tragedies.

      WHAT GOOD is it to have soldiers, sailors and airmen on cases, posts, and other locations with no weaponry readily accessible for DEFENSE? Sure the base or post may have a *few* ABGD or Military police on location, but they are typically not even armed either! All of their arms are located in…the ARMORY! Seems to me it would be incredibly EASY to take over any number of bases or forts if all you have to do it take out the armory. SPOF= Single Point Of Failure. This to me is also treasonous as it only exposes our military and assets to extreme risk.

      All one has to do is look towards the Ukraine- The Ruskies thought they were going to easily storm some of the posts there, but were repelled by the ARMED on base troops. FYI- Not everyone on a base gets to carry a sidearm or battle rifle, only active security or defense teams, period. This means the number of armed defenses on the base are limited to start with.

      Reminds me of the cluster [email protected]#% that the Colonial Marines were put in when they had all of their weapons confiscated while searching for the colonists:
      Pvt. Frost: What are we supposed to use, harsh language?

      If you deliberately SET SOMEONEONE UP TO FAIL, chances are high that’s what you’ll get. I’d say the enemies are deep within U.S. territory and disabling everything by design.

      • lonelonemum

        A military base without an armed perimeter security look out team makes zero sense to this lifelong civilian.

        I have noted increasing numbers of vets on civvie street are losing their rights to bear arms due to medics saying they are too loopy. Worries me as when shtf these are exactly the types I was hoping to be able to rely on. As things are heading the gangbangers will be the ones tooled up and ready to rumble in terms of defending local neighbourhoods. (Increasing numbers of gangmembers have been joining the military in recent years for the training – please don’t think only the good guys are wise to the prepping concept at this late stage).

        Off topic – thanks for the bantam breed tip, we’ve now placed our order for hatching eggs with a really top notch breeder & are hoping for good things. The sprog is scheduled in for a cockeral “neck ringing and prepping for the pot” session with an old timer this summer in return for one of the carcasses too. The MSM may have written off retirees, from this homeschoolers pov they are the best learning resource ever!

        • sixpack

          Since it’s the govt that says they’re “loopy”, you can safely disregard the most of it as bullshit.

          • lonelonemum

            sixpack – I totally agree with you. However it doesn’t change the fact that the most skilled, level headed in an emergency section of many communities have been disarmed. The is the natural pool of leadership, in any citizens resistance movement.

            • sixpack

              absofuckinglutely!

    17. chow

      “In fact, illegal weapons suppliers may well be helping to lobby Congress for gun bans just so they can expand their trade.”

      The Hon.(actually dishonorable) Leland Yee of CA comes to mind. He was trafficking on Military weapons to supply the gang bangers while he’s the number proponent of gun confiscation in the state of CA.

    18. A gun in every pocket.

      Gun free zone. How stupid it even sounds. Gun free zones is another screwball tactic of the HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA.
      Or is the gun free zone another tactic of the U.N. N.W.O. Take your pick. It has come from somewhere. And that somewhere is pure evil.

    19. Okie rebel

      The liberals residing in our great nation are seperated from the real world. They don’t know what it takes to grow and harvest food, heat a home, provide your own water, etc. the liberals live in a fake world where everything is easy, just turn a handle, flip a switch. They truly live in a plastic reality. They don’t have to look reality in the eye. I have given up trying to reason with liberals. They aren’t grounded in reality. They will only see the real world when their fake plastic world falls apart and they are hungry thirsty and cold.

    20. Scott G.

      This so reminds me of the old saying; “Call the police, call an ambulance, and call for a delivery pizza. Which one do YOU think will get there first?”

    21. CrabbeNebulae

      I lived on a Navy base onetime, years ago, in the senior enlisted barracks. Inhabitants of this esteemed reservation were prohibited from personally possessing firearms. All guns must be checked into the base armory. Anyone violating this “rule” would be summarily prosecuted through Captains mast or “heaven forbid” court martial and have their contraband confiscated. When I reported aboard, I had a gun case in the back of my truck filled with evil guns, disguised as a milling machine. I moved into the barracks and placed it on the bottom of a bunch of my household goods in the corner of my room. I never said a word and no one ever bothered me after God only knows how many room inspections. After three years, I was transferred and the chief that helped me move my stuff to my truck the day I was leaving almost shit a brick when I opened the “milling machine box” and showed him the case of prohibited “evil guns” that I had kept in my room instead of turning them into the armory. I told him the Navy can go fuck themselves, I would NEVER turn over possession of my weapons to anyone, and that included the bureaucrats in the Navy; fuckem. (5 nice high powered rifles, three smaller caliber rifles four shotguns and five handguns) I loaded up my truck and left and never looked back. That was many years ago and I haven’t changed a bit. They can all go fuck themselves. There are a few laws we must all obey but most of the laws are nothing but a bunch of fucking bureaucratic rules. After many years, I’ve come to realize that if everyone simply disobeyed all the rules, the government bureaucrats couldn’t do shit about it.

      • Kulafarmer

        “After many years, I’ve come to realize that if everyone simply disobeyed all the rules, the government bureaucrats couldn’t do shit about it.”

        100 thumbs up,

        I wish people would wake the fuck up and realize this rather than cowering before these assholes and trying to be all respectful and stuff.
        We had a run-in with the legislature over here trying to pass some stupid gun laws, people asked me to write letters to them and respectfully ask them to reconsider,
        My response was Ill be respectful of them when they earn it and are respectful of me and my rights.

      • oldwhatshisname

        a couple of months ago we had a real active shooter on the base I work at. A disgruntled army recruiter who was relieved of duty, came back to shoot the person who canned him. He got one shot off, and 2 other personnel in the vicinity pulled out their handguns and shot the agressor. They then duct taped him up and called the MPs. Because they saved the victim’s life and maybe others, they got a mild reprimand for having unauthorized guns in a “gun free” zone.

    22. AC

      Anybody want to guess which psych drugs this guy was on?

      • Northern Reb

        Ac:
        He probably on the same garbage that all the other shooters were on.

        Don’t tell me that those clowns in D.C. don’t know how and what button to push to set someone off.

        They are trying to keep us so occuppied that we do not see how the real state this country is in. So when it collapes we want see it coming.

        Another false flag so we take our eye of the ball.

        S.T.S.F.P. N.R.N.S N.REB

      • Smokey

        So far, the news is reporting Ambien as one of them.

        Oh, by the way, he was being treated for PTSD from two tours in Iraq, driving a truck. Never saw combat.

        • Nopittypartyhere

          With all due respect, a buddy served in Irag. He is a CRNA and was put in charge of a group going to set up a mobile hospital in Al $&$)(;$province. Durin the convoy ride, a man THREW a 2 year old child into the road.m the drivers had orders to NOT STOP for anything. The young kid requested permission to stop and was denied. He had to run that child over. It was a trap to ambush the trucks. Kid was unfit for duty after that. Sent back for psychiatric care.

          My son did a tour in Afghanistan and he doesn’t talk about it, but he witnessed the afghan army being some real pigs. Just says he hates what our govt is putting up with over there. There’s no telling what these kids have witnessed. Never mind the truck drivers are IED targets.

          • sixpack

            All the more good reasons for us to STAND FIRM and not allow our govt to send our young people to fight in a war that we should never be involved in.

            To die protecting your family and/or your country is one thing—to die for something that is none of our business is something else altogether.

    23. Okie rebel

      The shooter was reported to be on psych meds, the media won’t make a big deal about it because they are afraid to lose advertising from the pharmaceutical industry. Wouldn’t want to make the drug companies mad. They might not use your media for advertising.

    24. Adamantium

      Absolutely asinine. Soldiers trained (far better than the police I might add) to utilize weapons most effectively and safely are mowed down by some crazy guy because they aren’t allowed to carry on base. How can you even make the argument that banning guns is the answer. Banning marijuana/cocaine/meth/alcohol/etc etc etc etc etc etc etc surely hasn’t worked so who really thinks firearms will? I find this whole anti-gun crap all too funny (if only it wasn’t). Feel free to read the FBI crime statistics website’ which show us on about a 2000 deaths a year “murder” rate DECLINE since about 99′ and again ironically a lower violent crime rate then the UK (who by the way has banned and confiscated firearms.) So there is no logic in this argument’ only control and dependency. I think it’s all to do with politicians in Washington being scared shitless of the people. It’s a bunch of authoritarians who know what they are doing is wrong’ know it’s an a front to the people and feel the need to create a advantage for themselves…just in case.
      Someone tell me’ if I walk on my hands will everything return to normal?
      (comma key still missing)

    25. RICH99

      SHANNON WATTS is a typical brainwashed UNABLE to think for themselves or learn from history American

    26. just thinking

      In the words of that great African-American. (Not the fat one screwing white prostitutes). The other African-American. (what’s his name?) Rodney, Rodney King. Where I was? oh yeah. In the words of that great African-American.

      CAN WE ALL GET ALONG?

    27. RICH99

      There was an ad on craigdlist for role players for a simulated shooting …ft. Hood

      • Eyesopenanddisgusted

        Thank you Rich, I get a bunch of thumbs down for trying to tell you guys this is a hoax, another gun grabbing agenda for the vets. Nobody died a drill played out just like all the other BS. You guys say you don’t believe MSN but you do, you sure are believing this.

        It’s easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled!

    28. ZombieDawg

      You know what is needed. For a few gun crazed psychos to kill some loser bureaucrats and/or their families and watch how fast the laws are repealed.
      “well…we COULD have saved your family IF we had a gun to shoot the attacker, but we didn’t have one..sorry.grin”

    29. slingshot

      Almost the whole country is on drugs in one form or another. Commercials on the T.V.. If you have this take this drug. Damn side effects takes a toll too. Everybody worried about depression and when you screw with chemistry of the brain, things can go wrong. Not all 100% accurate in the treatment. Had a Doctor ask me three times in five minutes if I had COPD. Wanted to push another drug on me. So as we are indoctrinated that there is a pill for everything, terminally engrossed by the latest visual gadgetry, and the inability to solve problems rationally and civil. We will see more shootings and other horror scenes.

      The News Media and Politicians will run with this story till you and I puke our guts up.

      Anyone for Civil Unrest? It’s coming.

      • Northern Reb

        Slingshot:
        You have hit the nail on the head. “T.V. commercials” If the little guy (I’m speaking for myself) don’t work take this, but if it does not go down in 4 hours GET medical attention. He!! I would be dancing in the streets).
        If you have an elephant sitting on you you need this. You might have a heart attack after usage.
        Oh no heart burn chew this.
        If you fell upset or depressed take this. OOPPS we forgot to tell you that after you use these drugs.
        That if you quit taking them your brain will turn to mush.
        S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

        • sixpack

          “if you quit taking them your brain will turn to mush”

          More likely, is that if you quit taking them, YOU WILL SOON REALIZE THAT YOUR BRAIN HAS ALREADY TURNED TO MUSH.

    30. Ugly

      I hope that the Anti-Christ hurries and reveals himself. That way I know we only have 7 more years of this crap….

      • JayJay

        I think it’s Pope Francis–seriously. 🙂

    31. Okie rebel

      I had three uncles serve in WW11. One of them lied about his age and went in when he turned sixteen. Two in the navy and one in combat in Europe. Dad served during Korean conflict they served so we could live in freedom with liberty. So we could have ownership of weapons food or anything else a freedom loving american would dream of owning. If I open my doors to the jackbooted thugs when they come to take my belongings, I might as well go whip it out and piss on my uncle’s and Dad’s graves in the national cemetery. Long story short, Fck the jack booted thugs and the horses they rode in on. I ain’t opening shit for nobody. Please forgive me lord for my cussing. I get red hot when talking about giving up our freedoms because a bunch of cake eaters and commies want to run rough shod over decent god loving, god fearing, red blooded Americans . Fck em and feed em fish heads

      • Northern Reb

        Okie:
        AMEN BROTHER!!!
        I lost a uncle in ww2, and had 2 another uncles wounded and my father fought and was wounded in Korea at Mung Dung Nee valley in 1951.
        I’m with you, I will not retreat or surrender my rights. I have had enough!!!!!!!!

        My only regret in life, is that I did not join the any military branch.
        I promise you one thing though. I will fight like hell to save this Republic for my childern and granchildern.

        If this guy that did the shooting,did have P.T.S.D. and was not treated right and he was not under close supervision then we as a country have failed.

        There was a study ran on P.T.S.D. and they found out that over 85% of the patients that had P.T.S.D. were city kids or kids that had never seen anything die before.
        Farm kids, hunters, and kids that fished only had a P.T.S.D. percentage of less than 5%. the other 5 to 10% were not ranked.
        GOD!! help those poor kid that do have P.T.S.D.

        We should not just give them drugs and send them on their way. We as a country own them more than that.
        If any one should be getting aid it is them!!!

        NOT THOSE A$$HOLES SITTING ON THE POURCH SMOKING DOPE, SNORTING COKE, SHOTING UP, DRINK BOOZE AND MAKING BABIES THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR, LET THEM ALL ROT IN HELL.

        LETS TAKE ALL THAT AID AND GIVE IT O OUR GI JOE’S AND JANE’S THAT EARNED IT.

        Sorry for the rant but this just gets my blood boiling when I think about it.
        S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

    32. Stew Pedaso

      I left my guns in the Armory when I left the service. I was so pissed when I went to check them out and they had been used…A LOT…and never cleaned. Those were graduation presents from my Dad, I’m sure some Col. is now sporting a couple of shiney Desert Eagles. Can’t even keep typing…still pissed. 2000 that was.

    33. The

      What exactly is going on in Killeen, Texas. The (at the time) biggest mass murder in US history happened there, in a Luby’s Diner. Now, a second mass shooting at Fort Hood… The fact that the name of the town sounds like “killing” just makes it weirder.

      • sixpack

        Isn’t there a CIA facility close to Killeen?

    34. NCjoe

      My house is a gun free zone for everybody but me. Don’t like it? Go someplace else. If you don’t like gun free zones, go someplace else. Simple.

      • the renegade braveheart

        ncjoe, what do you have against the concept of self-defense? What will you do if someone kicks in your door and starts having their own way with the women in your family? I think it’s really interesting to hear your thoughts on that matter.

        • the renegade braveheart

          ncjoe, I’m still waiting to hear from you.

      • Kulafarmer

        Speak up sonny,
        Cant hear ya over all that gunfire from my kids…
        They are in the back room playin with their slide fire AR15s

      • clint

        NCjoe why do you come here if your not a true and real prepper?

    35. Fed up

      Maddog : That example is… um….uh….. hard to put into words! My lord if it wasn’t for old people and just decent hardworking honest people in general I’d gladly do without life’s comforts and conveniences if it meant America would be cleansed of these worthless turds.

    36. Jacob @ prepperswithaplan.com

      Absolutely amazing. The good guys can’t even defend themselves in what should be a super secure place.

    37. lonelonemum

      Okie – step away from the edge!

      Too much fretting about the thought processes of sociopaths drives you bat shit crazy.

      Talking of which – this Ebola outbreak has me really concerned. I can’t point my finger on why exactly as we all know this nasty disease crops up periodically in remote outposts of the Dark continent. I think it may be because we were told it has a 21 day incubation period. So does measles and there is a MAJOR who vaccination programme in Guinea (the crucible of this outbreak) going on right now.

      I’ve seen Africans used as human guinea pigs before for big pharma experiments. (natural genetic resistance to HIV being the big one). The elite couldn’t give a damn about poverty stricken African babies dying of the measles, or anything else for that matter. So why this sudden bout of generosity at this moment in time specifically?

      I’m no medic, and as I said above trying to understand the mindset of a sociopath can drive you loopy yourself if your don’t watch out. It’s been openly declared that they think the perfect way to control global population is thru the use of an airborne version of this Ebola virus. Are they actually testing a vaccine to ensure their own continued survival when it is released?

      Now I’m really am going down the rabbit hole marked – barking mad BUT

      I do know any protection will come from pure spiritual sources & so I picked up my bible and read a random page. This led me to this random idea – The Tree of Life to fight death and this particular remedy http://healthnews.benabraham.com/html/the_miracle_of_the_olive_leaf.html

      Has anyone used olive leaf extract for medicinal purposes? Like collodial silver, or thyme (my fave go to herb) it’s not promoted by the elite. It may not protect us against the Biblical plague that is Ebola, but it does seem to have a place in a preppers medicine cabinet/pantry as it is an alternative to several drugs that may shortly become hard to get hold of like blood pressure meds etc. It’s something that can be produced at home anyways.

      Now Okie Rebel you have permission to tell me I’ve lost the plot ; )

    38. Socrates

      @Okie Rebel-

      We said…cussing and all!

      Give ’em HELL!

      If they don’t like it, give it to ’em AGAIN!

    39. Eagle 1

      Sadly the culture that is being pushed by the media is one that wussifies the nation. I first shot a long rifle when I was 5. I shot my first deer at age 12, and have never hurt anyone. Even as a kid when I first heard of columbine, and the idea of a gun free zone, the only thing I could think of is good gosh that’s stupid. I live in a state that allows open carry, but just for opsec do conceal carry. Someone apparently thought I was a threat today because the wind caught my clothing in just the right way to “print the gun” and called the cops to observe me. Absolutely ridiculous. They arrived within 3 minutes. Arrival time when a druggie was outside my apartment firing a weapon? Took them 40 minutes. Shows their priorities. But hey who needs em? That’s the beautiful thing of being armed. Armed people are independent and that scares the crap out of this tyrannical nanny state government.

    40. John Stiner

      People are missing the point. It is not about guns and gun free zones. It is about controlling the masses. Everybody here knows collapse is coming. When it does it will be on the level of the Nazi take over of Germany. The masses can not have guns to fight against the government when this happens.

      So, make mass killings a propaganda tool to help push the cause of banning guns, ban high capacity magazines, ban ammo.

      Everybody knows the Government is banning ammo. It is just happening though mass bulk purchases by the government so the little guy can’t have any.

    41. shag

      Knowing people own guns is the only reason I can sleep at night

      • JayJay

        My 20 gauge is loaded and beside the bed…:-)

    42. Kulafarmer

      Rep. Jim Moran wants members of Congress to make more than the $174,000 they earn now.

      Ill give these fuckers a raise, they need their lame asses run up a flag pole and left to dry as a reminder to those who come after them!

      This article is over on Newsmax

      Apparently their salary isnt enough to afford the DC lifestyle.

      Now remember, most also have other income from their government job and generally their home state pays all their expenses on top of their salaries,

      Buncha fucking assholes

      • Lisa

        They don’t need to make much, because that will weed out the greedy ones, and hopefully the rich ones who can afford to campaign and leave the candidates who really want to help the country.

      • sixpack

        and those same politicians are voting on raising our taxes and cutting services and benefits to cut “govt spending”.

        So let’s CUT their wages instead of raising them. They need to contribute their pound of flesh too.

    43. Satori

      I saw that Kula

      absolutely outrageous

      DC is so isolated from the real world it isn’t funny

      • Kulafarmer

        Sorry about all the swearing but damn,,,
        This is like a slap in the face and rubbing salt in the wound.
        They mandate obummercare for us, then exempt themselves.
        They cut all of the programs that we have paid into for years in most cases
        Then they turn around and give themselves raises, plus they give benefits to ILLEGAL ALIENS! Thats right sotomayer you bitch, illegal aliens….
        The country is racking up 2 billion a day in debt and barry o wants to increase aid to NATO by 33%. What part of economics 101 doesnt this baboon get? And i dont mean baboon as a race reference, i mean it as he is as dumb as a baboon!

    44. Okie rebel

      Lelonelum thanks for the info on the olive leaf extract. We need all the info we can get for remedies even though our father in heaven holds us in his hand. Our father in heaven helps those who help themselves. You are right I need to step back I get worked up when I read about my brother and sisters out there hiding their stuff like we are somehow doing something wrong. We are in the right. We don’t need to hide anything. What we have worked for and bought with our money is ours to do as we can please. President Obama may not use his executive orders to steal our belongings. Our father in heaven is on our side. We know who is backing the bankers and the NWO. We all know who will win this coming war They will not fare well and they know they have a short time. Hang tough brothers and sisters. Even if they kill us, death has just a little sting to it God is with us

      • lonelonemum

        My little summer project (with a homeschool kid who is showing a real talent for science) is to try and produce our own olive leaf extract. If nothing else these wee new skills projects we set our selves hone our mindsets to be independent, sharpen our ingenuity and train us for the adaptability Selco is always stressing as being crucial.

        Distracting ourselves in productive ways from the constant fear meme the elites so desire for us, is never a bad thing to do.

        Another fun thing to try is using the microwave to produce your own essential oils. (if you still have a microwave that is!). Google for lots of recipes. Lavender is easy enough for a 6 year old to produce.

        Can you tell I was raised on “God helps them that helps themselves”, and the odd clip round the ear lol!

    45. Feisty Old Broad

      OFF TOPIC BUT RELEVENT: With a great respect to Copperhead, I want to re-post something he posted which was very informative for me….and made me rethink my life….I had forgotten that I had copied and pasted it into my email drafts…..so glad I did….

      copperhead says:

      October 26, 2012 at 3:29 pm

      Emergency Food and Water Supplies

      If an earthquake, hurricane, winter storm or other disaster ever strikes your community, you
      might not have access to food, water and electricity for days, or even weeks. By taking a little
      time now to store emergency food and water supplies, you can provide for your entire family.This
      brochure was developed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s Community and Family
      Preparedness Programs which provides information to help families prepare for all types of
      disasters.

      WATER: THE ABSOLUTE NECESSITY
      Stocking water reserves and learning how to purify contaminated water should be among your top
      priorities in preparing for an emergency. You should store at least a two-week supply of water
      for each member of your family. Everyone’s needs will differ, depending upon age, physical
      condition, activity, diet and climate. A normally active person needs to drink at least two
      quarts of water each day. Hot environments can double that amount. Children, nursing mothers
      and ill people will need more. You will need additional water for food preparation and hygiene.
      Store a total of at least one gallon per person, per day.

      If your supplies begin to run low, remember: Never ration water. Drink the amount you need
      today, and try to find more for tomorrow. You can minimize the amount of water your body needs
      by reducing activity and staying cool. How to Store Emergency Water Supplies

      You can store your water in thoroughly washed plastic, glass, fiberglass or enamel-lined metal
      containers. Never use a container that has held toxic substances, because tiny amounts may
      remain in the container’s pores. Sound plastic containers, such as soft drink bottles, are best.
      You can also purchase food-grade plastic buckets or drums.

      Before storing your water, treat it with a preservative, such as chlorine bleach, to prevent the
      growth of microorganisms. Use liquid bleach that contains 5.25 percent sodium hypochlorite and
      no soap. Some containers warn, “Not For Personal Use.” You can disregard these warnings if the
      label states sodium hypochlorite is the only active ingredient and if you use only the small
      quantities in these instructions.

      Add four drops of bleach per quart of water (or two scant teaspoons per 10 gallons), and stir.
      Seal your water containers tightly, label them and store them in a cool, dark place.

      Hidden Water Sources in Your Home

      If a disaster catches you without a stored supply of clean water, you can use water in your
      hot-water tank, in your plumbing and in ice cubes. As a last resort, you can use water in the
      reservoir tank of your toilet (not the bowl), but purify it first (described later).Water beds
      hold up to 400 gallons, but some water beds contain toxic chemicals that are not fully removed by
      many purifiers. If you designate a water bed in your home as an emergency resource, drain it
      yearly and refill it with fresh water containing two ounces of bleach per 120 gallons. To use the
      water in your pipes, let air into the plumbing by turning on the highest faucet in your house and
      draining the water from the lowest one.To use the water in your hot-water tank, be sure the
      electricity or gas is off, and open the drain at the bottom of the tank. Start the water flowing
      by turning off the water intake valve and turning on a hot-water faucet. Do not turn on the gas
      or electricity when the tank is empty. Do you know the location of your incoming water valve?
      You’ll need to shut if off to stop contaminated water from entering your home if you hear reports
      of broken water or sewage lines.Emergency Outdoor Water Sources

      If you need to seek water outside your home, you can use these sources. But purify the water
      before drinking it.Rainwater Streams, rivers and other moving bodies of water Ponds and lakes
      Natural springs Avoid water with floating material, an odor or dark color. Use saltwater only if
      you distill it first (described later). Three Easy Ways to Purify Water
      In addition to having a bad odor and taste, contaminated water can contain microorganisms that
      cause diseases such as dysentery, cholera, typhoid and hepatitis. You should therefore purify
      all water of uncertain purity before using it for drinking, food preparation or hygiene.

      There are many ways to purify water. None are perfect. Often the best solution is a combination
      of methods. Before purifying, let any suspended particles settle to the bottom, or strain them
      through layers of paper towel or clean cloth.

      Three easy purification methods are outlined below. These measures will kill microbes but will
      not remove other contaminants such as heavy metals, salts, most other chemicals and radioactive
      fallout.

      Boiling is the safest method of purifying water. Bring water to a rolling boil for 10 minutes,
      keeping in mind that some water will evaporate. Let the water cool before drinking. Boiled
      water will taste better if you put oxygen back into it by pouring it back and forth between two
      containers. This will also improve the taste of stored water.

      Chlorination uses liquid chlorine bleach to kill microorganisms. (See page 1 for bleach safety
      information.) Add two drops of bleach per quart of water (four drops if the water is cloudy),
      stir and let stand for 30 minutes. If the water does not taste and smell of chlorine at that
      point, add another dose and let stand another 15 minutes.

      If you do not have a dropper, use a spoon and a square-ended strip of paper or thin cloth about
      1/4 inch by 2 inches. Put the strip in the spoon with an end hanging down about 1/2 inch below
      the scoop of the spoon. Place bleach in the spoon and carefully tip it. Drops the size of those
      from a medicine dropper will drip off the end of the strip.

      Purification tablets release chlorine or iodine. They are inexpensive and available at most
      sporting goods stores and some drugstores. Follow the package directions. Usually one tablet is
      enough for one quart of water. Double the dose for cloudy water.

      More Rigorous Purification Methods
      While the three methods described above will remove only microbes from water, the following two
      purification methods will remove other contaminants. Distillation will remove microbes, heavy
      metals, salts, most other chemicals, and radioactive dust and dirt, called radioactive fallout.
      Filtering will also remove radioactive fallout. (Water itself cannot become radioactive, but it
      can be contaminated by radioactive fallout. It is unsafe to drink water that contains
      radioactive fallout.)

      Distillation involves boiling water and then collecting the vapor that condenses back to water.
      The condensed vapor will not include salt and other impurities. To distill, fill a pot halfway
      with water. Tie a cup to the handle on the pot’s lid so that the cup will hang right-side-up
      when the lid is upside-down (make sure the cup is not dangling into the water) and boil the water
      for 20 minutes. The water that drips from the lid into the cup is distilled.

      To make a fallout filter, punch holes in the bottom of a large bucket, and put a layer of gravel
      in the bucket about 1-1/2 inches high. Cover the gravel with a towel cut in a circle slightly
      larger than the bucket. Cover soil with a towel, place the filter over a large container, and
      pour contaminated water through. Then, disinfect the filtered water using one of the methods
      described above. Change the soil in your filter after every 50 quarts of water.

      Family Disaster Supply Kit

      It’s 2:00 a.m. and a flash flood forces you to evacuate your home–fast. There’s no time to
      gather food from the kitchen, fill bottles with water, grab a first-aid kit from the closet and
      snatch a flashlight and a portable radio from the bedroom. You need to have these items packed
      and ready in one place before disaster hits.

      Pack at least a three-day supply of food and water, and store it in a handy place. Choose foods
      that are easy to carry, nutritious and ready-to-eat. In addition, pack these emergency items:
      Medical supplies and first aid manual
      Hygiene supplies
      Portable radio, flashlights and extra batteries
      Shovel and other useful tools
      Money and matches in a waterproof container
      Fire extinguisher
      Blanket and extra clothing
      Infant and small children’s needs (if appropriate)

      FOOD: PREPARING AN EMERGENCY STOCKPILE

      If activity is reduced, healthy people can survive on half their usual food intake for an
      extended period and without any food for many days. Food, unlike water, may be rationed safely,
      except for children and pregnant women.

      If your water supply is limited, try to avoid foods that are high in fat and protein, and don’t
      stock salty foods, since they will make you thirsty. Try to eat salt-free crackers, whole grain
      cereals and canned foods with high liquid content.

      You don’t need to go out and buy unfamiliar foods to prepare an emergency food supply. You can
      use the canned foods, dry mixes and other staples on your cupboard shelves. In fact, familiar
      foods are important. They can lift morale and give a feeling of security in time of stress.
      Also, canned foods won’t require cooking, water or special preparation. Following are
      recommended short-term and long-term food storage plans.

      Storage Tips

      Keep food in the driest and coolest spot in the house–a dark area if possible.
      Keep food covered at all times.
      Open food boxes or cans carefully so that you can close them tightly after each use.
      Wrap cookies and crackers in plastic bags, and keep them in tight containers.
      Empty opened packages of sugar, dried fruits and nuts into screw-top jars or air-tight cans to
      protect them from pests. Inspect all food containers for signs of spoilage before use.

      Short-Term Food Supplies

      Even though it is unlikely that an emergency would cut off your food supply for two weeks, you
      should prepare a supply that will last that long. A two-week supply can relieve a great deal of
      inconvenience and uncertainty until services are restored.
      The easiest way to develop a two-week stockpile is to increase the amount of basic foods you
      normally keep on your shelves. Remember to compensate for the amount you eat from other sources
      (such as restaurants) during an average two-week period.
      You may already have a two-week supply of food on hand. Keeping it fresh is simple. Just rotate
      your supply once or twice a year.

      Special Considerations to Keep in Mind

      As you stock food, take into account your family’s unique needs and tastes. Try to include foods
      that they will enjoy and that are also high in calories and nutrition. Foods that require no
      refrigeration, preparation or cooking are best.
      Individuals with special diets and allergies will need particular attention, as will babies,
      toddlers and the elderly. Nursing mothers may need liquid formula, in case they are unable to
      nurse. Canned dietetic foods, juices and soups may be helpful for the ill or elderly.
      Make sure you have a can opener and disposable utensils. And don’t forget nonperishable foods
      for your pets.

      How to Store Your Short-Term Stockpile

      Keep canned foods in a dry place where the temperature is fairly cool–not above 70 degrees
      Fahrenheit and not below freezing. To protect boxed foods from pests and extend their shelf
      life, store the boxes in tightly closed cans or metal containers.
      Rotate your food supply. Use foods before they go bad, and replace them with fresh supplies,
      dated with ink or marker. Place new items at the back of the storage area and older ones in
      front.
      Your emergency food supply should be of the highest quality possible. Inspect your reserves
      periodically to make sure there are no broken seals or dented containers.

      How to Cook if the Power Goes Out

      For emergency cooking you can use a fireplace, or a charcoal grill or camp stove outdoors only.
      You can also heat food with candle warmers, chafing dishes and fondue pots. Canned food can be
      eaten right out of the can. If you heat it in the can, be sure to open the can and remove the
      label first.

      Long-Term Food Supplies

      In the unlikely event of a military attack or some other national disaster, you may need
      long-term emergency food supplies. The best approach is to store large amounts of staples along
      with a variety of canned and dried foods.
      Bulk quantities of wheat, corn, beans and salt are inexpensive and have nearly unlimited shelf
      life. If necessary, you could survive for years on small daily amounts of these staples. Stock
      the following amounts per person, per month:
      Wheat–20 pounds
      Powdered Milk(for babies and infants)*– 20 pounds
      Corn–20 pounds
      Iodized Salt–1 pound
      Soybeans–10 pounds
      Vitamin C**–15 grams

      * Buy in nitrogen-packed cans
      ** Rotate every two years

      Storage and Preparation of Food Supplies

      Store wheat, corn and beans in sealed cans or plastic buckets. Buy powdered milk in
      nitrogen-packed cans. And leave salt and vitamin C in their original packages.

      If these staples comprise your entire menu, you must eat all of them together to stay healthy.
      To avoid serious digestive problems, you’ll need to grind the corn and wheat into flour and cook
      them, as well as boil the beans, before eating. Many health food stores sell hand-cranked grain
      mills or can tell you where you can get one. Make sure you buy one that can grind corn. If you
      are caught without a mill, you can grind your grain by filling a large can with whole grain one
      inch deep, holding the can on the ground between your feet and pounding the grain with a pipe.

      Nutrition Tips
      In a crisis, it will be vital that you maintain your strength. So remember:
      Eat at least one well-balanced meal each day.
      Drink enough liquid to enable your body to function properly (two quarts a day).
      Take in enough calories to enable you to do any necessary work.
      Include vitamin, mineral and protein supplements in your stockpile to assure adequate nutrition.

      Shelf Life of Foods for Storage

      Here are some general guidelines for rotating common emergency foods.

      Use within six months:
      Powdered milk (boxed)
      Dried fruit (in metal container)
      Dry, crisp crackers (in metal container)
      Potatoes

      Use within one year:
      Canned condensed meat and vegetable soups
      Canned fruits, fruit juices and vegetables
      Ready-to-eat cereals and uncooked instant cereals (in metal containers)
      Peanut butter
      Jelly
      Hard candy, chocolate bars and canned nuts

      May be stored indefinitely (in proper containers and conditions):
      Wheat
      Vegetable oils
      Corn
      Baking powder
      Soybeans
      Instant coffee, tea
      Vitamin C and cocoa
      Salt
      Noncarbonated soft drinks
      White rice
      Bouillon products
      Dry pasta
      Powdered milk (in nitrogen-packed cans)

      Ways to Supplement Your Long-Term Stockpile

      The above staples offer a limited menu, but you can supplement them with commercially packed
      air-dried or freeze-dried foods and supermarket goods. Rice, popcorn and varieties of beans are
      nutritious and long-lasting. The more supplements you include, the more expensive your stockpile
      will be. Following is an easy approach to long-term food storage: uy a supply of the bulk staples
      listed above. Build up your everyday stock of canned goods until you have a two-week to one-month
      surplus. Rotate it periodically to maintain a supply of common foods that will not require
      special preparation, water or cooking. From a sporting or camping equipment store, buy
      commercially packaged, freeze-dried or air-dried foods. Although costly, this will be your best
      form of stored meat, so buy accordingly. If the Electricity Goes Off… FIRST, use perishable
      food and foods from the refrigerator. THEN use the foods from the freezer. To minimize the
      number of times you open the freezer door, post a list of freezer contents on it. In a
      well-filled, well-insulated freezer, foods will usually still have ice crystals in their centers
      (meaning foods are safe to eat) for at least three days. FINALLY, begin to use non-perishable
      foods and staples.
      Blue racer

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    46. Lisa

      Speaking of the possibility of blood pressure meds being hard or impossible to get when TSHTF, there’s a remedy used in Brazil and Cuba using an eggplant. Wash really well to get rid of the pesticides (or grow your own, they might not be available either) and slice. Put in water overnight and then drink. The purple skin has a substance that effectively lowers blood pressure. The water has hardly any taste, just a slight cucumber-like flavor.

      • Kulafarmer

        Beets, if you drink beet juice a few times a day it will lower your blood pressure.

        • lonelonemum

          By beets – do you mean sugar beets or beetroot the red root vegetable we use for textile dye?

          Sorry – planning my garden and based in the UK. English, English and US English don’t always translate.

      • JayJay

        Hawthorne Berries. I am buying 5 bottles (100 tabs each) per month.

      • sixpack

        I’m in the final stages of completely weaning myself off my HBP meds. You see, my BP has returned to my normal parameters and the meds are actually hurting my heart. Of course the Dr. didn’t agree, but couldn’t argue with the evidence either.

        I spent weeks slowly cutting down my doses, by cutting my pills. I took 2 meds. I cut one of the pills in half with a pill cutter for 2 weeks. Then I took 1/2 pill every other day for 2 more weeks. Then I quit taking that one altogether. 2 weeks later I started cutting the second pill in half. Then half every other day. Now I’m almost ready to be free of the meds.

        If you just stop taking HBP meds, you can easily have a stroke. Weaning slowly is the only way off of them. I have my own blood pressure cuff at home, so I can monitor myself.

        I don’t intend to die of a heart attack, because the govt decided to cut off my meds.

    47. Graham

      The only way this can be fixed is to get rid of the guns.

      Every single last one….

      • Kulafarmer

        Ya forgot to put the SARC button on,

        • Anonymous

          SARC = sarcastic?

      • sixpack

        AMEN.

        • Them Guys

          They Must be Only executing Viet banksters. Because you can Bank on it that if ANY Khazar tribe banksters got sentenced to death there or any Other nation..

          You’d be seeing Abe Foxman of ADL fame on constant nonstop MSM Global TV shows and news shows whinning like a Stuck Swine Piggie if that ever happened.

    48. sixhonestservingmen

      If people truly understood where these Gun Free Zones where really located, there would be no need for outrage or even disarmament.

      When George Orwell said –

      “To see that which is in front of one’s nose requires a constant struggle”,

      was something of pure brilliance to say, and most certainly apt, as a clue to know where to find the ‘solution’ to defeat the problems created by exploitative government and corporations.

      The solution to defeat both exploitative government and corporations, is quite literally in front of our noses and becomes obvious, once we are able to struggle through, to see what it is, that is in front our noses.

      The solution lies in knowing the ‘location of where’ agreements apply, and ‘where you are to be found’.

      The answer truly is in front of our noses and can only work for us, if it is ‘relentlessly’ made known and brought to everyone’s attention. Otherwise, we will have to face our demise, and excuse the strong language, as cowering dogs.

      Enjoy knowing that which is front of our noses –

      WHERE YOU AGREE TO BE FOUND (JURISDICTION) –

      Political Charters Create Corporate Countries As Fictions – Throughout The World
      http://thereisnodebt.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/the-law/

      SLAVERY BY CONSENT TO CORPORATE FICTIONS AS COUNTRIES
      http://thereisnodebt.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/slavery-by-consent-to-corporate-fictions-as-countries/

      *Category:Political charters
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Political_charters

      List of national constitutions
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_constitutions

      WHERE AM I
      (Follow the instructions and open links to find the legislative definition of a country)
      http://thereisnodebt.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/where-am-i/

      MUDDYING THE WATERS
      28 USC § 3002 – Definitions
      (15) “United States” means—
      (A) a Federal corporation;
      http://thereisnodebt.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/muddying-the-waters/

      IRS
      United States Income Tax Treaties – A to Z
      http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/International-Businesses/United-States-Income-Tax-Treaties—A-to-Z

      U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
      Treaties and TIEAs
      (Double Taxation Treaties )
      http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/treaties/Pages/treaties.aspx

      RULE THYSELF LEST YE BE RULED
      http://thereisnodebt.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/rule-thyself-lest-ye-be-ruled/

      SOURCED:

      The thread that binds them all –

      QUICK LINK GUIDE FOR RAPID UNDERSTANDING OF LIBERTY
      http://thereisnodebt.wordpress

      “Always, the people are responsible for wicked lawmakers, oppressors, exploiters, criminals in government, tyrants in power, thieves, liars, malefactors and murderers in the capitals of the world. You, the man in the street, the man in the factory and in the shop, the man on the farm, the man in the office, you, the man everywhere, are guilty of the creatures whose crimes against you have been so monstrous, and will be again, by your own consent — if you give it…” — Taylor Caldwell,”The Devil’s Advocate”(1952) — pgs. 332 — 338

    49. Calgacus

      Got this in email last night. If you aint pissed yet, thisll do it. Pasted as I received it:

      You may not be close to medicare – but your mother or father or sister or brother, or perhaps even your child will be – so even though you may LOVE Obama – this law is not good for you or your loved ones.

      —-If you don’t read this, and do nothing about it, don’t complain when it affects you or your loved ones!!!!! This is the second Judge to have read the Obama Care document and made comments. More highlights of Nancy ‘s “pass it and then find out what’s in the bill”!!!!!! Show this to everyone nearing the ripe old age of 76. These are just a few of the things that we Seniors are going to have to deal with starting in 2014. Even far left Democrats will not like these.

      MEDICARE AT AGE 76, IMPORTANT PLEASE READ – ANYONE WHO DOUBTS THIS IS TRUE CAN DOWNLOAD THE NEW OBAMA CARE AND LOOK UP THE PAGES MENTIONED. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING………………….PLEASE PASS THIS OUTRAGE TO EVERYONE ON YOUR LIST!!! THIS should be read by everyone, especially important to those over 75……. If you are younger, then it may apply to your parents….

      Your hospital Medicare admittance has just changed under Obama Care. You must be admitted by your primary Physician in order for Medicare to pay for it! If you are admitted by an emergency room doctor it is treated as outpatient care where hospital costs are not covered. This is only the tip of the iceberg for Obama Care. Just wait to see what happens in this year and 2014!

      YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS… At age 76 when you most need it most, you are not eligible for cancer treatment * see page 272. What Nancy Pelosi didn’t want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, “We have to pass the Bill so that we can see what’s in it.” Well, here it is.

      Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number THE CARE BILL HB 3200 JUDGE KITHIL IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL. Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX – highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200. Please read this……. especially the reference to pages 58 & 59, JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

      ** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

      ** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

      ** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now – ACORN)

      ** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

      ** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors’ fees.

      ** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient’s age.

      ** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

      ** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an “end-of-life planning” seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

      ** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

      HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify: “Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.

      No wonder they did not see the need to read it….doesn’t apply to them!!! THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO STAND UP TO WASHINGTON …. I don’t know if we can do anything, but awareness helps.

    50. markww

      This whole ANTI HAND GUN came from PEACE NUTS and DEMS who say you can’t have guns but we can. Here is the military trained but can’t carry THE BLOOD OF INNOCENT IS ON YOUR HANDS ANTI HAND GUN PEOPLE…

    51. Concerned

      The shooter in CO at the church was also on meds, and had been counseled by the leadership of YWAM, more specifically leaders who love to play psychology and psycho therapy…

      I know, because I entered the program thinking it was just a missions group, and found out otherwise.

    52. Tatiana Covington

      An Army base is a gun-free zone… that’s mutual exclusion!

      Don’t talk nonsense. The Army’s whole point is guns… lots and lots of them!

    53. Jakob Stagg

      The apparent plan is to disarm everyone but criminals and politicians, and their armed police forces. That appears to be an agenda to create victims. The two armed groups are essentially the same. They take what they want and kill anybody they want.

      That’s definitely not what I served for.

    54. freewill2

      somebody should let the “moms demand action confiscation lobby” know they already had a gun ban at Fort Hood. Finally after three people dead somebody showed up with a gun and the shooter ended his rampage. somebody should tell this confiscation lobby that they are to blame for the deaths at Fort Hood. its because of their confiscation efforts that prevented the people from defending their own life. every time theres an attack in a gun free zone. blame the confiscation lobby.

    55. Ret Marine

      Its a damned shame, while everyone in the low-to-need-to-know-not-the-truth crowd would like to blame this on the Clinton administration, it was the Bush #1 Under-Sec of DOD that did the dastardly deed, dis-armed our Armed Forces. Talk about ironic, and not in a good way either. I am so damned mad at these do-gooders, I almost want have see their heads on a stake in every damned corner of this Great Nation as a reminder of what WILL happen to the next idiot who produces policies that get our people killed, and for what? I feel sad for the families and those left to clean up this mess that they ( these damned feel do-gooders) have created.
      In my time as a Marine, we had assignments as junior enlisted of Guard Duties as required on all military installations, what the hell happened to those days, and why did these morons feel the need to disarm the good guys, some one needs to pay for this and in a very painful way just to get the point across to the others who seem to believe these people, the very ones assigned to protect and defend this Nation and its civilian and military personnel. There are always going to be “crazies” that is pretty much a given, but, why in the hell make it easy to destroy the very people we’ve, as a Nation paid good money for to be sitting target of their madness, this issue needs serious consideration and repealed for the sake of everyone. Think about this, just for a moment, if there was a person who was armed, there would not be as many bodies to account for as that person would have the ability to take down an active shooter after the first shot was heard.
      God Bless and keep his, and let the devil have his as well.
      Semper Fi.

    56. Ben Dhere

      Ya gotta love it! The very people whose job it is to uphold and defend the Constitution, (they took the oath, they took the pay) are complaining about losing their Constitutional rights…seems to me these guys don’t know the meaning of the word ‘right’.

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