FedGov Declares: A Determination of Incompetency Will Prohibit You From Owning Firearms or Ammunition

by | Feb 22, 2013 | Headline News | 619 comments

In a prelude of what’s likely to become the norm as government sponsored healthcare is implemented across the country, nameless bureaucrats in the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs have begun issuing warning letters to veterans which claim that service members who are deemed by the agency to be incompetent or mentally ill will be required to surrender their rights as protected under the Second Amendment.

In a letter highlighting the government’s continued encroachment on the liberties of Americans, the V.A. claims that they, and only they, have final say-so on whether or not a veteran member of the US military is authorized to own guns or ammunition.

How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world.

Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. 

It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA.

In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.

Source: Michael Connelly, J.D. of United States Justice Foundation​ via Red Flag News and Steve Quayle

The letters have been made available for public viewing.

Kurt Nimmo of Infowars.com notes that the letters are not the exception, but rather, are likely part of a new strategy designed to disarm Americans by whatever means necessary, suggesting that the letters from the V.A. are but a stepping stone to further restrictive actions soon to be implemented by the Obama Administration and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano:

It’s no secret that the Department of Homeland Security considers returning veterans a threat to the established order. They said as much back in 2009 when they wrote in a report exposed by Alex Jones and the alternative media: “Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists… DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities.”

Following the case of veteran Brandon Raub, who was abducted and held in a psychiatric ward for Facebook posts the government considered subversive, police in Ohio seized a veteran’s guns after he was adjudged to be mentally incompetent despite the fact a Veterans Administration psychiatric evaluation determined he was not mentally ill.

“Since the veteran is active in the so-called truth movement or patriot community, it is assumed that his involvement in this field is part of the reason why he has been targeted for psychiatric evaluation,” Paul Joseph Watson wrote on August 24, 2012.

With the recent publication of the American Psychiatric Association’s new Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), just about every American could potentially be diagnosed with a mental health condition that includes anything from attention deficits and depression, to everyday emotional responses like nervous tension or stress.

Suffice it to say that, under the DSM-5, anyone who visits a psychiatrist,  psychologist or even their family doctor, could be deemed incompetent or mentally unfit to own a firearm should their government sponsored healthcare provider make that determination.

America’s veterans are an easy target because they generally have an affinity for and an understanding of firearms, have been in war zones or high stress environments, and many are dependent on government sponsored health care programs.

But vets won’t be the last to be targeted for disarmament on medical grounds. With the implementation of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, more commonly known as Obamacare, tens of millions of Americans will soon fall under government jurisdiction and diagnosis.

Legislators in Washington D.C., as well as on the state level, have already introduced laws which aims to require mental health screening for gun owners, something the federal government would like to see instituted on a nationwide basis.

The ramifications of such legislation, which supporters of gun control and firearms registration say will keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill, will likewise have the effect of targeting innocent Americans who may simply be dealing with everyday stress or a naturally common level of mood fluctuations.

Imagine visiting your doctor and being asked if you’re experiencing stress because of your busy lifestyle or anxiety from a heavy work load. Answering “yes,” or “sometimes” to such questioning could soon be grounds for deeming you mentally incompetent. The next thing you know, a SWAT team will be kicking in your door (because you know they won’t knock nicely) looking for your firearms.

This is what’s coming next should the V.A. be allowed to disarm veterans without due process and public oversight.

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    1. AmeriKan Nightmare

      PUBLIC NOTICE WARNING : TO ALL TRAITORS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLES TRUST , NWO NJO ZOG COMMIE FEDGOV STATEGOV LEECHES ENSLAVERS OF THE once free AMERICAN PEOPLE … This is where I draw my Line in the Sand … I promise death and physical bloody violence will come to All who dare to threaten my U.S. CONSTITUTION GUARANTEED RIGHTS !!!


      Your playing with just the tip of a tail of a 1200 pound Tiger you don’t want to tangle with . That’s a Promise .


      • AmeriKan Nightmare

        “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

        ~Thomas Jefferson

        • 41MagMan

          Indeed so, brother. I also like this:

          “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington, 1790

          • KY Mom

            Firearm companies refusing sales to government agencies…

            Posted on Drudge Report

            • Gregory8

              KY Mom: Very cool that these companies are doing this.

            • Mountain Trekker

              KY, To bad,it’s none of the Big Boys. Trekker Out

              • Semper Fi y'all

                Most of the big boys support gun control. See senator dodds BS and the 1968 nazi plan. The big boys loved it and the NRA supports it. There are others.

                Revoke all gun control laws, or prepare your foxhole.

                Semper Fi
                If it isn’t at least .30 cal. give it to a kid, it’s a mouser, or poodle popper

          • clint hospo

            This was from Wikipedia a line about Subversion at the end, i had to look it up to get the actual meaning what it meant and this totally is Obama! Here is what it said,

            ” However, actions taken by terrorists may have a subversive effect on society. Subversion can imply the use of insidious, dishonest, monetary, or violent methods to bring about such change. ” If subversion fails in its goal of bringing about a coup it is possible that the actors and actions of the subversive group could transition to insurrection, insurgency, and/or guerilla warfare.”

            After reading this it totally made me think of our lying dishonest Obama leader in office. I use the VA for about 6 years so far. I get asked the normal questions there from the nurse before you see the DR. (BTW my VA Dr. is the best and works with you! SO happy for her!)It’s have you ever tried to kill yourself, do you smoke, how much do you drink, would you want to harm yourself and are you in any pain. But that is just their normal questions that are required to ask each time you see them. This is in Pittsburgh.

            But they have never asked me yet do I own a gun or anything yet related. Since I have been on here for 3 years now I will share anything that changes and let you know and feel them out. I always answer and tell the truth!

            Off topic but if you want to buy a 30 round mag(they allow one per day) but purchased (Ruger SR556mag-30) a Ar-15 30 round mag. Very similar to a Pmag but I think slightly better. They are 29 bucks. a tad high. Then bought 100 rounds of PPU(a newer company that makes bullets in major for the most calibers) made in serbia. Its brass is great and the bullets are M193 heads. They were 46 bucks for 100. I just wanted to try it but they had as much 9mm,40cal,10mm,50cal,338laupa, you name it in stock and had about 15 new ar-15’s in.

            I tried to help everyone on here looking for ammo or a ar-15. They are slightly higer on guns and ammo to be honest but they have it in stock usuall. They are called Ace Sporting goods in washington Pa. Very close to Pittsburgh. So if you are looking for any caliber they have it. That is where I bought genuine 30 round mags (3) for my FN 5.7 pistol. They usually only have 20 rounds available at many places and aftermarket makes a Promag which some people think are junk, I’m neurtal on them. Ace had my 20 round drum for my saiga 12 gauge for 79 bucks that I bought a couple years ago. Sold that it was junk I think. They had a brand new barrett 50 cal semi auto but was the titanium version not sure the model there and were selling for about 10,000 dollars.

            Again I didn’t use all caps this time and just trying to help those that can’t find guns or ammo a place where to get from. I used all caps to get your attention to help that is all. They have about 20 people working at one time and there phones are very busy so if they ring keep trying them. I think they are ok but prices slightly higher. They also sell plenty of 50bmg(browning machine gun) bullets. They had a box of 20 armor piercing incendiary under the table for about 90 bucks. Made in brazil or south america, not sure the company. These are hard to find and you have to get lucky when these come in.

            Gods Creation a user on here said, if you see a psychiatrist, psychologist … could be deemed incompetent or mentally unfit “””. That is my Dr at the VA, so we will see if they send me anything in the mail or tell me or ask me in the future at the VA. I will be honest and let you guys know the truth. I really don’t see them sending me a letter. I don’t have PTSD or I’m not unstable etc. Never been depressed. So we will see what this BS Obama Admin is doing to our great nation and VA hospitals. They can fuck off(not va but anyone who tries to limit our rights or take away!) And Vets and preppers be strong and don’t lay down your rights or weapons ever for these assholes who are corrupt and should be impeached! They are liars and traitors and we all know it!

            • clint hospo

              Thanks for the thumbs down so quickly again ungrateful young liberal. How do I know? Someone with knowledge can figure out what I wrote is true and honest and thoughtful, you have never been in the Military and would bet all my guns on it. Go ahead and fire away. You can always try and be honest to your type but you think you are so smart and have things figured out in life. All that your type can do is take and not give one thing to society or contribute anything or offer nothing. I bet you take from your parents and are not even thoughtful for it. Its to the point where its funny. So many of you liberal anti-gun idiots are so stupid. I do respect liberals that can have a conversation and see things from both sides and have a good debate. You are nothing but think you know everything internet tough guy. Try being honest with yourself tomorrow and learn something and treat others that are older than you with some respect. I think you have none.

              • Feisty Old Broad

                My Prayer is that the Patriots WAIT until all is revealed…DO NOT fire the first shot….WE have right and might on our side….and we have the grace of God…do not allow those whose intentions are to inflame,inflame you…in fact, YOU are ME and vast other Patriots….stand your ground, be strong in your beliefs and convictions and DO NOT allow anyone you know to “draw first blood”…..We Will Defend and Uphold our Constitution…..but will not be bullied into making a statement merely to make a statement…We Are American Patriots…..and We will DO what we need to do when necessary….basically, I am saying that WE CALL THE SHOTS

                • the cooking mom

                  I agree with you fob.
                  WE SHOULD. NOT DRAW FIRST BLOOD!!!

                  KEEP PREPPIN’

                • Jenn

                  @ FOB,
                  I’m fearful that God has turned His face from us, because WE (as a country) turned our backs to Him. Does not bode well for us.

                • watchman

                  hold your peace until all bets are off. after that do what you have to. it isn’t far away.

                • don't tread

                  We will “truly” learn who we are on the “inside”, when we come face to face with defending our “family,food, and firearms from the hands of evil.

              • RedPine

                Clint, so sorry– My fat thumb the culprit! GOOD POST.

              • AZ Dave

                No thumbs down from this side CH. I come from a long line of MEN who served this country and feel very fortunate to have these Veterans surrounding me to help guide me in the right direction for if no other reason so we don’t repeat history. As for the disarming of vets I no plenty of “SANE” people willing to help out the gubment deemed “insane” if their arms are taken from them. Once again Sir thank you for your service and the great post.

              • JayJay

                {{you liberal anti-gun idiots are so stupid}}

                They haven’t figured it out yet, Clint.
                When guns are outlawed for the righteous citizens, these anti-gun idiots will be the first to be shot by the govt.

                • JayJay

                  Or enslaved.

            • Feisty Old Broad

              @Clint…emotions run high when our basic Rights are at risk….I am actually frightened at what I see occuring in our gov’t….and feel rather helpless to stop it….but here, in this venue, there are others who share our beliefs…..so, in my mind, where there are many like minded folks, there is hope for the future….
              If hate is the lock, then Love is the key…

              • Eisenkreuz

                Then why won’t you luv me FOB?

            • Kindle

              I really appreciate your updates on the availability of product you are seeing. If in your travels through these stores you see a 10 round magazine for a 9 mm Beretta PX4 Storm Full size could you let me know?

              Colorado is probably going to pass the 15 round magazine ban and I have been looking everywhere for a 10 round factory made one.

              If anyone knows where one of these is I would greatly appreciate a heads up.

              • clint hospo

                will do.

              • Montana Mike

                Kindle, The company below is on the “no sale” to restrictive government agencies. They to not currently have what you are looking for:bookmark them to check back


                • Kindle

                  Montana Mike,
                  Thanks!! They had one of the 15 round magazines and I snagged it. Last one they had. This will at least keep me “legal” in Colorado….as the bill reads now it is a ban on larger than 15 rounds.

                  I still want to find a 10 round one in case I go to another state with the 10 round ban thingy. I have found 10 round magazines for all my tools except this one. I have plenty of the larger capacities but am trying to technically be legal. grrrrrrrr

                  It’s stupid or on purpose by tptb to pass bigger than 10 round mag ban when a lot of semi-auto hg’s don’t come with smaller ones.

                  Never thought I’d be searching for the little mags. Glad I stocked up on the bigger ones early.

                  Thanks again,

              • JM Denver

                If *ANY* state passes a ban, I hope you patriots will not comply. I for one will not comply with any Colorado ban on my 2A rights.

                Molon Labe – CATIMF – NOMI

                • Kindle

                  I’m not getting rid of anything. But I don’t mind “appearing” legal.

            • Semper Fi y'all

              VA needs an asshole reamer. About 105 should do.

              Semper Fi

          • roger


          • John Q. Public

            Typo—should be:

            Register Enemies of the People, not guns.

            • Zoltanne

              We really saw this one coming — the sheeple chorus wailed on and on about the mental states of some of these crazed lone shooters after the Sandy Hook incident. Surely the Progressives could make the connection of deranged shooters to other gun-owner citizens who might suffer from Depression or maybe PTSD.

              The incompetency label is one method that the Feds will use disarm gun owners. The problem for Vets will be in the actual “diagnosis” and the government red tape will ruin a Vet’s chance at a reprieve. The real pisser about this method is that there is existing legislation for the Feds to use while they destroy a citizen’s 2nd Amendment rights.

              Another method to attack a person’s rights will be the mandatory background checks and gun registry procedures.

              • Grasshopper

                ITS THE DRUGS!! The pharmaceutical industry is extremely corrupt, but like other industries has lobbyists to get what they want from Washington. I knew this lady who had been taking similar drugs and said she had thoughts of killing her husband. So she stopped taking the shit and the thoughts went away. ITS THE DRUGS!!! They just want your money, don’t give a crap if the drugs work or not… I’ve read many books about this industry– like “Your Daily Meds”, for one.

                • Anonymous

                  Did you know that the pharmaceutical industry spent 300 million dollars last year lobbying politicians?

                  Evidence has shown, that every mass shooter has been on or utilized ssri drugs that have been prescribed!

                  The politicians know this but the pharmaceutical industry which makes billions every year manufacturing these drugs spends hundreds of millions buying politicians thus the real problem of gun violence never makes it way into the public forefront!

                  I ask everyone here one question. Has anyone here ever hesitated or refrained from posting your thoughts or opinions about the way this country is run on this forum or any other forum?

                  If your answer was/is yes, then I ask you this? Is there then tyranny in our Govt/society now?

                • Sunshine

                  I have a family member whose complete mental state and personality have changed since being on many prescription drugs for 10+ years. Cannot be relied on for anything anymore and is probably only a step or two away from being committed to an institution if suicide doesn’t occur first. It is so sad to see someone deteriorate this way. Dr’s keep prescribing because if they don’t, another dr. will and they’ll lose the patient and the money. And every drug prescribed has a side effect that requires another…..drug.

                • Semper Fi y'all

                  Now this crap might kill you and if that bothers you, call your doctor.

              • Bob

                Ann Coulter is right. Don’t fall for the “universal background checks”. It won’t be a 4473, and will include current owners. Such a system would have to include registration. WA already tried to sneak “inspections” into law, and the sponsor claimed they didn’t know it was in the bill. Riiiiight. NY is trying the mandatory insurance thing, pretending they don’t know full well that NOBODY would write such a policy. Does anybody believe the NICS records are actually destroyed?

                • Beowulf

                  Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. AC is a bat-crazy neocon-nutjob. She needs to be spanked, and spanked hard then sent back to the trailer house she came from.

                • Dick

                  “a bat crazy, neocon nut job”
                  sounds like an Alex Jones name calling job, you can do better

                  HOWEVER!!!!, the thought of spanking, or being spanked by AC, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM………. that’s a whole different issue, sent to her trailer???? most are spanked and sent to bed without their supper

                • JM Denver

                  Ann Coulter – Hot and Articulate + spanking. Yes please! And have an argument with me while you’re at it…

                  BTW: “bat-crazy neocon-nutjob” sounds exactly like something a liberal would call her.

              • BlueH20

                I keep hearing about the VA offering a 9-week in-patient course on PTSD management. This is sweetened with a disability pension after completion.

                I have also heard that if your wife is being treated for stress, this can then be used against both of you for firearm ownership due to an incompetent person in the household.

                Who isn’t stressed and angry in this present-day situation?

                • Professor Higgins

                  BlueH2O: Do you have any actual proof of these courses being offered? And unless I’m mistaken, the wife is not entitled to anything from the V.A. unless she too was in the military. Now if she is being treated privately, that’s a different situation altogether. Still, I find your hearsay story highly speculative. No offense intended.

                • hammerhead

                  TRUE @BLUE H2O
                  i have heard the same .

              • brain dead

                Not interested in posting on boards, but I do read them when possible. I just have a message for those who enjoying posting as a hobby.

                The plan was set forth years ago and now it’s your decision. You need to find friends if possible, because alone your a sitting duck.

            • Semper Fi y'all

              I keep seeing Xs on doors. Wonder what that means.

          • sixpack

            I can’t wait for the legal challenges to start coming in. I hate to say this, but they’ve been doing this to older people for years. As I’ve said before, if we allow the government to single out any population for shit like this, it will splash onto another population, and then another, etc…this proves my theory.

            Expect it to expand quickly, if they get away with it.

        • Gods Creation

          “””Suffice it to say that, under the DSM-5, anyone who visits a psychiatrist, psychologist … could be deemed incompetent or mentally unfit “””

          I might say that someone who visits those types actually is incompetent. They are the ones who have been indoctrinated so extremely they are unable to think for themselves. If there is a problem the last place they will look for help is themselves.

          Those who will be helpful to the cause of freedom stay away from those types by their nature. The vast majority of us will remain armed and happy.

          It is all heading toward critical mass at some point in the future. The corp will try to avoid it at all costs, but sooner or later the people will start protecting their rights by the use of lead projectiles fired directly at those who attempt to take them.

          Until that starts to happen, they will not slow down their efforts. The first few Law Enforcement actions by a Man, against an officer, will awaken the masses and the minions to the reality of the world.

          Sides will be chosen. Much of the corp sheep will have been disarmed and no threat to the prepared. It is the rights of those sheep that can be violated, not the rights of Men. We shall stay armed despite the best efforts of those who wish differently.

          • Bob

            The “mental health profession” is the only part of the medical industry that insists on, on a regular basis, treating people against their will. You can bet that anybody (who has insurance of some kind) who walks through their office door is diagnosed as mentally ill and in need of treatment. This is simply a way of locking up people without any due process whatsoever.

            • JM Denver

              “Mental health profession” indeed. Didn’t the “Father of Psychology” Sigmund Freud want to screw his own mother? How is that for a ringing endorsement of the craft…

              I for one will stay away from clinics and Dr’s who worship the fraud.

        • Live free or die

          I believe this goes much deeper than we can imagine. They are preparing for something so atrocious that it is never spoken. Very few are privy to what is actually going to happen but many others in power do have more than an idea of what is to come but are too afraid for their own sake to speak of it or even think of it.

          When you see them making odd moves whether it be disappearing from the public view or vacationing at odd times, this may be the clue as to when.

          Normally I would dismiss this as more of the same and they will kick the can down the road for an eternity but not now. Something is definitely wrong and the people who know of it are helping to perpetrate it. They are believers that the end justifies the means, at any cost, whether it be human life, human dignity or vile acts against God. Something is coming and they are getting ready.

          It is time to outsmart them, be ready for them and do not let your guard down for one moment. I never imagined that I would think or feel this way but I do and I am not swayed easily. This is real in my opinion and the time is fast approaching.

          • Gunny MC130

            Locate the traitors now. Know where they live, vacation and plan to bug out to. Make your plan now. I know of one state dept/CIA goon just bought a cabin in our zip code last year…. very strange, 30 miles to the nearest gas station and 90 to the grocery store. Pop goes the wessel.

            • clint hospo

              This is to live free or die hard,, We know these bastards work together a lot of times,and I’m saying this out loud and not to you it just makes me think about your paragraph. We see on TV them talking down one another etc. We see investigations darrell issa(forgive the spelling) open cases against Eric holder but nothing ever gets done! Nothing happens really. They say things about each other but if they really didnt like the other side I think the words they would use would be much stronger. And I know this is said on TV but its the same, you never hear someone from the GOP say, Obamas a straight out traitor and we want him gone! Sure they would demonize there party for saying that but the NDAA and these laws, agenda 21 and other issues are both accepted by both parties. IF they truely hated each other im not suprised there are fist fights between these people off the air. They know with food prices/gas prices this is driving people out of work, out of money and out of patience with each other. Your right they know something is going on but they are not fixing America and its so fricken obvious!

              It can’t really be this simple that they are destroying this country just for them to gain power or to win the house in 2016 etc or whenever it is. They know its killing us and they do nothing. This to me seems they know either a major war, a major shift in something or riots etc are going to happen soon. I don’t think sandy hook was a inside job at all. I think that really happened by that kid. But I do believe things are going to be a domino effect soon with trucks not delivering, strikes etc. It doesn’t make sense and I don’t know if they are trying to time politics with the economy, war etc but there is no way not with there best computer models, smartest people, uncertainty in the world that they can control a slow breakdown of society. there are way too many varibles to change or to happen. Do they know something like a breakdown in stock markets? Why do they have gold on the yahoo headlines asking is this the end for gold or vise versa. Uncertainty in Greece, war etc. Why if Obama is so destructive does he continue to remaian in power? The elites? Why would a few for millions more when they are already rich destroy america or be a pawn for a few to let their children and millions of people suffer in the future or not even have a future. Why would they allow this to continue. Or how about obamas kids. If he;s a pawn for some bigger power controlling america, why would he let this country go into hell or riots just to please a few people in the world. It doesn’t make any sense and why the attacks on us so quickly. The only thing I can think of that makes common sense is, last year many thought we would be collapsed by now. I didn’t think so and from their talks and speeches and affordability to live, I would give us 3 years or less and with the timing of new laws they want to pass. That is my guess. 3 years tops or less. I’m thinking we probably will be hitting dec 2013 with the car on fire going over the finish line. I don’t know.

              • JayJay

                Clint–could the greed be about resources?
                Destroying the population through starvation, plagues, and other means allows them more…of everything.
                More water, more food, less polluted air, etc.
                But, another angle is when the worlds collapse financially, TPTB will swoop in and buy residential land, commercial properties at very little cost–10 cents on a dollar??- and gain control of everything??
                This is how they gain control. They don’t own it all now, but is this their aim?

                • BigB


                  You could be right but some thing has value if there are people who desire it. If the population is reduced then it stands to reason that it’s encentric value would go down as well. I am kinda in the CH thoughts camp. I just don’t see why this is being done to the citizens.

                  I don’t remember a time such as we are experiencing. Ever week at the least there is some thing else happening that is a move against our rights. I too just do not see where this is all going.

                  It is like the Sequester. You all realize that no one in the government is being laid off? At the very worst some government workers will be cut to a 4 day week. They will also be eligable to draw unemployment compensation for that 1 day they are off. Why are they just not laying off 3% of the work force like any private company would have? That is any private comoany that was not union. Crazy!

              • Piper Michael

                The compromise is the goal.
                The Hegelian Dialectic.
                Thesis, antithesis = synthesis.

                Haves vs Have nots.

                Otherwise known as; the Kabuki theater of the damned.

          • vicious rodent

            must we wait till they are breaking in our front door before we identify the enemy and defend ourselves?wouldn’t it be better to take the fight to them?

            • clint hospo

              I think so as well, we should go to a city meeting with all the people together and tell these politicians of all states, I dont care even nY and Ca that we will not obey or lay down our guns regardless what size rounds they hold or what it is. if we have never caused any problems then leave us the hell alone but if you push this or try to pull me over and snag us one by one or at the gun range ticket by ticket, arrest by arrest, then loss of property and profits for them, like getting a dui(never had) but you get pulled over for drinking then arrested and fines etc and now you dishing out 8,000 bucks and loss of use. That is what I believe is going to happen. They will make this into profits and try and bullshit the people and say its for the children! we all know its not. They dont like guns and dont want us to cause any problems or get in their way not one bit. That is what I think is going to happen in future and I fear that people or many will give up. What do you guys think on this?? We need to start supporting even other states that are starting to get these guns banned. We can’t just let them take over state by state and change the rules. We have to support all areas and get these people out of office for good by any means. We are not starting any problems or did anything wrong, they are the ones that need the lesson taught to.

          • Slick

            Live free or die,
            My God, you nailed a perfect analogy!
            That is the exact story line of all of the Harry Potter movies/books!
            Voldemort, the name of the Evil sorcerer that would not be spoken!
            His topic was avoided at all costs until he was Killing people in public,
            and leading his army against society out in the open that people
            agnolaged it. By then, it was more or less too late.
            Normalcy bias on a grand scale.

            • Live free or die


              Where is Harry Potter? We need every believer in the constitution to step forward and not move back one inch. Every inch they try to take from us; we step forward two more.

              God Bless America, especially now in her time of turmoil and chaos.

          • Robert

            2 billion people world-wide are going to die in the flesh. ww3, famine, disasters, disease and so on. it will all come to a head and be unleashed. when it does 1/3 of the world dies. 6th trumpet, 6th seal, 6th vial. when the world goes into utter chaos that is when THE antichrist appears. satan himself cast down and put on display for the world to whore after. why do you think they push the whole superhuman stuff so much or the alien dna mnaipulation stuff? just yet another preparation for the world to fall into deception and worship the devil himself. make no mistake this is about the soul and always has been. who wanted to take God’s place? who lead the charge against God? who was bound and released and gets cast down to earth? he will have his 7 thousand fallen with him as well. revelation tells us all exactly what happens.

            • don't tread

              Amen, brother. You got it. 99.9% won’t believe it Robert, until it is “in their face”. They follow false teachers that say Revelation has already happened or that they don’t need to understand it since they will be “raptured” away from the earth before all hell breaks loose.

              I know better, and am seeing the stage set before my very eyes. The world has been taught that a flesh man walking the earth today, will be the antichrist. Wrong!
              Lucifer has too big of an ego to let any flesh man sit in Jerusalem and claim to be the Messiah.

        • tayronachan

          “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” Benjamin F. I really like this one.

          There are several forms of government that disarm their citizens. Four that come to mind are;
          1) Socialism
          2) Communism
          3) Fascism
          4) Oligarchies

          • common sense

            There are only two types of government.
            Democracy- rule of the majority, also known as mob rule
            Oligarchy- rule of the few or the minority

            That’s it.

            Every government in existence today is an oligarcy.

      • Piper Michael


        The tree is thirsty… almost parched…
        I hate to say it will soon be time for watering.

        Let us pray the water of life flows more from the tyrant than from the patriot.

        • BadAmerican


      • Prepperpah

        The next step will be to claim ‘potential terrorists’ cannot bear arms. The list of activities and beliefs belonging to ‘potential terrorists’ is all encompassing. Followed to the letter of the law, it would disarm every citizen.

        Has anyone considered the media implications of the ‘potential terrorist’ traits? The list enables government to claim any drone strikes are against ‘potential terrorists’ no matter the target. A public which is unaware of the definition of a ‘potential terrorist’ would think US drones are batting 100% in favor of liberty, when in fact they are batting 100% against.

        • Legion5440

          when its time to bury your firearms, its time to use your firearms.

          >>My name is Legion for we are many. Expect us. <<

      • Arby

        IF you have any doubt about why you should be armed and prepared to defend yourself and your family…
        Please take a few minutes to read this article and watch the video.


        Actually it is worth your time anyway.

      • Fucking pissed

        Go ahead and send some folks to handle my affairs. I will kill them and burn their stinking corpses to a crisp.

        • roger

          tell us how you really feel……….;)

          • Fucking pissed

            I said exactly what I meant.

        • AO1(AW)

          The Gulf Stream isn’t too terribly far from where I live. Just saying.

      • Grasshopper

        Beautifully said, Nightmare! I say, “Go F___ yourself, NWO Fascists!”

        I’ve noticed these people CONSTANTLY twist things around– just like in the book, “1984”, where “black is white and white is black”! The TRUTH of the matter is, according to statistics, there are significantly more psychos at the top of the economic ladder (Wall Street Terds, etc.) than regular citizens. They’re all sickos– otherwise they wouldn’t have this inordinate drive to dominate, control, and destroy.

      • durango kidd

        All politics are local. You are responsible for the US Constitution in your “neighborhood”.

        Make a “to do” list. Check it twice. Know who has been naughty and who has been nice. A day will come when Patriots rise up as one and restore America.

        At the top of your list should be those who actively campaign for the abolition of the US Constitution. Conspirators may be added as time, opportunity, and ballots permit.

        Payback is a MF! 🙂

        • Piper Michael

          When I google Washington’s vision…
          I get a hoax from the 1850’s…

          from a guy that never was in Valley Forge, written by a guy with pseudonym…

          You got any ‘definitive’ data on it?

          • durango kidd

            PM: It is always difficult to know the truth of ages past. You are a man, with a spirit of discernment to separate fact from fiction. Believe it or not, as God gives you the light to see that light.

            Go within.

            Naysayers and commies will always attempt to rewrite history to suit their Agenda and debunk anything that advances American leaders and patriotism. That has been true since the beginning of this nation; or even the Gospel of Christ.

            OUR founding fathers were not saints. They had faults just as WE do, but they were inspired to create a nation under God with liberty and justice for all; a nation with a political structure designed to liberate every human soul within its boundaries to achieve their dreams, pursue their individual happiness, and develop the talents God gave them. It was a nation unlike any since ancient Greece.

            If this Vision is a fable or fiction from an inspired author trying to move his audience at a specific time in OUR history, it is an amazingly accurate one PROJECTED for OUR time.

            Co-incidence? I don’t think so. As with all other things, judge for yourself.

            If not US, who? If not now, when? Engage.

            • JustOneGuy

              Evening DK, Piper…

              One of the places that presents the most comprehensive version of the Tale of Washington’s Vison is at;


              The provenance therefor is described there as well.

              While you’re there – the both off you – look around a bit. All of it is interesting, the Hopi stuff is both interesting and eery when you’re familiar with the background, thier history. I’ve yet to see quite so much piled up into one place anywhere else. Have a good one Y’all…


              • Piper Michael

                Dk, JOG,
                Roger wilco.

                will post on it later, I know about the Cherokee and Hopi prophecies.

                @the cooking mom,
                do not ascribe deception to passion, he is not advocating shooting anybody ‘first’. He knows the deal, the ballot box until FIRST Blood, then the tree is watered.
                Our job, is to not allow first blood to slip by into the ether without being seen. Preferably with video and witnesses, live, undeniable with deception and malice aforethought.

              • durango kidd

                JOG: Thanks for the link. Yes, its ALL there and everyone needs to read it ALL so that they can put everything into perspective.

                Its time for Americans to get their head and ass wired together, and that in line with their mind and heart. The events that will spark these Changes will be upon US soon enough.

                Fore warned is well armed. Engage.

                • durango kidd

                  cooking mom: I have long advocated here for political action, not violence, encouraging everyone to multiply their voice by joining a group: organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote. Thus “engage”.

                  I still do.

                  Gun confiscation is the line in the sand for me, as WE all know what happens to populations who surrender their self defense.

                  I also like to point out to the DHS Cyber Squad who monitors this site, the real challenges the PTB will have in implementing a gun ban and dictatorship. After all the NWO could be eliminated overnight by Seal Team America, and at 1,000 yards.

                  That is not an exaggeration.

                  I point to Washington’s Vision so that folks here understand the necessity of retaining their means of self defense.

                  Particularly since His vision was more than 235 years ago. I have NO doubt that it was given to Him to give to US, that WE might be encouraged when the fabric of the nation and OUR very existence will be challenged.

                  OUR “third great struggle” as a nation will emerge with the Changes that are about to occur. I strive to give my readers courage and assurance that if WE will only apply OURSELVES to defend OUR Constitution and OUR faith, victory is certain.

                  Knowing that victory is OUR deliverance will help US prevail.

                  Everyone will need to be their own leader at that time: confident, brave, and determined. It will take a strong spirit to face the difficulties that loom ahead.

                  The more time that Americans have to think and decide how they will respond to the eventual dissolution of their liberties, the better off all of US will be.

                  Americans need to understand the severity of the Changes so that they will not be surprised, but prepared psychologically for them. To many these “changes” will be such a shock as to render them numb and incapable of action necessary for their own self preservation.

                  For the rest of US, the Changes are a call to action to preserve the nation and OUR Constitution for OUR progeny.

                  If not US,who? If not now, when? Engage.

          • the cooking mom

            Thank you.
            It would seem dk is eager for one of us to “engage ” first.
            Just doesn’t set right with me.

            KEEP PREPPIN’

            • Piper Michael

              To repeat;
              @the cooking mom,
              do not ascribe deception to passion, he is not advocating shooting anybody ‘first’. He knows the deal, the ballot box until FIRST Blood, then the tree is watered.
              Our job, is to not allow first blood to slip by into the ether without being seen. Preferably with video and witnesses, live, undeniable with deception and malice aforethought.

        • Gunny MC130

          Colaborators are the key and should be dealt with first. They are the local key and carry the water for plug and play politicians.

          Watch the DVD Lawless about moonshiners 1930 time how weird is this Chicago mobsters corrupt local cops in KY.

          Watch the DVD Defiance about how Nazi’s corrupt local non-Jew copsto turn in local Russians. Both movies are based on true events and are directed well.

          Fast forward to today and your local, who will they deputise to help, those are the folks that need nutrilized quickly.

        • Bosco Gives You Energy

          Once again, three thumbs up…I borrowed one. Right now, I am organizing my building through our HOA. It looks like it’s for weather emergencies but what I am doing is getting folks used to working with each other, trusting each other and getting used to the idea that “normal” people prepare. We are also reaching out to our neighbors to propose a group property insurance plan. Again, we’ll be working with those we would never normally meet, gaining their trust and helping to insert ourselves into situations where we will be the most well prepared, well informed and decisive when the time comes.

          People want leadership but the trust comes first. Be working to develop trust among others; don’t worry about preaching the stuff we see here. We all know it but it is pointless to waste your energy. Talk about “saving money”, “electrical outages”, “big inflation coming” whatever it takes.

          Be smart. Be subversive. Be ready.

      • Gunny MC130

        We start taking them off the earth from the top!

      • Gunny MC130

        Locate the traitors now before they vanish and keep tabs on them.

      • Feisty Old Broad

        Once harm has been done, even a fool understands it.
        (not homer simpson)


      • No violence!

        Dude I just reported your post the the Police! They will come and bust your door down and take all your GUNS AWAY cause you just made a public threat! How really dumb are you? You are so dumb that you have to post threats online? Haven’t you heard the pen is more powerful than the sword. Gun bans are in place cause of people like you. Trust me buddy you will be found cause when you left a post your IP address was left. Say good bye to your guns buddy…. 🙁

        • Feisty Old Broad

          Well then NO VIOLENCE….hope you report me as well…maybe you can get a couple extra nickels by stating in a forum how you “turn” people in….sad example of a human being….is YOU
          ps….I actually think you are nothing more than a little boy playing on someone else’s computer….even more sad, that….

          • Angelo Mysteriouso

            I Heard that Snitches Get Stiches! Not sure if true?

            • REB

              Naw…thats a rumor…they get skinned alive and left for the critters…stitches cost too much in good thread and time 🙂

            • AnonLegion

              yes angelo it is.

              Snitches get stiches, you rat your cut over your left eye so that stiches are put in place. Everyone who sees you in the jail with the stiches kicks your ass for being a snitch.

              • Angelo Mysteriouso

                Anon: Yes I know this too from so many biker bro’s that ended up in prison I think I quit counting how many around 25+!…Some were set-up, but most did stuff to get tossed into prison. Them in Clubs usually get protected good. They got plenty members on the Outside world to avenge them if necessary. They are kinda like mafias just with harleys instead of caddys! Probobly got more $$$ than mafias also!

        • JustOneGuy

          @ NV

          I am led to conclude that either;

          a) You forgot the /SARC tag


          b) You are, in fact, a ‘fucking’ moron

          As with all such things we’ll be waiting for your clarification with ‘baited breath’………….


          • John W.

            I think he was giving a warning in a subtle way to be careful what you post. It is the tall nail that gets hammered down.

        • quick

          You should be careful – I know some IT guys(it’s not just police) that know from your IP address, where you are !!!

        • quick

          Let me clarify a little – You are right – anyone can be found with an IP address.

          I know some IT guys that may be capabale of doing just that and I’ve read this type of thing is possible by anyone with the knowledge.

          Point is – Be careful – Police are not the only ones capable of finding someone by using an IP address.

          • Semper Fi y'all

            Xs everywhere, thick as commies.

            Semper Fi

          • John W.

            The stuff the NSA has will blow your mind. They can get in anywhere and trace anything. It is already installed in Explorer,Windows and other OS plus anti virus products.

        • roger

          Your IP address was left also you fuggin piss ant. beware your door gets kicked in too, shit-for-brains.
          Gunny MC130 is right, take them off the planet starting at the top, then we’ll find smelly little turds like you to cover the big ass hole we push their corpses into. How do you like us now?

          • Angelo Mysteriouso

            But we here Know where we are already so no need for police. Nor IT guys.

            • REB

              JOG…Angelo…stop it guys…havent you any decentcy!?…youre supposed to be”SCARED”….he’s gonna track your IP addresses an call the cops on you and,and,eh.. well somthing really bad might happen…and you dare make light of it?…my God fellas…quick,apoligize!…maybe itll forgive you…or you risk getting a picture sent to you of “it” in its underwear sitting in its mommys basement…youve been warned …glad Im not you fellas!….mmmmwwwwaaaahahahahahhah! 😉 (sarcasim off)…sorry guys, couldnt resist 🙂

              • Angelo Mysteriouso

                REB: Thank you. I did not know these were the Rules!

        • Highspeedloafer

          That works both ways Buddy. There are several on here who can track your IPO as well. Be careful what you do, You may live to regret it!:)

          This is for NO Violence.

      • hamilcar

        It so glaringly appears that Aldous Huxley and George Orwell were NOT fiction writers at all..

        and Roger Waters’ The Wall was just not a work of art.

        The harsh reality of where we are now is truly a living nightmare day by day..

        and documented well ahead of time..

      • cire512

        Okay, what did we all expect? We asked for tougher “mental compentancy” standards or something of the kind to lets say, weed out the crazies after Sandy Hook. Just who did you/we think would be the arbitrators of this? We got what was asked for. they have us over a barrel now.

        The real question is, just how far will we let them push us? We don’t have to bend over and take it!

      • Paul K

        woah look out, weve got a badass here.

    2. Say When

      This vet says:
      Sometimes it seems that there is not a day goes by that I don’t add to the list of TPTB that can kiss this hillbilly’s royal rear end. Then I begin to realize that they would probably enjoy it.


      Splinters in Her Crotch

      A woman from Los Angeles who was a tree hugger, a liberal Democrat, and an anti-hunter,
      purchased a piece of timberland near Colville , WA. There was a large tree on one of the highest points in the tract. She wanted a good view of the natural splendor of her land so she started to climb the big tree. As she neared the top she encountered a spotted owl that attacked her. In her haste to escape, the woman slid down the tree to the ground and got many splinters in her crotch.

      In considerable pain, she hurried to a local ER to see a doctor. She told him she was an
      environmentalist, a democrat, and an anti-hunter and how she came to get all the splinters. The doctor listened to her story with great patience and then told her to go wait in the examining room and he would see if he could help her.

      She sat and waited three hours before the doctor reappeared. The angry woman demanded, “What took you so long?”

      He smiled and then told her, “Well, I had to get permits from the Environmental Protection
      Agency, the Forest Service, and the Bureau of Land Management before I could remove old-growth timber from a “recreational area” so close to a Waste Treatment Facility. I’m sorry, but due to Obama Care they turned me down.”

      • Piper Michael

        Coffee up the nose… AGAIN…

        • Angelo Mysteriouso

          I recall aprox 15 yrs ago when some progun guy was interviewed on some msm tv show, and the totally feminazisit woman that interviewed the guy stated something like. “well owning firearms means you have the needed things to make you and other gun owners Criminals”

          To which the guy replied to her. “And I can tell, as a woman You have all the necesary things to be a Prostitute which is also criminal”!

          Then while her mouth was agape in shock the guy quickly added “Of course,you aren’t one are You, a prostitute I mean”?

          It went viral when it was aired!

          • Piper Michael

            Now that, is a quick wit…

          • Eisenkreuz

            Dem hos shouldnt be let out of the house wo a Burqa and a chaperone.

      • Ted Kennedy

        That was no recreational area. Somebody somewhere was damn tired of it.

      • Grasshopper

        I’M a Tree Hugger and proud of it. And no, I don’t eat meat/hunt. HOWEVER, I also hate the Fascist bastards who have taken over our government and trying to destroy the Constitution. They want us divided, it helps their cause. Its not a matter of right or left; its a matter of FREEDOM OR TYRANNY!!

        • Ted Kennedy

          I like trees too. I think the only thing Me-Bell should front run is for “everybody” to plant a tree and she could say she actually DONE something while POTUS was in office.

      • Gregory8

        Say When: Nice, it should be a taste of their own medicine. The problem with some people is that they’re keen on telling others how to live but don’t expect to have to live by the same rules.

        • Say When

          Thanks Greg8
          sock it to em baby!!
          just one ohio buckeys speaking

      • Kulafarmer


    3. Semper Fi y'all

      VA needs an ass reaming. Vets are the ones to do it with a little help from their sons and daughters.

      Semper Fi

      • Lead, Follow, or Get out of the way!

        I’m afraid these people are going to piss the wrong person off who will then demonstrate to the idiots that it doesn’t take a firearm to reap havoc.

        The Coward of the County wasn’t what he seemed.

        • wreak havoc

          Putting Piers Morgan in his place!

          When the government is allowed to disarm law abiding citizens, don’t expect them to be there when needing to defend yourself.

          Their motives are obviously nefarious and have nothing to do with preventing Sand Hook, Luby’s, Aurora, or any other mass casualty incident. Because, as you said: “it doesn’t take a firearm to reap[sic] havoc.”

          But, they sure come in handy when you are needing to defend yourself against perps. Like the girls in the video said.

          So Tommy, don’t let nobody mess with your Becky!

        • Semper Fi y'all

          Finns showed Molotov the way in 1939.

          Semper Fi

          • Eisenkreuz

            They’re good at kiling Jew Bolsheviks, those Finns. But their country is cold.

      • Bob

        Yet another reason to avoid the military. As soon as you are not part of the machine, you become the enemy.

    4. PO'd Patriot

      I tell you what to all the veterans out there. If shit hits the fan and you can’t get a firearm to defend yourself, I’ll damn sure hook you up with ammo to boot.

      • Boss Hog


        • Semper Fi y'all

          A fire team of about five men is about right. Two with heavy weapons, the other three carrying extra ammo, armed with .30s or better, one with scope.

          Vets without stuff will be led to prepared caches for supplies.

          Semper Fi

    5. Chris45

      One way TPTB are avoiding a face to face armed conflict, by pulling this backdoor psyche bullshit. They know that a fight with us is futile at best so now they are ajudicating mental illness as a means to disarm.Well fuckers in power, Come and take them. I’ve had it with this shit.

      • John Q. Public

        Remember that the tribe has long experience weaponizing psychiatry against its enemies.

      • Burrow Owl

        “Although we may not know it, we have, in our day, witnessed the birth of the Therapeutic State. This is perhaps the major implication of psychiatry as an institution of social control.”

        An Inquiry Into the Social Uses of Mental Health Practices,
        by Thomas Szasz, (New York: Macmillan, 1963, p. 212)

        • Semper Fi y'all

          Szasz got it right.

          .gov is on its way to outdo Stalin and murder by gulag, psycho babble leading the way.

          Counter it with a five man fire team, well armed and supplied.

          Semper Fi

      • Bob

        .gov will continue the one at a time raids as long as it works for them. They hope the wheels don’t come off before they get far enough along.

    6. REB

      The tail now wags the dog….time for a serious “docking” to take place in America…the states have been usurped…time to renegotiate this contract called the union/federalgov.

      • 41MagMan

        It is indeed, my southern brother. The states are very likely to be a strong defense against federal tyranny. They know and understand how easily the Feds slip from governing to ruling, a distinction that seems to confuse them lately.

        Tyrants don’t trust anyone. They can’t afford to because in their hearts they know what a PITA they are and that MANY would like to be rid of them… and SHOULD be. If they persist in treating our heroes like common criminals, every young person out there should refuse to serve, under any conditions. If a few thousand people refuse, it is no big deal but when 10s of millions refuse to serve, THAT is a big deal. It would be the 2×4 smack upside the head that WOULD get their attention.

        The DHS comment about “right wing extremists” is especially bad. What? There are no left-wing extremists out there? Well, maybe not. Maybe they are all in the Gov now.

        Hell, I thought that only communists and other scum of the Earth types resorted to using psychiatric hospitals as political enforcers. Looks to me like the Obamunists are showing their TRUE color and it is RED.

        • Zoltanne

          Left-wing extremists? Off the top of my head Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dorne, Ward Churchill, Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda… Should we compile a list?

          • Gunny MC130

            Let’s take the time and list them all. It will give us something to look forward to.

            • roger

              valuable targets, one and all.

          • Tucker

            I’m about as hard core ‘conservative’ and ‘right-wing’ as anyone I’ve ever met, and I am here to say that I getting sick and tired of hearing people on the so-called ‘right’ shoveling manure on top of Jane Fonda.

            Granted, she is a lefty and a liberal and probably a borderline Communist – but, if anyone thinks that the Vietnam war was worth the lives of 58,000 or so of our military guys – the vast majority of whom were White men, or the vast amount of our tax dollars that were stolen from us in order to fund and fight that war – which, history clearly shows we were LIED INTO visi via the phony Gulf of Tonkin baloney spewed out of the LBJ Administration – then such an individual is complete imbecile and doesn’t understand the Big Picture at all.

            Fonda, despite her preponderance of warts – deserves a little credit, if anything she did helped to bring an end to that criminal enterprise. All Vietnam accomplished was to get a lot White men killed for no sensible reason and to allow a lot of well-connected treasonous rats in blue-suits in D.C. and in the military industrial complex world to engage in war profiteering and get filthy rich while our guys were getting their gonads shot off in the jungles of Southeast Asia.

            • Zoltanne


              Fonda supported the Black Panthers and Huey Newton.

              Fonda was a big-time activist in Feminism.

              Jane Fonda is a Communist. Maybe you don’t care for the fact that she’s lopped into the far-left category but she belongs there by her own actions and words. And she’s aligned herself with Communist/Progressive causes.

              • Piper Michael

                She will forever be Hanoi Jane to us vietnam vets.
                Tucker I agree, LBJ was the biggest bastard on the planet, but Hanoi Jane… was a traitor.

                • Eisenkreuz

                  Another stupid war with no meaning or purpose. You losers couldn’t win that one either. Let’s waste more money on another stupid war. There’s always another Bogeyman.

                • JM Denver

                  @ Eisenkrutz

                  Whether you believe in the premise for the war or not is irrelevant. Our war machine will continue to prosecute worthless battles over useless prizes in the name of Democracy and Freedom, without truly believing in either, and there is nothing you or I can do about it.

                  But you do not give up your own people to the other side. Ever. That’s treason, traitorous, whatever word you use to describe it. You don’t do things to put your guys in more danger, period. It just isn’t done. Not at the military level, not at the civilian level, not at any level.

                  Hanoi Jane did not just protest the war, she met with the opposition and gave them information leading to the death and torture of many of our own men. For these crimes she needs to be remembered at the least, and truly needs to be tried in court.

                  Just my $0.02 for what it’s worth.

                  Bring on the thumbs!

                • Piper Michael

                  JM Denver,
                  Tell it like it is…

                  The boys doing the job are a completely different subject from the old men creating The Job.

                • Piper Michael

                  You sir, are an ass.
                  We never lost a battle, we didn’t lose the war.
                  It was the communists and the media people back home that lost that one.
                  It is a separate subject as to whether we should have been there in the first place.
                  No we shouldn’t have, but, we shouldn’t have gone into Iraq or Afghanistan either. After 911, we should have just turned Kabul into a glassy parking lot and called it good.

              • Tucker

                I will try once again to post a perfectly legitimate reply to Zoltanne and to the rest of the Fonda critics. For some odd reason, my first attempt at this post was never approved on a site that claims to not believe in censorship.

                Well, if you’re fully committed to the guilt by association principle – then what label would you put on the millions of White European idiots who voted not once, but twice – for a known Communist (Obama) and allow this evil guy & his Communist cronies to have 8 years in office whereby he could aggressively work to destroy what’s left of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, finish resurrecting a totalitarian Police State that will make the old USSR look like a a Club Med vacation resort, allow him to deliberately flood our nation with millions of social entitlement craving, low skilled, poorly educated aliens from the third world who will be totally amenable to the Communist-Marxist-Socialist ideology that consumes this evil guy and now, he is working overtime to figure out how he can disarm any of us who aren’t keen on his Communist takeover agenda?

                I gave 36 years of my life to the defense of this nation and the entire time I was doing so, Communism was our #1 enemy – and yet, my stupid and apparently brainless fellow Americans showed me and millions of other men who’ve served – their gratitude by voting to put a Communist into the White House?

                How is Jane Fonda any better or worse than the typical Obama voter?

          • John W.

            How about Gore,Clinton,Kerry,Lautenberg,Christy,Feinstein,Boxer,Schumer on and on ad nauseum.

        • Bosco Gives You Energy

          People should be raising holy hell with their governor and state reps, on down to sheriff if appropriate. A fairly good sized city near here just adopted a resolution that it would not enforce any law that infringed on 2nd Amendment rights.

          This will not be won easily by lone wolves, but the worst can be headed off if the sovereign states begin to stand up to the federal leviathan. You should praise those state officials that take a stand and demand the others do the same.

          Politicians and popular issues are like flies to shit…they can’t help themselves. Give them a reason to champion the Bill of Rights in your state.

        • Mountain Trekker

          41Mag, sure hate to disagree with you, but you sure can’t trust the states to be a defence against federal tyranny. Wyoming is considered to be a Conservative State, but when the sheeple elect typical main stream Republicans, such as Gov. Matt Mead and he appoints a Democrat AG that makes recomendations, to gutless Wyoming Republican Senators that follow Obama’s lead, then you have no defence from the Feds. Wyo. HB104 the fire arms protection act was passed by the house by a super majority of 46 to 13 and was sent to the Senate where it was gutted by 3 Republicans, by adding amendments after they conferred with the AG a Dem. appointed by Gov. Mead if I may repeat. It was already known that Mead didn’t want to deal with this bill. And as I posted in another comment yesterday these turncoat Republican are. [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] They will be remembered. Trekker Out. Honor Few And Fear None

          • JM Denver

            This truly sucks. I was hoping Wyoming would lead the charge in this fight against the unlawful Fed. We are looking at buying some property up there due to the increasingly anti-gun posture of my home state.

            Colorado went blue this time around and now we are facing even more anti-gun legislation from a liberal majority in the house, senate as well as liberal governor.

            Do what you can locally and at the state level, I fear the Federal Leviathan can only be starved out at this point. Head on resistance may be hopelessly futile, but maybe we can feint and dodge and hide from the thing until it runs out of steam.

      • okiefeller

        the rise of the south,amen.

        • Jenn


      • Kulafarmer

        Most state govs are no better than the fed

        • Be informed

          @ Kulafarmer. Other than those few state governments that have decided that they will NOT allow the feds to violate the 2nd. Amendment. Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana are three states that will be the last states to fall to anything that would take our rights away to defend ourselves from enemies both domestic and foreign.

          • Mountain Trekker

            Sorry BI, seems you can scratch Wyoming. If you read my comment, posted just a couple of comments ahead of yours, you will see what I mean. Since they only take 2 or 3 hours to clear a comment made on this site, you probably did’nt see it when you posted your’s. Trekker Out.

    7. BigB

      So many veterans have traded the right to own a gun for a few pieces of silver per month that the Veterans Administration offered if they would just say that they have Post Traumatic Syndrome (PTSD).

      Every time you see your primary care physician they make note of your mental condition and if needed they recommend you to a shrink, just to sort things out, then they got you. You just got treated for a mental disorder.

      Now they will report all veterans with mental problems no matter what the degree just to be on the safe side. That is the end of that veteran legally owning a gun again.

      Dirty bastards. Should of seen this one coming when Janet Napolitano declared all veterans with combat training as terrorists in 2008. They just keep on painting everyone into a corner, group by group so they can take us out one at a time.


      BigB is getting angry

      • Jim

        8 Veterans a day kill themselves. Some do need that help; I realize its hard to imagine but some really do need the help. The sad thing is our government wants to attach that help to their individual rights. That is because in some rare cases those people shouldn’t have guns now – yes – I dare say in a very few (1/200 according to my wife who is a licensed counselor for the VA) are mentally ill to the point where they should not be permitted to own / have access to a gun. In 3 years working for the VA she has not lost one – came close two weeks ago.

        • 9er Xray

          My compliments to your wife for her efforts. As a Viet-Nam Vet 68~69, I personally have done all I could to avoid the VA Hospital. That is not because of the staff, I just do not want the mega-intrusion and “gotcha punji stake” regulatory chicken manure. The very thing this article speaks of.

          So to my fellow vets & patriots, stay healthy, remember well your training and believe in Duty, Honor, God & Country. Treat your fellow citizens with respect and be courteous.

          We all see what the real threat to this nation is.

          • Piper Michael

            Amen 9er Xray,
            I didn’t want anything to do with their so called ‘benefits’…
            With Ocare, I’m concerned, now that I’m ‘poor’, that I will be forced into that system. As I wrote in previous thread. It will then be time to ‘play the game’…
            No guns.
            No depression.
            No anger issues.
            Nope, nope, none here.
            I have it on good authority that lying to the gov is a righteous act.

            • Angelo Mysteriouso

              Piper: Polititions Always play the “I do Not recall” game. That way if later investigated and found that they did something…They cannot be charged with a Lie. All it was is I don’t recall. If it works for them…..

              • Piper Michael

                I have a feeling that is the ultimate catch 22…
                a game only won by politicians. For the rest of us it goes something like…

                “You don’t RECALL if you have a gun?”
                “Does it make you angry that you can’t remember things?”
                “I don’t know… should it?”

                “No, its fine, don’t worry… we have a nice bed for you… ORDERLY!”

                • Hands in His Pants

                  New law in northen state: mandatory reporting of lost or stolen guns.

                • Angelo Mysteriouso

                  Piper: Or Loaded questions like “Do You Still Beat your wife”?…Answer: “I Never beat my wife! But may consider it if she ever gets as butt ugly and fatassed as Your wife there in the front row”.

            • JayJay

              I am not depressed.
              I am not suicidal.
              I do not own guns.

              VA visit next Wednesday.

            • Zoltanne

              Piper, Open a small Amish church and request the waiver for Obamacare.

              • Piper Michael

                I HAVE considered it, by the creation of a TRUST. And, selling all my goods, properties and stuff to it, thereby rendering myself penniless ‘on paper’.
                If we were to ALL do that, and supported each other by having our own network, I wonder if we could get away with it.
                Thus, we ‘hide in the rock of ages’.

                • 9er Xray

                  PM – Excellent planning. I suspect we all will be poorer sooner than expected. It will all be by design.

                  BTW we get some thumbs down just for a POSITIVE posting. The “keyboard Obamite trolls” are bored tonight.

                • NetRanger

                  Piper Michael, there is already a network like that. Its called “Christian Healthcare Ministries”. I have serveral friends in it. It nullifies Kenyancare and it seems to work well. Its not insurance and they only ask for a gift of $85 a month. (They have serveral “levels”) Google them and join. Its not quite what you’re talking about above but similar.

                • Piper Michael

                  Will check that out.
                  But, was thinking of taking it to a whole new level.
                  Its called leaving The System.

                  If you think about it, there is no way to Go Galt in this country… there is no magic shield or hidden valley anywhere outside the purview of ‘property taxes’. That’s where they get you.

                  So, we are thinking of using the same loopholes that the rich use to beat the tax man. If I can do this, and then get a Federal warrant on my land as being a ‘Swamp wildlife preserve’, then there is no way the bank, or the county, can do anything with it…

                  We would like to investigate this avenue more… if there are any like minded folks around, doing it as a group effort, would be a lot easier.

                • Piper Michael

                  We end up simply being a trustee and steward of the ‘preserve’.

                  In essence you end up ‘poor in spirit’. In the Greek, that meant becoming deliberately poor.
                  Today, its called Going Galt.

                • Zoltanne

                  Piper, the legal avenue of placing properties into a Trust is something my husband keeps mentioning. In the back of my mind, though,is the reality that if the Feds want something they don’t have, can’t they negate any legal instrument previously defined and filed?

                  The “swamp land” designation — wouldn’t that be along the same lines as a “conservation easement” or a “land trust”?? If so, I believe portions of the land use and zoning that is defined in Agenda 21 addresses these things.

              • REB

                Just another way barry the bassturd is trying to divide us…making a group of people into special citizens who are exempt…sorry barry but this Native born Cherokee/Irish rebel hillbilly farmer wont be forced into your danged collective.

            • Eisenkreuz

              When that little shitstain Holder stops lying we will too. Never give a black man any responsibility.

              • Piper Michael

                Well we agree on something, but word it correctly…

                ‘Never give a black man any responsibility over WHITE people’.
                I have seen the results of this, and it seems to mostly go to their heads. Not always, there are good ones, but they are under the 80-20 rule.
                The HNIC is a perfect example of the 80%.

        • Just In Case

          Thanks for sharing I’m sure there are some Vets as well as some non vets that shouldn’t have guns. I know a few myself that shouldn’t have a gun. We just have to watch out the goverment doesn’t abuse the that power. Thanks again for sharing!

        • Bob

          I hear that military personnel are fed as many antidepressants as they will eat. I suspect that this is the root of the suicide problem.

          • Sunshine

            Not only that, but I had a military friend who couldn’t get approved for an overseas assignment because they said he had a “sleep disorder”. He couldn’t believe it–he had reported having sleeping problems for a couple of months and been put on Ambien and it was used against him. He said it was a real eye opener and made him think twice about going to the doctor for anything.

      • 41MagMan

        Yeah, they are painting alright but it is not us who is in the corner. They have not figured out yet that when they, at long last, have separated out everyone they consider undesirable, they will be ALL alone and will have a LOT of angry people giving them some VERY hard stares.

        This BS is nothing short of political persecution. It stinks and it IS so obvious that it is pathetic.

      • desert_rat


        You hit the nail on the head… The “free” PTSD money has a price. I actually heard a Sgt telling his guys to make sure they claimed PTSD so they would get a larger disability check. I am in no way saying that PTSD is not a major issue for some, but lack of true diagnosis and not explaining the consequences of a diagnosis should be provided to our boys (and girls)…

        DR – still putting together an exit strategy…

        • John Q. Public

          Since an “executive” declaration by BATFE in 2010 Medical Marijuana patients also lost their gun rights.

        • Bob

          I know of no medical test for any “mental disorder” The whole “chemical imbalance” bit is horseshit. If an imbalance cannot be shown by a test, how do you know when a proper balance has been achieved?

      • TxRNGR

        Janet Napolitano declared all veterans with combat training as terrorists in 2008. Then she should understand that we all have specialized training from close quarters to snipers. She should be worried. 2000 meters isnt that far with 10 rounds coming a 1 time. This method was utilized for extreme distance, thus guaranteed success!!!!

    8. VRF

      oh but they were competent to fight their oil wars, risk thier lives for this government and thier crooked ways,, but with one swipe of a pen they are rendered defenseless?

      Shame on you US Government,, shame shame same

      i wouldnt expect anything but this from them pukes..they never took good care of vets to begin with.. take it to thier door step vets.

    9. AmeriKan Nightmare

      The Veterans Administration is where American Veterans go to Die !!!

      All Veterans Beware …

      V.A. = Eugenics DeathCare Death

      Eugenics DeathCare Death = Veterans Administration

      All Veterans should seek proper safe All Natural based Health Care from “Private” Health Care Givers Only , the V.A. will only poison you with cancer causing radiation , BIG PHARMA drugs laced with arsenic and other heavy metal toxic poisons , kill you with ineptness .

      Seek all Healthcare Psychcare Social-Services outside the V.A. System from a Guaranteed All Natural Private Health Care Provider , if you want to Live a Healthy normal life again .


      • Piper Michael

        Don’t agree or disagree, but, don’t want to give them the chance and find out.
        (Too much funny business in their ‘system’. But, I have a buddy who is very satisfied with the new local VA Clinic. Not so much when he has to go to the Big House.)

      • Grasshopper

        That’s right, Nightmare!! I stopped going to doctors ages ago! I’ve been studying natural healing for many, many years… too many stories of people dieing/getting worse from going to main stream doctors… plus, tons of books on the despicable, corrupt pharmaceutical industry!Actually, that’s how my mom died–from medical malpractice. Drugs and surgery are invasive, dangerous practices, which often simply cover up symptoms temporarily.

        • mallardhen

          Couldn’t agree more with the natural healing medical practices and stay away from the mass produced drugs so many of the Dr’s push down your throats. I am 75 and take no medications I use herbs and natural cures and have for over 50 years, have a very hard time making people believe my age. God made us and put us on this earth do you really think he wouldn’t provide for us in a natural way using the plants he also created. Using plants and herbs I have for my own family and others healed a lot of sicknesses and injuries successfully and will continue to do so as long as I can. I am not saying their is not a place for todays Dr.’s for some things but think about it why are all thes plants and herbs here on earth if their is not a reason other then they look pretty.

      • JayJay

        Fine for you AmeriKa…but for many of us it is THE only option.
        The insurance 20 years ago for dh was $600 when self-employed–can you imagine with a history of open heart surgery, 3 strokes, carotid surgery, hypertension since age 26?? what the premiums would be now??
        We’d be lucky to get medical for $5000 a month??

        • JayJay

          Just two medicines he was prescribed last week when he experienced another stroke, Lipitor and Plavix, are priced $120 and $180, and that is generic!!!

          Brand names are $239 and $262…$501!!!

          We are at VA’s mercy!!

    10. VRF

      they are doing this because they know the vets will uphold thier oath..and know how to fight …
      this is a preemptive move, and everyone should heed this as a major warning..

      • 41MagMan

        This is yet another shot that is being fired in “the quiet war” that is being waged against patriots by the mooch class loving lefto-communists. I would say “shame on them” but… they have no shame, so it would do no good at all.

        What will do some good is to support liberty loving political candidates, especially those who do not desire a permanent job in politics. The US House is in a perfect position to serve as a blocking force to prevent the Obamunists from achieving anything dastardly in their 2nd term. They should not even bring up for a vote ANY gun control nonsense at all. In fact, they should be drafting legislation that rolls back most of the gun laws already on the books that are ineffective, expensive, and infringements of our 2nd Amendment rights. When questioned about it, just say that this is how Harry Reid does things in the Senate, so it must be good for the House to do the same. Then move on to doing other things of considerably more value.

        • Bob

          The Obama cheerleaders in the house and Senate think they will be part of the ruling elite, but after considation of power, elimination of potential political opposition is always part of the plan. Obviously none of them were history majors.

      • Grasshopper

        What we have is a Fascist takeover. IMO, a coup occurred when Bush was illegally placed in office. That’s what we’re dealing with–plain and simple. Fascism. And we better get ready to fight because they are not going to just leave us alone.

        • John W.

          How was Bush illegally placed in office? hanging chads which are not valid votes no matter how much BS is spread. hanging chads which resulted from twenty or thirty ballots at a time being punched and not all the chads getting knocked out. With people as dumb as you no wonder the left is winning.

    11. Eisenkreuz


      • What's going on...

        Why do I get the feeling you are a chick or a grumpy old guy with yellow stained arm pit tshirts?


        • JustOneGuy

          @ Wgo,

          Geez, ain’t that the truth…I’m about BLIND from his persistent CAPS LOCK……..


        • Gregory8

          What’s going on: Yeah, really. Big E sounds like an old woman going through menopause. Take your estrogen sweety and calm down. Must be the hot flashes.

          • Eisenkreuz

            “sweetie”, not “sweety”

            You inbred rednecks should visit a library. Its free, you know.

            • VRF

              might wanna be careful with your insults, it could be an inbred redneck that saves your hide…(or not)

              shotgun, rifle and a 4 wheel drive, counrty boy can survive

            • Professor Higgins

              Eisenkreutz: Gregory8 is correct and it is you who are in error. Both are proper spellings of the word meaning ‘dearest’ or ‘darling’. Just as colour and color, and civilization and civilisation, are both correct. They can all be found in Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary. It appears it is you who needs a trip to the library because your little pocket dictionary is obviously inadequate to the task. The library staff will to more than happy to help you find the dictionary in the reference section. Good luck and tah tah.

              • Eisenkreuz

                No they are not both proper. “Sweety” is a British spelling. This is not Britain.

                • Professor Higgins

                  Eisenkreuz: You ignorant and arrogant little horse’s ass, where on Earth do think English came from? You must be the inbred little redneck you spoke of earlier. The words I presented are all in the English dictionary, hence they are acceptable. No one is incorrect for either spelling, it’s just a matter of preference. You are undoubtedly one of the most backward savages on this planet. You undoubtedly never read the history of our language and how it came to be. You are probably one of those bunpkins I hear from time to time in America who think the King James Bible and Shakespeare were written in Old English. How does it feel to only semi-literate in the only language you profess to know?

                • John W.

                  How would you know you semi literate dickwad?

            • freeamericanpattiot

              It is Not free moron. Tax payer funded. Maybe one day you will understand.

              Sorry folks, I dont commen very often (bout once a year) but when people say something government provided is free, I just want to smack em.

              Whew, I feel better now. Back to my bunker.

              FAP out


              Molon labe

              • Angelo Mysteriouso

                PROF forgot to include the word “BE” in his final sentence..5-Demerits for Prof know it all eh.

                • Profeeor Higgins

                  AngeloM: I stand corrected, thank you.

              • JuustOneGuy

                @ freeameraicanpatriot,

                Bravo Friend…I get so sick of hearing that I could vomit. How long will it take for people to get that there is NOTHING FREE in life…whatever you get at no cost to you COST someone somewhere. Nice to hear from you ‘free’.
                Stop in and say ‘Hello’ as you can!


              • Professor Higgins

                John W: So you too must have thought, or still think, that these works in the English language are “Old English”. You’re just another backwoods bumpkin as is that cranky Eisenkreutz. How pathetic a creature you must be to not even know the one language you do speak. As some of my younger American friends would say, “it must suck to be you”.

      • eeder

        you are absolutely correct eisenkreuze.

      • Piper Michael

        Now I know, YOU’RE just a YOUNG’UN. Thus the source of your passion, and often irrational conclusions, as well as poor spelling.

        As much as I should curse you back, I won’t.
        You don’t go far enough back in your little history rant though. The ‘police state’ you mention… did it start soon after the Constitution was ratified, as the new Fed gov enacted something called the Whiskey tax. Which caused something called the Whiskey Rebellion, in which several gov agents were killed. Did it start during the civil war when ‘rebels’ attacked the Fed gov, and afterwards during the Reconstruction when the police state you mentioned, was imposed by Washington? Was it a ‘police state’ that murdered whole tribes of native Americans with bio warfare when they gave them blankets infected with small pox? Or how about after the legal drinking of alcohol was made illegal? How about all the dumb dopers rotting in jail cells today? Or the innocent deaths as collateral damage from drones, soon to come to a home near you?

        So when did the Police state begin? Was it those evil Whiskey rebels, or the confederate patriots who were pushing for a return to ultimate states rights, or was it those dumb indians who were so divided into tribes that they let the white man take their whole continent? The generation after WWII who lived through the cold war, and accepted all manner of common sense in order to protect us from the Red tide? Now we have Arab terrorists as the buggy man for fooling the DGI, so the say I see it, it ain’t the Baby boomers who are the PROBLEM.

        It is evil, pure and simple. And when you centralize power, evil is attracted to it like moths to a flame. Thus centralized power becomes absolute power, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

        This all boils down to the books of Samuel, when God told us He did not want us to have a King… but we had to have a King… so how’s all that King stuff worked out for ya?

        • Eisenkreuz

          I know all about Frye’s Rebellion, Ayer’s Rebellion, and the Whiskey Rebellion you dickwad. I dont need you screw-ups to tell me anything. You learned from Glenn Beck the drop-out drunk and I learned from reading. The real police state started with the Patriot Act that you fucktard Republicans had to have to “keep us safe”. Eat shit, you old people. Move to Cuba and Castro will “keep you safe”. We live in a society where no one can do anything for themselves. The men in this country shave their vaginas and sit down to pee.

          • Eisenkreuz

            Did any of you idiots ever realize that the four major rebellions of this country, namely Frye’s Rebellion, Ayer’s Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, and the Civil War, were all fought over taxes?

            • Grasshopper

              Do you realize I don’t give a damn?

          • Piper Michael

            I thought you actually reasonable at times, and were just drunk.
            You’re now in the ignore bucket with finx and JoeinNC.
            Good bye asshole.

            • Eisenkreuz

              Kiss and make up?

          • Professor Higgins

            Eisenkreutz: My, my, it seems that Gregory8 is also correct about your psycho-sexual state. Your anger coupled with your foul language, along with the mention of female genitalia, suggests a severe hormonal imbalance. Therapies are available. Best of luck, Sweetie/Sweety.

            • JM Denver

              A rare example of mental imbalance precluding the allowance of any kind of firearm to remain in the possession of this individual. One of the 200 mentioned previously perhaps?

          • Grasshopper

            There should be a comma after, “Glenn Beck”.

            (P.S–You really should get some exercise: you seem fixated on females’ private parts!!)

            • Eisenkreuz

              No there doesn’t need to be a comma.

        • Zoltanne

          Eisenass went off the meds. And he’s pissed because Momma won’t buy the Friday night pizza.

          • Piper Michael

            Hi Z!
            Yup, I notice he never responds to me, just gives me the thumbs down treatment…

            • Bastet

              And I wish no-one would respond to him! Stop feeding the troll!

              • Piper Michael

                No worries about that anymore…
                He has shown his true colors.
                Him, finx and JoeinNC, now go into ignore land.

                FBP and NINaO…
                QUIT your pissing matches, or you too will end up there.
                Both of you have something intelligent to say once in a while.
                Say it.

              • Eisenkreuz

                I AM NOT A TROLL

                • Piper Michael

                  Then behave like a human being and you will be treated as such.

                • Walt Kowalski

                  The lady doth protest too much me thinks.

                • tyrannyandtraitors

                  Well, I do believe the truly dangerous police state started with Bush and his UN-Patriot Act. Deny it if you want but it is true. Baby Boomers like my parents and their parents before them were busy believing the lies of FDR LBJ and the idiot Carter. They voted for these commies. They are now reaping what they sowed. Is this not partly true? Yes, the police state, or military/industrial complex was here before then. Did Eisenhower not warn us of such? Eisenkreuz unfortunately makes some valid points. He should not be completely dismissed. I said some, not all. Having said that, Eisen, settle down. Communicate in a normal tone and stop the caps. I see the validity in some of your arguments, some, but you will never get people to listen or debate with you if you are CAPPING and unreasonable. We need everyone we can find that has any sort of patriotic mind. Me may mot agree completely but we need to get along and fight our common enemy. That would be this tyrannical behemoth we call the federal government. OK haters, add your comments…..

                • Gregory8

                  Eisenkraut: Are TOO… a troll.

                • AnonLegion

                  troll is not as in troll under a bridge, troll is as in trolling for a bite. It is a fishing term since you are fishing for replies. Most of the people here and in most blogging think it is troll under the bridge. So no your not a troll your a Fisher.

                  It has been asserted that the verb to troll originates from Old French troller, a hunting term. A verb “trôler” is found in modern French-English dictionaries, where the main meaning given is “to lead, or drag, somebody about”. In modern English usage, the verb to troll describes a fishing technique of slowly dragging a lure or baited hook from a moving boat. A similar but distinct verb, “to trawl,” describes the act of dragging a fishing net (not a line). Whereas trolling with a fishing line is recreational, trawling with a net is generally a commercial activity.

                  The noun troll comes from the Old Norse word for a mythological monster. The word evokes the trolls of Scandinavian folklore and children’s tales, where they are often creatures bent on mischief and wickedness. The contemporary use of the term is alleged to have appeared on the Internet in the late 1980s, but the earliest known example is from 1992. Early non-Internet related use of trolling for actions deliberately performed to provoke a reaction can be found in the military; by 1972 the term trolling for MiGs was documented in use by US Navy pilots in Vietnam.

            • Eisenkreuz


              • Piper Michael

                I will await patiently, and give you a chance to scroll through previous threads…
                and give you a chance to redeem yourself.
                But, your recent comments concerning the deaths of innocent millions, and being happy about it, and calling people names, and correcting spelling with bad spelling corrections, has, pushed you over the line into trolldom.

                If you wish to repent, and apologize to others you have greatly offended, you are given an opportunity. I won’t speak for them, but I give people chances, think of it as reincarnation…

                • Anonymous

                  Then shouldn’t you give the same chance to the other two you also mentioned?

                • Piper Michael

                  I do not respond to ‘anonymous’.
                  But just this once, other two?
                  They have been in pissing matches for awhile now. Which I stay out of…
                  I’m warning them for other people, that are fed up with pissing contests detracting from Mac’s site.
                  Mac is decent enough to allow us to comment and form community, he gets the hits and the ad volume and pretty much stays out of it, so we ourselves need to be the forum mods, or it will all blow up as good people go elsewhere in a hissy.
                  Can’t have that. Too decent a crowd in this place.

                  Now, change your name, to a ‘name’.

                • eeder

                  piper michael, who died and crowned you king?

                • Piper Michael

                  Not me, you too seem to have reading comprehension problems sometimes.
                  I said, I speak for others who I am in contact with off the board.
                  If you look at the commenting policy below, you will see that Mac politely asks for civil discourse, but he does not ban anyone, he leaves that up to us via the thumbs.

                  Whether you know it not, a thumbs down brigade is present. Both good and bad, but it appears, the good guys outnumber the bad guys.

                  The only thing that really gets under my skin is when trolls slam on Ms. Daisy, NP, BI, JOG and others who are the true soul of this site, who contribute greatly. And then newbies come in with attitude not know any history.

                  Newbies, lurk before you post, and you will get along just fine. There are many who do this, and they a fine folks. You will notice it is you young’uns with attitude that get ignored.

              • PO'd Patriot

                Eisen, your pendullum swings pretty far each way. One of these times it’s not going to rebound but wrap around your neck and choke your lights out.

                • eeder

                  @piper michael. you are just over the top. tell me more about how it is here at shtfplan. Tell me more about the heart and soul. You fucking clown! Shove it up your ass with a blowtorch sideways. Fucking asshole.

              • RedPine

                Respond to any topic put forth on this forum that you
                care to. Just understand we are a like-minded group of
                friends with a strong sense of patriotic duty with the
                common goal of freedom from tyranny.

                Young or old, male or female, we are all one community
                gathered here as Friends of Liberty. We do not tend to
                gnaw on each others various personalities, but instead,
                direct our energies against those who would subvert us.
                Friends do not spit in the faces of friends.

                • don't tread

                  Agreed RedPine. Since we are talking about “our” freedoms as US citizens, that are granted “freedom of speech” under “our” constitution; I think it is fair to say that foreigners need to STF out of discussions amongst ourselves.

                  More specifically he who goes by “eeder” a canadian.
                  Stay the f’k out of our business. Our constituition hasn’t been changed to give canadians any voice/vote here. When you attack one of our own (Piper Michael) you attack the rest of us.

                • Piper Michael

                  Piper weeps tears of joy, don’t tread.
                  To be included as one of yours.

                  May the Force be with you.

              • Dick

                Eisen you are the reason parents eat their young. Does your mom know your on the Internet?

      • kaynine

        You know Eisenmeister!!! Your comment regarding the “SUPPORT OUR TROOPS” slogan had me thinking.
        some time ago,what if??? this was a conditioning program???. support,support,support,Do not queston your support for our troops, they know whats best.
        And all the sheeple said YES!!!! We do support our troops, and anyone who looks like troops, we will not queston,we will follow all orders given by our troops,while being led to the fema camps. think about it? just thinking.

        • Rick:)

          Eisen K..

          Small doses dude. Your eyes are open. But US old farts have been conditioned for a long time.

        • Angelo Mysteriouso

          Kaynine: yes I agree. Think back to when bush jr began intense crys to invade iraq and afgan. At once and all of a sudden we all were swamped with fox in the lead, then cnn and all other MSM’s trying very hard to convince all americans to support tropps regardless what truth was.

          All MSM’s trotted out old vietnam era protest scenes again, while telling us how hippies and kommie leftists all so hated vetrens and returning vets fron Nam.

          While yes it is truth that did happen and many leftists spit on and called baby killer names to our Nam vets alot. It is quite obvious if you think of how all a sudden it became almost a Fasion statement to wave china made small usa flags and hang out at airports to shake the hand of total strangers as long as they were Military or Nat Gaurd.

          I have zero doubt it was a true psyops agenda and still is today. Ever since afgan and iraq with bush jr it became almost the same to question Anything Military or Wars, that you are equated the same as a Raysssiiisss if you do not fall in line.

          Disclaimer: I do support usa military, My Father was a Vet from WWII and Korea both. But I also refuse to blindly support phony Wars like we see today.

          I find it difficult to believe today with so much info available, that we still see so many usa citizens who do such Blind support as long as they heard it on TV MSM or Fox or CNN Trots out some warmonger ret. general to tell us its good to invade nations who have not harmed us nor will likly ever be able to do so.

          • Ugly

            Angelo….today’s wars are fought for another agenda. A world-wide agenda. Our troops today are not fighting for American survival, but for something else. Young men and women are losing their lives for something else.

            Today’s youth should go to college and skip the military.

            Let the new American Communists reinstate the draft.

            I don’t know how many countries we are in now, but basically it is the World minus China, Russia, and Iran. Soon maybe?

            God Bless the Veterans.

            • Eisenkreuz


              • Daisy

                You are treading dangerously close to the party line of the Westboro Baptist “Church” with that comment. God doesn’t hate anyone.

                While I also have a dislike of war, I take the veterans one by one. I don’t respect them merely because they are a veteran – but because of the person they have become and the honor they display. Some of the finest people I know, including my father, are veterans. Are they fine people merely because of that fact? No – there is far more to a person than the 5-10 years they spent in an the occupation of “soldier”. I also know some veterans that have disgraceful morals, no honor, and who write everything off to “just following orders”. These people are not in the group I hold in esteem.

                Generalization is the sign of a lazy mind, and I think you are smarter than that.

              • JM Denver

                Actually number 1 is “Thou shalt have no other Gods before me”

                “Thou shalt not kill (commit murder – look up the original meaning in aramaic)” is number 5

                You shall not murder sometimes translated as You shall not kill, KJV Thou shalt not kill, is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah, specifically Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.
                The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt. The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.

                • Piper Michael

                  Too many are lazy now days, and just accept the Illusion of the Authorities.
                  We must peel back the new meanings of words, to reveal the old, in order to discover truth.

                • Eisenkreuz

                  I stand corrected.

                • AnonLegion

                  jm sorry but you did not read the 5th comandment in aramaic no one did.

                  The majority of the old testament was in hebrew.

                  The first human author to write down the biblical record was Moses. He was commanded by God to take on this task, for Exodus 34:27 records God’s words to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” And what language did he use? He wrote in his native language, called Hebrew.

                  Hebrew is one of a group of languages known as the Semitic languages which were spoken throughout that part of the world, then called Mesopotamia, located today mainly in Iraq. Their alphabet consisted of 22 letters, all consonants. (Imagine having an alphabet with no vowels! Much later they did add vowels.)

                  Almost the entire Old Testament was written in Hebrew during the thousand years of its composition. But a few chapters in the prophecies of Ezra and Daniel and one verse in Jeremiah were written in a language called Aramaic. This language became very popular in the ancient world and actually displaced many other languages. Aramaic even became the common language spoken in Israel in Jesus’ time, and it was likely the language He spoke day by day. Some Aramaic words were even used by the Gospel writers in the New Testament.

      • Mountain Trekker

        Eisenkraut,or is this Sybil? Your shouting, what kind of impression are you going to make on the other side, your English is great but your profanity is terrible. Please be civil, your making us look bad. Oh Yeah, I think the younger aged voting block, went for Obamay, and probably for most of the past Liberal Presidents, that gave us Big Government. So Please don’t attack us old folks. But we still love you! Thank You. Trekker Out

        • Eisenkreuz

          College professors all supported fascism in the 30’s. The universities in Germany had a huge role in the development of the Holocaust, look up the Institutes for Racial Hygiene. Now they try to expergate this history. Today the all-knowing college professors beat socialism into our heads. However, I have personally been involved in huge libertarian rallies on college campuses recently. I think an awakening is going on at some level.

          • Prescott

            Eisenkreutz: Fine, name some of them if you can. I call bullshit! As for your delusion of libertarians rising, it only shows that you’re new to it. There is no ground swell or awakening at colleges or anywhere else for that matter. I first learned about libertarians in 1980. I’ve actually had lunch with Presidental Candidate Clark and spoke with him at length because I was a party member in my state and campaigned heavily for our candidates. He won 1.06% of the vote in 1980. The closest the party has come to that was this last election where they got a whopping .99%. Hell, Gregory8 thinks you’re some crabby old woman going through menopause but I can tell you’re just a kid by your lack of knowledge and experience.

            • Piper Michael

              Eisen doesn’t listen, he spouts invective.
              I believe, the closest anyone has come to making an impact on the two party system, is Ross Perot at 19%… in ’91-92 was it?
              That represents the Awake level of this country, back then… what is it now?
              After this last election, with millions of conservatives staying away from the polls entirely, I think the awake level is rising.
              The Black Caesar did not ‘win’ this election in the conventional manner, he was handed it by the folks who said ‘F* it’.

            • Eisenkreuz

              Name some of what? Who said anything about libertarians rising to the level of a majority? It is public knowledge I am young, so what?

      • brain dead

        I agree, people can’t accept the truth.

    12. Stinky Steve

      Of course our government doesn’t want our veterans to own firearms! Our veterans are the highest trained marksmen on earth! Our D.H.S.are inadequately trained and that’s why they need billions of bullets! Game On!

      • George Gefferson


      • JustOneGuy

        @ SS,



    13. cjmartel

      Every day there is some new wrinkle, a new twist to further restrict our lives, now we veterans are going to be labeled incompetent by some puke in an office a thousand miles away based on God knows what type of criteria. I believe we are now fast approaching the terminal breaking point, an economy in the crapper, an administration with all the morals of an alley cat, and now thanks to that traitor Roberts, we now have obamacare which will be utilized to strip what little remaining liberty we have from us. We have the state of New York passing the most draconian gun laws in the nation with a midnight vote!! I swear, I am going to kick the next idiot that tells me we live in a free nation, we live in nothing but a debt fueled cage, time for the Three percent to take their posts.

      • sixpack

        An alley cat knows when to go find another fence to howl on all night. Politicians just try to legislate against throwing stuff at midnight noise makers…

      • Bob

        Sorry to be the one to say it, but USA NEEDS a cold reboot. The hard drive may be unsalvagable and in need of reformatting. Too many files have been corrupted.

      • Angelo Mysteriouso

        CJ: Yep, america has been and continues to be turned into the same as former Soviets Russia was. I read once that back during soviet rule of russia a person had so many hoops and gov agencys to jump thru that it took 14-16 yrs on Avg. Just to be “Approved” to buy a new car!

        And that folks there got “Used” to it all since Loans were also not avail. and it took on avg the same time frame of 14+ yrs to save enough cash to pay for new car!

        Like 3rd world mexico ET AL today(and who knows for how long now) it is the Normal way to do everything by Paying gov agents Bribes for most all they do. While also awaiting tons of paperwork and hoops to jump thru.

        I do wish we can convince massive numbers to not just say NO to antigun crap laws, but also refuse flat out to obey 99% of ALL such BS laws today. As You stated it is now each day that goes by we see Another intrusion and law and means to do what we used to simply…Do.

    14. Jim

      My wife is a counselor for the VA. She has already seen more than 10 veterans refuse to let her help them with PTSD or anything else out of fear of losing their gun rights. Nice job Federal Govt. Way to screw with those who gave all they could for you.

      • TrailGuide

        My thoughts, Jim. Is this just a work around to get the battered to fore-go treatment. Would this not stew a terrible brew in a Vet that could benefit from some help. Is this a work around to not pay for ‘injury’ or is it a trigger to send someone on edge – over the edge? Many questions never to be answered for this evil, corrupt group. I shutter at the souls who have given until it is indescribable are now receiving this trash in the mail.

        I am sickened by the number of those who had honorable reasons; yet have perished at their murderous hands.
        My only solace is I know ‘they’ will; each and every slimy one them, will pay when the reckoning is counted. I leave thoughts of how justice will be meted out to the Lord.

        Bless your wife for her efforts.
        ~,,~ /tg

        • JayJay

          Call me conspiracy queen, but I think something is being given these young men to cause such a rise in suicides.
          Do they encounter anything any harsher than those in other wars??

          • Daisy

            Jayjay ~

            I could completely see that happening. They are forced to have vaccinations or to take pills at any time the forces see fit. They have signed themselves over, body and soul, to be the property of the US government when they join the military.

            Who is to say that some little piece of microtechnology is not injected during one of those inoculations? Or some other type of medication given that messes with their mind?

            What a “wonderful” budget cut for the VA – dead soldiers don’t require health care or pensions, do they? 🙁

          • ed

            No JJ they don’t but the other ones came home to a free country with oppertunities.

            • JayJay

              Agreed, and had families intact for support.
              That is another factor missing.

    15. JoeRepublic

      Keep a spare for a veteran near you.

      • Zoltanne

        Damn right!

      • sixpack

        Gun owners are refusing to obey their unconstitutional “laws” as we speak—what makes them think anyone is going to think twice about ignoring yet another unconstitutional “law”?

        • RedPine

          To the DHS….. “We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Badges!!…..

      • sixpack

        I just bought in threes…and I live alone.

    16. Say When

      I seem to remember in the movie Patriot with Mel Gibson when he and his son are recruiting for their group of patriot militia, they go into the local pub and there are some of roughest, toughest, veterans of the French and Indian War. Son says to Dad–“We don’t need this type, Dad says, “This is just the type we need.”
      When the SHTF, I would proudly share my duty rifles with a vet.

    17. George Gefferson

      Charles Whiteman, Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McViegh….

      • JoeRepublic

        MKUltra Patsy, MK-Pandora Patsy, Complete Volunteer Patsy

      • Mclovin

        Charles Whitman, not Whiteman. Know your history before you make a half-baked comment about it,cocksucker.

        • George Gefferson

          But I didn’t make a comment…just listed some names.

          Sorry they made you think of sex.

          You might want to get some therapy.

          • Mclovin

            Ok George. Why don’t you jump off the top story of that deluxe apartment in the sky too.

    18. freespeach

      I know how many of you feel about getting off topic but here is a bit of information about Obamacare bill.

      I got this email yesterday:

      Wednesday, it was discovered that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare, there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms
      It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.
      According to that amendment, the government cannot collect “any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.” This means that the government CANNOT mandate firearm registration. No registration, no confiscation. Poor ol’ Joe Biden, he spent the last couple of weeks focusing on making a law requiring registration. Good thing is though, the amendment also states that not
      even an executive order can override the amendment
      CNN is now referring to it as “a gift to the nation’s powerful gun lobby.”And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), that’s exactly right. He says he personally added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010.
      I researched the document and found on page 2037 sec. 2716 & 2717 which goes to page 2040 and it is a very interesting read. It does talk allot about the 2nd Amendment.

      Just wanted to share that with you all and I hope that maybe Mac Salvo might see this and do an article about it, since the lame main media is not reporting about it.

      Thanks ya all.

      • JRS

        Thanks, freespeach for bringing this up…however, a while back, I read the text myself. What it DOES say is that doctors, under the ACA, cannot compile records of patient ownership of firearms. It doesn’t restrict another government agency from compiling records or using ACA mental diagnosis to determine whether they think a patient is competent to own a firearm. It really is just a toothless attempt to convince the public that ACA will protect gun rights. It won’t. They always word their codes and statutes to allow themselves an out. CNN is running cover for Obama.

      • common sense

        Second amendment.
        Everything else is simply toilet paper.

      • MXLord327

        Freespeach – no it only means they cannot do it under the guise of 0bamacare. It will still be done, just under a different govt group.

    19. Burrow Owl

      Question for the Powers That Be:

      Don’t you have any original ideas of your own?


      Joseph Stalin already did this years ago.

      • Eisenkreuz

        Then dont need to change tactics. People learned absolutely nothing from the Bolsheviks.

    20. DiveGerl

      Let’s get this show on the road already! Once the first shot goes off in this endevor- that’s all she wrote…all HELL breaks loose!

      • Piper Michael

        Moral high ground demands FIRST BLOOD to be drawn by the bad guys.
        Then you have CAUSUS BELLI.

        Calm down, and keep your eyes open.
        This group of fascist socialists have learned their lessons from the past. They won’t do much blatently, they will do it with ‘laws’, until they have all the power. Then the velvet glove comes off, and then loosing all hell will be allowable.

        No matter what you do at this point, you, will be the bad guy.
        Feel free to break some windows, and burn down some facilties, however, don’t hurt anybody and you’ll be a hero, not a heel.

        • Grasshopper

          They aren’t really passing laws; they’re passing legislature. If something goes against the Constitution, its UNLAWFUL, and therefore not law! Just keep a copy of the Constitution with you at all times!!

          • Piper Michael

            “All political power emanates from the barrel of a gun.”

            I would suggest you understand the full meaning of the above statement grasshopper.

            • RickInOregon

              “All political power emanates from the barrel of a gun.”

              this is the reason for gun control, there can only be one political power and in the mind of the progressive, all other political thought my be extinguished.

              • RickInOregon

                typo correction. my be extinguished should read, must be extinguished.

            • Grasshopper

              Might doesn’t make right… and that’s the point!

              • Piper Michael

                Might, contains its own rightness within.
                It matters not if it is morally reprehensible or against God given rights and natural law, it simply IS.

                This, in and of itself, is the REASON for the 2nd amendment. It is the guarantor of all the other rights of the minority in a republican form of government. As long as they pay lip service to the Constitution, and politics as usual is the Game, then that is the restraint on individual action.

                But, this president has now stepped outside that boundary with his flouting of law and courts. He has even made it known, that Congress is irrelevant to his plans.

                This is the dividing line between ‘politics as usual’ and ‘politics by other means’.

                The tree is thirsty, it is groaning in its parched condition. It will soon be time for politics by other means. But the good is restrained, as the bad pushes us into a corner, provoking you. Do not be provoked.

                So far the good guys are holding the line. In NY that line has been crossed, and may turn bloody. Wait for it.

          • Semper Fi y'all

            “A law which is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void.” Marbury vs Madison.

            Semper Fi

        • BigB

          I agree with every word you just said Piper Michael. Very well put.

        • common sense

          How many piper?
          How many times?
          How many fellow citizens beaten by government thugs?
          How many killed?
          How many imprisoned?
          How many “rights” stripped away?
          How many overt acts of treason?

          You are a fool to think opinions will change.
          The people who are today fighting for “gun control”, reasonable restrictions, socialized this, mandatory that will not awaken after the next step of tyranny, they will cheer it and beg for the next. They will call you terrorist today AND tomorrow. They want this. As much as thos at the top are the enemies of freedom so are those at the bottom who raise those to their position and cheer on the actions they take.

          First blood a thousand times over has been drawn, from the whiskey rebellion to ruby ridge and a thousand thousand times we will never know of.

          • Piper Michael

            common sense,
            That was my point.

            History lessons, do not qualify as first blood.
            And you are right, its hard to say what would qualify as first blood in this environment. Too many idiots with media in the tank.
            Even if we were to have a full scale Boston Massacre, would that qualify if it were on youtube? probably not. They would suspend some officers and give them a slap on the wrist.

            Whatever operations gov concocts, it will be sure to be put in the light of righteousness.
            That’s why my whole thing, is to just withdraw from The System, and form our own system.

            • common sense

              So your point is that because tptb and a sizable percentage of americans will always perceive violence against dissent as acceptable and violence from dissent as unacceptable that dissent simply cannot use violence?

              Are you actually in your roundabout way arguing that government does have a moral monopoly on violence?

              So you will withdraw and allow them to choose the time and place to bring down violence against you and yours? Where they can choose to bring excessively superior firepower down upon you for some percieved or created wrong against the system. So that the faithfull can hear about your downfall as some elimination of a vile nest of vipers hidden and growing within their more perfect union.

              What do you plan on accomplishing by surrendering the battlefield? Do you think they will leave you alone because you preach leaving them alone?

              The long train of abuses is here. All evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing. So forgive me but it sounds as though you are suggesting we do exactly that. Nothing.

    21. 22Mission

      We must Stand together . Not one more inch . Stand . Keep your council . Calm before the firing starts . Stand tall one and all .

      Semper Fi .

      • Heretic Historian

        @Amerikan, that is a very likely scenario within a larger scenario. What’s missing IMHO is a false flag trigger. A cyber attack that takes down or severely limits the internet is very likely as it serves two purposes. First, it leaves MSM as the only narrative to “explain” what is happening. Second, it gives preemptive cause for war, particularly against those that would call in their notes on our debt. In other words, it will be the offending country’s fault our economy crashed (lol). While a global scale war game begins to play out, all of the other scenarios in the link you posted will be going down. We will simply be too preoccupied at home to care about the global conflict and will be thrust into it regardless. This will eventually bring war to our soil. Throw in some predicted cosmic events like C/2012S1 to ramp up the ominous effect, and we might even see the Revelation script played out (but not with the same results we are told).

    22. RedPine

      This is more UN,NWO bullshit!
      The Bozo In Chief doesn’t have the brains for this.
      Neither did Bush League before him.
      Both sock-puppets for the New World Order.
      Two sides of the same coin. Heads or tails.

      • RedPine

        “Chimp or Chump”, take your choice!

    23. BadAmerican

      They tell their story…

      ….this gun on my hip tells another.



      • Bob

        “Boy, I ain’t gonna take any o’ your lip
        while I got this here cannon tied onto my hip…”

    24. Kevin2

      I may get flack for this but in these times you have to be nuts to join the military in a capacity that involves fighting. If you want a future in power operations by all means join the US Navy. If you want to expand the influence of Wall Street join the US Marines.

      It’s sad but true that for practical purpose all wars (and they’re all wars) since WWII had dollar bills wrote all over them.

      What did they say in the 1960s; “What if they gave a war and no body came”?

      • king krazy

        I was in the Marines and I agree but I think you would have to be nuts to join the military period. I went to the VA once and I was treated like shit. This was after I received a letter saying I drank poison water at camp lejeune. Also when I was in they didn’t allow queers nor women in most MOS’s. A question I have is why is it you go overseas and kill someone you are a Hero but fight for the Constitution here you are a terrorist?

        • Piper Michael

          Semper Fi marine.
          It is all about perspective…

          From our perspective, G. Washington was a hero.
          From the perspective of the British, he was a terrorist.

          Maybe, we should send RED COATS to all the Legislators and the Prez?

          Think they would get the message?

          • Kulafarmer

            I like that idea, good one, gotta get them those pointy hats for their pointy heads too,

            • Piper Michael

              Yes, lets send them the full regalia… 😉
              With, a copy of the Declaration of Independence.
              and, a list of patriots signing it… AGAIN…

              • Eisenkreuz

                Whatever youre gonna do, do it fast.

        • JayJay

          With the first, you are furthering the interest of the military-industrial complex.

        • lastmanstanding


      • Merree

        I was talking with my son about the new bill to institute a draft. The plan is to draft 18 to 25 year olds, male and female both, for military or civil service. This has been a longstanding plan of Obama’s. My son’s question was, “Will they be arranging lots of uniforms big enough for the 300 to 500 pounders?” One of our conclusions was that, given the physical shape of many in that age group, there would be a huge surge of requests for disability.

        • roger

          If you don’t care about a federal student loan or other federal aid, then don’t sign up for the draft. If you get a letter in the mail threatening you, move to another place and leave no forwarding address. It aint that hard……….

          • Not Timothy

            Agree, we’re scoping out plan B locations outside the US. Lots of nice places to live. For now it’s “just in case” but I will most likely retire to one. It will be the only way I can retire as I’m pretty sure I’d need to work to the grave in the U.S.

            And agree with Merree … I just took a trip down to the USS Yorktown this weekend. Lots of boys! And I just marveled at how darn fat many were. They’re young still, so maybe the adolescent metabolism will slim them down, but I’m guessing not.

    25. PiecesofMalarkey

      This is outright gun control here . Screw the people writeing this malarkey up . We fought hard when we were in service and done things for them that we wouldn’t normally ever do in civilian life .These scumbags make us fill out more paperwork and keep ripping us off .They are not takeing jack nothing period . They want to make you look like your a nut job or cant care for yourself and take away your rights . I tell you what then , Then pay me 5 million for the loss of one my legs by a mine back in 68 .Bones hurt and i hobble around with pain on daily basis and earn an eager pension to just survive and you throw this crap on us .Who the hell do you think you are ? I may have one leg but i can still whip the persons ass that comes for my stuff !

      • BigB

        All gave some, some gave all.

      • Satori

        “The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service.” – Albert Einstein

        “I’m fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in.” – George McGovern

        “They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for one’s country. But in modern war, there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason.” – Ernest Hemmingway

        hat tip to Information Clearing House

        tell the amoral mother f_ckers running the world
        to fight their own wars
        to send their own sons into the sausage grinder

        • Piper Michael

          Good stuff Satori.

          So so true.

          What if Uncle Sam, declared war on us, and the troops said NO. Sigh… one can dream.

      • Angelo Mysteriouso

        That dhs kommie Dyke should be beaten like a adopted red headed step child.

        • roger

          rented mule

    26. The Other Realist

      They know that they’ve trained a bunch of killers, and realize that the majority of said killers will take the side of the people…

      I hate to break it to them, but unless they ban the vets themselves, they’re not accomplishing much. I think that most people would be friendly about sharing extra tools in such a situation, if you catch my meaning.

      • durango kidd

        Remember the Govt troll on here a couple of weeks ago trying to downplay my post that the mistake that the NWO PTB has made was to use the American male in their wars of Phony Crony capitalism, and that there were millions of American vets who would not allow the US Constitution be shredded?

        Guess he didn’t get the memo! 😉

      • Kulafarmer

        We could partner up with some of those firearms manufacturers in that other list and do a buy a vet a gun month.

    27. Rogue Warrior

      FedGov: Try as you might but, you will lose this fight for The 2nd Amendment is my right. Pass what laws you can for I will still stand because I am an American. A patriot so true, I bleed Red, White and Blue. This weapon in my hand, come take it…if you can!

      • durango kidd

        Washington’s Vision is the future of America. In that future, Americans are armed and victorious. All WE must do is recognize the Source of OUR liberties and honor Him again. Pass the word. Post it everywhere. Every American needs to read:

        Washington’s Vision

    28. Rogue Warrior

      I would rather die fighting as a free man, than to have someone tell me how to live! Molon Labe’ Bitch!!

    29. AmeriKan Nightmare


      To the nwo njo zog ameriKan red commies PATRIOTIC AMERICAN VETERAN PROBLEM , which threatens the illuminati nwo njo zog globalists one world government plans .

      *Obama the Illuminati ZOG CIA BilderBoyBugger Puppet DickTator is going to kill exterminate 25 MILLION AMERICANS as an example to the others .

      DEMOCIDE: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns And Freedom


      • Angelo Mysteriouso

        American nightmare: yeah and hobammy will crap like a monky if he well fed too.

    30. Emily

      I honor all veterans. They should be honored and
      not targeted. I knew a guy that came back from
      Afganistan. He did some have mental and emotional
      stresses, and a hard time for a while adjusting
      back to civilian life.
      But, he would not tell the VA people.
      He was afraid if he had to go to a ‘head doctor,’
      he would lose his standing. *he defused explosives
      out in the field at Afganistan*

      Bob Beckle on the Five tonight said that
      the U.S. debt would have to reach 20 Trillion
      before anything ‘bad/serious’ would happen.
      In the 11th hour a deal will be made and all
      will be saved.
      Bob Beckle on the Five tonight also told the
      audience, “not to sell your campers.”
      The Obama threats of the Sequester starting
      on March 1st will not take place. Again, at
      the 11th hour, a Deal will be made and the
      crisis averted.
      O.k. Bob, what do you know that I don’t know.
      Are you an insider in the beltway?
      *sarcasm sign flashing*

      Jog-hope you get better, r and r this weekend.

      • JayJay

        {{{Bob Beckle on the Five tonight said that
        the U.S. debt would have to reach 20 Trillion
        before anything ‘bad/serious’ would happen.
        In the 11th hour a deal will be made and all
        will be saved}}}

        Any hint how this will be accomplished??
        Or more propaganda to keep the peons in the dark?

      • Paranoid

        Two thousand years ago a Roman General sent a message to the Laconans. It said: “If I come to Lacona not one stone will remain standing.” They sent the messengers head back, with a note the said simply: “IF”. “If” they take my guns I won’t be using a bow; Pitchfork or a harp maybe, but not a bow.


        • REB

          Oh, an arrow with attached stick of dynamite might tempt me…to you know…send it downrange 😉

          • revelationspain

            Don’t fool with just one explosive arrow at a time. Google mythbusters/whacha and learn how to have some fun.

            • REB

              Without saying too much,lets just say Ive had some fun… 😉

        • Kulafarmer

          Check this out folks this is cool!

        • Snow-Farmer

          Hey I made one of these pvc Long bows last year
          and it works just fine.
          30 yards at hay bales they stuck in
          at least 6inches ~

      • Highspeedloafer

        Dead men can’t use Bows. Most here would die before giving up their guns.

      • roger

        and some of these to go with it.

        http:// www dot racembac dot com/our-products/bow-mag/

      • eeder

        a crossbow is a good thing to have whether you do or don’t have guns.

    31. AmeriKan Nightmare

      Why The Banking Elite Want Riots in America

      Every indication clearly suggests that authorities in the United States are preparing for widespread civil unrest. This trend has not emerged by accident – it is part of a tried and tested method used by the banking elite to seize control of nations, strip them of their assets, and absorb them into the new world order.

      There is a crucial economic imperative as to why the elite is seeking to engineer and exploit social unrest.


      • Eisenkreuz

        Who owns the banks?

    32. AmeriKan Nightmare

      jews are only 2% of AmeriKa’s population

      yet control 90% of AmeriKa financially and politically

      anyone else have a problem with this ???


      • Eisenkreuz


      • Mountain Trekker

        AKN, Wonder if it could have anything to do, with being GOD’S chosen people. Ever think about the size of the Jewish population, and it being so small, and yet, everyone in the world hates them, but still can’t destroy them. They’re are two forces in the world, and the ruler of this world hates the Jew. And as we know his days are numbered, so be very careful which side you choose. Our battle here is short, but eternity is a looooong time. They may not know Christ. But they’re still the apple of GOD’S eye. Trekker Out. Fear No Man, But Fear GOD!

        • AmeriKan Nightmare


          $UCK GOD

          $UCK JEWS

          there never was a god

          there is no god

          there never will be a god

          I’m pure Agnostic , an the Older and more educated I become of our world economics , politics , science and religions , the more I lean toward becoming a Atheist Zealot !!!

          religion is for the simple minded , weak minded and cowards of humanity .

          religion is for fools .

          too many peoples around the world past present and future suffer and die in the name of a false imaginary invisible being god that doesn’t even exist , never has and never will .


          $UCK GOD

          $UCK JEWS



          • Daisy

            NO ~

            It’s fine for you to decide what you believe in, but it is equally fine for others to make that decision for themselves also.

            I’m not a big fan of organized religion, but faith and spirituality DO have a place in the world. Religion is where it all went wrong – religion is the creation of human beings, and reflects their imperfections.

            Faith and spirituality give many a template for behavior that might not otherwise exist. Some people simply are not able to moderate their morals and ethics without it. Many people take great comfort in faith.

            For every bad example of religion run amok, it can be countered with a story of simple grace. And because of this, we have to each be guided by our own experiences.

            Freedom OF religion and FROM religion are equally important and should be equally respected.


            • Angelo Mysteriouso

              Well Said Daisy! You are Rare in todays society for you have prior stated that after doing research in various issues, that you had to admit what you learnd caused you to Re think previous ideas or beliefs etc…More like you would be swell Daisy! Is that whats called Open Minded?!

              • JayJay

                So many in this day speak badly of organized religion; let it not be me to support it as I’m at an age to understand the disappointments realized by trusting in it and expecting too much.
                However, without ‘organized religion’, where would I have received my faith in a creator,or have any sense of fair play relating to human existence?
                Without organized religion introduced in my early life, would I just be another greedy, selfish, arrogant, egotistical, conceited, self-centered human?

            • don't tread

              True Christianity is “not” a religion and for damn sure is not catholic.

              Christianity is a way of life! That is where the freedom comes from. Not the practice of any type “organized religion”. Religion is “not” the creation of human beings and reflections of their imperfections. Organized Religion is a process by one or more individuals to gather as many as possible into a specific way of thinking about how to worship. More importantly it closes out thinking of any and other ways of worship. Even more important it is a way to “pull in wealth” thru numbers of participants.

              Hence, why the Roman Catholic Church has it’s own bank and “head of the bank”. Take the money/mammon out of any organized religion and the leaders will disappear.

          • Piper Michael

            You are full of anger, you are almost one with the dark side.

            One day, when you arrive in a supremely dark place, so dark and vast that it goes on forever, and you are lost in the emptiness of nothingness and it encloses in around you and your anger and regrets become thick as a soupy mass feeding back into your mind, the burning icy blackness that envelopes you in its embrace and turns you inside out until your consciousness is rended and your spirit is broken, and you are left with nothingness, before the oblivion comes for you, look upwards to the Light and beg for redemption.

            God is real, religion is unreal. Do not base your opinions on the acts of hypocrites, or the doctrines of devils.
            If you want, my name will show the proof of God’s Science, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. You never know, perhaps some good can be found in you.

          • Mountain Trekker

            Amerikan, You are mentioned, many times in the Book of Proverbs. But I think Prov. Chap.14 Vs.16 fits you best. Trekker Out.

        • Angelo Mysteriouso

          MT Trekker: READ Jeramiah Chapters 30-& 31 then say that again. John ch 8 vs 44 also.

        • Daisy

          Mountain Trekker ~

          The Zionist Jews that are destroying the world are NOT God’s chosen people. Please read some of the links provided by others here. Just read with an open mind and consider that you may have been misled and your beliefs sullied by propaganda. This is not coming from a sense of hatred or bigotry. There are many folks here far better equipped than I to explain this, but begin your search by looking into “Zionists” and go from there. I think you may be surprised at what you learn.


        • Angelo Mysteriouso

          Mountain Trekker: Wasn’t part of Gods Promice to Abraham, that “Isreal” (ALL 12 tribes) would number as the sands and stars IE:= so many people he abraham be unable to count right.

          So if you believe jews number such a Small population AND have been so limited in numbers for so long in History(that is true if speaking of jews)…HOW Can They be who You said they are?

          The word “jew” is never even mentioned in the old testement Untill 2nd Book of KINGS, Chapter 16 vs 12 I believe it is. Why Is that Trekker?

          Every bible I read and seen says ISREAL(12 tribed- and Later after solomons 1st temple got destroyed they Split into TWO seperate Nations of Southern kingdom of Judah, and NORTHERN 10 Tribed Isreal Only the North 10 tribes Kept the Name “Isreal”?

          Every bible when it speaks of Gods Blessings to…It says ISREAL never does it say the word “jews” nor “jewsih”…And since solomons first temple(aprox 1000 or More yrs Before Christ born) was destroyed, jews=South kingdom of judah or, jews as later called. Southern Kingdom of Judah aka jews, was Never again called “Isreal” since they split into Two nations after 1st temple was destroyed.

          If You combine all that with Jeramiah Chapters 30 & 31 You will find God tells prophet jeramiah “Go Tell the people of the Southern Kingdom of Jews(judah and benjamin and 1/2 levites aprox)…That THEY are NO LONGER MY People! and I(God) am NO Longer Their GOD! and that Their Covenant with Me(god) is Ended! for I(god) will make a NEW covenant with a NEW different people(gentiles/christains) and this is entirely Due to Them(jews) and Their false god worships of Bael and Molech(fire god statue the jews offered their kids to be burned to death to Honor Molech the False god).

          And do you really think God desires OR Approves of what them evil banksters and eliets and their folks do today?

          ALL Evil is from Satan not God. God at times allows it. But thats it. Many pastors today like Pat Robertson and John Hagee and many more teach that christains must fund and support all we see that’s creating this NWO aka Antichrist globalist gov in order to “Speed” the Return of Jesus!…REALLY?! My bibles all say christains are Always to FIGHT evil and Wrong doings…Never are we to Fund-Vote for-Support-Kill for-ANY type evil org or govnt or etc etc….What do You not yet Get Trekker?

          I mean that in a nice way too as I am trying to get you to re-consider whats apperantly wrong headed ideas as per the Bible etc.

          Oh and, speaking/writing of what the Bible or God says is NOT antisemitic. HE inspired the writers of it and I meerly repeated it for educational purpouses here. Unless you also call God or bible writer-prophets Of God antisemites?…Than neither am I.

          • Mountain Trekker

            Angelo as for you, and Dasiy and Piper, I can have a discussion or even a disagreement. But when it comes to AmericKan Nightmare, I’m sorry Sir, but you are a reprobate and it would be a waste of time and space to even try to address you. Now when it comes to the Holy Bible, just as the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they are absolutes. And when anyone speaks of being open minded on these subjects, that reminds me of what a Progressive whould say. Now I suppose if you went to a hospital to have brain surgery and the surgeon was late you would say well just let the janitor do it, because, I’m open minded. Of course you wouldn’t! So when it comes to God’s word it means what it say’s. Good Bible preaching Pastors are called by God, but in this day and age in America, we have access to God’s inspired word. So read it and study the scriptures daily for yourself. Don’t be lead astray by other books or even false preachers, when they say what you want to hear, rather than what God’s word say’s. As for Jeremiah, Chap. 30 and 31 I don’t find what your basing your thoughts on. After pray, seek the guidance of the Holy Spirt, and read these chapters again. In the KJV in Chap.31 pay particular attention to verse 37. We could go on, but time and space would forbid it. But when attacking the Jewish people, just Remember that our LORD and SAVIOR was a Jew, as well as almost every person that was inspired by GOD to write the Books of the Holy Bible. Trekker Out. Peace to all the believers!

        • Piper Michael

          The Chosen are the 12 tribes… 10 of them are ‘lost’.

          Those 10 tribes went north out of Babylon into the Caucus mountains. Wanting nothing to do with Jews or Israel ever again.

          The Bible is written for the Chosen, not, the tribe of Judah.

          Who are the Chosen then MT?

          We are. If you’ll permit a clue… the original meaning of words are great clues.
          One of the tribes was named The Saxons. How do I know this?
          The original meaning and spelling of the Saxons was;
          Saacs Sons.

          In those days, the leading vowels were often dropped. So, you had Isaac’s Sons, or the Sons of Isaac.

          Well well.
          White people, you’re the Lost ten tribes. The 10 toes, the 10 Virgins, the 10 Horns… which, are Shofars of leaders. Which sit on the head of the Beast.

          The bankers are not simply Jews, but from the ten. We are the fulfillment of Father Abraham… a great nation and a ‘company of nations’. White people run the planet. Numbering like sand on the beach.

          There is much evidence for this thesis, but, we don’t want to hear it because of our inbred hatred of the Jews. Instead, we should be proud of it, having broken off from our arrogant cousins.

          The Bible makes a whole lot more sense, once this simple clue is deciphered.

          Angelo may disagree with my interpretations of prophecy, but I stand by this thesis.

          • Piper Michael

            PS: Forgot to add, Caucus mountains = where the Caucasians came from… Caucasian = white.
            Scholars like to confuse the issue, but they are the ones confused or have a hateful agenda.

          • Daisy

            Very clear interpretation, Michael. Thank you! 🙂

            • Piper Michael

              You’re welcome Ms. Daisy.

              Another question.
              If the Mother of Harlots that rides the Beast, is the Mother, then who are the daughters?

              (Never heard that question asked before. I like asking those kinds of questions.)

          • Angelo Mysteriouso

            Piper: I agree on some or most of that. However a couple things are: There were zero Vowels in hebrew language so Thats why sac sons as you said orig had no vowels.

            Also the Horns when its spoken of as in rabbis blow trumpets?…Yes its a shofer horn made from a Ram animals horn. BUT…HORNS also can and Does equal MILITARY forces. Depends on context of what issue is etc.

            ALSO: Actually the Northern Kingdom of Isreal which Kept the name “Isreal” as Jacob said when he blessed ephraim and manessah aka Josephs twin sons, was Attacked and Taken Captive(those not killed) by the ASYRIANS. Not Babalonians.

            the “10” tribes isreal of North was done in by assyrians aprox 145 Yrs Before the Southern Kingdom of Judah aka “jews” were also attacked and killed or scattered by the Babalonians. Assyrians and babalonians is Two different groups.

            I disagree that you seem to include as the 10 isreal tribes everything or wherever you find “Ten” mentioned in the bible Piper. IE: 10 virgins-10 shofers-toes etc.

            Now yes some of the bible has been slightly changed due to 2000 yrs time and many translations to other languages from orig hebrew(OT) and Greek(NT)…Some was in what Christ also spoke, Aramiac language.

            HOWEVER Piper: It does seem to me that you only believe or use various parts that You agree with or like. Then much of it you choose to use, you Then custom-fit to Your versions….Personally I think that is entirely Wrong and vastly heritical. Either Gods word is ALL Inspired by the Holy Spirit of GOD?..(Yes it Is!) or as you seem to do, it is Only certain parts which Fit whatever Your main messg seems to be.

            It is like the us const and laws Piper. People cannot simply decide on their Own which parts to like or accept or use. And if You really believe God=Supreme Being(spirit per Christ and all the apostles) and Creator God?

            Then how can You or anyone else think it is OK to change it all or disect it into parts as you seem to do?

            If God=Suprere God(yes) then what men or women are Greater enough to simply change the bible verses meanings to fit whatever else?…If it is Mixed with new-ager or enviro whacks(they exist also!) or other religions etc then it is NO longer the WORD Inspired BY God. Therefore when Thats done it=Junk as far as I think.

            I do not mean that in any offensive ways Piper. What if all 6-billion of worlds people decide to interpret it or Redo it as you usually do?…All 6 billion is correct because it goes by zero absolutes?…Like todays Libs who preach Relativity when it is about Truth or Facts…

            I mean as in libs say whatever an individual person believes is True Truth?…Thats the real deal.

            They say: “There are NO absolutes”…Really?…Wasn’t That statement actually an Absolute? Yes it sure was eh.

            Yet they change truths to “Fit” their agendas or beliefs and some do so as often as the wind changes directions. They too believe thats a Good way to figure it out. It is NOT. It causes total Chaos and a few Million different versions of it.

            I do not mean Piper is a lib as I know you aint!..But you do seem to apply their method to bible verses and its simply Wrong Piper. Even for bible verses nobody as yet knows for certain the meanings of…Not now knowing for certain does Not give anybody a Green light to manufacture their own meanings. Only One can be correct. And thats Always Gods truth even if we as yet aint learned it due to it has not yet been Revealed to us.

            I am sorry this is so long and complicated. I hope it makes sense to you Piper. I aint no Professor man. But I Do try to learn and know truth of it all.

            • don't tread

              Your babble-ing again. babel means “confusion”. You contradict youself time and time again.

              You are stuck. You have a mental block. When you say and believe that all races of people came from a white/caucasian woman and the seed/sperm of a white/caucasian man= son of Noah, you loose all credibility of knowing anything about scripture.

              The Bible clearly says, “Noah took two of every flesh aboard the ark”. The eight souls were the only “Adamic” people aboard the ark. They were the only “caucasians/whites” that had not inner-bred with the fallen angels. Some of those other “flesh” peoples/races aboard the ark, had inner-bred and also had the bloodline of the Kenites- seed line from Cain. Not to be confused with Cannanites- an entirely seperate bloodline of people. More specifically descendants from the incestous affair of Noah’s son and his wife, while on the ark.

              • Angelo Mysteriouso

                Thats idiotic at best . The bible make it plain whats meant by TWO of each flesh means ANIMALS…What part of a deer is Not flesh. The bible says ONLY the 8 persons of Noahs family were on tha ark…You are who is confused or babeling. You invent a new meaning meant to describe animals on the ark TWO of each species Male & female.

                God planned to utterly Destroy all those people who were corrupted by Fallen Angels and mixed dna etc.

                So then God “Saves” a bunch while He destroyed the rest?…WHERE in the Bible is that written or even implied. Man you got some goofy ways of interpreting the bible to say the Least.

                And Please stop saying I said this or that when I did not. Not only are you unable to interpret a bible but you seem to see words in my posts that are Not there. Perhaps You need reading eye glasses.

                Show us where the bible states that two of each flesh meant the very people God planned to destroy for corrupted dna. Or that when it states Two of each animals flesh it really means people aka Human flesh other than the orig 8 from noahs clan or family.

                Just because you cannot figure out How the same type dna corruption can again happen after the flood era, does not mean you can simply invent what You think sounds logical even when not written as so. There are some things in the bible that as yet we still are not able to say for certain what it means or How it can be. That don’t mean it is wrong, or that You can invent new meanings such as Two of each Flesh Now refers to Corrupted humans instead of animals as it clearly says animals.

                It is You that is so Confused. I now see the reason.

                Do You watch Sheperds Chapel tv preacher by any chance? Sure sounds like the answer to that is Yes. He spews mostly the same as you do. But I think he began it first and You learned it from him perhaps…I do hope you wake up if hes where you get these ideas from.

                • don't tread

                  You set youself up for chastisement when you start calling God’s servants, “liars”.

                  Just because you believe in a “breeding of humans like dogs” ideology, to explain how different races of peoples came out of the flood, don’t ignore the fact that “two of every flesh” could have included all flesh, not just animals.

                  You may not understand it now because of your limitations with comprehension; but one day you will.

            • Piper Michael

              What is the difference between religion and spirituality?
              I will not argue scripture. Did you know, I used to believe exactly as you? Then I saw the Light, literally. It was the ending of a journey began when I angrily walked out of a lukewarm hypocrite church at 14, the only thing I retained was a love of Jesus and the Golden rule. Everything else they had taught was thrown in the trash, it just felt ‘wrong’. Especially when I saw, that their faith was merely an excuse for screwing people over, and then coming to church and praying for ‘forgiveness’. Their idea of religion was simply a justification for living however they wanted, keeping God at arms length, and then feeling justified because they acknowledged Him by publicly paying dues. I walked out of there with the knowledge that I was leaving the church of money.

              A few months later, I was paralyzed in a tractor accident. Months later, after I had prayed that I would ‘follow your path, if you just let me walk again’, bada bing, feeling returned. I was able to teach myself to walk again. To call that a miracle, was not the miracle. The miracle was that I survived the accident. There was no way I should have lived. The only way I could have lived, was for the guardian angel to swoop in and keep that tractor wheel from completely crushing me on that asphalt highway.

              And that was only the first of several angelic interventions, that I am positive, could only have been angelic, simply because the laws of physics were violated. And it became the laws of physics, that attracted me to God’s purpose for me. I am now sure that my path was determined before I was born, although it was up to me to follow it. Fortunately, HE was determined that I should follow it, and keep my promise. Every time I walked off the path, he slapped me back on to it and reminded me. The funny thing was, I never knew what that path led to, or what I was following. I only ‘knew’ when it was time to turn onto the correct fork in the road. Each time, I would be led down a dark path, into a rabbit hole or a yard sale where an old book was laying in the dirt. An old book that lay there screaming at me, that my very spirit recognized, and when I reached down and picked it up, I felt the tingles and cold chills run down my spine as I asked the lady ‘How much?’.

              Thus began the last phase of my education, as I read ‘Fallen Angels and the Origins of evil’ and was introduced to the ‘forbidden’ works of Enoch. Now I know I am but one of many who are here to point the way out of the darkness of money, government and the religions that support them. A system of Authorities, interlocked, intertwined, and self reinforcing. A system designed by Elites, for the Elite. A system that crushes the spirits of men, by the power of mystery and lies, using the shadows and echos of reality to turn mens hearts against their minds, and leaves a wasteland of ruined lives, for profit.

              Now I know, the reason why The Churches and civilization itself are dying, and have become ‘old dry bones’, is because they lost their way over five thousand years ago. And One came to point the Way, and that too, was corrupted by MEN. The sad part is, no, we don’t expect many to hear the Revealing of the Oldest Song, we expect most to die. Why? Because of Fear. When I read your post I was struck by the fear of clinging to the status quo, you even said I was talking ‘heretical’ talk. Thank you for that. Do you know, that this fear and clinging to old doctrines, was the reason the most famous HERETIC in history, was nailed to a cross? Do you know what the Church fears more than anything else? The revenge of the Heretics.

              Now, let us move forward, from the past.
              Yes, you are correct about the Assyrians, and that there were several escapes from the region of Babylon. This is history, and yes, they scattered. But there were still remnants of the tribes within Babylon, when Babylon fell. Remnants that remembered who they were, and brought that knowledge forward, that is key for our time. Bringing knowledge and culture forward from the collapse of civilization. Like the monks did during and after the fall of Rome, into the Dark ages. Without them, almost nothing would have survived. Do you think that Churches will survive in their present form after the collapse, civil war, invasion, Earth change? I think not. The Age of Churches is almost complete, an age, is two thousand years. If Christs sacrifice was in 0033, then, 2033 is the true end of the age, not Rome’s definition.

              This is part Bible, history and archaeology. I believe there was even a period of the Phoenicians, in the Bronze age, the Scythians and evidence of Israelite copper mining in North America. The Kensington runestone, and all kinds of other evidence that somebody was here before Columbus. Way before Columbus. Point being, that us white folks got around. We mixed races, but there was always a core of thought of in some tribes/clans of maintaining the ‘purity of the blood’. The Chosen it turns out, does have to do with the blood, and the spiritual gifts in the dna, which we know today, is a biological program that is the supreme evidence of an intelligent designer. It turns out, the basis of this program, is written into the basic design of the Universe, once you have the Key. This key, was denied us, or at least the path to the key, when The Church, burned them all. Fortunately, the hand of God preserved them for this time, what is it? The Oldest Song, that is a New Song, a Revealing. A thing the Church is scared to death of, because they know, deep down in their bones, they commited the greatest crime in history. So anything that does not toe their line, is a HERETIC, sorcerer, a magician, a new age devil. They are right about one thing, I am, the revenge of the Heretics.

              As far as my new interpretations of scripture, simply because they do not match old tired scholars, I am wrong? What about the Pharisees who were so blinded by their own doctrines that they could not see The Messiah in their midst? Are we in a similar state now?

              We cling to the doctrine of MYSTERY, a philosophy that is ancient, that comes from the Babylonian mystery school, a part of the remnant of the Tribes that left Babylon. They incorporated this into the Bible of Rome, a Canon that was fought over for many years, and us HERETICS were MURDERED by the Church. The private teachings of the Christ, were burned along with the writings of Enoch and the other books. The whole Library of Alexandria was put to the torch because it was a ‘pagan heresy’. They destroyed thousands of years of knowledge. This purging of knowledge did not stop but went on for hundreds of years, while they also purged the knowledge of the Christ, and made up the doctrine of physical resurrection of the body out of whole cloth.

              Once the ancient books of Gnosis and Enoch were uncovered in the 20th century, the church went crazy again, calling them HERETICAL and saying they would ‘destroy faith’. It is not faith these books destroy, it is blind allegiance to the doctrine of MYSTERY. A doctrine that states that mankind is too low, mortal, and unable to understand The MYSTERIES of God. A doctrine that says that we must be submissive to ‘Godly authority’. This flies in the face of the old testament, when God told us he did not want us to have a king, but we demanded a king to ‘rule over us’. There is no reconciliation of these conflicting doctrines, except one way. The maintenance of power and control over you. A doctrine invented in Babylon, the money changers in the temple invented the fixed contract of debt payment, backed up by the Kings law, and the peasantry held in submission to ‘Godly Authority’, it was the perfect system. So good, the Elites carried it forward till this day. This is the Head of Gold, over the ten toes of mind and heart, iron and clay, on the two legs of ideology, enforced by the power of mystery doctrines of confusion and division.

              To love the Lord, is not to tell me, that I must also be ignorant or stupid as the doctrine of mystery and submission implies. To say there is no truth in the Bible is wrong, but to say that there are no conflicts is equally ignorant. To have blind faith in a book, is to promote men over God, and give them ‘authority’ where none is warranted, and where God Himself said not to.

              To say, that my vision, after 40 years of following the path I was pushed to follow, and picking up dots out of the trash of men, is invalid, simply because it does not align with the doctrines of preachers, is the ultimate in arrogant and blind supplication to ignorance and imposed supplication to authority figures. I reject the authority of men, which means I reject the authority of the Churches. All of the Orthodox churches, the catholic and the protestant churches, why? They can no longer have a monopoly on Christ Jesus, the First Son of God, because they fouled up everything.

              Read Revelations again… with a new eye towards the symbols of spirit and not the words of men. Understand that the works of John, the Gospel and the Revelation, almost did not make it into the Canon because they were considered too ‘Gnostic’ in origin. This was because certain Bishops saw The Truth, that the Church would turn evil based on untruth. This is the meaning of the phrase in Jude where “evil crept in unawares”. I don’t think the evil was intentional in the beginning, it was a mystery power play. The crime came after, in the cover up, as always. They had to destroy the evidence that was in direct conflict with their new narrative in a New Canon.

              Ask yourself who the Mother of Harlots is, she who is named MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT. Ask yourself, if she is the mother, then who are the daughters? If the mother created the daughters from the doctrine of MYSTERY, then what is the Blasphemy? Who, is the HERETIC? What did Christ teach privately? Why is the teaching of Paul, radically different from Christ? Is this a source of division in The Book and The Body? Do we even have all the original teachings of Paul, were they changed to suit Rome and the Babylonian Mystery School?

              There is some evidence of this in the Gnosis, in the Apocalypse of Paul, who may have taught REINCARNATION, exactly like the Christ taught it. That you must be ‘born again of the spirit’, this is the original meaning of the text, suitably modified in meaning by The Churches, to suit their narratives of political control and profit. They profit by fear, the fear of one life to live, when in truth, you are recycled energy. Energy can not be destroyed, only consumed. The Energy paradigm of Einstein, is the only one that works, if, you believe in God and a spirit in man.

              Was society destroyed by these competing doctrines? Was a ‘free lunch’ doctrine of salvation in conflict with the doctrine of no free lunches? (Faith alone vs Faith in works.) Did/does, society get a free lunch ticket to sin thinking it doesn’t matter, they are ‘forgiven’? Does the little Buddhist boy that died innocent, having lived a perfect life, born in ignorance of His Name, really, REALLY, get picked up bodily by The Christ and thrown headlong into a lake of fire, simply because he followed Buddha? REALLY? Is this doctrinal division, indicative of something deeper and more fundamental? Is this exposed in the conflicts in the Word? Is there Universal Salvation, or is it exclusive to ‘christians’? Then is God a Catholic, or a Protestant? Don’t protestants know, they are merely ‘protesting’ Catholics? Because they use the same book, written by ROME? The conundrums and conflicts get deeper, the deeper you get.

              Does the God of war of the old testament, have anything to do with a God of Love, of the new? What part did the empire builders of the Holy Roman empire have to do with it? Who’s translation of ancient texts do we trust, when the church of Rome translated ‘elohim’ into the word ‘God’? Thus a family of God, became a singular God. Who then are the ‘we’ that made man in ‘our’ image in Genesis? What then is the true ‘abomination that makes desolate’, set up in the True Temple of God? When even preachers say that the ‘true’ temple of God, is in OUR MINDS, that is always in conflict with our HEARTS.

              It is only when we abandon new meanings of old words, and new interpretations of old truths, that we begin to see past the lies of men and two thousand years of control and division and bloodshed and war, over God. Can it be that the foundations are faulty, reeking in blood and blasphemy, mystery and superstitions, of the 4th century? Can we know them by their fruits?

              If we have even forgotten who we are, then how can we find our way out of the Cave of Illusion? It is a cave built up, brick by brick, from the hand of ‘authority’, for it is authority we bow down to. It always has been that way, since the days of Israel. It is this way because we love money, power and control, and it is the root of all evil.

              We are divided into men of iron constitution, and hearts of sticky clay, ten toes divided. We are those who trim our wicks, fill our lamps and hide in a back room, because we see something wicked this way comes. Yet half of us are still marrying and giving in marriage. We fall on two legs, left and right, and have many doctrines of division, confused as the sea and the waves roaring, as the Head of Gold makes the Rule of Gold, that; He who has the gold, makes the rules.

              Yet we love it, because we have bought the Dream of material wealth, and it is our All, our everything, our root of evil, the love of money. It is our love above God, and the constitution, our Idol god, Mammon. Yet, the only way to throw off the statue of the ages, is to deny the rule of gold, with the Golden rule. To go ‘into the wilderness’, and leave The System, to become a Remnant of Gods Chosen, into an age of brotherhood, knowing that the Temple of God lives in our minds, in the land of the new Zion of Jerusalem, free of the Sons of Cain, the Ten horns of the Shofars of the Leaders of money. But it cannot be, until we figure out that the Abomination that makes us desolate and divided, lies in the pages of the Roman Canon.

              Our problem now, is we are waking up. The higher meaning of this is the Spiritual Evolution that has been taking place over the last hundred years, and is now growing into a critical mass. This is the Knowledge evolution that has turned men away from the MYSTERY of the past. Superstition and faith, are dimmed in the old bones of tired teachings, as we experience a Great Falling away of the Churches.

              This is their own fault because of clinging to the MYSTERY doctrines, and the perceived blasphemy of exclusivity. They preach exclusive salvation instead of Universal Salvation. They teach free lunch doctrines, that allow them to rape and pillage the Earth in doing ‘God’s work, justified by their idea of a Pledge of allegiance to Jesus and all is forgiven. A gospel ABOUT Christ, instead of the gospel OF Christ.

              He, did not teach that, and the rampant hypocrisy, pedophilia, and wealth of the Churches, speaks again, to their blasphemy of teaching people the divided doctrines that allow ‘Christians’ to do what they want, and think they’ll get away with it in the end, when they don’t even read their own book, and can’t see that they are lukewarm, and will be ‘spit out’ back into the prison of the spirit, the soul in body. Our Universe is about energy, all things are energy, frozen energy connected as One, that is recycled, in many ways. Even our scientists are locked into mystery and confusion.

              The physicists cannot leave the particle paradigm, because when they do, they arrive at the altar of God… can’t have that. This is why people are lost. They only have a choice between the MYSTERY of God and a GODless science. This is also why science tries to invent God in their image, through the God particle. It is a particle that is not, and can never be. They cheated by statistical manipulation to arrive at only a 99% correlation of data, but they did absolutely prove something else, 100% proof of God in the God tangent feedback force of the Holy Spirit. They saw a ghost, a blip, an indication, a hint, exactly what I predicted, evidence of the 3rd primal force, the Voice of God. The Causal spin force of the atom in a magnetic aether, a necessary precursor of Einstein’s general relativity. This ties special and general relativity together through what the Gnostics called; The Invisible left handed force. When you see that all things spin to the left, you are in awe of the ancients.

              It is only when you see the Holy Grail, the Unified Field, that the energies become real and light is shed on the shadows of illusion, manifested as body, soul and spirit connected together into the Whole, or (W)Holy. That the dual energies comes from outside 3 dimensional space-time, from above and below, the Holy Light of the Holy Spirit, and the dark consumer of the Imp, gives the flow of electric and magnetic forces, joined together in the Voice of Creation that gives Chaos in the silver cord of life, which is given form by the emanations from the delegated powers of the Hierarchy of Light Aeons(angels, principalities, thrones), and given hardness by magnetic repulsion, the manifestation by the Lower Archons(jealousy, envy, anger, coveting). This dual hierarchy of powers, was known as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the creation architecture. But, it was called evil, by a church that changed mystery narratives for peasants.

              The mechanisms of good and evil, was shown in the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, through the infinite informational power of Pi, the Spiritual Geometry of an actively intelligent light power, that forms the Medicine wheel of DNA within the dark power of the magnetic aether of Einstein and Enoch. This is what was destroyed by the Churches, and called it HERETICAL, and ‘forbidden’, as they purged the SCIENTISTS and philosophers of long ago, and delivered us into a Dark age, and threw mankind back over a thousand years. If it were not for the hand of God that preserved the works of Enoch and the Gnosis of the Christ, we would still be trapped in the MYSTERY power of Babylon, the true and deeper meaning of Nebuchadnezzar’s statue. That the money changers, the King, and the priests, are One with the Head of Gold. So, how has all that wanting a ‘king to rule over us’, worked out?

              It took 40 years to figure it out, but in the end, it is no mystery at all. We were all created for one purpose, His Joy in the Elohim, the Family of God. Thus, the meaning of life is; Joy… not DEBT. For debt, is the destroyer of joy. Thus the Rock must be a new Revelation of Unity, that tears down the statue of civilizations, and builds a mighty mountain to the heavens, by pounding our swords into plowshares and turning old things into new, and neither learn war anymore, that we, a Remnant, may preserve the races, in the restoration of the hoop of humanity(cherokee prophecy, all colors accepting the differing spiritual gifts in the DNA), in the chaos of the Universe that will ultimately destroy the Earth in fire, and find that New Heavens and New Earth, when the time of Darkness passes.

              Washington’s Vision, actually reinforces this thesis. As the ‘light of a thousand suns’ shines on Earth, and we defeat the evil ones, the sons of Cain. This aligns with the prophecy of Enoch, that was burned and called a ‘forbidden’ work of ‘sorcerers'(scientists). A man who was so perfect, he was called into heaven to write books from the mouth of God, and the Church burned them?… he said The Light from heaven would shine down on the Earth, and the evil would be defeated.

              You see, I do not ‘pick and choose’, in order to ‘fit’ something together into an irrational doctrine. I ‘dowse’ dots of light, truth within the untruth, I connect dots of truth to dots of truth, as light attracts light, leaving untruth behind. This is the Way of Knowledge taught ‘privately’ by the Lord. But, it was destroyed you see. It was destroyed by a Church that was building an empire, for an emperor. It was destroyed by a church that mounted up on a white horse, with a crown and a bow, and went forth conquering, killing the Saints they called; HERETIC. It was destroyed by a church that turned evil into good, and good into evil. A church that hid the mechanisms of evil, so that it could hide behind them. It did what the Lord (in the Gnostic texts) said not to do, build churches of hierarchies, rules and doctrines.

              It is not that the Gnostic texts destroy faith, no, it magnifies faith by the power of KNOWLEDGE that conquers MYSTERY. It destroys faith in The Churches and doctrines of men and devils, that keep you apathetic towards evil, and in submission to UNGODLY authorities masquerading as Godly. It is truth, that will set you free, and only the truth speaking directly to the soul, will conquer the fear of the heart sewn by the Mother of Harlots, in a book of mysteries, that needs fixing. You see, I love the Word so much, that I must search its mysteries, to find the works of men, and discard them. To start over, through a new revelation of Light, that overcomes the darkness sewn 1600 years ago.

              It was a church that created a Sword of Division, in direct fulfillment of the Lords prophecy, that He came not to bring peace, but a sword. A sword divides our people, and the fruits of the churches, is how we know them. Even this discussion now, is evidence of the Sword of Division, as it works its magic of MYSTERY on our minds. As we are held in thrall to the doctrines of devils and the submission to an authority God did not want us to have. We collectively love the divisions and the submission to authority, and it is all about us, making our own way up the ladder of wealth, power and control. But, it is all an illusion of mammon, the rights from God, were limited by the Head of Gold, and the cycles of darkness. Spiritual truth is about body and spirit, and soul as one, and physical life with joy, cannot be as long as the water of life, money, is restricted and controlled by money changers.

              The barriers to joy, the business cycle, all things that they invented in BABYLON, to control and manipulate, to take your wealth, and deliver you into debt and take your joy. They do this through the false power of money, that they control. Money that is held in ‘short supply’ to fool you as to its ‘value’. Ole Tom Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, John Adams, the list goes on, of founders, presidents and others who warned us about this, but our people are destroyed through a lack of knowledge!(Hosea) Even our Lord fought His final battle against WHOM? The money changers IN the Temple, backed up by Caesar! This is a lesson most preachers leave in the dirt if they ever make the connections at all.

              To those who scream NEW AGE, NEW AGE! BEWARE THE DEVIL! BEWARE THE SORCERER! I smile, can you not see the 4th century in your mind? The fear of the Church saying that, its MYSTERY is the ‘good’ mystery, and all other mysteries are ‘evil’? This is the crux of the matter. The Church that killed the Saints by calling them HERETICS. After, the Roman Church wiped out all KNOWLEDGE, forbid science and philosophy, and burned anything that was even slightly off center. This is what is preserved until this day, it is the Babylonian Mystery school, the basis of the fear that controls you. Can you reconcile a God of Ultimate Love, with a church that sews Fear? Then read Revelations again… 21:8, should make you see, that a sin is sewed in the very nature of such preachings. But that goes to the very nature of their faith, divided doctrines, and verses, that are in conflict, and all things are a “MYSTERY of GOD my son…”

              Yes, the New Age movement, was a rebellion against religion, and there is a good reason for it. It is not about love, it is about fear and imposed ignorance through the power of mystery. The New Agers themselves are lost in their own mysteries, many of occultic origin, and are themselves, lost in darkness. But, that does not mean they are all ‘damned to hell for eternity’. No. It means they are human beings, lost in the Illusion of reality, trying to find a new way to God through Love, not the fear of religions. And this makes them something to be feared? The conundrum is mind blowing, but obvious. Preachers want you in their church, paying tithes, not dancing in circles around a tree.

              Ultimately, worshiping the creation, is worshiping the Creator, and they, have a better relationship with reality, than many Christians, who go about their materialistic endeavors and trivial entertainments, destroying the Earth, building up great piles of wealth, under the Illusion of Redemption, not knowing, that the redemption is through their actions, not faith. Even the angels who sinned, had faith, and faith without works is dead. This is what the Christ taught, love thy neighbor as thyself, not screw thy neighbor and go to church on Sunday and call it good. Yet, they, would call me, a Heretic, and evil? This is one of those things that make you go… hmmm….

              To those who ascribe evil to good, and say that the Internet can bring no good, I ask; From where did the Internet spring forth? Do you not know that ALL inspiration is from the Spirit? Do you think the Holy Spirit would allow a tool to be used simply for evil purposes? Do you not understand the concept of the spiritual gifts of Fire, Water, Earth, and Air? That the gift of The Creative Fire was given to the DNA of the Chosen? This is the power of the 12 Aeons of the Tree, all the powers of creative life. That this is why you are called The Chosen, the Son’s of Seth, of Adam, and not of Cain, the serpent seed who are the sons of darkness?

              Do you not understand the meaning of collective consciousness? Do you not see the power in it? Do you not know that the power of God has been put into the temple of your mind, like a light in the darkness, to form a web of lights in the darkness of Babylon the Great? A web of lights so powerful, that it can transcend the darkness, to defeat the evil? That in so doing, you become the True Temple of God, of the community of minds on Earth as it is in Heaven? That by doing this, you have fulfilled prophecy? You are building the Third temple, of the Chosen, as the spiritual evolution of the power of the Light within you, it is becoming more powerful as the Earth groans in the dark energy wave now upon us, and you join minds like the sea and the waves roaring in confusion?

              But ultimately, you must throw off the MYSTERY that divides us, and seek the New Revelation of Light and Dark. This is the lady of 12 stars in her crown, the 12 Aeon’s, the power of God in you, manifested as a clothing of the light of the Sun, and that you stand on the moon, the power of darkness, conquering it. But to conquer it, you must first conquer your own fears, the dark power within, the animal, the Beast. You can only do this by turning from Mammon, which is the Material world. You must abandon the love of money, and turn to the love of life. You must abandon the Authorities, and leave them to die, as they destroy themselves. Do you not know, evil consumes evil?

              Do you not know, that as long as you continue to argue over old doctrines, ideologies, and money policies of the deceived minions of The Statue, that you are slaves to the Illusion of Division? Do you not feel the splinter in your mind, that all is not as it appears, that all things in this world are fundamentally broken? That without a unifying vision, a new doctrine, a new ideology, that you are simply continuing in the thinking of the past, and it shall yield the results of the past? Do you not know by now, that the only thing that conquers the MYSTERIES, is KNOWLEDGE? Do you not know, that you can never OWN anything? That life is merely a temporary illusion, and Earth is the property of God? That the Dream of material wealth, is what keeps you tied to the Earth and is the root of all evil? That money itself, is not gold, or paper, it is YOU, it is merely a chip in the Game of Life. And as long as you believe what the Head of Gold, and its minions tells you, you will be forever miserable, because you chase a thing that can only be grasped for a short time, and then it slips from your grasp, back to where it came.

              Do we not see, that we argue incessantly about things that cannot be proven? That when you argue about MYSTERY, all the arguments lead to further division? See this argument here, about scriptures that are not clear, and can never be clear, because there is much conflict in the Word. Those who say the Word is ‘infallible’ don’t understand, that God Himself did not hold the pen. They have never read the letter of the translators of the King James. They have never read hebrew, Greek or Aramaic. But it is only when you see what was left out, what was excluded, what was burned and called evil, does your mind turn inside out, and your soul sings at the Truth of what the Christ brought to Earth.

              It is only when the Gnosis or Knowledge of the divine, sheds light on the Mystery, that we can overcome the superstitions and competing doctrinal confusions, and reach the common sense of the simplicity of true spirituality. The unification mechanism of a sword of truth, the oldest song is new again, that what the Christ taught, was that being good is good enough. That is what I call Spiritual Relativity, that all religions are relative to the True Light of God, which is pure agape love, that Buddha called empathy for all living things. There is even evidence in the Gnosis, that the Christ spirit, came down three times, the third was a virginal birth designed by Him for Himself.

              The revenge of the heretics is the Oldest Song, the ‘Forbidden’ Knowledge of Enoch and Gnosis of Christ, that overcomes the Mystery of the Church. The meaning of the Holy Grail, is the Unified Field of God, in the Einstein-Enoch Equation, that gives the Proof of God’s creating primal forces, the Holy Light and the Dark waters of the Firmament, the Yin and Yang, the electric and magnetic. Proven in the resolution of the phenomena of the rocks(why do big rocks rise out of little rocks?). The life generating Universe through the DNA of the Indian Medicine wheel, manifested in our reality through the spiritual geometry of the Voice of God in the infinite data stream in the helix of Pi.

              And we wonder why the Revelation of John, condemned the Mother of Harlots, who was named MYSTERY, BABYLON the Great?

              The science of God lies at the nexus of science and religion. To those who ridicule or object, I merely ask one thing, disprove the equation. Why do I refuse to argue scripture? Because it is impossible to do without conflict, and I love you. It is also the basis of;
              The Spirituality of Prepping 101.

              May His Force be with you.

              • Angelo Mysteriouso

                Piper: I don’t say or believe that you are stupid nor ignorant. I just believe you are very wrong on quite alot is all. You say now that you do not believe in Christ’s Bodily resurection. Thats your choice. But I do.

                You state you refuse to argue scripture. Yet you cherry pick many verses of scripture but readjust it to fit whatever it is You believe. That too is your choice.

                But I do not think to do so and expect others to not debate certain things you say is folly. If you are going to use or quote biblical verses aka scriptures and then say you refuse to “argue” I call it debate. Either way you expect too much if you think others wont question your method with bible verses etc.

                Whatever you choose to believe is your free will choice. It wont effect me nor my salvation either way Piper, as my beliefs wont affect your’s right. I just couldn’t help to question much of what you tell us is facts or truth.

                I have read most of all your posts on these issues. And have to say again I myself think you are very wrong on quite alot of it and that is from trying to Mix most everything you found like in a Blender and pour out some brand new thing. I also do not believe All of the orig ancient folks and scholors were trying to create a hoax or whatever. There are evil intent minded popes etc yes.

                Not all are though. And as far as mixing new age-indian pagan lore or religions-budda-christ-et al into your own version of thruth?…Sorry I just aint buying it.

                I do not intend you any offence for what you believe Piper. I simply Disagree with alot or most is all. I think you are very intelligent not stupid. That don’t mean it makes you correct in my eyes. But Hey its yours to believe or not right.

                Also do not get the impression that you alone has prayed to God for guidence and to reveal His truths as I too have done so and I too have recieved answers. Along with several experiences similar to yours which I rather not divulge here. If we ever meet in Person perhaps then I will speak of those experiences. I will say mine were definatly as you say not from this world, be that angelic or Godly or call it whatever. But I too have had similar experiences. Only My answers are vastly different from what you beliebe Piper. Thats ok though right. Believe what you care too.

      • Eisenkreuz

        Jews are disgusting, hideous people.

      • Angelo Mysteriouso

        Dont tead. Why do you Keep posting quote like breeding like dogs as if I ever wrote or said that?…You are purpously trying to get Others to believe I said such crap…YOU is who said that in your last stupid idiotc post to me. WHY?

        Its like some childish fetish you have to attempt to turn folks against me for quotes I never wrote. YOU got a huge problem.

        THEN you actually stated “Dont ignore the FACT that,“two of every flesh” could have included all flesh, not just animals.

        First you say FACT than – “Could have”?…Which is it genius. There would be zero could have if as You say it is a FACT…And You berate Me as some babbler and “Confused”…Man, I se now how you can so easily Misread the bible and also whatever I write,no wonder you keep adding quoted stuf I never wrote. I never in my Life even thought of that phrase breed like dogs!

        yet somehow You seen it in MY posting words?…YOU have a severe problem with real factual reality. I wont bother to reply to your idiotc attempts to discredit me…have fun in your fantasy versions of the bible…Eye Glasses may be apropriate for you too. Or find a person that Can Read whats wrote to explain to you.

        Oh and I dont recall I ever wrote “Gods servants LIARS”?…Just make it up as You go eh…Sounds alot like liberals today you do. make it up and refuse to admit when proven wrong! Yep…Liberal traits.

    33. European American

      The Zionist Jews have been methodically working on this “Incompetency” project for many, many years now. Look who the majority of the first Psychologists were and are today. Look who runs the Pharmaceutical world. Look who runs the AMA. LOOK WHO RUNS THE WORLD!

      You want to clean this up fast? You know who needs to be ferreted out of the system. Don’t need a massive internal civil war. Selected targets guilty of espionage, massive corruption and the systematic dismantling of the CONSTITUTION. No indiscriminate killing. Go to the Source.

      • Eisenkreuz

        Jews start all the wars of the world.

        • Angelo Mysteriouso

          Eizenkrutz: but NOT All jewsih folks are guilty of starting all wars. Just as not all blacks-whites-mexican-chineese-japs-etc are evil or bad.

          I agree if you say some groups seem to have a much higher proportion of their folks who do wrong or evils. But I do not believe there is any race nor group that 100% are bad end of story period.

          And if you look back at my posts I have stated many times things about several groups…Yet you will find that I never stated I Hate anybody or group Nor that I ever said all of whatever group or race is bad.

          Some people don’t Read what was wrote or they surmize that’s what is said…Some seem to think if you mention even a single person of a race or group that means you automatically Hate, or it is the same as you saying all are bad even if you mention only a single person.

          Example: I have stated what I think on Al Sharpton, and Idiots scramble to post a reply to call me a black hater or racist…Even though I mentioned but One single black man and His personal traits or evils etc.

          So perhaps if you clarify that you do not think all of a group are bad or wrong it assists other readers and you wont be misunderstood.

    34. AmeriKan Nightmare

      ‘US lawmakers forced to support Israel’ – Cynthia McKinney

      Iran poses no threat to AmeriKa or Israel .

      Former US lawmaker Cynthia McKinney says every candidate for Congress has to sign a pledge to vote for supporting the military superiority of Israel.

      “Every candidate for Congress at that time had a pledge. They were given a pledge to sign … that had Jerusalem as the capital city,” McKinney said in an interview with Press TV on Sunday.

      “You make a commitment that you would vote to support the military superiority of Israel that the economic assistant that Israel wants that you would vote to provide that,” she added.

      McKinney said that if a candidate does not sign the pledge or perform accordingly, “then you do not get money to run your campaign.”

      The former Congresswoman said that after she made the pledge issue public “the tactic changed.”

      “But this is what is done for 535 members of the United States Congress, 100 senators and 435 members of the House of Representatives have to now write a paragraph which basically says the same thing.”

      He comments came as US President Barack Obama vowed to sustain Israel’s military superiority over its neighbors at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s (AIPAC) annual gathering on Sunday.

      “We (the US) will maintain Israel’s qualitative military edge”… “We have increased military financing to record levels,” Obama said.


    35. Jack

      I love the way Dante described the Ninth Level of Hell. That level of Hell is reserved for politicians, bureaucrats and all other sorts of traitors. He said they were frozen in ice, up to various levels, surrounded by giants, and every passer-by got to urinate on their heads. If that is the case, I might take up beer drinking, again…

    36. oUCH

      Check out this list of arms manufacturers that are refusing to sell the government / police agencies unless the citizens living in those areas are also allowed by law to purchase their products… this is BRILLIANT !!!

      Now if bullet makers would do the same…. good for the goose, good for the gander.


    37. braveheart

      OK, everyone, I’m livid over this one, just like on that target article the other day. American Nightmare, I’m with you all the way. Just like a majority of people out there, I’ve got veterans in my family. In fact, they called me last night saying they got those same letters from the VA. They told me, “NO WAY WE’RE GIVING UP OUR GUNS!” To all veterans ou there, especially those who have had ANY kind of trouble with VA medical care in the past, tell them to forget about you giving up any weapons, PERIOD! As far as I’m concerned, THE VA AND ALL OTHER GOVT. AGENCIES ARE INCOMPETENT AND ARE IN NO POSITION TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON VETERANS OR ANYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY. ALL GOVT. AGENCIES CAN GO F#$% THEMSELVES, DHS INCLUDED! WHAT MAKES THE VA THINK THEY CAN PASS JUDGMENT ON ANYONE, WHEN THEY DON’T EVEN PROVIDE HALF-ASSED MEDICAL CARE TO THE VETS? The vets in my family avoid VA like it was HIV, and I don’t blame them. Anyone who’s ever been in a VA facility, you’ve already seen what ALL health care facilities will be like under Obamacare. IF ANYBODY SENDS ME SUCH A LETTER, I’LL SEND IT BACK TO THEM SAYING FORGET IT! Sorry about having so much caps lock; I’m in the same mood as i was in over that article on the DHS targets the other day. NOMI CATIMF Braveheart

      • Kulafarmer

        These issues are infuriating, these men and women have served their country, now are having their rights taken from them by government bureaucrats who havent served anything but a bunch of bullshit.
        Keep the passion friend,

      • Eisenkreuz

        Embrace the caps lock my preppa.

      • Piper Michael

        From a vietnam vet who agrees with your sentiment…
        Let the fire burn down to a bed of coals,
        that will keep you warm on the winters tide to come,
        as in the future, like a force of nature burning,

        will remember.

        So that in yon futures sweetened darkness,
        we can all cry HAVOC, and loose the dogs of war.

        But our hearts dear brother, must contend,
        and first live the days that never end.

    38. jerrytbg

      When you consider this will, apparently, be done without adjudication, impartially , is an outrage.
      I heard that they were trying to do something similar during the clinton era… errrrrrrr
      Being a vet myself…. well…you know how I feel…

    39. Gonetoolong

      I don’t know why anybody would want their kids to join the US armed forces at this point. Seeing how they are treated after service. Also the bullshit engagements they are placed into, and the way they are viewed in general (Benghazi). I will disuade all of my 4 children from entering any military service. Sad days in America.

      • jerrytbg

        I could give a score of accounts… but most recently one of my sailing buddy’s oldest son asked my opinion on “sighing up”…
        understand, this is a kid who was a danger to ANY game within 200yrds…;)
        I suggested …not…truth be told…it was selfish…
        We need shooters like him on the home front…:0

      • RickInOregon

        I have different reasons for not wanting my kids to serve.

    40. ROY

      In my experience (one friend and one family member) it is difficult to get a diagnosis that requires medical or mental treatment from the VA. (Unless it is to obvious to suppress) I understand there are two main reasons for this. One is the government does not want to pay for an entire group who were exposed to a number of things. They additionally don’t want to say you have a disability due to not wanting to pay the monthly disability checks to you and potentially an entire group. My point being does anyone here know of people who have had their gun rights taken from them? I am sure they exist and it would be helpful to learn the circumstances. Some explanations would be that the person is mentally ill and a danger to himself or others. Another would be a misdiagnosis stating someone is mentally ill and they in fact are not. Another would be the military avenging a grudge and falsely stating someone is mentally ill.
      In some cases I understand that someone who is highly trained could also be bi polar and at times should not be left alone and also not have a gun. In some cases, the VA could label a person with the wrong disease and take away rights. The false diagnosis would obviously be not just illegal but if a person weren’t mentally ill to start with they may soon be.
      Does anyone on this site have personal examples or other reasons they can think of? I would also be interested in how many times the VA has done this. I would also be interested in the hearing process and whether it is utilized in order to challenge the VA (Gov) taking away rights. Is there a chat room or site where retired or discharged military discuss these or like issues? Let me know if you know. Thanks

      • kimintn

        @roy – brandon raub’s story would probably interest you.

    41. Dick

      I hope everyone is planning on attending one of the 2-23 second amendment rallies going on tomorrow. People need to see that we will stand for the 1st and 2nd amendments. To our vets who are now being scrutinized even more intently I would like to thank you for service and you can count on me when SHTF.


      • BadAmerican

        Pacifica, CA.

        I will be there in my new NOMI ball cap.



        • Piper Michael

          Maybe you guys can post some info and pictures for us who will be with you in spirit….?

    42. JAS

      Ironically, this will stop people from going to the doctors and getting medical attention because of fear of the government. Obamacare was suppose to get more people covered, but what good will it do if they will not now seek medical services. My late father (a 23 year army vet) once told his doctor in idle chat that he sometimes got very angry at some of the things said on tv. The doctor imediately called family members and suggested that maybe he should not be allowed to have access to guns. He had never shown any indication of being violent. Today the doctor would probably notify the police that he was not competent to own firearms. Watch what you say to whoever you are talking to today.

      • JayJay

        This post above is why I will attend my husband to the VA checkup this Wednesday; will stay with him in every room; will caution/practice each question’s response –again.
        I am not depressed.
        I am not suicidal.
        I am in control of my life.
        I do not own guns.

        • sixpack

          A psychiatrist is nothing more than a walking, talking prescription pad.

          • JayJay

            As are many, many doctors.

            • sixpack

              absolutely, JayJay!

    43. braveheart

      Eisenkreuz, your points are well taken, but please unlock your caps. At least I set limits on my caps lock. I feel the same way you do, but you sound like you’re about to have a stroke. Settle down. braveheart

      • Eisenkreuz


        • Daisy

          E ~

          You’re WRONG. Either one is correct. Please, stop correcting people. It’s truly obnoxious.

          If you are worried about misspellings making us look bad, shouldn’t you also be concerned about your self-proclaimed glee at the death of millions, your often misogynistic rants and your notable omissions of the humble apostrophe?

          Truly, I’m asking as nicely as possible – please stop with the spellcheck.



          • Eisenkreuz

            I will try to show the apostrophe some love.

    44. StopItNow

      So what is the benefit of this program? now vets that need help will not get iti in fear of losing rights and what is the government going to do go blow away the vets that fought for the country? That doesnt sound like good pr.

    45. AmeriKan Nightmare

      HOLY CRAPOLLA a must watch … CANADA PIGS GO WILD !!!


      4 Canadian Police Officers Lose It & Brutally Beat helpless Suspect ;0P

      Police Come Upon Self Surrendered Prone Robbery Suspect , Proceed To Beat the sheeit out of Him Viciously … WTF CANADA ???


    46. Paranoid

      We must all speak with one voice: “Molon Labe”

      • Piper Michael

        We must devise a plan to do the speaking.
        Or else we are simply a herd of cats.

        • Highspeedloafer

          I heard Wayne Rogers, a talking head on Cavuto say, We’re gonna have a milliom men with guns on the mall in Washington if we don’t fix this mess. I am glad there are a few in the media who can sense the mood out here.

          • Piper Michael

            Trapper John, is a good man.
            I saw that…
            Cavuto is on top of it, but would simply like to keep his job…

    47. Boss Hog

      Ya know its pretty much at the point now that everything is unconstitutional, illegal,so much so that it really doesnt matter what they think, plan, scheme or do. Its tyranny and If not now then soon everyone is gonna be touched by these gangsters. This isnt anything new most of us know enough history to recognize this for what it is. They are comming for your guns.One way or another they will dissarm everyone. Eventually something is gonna crack (the patience of the American people) and we could be knee deep in civil war or ethnic, race, tribal if you will style situation like Bosnia or Afgahnistan. However if we dont snap at some point then its off to the FEMA camps for reeducation and rfid chip. Its a great start to the tribulation note to self more ammo.

    48. Patriot One

      Here is my one voice to these government idiots, FUCK YOU!!! Sorry for my language, but just who do they think protects their sorry asses? Who do they thinks protects their freedoms?

      • sixpack

        “Who do they thinks protects their freedoms?”

        Well, their tax payer-paid body guards, of course. Then they exempt themselves from their own gun restrictions. Then they wouldn’t know what to do without the armed security guards at the gate of their gated communities, who keep the “riff-raff” out. The state-of-the-art security grids they all own. And lastly, their own hubris.

        • Patriot One

          Just where do you think the body guards got most of their training? When the SHTF these idiots are going to be screaming for security as their guards turn on them. Read your history, it happens every time. The masses at the gates with pitch forks and clubs. The guards look at the ones they are to protect with disdain then turn and walk away.

          • lastmanstanding

            Especially when they realize that no one is protecting their family.

            Not to mention that dollars will be worthless.

    49. braveheart

      Say When, welcome aboard and that was some of the best humor I’ve ever heard anywhere. I even printed a copy of it. It IS priceless!

    50. Ugly

      Psycological evaluation:

      These folks do not get gun:
      1. White Christian Males.
      2. Republican or Tea Party
      3. White women married to white men
      4. Veterans
      5. White women at bible study

      These folks can have a gun:
      1. Gang Members
      2. Convicts
      3. Democrats concerned about Republicans
      4. UN and NATO for Peace Keeping
      5. Chinese National Guard cause US Soldiers are elsewhere
      6. NWO Banksters
      7. President and Senators
      8. Movie Stars and Billionares

      Pretty easy decsions really?

      • Piper Michael

        Like I’ve been saying Ugly…exactly.

        THEY THINK they know that 80% of white folks will bitch moan and complain, then follow the law.
        They all think that 80% of black folks, will NOT.
        The 80-20 rule.

        They are disarming vets, and white folks. Their only TRUE opposition.

        The III, we’re everywhere.

        • Ugly

          Piper….true. Gun control is not aimed at all facets of America, but only to a few selected groups. It is a focused gun control.

          While they are disarming others, they are arming themselves.

          If civil war breaks out someday, I hope Mexico and Canada will be ready for the new version of illegal immigration. This will spill into their countries as people try to flee the tyranny and violence.

          Lets hope we are all wrong and things change for the better. Do you have any hope?

          • Piper Michael

            The numbers and political deadlock in DC speaks for itself. It is only a matter of time before the Chinese, Arabs, Russians and their allies, gang up on us and kill the dollar. This is already being done as they finish up their “Dollar kill switch”. This is a gold based barter currency system to bypass the SWIFT system of trade settlements.

            When this is complete, and they have aligned all the ‘allies’ they can peel off from the dollar system, they will throw the switch. Will it be war? It always is…but first comes the pain and the blame, the gas and the food riots when the trucks stop, martial law, etc.

            This may begin this summer, but it won’t be the end of US, just maybe the U.S… if we, the patriot community, could just organize a network of producers and do like they are doing in Spain we might be ok… unless we are invaded or attacked outright.

            I don’t see the ‘crash’ happening until 2014-15, but it too, could be a slow affair starting with import failures of oil and products. Who the hell knows? No man knows the future, that’s why we have ‘contingency’ plans…

            I dunno ugly, trends are terrible, but complexity is beyond prediction. My thoughts are, that the dollar will crash, the Arabs will demand gold for oil, or a poison pill. Being, national submission to Allah for oil. That’s what I would do, if I were the enemy. There are just too many nasty looking dots happening, and the sense of denial coming out of DC is frightening in more ways than one.

            Machiavelli was right… its all about who wants to be the big dog on the block.
            Sadly, our Dear Leader, is out of his depth, or his strings are being pulled hard by the Ibankers. My guess is the latter, and the deals are already made as to who gets what part of CONUS, while Dear Leader gets to be King Governor or some such crap as he makes out the republican party, capitalism and christians to be a criminal mafia. They cannot have a one world government, without the outright elimination of Christianity, and this new pope plays into it, I have a feeling. Just a feeling.

            • Angelo Mysteriouso

              Piper: if you haven’t as yet?…And based upon what you wrote I think you may not be aware of or have not researched as yet something called te “Noahide” laws..IE: 7-Basic Laws which branch Out into a total of aprox 65-70 laws total. All offence of each noahide law carries the Death penalty by Decapitation! behaedings!

              Yet this has zero to do with Any form of sharia laws nor Islamic laws of any type.

              George Bush jr made it Official fed code law when he signed into us code fed law, “National Education Day” a fed law to honor education, and also hidden in details of it is also Recognition of the birthday of a certain Rabbi, Rabbi Shneerson…Hes now dead(died aprox 10 yrs ago if I recall) but Shneerson himself an Orthodox Rabbi(wear too small black wide brim hats and suits in all black like funeral director), was by Most all other orthodox jewsih rabbis and reg folks to be their Messiah.

              No joke Piper. I Read the Entire fed code law of Noahide stuff and How it got passed the exact same method as the 1913 fed res act was done! Pased by 4-voice vote(unrecorded as to who voice-voted) AFTER the entire rest of senate and congress reps were sent Home for xmass holidays!(same as fed reserve act was swindled eh).

              I have a website BY a former Kalif US Rep who was a us rep 16 yrs. Then he retired from us congress. He was of those sent home for xmass when it got passed without his knowledge. He not only lists the entire Actual Noahide fed laws, but an expose’ of who and how passed it etc.

              It seems the Real true plans the globalists and NWO types are planning to do is that. The Noahide laws.

              Number One of 7 main laws= ALL forms Idol worship is forbidden…Guess what them who plan to Rule by it considers Jesus Christ and Christians?…YEP! acording to Noahide laws Christ is a False God/Idol and all christians that refuse to stop beliefs in Jesus etc will get BEHEADED when found guilty of “Idol” worship.

              Another noahide law is for Stealing. That also gets you Beheaded if convicted!…

              Now consider this, Noahide fed laws, ONLY applies to ALL gentiles!…Because They believe the 10-commandments were God given to Mosses ONLY to Pertain to Jewish folks!…SO this is reason Noahide laws are soooo needed…Because if 10 comandments Only apply to jews, they Need laws that do apply to gentiles!

              Therefore all jews are Exempt from all noahide laws.

              And I do think this Noahide law stuff just may be the kinda hidden Real agenda soon planned for americans. Check it out see what you think of it all Piper. I have a link to that US Reps site with all of this info if you need it I will find it to give you.

              • Piper Michael

                Never heard of this…
                And I’m from Missouri… so please, educate me.
                I never turn down any crazy theories or other tinfoil stuff, I take it all in.
                I call this the Way of Knowledge. No discrimination, no labels, no categorization. I put it all in and stir the pot. What is a good ‘dot’ will connect to another good dot, form a connection, and they will support each other. These are the dots of Light. The ‘bad’ dots will fall of their own darkness and disconnect themselves from the knowledge banks.

                I don’t like Jews as far as I’ve been exposed to them. I try not to lump whole peoples into generalized groups. But, in their case, I at least accept that they are usually arrogant, and brutal businessmen. I will never knowingly do business with another one.

                I also think, that the prophetic influence of The Chosen, is not ‘Jew’, but all the tribes, since we, the white people, are the lost ten tribes and the sons of Abraham. We, are the 10 horns or Shofars, that sit on the Beast in control, in fulfillment of the prophecy of Abraham. A great nation and company of nations…eh?

                The Jewish banker thing, is, I think, a ruse of some very smart white folks, impersonating Jews, just to stir up passions against them. Not that they, the Jews themselves are not inordinately rich and part of that ‘club’. Just that they are not the whole club. I think there are factions fighting for control of the whole enchilada. Thus, Bauer became Rothschild… 😉

                God bless

                • Angelo Mysteriouso

                  PIPER: HERE!

                  NOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEGALLY KILL CHRISTIANS (I will Post the Link for this as there is Much more to Read. BUT, I will make a new post to Follow this posting incase mods holds it up due to link added ok,,Angelo)

                  Bill Dannemeyer
                  U.S. Congressman, 1979-1992

                  Your U.S. government can now legally kill Christians for the “crime” of worshipping Jesus Christ! A diabolic deception has been perpetrated on the American people by their OWN leaders, Senators and Congressmen, who have sold their soul to the devil. On March 5, 1991, in the House of Representatives, and March 7, 1991, in the U.S. Senate, without any knowledge of, or input by, the people of the United States, U.S. Senators and Congressmen passed a law that is so outrageous – and frankly unconstitutional – that it forces the American people to be bound by a set of monstrous rules, called the Noahide Laws, rules that make the belief in Jesus Christ a crime punishable by decapitation by guillotine! On March 20, 1991, President George H.W. Bush, a supposed Christian, signed the bill into law.

                  Before you respond, “NO, that cannot be – not in our free country!” let me explain.

                  The passage of this law, HJ Res. 104, is especially troublesome to me because I was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives at the time it was passed. Even worse, I was in the House Chamber the very day that is was passed, voting on other legislation. Yet I, as a U.S. Congressman, had NO KNOWLEDGE that it had been passed or even that it was to be brought up for a vote.

                  How could this be? How could the deception be so pervasive that those of us who had sworn to uphold our country’s Constitution, particularly those of us (few, indeed) who really took our position seriously as the protectors of the people, could be totally in the dark regarding the content of this bill and its passage by the leaders of this country – by treachery and deceit?

                  HERES the Final end part.

                  The Noahide Laws are to become the national, though undeclared, religion of America. The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits Congress from passing a law which establishes a religion for the United States of America. If another 9-11 type “terrorist” incident takes place, and Martial Law is declared, it is likely that the claim would be made that since the Noahide Laws have been recognized by Congress as the “basis of our civilization” and that according to the third Noahide Law, anyone who worships Jesus Christ violates this law, he or she may be characterized as a terrorist. Then the Talmudic penalty for violating any of the Noahide Laws, namely decapitation, would be enforced.

                  No American should underestimate the ferocity of the commitment of the Zionist Jews to control the entire political system of the world through the One World Government now being created, and in so doing administer “Justice” as they define it.

                  The main goal of the Zionist Jews and their New World Order is exactly the same as it was when Jesus was on earth – to exterminate Christ – and His followers! Nothing has changed.

          • REB

            Gun Control is simply code for people control…just sayin…

    51. AmeriKan Nightmare

      THE ZIONIST JEWS AMERIKA FIREARMS DIS-ARMAMENT PLAN of it’s Goyim Gentile tax debt slaves .


      hmmmmmm I wonder where todays Zionist Jews get their ideas from …

      Nazis quickly learned that they needed only a hundred ordinary military policemen to exterminate towns of a thousand Polish Jews in a single day. Contrast that fact with the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. If the Jews had not first been disarmed, using previous gun registration lists as a map for confiscation, the Holocaust would not have been possible.

      Likewise in the Soviet Union and in every other case, democide was preceded by “reasonable and commonsense” firearms registration, followed eventually by gun confiscation and then by the extermination of a despised minority population.

      Coming soon to MainStreet AmeriKa , bet on it !!!


    52. Be informed

      First of all the U.S health care system is absolutely awful. Next you risk real danger going into the wrong dr. quack, especially how they will pump you full of chemicals that will likely destroy your immune system. Next you probably can’t trust dr. quack, because he or she likely works for “the man”. You don’t tell dr. quack anything other than exactly what they want to hear if you have to be treated by dr. quack. NEVER go into any dr. quack “head” doctor because they can make a totally sane person into something that they are not.

      You see how BO and these guv’ment agencies want to use the excuse of finding anyway of taking away your protection. It is so disgusting that I am upsetting myself talking about it. I think I will go back and try to figure out where the next big disaster is going to happen. This government stinks like every orifice on that ogress lamia feinsteinless, especially its mouth.

      • Piper Michael

        Arf… the thought… we really need a barf icon…

        • jerrytbg

          Summit one…I’d use it when appropriate…;)

      • BigB


        You are one of the smartest and level headed guys on this site. Don’t fall into the trap they have set for people such as yourself. Getting smart people like you upset is the goal. And I know I can speak for a some of other people on this board when I say that when you get upset you upset a lot of us. Because we believe that if you are upset there is a really bad problem. Which there is. Respects, BigB

        Had a peanut butter and honey sandwich lately? 🙂

        • Be informed

          @ BigB. You are correct as usual and I changed my focus to something different. I just sent a comment with 3 links explaining the how the New Madrid functions that should really interest a lot of people that live within a couple hundred miles of it and their very lives could be in danger WHEN it breaks. Did you know that the New Madrid will shake 20 times more so than the San Andreas will as one of these articles stated. I still think it is more like 30 times as this would be one full magnitude more so than the oceanic crust on the Pacific. When Mac approves the sites you and others can check this out.

          I am watching that 17 degree north on the Mid Atlantic Ridge for movement, within 3 degrees or so of it as a precursor to the New Madrid going. Later when it comes up you might find these 3 different sites interesting. When the New Madrid breaks, if it is like 1812, this country is going to be in a serious world of hurt, probably more so than the San Andreas breaking.

          • kimintn

            @ BI thank you for re-directing your pent up energy 🙂 most everyone can vent; not everyone can analyse plates…

          • BigB

            @BI, what would the situation be like if the New Madrid acted in the manner you stated? Where and what would the damage be? Lifes lost? Property damaged?

      • Merree

        I hope I don’t get lumped in with Dr Quack. I would hate to be on your bad side.
        I appreciate the “ogress lamia” imagery.

        I also appreciate the New Madrid fault info. I think I am far enough away to be safe but I have to travel through the area frequently.
        Have you come across the “New Madrid Earthquake Library”-seven books about the New Madrid Fault by Gutenberg-Richter Publications? I only have their fault finders guide. It lists tours of the New Madrid area that highlight geological remains of the previous major earthquake. Maybe someday I will have a chance to go down there and follow their trails.
        Anyway, thank you so much for your work on this important topic.

        • Be informed

          @ Merree. Sorry for missing your comment. I have known some excellent quality physicians that actually are concerned with one issue, healing the patient. Unfortunately now, the medical fields as well as so many other aspects of the country are falling into the rapid decay of society. Thankfully we still have individuals of all fields that still have a conscience, but this is becoming rarer as the end times whatever they may be approach.

          There is only so much planet and so many resources, there is a ceiling on population and how much humans can use of the Earth before the consequences come back. My guess would be a deadly plague out of India or other tropical petri dish, or war and fighting over what is left. It seems like so many different species go through this, even plant life. The decay I talk about is so widespread now in so many facets of life. Just look at the law enforcement that has three different names; policemen or policewomen, cop, and pig. There are four types of doctors; the good ones that deserve the title of doctor healer, health “practicer”, dope pusher, and quack or witch doctor. I so much respect the doctor healer.

          • Merree

            I agree with you completely. One of the reasons I am exiting the medical profession is that is becoming increasingly difficult to practice medicine in a humane and rational fashion.
            I think that one of the main reasons that electronic health records are being pushed is so that third party sources can dictate what doctors do. They are setting up review committees that will base doctor’s pay on how well they follow protocols and those protocols come from research paid for by Big Pharma.
            I also agree with your epidemic scenario. It seems that one way to solve the whole rising costs of helath care would be to allow an epidemic sweep through the population and kill off the elderly and those with chronic illnesses.
            It saddens me how many people buy into the medicate mindset. People will come in after 6 hours! of having a cold and demand antibiotics. I say no but I see their chart later and they asked another doctor and got what they wanted. That doctor got rated higher than me because the clinic used patient satisfaction surveys to determine who was doing the best job. It worries me because these are the kinds of behaviors that are leading to drug resistence and possible future epidemics too.
            Any way, thanks for the reply. Your work is greatly appreciated.

      • Anonymous

        BEAUTIFULLY SAID, Be Informed. I especially liked the last part about the old frankenstein bat.

    53. rachel

      it seems to me if someone was too incompetent to own a weapon then that person would have to br brain damaged and not have the ability to drive a car or balance a checkbook. Very wierd wording used. won’t stand up in court.

    54. Underwater Comms

      This is the exact reason I checked “no” on every bit of my military retirement physical paperwork that had anything to do with my nugget. I listed my shoulder surgeries and that was it.

      Are you or have you ever been depressed – Nope
      Do you feel sad or down more than two days a week – Nope
      Do you have suicidal thoughts – Nope
      Do you feel safe in your house – Yes (ok…I had to say yes to that one. The only people that shouldn’t feel safe in my house are those that are breaking in).

    55. Merree

      As a physician, please do not come into my office and say “I want to commit suicide and I have a gun” or “I am so mad at my girlfriend that I could take my gun and shoot her head off”.

      You would be surprised at how many people will come into an emergency room or office and say something like that. Many times they say that to get other people to pay attention to them and take them seriously. Or they may be angry or drunk.

      However, once I hear threats like this, I am required to take action. In the state where I live this can mean committing someone to the psych ward or at least setting up psychiatric counselling.

      If I do not do this and the person follows through on their threat, I can lose my license. I also have to notify anyone who is the potential victim of such a threat as well as the authorities. If you threaten the President, even in joking, I am required to notify the federal government.

      Sometimes it can be heartbreaking to have to do this. I saw one man who was being verbally harrassed by his girlfriend so he came into the ER with her,and he began going into detail about how he was going to kill himself. We ended up having to keep him on the psych ward. If it had been up to me alone, I would have let him go home because I could see that he was just distraught and tired of dealing with an obnoxious person. (I really felt his girlfriend was the one who should have been admitted but she didn’t make any “dangerous” comments.) But when suicidal threats are made in front of nurses, social workers, and numerous staff members, there’s no way this can end without a hospitalization. And this means that the outburst will always be on the poor man’s medical record.

      I wouldn’t want anyone to think I am suggesting that people shouldn’t get needed help but it is also important to realize that there are legal standards that medical professionals are required to adhere to. It is also important to realize that the more witnesses to statements, the more things can be misinterpreted. A comment made privately to a trusted clinician could go differently than a comment made in front of a room of medical staff. Just be aware of your surroundings and how your behavior could be interpreted by others.

      • jerrytbg

        Is it possible these “rules” , were put in place to accomplish the same objective…
        It’s my understanding that these people judged by their peers in the past and disarmed when necessary.
        You said it yourself, you made a judgment in that one case but was mandated to report him…
        We all have to understand that what is coming upon us is generational in scope…
        Slow and methodical…but the pace is quickening now…over the last few decades…
        The change is close…no?

        • Merree

          Many of these rules have been in place for decades. The rule about reporting threats came about after the Tarasoff case in 1976 when a patient threatened to kill someone. This was kept confidential and then they actually followed through on their threat. The result was massive lawsuits and a change in expectations.

          However, the way rules are used and interpreted do change over time. I have observed variations between practitioners as well. For some reason many social workers seem to be extremely severe in being antigun, promedicating, and against allowing individual variations. They seem to be trying to fit everyone in the same peg and become distressed when this doesn’t work.

          When I was an undergraduate, I had a social worker give me a mental status exam. I told her I thought TV was stupid and made several other comments like this. I was taking a psychology class and I wanted to find put more about the testing that was done.The test came back showing me as passive aggressive with other pathologies.

          Then when I was a medical student I did the same test again with a social worker who knew I was a med student. The test came back with a glowing report as to my mental health. I have never placed much stock in those tests since then. I am glad the first test is not on my medical record.

      • clint hospo

        glad you posted that about losing your license. that makes sense and a lot of people joke but they dont know how serious this person really is making a threat they are going to kill themselves or someone else. You have to make a probe on that person as well and Im sure a lot of things are running in your mind. It’s a good reminder to keep your mouth shut because they people dont know who you really are and they are just doing their job, not to get you in trouble but to protect you possibly and their job. Makes sense. glad you explained that in detail.

      • Kindle

        This is why I stopped going to any doctors in 1998.

        You are bound by law and there really is no confidentiality. I would have to be dying before I would ever step foot in a doctors office or hospital again. I am actually more healthy now that I don’t rely on the medical community to “fix” me.

        • jerrytbg

          I tell ya Kindle, I wish I could live that way…
          If it weren’t for the local VAMC I would have been dead more than a decade ago…
          Those people saved my life more than once…I could never repay them.
          No details…I just have high respect and admiration for them, in contrast to what others have experienced. What some vets don’t understand is that they are people too. That’s sad.

          • Kindle

            I hear ya. I have respect for the doctors but I learned the hard way that they are bound by the rules. It’s the system I don’t trust.

            Take care

            • jerrytbg

              However, if a rapport is developed over the long term truly based on mutual respect., you just might find yourself swapping recipes on various protein sources such as fish or venison…J
              No joke…my PC Physician is one of the most wonderful and interesting people I’ve ever met.
              She does understand what’s going on, of that I have no doubt. Would defend her with my life…
              It’s because of her I’m still here…giving what I can.
              And yes I understand that flows in the vein of survivors guilt…but it can also be very real…

    56. AmeriKan Nightmare

      The privately owned controlled Federal Reserve RIGHT NOW is pumping 100’S hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars into EU banks right now trying to stop the European Union and the Euro Dollar from collapsing .



      coming to ameriKa real soon …

      GOT PHYZZ PM’S ???


    57. Gulag UK

      In Soviet Russia, Psychiatrist disarms you!

    58. Be informed

      @ Triggerman. On your question regarding the New Madrid on the previous article about what to expect. The Weather Channel did a piece on this “It could happen tomorrow” that was okay about the New Madrid. Basically the New Madrid is really a difficult type of fault that has a hard time just breaking once and then all the pressure is released. It is a fault that by the shape of the North American continent is more like the north central area of the Australian plate. Much warping is going on that people don’t see because the hard rock is buried under a lot of silt sediment. This soil is quite deep from all the run off from the north.

      If you could see the fault, the rock would look like it had been twisted from different directions, as it has been because of the plates to the south that play on the south and central portions of the North American plate. What happens is you get an uneven break when it breaks. Some faults break clean and release their energy in a common earthquake and then doesn’t break again for hundreds or even thousands of years. The ones that break uneven are terrible, as many times they partially relock themselves and then have another earthquake. This is what is likely with the New Madrid like in 1812 when it broke 3 times.

      The actual fault breaking will shake for as short as 30 seconds up to several minutes, determining this will be how much of the fault breaks and what type of soil is under you. When you loose the stability of the soil during intense shaking, it can take ahile for the soil to gain back its firmness. Many people in the 1755 Portugal earthquake were literally shallowed up into the sand and dirt in some spots like quicksand. The last time the New Madrid broke there were what is called sand spits, as the water was forced out by the intense shaking like what happens when you squeeze a sponge.

      Out in california they SAY that the buildings are constructed to sway and not fall down when the San Andreas breaks. This doesn’t matter unless the building is anchored to the bedrock or other rock below because the soil when it moves so does everything else. Buildings anywhere that have not been anchored when an earthquake strikes are completely at the mercy of what the dirt does. Most buildings are not anchored to anything along the New Madrid and even worse are not up to most earthquake codes of building that for example reinforce joists. It is going to be awful.

      The New Madrid will likely shake with the same energy as the the San Andreas, maybe a little more. The much denser rock below will amplify this energy much more so than less dense oceanic rock. The shockwaves could be a full magnitude larger than the San Andreas or other Pacific Rim of Fire quakes. What is even worse is it is like Mother Nature finishing off the job WHEN another equal or larger quake comes hours, days or weeks later, just like in 1812. Buildings can only take some much before coming apart, especially buildings that have not been constructed to last.

      Without taking up further space on the debacle of the government trying to take away our guns article, here are three sites that can help further explain more about the New Madrid to everyone:



      A must read: http://www.dnr.mo.gov/geology/geosrv/geores/techbulletin1.htm

      • Triggerman

        Thanks BI….I and I’m certain many others here deeply appreciate the info and the links. Going to check them out now.

    59. NetRanger

      Everything is a probe. They do these things to see how the populace will react. How this is swallowed will determin their next move.

      • lastmanstanding

        Probing is an excellent way of get info.

        Two can play that game.

    60. Paranoid

      Actually at the rate we are losing guns and ammo in boating accidents TPTB won’t have anything to worry about soon. Anyone got TAR?

      • NeoIsolationist

        Thanks Paranoid. I laughed out loud at that one. Need to clean my keyboard of spit coffee. I really needed that. +1.

    61. Ted Kennedy

      I don’t really own anything. Not taking anything out. He just lets me use & trade while I’m here.

    62. DungeonMaster

      I am in NW WA, and we are bringing back the “Committee of Safety” to our commuity. I suggest everyone look into doing this in their own communities. Had our first meeting last night, and had about 25 patriots show up to discuss what is coming. This type of organization is what originally gave birth to our nation via the 1st and 2nd Continental Congress. Perhaps it can be used again for a “re-birth” back to our founding principles.

      • SmokinOkie

        Community is vital in self defense, prepping and many other areas. I’m a strong believer in working with others for our mutual benefit and survival. However, it’s also vital to remember that your group, or ANY similar group, will likely be infiltrated by agents of TPTB. If any of your group members are close friends or family (people you know and trust implicitly), remind them that they should never divulge too much, nor express ANY comments that could be used for a sting operation.
        Remind them to be wary of any group member who tries to get others to join him in making threats, usually expressing his own hatred or violent desires toward the gov. He may be a legitimate member just blowing off steam. Or he may be a narc, setting up future fall guys.
        Then there’s the ‘friendly narc.’ This guy wants to get too close, too soon. He’s very curious. A little too curious about how many arms you have, or what kind, or where you practice shooting, etc. He’ll ask for help in sighting in or fixing a gun. Next thing you know, he wants to join you at your private shooting range, or invite you to his. Watch out for this kind! Soon, he’ll talk his way into your house, and while you think he’s there on an innocent visit, just chatting or shooting with you at the range, he’s actually cataloging everything you have and where it’s kept.
        It may sound like paranoia, but security demands that you maintain a certain level of secrecy. No legitimate Patriot would compromise his opsec. Nor would he expect you to.
        One last bit of advice- undercover agents are veeerrrrryy patient. They spend months setting up stings on major drug deals. How much more time would they invest in a so-called terrorist sting? Therefore, this level of self protection should NEVER be reduced. Even months or years into the groups activities. Only when the New American Revolution is well underway, can we afford to fully trust the group members.
        I’m sure you already knew all of this, DungeonMaster, but there are lots of new people here and perhaps some of them can benefit from the info.
        Best to you and the folks in WA. -okie

        • Eisenkreuz

          That is why I’m completely against the idea of communities. I’m sure theres a lot a fucking pigs reading this blog right now. And I hope their houses all get struck by asteroids.

          Death to spies.

          • durango kidd

            “Freedom Cells” are singular, skilled individuals, or tight knit family and long time friends advocating for and vigorously defending the US Constitution when push comes to shove.

            These are “active”, grass roots connections moving independently to accomplish a particular task or goal; who are self aware, patriotically motivated, and receive a special self satisfaction knowing that they have executed a job well done on behalf of a grateful nation.

            This is Seal Team America.

            We are ALL Seal Team America, but some are more skilled and psychologically prepared for a particular task than others. These specialists have received letters from the VA notifying them of their special status due to their exceptional skills.

            “Committee’s of Safety” are neighborhood groups (ie HOA’s) or organizations (militia), or concerned citizens, who will want to come together to divide responsibility for night watches and patrols when push comes to shove or the golden horde begin to move.

            These groups may be political in nature and if so, there is strength in numbers and they can multiply their voice through an organized group. If armed, these groups should be designed to guard and defend their area.

            I would personally recommend that these groups of individuals also join their local Sheriff’s Posse for training and to support (LLE)Local Law Enforcement who will need backup against NWO Thugs and Merc’s, when the shit goes down, down the road. They are US. WE are them.

            Support your LLE.

            • Daisy

              Support your local law enforcement? Are you HIGH? I know there are some members of law enforcement who are honorable, but a blanket endorsement of support?

              No freaking way.

              There are too many jack-booted thugs in local law enforcement – all you need to do is check any alternative website or Youtube to find THOUSANDS of videos of LLEs abusing the crap out of people.

              • durango kidd

                No Daisy, I am not HIGH. It is local Law Enforcement who are OUR first line of defense against the NWO Gun Grabbers; especially Sheriffs.

                The American people need to back OUR Sheriffs. These are elected officials and for the most part align with the rights of the American people.

                From my conversations with many COPS, I know that the bulk of them, at least in Arizona, support the Second Amendment and the people.

                It is one thing for some COPS to abuse the crap out of some people, illegally, to assert their authority out of a sense of insecurity. It is another thing altogether for them to side with the Federal Government against the States and the will of the people.

                That difference is life and death.

                The relationship between and the solidarity of the people and LLE needs to be cultivated within OUR communities now, more than ever.

                Americans should feel free to shoot any bastard in blue that asks for OUR guns. 🙂

      • Paranoid

        Oddly we have already set up “Committees of Correspondence”.
        This is one.

    63. GrayFoxGreen

      Greetings Everyone!
      More of the same wickedness from the “self-serving folks in D.C.”….
      There’s something truly weird and evil going on there in D.C. and elsewhere here in the Republic.I don’t claim to “foretell” or know the future,but some form of totalitarian government is seeming to take shape.They’re using the thinnest of excuses and “false flags events” to justify ALL their actions.I don’t understand what Obama’s doing one bit.I’m guessing he may have chosen to be the “front man” or mouthpiece for whatever runup is coming.It will all become much clearer as time progresses,no doubt about it.As I recall there was a version of “Mr.Smith goes to Washington” where Jimmy Stewart fails and dies.It was changed before it hit the theaters.If there were any copies left,it would be even more relevant today than ever before.I guess too that a little prepping and prayer might see us thru better than just prayer alone.I for one won’t comprise with TPTB one single iota when they reach my personal “you shall not pass” line.Everyone’s line is drawn somewhere.We may be headed toward a Nazi type state,with both a war within and without.Just like Nazi Germany,millions will suffer and die because of the greed of the 1%ters.At least of they do kill me.I have J.Christ’s assurance of a Resurrection.So I will NOT allow these Godless money and power worshipers of Baal to get me to “cooperate with the plan”.They can only kill me once.They have to live in fear everyday that God will execute HIS judgement upon them.And sometimes God uses men to accomplish his will.Stay strong,and have faith in God’s purposes and this wicked time will pass in but a moment.
      Best to All

    64. Stay Frosty

      “What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition.”

      I would chuckle, crumble the letter and toss it into my fire. I would then send a message to the U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs with a simple phrase: “Molon Labe”.

      I would then proceed to bug out with like-minded patriots to our state capitol, where we would excercise our God-given right to bear arms and overthrow tyranny.

      Stay frosty, my fellow patriots

      Romans 13:4

    65. SmokinOkie


      In light of the ongoing financial struggles of all members of the EU, and especially considering that Moody’s has downgraded the credit rating of the UK–
      Until further notice, all visitors to Buckingham Palace are requested not to steal the silverware. Mum may need to pawn it if things get much tighter. Thank you for your assistance in this matter.
      Farthington Fancyham
      Chief Butler to
      Her Highly Royalness, Queen Elizabeth

    66. 22winmag

      Off with their heads!

    67. SmokinOkie

      Here’s the latest updates on the
      New American Lexicon Of Politically Acceptable Terms otherwise known as the Weasel Words Dictonary–

      Meaning- Secret gov agencies spreading deadly pathogens among populace
      Old Term- Poisoning Citizens
      New Term- Quantitative Diseasing

      Meaning- To ignore mass public opinion against the administration and report just the opposite
      Old Term- Propaganda
      New Term- Positive Polarity Polling

      Meaning- Non-uniformed jack booted thugs kick in the door of a home and kill innocent people
      Old Term- Gestapo Assassination
      New Term- No Knock Warrant

      Meaning- 15 million invading illegal aliens enter the coutry and are rewarded with citizenship
      Old Term- Amnesty
      New Term- Immigration Reform

      Meaning- Young men who risk their lives to go overseas and fight in a war. War may be real or phony, doesn’t matter. When they return home they are:
      Old Term- Veterans or Heroes
      New Term- Potential Domestic Terrorist

      Meaning- A counterfiet document
      Old Term- Forgery
      New Term- President’s Birth Certificate
      Other New Term- President’s Soc Sec Card

      Meaning- Various criminals
      Old Term- Tax Cheat
      New Term- Secretary of the Treasury

      Old term- Arms Smuggler
      New Term- Attorney General

      Old term- Communist Subversive
      New Term- Supreme Court Justice

      Old Term(s)- Faggot, Commie, Pinko, Socialist, Race-Baiting White Hater, Christian Hater, America Hater, Pathological Liar, SOB
      New Term- Mr. President

      A group of organized criminals
      Old Term- Mafia
      New Term- The Whole Damned Federal Government

      Meaning- Spasmodic young black man, unable to speak intelligibly
      Old term(s)- Possible Epileptic, Possible Junkie Withdrawal
      New Term- Rap Star and/or Millionaire Athlete

      Meaning- An alternate universe where up is down, right is wrong, rationality is derided while insanity is celebrated as good
      Old Term(s) Land of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, A Bad Acid Trip
      New Term- America’s New Normal

      • Zoltanne

        ROFL! You really do have fun inside-your-head! 🙂

      • Former Cal Girl

        Okie, thanks for always interjecting humor that is spot on!

      • Eagle 71

        It’s 11:59 on Radio Free America; this is Uncle Sam, with music, and the truth until dawn. Right now I’ve got a few words for some of our brothers and sisters in the occupied zone:
        “the chair is against the wall, the chair is against the wall”;
        “john has a long mustache, john has a long mustache”;
        “okie is at the comedy club, okie is at the comedy club”.

      • Piper Michael

        Argh… now we have NEWSPEAK !

    68. Say When


      JANET N.

    69. JoeinNC

      It is not disarmament you should worry about. It is being able to arm yourself if you choose to. Thanks to fuckheads like you who, in collusion with the gun and ammo makers, have created a false sense of fear that have led to overprices guns and ammo. Many people who wish to exercise thier second amendment rigths cannot. Now, only the elite whom you speak so often speak out against, can afford to exercise their second amendment rights. You morons really are not champions of the second amendment, but covert operatives of the elite. You have done your job well, for you have convinced many sheeple you have their interests at heart, all the while leading them down the path of destrustion and furthering empowering the elite to crush the masses. Well done, sirs, well done!

      • JustOneGuy

        @ JoeinNC,

        You’re outta here Joe…a little Ray Charles here,

        “Hit the road Jack amd dont’cha come back no more no more, no more, no more..Hit the road Jack and dont’cha come back no more.”

        You’ll be ‘insta-blotted’ permanently here from this day forward. Find a new life…


        • Be informed

          @ JustOneGuy. First of all I hope you are doing better after catching the flu. Next, the Joker in NC has contributed nothing to the site, and is only interested in internet trolling and deserves what Norse Prepper said to collapse the comments and let it go to the much more interesting comments by most everyone else. Like Walt says often, don’t feed the troll and hopefully Joker will just go somewhere else and hit the road like you say. There are just too many people here with very important information, ideas, and good comments to get stressed out by these smelly vermin that try to take down the site. Just red thumbs and be done.

          • JustOneGuy

            Howdy BI,

            Too right you are Friend, the foregoing serves as an explicit statement of the current state of affairs and the finality associated therewith. Hereafter it’s just ‘insta-blot’…forever.


            • Piper Michael

              John has a long mustache… 😉

    70. pale rider

      The Battling Boys of Benghazi

      We’re the Battling Boys of Benghazi.
      No fame, no glory, no paparazzi.
      Just a fiery death in a blazing HELL, defending the country we loved so well.

      It wasn’t our job, but we answered the call,
      Fought to the consulate and scaled the wall.
      We pulled twenty count men from the jaws of fate,
      Led them to safety, and stood at the gate.

      Just the two of us, and foes by the score, but we stood fast to bar the door.
      Three calls for reinforcement, but all were denied,
      So we fought and we fought, and we fought till we died.

      We gave our all for our Uncle Sam,
      But Barack Obama didn’t give a damn.

      Just two dead SEALs, who carried the load, no thanks to us—WE were just “BUMPS IN THE ROAD”.
      Author is an unknown Marine Corps Officer.

      (Just recall that President Barack Obama referred to The Benghazi incident as “a bump in the road.”)

      Absolutely NOMI!

    71. VRF

      put this in your browser

      waronguns dot blogspot dot com / 2013 / 02 / taken-offline dot html

      remove the spaces, put a dot where the word dot is, and at the begining use http : //

      • VRF

        that target Mfg, is back pedaling like a mad man..
        Having looked through their site before they pulled them, I couldn’t help but notice, if the excuse was to train based on likely scenarios, how come there are so few who aren’t white, and how come so many of the “offensive” targets look for all the world like stereotypical Tea Partiers? Is it because if they made their targets reflect encounter percentages, particularly the ones in the “Urban Street Violence” category, the Jackson/Sharpton machine would shut them or extort them dry.

        So I don’t buy it’s for realistic training. Sorry, just based on likely encounters one needs to train for, I see an agenda here. The only deviation from a theme is they do have some wearing PLA head scarfs –I’m not aware of any shootouts on domestic soil where that has been the case.

        Two other things about this excuse, and they come from Bear emailing the LET spokesflack:

        You do not say that you have suspended sales of the targets. Does this mean you still stock and sell the psychopathically offensive targets _offline_? If so, to whom?

        I’ve have read your apology for the full-blown insane decision to market a product line specifically designed to desensitize officers to shooting children, pregnant women, and the elderly. You stated, “This product line was originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community”. Not by me. Nor would I _ever_ have countenanced such stupidity. So please tell me: SPECIFICALLY WHO IN “THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY” requested and designed that product line?
        I would really like to know that last part. I wonder how we could find out…

        • Burrow Owl

          Sadly, I think they may be telling the truth here.

          Those targets depict an increasingly common scenario, ie, what a Jackboot would see when conducting a violent home invasion (aka, ‘dynamic entry’).

          • VRF

            Yep, I hear what your saying..

            any door breeches at my home would be a big mistake too

    72. buttcrackofdoom

      i was just at the doctor on wednesday. on the check-in form was the question “are there any guns in your home?”

    73. VRF

      According to coloradopeakpolitics.com, the governor of Colorado, John Hickenlooper is wavering on a proposed magazine capacity limit that is making its way through the Colorado state legislature.

      Since magazine giant Magpul, which is currently operating in CO, has announced they will pack up their operations, move across state lines and take hundreds (possibly thousands) of jobs with them and since there has been a huge national fallout over comments made by Democratic lawmaker Joe Salazar regarding women with guns and rape, the governor is apparently considering not supporting new gun control bills.

      • RickInOregon

        He’s a politician and democrat. Two good reasons to question his integrity. If he had any integrity he would come out and say that the 2nd is in our constitution and he swore an oath to protect and obey the constitution, he will not sign into law anything that comes to his desk that violates the spirit of the constitution.

      • Bob

        They expected what, when they outlawed a company’s product?

    74. VRF

      Illinois House Democrats have a come to Jesus moment on guns yesterday

      Gun control supporters in the Illinois Democratic party talked a pretty good game for the most part at the Illinois House Judiciary hearing earlier this week on guns, but in a closed door meeting yesterday, they were set straight as to the reality of things.

      Here’s what was said publicly Tuesday, as reported by Rich Miller’s Capitol Fax:

      Prosecutors in Chicago are telling state lawmakers they can essentially ignore a federal court ruling and not legalize concealed carry in Illinois.

      The Illinois House on Tuesday held the first of two statewide hearings on how to legally allow people to carry a gun in the state. Illinois is the only state in the nation that bars anyone from carrying a pistol outside their home. In December, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said Illinois must change that.

      But Paul Castiglione, policy director for the Cook County State’s Attorney’s office, told lawmakers there is no need for a new law.

      “Only the Illinois Supreme Court can declare a statue from (the legislature) unconstitutional,” Castiglione told lawmakers Tuesday. “I heard (someone) say that after 180 days our UUW (unlawful use of weapon) statute is unconstitutional. Not so.”

      Illinois Issues Blog went on to report Alvarez’s office vowing to ignore the Federal Appellate Court order:

      “After 180 days, anyone who decided, for example, to walk down Michigan Avenue in Chicago carrying an AK-15 would be subject to arrest and prosecution for violating the [Unlawful Use of Weapons Act,]” said Cook County Assistant State’s Attorney Paul Castiglione. He said the Cook County state’s attorney’s office intends to enforce the Illinois Unlawful Use of Weapons statute, which outlaws carrying guns in public, after the deadline, unless lawmakers change it or the Illinois Supreme Court finds it unconstitutional. “The lower federal courts, either the district courts or the courts of appeal, cannot tell the Illinois Supreme court how to rule or whether or not that law is constitutional. The only court that can resolve that split is the U.S. Supreme Court.”

      Of course, Chicago is a place for unicorns, mermaids and make-believe.

      House Democrats were given a lesson in the real-world consequences of ignoring the Seventh Circuit ruling when the 180-day stay expires on June 8th.

      The technical review staff (legal beagles) told the Democrats that Alvarez was all wet in her office’s pronouncement and that inaction on passing a carry bill would have dire consequences for gun control in Illinois.

      Specifically, House Democrats were told that Illinois would effectively have “Constitutional Carry” where anyone who was eligible to own guns could carry them freely in public without training, licensing, qualification and precious little in the way of restriction.

      After a lot of back and forth, one Chicago Representative asked if someone could carry a loaded rifle into the Statehouse. He was told “Yes”.

      It was reported that you could hear a pin drop for an uncomfortably long time after that as a stunned silence came over the room.

      The bottom line is that non-ideologues on the gun issue have seen the wisdom of voting for a carry bill that affords the state at least some control in the time, place and manner in which Illinois residents, and indeed non-residents, can carry firearms in Illinois.

      Of course, there are a handful of die-hards who will never vote for a bill that would allow Illinoisans any firearm rights. But then again, there were no shortage of politicians who opposed Civil Rights legislation of fifty years ago to their dying day. And there were no shortage of politicians who opposed women’s suffrage, either.

      Today, we recognize how foolish and bigoted those politicians were in opposing these basic civil rights.

    75. Walt Kowalski

      Got this in an email yesterday……

      Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan , grew up in the Indiana , Illinois , and Texas , and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan . Garrison is Crime Scene Technician in Wes Michigan . His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name “D.H. Garrison, Jr.”

      Subject: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

      Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean Garrison

      I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all smal independent bloggers to tell the truth So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.
      About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.

      If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way… Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.

      Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. W have forgotten in this country that we ar ultimately ruled by a constitution.

      Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin

      Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.

      I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.

      Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?

      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
      This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.
      For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:

      The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson

      Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington

      The Constitution shall never b construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams

      I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.
      We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.

      A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.

      Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.

      It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.

      If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking abou self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution Re-read Jefferson ’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority can not take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.

      Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.

      I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.

      Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.

      I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.

      If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.

      This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.

      I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.

      I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I can not tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a lif of freedom or slavery.

      You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.

      I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.

      For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.

      Are you willing to die to take my guns?

      • VRF

        thanks for this Walt

        I have been on my soap box about the wrong use of that “D” word since i was old enough to learn the difference..

        sad part is our schools teachers dont even know the difference, my (than) 13 year old got a mark down on a paper in school because she didnt answer with “Democratic” on a paper that asked what form of government do we have..she fought it with the prodding of her father..the teacher under a lot of pressure from my child finally said ( an im sure it was just to shut her up) that we have both republic and democratic government in the USA..to that my child again told her no you are wrong!..the teacher in an effort to shut her up again said fine we will give you credit for your answer..to that my child said , yes you will, but you still are wrong because you do not have the knowledge to be teaching this class those wrong answers..( in so many words)

        needless to say they swept it under the rug and continued on teaching these students this wrong info…

        my child asked me about it, I followed up with the proper schooling..even went as far as to copy it down and send it in with her..

        as my child said to the teacher..our pledge of allegence doesnt say “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the democracy for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”..it says and to the REPUBLIC…

        she also included the speach from Benjamin Franklin

        “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

        “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
        ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

        so I guess that teacher got a history lesson that day, but yet they are still stuck on stupid, because they still to this day have not changed thier mindset

        oh the folly of a public education where the history teacher doesnt even know her own material, and this is in a Blue Ribbon School system!

        sick and sad

        • Bob

          The arrogant bitch told herself to let the dumb hillbilly think he had corrected her.

          • VRF

            yep, your probably right

      • SmokinOkie

        Walt- Thank you for posting that. It’s appreciated more than I can say. And thanks to Dean Garrison for writing it. Maybe Mac would consider running it as a seperate article.
        I know we’ve had an overload of 2nd Amendment articles lately, but there’s an obvious reason for that.
        We are under assault! The Constitution has long been under attack. That’s nothing new. But today, we are facing the greatest threat to liberty in our nations history. The very means of defending ANY of our freedoms is under seige!
        Media, government at all levels, education, and many, many other sources of propaganda are waging a full-scale, multi-front war on the one and only means of retaining our freedom. If the guns are taken, then it’s game over. Mr Garrison said it better than I could, but it’s true. If we relinquish our 2nd Amendment, then nothing else matters! We MUST retain our arms, for they are the only means of securing any other freedoms.
        And, God bless Dean Garrison for saying it plainly. The time for speaking in code is past. We can all say it just as simply as he did. And we can say it respectfully, with no intention of initiating hostilities, for we will not give up our moral authority any more than we’d give up our rights. Unfortunately, hostilities are already under way, and WE did not start them!
        This simple message must go out to everyone. From the crying, liberal, celebrity nitwits, to low level bureaucratic lackeys, to the state houses and all the way to Washington. Even to the bowels of the dark underground bunkers of the global elite, to the very heart of the serpents den.

        “To the people who would disarm us,
        You must understand: The God-given, Constitutionally enumerated rights we possess are not negotiable. They are not debatable. There can be NO compromise, and there’s no need of future discussion. To the gun grabbers, we all say, firmly and without equivication:”

        ” NOT ONE MORE INCH! “

      • JayJay

        I emailed this writing; it has many links when searching and here is the man’s blog.


      • JustOneGuy

        @ Walt,

        BRILLIANT, EXCELLENT POST Brother, many thanks!


      • Piper Michael

        Thanks Walt,
        Can’t say it enough. NOT A DEMOCRACY, A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. Damn I get tired of this argument. Its only been going on as long as dirt. It is our HNIC that has elevated this to a new level of stupid.
        Are we beginning to feel the oppression of the majority?
        Do we see a president flaunting illegal and unconstitutional acts? Even defying the courts? (And I think, blackmailing or threatening Roberts.)
        Do we see a president stirring up class and race war?
        Do we see a president about to shut down parts of the government on his own nickle, and blame it on The Enemy?

        This is politics as usual thrown in the trash. This leads directly to politics by other means.
        God help us all.

        • Angelo Mysteriouso

          Welcome to…BRA aka Black Run America. Every place they run turns to crap. 60 yrs of black Mayors of major citys attest to this is Fact. Not racist, just Reality is all.

        • Eisenkreuz

          Thats right. Creeping democracy is whats killing us.

      • REB

        Good item Walt! This has been a pet peeve of mine since I cant remember(over 40 years)my/our rights are NOT subject to the opinions of others…especially marxist bassturds around the globe…no negotiation is possible!

    76. Henry Hall

      What is needed is a carefully crafted petition to President Obama to take executive action to prohibit the VA from spending Federal dollars on DSM-5 and related publications.
      In order to succeed the petition needs to cite the best of the many medical authorities than have severely criticized the DSM-5 (a quick google will find many) BUT NOT mention gun control so as to avoid a knee-jerk reaction from Obama.
      That would be a hard pill to swallow (avoiding the gun issues in order to overcome this VA psychiatry atrocity) but it is what would actually work. If carefully written with good citations.

      There is little time, DSM-5 is only two months away.

    77. Walt Kowalski


      When you confront the opposition with facts, and they refuse to acknowledge them, you can be sure that the reason they do so is because they have an AGENDA.

      This is one of the reasons I no longer spend a lot of time trying to convince people of the apparent wisdom of being pro-gun, and not trying to pass legislation that will attempt to take our rights away.

      I no longer attempt to convince them. I simply let it be known that any attempt to deprive me of my rights will be met with resistance….and that resistance will be as violent as necessary to preserve my rights.

      Like the author above, I have no desire to do harm to anyone. But I WILL defend my rights, and the rights of all Americans as given by God and recognized in our Constitution.

      It is my opinion, that this is the attitude that should be increasingly employed against the gun-grabbers. “Won’t listen to reason? Then listen to this…..My rights are not up for vote or discussion.”

      • VRF

        Right on.

      • Bob

        Over two decades ago, a man told me, “This will be settled with rifles in the street”. Really sucks to see him proven right.

      • Piper Michael

        Just say NO.

        Stupid SHOULD be painful.

    78. revelationspain

      I have some first hand experience with this mental stability gun control BS. In 2007 I decided to go to rehab for my alcoholism,this was on my own accord I wasn’t forced by the courts or by family intervention. I was just tired of being a drunk at only 29. So fast forward 4 years I started waking up to what was really going on in the world and started prepping. I finally saved enough money to get my first shotgun,put the money down filled out the paperwork only to get a call a few days later that I was unable to own a gun because I went to rehab. In NY going to rehab is like going to a mental institution. So now I am forced down other avenues to procure protection for my family. I hate this shit all i ever really wanted was to be left alone.
      No white flags just empty shells. RP

      • BigB

        That’s bullsh*t man. Look for a gun on the down side of the law. Keep it close at hand and keep your mouth shut about doing it. They don’t have the resources to search every where. Kinda of your own “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” 🙂

    79. BigB

      Here in the California VA system this State Assemblyman can’t understand why more Vets are not taking advantage of the benefits offered.


      Being very involved in veterans affairs I received a memo that even though it is for personal viewing only it would appear that it has slipped out that it shows that the VA here in Oakland California takes an average of 457.5 days to process a claim. The national average is only 285 days to process a claim. I cannot find any reason for this disparity.

      • JayJay

        Well, like the last questionnaire that came here??
        Those obtrusive questions were on there–I did not answer truthfully about a few.(wink-wink)
        And then, on a sheet accompanying the questionnaire, it stated that on the appt. arranged with receipt of the quest., it would take only 20 minutes because a blood test was all they wanted??
        I ripped it and destroyed it.
        Veterans, be warned.

        Why a blood test with that line of questions??

      • JayJay

        BigB…I learned of a vet that was working on his 4th year of disability claim and he was in ICU with my husband–he was a kidney transplant patient!!!
        They had sent him from Kansas to Nashville for surgery; his wife got word while there, he was approved after 4 years!!
        I kid you not!!

        • BigB

          JayJay, the blood test are there to test for drugs and I am sure for other medical reasons as well. But primarily for drugs. And there in is another “valid” reason to ban you from owning weapons. One positive piss test and you are now a drug user.

          4 Years, I am not suprised in the least. I have a vet who went in a month ago for a check up and they found the shunts in his legs had collapsed. 48 hours later they removed his legs just above the knees. I have to be careful here as to not ID myself. Because he has never filed for a disability percentage at VA they would not give him a wheel chair. Nor would California State Medical. He is 70 years old and they all figured that he would not recover enough to work a wheel chair. Turns out that through an out reach program I was able to get him an electric wheel chair and all is well.

          • Angelo Mysteriouso

            Fed ATF 1968 laws say Only if an Illeagle user of OR Addicted to narcotics etc drugs. If you look at the Exceptions parts for the Entire atf fed gun control act of 1968 it specifies Dr. Prescribed drugs do NOT count as a Prohibition to own a gun.

            And if any of them try to claim a person is addicted to any drugs even if dr prescribed?…Thats not so easy for Them to Prove. There are specific things listed to leagally describe addicted to a drug. For example if user keeps increasings doseage or does so withOUT dr aproval, or user seeks street drugs to suplement prescription etc.

            Just because someone takes for example pain meds by Dr prescribed does NOT necessarily make that person addicted.

            Nor under the Influence. If taken only under dr’s care and prescribed properly. These issues must be proven in a court of law to stick and render a person prohibited to own guns.

            The actual Laws is what it goes by not simply hearsay or whatever talking heads on MSM tv state, Look up atf fed gun act laws seek out Exceptions to. I think it may be at Very bottom of page of entire law act(?).

            • BigB

              AM, that may be what the law states and is supposed to be the law of the land but that does not mean it works that way. The words on the side of the barn change almost everyday.

    80. Grasshopper



      • Piper Michael

        None of them have ‘crashed’ yet…
        They are being propped up by funny money and loans…
        The austerity is imposed from above. By the bankers.
        They will crash, give it time, and calm yourself.

        Everything will crash within weeks of the first domino, at least, to all the nations tied together through the Euro/Pound/Franc/Dollar/Yen system. Inflation is already cocked and locked, you should be prepped. If not, why not? But, inflation is not a crash… it is a precursor. Haven’t you heard? The stock market is doing fine…
        😉 (sarc)

        We here in the US, are about to get a dose of ‘austerity’ ourselves, starting about Mar 1.

    81. Grasshopper

      Mac, can you please post this comment sometime soon? Usually, my comments aren’t posted until the following day!

      • Live free or die


        When you post do you show an email address? Even if you use a phony one, it should get you on the board instantly after a couple of posts.

    82. VRF

      this just poped up a few hours ago..still reading it

      NRA Uses Justice Memo to Accuse Obama on Guns
      ABC OTUS News – 2 hrs 27 mins ago.

      • VRF

        for what its worth anymore, sad to say but we really cant trust any MSM..thats for sure.

    83. The Last American

      Although we are out on a farm, the township our home is in has very strict guns laws. Example, if a black bear or wolf tried to attack one of us, our dogs, or enter our home, and we used a firearm to stop them, we would be charged with a felony.

      This law was sold to the “town folks” as a way to prevent people from hunting on their farms, so stray bullets won’t whizz into town and kill all of the childern at play, (sarcasm), but it is complete gun control.

      Most of us either hunt with bows, which is also a felony, or are hard of hearing and don’t report any shots being fired off. Thank God the Deputies are also hard of hearing too.

      I knew a Pastor who’s mission flied was the Soviet Union back in the 1980’s. He had pictures of fellow Christians chained up like dogs in the yards of Soviet mental Hospitals just for believing back then.

      God help us.


      • clint hospo

        what state is this in?

        • The Last American

          Harlin KY, I work in Lexington, but my Daddy and late step Mom have a farm there next to Boyde and Ava Crowder’s place. Both the Crowders and my famliy have roots going all the back to the 1860’s in KY.

          My Daddy (Arlo) used to work in the deep coal mines until he became….sort of a businessman. I’m divorced and work in Law Enforcment which makes my me feel that my life is justified….hay ya’ll asked.

    84. AmeriKan Nightmare

      Al-C.I.A.-Duh’s a.k.a. Al-Qaeda’s 22 Tips For Evading AmeriKan Predator Death Drones

      This document is one of several found by The Associated Press in buildings recently occupied by Al-Qaeda fighters in Timbuktu, Mali. Written by Abdullah bin Mohammed, apparently with God’s help, with the goal “of disabling the new strategy of the American army at the medium or long-range levels,” through three methods: the formation of a public opinion to stand against the attacks, deterring of spies, and tactics of deception and blurring. These 22 tactics are as follows…


    85. AmeriKan Nightmare


      World’s Biggest Gold Storage Company Dumps US Citizens

      ViaMat, a Swiss logistics company that has been safeguarding precious metals since 1945, is literally the gold standard in secure storage.

      They have vaults from Switzerland to Hong Kong to Dubai, and they count among their clients some of the largest mining companies in the world. They know what they’re doing.

      And now they’re dumping US citizens.


    86. pale rider

      The time is here. We need to quit talking and stand up and tell the WORLD ELITE, that, we common people of the UNITED STATES have had enough. If you don’t stop this BULL SH-T NOW,” WE’RE COMING FOR YOU AND HELL IS COMING WITH US!” (Tombstone the movie). Like it or not the time for talking has passed.

      Get the mind set and be ready to do battle. I’ll meet up with all of you other PATORIT’s at the old church in the black swamp. The Time is now to take it to them, and tell them where they got it.

    87. Theguy

      Think about what you are doing.

      In Iraq, many of them weren’t armed either. It didn’t stop them.

      • Bob

        Seems I have been hearing more and more about natural gas leaks these days, probably due to lack of money to repair systems properly. I fear that one of these no-knock raids will occur at a house where a gas leak has occured and the owner has fled. When .gov comes in with guns blazing, the whole place explodes. Another good reason to go green and get away from fossil fuels. They are hazardous.

    88. Ugly

      Where are the ‘fire-and-brimstone’ preachers these days? Been listening to Christian Radio on 3 separate channels and all I get is music. And only new music, non of the ‘Old Rugged Cross’ types.

      Times have changed.

      Wanting to hear some sermons. But not much to nothing. Has the NWO got to them too? I know my pastor at our Baptist Church is a liberal and feels the current admin is doing well….

      The Bible is excellent reading, but even Sunday Schools today are Milk-Toast. Kind of like, ‘Jesus Loves You’ and what to do about stress? Stress! Idiots, you will see stress pretty soon.

      I want to hear a good modern day sermon. A sermon that represents today, not some Milk-Toast theology.

      Sermons of the 1940s-1980s were the best. Today, just whiners. Can I pick a good station on short-wave?

      • Jenn

        @ Ugly: Amen, brother! We need to be called to repentance and soon.

      • Angelo Mysteriouso

        UGLY: Try Chuck Baldwin pastor. He is NOT a 501c non profit irs “slave” as are most pastors today! He was the Const Party candadit for PREZ that Ron Paul endorsed too! For 2008 elections.

        Go to his articles at newswithviews dot com or org. There you can read his articles and get the Link at article end where his Bio is at. His Own site has TV streemed sunday services you can view.

        One great sermon of his is all about ROMANS chapter 13 IE: What God says about Govt and christians etc!

        Chuck Baldwin teaches how we all been brainwashed by so many pastors who tell us christians Must Obey all govnt’s and laws etc because God ordained it(govnt!) that is Hogwash! and he explains it Superbly!

        Check him out Ugly You wont be disapointed.

      • AnitaSweater

        Try John Hagee. You can find great sermons 24/7 on GEtv.org.

      • JayJay

        I listen to Steve Quayle, Larry Hagmann when I get a chance; they are recorded and can be listened to at your leisure.

        • Ugly

          @Angelo, JayJay, Jenn….Thanks. We have 3 stations in the Pocatello area that are Christian Radio. They use to have segments of preaching and segments of music. Today, when traveling on road and dialing in all I get is hours of music.

          Kind of miss the Donald Grey Barnhouse, Walter Martin, Chuck Smith, Jack Hayford, and many others.

          Are the people you suggest on short wave? I have not bought a short wave radio yet, but will. I want to hear good preaching in evening and what others around are thinking. Too myopic here in Idaho?

          • SmokinOkie

            Hi Ugly! How ya been?
            Here’s a suggestion- try gty.org for Grace To You with John MacArthur. He’s about as fire and brimstone as it gets. You can listen to anything there with no sign-up or cost at all. Plus you can download anything on the site for free! You can even burn them to disc (long as you don’t try to sell them).
            Or go to youtube and check out a seven minute clip of him blasting today’s health&wealth preachers. There’s just something to be admired about a guy who will name names and tell it like it is!
            I kinda like R.C. Sproul too. And, the late J Vernon McGee is still on a few stations. Ravi Zacharias, Alistair Begg and a few more are still out there. Just gets hard to find them on a local station sometimes.

            side note* One of these days I’ll be running through your neck of the woods and I’ll take you up on that offer of a cup of coffee 🙂

            • Ugly

              @Smokin….been good. Thanks for info. Yeah, next time you heading on I15 thru Poky let me know. We will get a real cup of coffee. If you can see bottom of cup, its tea and not coffee.

              • Angelo Mysteriouso

                UGLY: If you aint as yet done so, I really believe you will like Chuck Baldwins article on Romans ch 13 on how we been lied to about christians Must obey all forms govnt because God ordained it.

                Chuck don’t say God did not ordain govnt of mankind. Of course that is whats stated in romans 13…But he speaks of how wrong it is fr many of todays pastors to promote we must obey govnt regardless how bad or evil it is.

                Chuck goes into good detail verse by verse the entire romans ch 13(I think it is maybe 21-verses total?).

                I Promice you Ugly after reading that you Will be very Glad you did and happy to now know the True meaning etc!

                Go to newswithviews dot com Then scroll down main page to find chuck baldwin article. Then after you click on an article of his, LOOK at very Top of That page(his picture and name is there) there is Another link that says “All Articles” which are All articles he ever wrote there(hes wrote quite alot too! Like aprox 75-100 if not more!).

                FIND His article that says What does Romans chapter 13 Really mean for christians, or similar to that.

                If you read that let me know what you think of it ok.

                ps at bottom of every article of his is a Link to his own website where you can watch a video of all his sermons including romans 13 video…He is NOT a IRS-Tax free 501 either so hes 100% Free to do Gods work and preach Truth and Politics etc!!!…Not many pastors today are that way as Most are 501 c irs non profits who must answer to irs/govnt….Pastor Butch Paugh(?sp) is Also like chuck and he too rejected the 501 c status. Butch speaks truth also and has a website too.

              • SmokinOkie

                Oh, and speaking of religious faith and such, Piper Michael has a site. You can get the link by clicking his name on any of the comments. He’s done tons of research into the distortions of modern false religions. You may like it, maybe not. It is, however, something that will challenge your thinking. And it’s always good for us to re-examine our beliefs. If they’re solid, they’ll stand up to scrutiny and if not, we can fix them.
                Plus, Piper is passionate about his faith, but doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy to hold a grudge if you reject it. He just puts it out there because he’s convinced it’s true. I can respect that. (and, no, I’m not in agreement with all of it. lots of it i still don’t understand. but i’m still learning…)

    89. Grasshopper

      Last Amreican, I had this Chinese friend and she said that in China, they forbid you to practice religion, she thinks, because the Leader wants everyone’s devotion directed at him. If the leader says black is white you have to agree. Truth (God) is not honored…so sad. And China has said (when asked what they will do when no more room)… they will simply come to the U.S. China wants our country bad! Our national parks are put up as collateral for all the money China’s loaned us…Great video about this–pinkpagodagirls.com

      • Ugly

        @Walt….just saw the link. Thanks. And yes, I believe we have left God, therefore here comes our Brave New World, the NWO !!!!

        Repentance by all Americans–black, spanish, white, chinese, etc.

        Good luck everyone, and keep prepping and helping others thru communications such as this website.

    90. Be informed

      Okay everybody, I looked into the precursor earthquakes that happen 0-15 days before ALL big southern california earthquakes. When the following areas have 5+ earthquakes, the energy is aimed right from southern California. Doesn’t mean that most of the time a big earthquake is going to hit the region, it simply means the energy signatures are there. Like the conditions that are ripe for a superthunderstorm outbreak. These are the areas to watch for in the future that are interested in southern California large earthquakes having a much higher probablity of happening, all at least 5.0 in magnitude:

      South of the South Sandwich Islands, 58-65 degrees south.

      Around the South Orkney Islands to just east of the South Shetland Islands.

      Macquarie Island to Auckland Island south of Tasmania

      ANY earthquake close and around the Antarctica Circle.

      Earthquake on the boundary between the Asian and North American plate, but in the Arctic Sea. (The Siberian quake last week was probably too far south, it will affect other areas, especially near the internation dateline).

      Increased action on the Kamchatka Peninsula.

      One of more of these events occurred before ALL southern California big earthquakes. If you live there, watch for these, or know someone there. When you see one, or especially more than one area having earthquakes of the above listed areas, southern California’s earthquake storm clouds are darkening and becoming ominous. The chances when these precursors begin go up a lot for southern California to get a large earthquake as this has happened before and will happen again.

    91. Be informed

      Had a 3.6 on the very southern tip of the New Madrid in Arkansas a couple of hours ago. Right after the Mid Atlantic Ridge was hit with a 5.0 three days ago, just as said about that at 10-11 degrees being the very southern most point of the Mid Atlantic Ridge affecting the New Madrid. It took only 3 days to show this. Coincidence between the Mid Atlantic Ridge and the New Madrid, I don’t think so.

      • Todd

        I saw there was a smaller one in Arkansas earlier and another small one in Tennessee too. Is that area waking up? I’m getting nervous now… supposed to be in Indy next weekend 🙁

    92. Lowtolerance

      “Imagine visiting your doctor and being asked if you’re experiencing stress because of your busy lifestyle or anxiety from a heavy work load. Answering “yes,” or “sometimes” to such questioning could soon be grounds for deeming you mentally incompetent. ”

      Wow. Perhaps I am paranoid, because I never answer questions like this anyway.

      • JayJay

        Yes, my husband was in for a seizure last Tuesday that turned out to be a stroke.
        When the attending nurse asked those questions the day of the seizure-turned-stroke, I reemed him because we had talked about that so often.
        Later he said the answers were from his state of confusion and he didn’t mean what he said.
        Those went into the computer, will be there forever; I will accompany him to the VA checkup Wednesday.
        Sometimes, you can do only what you can.
        Darling..are you depressed?? No.
        Are you experiencing any feelings of suicide? No.
        Do you own any guns?? No.
        Are you experiencing any stress due to work load? No.
        Are you experiencing any stress due to financial matters? No.

    93. Ugly

      History has distortions. Much like Custars Battlefield. Like what really happened and why.

      Since I live in Idaho, I was always wondering about Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce. I have been to Joseph Oregon and it is beautiful. Just curious as to why the Calvary wanted Joseph and why were they [Nez Perce] trying to get to Canada?

      Been to White Bird many times enroute to Moscow.

      Does anyone know the ‘real’ history?

      • Merree

        I don’t know much more than the usual white settlers wanting land and removing the Natives. Chief Joseph and his people were to be moved to a reservation but he didn’t want to leave his homeland and father’s grave.

        The tribe finally realized they would be forcibly relocated. They wanted to escape to Canada where Sitting Bull was living. It resulted in the cavalry chasing a band of warriors, women, children and old people over Idaho and Montana- about 1100 miles during the winter.
        They surrendered after a particularly devastating battle.

        Most of the tribe was sent to Fort Leavenworth Kansas or Oklahoma where they died of starvation or disease. A few eventually made it back to Idaho. Chief Joseph spent his entire life after surrender trying to return his people to their homeland but he died still in exile. Now there are all kinds of monuments that bear his name. A very sad tale.