Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”
Matthew 26:27-29
(Pictured: The Infanta Dona Urraca identified as the legendary Holy Grail of scripture)
It was shared with his disciples at the last supper and just days later St. Joseph of Arimathea used it to collect the blood and sweat of Jesus Christ as his grand-uncle tended to him on he cross. When he was subsequently imprisoned in a tomb for several years Joseph reportedly sustained his life with its power by consuming fresh water and food from it until his release. At that point it was reportedly transferred to a spectacular castle in a region called Corbenic somewhere in modern day England. The location of the castle itself has been veiled in secrecy and purportedly lost to history.
But the legendary story didn’t end there.
The Knights Templar searched Europe and Arabia for it, as did the Nazi’s during the middle of the 20th century. Historians and treasure hunters the world over have spent centuries looking for the Cup of Life and today some 200 chalices lay claim to the title of “The Holy Grail.”
But according to a new book titled Kings of the Grail, two researchers claim they have conclusive evidence that they have found the one and only, true Holy Grail of scripture. After a three year quest involving analysis from ancient documents, starting with an Egyptian parchment that describes the grail in detail, authors Margarita Torres and Jose Manuel Ortega del Rio say there is absolutely “no doubt” that the cup which touched the lips of Jesus Christ has been identified.
Their research led them to a a museum in San Isidro Basilica in the northwestern Spanish city of Leon, where the cup has been on display in a small viewing room for years.
The supposed Holy Grail was offered to King Fernando I, who ruled between 1037 and 1065, as a peace offering by the head of a Muslim kingdom within Spain, the historians said.
The cup, made of agate, gold and onyx, is actually two goblets formed together, the authors claim.
The artifact had been known until last week as the goblet of the Infanta Dona Urraca, King Fernando I’s daughter.
With so many other historical investigations making similar claims the evidence for the Infanta Dona Urraca being the Grail has yet to be scrutinized by scholars, but Torres and Ortega del Rio are certain they have found the treasure of the ages.
At first glance, the jewel encrusted Grail is the opposite of what one might expect a carpenter’s cup would look like. But according to the researchers the jewels and other accouterments were added much later.
There is ‘no doubt’ it contains the cup which touched the lips of Jesus Christ, two historians claim.
In an explosive book charting three years of ‘scientific research’, Margarita Torres and Jose Ortiza del Rio reveal there is conclusive evidence from scrolls in Egypt that confirm their theory.
The onyx vessel made between 200 BC and 100 AD, they claim, is trapped inside a bejewelled medieval chalice.
According to two medieval documents written in Arabic, it was stolen from Jerusalem by Muslims, who gave it to the Christian community in Egypt.
Centuries later, in around 1050 AD, it was sent as a gift to King Fernando I of Castile to thank him for sending aid during a famine, they say.
By that point, it had been concealed with opulent decorations.
Gold inside, with patterns etched around the edges, the revered ornament is covered with pearls, emeralds, amethysts and sapphires, which the Egyptian kings will have designed to honour the well-liked Fernando.
It is said that those who drink from the Grail can attain eternal life, a legend depicted in various stories and perhaps most popularly by Indiana Jones. But many believe these to be fables created over the years to advance Christianity, namely during the Christian crusades.
Whether the mythical vessel for Christ’s blood has actually been found, or that it holds special powers such as those used to sustain Joseph’s life during his imprisonment, is left to one’s imagination.
But that a hunt for the treasure is still being actively pursued after twenty centuries is, at the very least, intriguing.
They should have watched Indiana Jones first.
Yes, are they willing to take a sip to prove it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtcZv89Hspk
I doubt it. And the odds are against them since I’m sure Jesus’ grail was a little less ornate.
Whether that is the cup that touched Jesus’s lips or not doesn’t really matter to me, Jesus touches my heart every day, for me that is real and indisputable.
There are objects all over the planet that Christ touched and are still laying around that people could be using as everyday items and don’t realize. The Indiana Jones films always bothered me about all the traps that were mostly science fiction. The Holy Grail could be a simple clay cup like the movie or some elegant piece like this above. It doesn’t matter. There are no mystical powers to it unless someone wanted it to be. Even these huge crystals emit certain frequencies and can cause dizziness in their presence. Magical powers are usually ONLY illusion, like a magician’s tricks are. Like the governments of the world with their deception, illusions only fool those that let them.
These are subjects that I refuse
to touch with a ten foot pole.
I was a carpenter once myself though,
but my cup said Stanley on the bottom.
Thats not a true story.
I found the Holy Grail. I know it is because it had Obamas birth certificate in it.
April Fools!! Right??
That was 1st April joke from illuminati.
Really bad idea to publish jokes about God.
Think what you will deserve in case if it would be joke about one of muslim’s sacred objects?
The traps are not just a figment of the imagination. Read Josephus’ account of when King Herod tried to rob King David’s Tomb. Two of his men were killed by burning oil in a trap apparently constructed by Solomon. Herod then sealed the Tomb.
There’s no way to set a trap with burning oil that would last for 900 years with the technology of the time.
Everybody knows it’s down in the money pit, sitting there with the Ark of the Covenant…no one is worthy of the power of the grail or ark,so put it where no one can get to it!
Amen!
Jesus died ~2000 years ago. So a dead man touches your heart every day? Something’s wrong with your mentality.
(1 Cor 15:3-8 NIV) For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, {4} that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, {5} and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. {6} After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. {7} Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, {8} and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
Correction. Jesus isn’t dead. He rose on the third day.
People will always believe in Fairy Tales!
Or they should have watched Monty Python….. and watch out for that killer rabitt…….
He chose… poorly.
Best line…EVER!
Oh yeah, I’m skeptical. This reminds me of the story of Piltdown man. Thought to factual but eventually found to be a hoax… http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/science-of-natural-history/the-scientific-process/piltdown-man-hoax/
jesus never existed,neither does the grail.
knowitall,
You do not know it all, no one does, but we can all learn.
John 3:16 ESV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”
Knowing God and welcoming him into your life could be just the change that you need.
Swinging, AMEN. Knowitall doesn’t know squat.
that aint proof of anything.
buybull.exactly.
knowitall, say what you want, you will find out in the end when your standing in the presence of God and you will be judged accordingly.
However, I believe to choose that Jesus was born of a Virgin, lived on this earth for 33 years, died on a cross for my sins, yours and anyone else’s sin and for those who will call upon the name of Jesus and ask for forgiveness of their sins shall be saved. He was buried in a tomb (where they did find the shroud that he was wrapped in when placed in the tomb, but no body was there). He went down into the pit of hell for 3 days and was raised from the dead and now sits on the right hand of God our Father just waiting to be told to come get his children.
For we know not when the second coming of our Lord Jesus will be so you better get your house in order and get ready to meet your maker.
Choose whom you will serve Jesus or Satan? Where will you spend eternity? Heaven or Hell? As for me I choose Jesus and I will live in Heaven. It is your choice.
May God’s spirit chase you down and reveal himself to you.
got proof?
nope.
knowitall: good one; folks making positive claims (that something is/exists) have the burden of proof. Just because someone believes something, no matter how sincerely, doesn’t make it true. The Old Testament makes many claims about the Earth that science has proven false. If the Bible is suppose to be the word of God, then God needs some basic instruction in geology and astronomy. Psalms 104:5 “you fixed the Earth on its foundation”. The Earth is not on any foundation like some flat object and it certainly isn’t fixed; it moves on its axis and revolves around the sun. But my favorite claim is that “Joshua prayed…and the sun stood still… Joshua 10:12-13. That was a geocentric view of Earth because they falsely believed that the Earth was the center of the universe. We now know, for the last 500 years, that it is the Earth that moves around the Sun. So the Sun could not possibly have stopped in the sky. And it should go without saying that the Earth didn’t just stop rotating so that Joshua could have enough daylight so that “Israel could take vengeance on its foes”. These gross inaccuracies are just some of the many errors found in the Old Testament. But the diehard apologists will come crawling out of the woodwork trying to explain away these errors as just “misinterpretations”. I can hardly wait. The less educated (inarticulate) will just curse me and/or give me the ‘thumbs-down’ because they can’t form any cogent arguments.
And if he did exist he was most likely a left leaning politician. Rome would have no reason to execute him unless he was a threat to Roman rule. They didn’t give a rat’s ass about Jewish rabbis or what they thought. Jesus had a few too many political followers who liked the idea of the poor getting a little more bread on the table… blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. Inherit, huh? Execution was a lesson to the peasants: don’t rock the status quo.
Less likely a left-leaning politician, and more likely a liberator or insurrectionist. Nazareth was essentially a penal colony or an outcast community. The man’s name was actually along the order of Yeshua and he caused huge problems by telling the sheeple the truth about their captivity (not much has changed today). The priest class highjacked his story after publicly executing him and made him into a deity even though he never claimed it. His “good news” was actually far more compelling than the modern gospel.
This may help: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SypRzmqgS5s
@USCORP, I watched the video and found it to be somewhat truthful and then at times twisting the truth.
I am not able to give a thumbs up or down, because as I stated I found truth within the video and then I saw his twisting of the truth around in order to try and explain our Creator – God and our Savior Jesus (who will return one day.)
I did like the way he explained the Roman Catholic Church and how it all began.
That’s the part that gets most people freespeach. They don’t want the responsibility.
The only thing that is Holy, is God the Father and His son Jesus Christ. This is a cup.
Well, actually… you are made holy in the presence of G-d by your acceptance of the blood of Christ.
“There is ‘no doubt’ it contains the cup which touched the lips of Jesus Christ, two historians claim.”
No doubt, huh?
What… they ran DNA tests on it?
Suppose these guys are any relation to P.T. Barnum?
geez….
No doubt? Yeah, right, and I’m going to bring Andrew Breitbart back from the dead. [sarcasm in overdrive today]
I have a cup that looks remarkably like that one sitting in my bookcase right now. I always thought it might be the grail, but I bought it in Japan in the eighties.
John Ripley’s heir’s
Maybe it’s autographed.
The oldest trick in the book….
Trick #1…..
If you look at the base on the lower left side….Doesn’t it say “Made In China”?
Ha….Made you look.
No, it’s on the bottom
Collect the whole set!
They chose….. poorly.
April 1st.
I would bet all that I have and a bunch of what I don’t have, that, is not the cup that touched the lips of Christ.
You sound like a banker betting things you don’t actually have. LOL I’m right there with you though.
I guess what matters is what people BELIEVE. Pretty much the same as with our current issues, if you truly BELIEVE it is real, then it IS real (to you).
…but then, why isn’t the economy ‘recovering’, when so many reportedly BELIEVE the recovery is real?
Didn’t they find the Noah’s Ark as well…
They did. I saw the movie they made about it this past weekend.
You’re joking right?
If they didn’t, I think I found the animals!
Iowa: Yes, nearly a dozen times, but each expedition has ended without any physical proof. Sort of like bigfoot, UFO’s, and unicorns. The Kurdish tribesmen in the area have made it a cottage industry by taking these seekers (true believers) to the cleaners rather than to some fictional Ark. P.T. was right, there is a sucker born every minute.
i’ll take that bet, and RAISE you a functioning appendix(for NOW), a rubber check for two thousand dollars, and my ex-wifes 3 kids, that it IS real.
I wouldn’t want to win with those wagers. Too funny.
Sad more like it. Good blessings sir.
I thought Jesus was a poor, barely employed carpenter. Even in those days a cup like that would be unobtainable to all except royalty or the richest merchants.
The jewels and other decorations were reportedly added after the fact before it was given to the King of Spain —
I thought the same thing when i first saw the picture, but they’ve got an explanation for it, apparently.
Just the fact that the cup itself was made of Onyx should disqualify it. Again another very expensive artesian produced item that would have been made for nobility. His cup would have been either wood or unglazed pottery. The Tupperware of the time.
I certainly can’t argue with that. Unfortunately, no real historical information about the Grail exists insofar as “official” sources are concerned (e.g. the Bible), thus we’re left to guess how Jesus acquired the cup to begin with (or fashioned it himself), or what material comprised it.
But, I agree 100% that there is no way it would have jewels or other accessories…
I would like to read the book but I didn’t include a link because it is not yet available at Amazon — perhaps only a Spanish version is out at this time.
I believe the cup I have read about was made of pewter. Then it was enclosed and decorated like the one pictured above. I can’t remember where it is. As others have said, Jesus didn’t own the cup; he just used it.
The claim in the article is that it is the cup that touched Jesus’s lips, not that it was Jesus’s personal cup. Though Jesus collected no material riches for himself, doesn’t mean that he did not have access to things through others who knew and respected him as “The Teacher”. Below is the scriptural reference of where the “Holy Grail” would have found its way to be touched by Jesus’s lips. In all likelihood this cup did not personally belong to Jesus, but was simply used by Him at the last supper.
Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. And Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, so that we may eat it.” They said to Him, “Where do You want us to prepare it?” And He said to them, “When you have entered the city, a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house that he enters. “And you shall say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher says to you, “Where is the guest room in which I may eat the Passover with My disciples?”’ “And he will show you a large, furnished upper room; prepare it there.” And they left and found everything just as He had told them; and they prepared the Passover. Luke 22:7-13
Whether or not the cup in the article is the genuine deal, who know… But, only conjecture assumes the cup was the personal possession of Jesus.
Excellent point and reference!
Perhaps the cup was furnished along with the rest of the tableware…
Off topic,
Is it true that the pope splashed Obama with holy water before speaking to him?
Obviously, the Pope did not splash O’Bummer with Holy Water. If he had, O’Bummer would have dissolved like the Vampire he is.
Just saying. 🙂
Stig’s-
Naw…it wasn’t Holy Water.
…t’was industrial strength Lysol disinfectant!!!
An example of those possessing riches that allowed Jesus to use what was their’s:
“When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered it to be given to him. And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away.” Matthew 27:57-60
Goose, which bible are you using , please….?
Cookin’ Mom ,
I use NASB most often. I like biblehub.com the most for making comparisons between translations.
“…But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.” Matthew 24:13
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” Matthew 24:14 KJV
Out of 21 translations on biblehub, 19 of them use the word “this” in Matthew 24:14 which causes me to believe the word “this” is pretty important and germane to what immediately preceded it in in Matthew chapter 24.
ciao,
the Wild Goose
p.s. remember this for your spiritual preps:
“Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.” Ephesians 6:13
It doesn’t matter weather it was his or not. It is unlikely he would have had access to or even had known someone who would have such a cup. At that time, metals in general were priceless.
The cup was supposable a cup from a tavern where they ate the last supper. Having a metal or onyx cup in such a place would be akin to going to Dennys and being served with gold and crystal place settings. Just doesn’t happen.
Pewter in General didn’t come into use in the near east until 300 years or so after the death of Jesus. The Romans invasion of Brittan which was right around the time of Jesus’s birth was to get access to the rare but needed Tin. Almost all mined tin went into bronze for weapons. Pewter didn’t come into general use until the 13th century when Iron was the metal of choice for weapons.
Based on the scriptural reference: “a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. “, I have to clearly disagree with your comment that Jesus couldn’t have known someone like that who could have possibly owned such a cup: “or even had known someone who would have such a cup”.
As far as what the cup was primarily made of according to the article, “agate and onyx”, and having access to such a cup at the last supper, well, Jesus clearly did know rich people, as indicated by scripture, who could have easily owned nice things. Whether or not they would allow Him to use it at such an occasion, I guess depends on how they viewed Him. Rather than your Denny’s analogy, I’m inclined to believe the last supper was more like a special occasion in a private home where the common, everyday dishes are neglected and the fine china and silverware are pulled out; and not just an outing to someplace like Denny’s.
I’m curious as to how you figure: “The cup was supposable [sic] a cup from a tavern where they ate the last supper.” Where did that piece of information come from?
As far as your exposition on metals, I yield.
AT that time the near east was occupied by the Romans. No one had metals except the Romans. All metals went into their military and coinage.
Even as late as 1000 years later, Wealthy people ate off of wooden or earthenware plates. Poor people didn’t use cups or utensils besides the knife here and there.
The Chalice probably wasn’t even a cup at all. It was most probably a carafe of some sort with 2 handles. People generally drank out of the same bowl or directly from carafe the wine was in. Cups didn’t generally exist.
People think it was a cup because of a painting made 1520 years after the fact.
What? So Jesus only drank from one cup his whole life?
artisan, not artesian.
In one of many conversations with a priest I knew decades ago, the concept of the grail being a state of mind rather than an object was discussed.
Can anyone really dispute that?
In the scripture quoted above his blood wasn’t actually in the cup…
Keep that in mind.
The idea of the holy grail being about spiritual and mental enlightenment is the whole concept behind the much loved celtic Arthurian fables of my childhood. The knight who eventually found the grail from amongst his round table comrades was the one who had the purest, kindest least corruptable character and spirit.
This story is an April fool for the gullible who think that QE and more state control is the way out of the mess the world finds itself in today!
In other news – my homemade red onion and sweetcorn relish is perfect with a slice of cold chicken, and fresh bread on a sunny day. It’s from a new (to me) recipe that’s deffo one for the folder.
Thanks to the poster that mentioned his experiences with keeping bantam chickens a couple of months back. We are about to try and incubate our first ever batch of eggs, so they’ll be ready to move into our new home with us next month. (It’s only a 10 min drive from where we are now, so no issues transporting wee chicks) Any advice on which of the following breeds is best for a backyard keeper?
Rhode Island Reds
Rhodebars (autosexing)
cuckoo marans
Ha Ha…
Nice Segway… 🙂
I’ve had good experience with reds. Great layers and very friendly.
The reds also worked well for us….
keep preppin’
Go with the Rhode Island Reds. Ours are 5 years old and still laying 5 or 6 days out of 7. They get fairly tame if well treated too.
I bet the Jesus killers are after this piece once they hear it is pure gold with all attached jewels. History never changes and repeats itself just like the way the tribe and their international reserve system stolen the golds from every single country on planet earth.
If I recall my the Sunday School lessons I endured as a youth, Jesus for the sins of mankind. Since you are a sinner, you are just as responsible for Jesus alleged death as anyone. Therefore, you are also a Jesus killer.
I might be NCjoe but at least my sins excludes stealing from others either as regular criminal and most importunity as a designed system under a legal name by the criminal tribe.
NCjoe-
Hmph!!!
There you go again w/ that liberal “moral relativism” crap.
…funny how all progressives like you, possess a glaring streak of “Masochism”…imbedded amid your manifold/pathetic character flaws….all the while sanctimoniously, demanding the rest of us, likewise wallow in abject self-pity & the flavor of the day..guilt complex.
—I despise liberal pieces of shit like you!!!—
ncjoe, what denomination were you in? You didn’t learn that in a church. Most likely you learned it from one of those daytime libturd TV talk shows. No, not one single one of us are responsible for Jesus’ death, so go f#$% yourself!
You… don’t… believe… that… Jesus… died… for… our… sins…
… But you call yourself a Christian…
Wow.
I assume the tribe you’re talking about are the Romans since they are the ones who executed Jesus. Damn dirty apes, uh, I mean Romans!
Does anyone find it curious that the same Rome that killed him, eventually decentralized into the most power and lucrative empire in recorded history known as the Roman Catholic Church?
Here is some dot-connecting that may help: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SypRzmqgS5s
Mac: that’s just the apologists who have come crawling out of the woodwork to cover every objection possible. They are a persistent breed; they will go to any lengths to ‘square that circle’. But as always, they offer NO verifiable historical evidence for their claims of the authenticity of the Grail itself or the alleged addition of jewels after the fact, just pure conjecture that must be taken on ‘faith’. But just like the Ark, they can put all the lipstick they wish on that pig, but in the end, it’s still just a pig. And these two are the proverbial ‘pigs in a poke’.
I LOVE APRIL FOOLS DAY
Me too, but I like it better when the joke isn’t on ME…
Now what? What does this have to do with SHTF?
I know its April Fools day but I just expected… i don’t really know. Something else I suppose.
It was a random tidbit of interest… It’s not all doom and gloom over here! 🙂
I like it- a break from the usual “doom and gloom”. :)Eve if it’s not true, it’s still worth thinking about. Besides, the item in question is still a valuable piece of history!
And here I thought you were trying to start a meaningful discussion…
How foolish of me…. 🙂
Mac, it is some interesting food for thought. I’ve always believed Jesus existed, but I’m not so sure about the grail.
This is just more superstitious nonsense. Christianity has been swamped by these stupid tokens for centuries. It’s not about bones, cups, crosses, shrouds and all the other marks of superstition. They are just imitations of the real, just another form of idolatry.
Matt.4:4 > Man lives by …..
Another sign, of the many that will come to pass this year.
Just another unhelpful article that this site prints. Nothing but scare stories (except for this one which has nothing to do with SHTF) with titles of how something is happening, but when you actually read the article, it says – well, this “could” happen. If there isn’t something important and factual to print, please don’t post garbage.
You CAN leave. You DON’T have to post a comment. If this site makes you so unhappy don’t visit it.
Ppod, Mac Slavo NEVER INTENTIONALLY PUT S UP ANY MISLEADING ARTICLES. HE HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE CONTENT OF SAID ARTICLES THAT HE PRESENTS TO US FOR DISCUSSION AND DEBATE. THAT’S SOMETHING THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA DOES. THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHERE YOU BELONG. WE DEAL WITH TRUTH HERE; NOT COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA, SO F#$% YOU!
the renegade braveheart: do you kiss your mother with that filthy mouth of yours?
RENEGADE BRAVEHEART – So you’re one of the idiots out in the world that believes everything you read, huh? I strongly suggest not taking everything this site prints as gospel. Take a look around the home page. They get paid for all of that crap advertising. And as we all know from mainstream media, fear sells. By the way, you’re argument is pathetic. You think this site has no control over these stories? Get your head out of your ass!
Let me just sum up every article this site prints… ANYTHING CAN AND/OR WILL HAPPEN TO YOU, AND EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET US! Please, just print facts! We get enough fear stories from the mainstream media!
Looking into the past allows you to see the future…
Or something to that effect… Who said that.
as long as no one washed it we could collect the dna of jesus and clone a new one, and that would fufill the predition of the 2nd coming.
perhaps they already secretly tried to do that, and we ended up with obullshit…
The Skunk has replaced the Eagle as the new symbol of the American Presidency. It is half black, half white, and everything it does, stinks.
And, that’s all I have to say about that!
Eppe, you have a gift for humor!
Yep, the only thing O’bummer’s lips have touched are a lot of asses (kiss kiss).
“Do you kiss your mama with those lips, son?”
If any human persons ever get cloned. They Wont have a God breathed Soul within themself. So even “If” the human part of Christ could be cloned, it still would be an Incomplete Christ. All you’d have is 1/2. The Human Man part.
Maybe Thats a reason some so desires to clone humans…Once cloned withOUT a real Soul from God within it, who knows what evils or wrongs such a clone would be willing to do with zero concience of it. Like the Perefct human Killing “machines” or a sort.
Those that believe this story, I have a bridge to sell you.
Film at 11
Meh.
More than likely not. Christ was not wealthy enough to have access to onyx carved cups. He would have more likely have had simple pottery cups.
Is there a deposit on it?
Just like my ex stories.
“I was a virgin”
At least it wasn’t a ‘cruel’ April Fools joke with something like:
-Obama resigns his office after he fires his entire cabinet. If I remember right, a new executive ‘order’ puts the head of DHS next in line to the throne after the speaker of the house.
We are screwed in so many layers there it’s not even funny!
What does it matter? An invisible flying sky zombie, or a child rapist on a winged horse who has virgins waiting for you in paradise, or whatever other fairy stories ignorant people want to believe have been used for centuries to keep people down and allow the powerful to oppress the powerless: the sooner we as humans quit believing such rubbish and accept we are here on this small dot of green and blue in an infinitely expanding universe alone the better off we will all be: the future’s here, we are it and we are on our own! Yes there are very real bad things just over the horizon fixing to happen to much of the world because of the screwed-up system of exploitation of limited resources we have contrived, but waiting on returning saviors is as silly now as sacrifices at the altar of Zeus were 5000 years ago.
well, religion has been around for a very long time.. sometimes its hard not to believe in it, when you consider the alternatives…
the “infinitely expanding universe” is a theory, based on the Big Bang Theory.. key word. THEORY. theories are based on fact, but not actual fact.
point is, nothing is 100%. you cannot tell me, 100% that there is no God(s). and I cant tell you 100% that there is.
but just in case there IS a God.. do you want to be on the arrogant, know-it-all, side that says he/she/it is fake…100% fake…?
I have a brain that I use as well, with that I make my own decisions. Question; why did people first start the idea of any sort of religion ?. Answer that one for yourself and you will have found the answer you may be searching for.
somewhere, I read that humans are the only animals that are aware that they will eventually die. all other animals live in the “here and now.”
this is why we created religion, maybe. because we, unlike a dog, know that the end will come eventually. and we are scared.
An alternative theory is children and animals don’t fear death as they are outside of judgment. Only humans who are of age to be judged begin to fear death.
I think Jesus tried to drive home the point that people should not worship things. Should not worship legalism. But we lack 1/10th of the love so need laws and icons.
No sorry dont agree. I say religion is no more than a bunch of rules (Law) to keep people on the right track that was intended by those who thought it up.
“Fact but not actual fact?” What an idiotic thing to say. If it is not an actual fact, how can it be a fact? You obviously have no clue what you are talking about and a very limited scientific literacy.
ncjoe, you’re the idiot and illiterate yourself.
factoid?
ridiculous: a perfect name for such dolt as yourself. I can prove with certainty that gravity, which is still called a ‘theory’ in physics, is a good working theory. If I tie you up and attach a large weight around you, and then toss you from a tall building, you’re going to fall until you meet the ground each and every time until you die. But then that’s ‘only/just a theory’ as you ignorant laymen call it. The depth of your scientific ignorance is only surpassed by its breadth. By the way, most illnesses are caused by invading bodies, and that is generally know in the scientific community as ‘germ theory’. Don’t believe in theories and the people who work on them daily, then just ignore them use your ‘holy book’ for guidance. With that attitude, you won’t need seatbelts because, after all, gravity is ‘just a theory’. And you won’t need to see the doctor next time you’re ill, because, after all, ‘germs are just a theory’. Just use your book for protection and you should be just fine. And if not, you get to go to heaven, so what’s your worry?
And please don’t make some sorry excuse by saying that this would be tempting
Ggod, because it’s not. Read your gospels for the true examples of tempting God. These cases wouldn’t apply. I find it amazing just how ignorant Christians are of their won Bible.
Hawkins: I’ve got it! I’ve got it! The pellet with the poison’s in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true! Right?
Griselda: Right. But there’s been a change: they broke the chalice from the palace!
Hawkins: They *broke* the chalice from the palace?
Griselda: And replaced it with a flagon.
Hawkins: A flagon…?
Griselda: With the figure of a dragon.
Hawkins: Flagon with a dragon.
Griselda: Right.
Hawkins: But did you put the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?
Griselda: No! The pellet with the poison’s in the flagon with the dragon! The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!
Hawkins: The pellet with the poison’s in the flagon with the dragon; the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.
Griselda: Just remember that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ9f2rnjB84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zIWcCvQNqQ
The Catholic Church has a long history involving antiquities fraud. It shouldn’t be a surprise since they preach a false gospel. We’re saved by faith alone in Christ alone guided by the Bible alone. Not by infant baptism and obedience to man-made rules. Mary wasn’t the mother of God. She was the mother of Jesus’ earthly body. Mary is a false god in the Catholic church but the real Mary would be horrified by it.
There’s no way that Jesus owned or drank from a goblet that was that expensive. If he had it would have had to be sold anonymously so no one turned it into an idol.
Well stated BC.
Not sure what Bible you’ve been reading, but we are saved by Grace alone, not faith alone.
In fact, the Bible specifically states that we are NOT saved by “faith alone”. James 2:24
If we are guided by “the Bible alone”, is guess everyone was screwed for about the first 400 years AD. And most everyone else was screwed for another thousand years until the Bible was printed and available to the public. The Bible says that the untaught will twist parts to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16
The Catholic Church does not claim that we are saved by infant baptism, it is the means by which the stain of Original Sin is washed away and the symbolic entry into the community of believers. Did Jesus not say “suffer the children to come unto me”? Matthew 19:14, Luke 18:16
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is fully God and fully man simultaneously and inseparably. The Catholic Church teaches Mary as mother of God to accentuate this. Mary is not the mother of the Father nor the Holy Spirit, but she is the mother of the God-man Jesus, and therefore the Mother of God.
The Catholic Church does not teach that Mary is a god, and so she cannot be a “false god”.
You may believe whatever you wish, but it is ignorant and uncharitable to mischaracterize the faith of others.
Jesus claims to be the son of God. So, my question to my Sunday school teacher was, “who did God have sex with to make Jesus?” I still wonder about that to this day. If God screwed Mary to make Jesus, was it consentual? If not, God is rapist. However, since Mary was not God’s wife, at the least God would be a fornicator. What was the OT punishment for fornication? Death by stoning. So, God is either a rapist or fornicator. Either way, He did not follow his own commandments and is worthy of death according to his own commandments. The conclusion is that if there is a God, he is not a God of justice and mercy but is a God of might makes right.
NC Joe:
After reading your blasphemous remarks about our Lord and Savior in your post I nominate you as the 2014 SHTF APRIL FOOL.
NC(blow-job)JOE->>
Where “EXACTLY” in North Carolina..ARE YOU?
..where do you live? What city/town?
Hunter and POG, ncjoe really set me off that time. also with the fact that my arthritis is acting up doesn’t make it any better. He better hope he never sees me anywhere. POG, glad to see you back.
NCJOE, F#$% YOU TO HELL AND BACK! I ALWAYS KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH YOU BUT THIS TAKES THE CAKE AND THE BAKERY ALONG WITH IT. YOU’VE GOT TO BE AN ABSOLUTE COMMUNIST PIECE OF TRASH TO SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT GOD. MAY HE HAVE MERCY ON YOU BECAUSE NONE OF US WOULD. I KNOW I WOULDN’T.
Wow! You christians are a violent bunch! But it’ll be OK. After you murder NCJoe you can just tell Jesus that he’s your lord and savior. You’ll still get into heaven for sure. How easy is that?
Thank you for the thoughtful facts presented respectfully.
This response was for General Mayhem who was thoughtful and respectful.
Barncat, I’m an old Southern Baptist and I was always told, “beware of the Catholics”. Catholicism IS a false religion and their doctrine is full of things that are not biblical at all. I’ve always had reservations about Catholic doctrine and clergy, but NOT about the average person in the catholic church who attends mass on any kind of basis. I realize they’ve been misled. The Catholic Church has been in bed with every tyrant in countries where they dominate since the beginning. Every tyrant in Europe going back to when the church was first formed came from a CATHOLIC FAMILY. Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Fransisco Franco, etc. came from Catholic families. Fidel and Raul Castro came from a Catholic family. Right after WW2, the VATICAN helped tens of thousands of Nazi war criminals to escape from Europe to South America. That made the US government’s Operation Paperclip look like child’s play. Yes, I believe the Catholics are as bogus as the day is long. After all, why was it called the ROMAN Catholic Church and why was their worldwide headquarters, the Vatican, located in ROME? Maybe the spiritual version of the Roman Empire?
so… you always believe everything someone tells you? You reserve nothing for skepticism or seek to test it out yourself to see if the opinions others attempt to pass to you are true?
Mary and Sam Druker, welcome aboard. You can research for yourselves what I’m saying about the Catholic Church. My late wife was raised Catholic but left them before we even met and would never tell me about her experience with them. she once told me that subject was off limits, period, so I let it go at that. had to be something really serious to make her leave.
Lot of nerve you have, vicious hater.
I challenge you to produce ONE Catholic doctrine that is unsupported by scripture.
Together we stand… divided we fall. The human loves to pick sides, and your enemy knows this.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SypRzmqgS5s
Your silence is deafening…
Mary being prayed to was to placate Mithridates as one of the many comprises the early church of Rome made to include pagens. The cult of mithris was very popular in the Roman army. Just like making “Yule” the birthday of Jesus. Who was born in early September. (9/11)?
EW-
Wrong answer, pal.
Question:
Don’t protestants ask others in their churches to pray for ‘someone in need, sick family, family crisis’ etc..etc???
..of course they do!!!! Yes?
Thus do Catholics…and who also pray/ask the earthly Mother of Christ..to pray for them/others & their needs too.
..if GOD the Father, thought enough to HONOR Mary, by selecting her to be the earthly Mother of GOD(the SON)…it stands to reason that we sinners of all denominations..are obligated to honor/respect her also…following his lead.
..hence, there is nothing wrong/blasphemous in asking the Mother of Christ…to pray for us!
Think about it!!!!
***addendum to above post-
..and don’t even think about using that old/worn-out talmudic canard of…Catholics worship Mary, the Mother of GOD.
..that feeble line, is nothing more than a typical jewish cheap-shot!
Mary was blessed by GOD the Father..real Catholics merely honor his decision/selection.
-GOD-..in his 3 identities IS WORSHIPED by Catholics..Mary(the Blessed Mother) is honored!
Hunter, AMEN to your comments. I stand by my comments about the Catholics. anyone can go online and research it for themselves. they’re no better than jews.
And this, in your mind, passes for rational discourse?
Good thing you’re there to tell Mary who to pray for. I just feel sorry for the poor sap in the hospital who doesn’t have a friend there reminding Mary to pray for him. How will she even know he exists? He’ll be doomed for sure.
@ Mac and everyone.
New News. NATO completely cuts off all cooperation with Russia. All ties are broken, including missiles and Iran and maybe Syria too. IT BEGINS.
Link to nato story.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/01/russia-hikes-gas-price-for-ukraine/?intcmp=latestnews
Don’t know why the title is not that of NATO suspending all military and civilian cooperation.
I’m surprised that no one but Fox is reporting on this – and it’s not even a headline on Fox. It seems pretty important.
Be Informed – I was wanting to talk to you anyway. Were there any earthquakes around north GA last night or this morning? Either I felt one or it was a dream. The dream was that my bed that I was lying on hit me from below and it was painful. In other words, like it dropped down and then jumped back up and slammed into me.
I read that this morning. and, coincidentally, (fear porn alert) the CG base near me is a lot more active than usual. not just red/white helicopters, but the black ones are out.
Given all the hype and veneration of that goblet and its supposed miraculous properties attributed it, could it be that the actual goblet used by Jesus and given to his disciples to drink from at the Last Supper was NEVER meant to be found? And for good reason; that goblet would be worshipped as an idol, MORE than Jesus, who held it.
It really does not matter. Those who believe in Jesus don’t need relics. Those who refuse to believe in Jesus will always remain unconvinced, regardless of what is presented before them.
Alot of bull over a superstitious sekt that copied all other previous religions and beliefs to get more followers. JC is a myth and the whole damn thing should be banned. Or are you also a pedo ?
Banned…..really? How very totalitarian of you.
“There are two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch.” -Nigel Powers
Another myth is German tolerance of other beliefs.
I guess you also think a large number of figures from history are also myths, because there is less evidence of their existence than of Jesus’ existence.
Archeology continues to provide more proofs of the Bible’s historical accuracy, and has not disproved any of it. At least in the King James version, there are supposed mistakes or contradictions, that are easily resolved. I have found only one real mistake, and it’s a copyist error in I or II Chronicles dealing with the ages of a man and his son. And my personal large-print copy has a typesetting error that I’ve marked with a Post-it note.
Read the entire Bible. Go online and find a chronological arrangement of the Bible so you can read it in historical order. The present order was an arrangement by type and size. The major prophets are just larger books than the minor prophets, for example.
By the way, the unicorn is real. “Uni” means one; “corn” means horn. Unicorn refers to a one-horned rhino.
“Alot of bull over a superstitious sekt that copied all other previous religions and beliefs to get more followers.”
There is no such word as “alot”.
One of my teachers in school said “A lot is a plot of ground.”
You are, unfortunately, incorrect.
Alot is a town in the Ratlam district of Madhya Pradesh, India.
“Alot is a town in the Ratlam district of Madhya Pradesh, India.”
So, in other words, according to you what german boy stated was:
“A town in the Ratlam district of Madhya Pradesh, India of bull over a superstitious sekt that copied all other previous religions and beliefs to get more followers.”
Makes perfect sense.
Or maybe I should say that it makes abunch of sense. Or aheap of sense. Or quite abit of sense. Or better yet, awholelot of sense.
Note also that the town you reference is capitalized, whereas “alot” was not.
I speak three launguages, how many can you muster dumbo ?
Three languages, eh?
And how many of them correctly?
You could begin learning proper English in order to improve on at least one of them.
Start by realizing that the non-word “alot” doesn’t work in your statement.
Can you do that, boy?
I knew that you could.
To answer your question…
I only speak one language.
Not three “launguages” like you.
🙂
german boy: The old joke goes; what do you call someone who speaks two languages-bilingual. And what do you call someone who speaks three or more languages-poly lingual. And what do you call someone who speaks only one language-an American. By all standards, Americans are some of the most illiterate and unscientific people on the planet. Their national test scores rank as some of the worst in the world, often below those of many eastern European and Asian counties. Small wonder that 2/3s of all the science and engineering students in American universities are foreign born. Reading the responses of most of the folks on this site, you can see why. There are a few bright ones, but most are about to become members of the slave class.
Sounds like a true Nazi just spoke. German boy fits you just right.
No, Im no Nazi, just like to think outside the box, you should try it one day.
Considering your offensive and unsubstantiated attacks against Catholics, I don’t think you have much room to speak of intolerance.
I am still waiting for you to produce a Catholic doctrine that contradicts scripture.
Is there any historical documentation on Jesus, or was it just spread word of mouth for a century or so until someone wrote it down?
Yes, there is Roman and Jewish documentation, as well as the early Christian writings.
Bear in mind there were no newspapers in the day, no print, literacy was not common, and much writing has disappeared over the span of 2,000 years.
“Antiquities of the Jews” by Josephus.
Another home run for Biblical Archaeology. Another strike out for atheism. We are ahead 150,000 to 0.
This is an April Fool’s Day joke, right? Sure sounds like one to me.
Just one more in a long line of “relics” that the Church of Rome loves to foist upon the simple minded and unlearned.
There is no power to be found in some inanimate object, whether Christ touched it or not. He could have used it every day of his life and it would still have no more power than any other cup used by any Joe Blow of his day.
Just another form of idolatry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0wvGiAH9g
Religions are all myths designed to control people.
You have religion and the democratic party mixed up….
Christians believing that Jesus will save them are as deluded as democrats thinking the government will save them.
I have to agree with J.R.
This is a April FOOL Joke. I don’t believe our Lord and Savior Would have use what little bit of money that they had on a cup like this.
Sgt.
Off Topic:
Ok I just got some Elderberry wine. Now how do you use it to fight colds? No Elderberry brandy in my area.
I know how to use Blackberry brandy for the stomach flu. But id don’t know how to use the Elderberry.
Please Help.
Sgt.
I have read that you drink a glassful before bedtime as soon as any symptoms start. You might also do a search on elderberry extract. That might last longer as a supply item than wine.
Sgt Dale-
This is the best known commercial version. Can buy at Wal-Greens, CVS others. GREAT medicine, IMO
h ttp://www.sambucolusa.com/store/
I don’t know about the wine, but I do know that Sambucol, the brand of elderberry that uses an extraction method that preserves certain enzymes (or something like that) really does work. Start taking three times a day as soon as symptoms are noticed.
A good friend uses Elderberry syrup for colds/flu. She takes 1/2 – 1 TBSP normally once a day, but ups it two twice a day when suffering with cold/flu
Sorry.
It should read …but ups it to twice a day, when suffering with cold/flu symptoms.
Sgt
My wife makes Elderberry syrup. (Like cold syrup) We all seem to feel it works quite well. It’s easy to make plus I enjoy looking out for the bushes. Most don’t even realize what they are.
To all the above.
Thanks so very much for the INFO!
Sgt.
SGT==puritan pride–free shipping.
Black Elderberry Liquid Extract
1 TB 4 times a day
If I took a glass of this, it wouldn’t last long–it is only 8 oz.
puritan.com/dynamic-health-brand-0282/black-elderberry-liquid-extract-033780?scid=6829
$7.50 per bottle
for colds, coughs, flus, and respiratory infections
J J
Thanks some much for the info.
Sgt.
You are welcome–have been buying there for over 3 years and have no complaints at all–herbs, vitamins, etc.
Once, my order was less than $25 and I complained about shipping costs applied to the order–customer service refunded shipping and I later understood the shipping was free for $25 and over orders!!
Oops.
I’m not sure about how to use Elderberry wine to fight colds. Myself, I use the Fred Sanford approach; drink two fifths of Musketel, the cold is still there, but I am gone!
CUP
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sgt.
***OFF TOPIC***
But ties in with what Be Informed has been saying recently:
Russia’s new S-500 system to destroy any target at any altitude
Russia to expand missile attack warning network of next-generation radars
Moscow (Voice of Russia) Mar 30 – Russia is deploying a network of next-generation prefabricated modular radar stations, Aerospace Defense Forces spokesman Col. Alexei Zolotukhin said. This is being done to guarantee the constant monitoring of every missile threat direction. “Four Voronezh-class radar stations have joined the network of the Main Missile Attack Warning Center of the Aerospace Defense Force’s Space Command. The construction of another three Voronezh-class radar stations has begun in a number of Russian regions,” he added.
Russia’s new fifth-generation air defence system S-500 will be able to destroy any target at any altitude, Deputy Defence Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday, March 26.
“Work is underway to create a new fifth-generation air defence system S-500 which can destroy aerodynamic and ballistic targets of all types at all altitudes used in combat,” he said.
Borisov said S-400 systems would continue to be supplied to the Aerospace Defence Troops this year. The system “is about 2-2.5 times better than existing systems in terms of cost efficiency”, he added.
S-400 Triumf air defence systems were put on combat duty in Russia’s Southern Military District at the end of last year to replace S-300PM missiles.
Supplies of new air defence systems to the 4th Air Force and Air Defence Command in the District started in 2009. Since then, more than 60 pieces of new military hardware have been delivered and put into operation.
The Triumf system is more than two times more effective that previous systems. Each system can attack 10 targets with up to 20 missiles.
The S-400 uses 3 different missiles to cover its entire performance envelope.
The Russian Ministry of Defence has stated that the S-400 is for the Russian Armed Forces only; it will not be exported to other countries.
The Russian Defence Ministry and the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) are also building a new carrier rocket called Angara and have stepped up preparations for its first launch. “We have done a tremendous amount of work to step up preparations for the Angara launch and to catch up with the schedule. And there is no doubt today that Angara will fly in July,” he said.
Rest of story here:
h ttp://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russias_new_S_500_system_to_destroy_any_target_at_any_altitude_999.html
Ahem,,,,
The OAS discussion,,
Wheres everyone at with regards to, Newby/ DC started it in last article, and is a pertinent topic.
Sheesh people – look at the date. April fool.
We can figure out something like this, or how old is planet earth or the exact distance to remote stars… but we can’t find a plane!
I’m going to be nice to trolls. APRIL FOOL!
Shit, Is that little print towards the bottom say “MADE IN CHINA”. Oh wait its states Mexico…
I call B.S. on this one. I doubt Christ would have such an opulent and gaudy looking thing as that. He’s a VERY simple man and the people that followed him were the sick and very very poor. He stayed away from those that were wealthy and had influence.There is NO WAY he would have or even WANT to have something as sick and twisted as that cup.
More satanic lies.
**But according to the researchers the jewels and other accouterments were added much later.**
It’s called comprehension, phil.
Why are religious people so appalled at the idea that Jesus’s cup would be richly ornamental. Is he not suppose to be the King and ruler of everything. If that is so unworthy of their leader, why do they follow men that are ornately dressed and living rich lives on the backs of the hard working parishioners?
Wow. Just in time for the rapture next week too!
Or the week after/month after/whatever.
This is totally cool.
Now I have no doubt I’ll find the goose that lays the golden egg. I mean why not? If a relic from one child’s bedtime story can be “found” why can’t another?
It may not be a cup, but a blood line………
There is “no doubt”, eh? Is it for sale on Ebay?
Can we extract Jesus’ DNA from it, perhaps clone Jesus to speed up the second coming?
Hey guess what? The gold that was later added to the grail was created in a supernova explosion that also created the calcium in your bones and blasted the iron found in your blood from the center of that massive star into an interstellar cloud along with all the other elements and molecules that formed our solar system.
Although not guaranteed to go up in value, these chalices are highly collectible.
Well i tell you what,Jesus was Amerikan!! Hot damn ‘merikans!
Y’all take come back now ya hear!
A guh a guh a guh a guh…
– A whaaat…?
A guh a guh…
– A GRRRAIL???!!
Yes… I think so… y…yes…
Well.
Drink outa it see what happens… right?
Didn’t Jesus say something to the effect of “dont covet idols”? Like, dont hold the Church as the only means of speaking with God, or dont pray to idols instead of God? All this grand hooblah about the Holy Grail seems to be going against what Jesus preached about. Am I missing something here? I just really wish people would pay more attention to what he taught and preached, rather what he touched; it’s a huge difference in consciousness.
Forgive me if I dont seek to blindly follow along with whatever I’m told to do so. It’s a cup, great, nothing special about it. I cant reason why everyone would idolize his material possessions or that which he interacted with. He once breathed the same air you breathe, and pissed on the same planet you walk on now, idolize that.
it never ceases to amaze me the shit that some come up with and the number of dumb sheep who buy into it.
You can’t be serious!!? Ok… and I have the leftover carrot that Bugs Bunny ate. Come on people, this is so much horseshit it would gag a shit beetle.
Amazing that they discovered this on April Fool’s Day.
April 1st, 2014 . . . . . . . . fools.
I have a great idea … lock the two of them and the cup in a vault / tomb for a couple of years and when they come out alive and well, we will know two things …a) it is indeed THE cup and b) that the fairytale is the truth after all.
FAKE!!! I bought the REAL Grail in Mexico City years ago!!!
After reading the comments of a one Professor Higgins, it is my assumption that his credentials were obtained from some dumbed down public institution of lesser quality.
However, as many comments here are directed to the Catholic Church I would ask all to listen to the “1999 Eucharistic Miracle in Argentina” on Utube.
A host, that was dropped on the ground during communion was retrieved by the priest, placed in the tabernacle and later found to have “red” stain’s resembling blood or blood vessels. Argentinian experts were summoned and they in turn sent the host to experts in both the USA and in Europe. Some of the top Cardiologists and forensic scientists in the world both in America and Europe, studied this host and there conclusions were: It was the blood of a man approximately 33 years old, it was a part of the muscle of a man’s heart, and it was “beating” like a live heart under scientific observation, absolutely unexplained by science. Not only did the samples beat, but they were compared to two other Eucharistic miracles that happened centuries previous and of which remnants are keep in Italy. Without the scientists knowing the connection or origination of the Argentinian host and the blood samples from several centuries past, they stated that all three were from the “same man, approximately 33 years old and type AB blood” You have to listen to this.
But this is one of thousands of examples that I can give that prove the existence of heavenly miracles unexplained by science but admitted by the most erudite, learned and professional scientists in the world.
The Shroud of Turin is also an example, when you listen or read the testimony and results of all the scientific studies concerning its authenticity, that people like this Prof. Higgins, are nothing but the bottom of trash, some call professional or scientists.
The Monty Python version is better:
“Good people- will you help us in our search for the holy grail?”
Frenchies: “We already have one!”
The greatest failure of those seeking spiritual wisdom and power is in confusing the literal and physical with the symbolic and metaphorical. It is the inverse absurdity of valuing a virtual object over an actual one in the physical universe.
I guess they haven’t heard of the holy roman catholic church’s relic fabrication industry.