Californians are bailing on the Golden State in droves as the tax burden and housing costs make the price of living unbearable for far too many. Many of those fleeing are the hearty middle-class who are being pushed into poverty by the socialist policies forced on them by the state’s elites.
The trend is a symptom of the state’s housing crunch and the ever increasing taxation. Census Bureau data show California lost just over 138,000 people to domestic migration in the 12 months ended in July 2017. Lower-cost states such as Arizona, Texas, and Nevada are popular destinations for relocating Californians.
Housing costs and the tax burden is far less impactful in pretty much any place outside of California, whose socialist policies drive up poverty and continuously erode the middle class leaving only the extremely wealthy and those in abject poverty.
The surging number of those working in Silicon Valley and still unable to afford adequate housing should be a warning about big government, but it sure doesn’t seem like anyone is taking notice as their taxes continue to rise. As governments creep toward socialism though, poverty becomes the norm, not the exception. Silicon Valley has the highest median income in the nation. But a soaring tax burden and expensive regulations have caused housing prices to increase which has also caused homelessness to surge. –SHTFPlan
“There’s nowhere in the United States that you can find better weather than here,” said Dave Senser, who lives on a fixed income near San Luis Obispo, California, and now plans to move to Las Vegas. “Rents here are crazy if you can find a place, and they’re going to tax us to death. That’s what it feels like. At least in Nevada, they don’t have a state income tax. And every little bit helps.” Senser added that he previously lived in the east San Francisco Bay region, and said housing costs and gas prices are “significantly lower in Las Vegas. The government in the state of California isn’t helping people like myself. That’s why people are running out of this state now.”
A USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times Poll of Californians last fall found that the high cost of living, including housing, was the most important issue facing the state. It also found more than half of Californians wanted to repeal the state’s new gas tax, which raised fees by a whopping 40 percent further burdening those already living paycheck to paycheck.
During the 12-month period that ended in July of 2017, California saw a net loss of just over 138,000 people, while Texas had a net increase of more than 79,000 people. Arizona gained more than 63,000 residents, and Nevada gained more than 38,000. “You can literally have a lot of buying power for the dollar in Southern Nevada versus Southern California,” said Christopher Bishop, president of the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors. “So it has been a major trend over the year, year and a half, and we’re seeing it increase.”
I can’t say that I blame them for leaving. I was stationed in San Francisco for five years in the 1980’s. It was crazy even back then. Nice place to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there again.
Bullshit Fritz, I DO blame them. They have the power and authority to fix problems instead of fleeing like cowards. For fuck sake when are people going to stand together and fight this shit? Otherwise all states will eventually be like Kalifornia.
CJ – Great counterpoint. I can’t say that I disagree with you about any of that. I suppose it’s coming that we will all have to make a stand at our own time in our own way within our own power to do so. Maybe that’s what defines our lifetimes and our presence and purpose on this Earth. Standing together to oppose the nonsense is the right thing to do but even on this small site, the unity is rather fractious at times. Freedom lovers generally are not well organized. I think it is a shame what is happening in California. I did enjoy living there when I did. There’s so much natural beauty and many wonderful people. Even the lefties I knew were, well, different, but they weren’t the virulent, obnoxious commie-thugs that dominate the liberal political landscape in our country today. Let me rephrase to say that I understand the futility of sensible people who want to leave an unfair, failing state where they are wildly underrepresented and don’t have much hope of effecting change in the traditional sense. Anyway, thanks for replying. Godspeed in all you do friend.
You have no idea what its like to vote, organize, donate and every other thing you can do only to have a super majority shit on you for 20 years. It isn’t my fault and you can’t blame conservatives for getting the hell out of dodge. Now if we could just get The State of Jefferson, it would be a different story but the reality is we have no real representation and we are tired of progressive socialist rubbing our noses in it. Fuck this state. Hopefully the San Andreas pops off and I’ll have ocean front property here in the Sierra
Can’t fight complete Desertification brought on by agricultural practices that amount to mining. No aquifers being refilled, most are drained. The land is sinking rapidly… then there are the quakes.
Probably better to leave sooner than later so you have an established home & community that can sustain rather than drain you and yours.
You can always visit…
For now.
Max: Desertification is caused by the state government that wastes about 50% or more of our surface water out to sea, refuses to thin our forests, thereby reducing water percolation into the ground, killing more trees and making the wild fires worse, refusing to build dams for reservoirs and more green energy and protecting our ground water, ad nausium.
When the state government is so full of lust for power and money (never mind the ordinary people), the labor unions are similar and have the state government bought and paid for, and the election laws are rigged, making it hard for conservatives and others to be elected, the only option is to try to escape.
I was in SF in 1968. A nice, unfurnished, two bedroom apt in the center of things was $1100 a month without counting utilities.
As a busboy I was making $6.50 an hour. I imagine that same apt would rent for at least $3,000 a month now, but you still can’t afford it on $15 per hour as a busboy. 🙂
DK – I bet those were good times back then. 🙂
I’m looking at a 1961 ad for apartments in SF- $125-175.
Minimum wage in ’68 was $1.60. . .you were getting $6.50 as a busboy? 4X minimum. . . Even union jobs didn’t pay that much.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/san-francisco-housing-crisis_us_5750a95ee4b0eb20fa0d682e
this scum will move to your state and change the politics, watch out for them.
I couldn’t have said it better myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m in Arizona and it’s already happening….
It’s been happening since the late 80’s en masse.
Happening here in Texas, bathroom issues, confederate statues are being taken down (dont show robert e lee, your hurting my feelings!)
I give Texas 5 years and it will be come california
Nope. If Texas turns blue the Patriots will wipe out the opposition and declare it a republic.
I couldn’t have said it better myself!!!!!!!!!!
I’m in Arizona and it’s already happening here….
ATTENTION KALIFORNIANS! DO NOT MOVE TO ANY OF YOUR NEARBY STATES! WE HATE YOU AND YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE! GO FUCK UP IN MASS. OR NY OR SOME OTHER SHITHOLE STATE! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! TOO MANY OF YOU ASSHOLES HERE ALREADY! STAY PUT AND DEAL WITH YOUR ISSUES!
Let them move to Oregon !!! 🙂
They have been coming to Oregon for years.
You are pretty judgemental and self righteous-for an ignoramus. Obviously, by the comments, FORMER Californians are EVERYWHERE in the U.S. and why not?! We are Americans TOO! WE gave this country Devin Nunes and which state rep compares to HIM?! You are no better than me. Get off your imaginary high horse before you stumble and hurt yourself.
Hey! I live in shithole NY state. It’s about as bad as California with all the oppressive laws and the high taxes.
@goofygal….
EXACTLY….
Stupid morons. They leave the state because the leftist politicians have killed it. Politicians that THEY voted for. Then the go to other states….CONSERVATIVE states….and set about to make it just like the s–thole state that they left.
I’m in Texas…and the loony leftists from The People’s Republik of Kalifornia have been migrating here. They no sooner get here until they start squawking about banning guns, raising taxes and importing immigrants from s–thole countries.
I lived in Commiefornia for 20 years….but I grew up in Texas. I was surround by leftists whackos out there, and I opposed them continually. I finally got fed up with it and left. Let ’em keep their stupid commie ideas and take their screwed up state straight to hell.
Let me tell all you immigrants from Commiefornia and other states like it….leave your stupid leftist ideas behind you or get the hell out of my state. If you don’t….don’t be surprised at any hostility you receive from those of us who don’t want to be stupid slaves like you.
True….you’d think they’d have learned the policies caused this yet their beliefs come with them. Idiots!
Amen. Any time I see a California license tag on a car I gag. I fear there is another California asshole moving into our state. They screwed up their nest, now live in it. We don’t need your California ways. Go back where you came from.
ABSOLUTELY! I have lived in OR for 6 years (and moved from CA). I am an independent. CA is Commiefornia now. There are HORDES of Californians moving up here. There socialist policies destroy whatever they touch. This state (OR) is fast going the way of the liberal trash. Proposed gun legislation is WORSE than what CA has. We have a fight on our hands. In fact, my wife and I are thinking of moving to Austin, TX. Even Austin is a bastion of liberalism as Texas goes, but it is not as bad as CA.
That’s what happens when you punish the Productive Makers and reward the Parasite Takers. The makers simply pull up stakes and migrate to greener pastires. Its the only reasonable and prudent decision.
Well said
I read two years ago an economist that assured California by 2026 would have only illegals and politicians living there!!!
That’s “professional” politicians to you bud.
Same, same. No difference. Illegals are being appointed to public office in the PRK. 🙁
So California will be like it was circa 1750? Returned to New Spain and Catholicism- Feudalism restored, Renaissance and Enlightenment and Protestantism defeated.
Hail Aztlan!
https://sunnation.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/aztlan.jpg
That appears to be exactly what they want to happen. I mean they’ve DIRECTLY said it themselves. On TV no less.
@oldguy…
Unfortunately…not all of them are productive. Some of them are just going where they think they’ll be better off and don’t have a freaking idea of what it was that killed the economy in their state.
They bring their stupidity with them.
Agree. I suspect most are leaving for economic reasons but most don’t make the connection between California policies and thinking that created the economic delta between California and other less expensive states. But they bring that California thinking with them. Example: Denver, Colorado has been receiving California refugees since the late sixties/early seventies. Now Denver is a solidly democratic city.
“California has worn me quite thin.” Californians pour into adjoining states raising the shithole quota in those states. A vicious cycle. How stupid is the state government? I know someone who claimed unemployment benefits there falsely and took 36 thousand dollars. This person went to a state hearing and talked their way out of paying it back. Multiple that by thousands of like crooks and it’s easy to see the collapse looming.
Oh, please. And next week there will be another story. “Sanctuary Planet.” This time California defeats Trump and legal immigration with hookers, whores, prostitutes, porn stars, and Playboy Playmates.
well said
As people leave it will eventually put downward pressure on real estate prices. Couple that with the Fed raising interest rates and the word crash comes to mind. Oh well. Glad I left decades ago.
I was born and raised in Southern California. I’m one of the few conservatives it produced. I did not screw up the states I fled to in order to escape the madness in CA. Unfortunately the people leaving now will just sh it in their new nests in whatever state they land in and ruin them.
Same here. Left in the 1970s and I will never step foot in the state again. The last time I was there, about 25 years ago, the air quality was horrible. No reason to visit, ever again.
Yes the conservatives left already (along with a bunch of liberals). Time to build a wall around california! Fook them! Make it like escape from LA, a big assed prison for the butt burglars…
Yeah, because Representative Devin Nunes is a big, fat loser….right?! HE is awesome and he is from California! That says that Calufornians still live here and are fighting for a heck of a lot more than you guys who arent on the front line, are. So stuff it. Pipe down while we battle for YOU too!
Y’all need to get rid of the 10 day waiting period for gun purchases.
Tell Governor Moonbeam or whoever runs the show, SHALL NOT INFRINGE.
“. . .That says that Calufornians still live here. . .”
I presume you mean Whites still live here.
I too was born and raised in Kalifornia. I am a conservative as well and did NOT vote for any of the commies in office now ir who have been in the past. I am retiring in 2 years from a job I have had for the last 15 years an am fleeing with my family very soon after. Just because some of you were lucky enough to be born somewhere else or were fortunate enough to leave when you did, don’t blame us who are awake and want to get out.
CA: Well it sucks! Any normal, decent middle class person should get the living hell out of that vile hole!! Get out while you still can folks. If you stay, well, you deserve what the DemonRATS do to your wallet and your anus.
Not to mention your guns.
Get out while you can… AS IN GO TO MEXICO OR SOME OTHER COUNTRY! DO NOT STAY IN THE WEST… WE HATE YOU BADLY!
How about standing and fighting? What happened to that? Nobody stands and fights anymore. They just run away. The Muslims run away from their tyrants and take over Europe and the U.S. (The climate is better anyway.) The Hispanics don’t stand and fight. The Hispanics don’t pick-up a gun and take their country (Mexico) back. No. They runaway to the U.S. Same thing with all these “sh*t hole countries. The people became sh*t holes first. Their country just followed them there. They are going to follow them here. The already have.
you hit the nail on the head
You forgot the school system.
Pride of the third world, man.
And ours produces “professional shooters.” Top that.
We don’t educate our kids. Our government has given up on that and the school system. The school system has given up on our teachers. And our students have given up on all of it. All they have to do is look around to know they are f*cked. No wonder they are picking up guns. 2ND Amendment in motion.
Now all we need to do is to get them to go to Washington. Maybe our children can drain the swamp.
Blame-e: Excellent idea – “Maybe our children can drain the swamp”. God knows those who promised to do so are dropping the ball, maybe deliberately.
I’m a B from CA.
There are a lot of good people in California. Those who live there enjoy the best climate and the best land. Where I grew up, our backyard was a forest filled with deer and wildlife. Whenever your garden of paradise is invaded by the devil, the devil works night and day to drive you out.
What I saw is politely referred to as white flight. When the going gets tuff, the tuff run. And the world jeers “tuff”. “It’s your own fault.”
But everyone forgets to blame the devil behind the scene planning, plotting, and manipulating.
I met a man who was quite brilliant. He said that he had been a mathematician and science major at UC Berkeley and a rising star, when he was given LSD. The next day he was hugging trees. He dropped out, like many other victims of the undercover operation of the Communists.
California was not destroyed by Californians. Californians were destroyed by Communists. Be mindful it doesn’t happen to you and yours. Communism is globalism is Internationalism is Liberalism is NeoConism is…
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I was born and raised in South CA. They are very few good people left in CA as indicated by the nature of the elected politicians. The good people left and will continue to leave.
CA is a beautiful place, but it SUX to live there when you have to deal with all the progressives.
I’d rather live with Mexicans than white progressives.
Mexicans have family values. White progressives are family
killers.
B is right, California is a symptom. Whatever social engineering is here emanates from (((D.C.))) and (((NYC))). Commie ideology and commie monetary hegemon. Chewish from stem to stern.
Here, J. M. Keynes:
Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.
We need to look at things in full context- the big picture. Posters here, with some notable exceptions, remind me of Archie Bunker. Mediocre IQs stretched to the breaking point, and still inadequate.
The world’s biggest problem is the FAKE MONEY MONOPOLY. Second, or perhaps first, is the INFORMATION MONOPOLY. Evil in one word- MONOPOLY. Or (((MONOPOLY))).
Is there any connection between malignant narcissism and monopoly?
Left in 1981
best thing I ever did and
NEVER looked back.
California should be renamed as “New Venezuela”.
It’s all part of the plan. They have taken control of California, and N.Y., and now will take down Texas to gain insurmountable control of the electoral college. These states need to be broken up.
Left end of 2016 after 5 years. Could not get a head or buy a house. Great weather, great friends, but CA politics and taxation are no friend of mine.
Horace Greeley gave the famous advice of “Go West. Young man!”. If the California lifestyle and mindset appeals to you and you agree with the ultra-liberal objectives of Jerry (Moonbeam) Brown, Greeley’s advice is still good. Don’t let the Pacific Ocean stop you when you get to the beach. My advice is “Push the pedal to the medal and keep going!”. That’s the gas pedal and not the brakes.
Of the 138000 who fled it’s likely there are ten times that who wish to leave but cannot. Of those 138k who ran I’d like to ask about their voting pattern over the recent years. Bet they overwhelmingly were on board with Moonbeam ‘Mentally Ill’ Brown. Yeah, bet they thought by voting for demo-rotten socialists they’d be getting something for nothing. Granted, RepubliCONs ain’t a hell of a lot better.
To this day I see zero rebellion among the productive working class and business classes in Kalifornicate.
Moonbeam was depending on a Hellary win. That way he could have his cake and high taxes too with the rest of the country baling him out of a default. Didn’t work out that way. But, in the next election, demo-rottens will likely increase their numbers in the state house.
It might be an advantage for May-he-co to go ahead and take over, officially, it’s northern province.
GLS, a frequent commenter here named “Old Guy” coined a phrase about MAKERS (producers) and TAKERS (the free-shit army). I thinke most of the folks leaving CA are the MAKERS. CA puts no value on USA citizenship. They are too busy bending over backwards for illegals.
Case in point. In the late 70’s and through out the 80s, Californians retired in Oregon. It used to be a middle of the road state. Now its basically the state of Northern California or Southern Seattle. The retirees moved to lower cost locations like Portland, Salem and Eugene. Basically the same model as Illinois – Chicago controls the GD vote for the entire rest of the state, which has good folks below 1-80 who have nothing in common with Cook and Will County.
Locally we are being over run with illegals and Californians The refugees immediately want to change things to Calif they are going to talk to their representative to make it more like home Housing in some cases has gone up 47% in one year. Locals are being evicted so they can raise the rent for Californians with money. mean while low cost rentals are filled with 12 or more illegals in each house. Lose your home you have to move away to get a place to live. Crime has spiked sky high to supply drugs to the refugees They bring the Calif culture with them all over again
They keep piling-in ever more McMansions, as far as the eye can see, until there is nothings else. There used to be pastures full of grain and cattle, orchards, reservoirs and productive industries. These were replaced with styrofoam and hollow, plastic, architectural elements, which decompose in 5yrs of UV.
Malthus calling. Don’t need to do anything antisocial. Just bite your tongue, and cross your arms.
Former Californian residents should be banned for life from ever voting in the new state they land in. Why? These people never learn. Look no further than Montana, Oregon, & Colorado as examples of how these people move to “get away”, and then promptly destroy the new state they move to, by voting for the same socialist/communist policies they claim to hate. Trump should build the wall around California, and let that state rot.
It’s the voters who keep reelecting those clowns into the state legislature. Seems the legislature is more interested in non-citizens and criticizing Trump than in actually doing anything that will help the American citizens living in the state. The taxes are outrageous and are killing what little the average citizen makes from his paycheck. My brother lived outside San Diego. He moved to Oregon. Friends of his in San Diego told him that their property taxes went up recently about 10x what it was when he was living there. Apartment costs are ridiculous. As for Seniors, California is NO PLACE to retire. I am now paying more in state income taxes since I’ve retired than I was paying when I was working and making a lot more money. I can’t understand why people still want to move to California. The state has NOTHING TO OFFER.