An Act of War: CIA Leak Gives “Incontrovertible Evidence” That 9/11 Was State Sponsored

by | Dec 16, 2013 | Headline News | 494 comments



If you have ever questioned the official narrative for the September 11th attacks then you have, without a doubt, been dubbed a conspiracy nut by the establishment media and those who hang on their every word.

Like the Warren Commission report on the JFK assassination, the 9/11 Report assembled by a Congressional investigation is unraveling and being revealed for what it really is – nothing more than a cover story.

This is no longer a conspiracy theory… it’s conspiracy fact.

After the 9/11 attacks, the public was told al Qaeda acted alone, with no state sponsors.

But the White House never let it see an entire section of Congress’ investigative report on 9/11 dealing with “specific sources of foreign support” for the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals.

It was kept secret and remains so today.

President Bush inexplicably censored 28 full pages of the 800-page report. Text isn’t just blacked-out here and there in this critical-yet-missing middle section. The pages are completely blank, except for dotted lines where an estimated 7,200 words once stood

A pair of lawmakers who recently read the redacted portion say they are “absolutely shocked” at the level of foreign state involvement in the attacks.

Some information already has leaked from the classified section, which is based on both CIA and FBI documents, and it points back to Saudi Arabia, a presumed ally.

The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically. The intelligence files cited in the report directly implicate the Saudi embassy in Washington and consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks, making 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war.

The New York Post investigation reveals that Saudi agents, officials and operatives in Virginia, Florida, California and D.C. provided direct support by way funding or intelligence to those involved in bringing down the towers.

Karl Denninger at the Market Ticker succinctly argues that this was, in fact, an act of war:

It’s obvious given what happened, the logistical and funding requirements and where the hijackers came from along with inexplicable actions immediately following the attacks — unless our government explicitly let certain people flee.

Yet we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan while helping the Saudis — the very people who attacked us.

And Obama, to this day, kisses the Saudi King.

Over three thousands Americans are dead – yet President Obama bows to Saudi King Abdullah, whose government had direct ties to 9/11 hijackers:

It makes a very convincing case that the Saudi Government was involved in an act of war against the United States.  Not simply terrorism — remember, the Pentagon, a military target, was one of the locations hit.  The other intended target for the plane that went down in PA was the Capitol.

You awake yet America?

You damn well should be.

It’s about damn time that the mainstream media started talking about this — you’re only a decade late, *******s.  And no, people like myself who have been saying this all along are not nuts.  

We’re right.

In addition to this startling, yet unsurprising, revelation is even more evidence that those within the Saudi government knew what was coming. Somebody made a ton of money shorting airline stocks by positioning themselves for stock prices to crash in the aftermath of 9/11 and according to Infowars, that may well have been the Chief of Saudi Intelligence and other government officials. Moreover, after all flights within the continental United States were grounded there was one – just one – airplane that was allowed to fly over U.S. soil to, you guessed it, Saudi Arabia. On board that plane were – and this has been confirmed by an official Freedom of Information request – the members of Osama Bin Laden’s extended family.

And these are but a few of the hundreds of inconsistencies surrounding the September 11th, 2001 attacks.

As it turns out, the “conspiracy theorists” are the ones who accurately detailed the series of events and those involved in the attacks. The “official story” itself, it seems, is the “conspiracy theory.”

They’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars on securing the United States and preventing another act of terror on U.S. soil. They’ve turned their massive surveillance infrastructure inwards on the American people under the pretext of preserving our safety. They’ve identified hundreds of thousands of Americans and included them on watch lists that restrict their travel or flag them as potential threats to national security.

Yet the real threat, the one that has been validated by scores of reports and investigations, is being redacted and ignored by our government.

We know that there is more to 9/11 than the official story.

It doesn’t just involve the Saudis. America’s air defense, for example, were seemingly disarmed minutes before the attack occurred. Moreover, intelligence agents from Israel were reportedly spotted in New York on the day of, arrested by NYPD, and then released under suspicious circumstances.

All of this is highly suspect, especially that a mainstream news source like the New York Post would start releasing these details to the general public. As with 9/11, most people couldn’t make sense of it or why. A decade on we have a better perspective because we’ve seen the implementation of initiatives all across America as a result of what happened that day.

Call it a conspiracy, call it whatever you like, but look around.

If they lied – yes, lied – about the assassination of a President of the United States, or about Benghazi, or Fast and Furious, or the benefits of new health care laws, then what else are they hiding from us?

How much do you trust your government?

How much do you trust the official narrative peddled by the establishment?

How much do you trust that the powers that be have our best interests at heart?

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    1. Anonymous

      Reserving judgment until I see the censored part of the report.

      • Unreconstructed Southron

        That’s their hope.

        • Gunner

          Our whole government should be fricken’ redacted.

          • Shooter

            So true and they all have be bought and paid for so they won’t do a thing about it. We have been taken over by the highest bidder.

            • Gods Creation

              It was sponsored by the Saudi’s, but was not possible without the blessing of the US corp.

              They MUST keep it hidden because it is obvious that for the Saudi’s to pull it off the corps assistance was required.

              If the Saudis are guilty, so is the corp that protects them. 1+1=2.

              Nothing new really. We knew it all along and there was already ample proof and evidence of the facts. The corp will still deny it and push it’s “official” story, and the sheep will continue to believe it.

              • Gold Leader

                It’s only a matter of time until the entire story comes down in a heap of flames. It may be a while, but it’s coming. This is only the next domino to fall. The whole official story is bullshit, those involved are all bullshit. The masses ARE waking up, however slowly, to the FACT that we’ve been duped about everything from 9/11 to the soon-to-be-destroyed economy. Stay on target….stay on target….

                Gold Leader standing by.

                • The Parkman

                  You want to find out the real story of 9-11? Depose, under extreme duress, the entire board of the Carlyle Group.

                • CalDre

                  Yes, and the ueber-zionist NYPost is trying to pin the tail on Saudi Arabia, while ignoring the numerous Israeli links. Israel is so protected they weren’t even considered by the 9/11 commission – just like “demolition” wasn’t even considered by NIST (they played with their fairy-tail model for two years until they found some way the buildings would conceivably collapse as they did without use of demolition explosives).

                • Peter Radon

                  Gold Leader, you are right – there were no hijackers – 7 of the supposed 19 showed up alive. They were mere window dressing. The planes were remote controlled. Those idiots, who took a few flying lessons couldn’t fly a crop-duster. Peter

              • Anonymous

                G Creation,

                Who is we? You certainly aren’t speaking for everyone are you?

                • Gods Creation

                  We is a generic term referring to those who are awake and on this board, those who are likely to read the comment.

                  I would think there is not a soul with the sense to prep that believes the official story lies.

                  If you are not one of the we, the comment was not meant for you. You can continue to believe the “official” story.

              • JustMe

                When all of their previous lies have failed, they try yet again…

                • Neil

                  Absolutely correct.

                • bharford

                  The President of Italy stated plainly that ISRAEL was behind 911…but Slavo writes this hit piece disinfo garbage condemning Saudi?
                  Im not surprised…

              • Cede

                Oh, so now we’re blaming the Saudis and claiming a couple of Israelis helped them out. Master Stroke!!!! Shifting the blame to hide the facts, yet again. Dirty foreigners from third world countries did it. Brilliant!! I’d like to know though, how the Saudis got hold of the Tomahawk cruise missile that left a small hole in the Pentagon. Wonder who gave it to them and what ship or plane it was lunched from?
                I guess we’re gearing up to invade Saudi Arabia so we can steal more oil and assets!!! From yet another country. Yawn.
                If anyone wants to red thumb me, please do so, especially if you still believe in the official story or you believe in the Osama Bin Laden myth. Should be a good gauge to see how many idiots are still sleeping.

              • Ron

                Israel not the Saudis. Wake up.

                • Heather

                  Israel had nothing to do with it!!! Turn your back on Israel and God will turn his back on you!

                • Stephan Kovacs

                  Yes lets blame everything on Israel, even though we are one of Israel’s only friends. What knuckleheads think of this shit?

                  I have an idea lets just blow up Eastern Jerusalem (the Arab Section), and blame it on Israel. Then we can go to the aid of the Palestinian people, and start an alliance with the Middle East especally Iran. We can then give Iran the green light to launch a few nukes at Tel Aviv. Oh it gets better. With Israel out of the picture we can make friends with all the Arab countries. As a result gas will go back down to $1.00 a gallon.

                  What I want to know is why Israel has a bad reputation. Yes they killed some innocent Palestinians, only after Israel is savagely attacked first. For example, bus and nightclub bombings. Plus don’t give me that shit about stealing the Palestinians land. That was England’s fault after WWII. The Israeli’s should be occupying Germany, and not the Middle East.

              • bharford

                No mention of Israel in any of this garbage piece of journalism?

                All this despite the fact that 150 Mossad Agents were arrested on 911, including a Van containing explosives on the GW bridge, multiple Israelis caught celebrating and filming the FIRST Plane hit…?

                What a Joke.
                911 was a J E W job.

                • mark

                  To Heather- you are refering to the scripture that states whoever blesses ( true) Israel will be blessed by God and those curseing Israel would be cursed by God.We have been blessing that bastard state since 1947, has our country risen or fallen since then? I believe the USA has been subject to the 2nd part of that scripture not the first. I believe we are being cursed for “blessing” Gods Enemies the Israelies who are poseing as true Israel but are of the synagog of Satan (Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9). Jesus told the people we refer to as jews that they were the children of their father satan ( John 8:44 ).

                • Stephan Kovacs

                  The Jews attacked NYC is bullshit. Show me proof to back up your accusations. Saying Jews attacked the trade centers is like saying the Canadians bombed London a while back. STOP BEING RACIST

              • toscaq

                911 then 311, both attacks on America one by way of Japan.. Our public officals are fully in the loop and part of The Plan. Here is an example of our upcoming One World Government leaders re: the biggest crisis in modern history. Such unconcern for the environment- yet they harp endlessly on the “global warming” fraud.
                Current Pres of UNSC & French Ambassador to the UN at press conference in NY. Dont think the poisoning of the planet is an accident–
                see @ 55:30.

                • Do Dunk

                  Interesting reaction by the French Ambassador.

              • Peter Radon

                Saudis had nothing to do with it – it was a Zionist operation, through and through

              • Peter Radon

                Saudis had nothing to do with 9/11 – it was a totally Zionist action, meant to benefit Israel.

              • Chancery

                most likely the other way around, America (or a few people in america) needed saudi arabia to help them. It would be much easier to get a saudi to kill US citizens than to get Americans to do it. Saudis did it for the money. America did it for the money and the takeover of the middle east.

              • Diana

                GW and HG Bush were very good friends with the Saudis. Why would the Saudis do this to their good friends, unless they thought they were helping them in some way? GW wanted an excuse for attacking Iraq.

            • C. Gonzo

              Hey Shooter, congress isn’t exactly bought and paid for – their game is Extoriion – read ‘EXTORTION How Politicians Extract Your Money, Buy Votes, And Line Their Own Pockets’ by Peter Schweizer – those in congress are sleazier than you think. On the other front, the 911 terrorist (aka US government) attacks ‘WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO?’ by Judy Wood give proof positive that the towers were brought down by a scalar weapon. Who would have the means to use such a weapon? Only the government with it’s endless supply of ‘out-of-thin-air’ money.

          • Walt Kowalski

            I’d suggest redacting them by giving them long drops at the end of short ropes.

            • durango kidd

              I would bet real money that the Mossad had a hand in this operation; especially since court documents show that a Mossad operative purchased the WTC and placed a $4 billion insurance policy on the property, while buying it for $3 billion with $100 million down, less than 90 days before.

              This individual admitted in court that Building 7 was wired for demolition. Israel had the most to gain from this act of war, although the Saudis, gained from the disposal of Saddam, without doing it themselves. Iraq has now been divided into three parts.

              History will show that these two agencies and some rogue element of our own government were involved. Can you say, “New World Order”?

              Engage your employees or be False Flagged by them, one lie at a time. 🙂

              • durango kidd

                BTW, this greedy bastard was only exposed after he tried to collect on the insurance more than once! There is a reason for historical stereotypes, my peeps. LMAO! 🙂

              • Hunter

                Excellent analysis DK!

                I hadn’t zeroed in on the money side that much.
                Thanks for the info and thumbs up to ya!

                • durango kidd

                  Hunter: There are three prime movers in the affairs of men by men: money, power, and sex.

                  Go with money first as it buys the other two; even if its just fiat! 🙂

              • Tactical

                DK: Amen to you as a fellow American who is well aware of the tribal crimes. I wish I could give you 1000 thumbs up. Thank You.

              • yourmotherwaswrong

                the durango kidd says:

                “I would bet real money that the Mossad had a hand in this operation.”


                To your mind DK, just what is “real money?”

                Paper backed by NOTHING except threats of violence?

                LOL… “real money”… wink, wink.

                Oh… ok.

                BTW… I thought you and the Mossad/Israel were kissin cousins?

                What happened?

                • durango kidd

                  Yo Mama; Glad to see you are still breathing. I was missing you (kiss)! Hey WE are all still waiting for you to describe your “marketplace approach” to currency and a system to substitute for the mechanisms of the FED.

                  Com’on brainiac! WE are all holding OUR collective breath for your vision!!! Be sure to explain to US how stable your system would be, how it would encourage investment, sustain global commerce and create jobs in America!!! LMAO! 🙂

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  @the durango kidd

                  It would be very easy to END THE FED.

                  Congress could write the following bill, and the President could sign it.

                  1. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and all subsequent amendments to that Act are revoked.

                  2. The gold that belongs to the United States government, and which is kept on deposit with the Federal Reserve System, is hereby transferred to account of the United States Treasury.

                  If the FED has made any secret agreements with other central banks regarding the ownership of that gold, those arrangements would become legally null and void. The FED would own no gold of its own to deliver. Ownership would revert to the United States government.

                  Is that clear enough for you DK?

                  The Fascist central banking system which you support MUST come to an END.

                  You call yourself a patriot, but yet support a system of control and evil (Central Banking). A system that if left unchallenged, will most likely lead to the extinction of mankind.

                  Q: How can you reconcile a Central Bank with freedom?

                  “Com’on brainiac! WE are all holding OUR collective breath for your vision!!!”

                  A: You can’t!

                • durango kidd

                  Yo Mama: According to testimony before Congress, Bernanke stated that the FED does not own any gold. The gold is owned by the US Government.

                  Yes, the FED can be “redacted” but the services that it supplies as a clearing house and monitor of the money supply must still be managed by some one, some agency, even if its the US Treasury.

                  So again I ask, how do WE eliminate the mechanisms and systems of the FED? How does eliminating the FED solve the problem of the value of OUR currency and the transfer of American wealth to the Third World under “Free Trade”?

                  If you are suggesting that a gold back dollar would magically solve OUR economic and monetary problems, you would be WRONG again! LMAO!

                  As long as FREE TRADE (the managed trade of NAFTA, GATT, WTO and TTP) is the law of the land, the American economy, its currency, and its wealth will decline to the detriment of its citizens.

                  Try again, because you still haven’t provided a reasonable answer to the necessary mechanisms and services of the FED. Please explain your “market currency” and how that would be a panacea for OUR problems! 🙂

              • Walt Kowalski

                No offense intended here DK….but do you now see why I say that voting isn’t going to make a lick of difference? These people have rigged the game.

                The only thing that can turn this thing around is to expose these traitors and then deal with them with extreme prejudice.

                • durango kidd

                  Walt: Under the present two party, NWO system,voting doesn’t make much difference, but I suspect that had either McLame, or Mitt had been elected, things would be different. Maybe not much better, but not this bad.

                  Even Romney Care in Massachusetts worked for Massachusetts.

                  The system must be changed. It cannot be changed from within. It must be changed at the grass roots level with American Patriots taking control of their local governments and then moving up the chain, backed by 100 million American gun owners.

                  Infiltrate the Tea party and take over the Retards. That’s a viable strategy. Engage! 🙂

              • Tucker

                Another disinformation piece of garbage designed to try again to shift the finger of blame away from the Israelis and their 5th column of treasonous, mentally insane neo-con psychopaths who were the primary architects behind the false flag attack on America on September 11, 2001.

                The author of this piece of crap needs to sit down and watch the Mike Delaney documentary 9-11 Missing Links.

                Israel did it. Just like they did the Lavan Affair, the King David Hotel Bombing, the attack and attempt to sink the USS Liberty and murder its entire crew and then pin it on Egypt in order to trick the USA into getting involved in their 1967 war with Egypt. Oh, and do we all remember that ‘Middle Eastern’ connection that was briefly exposed in the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing but quickly dropped and then the whole thing was pinned on McVeigh and how eager the government was to execute him? That was also Israeli engineered, and was probably intended to try to do what they eventually succeeded in doing after the false flag attack on 9-11 – namely, manipulate the USA and its gullible and easily snookered population of couch potatoes into starting wars against all of the enemies of the criminal state of Israel.

                Mac Slavo has just exposed himself as a disinfo agent.

                • Israhell

                  Couldn’t have put it better myself. Anyone who says Israhell is NOT responsible is either an idiot or a dis-info agent.

                • braveheart

                  Mac Slavo is NOT a disinformation agent, so go somewhere else with that Nazi lie and go f#$% yourself!

                • IMNAHA

                  I be 97 % in agreement with your comment. The only disagreement is that I don’t know who had / has the Directed Energy Weapon Technology that actually dustified the WTC. Common Sense would say the U.S.CorpGov but the ZIOs are so far up our keister it could have been a shared operation…

                • Justsomeguy151

                  People keep blaming Israel as if all Israelis or Jews are behind these criminal schemes. Its the zionists, Rothschilds and their ilk (who also control the Israeli as well as the US govts), not Israel the people. Is the US govt the American people? Of course not. The Banksters control both Israel’s and the US govt’s and CIA/Mossad. Americans are led to believe that they have a say in govt but if that were true, the real criminals (Bush jr, Cheney and the whole cartel and their accomplices) would have swung from a rope for 911 and the Patriot Act. Obumma stole the election by claiming to be the opposite of Bush jr bt fr all intents and purposes, they may as well be twins. Don’t lose sight of the TRUE enemy, the Banksters(Rothschilds/Rockefellers/Morgans/Federal Reserve/Bank of London/Vatican), and their catspaws the US and Israeli govts.

                • JerryS

                  I keep telling people these so-called patriot websites are just disinformation outlets. Alex Jones first and foremost among them. Wild Bill is another. The easy way to tell which one IS NOT a disinformation site: Do they tell the truth about Israhell, the Zionists, etc. If they don’t, they are disinformation sites. They are easily recognizable by constantly fanning the flames of hatred between Americans and the Muslim world. Most Muslims are smart enough to distinguish between America’s GOVT and the general populace. I wish I could say the same of my fellow Americans. Look at Syrian Girl on u tube. Y’all could learn a few things from here. And by “y’all,” I mean the brainwashed sheeple who think the country that attacked the USS Liberty in 1967 is “our staunch ally,” What a crock.

                • Stephan Kovacs

                  I guess I’m an idiot. Sure Israel did it, because we helped save them from extinction from the Germans. They also hate the Billions of dollars we give them a year for defense. Israeli’s also hates our tourism dollars. Without the United States Israel would be defeated by it’s Middle Eastern neighbors.

                  Answer this for me smart ass. Do you think the Jews enjoyed being displaced out of there homes in Europe after the war? Do you think my people like the fucking sand?

              • shotgunfetus

                Wasn’t that lease holder of building 7 interviewed and I remember him saying ” we decided to pull it” which means demo it , so it was previously wired for demo which takes a while , right?

            • anon

              The only thing Flag poles are any good for is making politicians dance the hemp fandango from!

          • john

            and don’t forget, the saudi goverment are a bunch of zionists, why do you think saudis and isreal are friends today

            • ENFP

              Don’t think it is correct to call Saudis zionists. The ones behind the whole thing, our government, the Mossad and basically the ones pulling all the strings are those behind the New World Order, probably the Bilderberg group. Many are Jews but that doesn’t mean they intend for Israel to take over the world. They intend to take over the world. The nation of Israel, communism and now even Islam are only steps along that road.

              • Stephan Kovacs

                The Israeli’s just want to be left alone, and live life in peace.

              • Stephan Kovacs

                The Israeli’s just want to be left alone, and live life in peace.

          • Jules

            You got that right Gunner!!!!!!

        • jameyinct

          Really. Even though this piece is trying to distract again peoople from the real culprit which was the American government, maybe with the help of the Saudis. You have to know to was an inside job. If you don’t you are a moron. Plain and simple. The fact that you need to wait for things that’s are blacked out by Bush is crazy. Why do you think they were redacted. Let’s guess. You think it’s for national security.Please respond and defend yourself.

          • Diana

            GW and the Saudi King were buddies. If they staged this, then GW knew about it!

      • Government Guy

        If true true it completely discredits anyone who claimed 911 was an inside job.

        • shiftless

          Wrong. If anything it makes the “inside job” theory even stronger. Do you think the Saudis acted alone? If they did, then why would our government help cover it up?

          • Gold Leader

            I guess that’s why they call you “Government Guy”. Fitting. Wake the hell up.

            Gold Leader standing by.

            • Peterson

              Robot Chicken standing by.

              • braveheart

                Oh, it’s you again.

        • c

          Not at all. The US government seemed to know things as, or before they happened. The Saudi government were suspected all along as being part of the operation.

          What exactly happened may never be known but it was not just some guys that took some planes.

        • braveheart

          GG, there’s no question 911 was an inside job. anyone who accepts the govt.’s official version without question is one of the biggest damned fools around.

          • Tucker

            Remember how Bush and Cheney, when asked to drop over and give their statements about 9-11 – that the arrogant bastards sent back word that they would only agree to do so if 3 requirements were met?

            1. They would be interviewed together and not separately.
            2. They would not be required to be under oath.
            3. No audio or video recordings of their testimony would be allowed.

            So, hey, boys and girls. How many cop shows have we all watched on TV for the last 30 or so years? A couple thousand, right? Well, what is the first thing the cops do when they haul in a bunch of suspects off the street when they are investigating a crime?

            They put them in separate interrogation rooms and question them individually and then they compare the answers each of the suspects give with the answers that the other suspects gave, right? To see if their stories match. They look for inconsistencies and try to determine who is telling the truth and who is lying, right?

            Oh, and by avoiding being placed under oath – even a moron ought to be able to grasp that this was an attempt to avoid a future perjury charge, just in case one of these criminal bastards said something that was later determined to be false.

            So, while it is clear that the Israelis were complicit in 9-11, it is also clear as day that they had the cooperation and blessing and approval of the highest ranking turds in the Bush Administration.

            Time for a new investigation. And, let’s get started early, building the gallows that will be used to hang every last one of these treasonous SOBs.

        • Cdn Patriot

          How do you figure? Guess who the Saudi Government would have worked with to accomplish the deed? Your name says a lot. You gave a great government guy response.

          • Ranger

            Right on, Cdn Patriot. Makes me wonder if some people who still have the blinders on, like Gov’t Guy, even realize what’s going on at all. Clearly they haven’t shed their shackles yet. God help ’em. Take care. Like Gold Ldr said: “Government Guy. Fitting.” We ain’t shocked either.

            • jerrytbg

              Hey Guys,

              The only real narrative to grasp here on “who done it”.

              Try, “All of the above”.

              How many families run the world?

          • Them Guys

            TUCKER: I agree what you said of OK Buildg and McVeigh events…I Recall several articles not long after Patriot act #1 was signed as law etc….Those articles basically proved that Klinton when Prez Already Had the orig patriot act Bill copy ON His Oval Office Desk waiting for the “Proper” event/timing to spring it upon dumbed down sheep americans…The articles I recall also stated that not much of anything was changed when patriot act was finally passed with Bush jr. Main changes from Klintons version was that klintons had a clause to Ban 2nd amendt and force a gun turn in within 10 days of passage into law etc…That part got removed by the bush team or whoever…

            Its so damn Obvious…1st they did WACO with every major MSM PRE Trained on what to report, and blame proguners, white Males etc etc….BUT Waco just wasn’t “Big” enough….SO…Next try #2= OK buildg and McVeigh….That was way Bigger event…But…Not..Quite enough…SO…Try again, same as Bolshevik jewdeo communists in 1918 Russia…#3rd try was a grand success! IE:#3= 9/11 events.

            Thats main reason No us reps or senators needed to first Read that 4000 page Patriot act crap…Because most all have been In office since klintons terms and already KNEW what was included in those 4000 pages of patriot act ever since 1993 or earlier!

            With State of Israel, AIPAC-ADL-SPLC-AJC-+300 More like orgs assisting in the writing of, Bribes paid off, Threats of elections loss, and of course Massive Threats to get the tribe owned MSM TV and Jewspapers nationwide to create huge headlines accusing naysayers of Racisim, and antisemitisim unless they all Pass patriot act crap to Offically create the New SOVIET of AmeriKa USSA corp.

      • Smokey

        Same here, but I’ve maintained for 20 years we should occupy the Saudi oilfields, pipeline corridors, and the port. Take their oil and starve the bastards. The western world has given them trillions of dollars for their oil, and their culture has not progressed into the modern age.

        • Walt Kowalski

          I’ve always maintained that developing the middle-east oil fields was a colossal mistake.

          We’ve given money and technology to a bunch of goat-herders with a 7th century mentality…..The equivalent of giving whiskey and car keys to teen-aged boys.

      • JayJay

        Be sure to go to bottom of page, Dec. 15…8:26 and check out the backpacks.
        Yeah, our own again did this too. Then ran!!!

      • RICH99

        You can’t think critically for yourself I guess … need the lamestreet media to tell you what to think !!
        Just the fact that 3 ….3…..3 fucking buildings ALL fell in SIMILIAR FREE FALL FASHION …..what more do you need ??????

      • Ted Kennedy

        My kitchen stove didn’t collapse when I turned on the self cleaning knob.

        • Ranger

          Neither did my BBQ! Must be a magic BBQ.

      • mnk

        If you were hit in the head with a shovel, you wouldnt wait for the coroners report .. would you?

      • Anonymous

        This is another rabit hole….can’t anyone see that this is just a red herring perpetuated by the same agents who were responsible for the 911 events. Stop biting at the carrots they keep hanging out in fron of your noses. The goal of all of this is to drag America (not the US) into a war of all wars. It is the dragons last ditch attempt to destroy the remainder of “her” seed. How long must we sacrifice our sons and daughters to idols? This is a spiritual war folks. Get a grip.

      • PJ

        Alex Jones doesn’t even acknowledge the “dancing Israelis” so quoting his site doesn’t help the credibility of this article.

      • Manatowoc

        keep saying it and it will in time become what really happened. But, it is not what really happened and it is not the last of this countries political travail.
        I am surprised this article is supported by Jeff

      • June

        Some fools still believe the conspiracy theory that 19 Arab terrorist single-handedly hijacked these planes and then steered them into the buildings?

      • Human as YOU

        Really?? what does it take to awaken people?? Building 7 fell and no plane hit it, the Pentagon has a round hole in it… no sign of the wings, flight 93s tail was a few miles from where the plane crashed… are people in USA sedated?? oh I forgot… they are! gezzzzz

      • Clearview

        It’s similair to Hitler’s attack burning Reichstag, Berlin.. 🙁

      • Ajeocci

        It is pretty obvious, from all the information available, that the destruction of the Twin Towers was an inside job. The Saudis may have had some part in it since the so-called “Royal Family” and the Bush family are practically joined at the hip, but the main perpetrators appear to be the ruling elite. Also, there is little to no evidence that a plane actually crashed in Pennsylvania. As investigations dig deeper into the 9-11 “Attacks”, the more the “official” versions begin to collapse. There is so much information out there, and in spite of different points of view, major facts coincide, and the stories in the Lame Stream Media look totally false. The documentary DVD’s, “Loose Change”, and Loose Change II”, are excellent sources, and uncover many details that probably not even the perpetrators of the event thought about.

      • JerryS

        Everyone knows it was the Jews, including EVERYONE in the Arab/Muslim World, and Europe (as evidenced by PUBLIC statements by members of the Italian Govt).
        For an eye opener, do an internet search and see how many of these “terrorist” incidents were accompanied by drills. Here’s a short list: Sandy Hook. Aurora. Oklahoma City Murrah Fed Bldg, 777 tube bombing in London. 9/11. Waco. Fertilizer plant fire in West, Texas, and about 50 more.
        The terrorists are the jews both in Israhell and the US GOVT, and the criminal Bush Family and Cheney and Schumer and Feinstein and Bloomberg and Rahm Emanuel, etc, etc, etc

      • John

        Try Dr. J. Wood’s book “Where Did the Towers Go” to get the little know facts which make the whole picture crystal clear. For example, do you remember Hurricane Erin on 911? You know the one right off the coast of NYC which the corporate media totally ignored leading up to 911. Why would they do that?

    2. KY Mom

      I doubt we will ever know the full truth about 9/11.

      The governemnt don’t want us to.

      • admin

        Agreed — we’ll never know the full extent of the conspiracy. I am sure thousands of pages of documents and video evidence (like the 70+ cameras from around the Pentago) have been disappeared.

        Video of interest not included in the main article: BBC reports WTF Building 7 Collapses, but it’s still standing:

        (Watch at Youtube)

        Just sayin…

        • Heirloominati

          Edited :
          LOTS of rope.
          MANY trees.

        • c

          If this one video does not cause viewers to question the official story then nothing will.

        • The Old Coach

          Never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

          I think that comes from Napoleon, but it could as well have been some Sumarian.

          Certainly our security agencies cannot be accused of a surfeit of competence over the last few administrations.

          • Tactical

            incompetence doesn’t apply when multiple security agencies working together to accomplish a task.

          • SirGalahad

            Incompetence didn’t cause those buildings to collapse and turn to dust

        • SoapDish

          Hey Mac,

          How very true! I would also like to see the video footage of the 5 black vans seen at the same time every day two weeks prior to 9/11. They keep going into the parking garage under the towers early in the morning and then leave early enough before office workers showed up. All of those video tapes gone.

          Saudi Arabia has never been an ally of the United States, right along with a lot of those other Arab countries.
          When it all comes down to it, the American people will be standing alone in the fight that is coming.

          B aware, B Awake, B Alive

          • Diana

            And yet, Saudi Arabia help GW get elected. They convinced Muslims in the U.S. to vote for him. The Saudi King and GW, as well as his Daddy, were best buds.

      • KY Mom

        Oops. That should be

        The government doesn’t want us to know.

        • D in Idaho

          Hey, you’re from Kentucky, so it’s all good!

        • YH

          KY Mom,

          In the period leading up to 9/11 not one but two flight schools, one in Arizona the other in Florida, contacted the FBI with concerns about Muslim flight students who were taking flying lessons but they were not interested in learning how to land. The queries went nowhere and there was no follow up from the FBI according to the flight schools.

          If the FBI either cannot or will not connect two glaringly obvious dots such as these, there is no way they can protect us or themselves from future coordinated attacks.

          It’s not a matter of if but when there is another attack on U.S. soil.

          • nopittypartyhere

            @ anyone not familiar, read james bamford shadow factory. He lays out all the dots, and the obstructionists who didn’t connect them for multitude of ‘reasons’

            • YH

              We still do not know who the passengers were on those charted flights that flew around the U.S. picking up Saudi nationals AFTER the national airspace system was shut down to all except military flights following the attacks. The charted flights flew the Saudi passengers out of the country to unknown destinations. The FAA will not divulge the passenger manifests or flight plans to this day.

      • Pissed Off Granny

        KY Mom:

        I want to first thank you for all your informative posts and links you put on shtf.

        I know you are always looking for info on the internet. I can tell you there is a monsterous amount of info about 9/11.

        In a post further down on this page .02 tells you exactly what happened on 9/11.

        9/11 was perpetrated on the American people to drag us into war in the Middle East and also to set up the evil Patriot Act; the one that allows our government lawless control over every Americans life. Isn’t it amazing that they would name a law “The Patriot Act”, the act that plans to destroy every patriot in America. TPTB must be laughing at how stupid Americans really are.

        This article is to continue to stir up our hatred of the people in the Middle East; at some point TPTB wants to use our American kids as gun fodder in the war to finish off their NWO scheme to own the world.

        In every war that America has entered into the MSM helped brainwash Americans until we were ready and drooling to go to war for TPTB’s trumped up “just cause”.


        • John Q. Public

          Bullseye, Granny, bullseye!

          Lots of sharpshooters are on target today!

          Key fact about this particular “revelation of the method”: “This article is to continue to stir up our hatred of the people in the Middle East; at some point TPTB wants to use our American kids as gun fodder in the war to finish off their NWO scheme to own the world.”

          Nuremberg 2

          Prosecute the guilty. Leave the innocent alone.

        • The Old Coach

          I have no problem at all hating certain people in the Middle East, since they hate me, and would happily slit my throat with a dull hacksaw as a matter of religious belief.

          • Tactical

            OC, You are a prime example of useful idiots.

          • John Q. Public

            Yes indeed, Old Coach, they will do that when they reign supreme.

            Here’s one of many references to their genocidal teaching about beheading Christians for “idolatry” ( avodah zarah) of Jesus Christ. Scroll down to the Commentary on Halacha 1:

            “… a gentile who worships false gods is liable, [for the death penalty] provided he worships them in the accepted manner. A gentile is executed for every type of foreign worship which a Jewish court would consider worthy of capital punishment.” Maimonides, Hilchot Melachim XI, Mishneh Torah

            “The Christians are idolaters, and Sunday is their holiday…”
            Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Avodah Zorah, 9;4

            “The Christians are worshipers of Avodah Zorah (“idolatry”)”
            Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Ma’akhalot Assurot, 11:7

            The online Jewish Encyclopedia previously affirmed that the proper punishment of Christians is beheading. That statement has been removed since I last checked it a year ago.

            Maybe this time you can get it right. They want to kill US, NOT vice versa.

            • Ploni Almoni

              I’m Jewish and I don’t want to kill any Christians and resent the implication by this bigot. I suspect “JQ Public” is a Nazi. Contemporary Christians, who are monotheists (believers that there is only One God) are not idolaters. Those who worship stones (eg Baal) or their own egos and believe stone idols are God or they have such big egos that they worship themselves are committing a sin of idolatry. Perhaps this applied to some hybrid pagan/Christians over 800 hundred years ago, when Maimonides lived. Most American Christians live in complete harmony with the 7 Noahide laws for non Jews, which provide a universal moral code. Educate yourself/judge for yourself. Research the 7 Noahide laws. Below is a good description.

              • Tactical

                Ohhhh……First a typical Nazi label to use for the truth tellers and now advising non jews to use the Jewish universal moral code? Jewish Moral code????? Is this the same as what Bernie Madoff and many others like him are believing and following? Or is it the same as working with Saudis to hire sub humans from their neighboring tribes to behead Christian / Muslims kids and women in Syria?

              • Only Truth

                Whatever “resentment” you have, the rabbis teach genocide and a Master Race creed.

                If you don’t like that, resent them and repudiate them, the ones who teach it and the Zionists who do follow it with their genocide and economic crimes against the goyim.

                STOP LYING. Christians who worship Jesus Christ as True God and True Man most definitely are avodah zarah ( “idolaters”) so are liable under the phony “Noachide” halacha for death by beheading.

                Notice that the Chabad link (follows because of “moderation” to the rule is MODERN, not some forgotten vestige. Read the Israeli press and you will see that the rabbis’ exhortation and their Zionist followers’ genocide is most definitely CURRENT EVENTS.

              • Only Truth

                Your link to the Chabad deception is quite telling. To deceive the Gentiles, the rabbis will often claim (as Steven Spielberg also lied in his Schindler movie) that the Oral Torah teaches “Every human being is an entire world. To save a life is to save that entire world,” but that is a lie. What you linked is a highly sanitized version of the actual “Noachide Laws.” Here is one excellent example of how the rabbis are lying.

                The Oral Torah actually teaches that only a Jew’s life is so valuable. The Tractate actually reads:

                Sanhedrin 37a (Soncino translation)

                Google it and see for yourself who is lying.

                Incidentally most of my posts are being spiked by “moderation.”

              • Them Guys

                You Just PROVED that YOU JEWS believe You are supperior to us Goyims as Your tribe calls all of us non jews…

                WHY are jews exempt from those 7 law?…You Phony Self chozen self worshipping fools are actually KHAZARS that converted to Talmudic belifs ONLY since 750-AD era…THEN afterwards began to call yourselves “jews” and “jewish”.

                Disclaimer: In reality there are NO and Never were ANY such thing as 7 noahide laws. They exist Only in Talmudic judaic minds as the “laws” Their tribes desries to Impose upon Unsuspecting gentiles worldwide as the main leagle system for Their NWO-aka-Jwo.

                A Better term would be the “ANTICHRIST LAW” system for complete Jwo control in a NWO with their spiritual Father Satan at the helm…Not on Our watch!

                YOUR Own Jew almanacs and encyclopedias all Admit modern day “jews” are NOT in any way related by blood or otherwise to original 12 tribed israelites.

                I and several Others here has many times Posted the exact quoted references that supplied such infos. Supplied BY jewish cources, ABOUT, the Fraud called “jews”.

                Just a few articles Back I Again Re posted the full latest DNA revelations that are FROM a Jewish scientist, and who’s DNA-Proof of Khazar race/peoples etc was Published After being Peer reviewed by Hebrew univ IN Israel, and finally Published By Prestigious John Hopkins Hosp into a medical Journal type report.

                DNA that Proves at Least 98%+ of todays “jewish” folks are really decended From Khazars of the kingdom of khazaria which later became Russia.

                Your Chabad’s and Talmud are what Jesus called “The Synagouge of Satan”…And are decendant from Cain, whos father was Satan. JOHN 8:44 for Reference.

                Sorry but many more folks are wakeing up, and your tribes constant crys of antisemite, or jew haters, or wild falacious 6 million claims have as JQP stated…Lost It’s MOJO!…Once fully awake and jew/khazar wised up….Folks are no longer falling for claims as such from the, Only Victims that ever matter, in their tribal minds anyways.

                Not only Christians who Know real truth, but americans And europeans from every walk of life have gotten Royally Fed Up with Your tribes constant satanic devices of Nation Wreckings in Every nation idiotic enough to Host such nation wreckers….So Forget appealing to folks sympathies here or calling Good Honest poster folks here a nazi etc…That Mojo has Sunk deeply. We are too smart to be fooled again once awake.

                If You believe 13 million wordlwide jews are always totally innocents and its just the Rest of 7 billion folks that are All evil nazis…Perhaps You need to awaken eh. Your tribe aint got Booted from 109 nations a grand total of aprox 250 times, for being innocent victims. Factual History don’t lie…Talmudics Do! as Taught BY their rabbis and Talmud.

                The tribes biggest mistake was to attempt doing to america what they did to Russia et al in 1918..Its gonna Backfire Big time on all of their satanic tlmudic desires.

                • NOT them guys

                  Incoherent rantings of a weak mind. You very obviously know nothing about Judaism. Your twisted soul is corrupted by your hatred. Pity to be ruled so by your emotions.

                • RODDY


              • Vincent

                The most serious error made by certain circles in the Christian world that feel sympathy for Zionism is thinking that this ideology is based on a religious foundation. But atheist Zionism was a completely irreligious ideology in the minds of its founders and it continues to be so today in the ideas it promotes. It took over the racism of the Talmud and the “changing of history” project from the Kabala and reinterpreted them, again in an irreligious way, for their purposes.

                The identity of the founders of this movement is very enlightening in this regard. First of all, it is known that the founder of political Zionism, Theodore Herzl, did not have a religious consciousness. And the leader of the movement after Herzl, Max Nordau, openly proclaimed that he was an atheist. The basic intention of the founders of the ideology and those that followed them was to protect the purity of the Jewish race. Max Nordau responded to the criticism that Zionism (atheist Zionism) was not a religion but a racist ideology by saying that he was of the same view as his critics.1

                Indeed, the ideas that influenced founders of atheist Zionism like Herzl and Nordau and the generations that followed them were from 19th century European anti-religious ideology. One of the clearest examples of this is Zeev Jabotinsky, known as the founder of right-wing atheist Zionism . He admired Hitler and Mussolini and wanted to establish a Jewish version of the racist ideology of these fascist dictators. Lenni Brenner, an expert on the history of Zionism, writes of Jabotinsky :

                It is easy to see the sources of Jabotinsky’s racism. The bourgeois world of the early 20th Century was inundated by social-Darwinist theories of natural biological conflicts between races, and these ideas soon took root among the early Zionists.

            • Not them guys

              You prove your ignorance of Judaism by posting rabbinical commentary, written by a rabbi who lived in the 12th century. Commentary is obviously not law. Why don’t you look up the actual law? There are 613 mitzvot.

              • Soulja

                Oh My God, you so called ”jews” do not believe in God, and got everything you asked for, he split the fucking sea for you, he gave you a lamb of gold, he gave you a place to be, he freed your people, and yet you chose to say ”no we don’t believe in god” but you jews chose to believe in Satan and his ways, in approximately 750 AD. After figuring out that the new world would not accept people who oppose god, does not believe in god, and being the reason of prophets being dead. 😉 Throughout the history jews were always the traitors and snitches when it came to religion, destroy and kill prophets and their words of God.
                Why do you think that GOD condemned the jews?
                And the rest of the world did not wan’t anything to do with ”jews”?
                And Beheading anyone for thinking Jesus is the god, or gods son is so wrong, though it does not make people who believe that Jesus actually is god, or his son, better either, in this point the jews have right, but still not a reason to kill anyone nor keep them captive, Jesus is not god, nor is he gods son, Jesus is a man that was chosen by god, to be the one to deliver gods message to humans, living in a chaotic world that needed to be changed if we humans wanted to find real peace and harmony.
                Jews are not believers in God, but the opposite, why should they throughout history try to stop the evolution, and spreading of ”God”?
                And now they try to Eliminate the Muslims, with Americas help, that’s the easiest way, since Islam is the Religion spreading fastest, and most, since the beginning of 1 God Religions beginning, Since the Majority of the Christians do not believe in god anymore. make the world fight so they have the world as Satan promised them if they did their job good


                Israeli people will never have enough with what they have, proof is also the Israel Palestine war, since Palestine was grounded in 1947, they keep taking more and more land from the Palestinian people, they have taken over America too, they are making them fight the whole world, killing people, and eliminating the leaders of other countries who could be dangerous for Israel, not America, and their people, and they also kill American men, by sending them to die in wars, decreasing the American population bit by bit, so they can take over America by ease when they all are sent off to war, dying for their country, the country they have lost to Zionist and being manipulated by, actually America has lost their country long ago.

                Do you remember that back through ancient history, and to recent history mysterious black caped people wandered the world, performing mysterious rituals, thought to be black magic, and calling forth the Satan or Demons?

                Now if u think about it, wasn’t it jews who got condemned by God to wander the lands forever?
                Wasn’t it Jews who sold out prophets and also killed Christians and now when the majority of the Christians don’t believe in god anymore, they have turned their attention to the Muslims? Sounds kinda weird, that when the Majority of the Christians begin to actually stop believing in God, and Jesus, manipulated by Bush, to think that not even god can protect you from attacks of terrorists, I am the only one who can ”protect” you, and since they needed someone to blame, they chose not to blame a country, or specific terrorists, but the Muslims, and Islam, they could have blamed it on some fake agents, catch fake victims, make better proofs for their theory, and made a fake trial and record it, and been done with it, but the Muslims had to pay for something the ”American” government has done? What the hell is this? Why? What are they Planning next huh? 🙂

                Wake up guys, those who still are under their control, the things that the prophets of God told us, that God wanted, wasn’t it peace, and to be able to respect each other and each others differences, to be able to walk the the streets without fearing that any second an ”American” ”NATO” ”UN” Soldier could kill me, my child, my husband/wife and eliminate the whole city? as long as there is war, as long as there is hate to God, there will never be peace, the zionists will try to eliminate everything that has to do with ”God” and create a modern ”god”, and a modern ”prophet”, isn’t it astonishing that Obama wants to make a ”new world order”? He actually want’s to change the world and thinks himself that he is the new prophet and the one manipulating him is the ”god” but it is in reality Satans Prophet, he comes to eliminate every religion and create a new one, he want’s to be the ruler of the world, and make the rules of the world, so either America is trying to create it’s own history, since they don’t have any conquers nor any specific religious nor important person, nor history, since Europeans took to ”America”, killed all ”Americans” and killing each other, or they have been manipulated by the Zionists to eliminate the religions? I don’t know, but either way, it’s fucked up, and we are doomed.
                I really feel like America is planning Something, so as an European i’m afraid that my country will help them do it, knowingly or not ”NATO” and ”UN” have licked Americas Ass since the founding of them both, in fact America was always the ones to be involved directly in the founding of those organisations, makes me believe that they found it to control Europe too.

                Israel want’s to be the new ”Rome”.
                First take over America, then the rest of the world? 🙂
                Seems it’s not the end, but the beginning of a ”New World Order”
                Think about it, Rome was a little city before it became the roman empire, and took over the most of Europe, Some of Africa, and Asia.

                • Not them guys

                  Ignoramus. We were the first people in the entire world to believe in One deity. BTW, you do realize that Jesus was born a Jew, lived his life as one, and died a Jew. He never repudiated Judiasm, never rejected the Jewish people, only the corrupt members who cared more for this worlds pleasures than serving The Lord. Go back and learn the actual history, not the pretend revisionism you are so fond of. Stop spewing your vile hatred. A true Christian wouldn’t do that.

        • Anonymous


        • buttcrackofdoom

          that makes sense to ME, POG. they KNEW(even though they ALWAYS say”whocouldaknow’d) that this neverending credit expansion couln’t go on forever(because PONZI schemes CAN’T go on forever, now can they?). so they HAD to do something to scare (the) US into allowing these insideous laws and the spying and all… makes PERFECT sense and it’s genius! to bad it will be liberal against conservative, brother against sister, black against white, poor against rich, YEESH!there’s gonna be a LOT of facets to this “war of the worlds”! it just pisses me off that it didn’t have to happen. oh well, until it hits the fan, i’m partying like it’s 1941!

      • TheGuy

        Well, yeah… when your entire economy is basically dependent upon a bunch of ultra-wealthy goat herders, what are you gonna do? Call ’em out on it? See how fast you go to 4th world status when they turn off the spigots.

        Fund. Thorium. Nuclear. Research. For. Christ. Sake.

        Then I can think of something interesting you can do with all that left over Uranium you don’t need anymore. Hint: it involves goat herders…

    3. SatansHog

      The twin towers didn’t fall … what you saw on TV was just special effects and CGI.

      • Sheeple#1

        So where did they go? How did all the pieces of the buildings end up on the ground… Was it lowered?

        • SatansHog

          … mind control drugs. They towers are still standing.

          • sixpack

            I guess that’s just about as believable as the original govt dialogue on 9/11…all BS.

            • braveheart

              I see we have a new troll. Yep, it’s Monday, no question about it.

            • Them Guys

              This new report and where it originates from, NY newspapers is very likly meant to thwart folks from researching the tons, Truck loads, Train Loads, of Yutube videos, written articles, 5 dancing Isralies Own yutube video where them 5 israel citizens that came to usa Illeagly under the wire to Film 9/11 events, and in their OWN video are shown Bragging on some israel tv news show, or whatever, how the Mossad Sent them 5 here to film it collapsing.

              Then theres all the info detailing Bush jr, and Cheny ordering Stand downs of the normal usual procedures for fast Nat Gurad Fighter Jets to be airborn in moments in such an event…Plus that by sheer “Coincidence” AGAIN! They Just happened to be doing an Exercize for an exact type scenario as 9/11 was…MSM says thats reason for 12 min of mass confusions by said Nat Guard pilots etc, they thought it was just an ‘exercize at first”! Sure they did.

              Its likly those scoundrels, and swindlers like Mr Silversiten who was Leaseing those buildgs, and himself Profitied by aprox $3.7 BILLION in 5 Insurance payouts, AFTER Insur co’s Paid off the actual Owners that leased it to silverman, of which the owners also got aprox same amounts…AND the verrified Facts that he was unable to Rent out much of the total space due to those buildings were built with a huge excess of xtra Fireproofing of Mass amounts of “Asbestos” which while when used in 1970’s when erecting it all was not Yet banned for use as a cancer causer etc…Articles discusing this stuff stated that the price tag for asbestos removals, which were mandated to be removed “IF” any space renters decided to Remodel rented space(which most office renters do desire changes of remodeling etc)…Were the Main reason for not many renters, since silverman wanted renters of office space to Pay asbestos removal costs if they choose to remodel office suits…Why remodel if you can do an Insurance job eh?

              AND the Fact that there was an Ongoing aprox 10 yr long Fed Court cases to get fed judges to agree with silverman et al that at least a couple insurance co’s Would be Liable for dammages even if an act of War/Riots OR act by Terrorists occured! Most insurance coverages do NOT pay off if dammages are due to civil riots, Wars, or Terroristic acts from all I read of these issues.

              Silverman finally got a Fed ct of Appeales justice, a fellow tribe member also, to agree and silverman won his PRE-Collapse terror acts case against claims BY insurance co’s that they do not have to pay in such scenarios..Silverman sure got “Lucky” too since the 9/11 causeing need to file insurance claims occured just a couple months After he Won his 10 yr long ct cases affairs! Some tribes gets all the luck no. So did the Fed ct appealate Justice when Later Bush jr gave Him a Better “Offical” position in fed govnt if I recall correct.

              Add in how silverman was a Stickler for always being On Time, and at PRECICELY the exact same 9 am every morning He ate his breakfast AT the TOP Floor Resturant that revolves in a 360 degree circle while patrons sit at tables and observe the View….He and his Two kids a son and daughter were to Meet there for breakfast the Morning of 9/11 events….BUT due to another “Coincidence” aka last minit changes, His wifey phoned him to say that he has a Doctor apointment that Morning so Cancel his breakfast meeting..Hmmmmm…Good thing that call didn’t arrive 10 minits later eh! Lucky again?

              Indeed now that So Many Many folks are researching more info available than a dozen folks can live long enough to read or digest regarding 9/11 events…AND with a Vast Majority of evidence, articles, documentations, Very High placed individuals stateing that Mossad and Israel are the Main culprits…TO Get dumbed down america to AGAIN Demolish another nation many jewish folks Hate, along with mass killing off more Millions of folks that NEVER harmed america…Indeed…Perhaps this “New” info is designed to switch folks main Focus Away from mossad, israel, and the entire Bush team of war mongering neocons along with the leftist dem Jewdeo-Communists that so Permeate Our Fed national govnt top to bottom.

              OR its also designed to Prep americans to begin waving small size .59 cent China made usa Plastic flags while shouting..USA! USA! USA! while clamoring for More War this time against Arabia!….

              Maybe at least One NY newspaper will soon do an article outlining the massive historical evidences and Ties that Bind arabs of Ishmael, WITH Jews of ESAU also known of as “Khazars” and edomite turks eh…Cousins in Other words! And BOTH sworn Mortal Enemys of the true Jacob/israel peoples…Of which Khazars definatly aint.

              When are folks going to Wake up to realize that Christianity has TWO Mortal hatefull revenge seeking enemy religions? That being Both Islam And babylonian talmudic judaisim…..Ironic if all the past 1/2 century or longer Both has been pretending to have One as Our allies when in reality Both have been secretly operating Againts Americans best intrests eh…After all like it or not america is and was founded mainly as a Christian Nation, With a vast majority of over 85-90% calling themselves Christians…That don’t sit well with them Other Two religious folks who see christianity not just as the folks who founded, invented, built The Greatest nation ever to exist in all history, but Both others also see it as the Nation And Peoples that recieved those God promiced blessings recorded biblically…Of which Both ESAU aka jacobs twin brother, as well as Ishmael aka Issac’s older brother’s Modern day, today’s decendants have an Overwhelming desire to Rob americans blind of said blessings and exterminate the absolute best armed of worlds christian folks They consider enemys to Their selves and religions….

              Like that TV Soap eh..”As the LOG Burns…So Are the Days of Our Lives”….Staring, a couple Hundred american christians vs a Double whammy enemy of talmudics and their cousins the Islamics! Stay Tuned, to be continued I am certain of.

              PS: Some other Poster person here can contribute the massive infos on how by Another strange and ironic “Coincedence” all them Photos of right after the Pentagon got hit too..Ironicly the Photos, Many many photos all shows exactly ZERO-Plane-Plane Parts-Huge Wheel& Tires-Zero Bodies!-No Luggage strewn around the front of pentagon crash site..Nope! Photos just mainly do show a Hole way too small for a huge plane to “Squeeze” thru….And no prior mentioned parts, plane or body wise…Just a huge Burnt to ashes Pile of Documents of Most Wall street/Banksters shenanigens and swindles over God alone, and Mr Rumsfeld knows going back how long for? Which were by some “Coincidence” again, Just recently Moved to That particualr newly Hardened section of Pentagon exteroir wals etc, for better “Safe” keeping of said Banksters wall street Records!…Indeed with so Many well informed folks posting here, perhaps someone or other will post more documented infos regards that MISSING Pentagon Plane!….America, where ALL We was Taught and Told to believe in..Was Hooey, Hokums, and outright Lies….Yet what still Many american folk refuse to investigate!

              Oops! almost forgot to mention…When Donald Rumsfeld “finally” showed that one single Pentagon related Video that “HE” says shows the Plane hit, his explaination for Missing Plane and parts and luggages etc etc…Was…Fasten Yer seatbelts folks! “All those sparkely shinny small objects all over the Grass where pentagon got hit, are ALL that remains…Due of course to the high rate of speed plane traveled when it hit…”

              Funny thing I too has the exact same sparkely shinny small “pieces” on MY Grass Lawn EVERY Morning! All This time I thought it was called “DEW” covering said Grass!…Silly Me Huh!

              • John Q. Public

                Bullseye, ThemGuys, bullseye!

                • skeptic

                  A little off topic but I don’t contribute here a lot and feel a need to. Everyones dear friend Eisen was abused a few months ago for wondering if bit coin might be a good investment. Hopefully a few people should step up to the plate and give him credit due. I don’t remember who all roughed him up but will respect those who laughed at him who will step up to the plate. I hope he invested although if he had he would probably be crowing by now.

              • TheGuy

                Well if that’s true, then he f*cking wins, doesn’t he?! Sorry, I’m irate today, bad weekend.

                America only values the vicious psychos. Look who gets promoted. Look who gets all the big money. Look who gets all the women.

                Great to be f*cking him, I guess. And he only had to kill a couple of thousand useless losers to do it. Now he’s rich as fraggin’ Satan and loving every minute of it. Everyone loves a “winner” in this moral sh*t hole.

                That’s if what you’re saying is true.

                I have my doubts but then again I’m just one of the useless losers so I’m gullible.

              • The Old Coach

                I’d rank that post as being from Al Queda’s useful idiot, except that the word idiot puts too kind a face on it.

                • John Q. Public

                  ….except that your name-calling does NOT trump the verifiable facts that Them Guys posted.

                  The tired old straw man arguments, name-calling, false accusations, and the rest of the rabbis’ tricks are losing their mojo. While many Americans are still in denial or in a coma, about half of the American people are reading, learning, thinking, and understanding the Master Race creed and the crimes against humanity that the Master Race creed has inspired—including the 60 million Christians murdered at the hands of Judeo-Communism.

                • Hunter

                  John Q-


                  The TRUTH will the expense of the “BORN AGAIN BABYLONIAN TRIBE”

                • Emmanuel Truthseeker

                  The actual figure for Christian deaths at the hands of Bolshevik Jews is between 60 and 135 million!

                  Jews are very good at making holocausts of Gentiles; Goyim is what they call us. It means, ‘animals in human skin.’

                  At the time of the outbreak of WWII there were at most, 3.3 million Jews in Europe.

                  I guess that’s all I need to say.

              • Hunter

                Them Guys-

                Its interesting that VERY little is said about the firm providing the software to NORAD and the FAA (see Ptech corp) was yet another ‘dual-citizen’ employee named Michael Goff, who provided Ptech’s source-code to Mossad agent Amit Yoran who forwarded it onto Tel Aviv.

                Thus knowledge of said software, allowed for the scrambling/overriding/controlling of both NORAD’s and the FAA’s computer networks that day.


                Ditto, not much is said about the ‘Israeli owned’ firms contracted to provide SECURITY at all airports involved.
                Said firm was Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of Israeli-owned ICTS, led by Menahem Atzmon.

                Mr. Atzmon just so happens to be a close friend and confidant of former Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert!


                Per the Pentagon strike, why was it that the section destroyed, just happened to be the ‘EXACT’ location where military accountants were pouring thru reams of data…in an effort to figure out, who stole/lost $2.3-trillion dollars from their budget???

                Does the name Dov Zackheim -(another ‘dual-citizen’ type)- and former comptroller of the DoD…

                …ring a bell?


                Why is it, so damn many coincidences on 9-11…just happen to be KOSHER???????

                ..rather than Arab!


                Imo, the Saudi camel-jockeys were/are currently, mere fall guys/minor players per the false-flag event of 9-11.

       post will provide a great link/research tool.

                • Hunter


                  Its stuck in QUARANTINE again.

                  -(deep sigh)-

              • Tyler Durden

                This was thoroughly investigated by Mike Ruppert. Dick Cheney was ultimately in charge of a live fire exercise that had our air defenses simulating an attack by commercial airliners! Go borrow the book. Its heavily cited and even resides in Harvard’s business school. It is called Crossing the Rubicon. Then go on YouTube and seek out “WTC 6” BY beautifulgirlbyDana.

              • Tactical

                At this moment I can see 10 red thumbs to Them Guys post. I am actually enjoying this and I hope it increases to higher numbers. Why? Because by each truthful post by awaken and intelligent Americans such as Them Guys, POG , John Q. Public and many others, the member of the tribe who perceive themselves as the chosen ones along with the useful idiots who are in love with them for no reason except their pure ignorance and lack of intelligence can see the world is becoming aware of their crimes against humanity. Payback will be a BITCH.

                • California Girl

                  @ Tactical,

                  So do you think Christians are the chosen ones?

                • SilverSax

                  Who’s going to give the “payback”? You, Tough Guy?

                • Only Truth

                  @ California Girl

                  I cannot speak for Tactical. but I can tell you what God said:

                  “Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
                  Matthew 7:21

                  Remember too that He warned that few will succeed. Clearly our salvation does not depend on our tribal affiliations or an empty and fruitless faith:

                  For many are called but few are chosen.
                  Mark 20:16

                  Lord, are there few that are saved? But he said to them: Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I tell you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able.
                  Luke 13:23-24

                  Enter ye in at the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate and how strait is the way that leads to life, and few there are that find it!
                  Matthew 7:13-14

                  The perverse are hard to be corrected, and the number of fools is infinite.
                  Ecclesiastes 1:15

                  …and His Saints…

                  Be one of the small number who find the way to life, and enter by the narrow gate into Heaven. Take care not to follow the majority and the common herd, so many of whom are lost. Do not be deceived; there are only two roads: one that leads to life and is narrow; the other that leads to death and is wide. There is no middle way.
                  St. Louis Marie de Montfort

                  I was watching souls going down into the abyss as thick and fast as snowflakes falling in the winter mist.
                  Blessed Benedict Joseph Labre

                  The majority of men shall not see God, excepting those who live justly, purified by righteousness and by every other virtue.
                  St. Justin the Martyr

                  In the Great Deluge in the days of Noah, nearly all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water but of sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved.
                  St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori

                  I have many more sobering quotes on the fewness of the saved.

                  The basic minimum for salvation is to be baptized, believe, and behave as Jesus commanded. Pray on this.

                • Only Truth

                  @ Silver Sax

                  Consider these testimonies about “payback.”

                  An archdeacon known to Saint Vincent Ferrer died at the same hour as Saint Bernard. The Deacon appeared to Saint Vincent Ferrer after dying, saying the following: “At the hour I died, 33,000 others also died. Those that went straight to heaven were two, myself and Saint Bernard. Those that went to purgatory numbered three, and the rest went to hell.” So 5 out of 33,000 were saved.

                  “Poor Judas! About seventeen hundred years have elapsed since he has been in Hell, and his Hell is still only beginning.”
                  St. Alphonsus Ligouri, 17th century, Preparation For Death, p. 127

                  Whatever the victims do to the evildoers is of little consequence in comparison to God’s just and eternal punishment of all evildoers.

              • Not them guys

                Another asinine rant from the resident anti-Semite. Don’t you know that G-d has a special place in hell for people like you?

                • John Q. Public

                  You magic word does NOT trump facts presented. Your magic word has lost its mojo.

                  Your superstitious avoidance of saying God in not at all Biblical or Mosaic. It is a Kabbalistic superstition.

                  As for hell, here is what GOD says:

                  axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
                  cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
                  condemned Mark 16:16
                  cut down Matthew 3:10
                  in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
                  judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
                  shall be broken Matthew 21:44
                  shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
                  the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
                  woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
                  wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
                  your house shall be left desolate Matthew 23:38
                  you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13

                  We know upon whom GOD made those judgments. Heaven and Hell are HIS judgments, not mine.

                • John Q. Public

                  typo: “… is not at all Biblical…”

                • Them Guys

                  Califirnia GIRL And SILVER SAX: Heres a Link that will fully Answer your questions about the church vs jews issues etc….Neither of You two can refute factually nor biblically what This smart guys website explains biblically and Historically. GO READ Question #3 at webiste of www dot biblestudysite dot com/qtarc3 dot htm

                  It Fully explains why YES it is Christians who are spoken of in the promices to abraham in genisis etc etc.
                  (Galatians 3:29 “And if Ye are Christs then Ye are Abrahams seed and Heirs according to the Promice” IE: its the Christians/church it speaks of.)

                  That website Is a Pure Goldmine of bible factual truths and info includeing Historical info on jews and khazars etc….”IF” You refuse to even Research that sites infos?

                  Then do NOT expect any further debate on these issues as it will Prove you are of the types that do NOT really seek facts or truths…The type who Rather remain deluded by the current crop of falsehoods taught by so many preachers today in order to Bolster what is perhaps The main number one biggest falacy taught, that of a Pre Trib Rapture event. It has caused them to manufacture more falsehoods and Mis interpretations of the bible, especially of Old test verses and prophecys to bolster and attempt to prove their falsehood pre trib teachings.

                  PS: Its also earned Many pastors a very Hefty donations coffers from many various jewish orgs like aipac-adl-splc-and many more khazer imposter jews groups so decieving america and the western nations of late..And Late it’s getting! So Please Wise up! READ that websites Question/answers #3…Link takes You direct to that #3 spot….Enjoy your New found wisdoms! Then get back to me.

              • Not them guys

                Ranting, ranting. Incoherence. More ranting. Take your meds and STFU already.

          • BadAmerican


            You really didn’t post any comments.

            I really didn’t read your comments.

            There really isn’t an internet to post comments to.

            You really don’t exist.


            …back in your basement troll…..

            ….what a douche…….


            p.s. — I really didn’t ………

          • braveheart

            Satanshog, whose fantasy world are you from?

    4. PO'd Patriot

      Well, I ain’t shocked.

      • Genius

        911 is the kindergarden of conspiracies, anyone who hasn’t figured out it was a FF by now is a moron. People say “I saw it with my own eyes” and couldn’t put 2 plus 2 together and figure out that was impossible? Where is israhell mentioned in this? Notice how fast the patriot act was rolled out? Because it was already written! This is so damn obvious every fooking part of it I can’t believe the people behind it did such a shitty sloppy job. But the sheep eat it up like a chocolate covered shit cupcake. The powers behind it sit back and laugh theyre asses off at the sheeple while they reap the enormous benefits, the draconian police surviellance state, invasion and occupation of soveriegn countries, theft of resources and wealth, all at our countries expense! The never ending war enriching these fookers beyond belief! More and more power and control by the day! All the time the stupid braindead slaves yell “go usa, go usa” blindly patriotic fools that can’t muster a single though of theyre own, just follow the pied piper leading them to theyre own destruction. Never figuring out that the enemy is WITHIN, not in some foriegn country. Fooking mental midgets get the govt. they deserve! Now get over there and kill some brown people for uncle sam after all, he is just looking out for your best interests!

        • Pissed Off Granny

          Consider the probability of 4 airliners being taken over simultaneously, casually flown around a large swatch of the country for almost 2 hours under the vigilant eye of NORAD, then used as missles –all without a single fighter being scrambled to intercept them.

          The official scenario of what happened is in itself an unsubstantiated and truly far fetched “conspiracy theory” that other competing scenarios Should receive serious attention.

          What was happening at NORAD? Who was in control there?

          The public’s reluctance to question official doctrine on 9/11 is a sympton of the societal role for which most of us have been bred and trained: to be ever faithful hounds, tails thumping the floor, as we contentedly slurp the hand of TPTB.


          Most people just don’t have the guts to go beyond TPTB and the MSM to learn the truth.

          It is as if a threshhold has been crossed into a realm of possibilities too VILE to entertain, so we choose to stay in DENIAL. Never mind that THIS COUNTRY’S OPERATIVES have traveled the world, PERPETRATING SIMILAR HORRORS, FOR ALL THE PAST CENTURY.

          Rather than allow the MSM, TPTB, and the intelligence community to render every detail of the comprehension of what is happening to America and the world we would be much wiser to carefully CONSIDER what lies BEHIND THEIR LIES.

          • Genius

            Damn straight granny!

          • ENFP

            POG: “It is as if a threshhold has been crossed into a realm of possibilities too VILE to entertain, so we choose to stay in DENIAL.”
            Crossing this threshhold almost ruined my whole vacation in Europe. I wouldn’t even talk about it to anyone back home unless they would watch the documentary first. It was just too unbelievable to me 2 years ago.

          • Jim Bob

            No surprises about what the average American thinks and knows about his government. He we are some 10 plus years on and their still just as dull as they’ve ever been. Think about it, some smooth talkin’ negro tells them that we’ll be able to give health insurance to 40 million uninsured { and undocumented } NEW ” Americans” and our costs will actually go DOWN in the coming years!

            Well I sure do LOVE this Obama guy alright! I get to keep my old insurance and my doctor and can look forward to savin’ money in the years ahead. YES WE CAN ! And now the reality has appeared some like some gruesome zombie about to eat them financially. They’re dumbfounded. Again. You mean we were LIED to? What’s next, we won’t be able to power our cars on unicorn farts in the next 5 years? Whoever wanted America dumbed down to the point of easy takeover has succeeded beyond their wildest dreams……

          • John Q. Public

            As long as most Americans have food in their bellies, Monday night football on their talmudvisions, and internet porn, they are happy to be deceived.

            Michael Hoffman speaks about the psy war technique of “freeze and thaw” or “revelation of the method.” He postulates that by blocking and then slowly releasing information about the elites’ heinous crimes against humanity, they induce an attitude of helplessness—”Look! See what we did to you and you can do nothing about it.”

            By the time the full—or nearly full—stories of Waco, Oklahoma City, and 9/11 are known, the American sheeple will be even more paralyzed and comatose (if they aren’t already dead from the false flag finale).

            HUNGER will awaken stuporous Americans in a hurry. Be ready for that day.

            Nuremberg 2

            Prosecute the guilty. Leave the innocent alone.

          • Just Me

            Valid points. Sorta makes me sick to my stomach. So what’s their next experiment on us going to be, besides ACA.
            I’ve always thought that 9/11 was more planned than simply a few plans flying around…from the time I saw the first trade tower go down on TV—it hit me, that building went down like a planned demolition, how is that possible just because a plane flew into it. Demolitions require some planning and skill, and that tower went straight down.

            • Straight linear

              straight implies that no debris went in no other direction. a More accurate description of the events of 9/11, is that the buildings became dust and drifted away with the breeze. after the “collapse” and the first photos were taken, at street-level you can see horizontally across to the other side of it, as if the building disappeared. THat’s not a collapse. That is molecular dissociation. A lot of money went into making that happen. The sad part is that Israel knows how it was done. That makes them feel even more powerful. We must always spread the truth, whatever the cost, save our dignity.

          • The Old Coach

            Mac, POG’s posts would connect back to an IP in Riyadh, would they?

            • Tactical

              The Old Coach….Actually POG’s comments are being thumbed down by your friends in Riyadh and the center of tribe in Tel Aviv. The truth hurts you useful idiot?

            • Pissed Off Granny

              Old Coach:

              My truthful posts sure seem to make you squirm.

            • John Q. Public

              As usual, Old Coach, you and the rabbis have nothing but name-calling and lies.

          • Anonymous

            Good thing you’re here to tell us the truth – you know, because you have all that access to inside knowledge.
            Conspiracy theorist.

          • mountain man 6-1

            @ P.O.G.—–Yes ,and don’t forget , that ‘Axis of Arrogance’ Bush – Cheney and Rumsfeld Also lied about the WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION to drag us into a USELESS WAR !! By the way ,saw something on internet today about BUSH sayin Americans are ‘Freedom Loving People ‘ , I almost PUKED !! Glad they’re GONE ,but then we have this New Evil to deal with . And he has learned ,from Bush, that you can wait till Congress is out of town , then pass ‘Executive Orders’ and by-pass all that silly law stuff ! They have a PLAN , I just wish WE DID !!??…

      • Man on the inside

        “Good God! I’ve been sayin’ it. I’ve been sayin’ it for ten damn years. Ain’t I been sayin’ it, Miguel? Yeah, I’ve been sayin’ it”

        Russel Casse

        Though I do not believe half of the conspiracy theories and I don’t want some of those ilk on our side cuz they make us look crazy……. Real intelligent people know several things.
        1. The Saudi government is not our friend.
        2. Planes really did hit the towers and Pentagon.
        3. If a building burns long enough and is not made
        of concrete it WILL collapse.
        4. A building missing many of its main supports will
        5. The 19 scum bags had help from the Saudi’s.
        6. The government can’t let the Saudi government fail
        due to the Petro dollar.
        7. The government has used this event to find new and
        wonderful ways to control us.
        8. The government thinks they are our “RULERS”, not
        civil servants.
        9. This event and many others since will help bring
        about a one world government.
        10. The U.S. Government has NO integrity.
        11. We need to continue to press for the truth.
        12. The truth is somewhere between the stated story and
        the conspiracy theories.
        13. The NSA, CIA,FBI, and others know more than they are
        14. China is laughing its ass off cuz by 2018 it won’t
        matter they will be the number one superpower.
        15. U.S. citizens are being played (and looked at by the
        world) as fools.
        16. If you have half a brain you are PRAYIBG, PLANNING,

        • jerrytbg

          “3. If a building burns long enough and is not made
          of concrete it WILL collapse.
          4. A building missing many of its main supports will

          I believe you need to do a little bit more research on these two points…both in theory and what actually happened with building 7…
          (hint)…the penthouse fell first and it was far from the flames and the “main supports”…

          No argument with the rest of your points…fwiw

    5. Sheeple#1

      Yay another of the same story… What happened to shtf… I need help with a plan… If I want to get freaked out about everything on the news ill go to infowars… I come here to learn. At least I did.

      • sixpack

        If you “come here to learn” and if you have read ANY of the many articles and posts here, on planning and preparing, but you STILL don’t have a plan, maybe you should learn how to pay attention to what you read. Damn.

        • California Girl


          I think the problem is that many of us have been on this site for years. Back then it was more about planning, what to buy, how much of it, bests ways to store food, best self defense, etc, so we’ve already got most of the info we need on how to do it. The new readers missed out on that and are just beginning to prepare. They are looking for lists, product reviews, etc, and are not finding that here anymore.

          • Gunner

            California Girl

            If the new readers here are looking for
            pure prepping only, MAC has generously
            provided the best in the business to the
            left of this comment column.

            If they can’t see that, then it would have
            to be written in braille.

            • gone under

              I prefer the column on the right.

          • John Q. Public

            It would be welcome to see more articles by “Max Velocity,” articles on tactics, organization, and communication.

            • mountain man 6-1

              @ John Q…..Then just buy his BOOK ‘Patriot Dawn ‘ it starts off with suburban man trying to protect his family and neighbors against Gov’t. Thugs ,very dramatic and suspenseful , THEN drops ALL THAT and go’s into ‘How to BUILD a ARMY ‘ with tactic’s included ! Pissed me off !! Plus it took place in an area that I grew up in ,sw Va..So I guess if you’re looking for training ,this would be a good read !!…

        • Sheeple#1

          Oh jeez stud sorry. You got it all figured out dont you…no questions no need for advice no second guessing yourself huh well good for you. Don’t need anyone to attack me for trying to constantly improve myself and my situation… Damn

          Thanks “dick”your right on the money…

          P.s. nothing ever goes according “to plan” … I’ve learned that on the battlefield … You?

          • The

            It’s “you’re”, not “your”.

            • Anonymous


          • KY Mom


            I see there are some very good suggestions below to get you on the right track.

            One of my favorite lists is:
            “When SHTF These 100 Items Will Disappear First”

            Just type this title into the search bar at the top.

            Each day that we have is a gift.
            Don’t give up.

          • California Girl


            I’m not nearly as prepared as I need to be, but I know I can come to this site and ask for advice. There are always several nice people who will gladly share what experience they have, like the way KY Mom just did. We all love Mac’s site, which makes some responders defensive, but I know how overwhelming it is to try to sift through the ton of info on all those other prepper sites. Also, many of us who are prepping with limited funds are probably not much further along than you are. Anyway, we’re here for you man!

      • Dick

        I agree. the time for finding reasons to prepare have passed, or should have. All this just distracts me from information that will actually help when the SHTF. I believe it will and dont need more brainwashing. If someone knows a site that actually focuses POSITIVELY on prepping please list it.


        • Kulafarmer

          Survivalblog is pretty good, but if your like me and like reading you will burn through the dayly posts pretty quick, im kinda over it, ordered the Tolkien 4 book original set of Hobbit and lord of the rings, just want to check out rather thsn read more doom and gloom

          • Genius

            Hey Kula, check out the link on my tip I posted, prepping info from hell. Some of the very best bad assed defense info there is. For the prepper that has everything lol 🙂

          • wrong

            Excellent choice!

          • Mountain Trekker

            Kula if you go to Survivaltop50 you can get more reading than you could handle in a life time. And much of it has good prepping ideas and not doom and gloom. One of my favorites is #62 Paratus she don’t have an article everyday, but they don’t just talk the talk they live a preppers life. SHTFplan is very interesting because we can interact with our comments but there are a lot of other good sites for Prepping and Survival info. Trekker Out. Si vis pacem,para bellum!

            • mountain man 6-1

              @ M.T. …Hey Trek , and there are a lot of other sites that don’t have the FREEDOM that MAC provides HERE! I’ve seen warnings on MANY Sites that ‘Certain Things ‘ will NOT be Tolerated !! I think most here would give advice if someone needed an answer . Plus ,WHERE ELSE can you read BULL S#IT & Comedy all on one site !?? (speaking of comedy, where’s our resident Comedian ‘Smokin Okie’??) He must be on a Long Haul!?? Anyway, I always roam the internet , but I always hang my hat HERE ,it’s HOME !!(until I get kicked off) ……mm

              • Mountain Trekker

                Mountain 6-1 you’ll get no argument from me about the freedom on this site. Just wanted to let people know there are other sites about prepping. I’ve been wondering about SmokinOkie myself for some time. Trekker Out.

            • Hunter

              Thanks for the link MT.

        • BadAmerican

          @Dick and friends:

          Articles of this nature , read by those still sitting on the fence when it comes to prepping, may be the straw that gets ’em in gear.
          It reinforces that plain fact that it is ugly out there, more the reason to stock up on essentials.

          Any person who comes to this site, as I, goes to additional sites to confirm or deny these articles. Any person can use a search engine to discover other sites that provide lists, or use the archives here at SHTFplan.

          SHTFplan is a tool, not a tit. Just one of may tool you need to have in order to thrive against the ugly out there. You undoubtedly glean information from many other sites along with this one to help you with your prepping plans. This site should not be considered a one stop shop for all of your needs, but rather a stop on your successful journey to self sustainability.

          Articles of this nature, along with your previous posts provide insight to the nuances of a prep life that lists and stuff only partially fulfill.

          I defend this site, because it has helped me improve my lot. It has made me use my noggin, and has helped me confirm that my prepping is the right course.

          Your fellow prepper and cohort.

          ….I tot I taw a putty tat……BA.

          • sixpack

            Perfectly stated.

      • Kulafarmer

        Im starting to feel the same way,,,
        When i first started was a little over a year ago, found all sorts of good articles and never really paid attention to the comments,,,
        I like talking about canning, or growing stuff, or what out of dste stuff is still edible, tactical gear, dealing with family and friends, or not dealing with them, cars in craziness, hardening your house,, all manner of stuff, but lately, lots of stuff that follows the theme like the one here,,
        No offense to Mac, i can imagine how tough it is to come up with new stuff,,
        At the moment we all know the govt is just fucking with us and is inept, that there have been various questionable events, thst the dollar and economy sre not groovy,,
        But what are good ways to hide valueables? 101 ways to use macaroni or pinto beans? 20 different ways to preserve fruit? Ya know,,, i get it though, can please some of the people some of the time but cant please all the people all the time,,,

        • ReaganVet

          Yeah, this was the last straw — I’m done here. No doubt the Saudi’s condoned and supported some of the Jihadist actors of 9-11 and then in fear for their lives, spirited their families out of the U.S. post haste.

          At least this 9/11 Truther article now explains why all the racist, anti-Semite, Aryan Nations, Storm Front trooper types are given free reign here.

          If not for moral reasons, all advertisers on this site should take into account what this kind of rabid hatred will eventually do to their bottom line.

          • John Q. Public

            @ Reagan Vet

            By what short circuit of logic do you reach your conclusions?

            Verifable facts have been presented.

            What is “hateful” about truth?

            Who really is the hater? the masterminds of crimes against humanity? or the people who expose the masterminds?

            Think about that… LOGICALLY.

          • buttcrackofdoom

            seems to ME….EVERYONE here has pretty much free reign??

        • buttcrackofdoom

          just the opposite for me…i find MANY of the comments to be more important than the story itself. there’s a LOT of intelligent people commenting here to ad to the many facets of these stories and this site…i find it PRICELESS!….maybe even MORE expensive! i ALWAYS tell people when they come here to pay attention to the comments too, THEY are the most important part. i think SOME of these guys just need a double-shot of buttcrackofdoom today.

      • Sgt. Dale

        Please ask the questions we will try to answer them.

      • REB

        Keep coming…some here are trying to provide info/experience,theres not always an opening…ask questions EVEN IF THEYRE OFF TOPIC,that provides an opening…someone here will try to answer your question 🙂

      • Boo

        Jim Rawles and Selco have good sites for actual learning. This one I come to only to see what BI is saying about earthquakes and for what little practical bits and pieces come out occasionally in the comment stream. The rest is sheer silliness, speculation, name calling, sock puppet shows, agenda pushing and regurgitation of extremist points of view.

    6. Heirloominati

      Rope. Tree.

      • TAK583


    7. Mole

      BS levels are off the charts with this article. This isn’t SHTF but more like SHTB (S*it hits the brain!)

    8. .02

      This is more of the ole Kansas City Shuffle. The kingdom of saud had nothing to do with this other than to be the scapegoat. Doesn’t anyone see the obvious as in totally an inside job? That means YOU Dick Cheney you evil evil man. And also YOU Israel with your 6 dancing Israeli agents there to “film the event.” And YOU George Bush I and II with your snide remarks about how “if the amerikan people knew what you have done we would be lynching you in the streets”. This is just a small sampling of the people that are responsible for the event. The list is long and deep including the mayor.. yes YOU Rudy, that pile of trash mayor in Chicago yes YOU Rahm..etc so forth and ect.. POS each and everyone. FUCKERS!

      • sixpack

        yep. watch the other hand.

      • John Q. Public

        Bullseye, .02, bullseye!

      • JayJay

        You said a mouth full, .02!!

        Watch the magician behind the curtain as I hide this rabbit.

        • Hunter

          Actually Jay-Jay, they’re not known for hiding rabbits.
          Instead, they’re seriously into twirling chickens over their heads!!!

          -(somebody here will understand..grin)-

          • John Q. Public

            Who will be the first disinformation agent to claim the photographic and video evidence of the kaparot Voodoo chicken shlugging is “hate”?

            • Hunter

              Dunno John, but I do hope their chickens acquire ‘Avian Diarrhea’ at the most opportune moment!

              • Them Guys

                John Q Public: Indeed Yom Kipper aka jewish New years!

                The day that once per year Every synagouge of satan is Filled to jam packed standing room only. Where the jewish talmudics recite their “KOL NIDRE” Prayers…A Prayer that absolves all jews that pray it from obedience to ALL/Any Promices or OATHS taken by them. Such as for example when a US senator like finestien Swears her OATH to Support and Defend the US Const! from ALL enemys forien or DOMESTIC!..Then 2 seconds Later she renews her totally Unconstitutional Rabid anti american deceptions and destructions…

                Indeed a Kol Nidre yom kipper prayer that allows jewish folks to DIS-Honor…DIS-Obey, all Oaths or promices sworn to and for the ENTIRE Next Full Year In Advance!!!

                Talmud teaches…Ok to LIE-STEAL-Murder-Mass Genocide Goyim Gentiles(see russia 1918 to 1990) aka “Kill Even the Best of the Gentiles”…Then recite a prayer once per year to allow for Oath breakings a full year in advance!

                And every item as Proof that we post here written BY Rabbis, BY Jewish folks etc gets Us called Vile hatefull Names?…But them jews and rabbi gets a free pass right..Because we are all supposed to believe the ONLY victims that ever matter are their tribe members.

                Because They think they alone are real Humans and all non jews equals animals aka goyim…Why are there still folks foolish enough to defend such? I guess they FEAR to actually READ those many Links we provide to real factual Truths eh…Funny all these name caller types never provide ANY other than name calling of the truth tellers here. That tactic is Fast loseing it’s Mojo effect.

                • NOT them guys

                  Your ignorance is astounding. Go back to the Stormfront website where you belong. David Duke is missing you.

            • sixpack

              Disclaimer: No actual chickens were harmed during the filming of this video…

              • Hunter


                Good one six…

              • Them Guys

                NOT Them Guys: is an Obvious High School DROP Out from that famous school called SPLC-HIGH!….Next door to ADL Jr High!…

                PS: All you foolsih idiots and name callers and deniars of truth can…Kiss My WHITEY AMERICAN CHRISTIAN ASS!

                Get that Memo you Utter clown fools!

                • Not them guys

                  Guess it hurts your fragile ego to have someone call you out on your rabid anti-semitism. Typical reaction by the weak-minded. And don’t worry, there’s not much truth in anything you post, so a person who has a higher IQ than your room temperature one is not fooled by your rantings.

                  BTW, you might want to revisit what being a Christian actually means. Guess you slept through that class, because you are clearly no Christian.

    9. Chilton

      And speaking of coverups lets not forget about all the things about Sandy Hook. SGT Report has a great interview up with Mark S. Man about that. Check it out.

      • .02

        The biggest give away that S Hook was an inside job is the amount of wounded. In all other mass shootings the woounded out number the dead. S Hook.. 17 dead and not even ONE wounded.. Wow that kid was good.. AS IF.. I tell you folks we are being ruled by some very evil psychos.

        • .02

          27 dead and no wounded I mean.. I am getting pissed off and pounding on this thing.. fvkit I am going to work on the car.. l8r

        • Chilton

          Agreed, and Adam weighed like 112 pounds, but carried a full loadout and didn’t miss. Kid must of been a member of the Seals on his days off.

          • c

            And the coroner said all were shot by a rifle but Adam only had handguns with him. The rifle was locked in the trunk of his car out in the parking lot. The camera was running in a chopper overhead when the police approached and opened that trunk. Live feed.
            The victims were all shot and killed inside the school. So why were there puddles of blood on the front porch and steps? Was that just for the cameras?

            • Canadian Vet

              Not to mention all the fatalities were hit with 3 rounds each. That is a hallmark of professional training, either using the Mozambique drills as I learned during the Gunfighter course, excellent trigger-control with a fully automatic rifle (as I was taught as part of basic weapons proficiency in Basic) or a weapon fitted with a burst limiter…

              • grandee

                no people. their little bodies couldn’t take the hit.

              • gone under

                research Cleveland School yard shooting Stockton Calif.. Jan 17 1989

                • John Q. Public

                  The perpetrator of the Stockton school yard shooting was Patrick Purdy, a former child prostitute of a ring patronized by VERY POWERFUL politicians and bureaucrats.

                  That is why they had to make the shooting about the gun, the “assault weapon.”

                  They could not afford any curiosity about the perpetrator’s background.

                  Get a copy of the official autopsy report on Patrick Purdy and start your research at the psychological autopsy section.

                • gone under

                  @ John Q…I was there and my son was shot.

                • John Q. Public

                  @ gone under

                  I am so sorry to hear that. I hope that he survived to become a fine young man. If not, I pray for the response of his eternal soul.

                  An attorney friend had researched the ring and had accumulated considerable evidence of child prostitution, pornography, and murder run by VERY powerful and dangerous men. There are even more sickening details. His home was firebombed, the evidence destroyed, and my friend died a few months later.

                  Those evildoers could not afford any interest in Patrick Purdy. They had to make it about the inanimate gun.

                • gone under

                  @ John Q. The whole Gun grab, nation wide was started In 1989. Ca banned all kinds of firearms. The rest of the nation just followed along. I contacted the NRA around March when Dan Roberti CA assemblyman introduced the first gun ban. The NRA didnt want anything to do with a few us parents that knew the Gov was just exploiting the incident. I bought a ak clone to give to my son when he became a adult. He has it right now. He is a good hunter and lives near me a few miles below Ruby Ridge (Naples Id).Purdy had a arrest record with felonies that were always reduced to misdimenors. he “killed himself”. The teachers were not the Hero’s the media portrayed them to be. I could tell you all kinds of things but I would rather forget. I still have the Stockton Record paper with my son’s picture on it holding his leg.

                • .02

                  Gone Under, I was at the ruby ridge massacre and gave Bo Gritz a ride to the bridge when he went up and talked Randy down. What a waste of decent humanity on that deal. When our government tries to spin a sniper shooting a AMERICAN woman in the head while she is holding a baby as a hero, that was the day I officially gave up on amerika and started prepping. You want to talk about lies? Holyshit the government lied about EVERYTHING! I lived in N Idaho for 42 years. born all my children in BF but finally couldn’t take the situation any longer. The sheriff of Boundary County at that time was Bruce Whittaker who is a friend of mine and told me he could have gone up there and talked randy and company out anytime, but the gov wanted the fight. He also told me that everything is corrupt from the last cop on the street to the top, inside and out. He quit right after the Weaver affair. If you ever go up to his cabin say hi to Mike Huff for me, he lives there.

        • JayJay

          The biggest giveaway at Sandy Hook was no bodies taken to the hospital.
          No funerals.
          No injured, only fatalities??

          • JayJay

            Most importantly, no blood clean up..ever!!!
            26 bodies with average 11 holes in them and no blood clean up??

            • Them Guys

              Every Major TV-MSM news especially Fox news tv has been constantly telling americans this and that on how todays terrorists are so badly influenced by their Koran book of islam…I agree the koran verses msm tv has cited do show a dangerous teaching which undoubtedly has influenced such as al queda to strap on bombs as terrorists etc..

              YET, Why has EVERY TV news Major MSM Failed to report that a huge Majority of school shooters and Movie goer shooting recently by batman joker dressed shooter guy as well as Giffords incident shooting in AZ etc etc..

              Have Also been religiously Brainwashed to be Killers?

              IE: a Huge number, a Majority of those shooters have been Jewish shooters, Dylan+Kleebold columbine school, and most others right Up to Sandy Hook events..

              Is it a possibility that due to Talmudic verses taught to them since Birth, such as “Kill even the Best of the Gentiles” and the mass amount of talmudic verses that teach that gentiles are just Animals aka “Goyims”. Just might have something to do with such shootings? Is That why columbine shooter jewish guys first asked “Are You a Christian” before shooting them kids? Does Talmudic teachings of vile antichristianity have anything to do to influencing jewish teens to become mass killers? When will Fox TV news ask these questions Publically like they do with Koran muslim issues?

              If the Islamic Koran can be said to influence killings of non islamics…Then what about the babylonian jewish Talmudic influences as taught?…WHY is One Okay to discuss yet the Other, Talmud jewish isues NOT ok to speak out on?

              Is That what is meant by so much talk about “Equality” america is based upon?…OR is american equality today more like George Orwells book “Animal Farm? Where ALL animals are Equal! Except of course that them Swine Pigges are “MORE” equal?…Gee I wonder if Orwells animal farm really is speaking of Goyims as animals, and those MORE equal swine pigs represent the jews who believe they are more equal as real humans compared to us Lowly goyim non jewish gentiles…

              • .02

                Them Guys, better take a look at who owns the networks.

              • Not them guys

                Emotional, incoherent rantings of a diseased soul and a feeble mind. Go haunt the Stormfront website. I hear you and David Duke are tight.

        • Anonymous

          Dumbass. What do you think, the govt just decided to go kill a bunch of children in CT one day?

          • JayJay

            Dumbass–until you see the bodies, assume there were none.

          • Only Truth

            They have a long and sordid history of ritualistic murder of children.

            • Only Truth

              Even today Israeli snipers make sport of baiting and shooting children… and then their medical rescuers.

              November 13, 2012 Israel’s War on Children: Part I Murdering Children for Sport – The Jewish Holocaust Against Arab Children

              “Children have been shot in other conflicts I have covered–death squads gunned them down in El Salvador and Guatemala, mothers with infants were lined up and massacred in Algeria, and Serb snipers put children in their sights…in Sarajevo–but I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport,” Hedges wrote. His account, coolly factual yet full of passionate intensity, was written not for his own paper but for Harper’s Magazine, which sent Hedges to Gaza on his vacation.” The Nation, March 11, 2002
              Chris Hedges’ “
              A Gaza Diary: Scenes from the Palestinian Uprising,”
              Harper’s, October 2001

          • Only Truth

            Start your research in the Old Testament.

            The Israelites worshipped, fornicated with, and sacrificed their own children to the demon Moloch (Leviticus 20:3-5, 3 Kings 11:5-33, et al.).

            Their ritualistic bleeding and crucifixion of Christian children is also well documented:


            • Not them guys

              Your name “only truth” is hysterical. You wouldn’t know truth if it jumped up and bit you in the ass.

      • newbee

        Is anyone else having problems listening to the report on SGT Report it will play for a few and the shut off on me..

    10. Npz

      WE already know, that’s why we visit such sites, to get the truth. We are,growing in numbers each and every hour of every day and across every country. They are loosing their grip and are panicked if they can pull their full agenda off before we hang them.

    11. lynnie

      Follow the money. Airline shorts were 100-250 times normal one and two days before 9-11. “They” are able to find out who bought those shorts even if the trail is obfuscated by intermediaries doing the actual buying on Wall Street before the towers fell.

      I don’t know who bought the shorts- CIA, Mossad, Sauds, others, or a combination. My personal guess is the hijackers were pawns of the globalist oligarchy which transcends national identity. I don’t know who was in on the intelligence. But follow the money and you will find out the truth. They know, and we probably never will.

      • KY Mom

        Off Topic…

        Following the money…

        Are the Feds setting stage for ‘income redistribution’?

        Retirement plans attacked for ‘savings inequality’

        “A report by the Washington-based National Institute on Retirement Security that found a significant RACIAL DISPARITY in retirement savings among working-age households appears to be setting the stage for introducing “income redistribution” concepts into the next round of debate over cutting Social Security benefits.”

        Inspired by a ‘government pension plan’ in Poland, …
        “The Federal government has contemplated FORCING holders of tax-qualified retirement instruments – including 401(k)s, IRAs, and annuities – to invest a portion of their retirement savings in U.S. government Treasury bonds.”

        Race and Retirement Insecurity in the United States

        • The Old Coach

          They’ll do it, because they can. Argentina is another precedent.

          • Only Truth

            You are a racist and hater for mentioning Argentina. Why do you want to kill all Hispanics?

            A bit of your own medicine.

            • California Girl

              If you’re going to attack Old Coach at least try to make sense.

              • Only Truth

                @ California Girl

                Old Coach (like others here) frequently attacks any embarrassing quote from the rabbis or the Israeli press by calling the poster a “Nazi” who wants to “kill all Jews,” etc.

                I just gave him a bit of his own medicine.

                Of course it doesn’t make sense. That was precisely the point—to show that rebutting facts with non-sequitur name-calling is illogical.

                Remember that next time that Old Coach or anyone else uses the term “Nazi” or “anti-Semite.”

                • Not them guys

                  When actual facts appear in the anti-Semitic rantings you and a handful of your cohorts are so fond of posting, I’ll look forward to pigs flying by my window. Sorry, but hating Jews and spreading lies about Judaism does make you an anti-Semite.

              • Boo

                This is Nina in another sock; can’t make sense.

                • Them Guys

                  Those Former Troll-Prison guards posters has Switched Screen names! to Boo and not them guys…Still seem to be Missing a couple more of “Justices” jail house pal poster trolls eh…Maybe they this time got their Hooked schnozzes in too deep and cannot remove their heads from their khazar asses.

        • SilverSax

          Yes, KY Mom, they are setting the stage for redistribution.

          Essential for the NWO.

          • Only Truth

            I certainly endorse the redistribution of all that was looted through the centuries by dynastic banksters and their accomplices.

            They have used the crime of usury, the fraud of fiat currency and fractional reserve banking, bribery, and outright swindling to accumulate most things of earthly value.

            What is stolen is not rightfully retained. All their filthy lucre must be repatriated and the perpetrators punished for their crimes against humanity.

            Nuremberg 2

            Prosecute the guilty. Leave the innocent alone.

            • .02

              you left out murder

            • Them Guys

              In REV.3:9 Christ tells us what will happen to the SAME Imposter jews He speaks of in REV 2: 9…IE: Christ will cause them to Serve Us Christians as they come before Us and Him at Our Feet!

              “They are the Adversaries of God and of All Mankind” thats speaking of the synagouge of satan Imposters aka offspring of Cain aka Kennites.Later to be called Khazars.

              Now just called nation Wreckers…

    12. JRS

      The US corporate government was complicit in the demolition of the twin towers and building seven.

      It is impossible for jet fuel (diesel) to melt steel. Having cut and welded steel I beams to make piles, I can tell you it takes the high temperatures of oxygen mixed with acytelene to cut steel.

      Planes didn’t bring down the towers…explosives most likely did.

      What about Jane Standley, the BBC reporter who reported the “collapse” of the Salomon building (WTC 7) while it was still standing in the background of the shot? BBC cut the feed and 5 minutes later it collapsed.

      We have a rogue element that has infiltrated and taken over the government of the USA and most other countries. They are called “bankers”.

      Hang some bankers.

      • Kevin

        Not to belabor the point, but Jet Fuel is actually Kerosenelike in composition.

        All other points are well taken.

      • sixpack

        Start at the top and work your way down until you run out of rope…

      • Anon7

        JRS: Jets use a kerosene type fuel, as Kevin pointed out, called jp-4 and jp-5 which burns at around 2,000f. That’s enough to cause elongation in the exposed steel frame after the crash and that heat allows for expansion (upwards of 9″ in some cases) that will sheer the rivets/bolts holding them together. Once those joints have come apart all hell breaks loose and collapse begins. Building collapse is a positive feed-back loop situation that allows for further collapse until something strong enough can stop it-usually the ground. I know these things because I was a firefighter for many years.

        • NONYMOUS5

          Building 7?

          • Them Guys

            But the steel burned Less than one hour. I read in some of the 9/11 truth articles that Metalurgical scientists used a Steel Plant’s Blast Furnace thats used to Melt steel etc. They said they Bought some steel pieces made to the exact same specifications as the orig steel used to Erect twin towers buildgs.

            Then took a 6 foot long steel beam section, which was the longest they could place inside the furnace used, and had to Heat it at a constant Temp of almost 3000+ or more degrees non stop for over 16 full hours just to get that steel to begin to sag and bend a little when the heated steel was placed between Two objets to susspend steel off of ground lever with no support in middle of 6 ft long beam.

            16 Hrs constant heat over 3000 or maybe its 4000 degrees F temps I cant now recall which is correct…They said it takes at Minimum 2800 degrees F constant heat to affect that type hardened steel…And that the steel used same as in twin towers was over 2 inch thick and if I recall it was 12 inces wide beams…They also said when twin towers were built, unlike most other buildings similar to those, instead of Testings for hardness and strength of maybe every 50th or even 100th steel beam made at mill, the twin towers project made the steel mill Test check every indivudual beam produced to order.

            Them scientists who refute fed govnt explainations for 9/11 collapse said the particualr steel used at twin towers construction were of highest quality that they could obtain…It was compared to steel like used in Gun Barrels and Cannons for strength etc…

            Also in over 100 yrs of sky scrappers existing worldwide…Although several prior has burned, one in Japan if I recall it burned 22+ hrs…Yet Never before has a fire caused such a collapse anywheres worldwide. And thats buildings with lesser quailty steel even.

            I think all such articles by metalurigist scientists as well as an archethect who I think is the guy that designed a few world famous Bridges in Japan etc…I saw Him on a TV show dealing with the many flaws in “official govnt story” on 9/11…He too stated NO way! NOT even remotely possible from such lower temps of jet fuel and especially when burnning only 55 minits…

            9/11 Is akin to WWII events in that most folks refuse to even consider our fed govnt has Lied or even been complicit…So them folks go on their entire lives believing falshoods regardless how much info or proof destroys that “Official” govnt story..One look at objectors or red thunbs here when a person posts for example the very words of General G Pattons own personal Diary where patton says “we fought against the Wrong People in WWII europe”…Thats too heavey for most folks to digest or believe is a possibility. But the folks who Dig Deeper for More facts usually Find them facts and prove Patton types as correct. While also Dis proving many/most wild holyhoaxer claims and numbers.

            I guess it all depends on what level Truth matters to each person. Many seem to hate truth like Christ Warned us of. Some folks consider Real Truth above all else.

        • Hunter


          Your wrong sonny!

          Your answer is devoid of specific facts/data!

          FYI, modern commercial aircraft do NOT burn JP-4/5, they burn Jet A-1.
          Although its similar.

          The free air ignition point of Jet A-1 is somewhere between 410F-450F and burns at (free air temps) between 500F-590F.
          Yes JP-4/5 possessed very similar characteristics.

          Your assertion that it burns at +2000F is only valid inside a purposely designed ‘COMBUSTION CHAMBER’, where said fuel is injected into a highly compressed, super dense air-flow and ignited, the expansion of the burning air/fuel mixture produces thrust (via exhaust), in a jet engine.

          The free-air (lingering jet fuel) fires in the towers LACKED A SOURCE TO PROVIDE THE PHENOMENA OF COMPRESSION…hence the fires were essentially

          ..and don’t even THINK about calling me on this one.

          I’m very familiar with the workings/functioning of jet engines like the General Electric J-79.

          ..a mid 60’s-70’s after-burning (military) turbojet and primary motivation for the B-58 Hustler/F-4/F-104 and a host of other bad-ass USAF aircraft.

          My father was career USAF (a NCOIC)…I spent a lot of time in the engine shop, I still have his tech manuals!


          Go back to reading ‘POPULAR MECHANICS MAGAZINE’ whilst in the fire-station Anon7.

          …you’ve just been checkmated!

          • Hunter

            …essentially open air fires!!!

            Gads! We need an edit function!

          • JRS

            It’s a wonder my fuel oil furnace (which, by the way, can also burn kerosene) isn’t laying in a smoldering heap of metal when I fire it up in winter. lol. Some people believe anything.

            Thanks for the education, Hunter.

            • Hunter

              You’re most welcome.

              • Hunter


                +1 to you!

                ..I enjoy your posts!

          • jerrytbg

            If I may add Hunter,

            And the vast majority of that fuel was gone in a few seconds in the initial fireballs!

            I suspect anon7 works for nist…their report on building 7 was pure fantasy…

            • Hunter

              I strongly suspect you’re right!

              ..hold fast to your ‘gut logic’ analytic abilities Jerry, they’re serving you very well indeed!


              • jerrytbg

                Back at ya…

          • Anon7

            Hunter: Wrong a-hole, it burns much hotter than that. And besides, the flame temp is different at different levels of the flame and in a confined building it gets a lot hotter, in fact hot enough to cause expansion of steel beams and force a collapse especially when the entire floor in engulfed to near flashover temps. Stop pulling bad data from Wikipedia clown boy. Did your mom ever come by the station for some ‘hose’ drills. Perhaps your my son ‘sonny’.

      • Them Guys

        Banksers aint all they are called! At least by some wised up folk!

      • The Old Coach

        Steel didn’t have to melt, only lose stiffness. All you need is a dull read heat to bend steel bars with 1/4 the pressure that it takes when they are cold.

        • SovereignDennis

          Then please explain what happened to the to all the steel beams below the crash areas, and why the buildings came straight down. IF the steel melted as you claim there would have been a enormous pile of twisted steel all over the World Trade Center complex…not just dust and a few steels beams in the footprints…

        • Them Guys

          All they needed was Mossad israeli agents Posing as Janitors after hours, installing Thermite rope or whatever its called to burn Thru steel beams faster than Old Coach can say jewboy!

          • Not them guys

            As usual, paranoid rant.

        • .02

          and building 7 falls picture perfect into it’s own foot print out of sympathy.. *sigh* when are you people going to quit trying to justify the twin towers and ignore the GLARING ELEPHANT SITTING ON YOUR NUTS?

    13. maudy fricket

      Saudi Arabia was involved. The US government was involved. Why were the Saudis flown out of our country, when all other planes were grounded? Why invade Iraq? Why blame Iraq for something they didn’t do? Bush holds hands with and kisses the Saudi King. In public. No telling what Bush did in private with him.

    14. sixpack

      I’ll bet the Saudis are all laughing their asses off at us stupid Americans. They’ve always known that they got away with murder X 3000. They stabbed us in the back while they laughed in our faces AND jacked up the price of oil for one more slap in the face.

      …all the while, they sat and watched us chase our tails in Iraq and the middle east for over a decade. They watched us die for a lie that came spewing from our own government.

      And “We, the People” bought it hook, line and sinker…someone please get some pliers and help get the hook out of our mouths…

      I recently read an article where the Saudi prince tried to intimidate Putin, saying that the Saudis control ALL terrorists, and that the games in Sochi would be “protected” from a terrorist event IF Putin played ball in Libya…Putin didn’t bite.

      I’m rootin’ for Putin…

      • Canadian Vet

        I get the feeling that trying to intimidate Putin is a pointless effort. The guy was a rising star in the KGB, he probably wrote a book or six about intimidation. If anything, he does the intimidating.

        • ready down under

          Smacked OBumblers ass soundly over Syria. Told him in no uncertain terms just what he could/couldnt do and OBummer ran back to his kennel with his tail between his legs…..

          Never send a boy to do a mans job.


        • Pissed Off Granny

          We shouldn’t be in a hurry to pat Putin on the back.

          When asked after he left the Soviet Government, Gorbachev stated:

          “Do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnot and Perestyroika and democracy in THE COMING YEARS. These are primarily for outward consumption. THERE WILL NOT BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE WITHIN THE SOVIET UNION, OTHER THAN FOR COSMETIC PURPOSES.


          Do not be led to believe the tribe has ever given up its stranglehold on Russia. There is no way.

          • Canadian Vet

            I am not patting Putin on the back. Is am recognizing him for what he is: an extremely intelligent, charismatic and ruthless man with a plan and the stones to put it in motion. He has no regard for how the rest of the world views him and his policies. He is merciless to his enemies and stands by his friends, until they prove him not worthy of his loyalty.

            In short, I recognize him as a good friend to have and your worst nightmare as your enemy and extremely dangerous all around.

          • Pissed Off Granny

            In Soviet times the Communist “credo” was that everyone was equal (Obama’s Socialism?)–though the REALITY was different even then.

            Now the contrast is even WORSE. Rkussia has a population of 143.5 million people generating total household wealth of 750B, but 263B of that is owned by just 110 people. (Sound familiar?)

            Russia has the highest level of wealth inequity in the world, apart from small Caribbean nations with resident billionaires.

            Most of the RED to riches billionaires made their fortune by buying up highly prized assets of the old USSR, OR THROUGH SECURITY LUCRATIVE CONTRACTS AWARDED BY THE KREMLIN FOR WHICH THE CLOSEST POLITICAL CONNECTIONS ARE DEEMED NECESSARY. (Seems the US Federal Govt. has taken lessons from the Russians, doesn’t it?)

            “The situation in Russia has no parallel”, says Anthony Shorrocks of Global Economic Perspectives. “If you look how Russians have made their money and the sort of political ties that seem to be necessary to maintain it, there are few places where the situation is similar.”

            There has been no law allowing sale of land in Russia since the Bolsheviks nationalized it in 1917. There have been attempts to change the code to allow sale of land in Russia but fights have broken out between deputies in the Russian Parliament, the Duma, earlier this year.


            Article from

            Does this article sound like the Russia we hear about today, protrayed by the MSM? This article, to me, sounds like the PTB in the US are taking lessons from their relatives in Russia.

          • Boo

            You were ok until your last stupid sentence. I really hope something will smack you in the back of the head when you are fixated on your Jew hating just because you refused to look up and see it coming right at you from an angle you won’t expect.

            • Them Guys

              Hey BOO BOO! Go Back to Snatchin Pic-Nic Baskets fool…The Ranger

        • Hunter



          Per Putin…it recently came to light regarding his statement as to what it was like negotiating with Obama, back during the height of the then pending invasion of Syria, not long ago…where he said:

          “Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon, first he knocks over all the pieces and shits on the board, then he struts around claiming…he won the game!!!!”

          -PRICELESS in my opinion-

          • sixpack

            That’s one of my top 10 favorite quotes. All I’m saying is that I wish our leader was half as nationalistic as Putin. Just to have a leader who put his own country FIRST, above foreign interests would help this country a lot. We have been sold out to foreign interests and the global banking system….while our “leader” pisses down his own leg and collects his cash incentives.

            Notice that no one is apparently blackmailing Putin into handing his country’s sovereignty over. We should hope for better than we have.

        • gone under

          stay out of russian movie/opera theaters.

      • Mountain Trekker

        We may like Putin cause he projects that Macho image we like to see, but you better never forget, he’s a Full Blown Communist and No Fried of Freedom! Trekker Out. Freedom Ain’t Free!

        • maddog

          The majority of the US government is now commies. MT, were fucked just look at their back grounds. Putin looks like a founding father compared to Ocommie

        • buttcrackofdoom

          take out putin’s name and insert obama…..amazing, aint it? at least the russians tell the truth about america on RT….pathetic we gotta go to russia to get truth about what’s going on in america?

          • buttcrackofdoom

            @mountain trekkers post

      • JayJay

        Oh, Sixpack, I read Saudi prince agreed to give Russia controls of oil business profits there(since oil there is nearly depleted) if they went after Iran.
        Putin didn’t bite there either.

        • sixpack

          Well, they obviously can’t get no blackmail leverage, so they had to resort to bribery. Telling isn’t it? As ex KGB, Putin would more likely be the blackmailer than the blackmailee.

          Our congress and supreme court should sit up and take notes…

    15. toivo

      Now this I can believe that saudi arabia had something to do with it. Not much of a conspiracy therory just some more players who got caught. We all knew some other big entity had major involvement, they had to. As far as Isreal or cheney or bush I dont think they did, but if they covered up saudi connection then that is treason.

      • sixpack

        I don’t think any foreign entity could get NORAD and the air force to stand down—that order pretty much had to come from inside, from the upper echelon.

    16. Sgt. Dale

      This article said that the Saudis had a lot to do with it but it doesn’t say WHY. If I was to make a guess I would have to say that it was to get the USA to implement all of these laws restricting our RIGHTS. They also what us to become politically correct. (Where you can’t say any thing against the muslims.) Then they what to implement sharia law.

      You see you can stop CHRISTANS form doing what like, or praying or having a area for Christians to pray, but they will bust their asses to set up something for the muslims to have an area. Don’t get me wrong I don’t care if they let them do their thing. Just let me do my thing!!!!

      Now we have a muslim president, That is OK as long as he doesn’t try to ram his religion down my throat. But you and I know that they are going to try. Look around you there is so much bad that some of the rules of the muslim live by would stop a lot of them.
      What has stop them from taking over is our 2ND. Admendment. This is why we have had all these false flag gun attacks.

      They only reason we don’t do something to the Saudis is because of the oil and the items they buy from us. Our economy would collapse if the nations in the mid east would stop trading with us.


      What the hell is up with this site if you don’t capitalize muslim you don’t spell it write. If you capitalize 2Nd. Admendment its not spelled right. Bull Shit!!!!

      • maudy fricket

        The Saudis had good reason to take part in 9/11. It gave Bush the fake reason he wanted to take out the Saudis worst threat, Saddam.

        • Sgt. Dale

          Bush didn’t attack Saddam after 9/11 he went after Afghanistan. He went after Saddam for WMD’s? So the Saudis had no reason to attack the US, other than there are some muslims wanting to take over the world. These are the new bad guys on the block.
          Don’t get me wrong I a friend that is a Muslim, and he tells me that the religion that they are practicing is so extreme he has no idea where the are coming from.

    17. Caliber

      The problem with trying to prove any conspiracy theory about 9/11, is that many real patriots are republicans. and, unfortunately, like any cheerleader for a political party, most republicans wont admit anything bad about Bush and the republican party.
      its exactly like the blind sheep following Obama.
      We are so caught up in rep. vs dem. – team blue VS. team red. that we cant even see the truth.
      government is corrupt. all of it.

      • The Old Coach

        Oh, I dunno. I’ve been (somewhat ashamedly) a Republican since I was old enough to vote, and I didn’t love GWB much. Plaid-pants Republican, as we called them in my youth. Old money, inflated sense of entitlement, spent more time at the country club than at work. Not corrupt in the venal sense, just too much “go along to get along” so that they won’t miss the really good cocktail parties. My sister married one. After a couple of years around him, I find them easy to spot, believe me.

        My old Dad was “Swamp Yankee” Republican stock, old New England farmers and small tradesmen. That’s what would be called the Tea Party today.

        Real corruption is a Democrat thing, being historically the party of immigrants, unions, and the mafias, (Irish included).

        • Pissed Off Granny

          Wonder if their cocktail parties were held after or before their skull and bones meetings?

        • Boo

          “Real corruption is a Democrat thing, being historically the party of immigrants…” Where do you get that idea? As I recall the KKK was started to protect the hold of the Democrats in the south and one of their big targets were immigrants.

    18. braveheart

      I’ve always known ever since that day that the US govt. was behind the attacks. I’ve seen many reports of Saudi and Pakistani involvement, but never any proof, although it sounds plausible. If their involvement can be proven, then we should break all ties with those 2 countries and especially stop buying Saudi oil. My home in Memphis sits underneath one of the direct flight paths for Memphis International Airport. I still remember ‘Black Tuesday’ very clearly. I still remember when the order was given for no air traffic except military aircraft in US airspace. It was so eerie not seeing or hearing any aircraft for 3 days straight after the attacks. It seems that the coverup on 9-11-2001 will never end. So much documented and video evidence lost forever. What really happened to the people on all 4 of those aircraft? We’ll most likely never know that one either. All of those ‘Muslims with box cutters’ had help from someone; US govt. without question. the feds staged this false-flag attack as a significant excuse to take us further down the road to one-world communist government. I still remember when Bush Jr. declared, “You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists.” I knew right then it was FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG. I still say to this day that Bush Jr. and Sr. can get f#$%ed along with the monkey in the WH. MOLON LABE braveheart

      • braveheart

        Sgt. Dale, good day to you and I totally agree. braveheart

      • BlueH20


        Not lost. First, we have the redacted 7k words that some critters have seen and are speaking out about. Second, we have whatever Snowden has that NSA itself calls “The keys to the kingdom”. That is valuable enough for some of the intelligence wonks to suggest amnesty for their return.

        Cat’s outta the bag. And I was one who could never buy the involvement of our own government, but is changing their mind. I do remember attending a social gathering about nine months after 9/11 and having a young woman speak out against the term “Homeland”. She was really torqued about that. At the time, I supported the Patriot Act. Now: not so much since I am watching it used against real American Patriots.

        However, I am not waiting for Americans en masse to wake up. When I run through the family and friends list and add acquaintances and clients, I see people too comfortable to question or do anything other than accept what they are told by their *trusted* sources. Oh, maybe a few are being impacted by ObamaCare and most will be very impacted by any move to put their investments into Treasuries, but they will continue to be docile.

        • braveheart

          Blue H20, maybe more revelations about 911 will come out later, but I doubt if we ever get the FULL STORY. Remember how fast the Patriot Act was rushed through Congress? Not one legislator was given any time to read any of it. I knew it was illegitimate on its face. I also knew the real purpose behind the creation of DHS would be a new tool of oppression and terror against our people. Why would they bring in former high-ranking officials from the Soviet KGB AND Markus Wolf, the head of the former East German Stasi, to help create the DHS? IT’S NOT TO PROTECT THE NATION FROM ANY FOREIGN TERRORIST GROUP, BUT TO PROTECT THE GOVERNMENT FROM THE PEOPLE. THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE USED AGAINST WE THE PEOPLE. One day the DHS will be unleashed against us and when that happens, all bets are off. It will be party time. MOLON LABE braveheart

          • North Georgia Idiot

            I think you need a good piece of ass to calm you down braveheart!

        • The Old Coach

          He’s a damned fool if he takes amnesty from that lot. As soon as the news media can distract the proles with the latest Miley Cyrus, he’ll have a car accident, or an overdose of something. (Polonium cocktail, maybe?)

      • Sgt. Dale


    19. Okie rebel

      If I remember right, the SEC covered and protected the folks who shorted the airlines before the attack so no one could follow the money. They were all in on it. We know it and now, they know we know, how low they are capable of going. May God have mercy upon their soles at judgement day

      • maddog

        He better because I don’t plan on any mercy for the shitbags when the reset comes.

      • Mountain Trekker

        Okie, I love the SEC, Missouri played for the Championship in football in the SEC and as of today Mizzou is #1 in Basketball in the SEC. And now we get to play OKie State in the Cotton Bowl. But I didn’t know the SEC was involved in airlines. Trekker Out. No Joke!

      • Boo

        Soles? Are their fish in trouble or their feet? ;0

    20. Brian Hughes

      Don’t let these assholes divide us apart. I know we have our differences with races in America here but most of all we get along ok. As reading this article I started to get more mad and was thinking the only thing the government does is divides us apart and try to get each other mad while taking focus off their scandels. Then another scandel comes out and we chase that and we don’t all focus and bring this stuff to light. I don’t know how these assholes live with themselves. I hope none of you ever fight one another but these people who are trying to control us and brainwash our cops. They know if they can keep us contained they can get away with everything. There has to be big hush hush to pay sheriffs and captains etc who are in charge of police officers. I fear violence is comming soon. Don’t ever fire from your house or they got ya. Wipe off all shells and try to pick them up too if you can. You can’t go for the body since they could have ceramic armor but most cops carry level 3A that stops most hand pistols. Femor/shattered pelvis shots or face shots is something you may want to think about if it comes down to it. always carry a knive and know where it is quickly. IF someone puts you in a headlock and you cant get out, use a knife deep into his leg and tear hard or into his chest if you can, but you must do quickly before you pass out.

      • Genius

        You can’t go for the body since they could have ceramic armor but most cops carry level 3A that stops most hand pistols. Femor/shattered pelvis shots or face shots is something you may want to think about if it comes down to it.
        Yep Brian how true! BUT, I don’t think even with all the armour they would fair to well against a 300 win mag or 30-06, busted ribs and internal injuries would not only take them out but require that more of them be used to treat them. Logistically, wounding severely takes more of them out than just doing them in. If all you have is a smaller caliber then aim for what you mentioned. Good post Brian!

        • Warchild

          Does not steel core ammo cut thru most body armors?As for the knife Brian might consider the kerambit,due to it’s design effective even in tight situations were a standard knife might not be,hope non of this is needed for anyone but like a spare tire,better to have and not need then need and not have.

          • Genius

            Warchild, I think level3 will stop a 7.62×39 and I have read some will even stop a 30-06. A .223 with steel core isn’t that impressive as it has very little steel and a small projectile. Now an 06 with steel core would be a lot more damaging. A 300 win mag can be loaded to 4000 ft. pounds of energy 33% more powerful than a 30-06. You could load that with a .30 cal. steel core and have a formidable anti armour tool.

            • Warchild

              Hmmmm…,was thinking .308.As you can get jackets of copper for different rounds think you could make your own steel core,sure,perhaps not legal but if it hits the fan the laws are the last things to worry about!On a side note might have a Weatherby .300!

    21. AnthonyH

      “… it’s about time the damn media took notice…”

      Is that all? Should we rely on those who were complicit in the crime to bring redress?

      Men have been wishing for this nonsense for ten thousand years… and we have yet to see an example of it.

      If there is to be redress, we have to duplicate what American Founders did… who merely copied what English rebels did.

      Here is an intro to how English rebels brought down judges and bishops, tax collectors and kings who thot they could tax and impose debt without the consent of intended victims: (

      They employed procedures that Americans won with their Revolution; and which is wrongly known as “the right of redress”: it is actually the “power” of redress. And, there’s probably not a lawyer, judge, or law professor who will, or can, tell you about it.

    22. Southern Border

      From what Iv’e seen I think the Twin Towers & Building 7 were brought down with explosives, the planes flying into them were the cover story imo. I’m sure there’s a whole lot of other things that they are lying to us about as well, greedy sonsofbitches are going to be hard to stop at this point !

      • HD74Man

        @SB… I think the Twin Towers & Building 7 were brought down with explosives, the planes flying into them were the cover story

        Read the book, “Crossing the Rubicon”-The Decline of the American Empire in the Age of Oil” by LA detective Michael Ruppert. According to his research Dick Cheney was behind it all. Testimony by various pilots say, no way could the hijackers/terrorists trained on Cessna’s in FL put those 747’s into the towers. They were radio controlled with the operational electronics set up on the upper floors of Building No. 7. The “informed sources” say, the building went down as “collateral” damage from the main towers. However, watch videos of the building collapse. It’s the same “pancaking” effect you see when demolition teams take down obsolete buildings in an urban setting. The entire deal was to line the coffers of Haliburton and other defense contractors and strip the country and its citizenry of their Constitutional rights and turn the place into a Marxist slave camp. We are all living the resultant horror every day now.

        • CB

          What most if not almost all people forget is the interview with the owner of the buildings. He said in that interview, these buildings were designed to take multiple hits/crashes of our biggest airliners, without structure failure.

          I know and have spoke to several military EOD guys who have said several times over, we can see the planned and coordinated explosives going off in the videos. But still the sheep believe what they are told…

          • Hunter


            The herd-animals wouldn’t believe it if the EOD guys gave them a LIVE demonstration, on the application of det. cord!!!

        • Warchild

          HD,believe in theory the pilots also trained in large jet 3D simulators in US,according to one instructor,then one thing they didn’t train was landing skills!

        • mountain man 6-1

          @ HD74Man……I wouldn’t DOUBT IT ! DickHead Cheney thinks he’s smarter than GOD !!!…..hate arrogance…mm

      • braveheart

        Southern Border, some years ago I watched a video about 9-11 titled “Hide In Plain Sight” by Dave Von Kleist and there was speculation about the planes actually being missiles disguised as aircraft and the Twin towers were allegedly brought down by nukes. that was in 2005 shortly before Katrina. I’ve been reserving my judgment on that because I have yet to come across any evidence to back it up, although it seems plausible up to a point.

    23. Buzzfix

      The bottom line is there all in Co hoots, we’ll never know the complete truth and, we lost control of our country along time ago. Until the people are pushed to the point of revolution, nothing will change. The only way to get away from all this madness is to go, “Amish” go off grid. Find away to make income and pay no taxes and no longer be apart of mainstream society. Have nothing to do with the, “system” anymore. Not a thing! To hell with it all!!

      • Warchild

        Buzz,agree completely with dropping off as much as possible.

    24. Okie rebel

      For what it is worth, this is what gives me comfort. When it will be the absolute darkest for God’s people, us, satan will reveal to his minions who are doing his work, the truth of what will befall them. Satan will tell his minions, they backed the wrong horse and God’s vengeance is about to be poured out on them. At that time, Satan’s minions will cry out for the rocks and mountains to fall on them to protect them from God’s vengeance. I could and probably am wrong about details but this version of reality gives me comfort.

      • Warchild

        Eh,don’t consider myself one of gods people unless was signed up without consent,then definitely don’t consider myself one of gods people!That said,have no doubts that those who perpetuate evil on a large scale will be punished and for the mere fact there is this life may be a next chapter in the book.Any religious beliefs I have would probably be considered pagan or blasphemy as nature is god to me.

    25. GoneWithTheWind

      So remind me again what was the source of the $500 million funding that Obama received from overseas? Wasn’t it from Saudi Arabia?

      • Pissed Off Granny

        Just to remind every one again:

        You only need to google the donaters of both Obama’s campaign and Romneys campaign to realize that the money coming from the Saudi’s was pocket change compared to the tribes money.

        The information is there. It will show you exactly who owns the two parties.

        • Tactical

          POG…as usual you make my day worth living with your truthful and intelligent comments.

          p.s. my advise to the idiots who thumbs down on such comments…..SUCK ON IT.

          • SilverSax

            My advice to the Ignorant Bigots –
            Grow Up, Get a Life and Read a Book.

            • SilverSax

              P.S. – It’s “advice”, not “advise”.

    26. Anonymous

      Hillary Clinton is the cog in the wheel of this attack. Look also to Valerie Jarrett, and their underlings. This is tied heavily to the Muslim Brotherhood by way of the Saudis.

    27. Matt

      Mac, I can totally get that the Saudis could have been involved. But where things get … kookoo … is when people start including the Israelis in on the Conspiracy.

      Israel and the Saudis can’t stand each other and yet they’re going to coordinate an attack? What would be the benefit to Israel of such a thing?

      • CB

        The question is, “who do both Israel and the Saudis hate so much that would bring them together”?

      • Tactical

        Since when Israel and the Saudis can’t stand each other? The new wave of man eating monsters under the name of the Syrian Army who are killing Christians and muslims alike are funded by Israel and the Saudis and our own CIA.

        Matt this is not a personal attack against you but the major problem in the US and among the regular Americans who are decent and hardworking people is the lack of research as who does what in the world. Without getting into details I just advise you to google the relationships between the major Wall street players. You’ll discover the root cause of the evil is the central banks and the satanic greed of those who use the name of the all mighty as a tool to commit crimes against humanity. They just call it different God since they all are Godless souls and earth would be a better place without them and people can live together in peace without their daily pollution of the truth.

        • Hunter


          BRAVO and AMEN!!!

      • Smokey

        No benefit to the Israelis whatsoever. Already allies, and the risk of ending that relationship certainly outweighs any imagined benefit.

        Some conspiracy theories are just whacko.

        • Ahab

          @ Smokey — “No benefit to the Israelis…”

          Have you ever heard of “Operation Iraqi Freedom?” How about the resulting destruction of the Iraqi state and the approximately one million dead “towel heads?”

          • Smokey

            OK, Ahab, you tell us all how destabilizing the Middle East has benefitted the Israelis.

            They’re in a low-grade war in Gaza and Lebanon, and looking at Iran, and Syria is going to fall apart. Egypt will turn on them at the first chance they get. Educate us all how the Israelis are happy with all that.

        • Tactical

          Smokey, YOU ARE SO WRONG. Read and research more. Many outstanding educators on this site as well. Try to understand the definition of true allies and enemies.

      • JayJay

        Well, Matt, that IS the plan.
        More conspiracies, more enemies, and more confusion on the sheeple’s part.
        Keep them confused.

      • Ahab

        You’re not very informed, Matt. There are many examples of Israeli-Saudi cooperation. For example, Israel covertly cooperated with Pakistan to funnel weapons (paid for by the Saudis) to the Afghan Mujaheddin in the 1980’s. Later on, both the Saudi and Israeli regimes wanted Saddam gotten rid of, and both used their “influence” on the feckless group of scoundrels and traitors in Congress and the Bush White House to get the US to invade Iraq in 2003. Most recently, in 2012, Israel and Saudi sent irregular forces (terrorists) who they both equipped and trained into Syria to topple the Bashir al-Assad government, which both Israhell and Saudi vehemently oppose.

        • Hunter

          Glad to see you back, Ahab.

        • Boo

          When Ahab says “informed” he means “indoctrinated.” Not much difference between him and a leftist troll.

    28. ENFP

      Don’t think the Saudi government is any more to blame than our own government. I never believed a false flag of this magnitude could occur in this country until I saw convincing documentaries in Europe and found around 1/3 of Europeans believe it was an inside job on top of the terrorist attack. My European friend told me when it happened to watch who benefits from this. Now we can see it is police state Amerika that benefits.

      • Hunter


        You left out the REAL beneficiaries and co-conspirators. What happened? Couldn’t choke out the forbidden word(s)?

        Ok, in order to salve the tender zio-beliefs of some here, I’ll give the REAL beneficiaries a new and pleasant (descriptive) title…

        –Let’s call them the ‘BORN AGAIN BABYLONIANS’–

        • Tactical

          AMEN Hunter.

          • Boo

            Looky here- a sock puppet show.

    29. CB

      Military combat Veteran, former 3 letter alphabet agency officer, and I don’t trust the bastards period.

    30. Muhamed

      But, but, but the 9-11 commissions says no evidence supports the fact that any Saudi nationals ever left the country within 2-3 dys of 911…if they say it, then it must be true. I mean, our government would NEVER lie to us….I mean, it’s all for our own safety and our own good, right?
      — American sheeple (circa 2001-present)

    31. VRF

      hey, they don’t need “Proof” to fuck with us or throw us in prison..lets return the favor

      • VRF

        line um all up and rope um!

        • Hunter


          ..Rope ’em?

          Hmmmmm?….you just may be onto something there.

          Rope ’em and brand ’em, via a red-hot (big letters) branding iron that reads ‘TRAITOR’…across their foreheads!

          Then spay and neuter ’em for posterity’s sake!

          +1 to ya.

    32. Kevin2

      For the Saudi Arabians what was to be gained? Did they also desire for the US to run roughshod throughout the Islamic world to keep the fragile oil peg in place and secure? Why would a US invasion of Afghanistan be in the Saudi’s best interest? Why would securing a zone to run oil from the Stans unfettered by Russia be in the Saudi’s best interest? Lastly why would the Saudi’s trust a nation willing to kill its own people? Would not a prudent Monarch say to themselves, “why would they not kill me”?

      I buy that there is a lot of crooked backstabbing going on and that little grey beings have visited the planet but I always look a motive.

      The only thing I see from this is greater justification for more spying by the various intelligence agencies.

    33. Kulafarmer

      A real good SHTF food,,,
      A good portion of the world lives on rice,
      You can cook it up and eat it steaming hot with chili sauce or soy sauce or whatever???
      You can grind it into flour and make flatbread like stuff,,
      Once cooked will keep for a couple days before going bad,
      Get a Musibi press on Amazon, is the perfect size for what we call Spam musubi,
      You put about 3/4 cup or more cooked rice in the press and stick a cooked slice of spam on it, press it together,, and Voila! Spam musubi, i like to put a teri sauce on the spam as i cook it, makes it sweeter. Then use the teriyaki nori to wrap around the spam musubi, is good, get creative, pickled ginger or daikon or ????

      • Kulafarmer

        Heres a lonk for the press

        Teriyaki chicken is good too, if your vegitarian, sandwich sauteed veggies in between two layers of rice,,,

        You put the cut Nori into the press first, just dip it quickly in sweetened water or mirin place it in press then add other ingredients then press, fold the nori over itself, if its wet it sticks to itself and the rice…

      • Hunter


        Doctors in the bush (3rd world) have long used rice flour mixed with salt and purified water to combat dehydration associated with cholera.

        It works rather well in the diseases early stages , so I’m told.

      • buttcrackofdoom

        hawaiians eat a lot of spam, rice, and corn i hear….a little soy sause and it’s pretty damn GOOD….i got hundreds of pounds of rice and a lot of teriyake, soy, bbq, tomato sause, enchillada sause, cream of mushroom soup….and a BUNCH of other stuff to make it edible when SHTF…..but remember one VERY IMPORTANT thing…it takes a LOT of water to make rice, beans, macaroni….and water will be PRICELESS. possibly even MORE EXPENSIVE after SHTF! 2 gallons per person per day!

        • Boo

          Toss a little wood ash in with the corn to make it more digestible (something the Indians knew about corn that we’ve forgotten).

    34. Merlin

      could it be that the rats are starting to sell each other out?

    35. mesquite

      I seem to remember Saudi Arabia just recently pushing us to strike Iran

    36. SWFL

      — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom —
      – So now there is a difference?

    37. CrabbeNebulae

      Incandescent light bulbs… get them while you still can. After 1 Jan, they will be illegal to manufacture in or import into the US. Big box store stockpiles will probably run out after 3 to 6 months.

      Picked a couple huge cabbages from the garden yesterday and made a big jar of sauerkraut. Homemade sauerkraut… nothing like it. Lip smackin good. Granted, I have a very large garden but… for those of you who are limited in space, you don’t need a huge plot of land to grow 15 or 20 cabbages and they are nutritious and a great natural survival food.

      • Hunter


        Recipe and procedure please!
        Would be much appreciated…thanks.

        ..details are important also. I want to try making/fermenting/canning my own.

        • buttcrackofdoom

          google it. i agree, we used to make it when i was a kid and it was great….ultra easy to make…just can’t remember quite what went in it. but i betcha google will be yer friend today!

          • Hunter

            Thanks BCD!

            ..its been a long day!

        • JRS

          Hunter…here’s how you do it.

          Get a food grade bucket.
          Peel outer cabbage leaves from about 6 or 7 nice heads of cabbage. (Probably around 25-30 lbs)
          Quarter heads and slice thin strips or better yet, use a slaw cutter.
          Put the shredded cabbage in bucket about a quart at a time. Add a couple tsp of plain salt (non-iodine) and mix up by hand.
          I have a home made “stomper” that I made from a rounded off length of 2×4. Stomp the kraut in the bucket to break it up and release the juice.
          Take a suitable plastic bag and put about a gallon of water in it and tie off
          Place water bag on top of kraut. This seals out mold, etc. Cover with towel and put in cool spot for a month or so.
          Check it every so often to make sure it is juicing up. If not, add some salt water to cover.
          You can “can” it up when done in water bath for around 15 minutes or it will keep in the bucket for a long time.
          If it gets a scum on top, that won’t hurt anything. Just scoop it off and use. Good stuff.
          I have a crock, but I like the bucket just as well.

          • Hunter


            Thank you very much. I owe you one!

      • buttcrackofdoom

        PFFT! what about all the OTHER unconstitutional laws they DO enforce? what a bunch of hypocrites!

    38. maddog

      Not surprised. Isn’t this how all the evil acts in this country ends, eventually the truth leaks and we find out someone in our fucked up government either knew it was coming or was directly involved. What surprises me is the American sheeple do nothing. Has anyone watched any commie news cannel recently (abc, cbs fox nbc). They report nothing. Its all shit, absolutely nothing but bullshit. CBS had there commie FBI propaganda expert John on this morning blowing smoke up America’s ass as to the government version of the NSA. Please, even a libdard should be able to see nothing told to the sheeple is true or real. What I can say for sure, tomorrow another scandal will surface and this one will fall away into the pile of forgotten scandals and the sheeple will joyfully graze on news of molly and cardashy’s new implants. Well off to instigate the badly needed and way overdue “RESET”.

    39. 1940just me

      if this were true, why is there no one Indicted? about every 3 months someone puts out the story about the towers being an inside job and that’s the end of it, just like the Kennedy assignation, a lot of talk just to keep the public stirred up.

      • Hunter

        1940 JM-

        Because the ‘RULE of LAW’ only applies to us peons!

        The Powers That Be are exempt…and the f%&kers always collect the $200 dollars when they jump…

        ..pass – go!!!

    40. Phoenix1960

      I have found Kenneth Timmerman’s book “Countdown to Crisis fascinating reading.

      I believe the Saudis were trying to get us to take a go at Iran much like there’s a Saudi push for Israel to go at them today. Just speculating but it would seem plausible that some in our government became aware and used the knowledge of the attack to further their agenda. It seems to me that the second thrust planned through Turkey but denied might have been the intended forces for an Iranian action.

      As it was we had Iran surrounded on all sides with invasion forces and bases – all one had to do was look at the map to see the makings for blockade instead of direct military action, a change I think was made after Turkeys refusal to allow use of their territory.

      I don’t have problem with mechanics of airplanes and buildings like some do – just think political advantage was taken of the impending event.

      A few points he made,

      I revealed key details of the Iran/al-Qaida relationship in “Countdown to Crisis: The Coming Nuclear Showdown with Iran.”

      • Top al-Qaida leaders, including Ayman al Zawahri and Saad bin Laden, traveled to Iran in early 2001 to win Iranian cooperation in the 9/11 plot, according to an Iranian eyewitness of those meetings. Top among their requests were assistance in getting al-Qaida operatives into and out of Afghanistan without being detected by U.S. intelligence networks in Pakistan.

      • The CIA was warned of Iran’s growing ties with al-Qaida, and of Iran’s intention to carry out a massive terrorist operation against the United States jointly with al-Qaida, by an Iranian defector who walked into the U.S. Embassy in Baku, Azerbaijan in July 2001. The CIA dismissed the warning and called the defector “a fabricator.”

      • Not long before 9/11, a private company used as a front by Iranian intelligence purchased a Boeing 757/767/777 simulator through commercial contacts, according to another Iranian defector who had personal knowledge of the companies and individuals involved in the purchase. Iran did not then, and does not today own such aircraft. The planes hijacked on 9/11 were Boeing 757s and Boeing 767s.

      • Several al-Qaida operatives convicted of terrorist crimes in Europe have said in open court that before 9/11 they were ordered to get travel documents from Iranian embassies in Europe and to travel through Iran to reach Afghanistan as a means of eluding U.S. surveillance.

      • The United States government detected a “rat line” set up by Iran to evacuate several hundred al-Qaida terrorists and their families from Afghanistan to Iran in late 2001 and early 2002. The Iranians used army helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, and convoys of Nissan Patrols for the al-Qaida rat line.

      • Since then, Iran has continued to provide shelter, sanctuary, training and other material support to al-Qaida operatives and served as a rear base for al al-Qaida operations in neighboring Iraq.

      • U.S. negotiations with Iran in early 2003 fell apart after Iran refused to hand over Saad Bin Laden and other top al-Qaida operatives then living in Iran.

      • The U.S. severed all contacts with Iran in May 2003, after they intercepted orders from al-Qaida operatives in Iran to a cell in Saudi Arabia to initiate a bloody wave of terrorist attacks in Riyadh that the Saudis called their 9/11.

      • Imad Mugniyeh was Iran’s chief liaison to al-Qaida both during the preparation phase of the 9/11 plot, and afterwards.

      • Several sources report that Osama bin Laden visited Iran to meet with senior government leaders in November 2004.

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    41. .02

      from 0 hedge: there is no means under the sun or by the divine will of any God (pick one doesn’t matter) that the situation as it is played out now will change. Nobody in power wants it to change, you cannot change it without power, they will not share power, and nobody willing to change how power is distributed and used will be allowed to get anywhere near the real power. Stick a fork in it, it’s done.

    42. allen heart

      Blaming Saudis only fits a policy that is slowly coming into the light. There were no Muslims or Arab hijackers. That was all contrived. Several of those men blamed for 9-11 complained publicly that their names and photos were being wrongfully used. They had NOT crashed into WTC or the Pentagon. They were alive and well…and pissed. Director of the FBI, Mueller, admitted that there might have been stolen IDs and that there was no hard evidence, a case could not be made to stand up in court. In fact one of the accused Arabs had died a year earlier and another had had his passport stolen in Denver while at school in 1994 and reported stolen.

      What we did learn from the flawed evidence is who somebody wanted blamed. Those who support the “Muslims-did-it” conspiracy theory are either easily mislead or part of the cover up.

      The new “revelations” about Saudi-involvement are part of the swing toward blaming the Saudis as they soon become our enemies while sheltering Israel. We lust after petroleum and the Arabs have a lot of it.

    43. Ranch

      Israel did 9/11 — read for the best summary. Under every rock is an israeli.

      “I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period . . . And the Zionists are playing this as truly an all-or-nothing exercise, because if they lose this one, if the American people ever realize what happened, they’re done.”

      -Dr Alan Sabrosky, March 2010 Alan Sabrosky is a writer and consultant specializing in national and international security affairs. In December 1988, he received the Superior Civilian Service Award after more than five years of service at the U.S. Army War College as Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute, and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research. He is listed in WHO’S WHO IN THE EAST (23rd ed.). A Marine Corps Vietnam veteran and a 1986 graduate of the U.S. Army War College, Dr. Sabrosky’s teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University; while in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). Dr. Sabrosky has lectured widely on defense and foreign affairs in the United States and abroad.

      • Hunter


        THUMBS UP!!!!!!!!!!!

    44. anonymous

      Saudi Arabia may well have assisted in the attacks by financing the alleged hijackers (or perhaps we should call them the “patsies”). The three building detonations could only have been due to explosions within the buildings (the nature of which is still under discussion and debate). Only a state actor could have planted this much explosive. The leading suspect is the government Israel. The only other possible (although less likely) suspect would be the government of the United States.
      The other government that played a vital “enabling” role allowed the hijacked airplanes to proceed without interception to crash into the buildings. This other government also acted (and still acts today) to cover up the true nature of the attacks. I am of course talking about the government of the United States.

      • buttcrackofdoom

        i did read an account of a bunch of semi-trucks going into the WTC’s for a few weeks just before 9/11…it was surmised that they were unloading the explosives it took to bring them down….the person was saying every morning from like 2am to 5am they would do this. me, i’m on the fence, don’t know what to believe….but i DO hear the gubmint LYING every morning on CNBS when reporting those numbers on unemployment, inflation, industrial production…you name it, they make up the numbers to sugarcoat EVVVEEERRRRRYYYYthing….but i guess it’s not really sugarcoating is it?…it’s just LYING to pretend everything’s ok. PFFT!….i prefer to think of these lies as MUCH WORSE than pretending.

    45. ZombieDawg

      Well.. try voting for people of integrity and then you’ll get full disclosure.
      You are what you eat and you deserve who you vote for..
      dumb bastards…

      • Archivist

        There were no people of integrity on any of the ballots I’ve seen lately.

        • buttcrackofdoom

          i saw a choice between a shit sandwich ….and a shit sandwich MYSELF!

      • Ahab

        How is anybody supposed to vote for “people of integrity,” when AIPAC doesn’t allow them on the ballot?

    46. JayJay

      Israeli company provided all software for ALL US agencies during 9/11.
      Yes they did–Norad, SS, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, U.S. Customs, IRS, INS, EPA, Interior Dept., U.S. Marshal’s Service…every agency was provided software to accomplish these malfunctions that infiltrated the most guarded building on the planet with a multi-billion dollar defense system by 19 cave-dwelling Arabs with box-cutters??

      • Pissed Off Granny

        True story, JayJay. Wasn’t any Saudi that set this horrific event in motion. It was the Israelie Mossad.

        • SilverSax

          Right. They flew it over from Israel in black helicopters.

    47. gone under

      @ BI… Ive had my say last time this topic came up and will not repeat myself. Feel free to join in, they wont bite… Respect. Dave

    48. Ahab

      “It was the Saudis, the Saudis…” Maybe so, but the Saudis are not the ONLY foreign government whose fingerprints are all over 9/11.

      Here is some reportage from 2001 from FOX-News (from whose online archives it quickly VANISHED) on the role played by ISRAELI spies in the lead-up to 9/11, and it includes the TELEVISED admission of one of the “Dancing Israeli” Mossad team – apprehended on 9/11 while they celebrated the falling of the towers from the safety of New Jersey – that they were there (quote) “to document the event.” To “document” an event, one must first KNOW that there is going to BE an “event.” Hence, “our closest ally” and the “only democracy” in the Middle East had conclusive prior knowledge of the TIME and PLACE of the 9/11 attacks, and colluded with “our” government (which they control) to ensure these planes CRASHED into the WTC and Pentagon without interference.

      9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that the Zionist Entity cooperated strategically with the Saud dynasty (who are said by some to be descended from Iraqi Jews); the latest example of such “cooperation” was their 2012 attempt to drag the USA into the Syrian Civil war on the side of Al-Qaeda.

      P.S. This video is posted for the benefit of that handful of useful white idiots in flyover country (religious or not) who regularly and proudly proclaim their Israel-Love in this forum. Watch this video and see what BLOODY TRAITORS to the USA these Scofield-Bible-humping wannabe Semite cultists really are. That goes DOUBLE for their “ministers” and “preachers,” who are nothing but POLITICAL COMMISSARS for our Zionist Occupation Government. Don’t believe it? Then ask yourselves this question: if “our” government is NOT Zionist controlled, why weren’t US Stealth bombers over TEL-AVIV the day after these revelations came out and a MOSSAD agent confessed official Israeli foreknowledge of the attacks on Israeli TV (as shown in the last minute of this video)?

    49. NC joe

      Sounds like you are beating the drums of war. I bet you own stock in a defense contractor and are attempting to incite the U.S. citizenry into a war frenzy against the Saudis so you can cash in. That is my conspiracy theory, which is just as valid as yours.

      • Kevin2

        NC joe

        ” That is why you idiots need to put as much, if not more, effort into preventing a collapse.”

        You said the above. Please explain how we can accomplish your suggestion.

        • Pissed Off Granny

          Kevin 2:

          Surely you haven’t been holding your breath waiting for an answer since we both posed that question to NC Joe on the last shtf article, have you?

          • Kevin2

            Pissed off Granny

            I have a lot of free time and my memory happens to be pretty good. It’s a valid question so no harm in asking.

      • braveheart

        ncjoe, sounds like you’re just doing your usual trolling, so f#$% you!

    50. Mark

      And just where is Israhole mentioned in this article???? Nothing the size of 911 could of pulled off without them. Masters of Deception and pure frickin evil. Could this info mentioned above be a diversion from the leader of Satan’s gang?

    51. John_Allen

      Saud is the name of the extended family that after centuries of jockeying for position finally succeeded in bringing rival tribes under their rule in the early 20th Century. Arabia is the somewhat poetic name for the geography the Saud family owns and rules.

      There isn’t a “Saudi Arabian Government” the way there is a government in Alabama or France. The Saud Family practices a strict, rigid, history-knowing version of Sunni Islam known as Wahhabism. Wahhab is/was one of the tribal families that rule the country. The House of Saud agreed to a deal with the Wahhabs: we will run the secular affairs and you run the religious things.

      Islam IS the government. Sharia is their legal system. To proclaim a disjunct between “their government” and their off-shoot of Sunni marks the speaker as knowing nothing about the place.

      If the US stopped buying their oil tomorrow they have sufficient thousands of billions of our money to feel no pain until the tenth succeeding generation.

      However, the everyday non-royal Saud subject would be hurting badly.

      If we can, let’s see if we can avoid going to war with Iran for the actual purpose of “defending” our “friends” the Israelis and the Saudi Royal Family. That would just make a sad trauma on our history even worse.

      Sources: Dore Gold, Hatred’s Kingdom. Michael Scheuer, Through Our Enemies Eyes.

    52. kinky

      So the plan for Iran is shelved and Saudi Arabia is on the anvil? But I thought they’re going to bomb Iran from Saudi airbases. You never know what Israel is planning and how their plans would unfold.

    53. aljamo

      It is more than obvious that Israel and Saudi Arabia are the favorites of the criminals running America into the ground. Both nations represent our oppressors continued desire for war in the middle east. These nations are America’s bases in that region of the world. You would have to be a disinterested dimwit to buy the official lies of the government’s account of the events of 9-11. There are tens of millions of distracted American’s still falling for the bullshit lies. From what I’ve read on the posts here, some of you want to either change the subject or distance yourselves with counter arguements to the truth.

    54. possee

      I call b.s. on this “supposed” revelation..

      This was a black bag job..well planned..well executed..

      Nothing will convince me otherwise..

      Dozens of firefighters documented hearing explosions

      Trillions missing the day before by DOD.

      Patriot act initiated..

      99% bought into the lie..

      Collateral damage be damned..

      Inexperienced Saudis commandeered and out maneuvered the most sophisticated military in the world and precisely flew jumbo jets into the wtc..yeah right..and santa is arriving Christmas eve..


      • maddog

        Ooh the sheeple believe anything possee. You should have said the santa statement was sarcasm.

        • possee


          Sometimes I truly wonder..

          At least you are one voice of cognitive thought and deductive reasoning..

          Many here join the fray of blaming everyone..blacks, jews.arabs.terrorists,repubs,dems..when all along it is the very system we all live in..

          So few understand the nature of these criminals..


          btw..santa is real..really..



          • maddog

            Ditto possee, thanks. glad were on the same side

            • possee



              Looking forward to more discourse ahead..

              Enjoy the evening


        • Pissed Off Granny


          The four stages of life:

          1. I believe in Santa
          2. I don’t believe in Santa
          3. I am Santa
          4. I look like Santa

    55. Genius

      If someone here had the time they could open a free chat room for us on chatango. It’s easy and free I just don’t have the time and I am not here a lot of times. Someone retired or that is around would be perfect. You can assign moderators to watch over it. I would suggest holding back on banning people just because they don’t agree with you, people have the right to speak theyre mind. The link is here to get it going… 🙂


      Read David Ray Griffin’s 9/11 Ten Years Later: When State Crimes against Democracy Succeed For Additional Substantial Evidence

    57. Be informed

      The ONLY thing I am truly concerned about now is the FUTURE. What is going to happen next, false flag or something that is legitimate. We all can try to figure out whom was actually responsible and what really occurred. The real issue is NOW and LATER. How is what is going to happen going to affect us all. Is it going to be something that attempts to take a big bite out of our freedoms? Is it going to be something that ends the society? This is what we need to do is to prepare for this eventuality.

      There are warnings to geophysical events, but are there warnings that we can decode from what the governments are doing or planning to do. This is a massive about of disinformation being shovelled at us all. I mean ALL of us from all spectrums.

      You will have distortion given to those that are completely pro government, to those anti-government, those that are “conspiracy” driven, those that just float along, and those that analyst everything to death. Any government that truly wants to hide what they are actually doing will have what I call a “bullsh$# crew”. These are f’ers that work to give each group of people what they want to hear. I will give an example using an ET (alien) type of event.

      One group knows that a cover-up is going on, so they will spread traps that lull those people in with fake aliens and will perform dissections of puppets that look like aliens and laoow these pictures to float around out there. You get a certain group fixated on the wrong aliens and hide the real truth. Other people will call this a total hoax and those hiding the truth will make it just enough to be regarded as a hoax. Those skeptical are already sure of government lies and will view this nothing but hiding something that is more military based. Area 51 only a special weapons testing area and tell the majority of the people what they want to hear.

      These are the traps that are set by those that will have mask after mask on top of each other to hide the real face way below. Sometime go to a magician’s show and remain totally focused on one area no matter how much smoke, mirrors, and noise there is. A magician is not some all powerful being making things manifest and disappear, they are trying to distract your attention away just long enough to do something that is hardly supernatural. Concealment and turning your attention away from what they are hiding.

      This is why I say BEWARE of all reports that seem to fit too perfectly for everything that the government lets us “know”. Like Sandy Hook. Which makes better sense? To have some nut go in and gun down a bunch of innocent children and have a true event and blame guns and mental health. OR put on a scene with actors and actresses with an event that never happens and that one day can be proven from too many loose lips.

      The later story sounds real good and SELLS air time that some lunatic didn’t actually shoot 20 children over and over again. That no child actually was murdered with ugly brutality. In reality though 20 little kids where shot over and over again by someone that could have easily been doped up to do this or just been a psychopath that someone easily pushed over the edge. This monster is dead, end of story, dead men tell no tales. The other scenario would mean dozens of big mouths ready to blow the story. See the common sense of this for a beast government, no talk from the grave about what really drove that devil to do this. A lot easier to have one soon to be dead nut do your evil work than try to stage some elaborate hoax. Evil usually takes the path of least resistance.

      Always view something that has many angles to a story with a cynical approach. There are too many mind traps that can snare any of us looking for the right answers.

      • aljamo

        Be Informed…..You steered around the topic of the article. The common sense of the evidence of government involvement in 9-11. In your first paragraph, you repeated basically what Obama said upon entering office, that we will move on ignoring past events. The past event he was talking about was 9-11. There is no middle ground on the so called “conspiracy” (truth) believers or non believers.

        • Be informed

          @ aljamo. Straight up, I don’t know what really happened or whom was involved, none of us can say for sure on anything. You ever see how the concept of a deception to hide another deception? Well, this is likely what is happening here. Human lies are so difficult to figure out THE TRUTH. This is all any of us want, the truth. The physical world is so much easier and clear cut to figure out, what you see is what you get. I don’ support anything about BO, he has helped drive the economy and everything else into the crapper.

          The middle ground you talk about is the shadow zone in which until something is proven is a place that many “dwell”. This is not about believers or non believers, this is about obtaining what actually happened or didn’t happen. Very few people would be willing to put up a large amount of money against or for what they believed, because 9/11 could be even worse and more deep that anyone could imagine. It could be as sick as a bunch of elitists that decided on a game to see what would happen. Kind of like when those characters in the movie Trading Places bet a dollar against each other that they could ruin lives of other people. This is unlikely, but remains a possibility. Prove this wrong or right. You can’t. That is the middle ground of something like this.

          What do I think happen? Oil and the petro dollar and an excuse to attack the Middle East. This is the same crap with the natural gas pipeline with Saudi Arabia and Qatar trying to bypass Russia’s monopoly to Europe. Could this be wrong? Of course, it could be something much more deviant. The simple nut shell is that each of us has a belief, but none of us could be correct about it. I am saying keep an open mind about the OTHER possibilites because not doing so is the MIND TRAP the government and the bad guys want each of us to do, get locked into something we know actually happened. This middle ground is a healthy point because it allows any of us not be fixated on one deception like in a magic show, and to ALWAYS look for the REAL truth, whatever that might be.

    58. Jackagain

      Just like with the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel, there’s no way SA would have acted without the full prior approval of the shadow American government. ZERO chance of that happening…

      Now tell me anti-Israel folks….what exactly was Israel’s motive for ‘causing’ 9/11? If Mossad had anything to do with 9/11, they were recruited for help by our own shadow government long before hand.

      @Ranch, if the Headquarters Marine Corps is ‘100% certain period’ that it was Israel that caused 9/11, then why are they still killing innocent people in Afghanistan and why did they kill thousands of innocent people and overthrow the government in Iraq? How about asking your Marine pals that question.

      BTW…do these ‘contacts’ have a rank higher that E4?

      In the end times every nation will come against Israel to destroy it and God will destroy all of them. (Zech. 12) Could this false 9/11 story be the catalyst for it?

    59. BK

      Denninger changed his tune.
      For years he relentlessly mocked anyone who suggested the official story was bogus.

    60. Socrates

      Lots of points to cover on the article and discussions, so I will try to be brief (yeah, right)

      -Firstly, ALL governments and their Corp. tie-ins are evil and corrupt. YOU are not in the long term plans, period. The sooner people wake up to that hard fact, the better.

      -I remember seeing that short clip of George Bush (allegedly) reading stories to children when the events of 9/11 transpired. I say allegedly, because I was not in the room, and I only remember seeing that on TV. Could have been filmed before hand, for all I know.

      -The thing that struck me the most was that they whispered in his ear, and he just kept on reading like nothing had happened. As President, I would have told the children that ‘I’m sorry kids, but I’m the President of the United States and I have to go to work, right now; maybe we can read again some other time.’

      – As far as Saudi Nationals LEAVING the United States prior to 9/11, I know first hand of at least one ‘family’ that did just that as I ended up renting a house from them. This particular family left 5 days prior and went back to Riyadh. They left A LOT of stuff behind and never came back to the U.S. Oh, I un-rented from them as soon as I could…something was not right.

      -The WTC Building #7 ‘glitch’ was also terribly suspect…esp when you remember seeing it live. I was looking for the dust, smoke and fire from that building and just did not see it. Even brought it up to my spouse saying where is it? Isn’t that it right there?

      -There were shortings of stocks and money made all around that all points back to an ‘inside job’. You cannot manipulate stocks and markets that well in advance unless you know with 100% certainty that the odds are going to tip in your favor.

      -The Patriot Act was a remarkably FAST piece of legislation that was written AFTER the events of 9/11? Don’t think so…that piece of work was already typed and polished well before the event. Our government is not THAT efficient that they can churn something as massive and encompassing as that. No way, no how.

      -POG Mentioned the Soviets involvement…they have been involved in our demise far longer than most here realize.
      I mentioned it before, but will again for any that didn’t listen the first time. Anatoliy Mikhaylovich Golitsyn CBE is a Soviet KGB defector and author of two books about the long-term deception strategy of the KGB leadership. He was born in Piryatin, Ukrainian SSR. Search for his books New Lies for Old (1984) and The Perestroika Deception (1995). They outline the Communist manifesto and perfectly describe what America is going through today…to the letter.

      I could go on, but stated I would be brief. 😉

    61. bymyself

      Why was President Bush not impeached for allowing 911 to happen? It had nothing to do with Obama. it totally amazes me how this stuff way up above try to conflate Obama with what happened on Bush’s watch. It was Bush that allowed the Saudi royal family to leave the country. Why not, they have been business associates of his family for many decades. Where Obama failed, was in deciding to sweep it under the rug as most Presidents do for the so-called good of the country and so that he could prevent a financial collapse such as we had never experienced before. He should have put the entire Bush administration on trial and they’d all be in jail today.

    62. Jackagain

      Bush wasn’t impeached for the same reason that Obama isn’t being impeached for not being born in America and for lying about defending the Constitution when he took his oath of office.

      They are both puppets of the shadow government and are just following orders and both should be in jail.

      How about Eric Holder & drone strikes and the NSA under Obama?

    63. Stormy

      You have got to be kidding – all of you – if you think the sheeple care. They would rather watch NASCAR and the NFL and American Idle and the insane antics of Miley Virus and Justin Blather and stuff their gullets with GMO turkey and shop at the mall than hear truth. Look at the Black Friday madness. The sheeple have no interest in mass murder, only whether they have the new Xbox or Playstation. What country do you think you live in -????

      • maddog

        100% correct

      • aljamo

        What country do you think you live in? Duh, the country I was born in, raised in, have family in, ancestors who fought for the country and were common people.

    64. sane

      Que bono? ..Mossad, anyone!?

    65. Risky Whiskey

      this is not news to me. Just like the way the Bush and Rockefeller families among other American multigenerational moneyed dynasties under the Rothschild’s shield bankrolled the Nazi party’s rise in Germany….

      You think Napolean just “escaped” from captivity like fuckin’ 007 or something in order to set up the final Rothschild-financed climax at Waterloo? That was staged as well….had to be…

      We are all just meat so the banking elite can eat…can’t wait to see what they will do next now that they own the White House, the congress, the senate, the MSM, the military industrial complex, the federal reserve, big agro, big pharma, big tobacco etc. etc.

    66. ryan

      how silly. there were no hijackers. there were no planes.

    67. NeverSayDie

      Anyone ever thought about where all that precious metal went that was supposed to be in the vaults in the WTC buildings??? Remember, anyone, that they found a couple 10 wheeled vehicles (dumptrucks or armored cars) buried in the tunnel between WTC 1 and 2 and WTC bldg 7 (I believe it was…) that were full of bullion??? Where was it going if they didn’t already know what was going to happen? Who was taking it? Not to mention when they finally dug out the vaults, the huge doors were ajar and not closed! SOMEONE got that booty!!! Payment maybe for those who helped perpetrate the act?

      Those pools of molten metal were not precious…they were the leftovers of the steel beams they used the nano-thermite on to bring the buildings down! There’s plenty of info out there now about this new type of thermite. That stuff definitely burns around 5000 degrees…the perfect solution to 1800 degree burning jet fuel (which won’t melt any steel beams I know of…) especially that those steel columns in the WTC buildings were a special alloy…not just regular steel! Now, look that up! Alloys like that would melt at a higher temp than regular steel. Just sayin…


      Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm…. Yes?

      • et Setera

        Indeed – and Judy Wood is also a warm, down-to-earth and very likeable person. She has a way of making difficult technical information accessible to anybody. Meeting her at a talk about 9/11 in Cardiff was an unforgettable experience, thank God for principled high-profile academics like her who are prepared to stick their heads above the parapet. The most profound revelation from her talk was that the seismic readings following the towers’ destruction indicated that an enormous load had been lifted FROM the ground, not that it had slammed to the ground.

    68. Lindsay

      We do not know who is running the country the governments are puppets on strings ! It’s the Elite higher powers behind them that control everyone into a slavery bigger than any other ever existed in human kind! The illuminati !!!!!!

    69. MSL

      While this is otherwise a great article, I have to provide info clarifying the claims that US defenses “went down moments before the attack”. This is false. US defense were down for years before the attack. I served in the USAF in the 318th Fighter Interceptor Squadron at McChord AFB outside Tacoma, WA in the late 1980’s. We were the last active duty interceptor squadron in the CONUS other than a unit at Andrews AFB outside DC. Our unit was deactivated in January 1990 as part of the “peace dividend” at the end of the cold war. Our F-15 Eagles were transferred to the Oregon Air National Guard. So on 9/11, there were almost no active duty interceptors on alert in the continental US. The F-16’s at Otis AFB on Cape Cod, the closest unit to the WTC, were all Massachusetts ANG units and not on alert. Furthermore, NORAD’s air defense radars do NOT cover the interior of the US. They all point outward, over Canada, the arctic, and out over the atlantic and pacific oceans. Once the airliners took off from Logan in Boston, they were simply invisible to NORAD radars and ALWAYS HAD BEEN for decades. Nor were there any data connections between FAA radars and NORAD radars. Furthermore, NORAD radars are coded to simply exclude all aircraft that are transmitting valid IFF civilian codes, as all airliners do, so even if the planes had flown out to sea, they wouldn’t have been seen because they all had valid IFF codes squawking.
      So, in conclusion, the claims that US defense magically went down moments before the attack are utterly false. There were no defenses to go down, intentionally or otherwise.

    70. cst

      cia leak? obvious disinfo. The WTC plane was probably a hologram. Otherwise, more carnage would’ve resulted from airplane wreckage. King’s Dominion amusement park had a hologram type of arcade machine where monsters battled on the table top portion during the late 80s. So the technology behind it is in it’s advanced stage and being used for deception. Publicly reviving dead singers after it has been used in a horrific false flag attack instead of before is further proof to support a hologram plane theory.

    71. Lee

      Visit september for the facts, the rest is diversion designed to lead you away from the truth.
      Unless you watch the video from the day to refresh your memory, you cannot be fully informed.
      How many of you haven’t seen the footage, other than from on the day it happened, or, from bullshit money making astro turfing misinformation videos that have been released?.

      Watch it. copy and paste into google.

    72. Sneaky Pete

      The passengers from the planes are still alive!

      • Boo

        Oh good- I’ll tell my friend that his dad wasn’t in the charred remains they identified. He’ll be thrilled to hear it.

    73. DDearborn


      The entire article is just one lie after another. There is very little truth in any of it. Unless of course you substitute the words Israel and Israeli. This is just one more phony article attempting to deflect attention away from the oh so very obvious and direct Israeli involvement.

      Who was in charge of security at all 3 airports? (Mossad front company) Who was caught celebrating after setting up a video camera BEFORE the attack? Israeli nationals (mossad agents) Over 4000 Israelis workd in the towers how many showed up that day? None. A plane load of people took off late on 9-11 where did it go? Israel. Who had just bought the towers 3 months prior and for the first time in history gotten terrorist insurance for multiple attacks? A dual citizen Israeli. It was Israelis that were caught buying the put options prior to 9-11. What country has been the ONLY beneficiary of 9-11? Israel. In fact so much evidence indicts Israel that Bush had to stall the “investigation” for over year to hide it. It was in fact a rather sloppy operation. There were and still are a lot of loose ends. Hence articles like this.

      Entire books have been written about the direct and indirect evidence directly linking Israel to 9-11. Numerous State Intelligence directors stated in the aftermath that Israel was responsible.

      Means, Motive, opportunity and who benefited. Israel on all counts……

    74. EyesWideOpen

      Not one mention of Israel Pfffft deflection much??

    75. Israhell

      Saudi Arabia??!! LOFL. Israel/Mossad and the Zionist traitors within the American Gov are responsible. You would have to be an idiot to not know that.

      • AnAngryJew

        One of the reasons I left Israel after 9/11 is because I thought my former government may have had a hand in its attack.

        There were in fact Mossad agents detained on 9/11 apparently trying to bring down one of the bridges with a truck load of explosives. They were called the ‘dancing Israelis’. Oddly enough, despite numerous valid reports by different news broadcasts and direct sources from local police and FBI, this was left out of the official report entirely. Or it could be some of the redacted portion.

        Is Israeli government responsible? Possibly. But again, not enough proof to know for sure. I think it is more likely that this attack was planned by multiple nations which would explain the multiple connections.

    76. AnAngryJew

      I don’t think there is enough evidence to connect the Saudis or any specific nation to any degree of certainty.

      I think there IS enough evidence to prove that it was in fact a demolition and planned attack. I think we can prove that the planes did not bring the towers down. I think we can prove that the official report is bullshit.

      Also, Flight 93 was not heading towards the capitol. This is a lie spread by the government. It was heading for BUILDING 7. And when it missed its mark, the building still had to come down. They let it burn for hours so as to appear that fires brought it down.

    77. VRF

      2 State-sponsored; Israel and the USA

    78. KC

      We had a similar situation with the 7/7 bombings in London, England. The scene was riddled with lies, as 9/11 was. They do these false terror events regularly, the most recent being the attack of a soldier in London. This event was labelled the Woolwich hoax, check it out:

      Our governments are ridiculous, they will destroy families by taking away all of our civil liberties. Can we stop them, that’s what I ask?

    79. Rogelio

      …that is to say when they blamed Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein (without providing evidence) and Afghanistan and Iraq were destroyed (for “combat terrorism”) blatantly they lied, but now expect this new story (which urges “declassify”) will convince americans clueless that the new enemy is called Saudi Arabia.
      Yeah right!! surely nothing will have to see the desperation and powerlessness for the eminent abandonment of petro-dollar by the saudi home or that Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia are launching their common currency at the end of december or that China is already the biggest customer of Saudi Arabia, right?… american foreign policy need to change urgently its screenwriter, because senile imagination of Kissinger is turning the tragedy into a comedy naive.

    80. Defiant

      “Incontrovertible Evidence” that nobody can verify. Makes sense.

    81. Haman

      The Saudis didn’t do 9/11.
      Organized jewry did 9/11.

      • jimb

        My wife has a jewelry organizer and I do not see how that thing could have done anything.

    82. Neil

      It’s taken their best minds 12 years to think up this latest “lie”. It’s bullshit, just like the original report is complete bullshit. The fact that the CIA is “leaking” this info says it all. The author trying to make out he’s a 9/11 truther looking for answers and giving credence to the notion of Saudi involvement is absolute bullshit. We all already know WHO and WHY… it’s just HOW that requires clarification. If this BULLSHIT gets MSM coverage it will be absolute proof that this “LIE” is what it is …. ABSOLUTE, UNADULTERATED BUSH-SHIT.

    83. aaron matteson


    84. aaron matteson

      mossad was behind. MOSSAD!

      Pluto is in positions. This is the apocalypse – the age of revealing. ALL IS AND WILL BE REVEALED!

    85. Matthew

      All those who are in the system and in the Governments are chess pieces, tell me who are the chess players.

    86. Anonymous

      Ehud Barak, the prime minister of Israel until March of 2001, came to the U.S. shortly after leaving office. He came, ostensibly, to work as a special advisor for Electronic Data Systems and as a consultant with SCP Partners, a Mossad-run private equity company focused on “security related” work. SCP Partners did business with Metallurg Holding, Inc., as well as Advanced Metallurgical Group, both sharing the same Wayne, PA address. AMG specializes in the production of the same super-thermite used to collapse the three skyscrapers on 9/11.

      According to eye witnesses, the two jets that stuck the twin towers on 9/11 were window-less and dark in appearance, almost military looking.

      Billionaire Estee Lauder cosmetics heir Ronald Lauder worked for years to have Stewart AFB privatized. He was on the defense policy board during the Reagan/Bush presidency in 1981. Lauder has funded a school for the Mossad in Herzliya, Israel.

      Why would a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen billionaire friend of Frank Lowy, Dov Zakheim and Larry Silverstein want to decommission and privatize a United States Air Force Base?

      Dov Zakheim is also CEO of SPC International Corporation, manufacturer of the world’s most advanced remote control Technology for Boeing aircraft.

      Flight 11 and 175 both passed over Stewart AFB at exactly the same time almost colliding at one point…yet they struck the towers 16 minutes apart.

      • Hunter

        Awesome data Anonymous. Thanks much!!!

        • Them Guys

          Klinton was Wrong IE: “Its the Economy Stupid”

          He should Have said “Its International Jewery Stupid”

          Connect them dots and follow that $$$$$ trail in every fuckin swindle, scam, lie, govnt agecny heads, congress, MSM all of it, Hollywood, Whitehouse and Prez,Banks, Wall st, and more yet….Every time without Fail…Once connected all dots form a picture of the exact same thing…One or More evil bastard Khazars behind it all. Over 2000 yrs valid history aint lying…

          So when will all them brainwashed jew firsters with mis interpretations biblically, awaken and stop being a mass group of Enablers?

          • Jackagain

            Clinton didn’t say that, it was James Carville the Democratic strategist. And are you on the same page as Himmler by any chance in that all the worlds woes are due to Jews?

            Even the Black Plague was blamed on them because they didn’t get as sick as everyone else due to their purity laws.

            I can assure you all here that all this anti-Jews talk is being inflamed by Satan leading into the end times.

            • Not them guys

              Yes, Satan is behind all the Jew hating that goes on here but these haters/blamers/conspiracy theorists are too blinded by their animosities and by their ignorance to see it.

    87. Dan

      According to eye witnesses, the two jets that stuck the twin towers on 9/11 were window-less and dark in appearance, almost military looking.

      Billionaire Estee Lauder cosmetics heir Ronald Lauder worked for years to have Stewart AFB privatized. He was on the defense policy board during the Reagan/Bush presidency in 1981. Lauder has funded a school for the Mossad in Herzliya, Israel.

      Why would a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen billionaire friend of Frank Lowy, Dov Zakheim and Larry Silverstein want to decommission and privatize a United States Air Force Base?

      Dov Zakheim is also CEO of SPC International Corporation, manufacturer of the world’s most advanced remote control Technology for Boeing aircraft.

      Flight 11 and 175 both passed over Stewart AFB at exactly the same time almost colliding at one point…yet they struck the towers 16 minutes apart.

    88. rand





    89. Dear America

      I pray that you know what is going on in our world today but if not, the following message may scare you.

      For the SHOCK of your life, take 1 minute to comprehend what you read below. During our lifetimes, all Presidents have issued Executive Orders. For various reasons, some have issued more than others. These things will directly affect us all, in years to come. Question is: Do YOU care enough to send this, ‘shocking info,’ to people you love and others?

      NUMBER OF EXECUTIVE ORDERS ISSUED by U.S. Presidents in the last 100 years:

      Teddy Roosevelt – 3
      All Others until FDR – 0
      FDR – 11 in 16 years
      Truman – 5 in 7 years
      Ike – 2 in 8 years
      Kennedy – 4 in 3 years
      LBJ – 4 in 5 years
      Nixon – 1 in 6 years
      Ford – 3 in 2 years
      Carter – 3 in 4 years
      Reagan – 5 in 8 years
      Bush – 3 in 4 years
      Clinton – 15 in 8 years
      George W. Bush – 62 in 8 years
      Obama – 923 in 3 1/2 years! More than 1000+ and counting Executive Orders in 6 years…
      Read some of them below – unbelievable!

      Next step -dictatorship. (Looks like we are there already!)

      If you don’t get the implications, you’re not paying attention. How come all the other presidents in the past 100 years have not felt it necessary to INCREASE GOVERNMENT’S POWER OVER THE PEOPLE with more than 1,000 Executive Orders? This is really very scary. And most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.
      Even some Democrats in the House have turned on him, plus a very small number of Democrat Senators have questioned him. Rightfully so. –
      Remember what he told Russia’s Putin: “I’ll be more flexible after I’m re-elected”.

      Now look at these:

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 — allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 — allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 — allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 — allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 — allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 — allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 — designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 — allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 — allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 — allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 — assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 — specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 — grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

      EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 — allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. Financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

      Feel free to verify the “executive orders” at will…..and these are just the major ones. I’m sure you’ve all heard the tale of the “Frog in the Pot”… Watch Obama’s actions, not his words! By his actions he will show you where America is headed.

      Obama has issued executive orders that seek to “harmonize” U.S. Economic regulations with the rest of the world. These executive orders are yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North American Union and a one world economic system.

      Obama used the stage at the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s I have a dream speech to announce two new executive orders infringing on your second amendment rights.. The first bans the importation of antique military firearms for sale to sportsman and collectors.. He intentionally mislabels them military grade weapons to deceive the sheeple, but make no mistake . . . the order was written specifically to ban the importation of surplus M1 carbines, M1 Garands, 1903 Springfields and other antiques coveted by collectors and sport shooters. This order is the death knell for the civilian marksmanship program. Congress had previously passed the sportsman protection act in 1986 which among other things guaranteed that the importation of the historic relics for collectors and the CMP would not be impeded by unreasonable regulations.. But Emperor Obama does not bend to the will of the people or the rule of law.. He will impose on his subjects what he wishes, when he wishes. Kind of like Papa Joe Stalin or the short Austrian with the funky mustache!

      Unfortunately, most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.

      The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is constantly looking for ways to integrate the United States more deeply with the rest of the world.
      The globalization of the world economy has accelerated under Obama, and this latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S. economic policy. Now federal regulators will be required to “harmonize” their work with the international community.


    90. Michael

      I find this pretty funny coming from the CIA. The Saudis are just cutouts. Apparently their usefulness has been determined to be at an end. They’ve always wanted to double-cross the Saudis. That was the plan along…get the House Of Saud overthrown and take control of the oil resources. The elephants in the room is Norad/Pentagon/CIA involvement. They all facilitated this in various ways, the evidence is simply overwhelming in this regard. Susan Lindauer told how the CIA is deeply involved. This is what you’d call a ‘limited hangout’.

    91. Robert G

      First thing we really need to do is not cast a total judgement until we see the censored report and see what sources were used to include that information in the report. Meaning verify that information. Just because something is written in a report doesn’t mean that the information is accurate or inaccurate. Kind of like saying the Warren Commission said……

      We need to see what information in the report directly connects events to the Saudi government leadership. Just because an official, ambassador or military person is involved doesn’t mean that it is sanctioned and authorized by the leadership of the government.

      During the Vietnam war a group of US troops came into a cluster of villages called My Lai and killed between 200-500 people. As I recall the blame got laid upon Platoon leader 2nd Lt William Calley, but in fact the direct order was given by a Captain above him. So what happened on the ground ended up being a mass killing because people just up the feeding chain from Calley thought that all the civilians would be gone leaving only the enemy. After the fact all leadership heard from the field was that the enemy had taken a pounding.

      Point is that the massacre itself was not sanctioned/authorized by President Johnson, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the high level military leadership in Vietnam. It was something handled much further down teh feeding chain. Just because an event happens, doesn’t mean it is sanctioned at the highest level of any government. In order to make that connection you need evidence and documents that make the connection.

      As to the Saudi’s, even if it came out that the leadership was directly involved, what would have been the cry and demand in the United States? Go over, nuke Saudi, turn the oil fields into glowing green sands. Invade them? Bomb them? We can see from the experience of the last 15 years what invading and bombing middle eastern countries has done. In the case of Saudi, being a huge world oil exporter, the consequence would probably be massive. Likely the first that that would happen is Oil would go over $200.00 per barrel and gas would be $6.00 or more per gallon instantly. In and of itself that would instantly hammer our economy far worse then what we have already seen and raise the cost of everything else.

      It might be better not to say anything in public, then squeeze the foreign government for help with various and many things over the years.

      • Boo

        You make a lot of sense. Get ready for the red thumbs; many here cannot handle rational thinking.

      • SirGalahad

        Even if the Saudis government were involved, which may or may not be true, as you say, how did they

        * get the planes through NORAD and not shot down
        * make the buildings collapse
        * make the buildings turn to dust
        * make WTC7 collapse with minimal damage

        They must have had help

        That’s what people should be really angry about

    92. Jimi T

      It’s pretty clear that most of the patsies for the 9/11 operation came from Saudi Arabia and a few from other places. But they had little to do with the actual operation, detonation of explosives already planted in the WTC, etc. It seems like the Saudis are nearing the end of their usefullness for the USSA, and because of their apparent involvement in 9/11, it will be easy to use them as a scapegoat, at the same time pointing out their human rights abuses. It will divert the blame from the real culprits, give an excuse for regime change in another expensive foreign involvement for an already broke USSA. Isn’t this plot getting a bit boring? How about a new one, where the people figure out what is going on, incarcerate and punish the treasonous perpetra(i)tors, and end a long tyrannical regime which has been concurrent with the Rothschilds’ greedy financial swindling and warmongering career?

    93. Chris Smith

      The “leak” is timed. Everything is done for a reason.

      Stop and think about it: First they got us to invade Iraq, Libya, Syria. They are trying with Iran. Now they have “evidence” that Saudi Arabia needs a good old invasion/liberation.

      Look. It is very very simple. Go and read professor Israel Shahak’s translation of “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties” by Oded Yinon.

      • bill rogers

        Read also “Operation Shekhinah” by the late Joe Vialls.

        Operation Shekhinah, Israel’s Blitzkrieg on Middle East Oil

        The Israelis and their lackeys in Washington DC needed an excuse to wage a war of conquest in the Middle East, and 9/11 was that excuse.

    94. Robert G

      Another thing we should consider.

      1) The “mindset” of government and people prior to 911 was that if a plane was hijacked, they were going to demand ransom or the release of prisoners somewhere.

      2) It is easy to look back on a pile of data (knowing the end result) and say “why didn’t you connect this information to that information, connect these dots to those dots.

      3) In order to understand how the intelligence process works in a simplified way imagine somebody cutting up the front page of a major metro newspaper, say the New York Times into 9000 misshapen pieces. Different people are getting different pieces of the paper. Now you need to have people start assembling the paper, at least the pieces you have in your possession and you “hope” that the other people who have pieces will share them with you. Out of those 6000 individual pieces you need to be able to discern the content and context of the front and second page stories and what they mean to you. Imagine this times 100,000 pieces pouring onto your desk.

      Now imagine for a moment that you glimpse the end result of what Page 1 and 2 look like of said newspaper. Now it is much easier to connect the bits and pieces together. Then a third party comes along and says, see, why didn’t you see this story or picture on the front page, why it is so easy to see.

      Same thing with 911. Things are alot easier to see after the fact then before.

      4) The Air Force. If you do your historical research, you will find that the Air Force fighter alert units, who were on standby all through the cold war for scrambles went off alert when the Cold War was declared over in 1992. No need to keep fighters on alert. So instead of crews waiting in alert shelters, ready to go when the Klaxhorn goes off, you have crews waiting elsewhere and it takes them 15-30 minutes to get the plane or planes ready and airborne. More or less it was a money/budget saving measure. Same thing for our strategic bombers, same thing for the Nightwatch planes. Instead of being airborne 24/7 they sit off in alert shelters near runways at different Airbases and can fly if and when needed.

      When you listen to the NORAD tapes (many hours) you see how the FAA is confused by what is going on and so is NORAD. You ask “how can they be confused?” They are looking at radar scopes and have people’s lives in their hands. They don’t have CNN or Foxnews blaring where they can look at it. The controllers initially think the plane is having issues or it is a hijacking and they are waiting for demands from the hijackers. It wasn’t until shortly there after when the news was breaking that planes were hitting the buildings that they were aware that the hijackers were using the planes as weapons. Again mind set that for the previous 50 years hijackers have always asked for money or to have prisoners free.

      Now the “mindset” is if a plane is hijacked they are going to use it as a weapon, so fighters will be scrambled, the airliner will be warned and shot down if they get near any populated area. Totally different mind sets.

      5) As to the intelligence failure, even with the NSA vacuming up data by the Petabyte load there will always be intelligence failures and it will always be easier to connect the dots after the events then before. Think of Pearl Harbor, the test of the first Soviet A bomb, the surprise attack of the Korean war and various others including 911 over the years.

      6) All the intel usually lands on some human’s desk and is subject to that humans understanding and interpretation of said intel. Meaning if the analyst is of the mind set that anything connected to a hijacking means the hijackers will want money or prisoners released, then all the evidence in front of them will point to that conclusion.

      No it shouldn’t be that way, but yes that is the way it is.

      So we should always be cautious with what we see and hear. Things may or may not turn out to look like what they appear to be.

    95. Todd

      Where the hell is the link to the “evidence” why would you cite information like this with no base as to where it came from? This is no different then the main stream media saying it is al qaeda without showing the public the proof where it came from

    96. Risky Whiskey

      this will not end without civil unrest and violence in an attempt to overthrow the banker-owned and fully corrupted U.S. government/corporate state.

      TPTB already know this… which is why they have been declaring the U.S. population of sheepdogs, shepherds and wolves as “terrorists” while steadily bullshitting the sheep-le into a state of totally uninformed debt serfdom.

      The pieces are being put into place by the DHS umbrella of agencies and the military to repel any grass-roots armed effort by the American people to take the country back (as if it ever really belonged to the American people in the first place since Europe’s sinister bankers have been here in one way or another since the days of Plymouth Rock.)

      In the end, once it all goes down, I believe that the people will triumph over the collective fascist corporate-state that has grown into dominance before our very eyes; but once this has passed, America will be a completely economically devastated former power with a crushed infrastructure, worthless currency, total corporate capital-flight, and once well-fed people eating garbage to survive like Germany in the aftermath of WW2.

      Mexico will invade the southwest the very second they perceive America can no longer mount an organized defense (perhaps at the invitation of the corporate state in order to break any resistance the American people can offer) It worked great for the Union when they emancipated the south… worked even better when the USSR slammed into Poland from the east when the Poles had managed to temporarily stand the Nazi Blitzkrieg up in the west….

      Remember that these multigenerational, aristocratic, elitist and diabolical dynasties have routinely lunched and scuttled whole nations…at will…in order to control the wealth of the world.

    97. Rob

      Most of the world outside of the U.S. never really fell for the official version of events, but those who spoke out were convincingly branded conspiracy nuts. I remember reading a theory in about 2003 that Saudi Arabian intelligence and Mossad worked together to orchestrate the attacks and just waited until they could get U.S. support via the Bush administration. It’s taken awhile, but now that the trauma is wearing off, Americans, too, are beginning to wake up, thanks to the efforts of those who have persistently presented facts and evidence in spite of ridicule.

    98. GaryL

      I regret to say that this story smells as a Red Herring.

    99. stillborn

      When we talk about “Zionists” being responsible for all of our problems, what are we even actually saying? The secular Jews of New York and Hollywood, while surely “supporting” Israel in the same way that every Jew supports every exploitative endeavor of his tribe, have absolutely no connection to, or personal interest in, the Zionist state in Palestine.

      On top of this, Zionism is a political doctrine which has only been around for a century. What are we to do with the fact that we have been at war with this tribe since we first encountered them over 2000 years ago?

      On some of these sites, I have seen people make the claim that “Zionists” were responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution – at that period in history, political Zionism was a recent development, and had very little support among the Jewish population as a whole who were very happy feeding off of their host populations in white countries and had no desire to go live in the desert and fight Arabs. The Bolshevik Revolution had nothing whatsoever to do with political Zionism. This was an act of the Jew.

      Zionism is simply Judaism politicized. Like the Jewish religion, it is simply a manifestation of the Jewish tribal, racial drives.
      jews are the only race of humans that have been kicked out of over 96 nations since 400A.D. Communism is in fact an off-shoot of the Talmudic teachings and under the guise of communist more murders have been perpetrated by the Jews than any know race of man. this is not conjecture these are 100% verifiable facts. research Dr David duke and look up “secret behind communism” and you’ll understand the nature of what filth this race of Luciferians has done to humanity.

      • Not them guys

        Wow, an anti-Semite actually admitting that he’s a follower of David Duke! Go back to the Stormfront website where you belong, you ignorant troglodyte.

    100. Howard M

      There is a higher order of conspiracy, of which the Saudi’s are just subjects of. I believe it includes, Zionist, top royal families of Europe and England, many rich families and business leaders. Mostly centered in the Western Countries. And controlling those Countries. They all are being lead by a small cadre who are trying to direct the World toward an agenda of their own making. Forcing a square peg into a round hole. Nothing is off the table as a tool to get what they want.

    101. william brent

      “It’s much easier to fool people than it is convincing them they’ve been fooled”.
      -Mark Twain

    102. JohnFornaro

      Lotta people think that “Vanity Fair” is a fashion magazine alone. It is not. Some years ago, they ran an in depth report of some of the inside story on the 911 attacks.

      There was a brief letter to the editor in a subsequent issue, from a person presumably writing under his own name, briefly mentioning the short selling that took place on the stock market before the attacks.

      There were far more than nineteen people involved in the attacks, and there is a good liklihood that unknown American citizens participated somehow in aiding this attack.

      What occurred to me this morning is the possibility that the Sunni-Shia enmity may be a false flag in and of itself.

      The proponents of either faction are demonstrably happy in killing one another; for example the Iran-Iraq war. Anecdotally, there are stories alleging that the Saudis are working to acquire nukes from Pakistan, presumably to be used to hedge against Iranian nuclear weapon acquisition.

      Iranian religious leadership is on record with holding that their people are of no consequence in exchange for the world’s conversion to their religion. There is well known antipathy towards Israel, and stated governmental threats to destroy the US economically.

      There does not seem to be a “happy ending” with the current rate of increasing economic stratification of our country into a few who have, and the many who must take the dole and vote as they are instructed.

      The extremists who are behind the scenes of the Sunni-Shia false flag are united in their enmity of those of us who follow the Buddheo-Christian path, or any other path for that matter. If they can draw the US into a nuclear war, and subsequently destroy our country by the unintended consequences surrounding a nuclear war, then they will be able to focus their efforts on china.

      Hakuna metata.

    103. hipbhone

      Reading this I can’t help but notice the elephant in the room. All of the hundreds of anomalies (WC7?) should lead to the conclusion that the hijackers are a cover story. The Saudis did not wire the buildings, so where does this story lead.If people wre told they would not believe it. Welcome to the matrix!

    104. Tom

      After the JFK assassination many books came out criticizing the Warren report, but despite the evidence uncovered all these years there are still books and programming that sticks to the lone nut Oswald-did-it nonsense. All four major networks continue to push this lie.

      If anyone does a serious and honest research of either the JFK murder or 911, I can’t see how they can come to any other conclusion except the government is lying. It’s as plain as day and obvious to anyone with half a brain! If there is a big animal in a room that looks like an elephant and acts like one, then you can be sure that it is indeed an elephant. Americans have been brainwashed to reject the obvious and accept the improbable/impossible!

    105. Ju PsyOp

      This writer is probably paid to obfuscate the Jew’s involvement with 911.See former Army War College instructor Dr. Alan Sabrosky for a fuller development of the Jew’s actions here. Geopolitically ignorant Amerikans don’t realize that the Saudi’s often work hand-in-glove with the vile Israelis.Look at Syria – nuked by Israel (tactical feild level nukes – Israel’s specialty), and the “insurgents” funded by the Jew aiding Wahabbis.
      Way past time to kill the Feral Reserve and it’s owners, foreign perpetrators of treason here.
      Franklin’s prophecy on Jews:
      If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.

      If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
      They won’t even be working in the fields – they’ll be homeless.

    106. Pringle

      No proof there were any hijackers at all – or that if they did exist they weren’t part of one of the many “drills” going on that day.

      Yes, Israel was heavily involved, along with other countries.

      Main thing is this – Murderous traitors have taken control of the US government – now we are forced to live in a complete moral shit-hole where we are fed nothing but lies.

    107. CharlieSeattle

      Why show Obama in a picture with the Saudi’s.

      President Bush inexplicably censored 28 full pages of the 800-page report.

      Traitors have an agenda that transcends patriotism, the rule of law and national security.

      George Bush and King Abdullah Kissing and Holding Hands.

    108. Neil Deakin, Manchester UK

      Yes, there is Saudi influence here for sure, but imo the reason why that report was censored is to hide evidence that ultimately, people within the U.S administration were the real force behind 911 and some of the Saudis, some Israelis and some pakistani ISI were only assisting the US shadow government to pull it off. Everyone has read the Pnac report, the Grand Chessboard and read about Cheney’s energy task force identifying the middle east as the goal. All road lead to Washington.

    109. MikeR

      If the alleged leak really DOES use the word “hijackers” as explicitly stated here… then the leak is a FAKE

      It is provable there were NO PLANES therefore there were no hijackers and therefore this leak is nothing more than an attempt by the perpeTRAITORs to wring more mileage out of their fraudulent event …. and we would do well to call them out.

      No planes, no hijackers … but lotsa of fakery and fraud.

      All 3 Twin Towers were demolished … WTC7 by “conventional” controlled demolition … and the other 2 by some sort of DEW that caused the building to turn to dust. You can SEE the building turn to dust in all the videos… but you MUST tell your mind what to look for and not just assume the building fell….

      • jimb

        OMG, you are supposed to sprinkle fairy dust not snort it!!!

    110. John Brown

      I did a series of articles about the corruption between SABIC, GE, and Obama titled “The money connections between GE – NBC – SABIC – Obama – and the new “green” rules.”

      Obama let GE sell China the missile technology to sink our air craft carriers !

      Obama was picked for president #44 “murderers and secret socities”

      Just as Bush #43 = humilation

      God had his hand in the building of this country and he will have a hand in it’s destruction and the country will be split three ways and we are losing 1/3 of the states.

      The stenographer delivered a direct warning from God on the House floor not to mock God, they still are.

      Satan’s one world government is coming and the current leaders in Congress including the House speaker are compromised and blackmailed.

      We should get used to using the description of Soros to describe the majority of government “QUISLING”.

      The country is lost, the only thing to do is survive until 2018. I suggest moving far off both the east coast and west coast and move away from Las Vegas and Viginia.

    111. JB

      I’m confused – will the real guilty country please step forward – there are to many choises from EXPERTS above

    112. anonymous

      Yes, it was an act of war and if you want to know what happened that day, read Dimitri Khalezov’s 9/11 book which explains what the US government will not reveal to the American people. Not only that, the US government has hidden the truth of how the WTC was brought down in plain sight for over 12 years now.

      Dimitri Khalezov has spent 10 years researching and writing this book. Download links:

      Or read at:

      In a 2010 interview, Khalezov explained that you can’t build a skyscraper in NYC without an approved demolition plan. On 9/11, the World Trade Center’s demolition plan was put into action to demolish the complex.

      Khalezov learned of this demolition plan from his job in the Soviet Union. He had worked in the nuclear intelligence unit and under an agreement between the Soviet Union and the USA, each country was obliged to inform the other of peaceful uses of nuclear explosions. The WTC was built with 3 thermo-nuclear charges in its foundations.

      Note: underground nuclear explosions do not produce mushroom clouds. This is only ever seen when the explosion takes place above ground. On 9/11, the explosions were deep underground.

      More info:

      You can watch the 2010 interview at:
      Video # 4 – WTC’s demolition plan
      Video # 14 – WTC 7 (which fell ½ hour AFTER the BBC announced its collapse).
      Videos # 24/25 – chronic radiation sickness of WTC responders (their cancers are not due to asbestos poisoning)

      Khalezov was interviewed on 4 Sept 2013:

      I know it is preposterous to claim that the WTC was brought down by nukes but go and look up the definition of ‘Ground Zero’ in the old dictionaries you have at home. You’ll find that there would only be one definition and it’s what you call a place that has been nuked.

      After 9/11, the US government sent people round to every bookshop and public library on the planet to replace ALL the dictionaries. The replacements differed only in the definition of ‘ground zero’ and they show extra definitions for that term. For example, the new versions (even of old editions) of the Merriam-Webster dictionaries have two extra definitions which are:
      2: the center or origin of rapid, intense, or violent activity or change
      3: the very beginning : SQUARE ONE

      Have a look at this video:
      At 6:05 mins, he shows the old and new definitions of ‘Ground Zero’.

    113. Universtar

      It’s all gone on wrong far too long!!! It the same ones from the old times whom just change their clothes to keep doing the same in the new times , and they are identified as Planetary users , destroyers, and wasters of all that is good including everything and everybody with the sole intent leave planet earth as a sewer pit of all their abuses of its life sustaining beautiful natural ecosystems and evacuate planet earth so they can spread their narcistic evil intelligence around the solar system , the milkyway gallaxy and other parts of the universe that they will only destroy ruin and waste trying to disguise and cover it up all along the way….they control the weathliest most evil and most disgracefull humans throughout time and they just change their clothes to fit the times..The Universe sees them as a threat to all good and beneficial intelligent life and will not allow them to evacuate planet earth and spread their evil anywhere else so their only hope for survival is to change into clothes that make you fix all the evil youve done on and to the lifeforms of the once healthy beautiful earth or exspect exstinction with no sympathy no survivors and noprisoners.

    114. Robert G

      If you want to see how just plain burning gas can bring down a concrete, steel reinforced bridge go to:

      The article describes how a tanker truck with 8000 gallons of gasoline lost control on a curve, hit a guard rail and flipped on it’s side. The tank ruptured and burst into flames and burned causing a three lane section of the free to buckle and collapse.

      If something burns long enough, it will weaken most any structure and cause it to collapse. If burning gas can quickly bring down a bridge, burning aviation fuel that burned for hours would weaken any structure enough to cause it to come down. Especially since we witnessed the planes hitting and going into the building. That impact would would have severely weakened the structure of the building on those floors. Add an extended burning fire, with jet fuel and it will collapse. Remember first res ponders were not trying to shore up the structure of building, they were consumed with getting people out which is proper and right procedure.

      As to WTC 7, I am still unable to figure out why this is on anybody’s radar scope. If you follow the video and read the accounts, you find where debris from WTC hit WTC 7 which caused it to catch fire. The entire building had been evacuated and was sealed off. The FDNY was focusing everything on the twin towers and the immediate area around, so WTC 7 burned unabated (no fire suppression) all AM, and well into the afternoon. FDNY sent a team of people in around 4:30 that afternoon to check on the status of WTC 7. They came back and reported that it was not structurally safe and based upon their assessment expected it to collapse at any point. Here is where the two accounts diverge slightly but the end result is the same. One account (Silverstein) says that FDNY talked to him and described how it was not structurally sound, how if it collapsed on it’s own it might create greater damage to people and or other buildings in the area. Silverstein then said that FDNY “pulled” it meaning brought the building down in a controlled collapse. The other account out of FDNY is that they (meaning FDNY) made the decision to bring the building down due to how structurally unsound it was.

      Other accounts have it that the building came down on it’s own after it had been burning all day long and all FDNY did was evacuate all the people out of the area and wait for a collapse. I tend to believe that the FDNY brought it down as that is contained in some official documents that was released years ago.

      In summary, we know that pieces of debris from the twin towers caused WTC 7 to catch on fire. WTC 7 was complete evacuated. Then a decision was made by FDNY that since WTC 7 was completely evacuated they wanted to focus their resources on the twin towers where people were so FDNY decided to let WTC 7 burn all day long. Burning un abated continued all day long and because of that, a decision was made to pull the building towards the end of the day by one account and by another they just kept people evacuated and it collapsed on it’s own. Either way it came down. The insurance company ultimately paid the loss on the building. End of story.

      By the way, Fire Department’s in America do this all the time. Best use and management of your resources during an emergency situation.

    115. Nam Marine

      You forgot to add Israel and our own Government to the list
      of those responsible !

    116. Edwin P.

      Bull. Israel did it; there would be nothing “shocking” about proof that Saudi Arabia did it b/c since 9/12, we were told 19 Saudis did it. The only thing that could “shock” U.S. congressman would be if another ally had committed it. The only one of our allies that has ever bombed US targets is Israel (Lavon Affair bombings and USS Liberty). The “leaks” pointing to Saudi Arabia are a smokescreen. The Saudis have told us they we SHOULD release the 28 pages of redacted material; on the contrary, Israel is demanding that we do NOT. You do the math.

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