Complexity Theorists Predict Food Crisis, Riots and Civil Unrest By April 2013

by | Aug 24, 2011 | Forecasting | 198 comments

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    Forecasting isn’t an exact science, but researches at the New England Complex Systems Institute may have come up with a formulaic approach that can help them to identify risk factors that contribute to political instability which may lead to riots and civil unrest similar to what we saw in the Middle East this year.

    Their model is so accurate that they reportedly wrote a letter to the United States warning of imminent danger just days before the mid east and north African riots broke out:

    On 13 December last year, the group wrote to the US government pointing out that global food prices were about to cross the threshold they had identified. Four days later, Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire in Tunisia in protest at government policies, an event that triggered a wave of social unrest that continues to spread throughout the middle east today. (source)

    Using advanced complexity theory the researchers have come up with a number of indicators that can predict when a population reaches its breaking point. Specific details and assessments are provided in The Food Crises and Political Instability in North Africa and the Middle East [pdf]:

    When the ability of the political system to provide security for the population breaks down, popular support disappears. Conditions of widespread threat to security are particularly present when food is inaccessible to the population at large. In this case, the underlying reason for support of the system is eliminated, and at the same time there is “nothing tolose,” i.e. even the threat of death does not deter actions that are taken in opposition to the political order. Any incident then triggers death-defying protests and other actions that disrupt the existing order.

    Widespread and extreme actions that jeopardize the leadership of the political system, or the political system itself, take place. All support for the system and allowance for its failings are lost. The loss of support occurs even if the political system is not directly responsible for the food security failure, as is the case if the primary responsibilitylies in the global food supply system.

    The following chart provides a visual guide:

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    Chart Explained: Time dependence of FAO Food Price Index from January 2004 to May 2011. Red dashed vertical lines correspond to beginning dates of “food riots” and protests associated with the major recent unrest in North Africa and the Middle East. The overall death toll is reported in parentheses. Blue vertical line indicates the date, December 13, 2010, on which we submitted a report tothe U.S. government, warning of the link between food prices, social unrest and political instability. Inset shows FAO Food Price Index from 1990 to 2011.

    The group, led by researcher Marco Lagi, is now warning that their thresholds are about to be broken again. And, this time the implications may be much more serious than before:

    The underlying trend of increasing prices will reach the threshold of instability in July 2012, if we consider current prices, and April 2013 if we correct prices for reported ination. Either way, the amount of time until the often warned global food crises appears to be very short. Indeed, consistent with our analysis, the current food price bubble is already subjecting large populations to reported distress, as described in a recent UN report warning of the growing crisis.

    We identify a speci c food price threshold above which protests become likely. These observations suggest that protests may reect not only long-standing political failings of governments, but also the sudden desperate straits of vulnerable populations. If food prices remain high, there is likely to be persistent and increasing global social disruption. Underlying the food price peaks we also fi nd an ongoing trend of increasing prices. We extrapolate these trends and identify a crossing point to the domain of high impacts, even without price peaks, in 2012-2013. This implies that avoiding global food crises and associated social unrest requires rapid and concerted action.

    It’s clear that Lagi and his colleagues have done the work, and their data make sense, especially given what we’ve seen geo-politically over the last year. Given the way government has thus far attempted to mitigate this economic crisis – which is to make it worse – we are pessimistic about their ability to stop the rising food price trend, and the loss of confidence that will be sure to follow.

    As such, the analysis provided suggests that instability due, in large part, to rising food prices is imminent and we have, at best, twenty months before riots and civil unrest come to the streets of America.

    Now would be a good time to speed up your SHTF Plans.

    References: Cornell University Library, What Really Happened


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      1. This report is just a third-party verification of what the government already knows. Why else would there be so much money invested in Fema camps and Fusion Centers? It’s alright though, if Barry is on vacation again everything is under control, bitchez!!!

        • And next month, after his Martha Vineyard vacation, he’ll solve everything if the Congress will just get out of his way and let him dictate as he’s suppose to.

          • +1

        • Cam you explain what a Fusion Center is please. Never heard this term before.

          • A “Fusion Center” is another term for “FEMA CAMP.” You know, where the Nazi’s took the Jewish people during WWII.

          • Fusion Centers are Dept. of Justice organizations in each state that spy on Americans. I know someone who worked in DHS who told me they basically sit around all day and surf the ‘net. He didn’t understand their purpose but if you read economics and understand what the Federal Reserve is doing to this country you will come to the conclusion that they were set up after the false flags of 911 to spy on Americans and eventually control the work and re-education camps.

        • LOL, this ain’t ZeroHedge.

          • LOL sez “baaaaahhhhh, baaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!”

      2. When rioting does occur, more than likely it will do so in the large metro areas. Whether it spreads beyond those boundries of course depend on the severity and desperation. That will give some uprepared folks a lttle in your face are you ready heads up. As for me, I hope I’m prepared as well as can be. I’ve checked santa’s list twice, other than small stuff, few different hand tools, I am gtg.

        • Make sure ya got enough ammo to keep the Golden Horde at bay.

          • Is 57,000 rounds enough? If our team fires a tenth of that and we are still alive, we will have acquired more supplies from those who came against us. Of course, that is IF they have any in the first place.

            • In each caliber I hope

              • 45, 22lr, .223/5.64 and 30-06 Hopefully not one will be spent in self defense ! Little tweetie birds will catch hell however.

          • Or encourage them to reroute.

      3. The only rapid and concerted acion going on is the rape and pillaging of global resources by the TBTF banks and their political stooges. If I’m not mistaken, CT was once known as Chaos Theory. Nothin’ better than political correctness.

      4. “Move along, people. Nothing to see here. Move along.” – Frank Drebin

        “Listen to Frank and don’t read this paper. Just keep producing Ethanol.” – Al Gore

        Hey, that’s around the same time as the solar maximum. Wow! Wouldn’t it suck if the world’s power plants and comm satellites failed after an X9 solar flare struck the planet? Now that’s a Perfect Storm scenario!!

      5. Well duh! What do you think happens when you turn food into fuel and push the “green” agenda to the point of stupidity! I think if the idiots thinking that they can control what’s coming soon manage it as well as the economy, it will be by December for the beginning of the shtf! Part of my navy job was to predict and plan for operations of a nuke carrier and the training carries over.
        What I see coming is not good for anyone let alone us little people just getting by and trying to raise a family. Food, cotton goods, etc are going to be 4 to 5 times more expensive by December so buy it now. But on a good note used bang bangs are getting cheaper as more people sell stuff to pay bills.

        • I agree that used firearms are becoming a great deal. I visit several pawn shops in a couple of the larger cities here in the west, and the past couple of months I have bought 4 different rifles and shotguns for 1/3-1/2 their new retail prices. Remington 870 3″ mag “Wingmaster”s with extra chokes and wrench in excellent+ condition for $200 with case. Browning 7mm mag bolt action deluxe stock for $280 with sling and scope mounts. Like new, Marlin 880SS .22LR, sling, and 3-9x32mm stainless style scope for $109. And what appears to be an unfired Winchester 1300XTR 12ga, 3” mag, 3 chokes and wrench, Redhead semi-hard duck hunting floating case with internal soft case all for $219.

          I am making a special trip back to one of these large cities next weekend, as they hard some other great buys pending September 1 date on the tags. Prices drop a further 25% on several after that date.

          I asked the store manager why the large price drops from a few months ago, and he stated their chain had been flooded with weapons pawned for cash and the owners did not return. They were slashing prices due to lack of sales, heavily over stocked and need for cash flow. What a deal! I wish they would carry handguns, but their policy does not allow it.

      6. In preping the last 2 years we’ve come up with a simple guideline to buying foods to stock heavily on. “Just add water,and it tastes better than dirt” Rice,beans,oatmeal, instant potatoes,etc. Most are inexpensive and can be purchased in bulk even for those on limited $$$.Example for the average cost of 2 MREs you can buy 50 lbs of rice at Sam’s club. Good luck to ya and by all means get busy with the time that’s left!

        • Dont forget vitamins/supplements and OTC medicines.

        • Just came from Walmart, recently turned into a Super walmart. I did a doubletake when I passed an isle where it was 1/4 of sealed 30 yr food storage. Just the basics mind you, but large buckets of red wheat, and sealed #10 cans of milk, potatos, dried fruit, veges, etc. It was surreal. Only because I’m used to the masses ignoring, (and all others there at the time were, I was the only one grabbing) but to see that at Walmart, I don’t know…it was a strange moment. Maybe it’s just me. I told my friend, “Something is coming. And this is societies last chance to get a clue. If they ignore this…” Big shrug.
          On a happy note, I got powdered honey. I don’t know why that makes me so tickled happy, but it does. It was like Christmas!

          • I went to BJs yesterday and bought canned vegetables that are good until 2014… 8pk/$5.49 and 6-8 pks of pasta for the same price and same expiration. I also plan on trying to find farina & oatmeal single paks in bulk because it’s just my daughter and I. I’m afraid of bugs or it spoiling faster than it should because of the humidity. I might spend a little more but it’s probably worth it because we won’t waste it. I also want to pick up some powdered milk, rice, sugar and cereal so at least I know we are set. I have plenty of water and about 6 months of emergency food storage from but I don’t want to use that unless the s REALLY htf!!!
            Good luck everyone!!!

          • haven’t seen that at my local Walmart. What part of the country are you seeing this?

            • Washington state.

          • Not in my walmart either. My sister is in Utah and there you can find it in a lot of stores. We get our stuff from Some staples I buy in bulk and put in mylar bags but powdered eggs, powdered butter and freeze dried meat and veggies we get there. Even just a few items can help you expand your meal selection. How wants to eat rice and beans every day? I can bake my own bread and now I have butter too, yum!!

        • Good advise. MREs are good for the early days of chaos, but waaay too expensive for extended use. Bulk grain gives a lot of bang for the buck. Around here, one of these bags of rice costs $15.95 right now. Total cost of storage in mylar bags and buckets is around $25. May be able to skip the Mylar because extended storage may well not be a concern.

        • pancake mix

      7. Barbed wire…add it to your preperations.

        • Tom, I suspect my HOA could soon have to allow barbed wire fences.

          • If you are in a city, as I am, you may have a city ordinance forbidding razor/barbed wire in residential real estate. Mine is installed below the fence line, so it cannot be seen by HOA busy-bodies.

            • Dboy… When SHTF, all local, state and federal ordinances and laws are tossed into the dustbin of history. Place strategic sections of tanglefoot around your perimeter. The local bureaucrats can be damned. All bureaucrats, politicians and government employees are just modern day versions of Maximilian Robespierre and we all know what happened to him after SHTF in France.

      8. There is no way in Hell, 2013? It will happen way before this time, the Hindenburg has been pierced, Oh The Humanity!

        • Agree that the summer 2012 time frame is probably a closer guess.

      9. UH, I think that guy in Tunisia set himself on fire in protest over some govt weenie harassing him on a license to sell veggies…..not the price of food….so to use that as correlation is quite a leap.

        Having dealt with local govt weenies in the past, I can understand the guy’s feelings.

        Also, aren’t we past the point that the prophet-in-his-own-mind Gerald Celente said there would be rioting in the streets ??

        I’m not saying bad things couldn’t happen, but I’m always leery of chickens little when the previous history suggests a long, slow, downward decline, and nobody accurately able to say when the S_will_HTF.

        • In Britain we have a name for these local govt busybodies: jobsworths, as in “Can’t do that mate, it’s more than my job’s worth.”

        • Gerald Celente has been right about events, his timeframes are just all outta whack.

      10. When the dollar loses its reserve status, that’s when the SHTF.

        • Absolutely! At that point, we have to pay “real world” prices for everything. As Gerald Celente has said many times, “When people lose everything, they lose it.”

          • Randy: Americans are paying “real world prices for everything” now, as prices are typically pegged to the USD.

            What you mean is that Americans are going to have to pay more of their income for everything as the dollar loses purchasing power for US.

            That will happen, is happening now, anyway, so the dollar need not lose its reserve status for that. Nor will it.

        • If you look at the Russian/Chineese energy agreement, they did it in their own currencies. That day ain’t far off.

        • That is not going to happen. There is no mechanism in place. There is no universal currency other than gold or silver. The world operates under keynesian economics, for better or worse. For that system to work there must be a lender of last resort. That is the FED using OUR money..

          The GB’s control the world economy through the US dollar. Why would they replace it with something they cannot control?

          The SHTF long before the dollar loses it reserve status.

          • durango kid…. have you ever heard of SDR s? it aint if , its when fella…. you are an extremely naive individual.

      11. Its a slow lingering a gut wound

        • So why the slow death??? 🙁

          • P.O.N.R: Its death by a thousand cuts so Americans will adapt to rising prices as OUR dollar declines in value. Its a creeping gradualism hoping that the frog does not notice that he is being boiled alive.

            If the frog understood that he was in fact being boiled alive he would jump out of the pan and burn DC with Congress in session; the frog would organize demonstrations outside of the HOMES of Congressional leaders, as well as the White House.

            If the Frog understood that he was in fact being boiled alive, he would march on Wall Street with tens of thousands of other frogs also being boiled alive and they would attack the McMansions of the CEO’s and SVP’s of the GB’s and burn them to the ground.

            When there is bllod on the Streets of America again, like there was during the Viet Nam War, the PTB will get the message.

            O’Bummer was quick to point out bthe illegitimate nature of Assads regime, and Mubarak’s regime, and Daffy Gaddaffi’s regime because millions of people took to the streets to protest the inequality between the those regimes and the people of those nations.

            I wonder if Obummer would accept the illigetimate nature of his own regime if all of the dissatified Americans in the country honked their horn at 12 noon on Labor Day in their respective time zone?

            • How concerned with “human rights” will obummer et al be when they are using more brutal supression tactics than have been used in Libya AND sYRIA?

            • The frog scenario is why I have a hard time seeing riots in our future. I think it will be more like those who stay at home with hidden gardens and shoot a few trespassers and those who wait in long lines waiting for food that has been modified to contain little true nutrition and getting dumber by the day. imo

      12. Maybe I missed it, but I saw nothing in the reports / links which specifically pointed to a country specific analysis I.E. the US. Everything I see listed Africa and the Middle East. Did I miss something ? Is there a country specific analysis charting the same price / reaction points in the US / Canada ? Even if the analysis model is correct; the data points ( reaction points ) would be different for each country / region based upon local resources, wealth and overall depth of economic activity. I did not see any data which specifically analyzed US based economic / reaction point data; so it seems a stretch to conclude that the results apply specifically to the US.. what did I miss in the report ?

        • Good question Sam. I guess I missed it too.

        • The problem with Africa and the ME I believe is that they as a whole are flooded with cheap American grains. When it costs a shop keeper less to buy food imported from Texas (including the shipping costs and our way of doing business, futures contracts etc.) what do you think the shopkeep and thus, the people are going to buy?

          When this happens it stifles local food production. The only people farming are subsistence farmers and the only commercial operations are in South Africa (not for long considering all the Boers getting murdered) and, surprisingly Egypt due to 7000 years of irrigation there.

          But again, it stifles local production. Now, what are all those American crops doing to the population? That’s right: keeping it artificially high, higher than what the land can support anyway. You’re looking at what’s happening to Somalia, a country of 10 million which can support organically maybe a quarter of that. What happens when the external food supply gets cut off, most likely due to fluctuations in market prices? That’s right: death and population movements. We often think these things are due to droughts or floods, but they are not the real problem, though combined they enhance the problem.

          • But it’s not just Somalia, it’s all of them. And what happens when the oil income runs out for the ME and the population is artificially 20x what the land can support; or in Africa which has been relying on aid and which has become increasingly urban (read shantytown) over the past two decades.

            It’s not just them, it’s the US too. There’s something to say for the Malthusian argument.

            • In that part of the world, their big problem is water.

        • Y’all didn’t miss a thing, it’s just senseless acedemic rhetoric. Economists and statistititians are folks that just couldn’t be successful at anything in the realm of reality!

      13. I hope things remain somewhat normal for that long.

        Andy is right. It only takes a second to think of the suffering that took place during the last great depression and it lasted for 10 years before the war was started.

        There may well be a similar period of “preparation” to get the remaining corp citizens to enlist and fight the corps final war. Only in this case, the US is the enemy that will fall and the corp alone will be there to pick up the pieces.

        Nobody really knows what is going to happen. It just will, and you will survive it or die. The when and the why will only be known by the future generations, if at all.

        Given the support the corp still has, even after it’s monumental fraud and theft has been brought into the light, those future generations will not know freedom and the corps crimes will be untold.

        • “It just will, and you will survive it or die.”

          I’d say that is a pretty good bet.

      14. I ‘get’ to push the cart for my wife while grocery shopping. You don’t have to be clairvoyant to see/know that not only are the prices going up weekly, but that the quantity of food in the packages is also going down. They like to get you coming and going.

        Last week I found myself steering these two young ladies away from the so-called ‘minute’ rice in aisle #4 over to the ‘regular’ long grain enriched rice. I also did a quick rendition of my “how to cook rice 101” for them. They confessed that they weren’t “big rice eaters” but that they figured that they had better get used to it now.

        That lady staring intently at the package of round steak over in the meat section is busy making an ‘executive-level-decision’ for her family; “Do I splurge on the round steak or grab the cheaper package of hamburger?”

        Do you know how to cook rice and dried beans? I mean, do you know how to prepare them so that your family will enjoy them and not object to eating them? Better get that one worked out for yourself before much more time goes by. Much of Central and South America gets by on a diet consisting of primarily rice and red beans.

        God Bless & good luck to all.

        • Fewer and fewer know how to cook rice and dried beans. Fewer still will eat them. This is America, ya know, we don’t eat _that_ stuff. We’re special 😉

          • Fewer and fewer know how to cook period.

            It’s why people are willing to pay 5-10x what food really costs at fast food joints and restaurants.

            Get used to that fatties! Eventually they won’t be there anymore.


            I loved living off of Spaghetti ($3 for a meal that lasts for days) while I was in the Army and saving 80% of my mediocre income. Rice and Chilli go a long way too, put in some chicken or beef (while you still can) and you’ve got something that will last for several meals after you’re done cooking it, and it’s delicious too.

            Cheap and effective. Better hope there’s refrigerators and electricity, if not team up and forage what you can in tribes. Spread around the campsite and take turns cooking.

          • One of my favorite meals is black beans and rice. I add a little onion to the black beans to season them. It’s filling and full of fiber.

            • Chuckles, haven’t had that one since camping in NM. Don’t eat for 12 hours after hiking and anything is amazing, even MREs.

              Maybe it’s time for me to stock up (even more) on 10lb. bags of rice and dried 15-bean soup mix.

            • Yum, black beans, red beans, onion, garlic, green peppers, and bacon with Cajun spices! Costs about 3 bucks to make and feeds my family of 6 for 2 days. I use tomatoes added in on day 2 and some tomato sauce to make a healthy stew. I just finished college in December (at 38) and have been living on a food bill of less than 300 dollars. Add in deer roast or pheasant for added variety.

          • People tend to say things like that, and talk about how they won’t be able to get their kids to eat stuff they don’t like, etc.

            I tend to disagree.

            I can say from experience – their is perhaps no greater appetite stimulant than extreme hunger.

            People would be surprised to discover just how yummy previously shunned food items can be.

            On the other hand – “Don’t like those boiled dandelion greens with rice and beans that I fixed for you? Fine. Starve then.”

            • I totally agree, i fasted for 3days once,only water,near the end of it i was craving things i would never eat, i didn’t care if it was asparagus, brussel spouts,dirt it didnt matter!

            • Future menu may include two choices:
              1) Take it

              2) Leave it

          • That’s why Americans are so fat and disgusting looking. You guys eat so much crap and rubbish, no wonder so many of you are sick.

        • And Papaya.. but not too many people will get the joke..

        • Minute rice is over 3x the price of bulk rice. Some Minute rice can be useful in the early days if a sudden, drastic event occurs.

        • I bought a case of more cheap detergent, 50 oz. for $1.25 at SaveALot; 5 days later went in for a case of chicken dumplings…that same detergent was $1.50!!!!!

          • I’m getting things on my ‘get done’ list that I’ve been putting off done.
            10 water barrels from Lexington Containers, 2 elements for the Berkey, more socks, undies, jeans, etc. and wood for the stove is next.

      15. Lets say the U.S. is completely immune and impervious to natural disasters, it will be a very slow, painful path for the SHTF to happen here. If I had to give a timeline, it would be 2018 to 2020. The U.S. doesn’t seem to run out of food stamps and other hand outs and some how always has sufficient amounts of food and resources. When you add in the factors of major natural disasters, that’ll be the game changer. You know China and Russia will continue to be raped and manipulated by the U.S. and its dollar, don’t count on China/Russia to do anything.

        • That does not work for BHO who needs to be ordained before then.

        • A Vision.

          China and Russia Strike

          Dumitru Duduman – April 22, 1996

          I prayed. then went to bed. I was still awake, when suddenly I heard a trumpet sound. A voice cried out to me, “Stand!”

          In my vision, I was in America. I walked out out of home, and began to look for the one who had spoken to me. As I looked, I saw three men dressed alike. Two of the men carried weapons. One of the armed men came to me. “I woke you to show you what is to come,” he said. “Come with me.”

          I didn’t know where I was being taken, but when we reached a certain place he said, “Stop here!”
          A pair of binoculars was handed to me, and I was told to look through them.

          “Stand there, don’t move, and look,” he continued. “You will see what they are saying, and what they are preparing for America.”

          As I was looking, I saw a great light. A dark cloud appeared over it. I saw the president of Russia, a short, chubby man, who said he was the president of China, and two others. the last two also said where they were from, but I did not understand. However, I gathered they were part of Russian controlled territory. The men stepped out of the cloud.

          The Russian president began to speak to the Chinese one. “I will give you the land with all the people, but you must free Taiwan of the Americans. Do not fear, we will attack them from behind.”

          A voice said to me, “Watch where the Russians penetrate America.” Then I saw these words being written: Alaska, Minnesota, Florida.

          Then the man spoke again,” When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning.”

          The other two presidents spoke, “We, too, will fight for you.” Each had a place already planned as a point of attack. All of them shook hands and hugged. Then they all signed a contract.

          One of them said, “We’re sure that Korea and Cuba will be on our side, too. Without a doubt, together, we can destroy America.”

          The president of Russia began to speak insistently, “Why let ourselves be led by the Americans? Why not rule the world ourselves? They have to be kicked out of Europe, too! Then I could do as I please with Europe!”

          The man standing beside me said, “This is what you saw: they act as friends, and say they respect the treaties made together. But everything I’ve shown you is how it will REALLY happen. You must tell them what is being planned against America. Then, when it comes to pass, the people will remember the words the Lord has spoken.”

          “Who are you?” I asked.
          “I am the protector of America. America’s sin has reached God. He will allow this destruction, for He can no longer stand such wickedness. God, however, still has people that worship Him with a clean heart as they do His work. He has prepared a heavenly army to save these people.”

          As I looked, a great army, well armed and dressed in white, appeared before me. “Do you see that?” the man asked. “This army will go to battle to save My chosen ones. Then, the difference between the Godly and the ungodly will be evident.

      16. Yes, and Gerald Celente forcast it was all going to fall apart during the 4th quarter of last year, NOT. Some other clown predicted it was supposed to have started last July, as in 2010, NOT. Look carefully at the hedge words many of the prognosticators use: could happen, might happen, etc. they always leave a way out when they’re wrong. Using these mathematical models is about like using behavioral models based on mathematics to predict criminal activity. Before someone commits a crime, and the cops detain the person in order to “prevent” a crime from happening. Has humanity really been reduced to mathematics and algorithms? Remember it’s a THEORY, a theory is something that can’t be proven, and at the same time it can’t be disproved.

        • So what are you saying?. Everything is cool. Listen to the bomster and stick your head back up your a$$.

        • None will know the day or the time except for the lord?

          Something like that. I think it’s hard to put a timeline on these things except for looking back in retrospect. All we can say is that it will be hard and painful.

      17. “The living will envy the dead.”


        • The living will probably EAT the dead!!

          • People get right with God.

            A vision;

            As I looked down to the ground I saw Staten Island, Manhattan Island and New York City. I could not believe that these missiles were getting ready to hit New York with such a magnitude. They were coming right down onto the state of New York. The next thing I knew, I was standing down on the ground looking at all of the devastation. All the buildings were totally annihilated. The big skyscrapers had fallen over as though a domino effect had happened when they were blown up. When they started falling, these skyscrapers fell one against another knocking each other down. There were dead bodies lying everywhere. Tens of thousands were dead and the air smelled of rotting, burning flesh. Not only did the air smell foul but as I looked everything was dark even though it was midday. I could not believe my eyes!

            I then sensed time had passed, weeks and months. God then let me see little children taking instruments like butter knives and scraping the corpses of the people that had died. The children were looking for food by scraping the flesh off the people’s bodies only to cause their own death later of radiation poisoning. The devastation was beyond anything of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The death and the disease that broke out after was beyond imagination. I could not believe what I was seeing. I was overwhelmed and sickened by the devastation. I asked God why He showed me this? He said He is going to judge the United States and He’s going to judge it hard. He said that the enemies of the United States are going to attack………………………

      18. It’s an easy bet. Obama will be crushed in a landslide of popular and electoral votes and the young people, i.e. blacks will take to the streets to loot and pillage. The reason April is chosen is the weather will keep the scumbags indoors post election. Something about the cold keeps these “youths” at bay, just like yellow jackets and other insects.

        • Sadly what you say is true. The murder rate here in Baltimore and in D.C. tends to decrease in the winter months and picks back up in the spring and summer.

          Something about sleeping all day, not working and having tons of pent up energy at night, plus heat makes for a bad combination in cities, especially considering that cities add about 10 degrees of heat compared to the surrounding areas. It’s not necessarily a black thing (though it is) but it’s a welfare thing. Whites subsisting on welfare or SS benefits might only be slightly better off.

          When SHTF most of them won’t survive.

        • think again… H.R. 645 waqs passed but they won’t update the web site and status…

      19. Now isn’t that the truth MM! Seen a lady last week that couldn’t make a Supreme Court decision on which package of mass produced non free range pre-frozen chicken of the same cut. You know the scenario: You can’t get away from the other shopper in a grocery store unless you go outside and come back in with a Mad Max bumper car and Charlie Sheen’s therapist on a retainer. Same thing in traffic or waiting in line at a quick store with an idiot at the front of the line. Murphy’s Law. No good deed goes unpunished. The more you’re in a hurry, the more obstacles. It’s their world and they are driving slow in the left lane with a leased KIA while talking on the phone during a brain siesta vacation with a donkey bumper sticker that wouldn’t know hope & change if they crawled over it in a Libyan border mine field with a pair of wooden chop sticks.

        • You have to see DINNER FOR SCHMUCKS.

        • You can LEASE a Kia? Sign me up! I want one with spinner rims and a window shaking stereo. Leave off the donkey bumper sticker and I’ll pay extra for it!

        • Oh, I almost forgot…it’s got to have them skinny little rubber band tires too!

      20. Scenario 1–The SHTF and we suffer total economic collapse in the West. Political upheaval and social unrest ensue. Total structural breakdown. Law enforcement and military abandon posts rather than kill citizens. Flee with families. Every man for himself in the ultimate TEOTWAWKI scenario.

        Scenario 2–The West finds a way to cope with its sovereign debt crisis. Markets stabalize generally, even if they suffer swings here and there. 15% unemployment continues or worsens. Eventually, the politicians and bankers get it and institute laws and policies that promote free enterprise and growth. By 2025, the West is out of crisis mode and enters a true recovery.

        Scenario 3–The economic breakdown worsens, but we avoid total collapse. The next 15-20 years are lost to 25% unemployment. A variety of governments over these years tweak law and policy, but the situation worsens. Enough people have jobs that there is no total collapse of the political and social orders. Governments remain the means to control the populace. Law enforcement and the military are used widely to quell disturbances and prevent manic rioting. Possible martial law. Possible FEMA herding. We emerge in 2025 with totalitarian government.

        In the true SHTF/TEOTWAWKI reality, only two possible outcomes–total chaos/anarchy or totalitarian tyranny. My bet is on a short period of the former followed rapidly by the latter. But I pray that scenario 2 is the one that plays out. It is the best we could hope for at this point.


          Devaluation of the Dollar and Hyperinflation

          Amos Scaggs – 3/19/09

          I dreamt I went up to the cash register to pay for an item. When I pulled out my money to pay, the dollar had devaluated by hundreds of dollars (Note from David: The dollar became valued at hundredths of its former value. Hundreds of dollars would be worth less than a dollar.) I had several hundred dollars in my hand to pay for a $60 item, but that wasn’t enough. By the time I was quoted the price and was in the process of paying, the dollar lost its value by hundreds. (I had another, different card that would purchase the item.) Then after that it was the barter system.

          A day’s wage for a loaf of bread is coming to our doorstep.

          *Berlin – December 1918 bread was 0.5 Marks; November 1923 bread was 201,000,000,000 Marks

          *One egg in 1913 was 0.08 Mark; November 1923 one egg was 80,000,000,000 Marks

          *One pair of shoes in 1913 was 12.00 Marks; November of 1923 shoes were 32,000,000,000,000 Marks

          One man said: I dropped into a cafe to have a coffee. As I went in I noticed the price was 5000 marks – just about what I had in my pocket. I sat down, read my paper, drank my coffee, and spent altogether about one hour in the cafe, and then asked for the bill. The waiter duly presented me with a bill for 8000 marks. “Why 8000 marks?” I asked. The mark had dropped in the meantime, I was told. So I gave the waiter all the money I had, and he was generous enough to leave it at that. –The memories of a German writer

          One of the causes of the inflation was Germany printed more and more money to pay off war debts.

          Does that sound familiar? We call it stimulus and buybacks.


          Gold and Silver Woes?


          We received two dreams around the same time, both unknown to one another, both about the economy, both about precious metals and both about a performance. God is speaking and confirming this revelation.

          Silver Hits the Floor
          April Selenskikh – 11/02/10
          (David’s notes in red)<- In parentheses in black and white.

          I am observing a class and sitting in the back row of the auditorium. The teacher is sitting near me and watching me. She is Indian. First I think it is a German class and hear German language being spoken. Next they are speaking French.

          I say to the teacher, “Oh, I speak some French." She says that I will probably go on stage soon, but I won't be speaking French. (A stage is for a play, as in not real or factual. Could it mean a fake economy that is for show?)

          I had a few silver bracelets on my left arm that fell and hit the floor. I drop to the floor, losing all dignity and began to crawl on the floor, looking to recover the silver.

          When the bracelets hit the floor they become a large pile of thinner silver bracelets, much larger around than what had been on my arm. There was a pile to my left and some a few rows in front of me. (The thinner silver could mean it is leaner and less valuable.)

          The teacher was looking at me with shock to see me crawling on the floor, under the seats, in a very undignified manner. I recovered most of the silver, but left some of the silver on the ground in front for some of the other people in the class to take. (Will other nations make off with American silver?)

          It appears Germany and France will be on the world stage with some economic difficulty and then America’s turn will come. Silver falling to the floor and becoming thinner or leaner sounds like what no one suspects. The web bots' analyst Clif High predicted a plot would become known to confiscate precious metals and it would precipitate riots and a market collapse. The Lord did say that if we stored up treasures for ourselves the thieves would get it.

          My interpretation/speculation:

          I am American and believe that I represent America in this dream. I am watching some events from afar. Something happens to Germany, then France. Another idea is the way Germany was overtaken by the Nazis/fascism and then France.

          (India watching the G20 conference … BRIC?)

          I believe the silver hitting the floor is an economic crash that grows bigger as it hits the bottom. America loses all dignity in the eyes of the watching world, trying to recover.

          Gold Burning
          Gideon Smith – 11/13/10
          (David’s notes in red)

          In this dream, my wife and I were walking outside on a bright and sunny day. Then I looked in the air and saw a very large, grey U.S. military transport aircraft. I then noticed that its flying maneuvers were very strange. It appeared to be zipping around, doing front and back flips and other odd movements that should be impossible for a plane that size to perform. (Sounds just like our economy.)

          Then my eyes seemed to be able to zoom in on the plane and I noticed it was not the kind of plane I thought it was from far away. It actually did not look like any plane I've seen before. (On close inspection, it is not a normal economy; nothing we have ever seen before.) Then, as my eyes zoomed out, it appeared to be the same large U.S. military transport plane.

          Then, as it was going in its circular motion, it began to move faster and faster and then it began to descend very fast toward the ground and it crashed, and when it hit the ground there was a gigantic explosion. I mean huge and a very large plume of fire rose to the sky and there was great fear. When I saw the explosion, I thought to myself, wow, this happened sooner than I expected. (We must be very close to the crash.)

          Then I began to run from this large flame that began to erupt from the explosion. As I ran, I saw a vision of an image of this woman's head which looked like it was made of gold and her face and head were burning with flames. Then, as I saw the vision, I understood it to be the Statue of Liberty. (America’s economy will fall very destructively. Even gold will be useless. In the last depression there was a four-day bank holiday, during which they made a law so they could grab the gold. It became useless to individuals or corporations. My guess is woe be unto those who are holding certificates and not gold.)

          After seeing this, I began to pray in the spirit, at which point I came out of that vision. Then I opened my eyes and found myself sitting inside of a movie theater, praying loud in the spirit and everyone was looking at me like I was crazy, as if nothing happened. (Movie theaters are for play-acting or fakery, just like this economy. It cannot be trusted and neither can the thieves who run it.) They did not see what I saw; they were getting ready to watch a movie. Then I woke up.

      21. I’m not so sure you can use this type of theory in our case. You see America is the bread basket of the world. The question is whether America would stop exports and feed our own first?

        Government controlled feeding or as I call it “Government Cheese” is exactly the type of control this Government wants.

        • I am told that the US is now a net importer of food products. Due to US currency decline and corporate takeover of farms. No more breadbasket for the world.

          • Not sure if it’s happened yet or not, but we’re close. We have millions of acres of idle land and a growing population. Cheap imports from South and Central America. ‘Economists’ were OK with this, because the profit margin on food is low. We were told we were better off producing TVs and cars… Uh oh…

          • Yes, last year was the first year ever that the USA was a net importer of food.

        • America might feed their own first, but who will America consider “it’s own?” Certainly not those evil hard-working white males.

        • Scenario 3 is starting now if you think about it. Its roughly 25% now… remember once unemployment ends you drop off the stats, so add those who have dropped off the recordable stats that still can’t find work from the original layoffs and those continuing and the true numbers are higher then the reported 9+%. The lie everone is living is due to the false numbers being reported by the the current admin.
          I average 15 to 20 applications a day, have sold things for gas to catch a possible interview, down sized, have little to no income from what I own left from selling it, and yet no jobs and thats with a B.A.

          • OuttaWork,

            When Ohio went to economic Hell my two uncles and an aunt there were out of work for periods of 8-20 months, and they have 5 masters degrees between them. By some miracle they all have jobs, though one moved out to Texas (the only state to have created jobs now that I think about it?) to get it.

            My father is one of the few people I know of who’s been continuously working (govt. contractor). Mother lost her part-time and hasn’t even looked since (i.e. not counted in the 9+%). Even my brothers and sister and I (I’m #3/4) have all had stretches of unemployment. I’m the only one without a B.A.

            It really solidifies the need to prepare. You’re not alone out there brother.

      22. I don’t think it will be a situation where you wake up one morning and it has happened (unless we are attacked by a domestic or foreign entity – EMP/Nuclear). It will happen slowly and you have to be very observant so that you know the optimal time to bug out if you need to. You will know in your gut when it happens.

        Rest assured the govt will know when it happens. And they will be standing by ready to remove more of your freedoms. We will see local & federal govt authority like we’ve never seen before. It’s all part of the plan.

        • right you are, it’s been happening for about four yrs now, maybe by 2013 after the floods and cold weather in some areas and droughts,heat waves in others, the food shortages will catch up, plus China and other countries with large hungry populations and money can buy all the rice ect.American families will finally have to get off their obese asses and plant some food.Instead of down loading all that crappy music, they should have been down loading how to plant a garden,make water safe and defend theirselves..

        • and then the party starts at SmokieOkie’s??

        • Most likely this will be the case. A shock to the present societal system can have unpredictable results, but the whole country will probably not be affected at once, or in the same way.

      23. If only the global predicament, the ominously looming and enlarging threat to everything that really matters was a laughing matter, that would be the best thing. If only the human family was not primary inducers and drivers of this colossal predicament, and therefore principally responsible for it; if only the many too many leaders who understand precisely what it is that we are discussing now here did not willfully deny science and consciously choose silence over speech. That too, would be the best thing.

        Thanks to all for speaking out, and for your willingness to consider the ideas that are presented here. More than ever before and most of all, I fear that the silence instilled in many too many by the greedmongers who rule the world in our time is leading to the destruction of everything each one of us is striving somehow, in any way at all, to protect and preserve.

      24. My God! The Sheeple have absolutely no clue what’s coming down the pike. What the hell are we going to do?

        No one (in my opinion) can call the timing of anything.
        I believe even Gerald Celente is right, but his timing is way off. At least some have the foresight to see what’s on the horizon.

        Timing Is Everything and Time is also something we’re running out of. Better a day early than a day late!

      25. Holy SHTF Batman! The drumbeats are getting louder by the day. Don’t forget to store up the fertilizers too along with all those guns and PMs. Third World USA right around the corner in a neighborhood near you. Peace be with you all.

      26. Okay, last time I checked the cut-off for anyone deserving some respect in the sciences and for statistical significance is p<.05 Unless that has changed since I took statistics?
        These researchers have a nice idea, but "the probability that the unrest in North Africa and the Middle East occurred by chance at a period of high food
        prices is p < 0.06 (one sample binomial test)" doesn't mean squat and a "conservative estimate" is still not statistically significant. Trying to forcast anything within a dynamic system usually does not work. These researchers are looking at areas that many would call a tinderbox with a hair trigger, and that alone raises suspicion.
        In my assessment of their paper, it is a stretch to make that jump to developed/ weathy nations unless there were to be a catostrophic event that shuts off the welfare bennies for the government moochers as well as many other factors. It is a good idea, just not solid enough.

        • We need Hari Seldon with some macro scale Psychohistoric Theory in here.

      27. Since the revolution in Egypt, the government there has not been able to keep up with food supplies to its people. The Egyptians are facing a major food crisis within months. Watch the news for this to explode. The middle east is about to get real nasty. Israel is in deep trouble. Libya may have lost control of over 1000’s of manpads.(shoulder fired SAM’s). Flight insurance is going up!

        • Israel is a major cause of problems for the US and the West on the global stage. I could care less what happens to them, they poisoned wells and stole land then made war with all of their neighbors on several occasions.

          Nothing prophetic or apocalyptic binds me to that country, it’s only going to get good people killed. Neither am I buying our government’s bologna that we need them as some kind of foothold of democracy in the ME.

          • Israel is much worse than that:

            “The best of the gentiles: kill him; the best of snakes: smash its skull; the best of women: is filled with witchcraft.” Kiddushin 66c The uncensored version of this text appears in Tractate Soferim (New York, M. Higer, 1937), 15:7, p. 282. “The best of the gentiles should all be killed.”

            The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews
            Ma’ariv 09.11.09 (p. 2) by Roi Sharon
            Here is a full translation of the article in the Maariv newspaper of Israel

            Rabbi Eliyahu exhorts the killing of women and children:

            Rabbis Yitzhak Ginzburg and Yaakov Yosef endorse Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro’s 2009 book endorsing the killing of babies and children, adding “It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for [threatening Israel]. If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments – because we care about the commandments – there is nothing wrong with the murder.”

            “Who is funding the rabbis who endorse killing Gentile babies?” By Akiva Eldar, Ha’aretz, 11/17/09
            “…For example, [Israel’s] government ministries regularly transfer support and funding to a yeshiva whose rabbi determined that it is permissible to kill gentile babies “because their presence assists murder, and there is reason to harm children if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us … it is permissible to harm the children of a leader in order to stop him from acting evilly … we have seen in the Halakha that even babies of gentiles who do not violate the seven Noahide laws, there is cause to kill them because of the future threat that will be caused if they are raised to be wicked people like their parents….”

            “…’living soul’ designates Israel because they are children of the Almighty, and their souls, which are holy, come from Him. From whence come the souls of other peoples? R[abbi] Eleazar said: ‘They obtain souls from those sides of the left which convey impurity, and therefore they are all impure and defile those who have contact with them.’…’living soul’ refers to Israel, who have holy living souls from above, and ‘cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth,’ to the other peoples who are not ‘living soul,” but who are as we have said.” Bereshith 47a

            “Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever… their material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews…” Abraham Foxbrunner. Habad: The Hasidism of Schneur Zalman of Lyady. Northvale NJ: Jason Aronson Inc., 1983. Pp. 108-109.

            And if you don’t think the US government is totally occupied by this genocidal religion/philosophy, please explain why the “international” banksters and financiers always get the loot they demand?

            • I bet all the Glen Beck zombies here won’t be pleased with your post:-)

          • W74 says:
            August 24, 2011 at 2:55 pm

            Israel is a major cause of problems for the US and the West on the global stage. I could care less what happens to them, they poisoned wells and stole land then made war with all of their neighbors on several occasions.

            The regathering of Israel begins with God’s prophecy to Abraham. “I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” (Genesis 12:3).

            The Arabs have no rights to the land of Israel whatsoever.
            “he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.” Zechariah 2:8

            If you touch Israel,you touch the apple of God’s eye is what God’s prophet Zechariah has forewarned.

            Support Israel!!!!

      28. Where I live eighty percent of the people work for the state,county or towns. you would think we were back in the 60s and everything was beautiful,Two cars and crew cab PU in every garage,a boat, some ATVs in every yd. there’s no depression here, even the retired workers( (taxfunded golden parachutes)are spend their spare time going to different minnie marts buying scratch offs. I wish I were 15 yrs younger to watch these brain dead idiots fighting over a piece of road kill someday. There’s nothing more aggravating than seeing people who have spent their whols life on the tax payers teat, retiring at fifty five and not even knowing that their state and tax payers are in trouble.They think the ck will always be in the mail. Our retired state workers,teachers ect. do not have to pay state income tasx and have lifetime med also.

        • Sound like your in my neck of the woods – San Antonio. My wife is not completely on board with preps but lets me pretty much do my thing within reason (budget). I continually tell her that San Antonio is not a gauge for what is going on economically in the rest of the US. We have a huge military industrial complex presence here that drives our economy. I don’t personally know one prepper but I try to wake up co-workers and friends but don’t believe they are to the point of prepping.

        • Was talking with another local prepper today about the same thing. In our region, roughly 4X the size of New Jersey, half the people are directly supported by gov’t. Another quarter are supported through providing services to the half. The last quarter scramble to make a living by resource extraction; fishing, guiding, mining, etc.

          Oh, population 2000-2500 depending on the season. We agreed that within a week or two of no gov’t money, over 90% will leave. And of the 200 remaining, half of them will die or leave within a few months. The remaining 100-150 will establish a barter system with food and firewood as the currency of the day.

          Of course, no worries about strangers coming in. Only one way in and as the say in Maine, “Ya can’t get theyar from heyar.”

          Now that bear that keeps laying his load (lotsa berry debris) in the trail to the river is trying my patience. Better be packing cause I am. Canned bear oughta have some trading value if the SHTF. But with all the folks leaving, won’t be squat for hunting pressure and salmon run in the rivers. Trapping only fair to middlin, but the wealthy will still buy fur coats.

          You think public employees have it good where you’re at. Try 5 years to vest, 20 and retire at 55, and no social security withholdings.

      29. Dudes!!!! Your all FRIED!
        You are going to be a target if you annouce how well prepped you are to your family and friends.
        Keep you mouths shut, loose lips sink ships.
        Might as well share your prep supplies with the rest of America.
        cause if you don’t, the masses will be AT YOUR FRONT DOOR to take it from you.
        oh yeah the guns, they’ll have em too.

        • heard about it
          wouldnt be anywhere near Wall Street..and its not because of these people , its because that place is full of nothin’ but crooks.

          but seriously ..if you think about this ..why would you want to set yourself up to be aligned with a group, your not really sure of all or any of their capabilities or personal adgendas.

          (not that you would personally)

          sometimes being low key is , learn ,listen and see what comes of this.

          • VRF,

            I hope you did not misinterpret my post. I do not want any part of that “Day of Rage.” I remember seeing something about that type of thing being pushed by the left on a Glenn Beck show earlier in the year.

            I fear that the recent events in Great Britain may have “encouraged” that type of behavior. It concerns me. I have family & friends in NYS. I wish they would move out.

            Did you know a 70 acre Islamic compound near Deposit, N.Y. (Islamburg) That concerns me too.

            KY Mom

        • Ky Mom: If they hang a few banksters it would break my heart at all. Just make sure they are SVPs and CEOs who no doubt will be conveniently out of town in Davos.

        • Ky mom; they need an excuse to start opening the FEMA camps for dissidents, especially when they start bringing back the troops they will need to employ them as guards.
          So when you hear scores of Americans locked up in FEMA camps you know our time is almost up!

          • Did you all know that FEMA camps have barbed wires facing inwards, that means detention camps, and who will be the guards? Unemployed military personel, yup your sons and daughters, brothers against brothers son against fathers, daughters against mothers.

            • Anyone here know about the FEMA Camp *Mormon* connection? Take your FEMA camp list (available from a Google search), now get the list of Mormon food distribution centers (available from the LDS website), and cross-reference the addresses. I think you will be surprised. In addition, you will note the proximity of rail lines.

            • Yup FEMA camps are a reality, and they just can’t wait to fill em up with People like us (preppers).
              Employ all the military personnel coming home, who have been traumatized with PTSS, they will be the ones to believe we are the enemy and will do what they are told.
              Heard that a congresswoman is targeting christian preppers,
              say we are unstable, believing the end of the world stuff.
              How can prepping for a disaster equate to being

          • I don’t remember where I read it, but it was posted around 2001 on the internet.
            The reason we are having all these wars and sending our troops out of the country, is so that when the shtf, they will use UN troops to control us, and our men will be overseas, and probably can’t get back to help stop the madness.
            An interesting theory.

      30. I won’t be surprised one bit if riots happen sooner than this predicted. No one I know has seen Barackula do jack shit to do nything to help get out of this mess – he just takes vacays and makes things worse, which obviously is part of the plan.

        I used to fear for my kid’s futures. Now at 41 years old, I fear for my own too. 🙁

      31. The government of the US has no food reserve ready to distribute to the people for any length of time. The feds might have some MRE’s for a small crisis, but they have nothing set up for huge numbers of people for any period longer than a few days. If you were aware how fragile our supply lines are for daily resupply at the local grocery stores, you’d have a stroke. I’ve witnessed the chaos after hurricanes Andrew and Katrina. In Florida, after Andrew, everyone had a gun on their hip. Every gas station clerk was openly armed. One store I went to had a volunteer armed guard in their lot walking people to their cars. The motel I stayed at became a fortress at 10 PM every night. Learn from other peoples experiences or learn from your own the hard way. If the electricity is out for a month, the stores will be closed for at least a month. No gas for a month or more.

        • Sadly, some people think the millions of emergency rations reportedly being aquired by the government are for us.

          Think bribes to keep police/military on the gubmint side.

        • Ted Nugent … Uncut, Uncorked and Uncensored! 2011(HD)

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      32. Shame on folks for hedging. Those prognosticators need to be more specific; like April 1st, 2012 at 3:05EST.

        Come on now. All they can do is tentatively identify a window of probability based upon historical records. Too many variables.

        In any system, be it mechanical or econo-political, every attempt to increase efficiency of scale runs into a couple of problems. The point of diminishing returns and increased complexity.

        Diminishing returns is increased investment resulting in smaller and smaller increments of profit.

        Increased complexity results in more sub-systems to break down or be subject to disruptions due to outside influences such as weather.

        Remember the flooding in the mid-west? Now couple that with ag exports to politically sensitive areas deemed in “national interest”. We have a declining economy, increasing food prices, high unemployment, mortgage breakdown and extreme national debt.

        Now factor in this tidbit: “The business of America is business. Calvin Coolidge”. It is called tax revenue enhancement. So in order to achieve the highest tax revenues, we were encouraged to enter the global market via production or distribution. Each requires intense regulatory compliance with a minimum of quarterly reports to the gov’t. Every transaction carries a tax bill.

        The complexity we gladly accepted to maintain our standard of living has put us in the position of increased vulnerability to disruption in the production and distribution sectors.

        Once the stage is set, even a seemingly isolated incident such as the food vendor in Tunisia can ignite a shit-storm. The US has the resources to carry us through. The problem will be allocation and distribution. Do we run with the concept of equitable or maintain our system of economic access. Socialist or capitalist? Depends on whether you are a have or have-not. That food vendor in Tunisia was a have. Small-time, but a have none-the-less.

        Our system is currently powered by confidence and little else. One the management loses the confidence of the producers, distributors or consumers, the system faces failure. Please notice I stated, “or” not “and”. The complexity of the world market coupled with international politics is the problem.

        There is no viable national alternative to this complexity. At the family level, reduction in complexity is possible only by reducing our easy standard of living. Think the “R”s. Reduce, recyle, re-use and repurpose. Only by increased family labor can we reduce our family’s vulnerability to macro-events.

        Life is all about choices. Consider the evidence. Then choose wisely. Luck is fleeting at best; wisdom lasts a lifetime.
        Beans: There is a reason most refuse to cook beans. The rehydration and cooking is heavily influenced by the age of the beans. I am still using 20+ year old beans. Normal cooking procedure fails. However there are options. The best I have found is before the overnight soak, run the beans through a steel bur mill with the burs set about a 1/4 bean apart. DO NOT use a stone bur mill (oil). Then soak overnight. Next day cook them in a pressure cooker no more than 1/3-1/2 full. Any more and get an education in foaming. You have the equivalent of refried beans and it does make good chili or ham and beans.

        Been my observation that Americans have become conditioned to starchless rice. Quick rices are washed to extract as much starch as possible from the exterior of the kernel. Ever try to eat quick rice with chop-sticks? Conditioning can be overcome by reconditioning.

        To often we forget oats. Old saying about oats. “The British raise fine horses on oats while the Scots raise fine men.” Dehulling is problematic, but once dehulled you can use as is or steam them and run through steel rollers to make rolled oats.

        Barley is the most disparaged of the grains. Hulls and no flavor without toasting. That is how you get black barley bread. But most of us love our beer. Barley malt is the key ingredient. “Beer is proof that god loves us. Ben Franklin.”

        On an active day, this old man burns between 4500 and 9000 calories a day depending on season; at -20F I really burn the calories. I have found that 4 oz of good protein is all I need to rebuild muscle mass. We have become addicted to massive amounts of protein in our diets and the health effects are openly visible.

        Greens are important for vitamins and minerals. All of them dry just fine and can be added to any soup, stew or whatever. It will probably turn the stuff in the pot green, but it is nutritious.

        Never forget rose hips as a source of vitamin C. Scurvy kills. The process of making wine does NOT destroy the vitamin C so consider fruit wine making. Jesus did NOT turn the water into soda pop.

        Believe what you will, do what you’re gonna do. Ain’t none of it my concern. Work diligently and you will get your just rewards. Cause working folks problems and there is a distinct possibility others will see you as the problem. Lots of folks are adept a problem solving.

        • ^^Some will adapt the hard way. Knowledge is great, experience is better. Those who adapt will live and pass on their genes just as our ancestors did during the ice ages.

      33. The well known physicist, Dr. Michio Kaku, points out something very interesting about the rise of globalism. If the trend continues successfully it will usher in a new era of cooperation that will lead to greater things, what he calls a Class 1 Civilization. However, the transition from where we are now to this next step is exceedingly risky. That is to say, if it fails it could bring on the end of civilization. Please click on my name and watch this 8 minute video and tell me your interpretation, and especially, should we be fighting the globalist trend?


        • Prepper,

          I didn’t take the time to watch your video. If God meant for us to be global we would all speak the same language and have wings to fly.

          The globalist want you to believe that if they succeed the world will be a better place, a Class 1 Civilization.

          So long as greed drives globalism, the transition will be resisted and risky. But only to the globalist, as it should be.

          These banker types have no conscience, no soul. What they see as a Class 1 Civilization is for everyone to suffer except for them. Hell has a special place for them.

          I only hope when the SHTF, the names and addresses of the globalist becomes common knowledge so those with nothing left to lose but their lives can at least take part of the problem with them.

          Can you imagine the pleasure of taking the head of the Rothschild family and (insert your preferred method of torture here) while he begs for mercy, while the rest of his family waits in line for their turn?

          There can be no globalism, nor should there be. The corp is global, but people can not be.

        • Prepper: Checked the link. Its just more PROPAGANDA by the Globalists to encourage US to accept the changes being imposed by the gangster banksters and political elite under a systematic gradualism designed to deny Americans their Constitutional rights under nature’s God and impose a new system of government under a Compact with the UN, IMF, and World Bank; in the name of Star Trek, and a “Galactic Civilization”. How transparent!


          The Globalist view is rule by a few, for a few, while only a few prosper from the “planetary civilization” of a “Class I” civilization where all of the resources are organized, controlled, and manipulated by the PTB for their benefit under corporate fascism.

          A Class I civilization under a globalist perspective would require a serf-socialism for the uneducated with government assistance paid for by the entrepenuers, small business owners, public employees, and technocrats of the middle class, to mitigate social unrest, while corporations would harness the energy of the sun in large facilities and charge US increasing rates for the power.

          Sound familar?

          Yes, I see the “green shoots” of a Class I civilization as desired by the globalists, and if left unchecked and unreversed it will destroy the greatest culture of personal liberty, equality, and pursuit of happiness yet devised by man, plummeting him back into a lifetime of serfdom and financial servitude, to the benefit of an elite management / ruling class.

          They push “multiculturalism” as a euphanism for race relations, but its not about color; its about culture. That is why multiculturalism doesn’t work. Its about mindset and belief system. It is about the spirit that pervades these people and moves the people of these other cultures, or not.

          Americans have a culture that is being invaded, twisted, and corrupted by an alien race, an alien political culture, and a financial system that has been co-opted by the GB’s.

          When Patriots renew the American Spirit, re-pose Constitutional reforms to finance and politics and expel invaders from within OUR borders, America will rise again as the nation We have known and loved.

          The best chance for a real Class I Civilization to emerge upon this planet is based upon the American Constitution, personal liberty, and financial opportunity for those willing to educate and apply themselves, with low taxes, less regulation, and much much, smaller government.

          American Patriots will not kneel before the God of Multiculturalism; Government of, by, and for the United Nations. WE will not accept the dissolution of the US Constitution without Civil War.

          On the contrary, WE advise all people of the Earth to adopt a Constitution like OUR own, under Nature’s God, subject only to Him. OUR rights are not derived from any Crown, or Organization. They are unalienable.

          WE will not be serfs, subjects, or slaves. We will vote; WE will fight; and WE will die if necessary to preserve the American Way of Life.

          The second American Revolution began in Novemeber of 2010. Twelve years from then, you will see a New America rising that will embrace its heritage.

          The age of Globalism as planned by the Bush / Bilderburg Alliance is over.

          • In particular, this guy said that the nations of Europe had organized themselves into the European Union so as to compete with the North American Union of the United States, Mexico, and Canada.

            That is a fucking lie! Twisting the Truth to make Globalism acceptable.

            The European Union was organized as a political offshoot of NATO to integrate these separate nations economically and to merge their economic activities so that WAR which had devasted these countries for centuries could be abolished BETWEEN them; and long, long before the North American Union was a gleam in the eye of the Bush Bilderburg Alliance.

            • AMEN! Thank you very much!

        • Rich,

          Do you recall the tribes of people in Columbia and Brazil that have not “integrated” with society and live as they have since who knows when? This is evidence fo the fact not everyone wants to be assimulated into a Class I Civilization. Such a society will likely be a communist/socialist hybrid with no capitalist tendancies, possible no money, no self direction of choice, no authonomy, and NO DAMN football (j/k). I’ll keep my God, my Guns, and my Gold (or in my case silver) thank you.

        • In the words of the great Rev. Jim Jones
          “it’s too late”

        • Prepper,

          Don’t really know what to tell you but I can say this( All PTB want only one thing, More power and money)
          To the video I watched well I wouldn’t put my faith it what he has to say.I believe in my heart oand sole that if we fught for anything it should be for our Freedom that our forefathers gave thier live for.. you see the problem I have with this is nobody is a Class1 or A class2,,, we all are people simple and plain, you are no better then this guy on the video. We all were created equal…


      34. Celente says these things will happen by 2012. Ruppert says they will happen by this past July.

        I saw one wag say that these thing would happen by 2016 2017.

        If these guys keep predicting stuff, one of them someday is gonna be right.

        • Yep…..even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

          • The only way to predict the future is with a well placed shot and then it’s home to the freezer…or a dirt nap!

            Why don’t you boys relax take a nap!…all will come in due time!

            Sometimes preppers are like a bunch of kids in the back seat on a long trip…are we there yet? are we there yet,are we there yet?are we there yet?
            are we there yet?are we there yet?are we there yet? NO! now shut up!!!!!!! 🙂

            • +1

            • +2

            • I think Marine M One & prior Okie have been talking:’> Realistic plans that you can keep and listen to others with their ideas. Waiting to pull the trigger on my plans. I can’t sail in Okiehoma in the winter ice and won’t be a lightning rod but the lakes are beautiful there. I like lobster & BIG fish if you can reel it in quick enough. It’s not the destination, it’s the journey under sail. Jump into the “blue” away from the sight of land & you might understand. SHARK or blue sky! Bring it…

            • Dad are we there yet????????LMFAO

            • We’re almost there.

              We’ve only just begun to live White lace and promises A kiss for luck and we’re on our way We’ve only begun
              Before the risin’ sun, we fly So many roads to chooseWe’ll start out walkin’ and learn to run And yes, we’ve just begun
              Sharing horizons that are new to us Watching the signs along the way Talkin’ it over, just the two of us Workin’ together day to day, together
              And when the evening comes, we smile So much of life ahead We’ll find a place where there’s room to grow And yes, we’ve just begun
              Sharing horizons that are new to us Watching the signs along the way Talkin’ it over, just the two of us Workin’ together day to day, together, together
              And when the evening comes, we smile So much of life ahead We’ll find a place where there’s room to grow And yes, we’ve just begun.

              I’m not hungry yet…

      35. In case you didn’t know. In Illinois and probably other states, Link cards (food stamps), are accepted for payment at fast food joints now. They can also get cash back for drugs and booze and stuff. The fast food lobbyists got busy on this one because they didn’t want to miss out on free fed money. Anybody still working?

      36. Folks… I have lived in S. Fl. for many years. If you are on the East Coast, north of N. Carolina… get your stuff taken care of. It could be that the hurricane will have minimal impact; but it could also be devastating.

        Take care of yourselves and your family.. most everyone reading here is well prepared; but make sure you also have some cash in small bills; get any needed meds no later than tomorrow, today is better. Be certain that you have enough of “whatever” to take care of all necessities for a minimum of 2 weeks. A major flooding event could easily take that long to recede, depending upon topography.

        • Great advice Sam… New Englander’s Prepare!

        • Sam gives great advice from past experience. I’d like to hear more from folks that have disaster experience on this site.

        • This will bash up some old rotted piers pretty good and untether some boats like the last time a “major” hurricane came up the Chesapeake (Isabell 2003) but it won’t cause TEOTWAWKI.

          I’m not worried, besides, I’ve got my GO bags in case it’s time to GO.

      37. Of course theres going to be riots when you are stupid enough to let your government and economic system starve you to death. You tend to go out kicking and screaming.

        “WAKE UP PEOPLE!” – Nothings going to change until we stand up.
        Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( )

        Enough talk, it’s time to get organized. Join the Revolution…

        “Spread the News”

        • Dude….Krugman…really? Bigger part of the problem then a solution.

        • Mad Max: As I have noted before, YOUR revolution is not an American Revolution. I have been to your website. By any other name, you promote the Tyranny of the Proletariat.

          From what I have read of these posts over the last year and a half is that NOBODY here wants socialism.

          WE ain’t buying.

      38. I’m truly concerned about what will come pouring out of inner city hives like Houston, Dallas, Queens, Oakland etc. if food inflation leads to chronic shortages & starvation.

        Between the willfully ignorant prozac poppin’ chumps in the burbs and the welfare-dependent, crack-smoking scum festering in the cities… many stand-up Americans will be left to contain the chaos that will ensue when the food and fuel runs out?

        nine meals to anarchy is a good-enough metaphor to scare anyone who thinks about it….but add loss of power, unclean water, no access to medical care or medicines, no police presence (or an aggressive police presence) and “community activists” taking the law into their own hands and we’re going to see unimaginable carnage in our streets.

        I couldn’t imagine a better scenario to drive the American people to flush the shit out of the toilet bowl of corruption that is Washington D.C. and to restart our political process fresh anew…..

        We just have to survive through the coming anarchy first….

        • I hate to drop in and tell you that chaos and widespread riots will never happen in America

          • Splish splash I was tak’in a crap.

            • LOL…you where dropping Obamas kids of at the pool too??

          • Yes it will because good ole middle america has just joined the minority poverty class just in case some of you whities havent noticed

            • That looks you the “other” sam. The previous bad sam. The green eggs & ham sam.

          • OK, thanks.

        • “I’m truly concerned about what will come pouring out of inner city hives…” Brings to mind a friend’s story of what happened in the late 1960s at a spring flower show in Baltimore. Ladies in old-fashioned long dresses and pretty hats selling flowers in a square, a tradition that went back quite a few years. Beautiful weather, everyone having a great time, couldn’t ask for a better day. And then someone spotted them – an angry sea of about a hundred young blacks shouting and running toward the square. Flower pots thrown to the ground and broken, ladies shoved, customers assaulted. Then the police on horseback arrived, beating the GD savages with billy clubs and arresting dozens. In one violent moment a lovely old tradition died – friend said the flower show was never held again. Said it made him sick with anger and disgust. Us too…

        • Yea, when they form “flash mobs” to loot stores for things like beer, what would happen if their basic needs stopped being met?

      39. Damn, I hope fema is ready for the lib tard states and the other good people. My golf game is done.

      40. fear mongering is one way to push sales.

      41. Spent 5 mins thinking about a post and typing it.. Only to find out my post are coming to fast,,, Damn 1 post in 12 days…… Damn Mac sue the people who sold you this program…..



      42. “we correct prices for reported ination”

        Not sure if you lost the “f” during formatting or it was wrong in the article you copied, but maybe that was suppose to be “inflation”. Or maybe there is a new Apple product “ination”

        “Low Plans Perspective”

      43. Heroes are wild cards. You can’t predict them. That’s why TPTB sometimes get their comeuppance.

        Mohammed Bouazizi was a nobody, out of millions of nobodies, who became a Hero.

        Note what Bouazizi did NOT do: He didn’t riot. He didn’t assassinate anyone. He didn’t hijack a plane.

        Human history is full of stories of leaders whose self-sacrifice prompted others to burst their shackles. Why does such self-sacrifice work? Sometimes it’s more important to observe the fact, than it is to explain it. Facts often speak for themselves.

        Look at a big crowd of your so-called “sheeple,” and understand that there is a lot of Bouazizi potential among them.

        • The pen is always mightier than the sword. Organize. Join. Vote for a patriot. A true patriot, who believes that the US Constitution is under attack from Globalists; who believes that unchecked and unreversed, Illegal Immigration is a threat to American sovereignty and represents economic injustice for the American taxpayer and family; who believes that OUR financial system has been hijacked by the GB’s and co-opted to serve them through managed trade; who believes the Patriot Act is a treasonous law that breeches OUR liberties guaranteed by the US Constitution and like the Lame Stream Media, is merely a tool for Big Brother to spy on US, try to control US, and spread the propaganda of the PTB.

          Organize. Join. Lead. Contribute. Engage. Vote.

          Buy gold and prep. 🙂 That 5% drop in the price of gold really hit my balance sheet! Just saying.

          • In the end Lead will be the bargaining tools for some

      44. I just watched Jericho on Netflix and it does a good job showing what it’s like when the SHTF. I’d recommend watching it because it rocks, it’s about Kansas, and it might help in preping.

        “Low Plans Perspective”

      45. Sorry to disappoint you. TSHTF sooner than 2013!
        Probably by this fall!

      46. Nam
        Could be. I think if and when it comes it will be just after the grain crops are in. Lot easier to get the folks compliant when you can feed them. No different from when I raised pigs. Digging under the fence ends when the slop bucket shows up.

        None the less, the PTB will try to hold it together as long as possible or until after the election. Don’t s’pose the politicians want to join the herd trying to dig under the fence.

      47. No doubt about it, it’s finally going to happen!

      48. 2013? I think not. The gubment won’t let things get out of their control. There will be a false flag event in this country that will precede and mask the food price issue. By the time food prices start to skyrocket, we will already be under the thumb of the military. Maybe as soon as this winter. The 2012 election will be “postponed” and BHO will assume his role as martial law dictator.

        That will be the end of the greatest experiment in representative democracy in history.

      49. On the outdoor channel this evening on “Best Defense” program, they had info for emergency dental care. For when your dentist can’t be had. Someone is selling emergency dental kits. Have to google up the info or kidnap a dentist when the SHTF.

        • Check out “When There Is No Dentist”. It can be downloaded for free, although printer ink is not free.

      50. Food riots in April 2013 huh?? ROFLMBO

        That’s IMO is like me saying I think the sun will rise tomorrow at 6pm Eastern time

      51. SHTF will happen as soon as Obumma loses the election, because he will play the race card & blame us all for being racists!
        As for all who plan to grow their own food, this is a noble task, but a dangerous & inviting thing for the starving swarm from the cities who will be desperate enough to kill to feed their own. May I suggest either hydroponics or aquaponics? You would have more peace of mind growing all your crops safely under a roof [shed or barn] w/o soil, only water & lite.[but with aquaponics it`s water, lite, & fish]
        You could diversify [can`t always depend on rain for the crops]. When we go to the groceries we buy extra canned food [lots of times the dates on the cans will have dates up to 2 years down the road] for a separate stash; plus we buy lots of MRE`s [about $1.15 pr meal] while they are still available from E-Foods Direct. [they even have a “stowaway program”– $149 a month f/12 mos. for a year`s worth of chow. When you add water, you wouldn`t know it`s a MRE—it is delicious!
        It wouldn`t hurt to buy a Sawyer water filter system for all kinds of water— dirty, muddy, oily, contaminated, etc. Only $90 but guaranteed for life, just backflush it every million gallons of useage. The filtered water comes out crystal-clear & tasty every time.
        Keep your powder dry.

        • Wouldn’t hydra/aquaponics be heavily dependent upon electricity?

          • you can run a system on solar or other free power, i know this because im doing it, i figured out along time ago that it would be important to learn how to grow food in a bunker. i currently use solar and micro hydro to power my bunker garden,it makes more sence to grow food year-round then to grow it all at one time and risk losing it to bugs or takes alot of energy to can enough food for a family of 6, i still do it but the year-round, indoor, hydroponics is the ticket, id like to give a shout out to all the pot heads on you-tube for there knowledge on growing indoors.

            • Don’t forget windpower. I have seen a number of those wind turbines from SW Windpower spinning like crazy. A number of good DIY VAWT how to’s on You Tube.

              Google them.

      52. I suppose a lot depends on where they get their information as many MSM lies have been exposed- a lot just this week. Take the situation in Libya. SHTF may happen when the masses figure out the truths such as, it’s a CIA coup d’état and they are being played as big fools, again. Masses fell for GeeW’s WMD Iraq lie… now they are fooled again! Obama is just another deceiver so the media is passing off people and flags of Indian as people and flag of Libya- because Libyans are not fighting, mercenaries are, and none are celebrating NATO’s humanitarian bombing. And wait til all the unemployed, broke and uninsured Americans find out Libyans have free medical care and education; $64K for newlyweds, $1K per person annually, interest free loans for car/home, $7K for every newborn and gas is cheaper than water. Americans get robbed and evicted by banksters, GMO-everything food, oil and poisonous Corexit seafood, doused with chemicals from planes, are spied on and lied to at every turn. Yep, it’s a war on Freedom and People everywhere!
        expose the lies:
        ‘Media Caught Showing FAKE FOOTAGE of Green Sq., Libya – That is the Indian Flag!!!’

      53. Am I the only one who’s sick of articles claiming “next year we’ll have a collapse and riots”?
        Stop it already!

      54. The writings on the wall, but nobodys paying attention . The New World Order will soon take over. Get ready for your micro chip implants. Would you like it in your right hand or forehead ? 1 world government right around the corner .

      55. Greetings Everyone!!!
        Lots to mull over being written here(sometimes nowhere else)
        Slowly trying to get prepped(tent foodstuffs and other items).Food $$ rising exponentially even as we speak.I don’t expect a 2012-2014 collapse.I DO believe things will be very much like Russia after the USSR failed.Afghanistan was the graveyard of the USSR.I would be surprised if it isn’t the US’s as well.Yet,things are changing and taking a new direction here,unlike the Russians.People are beginning to look for ways to produce the important stuff here rather than abroad.Oddly,the Feds are trying to use their “muscle” to slow down/prevent just the people and ideas who could best remedy our current severe problems.More than one
        “NERO” in Washington it seems.If history is any guide,THE CHANGE will happen.Some if not most will be able to benefit from it.Many Others will probably suffer,commit crimes and even die while trying to maintain their current status quo.As a people,We don’t have much time before it acquires enough momentum to force even those American PTB who oppose it to admit it’s full arrival.This CHANGE is happening on a world wide scale.TPTB world-wide will be unable to stop it no matter if their location is Asia,eastern Europe or the Americas North or South.Being even in a partial “prepped” state is admitting it’s coming.And I may add being prepped is a better than being buried or burying those you love.
        I can’t predict the shape of things to come,or when(thought about it sometimes though).My hope is in the Kingdom of J.C. coming.Failing that(it STILL might not be the day or hour),things ARE going to be headed in a new direction for sure.
        My Best to ALL,
        Hug your loved ones for me

      56. How does halting ethanol production from corn help fix the world food crisis?

      57. its time for all of us white,black,brown or asian as americans we all need to fight i no people are afraid to die for whats right but, when you see your loved ones sick and you cant help or feed them tell me whats better to fight for whats right or keep putting up with this crap stop.paying your bills and homes we must all do this theres no choice anymore they took all of our money and homes values and said so what what are you going to do they think we are weak its time to do battle you,dont wanna go threw the hell they are about to put us threw so wake up stock up on food guns and lots of ammo and get ready for an all out war because the government of this country has declared war on us along time ago i pray for all of you and wish you the best wise up people its all about to go down soon

      58. its time to start worrying about other countries and demand that the government do for there own

        • Please use proper grammar or you will give the brainwashed fools and media a motive to portray you as a crazy prepper, who doesn’t know how to speak properly, let alone know what’s going on with the country. I know and believe in what you say, but say it in a manner that they won’t have anything negative to associate with your type. I know it’s hard sometimes, almost impossible, but you brave people need to stand your ground and you need to be in your best shape, both mental and spiritual. Don’t think the food you stored will last, start by hungering yourselves to see how your brain handles it. Be prepared for everything. Don’t overdo it, you don’t want to weaken yourselves, just get used to the idea that you won’t have anything to eat or drink for days, be prepared for the worst thing possible.
          They are coming for you and they hunger! Better get the silverware and clean table sheets and get ready to “greet your guests”.
          AND STOP WRITING ON THE INTERNET THAT YOU ARE PREPARING!!! Don’t be idiots, they own everything, STOP GIVING THEM INFORMATION (Facebook, Twitter, Google, Gmail – stop using them, there are more, read, search)!
          May God be with us all, now and forever.

      59. NO ONE can predict the future, only the outcome, but big deal we all know that already.

        No food means riots, riots mean martial law, martial law means tyranny, tyranny means collective self-destruction, collective self-destruction is code word for WAR.

        Isn’t that funny? All roads are paved with good intentions whose final provocation is WAR.

      60. You People are F’n WACKOS!!!!!

      61. Prescience

        In the coming time of retribution,(9/2013)
        the weak shall rise,
        and the mighty shall quake,
        shifting the global distribution
        of power, wealth, and grace.
        The young lions shall rule for an hour,
        while an eagle is clipped of it’s wings,
        and a bear retreats into hibernation,
        …both wounded beyond a reprieve.

        Sweet victory is short lived (2/2014)
        for the double-starred shield;
        a gate opens from Hell,
        and, darkness prevails.

        Dark leads to black, (3/2014)
        no turning back,
        all is rearranged,
        time itself is changed.

        Water is disease, (2/2017)
        all green things cease,
        but of little concern,
        for, even the air has burned.

        Time of last breath, (9/2017)
        Life, has failed the test.
        By lack of spiritual reprove,
        Mans’ reign of Earth is through.

        But then emerge, one pure soldier, (11/2017)
        whose hand holds the purity of might;
        releasing the powers of perfection,
        dividing the darkness, with new light.

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