Recount What? As They Hunt For Missing Votes, Trump Argues “Millions Voted Illegally For Hillary”

by | Nov 28, 2016 | Aftermath, Conspiracy Fact and Theory | 88 comments

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    Trump can’t believe that Team Hillary is pulling this crap.

    This article was written by Tyler Durden and originally published at Zero Hedge.

    Editor’s Comment: It is hanging chads all over again… well, really, nobody knows exactly which voting irregularities have supposedly spurned the recounts in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, the exact three states that would need to be overturned in order to grant Hillary’s wish-from-a-genie to be president at all costs.

    Meanwhile, back in reality, President-elect Trump calls out the fact that literally millions of people voted illegally for Hillary, and the sitting president even encouraged them to do so. Project Veritas and others captured video admissions that Democratic operatives are aiding and abetting shady voter drive efforts that involve bending the rules to the point where undocumented immigrants, dead people still on voter roles and stuff ballot operations are done de facto to rig, distort and, if necessary, steal elections.

    So while they recount, looking for a needle in the haystack, and a Hail Mary! hope and prayer, everyone is wondering why no one goes to jail at the top of the ticket, and in spite of massive illegal activity, and why no one in America seems to care that things have deteriorated into the state of a banana republic.

    Trump Tweets: “Millions” Voted Illegaly For Hillary Clinton

    In what is either Trump’s latest trolling of the already neurotic media, or just his conversion to “conspiracy theorism” much to the delight of Russian propaganda, “fake news”-spotting anonymous groups everywhere, moments ago the President-elect tweeted that he would have won the popular vote if “millions of illegal votes” were discounted.

    “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally,” Trump wrote on Twitter.

    The statement, the latest in a series of 12 consecutive tweets provoked by Jill Stein’s campaign for a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania may ironically help Stein’s cause should Trump’s tweet be seen as “confirmation” of illegal voting during the presidential election, albeit in the other direction… although by now the entire narrative is so absurd and surreal, not even Salvador Dali would dare touch it.

    Trump – who won the one vote that mattered – also tweeted that he would have won more easily if he had based his campaign strategy on winning the popular vote, instead of visiting states with a larger number of Electoral College votes.

    Several hours later on Sunday, Trump followed up with a question for the media: why isn’t it reporting on “serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California.”

    Earlier on Sunday, Trump predicted that the recount effort in three states will not change the results of the election.

    “Hillary Clinton conceded the election when she called me just prior to the victory speech and after the results were in. Nothing will change,” he tweeted. As reported yesterday morning, Clinton’s campaign announced it would participate in the Wisconsin recount, which is already set to begin this week, despite admitting there is no actual evidence of vote rigging.

    Clinton is currently leading Trump by more than 2 million in the popular vote. Politicians including Bernie Sanders, have called for an examination of using the Electoral College to decide who wins the presidency, rather than the popular vote.

    Trump warned during his campaign that the election could be rigged, though election officials scoffed at the claims, noting the country’s use of a decentralized system in which ballots are counted by thousands of Democratic and Republican officials across the country.

    In retrospect, it is Hillary who is now taking advantage of recount hopes resulting from an allegely rigged vote, while the latest twist to come from Trump himself is that the vote was indeed rigged with “millions of people who voted illegally” despite Trump’s victory.

    The recount push started one week ago after a group of election lawyers and computer scientists claimed the election results in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked by Russians.

    However, there is no evidence of millions of people voting illegally, as Trump suggested on Twitter, an allegation which ironically would benefit Clinton should other states follow suit with similar recount efforts.

    In short, a total mess, which probably is bullish for stocks.

    This article was written by Tyler Durden and originally published at Zero Hedge.


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      1. No doubt. Go home scum illegals.

        • I see there was an attack on the grounds of one of our (Liberal Incubation Centers) my new term for colleges. Another Somolia , don’t suppose he’s a Muslim! Trekker Out.

          • Yep, he is with allah and moohamed now, in hell where they all belong.

            • I feel for all those that were injured on the Liberal Incubation Centers campus, but I wouldn’t be supirsed if most of them weren’t in favor of bringing in all those muslim aliens. Trekker Out.

              • Yes, kids are so screwed up now that their true enemies they call friends and those of us that love and want to protect them are called enemies. This country is lost after we die off unless we rid ourselves of some filth mighty quickly. I like your new term. It’s very accurate.

              • Yes the ultimate reality check for our higher-ed nitwit cry babies these days, HA HA HA HA HA HA . I love it when reality kicks in and it is undeniable. PRAVDA/MSM kicks in to over hype the false narratives !

              • Vote Fraud Monitoring Group Says Three Million Noncitizens Voted in Presidential Election

                Lax Enforcement

                “Gregg Phillips, spokesman for the organization, recently tweeted that after completing an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations, “We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens.”


                • This is not about a recount it is about padding hillary’s numbers to steal the election from Trump. If this happens it is time to start the second revolution, starting with the liberal scum that have pushed us into this situation. Just remember blood for blood. No quarter given.

            • Thanks to a good guy with a gun that was able to send him home (in a box).

              • we’ve just GOT to ban all those damn pointy KNIVES!!! they kill so MANY….and indescriminately! all we got to do is make the food manufacturers sell EVERYTHING sliced already. then we got no need for those damned pointy knives!…there, problem solved….now, all i got left to figger out is what to do with those damned CARS!???

                • BCODm I’m sure you’re just being sarcastic. Otherwise, I’ll fight to the death to keep my damn pointy knives. I’m a knife collector. I love my knives so I’m keeping my knives. LOL.

                  • DBH

                    They didn’t say nothing about swords. Hehehehe! Nothing about bayonets either. ;0)

                  • they will pry my cutco from my cold, dead hands.

                • Well let’s really take this to the ridiculous extreme that the gun control idiots do and say this. Maybe do not ban CARS all together. Rather, WHY do the people need 8 cylinders….or 6….HECK, even 4 might be too many. Just make it illegal for ANY cars that are not Yugos or Chevettes. Plastic 50hp pieces of crap that would fall apart long before they reached their targets….especially since they can only go about 25 or 42 mph at the most.

                  After all, that is the logic they use about guns…RIGHT? They say you do not need more than a 6-shot revolver. What I think of is this story. One lady and her kids. One crazed and drugged-up attacker. She unloads her 6-shot into him. Yet STILL he lives, tries to attack again and then flee…what if there would have been more than one attacker? The media sure does not make stories like THIS one high profile:

                  (What is disturbing is how this article FIRST has a link in the middle of it to prompt readers to sign a petition to ban assault rifles and SECOND, goes on later in the article to twist things around with convoluted statistics claiming the persons LEGALLY carrying firearms are the problem. This lady is not only brave and in fact, hit her target with all 6 shots, SHE IS LUCKY. He probably had so much PCP or other substances in him that he STILL posed a threat. WHAT IF HE WAS NOT ALONE?! FORGET assault rifles…give this lady AN UZI!!!

        • The only reason there is no proof of the illegal votes is because our own government has setup a system whereby records of such events are hidden and not kept track of. Just like the 2010 census was not allowed to ask people if hey were here legally but they were counted none the less. That too was a demnocrat sham , one of many.

          Do some research on how many citizens have been raped or murdered by illegal aliens since the Reagan 86 amnesty and you will be shocked , even if you realize the illegals are a problem. The answer is 10 fold all our casualties in Iraq and Afghan and PRAVDA/MSM never says a word, just like they never speak about the thousands of shooting deaths in Shitcago.

          One thing that will shout at you is that the records are all hidden and the current regime has covered it all up far more in the last 8 years.Many records are not even allowed to be kept or even reported by many law enforcement agencies. How effed up is that crap ? PRAVDA/MSM and the BHO regime are partners in many crimes.

          • In 2000, about 25 Americans were being killed daily by illegal aliens, half murdered, the other half traffic fatalities. That number is slightly higher now.

            Run that number back to the 1986 Amnesty and allow for build up to the full number, and at least 200,000 citizens have been killed by illegals. Nearly 10,000 per year now, at the current rate, which shows no signs of trending down.

            That’s the equivalent of a moderate-sized American town, gone, vanished, every year. The economic benefit of the lives of 10,000 Americans, gone. Their inventions, discoveries, education, all taken from us. One town, gone, year after year. Entire generations removed from our midst, one by one.

            One day we’re going to wake up to the reality of invasion and murder. If the government doesn’t deal with the problem, then We The People will take the reins, and God help anyone standing in the way.

            The humane thing to do would be deportation. The alternative is a bloodbath, and no sane person desires that outcome.

            • Texas Governor Vows To “Ban Sanctuary Cities”
              “I’m going to sign a law that bans sanctuary cities. Also I’ve already issued an order cutting funding to sanctuary cities.”
              ht tp://


            I agree. The government has been covering up the illegal crime rates and illegal voting. Releasing criminal illegals back into the U.S. and sanctuary cities have compounded this problem.

            Sanctuary cities explode to 340: 9,295 illegals released from jail, 6,460 still at-large
            ht tp://

            41 NEW sanctuary cities in just 4 months
            ht tp://

            from 2015…
            Local state government officials are registering non-U.S. citizens as valid voters
            “even when the non-citizens say they are NOT Americans on their voter registration forms, a former Justice Department attorney tells The Daily Caller.”
            ht tp://

            Remember this…
            Obama even ENCOURAGED illegal aliens to vote. He promised NO Repercussions.

      2. I once lived in Chicago. When I went to vote there I “Saw dead people” . The Donald could be right, look at how Al Franken got his seat in the Senate. It was a tie until somebody “found” a few Franken votes in the trunk of his car.

        The Dem’s motto should be” If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying”.

        Still concerned about the recount in Wis. If they can make it look like even one state was hacked/fixed, the Radicals will go crazy!

        Should they steal the election from Trump, CIVIL WAR!

        • Very true. I am wondering who to shoot first though. Scum politicians, scum illegals, muslim trash, leftist hippie communists, progressive perverts, alphabet soup scum? The list is endless.

          • Menzo, they’re all scum. So it won’t matter which group gets shot first. Gotta start somewhere. election fraud has been going on forever.

            • Now that’s the best idea I have heard in a long time!

          • Turns out the attacker killed today was more muslim trash, a “refugee” no less. Good job to whoever shot the garbage.

            • Menzo

              This Somali followed the Jihadist teaching of taking a car or truck to first run people over, then get out and either shoot or stab more people. Terrorism. Don’t care what else the news calls it. It’s Terrorism by the nature of the attack.

              There will be more of this in the future.

              • Exactly right anon. And as in most cases, the coward muslim scum goes for a soft target.

            • I worked the polls in Arizona 1996. We collected all the voter tabs but when they counted them there were 12000 more than what officially voted AND that 12000 was about 4000 over what was even registered in that district. 12000 plus 12000 – 8000 registered voters (approximately) ? I don’t understand the math.

              • I haven’t voted since then.

                • and i BET nobody went to jail.

        • Of course they were rigged! They were rigged in Clitary’s favor; but now they realize they screwed up and didn’t get enough illegal/dead votes. They won’t make the same mistake next time.

          • I seen a U Tube video where Chelsea is planning on running for Senate in New York? That’s all we need.

            • No kidding. It seems that in the 15 years since graduating from college, she has amassed a personal net worth of $15 million. This, of course, was while working as a journalist at $600,00 per annum for a while and then tenure at the Clinton Foundation.

              I want to work for a charity that will pay me big bucks like that.

              Then again, I’d rather sleep at night.

      3. I kind of like the idea of America becoming a banana republic. At least then we’d actually be a republic. And we could elect the minions! King Bob was a wise king for all of 8 hours. If he could handle Parliament, Buckingham Palace AND driving on the left, surely running America would be a cinch.

      4. Seriously now, what evidence is there that there are “millions of people that voted illegally?” This is a very serious charge. The campaign is over, just saying things for effect is no longer an acceptable tactic.

        • Google Greg Phillips. Guess we’ll find out when he releases his data. Look up California’s New Motor Voter Act in 2015, which gave approximately 2.8 million illegals a driver’s license (and a means to vote.) Look up Obama’s plea to illegals shortly before the election to vote and there would be no repercussions. Look up how many illegals they were turning away in Houston that were trying to vote.

          He’s not stating it merely for effect. Hopefully this will change before the net General election.

          • The CA law you mention specifically bans the DMV from sharing info with our Sec. of State if the applicant is getting licensed because of AB60 (the law that lets undocumented get licenses). The uproar over this particular law is just wrong.
            We’ll see if this guy Phillips releases any data. How long should we wait before concluding that he has no data?

        • Check back on that statement in 2020 when several million dead and ficticious voters are stricken from the rolls and photo ID and citizenship requirements are upheld in the upcoming SCOTUS.

          • If he does nothing else, I’d help re-elect him just for that. That crap needs fixed.

            • You bet. Turning the SCOTUS is the most important action Trump can do. It’s the gift that keeps on giving, so to speak.

              We’ll get one Justice in 2017, and Ginsberg will die at her desk rather than retire, so that will come later. A 6-3 Court is going to be ‘a very bigly thing. A beautiful thing.’, as Trump likes to say.

              If he gets a second term in 2020, we can look forward to a 7-2 SCOTUS. The left won’t recover from that for 50 years.

      5. Tell you what, the debate over exactly how many illegal voters can dance on the head of a pin will never end until the rolls in every state are purged of dead and fictive voters, cross-state registrants, and photo ID and citizenship proof requirements are legislated and upheld by the Supreme Court.

        The SCOTUS will be asked to rule on this again, and thankfully, a conservative justice will be sitting on the court for a 5-4 decision.

        Once all that happens, we’ll see just how many millions of votes disappear in the 2020 election. That will answer the question to any intelligent person.

        Of course, the left will still scream ‘voter suppression’ and refuse to admit their documented history of vote fraud.

        • Smokey, you know who screams the LOUDEST about ‘voter suppression’? BLACK PEOPLE, AND THAT’S A FACT. They are the worst about pulling these voting scams. Using dead people’s names, going to numerous places to vote repeatedly, etc. Illegal aliens don’t have any business voting unless they’ve already become naturalized citizens.

          • You know who’s been making the most noise about the election results are people who didn’t even vote. That was found true of the recent riots in Portland. Shitsters were paid by Soros I presume.

          • ‘Voter suppression’ is neo-com (new communist) doublespeak for ‘keep vote fraud legal’.

            I have yet to meet anyone of any race or creed who has been prevented from voting once they registered to vote.

            • I can’t figure how a person can vote for the Leader of the most powerful nation on earth without an ID, but must have an ID to buy a pack of smokes, and since blacks and people of color have the highest percentage of smokers it seems TPTB are racist when it comes to tobacco use. Trekker Out.

        • I own land in three counties. I could very easily register to vote in all three of them. All I would need is a fake drivers license with the address of the places I own. very easy to obtain. My son requested a absentee ballot. they mailed him two ballots. There was indeed fraud. How much and who benifites most is the unknown fact.

          • I used to own property in two states, I was told all I needed to do was take a utility bill in and I could register to vote. Just sign a paper that says I’m a legal resident.

      6. Somewhere down the line, “Lying” must be deemed “Unacceptable”, in any case. The Press, government and public servants on all levels, must be held accountable for their actions.

        You see there is no fear of prosecution. I would rather have their ass beat in public. Put them in stocks or the public to vent on. Even give them a choice. Get you your neck stretched or your ass beat. But the Law is the Law and we can not do these things. That is why these problems get bigger than ever and continue on their way.

      7. The bigger question is why was a woman who was under investigation not once but twice allowed to run for the highest office in this country? Why, when it was shown that she was in collusion to take Bernie Sanders out of the race was she not removed as a candidate for cheating?

        • Power corrupts, and Hillary’s drive for absolute power corrupted her and her party, without question.

          Unless the Democrats take stock of themselves and come to the realization that their line of politics is a loser, they are doomed.

          They appear to be doubling down on their idiocy, though, nominating Keith Ellison as DNC Chairman. Funny how they scream about the right and then put up a religious fundamentalist and racial bigot as their leader.

      8. Anon, damn right. Like I said to smokey earlier, blacks are the worst with voting fraud and should be required to show a valid voter registration photo ID card. Illegal aliens should be prevented from voting UNLESS they can show proof of becoming a naturalized citizen. When minority groups are given special treatment and so much leeway under federal law, this is the kind of shit that happens.

      9. if the victory is stolen from Trump then lock and load


        This is why they do and don’t want a recount…
        …As long as the Democrat wins.
        ht tp://

        Live Free or Die…maybe some shenanigans occurring with the walking dead….si?

        • Very interesting news channel on YouTube.
          TRT World

          Check it out…very …very interesting

      11. I used to be surprised, shocked, even amazed at the lengths some would go to in order to accomplish their “goals”. Lately though, I usually just shrug it off.

        Our society has degraded to such a point that even these tactics don’t really surprise me. None of “them” ever seem to be held accountable for anything anymore, unless they do something to fall out of favor with the power elite. Fraud, theft, sexual crimes, graft, violating national law, etc. – slides right off their backs!

        What is Jill Stein’s motive for doing this? Obviously SHE isn’t going to win the white house; so what’s her goal here? IIRC, in the past the libertarians, independents, etc. usually did little more than divert votes away from the republicans. I don’t recall them ever posing any appreciable threat to the democrats. Is she seeking some cushy little pat-on-the-head job for helping hillary win?

        What causes me more significant concern here is the potential for widespread “unrest” should this election flip to hillary.

        Wisconsin and Michigan electors are bound by state law to cast their electoral vote for whomever wins the popular vote in their state, but Pennsylvania is not.

        We’ve seen what the left’s reaction was… masses of brain washed people so terribly weak that they actually could not cope with the loss. Therapists? Puppies? Coloring books? If you need these items to “cope” with your candidate losing, then I propose you are not mentally mature enough to be involved in an election to begin with.

        What will the rest of the country do if they succeed in flipping this election? I can’t say for certain, but I’m sure that therapists, puppies, and coloring books will not be on the menu!

        • shocked, amazed, disgusting but not surprising

        • Yes I think if your drawing a mental disability Social Security Ponzi Check you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. If your a certified loonie tunes no vote for you.

      12. P.S. You will like the above article at Veterans News… the photos of the girls mud wrestling (below the article) is quite impressive… (naked, I believe).

      13. Power, money and America for sale is the con these progressives are trying to pull on us that are trying to save America. Progressives are like rust, they never sleep in their misguided quest to destroy America says the old swamp rat.

      14. Just read on ‘Drudge’, that ol’ green Jill, missed the cutoff date for a PA recount, which was 11/21. So, w/o trying to use Common Core math, WI & MI, were 10 each, w/PA being 20 EC votes. W/Trump at 290, EVEN if they could PROVE the #’s are wrong, which we all doubt, he would still win at 270. AND, lest we forget, the dumacrats have REALLY pissed off the electors w/death threats etc. So I should think they would do their due diligence and certify Trump. Either way, my trigger finger WILL NOT STOP ITCHING!!!!!

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        • Excellent. Thanks

      16. Recounts are common in close elections, and in this election a Republican governor also called for a recount on a narrow loss. Truth is so boring!
        Hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas to come.

        • Want to cite the number of elections that have flipped 10,000 to 70,000 votes on a recount? Be careful, the truth might bore you.

          A few hundreds, that’s grounds for a recount. Ten thousand and more, it’s La La Land for the sore losers.

          • 70k votes (if I recall correctly) in PA in not “close” (48.79 to 47.65%) Lose any one of the states, and it is useless. Purpose here is to try to taint Trump with whatever dirty tricks they have. Detroit Free Press ( ) stated State Board of Canvassers met today at 2 PM to certify election results, tho they may do a recount.

            Worse, Trump & Hilary **campaigned with the ***existing system in mind.*** The CA. vote from the People’s Socialist Workers’ Paradise of Kalifornia (where I was born) was 6965208 vs 3732472. That “2 mm votes Hilary won by” means that California gets to decide the fate of the nation (assuming millions of those votes were not illegals, which they undoubtedly were). Not what the founders wanted, and not the rules of the game. If the fascist left doesn’t like the rules, change them. But don’t lose, and then whine that you don’t like the rules. Besides, we are a republic, not a democracy.

            I realize there are varying opinions on Dick Morris, but his summary on this is that the recount will not, and cannot, amount to anything by its very nature.

        • There’s a fly in the election recount efforts in Pennsylvania. It seems there is a time limit built into election law and tonight at midnight is the recount filing deadline.

          No recount in PA means they can’t screw up the election. They need to somehow make a lot of electoral college votes flip, or disappear and now those votes won’t come out of PA.

          I heard of one scenario where the recount effort would demand hand counting. If they could drag it out long enough in the courts and counting, they could cause the recount states to fail to appoint Electoral College reps by the deadline and cause Trump to not have 271. This would send the election into the house, where the Globalists would appoint a president?

          • In the House, each of the 50 states gets ONE vote. The GOP holds over 60% of the states, so a bunch of representatives from several states are going to have to agree that their state’s vote is going to someone other than Trump.

            I don’t see this happening at all.

            Vote fraud, recounts, faithless electors, flipping the House, all these scenarios could happen but the result will be the same : massive civil unrest. We’re not going to let the election be stolen from us by anyone.

      17. 3,084 counties out of 3,141 counties voted for Trump. Truth is, even back then, NYC, Philly and Boston could have dictated to the country everything. Just more royalty, sorta. Electoral college was meant to balance big and small states, rural and city, to some extent.

        Of course, as the fascist left controls the drone-like cities with their mindless zombies, an electoral college is the last thing they want. Run the country for all us mindless rubes in flyover country from the elite in NYC and DC. Of course, these same non-Einsteins gave us Detroit, a ~$222 trillion dollar debt, men in women’s washrooms, etc. As noted earlier, these people are really not that intelligent; rather, they – just like royalty of yore – have connections, cronies and corruption to sustain them.

        Excellent summary of the latest gambit by the left re. electoral college. Short, well-done. Won’t be in the real fake news (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) any time soon…


        Fake news? Try this on for size: “Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.” – Former CBS News president Richard Salant, quoted from You Don’t Say, by Fred Gielow, Freedom Books, 1999

        • Test. OK. You’re big on quoting or providing

          So show us where these voting anomalies have been recorded. Not supposition, or rumor, or unfounded conspiracy theories. Just the simple straightforward truth. You can’t,can you? Nor can anyone else (especially Trump).

          It wasn’t too long ago people here were screaming Clinton was rigging the votes in her favor and Trump was going to call for a recount if he lost. Most people have short memories and shorter attention spans.

          • As a matter of fact, I can, in that the scams go all the way back to JFK and the Chicago “machine” delivering the vote that put JFK over the top thru voter fraud. I am not aware of a single historian that debates this as anything other than historical fact.

            I also point you to the Project Veritas videos. It is all there in black and white (in fact, some Dem operatives had to resign over it). If you have not heard of the videos, or seen them, then you have no basis really to ask the question you did.

            Later I followed the Al Franken election scam in depth. That was actually embarrassing it was so amateurish. If you think the Franken election was honest, then I’m afraid we’ll just remain disagreed, as I am not going to post a 20 page dissertation on that on this venue. You have your right to disagree and think whatever you wish, of course. But the real problem is that going through some statistical analysis satisfactorily would take a 20 pages or more. I’m just not that interested, nor is this site the place for that

            Relative to the latest vote, I am making the assumption that there has been massive illegal immigrant voting – but for “scientific verification” that isn’t going to happen right now – it’s too soon. The only question for me is, how much fraud there was. This assumption is based on historical antecedents (although even with the latest vote, I just read about one guy born in 1850 who was found having voted for Hilary. Gee, now nice.)

            Personally, I don’t see any need to verify this at present, as I have corroborated enough in the past to satisfy myself, and I don’t think our society has gotten more honest since then. This also derives from other outright leftist scams I have personally (that is, in person, with my own eyes) witnessed. And this is logically consistent with what I know of most leftists relative to their presuppositions in that it is very clear that, as God does not exist to most of the left, or perhaps as only some deistic entity, the only thing that matters, then, is temporal POWER. Read Saul Alinsky (they made us to read him at university… thought they were making little radicals…hahaha!)if you can stand reading that evil man. I actually have a audio-cassette from one past experience that would provide unequivocal evidence on one scam I am referring to – but are you going to come to Chicago to get it?

            I know you are expecting some statistical analysis. Ain’t gonna happen, as I really don’t have the time or interest, to be honest. Nor is the data currently available, so your question is not really a valid one. I have satisfied myself with what historians agree has been voter fraud in the past, and what I have personally seen myself (I grant this could not constitute evidence to you, as you weren’t there).

            Once the facts do become available, and if I do have time end of December, this has all the hallmarks of some giant 10,000 word back and forth – but again, I am not interested in going there in this venue.

            In sum, there is no question in my mind voter fraud did occur, predicated on historical antecedents and multiple occasions of personally witnessing shenanigans like this from the left. With all due respect, it really isn’t worth my time to delve into this any further, at least at present until more data are available. Point is, Trump won with the rules that were established, and that will not change. The other point is that they flagrant hypocrisy and dishonesty of the left is there for anyone to research. Peter Schweizers Do As I Say, Not As I Do is a well attested summary of all this garbage, which you can easily pick up. Or perhaps to put in your words, “you can’t, can you?”

        • Poor written! Clarification if I may:

          a.) “even back then” should have read even back when the country was formed

          b.) mindless zombies in the first instance should be taken semi-literally; the mindless rubes in flyover country is meant to be ironic

        • TEST, I know that quote by heart. GOOD OL’ MSM. [SARCASM]

      18. No doubt, there will be boxes of previously uncounted ballots found in a poll workers car trunk or location more convincing.

      19. We all know what groups are doing this illegal voting . And we see what they do to any area they take over. They turn it into we’re they come from a third world shit hole. No more third world imigration. All anchor babies are the citizenship of there illegal parents. What’s so bad about being a Mexican citizen? They should be proud to be Mexicans . And live in Mexico with the wonderful Mexican people. Right?

        • I speak passable Mexican Spanish. I have no problems with immigrants, but EVERY problem with immigrants here illegally.

          Here’s a thought: Why don’t we just implement MEXICAN IMMIGRATION law on the Mexicans here?
          MEXICAN IMMIGRATION LAWS. Don’t expect this to be reciprocated on this side of the border!
          “Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests….”
          Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
          * in the country legally;
          * have the means to sustain themselves economically;
          * not destined to be burdens on society;
          * of economic and social benefit to society;
          * of good character and have no criminal records; and
          * contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
          The law also ensures that:
          * immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
          * foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
          * foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
          * foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
          * foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
          * those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

      20. The immigrant from Turkey that did the mass shooting, killing 5, at the mall in WA a few months ago had voted in the past 3 elections. Maybe not millions but several hundred thousand I’m sure voted illegally.

      21. Not sure if this is too long for the site, but if not, here goes. By someone called Barton Hinkle; a precis for you is simply that six months of fake news stories about Hillary Clinton didn’t doom her election chances; two decades of real news stories did. I wish I could write as well as this guy!! This illustrates that, just as Talleyrand said about the French nobility, our own leftist nobility “learned nothing, and they forgot nothing.”

        It’s been two weeks and counting since the larbord side of the country lost a can’t-lose election to the worst presidential nominee in American history. Since then, in between the cry-ins and riots, liberals have paused to catch their breath and ask how it could have happened. The answers they are coming up with are not encouraging.

        One school of thought insists that the left needs to understand what Trump voters think and what they want. But so far there doesn’t seem to be much chance of that happening. Even those who ascribe to this thesis approach the subject with the mindset of an anthropologist, or perhaps an exobiologist: “Who are these alien creatures? What do they want?” (Not to be viewed as a strange and repulsive species of semi-intelligent bug, would be one guess.)

        To aid with the anthropological project, The New York Times recently was kind enough to provide befuddled liberals with a reading list to explain the trumpenproletariat.
        The list begins with “The Unwinding,” in which The New Yorker’s “George Packer took a wide-angled look at this country’s institutions and mores and was appalled by what he found. The book begins like a horror novel, which to some extent it is.” Yes, that’s just the thing to build empathy and rapport with the folks in flyover country: “America: The Hellhole.”
        The reading list also includes works by Thomas Frank, John B. Judis and other liberal stalwarts. Hmmmm. Say you want to understand the mind of the liberal academic. Whom do you ask for insight? If you answered “an Iowa beet farmer,” you have a bright future as reading-list editor of The New York Times.
        Then there’s a second school of thought, which holds that liberals don’t need to learn to understand the typical Trump voter — they already do. As The New Yorker put it, “The unexpected election of Trump is suspected to owe debts to both niche extremism and rampant misinformation.” This is the effete way to call someone a brain-dead bigot.

        “Niche extremism” means the alt-right, which conveniently held a convention in Washington last weekend and about which the media have been telling an endless series of ghost stories. The alt-right is a neo-fascist, white-identity movement whose members like to throw around Nazi-era terms like lugenpresse when they aren’t menacing Jews, Muslims, Latinos, and other minorities.

        The movement is dangerous and needs watching; as C.S. Lewis put it in The Chronicles of Narnia, when there’s a wasp in the room you want to know where it is. But attributing Trump’s election to the alt-right is like giving credit for Barack Obama’s re-election to Rhode Island: Yes, it helped — but much bigger forces were in play.

        The “misinformation” meme is just plain funny. Real journalists are suddenly fascinated by the ostensible problem of fake news — writing front-page profiles of its purveyors, “view-with-alarm” editorials and self-important condemnations and whatnot. But as explained at greater length in this column on Wednesday, fake news is not a sudden epidemic and it is not at all new. Only the direction it comes from is.
        For the liberal establishment, however, the fake-news meme is a dangerous self-deception. Behind the notion that “misinformation” elected Donald Trump lies this assumption: People wouldn’t have voted against Hillary Clinton if they knew the truth.


      22. … continued from above, part II. Hope this is helpful to you as much as it was to me…

        …This is a seductive delusion not unlike the one conservatives tell themselves when they lose elections. A candidate could stand to the right of Attila the Hun and a certain segment of the American right would insist that he lost because he just wasn’t conservative enough. Conservatism is never at fault, in this reading — only the inadequate application of it is. (Ideologues are all alike: Somewhere out there is the world’s last Communist true believer, plaintively insisting that real Communism never actually failed because it was never actually tried.)

        Six months of fake news stories about Hillary Clinton didn’t doom her election chances; two decades of real news stories did. But the fake-news meme provides Democrats with an excuse to avoid self-reflection; it clears Clinton (and them) of any responsibility for the loss.

        Unfortunately for Democrats, assuming there are no lessons to be learned only increases the odds that Democrats will nominate another flawed candidate next time.
        In a splendid review of a work by Norman Podhoretz some years ago, Leon Wielseltier wrote, “this is a dreary book. Its author has a completely axiomatic mind that is quite content to maintain itself in a permanent condition of apocalyptic excitation. His perspective is so settled, so confirmed, that it is a wonder he is not too bored to write. The veracity of everything he believes is so overwhelmingly obvious to him that he no longer troubles to argue for it. Instead there is only bewilderment that others do not see it, too. … (T)he refusal of others to assent to his beliefs is portrayed by Podhoretz not as a principled disagreement that is worthy of respect, but as a human failing. … He has a philosophy. They have a psychology.”

        That passage describes vast swaths of the American electorate, of every persuasion. (You might have noticed that Trump voters do not exactly relish having their own biases challenged, either.)

        The prescription for the ailment is the “Ideological Turing Test,” invented by Bryan Caplan, an economist at George Mason University. It’s simple enough: If you truly understand your political adversary, then you should be able to write an essay explicating his or her point of view well enough that a neutral judge cannot tell the difference.

        How many of us, do you think, could pass it?

      23. All the nonsense about the legality of requiring voters to provide identification with a photo as proof of residency was to do away with the barriers for illegal aliens to vote. That was a good indication that illegals voted. Trump mentioned that certain states were where this occurred. One of these is Virginia. Looks like we have some cleaning up to do in the Old Dominion (Virginia).

      24. Watch out folks, some damn fool is going to start a petition to ban all knives. Knives are the next inanimate object Progressives (stealth communists) are going to try to ban. For heavens sake, don’t blame the idiot using the inanimate object. Do you expect adults to think logically?

      25. Here’s a take on the whining left’s latest gambit of wanting to change the rules (electoral college) after losing:

        Nov. 15, 2016
        Chicago, IL.
        RotoReuters News “All the Leftist News that’s Fit to Flush”

        During a noon meeting today, held at the Wrigley Field executive office, team president Theo Epstein just confirmed at a noon press conference that the Chicago Cubs are being forced to give up their World Series title, despite winning the deciding game 7. Cleveland Indians fans have rioted across the country in protest of the 2016 World Series after learning that their OBS (on base percentage) was ahead of the Cubs, .321 to .316. Despite knowing the rules of the game prior to playing, where it is final score, not OBS that decides the game winner, Indians fans were outraged that they lost and demanded the outcome to be changed. One fan interviewed by RotoReuters told radio WLOSR from his mommy’s basement told the station that “If we aren’t are given the trophy, we will burn down every Starbucks and video game store in the nation. Remember, as coach Alinsky told us, power for the sake of power is all that, matters. Besides, as comrade Hilary told us”

        Fans bused in by George Soros also mobbed major downtowns across America, chanting “Not my World Series champion,” “Winning isn’t fair,” “Rape Kris Bryant,” and “Math is racist.” Even though the Cubs won 4 games and the Indians only won 3, since both teams scored 27 total runs throughout all 7 games, they are being declared co-world champions. When questioned, Commissioner Pelosi stated, “We felt as though it was the right thing to do for the nation. What kind of example would Major League Baseball be setting if we expected adults who play this game, and their fans, to maturely accept a fair contest that didn’t turn out the way they wanted? Instead of creating a bigger divide between the Cubs, the Indians and reality, MLB is confident that the Cubs will gladly share their victory with the Indians. Our mandate at the MLB executive is that equality of outcome, not opportunity, should be both our hallmark and our goal… besides, as we learned from Dear Leader Hilary, “rules” only apply to little people – so there is absolutely no need to follow the rules as originally established. Besides, 3 strikes and you’re out, 27 outs for a 9 inning game, and a ball reaching first base before a runner is really an outflow of oppressive white males who believed that addition, subtraction and other basic math utilized in the game is the residue of an earlier time where reality trumped feelings – no longer something we can countenance in the MLB.”

        In another major announcement today from MLB executives, given that the “equality of outcomes” is the new modus operandi of all MLB next year, Commissioner Pelosi announced that all teams, even the lowly Milwaukee Brewers, will finish with an 82-82 record in 2017 and everyone will be given the World Series trophy, along with a gold star, for just trying.

      26. Too many people get paid too much money for playing games that involve grown men chasing balls. Boycott all sports. Don’t allow your children to participate in even public school sports. Why allow some parasite coach to be enabled by exploiting your children.

        • Old Guy ,
          that is why the Romans invented GAMES to keep the people distracted while they screwed them over!! same way today!! the players are over paid and the public is still being screwed by the games!! what a bunch of stupes!!

      27. Someone could make me a happy man if they just put this bitch out of our misery.

      28. The Liberal Incubation Centers are now calling themselves “Sanctuary Colleges”. And are fighting against deportation. We need to demand our representatives vote Paul Ryan out as speaker of the house. Ryan said he introduced a bill that would slow the immigration flow; which was an outright lie. He needs to be taken down a notch or two. He sounds more like a democrap than a republican.waiting

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