Are We Being Forced Into a “Second American Civil War”… If So, Who Will Win?

by | Jul 31, 2015 | Aftermath, Conspiracy Fact and Theory | 323 comments

Do you LOVE America?



    A culture war has been stirred up.

    Divisions are along predictable lines: racism, police abuse, controversial social issues, and plenty of left vs. right, demographics and regional baggage to clash over as well.

    And by all accounts, differences and distinctions between people have been intensifying, not blurring and fading away.According to the Washington Post, many Americans have been relocating themselves in one of the 11 distinct areas of the country to live with like minded people.

    The best way to keep us from fighting the real enemy is to keep us fighting amongst ourselves.

    But could the culture war ever turn into a real war?

    Some people actually think so, and it seems the military has been planning for the scenario, too. The potential for economic and societal breakdown is real.

    As Infowars previously reported:

    The U.S. military agrees that the chance of a break down in the system is real:

    A new report from the U.S. Army War College [here is the report] discusses the use of American troops to quell civil unrest brought about by a worsening economic crisis.

    The report from the War College’s Strategic Studies Institute warns that the U.S. military must prepare for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States” that could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse” or “loss of functioning political and legal order.” [The report also warns of a possible “rapid dissolution of public order in all or significant parts of the US.”]

    Former Governor Rick Perry made a lot of noise about succession in Texas. A Russian scholar even predicted the break up of the United States into six parts (with the bankers secretly in control of the pieces, and the grander North American Union:

    He also cited the “vulnerable political setup”, “lack of unified national laws”, and “divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions.”

    He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts – the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

    Here’s part of the long answer that one former Marine, Jon Davis, gave to the question, “If every state of the USA declared war against each other, which would win?.”

    These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period.

    After the breakup many wondered which states would come out in control of the power void created by the dissolution of the United States. There were many with little chance against several of the larger more powerful states. The states in possession of a large population, predisposition for military bases and a population open to the idea of warfare fared the best. In the long term we would look to states with self-sufficiency and long term military capabilities.

    Here are the states that held the greatest strategic value from day one. They have the ability to be self-sufficient, economic strength, military strength, the will to fight and the population to support a powerful war machine.

    New York
    Others that have many of the qualities that gave them an advantage are also listed.


    His full answer includes sample journals from the nearly 3,000 day war he envisions (which is now being optioned by Hollywood). To make a long story short, California, Texas and New York become the power bases for the 2nd American Civil War, and each carves out an empire from the mainland of allied or subjugated states, which add to the balance of resources.

    Here is Davis’ final map and full account:

    The attempts to reunify the former nation are shaky at best.

    Things may not be as simply as carefully divided states, but there are already many layers of conflict throughout society, and some of it has already turned to violence, riots and bloodshed.

    Unfortunately, it can happen here. But will it?

    How much farther will things go? And will any notice the hidden hand behind those events?

    Who are the real controllers, and who stands to gain from a new civil war?


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      1. The bankers will win.

        • Genius

          I second that. Like spoiled children they would rather break all of their toys rather than share them.

          From a purely academic analysis I put Texas on top. Texans identify being Texans first, Americans second. Hell any real American in NY would probably defect to Texas anyway. NYC? Remove its power in the Finance Arena which under these circumstances would surely happen as the Wall Street types run to another financial hub and it immediately becomes Detroit. Texas has oil, food and its own electrical grid.

          • No doubt.

          • Texas has also already been invaded and occupied.

            • the government will NOT win we will overthrow those scumbags and hang them all for treason!!! VIVA la revolution , time to take OUR country away from the scumbags currently in office!!

              • Don’t be so quick to see blood running down the streets of our nations, apache54! People eager for revolution have usually been watching too much TV. The reason the first War for Independence didn’t last very long and things settled down so rapidly where business as usual could prevail in this country is because #1 we had a history of over two hundred years of self-governance already and #2 we were not about overthrowing the King of England, but cutting the ties that kept us enslaved to him. In France the revolution was undertaken with no sense of what they wanted to create in the aftermath, and afterward in order to keep the population under control they undertook a reign of terror that makes ISIS look like kindergarten babies. Our founders also had a profound respect for human life along with deeply held traditional Christian/Judeo values. Such is not the case now-a-days with a great many Americans even when they are willing to hang on to their guns and say they love freedom there is much more potential for savagery in this generation than there was then. So, unless you have a solid plan and system already to put into action and men and women of character and scruples dedicated to the principles that once made this nation great may I suggest you do your homework before you volunteer your wife and children for torture and death that would be a very real possibility during a real revolution?

                • The founders didn’t have “Christian/Judeo values”.
                  They were mostly deists and they certainly weren’t Zionists. They believed in putting America first.

                  • Not really. They believed in the same aristocratic values as their lords across the pond; they simply believed they should be free of every responsibility that didn’t serve their particular interests of the moment. You know, that “entitlement mentality” that is somehow okay if you’re rich.

                  • Patrick Henry: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

                    Says it all in the above comment.

                • You do bring up some very important points well worth consideration. However there will come a point where we will need to decide what is important and how much we are willing to lose.
                  When your grand children ask you why you didn’t try and stop the demise of freedom what will you tell them.

              • It is NOT a “revolution”, at least not on our side. To “revolt” is to change the government, which is what those traitors who serve within our government are doing.

                It matters to understand and call the problem exactly what it is.

                The problem is that we have corrupt people serving within our governments. We have Election Fraud in every state so that they cannot be removed.

                Abraham Lincoln: “We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts – not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution”

                WE are removing the people who “pervert the Constitution” with whatever means it takes to get our LEGITIMATE government back where it belongs, with those who serve within it doing only the duties assigned to it.

                • Cal,
                  you are correct and i am using wrong terminology, those in the office would say it is a revolution, so to keep it correct i will try not to let those scummers win, thanks for your verbage, and may we ALL prevail !!

                • Cal… Ya Nailed that one!! Welcome aboard!! ~WWTI

                • Btw/ An overthrow within Government is refered to as a Coup.. I would say our Governmemt was more like hijacked by the ZOG over many decades.. which then can be refered to as infiltrators and agitators to fulfil the actual coup by undermining laws, banking, wars and foreign policy and oh, its all on the credit card they issued to the US. Lets see a hero in our Government default on the Nat Debt. Like Greece, like Iceland, wipe the slate clean and jail the bankers. You too, and everyone all together stop paying on all your debt. Everything. They will crash… Thieven Trash.

          • I’m not sure how New York comes into being one of the three big power players like Tx and Cali.

            The only think NY produces is paper and totalitarianism. They have no connection to being ‘of the prepper mindset’ (See: hurricane Sandy) and they certainly aren’t going to have military clamboring to be under their thumb. They have gangs tho. Oooh ahh.

            The vast majority of NYers starve in the first 6 mos following dissolution of the US.

            • A worthy reflection as August 6 nears:

              Why Americans Believe That Bombing Hiroshima Was Necessary
              By Gary G. Kohls, MD
              August 1, 2015

              ..and another worthy reflection (with the historical amendments mentioned by Hoffman)
              The biggest failure in America is the establishment church
              By Chuck Baldwin

            • I moved out of NYC area a few years and it was the BEST choice of my life. However upstate NY, is like a completely different world and mindset from the majority of people in or near the New York City area.

              • Exactly! Most NY’ers I know that aren’t from the city or Westchester County wish they could give that part of the state to NJ! Many rural NY’ers aren’t too different than people in southern or western states. They are just forced to live under much different rules…

            • You, like many other people who don’t live in NY, seem to think the entire state is NYC. While the city holds the “entitled masses”, the rest of the state has a hard working mentality. Fertile fields and orchards are plenty, as is water, which is more than than many places have.

              Think again if you think this country boy is going to starve.

              • Well said Dave. As PA….The entitlement slime inhabit the inner cities, but out here in the fields. We are armed and dangerous, with plenty………

                • Right, you think people who live in NYC don’t work? I guess you don’t get out much.

              • Hey Dave, And where do you think NYC People are going to go, when all SHTF??? You better be at least a full car gas tank load away and a days walk. The millions will empty to upper atate NY to Uncle Bucks cabin on the lake. All the wildlife will diaappear in one week. As the hungry hords looking for a meal.

            • Never been to NY have you, it doesn’t just consist of NYC? There is a whole central and upstate area that is very conservative with many hunters and independent type of people. If SHTF the people in NYC are screwed because it will be very difficult for them to leave, ever see Rt 87 north to Albany on a Friday when people are going to their camps? One accident and they are jammed up for miles. The state will come down with an Iron boot but we are use to it and adapt very well. We will not stave, we will be eating the leftists.

              • >>Dave, DarkDays and FA>> you guys are absolutely correct and the map is pretty skewed.
                In fact, I have 2 points–first is that Maryland is often thought of as one of the most liberal, insanely taxed, states in the country–yet 19 of our 23 counties voted AGAINST O-bamas re-election. If you get away from Baltimore city or the Washington beltway in any direction you find a different state. Southern MD with its old tobacco barns and thick woods and hills toward the cliffs of the western shore of the Chesapeake–east and northeast are the fishing communities and “old salts” whose families have lived off the bounties of the bay for generations—the west of MD becomes horse country just 20 miles outside of B-more and then gradually disappears into the low hills and mountains of Appalachia. Let’s just say that if a single “strategic” bridge or two fell into disrepair–then large areas of MD could isolate themselves from the hordes.

                The second point is–people who write articles like this may want to google… ” “2012 Presidential elections by county” and then go to images and look at a US map colorized according to how each county voted–you realize then how such small, concentrated population areas are controlling 95% of the rest of the country.

                • Yup, about 25 tactical nukes dropped in each in different city centers would solve about 90% of this country’s problems!

            • First posting attempt 8/1 12:17am

              A worthy reflection as August 6 nears:

              Why Americans Believe That Bombing Hiroshima Was Necessary
              By Gary G. Kohls, MD
              August 1, 2015

              ..and another worthy reflection (with the historical amendments mentioned by Hoffman)
              The biggest failure in America is the establishment church
              By Chuck Baldwin

            • Well New York City definitely Long Island definitely. Upstate New York is very different then the Leftist Utopia. Look at the so-called safe act in New York State 40,000 weapons were registered yet they’re 18.5 million people in the state of New York.

              There is a fairly large preper community in upstate New York you have to remember where Sandy hit his New Jersey and New York City. A lot of farmland a lot of countryfolk up here that have guns know how to use him know how to survive. A lot of Amish

              The six counties at the lower part of the state will be sealed off from the rest of the part of the state.

              And how I can say this is I’m in upstate New York at this moment even though I am planning on leaving when I actually can get the money together to leave.

            • Don’t confuse NY state and NYC..NYC is done everybody dies. NY state is huge. Tremendous amounts of farmland. Adirondack Park. More steams and lakes than you could believe. Not to mention one of the best salt water fisheries in the world

          • Texas has a population of 27,695,284 people as of (2015). Texas is 790 miles in length and 773 miles in width (268,581 thousand square miles). There’s not enough current Military, DHS, or FEMA to lock Texas down. I would wager that out of the population of 27 million Texas citizens, 90 percent would grab their guns and fight against the tyrannical DC government. Texas has a very strong gun culture. I’m a Native Texan. I know how Texans are. I was born and raised among them. They are a proud and spirited people, and Planet Texas is the one and only thing there is as far as Texans are concern……………..

            • Texas has a huge problem none of you ‘Texas as best place to be ‘ have even mentioned. Texas has a water problem. A serious one…. That will kill you all faster than anything else….

              • And then there is the ignorance and gullibility factor. Texas scores very low in education.

              • Anon- Went to a liberal school I see. You are a troll, nothing more. TX does not have a water problem. YOUR liberal state of Kali does though. Drink dirt you punk.

                • Sorry, water doesn’t care about infantile team-ism and isn’t going to vary its course just because you throw a bale of benjamins into it.

        • I certainly you are just kidding Genius.

          • Sadly Stolz I am not. Given the mentality of the average knuckle dragger amerikan I don’t hold a lot of hope.

            • Indeed it is sad Genius.
              The society in America as a whole is the worst kind on the planet. Liberalism and the self-absorbed mentality is it’s own worst enemy. People like us are truly on our own!

              • Yes, self-absorbed and in deep denial… until too late.

                We will do our duty to God and our extended families, but we know how this will go.

                Satan, his banksters, his anti-Christ, and all his accomplices will bring about never-seen-before suffering until the second Coming.

                Keep your lamps trimmed and burning.

              • tick tock tick tock

              • First posting attempt at 7/31 9:15pm

                Yes, self-absorbed and in deep denial… until too late.

                We will do our duty to God and our extended families, but we know how this will go.

                Satan, his banksters, his anti-Christ, and all his accomplices will bring about never-seen-before suffering until the second Coming.

                Keep your lamps trimmed and burning.

            • And sadly I am afraid that you are right Genius.

        • Of course they will, they literally own the “Chessboard” and all the pieces including you and me.

          • I agree the banksters are in line for the winnings. But one thing the author left out New Mexico has a lot of nuclear arsenal and it was said during fukashima that it had so much that it gave it the power to succeed if it so desired. But I suppose Texas would be right on it to secure that power for itself, especially with a Texan GOP govenor currently.

            • Texas has the Pantex plant outside Amarillo that manufactures nukes.

          • Red,then play checkers,just like Iceland did!

            • That is what the people of Ferguson and the Oath Keepers did when they recognized that outside agitators were coming in to agitate on both sides and to attack and destroy community homes and businesses. They refused to be manipulated and stood together to protect their town.

              And the money did not like that. Orders came from DC to the state and local officials to order the Oath Keepers to leave and stay out of it. That did not work but the money has deep pockets and they are still at it. They want national division. Their problem is that US citizens are used to being different and living with each other. We rely on our Constitution and laws to give each of us our say and protect our rights. As more people wake up and see that the Congress are traitors/bought and paid for, ditto the current White House administration and ditto the courts to the highest levels, the people will feel the need to stand up for themselves. This will force the divisions that the Constitution has prevented so far. A house divided against itself will be free for the taking by the best manipulator.

              But it could all be turned around if this nation returned to prayer and obedience to Gods will. The darkness would not survive. It would be driven out. Why are we not hearing every pastor in this nation calling for special days or weeks of national prayer and return to obedience? Because many of them have been bought also. And that is the deepest problem. This nation is being told that we are no longer a Christian nation and many are believing it and just going along with the “anything that feels good is ok” mindset or the “modernized version” of Christianity. When Christ came He did not make the 10 commandments easier, he made them harder so He intended us to follow them, not reinterpret them to a “modern” version that allows what the bible says is not allowed. The Christians at heart need to pray for this nation as never before. Pray, sacrifice and fast.

              The historians say that it was 5% of the people who actually fought the Revolutionary War. We need 5% of true Christians to fight now. We need a prayer war.

              For all of august, every day, every true Christian take 5 minutes every morning and every evening to pray for this nation and every day: fast or make a sacrifice or do a good act to show God that your heart is in your prayer.

              Pass it on. We need 5%. We need the faith of a mustard seed to move this mountain. And despite what the media says THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION so we can get more than 5% and God will listen to our voices if we raise them in prayer and obedience.

              • So glad to see this. Been doing a prayer for my country for a while now. I’m glad to step up the effort.

              • WoW, Cara!

                You’ve hit the nail right on the head.


              • Prayers are for weak sheep. Rather you be more productive and pick up your rifle and head to the range for practice. Babble is just talk for the lost and lazy.


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            • Mmmmm…..,with a trampling of free speech from tyrannical moderators!

              • Hmmmm…,tried getting on,a exercise in futility,I guess though the moderation is working!Warchild getting angry!

                • go to the chat WC 🙂

                  • You have to type something to alert me your there

                    • It worked with firefox but not I.E.?

                    • I must say this incessant advertising(spam?)of chat room makes me wonder if Genius sees no chat value here,which,of course is “disparaging”(damn,I love that word!)to the posters here and Mac.Mac,I request a time out for Genius until he reconciles the errors of his ways!

                • not working for me either.

                  What’d i do?????

            • Genius:

              Why are the terms of service and privacy policy unreadable? They are in german(?) Just wondering…

        • Agreed. Bankers will be financing all sides of whatever war comes.

          • Seriously…

            Bankers have already won hands down(.without a shot being fired)

            Civil war here…?

            Not in our lifetime…


        • I agree with you on this bank winning.
          Every one needs to take a look at what is happening with the banks. Who are they loaning money to at this time?
          Look that the buy back loans for older people, called reverse mortgages. BS it is to control the people. I have your home, your money, and now I have you.
          Everyone needs to pull all of their money from the banks on the same day and watch what the banks will do to stop the flow of cash. I just might be to late to build an ark but not to late to prepare for what is coming.

        • Start with BDS the SYSTEM-MSM, Pharma, processed phoods, GMO to grow ur own foods-refuse any phoods with HFCS, BPA,chemicals, preservatives, dyes to watching jury trials & corruption of process by dirty judges, insane DA’s using cops that testily-jopin The Free Thought Project, watch utube on cops shooting Ppl, Dogs to lil Puppies-join me in Liberty by FTG
          Obama is not a Jus Soli American & judges have Betrayed We the Ppl by claiming we have no “Standing”-any injury. So explain where Fbot blew $6 trillion fiat FRN’s

      2. I don’t think it will play out like that. The civil war that the government seems to be trying to start has to do with race. It has to do with religion, the rich and the poor, liberals and conservatives, and power.
        They intentionally have divided us. I don’t see states banning together. There will be mass chaos in every big city.
        The only way to win this is to fight as a team.

        I am not sure what comes out the other side. It could actually be worse than what we have now if we are not careful. Normally all this is followed by a dictator. Let us restore freedom because without that we have nothing.
        Give me liberty or give me death.

        • I have to agree. So lets take a look at the sides in this match. On one end, you have Libtard Academy. Fags, Dindo Nuffins, Donno Nuffins, Baby mommas, Social Democrats in government, fatherless families and a whole lot of other people who cannot make a decision on their own, or actually work in a productive job. At least 90% of this group cannot find food or clean water within 24 hours of the financial shutdown, without someone giving it to them, or stealing it, feminists and paid protesters or false flag perpetrators.

          On the other side, you have people who have had to work all their lives, the military, the police, hunters, people who have outdoor skills, money and real property. They also know stuff, how to raise food, provide water , treat illness. People who have decision making skills and are basically very tired of all the crap they have been forced to put up with.

          • Ok What do you think?

            Donald Trump as Pres and Rand Paul his VP? I want to see Trump FIRE half the unproductive useless eaters, aka: Fed Govnt Employees.

            • Trump has always been anti-gun and anti-hunting, has that changed???

              • Watch Trumps address to the last NRA convention. He states he has always been 100% yes 2nd amendment. Then he introduces both his sons as long time hunters.

        • VA under Governor McAwful is filling up muy rapido with Illegals.
          You VA Gringos will have to consolidate to the south and western parts of the state. Maybe a reunion with WVa.! Now, wouldn’t that be something!
          Eastern TN, Western NC, and Northern Ga/Al would be a good redoubt.

          • I am already consolidated. Stay away from Northern VA and South Eastern VA. Too populated.

          • You are likely to see a division more like that outlined in Civil War 2–a breakdown according to race, where dominant races will exterminate those races that are heavily outnumbered. In much of the South, it’s likely that large enclaves of black people will drive out the whites, midwest Native Americans will likely drive out all other races, the southwest may be “seized” by the Mexican cartels and by default, belong to Mexico. much of the North will be broken up by enclaves that are mostly white, but sufficiently separated by geography to render any real cooperation/unity all but impossible. As things settle down, you’re likely to see wars between individual regions over resources like oil, crops/croplands. The future doesn’t look good.

        • “Let us restore freedom because without that we have nothing.”

          mike in va, your right on with this statement. The problem I see with restoring freedom is most sheeple DO NOT know what it is anymore. They think free shit is a “right” and to them that equals freedom, the freedom from work (see Sanders poll #’s). Another problem is morals. Without morals society fails. I can here the God killers already, you know the sheeple who don’t want any restraints on their evil debauchery, but here goes. Without returning to the moral standards provided by God and his word the freedom we desire so badly will look a lot like the hell we are trying to avoid. Just look around, we are well on the “highway to hell”. WTF we have planned parenthood butchering live baby’s (see the most recent video on 10%) and the fucking sheeple are up in arms about a lion who’s next of kin is, at this very moment eating his offspring. This is just a very small example of the evil we have to look forward to without God. Freedom requires responsibility and responsibility requires moral standards. You can’t have one without the other unfortunately.

          • You don’t need to be a follower of Christ or God to have morals. I know this, because I am one of many who conducts himself respectfully to others unless, I’m given a reason to be shown otherwise.

            Most people who have absolutely no morals choose to not do right and choose to do wrong only by choice. People can use the broken home, fatherless and or bad parenting on children’s behavior. But when they become an adult, they should know the difference between right and wrong. There’s no excuse for the dumb down, self-absorbed society here in America.

            • Agreed, unfortunately the majority don’t have your intellect or self imposed moral base and therefore will not conduct themselves accordingly. They will default to the basic human instincts of selfishness, gluttony, sloth and my favorite greed. Right and wrong become concepts based on ones own paradigm. By-the-way these will change depending on whether your family is starving or not no matter what the base may be. In the end a healthy fear of God is not a bad thing.

              • Yes it is a bad thing. It is a bad thing because your god is a cunt for ever creating anything to begin with. This is all his fault. Everything is shit and you know it.

                The only Good thing, is Nothing; the only sweet sound, Silence. It would be much better if no one ever existed at all.

                • including you???

                  Jesus died for you too, ya know. or maybe you don’t know.

                • ST, please clean your genes out of the pool asap. Afterwards God will forgive you, for you know not what you do.
                  Others on the other hand, are not God, and don’t pretend to be. So if you decide to take others with you in your nihilistic self destruction, I can only hope and pray there are armed citizens nearby.

              • I agree that non theists can be just as moral as theists, but the sad truth is most aren’t. I got into a “discussion” with a friend and acquaintance, whether or not it is moral for a woman to be topless in walking down the street( cause in atx there was one). It got heated, but ended up with me against a corner,I don’t think a woman should walk around topless, I <3 breast but not in public.

                Then I said "you're moral compass is so very far from correct on this one" to my friend while the acquaintance chimmed he has no compass. The kind of people who thought that it was acceptable were for the most part not religious.

                I'm not saying that this question determines if you have morals or not but it shows a symptom of the sickness that is afflicting America. She has lost her way and instead of finishing high school she's walking topless down the street to apply at jugs…

            • “There’s no excuse for the dumb down, self-absorbed society here in America.”

              This is liberalism’s cultural communism and it’s by design. Yes it’s intentional and it’s one of the primary vectors to get people to give up their freedom.

              • The more moral a society is,the freer it is
                the more unmoral the less free it is.
                it is just the choice of society.
                I wonder if man should even be here…

              • Yep, this is Antonio Gramsci’s cultural Marxism. This was his plan to bring communism to the U.S. The leaders in our society executed it to perfection. It is too late to save this country. Everyone was asleep and let freedom slip away. Everyone around you is a communist or socialist at best. A majority of people believe it is good to suck off of the government in one way or another (Social Security, welfare necessary). Those programs were designed to make us a democratic socialist state where the mob votes for more riches from the treasury. Our republic fell so long ago. The moral collapse just further expedites the loss of freedom. This country as it was founded died. Welcome to Amerika!

                • Spot on, kfilly! I just roll my eyes now when people tell me that we all have to “pitch in more strongly” to put this country back on the right track again. Memo to all who care to listen: this country is DOA as far as founding principles are concerned and the potential for “returning to greatness again”.

                  • You are incorrect. It is NOT ” too late to save this country”.

                    But what has to happen is people like you who roll over and wet your pants like a scared puppy need to either leave the nation, or start defending it.

                    The people who SERVE WITHIN our governments are NOT “THE” government – hired, elected, contracted, volunteer, etc. They are put there to carry out specific things DELEGATED to the branch that the position they occupy is located within.

                    When they do NOT carry out the assigned and put-into-writing within the US Constitution and within each state Constitution then they are domestic enemies. When they are doing the exact opposite and/or trying to give our national sovereignty away to foreign entities or nations, they are TRAITORS.

                    That is all, they are corrupt, arrestable, prosecutable scum. What is a bad thing is those that follow their orders because they were too “dumbed down” to learn what the Oath means, are made into Traitors and *Terrorists also.

                    Look at it this way, if one is going to pay the penalty for being a Traitor it should at least be a conscious choice they made instead of “just following orders” or “just doing their jobs” as many are doing today.

            • Sure there is. Self-absorption was part of Madison’s plan. Didn’t you read Federalist #10? Foxconn was an unimaginable wet dream for the Founding Oligarchs.

          • Maddog you are exactly right

          • I could not agree more. I have never understood why so many claim to be offended by the 10 commandments. Love your neighbor and don’t murder.

            Yeah that is just so offensive. You have to have that to have freedom. Thanks for saying that.

            • Uh Mike,what if your neighbour sucks!

              • Then use tough love.

              • Warchild

                You just try. Sometimes it does not work but I care about people. Even at that some neighbors deserve an ass whipping.

            • Agreed! I’ve been criticized by well-meaning friends and coworkers for not going out and living it up by their standards of sleeping around. I hear I’m not liberated and free. I see it another way. I am free of worry and guilt over hurting someone. I’m also free of worry over contracting some disease. I’m not lonely as I have closer friends who understand this belief. I’m also single because I don’t run around with just anyone but I wouldn’t want a relationship based on only that anyway. Too many shallow people in Northern Virginia. Can’t wait to sell my house and move away.

            • How about that part about putting wife-beating alcoholic imaginary friends before everything else? That’s just cracked.

          • Maddog.. I read the Bible and Genesus 2-7 says the it is not a life until it is given breaths througj the nostrils.

            So technically, you babble rwader have no idea what you study.. There is no link of Abortion as a sin or something evil.

            And I would also ask how many unborn babies and you adopted and raised? Or rather you go mind your own damn business.

            Wondering? ~WWTI

        • Concur.

          It’s going to be between ourselves, not between states.

          Seems to be what they want.

          • Since a State is just a super-set of ‘us’, it will most certainly involve states.

            • Not at all. A state is a separate entity from the superset of “us”. It has its own interests, its own desires, its own habits, and its own identity separate from us. A state is not simply the sum total of its inmates’ ideological selections, except under the democracy that scared the Founding Plantation Owners witless because they knew how useless they were without their status and the money that secured it.

              I know the far-right media doesn’t want you to hear how pissed-off the far-left is at the corporate d-bags currently running the show, but they are. Let’s work together to dethrone the bourgeoisie and the oligarchy — there’ll be plenty of spoils for us to split up equitably and never have to bother one another again.

        • I’m curious about your suggestion that ‘it could actually be worse than what we have now if we are not careful’.

          I think that, if a civil war did break out, on the other side of it there would be mountain sized piles of dead liberals. I would submit that any significant reduction in the number of liberals within North America would have to be viewed as a very positive and long term benefit.

          After all, liberals are the corrosive cancer that has been working day and night for the last 70 years to dismantle and destroy and to ‘fundamentally transform’ America into a Third World Hell hole, right?

          Oh, and let us not forget – the cuckservatives were cheering and helping them along, every step of the way.

          • Tucker

            I agree with doing away with liberalism. It is just that I have seen so much hate. From all sides. People hate blacks, then Jews, then Christians, Mexicans, Gays, Russians, Chinese, and Women. I have seen it all said on here.
            No one nation, religion, race, sex or group of people is completely evil or wrong. They are not completely correct either. There is right and wrong, good and evil in all people.
            I made the statement on here once that the only excepted person would be a white male atheist on the other side.
            My comment means that we must try to give freedom to all. We must not hate.
            We must try to return the country to the way our founders intended. Then modify a few things to try and prevent this from happening again.

          • Tucker ,
            Internal exile would be better for them , keep them as a cautionary tale as an example not to follow .
            Give them there own place , then they can watch us as we prosper from afar . It’s got to the point there is no negoiating with them they will never listen or change their dangerous ideology .

            If removal from the gene pool is selected as the option , we become no better than them and descend a VERY slippery slope .to a time when men decided to turn the world into a grave yard , into it they shoveled their morals , reason and humanity , many monuments stand to that time ( Belzen , Auschwitz , Dauchau ) and have to remain standing to remind us of this unhumanity the minuit we forget this or trivialise this we become the grave diggers ourselves .

            There are no easy answers to what is about to unfold shortly , souls will be rocked to the core , but remember we walk this patch not by sight but by faith .
            May we all do the just thing when the time comes .

            Liberty has a hard price sometimes it is payed in blood .

            Semper Fi

            • You’re no better than a Zionist, and I hope their end befalls you too.

          • tucker

            well if all we have left then are neo cons and social “conservatives”, well then I could easily see how it could get worse. social “conservatism” is liberalism by it’s very definition. They want the gov’t to “stay out of my business” as they shake their fist, but then they want the gov’t in other peoples business when they don’t agree with them, as they shake their fists…. The majority of Americans have absolutely no idea about the fundamental principles of liberty.

            And btw, most of the police and military WILL NOT be on your side.

            Always question authority………

            • get rid of all PNAC, now DHS

              COPS CAME TO MY FARM WITH A BAD WARRANT & KILLED my Dogs, later broke in & stole all the paperwork so I had no way to appeal

              cops killing n lying is too far out of hand

      3. if some states secede, the patriots may win. If not, there might be a long conflict as in Northern Ireland lasting several generations. I hope not.

        • Store up them supplies, if it gets frisky supplies will be wealth and survival.Along with armed friends and neighbors.

        • If states secede, patriots will lose everywhere but Texas and the South, and that is not a given.

          • Should it be a crime to shoot down a drone over your property?


            • KY mom did you ever get your shooting irons????????

              • STRAIGHT SHOOTER,

                Yes! 🙂


                • Did you get what I advised you to get?

        • If they haven’t already, people in some state or states will seize neuclear weapons. When threatened by the current US military, one or more will probably be popped to convince the feds of the weapons’ actual capture and convince the feds to back off.

          Case in point: I knew as USSR melted down that Ukraine should have held onto the Soviet nukes at any cost. Then neither Russia or USA would have messed with them. If you have the third largest neuclear arsenal on Earth, your country will be left alone.

      4. just trying a different email to see if my comments will not go into moderation

        • Mike,once again,tis your “disparaging comments”!Seriosly,as said before ,using a does not play well with others OS(if so,good for you),only thing I can think of.

          • WC, dont worry man, Your loved one is free now! I cried my ass of when sha sha died. Your dog is in a way better place now (hard to type for tears) Heaven for them is better than the heaven for us. I knew when she died that she was finally free from her body and pain and was as free and happy as could be. I looked at the sky and I could see her dancing around as happy as could be. My wife loves her dog. heres a good poem… Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.
            When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

            All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor. Those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

            They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent. His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

            You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

            Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together….

            Author unknown…

            • Genius,thanks I guess,but have not lost a dog recently buddy!

          • Warchild

            I finally am not going into moderation. Truth is I try to play well. I generally give people hell if they jump on other good people on here that I now would consider friends. I am not talking about debating or disagreeing. I am talking about stuff like the idiot who cussed and jumped on Eppe for example. Eppe suggested hiding some guns. If you have more than a couple of guns it is a great idea. Then the idiot wants to call him names and tell him how stupid he is. I guess I don’t play well with those types.
            The other thing is that it does not bother me if I am degraded or cussed on here. It is someone typing on a computer and not in front of me. Why in the world should I allow it to bother me in any way. I try help most on here and that is what we should all be doing.

            • Isn’t it disgusting. These prepper websites promote freedom of speech, as in uncensored, but they as often as not send comments into moderation for sanitizing or don’t print them at all. Hypocrites one and all.

            • Mike in Va, thanks, it makes me wonder why I even post sometimes. I need to not respond at all…
              War, get a 6 month dog of your desire. Train, train, train, from the start for the 1st year. You will have another buddy for years…
              I do wish all here would play fair in the sandbox…

              Bless all here.

          • Warchild

            I did not know that your dog had passed. I am sorry. I lost the best one I have ever had 6 months ago. I considered him my 3rd son. I will miss him forever.
            IF there is any way I can help just let me know.

            • Thanks guys,not sure though were I lost a dog?!I have in last year as board knows lost 8 friends and me dad,but a dog,?,somehow Genius confused me with another person I believe on the “chat room”,all I can say is utter Genius!Person who’s moniker will stay hidden unless they want to share is dealing with a dog in ill health and I expressed thoughts that hope dog gets better,some bit of a mix up.I believe the moderator in chat room may be “imbibing”?!

              • War, that is what phone numbers are for…

      5. “Are We Being Forced Into a “Second American Civil War”… If So, Who Will Win?”

        As long as when it begins, every single politicin and Liberal is killed, we the American People will win.

        • SC, There are a LOT of so called conservatives that are nothing more than statist idiots. Better make that list a little longer.

          • Make that list much longer,if only there was say some solution,perhaps we could somehow find a chat room and further discuss/investigate some options!

          • above them should be all Banksters.

        • S_C
          That kind of “thinking” is exactly what the Marxists espouse. WHO, decides who is a “liberal/Progressive” and who doesn’t? And WHY, should “liberals” be killed, what is YOUR rationale for that? thank you.

        • “As long as when it begins, every single politician and Liberal is killed, we the American People will win.”

          Coincidentally, every libtard out there is saying the same thing regarding conservatives and voila, the bankster run govt has done it’s job of getting us to focus on killing each other.

          The people are going to lose, no matter what, because it’ll be us doing the dying.

        • This will be WWIII on our home soil. I’m not sure who will win because it’s not clear yet who all we will be fighting. obama won’t be anywhere near any actual battles. He’ll find himself a nice little place in the world where he will fly off to until it’s over. Not to say Americans won’t fight to the death to keep our country and regain what it used to be before the liberals and obama the muslim sociopath took over.

          • I think the best time for another country to invade would be during a civil war. I don’t speak Russian.

      6. The survivors will be the ones that didn’t turn in their guns.

        But the true winners, like with all wars, will be the war-mongers and elite businessmen that profit off their carefully engineered wars.

      7. “Who Will Win?”

        Those who have prepared.


        • So your saying the govt. will win? lol

          • .gov is outnumbered, they won’t win.

      8. CALIFORNIA?

        You must be joking or something. It is to laugh. These morons couldn’t find their ass with both hands and a hunting dog.

        Texas would totally dominate.

        Oregon could hold their own and expand slightly, and become sort of a xenophobic new North Korea, given their insane and widely distributed resource base. But they’re too dumb. I mean way too dumb. They make the guys in Sacramento look like geniuses.

        There’s really not much you have to erm… deal with… in California if you happen to be Texas and you happen to be fighting them in this fictional scenario. I mean what… couple naval bases, couple air bases, and the port?

        You know what I’d be more worried about were I Texas in this fictional scenario… is North Dakota. Don’t those guys have like… pretty much all the nukes?

        • California is in the process of a split as we speak. The northern region is made up of Loggers, Miners, Ranchers and some Commercial Fishermen. We are a conservative and believe strongly in The Rule of Jefferson. Thus the State of Jefferson. Do not confuse us with the liberal bay area or L.A. All the laws passed in CA are created where all the population is…South of us. Hope this helps you out.

          • You left out the hemp farmers.

        • @ TheGuy,

          I’m a Californian, and I can shoot with the best of them. I can fly fixed-wing and helicopters and I can instruct newcomers. I can survive when it gets thick, and I know of many Californians that can do likewise.

          Not only can I find my ass with both hands, I can can shoot into the size smaller than an eyesocket at will from over 200 yards consistently – with an AR15 and a 4 power optic no less.

          My point is that there are more conservatives in the Golden State than most people think.

          We’re not ALL sodomites on welfare.

          • Of course not all Californians are sodomites on welfare, someone has to pay the bills. As an ex native, I mourn for what has happened to what used to be a truly beautiful land of plenty. Now it has too much…population. Gone are the foothills, farms, and groves in the south, the land now supporting subdivisions to hell and back. It is unrecognizable.

          • Replying to TheGuy

            I love your comment!!! Right on 100%

          • @California Resident

            Good to hear that. What if we all pull for a return of the Constitution as the “Law of the Land” like it once was? Maybe we could tar and feather a few Congressmen along the way?

          • I second that, some of us are just biding our time. just because we are stuck in a sh*thole, doesn’t mean we like the smell.

          • Glad to hear it! This next “civil war” will be gang to gang; neighborhood to neighborhood until it sorts out somewhat and people relocate to areas of their own kind.
            With supply chain management a forgotten fable most will starve or succumb to disease. All areas will suffer greatly, no one will be immune, unless it’s the elites who will fly off shore to their refuges.

            • Nothing changes until Washington is a smoldering pile of rubble. Before that happens, the feds will turn out the lights in America. Without the grid, the people are spending a lot of their waking hours securing food and water. We won’t be very mobile without fuel. WE ALL LOSE

              I live in a large TX city, if I don’t leave early I’ll be trapped.

          • Indeed Ca. Res.. We are in all areas of California but more so here in N. Ca. where more counties than not have a Jefferson State mentality. Northern California would more than likely be an independent area ruled and defended by conservatives.


            • I was in N. Cali for a while and it was crackhead city! Del Norte county is the easiest in the state to get welfare. Fooking burglaries up the ass constantly. A few good people and a lot of drugged out dreggs. I couldn’t get out of that shithole fast enough. Crescent City, Ureka, etc. You can keep it!

              • Logging shut down and nothing but some fishing and a supermax prison. What a depressing, crime ridden, moldy, damp, dump.

            • Howdy Big B.

              Hope all is well in N Cali. and that you have a good water resource like a spring head or deep secluded well.

              From what I hear in the valley and points south, the deep well drilling has neared it’s peak, and the bigger problem for them is that the deep layers of soil are clay.

              Those clay layers collapse when the water tables are removed and then if water is replenished at some point, it will not be able to absorb it back in.

              When she is gone she is really gone.
              Kinda like an old girlfriend I once had. I gave her a few good weekends of fun and then moved on to someone a little less irritating to the brain. She couldn’t handle the switch, so she packed up and moved far away, and I haven’t heard from her since (30 years), thank goodness.

              Anyways, back to topic. The civil war in the valley and south in Cali., may well be over water, and nothing more.

              • A very sore point with us in N. California is the water and you may very well be right. There will be a power shift to S. California’s water needs by those in power with the support of the larger percentage of people living down there and in the SF Bay area. Genius does have a point when he calls us here in N. Ca. a pretty sorry it when it comes to drugs. It is bad but the people on the whole I would take over the drug infested, government dependent people of the South. Plus you have to take into consideration the Mexican American population who will jump into the mix. It could be a three way civil war just in California. With 30 something million people you know it could get ugly.


          • Thanks Brother…I was just about to speak up when I read your post…There is a lot of us just laying in wait for what is in store.

            California proud.

          • The problem with the welfare state of California is that if you are not collecting from the welfare system then you are one of the fools paying for it.

          • would be proud to have you on my team. I have had a bad taste in my mouth with California for a long time, I tend to forget that true patriots come from every state. I am proud of you.

        • The Navy has nukes. They probably don’t keep them in North Dakota.

          Look at California – they have a population of 30+ million people – most of them have been brainwashed from birth to blindly follow government orders. Significant industrial capacity, significant mining activity, they are a net exporter of food, and have an assortment of operational military bases (more than are easily counted).

          • Let me rephrase that then. There are a minority of people in Cali that could find their ass without their Obamaphone. Mostly in the North, and I pity you guys being attached to Sacramento like you are.

            Still it’s a minority.

            Would YOU fight against Texas to preserve California?????

            I’m not saying “would you fight for your personal home”, I’m saying would you fight for the sovereignty of California’s government from Texas?


            *crickets chirping*

            Provisionally, if you kick out everyone in Sacramento and exile them, and kick out the illegals, and clean house in South Central and some of the more white crack den areas… I’d consider it.

            Since that won’t be happening, why wouldn’t all the competent people just skin out of town and let Texas inherit this steaming mess of excrement?

            For that matter… why would Texas want this place… but I digress.

            Agree though, I likely underestimate our military capacity. I just… can’t figure out any sane inhabitant’s motivation. It’s not like we’re talking about the place being invaded by China or something. Wouldn’t the Texas government be a massive improvement here?

          • …until the water runs out, anyway.

      9. After over two thousand hours of merely reading, finally, Mac I write to thank you for your site.

        It’s truly a shame that your proclivity for tolerance has also cost us “Test, BI” and the like. Jew haters are indeed “old” as our fellow prepper Test asserted. Leadership and the intelligence of “Test” parallels the military responsibility of “officers” (good ones only please) who lead the “Sgts.” and riflemen of this site. We are much poorer without them. Raw courage is admirable of course; leadership is essential!

        Today I merely say: “God Bless America”…may damnation to a pit of Hell take those subversive elites who proceed only on the basis of self…banksters take heed!


      10. There would be mass casualties,dislocation and a dead economy. If we can’t control Afganistan or ISIS how could the government control 330 million people here?

        • Jim, the goal was never to control places like Afghanistan, Iraq or any other part of the Middle East. The goal was and is to disrupt that geological area even more than what it has been — adding fuel to the fire.
          All the US Government has done is made more enemies towards us with the genocidal efforts.

        • @Jim in Va: You are exactly on target. There will be no Civil War. First, there will be a race war and the subsequent death of all Caucasians living in the Metro areas. After that it is total chaos from coast to coast and all points inbetween. People come up with all these scenarios of which state will win/lose, what will take place, and what will be the final outcome. BSBSBSBSBS, and more BS. The facts are that within 90 days after shft the country will dissolve into nothingness with no State boundaries, no counties, no jurisdiction for anyone except day to day survival under unspeakable conditions. Furthermore, what the hell does any member of any rank of the pathetics at the War College know about anything. Why would anyone trust the lowlifes that got us into this mess in the first place. The bottom line is that any person that is unwilling to open their eyes and make serious preparations for what is coming is going to wind up dead. People say, “OH, I don’t have the money to move out of the city.” Well just stay there then. Tell me, if your house was on fire would you say, “OH, I don’t have money for a motel room so I’ll just stay here and burn.” If that is your mentality, then no-one can help you. What the hell does it take to get people to start prepping a winning game instead of just buying gold, silver, and other junk items to go in a bug out bag and to stop listening to government employees both military and civilian that never did one day of hard work in their lives. They don’t have one damn clue about anything except to live off the taxpayers. What a mess.

          • But what can one do when they really DON’T have the money to move out of the city.

            With the shitty jobs available and the ever declining wages, it’s next to impossible to move out. Especially if you have a family to take care of. It’s a nice thought but not practical.


          Food for thought

          Think very hard about the message above, we risk a continental conflagragation .
          Got preps ? Steeled you will ?
          Make peace with your maker ?
          the time may be at hand .
          Losing is not an option .

          Semper Fi

          • Night Breaker, the problem is that we’re always hearing about some impending doom. How many times have we heard that the economy is about to crash? WWIII is around the corner, martial law is coming, an asteroid is about to hit.

            Quite frankly, I’m getting tired of hearing it.

            Last year most of the commenters here thought that ebola was going to be the end of the world, it turned out to be nothing and fizzled out.

            And that’s just one example of many.

      11. I have been waging a war against Homeland Security and FEMA for the last five years. RER Publishing has been under constant attack from the left for what I have written. Now…what I put into print with many of my novels long ago are starting to come true and surprisingly, the pressure is beginning to wane but the struggle is far from over. It remains to see who will come out on top. I can say this. The DOJ doesn’t like my little company.

        • NEW SHTF CHAT HERE>>> ht tp:// Please use the same name as here so we know who it is 🙂

          • Hmmmm….,what will be my moniker be,perhaps federal goldfish!

          • There was a couple of us there. This could be useful to chat in real time.

        • RE ,
          Your books are really scary to the point it’s altering ( mimicking )current Temporal reality.
          No kidding it’s as if you have looked into some of my relatives lives in the last great
          Societial upheaval . Some of my close realitives were “Trapped Behind the lines ” in occupied territory post 1939 , I have grown up listening to the stories , no wonder I prep . The one thing I have learned from my elders is this , think for yourself , know right from wrong , do not follow the crowd if it seems wrong and be prepared to leave rapidly if events spiral out of control , do not be overcome by events. Have a plan .

          One thing for certain I will not be bording any boxcars and will not be around when the Einsatzgruppen enter my AO . I know where this will lead , Dead or worse , to a place called Auschwitz.

          A relative who no longer is with us , but remains with us in spirit imparted advice that will be with me forever , More than ever these days I think of this kind man a clock repairman who only crime was his religion and went thru hell on earth for it.
          Yes it can get that bad , no one spoke up for him , he was separated from his family at point of arrival , his wife and daughter were sent else where ( can you imagine living thru this ) he did not became one of the 10 to 12 million who were systematically liquidated because he possessed by luck a skill that was needed ( he built guidance systems in the SS mittlework facility for the V2 rocket, years later he worked for NASA in the early US space program , I can just imagine the tension between him and Von Braun each day at work , with his encouragement I became an Aerospace Engineer ( GI bill combat wounded ) after my service in the Military)

          This week we are going to see the 70 th anniversary of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
          Reflect back on what our country endured and came together to overcome an existentional enemy . The sacrifice of lives to fight this dark evil that came upon the world consumed many, imagine if we could have stopped this 10 years earlier there would not have been a WW2 , If people had heeded the early warnings and spoken out and acted things could have been different and lives could have been spared .
          Sort of like today .

          Evil triumphs when good men do nothing .

          Semper Fi

        • If the DOJ doesn’t like you, then I’m in love with you. Hope ur cute. HAHA! God bless and keep on being disliked. Thanks for having the courage to stand against all odds. We find out the hard way that being a Patriot for our Country and being Patriotic to the government can be light years apart. God bless.

      12. I love how these maps always show places like Arizona and Idaho becoming part of some greater California sphere. I’ve lived in both places and let me tell you, the LAST thing the people of these states want to be is anything remotely connected with California.

        • Yeah most of those twinkle toes fuckers will be banging on your door for a drink of Perrier’ sparkling water.

        • You’ve got that right. The same applies to Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon.

        • I concur, lotta constitutionist and preppers in az.

          like comparing apple and oranges

      13. You are delusional if you think New York, or any part of it, is going to dominate Virginia.
        They can try. They will die. The urban yuppie scum will flee to NYC or Boston. It would be most of the old South allied with independence minded Texans.

        There are quite a number of tax-fed public employees hereabouts who think they have a divine right to dictate what the rest of us must do and can’t do. Most Virginians just want to be left the fork alone, and would effectively resist anyone who thought they were going to replace one tyrant with another.

        • +1. I wish people would stop glorifying their imaginary friends. If anything, the state ought to provide a basic set of functional public goods and services, enough to balance basic respect and affirmation as a fellow citizen and human with getting the job done, and get the f out of the way on all other matters. That’s a socialism I can support.

      14. This breakup scenario should not be termed a civil war but more secessionist movement to rid ourselves of a central controlling government.

      15. I got news for you. Most here in my county fought for the south cause we were slave holders. We were occupied during the war of Northern Aggression but most of those who felt their beliefs held with the South had already filtered down to ‘Ol Dominion. I’m not sayin’ if something similar to that conflict cooks off that the same lines will be drawn. Most likely not (IMO). It will be divided between the diehard patriotic Americans vs. the Socialists and the “Socies” will have their asses handed to them.

        • Lots of Northern Rebs this time, and we are all fighting for the Constitution against these lawless ProgreSSives, Marxists, and mooslems.
          People in uniforms will have to decide which side they come down on and live or die with it. Mr. Jefferson’s tree is going to be watered whether we like it or not. Time is moving along and tyranny is on the rise.
          I wish it weren’t so, but I’m not the one pushing the tyranny down. Watching and Waiting. The economy busting will set it all off in every direction.

      16. The problem with California, the Desert Southwest. and even Texas would be water. California would dry up if not for water being pumped to it. A few well place explosives and water to California is toast. You also have to figure that Mexico would get into the action with California and Texas complicating matters for them. Personally, the southeast would fair best considering that most states here work with each other fairly well, a large coast line, favorable weather compared to the New England states and especially the Desert Southwest, high gun ownership compared to several other regions of the country ,and a good water supply inland to name a few.
        I could see several states along the Canadian border merging with Canada. I could states in the rust belt descend into total chaos with gang warfare in places like Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland.
        States in the middle such as Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas, etc. could easily be cut off from the outside world
        especially if you are west of the Mississippi River. Regardless of who sided with who, millions would die and a large foreign power such as China or Russia would take what they could.

        • I’m not worried about Russia or China invading us. I believe that’s all propaganda and fear porn, but I do worry about our own govt and the zombies who swear allegiance to them.

          This country will be destroyed FROM WITHIN.

          • Yes, like a cancer

          • I don’t know six, I’ve always figured if we destabilized and fell into some sort of civil war, that china or somebody would step in and take advantage of our “crisis” to get their piece of the pie. I would imagine anything would be first done in the name of peace keeping or humanitarian aid and relief. But ulterior motives always prevail. “They” whoever they are have too much invested in this little piece of real estate to just write it off. Whoever steps in, will be doing so at the direction of the “Money” that runs this nation and the world. Who knows what will happen, but like many here and I think you as well, I certainly have a gut feeling something big is coming. Pray for you all

            • “if we destabilized and fell into some sort of civil war, that china or somebody would step in and take advantage of our “crisis””

              I’ve always wondered how much of that idea was nothing more than old war propaganda. It’s what we were hand-fed since birth. It has gotten so blatant with Russia, that it is discernible from the facts. In the past, we had no way of knowing if the propaganda was true or not, we just had to accept it and live in the dark.

              The internet has changed that. There is now, no reasonable excuse for us to live in the dark. We have the tools before us to dispel the myths and lies, and to seek (and find) the truth.

              We can even go back and sort out how much of the old crap we grew up with, was lies and propaganda.

              There is no excuse for an educated, curious truth seeker to not know the truth—either past or present.

              Now might be a good time to seek that truth.

        • EastTenn:
          Only a VERY small part of California draws water from the Colorado River flow. MOST of SoCal’s water does come from Northern California via the California Aqueduct project, so yes, some well placed explosives and that aqueduct will not flow a drop south.

        • You are spot on about Texas water. Oh yeah, we got lots of water, mostly undrinkable due to fracking. People that refuse to believe fracking destroys ground water don’t know Frack about fracking. We had ten acres in the country with a deep well on hwy 77 near Victoria. Had the best drinking water anyone could ask for. Within a year two wells were fracked within 1/4 mile of our property and a week later our well was worthless. You can’t boil it out, bleach it out, or evaporate it out. It’s there forever. Honestly, after wiping your face with a wet cloth you would need a dipstick instead of a towel. It’s that bad!

      17. The Map IS A JOKE. Do you all really think Idaho and Western Montana are going to align with the crazies in California, Oregon, and Western Washington?

        • The entire premise is a joke. Does anyone really think that conservatives in California, Oregon, and western Washington are going to consent to secession and amalgamation into some Eco-Leninist utopia?

          Here in Washington, the crazies are controlling 4 or 5 counties, and not completely, either. The rest of the westside is not going to run under their umbrella, not by a long shot. Same with western Oregon. Portland and Eugene may get to be City-States, but the rest of it is not as nearly blue as a lot of folks think.

          • Same population demographic is in California, only the main metro areas are Democrat/Marxists, the rest is conservative and MUCH more sparsely populated by normal thinking people with common sense.

            • I bet you couldn’t tell Democratic officials from Republican officials with the sound off. They’re all useless corporate aristocrats, just like the Founders.

      18. ‘Uncivil war’ is more of an appropriate wordsmithed term. There will be nothing civil or ‘cheating’ in waror in survival mode; the slyest, slickest, kniviest, most hidden survivalist will and should be you or your friend. Smartly preparing for a tornado or hurricane should be your premise for the future Earthquake about to hit this nation (Ca resident). Minimum 1 gal. A day of water per person. You can then decide how long you will survive without govt assistance.
        Nels out.

      19. The ones who think they’ll “win” are the ones who can be annihilated with no one else caring about it. When the war undeniably starts (it actually already has started), the ones who think they’ll be pulling the strings are the ones who can be strangled with those very strings.

      20. I do think were heading in that direction. Some stuff this and the previous administration has done is not tolerable. I worry about my grandchildren if it doesn’t happen in our time. You name it Muzzies/sharia, the gimmie crowd and La Razza…The list is long. Worse yet is what might turn into a French revolution style of chaos.

        • If they mean to have war, let it start here and now, they will initiate it. ProgreSSive Tyranny can’t help itself they have to subjugate and dominate mentally, physically, and spiritally.
          We have lost control of the country via representative government.The sElected only serve themselves and their donors the elitist oligarchs.I have no loyalty or desire to protect a defunct USSA. The symbols are all that remain of a hollowed out and rotten bankrupt corpse of a former Republic.
          Now we get to start again, soon, be ready, please have excess food and protection. 2015….

          • That’s part and parcel of elective aristocracy (which you so quaintly call “representation”). Indeed, if you read Federalist #10, you’ll see that “entitlement mentality” was part of this nation-state from the very beginning. If that’s not the system you want, to elevate the more expensive useless people over the less expensive ones, your allegiance to the Constitution might be misplaced.

      21. The libs guns can’t have more than 10 RDS. , some can’t have detachable mags. They are just sheeple. If there was a fight it would be a joke. Just a thought.

        • In theory, I as a California resident, by law I may not have more than 10 rounds in a detachable magazine on my AR-15.

          In practice, I don’t give a fuck what the law in California regarding magazine capacity says. I have plenty of 20 and 30 round magazines ready to go on a moments notice because the safety of myself and the safety of my family and my neighbors OUTWEIGHS the bullshit ideology that comes from the minds of the California political class.

          Period. End of discussion. Understand, Mr. Steingberg, Mr. DeLeon, and Mrs. Cunt Feinstein?

          ….because I am an American!

          • God bless you, Sir. All the best.

          • So I take it your not a lib. Wish there were more people like you maybe we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. PS According to the second amendment they are the ones violating the law.

            • When I lived in Kalifornia, I was surrounded by idiot libs. I always felt like I could attack in any direction.

          • Yes C.R. Most people do not realize that NV where you can buy any mag you want, no questions / ID asked, is only a couple of hours away and a place I go to play on a regular basis.


      22. Can YOU handle the truth.
        its 30years ago, I was warned about the War on White people, why I was not revealed, but I anouf to know the reason.
        Because we are firstborn, and thats why they steal our children, to use them in “power orgies”.
        This is an area where I have heard thing so sickening I realy think about it because it make me sick.

        And our enemy is the Jews.
        Jews is humanitys mortal enemy, and have been the main force of evil and crimes since the dawn of man.

        I knew this would come, and the tool is UssA, and the utterly braindead sheeps living in it.
        Bitten the fountain of beliving in their own expetionalism, and like the Jews (witch is A RACE) they have no morale, no sanity, only evil.

        They have slaughtered millions, upon millions, and weirdly anouf, white chirstian people and stil there are white people beliving their insane religious perseptions of their belife in their own supremacy.
        And they have runn the banking scam for milleniums.

        I know we are aproatching the great war, and this will be the hunt on us white people.

        wake up


        • Here we go again.

          The true jewish peoples are white/caucasians.
          They have mixed with some others, especially the middle eastern bloodlines that are olive or darker skin types. They are not, a separate white race. Their patriarch was Judah, and he came from the same Adamic blood father as the other eleven of Israel.

          The bankster jews (for the most part) are those that are, not “of our brother Judah, but of the Synagog of Satan. They are a mixed race, and from various bloodlines, even the satanic/kenite linage. Those are the evil ones that control media and NWO affairs. You can bank on it.

          There is a difference. Don’t paint the whole Jewish nation with the same brush, or it may bring judgment upon you and your family.
          Remember, “Judge not, lest ye be judged”.

          Don’t believe me, then read in Ezekiel 37 about what happens in the Millennium. God would not be bringing 12,000 of his chosen Jews together with the other 132,000 Israelites/Caucasians for the eternity temple arrangement, if they were of a totally different race. The 144,000 are not all jews. Ignorant people have taught this for years, and it is not biblical.

          Dang, I’m starting to sound like ole cuz, pwtw, now. BTW, he has returned and has some good stuff to report. I think he is going to post something here. I hope so. His message does my heart good.

      23. No one wins. I don’t think the so called “elite” have any control over what might happen.

        But PO’d Patriot has a very good point, “It will be divided between the diehard patriotic Americans vs. the Socialists and the “Socies” will have their asses handed to them.”

        I’m just going to try and keep it simple, I’ll stand with those that seek a return to the US Constitution as the “Law of the Land”, and an end to the lawlessness (including both Repubs and Dems) in Wash DC. God Bless.

        • God bless, and “steady on the line, let them come, just be ready”

        • I dunno man. The socies are misguided and dumb and completely anything BUT rugged and all that…

          But the one thing they do exceptionally well is “all the same thing at the same time”.

          Can you stop a stampede of 10 million hamsters?

      24. one of the biggest problems in America is that the law makers think they can pass a law and everyone will automatically abide by it, example, we can’t say what is on our minds and we’re supposed to love everyone because the government says we have to, well, that is not flying, it never worked in Iraq where the Sunni, Shiite and Kurds have been fighting for generations and that is going to happen here eventually. people have to be allowed to chose who they want to like or dislike

      25. and the confederate flag isn’t going anywhere bank on it

        • Swamp,mine went from shop wall to a street view window,it went somewhere!

      26. There won’t be a war of state against state. It will be a war of the states against DC. It was only the machinations of the federal government that got the states fighting each other in 1861 – and led to a huge increase in federal power. We won’t be that dumb next time around.

      27. It will be East vrs. West.

        The Mississippi River as the natural boundary/front lines.

        Food and it’s production will be the cause.

        The breadbasket of the U.S. the contested areas.

      28. And Hitlery will lead the leftists! When Hillary claimed that she did not email anyone classified information in her nutty Emailgate caper, it has now come out that this was yet another lie. For the full story if interested, it’s at

        Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, those miraculous cattle futures trades, Vince Foster “flying” into Ft. Marcy Park after he was dead, those miraculously appearing Rose law firm records, trashing fellow women in all the Bimbogates, leaving the White House “dead broke” (after taking some of the silverware as mementos), selling national security stuff to the Chinese, being shot at by fake snipers in Sarajevo, Benghazigate… seriously, is there anyone who actually still believes this person?


        Question: What’s the difference between Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby? One didn’t have Hillary to run interference for him, so he is (rightfully) in hot water. The other one is a national hero with the left.

        • The left wants nothing to do with that right-wing corporate aristocrat Hillary. I find it hilarious and sad that people will lick the feet of murderous corporations just because some strip-mining clan ginned up a self-serving false threat some seventy years ago and rallied around some otherwise forgettable military chaplain, all just so they don’t have to pretend that there is something called society that they can’t just dominate.

          Over here on the far left fringe, where we just want the ability to build our own benign *little* socialist communities — you know, like they had in the early 1800s before private banking showed up — without corporate Democrats or anyone who doesn’t want to be there wrecking the place.

          Besides, Americans haven’t ever seen a real left wing in their lives. It’s just a right wing in the mirror. The conditions we live under today are the direct result of not being able to take tire irons to our rich. The Second Amendment was mostly intended to preserve the positions of the idle rich. Why are they worth supporting, again?

          • Your ignorance of American history is appalling.

            Some questions for YOU to answer so that you will actually learn about America and its constitutional beginnings.

            How many of their family members had died, they died themselves, or lost everything for “posterity”, our freedom?

            “Over here on the far left fringe, where we just want the ability to build our own benign *little* socialist communities”

            Sorry, you see those communities farmed, grew their own food, hunted & fished, canned, saved seeds; developed their OWN wells, “bathrooms”, homes; built their the roads they traveled on; were responsible for their own, and their neighbors safety; put out their own and their neighbors fires, etc.

            They saved, repaired, created, entertained, and had something really rare today, a foundation in Christianity and Jesus (not all were religious, but they KNEW religion), morals (handshake and ones word mattered greatly, as did ones reputation for honesty.

            They did for themselves and their families.

            Patrick Henry: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

            Let’s compare what the “*little* socialist” changes going on today are.

            They do not work, repair, do not truly educate, do not expect to defend themselves; the representatives have little to no honor (Lying as policies), murder (First Degree Murder that is being called “assassination powers”); expect to be provided for, not have to take care of their own, etc.

            See the difference?

            Hmmm… so you are either lying, trying to misinform, or are yourself greatly misinformed. Have you bothered to study that which you profess to stand for, as it is NOT new but has been around for over a thousand years?

            If so, what did you see that you actually can live with?

            If you are calling yourself a “socialist” and are working towards selfsuffiency, plus a self sufficient community you are confused. Maybe you need to study a bit so that you really understand what type of government you want, learn actual history as it was, etc.

            Many of the founders lost everything, including their lives for us to have the freedom of choice, for this “American experiment” to be made – of the masses taking on the responsibility of governing themselves while putting people into positions to do the duties put into writing that needed to be done for “communities”, states, and later they created the federal government with state representatives within it to manage foreign affairs – of course all is in writing, so feel free to verify.

            Thomas Jefferson to Wilson Nicholas: “Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution.”

            James Madison: “Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.”

            James Madison, Federalist 14: “In the first place, it is to be remembered, that the general (federal) government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws. Its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated (listed) objects, which concern all the members of the republic, but which are not to be attained by the separate provisions of any”.

            Hillary is a Traitor to the American people. She, like Obama was placed as a candidate.

            “South Bend, Indiana JURY found that Election Fraud put BOTH Obama and Hillary Clinton on the presidential primary ballot in Indiana in the 2008 election.”

            The 2008 Democratic Nominating Committee (DNC) document did not include the normal language stating that Obama was qualified to be a candidate. The 2008 Republican Nominating Committee (RNC) document did, as is normal. This shows that the DNC knew that Obama was not qualified, or why change the form?

            BTW, the dems = the repubs, and both are not only corrupt, but treasonous in their actions AGAINST the American people, the US Constitution, and our nation.

            What is going on today is NOT about “civil war” or about “revolts” as those serving within our government are the ones who “revolted” trying to overthrow and do away with the US Constitution. They are traitors and domestic enemies as are most all who serve within the governments – state and federal – as they are REQUIRED to stop those who go against the US Constitution and did nothing but “just follow orders” and “just do their jobs”.

            Look at all the people who were ordered to shred stuff and did it – TRAITORS.

            It is time to replace those who “SERVE within our government and work against it” with those who will actually KEEP the Oath and do their duties as they are assigned – again all is in writing. That is what this is about, removing “men who pervert the Constitution”.

            Abraham Lincoln: “We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts – not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution” (Yeah, ironic that he said that, but that does not make it less true).

            So I must assume that all this talking of “revolutions” and “civil wars” was started by those wishing to destroy our legitimate government because that is the ONLY reasons they could legitimately and lawfully bring in the military, but they are required to “call out” the Militia FIRST.

            Those that serve within our governments cannot LAWFULLY bring in the military to stop their forceable removal from serving within OUR government in ANY position – elected, hired, contracted, etc since legitimate ways to remove them were “taken over” (think Election Fraud as ONE example, the calls for firing, etc that were ignored, etc).

            Removing those that SERVE WITHIN our governments – state or general (federal) is LAWFUL and constitutionally provided for.

            “The Second Amendment was mostly intended to preserve the positions of the idle rich.”

            Wow! Have you studied anything at all?

            The Second Amendment is not those that serve within our governments “giving” a “right”. It is the right to defend ones self and family, neighborhood, county, state and it is one that ALL life has. It is the right of self defense and it goes back to the time since man began. And yes, as man evolved he developed better methods of defense and the use of those better methods are the NATURAL right of all, and the REQUIREMENT of all able-bodied by the US Constitution.

            That is correct, YOU are required to not only own, and TRAIN with, arms capable of defending yourself, but also capable of defending your state, and our nation if needed. If you cannot afford them those who serve within the federal government is REQUIRED to provide them. READ the US Constitution.

            You see, YOU ARE THE MILITIA.

      29. Who are the two sides? Is the seeking of redress from your government now called a civil war? Is it terrorism? Which is stronger patriotism or racism? Is it revolutionary to expect compliance to the Constitution? Do the Feds really expect those waging so called revolution, but who really are those seeking redress, will be rallying around a Confederate flag? The Constitution was our rudder and how we wander without it. Every time I wake up from a nap something has changed because of something that never changes. No one alive has experienced a proper Constitutional government.

      30. I looked at the map and there is no way that down state Illinois and the folks in Kentucky would go with New York. Plus I believe there will be lose confederations of like minded people in every state. So that means there will either be mass migrations to what fits your mindset, or a lot of unrest in your area.
        If and when I have to leave I will be looking for God fearing, Bible teaching, Constitution loving, Family oriented, Baby caring, Gun tote’n, Straight community to live in.
        I’m open for any suggestion on were to move to, after TSHTF.
        S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

        • As far as a winner, I’m afraid that no one will win, but there will be survivors. The first civil war killed off about half of the population.
          How can anyone say that this side or that side will be a winner if you don’t know who is really your enemy.
          I will say that the people that are preparing now will have a better chance of get through TSHTF, than those that think we are all CRAZY.
          The bankers say they have money, but they have worth and not real wealth. It is all just a piece of paper saying they own a building here or there and a business or company, but if there is war in the streets and upheaval in the country how much money do they really have???
          S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

        • Appalachian Redoubt is the closest to you, but Southern Illinois and Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky will be OK, IMO. Real frisky though.
          Supply up and make more friends, cya.

          • I have family and friends and 20 acres in south central Missouri. I don’t know if I’ll be able to go 400 miles to get to it.
            But I have a group of people and family here in central Illinois, so I should be okay for a while.
            I have been prepping for a long time now, all the way back to the late 70’s
            Thanks for the come back, keep your powder dry!;-}
            S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

        • Stay where you are and take your country back.

          Maps like these are a joke, totally lacking in common sense and reality.

          We’ll devolve into the Republic of Bob and the State of Kevin and Cathy down the street, that kind of thing, not turning entire states around.

          • Smokey:
            That was pretty much my plan. I’m getting to old to cut and run. If I’m forced out, I’ll try to go to my place in Missouri. I do have friend I can count one to get me out of Illinois and into Missouri, but that last 200 miles we will be on our own.
            There will be a group of about 6 to 8 families coming to my home and my folks place with that addition to the group that is already there that will give us about 75 to 80 adults with mixed back grounds and about 35 to 40 children ages right now 2 to 14 (anyone over 14 is an adult). All the families are preppers.

            • Getting across Missouri shouldn’t be too much of a problem, once you clear the river bridges, they’re going to be dangerous chokepoints.

              Sounds like you’re setting things up nicely.

      31. the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace … to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

      32. I don’t know how the lines will be drawn, but I doubt it will by state. In our mobile society, so many people have relocated that there is not much state pride left. There seems to be more Massholes here in Florida than in Massachusetts. Texas may still be Texas and stick together, but not many of the other states. I think it is going to be more along race or economic lines, and as long as they are getting their handouts, they will stand with the government. I think it will probably start when the government starts taking more from the middle class to give to the lower classes, so that things will be more fair and equitable. When they start taking 401K and pension plans from those who worked hard and redistributing it so that everyone can live at the same level, all hell will break loose. I read somewhere once that they were talking about having all paychecks paid to the government and they will give you your fair share and use the rest to distribute equally to all. Big government wants everyone to be on the same equal federal retirement plan, health plan and death plan. They are already starting to push it in housing, jobs and healthcare.

        • Florida will be a “basket case” way too much diversity. North of I-4 in the interior, Ocala area, maybe west of Tallahassee out in the panhandle, but after looking it over I high tailed it out of the state last year.
          Appalachian mountains, GA,NC,VA,WVA….Eastern Tn, Chattanooga to Knoxville, has crime problems even in rural areas.
          No place is 1950’s “safe”,some just better than others.

          • What they say about Florida is true. “The further north you go, the further south you get”.

        • JAS

          “When they start taking 401K and pension plans from those who worked hard and redistributing it so that everyone can live at the same level, all hell will break loose.”

          The reality is those that had the discipline to save a considerable amount are law abiding and will only get violent if violence is forced upon them or hungry. A street thug, undisciplined and violent will murder over $5. Let the authorities remove themselves from their areas and they’ll damn near eat each other.

      33. First, think about what you are saying? “Civil War”?

        No, it will be Americans DEFENDING their legitimate government from treasonous scum SERVING WITHIN their governments.

        Those that serve within our governments pretend that the “laws” & “regulations” that they create are actually binding on us.

        Please do NOT forget that the “powers”/”authority” DELEGATED to them is put into writing, and they are LAWFULLY BOUND by an Oath that makes them PERSONALLY responsible for their actions. That is correct, costs come out of their PERSONAL funds.

        Those that SERVE WITHIN our governments – state and federal – are under written “contracts” more binding then normal contracts because of the Oaths.

        Those that are supposed to ENFORCE the Constitutions, laws that are in Pursuance thereof in our nation are the Militia. Yes, you, him, her, me … all of us. Unfortunately to do it lawfully we needed to have already been trained as the congress requires those who serve within the US Military are trained.

        Yep, most of you here have probably now figured out why VETS are targets of those treasonous scum who serve within our governments – they can TRAIN us in the manner required so that we can CONSTITUTIONALLY ENFORCE NOT ONLY THE US CONSTITUTION, but our Elections can be kept honest, those corrupt individuals SERVING within our governments can be charged and arrested, judges removed for not using “Good Behaviour” while in office, etc.

        So find the vets and TRAIN to be the Militia of your state. If you happen to have a governor that will back you, even nicer. But it is NOT required. Traitors were known to our framers, that they could be found anywhere, even serving within our governments and schools, etc.

        Oh, and replacing the people who are corrupt is NOT a “civl war” it is putting our nation back to the way it is REQUIRED to be, under the US Constitution with those who SERVE within it following the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution as sworn.

        • NEW CHATROOM FOR SHTF PEEPS>>>> ht tp:// Please use you same name as here so we know who you are 🙂

          • This moniker I have used for 7 years has been hijacked at this site. It is not me and I bid all at this and all sites good bye and good luck. Gramps is now bugged out and has gone black. Tuned in, turned on and dropped out. See ya.

      34. I do believe the current Administration, is doing their best to foment a race or civil war based on “economic/social justice inequality”. I also believe that short of their own Prog/Marxist-Entitlement Slaves from the Progressive Plantation, most of the US population sees through their complete charade. At least I certainly hope so. While I agree that the Democratic/Prog/Marxist/Socialist California “strongholds” can only count on their gang-banging scumbags to “fight”, the rest of California is solidly conservative and will not give up THEIR rights without a fight to the death. The 8 or so counties(the largest in population unfortunately) are the ONLY “strongholds” of the Prog/Marxist/Crap in California. Alas, with their subservient entitlement/union slaves, they consistently vote to keep their useful idiots in elected office. The Central Valley has been politically/economically/and drought-sodomized by Feinstein-Boxer-Brown for so long, those folks will not support the current state regime in Sacramento much longer if at all.
        Any attempts to actually start a “civil or race war” by this Administration should be met with complete derision by we, the people. Without our involvement, the DC bastards have no place to go to foment this political putrification.

      35. 07.31.15—-6:51pm
        All of you have made interesting comments. But, most of you and perhaps you know but did not comment, the real problem is the race war that is coming. That will bring down the country because nothing will be done and the economy will fail. The USA will be divided not because states are fighting each other, but to reestablish control.

        There may be a flare up between some states regarding water rights and such but, with all the foreign troops in the country now, the UN will bring in more foreign troops to control sectors as we have sent troops in other lands and done the same.

        Don’t scoff me, The America that has been the super power since WWII, will be no more.

        So, let us not fight amongst our selves (state vs state) and realize that, while we discuss our discontent with politicians, a more deadly evil is about to be served.

        Just my opinion

        • They are bringing so much division because after the dust settles, it will be so much easier to take over. People will trade security for freedom, because they have never had to fight for either. The welfare crowd, the liberal brainwashed crowd, pedople who have never been hungry a day of their lives, etc… They will be crawling back, begging for security, National or North American ID and will embrace it with love.

          From the dust will come 666 controlled ID, the new North American Union, people living like in the book, “1984,” etc…

      36. Read “Civil War Two – The Coming Break up of America” to see where we are headed…

        Or you can put your Faith in Jesus and live an eternal life.

      37. Map is wrong. The people of the Appalachian region of the map will not be apart of any northern government. They hate “Yankees”

      38. Jesazz sh…t what the hell did I come on here for. PO’d parrot, you ain’t lying, that’s a lickely senario. I am meeting up with my friend this weekend..california thanks for posting, you right norther Cali is good southen CALIFORNIA, Your toast.

      39. Off topic but RIP Rowdy Roddy Piper.The wrestling clown and actor in the great John Carpenter film “They Live” died.The film is about the fight ing of a new world order,has one of films best fight scenes with the line”Put on the fucking glasses!”You have not seen it stream for free on net,you have,hell,watch again,tis Warchild recommended!

        • Warchild:
          I like the guy. It is a shame that he died so young 61, we are the same age.
          Rowdy, Rest in Peace, and my the Good Lord comfort your family.
          N. Reb.

          • Reb,does seem he was a good dad and really great with his fans and appreciative of them.While he took his role in wrestling seriously he also said was just mindless fun entertainment,he could easily joke about himself,kinda folks I like!

      40. I believe that they will engineer a false flag after all the Jad Helm equipment is in place for the foreign soldiers. The foreign soldiers will go out to the tanks, etc, then wait for the call to launch the attack in our jobs, schools and neighbourhoods. I don’t not believe that it’s here to fight russia or China. Its here for the Russians and Chinese to use on the American people, and based on the movement of the equipment, any idiot can tell that this is the case.. I believe that they will let September 15 pass all the way into November, then they will go on CNN and say, see conspiracy people said that we were going to be under martial law, and nothing happend, we then get laughted at, then one day a Gray State type attack hits everyone when they least expect it. A Lexington Concord type event with a violent reaction from the people is what I see coming up..Let us brace ourselfves for the agency azz clowns to attack my type O’s to use that as excuse to rid the site of the likes of me. PO Patriot, I mean patriot not parrot, sorry about the type o. I see that you were in the money. As long as you don’t attack me, I am cool with that you. Sometimes you talk crap, but make sense.



        • You may be more right than people want to admit.

          A storm is brewing for the last quarter of 2015, and then some weird, whacky weasely shit, starts flowing in the streets.

          Cuz says, this time next year we will be saying wtf happened last year.

      41. The battle will be like the so called “civil war” which in reality was a war of independence, not a war over slavery. It is about restoring our nation’s independence against traitors in high places who are out to enslave the population fully.

        • I think, when you get down to the brass tacks of the 1860’s civil war in USA, it was more about independence from traitors in high places, than slavery, anyway.

          The Union/Fed/Liberal gov; under Lincoln, was more about teaching the South a lesson about succession, than abolishing slavery.
          The abolishment of slavery was a sidebar, but, is what is used to cover the reality. Liberals like the slavery story better, because it fits with their agenda. They won’t stop with a flag.
          They want all whites (not in their circles) that have wealth, to spread it around with all the other races. However; they don’t want their wealth to be spread around, just the opposite, they want to capitalize/profit, on the distribution of our wealth and life savings.

          • The North couldn’t let the South secede, because 70% of the Federal revenue came from tariffs levied at Southern ports. So Lincoln started a war that cost millions more than all the revenue they lost from the South seceding.

            Lincoln was a tool of the northern industrialists, railroad promoters, and New York money men. Just like Obama is a tool of the “Green Energy” promoters and the Vampire Squid.

            • You got it right.

              Lincoln misjudged the tenacity and fight of the Southerners, also the number of Negros that supported and fought with the south.

              He was like a lot of big feeling liberals, they misjudge just what we are willing to die for.

              Lincoln and his supporters thought they would kill a small group of Hillbillys, and the rest would run scared, and give up.
              They ran all right, straight for their guns and knives, ready to avenge the deaths of their brothers.

              Sadly, Lincoln had too much pride to put a stop to the bloodshed. Assassination was too good for his sorry ass, he should have been stoned to death….by six year olds.

              • So, you’re still fighting a war that ended 150 years ago,eh? That’s a good way to go, and I got a major laugh about ” all the negroes” that supported the south. Yeah, sure, EVERYBODY loved slavery, even the slaves! Tell you what, go get your gun and play make believe with all the other re-enactors, maybe you can “git” you some Yankees or a Lincoln if your lucky, then you can claim a southern victory for yourself and deny the reality of history, or at least stop the incessant whining about it. The hillbillies lost for a reason, maybe the SMART thing to do was not start a war to begin with, but you’ll never understand why.

                • The Confederacy did not want the war, and did not start the war. Lincoln did. Firing on Fort Sumpter was a tactical error by the South, but had it not happened Lincoln’s party would have found some other causus belli.

                  We are not fighting an old war. We are warning you by observing history how to prevent starting another one. Real history, not the fairy tales we were fed in school.

                  Not only did some Negros fight for the Confederacy, some of the Negroes in the South actually held slaves themselves, and probably saw the war as an attack on their sovereign right to trade with England without interference by the North.

                  Do some reading outside the internet, and you’ll be amazed at what you will learn. “The Tragic Era” by Claude Bowers is an eyeopener. Unfortunately long out of print, having been published in 1929, before the “civil rights” propaganda mills had been cranked up. “A World on Fire” Amanda Foreman. Britain’s view, which was rather leaning toward the South, despite having been the first European country to outlaw slavery. “Bushwhackers” by William Trotter. The Civil War from the viewpoint of North Carolina back-countrymen.

                  • I see that several copies of Bowers’ book are for sale on Amazon. Be a good investment.

                  • Old Coach,

                    Out of respect for all your previous posts I will have to respectfully disagree in general with your statements. It may be true that some negroes may have held slaves but it had to be a tiny percentage at best. I know the south recruited negroes to fight for them, but it was late in the war when defeat was already obvious, and on the condition they would be freed after the war was over. The south WANTED to secede from the union, plain and simple, because they thought Lincoln would take they’re slaves away from them. The south reminds me of the Japanese and Germans in WW2, both should have surrendered a hell of a lot earlier than they did. At least the Germans tried to kill Hitler in 1944, but failed. The Japanese should have quit after the major naval losses in the Phillipines in 1944, but that was not to be either. When you continue to drag a war on that you can’t win, you simply piss off your enemy that much more and he’s bound to really make you pay for it when the end does come, the south could have spared themselves a lot of grief had they surrendered a year earlier than they did.

                    • It’s really not that simple. “Bushwhackers” will make that clearer.

                      And as I already wrote, the secession movement was a matter of taxation, not slavery. The anti-slavery movement in the North was a lunatic fringe, kinda like the pro-homosexuality movement is today. It made a lot of noise, but wasn’t much of a political force. It’s a fact there were a whole lot of citizens in the northern states who also opposed Lincoln, mostly on economic issues. They became known as “copperheads”, and were sufficiently powerful that Lincoln forcibly shut down their newspapers and jailed their leaders, which included a Congressman named Vallandingham. He then suspended habeas corpus to prevent the law from freeing these political prisoners. Lincoln actually did considerably more evil to the Constitution than Obama has. I should maybe add “The Real Lincoln” by Tom Delorenzo to the reading list.

      42. Sorry to have to point this out on an article I agree with but it bugs me; there is a huge difference between ‘succession’ and ‘secession’. One of them is not even a word.

        • You are wrong, and partially right.

          suc-ces-sion, 1.a number of people or things sharing a specified characteristic and following one after the other.

          se-ces-sion, 1. the action of withdrawing formally from membership of a federation or body, especially a political state.

          Both words are applicable in the case of the North/South disagreement.

          Sorry to have to point this out…..

      43. That was a very good read and would like to see a whole book. The part about everybody “going home” was kinda far fetched because we are a mobile society. I know I would not go back to my home states regardless of the family.

      44. At the end of the day and all has been said and done, those who listen to and trust the United States Government will regret it beyond any kind of measure. The best example that I could possible give of those who have: The Native American. “Never end the fight” Lt. Murphy

        Copperhead at the ready awaiting orders.

      45. From the north but have lived in the south for 30 years and believe Ms,Al Ga,Fl Ar ,La would all unite along with Texas. That was a pretty good read and would like to see a book made.

      46. Now I forget who’s comment it was about the gov taking all paychecks and redistributing so we are all the same whether we are skilled or dindu nuffin. This is a fair assessment of the future of America. The gov will end up holding the bag for every one of us sooner or later. Welfare ssi ssdi. Everyone will end up on one of these sooner or later. People keep looking to gov for the solution and demand one too. The only way is to rob peter to pay Paul. It’s getting old already people are sick of it. The next step is them being pissed and wanting to take it out on someone’s ass. That’s when uncivil war will happen and it will be race against race and religion against religion. This is how it seems to play out every time. Ethnic cleansing. I don’t care I can have high cap mags I don’t feel bad for the suckers next door in mass and conn with the rediculous gun laws. My neighborhood will survive I just know it will. Thank god this is where I live.

      47. I’ve seen a bunch of these “re-alinement” maps and this one is a real doozy …. the NE will be dominated by a NYC/Boston/Philly grouping – no freaking way will anyone west of Pittsburg deal with that bunch ….

        All the existing borders would dissolve and re-sort …. they were originally set by political basis and not in any practical or geographical manner ….

        • I’ll see your Pittsburgh and raise you a Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Harrisburg on the other hand would suck right up to the east coast liberals.

          • lol… Being from the area, I must say you pretty much nailed it, Old Coach.

            I tell those coming to the area to live, up 81 or 83, should make a left at Harrisburg and drive into the hills.

      48. I am a student of the misnamed “Civil War”. I sincerely hope this never happens again. But I can see major pieces for a second war being put into place, sorry to say. One unfortunate scenario is if the NWO crowd sees themselves losing they will nuke their opposition, especially the Old South states. They have always hated us. An interesting book to read on this subject is “The Turner Diaries”; a long suppressed and hard to find book.

      49. From about Sacramento and southwest of it are mostly liberal. Still a lot of farming up to about Redding. East and north of Sac are still mostly rural. I use, to rodeo down around Salinas , Coalinga and San Luis Obispo. Twenty-five years ago at least. Cattle for miles and miles. Harris Ranch, a lot of cowboys down that way, I doubt their very liberal. Redding and north, Well we have the water, the trees and a lot of gold. If a civil war comes, it’s just like everywhere else. If your in a big city your fooked. I doubt Texas will want anyone from anywhere, I wouldn’t if I were in Texas.
        Oregon is the same, Portland and Ashland are liberal as hell. drive 20 miles, it ain’t like that.

      50. It could happen but it won’t.

      51. You’re already at war. You’ve been at war since Bretton Woods. You just don’t realize it.

        The end result of war is the right of the victor to implement a currency and trade system that ensures that the victor remains in power. You probably know this better as the debt cycle.

        Sound familiar.

      52. my computer illiteracy is showing.

        I could only get “Your search – – did not match any documents”

        • I’m being moderated 🙁

          “Your comment is awaiting moderation and should appear within 0 to 2 hours”

          I’ll be in bed by then and won’t know how to get to the chat thingy.

          Oh well.

          • still in moderation here @ SHTF at 8am Saturday morning 🙁

            what’d i do?

            what’d i do ? ? ? ? ?

      53. There would be no need for a break up if we went back to ‘states rights’. Most of the problems today are from the Feds grabbing too much power and from courts overruling laws passed by elected state legislatures.

        • Most laws passed by states’ legislatures are unconstitutional. Power, as in the 10th Amendment also applies to the people. Time to start exercising power.

          States don’t have rights.

      54. What utter bullshit

      55. okay,, all i have to say is,

        okay, all i have to say is, “who will win” who knows??? what matters is what side are you on.

      56. Patrick Buchanan wrote a book called Suicide of a Superpower.Not everything Pat says is true, but he does have a pretty good insight into some things. Aside from that any civil war in America, whether regional, ethnic, political, or all of the above would be rather a godsend to the Communist Chinese, the Russians, and the narco cartels of the southern neighbor Mexico.If I were a globalist oligarch, I would foment trouble to the degree that the average peon wouldnt even care about the views of the opposing sides, so long as they had fresh water, food, security and a sense of normalcy. When Provisional Reconstruction Centers show up in the USA, youll know the radicals will have been largely culled.To this end, the deep social and political and ethnic divisions serve a greater and more devious purpose…the justification of absoloute surrender from war fatigue. Also, any insurgency in the US will likely be dealt with in manners previously witnessed in those evil places like Iraq and Afghanistan, but with greater efficiency, simply because the psychology of the American has already been successfully manipulated by media in the greater part of the populace (i.e.the “sheeple”). Without the ability to effectively sway that centrist population, any insurgency will be a fart in a football stadium.

      57. This ain’t gonna be to popular a view…

        The basic structure of American government works.When all the “special interest” groups muck up the works with their self serving laws it jams up the whole system. Problems arise when so many of these non-sequitor laws and social norms are applied to the population and businesses. Like having four right handed lug nuts then one that’s left handed. Just fubar’s the whole system. The problem is that we have foregone the practice of enacting laws to better the country to the current ramming through laws and social norms to profit the chimps who won the last election. That being said… chimps, being communists, democratic socialists,progressives, NAACP, La Razza and on and on, are the creatures pushing these divergent laws that are wrecking a once sound method of government. These people are making a living off of the “fruit of the land” provided to them by the labors of others. If in fact this place were to come unhinged, they will not have a caretaker.
        The map will not exist. Once our chimps realize they are out of resources, they will migrate to where the producers are. This will be the makings of our civil war!

        • good points.

      58. Approaching 12hrs in moderation I’m getting so tired of this long winded moderation BULL SHIT to put it mildly that I want to say why even bother trying to comment.

        Copperhead out

      59. Who will win? About 1% of the population. Who will lose? About 99 % of the population. And you fools are playing right into the hands of the 1% and actually think you will come out on top. Almost everyone will experience significant losses, prepper or not and your children, grandchildren and probably great grandchildren and likely even more generations will suffer significantly. What a legacy you ill be leaving them. Morons that you are.

      60. Veterans and the White Celtic people will win !

      61. The game is to get rid of the people, the varied slow kill methods aren’t working fast enough. We (they) need major calamity on a grand scale to wipe out and kill these uppity commoners, preferably these conspiracy truthers, prepper type survivalists, constitutionalists and those that won’t keep their mouths shut and realize hey we are all in this together. I’m proud to be an American, at least I know I’m free. Yeah BS!

        • Slow kill methods won’t work on hearty people. We know how to live off of the land. At this point, it’s simply a war of attrition. As the economy lags and resources become scarce, the chimps will start looking around to find who their next caretaker will be. Cold hard fact about this is that there won’t we anyone willing to take up this role. There will be plenty who are more than willing to put them out of their misery however.
          So many have been lulled into conforming with the progressive/Marxist diatribe. Some because they have nothing to lose and are more than willing to support a cause that goes against status quo, otherwise known as “White America”. Others support the movement out of pure ignorance. Our youth being the prime example here. Notice that the support base of the Democrats are the welfare class, self-disenfranchised minorities and other non-mainstream groups.Not exactly the cream of the crop. Progressives, Communists, Marxists all talk a good story but have 0 chance of success.

      62. Grand,you probably did nothing,keep in mind I believe site on west coast hence time difference,tis 5 a.m. out there.

        Or,perhaps you were caught making”disparaging”comments to other posters and earned a time out in the corner!

        • I did speak my mind rather boldly once a couple yrs back, but i try to be kinder and more patient now.

          Really i do.

      63. There will be a violent event causing the government to activate the military ” for our own good “, thereby allowing Obama to declare ” a state of emergency ” and instituting martial law ” to restore peace and order.” Texas is isolated and against Mexico , so there would be a 2 front war. Florida is surrounded on 3 sides by water and also isolated , so in short order would be out of contention as a power. New York would have logistic issues due to weather extremes and the mountain ranges, also given the fact that American Indians are really pissed off would have internal issues. Southern states would band together, hence a ” new South “. The west coast and Pacific Northwest would become an alliance due to weather issues current and future, also because of ethnic diversity. Pa, Ohio, New York ,WV, Michigan, IL, and IN, would more than likely form an alliance due to shared belief systems and resources. The bankers at this time are already on the run or at their prepared bunkers trying to control what resources are left, in short , violent , bloody and a nation ripped asunder allowing for external attacks by those who wish to see the U.S. fall. If your not prepared God help you.

      64. 3 Year old article. Ill just wait for the movie, since it looks like Jon is trying to sell the script in Hollywood. Itll probably be on the same scale as the Red Dawn reboot.
        Oh I thought Texas would secede from the union as Rick Perry stated, not succession???? Texas would no doubt succeed in secession.

      65. They can split off Rahm “Dead Fish” Emanuel’s fascist, morally and financially bankrupt People’s Socialist Thugocracy of Chicago from the rest of Illinois for starters.

        My suggestion is that Chicago join North Korea. That is, if Chicago isn’t too corrupt and leftist for the North Koreans

        • Chicago can be starved into submission. Completely surrounded by rural folks who would happily break out the marshmallows if there were another Great Chicago Fire.

      66. Ever see the movie “Civil War 2”? Starred one of the Bridges boys, can’t remember which one. A comedy. Had some funny parts in it. Idaho against the Feds, then other states sent help to Idaho.

      67. If this ever gets out of moderation I’m gone like so many other sorry Mac you have a good site but it looks like only certain posters get put right on with their comments your moderation needs some serious over-hauling period. To all on here good luck and remember Lt. Murphy “Never end the fight”! So long.

        Copperhead over and out!!!!!

        • Copper,you use a throw away e-mail/made up one that is the same You running perhaps Linux(good for you!),sometimes does not “play well”with certain servors though works fine for me here,hope you hang around but if being moderated to death understand why you will leave.

          • Ditto. I finally started using a phoney email addy, and never go to moderation unless I’ve posted a URL. Fair enough.

        • Weekend moderation sometimes takes longer if e-mail is not a regular one (yes, use a fake one, but the same one every time). Links always moderate… the REAL ones…not the “eliminate space” garbage. Stop posting links if you don’t expect moderation.

          The administrators need time off, too, ya know…

      68. Get the book “Around the Cragged Hill” by George F. Kennan. George F. Kennan was a classic insider. He was at the State Department for 50 years. He wrote about the dividing up of the states into regions. This may actually be on the drawing board by Federal policy makers. Most top government policy makers, especially at State, are members of the CFR. The CFR is not a conspiracy theory. It is merely a long established policy making group with far left tendencies. Anti-nation, and open borders. It is counter productive to call a political agenda a conspiracy. Both Republicans and Democrats are members. They all suck.

        • @The Prophet: Another good book is Shadows of Power, about the CFR and it’s influence.

      69. I live on the Navajo Reservation. California gets a very large part of it’s electricity from Az, N.M. and Texas. A great deal comes over the Reservation. Hundreds of miles of towers and cables pass over people who STILL live without electricity. If you have not driven the backroads of the reservations, you have no ides how prepared these people are to live without. They never had in the first place. And they are angry.

        • Kyrathyel,

          You will be among the few that can survive. Look at the towers and wires and smile. They will be nothing but a place for birds to roost.

          • Movin,might make a good shooters perch!

      70. I live in Texas. Texas has already turned itself over to Mexico and South America…it’s done.

      71. I don’t agree with the map.

      72. Conservatives are too afraid to do anything.

        • Fools rush in where brave men fear to tread.

      73. Nba-Conservatives were the ones that fired the shot around the world the first time. So I would say they aren’t afraid just smart. We are doing it peacefully thru the next election but would not hesitate to defend our great nation if attacked.

        • WOW…that was the longest three-pointer evah…

      74. My question for the author is how does he expect states to unify within their borders or join with other states when the states themselves are so divided politically? Take NY State for example. NYC, Albany, and Buffalo are liberal; the rest of the state is conservative. By the numbers, approximately 9 million are liberal and 10 million conservative. The liberals are located on about 1/8 of the state’s land area leaving 7/8 of the land controlled by conservatives. Upstate NY is quite capable of surviving in a SHTF scenario with its abundant water supply, timber, and farms. These folks hunt and fish and raise much of their own food and, due to having to prepare for long winters, have more experience putting up supplies of food and firewood, etc. to last the winter or longer. They are not new to this. It’s generational. Many if not most heat with wood, have their own water source, have a lot of experience dealing with loss of power or services, and most importantly, have a strong sense of community. They are a far cry from their city cousins. These folks thumbed their noses at Cuomo’s Safe Act and are supported in this refusal to comply by local Sheriffs and the State Police. By the way, NY is not unique in this. Pennsylvania and many other northeastern states are similarly divided between urban and rural, as is California. I don’t see these two mindsets coming together except perhaps temporarily to defend against attack but once that threat has passed, they would quickly fight among themselves. I do see a greater chance of alignment with those of a similar mindset regardless of location. The problem there is the near impossibility of mass migration/relocation. Frankly, what I see is fracturing of the states into smaller groups and not them joining with other states. In a civil war, supply lines will be disrupted, giving rural folks a distinct survival advantage. The author’s suggestion of moving to be with like-minded folks is good providing the newcomers are welcomed. If the goal of TPTB is population reduction, this will surely accomplish that goal. Unless more people understand how we are being manipulated and why, we are in for a prolonged bloodbath.

        • Yep…Between Philly and Picksburgh we raise our own beans, cut our own wood, butcher pigs, fish, hunt, brew our own drink and hate .gov enforcers and revenuers alike.

          We don’t even like the dog catcher…lol.

          We’ll be fine when the cities burn…badges not so much.

      75. Nothing is as it seems. Nothing. Any web site in the alternative media that has a large following is psyop. The enemies of humanity control it. And they flood alternative media.
        The Jew plays a major role in our enslavement but have you noticed from the beginning of the discovery of the America’s the black robed priests always tagged along. And They were right there running schools for the Indian children during that genocide.
        The enemy has totally inundated or environment. It doesn’t matter which faction is the top dog. They are all false opposition with a little infighting thrown in. And that includes Putin and his seeming the savior of humanity bs. He is surrounded by jews and is a product of communism.
        In the end all these psychopaths will turn on each other but in the process they come together to destroy humanity.
        A good rule of thumb is if it has a big following or power it is the enemy of humanity. And that includes web sites as well as governments.
        Deception is the name of the game.

        • If you are part of an organization you are part of the problem. The only exception is that organization needed to destroy the enemy. Organization is always stronger than the individual. And that organization will always be infiltrated and the enemy Will move into the leadership positions. We must organize in small secretive cells that can’t be connected to each other. Good luck.

      76. Civil war is ideal for the enemies of humanity. The dumb asses in this country are set up to fight each other and leave the real enemy alone. Nothing will succeed in the long run unless those calling the shots are taken out. That is where the effort must be directed. Don’t fall for fighting against your brother. That is psyop deception. And your brothers include all of humanity other than the antihuman psychopaths at the top.

        • It is NOT a “civil war” to be removing those who serve within our government and do not do as delegated within the branch that they serve within.

          It is DEFENDING the US Constitution, our legitimate government and removing those traitors and domestic enemies from the positions that they are occupying unlawfully. They are REQUIRED to take and KEEP an Oath to support and defend the US Constitution, instead they are doing their best to destroy it and our nation – that IS TREASON. Since they have been using law enforcement to enforce “color of law”, pretend laws/regulations, etc created by and with the misuse of power that is only made possible because wrongdoer is “clothed” with authority of state (government).

          It is time to understand that a lot of those people who are “serving” us within OUR governments are not just domestic enemies of the USA, but they NO longer have ANY LAWFUL authority. Not one of those elected, assigned a position, not one of those who serve within the multitude of bureaucracies, not the LE’s, not the US Military (If there is one anymore) because those that did not actively work against the USA, the American people, and the US Constitution did nothing when their very position and Oath requires them to stop the domestic enemies and traitors.

          Dr. Vieira said it best here: “This has nothing to do with personalities or subjective ideas. It’s a matter of what the Constitution provides…

          The government of the United States has never violated anyone’s constitutional rights…
          The government of the United States will never violate anyone constitutional rights, because it cannot violate anyone’s constitutional rights.

          The reason for that is: The government of the United States is that set of actions by public officials that are consistent with the Constitution. Outside of its constitutional powers, the government of the United States has no legitimacy. It has no authority; and, it really even has no existence. It is what lawyers call A LEGAL FICTION. (caps are mine)

          … the famous case Norton v. Shelby County… The Court said: “An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties. It is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.”

          And that applies to any (and all) governmental action outside of the Constitution…”
          What are the defining characteristics of a limited government? They are its disabilities; what it does not have legal authority to do.

          Look at the First Amendment… What does it do? It guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of religion.

          But how does it do that? I quote: “Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech or of the press” etcetera. “Congress shall make no law;” that’s a statement of an absence of power. That’s a statement of a disability.” (end quote)

          Basically those that serve within our governments have NOT been doing their duty, not been following their contract (not the subcontracts that are within each type of. What this means is that we have people who are near some very destructive things that are really NOT SERVING WITHIN OUR GOVERNMENT. They are doing things in other countries and here at home in our name for which they have NO LEGITIMATE authority.

          THEY have to be replaced with those that will abide by the US Constitution. So you will be lawfully defending our nation, our LEGITIMATE government by replacing those DOMESTIC ENEMIES AND TRAITORS TO the American people, the US Constitution, the USA with people who are willing, even eager, to have a lawful government back into place so that we can go on with the “American experiment” and show the world that the people CAN, and are willing to, govern themselves and take responsibility for those who are put into positions to SERVE WITHIN our governments.

          President Andrew Johnson: “Outside of the Constitution we have no legal authority more than private citizens, and within it we have only so much as that instrument gives us. This broad principle limits all our functions and applies to all subjects.”

          John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States 475: “To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.”

          Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers 28: “The militia is a voluntary force not associated or under the control of the States except when called out; [when called into actual service] a permanent or long standing force would be entirely different in make-up and call.”

          Daniel Webster: “We may be tossed upon an ocean where we can see no land – nor, perhaps, the sun or stars. But there is a chart and a compass for us to study, to consult, and to obey. That chart is the Constitution.”

      77. Virginia would follow the south because we do not like the liberals in the north and out west and we have more in common with them.

      78. Oicu812, welcome to the board. Everything you have said so far is dead on. Lincoln was also best friends with a German Natzi name Carl Marx, and met with him frequently when Marx entered the country. Marx helped Lincoln organize the war to launch the attack on the south. Lincoln was a piece of sh….t a communist traitorous piece of crap. Had he not been removed I can’t even imagine what would have happened to the country. We would have been like China,North Korea or worst. I also read documented history about Lincoln personally ordering the massacre of over 30,000 patriots that were hung upside down naked and left to die in the heat.. Lincoln was a really bad evil man..very bad, bad person. The question is who allows this tyrant into power. The city war was the most bloody war ever fought. H this next civil war will be a really serious one. Its not a wonder that the pope is organizing His buddies, russia China to come in to invade as kill the resistance.

        Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.

        Thomas Jefferson.

        • LOL! Lincoln never met Marx. Never read Marx. Would have scorned Marx since Lincoln was a tool of the industrialists whom Marx hated.

          Please, we’ve got enough history to ponder without you inventing more.

      79. All we need to do is take out the top 2000 heroes of the Totalitarian Left in one fell swoop. Politicians, judges, media and entertainment figures. Take them out and we can return the country back to a Constitutional Republic.

      80. It is our DUTY to as an American to defend and protect the Constitution and America with our lives if necessary which I would do without hesitation. I fear not death only dishonor. Terrorists beware I will kill you with extreme prejudice. I will protect and defend my fellow American. I received my first shooting trophy at age 10 I do not ever miss. I have taken sniping classes,secret service tests and swat certifications. My father was a drill instructor who taught hand to hand combat and a gold glove boxer. My Sensei was special forces in Vietnam. If you come here it will be the last place you will see. I will mess up your day so bad the 77 virgins won’t even know what you are !!!

      81. No one wins in a civil war. There is nothing civil in a civil war. Son against father,brother against brother,etc. Pray we don’t go there

        • “There is nothing civil in a civil war”

          Get out of THEIR paradigm.

          It is NOT a war – wake-up! That is what they want you, and you, and you over there to think.

          What this is about is removing corrupt, domestic enemies and Traitors from positions serving within our government. It is RESTORING our legitimate government and the US Constitution is not only behind us in this, it REQUIRES this of us. We require it of us before they destroy our nation giving it to some scum One World entity/government.

          We are NOT fighting state against state to change our government, the TRAITORS serving within our government are doing that unlawfully and illegally. if they had not taken the elections over with Fraud we could just remove them. The made it so that we can do nothing else but REMOVE them.

          They were fired long ago when they stepped away from their Oath and duties that ARE in writing.

          We are replacing dishonest, totally corrupt & partially corrupt scum in suits that believe they have the power to do anything they want. But that is ALL that this is about.

          Look at it this way. You own a store. You hire people to manage the store. They do, and they take over the store doing what they or others who pay them want. They basically replace the LE’s with scum who know nothing other then that they manage the store so must be right. Those LE’s defend the traitors and domestic enemies with weapons even though it is NOT their store.

          One MUST remove those people with non corrupted LE’s and replace them before there is nothing left of the store.

          Simple, but that is exactly what all this is about, NOT a “revolution” as it is the employees that revolted against the contract and owners.

          Nor is it a “civil” war, because we are NOT breaking away to create a bunch of nations within this continent, we are DEFENDING and RESTORING our legitimate government by replacing the scum that are NOT doing what they were hired, elected, contracted, etc for.

          Abraham Lincoln: “We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts – not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution”

          But when you let those selfsame scum further divide us (“the owners”) by giving you different scenarios so that no one knows what is really going on you get a more divided people.

          All we are doing is RESTORING to its rightful condition for which it was created.

          We are removing the traitors and domestic enemies and we have the US Constitution on our side as it IS legitimate and it does REQUIRE ALL who take the Oaths to “support and defend” IT first before anything else. We are here because we did not do it sooner.

          Like many corrupt people they will try to send out others to die for them and their corrupt ways to stay in “power”. But they lost that power long ago, and only those who are ignorant of what they are allowed to do, and what they are forbidden to do realize this.

          It became time to do whatever is necessary to remove them, but that is ALL THAT THIS IS. If those that serve within our government within the last 30 years or so had any decency, honor, and honesty within them they would step down now. I am not talking about just those elected, but those hired, contracted, etc. They are the ones who stay in position and do the MOST damage, even though lawfully they can ONLY assist, not create on their own.

          James Madison, Federalist 14: “In the first place, it is to be remembered, that the general (federal) government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws. Its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects, which concern all the members of the republic, but which are not to be attained by the separate provisions of any”.

          Alexander Hamilton: “Every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.”

          Notice that lawfully no one serving within OUR government is above the law, ever.

          James Madison: “The ultimate authority resides in the people, and that if the federal government got too powerful and overstepped its authority, then the people would develop plans of resistance and resort to arms.”
          James Madison, Federalist 57, wrote that Congress “can make no law which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as on the great mass of the society.”

          Thomas Jefferson: “When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself public property.”

          Thomas Jefferson: “When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself public property.”

          Understand now? Please read the US Constitution, your state Constitution and do not trust the ones found online to be correct.

        • 50 years ago your mantra would have been “better Red than dead”.

      82. By Quadrants. NE: Jew/Catholic, SE: Zionist Christian, SW: Mexican, NW: White. Each independent and continually at war with one another.

      83. Cal, welcome to the board. That’s a really damn good constructive analysis.

        You may come under attack by the agency azz clown trolls. They might be a little busy running to the underground bases with their Arcon reptilian buddies.



        Agency azz clown super moderator

        • Well, if they’re busy running to their reptilian bases, how the hell can launch an attack? LOL, you’re too funny hcks, please, don’t stop posting!

      84. Javelin

        Maryland is no where to be. Once upon a time The Eastern Shore was as you described…but now…its full of drugs and gangs and thugs and trailer trash. It breaks my heart to the point that my family and I are leaving. My family has farmed here since the early 1700s. Sad

        • hb, Maryland’s legislature was locked up by Lincoln. That was during civil war I. Of course, lincoln was a commie and he wanted total power. He sent Sherman to burn and murder women and children.

          Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

      85. I see their civil war and raise them a Revolution

        Show your cards bitches

      86. Hmmm. I don’t think California is as well situated as many think. Yes it is still a major economic power, so far. But it also has a major vulnerability — water. Bomb or otherwise shutdown the viaducts that feed major population centers like LA, Sac, etc and those areas will empty out. That and the farming districts will totally collapse.Very quickly they become a major importer of food.

      87. Those of us on our side MUST get the details right. Yes, even the spelling and grammar. Any leeway we give only aids in the effort of this who wish to discredit us. What am I referring to? Secession NOT succession. Two entirely different things.

        Now that I got that out, the most intriguing idea that I’ve heard to date is the belief the TX could lead the movement. TX is pulling all their gold back and planning to store it in state. Clearly against the wishes of the bankers. The more I learn about Abbott, the more I like him. He did not casually dismiss the Jade Helm concerns. Jade Helm is not a takeover, but worse. The excercise is a plan to implement a form of AI that will be able to predict centers of dissent. This will eventually end as we all know and it’s just a matter of time. Likely when the wheels come off the economy as it appear right now on 8/13, it is beginning to unwind. Once the sheep wake from their slumber and the state of the country’s economy infringes upon their ability to play fantasy football or watch the Kardadhians that is when this will take shape. It will be swift and decisive. They will move in and attempt to press their boot on the necks of the people that start to realize that this is the while basis and reason for the infringement of the 2nd amendment. Those that can escape the initial push will eventually prove to be an impossible hurdle for the globalists. There are simply too many of us that are armed and too many of us that are prepared or preparing. It’s a simple math problem. Even if they crushed 2% of gun owners, 1% of us is more than enough needed to push back. Combine that with those in the armed services that will turn. The problem I see is that America as we know it will end. It will break into regions that want socialism and regions that want individual liberty. Frankly, isn’t that what the founders wanted us to be in the first place. They wanted the states to compete and prove who had the best ideas. Those that had the best ideas would flourish. The Fed. Gov’t has gone well beyond their mandate. They WILL NOT give up what we have given them. It will need to be taken. As far as the banks. Simple, we MUST refuse to work within the existing structure. We must make our own banking system. Started by known patriots of freedom with simple rules to reign in the human propensity to become corrupt

        • I agree with you that getting things right is important. I also agree with most of what you said.

          But there is something very important that is a big part of the propaganda that I can see is even embedded within your mind. I am referring to

          “The Fed. Gov’t has gone well beyond their mandate”

          Our type of government is a Constitutional Republic, and those that SERVE WITHIN what is commonly called the “federal” government are NOT “THE” government, they are employees – elected, hired, contracted, etc with MANDATED authority.

          It is important to say exactly what they are even in general terms – they SERVE WITHIN our government.

          Another thing that you seem to not know is the Second Amendment. Within it is the word “necessary” which is the ONLY place within the US Constitution that word or any like it is used, and it is in reference to the organized Militia. Our founders felt that the Militia was the one main thing needed for us to keep our nation free, that is was/is “… necessary to the security of a free State”.

          Constitution of the United States of America, Second Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

          The Militia is the people who do NOT serve within our governments. The organized Militia are those that have been trained according to the rules of congress for training the US military. All constitutional veterans are the organized Militia and those that they train. They have the constitutional lawfulness and legality to do their Militias of the several states constitutionally assigned duties to:

          — Enforce the US Constitution (Supreme LAW of our nation) and each state’s Constitution (Highest LAW of each state except where they conflict with the US Constitution),
          — Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which are constitutional laws ONLY),
          — Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
          — “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”.

          No other governmental body has those duties assigned to them.

          Organized Militias can lawfully make sure that our elections are NOT fraudulent, restoring the people’s voice.

          They are required to “repel Invasions” and it matters not if we have a traitor in the position impersonating a US president who is not doing the lawfully assigned duties that go with serving for a time within the presidential office.

          The Militia is also to “Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union”, which is referring to all laws/regulations/etc that affect the people themselves that are in Pursuance thereof the US Constitution.

          Enforcing “the US Constitution (Supreme LAW of our nation) and each state’s Constitution (Highest LAW of each state except where they conflict with the US Constitution) means that those who serve within our governments can be charged, arrested, removed, and prosecuted for their crimes by the Militia and the people’s Grand Jury.

          BAsically all that is wrong with our nation is our own fault because we got lazy and let those that serve within our governments do unlawful things like disband the REQUIRED Militias, us, from doing our duty.

          Don’t think they are that important, “necessary” today?

          We are in a police state exactly because we let those who serve within our governments create those that were outright forbidden to them, a permanent (standing) military and governmental professional law enforcement. Those that serve within the federal and state governments are REQUIRED to use the Militia for those duties listed within the US Constitution and each state Constitution and NO ONE ELSE, NO other groups.

          US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 12: “To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years”.

          Notice that they are to “raise” armies. That is why the organized Militia is required to be trained as the US military is, because they/we must fight to defend our nation, and from those ranks the Military is pulled, and others trained more.

          Thomas Jefferson, 1st inaugural, explained that: “a well-disciplined militia” is “our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war, till regulars may relieve them” and also a guarantee of “the supremacy of the civil over the military authority; [and] economy in the public expense.”

          Clause 15: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel invasions.

          The militia of each state is entrusted with the defense of the USA and her people, not just with the defense of their state; and they are to be armed with weapons that can repel any invasions bearing modern weapons of war. Congress is required to provide those military grade weapons for the militias, not to any foreign entity,foreign nation, foreign terrorists/rebels, nor to any governmental professional law enforcement agencies as Clause 16 makes clear.

          Clause 16: “To provide for organizing, ARMING, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress”.

          But notice that these list the duties of those that serve within the federal government have TO the people’s Militias, what the Militias MUST be used for is also listed and put into writing.

          Each state Constitution has their own list for the Militias.

          It is important to know that the Militia, though required to be used by those that serve within the federal and state governments, are only under their “command” while doing those specific duties,and they are not “bound” to the state governments as a military unit is. The military is also subservient to the civil authority, and the Militia is the enforcing arm of the civil which places the Military under the Militia.

          When being used by those that serve within the federal government the Militias are only to take orders from whoever is serving as US president, not anyone who serves within the Military, nor can the US president assign officers within the Militia.

          The Militia, though mentioned within the First and Second Articles which lists duties, and requirements of those that serve within it have to the Militias, not putting them directly under any branch except for specific and put into writing duties (“… “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States”.

          The same for the states, which are required to use them, and to Appoint the Officers, and the training of the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress for the US military.

          The Militias are governed by the Laws of our land, the Constitutions – “The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.”

          John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States 475: “To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.”

          Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers 28: The militia is a voluntary force not associated or under the control of the States except when called out; [when called into actual service] a permanent or long standing force would be entirely different in make-up and call.

          Basically the Militia and the Grand Jury are the people’s tools, as are Elections for “governing” and maintaining the contracts (Constitutionally assigned duties) of those that serve within our governments. They stop a “police state” from ever being formed because “We the People” are the Militia, trained and armed. Etc.

          What is needed is for the PEOPLE to do their constitutionally assigned duties.

          Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers 28: The militia is a voluntary force not associated or under the control of the States except when called out; [when called into actual service] a permanent or long standing force would be entirely different in make-up and call.

          • Sheesh, blew that one right away.

            It is not supposed to be the word “mandated” but “DELEGATED”.

            “Our type of government is a Constitutional Republic, and those that SERVE WITHIN what is commonly called the “federal” government are NOT “THE” government, they are employees – elected, hired, contracted, etc with DELEGATED authority.”

      88. If you’ve read anything that Obama has stated publicly in his books and his speeches, it’s not so much who will win as it that America looses. It’s not hard to find.

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