You Can’t Eat Gold… But It’s Portable, Easy To Trade and Confiscation-Proof

by | Apr 11, 2014 | Emergency Preparedness, Headline News, Precious Metals | 272 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    If you need cooking oil you have to exchange it for gold. If you need soap you have to exchange it for gold. Everything is gold, gold, gold…

    For everything they want gold…

    Residents, Zimbabwe (2009)
    (Watch Video Below)

    gold-for-dinnerIf you’ve conducted even a preliminary investigation into the global economic situation you’ve likely concluded that something isn’t right. As noted previously, all of the evidence points to serious economic failure in the very near future as our day of reckoning approaches. The decline itself has been taking place for years and we’ve seen it happen all around us.  Rather than delve into evermore evidence for why a collapse of our way of life is inevitable, the following guide from our friend Daniel Ameduri of Future Money Trends provides actionable advice designed to preserve your wealth during hard times and protect it from a government hellbent on confiscating it at the first chance they get.

    What it all boils down to is owning assets of (real) value. Much of this is dependent on our individual means, but the overall strategy should be similar for everyone: diversification. This can mean long-term food stores, bartering supplies, skills development, acquisition of productive land or, in the case outlined by Daniel below, owning mechanisms of exchange that have been tried and tested for centuries across the entire globe.

    Whatever your approach, consider the points Daniel highlights below as you build your own collapse insurance stockpiles. Though his article focuses on gold and silver as future currencies in the event of a US dollar crash, your other supplies should have a similar elasticity and desirability in the (underground) marketplace.

    Despite our best laid plans, keep in mind that in a collapse scenario we’ll be faced with situations for which it may be impossible to fully prepare for in advance. That being said, whether you are storing gold or stockpiling food, be sure that at least some of your supplies are portable, confiscation-proof, and easy to trade in a worst case scenario.

    7 Reasons You Should be Saving in Gold
    by Daniel Ameduri

    When it comes to saving a portion of your earnings, an error most people make is to save their wealth in man-made currencies. These currencies are controlled by central planners, regularly manipulated, and created out of thin air without regard for the value of the currency you have in your wallet.

    In the digital age, accounts holding these currencies can be frozen, easily confiscated, and tracked.

    I personally advocate saving in gold or other precious metals like silver, palladium, or platinum. A combination of truths lead me to this simple savings strategy:

    7. Lawsuit proof, not technically, but the fact is no one knows how much gold you have, it is a private matter. Gold is “off the books” when it comes to financial accounting.

    6. A history of being money, an independent unit of account that is the same no matter where it was mined or how old it is. It is a constant measurement of value, you can take a gold piece anywhere in the world and it will have value. This is much different than a fiat currency, once outside of your nation’s borders, a currency may not be generally accepted. You also have thousands of fiat currencies that no longer have any value, like the U.S. Continental or the Confederate States of America dollar.

    5. It can’t go to zero. Zero value for gold isn’t an option, hasn’t ever happened and never will. The process to get a 1 ounce gold coin to you has hundreds of man hours behind it, maybe even thousands if you consider the full operation of gold exploration, production, refinement, and delivery.

    This is the entire point of saving your wealth, you save to not lose. I understand that you can measure gold vs. the dollar, or gold vs. oil, and that its price will fluctuate, but the value in gold itself does not change.

    4. The currency printers are hoarding it. When the most powerful group of people in the world, the central bankers, desire to have 1 asset, then that alone should get your attention. Central banks who print the currencies that the masses treat as a store of value, those central banks buy and store physical gold, not silver, not houses, not oil, they own gold! If it is good enough for the masters of this world, then it’s good enough for me.

    3. Financial insurance. When it all hits the fan…Be that a government or economic collapse, at the end of the day, gold survives. It still has value in the new world. It also makes for a great “start over fund” for the reasons listed above, it won’t go to zero and it’s private money.

    2. Portable. I think it’s important that if you need to, you could easily carry or move your wealth to a different region. Just to give you an idea, $200,000 in gold is about the size of a VHS tape. Your fiat currencies are typically tied up over the weekend and on bank holidays; in fact, even if you wanted to physically get your cash, you couldn’t unless you gave your bank a 72 hour notice for withdraws over $5,000.

    1. Legacy wealth. Gold is something you can safely store away knowing that it is something of great value that you can pass on to your children and your children’s children.

    It is a safe stash of value that you can tap into when you are in your “golden” years or at anytime throughout your life.

    Ultimately when you are saving a portion of your earnings, you want to protect and preserve it. Gold, in my opinion, along with the other precious metals, are the best way to achieve the objective of saving money by preserving both the value of your savings and protecting it from unwanted dangers, like government and civil litigation.

    You can follow Future Money Trends via their web site or subscribe to their free Weekly Wealth Digest newsletter for regularly updates wealth building strategies and global commentary.

    The argument often put forth regarding gold and silver as collapse insurance  is that “you can’t eat it.”


    But even in Zimbabwe, where a loaf of bread cost a trillion Zimbabwe dollars at one point, gold held an important role. Those who had no supplies, or lost them over the many years of currency destruction, eventually resorted to gold panning and trade to acquire food on a daily basis.

    The point being that, so long as your asset is desirable somewhere in the world there will be someone willing to trade for it.

    Watch the following video and see this concept being applied in the real world:

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      1. Sickofhandouts


        • Iowa

          This shit is getting old. If they dont know by now that there is storm coming, fuck em.

          • Mich

            We should embrace the fact that everyone

            is destined to become a criminal. When

            gold, guns, and gardens are considered

            illegal contraband and subject to penalty

            of law, then we will become the de facto

            rogue element subject to anti-terrorism

            laws against the State.

            • sixpack

              Accept the fact that we are already criminals in the eyes of our own government. We are already “rogue” elements to them, because we think for ourselves and we know who they are and what they are doing to the people.

              In a world where everybody is a criminal, WHO ARE THE OUTCASTS?

              • Be informed

                @ Mac and everyone. There is an excellent coverage of the Bundy standoff right now on Fox News with Sean Hannity. This is a must watch.

                • sd mule

                  Hannity is a scumbag, shill!!!!

                • Burt Gummer

                  I’ll bet Sean, as usual, misses the point on the whole thing.

              • sd mule

                You’re NOT thinking for yourself if you are watching and listening to the Limbaugh’s, the Hannity’s, the O’Reilly’s, and arguing for the Republicans vs. the Democrats or the Democrats vs. the Republicans. You are following the programming that has been in place for many, many years. You can’t solve the problems with the same THINKING that created the problems.Throw off your mental chains!!!

                • CWinOR

                  @ sd mule- You haven’t been here long enough to know what sixpack believes, or most of the rest of us either for that matter. go cast your aspersions somewhere else.

                  • Jezebel

                    “You Can’t Eat Gold… But It’s Portable”

                    So portable that there may not be any left in Ft. Knox.

                  • sd mule

                    I was born in America and I live in America and I WILL DO AS I PLEASE!!!

                • sixpack

                  sd mule, I don’t even have a TV and I don’t watch that crap anyway. I assure you my “thinking” is derived from hours of research and history, for most of my adult life.

                  I’ve spent more time than the average Joe, trying to glean info and verify what I found.

                  Don’t tell me what to think.

                  • sd mule

                    I will tell you whatever I wish, it is your choice whether or not you listen.

                  • Burt Gummer

                    SD Mule needs to pack that mule and go off into the hinter land where he does not have to interact with civilized folk. Let the worms get ’em, hehehe. I would say something about a jackass, but not gonna’ do it.

            • Northern Reb

              Then call me a criminal and damn proud to be one!!!!
              N.R N.S N.REB

              • Kulafarmer

                Thats where im at and want to die in a hail of bullets like Bonnie and Clyde.
                Screw it!

                • Mucjh ado about nothing

                  Why is it so many want to die with Custer mentality, Custer was a moron…

              • CWinOR

                personally, I like the term “American Insurgent”.

                • sixpack

                  might as well, they’ll foist it on us anyhow.

                  • Burt Gummer

                    Snipers laying in wait to take out the dangerous rebels who dare grow their own food in a backyard garden. Govt is bat-shit crazy enough to do it.

            • PWYPreach

              The definition of “criminality” by itself is based solely on what those in power determine it to be.

              There are globally accepted crimes such as murder, theft, and rape.

              Then there are crimes based on society: I call these the “people are seriously stupid” crimes because they are mostly in place because of one or more seriously stupid members of society. Case in point: Having to adopt a law that prohibits photographing women with your cell phone underneath their dresses and skirts.

              And in regards to seriously stupid people: I actually saw a black man’s blog whereby he stated that the reason there are ghettos is because white people moved (you mean you can’t have a nice black neighborhood unless white people live in it???)

              And then there are the totally absurd crimes of the times: In some places, it used to be a crime for a woman to cut her own hair without her husband’s permission; a crime if a peasant were to stare nobility in the eye; a crime if you married without the noble’s consent. All of these are what I call “control-freak laws.”

              Unfortunately, we are living in a “control-freak” era where everything you do is stated to be a “crime” by our self-proclaimed “nobility.”

              I find it really interesting to view the comments on other sites in general in regard to these “times.” They range from total encouragement and agreement to what is going on by government (usually spewed out by liberal, government teat-sucking folks), blind acceptance, not acceptance but whining about helplessness, not acceptance but anger, and not acceptance and physically taking a stand.

              I don’t know the exact reason why the government is throwing Bundy off the land: Whether it is for the stated reason of fracking or the other stated reason that Harry Reid wants the land to further his son’s investments in “green energy” with the Chinese. However, after handing the Ukraine a billion dollars without blinking, I doubt a million-dollar grazing fee is the issue.

              But we are quickly coming to a time when people with courage have had enough. I personally refuse to be labeled criminal because I DO NOT accept their control-freak, self-annointed authority….guess I am in the acceptance and anger stage, but quickly rounding the curve towards my “take a physical stand” phase.

              • PWYPreach

                *I am in the NOT acceptance and anger stage…sorry about that! My kingdom for a proofreader.

              • CWinOR

                I’d give that post two thumbs up if I could! Amen! For some time now, I’ve quit obeying the Laws of Man, as they have been diverging from the simple premise of Right vs. Wrong for so long now, there is virtually nothing Just about them. I’ll stick with the original and definitive source of Justice myself- His Word. (not that I’m always on the right side of that either- but I do try daily at least)

        • Stan522

          I still prefer brass and lead…..

          • admin

            Totally… at least you can shoot them at high velocities and have some fun, rather than just kind of looking at ’em!

            • Iowa

              Hey Mac, are the same people who built working on the chat forum for your site?

              • admin

                HAHAHAHA!! That’s funny, but sad at the same time.

                It is on the agenda but things come up left and right and I always seem to have to put it on the back burner.

                It IS coming. I was just emailing with the developer today and am moving it to the top of the list (or right near the top).

                thanks for staying on me about this. I know it is an important element to this web site and needs to be up and running.

                • Iowa

                  Whatever Mac, you said that two years ago.

                  • Rich98

                    And he’ll be sayin it in to more years, Iowa. If anyone cannot see that he has NO PLAN to do this, they are blind.

                    Chat forums COST money, not MAKE money, and that is what he and his wife and their various websites are all about.

                    Nothing more, nothing less.

                    You will never see a chat forum on here.

                    The website would fucking die in a week.

                    If you’ll notice, out of 250 comments on any said article, and 20 are relevant to the “story”… the rest is bullshit about anything and everything else.

                  • Sovo

                    Some people (Rich98) are just miserable, unhappy sods who must make everyone around them miserable.

                    I truly pity Rich98’s family.

                  • Much ado about nothing

                    That’s why he thanked him for “staying on him” about that,

                  • Gregory8

                    Iowa: You and some others seem to be missing the point of all these ‘warnings’. It’s a slow, on going event, or better yet, a set of various events, that are tied together that are pulling down this entire economic framework for the modern world. The sad part of this is two-fold. The First one is that the slower the crash the slower the recovery because of the time involved. The Second part is that when things seem to ‘settle down’ down, folks get complacent and begin to believe that the worst is ‘finally’ over. But that’s an illusion like an earthquake, there are always more to follow. Every time we hit a new low most people begin to think that ‘this’ is the new normal, forgetting that they thought the same thing all those other times as well. We’re all going to wake up one day and cops, firefighters, and even the garbage man will stop coming until they just stop. But these phases are usually very long as well. I know, I lived in a 3rd world country where all these things were quite normal. Have patience, it’s coming to all of us soon enough. It will be decades before we can recover so now is the time to speed up with the preps because there will be a point of no-return and prep time is over.

                • BJ

                  How about forcing everything else to the back burner and do what you said you would do, instead of vice versa?

                  Not trying to be nasty, but it seems you just keep talking and not doing. It also appears that you keep making changes to the site over the last 3 years that do NOT benefit us, but do you???

                  • wrong

                    BE GRATEFUL FOR WHAT WE HAVE

                  • Rich98

                    BJ- Careful. They may call YOU miserable, and pity YOUR family too!
                    What you say, is how it is. Mac knows that he has a bunch of serfs in this site. I can’t tell you how many times he has said it was in the works and something would be up in a week or two.

                    I stick by my original post. This site is about money for MAC, as are his wifes site, and his other site.

                    Same reason Michael Snyder has THREE sites ( that I know of) that basically deal with the same thing. Just having three sites means more chance of ad money…

                    If there was a chat forum here, again I will say it… this site would have no activity. ALL the activity here *IS* chat and not related to the articles. Well, 90 per cent of comments aren’t.

                    No SOVO, I am not miserable and my family is just fine, thank you. I’m speaking the truth. Let MAC dispute it.

                    You see he isn’t, don’t you? He counts on you serfs for that. And you never let him down!

                    HA! It’ll be here… next week.

                    Don’t hold your hand on your ass waiting though…. it’ll grow there.

                • Feisty Old Broad

                  Hope it is there when it truly is NEEDED….

                  • Feisty Old Broad

                    NOW is the time when some folks should be able to contact each other directly….with all due respect to Mac, who provides much in the way of articles and a venue where all can say whatever concerns them or share much needed information regarding preps….BUT, the time is rapidly approaching where WE will NEED to know each other …..
                    If not Here, then Where….?
                    Thanks for all you do Mac..but, maybe…could you go just one step farther? And find a way that we all can connect in a secure manner?
                    Thank You

                • thefulishbastid

                  Hey Mac, Just wanted to stop by and thank you for providing this website.

                  I don’t always agree with you but fk a couple of losers who rag on you for your chat forum.

            • posseecom

              Given the countless , mind you,myriad of articles over the last few years posted here and so many other sites depicting the demise of most of us 99% in wages and collapse of earnings..just who the fuck can afford gold at this point in time?

              Is this a frigging joke or what?

              Meanwhile the good folks at Nevada are fighting for their livelihood as “supposed” “thousands” are spending their hard earned money, that they don’t have, to assist them in the fight against tyranny and we’re now discussing gold and assets????????????????????????????


              Is D.K. now in control of this site?


              • sixpack

                You can get 1/10 oz American gold eagle for about $146. They sometimes have 1/20 oz eagles for about half that.

                1/20 of an oz doesn’t seem like much, but it is easy to tender and 20 of them makes an ounce.

                I live on less than $900 a month, paying $600 in rent and I’m doing it.

                • Smokey

                  The little Mexican Dos Pesos coins are also affordable, they stack up nicely over time.

                • jim in denver

                  thanks 6 pack.
                  I’m stuck, just like you are… and I’m scared of what is
                  coming. when the dollar turns to do-do, you just showed me
                  a way out when I have to flee for my life and leave everything.
                  again, thanks for the info.

                • MPB

                  I buy 1/10 oz because if I need it to buy food or something, I won’t have to ask if they have change for a thousand… Or for whatever it’s going for at the time…

                • Burt Gummer

                  I buy the .5 gram and 1 gram gold bars that are encased in a plastic card about the size of a credit card. Now going for about $24 -25 for .5 gram and $48-49 for 1 gram. In a few years I think you could go to Kroger, fill your gas tank and trunk full of groceries for that $25 .5 gram card.

              • Rich98

                Cmon Posse… you mean you aren’t going ot run out in the morning and pick up 100 ounces or two?

                Oh right… you don’t run half dozen money making websites…

                my bad. Sorry man.

                But Im gonna go out and get me a hundred ounces first thing in the A.M.

                • PO'd Patriot

                  Rich 98, you know you don’t really have to stick around and get hyper. Nobody does. Mac puts up articles I sometimes never read because either I already know what the outcome will be or I’m just not interested. Other people may like it and want to comment. I mostly stay plenty busy and end up taking the weekend to do a little reading after work and chores. So calm down dude before you bust a gasket.

                • Much ado about nothing

                  I call BS

              • CBGB's

                I hope Mac is making money. Nothing wrong with that. Good for him.

              • buttcrackofdoom

                possee, you don’t suppose there are NEW readers all the time on this site, do you? and just for the record, i just bought some more gold last month….when in the history of the world, did a man with gold go hungry? good article mac. sometimes it helps to explain to people in different ways what needs to be done.

                • Feisty Old Broad

                  Well, if I have food and you do not, and I have NO NEED for gold so I do not sell food to you, but rather keep it for my own usage or for barter for real goods….where does that leave you? Gold is not the end all to be all…it is what it is, and those who have it think that all will be hunky-dory….sorry, I disagree.

              • JohnFornaro

                What the problem is, PosseeCom? There’s plenty of gold coins at the bottom of the Atlantic. All ya gotta do is dig up an old Spanish galleon. It’s as easy as falling off a piece of cake.

              • PKLauLau

                Everybody (this is probably old news to most of you)….well, the FDA has ordered a no fly zone (no witnesses, news choppers or finding their cattle…OR watching BLM’s movements) over this little town and Bundy’s ranch. Cell towers are out and this is happening in other states. Please see links. So, are they feeling cornered or are they just in an all out assault? That is scary either way….

                Mac: there are two more illegal land grabs by BLM going on right now. They are targeting ranchers….please report on this and tie it all together….Agenda 21 and the dismantling of America.



                This is one fight “we the people” must win….please, provide support in any way you are able…..and pray.

                • PKLauLau

                  Edit: Food and Drug Admin ordered a no fly zone….LOL….sorry, you know who I mean….


          • Mountain Trekker

            But what about Nickles! My floors are starting to sag, and they’re still only worth 5 cents. Trekker Out. Semper Paratus!

            • Mich

              Trekker, cash out the nickels and buy

              junk silver coins with the money.

              • wrong

                Yes. Great idea.

        • braahaahaa

          Brahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!! Planetary devastation!!!!

        • Neighbor

          Really? Because you think you’re prepared, to heck with everyone else? How sad. You obviously have never experienced or witnessed a serious mass disaster. Neither have you held someone suffering when they died. Nor have you seen people starving to death because they lived under an oppressive regime and the only people around them that could help had your cold-hearted attitude. When you understand your role as a neighbor and citizen, then open your mouth. Until then, stay silent and work on your grave because you won’t make it alone.

      2. rede2lead

        Some of us are struggling to make ends meet and can’t afford gold.
        Bullets and beans on the other hand…

        • admin

          Totally understandable — we do what we can with what we have.

          Even buying a silver quarter or two (currently about $3.50 a pop) will come in handy for trade.

          I’m sure most will agree that we can’t be 100% prepared. As such, having these barterable supplies on hand will be of use… You never know when you’ll need to buy some shoes or gloves or nails… the list goes on and on.

          I’m of the belief that gold and silver (probably silver more so than gold) will be an important mechanism for trade in a post-collapse world.

          Silver for food and other supplies… gold for land and buying your freedom in case you have to bail.

          • rede2lead

            I agree with that and have been combing through change with my father for as long as I can remember.
            Needless to say… I’ve got a nice little sack of junk silver accumulated. Patience pays off in this instance.
            Silver has many uses and is easier to barter with for the smaller things if we go that route…
            In an immediate emergency I just don’t see it helping much… I mean yes its there, but I am always going to be the guy who doubts a metals viability until it’s too late.
            I will simply just be sh!t out of luck the point where I need gold to save my life or buy property in a societal breakdown.
            I can live with that.

            • CrackerJack

              Last year I kept picking up a couple rolls of half dollars here and there from the bank. Out of about $250/300 throughout the year, i found a single 40%er. Not bad, for just moving money. Im not going to get rich doing this but its free silver.

              Then took them to the local coinstar and got gift cards for stores I was buying stuff at anyways with no charge. Different coinstars have different gift cards that incur no fee when turn in more than $10 in change so I had to search around a bit.

              I also comine these cards with sites like fatwallet to find the best deals and earn cashback on my purchases.

              Which in turn lets me buy a little bit of 90% every once in a while.

              I think gold is just going to go higher and higher until it resets, silver is going to go through the roof when the shiat hits…

              Id rather buy silver with little to no premium vs $20 and up for gold.

          • Feisty Old Broad

            I actually believe that gold and silver will not be worth very much until MUCH farther down this road we are traveling…everything has value when someone ELSE NEEDS IT… and silver will not buy much initially….and, may NOT buy anything whatsoever when the smoke clears….trust your gut instincts and invest in what YOU feel will be of value…..


            • Feisty Old Broad

              ADDENDUM: I will reiterate that KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS will be of far more value than gold or silver initially…read and glean MORE information regarding ANY skill that may even reflect those of the far past, for that may be the path we will follow. Learn how to DO for yourselves….as I have said before, only in unity will we survive and talents/skills are spread out upon the many….


              • rede2lead

                Knowledge and practical skills will be worth a million times whatever the value of metals go to.
                No fear of confiscation or extra weight is an additional bonus.

            • PO'd Patriot

              FOB, I feel that way too. I figured I could either leave it in an IRA and let the government and banksters steal it or pull it out and purchase silver. I chose the latter for my wife and children.

          • Kulafarmer

            Ill trade you nails for …….
            And have shoes ill trade for…..
            And vegetables for……
            Trade you gloves for…..
            Guess maybe ill get those PMs one way or another anyway

            • rede2lead

              Is this satire? I apologize in advance for my response if I took your comment out of context.

              Anyone out there who comes to me in a post SHTF economy with a handful of gold is up the creek without a paddle.
              Why would I want it? To be wealthy?
              I figure I’m pretty rich if I’ve got 6 months word of food and a thousand rounds of various caliber ammunition with a roof over my head…
              Gold is important to rulers and the elite… and in that world, resentment.
              I don’t intend on becoming the target.

        • Ordinary Average Guy

          Thats what i was going to say…except i can’t afford any extras.

          • rede2lead

            No such thing as extra here either… I have at least one, if not multiple uses for everything I own.

      3. Warchild Dammit

        All your basic preps in order ect. nothing wrong at all with having in hand pm’s as part of your long term investments.That said,confiscation proof,hardly,but am sure owners will put up one hell of a fight before you get it,if you do!

        • admin

          I should have expanded on the confiscation-proofness of gold/silver here… I agree with you — in essence, everything can be confiscated if it is found.

          What makes PM’s, as well as things like bullets/bandaids/beans/rice/etc. so desirable as collapse insurance is that they can be hidden and moved fairly easily.

          So long as you keep them out of view (and leave no paper trail), you’ve got a pretty decent chance of success…

          • Smokey

            Unless you bury 1,427 gold coins under an oak tree, never to return.

          • arco

            I buy all my silver from a local coin dealer. Always pay cash, no paperwork. He knows what I like. He’s more into collecting numismatics. So whenever some poor soul wanders in and unloads a bunch of eagles or 90%, he gives me a call.

            • Northern Reb

              I buy all my silver that way also. No paper trail, just me, my wife and my dealer know about it.
              Not even my boy’s know when an how much I buy. All any one knows is that I have some
              It is all under the watchful eye of my three friends.
              SMITH AND WESSON and Mr. COLT!;-)
              N.R N.S. N.REB

              • PO'd Patriot

                I’ll second that.

      4. To The Moon

        I’m stacking food, ammo, silver, wax and anything else that might come in handy.

        At this point I don’t trust the system at all. Part of our planning involves having to evacuate and leave everything behind.

        Like Selco said, be ready to walk away and adapt.

        • Kulafarmer

          That is one reason im not getting too carried away buying stuff like food, ive got quite a bit but if i gotta run i cant take it with, so everything within reason, Selco makes a lot of sense in his writings, i would rather learn from folks like him than learn the hard way.

      5. Me here

        Not knowing for sure how all of this will go down, having a little of everything would be a good idea.

        • admin

          No doubt. Diversification is the name of the game. And that includes geographic diversification for those with the capability to do so.

          For those who don’t have a ‘bug out’ location or a friend/family member with whom they’ve worked out a bug out plan, there’s always the wilderness and a shovel…

          • eppe

            Old one but funny….

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            The BOB DOLE (AKA: VIAGRA) virus: makes a new hard drive out of an old floppy.

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            and last but not least …

            The LORENA BOBBITT virus: reformats your hard drive into a 3.5-inch floppy, then discards it through Windows.

            • Rick:)

              Barrack Obama virus… Runs bootleg software with bogus certification. Gives you confidence your files are safe…… Then.. Poof….gone.

              MSNBC virus…. Keeps popping up , telling you how good the Barrack Obama is.

              Grow this list.. The old one is good,but dared. Too much good material to ignore!

              The Kathleen Sebelius virus. , just doesn’t work, missing pages in instruction manual.

              • Rick:)

                Dated, not dared. Spell ck, and old eyes.

              • eppe

                BLM virus: Puts up a fake website, promises to save files (tortoses, turtles) makes many show up for support, then backs out or loses files (fake false flag) and leaves your mouse stuck in one place (Bundy).

                • eppe

                  Woops, looks like they have come back…

                  BLM virus 2.0: Looks like they backed up your files, then you hit ‘restore’ and they come back for more with more meaner viruses (LEOS). And looks like the previous restore just with bigger guns (more viruses)…

            • Miss DeeDee

              Thanks for the laugh today and for the one the other day about ” Wine & Water”
              I have been away from this site for a spell and have missed it a lot.
              Take Care,
              — Miss Dee Dee

              • IL mom

                Welcome back miss Dee dee!!

              • eppe

                Miss Dee Dee:
                Thank you for appreciating my humor, look at the bottom of the list for a Bibical verse and prayer for all, since we really need it now in this time of craziness of the world…

            • JohnFornaro

              Gosh, Eppe: You should take something for all those viruses. Are they covered by O-care?

              • eppe

                Sad to say NO, but no one correlated how at this moment in time, computers are a commodity we need. When we have no electronics, PMs are a commodity we will need. After the basics, of course. When I post, I try to have a double meaning, and most do not catch it. I try to think outside the box always in all arenas…

      6. Northern Reb

        Gold is good to have if you can aford to pay $1300 an ounce for one gold coin.
        When it come to buying some goods with it how are you going to get $300 dollars out of it unless you cut it up into little pieces.
        That is why I think silver is better. Of course you would have to have more silver to equal the same dollar amout of gold.
        You would have an easier time buying some goods with a siver eagle that is $20 an ounce.
        Good article make you want to rethink somethings, but I’ll stay with silver, brass and lead for my precious metals.
        N.R N.S. N.REB

        • admin

          Excellent points Reb — and I agree. Gold is a highly ‘dense’ monetary unit and the last thing I want to be doing is pulling out a one ounce bar at a Mad Max post-collapse market and attempt to break it into pieces.

          I think, though Daniel didn’t specifically mention it in his guide, one could interchange silver here and get the same result.

          If all hell breaks loose and we go full out grid-down then I agree – brass and lead will be just as precious as silver.

          • Warchild Dammit

            They do make gold candy bars for lack of a better word,can carefully break off one gram pieces at a time,one around might be handy,me,more food for myself and the “toys”.

          • PO'd Patriot

            Yes brass and lead plus the willingness to use it without bothering to put down your dinner fork.

          • Kevin2

            A friends wife lived through de-facto financial collapse in the 1990s in Belarus post Soviet Union break up. Gold was the currency in the form of jewelry. In the book about the collapse in Argentina gold rings and chains (especially chains) became the most useful currency next to US dollars. Granted were talking about USDs collapsing so gold is the default. Coin at 24K got you no more per unit weight than a ring at 14K because rings and 14K purity became the standard. Gold chain was ideal because links could be cut off for smaller purchases.

        • erv

          You do not have to buy a full ounce of gold. You can buy 1/10 ounce, you can even buy 1 gram. Like Mac says, have silver for the every day items and gold for large purchases; plus gold is more compact and easier to transport.

          • Rick:)

            My buddy runs a ” Cash For Gold” . Folks bring in their ” junk”, and walk out all goose pimply with cash.
            The sheep are very well conditioned .

      7. Cash Money

        A wealth of knowledge from this guy.

        Reading his work is like enjoying a nice glass of wine, watching netflix, just after waking from a long mid-afernoon nap.

        I appreciate all of your hard work in finding these great words of advice.

        I think I’ll smoke one up now and reflect on this article.

      8. Barn Cat

        We have 1/10 of an ounce gold coins but most of our savings is in silver. Gold is a good investment but junk silver coins are a lot easier to sell or barter in small amounts. For silver I have 90% silver pre-1964 US coins and one ounce Canadian Maple Leaf coins. Gold is very valuable for its size. A 1/10 of an ounce gold coin is thinner and smaller in diameter than a dime but cost about $150. They would be very easy to hide in your house.

        Gold and silver prices have been suppressed for a long time. Some people speculate that metals prices could go up 500% when price suppression ends. Jim Willie said that after the dollar is devalued we could see gold at $5000 an ounce and silver at $400 an ounce.

        • admin

          I would not doubt these numbers at all Barn Cat.

          If the dollar is lost, then all bets are off. At that point, we can’t even assign a dollar value to gold/silver because there currency itself could be inflating Zimbabwe style at literally 1000’s of percentage points a day. At those levels, people won’t even be cross-calculating with USD anymore…

          • Warchild Dammit

            Yep,may be rapid metal rises,that said,inflation has hit the fan also,thus,whatever the gold gets you today would probably roughly be the same,well,till full ugliness hits,then,for awhile not worth a damn except a future bet.

          • Warchild Dammit

            Rick,keep in mind the surface may be what gets you and others thru tough times.

      9. watching and waiting

        It is true you cannot eat it.
        It is true it is pretty to look at and can be additive to some.
        It is good to have some on hand perhaps to barter.
        Most of us will not resort to panning for it.
        It will never replace beans and bullets.
        That is how I feel about it.

        • arco

          I was watching ‘The Road’ for the second time with my sister when the scene came up where he leaves his wedding band on the bridge. My sister said, “What an idiot, he could barter with that.” I replied, “Barter for what? You can’t eat it. All anybody wants is food.”

          Although it seemed bullets were pretty important to have too.

          • Prepared Pastor

            ‘The Road’ is an excellent work of fiction, but it is just that. While gold may have little value regionally at certain times, precious metals have always had value wherever some people had a surplus. They weren’t giving away food during the seven year famine in Egypt described in the Bible and elsewhere. More recently after the great San Francisco earthquake in 1906 ferries were demanding gold.

            That ring that was of little value in the short-term could have been easily passed on to his son who might have used it to buy an apprenticeship raising his own family to a higher standard of living once things improve.

            Things eventually get better and for that reason I will never liquidate my silver for conveniences like utilities. While in the movie all anyone wanted was food, those who recognized precious metals are a store of future value might have traded it for something on which they place no value – like his life.

      10. sixpack

        You can subscribe to get email updates, or text messages about the Cliven Bundy situation at

        I just signed up for email updates.

        • PKLauLau


          I get nothing with this link….would that be because they have disabled the towers around his ranch?


          • JayJay

            omit the www.

          • sixpack

            I knew it was something like this.

        • JayJay

          thank you much, sixpack.

          • PKLauLau

            Thanks for the info….guys please see post I made a few moments ago above, near the top. #3006388

            There are two more (that I know of) BLM land grabs against ranchers going on right now and they need to have some press too. See links and spread around….

            Mac please do a “big picture” story on this…


        • sixpack

          I just clicked on it (the link in my comment) and got the “SUPPORT CLIVEN BUNDY” page. Maybe you could try again, in case it was just busy or something.

      11. The Lone Ranger

        Maybe real small flashlights pre-equipped with batteries will be a HOT bartering item in lieu of gold.

        Think about it.

        How many preppers, let alone non-preppers, will have adequate or sufficient battery-powered illumination [light]?

        So, let there be light!

        – the Lone Ranger

        • admin

          Agreed- I think batteries in general.

          If you’ve got rechargeables and some portable solar panels and a charger, you may have a thriving business in a grid-down environment.

          • Feisty Old Broad

            I guess I am on a different page from others…..rather than massive amounts of batteries(although I do have some), I have oil lamps….and cloths, buttons, and grease to make button lamps should the need arise….I think I look at the long term, rather than the short term effects…and have learned how life was lived many, many years ago….and I go from that point, WITHOUT much from the Now…..I just don’t believe in so much “stuff” to survive….We, now, have far more than those who crossed the plains in covered wagons to achieve their dreams of a better life….and those people left much “stuff” on the side of the trail when they realized that the animals could not continue to pull all that “stuff” and survive….they left their heirloom furniture and precious mementoes by the wayside….Why, you may ask… have a better life; to fulfill dreams; to escape a past and start a new beginning… many reasons, but the one thing they all had in common….they got rid of the “stuff” that lost its’ value on the way.
            Bottom line….need what you have and have what you need…and know how to make what you need when the time comes….

            • PO'd Patriot

              Yes and they left Husbands, wives and children as well as possessions on the side of the trail.

              “Dying is easy. Its the livin’ that’s hard”. Outlaw Josey Wales

          • Rick:)

            Solar Powered Vibrator.. I’ll be rich… Right there with Zucker and Sergy.

        • Barn Cat

          People aren’t going to want flashlights. They’re going to want food and 95% of Americans won’t have it. If you still want to barter, get cans of Campbell’s Soup or Dinty Moore Beef Stew.

      12. dsd1

        um yes they CAN confiscate gold – google Executive Order 6102 if you need a refresher

        and even if they did not confiscate it, they can just tax you out of it – look at bitcoin – it’s nearly impossible to use it now as a currency.

        all they have to do is tax the sale, transfer etc of any gold at some stupid rate like 75% (to be fair you know they won’t tax it all – or maybe they will…) and then it will be nearly worthless.

        google the many stories about people finding gold that was hidden back in the days of the first confiscation and the government of today going after it for “back taxes” and saying things like it was illegal then when hidden so it is STILL illegal now and the US Government owns it.

        it would be easy with the obama administration constant bleating of the “war on the rich” why all those on welfare and those 50+ million more illegal immigrants will gladly vote in that law, after all THEY won’t have any gold to lose and if the “guberment” will give them some more freebies for it, then the law is as good as passed.

        • admin

          Technically, yes, they can issue a “confiscation order” but actually taking it is a whole different matter…

          But I certainly see your point.

          • Kulafarmer

            The other part of that is the fact that this isnt 1930s USA
            People dont trust the government for the most part,

          • Barn Cat

            I expect the government to eventually go to a gold backed dollar. They’ll use that dollar to buy gold from American citizens for use in international trade.

        • Northern Reb

          When the SHTF there will not be a much of a government to do any taxing. Also we will be doing more bartering than buying.
          Silver and gold will give up a edge over any type of government issued script, if there is any issued at all.
          You don’t buy gold or silver any were there is a record of the transaction thats the way I do it and thats the same way I buy my bullets.
          The less Big Brother knows the better I like it.
          This way you don’t have to pay taxes on it if they don’t know you have it.
          N.R. N.S. N.REB

        • Kulafarmer

          They cant tax what they cant touch, they can try but itll be like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum and NOBODY but a few idiots will pay attention to them, they bleed too and body armor is only so effective.

        • sixpack

          “all they have to do is tax the sale, transfer etc of any gold”

          Let ’em try to tax the gold coin I just gave Farmer Joe for some melons…

      13. ready down under

        Gold has that intangible “something” that nothing else has. If you ever need to buy your way out of a sticky spot a lump of gold has always had a “power” that notes never had.

        I suggest what I have done (if you can afford it) is 5 x one ounce ingots that were carefully wrapped and stored in a tiny sealed container and buried in a cache where only me and my 2 kids know the location.

        I still have a bit of silver too, but my gold is my “last resort” security blanket.


        • whyteflyte

          I really get tired of this “Commiefornia” talk. I can go out in my back yard and get GOLD. You all can eat your hearts out. East California is pretty conservative. All the queers and liberal judges control the coast. A lot of attention should be paid to the progressive judges. They cause all the problems.

      14. Northern Reb

        You are right about junk coins pre-64. You have to remember that they are 90% pure silver. This would be one of the best type of coins to have after the SHTF, becuase people will be able to relate to them as a form of U.S. currency.
        So If an troy ounce of silver is selling for $100 a silver dollar (not a morgan dollar they are only 75% pure)would be worth $90 a piece.

        Were your Rounds and afew more coins are 99% pure and are 12 grams, one troy ounce.
        Were U.S. eagles are 99% pure silver at 16 grams one U.S. ounce. An Eagle would be worth $125 a piece
        I know that some other coins are 99% pure but I’m not sure if they are troy oz. 12grams or U.S. oz 16 grams

        N.R. N.S. N.REB

        • slingshot

          Northern Reb.

          One thousand dollars face value Morgan or Peace dollars is about 720 ounces of silver. Accounting for wear.

          • arco

            Sure about that? I thought a morgan or peace was .77oz (that’s troy oz.) A troy oz is 31.1 grams as opposed to 28.4 for a metric or standard unit. Also 12 troy oz. make a troy pound as opposed to 16oz in a standard pound.

            • Northern Reb

              You are correct about the % of silver in the Morgan coin.
              I rounded it off to 75% it makes it easier to firure out.
              N.R N.S N.REB

            • Northern Reb

              I was wrong I got my numbers mixed up.
              You are correct on the wieght 31.1 grams per troy oz. and 28.35 for standard/U.S. oz.
              OPPSS It’s been a long day!:-)
              Thanks for the correction .
              N.R N.S N.REB

          • Smokey

            Should be 773.4 troy ounces. You account for wear by weighing the coins, as many at a time as the scale will handle, then multiply total weight by fineness. US silver dollars are .900 fine, your 90%. Most dollar hoards are a combination of worn, extra fine, and near mint state coins, so don’t let anyone buy your silver dollars at some blanket percentage for wear, especially one that’s 50 ounces out of a thousand, or based on weights of the minor coins.

            All pre-Kennedy 20th-century US silver is .900 fine, and the weights are not quite proportionate to the denomination. So 2,000 half dollars is not the same as 1,000 silver dollars, but is equivalent to 10,000 silver dimes or 4,000 silver quarters. Someone wants to account for wear when buying or accepting your junk silver coins, just weigh them, and multiply by .900 for the number of Troy ounces. This is why most folks buy and sell by face value, or number of coins, it’s simpler and quicker, and is certainly going to have to be the standard practice when US silver coins become the media of trade after SHTF, unless you want to empower a Bureau of Weights and Measures to check every scale in use.

            Dimes : 720.3 ounces per 10,000 (0.0723 each)
            Quarters : 720.3 ounces per 4,000 (0.1808 each)
            Halves : 720.3 ounces per 2,000 (0.3617 each)
            Dollars : 773.4 ounces per 1,000 (0.7734 each)

            • Sebastion T.

              Here is the cheat sheet I use:

              – 1 troy ounce = 31.1034768 grams or 2.75 more metal than standard ounce
              – 1 ounce = 28.3495231 grams
              – bible shekel = 0.497 ounces/14.1g
              – Morgan Dollar 1878-1921 (90%) .7735 oz of silver 38.1 mm in dia.
              – Ben Franklin Half Dollar 1948-1963 (90%) .3617 oz of silver
              – Kennedy Half Dollar 1965-1970 (40%) .1479 oz of silver
              – Washington Quarter 1962-1964 (90%) .1808 oz of silver
              – Roosevelt Dime 1946-1964 (90%) .0723 oz of silver

              US Silver Eagle one ounce 31.103 gms Diameter 1.598″ Thickness 0.117″
              Diameter 40.60mm Thickness 2.98 mm
              – 1966 Francisco Franco Spanish 100 pesetas, 0.4887 troy oz of silver
              19 grams/80% silver, 34mm diameter
              – 1 troy ounce coins – and others
              1982 Mexican Silver Libertad 40mm
              1983 Chinese Silver Panda 39mm
              1988 Canadian Silver Maple Leaf 38mm
              1990 Australian Silver Kookaburra
              1993 Australian Silver Kangaroo 40mm
              – Austrian Silver Philharmonic 37mm
              – private mint “rounds” 39mm

          • Northern Reb

            If you had one thousand Walking Liberties dollars
            at $20 an oz for 90% pure silver = $19,000
            If you had one thousand Morgan or peace dollars
            at $20 an oz for 75% pure silver = $15,000
            No matter how you look at it, it one nice chunk of change.
            Sure as he!! not the type of change Obamma is talking abput all the time.
            N.R. N.S. N.REB

        • aljamo

          Northern Reb… Morgan and Peace silver dollars are 90 percent silver. The weight in silver is .773 oz. in each coin.

        • Mountain Trekker

          If anyone finds Silver Dollars selling strictly for their silver content, please let me know. I’ll take all I can get. Trekker Out.

          • arco

            My guy sells by silver content, but his premiums are a little steeper than some of the big on-line retailers. i.e peace dollars go for about $17.50, (when I can get them) but I can get a roll of quarters for about $155 and dimes for less than $80.

            I pay about 50 cents more per SE than most places, but like I said, no paper trail.

          • Barn Cat

            You can buy one ounce silver Canadian Maple Leafs that are 99.99% pure silver.

            • Smokey

              Maple Leaves are the best deal going in silver bullion coins, .9999 fine and the premium is usually less than the US Liberties.

          • Smokey

            Same here. Haven’t seen a dog Morgan for under $30 in some time.

      15. RickInOregon

        Off topic:

        Just got back from a forage at a local park. Picked some wood sorrel and garlic mustard and we will be having it with supper tonight. The garlic mustard is a powerhouse of goodness that’s good for you and wood sorrel is one of the best sources for iron, it has three times the amount than cultivated spinach. Both are high in vitamin C and omega 3. We also found some fiddle head ferns but didn’t pick any, they wouldn’t go with what’s on tonights menu, maybe tomorrow. There was also lots of nettles growing but again they were not on tonights menu.

        Every year I try to learn at least one local wild eatable plant and a few locations where I can find it. I wish I had started this many years ago but for me it’s only been a few years and I haven’t even scratched the surface of what’s available.

      16. Educated Sinner

        I believe in not putting all of my eggs into one basket. So we have PM’s, U.S., Canadian, and Swiss cash. Also a good amount of motor oil, booze, Fish Meds, Mountain House #10 cans, nails, screws, timber, lots of canning jars/lids.

        We both have medical skills, can hunt, fish, and grow a garden.

        Too bad I lost all of my guns and ammo in a tragic home break in, Dang it all!

        • Warchild Dammit

          Sinner,sorry to hear that,perhaps when times get tough you will come across that lowly individual and get your property back!

        • Educated Sinner

          Off topic I guess, but to my mind to most likely SHTF scenario is WW3, Russia & China vs. NATO, maybe some Muslim Nations thrown in as well.

          The Russians in power now, keep their people ginned up by blaming all of their troubles on the U.S.

          The Chinese have openly stated that they see a war with the U.S. over natural resources coming in this century.

          Washington needs something to take the mind of the average citizen off how lousy things are getting in this country, so they just might start one as well.

          Our Politicians are just as big scum bags as anybody else’s, and war’s brings out the patriot in most people.
          It’s a matter of control and power, plus it keeps the young men from civil war back home.

          • sixpack

            Unfortunately, the U.S. earned some of that blame…

          • sixpack

            “The Chinese have openly stated that they see a war with the U.S. over natural resources coming in this century. ”

            Unfortunately, according to this article


            you might be right about that part…If our politicians won’t give them our resources, then they’ll just have to come and get them—

            • sixpack

              I SAY “COME AND TAKE IT” CHINA.

        • Smokey

          Make sure your Swiss banknotes are still valid, some are legal tender, the next two older series are not legal tender but can be exchanged at a Swiss bank, and the older series are valueless except to a collector.

        • Barn Cat

          You can use wasp spray as a weapon. You could buy a high powered slingshot on eBay and buy taconite (iron ore) pellets for ammo.

        • Mountain Trekker

          ES good story, I’ve heard that alot. Guess you reported that thieft to the police. TPTB may check that out when they come a calling. Next best story, is how I don’t stockup on ammo, I’ll just take it off their dead body. I sure hope that one works out for whoever decides to try it. I guess a poor excuse is better than none. Trekker Out. Si vis pacem, para bellum!

      17. Kevin2

        A friends wife from Belarus was in her 20s when the USSR fell apart. According to her she ate beets and potatoes for a year. Gold was the one currency that worked (along with very rare US dollars) when their currency for all intent and purpose failed.

        If US dollars take a crap it looks like gold is the default medium of exchange. I’m sure diamonds may work too as Oscar Schindler reminded the SS Officer in the movie, Schindler’s List; “In these times there may be a need for portable wealth”.

        Obviously one needs food and all the other necessities and a means to protect them however you can only store and secure so much. Perishables have a shelf life; Gold does not.

        Registered Wealth such as real estate (as in farm land) are valuable as long as the concept of the Rule Of Law and private property remain. If one expects to keep their property then one should expect gold to retain a high value.

        Regardless what you do keep your mouth shut about it.

        • wrong

          Diamonds are not worth a thing except to a woman. My wife works in a jewelry store that sells pm’s and also buys jewelry from the sheeple. People bring in rings all the time because they think the diamonds are worth something. They buy the rings only for the gold or silver. They either give the diamonds back or save them for a year to sell to some place that crunches them up for blades and such. Diamonds are like new cars. Soon as your off the property they drop in value in a huge way.

      18. European American

        Can’t “really” eat it, but you can definitely drink it…


      19. clyde

        Did you notice all of that lush greenery around them and they had water, but were out of food ???

        All of those elderly women sitting around bitching about the government not doing enough to help them. Remind you of a group of people on this side of the big pond ?

        Also they needed 3 grams of gold to eat for one day ?? That would be over $ 100 to eat for a day ?? Somebody is making a killing off of those people.

        • Smokey

          No kidding, I’ll bet the gold buyer at the field there is giving them a day’s worth of corn meal mush and a little salt and some greens, for that 3 grams in gold.

        • sixpack

          That was (.3), point 3 grams per day, wasn’t it?

      20. MassRon

        Who says Gold is confiscation proof? FDR id confiscate gold in the 30’s.
        So, it can happen again.

        • Barn Cat

          People won’t be so willing to let the government confiscate their gold this time around. Hopefully nobody here has their metals in a safety deposit box at a bank.

      21. AgDr

        Some junk Ag, some Ag Eagles or Maple Leafs, enough to keep you liquid in the market place until you think it will stabilize. Then, the rest in Gold; some smaller pieces(1/10oz for trade) others larger (1oz for compact carry). If I remember correctly Maple Leafs are 99.99% pure, so they could substituted for wire when making Colloidal Silver.

        • AgDr

          Not what I actually have, but a suggestion based on my preference of balance.

      22. Ted Kennedy

        Gold is simple, it just sits there.

        If you can keep it.

        • sixpack

          It certainly doesn’t use any fuel, electricity, water or food, and it needs no heat or air conditioning…sounds like a cheap date to me.

      23. Kulafarmer

        Off topic
        Real good read over at JW Rawles website regarding particulars of the Bundy situation.

      24. Feisty Old Broad

        “If you cannot see the obvious, you will not survive the inevitable”


      25. Kulafarmer

        Heres some info for you

        HJL Replies: We have received a number of responses similar to this one, and at first glance they seem to have a valid point. Mr. Bundy isn’t paying his fees and shouldn’t be allowed to graze. The point being missed is one called “prior usage rights”. Most people in states on either coast generally have a very limited knowledge, because the Federal government “owns” very little land within those state boundaries. In the Southwest, though, the issue is often forefront because resources can be so scarce. The issue generally comes up regarding water rights due to the scarcity of water, but land and mineral rights also occasionally occur. This case falls under that category. As stated in my notes today, the Bundy’s had prior usage of the land (and possibly prior usage to the formation of the state of Nevada). This means that the BLM’s options according to long standing tradition and case law are pretty limited. By bringing the Desert Tortoise into the mix, it is unclear whether that is simply a ploy by the federal government to pre-empt those usage rights and declare eminent domain or if it is a real problem. It is even unclear if the federal government has any standing on owning land in these states, as there is a clear trail suggesting that the federal government was supposed to turn over that land to the states upon them becoming states. There is no cut-and-dried explanation for any of the BLM’s actions, and there is clear precedence on Mr. Bundy’s actions. In any case, the federal government’s heavy-handed tactics should be reigned in.

        • sixpack

          I wonder how much Harry Reid payed to get the legal research done, to look for a way to steal this property. I wonder how much it cost to buy the previous judge, and how much it will take to buy the next judge. The county and state officials were probably bought pretty cheap, and the sheriff probably just got an MRAP and some flak jackets.

          Everybody wins, but the families who get crushed…and the animals involved…and we dare to accuse other countries of having corrupt govts.

          • sixpack

            I guess we just need to keep the family alive long enough to get to court. If not, then it’s game over.

            • Kulafarmer

              If ANYTHING happens to that family or ANYONE ELSE at that site who supports them,
              It needs to come out of feds 100fold, i am pretty sure theres a few thousand or more folks who feel the same way.
              These political pigs like Reid need to be eradicated,

              • sixpack

                I couldn’t agree more.

            • Tor Munkov

              What about Justina Pelletier’s family and their daughter being held prisoner at Harvard Medical School’s Boston Children’s Hospital?

              The way they’re pushing the envelope everywhere, and Obamacare threatening our families, might it be time to start reclaiming the commons the way the people of Ukraine did?

              Ukraine Uprising Results: (wikipedia:EuroMaidan)

              Impeachment of President
              Return to 2004 constitution
              Gerald Ford Type is Acting President
              Early presidential election being held
              Cancellation of laws restricting civil liberties
              Former opposition leader freed from jail
              Ongoing occupation of local governments
              Banning of President’s Party by local governments under control of activists
              Resignation of Head of Senate
              Amnesty to protesters
              Worsening of the economic situation, including credit downgrading by American credit agencies
              Crimean crisis and invasion by Russia
              Cabinet resumed preparations for signing EU treaty

        • durango kidd

          KF: I am aware of prior usage (historical) rights for water, but no expert by any means in Water Law. Bundy stopped paying grazing fees in 1993. That fact is not in dispute by Bundy. Bundy doesn’t own the land either, and that fact is not in dispute by Bundy.

          While the Desert Tortoise issue may be a pretext by the NWO PTB, lets remember that Bundy stopped paying grazing fees in 1993, while the Ninja Turtle issue did not surface until 1998, so the issue is clearly grazing fee payment.

          When Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees he abandoned the lease for forage and BLM is under no obligation to re-lease to Bundy should he be willing to pay all back fees.

          Whether the abandonment of his grazing lease negates his water rights on that portion of Federal land I cannot say; and it doesn’t matter. If he cannot legally graze his herd on the land, how does his herd drink that water? From what I know about the water rights that typically run with the land; his ownership of the water rights would flow from surface rights, ie a stream or river passing through that federal land. In which case he can still “draw” that water from the stream.

          He might have a claim for damages against the Government for “taking” his water rights; or effectively denying him access to that water use, or not, by failing to lease the grazing rights to him. But he seems unwilling to pay for grazing rights. It’s hard to use the water if you cannot use the forage because you refuse to pay grazing fees. 🙁

      26. Be informed

        @ EVERYONE. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT IS GOING TO THE BUNDY RANCH, BUNKERVILLE, NEVADA IN THE NEAR FUTURE OR KNOWS SOMEONE THAT IS? It would be very interesting to get some firsthand reports of what is happening there.

        • Tor Munkov

          I live 80 miles from there. Not much of a gunslinger, signwaver, but I am a drinker. If I find a watering hole nearby, and then later swerve over there, what should I look for? Just do the usual Genchi Genbutsu, as Toyota puts it?

      27. White Fox

        There are some extreme situations where gold might be worthless and will slow you down, a mega SHTF like Cormac McCarthy’s The Road. Where the only valuables will be guns, ammo, food, and fuel. Gold is more portable but it’s good to have some silver (.999) too to make colloidal silver with 9V batteries.

      28. Feisty Old Broad

        Some will take the “high road” but I shall choose the “low road”….and will survive to assist those who are in need….


      29. Socrates

        It would be good to have many items for barter, not just gold and silver. We all know what Ezekiel 7:19 says about PM’s though don’t we?

        They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumbling block of their iniquity.

        If I stocked PM’s it would have to be silver due to it’s medical properties, something gold simply cannot do, ever. Silver is also the original natural anti-viral metal, and the ancient Phoenicians used it in silver vessels to store water, vinegar and wines. Gold is ‘bling’ and looks pretty but simply cannot compete with the many qualities of silver.

        Lest we forget the government already seized gold back in 1933 by executive order of then president FDR.

        Executive Order 6102 is a United States presidential executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by President Franklin D. Roosevelt “forbidding the Hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States”. The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation.

        Executive Order 6102 required all persons to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, all but a small amount of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates owned by them to the Federal Reserve, in exchange for $20.67 (equivalent to $376.58 today per troy ounce. Under the Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917, as amended by the recently passed Emergency Banking Act of March 9, 1933, violation of the order was punishable by fine up to $10,000 (equivalent to $182,185 today or up to ten years in prison, or both. Most citizens who owned large amounts of gold had it transferred to countries such as Switzerland.

        Now why do you think that this July 1st, the FACTA act goes into full effect? The government KNOWS that people hoard in offshore accounts any wealth they wish to hide. Heck, the government does it as well, but we know how that works.

        There will be nowhere to hide anything offshore any longer.

        The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) is a United States statute that requires United States persons, including individuals who live outside the United States, to report their financial accounts held outside of the United States, and requires foreign financial institutions to report to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) about their American clients. Congress enacted FATCA to make it more difficult for U.S. taxpayers to conceal assets held in offshore accounts and shell corporations and to recoup federal tax revenues. The FATCA is a portion of the 2010 Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act.

        History repeats itself, and will again…soon.

        • twilight

          “cast their silver in the streets”

          that’s what I thought until a dear friend clarified this:

          Eze 7:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
          Eze 7:2 Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land [of israel].
          Eze 7:3 Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee [israel], and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee [israel] all thine abominations.

          Eze 7:18 … shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads.
          Eze 7:19 They [israel] shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: …

          • sixpack

            So, what’s really being said is that, gold won’t do you any good when you’re DEAD…I knew that.

            • twilight

              they [isreal] will cast their silver in the streets during the day of the wrath which occurs at the end of the tribulation (a minimum of 7 years from now.)

              1. it doesn’t apply to you (because you are not appointed unto wrath) and
              2. it won’t happen any time soon.

              a.) the “day” of wrath is more than a single 24 hour period.
              b.) 1 Thes 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

              • sixpack


        • sixpack

          Maybe PMs won’t be worth anything the day The Lord comes, but until then, it isn’t a bad idea to have some.

          • Feisty Old Broad

            I have food stored for a few months….but that is not my security….security for me is knowing that I can leave all personal/family items behind and take off on foot KNOWING that I will arrive at my destination….and knowing what I need to take with me. ALL of my family’s heritage will never be left behind…because I carry it within me….the THINGS matter not, the reasons these items were brought to this Nation and the memories behind these things can never be lost….because I KNOW it and can share it with others….such is as most knowledge shared….I guess I just want folks to be prepared to discard any preconceived ideas of what may be faced….and not to have a sense of false security because you have thousands of gallons of water and 25 years worth of foodstuffs….sorry to pop anyone’s bubble, but far more important to understand that you must be able to adapt to whatever comes your way…..far more important to understand how to be self-sufficient

      30. Anonymous 300

        I just got done listening to Clyde Lewis ~ Ground Zero
        tonight. Clyde told his audience the scene in Nevada is now being called, “Ground Zero.” Clyde Lewis also stated that there is now a “No Fly Zone” over the ranch.
        Clyde also said that “Cell Phones are No Longer Working.”
        My radio station only offers one hour of Clyde Lewis and Gr. Zero, but you can read what his show was about on the link below.

        • sixpack

          Where the hell do they get off cutting off everyone’s cell phone reception over this? This is already out of control…wwaaayyyy out of control. What does the phone carriers have to say about the interrupt of their service to their customers?

        • PKLauLau

          Yup and see the links above to two other ranchers they are doing this to RIGHT NOW….


      31. Be informed

        Precious metals matter a lot. MOST OF THE TIME. There are SHTF events that the ONLY items that matter at all is survival needs and excellent self defense. There are circumstances that precious metals you will not be able to trade anything for them. This means that YES you can’t eat gold and YES you WON’T be able to trade it. These are probably end of the world type scenarioes, but they definitely exist. I still say that one of the best barter items is common ammunition. The humble .22LR can mean dinner for someone. This may have the same or higher value than gold someday soon.

        Trading in the future must always be PRACTICAL. Hungry and desperate people are going to look with far more value antibiotics, salt, sugar, fresh clean water, toilet paper, FOOD, etc. probably a lot more with eyes open than shiny ONCE VALUABLE METAL. This is logic. I ask everyone this one. Which will fetch more after a mega SHTF event? One ounce of gold at about $1300 today, OR $1300 worth of .22LR bullets? I think the answer is all too apparent.

        • Prepared Pastor

          I have more than $1,300 worth of ammo and if America became uninhabitable today most of it would have to be left behind (buried) when we started our journey to South America. I certainly could not take my entire armory and may not be able to forage the parts I need long enough to expend said ammo anyway.

          When it came time to cross a border the guard may not need my caliber and if the price of admission is sex with my daughter or precious metals which would skyrocket with the accompanied currency collapse, then I’m going to wish I buried half as much ammo and had a gold coin in my pocket.

          Americans are arrogant to think what has already happened elsewhere can never happened here. In all the biographies I’ve read by people who fled persecution not once did they purchase their freedom by trading ammo.

          Over 3 Million refugees have left Syria and another 6.5 are displaced in their own country. TSHTF for sure, but despite being in the middle of a civil war I do not believe for a minute you will find one of them who would prefer a pocket full of 22LR over a single ounce of gold.

          • eppe

            PP, I believe we need both, but what do you think of the first of four blood moons? I have a feeling Israel will attack Iran, and start WW3. What are your thoughts???

          • sixpack

            Well PP, you could always PASS IT ON to those you leave behind…beats leaving it for some archaeologist to find later. Who knows what they’ll think about our ancient civilization, except maybe we weren’t too civilized.

        • River-Rat

          BI: I agree 22lr, and I might add 12ga. to that. I feel those are the 2 main own firearms.

      32. Cori

        How is gold confiscation proof? Executive Order 6102 signed in 1933 made it illegal to hoard gold. The order required all people to relinquish all but a small amount of gold by May 1, 1933. They did it in the past and there is nothing from stopping them from doing it again.

      33. sixhonestservingmen

        To see that which is in front of one’s nose requires a constant struggle
        ~ George Orwell

        We would do well to heed the words of Orwell. To take a look to see what it is that is in front of your nose, that gold, as a desperate last-resort for the bankers, is designed to prevent you from seeing, and through it, to learn to understand the true worth of gold as a tool for manipulation.

        Do people honestly think that the bankers would be so easily toppled, particularly when they hold the ‘vast’ majority of gold-holdings and have the means, in due course to confiscate the rest.

        Their system of intricate distributive channels is the means through which the gold that the common man holds is obtained. They clearly are not worried in the least, that their plans will come to naught with the very thing they want you to believe in.

        Why is that do you think?

        Below you will learn of the true value of gold –


        And this may provide reason enough to know why gold poses no threat to the bankers, and confirms confidence in your demise, having no awareness and eternal vigilance to it –


        Taking the whole, the real issues and solutions can be found here –


        Wake up people, stop being led –

        Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding
        ~ Ezra Pound

        I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives
        ~ Leo Tolstoy

      34. Mike

        You people are all apart of the tin-foil hat brigade. To think France and Om booboo won’t save use is insane. I think this week I can afford 1/10 troy oz. gold and 2 troy oz. silver,not because of paranoid delusions but they just look pretty. Maybe next week “camping food”. Of course this is for camping not worry that fiat paper will not feed me. Need spare firearm parts – only because I could drop some. Delusions that the 2nd is under attack are just nuts. Wow pinto beans in 50# bag on sale. I just like beans. I,m not one of you nut cases. Gardening is finally starting to pay. No you wack jobs its just a hobbie. There will never be a food problem. Get a life will you? I hope the government readers of my e-mails feel good. I believe everything my politicos say. Have a really nice dream. Everything is all right.

        • PKLauLau

          LOL! I feel the same and I lOVE Obama and common core and a militarized police force and TORTOISES!!!!


          • PKLauLau

            Obviously sarc for you red thumbers


            • sixpack

              obviously. Even trolls aren’t THAT stupid—well, maybe a couple of them are…

      35. Tor Munkov

        Zimbabwe used to part of the UK Commonwealth. They were heavily penalized for daring to leave.

        The thing is, we all have a lot in common with these Zimbabwe gold miners. We have almost nothing in common with the Inner Party fat cats and bankers.

        They metaphorically scoop us up into their giant melting pots(nations) by the millions, and see who pans out for them.

        They set aside and monitor the ones they find valuable to tax. These are their golden nations of the first world.

        They cast aside the rest on the ground as worthless, leaving them to fend for themselves if they’re lucky enough to survive perpetual wars, currency devaluations, and mass killings disguised as epidemics and disasters.

      36. Dan

        Gold is “confiscation proof”……Yeah right….what a maroon. FDR “confiscated” better than 80% of ALL the gold in private hands back in the 30’s with nothing more than a signed piece of paper. They didn’t even have to go door to door to get it. It’s happened before so only an idiot would think it couldn’t happen again.

      37. Leslie Anne

        “If you need cooking oil you have to exchange it for gold. If you need soap you have to exchange it for gold. Everything is gold, gold, gold…
        For everything they want gold…
        Residents, Zimbabwe”

        Stockpiling while times are good is easier and more cost effective than trading for gold when times are bad.

        • sixpack

          I saw this video and got the urge to take a pie tin to the nearest river…but I successfully fought off the urge…for now.

          I could spend my days playing in the mud, if there was something to show for it. Zimbabwe can’t be the only dirt with gold dust in it…

      38. Kulafarmer

        and another one

        • PKLauLau

          Kula: This is what I have been posting about here all morning….plus there is another one going on….see above posts…


        • sixpack

          Forgive this for being so long, Mac, but I have visited the pages at the end of each link in this comment. I left out the Bundy pages for the sake of space. This is only about 15 minutes of research. There is much more.

          Land grab in New Mexico

          Land grab in Utah

          Land grabs in Florida

          Land grab protests in Nebraska and South Dakota

          Land grabbers in congress

          Land grab in Montana

          Land grabs of Obama Admin

          Land grab in Texas

          Land grab in Wyoming (in court now)

          other info—
          Arizona 72,688,000 acres with federal seizure of 30,190,227 acres or 41.5-percent
          of the land area. Leads the nation in copper production and non-fuel mineral

          California 100,206,720 acres with federal seizure of 44,689,648 acres or
          44.7-percent of the land area. California has vast untapped gold reserves and mercury

          Colorado 66,485,760 acres with federal seizure of 23,904,445 acres or 36-percent of
          the land area. Colorado produces 60-percent of the worlds supply of molybdenum
          and contains oil shale that contains five times more oil than all the worlds oil reserves
          combined. Also has considerable gold and silver reserves.

          Montana 93,271,040 acres with federal seizure of 25,688,895 acres or 27.5-percent
          of the land area. Montana is rich in gold, silver and vast, shallow coal deposits along
          with millions of acres of timber and grazing land.

          New Mexico 77,766,400 acres with federal seizure of 26,325,860 or 34-percent
          of the land area. New Mexico leads the nation in the production of potash and in the
          production of dry ice from carbon dioxide wells.

          Oregon 61,598,720 acres with federal seizure of 31,930,738 acres or 52-percent of
          the land area. Oregon leads the nation in reserves of standing timber, timber
          production, plywood production, nickel production and the greatest profusion of agates
          for gemstones.

          Texas 168,217,600 acres with federal seizure of 2,346,012 acres or 1.4-percent of the
          land area. (The land seized by the federal government seems small, but is greater in
          area than the entire states of Delaware and Rhode Island). Texas leads the nation in
          helium production, sulphur production, petroleum refining, asphalt production, cotton
          production, and produces the most chemicals from seawater.

          Utah 52,696,960 acres with federal seizure of 33,258,253 or 63-percent of the
          land area. Utah leads the nation in the number of useful minerals found, and produces
          petroleum, coal and copper. Much of the federal holdings have been designated scenic

          Washington 42,693,760 acres with federal seizure of 10,272,658 acres or 27-percent
          of the land area. Washington provides 10-percent of the nation’s timber needs and
          30-percent of its hydroelectric power.

          Wyoming 62,343,040 acres with federal seizure of 30,206,194 acres or 48-percent of
          the land area. Wyoming holds the largest coal reserves in the nation and the
          country-side is dotted with oil wells.

          Sign a petition to Congress

          • PKLauLau

            Amazing work slingshot….good job!


            • PKLauLau

              Sorry, that was for sixpack!


      39. Be informed

        @ Prepared Pastor. Not once has there been a TRUE mega SHTF event on this planet in which precious metals or any form of money means absolutely nothing. In every event that you describe, money SOMEWHERE had value. This is a huge difference when you can one day have value and NOT have any worth. I said MOST situations this is true that gold and other precious metals DO have much value.

        What I was talking about is in which precious metals have the same value as a piece of lead, brass, tin, etc. as metal for some use like a belt buckle or something. YES, there are definitely situations in which precious metals will have no more vlaue than a piece of scrap metal. Envision a world like the movie, “The Road”. I don’t see how gold could have any value to anyone when food and other necessities are all that matters. YES, ammo in a world like this will have tremendous worth. Tribes of people are only going to be worried about survival and eating. Ammo will be in short supply and this means pricking off a rabbit, squirrel, or other small game as dinner or going hungry. A firearm is the best for hitting a fast moving animal.

        Remember I was talking about situations that are severe, you are talking about the status quo of some form of money still being in use. Even in a situation like the movie “The Day After”, do you honestly think that precious metals are going to have much worth to anyone after a massive nuclear exchange? Do you think that someone that is slowly dying from radiation sickness is going to care at all about shiny metals? Do you think that anyone that is desperately hungry is going to trade you something for gold or other precious metal when their rifle is empty and their family needs wild game for food?

        Forgetting about ammo, let’s talk other necessities. Which is going to have more value, gold or something like salt to someone that needs salt to live. Animals such as pocupines will lick anti-freeze of vechicles to get needed salt. People need salt to stay alive and will barter for it first before anything else if their bodies are depleted of salt. Precious metals have their place granted, USUALLY. Precious metals can have absolutely no value, other than silver for healing purposes, in some SHTF events. Barter can and likely will be ONLY for the necessities of life someday and other items should ALWAYS be considered along with precious metals for trade.

        • Mich

          Well said, Be informed.

          I have a friend who is a large bullion dealer

          that agrees with everything you just spoke of.

          He says even if gold could be eaten, you would

          still need a frying pan to cook it with. Preps

          first and foremost, then gold, so says he.

        • sixpack

          The only place where gold has no value, is apparently on Pandora…The Navi’i don’t use it. Everywhere else it has value.

        • PKLauLau

          Uh, that’s alarming…

          Good catch BI.


      40. JohnFornaro

        It’s good to know that if you have gold coins, that nobody could ever, ever, ever, confiscate them from you. sheesh.

      41. DirtyGreek

        I have pm’s so dont get me wrong when I say this. There are 7 billion people on this planet,my focus is the western world because this is where i live. Here in north America,we rely on ‘just in time’ or ‘load to load delivery’ of just about everything. Whether it be a power outage or a virus or nuke plants exploding or a collapse of some sort(i can go on forever with 100 scenarios),gold aint gonna mean shit to the common man. Most people I know have no food in their kitchen,no cash on hand(atm and credit cards),no storage of fuel,no water but from the tap,etc. etc.
        The people you see every day will become your enemy. Desperation will be the biggest challenge to face. I anticipate something close the movie ‘The road’ to happen,simply because of the world we live in today. An ounce of gold to an Indian or Russian or African in a post SHTF scenario WILL have more value than an American who is living in a city or lives in a cold climate where food is shipped in.
        Gold will be meaningless to someone who all their lives expects food at the grocery store,gas at the gas station,meds at the pharmacy,hospitals open 24/7,media and info at your fingertips,electricity at the flick of a button,etc.etc.
        There will be a purging in the western world,depopulation of sorts as humans lose their humanity. The only thing I see promising is to let them consume/kill each other and wait it out. Eventually whoever is left will be able to survive with whatever resources mother nature can sustain but gold will be of little use if truly TSHTF.

        • sixpack

          “Gold will be meaningless to someone who all their lives expects food at the grocery store” —no, it won’t, because even they would recognize, that gold might be useful to trade for some food somewhere…as would be their wedding rings, etc…Sorry, but just because lucky mart won’t take it for peanut butter, doesn’t mean that somebody else won’t.

      42. Kulafarmer

        Off topic,
        Notice how there are few articles or links to the Bundy situation that are current,
        Cell towers are down, no fly zone, a friend in LasVegas said they lost radio contact with their group, stay alert folks.
        The feds can NOT be allowed to get away with any more of this crap, we stand now or get ok with kneeling for these pukes.

        • This Texan Has Had Enough

          Amen Kula! There is little information available and all cowards want to act in private.

          • Kulafarmer

            Its almost like google is scrubbing the links, not surprising, the way i can tell is normally searching on my phone the search automaticly comes up with just a few letters entered, anything with bundy in it disappears and has to be completely entered, then all the links that come up are old,

            • Pissed Off Granny

              Tuned in to the Glen Beck program this morning just to see what their “spin” on the Bundy standoff is.

              No surprise. Pat and Stu seemed unusually nervous about the subject; kept saying they didn’t like the income tax law either; but a law is a law and must be obeyed until someone can take their greviences to court and get the law changed.

              Now most of us understand that there is a FAT CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING with all the crooked judges and courts that have been bought and paid for by our feral government.

              Are you buying that Pat and Stu dont know that? Where is Beck at this moment? He is supposed to be leading the charge against government control. Where oh where are you Beck?

              If there was ever a time to question Beck’s true stand on freedom and America it is now. Listen closely to what so called conservative MSM talking heads have to say about what is happening in Nevada. If they do not dig deeper to find out what the real reasons are for BLM and the government out at the Bundy ranch; then I propose that we wake up to the fact they are just shills; placed in their positions to dampen down patriots participation in ending the takeover of America.

              • PKLauLau

                PoffG: I was really hoping that GB had a turn around after the “watch out for fema camps,” then stating “there are NO fema camps.”

                I will never watch him again….


                • PKLauLau


            • sixpack

              Yes, they ARE scrubbing the links. Screen shots say it is so. They are trying to hide this from the public, and these land grabs are NATIONWIDE, not just in Nevada. So far, Bundy is THE ONLY ONE WHO MADE A BIG ENOUGH PUBLIC STINK ABOUT IT.

        • Nimrod Hunter

          The case for getting a Ham license…and not just a Technician class, but a General class license so you can do various kinds of distance work on HF bands.

      43. Poon Tang

        Harry Reid and the Chinese. Chinese energy company wants to put wind farm on the ranch. Why is Harry Reid still breathing American oxygen?

        • Nimrod Hunter

          Poon Tang,
          Most Mormons who get into politics have their hearts more-or-less in the right place: Romney, Mike Lee, Jon Huntsman, and Orrin Hatch come to mind.

          What went wrong with Harry Reid!!! Did somebody hit him in the head with an eight-pound maul, or is he just eat up with the dumb-ass?

      44. River-Rat

        Looks like the LIBERTY TREE just may be watered by Memorial Day!
        God be with us.

        NOMI should we give!!!!

      45. Southern Gal

        Thank you LORD, the BLM is leaving the Bundy ranch!

        • This Texan Has Had Enough

          I just saw that teased on Fox News, southern gal. I fear they are just leaving to form another evil plan. But it is good news that today is not the day the Republic stands or falls.

          • Southern Gal

            I agree…they are re-grouping…you know that they are not going to let this go 🙁

            We won a battle today but not the war…

            • PKLauLau

              Really?? Red thumbs for above comments….amazing…

              • sixpack

                some people red thumb everything.

              • Feisty Old Broad

                If you comment, expect some thumbs down….just the nature of some people. Do not take it personally….

      46. Trailer Park Investor

        How many people have even seen a Kugerand (hell I can’t even spell it). So you will take a hit with the exchange on that simply because the person you are bartering with don’t know for sure it’s gold and pure gold.
        Buy storable supplies, food, water filers (good ones) batteries, first aid kits, antibiotics, land you can live on and grow your own food etc.
        IF you have money left over to buy gold you need to buy SILVER in small denominations like “Junk Silver Dimes” as EVERYONE knows they are silver 1964 and older, they are NEVER faked. Easy to store and even IF silver were to go to $10,000 an ounce it would be much easier to barter for something you needed with a silver dime than a silver dollar or a gold coin. Besides the change you got back from your barter just might be in worthless paper and you do not want that.
        Silver dimes 1964 and older is the way to go.

        • eppe

          TPI; I have a few Kuggerands, inherited from my father’s father, and it is not pure gold, it has some copper in it. That is what gives it it’s rose color…. But I know what you mean… I know my gold coins…

          The Krugerrand is 32.77 mm in diameter and 2.84 mm thick. The Krugerrand’s actual weight is 1.0909 troy ounces (33.93 g). It is minted from gold alloy that is 91.67% pure (22 karats), so the coin contains one troy ounce (31.1035 g) of gold. The remaining 8.33% of the coin’s weight (2.826 g) is copper (an alloy known historically as crown gold which has long been used for English gold sovereigns), which gives the Krugerrand a more orange appearance than silver-alloyed gold coins. Copper alloy coins are harder and more durable, so they can resist scratches and dents.

          Not being disrespectful, just stating the truth…

          • eppe

            Shoot, even I spelled it wrong…

      47. DirtyGreek

        HOT DAMN AMERIKANS! Y’all stick ta tha hot damn topic!!! This is about gold,not a stupid rich rancher! Proof that excessive fluoride and shitty merican beer consumption,coupled with shitty education system leads to attention deficient disorder!!! Sheesh man!!!!

        • Pissed Off Granny

          HotDamn DirtyGreek:

          Dont know about the rest of the folks here, but I am more interested in removing the forces that are strangling our freedoms than any article about owning metals.

          That “rich rancher” just may have provided us with a few more days of freedom. What have you done for America lately?

          • me

            Or Greece for that matter.

          • PKLauLau

            Amen POGranny

          • sixpack

            Thank you Granny.

        • This Texan Has Had Enough

          dirty greek-this it the important topic of the day and this is the current thread. So we shall post about it here. Feel free to go elsewhere for the information important to you.
          Oh, yeah! If I am holding my precious metals in my lap while I post does that make it better for you?

        • slingshot

          Dirty Greek.

          If you can not handle this chaos on this thread, how are you going to handle it when the real SHTF.

        • CWinOR

          Since we’re so stupid- maybe you should return to your homeland, where they’ve perfected the art of dumpster diving for sustenance.

          • sixpack


        • CWinOR

          Since I’m on the subject of annoying DG just cuz- I know that alot of folks here bash Alex Jones and his website as being an alarmist whack-job, however were it not for his site, and one of his reporters (Kit Daniels) breaking the story on Hairy Greed’s involvement in the Bundy Land Grab, we could be talking about the death of Americans in Bunkerville at the hand of the feds right now…instead of PM’s. IMHO, the only reason the feds have backed off is because of the blow-back of Reid and the dems being involved in a scandal where Americans died (again) at the hands of dems…before the mid-terms. We owe them thanks for that.

          • slingshot

            When evil is brought into the light, it retreats.

            • sixpack

              I think we need some more flood lights and extension cords…

          • Nimrod Hunter

            I am not totally against Alex and his media, but I have an ages-old interest in linguistics and it hasn’t escaped my notice that he often mixes hear-say with fact, in some stories he tells a “truth” that does not prove the primary point he started off trying to make, he makes errors of omission when “inconvenient” facts might derail an argument he is making, he depends on readers NOT to read and understand the source documents he cites, and he practices several classic logical fallacies (cherry-picking data, straw man attacks, equating correlations with causality, placing his conclusion in one or more premises, slippery slope arguments, etc.).

            There is value in the content Alex provides, if only to help me discover what issues the alternative media consider to be important at a given moment. His presentations are often interesting, and he keeps my internal “bullshit detector” calibrated by forcing me to carefully examine his material. Occasionally, he gets a real scoop, or he repeats a true story until it gets a wider audience and acquires a life of its own.

      48. Satori

        ummmm Greek
        some of us can walk and chew gum at THE SAME TIME !!!

        • sixpack

          Yeah, I walk fast when I chew fast. I walk slow when I chew slow…but if I have to add a piece while I’m walking, I stumble…LOL.

      49. slingshot

        The main reason why people do not like gold is the price. Too bad if you didn’t buy it when it was $254 and ounce. That’s right! And things were better then. Now if you did manage to put 8 ounces together at lets say $300per cost or $2400 you can go out and make a deal with a Quad dealer and buy one of those nice machines with trailer. Set up about $9000 at todays prices.
        Gun dealers work with gold and silver and you can make the metal work for you.

      50. CWinOR

        Gold is far from “confiscation proof”. there are only two ways to HELP avoid confiscation if they decide on it- have enough of the other important PM’s (brass and lead), and the will to use them to defend your yellow PM. If you can’t defend it- it won’t be yours for long.

      51. PKLauLau

        Live feed from AJ just cut out as a large group were going to set the cattle free after sheriff did NOT return after an hours time to disarm the BLM….plane flying overhead in no fly zone, then feed stops….

        Swat and police in mass force there and patriots have basically shut down the 15.


      52. PKLauLau

        Got this from comment on AJ site, still no live feed:

        The SWAT Team is being used now to create a barrier between the Patriots and the Cows! Stay tuned folks it could get ugly here! Please Share this!
        It is not over yet! While the BLM may be in fact pulling out it may be a bluff! Wait and see and demand that they bring the cattle back to the #BundyRanch stay vigilant my friends!
        Join our event to Support & Stand with the #BundyRanch & Invite Others
        Reply · · 3 · 14 minutes ago

        • sixpack

          Gee, I wonder what the BLM would’ve done, if Bundy had used a SWAT-like team to put up a barrier between HIS cows and the BLM? Probably declared an national emergency.

      53. eppe

        A good friend of mine is a preacher, he posts an email each day, here is todays input…
        Would everyone like to see a input each day???

        April 12, 2014

        John 12:12-19, “The next day the great crowd that had come to the festival heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord—the King of Israel!” Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it; as it is written: “Do not be afraid, daughter of Zion. Look, your king is coming, sitting on a donkey’s colt!” His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things had been written of him and had been done to him. So the crowd that had been with him when he called Lazarus out of the tomb and raised him from the dead continued to testify. It was also because they heard that he had performed this sign that the crowd went to meet him. The Pharisees then said to one another, “You see, you can do nothing. Look, the world has gone after him!”

        Almighty and loving God we give you all of our thanks and praise for this day. We raise our voices in loud praise for what you have done through Jesus, our Savior for without your love of us we would not know the gift of sacrificial love. Father give us the wisdom to realize that mortal earth is very temporary and the things that matter are things for eternal life. As the disciples were slow to understand so are we, please do not let us be so slow to realize, recognize and resolve to be what you desire in us – righteous and obedient. Father on this day we ask your healing mercies for all who fight the good fight against illness, ailment, injury and malady that lays them low. Give comfort to those who grow nearer to you as their life ebbs and to those whose loved ones have come to you. Father please help us mend the broken relationships in our land; return the wayward and apostate; and renew the hearts of those who’ve become lukewarm. Father those in our government have lost sight of serving the people of our once great nation and have become servants of oppression we beg your involvement to chase satan from our land; drive those to the dust who’ve allowed satan his reins in our land; scour the disobedient from the land; and rebuke those whose corruption putrefies the offices they hold. Hear our prayers for the men and women who serve in our military, police, fire, protective, emergency and medical services throughout our land and the world and their loved ones as they serve. Father we’re quickly approaching the celebration of Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem. Please help us to be more than palm wavers and song shouters; help us to become servants of your Holy Word Jesus who has sent us into the world to make disciples. Help us as your Holy Church to be bold in Jesus’ Name, uncomfortable with the status quo and restless to accomplish what you set before us. You have given us so much and it’s now up to us to complete the mission that you’ve set in front of us. Help us to be the Church that you desire – not of buildings and comfortable pews, but restless for Jesus Christ, anxious to see the world redeemed. We pray these things in Jesus mighty Name. Amen.

      54. PKLauLau

        URGENT UPDATE FROM #BUNDYRANCH! We are getting unconfirmed reports of Shots being FIRED!!! The Sheriff Lied & so did BLM! Cell phone and Internet is being interrupted by SWAT Team and Feds! Stay With us something is going down we are working on updates! Please Share This!

        It is about to get ugly! 100’s of Cops converging on Protest! Police vehicles en-route according to boots on the ground! Stay Tuned!
        The SWAT Team is being used now to create a barrier between the Patriots and the Cows! Stay tuned folks it could get ugly here! Please Share this!
        It is not over yet! While the BLM may be in fact pulling out it may be a bluff! Wait and see and demand that they bring the cattle back to the #BundyRanch stay vigilant my friends!
        Join our event to Support & Stand with the #BundyRanch & Invite Others

      55. PKLauLau

        MAC: put above post thru fast, please!!!!

        • admin

          Working to confirm

          • PKLauLau

            Thanks Mac….

      56. slingshot

        Fox News report. NO Mention of SHOTS FIRED.
        Time. 15:32 EST.

        • PKLauLau

          I have been watching this ALL day with my own eyes….FOX news report I just saw is not accurate. It is so biased and makes the Feds and BLM look like they are right and the people are wrong. The are twisting the information. They are incorrect.

          Feds are shouting over microphones that they will shoot anyone who approaches to free the cattle that the sheriff said could go free. Fox news didn’t tell that…or the fact that there is a stand off with thousands of protesters….IT IS NOT OVER…

          And the fact that they cut the feeds?????? But only FOX could broadcast out? Also friend who knows Sen Kelly Ward just told me that Sen Kelly Ward and Husband have arrived.


      57. R S Dorsey

        The headline is not misleading – it is absolutely wrong. Precious metals are NOT confiscation-proof. The author is assuming that if the feral government doesn’t know about your precious metals (all of them, not just gold) that they can’t be confiscated. All it takes for confiscation to take place is government knowledge gained by a child talking, a wife chatting, a conversation slip to a government informer (think Al Sharpton) or a gunpoint search by the same worthies that treated citizens in Boston to the same tactics that the Gestapo used in Nazi Germany. Legal? No, but when has that stopped the feral government from trying to make an example of someone to scare the rest into compliance? Or, ala Waco, just looking for an excuse to cremate men, women and children?

        Buy any PMs from a coin store or individual dealer? There is a receipt trail. If a confiscation order comes out, as in 1933, want to sell some PMs for cash to buy essentials? Any dealer in business will be unwilling to do so on penalty of law. Black market? Yesssss, but the feds already have the Amerikan people informing on each other and sting operations are a natural to enforce unnatural laws.

        Confiscation-proof? Not at all – unless you’re willing to defend what you have and Boston showed me that way too many Amerikans are unwilling or incapable of protecting their rights and property.

      58. thefulishbastid




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