The last several months have led to much confusion about the spread of the Ebola virus. Health officials and governments first denied that a serious threat existed and took no significant action to prevent its spread outside of West Africa. Then, after it had made it’s way to six different countries in the region, officials at the World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control started to panic. Apathy gave way to the real fear that we were facing a virus on a whole different scale than ever before.
At its current rate, some mathematical models show that the virus could infect anywhere from 20,000 to 100,000 by the end of the year, with over 4,000 people worldwide having been infected thus far. About 2,300 people, over 50% of those who have contracted it, have died.
Although the CDC released a recent report warning travelers that the virus could leave infectious material in the air, they were careful to say that it was not capable of spreading like other airborne viruses such as the common cold or flu.
But, with the way the virus has mutated and spread thus far, to say that the world’s top medical professionals and health officials are worried would be an understatement. Ebola has contacted more humans in the last 9 months than all previous outbreaks over the last 40 years combined. The concern, according to officials, is that it has had an opportunity to mutate and it could eventually go airborne.
What is not getting said publicly, despite briefings and discussions in the inner circles of the world’s public health agencies, is that we are in totally uncharted waters and that Mother Nature is the only force in charge of the crisis at this time.
There are two possible future chapters to this story that should keep us up at night.
The first possibility is that the Ebola virus spreads from West Africa to megacities in other regions of the developing world. This outbreak is very different from the 19 that have occurred in Africa over the past 40 years. It is much easier to control Ebola infections in isolated villages. But there has been a 300 percent increase in Africa’s population over the last four decades, much of it in large city slums. What happens when an infected person yet to become ill travels by plane to Lagos, Nairobi, Kinshasa or Mogadishu — or even Karachi, Jakarta, Mexico City or Dhaka?
The second possibility is one that virologists are loath to discuss openly but are definitely considering in private: that an Ebola virus could mutate to become transmissible through the air. You can now get Ebola only through direct contact with bodily fluids. But viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next.
The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice.
If certain mutations occurred, it would mean that just breathing would put one at risk of contracting Ebola.
Source: New York Times
In the event of the Ebola virus going airborne, research models show that it would quickly spread to all corners of the globe, infecting and killing millions.
U.S. hospitals are already preparing intake areas in case the virus hits home and a Congressional report released earlier this year says that Ebola detection kits and mobile response facilities have been deployed to National Guard units in all fifty states.
Thus, while the public remains oblivious to the seriousness of the threat, the government is rapidly ramping up preparations.
However, it may all be for naught should the current Ebola strains become transmissable by air. In such an event millions will contract the virus and the medical systems in the United States will be overwhelmed. Moreover, any experimental vaccines may be slow in coming due to massive global demand and limited supplies.
This leaves prevention on an individual scale the only viable strategy. Tess Pennington, author of The Prepper’s Blueprint, recommends that every family prepare a sick room and stock up on some essential pandemic preparedness supplies (not just for Ebola but any potential contagion outbreak in the future).
The very basic considerations in such a scenario should include methods of quarantining those suspected of having contracted an illness and protective equipment for those providing treatment. This might include WHO recommended N-100 respirator masks, Tyvek body suits, protective eyewear, gloves and shoe coverings.
Moreover, should such an event grip the world, millions of people would be in panic mode. Normal systems of commerce would likely break down, leaving many without food, clean water, and power. Thus, preparing for a scenario where the world as we know it literally comes to a screeching halt is also important to consider.
To be clear, Ebola has not yet achieved an airborne mutation in humans that we are aware of (though research has shown that it has been carried by breathing between animals). But, just because it has happened yet, doesn’t mean it can’t, especially considering the number of official cases reported so far.
In 1918 the Spanish flu killed as many as 50 million people, roughly 5% of the world’s population. Can you imagine the implications of an airborne Ebola virus with a mortality rate of 50% to 90%?
Lots of fear mongering. When they start hitting numbers that are even remotely close to other issues I’ll take notice. Until then it’s business as usual.
Its not the numbers now that are scarey, it is the rate at which it is increasing, exponentially.
Does anyone have a threshold number before they are seriously concerned?
Honestly at this point, I’m more concerned about the respiratory virus that is spreading across this country. Ebola is something to be watchful about but its not on my front burner.
GR
The problem with Ebola is that it is increasing at an exponentially faster rate. For example, if you have 2 fish, no problem. But if they produce 6 babies and those babies intermarry and each couple produces 6 fish, then in a short time you have 3×6 plus the original couple and the 6 offspring.
18+8=29 fish in your tank in a few weeks time. and if those fish procreate, then you have well.. do the math. The point is, an exponential increase is pretty scarey!!
Within a month’s time, your fish tank is scummy with dead fish because you ended up with a tank full of fish! they over ran the carrying capacity of the tank… like us humans on the earth…
And when you over run the carrying capacity, viruses, bacteria and other stuff tend to kill you off.. ;(
Another thing that makes Ebola so scarey is the effects– if you read what happens to the patient when they contract this disease, it will scare the pants off you– this ain’t no ordinary disease!!
To me the “scarey” thing is the way the WHO and CDC have been handling it so far. If it is such a dangerous virus why are the areas in question not quarantined? They have stated that they can not do that as people become afraid and will just leave the quarantine areas. Well then how and why did it work in the past centuries?
And when did the it become medially acceptable to ship dangerously infected patients around the world?! The normal procedure is to take the care to the area/patient and keep them away from others. None of this makes any sense. The message that I get from bringing Ebola infected aid workers here, is that they would die if left there. So what about all those people who have been left there?
By the way, there is a very good change EV-D68 is in Wash state.
Wash hands. Cover coughs.
What Ebola? Have you seen any photos of symptoms, bleeding through eyes or nose, blisters? Are you accepting what the MSM is telling you, or what your politicians are hawking? Ebola is an old virus that has not shown much evidence of rapid mutation. New viruses often mutate rapidly at first but that is detrimental to its staying power. You don’t kill off your host that quickly or new viruses are no longer being replicated.
I don’t mean to sound heartless but things like this are bound to happen. The upside is most folks who prepare won’t be near as affected as the folks to laugh at the people who prepare. Wash your hands,stay strong in your faith, and PRAY, PLAN, PREP, FORM TEAMS.
Really scary is the fact that one can still fly nonstop from Lagos to destinations in USA.
And that’s why this is a problem.
The first known outbreak of Ebola was in what was then known as Zaire in 1976. Even then, transportation was so limited into and out of that region that the virus was easily contained.
That is not the case today. You can be virtually anywhere in the world in 24 hours.
Ebola is a plane ride away.
Allen Heart: Oh my, you went and committed the #1 cardinal sin here on this site; you used your knowledge of biology and logic on a group of folks, most of who can’t even spell GED, let alone get one. There are a few smart ones, the ones that gave the ‘thumbs up’, but as you can readily see, the majority are stuck in ‘stupid’. ‘Science is of the devil’ because they can’t understand it, so they get mad and give the old ‘thumbs down’. Your brilliant insight is ‘pearls before swine’ for the majority of these cretins.
What was weird about the Spanish flu, from what I read. Is that it hit mostly 15-50 yr olds and they BLED out. Any ways I work in the Midwest and we have 700 employees 250 are from West Africa. They go back vacationing every couple years. No one is telling them NOT to fly home. Hello????? One just received a call this morning from a relative that her sister died in Africa.
The Spanish Flu was most dangerous to young healthy people because of the way the virus affected the immune system. The young were killed more by their own immune system response than the flu itself. (The flu created a cytokine storm which did the killing). With that flu, being healthy was dangerous.
I recently read a report by a virologist that stated the Spanish flu was manmade. I can not determine if that is true or not but the report stated that it was injected into US troops in the Midwest and carried overseas when they, later, went to WWI. The flu was an early bioweapon test and was designed to kill the healthy the report stated.
I only saw the report, not any lab tests etc to I am just passing along an odd bit of info.
Agenda 21 fellas.
Fish don’t marry.
Who would officiate? Where would they honeymoon?
The Atlantis hotel.
I am sure, now that you mentioned it, some f***ing lib will bitch, and the pope will have to start marring fish.
Thanks alot.
Who would “ofFISHiate”?
Get your fill of fishy puns here with “Wet Dream” by Kip Addotta:
ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l1GvDWtccI
The thing is, it could be on your front burner pretty quickly.
All it takes is for a few people who are infected, but not symptomatic, to get into the country.
The epidemic in West Africa didn’t start with 100 infected people. It started with 1. But has already been mentioned, its spread has become exponential there, and it has thwarted all efforts to contain it. In past outbreaks, containment was what allowed the virus to burn itself out and limit the number of victims.
They are beyond that now. It is probably not containable at this point. There are simply too many people who are infected to be able to control them and keep them isolated. They’ve run out of hospital beds…which means isolating individuals who are infected will be impossible. That means even more victims.
If this were to get into the wild here, the economic impact would be devastating. It’s bad enough in West Africa. But by comparison…..they have no economy.
Do some reading on the 1918 flu epidemic and the drastic measures that had to be taken. Magnify the effects of that and you’ll start to get the idea.
Ebola stew,
>>”Does anyone have a threshold number before they are seriously concerned?”<<
Yeah! Whatever the threshold number was a month ago!
There reportedly were 200 ebola deaths in one day recently. The first time they have 1,000 deaths I will be seriously concerned.
Barn Cat,
Man alive! 200 deaths in one day. Granted the flu kills more people each year, but death by exsanguination is a horrible way to die. No one seems to be in charge of the effort to contain the spread. Recently I read that taxis were a leading transmission vector in the affected African nations. I suspect it will get worse before it gets better.
“The flu kills more people”
Actually you are referring to suspected flu deaths which can run around 30,000 per year but when they list all those who, after testing, actually had the flu and died the number is more like 20. That is because they report deaths from flu-like symptoms in one lump and the CDC releases this number to the public. But testing is required to determine if any of these people actually had the flu. Most died of pneumonia or other respiratory issues but did not have the flu.
You can go to the CDC data and look for yourself. It takes a bit of looking to get the final results. Look for tested flu deaths rather than suspected.
“Although the CDC released a recent report warning travelers that the virus could leave infectious material in the air, they were careful to say that it was not capable of spreading like other airborne viruses such as the common cold or flu.”
This is proof that common core is working.
So does the little flu viruses grab their little para-sails, and jump off the sputum after they get coughed out into the air? Not bloody likely. This ounds to me like they’re trying to REDEFINE the definition and meaning of “AIRBORNE.”
All I’m saying is THINK CAREFULLY about what they are really saying. If any virus pollutes bodily fluids like saliva and sputum, then they are certainly AIRBORNE when the host coughs, sneezes or leaves some sweat on a common object like a door knob.
They’re trying to convince people that while a flu virus jumps out of someone’s mouth and floats around on air, until they collide with another surface or host, but the Ebola virus doesn’t?
If it can survive for any length of time outside the body, and it is in body fluids, then it becomes airborne during a cough or sneeze. Period.
OOps…the door knob example was meat to be separate from the coughing and sneezing…my bad.
How many people die in automobile accidents in a day, week, year ?
Barn Cat says:
“There reportedly were 200 ebola deaths in one day recently.”
Cite the source for that “report” please.
By the CDC’s own admission, all deaths from Ebola cited by the CDC are only “Suspected Case Deaths.”
The African countries hit by the current “outbreak” of Ebola are seriously deficient in public healthcare and sanitation. Standards for both are beyond third world conditions. The truth is, when some local dies, they can’t exactly tell what caused their death. Ebola symptoms are the same as those of many diseases rampant in those African countries. There seems to be a tendency to attribute far too many deaths to Ebola.
Now who would benefit from that?
View this Ebola business with a skeptical eye.
He’s wrong, yourmother… what they said was the last 300 deaths occurred between the 6th of September and the 9th of september– about 4 days time, 300 deaths. Still, scarey- if you live over there!!
Remember this: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is nothing more than a PR firm for the Pharmaceutical Industry.
The “revolving door” of industry executive to government official and back to industry executive is legendary and well documented.
If you put your trust in these people, you’re nuts!
I posted a comment on here a few weeks back on what a virologist stated in giving up potency for the ability to become airborn.
Google it, “200 deaths in a day ebola” and you will find many articles
http://af.reuters.com/article/nigeriaNews/idAFL5N0RA3VL20140909
Are you seriously going to cite a Reuters piece?
If Reuters said “Proof: Anna Nicole Smith married J Howard Marshall for love.” Would you believe it?
Why do I suspect your answer would be “yes.”
It’s part of a September 10th article in the Washington Post about ebola.
You are such a dork barn kitty.
On the news this morning (CNN– little scrolls at the bottom of the screeen), it said about 5,000 cases so far, and 2,400 deaths…
Also, I believe they said that the last 400 deaths occurred since the 6th of this month– in one week. (scarey sh–!)
However, as my bro and I were discussing this morning, in Africa they don’t have the resources we do here– sanitation, doctors, etc. They said that in Liberia, there are no beds available for any more sick patients– zero beds available! Plus, of course, there are only a few doctors for thousands of patients.
YH said:
>>”Does anyone have a threshold number before they are seriously concerned?”<<
Yeah! Whatever the threshold number was a month ago!
Gunowners dot org said:
175,000 criminals are shot by law-abiding citizens defending themselves every year with legal guns. (gunowners dot org/sk0802htm.htm)
When ebola gets close to that IN THE WORLD I’ll take notice. Until then I’ve got other things to worry about, mkthx.
Ok that didn’t come out right. I’m not saying that I’m a criminal that plans to get shot. LMAO. But the chances of having to use a weapon to protect myself or my family are FAR greater than the risk of catching, and dying, from ebola. 🙂
And not to change the subject, but since it’s relevant…
Billy Hill said:
Gunowners dot org said:
175,000 criminals are shot by law-abiding citizens defending themselves every year with legal guns. (gunowners dot org/sk0802htm.htm)
One of those cases was fairly popular, a criminal was breaking into a house in 2010 and got shot in the face and killed. The shooter was acquitted of any charges.
mysanantonio dot com/news/local/article/Man-who-shot-at-cops-acquitted-5608077.php
Score one for the good guys!
Billy,
When the doctors on the ground in West Africa are using phrases like “unprecedented”, “out of control”, “spreading exponentially” to describe this Ebola outbreak, that’s enough for me to get ready for the worse case scenario to happen anywhere at moment.
A suspected case has already been found in Sweden.
stockholmnews.net/index.php/sid/225274059
I’m just taking prudent precautions now, because at the rate at which the CDC and WHO are claiming the virus is spreading, exponentially, we are way behind the 8 ball in our understanding of the severity this outbreak.
That 2-3 day inventory of supplies in the pharmacies will evaporate instantly if the virus becomes truly airborne.
YH,
When the
doctorsLEOs on the ground inWest AfricaMy-Town, USA are using phrases like “unprecedented”, “out of control”, “spreading exponentially” to describe thisEbolacrime outbreak, that’s enough for me to get ready for the worse case scenario to happen anywhere at moment.I see what you mean… 😉
Seriously, it’s good that you’re taking it seriously, but I think your efforts could be spent better elsewhere, at least for the short term.
(here’s to hoping the “strike” XHTML feature works)
LoL, almost got it. 😀
When the
doctorsLEOs on the ground inWest AfricaRural-Town, USA are using phrases like “unprecedented”, “out of control”, “spreading exponentially” to describe thisEbolacrime outbreak, that’s enough for me to get ready for the worse case scenario to happen anywhere at moment.Looks like the strike features works fine but the operator is defective.
YH -we had a case of Ebola here last week until the day after when it wasn’t. Sweden had a case until the day after – when it didn’t.
Watching and waiting …….
Aussie
My medical resources are starting to talk about Ebola in much more detail. Not exactly saying “here is what you do” if you see Ebola, but just discussing the cases in Africa.
There are several things that concern me and these come from reputable sources.
One interview was with one of the teams organizing medical care for Africa. They said that in every other disaster they have worked with, they have gotten a large amount of supplies and volunteers. This has been lacking for the Ebola outbreak. It may be that medical people are frightened (which makes sense) but the teams that do show up have not been getting the supplies they need to do the job properly. And very few countries are sending teams to help.
There is also a talk by the administrator for the hospital taking care of the two Ebola patients sent back to the US. When the patients were there, the hospital’s waste management company initially refused to come and pick up the waste to be incinerated. Other employees also refused to deal with the waste. The hospital finally convinced all of them to cooperate but this shows the kind of problems that could occur with just two cases here in the US.
The third thing is that the increase in rate of mutations is happening. I listened to a lecture by one of the researchers on viral mutation. When viruses pass through humans and animals, they go through constant attempts to find the best ways to replicate. Each cell infected by Ebola can produce thousands to millions of new viruses. Multiply that by the numbers of cells in the body and it provides a huge potential for mutation.
Most mutations are insignificant. Some are lethal to the virus. But some may make a change in the disease process. I am wondering if the virus hasn’t already mutated. One of the doctors treating the patients said they weren’t bleeding out in the same way they were described in “The Hot Zone”. Perhaps it is mutating to be less virulent. That would be good.
There are plenty of ways that mutations could make Ebola more dangerous. One way is by becoming transmissible by air. Another way is by making the disease milder at the beginning and less noticeable but more contagious. There are some diseases that are most contagious before symptoms show up.
I am not as confident that the US could contain an Ebola outbreak as some people are. On the positive side, we have a better health care system than Africa and this might save us. But I know from talking to people that are a lot of people who will not go to work if it means caring for someone with Ebola. This includes doctors, nurses and support staff.
I also know how well medical people follow proper containment precautions. From what I have heard, there is no facility that studies high risk organisms, such as the CDC, that have NOT had at least one accidentally exposure. This is the highest precaution facilities in the world and there are still accidents and exposures. They have the highest trained people and still there are lapses although they are rare. But if there are many cases of Ebola and the patients go to less trained facilities across the US, there is an increasing risk of simple human error amplifying the problem.
I suspect that, if it started to reach the point of multiple cases, we would begin to see martial law in place, people placed in quarantine, homes being searched for patients that are hiding out, and similar measures. Our country has not dealt with a major highly contagious epidemic for almost 100 years and it will be a challenge.
Another concern I have about Ebola. I have not seen any reports about whether the animal populations of Africa are also being impacted by Ebola. If they are, this can result in the amplification of mutations. When a virus goes through multiple species and passes back and forth between those species, it has a higher rate of mutation.
And a final concern is that Ebola lasts for a long time on surfaces. I only know of one case where this was investigated and the virus was still capable of infecting cells after five days on a surface as long as it wasn’t exposed to sunlight or disinfectant. It is not known how much longer than five days the virus can remain infective.
Thank you Merree…
They can’t keep staph out of hospitals. How can they deal with this?
This is a biolevel 4 contagion. The highest level.
They “say” that it’s not airborne. They “say” it’s not that easy to catch (requiring direct exposure to bodily fluids), and yet we have trained medical people over there in Africa who have been infected.
At this point, I look at anything they say with a fishy eye. It is not beyond the pale to believe that they would lie….just to keep people from panic.
@Merree;
Thanks for your input, I was hoping to see you post your thoughts on this.
GR
Here we go again.
According to the CDC, (Centers for Disease Control) an estimated 2,596 people have died from Ebola between it’s first identification in 1976, and thru March 2014.
Worldwide, an estimated 1.2 million people are killed in auto crashes each year, and as many as 50 million are injured.
Let’s do some math. (no… 2+2 does not equal 5)
38 years of Ebola = 2,596 deaths (worldwide)
38 years of the of the auto = 45.6 million deaths (est. worldwide)
Statistically, which has a higher mortality rate?
Do you remember the AIDS epidemic that never was? When AIDS burst onto the scene in the early 80’s, it was said to be the biggest health issue facing mankind. Sound familiar???
Fast forward to today, and you can read where Federal health officials admit the threat of AIDS was intentionally alarmist, deceptive, and overblown.
The reasons:
1. Grow government power and control,
2. Money
I’m not buying into the Ebola hype. Caveat: Not at this point.
Note this: More people “live” off cancer than “die” from cancer!
Cui bono.
The concern is an Ebola panic, whether justified or not, exacerbated greatly by martial law.
“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” ~ Rahm Emanuel
This is known as “Rahm’s Rule.”
The original quote is attributed to Winston Churchill. He said: “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”
The bottom line is this: The government will always use a crisis (real or imaginary) to grow and solidify it’s control over the people. It’s the nature of the State (Beast)!
yourmotherwaswrong,
Exactly! Look at the crap and loss of liberties Americans have endured in the wake of 9/11. One can only imagine what the government is cooking up for us in the event of an Ebola outbreak in the U.S.
It would almost certainly trigger a national emergency declaration, at the very least, and possibly implementation of sections of the NDAA and the National Defense Resources Preparedness Act. It would make Ferguson look like a rehearsal.
@YH
Ferguson was a rehearsal.
Emanuel is scum. Wasn’t even a need to mention him as he only parroted someone else’s words.
But they aren’t even reporting much on it! They are hiding it more than flaunting it….
Paranoia only gets you so far.
These articles are only postulating on the potential for death. You interpret how you like.
There are lies…damned lies…and statistics -Mark Twain-
So more people have been killed in car accidents than by Ebola.
Right.
Except car accidents aren’t contagious.
Your points about government control are not unreasonable.
AIDS was a “political” disease. Because it infected primarily male homosexuals, it got a lot of play in the media.
Ebola is not political. It’s an equal opportunity killer.
It’s rate of infection is becoming exponential….which means, it has not stabilized…it is continuing to grow. Over time, any disease that grows exponentially is nothing to take lightly. Unchecked…it is simply a matter of time before it is pandemic.
This is totally different than an auto accident. Good grief. It is also not like AIDS requiring sex or needle use. This is more like the flu, spreading simply by being on the bus or at the grocery store.
Why do people keep using auto deaths as an equivalent measurement? Am I missing something?
Now that you mention it,
The number that would concern me would be about 50,000 total cares. The reason is this; only a percentage are direct transimission cases, Yes? Some cases, throughout the epidemic, are imply ‘original’. As such, then – presupposing – that only a fraction of those arise from ‘DT’, then the rate of exponentiaition implies that the virus would have passed though at least a dozen ‘iterations’ at that point. Now, “What the hell does that mean?!”
Just this…it is usually around the tenth (or later) iteration – across a sufficiently broad population – that the probability favoring adaptation – or no – really comes into play. At a guess, at current rates of infection, I’d give that about another 45-50 days.
IF that adaptation becomes the reality, then RATHER suddenly the numbers will abruptly ‘Pop’…that’s when it’s time to consider ‘other’ options, seriously.
Don’t live life in fear! You and only you should consider what is important or relevant or life changing.
Ebola may be life altering IF
1) it becomes airborn
2) it mutates to have a higher mortality rate with a longer incubation period
3) leaves the African continent
But you know as well as I that we (the sheeple) will be the last to know that ebola has left the continent. As with all major catastrophes, it will be swift, fierce and unrelenting until its over
What you have to look at is how long it takes for the number of people infected to double.
If the number of infected people doubles say…every month (which doesn’t seem out of the question here, considering that we were counting cases in the dozens just a few months ago), then the potential to get into the 10’s or 100’s of thousands of cases could be just a few months away.
Look at the projections in the graphs on this site:
nytimes.com/2014/09/13/world/africa/us-scientists-see-long-fight-against-ebola.html?_r=0
Notice the hockey stick graph. That’s what you have to be concerned with….the total number of cases over time at a given rate of growth.
From what I could see in a worst case scenario, it looks like the number of cases is doubling every 14 days or so. If that continues, and there have been 2300 deaths thus far, then we can expect approximately 11000 deaths by the end of this month. And they are saying up to around 55,000 by the middle of next month. Projected out…you would be at 200,000 or so by the first of December. That’s if it goes unchecked.
The question will be…..how will they keep it contained to just those West African countries?
What will get my attention is it erupting here in the US. Frankly, I don’t care how many cases there are total, it’s knowing its in our country that will kick my concern into high gear.
On one hand people are suspecting its a man made disease and that this is TPTB mode of reducing population. Yet, it’s still not on any other continent.
On the other it’s being argued it’s being blown out of proportion. Yet it’s not being pushed much I’m the MSM.
This shit has been airborne since the beginning and it was weaponized and brought home to us by our traitorous scum government to kill us.
That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard. Ebola is NOT airborn and no one is bringing it here to kill us. Trust me, if that was their intention there are must more efficient and cost effective ways of population control than a clumsy virus that could easily get out of control. Think about what you say before you type…. we need smart people on this side, not reactional morons with IQs in the teens.
Government scum
Sorry FP but he’s right. One guy that you told to kill weeds with a Hudson sprayer full of Ebola would have already had this all over. with a million dead. That’s what scares me, a nut with a sprayer in a large airport
12 monkeys and exponential growth.
pay attention – it ain’t over till its over.
“Does anyone have a threshold…”
When it was SUSSPECTED…of leaving Africa…
Merree, could you please explain to everyone the significance of this virus’s longevity… this should have run it’s course months ago…
Detrick Blues…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A0wGO3c2T8
The “longevity” can definitely be a factor in the spread of the virus. There is the latent period which is the time from when the person is infected with the organism to the time they become infectious to others. Then there is the incubation period which is the time from when the person is infected with the organism to the time that symptoms start to show.
Some diseases, like the common cold, have a short latent period and a short incubation period. These occur almost simultaneously. A person is infected and one to three days later, they have symptoms and are capable of infecting others.
Other diseases may be capable of infecting people long before they have noticeable symptoms. For example, Hepatitis C is transmissible through blood contact sometimes years before liver damage produces visible symptoms. Of course, the disease can still be detected in the early stages by blood testing even in the absence of symptoms.
Ebola can have a very long incubation period- up to 21 days before symptoms show up. I have not seen any information as to what the latent period may be.
It seems that the latent period for Ebola might be around the same length of time as the incubation period. This would mean that people who have Ebola are not likely to infect others until they start showing symptoms. In this case, there would be less to worry about than if there were a short latency period.
If the latent period is shorter than the incubation period, then people can be infectious before they show symptoms. Their bodily fluids could spread the disease before they even know they have the infection. I have not seen any information whether this is occurring with the current Ebola outbreak.
The long incubation period does make it possible to people to travel long distances with the disease before they become symptomatic.
Thank you again…
Is there any chance you could keep us updated with info from your contacts?
Even if “off topic” in other comment sections…
Hell, why don’t you write an article…
I suspect Mac would give you the floor…
There are many of us that highly value your knowledge…
🙂
Thank you. I will try to post when I can.
I’m concerned about Ebola but there are many unknown variables. Can it spread in cold weather climates? Is it’s exponential growth sustainable globally i.e. in developed countries where proper hygiene is observed? Or is it just an Africa problem? Malaria for instance already kills a million people a year but not in America.
Read on the WHO website about Thursday our time that over 50% of the deaths and reported infections had occurred in the past 21 days!
This is something that first broke in February/March so if more than half the new cases have “broken” in just the last 3 weeks it suggests it is going on a rapid burn.
For it to do that it kinda suggests to me it is more virulent (easily transmissible) than in previous outbreaks – is that a fair assumption?
I am not panicking yet, but I sure as hell am watching this very closely!
Aussie
The information does not indicate that Ebola is becoming more transmissible/virulent. In previous outbreaks, the disease popped up in isolated villages and it burned itself out because it killed off all the susceptible people and because the survivors isolated themselves from becoming infected.
This round of Ebola has been different because Africa has an increased population density in the last twenty years and the infection began to hit more populated areas where it was less likely to burn out. Think about the difference between a fire started in a contained fire pit versus a wildfire in an isolated woodland undergoing a drought.
This outbreak started in a location with minimal health care and there was a sluggish response by the rest of the world to contain the problem. There is still a sluggish response which is why the disease is accelerating its spread.
In biology there is a growth curve that describes the growth of a population when there is minimal restraining factors. It occurs with any uncontrolled growth- rabbits in Australia, bacteria in a bottle, or disease like Ebola. It is an exponential curve where the growth is slow at first, then it reaches a rate of rapid increase and is often described as looking like a hockey stick.
There is a rapid growth phase which is what Ebola is entering. The infected population begins to double very quickly but this cannot be sustained. There are several outcomes possible and there is no way of knowing which scenario will occur.
The one that is feared is that the rapid growth phase could jump out of Africa and continue as a world wide epidemic until it finally had reached that point that there are no more potential victims, then it would die out.
It is also possible that efforts to contain the disease would keep it from leaving Africa and it could die out there and go back into hiding until the next outbreak occurs.
It could also mutate into a less virulent form that could continue to circulate at a chronic low level. I think that it would be much more likely to go world wide if this happened.
Since some survivors have been found capable of infecting others for as long as two months after they have recovered, it is possible that Ebola could become a chronic, ever present disease in Africa and possibly other places. Since one fluid that remains infectious is semen it is even possible that Ebola could develop into a sexually transmitted disease.
There is some evidence that at one time syphilis was much more deadly than it is today. It was reported that in the 1500s, syphilis (the Great Pox as opposed to the “less serious” smallpox) caused pustules all over the body and flesh to peel off the face followed by death within weeks to months. The organism appears to have gradually mutated to the less virulent disease it is today. It could be possible for Ebola mutate in a similar fashion although there is no evidence of that right now.
Mother Nature is shooting dice with Ebola right now. It is invading new territories and the increased mutation rate shows that the disease is trying to find a niche that will insure its long term survival. There is no way to predict the final outcome However, the more we wait to contain the disease (instead of the lame efforts that have been carried out so far) the more likely the outcome will not be in the favor of the human race.
“In biology there is a growth curve that describes the growth of a population when there is minimal restraining factors. It occurs with any uncontrolled growth- rabbits in Australia, bacteria in a bottle, or disease like Ebola. It is an exponential curve where the growth is slow at first, then it reaches a rate of rapid increase and is often described as looking like a hockey stick.”
This is the point I was trying to make in my post. And what you are saying is supported by the numbers, as proven in the link I posted as well.
nytimes.com/2014/09/13/world/africa/us-scientists-see-long-fight-against-ebola.html?_r=0
And as has been mentioned several times….by the time we begin to see cases in the U.S….it will be too late “think” about getting concerned.
If this gets into the wild in the United States, the economic damage (let alone human misery) it could inflict will be devastating.
one factor that does seem to distinguish this outbreak from all previous is that medical containment protocols have become much less effective. as a result, many more health care providers have become infected.
as far as i’ve seen, this confounding factor remains unexplained, and its one that give me significant concern.
as far as a virus mutating, is is more likely to do so in highly constrained circumstances, where only mutations that “break the previous rules” can replicate freely. this is a primary viral evolution mechanism. again, this outbreak does not appear to be tightly constrained, and may in fact be on the verge of exceeding any constraints.
the comment that most caught my eye is the one concerning latency of symptoms and whether infection is possible before symptoms are evident. anyone have any further information on that?
It’s already passed that threshold for me. I am seriously concerned right now but not yet worried. I’ll be worried when it starts to spread in the US. At that point I will take action and isolate myself and my family from other people in order to avoid infection.
“Lots of fear mongering…when start hitting the numbers…I’ll take notice.” It’s the attitude of people like that and of a like mind that has been the problem so far in dealing with this disease. By the time the numbers get to a point this person takes notice…it will be too late to respond.Kinda like closing the barn door after the horse got out. Before a person makes statements like that please read what ebola is and how dangerous it is.The other name for ebola is hemmorhagic fever meaning the patient bleeds internally and externally. There is one mistake in the article re: the numbers of those who died in the 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic. I just finished a book on the topic. The approximate number, approximate because record keeping was poor during that time and accurate counts were not kept, was….100 MILLION worldwide. The author goes on to say at the end of the book, the world, even with modern technology, is ill prepared to deal with a pandemic. That is the potential of what is going on now. Numbers don’t lie!!! Read about the topic and ,also, google “The 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic” and get the facts, not opinions. Lastly, the plea from the World Health Organization has been for healthcare workers. Considering the fact that 10 per cent of those infected have been healthcare workers and others, in fear of the disease, walk off the job, leaving those left to be overwhelmed. I’ve been associated with the health field for 30 yrs and when medical personnel are overwhelmed and overworked health care suffers, staffring at hospitals suffers. If you were a healthcare worker would you care for patients if there were a risk of dying?Especially if the disease is normally handled in the lab in BioLevel 4 protection. Closing statement about this comment:an old farm saying about criticizing farmers …”don’t criticize a farmer with your mouth full.” Don’t criticize a topic if you haven’t read about it…in detail
Read about the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918. Consider the implications to the present situation. Then think before using statements like “lots of fear mongering.” That’s the problem now in why response to ebola has been inadequate so far. By the way, per a book I read on the topic, it was 100 million who died in the 1918 pandemic.
Spoken like a true paid internet troll.
This is the FEAR,
At each turn..as another host is entered, the virus ADAPTS succesively to the genome encountered, eventually ‘tailoring’ itself to the DNA from which it is replicating itself…ours.
One of two things happens eventually, A) the virus mutates into a sub-lethal form as ‘genetic drift’ neutralizes it, or B) the virus succeeds and undergoes a quantum step upwards in lethality. The second option here is VERY difficult to predict.
All we can do now is ‘wait and see’ Good Luck.
This is why I take everyday one day at a time.
We are so fragile and anything can take us out
at a moments notice.
I prep for when I am here, and pray for when
I’m gone.
Tomorrow isn’t here and yesterday is past, we
have only the moment to live life to the fullest.
Great outlook SM…
MayBeSo,
The virus is figuring us out faster than we’re figuring it out.
>>”All we can do now is ‘wait and see’ Good Luck.”<<
If the Ebola virus goes airborne, God and luck maybe our only saving graces left. But I'm not waiting to see what happens next. I'm already stocking up on masks, gloves, disinfectants, hand sanitizers, anti-bacterial soaps, wipes, 91% isopropyl alcohol, anything that will improves my odds against this pathogen AND people who don't wash their hands after using the bathroom. Get proactive friends.
As long as the media keeps portraying this crisis as an "African" problem, nothing will be done to seriously contain the spread.
Hello YH,
Good moves all, better BEFORE the fact than after!
I concur that it is NOT an ‘African problem’; any such attitude is – likely – ‘Fatally short-sighted’. Furthermore, there has been almost no significant episodes of strongly depopulating actions on the part of ‘Mother Nature’ for a VERY long time indeed, century’s in fact….I’m thinking that we are rather overdue for onesuch. However, ‘Mother Nature’ is a wily old bird, is she not? For that reason I think that when she does act it will be on multiple fronts, likely soem few of which we will not see right away, and so not react to with alacrity….the current repiratory outbreak may just be oneusch; the ‘tip of the iceberg’ as it were.
…Again, we’ll see soon enough.
Oh, BTW, JOG cu’ed me up – big time – on the properties of Borax with respect to hygiene in general; the stuff is wholly anti-fungal, ‘bacterio-static’… that is, prevents replication of living pathogens and has a HOARD of other uses beyond laundry, hundreds – or more – in fact. You might want secure a small supply before too long.
MayBeSo,
Great tip on the Borax! Thank you. I had not considered it, but I’ll do some research on it pronto.
MayBe,
Wow, thanks for the tip. I use Borax with my Fels Naptha as a laundry booster. I had not considered other uses. I will search. And that is no maybe.
Hello Mike,
…don’t mention it. The list there is long…really long, of what that stuff does.
Gardeners have used it to ‘dust’ thier rose bush’s for a hundred or more years, due to it’s anti-fungal properties which are total; funguses simply cannot ‘grow’ if anyy of that is preaent in even small quantities; fire-retardent…soak a 2×4 with that and you can’t hardly burn it with an acetylene torch…it’ll burn so long as the torch is applied but the instant you remove it, it’s OUT…works on ANY form of fire, rated for all classes…EVEN NUCLEAR ONES! I have heard – here – repeatedly that people use it to cure hams and such…thogh I’m not sure HOW that was done, and No, you don’t REALLY want to ingest that in any amount I’ve always presumed. It can be used to cure leather, is the primary component in shatter-resistant glass…
the ‘Pyrex’ that we are all familiar with. Roach-killer extraorinaire, same for termites…turns off the bacteria in thier intestines that ALLOW them to digest anything….primary component of ‘Roach-Pruf’ that you buy at the store… the ‘grit’ in the old hand cleaners mechanics used, ‘Go-Jo’…and it actually MAKES skin soft as a baby’s butt…
….and the list goes on and ON. After I got ‘tuned-up’ on it’s properties I have decided I’ll never be short in that department again.
I’ve been stocking igredients to make my own laundry soap, and Fels Naptha, Borax and washing soda are the three main ingredients, along with water.
In microbiology we disinfected with 190 proof grain alcohol.
Good tip! Thanks.
From the inside!!!!
Ebola works by depleting your body of vitamin C. In effect, you bleed to death because you have an extreme case of scurvy. Taking mega doses of Vitamin C NOW and stocking up on vitamin C may save your life.
Great advice!
Thanks, Tonto. However, can you provide documentation for this?
Click my name to read an article explaining how a megadose of vitamin C will eliminate Ebola. The article is very light on supporting evidence but it’s better than nothing. The article is written by Jim Stone, a freelance writer.
This is incorrect. This is not what Ebola does and vitamin C has NOTHING to do with your body’s clotting process. Vitamin C is a water soluable vitamin of little use against a virus besides its innate ability to boost the immune system. Ebola is being blown way out of proportion. Ebola can mutate yes… but so can the flu or other viruses that ARE a real threat to the US and become just as deadly as Ebola. There are much greater threats to the US and our daily lives that Ebola. Stop stressing over it. I love this website, but this ebola thing has me laughing.
There is no evidence of ebola going airborne. Let’s not borrow trouble. If we are going to play ‘what if’ let’s make it a good story.
Does not need to go airborne, it is a problem now with its current transmission mode.
The argument that the virus is not airborne is already obsolete and debunked. Only the mainstream media and government agencies are still spreading that disinformation to prevent panic.
In 2012 the Canadians conducted an experiment with pigs and monkeys and definitively proved that the virus does have an airborne component. It’s not as effective as the flu, but effective none the less. Read the article below for more information.
globalbiodefense.com/2012/11/19/canadian-study-shows-airborne-transmission-of-ebola/
If I’m not mistaken, a strain of Ebola (Ebola Reston) went airborne and infected monkeys at the DoD Reston, VA facility back in 1989.
guardianlv.com/2014/09/experts-dispute-the-potential-for-the-ebola-virus-to-go-airborne/
It most certainly is airborne. It attaches itself to bodily fluids. When you exhale, you expel water vapor and any other micro particles. How else does one explain all those health workers getting infected even though they are covered from head to toe.
p.s. Good documenary piece about ebola on PBS last night (9/11/2014)
Technically, it’s “aerosolized”. The difference is that a truly airborne strain can exist without the bodily fluids and thus transports over much larger distances. Yeah, I know, it’s a matter of semantics but one is worse than the other.
Even still, it is something to be concerned about, but not panicked…yet.
Winston smith you are CORRECT. “droplet” transmission is different from airborne, even though to non-medical/laboratory folks it sounds the same to them. Bottom line, find out how far a sneeze can travel, and stay twice that distance away from someone unless you have a mask. Find out how long the infectious agent can live in UV light on a surface after the fluids have dried. Those damn door knobs will get you every time. BTW, MRSA can live on a surface 28 days….
Don’t forget eye protection.
NPPH;
Thanks for that clarification. I have been wondering about that.
GR
YES!! Finally someone with a brain!! Airborn means it can be spead without a host fluid but rather on dust that can hang in the air like smoke and be a stagnant cloud of infectious material. Droplet (which is how ebola can be transmitted) involves the infectious organism being suspended in a host’s body fluids (typically saliva) and is projected from the host outwards when sneezing, coughing etc. The good thing is that in order for transmission to be successful the droplets of bodily fluid must be inhaled, ingested or absorbed through the mucous membranes of the recipient. A simple N95 respirator can prevent the transmission of most droplet acquired infections. So yes, Ebola can be transmitted through the air, in perfect circumstances and in about a 6 foot radius. Antrax, tuberculosis, small pox, chicken pox and the flu are all AIRBORNE which means you don’t need to eat someone’s spit to get it. Just be in the same air space even up to 30-40 minutes later in some cases. That would be bad and I have a feeling that Ebola was AIRBORNE we would not be alive to have this conversation right now. Bottom line is there is frankly little we can do to stop it. If Ebola does go to full pandemic scale it will kill a great portion of the world’s population and leave the rest to pick up the pieces. No amount of preparation can get you ready for that. So you survive with a Hazmat suit and a gas mask…. then what? But hey, what do I know. I’m just a Nurse Practitioner who specializes in epidemiology and research.
Since deer season is coming, here is one that makes you think…. Enjoy…
Roping A Deer——- ( Names have been removed to protect the Stupid! )
Actual letter from someone who farms and writes well!
I had this idea that I was going to rope a deer, put it in a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it.
The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it down) then hog tie it and transport it home.
I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with my rope.
The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well back. They were not having any of it.
After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up — 3 of them. I picked out.. ..a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and threw.. my rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me.
I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation.
I took a step towards it..it took a step away. I put a little tension on the rope and then received an education.
The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action when you start pulling on that rope.
That deer EXPLODED.
The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could fight down with a rope and with some dignity.
A deer– no chance.
That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined.
The only up side is that they do not have as much stamina as many other animals.
A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope.
I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing, and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual.
Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where I had cleverly arrested the deer’s momentum by bracing my head against various large rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility for the situation we were in, so I didn’t want the deer to have to suffer a slow death, so I managed to get it lined back up in between my truck and the feeder – a little trap I had set before hand…kind of like a squeeze chute.
I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could get my rope back.
Did you know that deer bite? They do! I never in a million years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised when I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist.
Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a horse where they just bite you and then let go. A deer bites you and shakes its head –almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts.
The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method was ineffective. It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes, but it was likely only several seconds.
I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning that claim by now), tricked it.
While I kept it busy tearing the tendons out of my right arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day.
Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and their hooves are surprisingly sharp. I learned a long time ago that, when an animal — like a horse –strikes at you with their hooves and you can’t get away easily, the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards the animal.
This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you can escape.
This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run..
The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will hit you in the back of the head. Deer may not be so different from horses after all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down.
Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head.
I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went away.
So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring a rifle with a scope to sort of even the odds.
Years ago we had a guy in our hunting camp jump on the back of a fawn, the fawn head butted him and back kicked him in the groin. At least that’s how he explained his swollen nose, fat lip and black eyes.
@eppe;
That was your best one yet! I laughed so hard I’ve got tears in my eyes. That one reminds me of one of SmokinOkie’s jokes about buying his wife a stun gun. I’ll check and see if I have still it and post it later.
GR
GR: Please post…. 🙂
PKLL
I seen plenty of times where two old football-headed, roman nosed does stand up on their back legs and flail at each other with their front hooves. It’s no joke. That’s one fight I wouldn’t want to referee. When I was a lot younger I had a good friend who would go deer hunting with his dad on another family member’s farm. My buddy told me his relative downed a nice buck and approached it, straddled its hind legs and started to gut it when the deer ‘came to’. It kicked his relative’s calf and partially detached it from the bone. Liked to of bled to death before proper help arrived.
Now that was funny!!! Hey GR, saw your comment back a couple articles ago saying howdy! I’ve been checking in and reading the articles and comments but haven’t posted in a while. We got a nice 80 acre parcel out in the boondocks that we have been busy cutting in trails and just enjoying nature.
This definitely does sound like a SmokinOkie story!
Has anyone heard from Be Informed lately? He has said for a long time he envisions a plague like situation as the event that will trigger the SHTF. It would be great to get his take on the virus.
In any event, God Bless,
NP
Hey NP;
Sounds like you got a really nice set up going there. Good luck with it.
Yup, BI has been absent for awhile, hope to hear his take on this soon.
GR
well like as been said
the 2nd amendment is not about deer hunting
its about stopping thugs from hunting you and your family
I dont rope deer, I shoot em
Had a guy here at work (avid hunter and knows better)
shot a deer in archery season , walked up to it and it came to life head butted the man and he held on as it ran him thru the woods hitting him on everything it could
he dam near lost his life
he ended up (hell if I know how) got his knife out while wrestling with this beast and slit its throat
The mount is on his wall above the fire place you can see where he sliced its throat from the fur missing
when he came back to work he look like he’d been hit by a mack truck
so when people tell me your a bad person for hunting a defenseless deer with a gun , I laugh hard in their face
You should be a professional writer. VERY well done!
eppe: I’m crying…that was hilarious….is this copyrighted anywhere or free use?
PKLL
PK, anything I post is fair game, same with anyone posting here, was funny though….
eppe: hilarious, thanks….
So many things that can go wrong,economy/war/martial law/personal things/ebola going airborne/hell,a little while back I tried to rope a deer!I am a pretty solitary person by nature,even a real hint of a airborne disease am off like a shot,hopefully will survive long enuff till it burns out.Of course then,any getting close to civilization has the risk of all sorts of new diseases due to the number of corpses littering the land,argh……
Just as outwardly we live in a world where a whole continent may be submerged at any moment, or a pole shifted, or a new pestilence break out, so inwardly we live in a world where at any moment something similar may occur, albeit in the form of an idea, but no less dangerous and untrustworthy for that. Failure to adapt to this inner world is a negligence entailing just as serious consequences as ignorance and ineptitude in the outer world….
Get right with God and prepare.
When the international ZOGs are getting desperate they always create a new fear to keep the people under control. Ebola is a man made weapon, developed many years ago by the criminal tribe , tested many years ago on Africans and in Africa and now is fully being used to destroy the African continent for more penetration by the international ZOGs to steal their natural resources.
Ebola is the same as the ISIS…..have you ever questioned why ISIS only kills Christians, Muslim women and children and not the tribal members? Because all of these fear factors are being created by the Satanic Tribe.
STOP THE FEAR AND DESTROY THE SATAN.
The satanic tribe is the Muslims. Israel isn’t a tribe. It’s a nation.
There are only 13.9 million Jews in the world but they must work overtime to commit all the evil in the world.
Barn Idiot. The comment was addressed toward the hight IQ member of the community and not useful idiots. Go bang your head against the wall. Plus the %$%$ing muslims in ISIS are made by your tribe. is your 13.9 million Jews another fictional number like the fake 6 million?
BC who are the Jews.Did Jesus ever say he was a Jew.Did the Apostle Paul ever say he was a Jew.Perhaps you should spend a little time Defining who is a Jew and who is an Isrealite.
Yes. BOTH of them said they were Jews. In fact, Paul was part of the tribe of Benjamin and his job was to persecute Christians. As for Jesus, do I really have to recount the Genealogy of Jesus Christ as is written in the Book of Matthew, Chapter 1? Of course, that was written as proof to the Jews of his bloodline and to prove the fulfillment of Prophesy concerning the Messiah.
@Tacoma….
Haven’t read the Bible all that much, have you?
West Africa is enormously rich in Gold, Copper, Platinum, and Iron Ore. Soros is actively involved buying up control of those resources for his master, Rothschild. Many sources say that Ebola is being deliberately targeted at populations where the pit mines are to be opened. Western engineers and Asian technicians will run the mines, so the native population is to be cleared like the jungle. America is still needed to provide the muscle for the globalists’ wars for world dominion. Sandy Hook showed the media can create any bullshit story they want. I watched Nancy Grace fake a newscast with a confederate supposed;y at Sandy Hook. Both were broadcasting from parking lots, and I noticed that the same vehicles were passing behind both! It is far more likely that a minor outbreak would be hyped on J-media to justify martial law. I don’t know if it is the Nazi NWO or the Jewish JWO we face (I think an alliance of both), but I don’t think we are in the endgame yet. I am buying silver, and figure I can still get an NBC mask if Ebola does go wild. I can always suck on my silver to fight Ebola. When Corp Med says a treatment is ineffective, I know it must be good.
“Ebola is being deliberately targeted at populations where the pit mines are to be opened. Western engineers and Asian technicians will run the mines, so the native population is to be cleared like the jungle.”
Starting to sound like Agenda 21.
Millions at risk;
Map of likely Ebola reservoir animals in Africa:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11086598/Millions-more-at-risk-in-Ebola-outbreak-British-study-finds.html
Central America’s climate can favor these host reservoir animals. Just one stow away in a cargo shipment of fruit may do it. Or they may just come directly to the USA, where they could fill the partial vacuum left by the bats that have been wiped out from the white nose fungus. Something to chew on (just make sure it is thouroghly cooked first)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11086598/Millions-more-at-risk-in-Ebola-outbreak-British-study-finds.htmlh cooking that
C’mon now , where is this hyped up collapse already ……looks like I’m right more and more every year
I see they downgraded NJ again.
And that means WHAT ????
Take everything the media is telling you about Ebola and toss it out your mind. You will never get the truth about numbers, transmission, or regions infected.
The next thing you will hear is they have a vacine for everyone and if you don’t take it, you will not be able to fly, send your kids to school, or come to work.
Same as the Mooselum boogie man that started the war on terror.
Amen to your truthful vision Indy Colts and 1000 thumbs up to your comment.
Scotland on the verge of independence. If the motion carries other independence movements in Europe will be emboldened.
And of course, the U.S. will pick and choose which countries (if any) are ‘allowed’ their independence by referendum.
Sometimes I don’t know where America gets off, thinking it can control the world at it’s pleasure…
They could hit us with a widespread virus and call it Ebola, when in fact its a new agent they are releasing on the public for population control. I’m thinking they made HIV airborne in a lab and are ready to use it on us.
Ain’t no doubt in my mind. They’ll gather their families and head for WV to the bunkers or Colorado under the airport. I believe this Ebola has been “tailored made”.
Hello PO’d Patriot,
Funny you should mention that….JOG has remarked REPEATEDLY that ‘isn’t it ODD that China has already built ‘Ghost Ciy’s’ in Africa…and now has sent 700 troops to South Sudan?’ Let’s see here…if I HAD all the technology that I STOLE form the West, – genetic tech also – and I had a vast population problem, as well, econimic ones…and I regarded most non-Asian life on Earth as ‘sub-human’…then what would the answer to my dilema be? Just a little ‘Gedanken’ there.
Ahh, just kiddin there…or am I?
You could definitely be on to something.
In the same fashion as Hitler wanted to create a perfect society. The Chinese could have some sort of direction.
Most Chinese are very intelligent, even shrewd, a friend from China absolutely hates blacks, and especially the African ones. He told me that is common, that they view them with disdain as they have a resource rich continent and the majority of them live in no better than mud huts.
Needless to say it was an interesting conversation.
Who knows what lies in the minds of other men!
Honestly i would be more concerned about these islamist idiots creating a toxic brew of the ground up corpses of ebola patients and spraying it over a region similar to what the chemtrail geoengineering planes do. Now thats sick, scarry, an outlier, but gawdawful sick
Something like that came sprayin’ out of those martian machines in the movie War of the Worlds that Tom Cruise played in?
Something like that came sprayin’ out of those martian machines in the movie War of the Worlds that Tom Cruise played in?
MBS, I don’t know how long you are going to be where you’re at (up in the cold I take it), but when you finally get back, you and a few others might have the whole world to yourselves. BTW, if you see JOG at the chow hall tell him hello for me.
Roger…and WILCO PO’d,
‘Chow Hall’, yep ‘there’ we are still in the single (LARGE) communal residence, that will change though, especially if what we all think will happen does….when there aren’t any ‘external considerations’ involved. However, I kinda like it as it is…the feeling of community is so strong, multiple familes now (assuaging JOG’s biggest fear adequately) and yet all there are a single ‘family’; the absence of strife or even simple ‘friction’ is remarkable. When the PRESSURES that ‘Civilization’ continuously places on us daily are gone…the results are amazing. I begin to see how it SHOULD be, more I am begining to BELIEVE…and I did have some doubts initally. If what happens does, then the sheer space around thia place is VAST, uninhabited near completely, so there is a lot of expansion room…I’m quite sure that THAT forms a real part of how he thinks…and what he intends as well.
While I’m here, the Solar thing is a little odd at present; the ‘second wave’ has impacted us with far less intensity than was thought it would…still watching the results as they come in though…there is ALWAYS a significant margin of error in WHEN a CME actually hits.
Oh and lastly, the current polar angle of the Earth’s magnetic field vs the IMF is relatively ‘Northward’…though it CAN change abruptly; that also serves to mitigate the effects we see here.
Back to watching then….Incidentally, I am also concerned about ‘Be Informed’; that one is the personification of ‘diligence’…and that absence is striking.
So we need to buy the cement really fast to lock down the bunkers for ever.
HIV takes too long to kill.
eppe!!! you made me laugh so hard I was crying. literally LOTFLMAO!!!
The 1918 Spanish Flu supposedly had a mortality rate of only 2-3%… yet over 50 million died worldwide.
Now calculate an aggressive, (weaponized or airborne)version of Ebola with a mortality rate of 50-90%.
You do the math, it results in big, negative numbers.
I would NOT put it past TPTB to release something like as asymmetric warfare. Everyone knows the Earths resources are becoming scarce. Everyone knows that population reduction is the prime directive for Agenda 21(and others). What better way to thin the herd worldwide and make less targets to control them to kill off half the planet with a ‘natural’ form of Eugenics?
Truth IS stranger than fiction, and you are living it right now.
Well said, this is less about fear mongering and more about war gaming the known facts and possibilities on the table.
Earth’s resources are becoming scarce? Please review who won the Julian Simon/Paul Erhlich wager. You can google it. These Malthusian assumptions miss one critical point – that man’s ingenuity overcomes scarcity, as the wager pointed out. What you also miss is that these Malthusian assumptions are what lie DIRECTLY behind all the horsemanure we see today of Agenda 21, faux global warming, NWO antics, and nauseam. I am NOT saying we can be profligate. I am saying that Malthusians have been wrong every single time since dear Malthus came up with the stupid idea. And that includes London being covered in 1- feet of horse manure by 1900, as all the scientists of the time predicted 50 years earlier
God
Grant me the serenity………..
Grant me a swift hand, and “dead-on” aim…
Aaaaaa–chooo
oops yer dead sorry, but I trusted my government, and they told me its ok dont worry
were bringing this and illegals into your country because Obama thinks it will get him votes for his third term
were sure your ok with this so we wont even hold a useless vote
besides we own the machines that do your voting for you anyways..
FORE! … dammit im in the sand trap again
According to a September 9th Washington Post article, 2296 deaths from ebola have occurred in West Africa as of last Saturday. They recently had 200 deaths in one day. A daily death toll would be good to see reported from now on.
I’ve read what the computer models predict but I’ve learned to be skeptical of computer models with global warming.
I’m a little more concerned about it than I was given how the media has said it won’t be a problem in America.
Given the reported fear of ebola becoming airborne I have to wonder if the government is working on producing an airborne strain of ebola. That would definitely be a game changer.
Or if the government released ebola in a number of places in America at the same time that would be a game changer too.
I’m still not 100% convinced that this will be the disaster that other people are predicting.
What’s scary is the countries not reporting the infected or dead
The last time this was a topic I supplied a link that documented the air borne tranmission in a closed labratory invironment from infected pigs on one side of the room to monkeys on the other side of the room. To say that the virus will eventually mutate and may become airborne is short sighted at best. The evidence dictates otherwise. To say that ER’s through out the US are ready for any contingency is a fallacy. How do you control a virus that is airborne, has an incubation period of 21 days and stays active in the hosts for months after the hosts is deceased? There had better be a proven inoculation against it FAST, or the ramifications will rival any of the great human population purges of history. Unfortunately that also applies to the technology that we generally take for granted. Electricity, clean water, plastics, glass, iron. Look around you, humans have never had it so easy. Life could get very interesting, very quickly.
The CDC is now finally admitting publicly that Ebola MIGHT be spread airborne.
We see the potential for a pandemic, where travel can take a person around the world in only hours.
This sentence in the NY Times article caught my attention…
“The Ebola epidemic in West Africa has the potential to alter history as much as any plague has ever done.”
Real swell!
More from the Malthusian, fascist left. Noted professor Eric Pianka declared that the Earth would be better off if nine out of 10 people were to die. The Earth’s population is growing,” said Eric Pianka of the University of Texas, who was named the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist by the Texas Academy of Science. (Yes, and Hitler’s scientists won awards, too.) “We will see a point when we reach the carrying capacity – there aren’t enough resources.” Pianka believes the planet’s current population of 6.5 billion is much too high, and 700 million would be the ideal number. He says people are turning the Earth into “fat, human biomass” and leaving the planet “parched,” the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons reports.
He goes on to say that human life is no more valuable than other forms of life, such as reptiles, and tells students that each one of them will get to bury nine others. This is really an exciting time,” he says. According to Pianka, the most likely instrument for killing 90 percent of the Earth’s human population is the Ebola virus, after it evolves the capacity for airborne transmission.
Cited from Carl Limbacher, Newsmax, April 17, 2006
Wonder why exploding nuclear power plants and the radiation spewed around the globe, never made his list of woes of the planet. I think being contaminated by nuclear waste is much more hostile to life on this planet, than leaving the planet “parched,”.
What an idiot this professor Eric Pianka.
Here’s another video of some Nazi…. er, leftist prof, joking about “culling” human population with Ebola: http://truthstreammedia.com/scientist-working-on-govt-ebola-drug-joked-about-culling-population-with-gmo-virus/
Do I overstate the case? Relative to faux global warming (ZERO global warming since 1998, BTW), here is another prof: Finnish writer Pentti Linkola, an uber-greenie, who wants to reduce Earth’s population to 500 million and abandon modern technology (presumably he is getting his message out via smoke signals). Writes Linkola: “What to do, when a ship carrying a hundred passengers suddenly capsizes and there is only one lifeboat? When the lifeboat is full, those who hate life will try to load it with more people and sink the lot. Those who love and respect life will take the ship’s axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides.” And of course, America is the core of the problem: “The United States symbolises the worst ideologies in the world: growth and freedom.” Linkola concludes by writing: “Any dictatorship would be better than modern democracy. There cannot be so incompetent a dictator that he would show more stupidity than a majority of the people. The best dictatorship would be one where lots of heads would roll and where government would prevent any economical growth. We will have to learn from the history of revolutionary movements — the national socialists, the Finnish Stalinists, from the many stages of the Russian revolution, from the methods of the Red Brigades — and forget our narcissistic selves. A fundamental, devastating error is to set up a political system based on desire. Society and life have been organized on the basis of what an individual wants, not on what is good for him or her… Just as only one out of 100,000 has the talent to be an engineer or an acrobat, only a few are those truly capable of managing the matters of a nation or mankind as a whole. In this time and this part of the World we are heedlessly hanging on democracy and the parliamentary system, even though these are the most mindless and desperate experiments of mankind. In democratic countries the destruction of nature and sum of ecological disasters has accumulated most. Our only hope lies in strong central government and uncompromising control of the individual citizen.” Linkola has also publicly called for climate change deniers be “re-educated” in eco-gulags and that the vast majority of humans be killed with the rest enslaved and controlled by a green police state, with people forcibly sterilized, cars confiscated and travel restricted to members of the elite. A fellow Finnish environmentalist writer, Martin Kreiggeist, hails Linkola’s call for eco-gulags and oppression as “a solution,” calling for people to “take up the axes” in pursuit of killing off the third world. Kreiggeist wants fellow eco-fascists to “act on” Linkola’s call for mass murder in order to solve overpopulation.
He only gat one thing almost right: ” And of course, America is the core of the problem: “The United States symbolises the worst ideologies in the world.”
The rest is just NWO BS.
“A fellow Finnish environmentalist writer, Martin Kreiggeist, hails Linkola’s call for eco-gulags and oppression as “a solution,” calling for people to “take up the axes” in pursuit of killing off the third world. Kreiggeist wants fellow eco-fascists to “act on” Linkola’s call for mass murder in order to solve overpopulation.”
my favorite reply to these a**holes: i’ll hold the axe, you’re first in line.
Text messages today
My son: Dad there is a Humvee with guys in uniform just sitting on the side of the road in our neighborhood
Me: is the Humvee armed?
Son: nope. No gun
Me: ok we are still good then.
my Son: lol sure dad. Just thought of you when I saw them
Me: you are an awesome son
Good kid, keep em close
Yeah, he is 18 now and a fine young man with a great mind. Pretty good opsec too, even though he thinks his dad is obsessed with the end of the world.
Better to be obsessed with it, than surprised by it…
If I may humbly suggest a name for the above, I would like to propose “T-4a,” after the Nazi T4 euthanasia programme, which this appears to be modelled – as early as 1929 Hitler proposed 700,000 of the weakest Germans be “removed” per year. By Aug. 1939, every doctor and midwife was notified they must register all children born with genetic defects, retroactive to 1936. By Sept. the killing started and medical staff were told the forms were merely for statistical purposes , and that a mass transfer of patients to other institutions might be necessary due to wartime demands for med facilities. The ptns were to “give their lives for the greater cause “ Nazis used injections, then later being the ever-efficient National Socialist they were, used carbon monoxide; they would then send a letter to the parents say, saying the child is dead (hey, it depends on what the definition of “is” is, right?) from pneumonia, and already cremated. The National Socialist T-4 programme was run by Hitlers doc, Karl Brandt.
Overstating the case? Here are what your leaders are saying, in their own words:
“The present vast overpopulation, now far beyond the world carrying capacity, cannot be answered by future reductions in the birth rate due to contraception, sterilization and abortion, but must be met in the present by the reduction of numbers presently existing. This must be done by whatever means necessary.”
– Initiative for the United Nations ECO-92 EARTH CHARTER (of course the authors of this are excepted, just like Nancy Pelosi excepted her cronies from Obamacare)
“One America burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say in order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it.”
-Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier (Jacques, of course, with all his globe-trotting, was equivalent a zillion Bangladeshes, but he was “special.” As in Orwell’s comment that in the socialist worker’s paradise, we’ll all be equal, only some of us will be “more equal” than the others.
“A reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be 1 billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2 to 3 billion would be possible.”
-United Nations, Global Biodiversity Assessment
“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline would be ideal.”
-Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major United Nations contributor. Hey Ted! You volunteering to go first?
War and famine would not do. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved. AIDS is not an efficient killer because it is too slow. My favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world’s population is airborne Ebola (Ebola Reston), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. “We’ve got airborne diseases with 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that. “You know, the bird flu’s good, too. For everyone who survives, he will have to bury nine”
– Dr. Eric Pianka University of Texas speaking on the topic of reducing the world’s population to an audience on population control.
A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells, the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.”
-Stanford Professor Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb. Ehrlich is a classic nutcase. He predicted the world would end from global cooling in the 1970s – and if of course now a global warmer.
“We have to take away from humans in the long run their reproductive autonomy as the only way to guarantee the advancement of mankind.” Francis Crick, The discoverer of the double-helix structure of DNA
“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Leader of the World Wildlife Fund
Malthus has been vindicated; reality is finally catching up with Malthus. The Third World is overpopulated, it’s an economic mess, and there’s no way they could get out of it with this fast-growing population. Our philosophy is: back to the village.”
-Dr. Arne Schiotz, World Wildlife Fund Director of Conservation. Hey Arne – ever hear of the Julian Simon wager with Paul Ehrlich about scarcity issues around 1990 or so? Nah, didn’t think so. In fact, Malthus has been roundly disproved. But don’t let that bother you!
“There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it….” “Our program in El Salvador didn’t work. The infrastructure was not there to support it. There were just too goddamned many people…. To really reduce population, quickly, you have to pull all the males into the fighting and you have to kill significant numbers of fertile age females….” The quickest way to reduce population is through famine, like in Africa, or through disease like the Black Death….
-Thomas Ferguson, State Department Office of Population Affairs. “Too many goddamed people.” I think that expresses your sentiments perfectly, Mr. Ferguson.
“Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries.” Dr. Henry Kissinger.
“The world’s population needs to be reduced by 50%,” and “The elderly are useless eaters”
-Dr. Henry Kissinger. Kissinger is turning 91 – but no word yet if he plans to “check out” early. Y’know… just to do his part and all
“The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.”
-Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
“Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”
-Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Nope, no word from the leftist media on this racist comment. And never will be, either.
– “The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.”
– Obama’s science czar John P. Holdren: From Ecoscience. Holdren is a current global warmer cult leader – and in the 1970s, was a fanatic global cooling alarmist.
“It is easier to kill a million people rather than trying to control a million people… people are fighting back…our capacity to impose control over humanity is at an historical low…” —
-Zbignew Brzezinsi
“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.” David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations
Them guys is about to show up cause your talking about the Nazi’s he worships…..
TEST says:
Comment ID: 3224577
September 12, 2014 at 2:58 pm If I may humbly suggest a name for the above, I would like to propose “T-4a,” after the Nazi T4 euthanasia programme……
Now if we could just have aT-4a program for the EBT, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Head Start, AFDC, SNAP, Medicade, Medicare, Ferguson Mo rioters……
Granted vast parts of Africa are crap in every respect EXCEPT what is below the ground. Many of the African nations (if one could call them nations) are fragmented with tribe killing tribe and every new contagious disease just happens to make its appearance there.
The above is coincidental I’m sure.
Some things that may ameliorate the threat:
– Sanitation and medical facilities are of MUCH lower standards than in the West.
– Cultural practices are extremely significant. One mining exec recently talked about working in the area, and noted that common practice where he was was eating with hands out of a common bowl. You can imagine what that might mean with Ebola around.
– Is there a reservoir, such as possibly with fruit bats? Might the disease be more pronounced where this reservoir exists?
– It is striking that with a population base in just that immediate area (Nigeria alone has 173 mm people), we have “only” ~ 2000 dead. Let’s grant that maybe it is actually ten times that, it is still a half a drop in the bucket. That is still a infinitesimal percentage. I grant that every life is if infinite value, but if we followed the Black Plague rates of possibly 50% (south France and Spain saw maybe up to 80% dead), we are talking maybe 100 *million* dead, not two, or twenty, thousand. It may come to that, but so far, it has not.
– Diet, nutrition, general health levels may be even much worse than here (Aspartame Diet Coke, washed down by some GMO McDonalds, followed by some MSG flavoured Doritos, anyone?). If so, this may reduce levels of mortality.
– 50 to 90% mortality is a MASSIVELY broad range. Is it 50, or 90? Would it be much less in the West, due to sanitation, better health care, better nutrition (at least among the SHTFPlan readership, I hope!)
Right now, I think this should be on everyone’s radar screens, but no need to panic. On the other hand, I cannot figure out why, for the life of me, people won’t go out and spend $15 on 100 nitrile gloves and some hand sanitizer or isopropyl alcohol, at minimum. If you don’t buy that, you may want to also consider saving money by not buying car insurance, medical insurance, etc.
I agree: it is chalk and cheese between Africa and the West, so it is irresponsible for the CDC and others to claim the disease profile will play out the same. I smell NGO money-making opportunities here. They are expert at shaking down Western governments for cash and the dumbed-down population for charity donations.
Hygiene and sanitation and cultural practices are on another level there. All these things contribute to disease spreading quickly. The death rates so far do not even come close to how many die just from the sh#ts, car accidents etc. As in, this is not an abnormal death threat for Africans beyond what they already experience from AIDS, malaria, war, civil violence, terrorism, shistosoms, etc. etc.
Just think I said this the other day. Why in the HELL would you take two people with EBOLA to the East Coast and one to the Midwest? Just asking.
Now we are looking At EV-D68, Which I believe it came from the children form South America. My Question is what the Hell else did they bring?
Just saying!
Sgt.
Sgt. Dale says:
Comment ID: 3224693
September 12, 2014 at 5:37 pm Just think I said this the other day. Why in the HELL would you take two people with EBOLA to the East Coast and one to the Midwest? Just asking.
Now we are looking At EV-D68, Which I believe it came from the children form South America. My Question is what the Hell else did they bring?
Just saying!
Some one wants those diseases in America,it may come to pass that one day anyone who looks like a turd worlder might be terminated as a precaustion against disease.
Whatever happens I’d just as soon be ready! Get what you need now. If everything shuts down to contain it you’ll be stuck in your home and unable to go out to get anything. You can sit here and argue about casualties and how many are going to happen today. In the meantime if you’re prepared you can tough it out,increase your adds and chances.
HOME LAND SECURITY WARNS – AMERICA WILL LOSE POWER
Weather by an EMP or CME or a Grid Down Terrorist Attack or even if we are ravaged by Ebola WE WILL LOSE POWER and soon. And No matter how we loose power WE COULD BE IN THE DARK FOR YEARS, EVEN FOREVER
I can show you how to prepare for such an event and when you lose power you will be sitting in your home with lights and power. I live in a large 5 bedroom home that is all electric with a big chest freezer and 3 teenagers who all have large TV’s, DVD Players, Game Consoles and more. My smallest power bill was $67.00 and my average is about $100.00 per month. When I loose grid power to my home the only way I can tell is by looking at the street light across the street to see if it’s lit or not.
I have a 12 volt system that charges a bank of batteries and from that I run almost all my house lights, inside, outside and in my basement. I have a 12 volt coffee pot, a 12 volt Evaporative “Swamp” Cooler to cool my home, a 12 volt alarm clock and a 12 volt electric blanket to keep us warm on cold winter nights. I even have a 12 volt Plastic Pail Hot water heater to make me FREE hot water from wasted energy that would otherwise be dumped and wasted. I even have an Aquaponics set up that grows fresh fish and fast vegetables to eat and that is powered by 12 volt as well.
(This is NOT a Grid tie system, this system works independently of your grid power).
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Never figured by going to the Doctor can be signing my own death warrant. Imagine if it spreads by the homeless. Many within the underground transportations systems of major cities.
If our government is as forthcoming with the statistics of the financial health of the nation, then we should not worry about the medical well being.
Like Obama Care.
Dead bloody bodies in the street will make believers out of us all.
What Ebola? Have you seen any photos of symptoms, bleeding through eyes or nose, blisters? Are you accepting what the MSM is telling you, or what your politicians are hawking? 70% of Liberians have cell phones and internet. Liberia is one of the Ebola outbreak zones…why is nobody sending ANY Ebola photos? Not body bags…anybody can die and be put in a body bag! Not busy hospitals…there are many reasons why hospitals might be busy.
Go to Google. Type in Pictures of Ebola patients.
Get all you want.
US State Department has put a bid out for 160,000 medical suits. Hmmmmmm.
Over at Steve Q.
Hopefully those are for deployment in Africa.
Hopefully…
One thing not getting much attention about Ebola yet is the deadly ripple affects it will have on other contagious diseases. With healthcare workers dying in the hundreds and people avoiding hospitals, I wouldn’t be surprised if parallel plagues start to hit.
@slingshot-
I saw that too! Things that make you go hmmmmm.
US State Dept Orders 160,000 Ebola HAZMAT Suits – What Do They Know That We Don’t Know?
According to this new press release excerpted below from Lakeland Industries, released just hours ago, the US State Department has just ordered 160,000 Ebola HAZMAT suits, leading conspiracy theorists to ask, what does the US State Department knows that we don’t know?
The newly released video below from Paul Joseph Watson and PrisonPlanetLive answers that question succinctly; according to top virologists and doctors, Ebola could go airborne, killing millions.
RONKONKOMA, N.Y., Sept. 12, 2014 /PRNewswire/ – Lakeland Industries, Inc. (LAKE), a leading global manufacturer of industrial protective clothing for industry, municipalities, healthcare and to first responders on the federal, state and local levels, today announced the global availability of its protective apparel for use in handling the Ebola virus.
“Lakeland stands ready to join the fight against the spread of Ebola,” said Christopher J. Ryan, President and Chief Executive Officer of Lakeland Industries. “We understand the difficulty of getting appropriate products through a procurement system that in times of crisis favors availability over specification, and we hope our added capacity will help alleviate that problem. With the U.S. State Department alone putting out a bid for 160,000 suits, we encourage all protective apparel companies to increase their manufacturing capacity for sealed seam garments so that our industry can do its part in addressing this threat to global health.
If it hits Mexico City, millions will flee in panic straight for the US boarder and good gringo healthcare. It would be like a zombie movie with masses flooding the boarder, bringing the illness with them. FEMA camps would overflow. got preps?
Socrates.
The chances of Ebola arriving in the States has increased in the past couple of weeks. One focal point is the time it takes for the disease to burn itself out.
Even if we imposed a quarantine on ourselves, after a short time, many would roam the streets again. Many people do not have the discipline to follow simple rules.
We have watch crowds of people run for available Sec.8 housing. The latest toy at Wal-Mart for Christmas. Riots over injustice and even sports games. Uptick in crime to consider also. So how are they to behave in a real crises?
Consider you have to defend yourself in an Ebola outbreak. You shoot an intruder and kill them. Now you have to either leave him there on the spot and smell the stench or expose yourself to sickness and bury him.
Something to think about.
Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates
http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html
“without direct contact”
West Nile, Hiv / Aids, Ebola….. Africa is a petri dish.
Very coincidental.
glass it boom
Why did the U.S. Government patent the Ebola virus in 2009?
http://animalsclubfreedom.typepad.com/nationaldogpress/2014/09/why-did-the-us-government-patent-the-ebola-virus-in-2009-and-.html
What about laundry workers that handle infected bedding and clothing? Are they burning the bedding? Or washing it with other hospital items?