We Can’t Win Against Iran If We Don’t Go Nuclear

by | Aug 17, 2010 | Headline News | 37 comments

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    Drudge Report and Fox News both ran featured articles in the last 24 hours about former U.N. ambassador John Bolton’s statements suggesting that if Israel did not disable Iranian nuclear reactors within 72 hours, that they will have lost their chance. The comments seemed to be an attempt by Bolton, who is now a mainstream talking head, to incite a confrontation in the middle east. Of course, the chances that anyone will make a military decision based on Bolton’s opinions are almost nil. If Bolton is right, however, then we may soon be dealing with a nuclear Iran. And at that point, a preemptive attack becomes more complicated.

    According to Gwynne Dyer, whether or not an attack happens now or later, there’s no way for the U.S. to win a non-nuclear war with Iran:

    When Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the highest-ranking American officer, was asked recently on NBC’s Meet The Press whether the United States has a military plan for an attack on Iran, he replied simply: “We do.”

    But what the planning process will have revealed, in this case, is that there is no way for the United States to win a non-nuclear war with Iran.

    The U.S. could “win” by dropping hundreds of nuclear weapons on Iran’s military bases, nuclear facilities and industrial centres (i.e. cities) and killing five to 10 million people, but short of that, nothing works. On this we have the word of Richard Clarke, counter-terrorism adviser in the White House under three administrations.

    In the early 1990s, Clarke revealed in an interview with the New York Times four years ago, the Clinton administration had seriously considered a bombing campaign against Iran, but the military professionals told them not to do it.

    “After a long debate, the highest levels of the military could not forecast a way in which things would end favourably for the United States,” he said. The Pentagon’s planners have war-gamed an attack on Iran several times in the past 15 years, and they just can’t make it come out as a U.S. victory.

    The problem is that there’s nothing the U.S. can do to Iran, short of nuking the place, that would really force Tehran to kneel and beg for mercy.

    There are some 80 million people in Iran, and although many of them don’t like the present regime they are almost all fervent patriots who would resist a foreign invasion. Iran is a mountainous country, and very big: four times the size of Iraq. The Iranian army currently numbers about 450,000 men, slightly smaller than the U.S. Army—but unlike the U.S. Army, it does not have its troops scattered across literally dozens of countries.

    If this is truly the case, and conventional war game scenarios have come up empty, then this explains President Bush’s, Obama’s and the Israeli’s delays.

    Though it would no doubt bode well for the military industrial complex, perhaps leaders of all states have, for now, decided to postpone military action, but fully realize that a conflict is inevitable at some point.

    There may be a variety of reasons for this delay, most of which border on the conspiratorial idea that politics, economic crises, and wars are planned events and are controlled by global elites, i.e. “the powers that be.”

    Perhaps the powers that be have yet to accomplish whatever goals need to be met prior to an Iranian invasion. According to Dyer, we can’t win a conventional war. So, that means any invasion of Iran will likely have to go nuclear. And if this is the case, then we’re talking about a serious possibility of World War III, and the powers that be may not be ready for that just yet.

    The middle east theater of war would not be limited to just Iran. There are several other players, all of whom are nuclear, with skin in the game – and they may not be interested in the same goals as those who we might call TPTB.

    North Korea may just decide that this would be a perfect opportunity to cross the DMZ and level South Korea, which it could probably due in a matter of hours or days. China may make a move to take over Taiwan. And then there’s Russia. The current leadership in Russia is from what one could call “the old school.” These were top players in the Russian KGB and political circles prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union, and don’t think for a second they’re not still pissed off about the U.S. winning the cold war. That and the fact that Western banks and financiers collapsed the ruble and nailed Russia for roughly $300 billion in losses in the late 90’s. And neither Russia or China is prepared to sit idly by while the US moves to control pretty much the entire middle east’s resources and minerals.

    There is a lot that could go wrong with any conflict with Iran. If we know this, then so does the leadership in the US, Europe and Israel. If war game scenarios have, in fact, shown that we can’t win against Iran without going nuclear, then we can expect the US and other coalition countries to execute the attack with the nuclear first strike option. All hell may very well break loose – on a global scale.

    Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.


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      1. Yes of course,
        and expect the atomic attack to be hidden just as the Gulf of Mexico fiasco, the monetization of U.S. Debt, the deterioration of the US economy and the takeover of America by the financial elite.

        The fascist/Zionist controlled media will offer spin and the sheeple Americans will lap it up as reality.

        Good Article Mac ….. this next week will be most interesting.

      2. The article by Dyer presumes that destroying the Iranian nuclear facilities with conventional weapons is insufficient as the Iranian regime will merely rebuild the program. It seems to me that is a perfectly acceptable outcome if you’re an Iranian neighbor looking at the rise of a rogue  nuclear  state next door – delay is good.

        In fact I’m slightly confused as to the point of the article . It seems to maintain that nothing short of the complete destruction of Iran would solve the perceived problem. This perspective is apparently extracted from some military planners in the 90s not liking their percentages in a conventional war against Iran ( I wonder what they had to say about Iraq). Yet obviously the author is not condoning a preemptive, devastating nuclear attack on Iran.

        Which leaves me to conclude the article is merely asserting the author’s view that there is no point in attacking Iran over their nuclear program under any circumstances. I found this argument to be extremely flimsy and likely nothing more than a disengenuous attempt to wrap a pacifist worldview with ‘strategic’ camouflage.

      3. Comments…..All due respect to drudgereport.com and fox.com, but I read about this on daily-ops.com first.  Anyway, I have been noticing that people are becoming more aware about what is goin on: politically, militarily, economically, environmentally and I think the consensus is that something’s gotta give . . .and not the taxpayers this time…

      4. I too, am confused. Haven’t we already been down this road (unsuccessfully) about “rogue state”, “weapons of mass destruction”, “unstable leader in the region”, ect. While I understand that past results don’t guarantee future results, why are we taking this old path again? How does this make America a better place? I realize the upper level executives of Halliburton, Bechtel, Exxon, Shell, Golman-Sachs (oil put-options), and a few more will make out well. What about the rest of America?!? Is this all we are?

      5. SD Mule,

        This has nothing to do with the rest of America – other than providing the cannon fodder that the industrial- military complex periodically requires.

        However that we know we have been deceived makes it more difficult for them to act anew, regardless of any necessity of said action. That’s not a value judgement on the Iranian situation, merely a broad-brush assertion that political/ military decisions will be severely constrained going forward.

        Consider it used to be believed that America was a nation that didn’t start wars, we finished them. Talk about yer 180.


        Yer right except that the taxpayers ALWAYS gotta give….

      6. Are you kidding?  The Fairy-in-Chief would have to concede that his winning the meaningless Nobel peace prize was a farce.   I bet Putin is highly amused by the Kenyans’ predicament, and ready to help the Iranians as revenge for what we did in supporting the Taliban against the Russians in their earlier Afghan war.  Barry Soetoro is a liar and a fraud foisted onto the American people by the likes of Warren Buffet, Hollywood, and other liberal pieces of shit in this country.     He deserves the troubles he now has.  You wanted the job Barry, you got it, you fool.

      7. The American Taxpayer has nothing left to give, tax revenues are down all across the country and many states are already on the verge of bankruptcy; California is ready to start isssuing IOUs instead of checks again. The federal government’s latest stimulius to the states, 26 billion, helped to save some teacher’s jobs for another year …… but what happens next year?

        The real ‘MONSTER‘ waiting in the wings are the high saleries, very expensive ‘Cadalac’ quality benefits, and the underfunded pensions of the federal, state, and local governments owe their employees, both past and present. When it finally gets to the point that the various governmental entities have to start laying them off by the thousands at all levels and there isn’t money left to even pay their pensions or even their unemployment benefits ….. this is when the ca-ca really hits the overhead ventelation system.

        No matter which way we turn …… society in general is ‘hosed’. The elites of the world have almost achieved their stated objective, the complete and total destruction of the United States. Now there is no one left to oppose the implementation of their dream of a ‘one-world-government’ and total control of the world’s entire economy.

      8. maybe I’m a bit dense here (okay, no maybe about it), but wouldn’t several teams of delta/Force Recon snipers be ‘easier’ than nuking the entire country? I mean, if they believe what they say – that the higher leadership is the problem, not the people… save the nukes for NK. They might actually spruce the place up a bit…

        Personally, i don’t see why Iran shouldn’t have nukes any more than the US or Israel, but that’s for a different thread…

      9. Actually america has done many military planning scenerios  for the last 15 years .Unfortunately the result is we dont come out of a War with Iran as a winner but just a break even .Yes we kill a lot more of them but in the end it wont be concisive .They said for us to win ,we would have to kill at least 5 milllion Iranaians  .The best way to do that is a Massive Attack that includes the use of nucular missles.the reports also said that there would be mass casualities of americans  because most of the military basis arounf Iran can be hit with there missles and they are targeted on them as well as closeing downt he Stright in the Gulf, which would make oil go to 200 bucks a Barrell in a few weeks .This will globally effect many Nations  and for the most part the World View of america is one of a bully that keeps building military over the world for its own  empire . 

      10. Utterly amazing the comments that have resulted from this post. No one will win a war with Iran, except those that supply everything from bullets to body bags. It is a DIVERSION to move your attention from the problems they can’t seem to fix, like the economy and unemployment. Wars create incredible wealth, if you haven’t read http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html by Major General Smedley Butler, then I suggest you do so. It will help to open your eyes to the fact that governments, war, and it’s primary sponsors, are the only real problems here. The US government is currently led by such thoroughly inept clowns, they’ll probably think they are doing a service to humanity by turning Iran into a parking lot, but it will unleash far more than they bargained for…There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.. Get yer beans, bullets and band aids ready, cuz it’s coming whether you like it or not.

      11. The US won its earlier victories by superior logistics, by having more tanks, planes, ships. Logistics is the only thing that matters in modern warefare.

        Nuclear weapons are logistics and having made so many, at such great expense, it is only logical that they be used at some point of desperation. I am sure if WWII had not ended when it did a lot more bombs of the nuclear ilk would have been dropped to secure victory.

        There will be a nuclear war in the future, nothing to prevent it really.

      12. Listen to all of the subtle Zionist propaganda regrading Iran.
        “Nuclear Iran” (that means that they can generate electric and can sell their oil instead of burn it).
        Iran is a signatory to the NNPT which authorizes them to do just what they are doing,enrich uranium to electric grade,build plants and make electricity.
        Israel refuses to sign the NNPT and they actually have nuclear bombs.
        Israel refuses to allow inspections of its plants.
        Under the Symington amendment,the US is not allowed to give financial aid to nations that have nukes and don’t sign the NNPT,that is why Israel (and the US government) is reluctant to admit to their possession of nukes.

        This would be funny if it weren’t for the fact that the US is shedding the blood of its youth and the money as well trying to keep Iran from doing what they have every right to.

        “According to Gwynne Dyer, whether or not an attack happens now or later, there’s no way for the U.S. to win a non-nuclear war with Iran:”

        LOL!  We can’t even win any war because there’s too many rules to follow. The US doesn’t have the cajones to drop anything on Iran nuclear or nonnuclear. We have a doofus in the White House who is a muslim, and antiAmerican.  Israel won’t do anything either.  Muslims have already shown that death to them means nothing as they have virgins waiting for them in heaven.    We are pu$$ies.

      14. @Dave — See War Is A Racket above…it’s a money thing, Dave! We have been hearing that Iran will have nuclear weapons in five years for the last twenty years! Without doubt they have them by now by simply purchasing them. I would be safe in saying the bozos in our government have known this forever too and are simply using the nuke plant as a potential trigger to kick the whole thing off. The boyz in the district of criminals are simply doing what they have always done when they can’t get out of a depression — they start a war! The question at hand now is, what are you doing to prepare for yourself and family? It is going to happen and its going get a whole lot worse before it even begins to get worse.

        “When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.” – Thomas Jefferson

      15. Hey, I’ve got a novel idea for our “Iran” problem!  Let’s ask Israel to give up it’s nuclear arsenel with verified inspections.  Their ownership of a couple hundred warheads is the major reason Iranian leadership feels they deserve ownership also.  In my book, it’s hard to argue that they don’t….
        In addition, all the major powers convene and begin reducing their nuke supplies eventually to zero.  Stickler is Pakistan and North Korea but leadership changes, times change and it’s the only sane course to work towards.
        It doesn’t take cajones to start the ‘final’ war.  Just an oversupply of chickenhawks like those that helped push us into Iraq and are always willing to have someone else do the fighting.  I’m speaking of the sloths like Bolton who needs his tongue permanently removed! 

      16. I don’t get why an attack should happen. They take for granted that Iran is going nuclear, they take for granted that an attack is imminent, and they take for granted that Israel is being threatened.
        So what?
        What if we leave Israel to face its destiny? If Isrealis have the guts, let them create their own war and let them win (or lose) this war.
        Finally the last 50 years or so, the most violent country in the region is Israel and certainly, not Iran.
        But they don’t have the guts. Do you remember some years ago when Israel attacked Lebanon trying to pursue the Hezbolah army?
        The Israelis were defeted by a gang of fanatics with AK47 and RPGs.
        So i don’t think that a war is close. (my humble opinion of course).

      17. america is broke. it can’t even afford to attack the “shining stars day care center” in orlando florida. now they’re contemplating an attack on iran (again). seems to me that something is dreadfully wrong when you have to defend a way of life by borrowing money to murder women and children half way around the world and once in a while murder  your own (tillman) then lie and lie covering it up. then somewhere along the way we have the tonkin gulf lies and the wmd lies.


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      19. This is all very interesting but it is not gonna happen.  We will not go to war with Iran.   This is all bluff and bluster.  

      20. The economy is getting better also.

      21. Let’s hope the US and the fucking jews are stupid enough to attack Iran. Earth needs a good war to eliminate the excess population of jews, muslims, and christians.

      22. Great article and tons of excellent responses.  Everyone has a good point one way or the other.   I pray to God that this never happens.  There won’t be a good ending if it does.   The world is most truly a screwed up mess.  The end is near!  Please pass the butter…….

      23. Dave- Had I written a comment to this article it would have almost been identical. Just the facts-

      24. Dave:  Move to California or Iran.  Drug use is legal in the first one & blog on CNN if you made the first choice.  Have you ever seen a scud missle hole & blacked out windows with a gas mask on your hip?  Don’t answer that…..  If you made the second choice, let us know how that worked out.  Take pm with u.

      25. Patriot, thank god assholes like you don’t control anything but your rate of defecation!

        Camel Fucker, LOL , a camel is the only thing that will let a loser like you get laid.

      26. Am,Your comment about drug use makes no sense,so it’s fitting that you are in the “Lets bomb Iran” camp.
        There are 25,000 Jews living in Iran,the largest concentration of Jews in the ME outside of Israel and the majority VOTED FOR ACHMEDINEJAD in the presidential elections.
        If the leader of Iran is “hitler” and “hates Jews”,why on earth have the Iranian Jews refused the bribe money from Israel(actually US taxpayers) to emigrate?
        Could it possibly be that the whole thing is propaganda by the US and Israel to destroy another one of a perceived enemy of Israel?.
        How long have you been a hasbara for Israel?

      27. My how the conversation has deteriorated since I last read this thread…

        As previously said, it’s a diversion – plain and simple. It is obviously working, they want to get you to stop thinking about the real problems, which will soon be your only problem — survival. I don’t know about all of you, but I’ve been around the block a time or two, and have figured out there are no winners in a war. Worse yet, TPTB simply have no skin in the game, so it’s all profit for them…win or loose (you never see their son or daughter coming home in a box). The only way Obummer and gang can get what’s left of Amerika out of the gutter to suck it completely dry by the time his term is over is to add yet another war to the list. After all, we’re struggling to sustain the other two we’ve currently got underway, but what the hell, there are a huge number of young-and-dumb unemployed kids that just can’t wait to become fodder. Only this time it just might backfire on them. I will only speak for myself, but I’m gettin’ real tired of extending the congresscritters in the district of criminals the credit of my great, great grand children. More importantly, I’m gettin’ real tired of them killing people in my name, simply for fraudulent reserve notes, private jets and limos. I was just wondering if anyone else out there is interested in pulling the plug on them? Please don’t tell me to vote in November, and I won’t tell you where to…well, you know.

        Get yer beans, bullets and band aids stocked, cuz times a coming when you’re gonna really need them!

      28. this was in a “best of craigslist”, last year, i believe:  i’ve sent this multiple times to people.   it’s pretty spot on.

        There are so many reasons that frankly, it’s hard to pick a place to start:

        First of all…..when 28% of you brain dead fucking morons give a blithering IDIOT like Sarah Palin positive approval ratings and think she ought to run for president in 2012, it really makes me sick to know I am lumbered with that many mouth-breathing Cro-Magnons I unfortunately have to consider as my fellow countrymen….trust me…..I don’t. You motherfuckers are beyond help.

        And before you go thinking this is a “liberal” based rant…..that brings me to one more item on an ever-lengthening list.

        This “Liberal” versus “Conservative” paradigm that so many of you simple dunces buy into…..as BOTH parties sell you out to the multinational corporations, banks and special interests that actually run Washington D.C.)…..you do this STUPID dance every day, blithely detatched from the reality that YOU YOURSELF are helping to DIVIDE AND CONQUER the nation, as you myopically beat your little Hannity/Olberman drum of FUTILE self -righteous indignation. PATHETIC.

        THIS is a nation of PUSSIES AND FUCKING COWARDS. If this nation had any BALLS WHATSOEVER, there would be a trail of DEAD MEN SWINGING FROM THE ENDS OF ROPES leading from AIG, thru WALL STREET, the not-so “Federal” reserve, the 9/11 commission, and right through every other set-up con-job you people just buy into like a bunch of CATTLE BEING LED TO SLAUGHTER.

        It’s not that Americans don’t give a fuck…..every misled, misdirected group that goes out and crusades for the “Grand Cause” they think is responsible for the decimation of this ONCE great nation proves that…..the problem IS that the problem ISN’T illegal aliens (i.e. Minutemen) or Democrats in Washington (i.e. Teabaggers) or conservative policies (i.e. Code Pink)…….the problem is …… AMERICANS THEMSELVES.

        AMERICANS have sat on THEIR ASSES while Washington and the Pentagon have BANKRUPTED THE TREASURY and sent our sons and daughters into MEAT GRINDERS in Iraq and Afghanistan for WMD’s and connections to 9/11 that did NOT EXIST and even AFTER the overwhelming evidence that the intel was “swept all up” (doctored, falsified, unreliable) you STUPID SHEEP keep buying into the BRAIN DEAD notion that somehow, these wars are for the FREEDOM of America.

        You’re an IDIOT. They’re wars for EMPIRE.

        Your son’s and daughter’s BLOOD is being used as OIL to grease an evil, out of control WAR MACHINE….Your money and financial security is being DEVOURED by Wall St. and the Federal Reserve, with collusion from YOUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, and your standard of living is slowly eroding into a two-class system as the middle class is being FORCED INTO EXTINCTION……

        ……and you do NOTHING to stop ANY of it.

        You ignorant FOOLS who send shotgun Emails to all your friends warning of “death panels” and other such HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY PROPAGANDA, yes, you friggin’ GOMERS actually think the Health Insurance Industry has your best interests in mind, and it’s “dat mean ol’ gubmint” that wants to penalize you by providing your family health care that isn’t profit-based.

        MEDICARE only got passed because it effectively REMOVED the highest-risk group to the insurance providers (the elderly) from the ‘pool’ of prospective insurees, thereby minimizing their financial exposure. It’s completely lost on most people that catastrophic illness is the main reason for personal bankruptcy….and that 75% of those who had to file HAD health insurance.

        And this is the ‘status quo’ many of you are defending. You are BEYOND dense.

        America has lost it’s HONOR, as well as it’s collective senses. I don’t wish upon America any malice or catastrophe…..trust me, this is happening with assistance and collusion from the top down, not from some Arab in a cave. I just want to leave peacefully and live in a place that doesn’t have leaders that hope for a “catastrophic and catalyzing event” to promote a war agenda that takes pride in kicking the shit out of unarmed peasants living in the dirt….then blames them for retaliating. Can’t wait to see this dysfunctional madhouse in my rear view mirror.

        When you abide by a system of government that you FULLY EXPECT will side AGAINST YOU and WITH corporate lobbyists (MANY of whom represent interests that are not even from the USA) who BRIBE THEM WITH BALES OF CASH….and are working 24/7 to maximize their profits and minimize their potential competition in the marketplace…..all at the expense of you and your family….and don’t lift a FINGER to do ANYTHING TO CHANGE IT……you fucking DESERVE WHAT’S COMING. What might that be…..?

        Think Germany and the treaty of Versailles…..when a wheelbarrow full of Deutschmarks is what it took to buy a MEAL.

        WHEN the dollar collapses…..not IF, WHEN…..THAT’S when you’ll really begin to see the true definition of FASCISM. The unity of government and corporations to economically and militarily control it’s people. History WILL repeat itself….but if you’re like so many of the morons in the USA who think they’re so smart but don’t know SHIT…..it will all be NEW TO YOU. Good luck…..you’ll need it.

        This is the most ARROGANT nation in EXISTANCE, second only to ISRAEL….and since ALL of our politicians are falling over backwards to kiss Israel’s ASS on a daily basis, fully knowing that exposing any inconvenient TRUTH about them equals political SUICIDE….that and the mass media in America that feeds it’s daily ration of BULLSHIT is controlled by individuals biased towards them as well….ANYONE who thinks they know what is going on because they read TIME magazine and watch CNN, FOX news OR MSNBC…..you are DELUSIONAL.

        One nation under God….? What a JOKE.

        MONEY is God here pal….even people who are reading this who hate the words I typed KNOW this is true. What does it say in your bible about the love of money? The root of all evil, no?

        How DARE this nation question human rights abuses of other nations after Abu Ghraib and countless other bombing and torture campaigns, where it was stated it is passable to crush the testicles of young boys in front of their fathers to extract information.

        How DARE this nation deign to be the world’s nuclear police when WE are the only nation to ever USE NUKES.

        MOST of you actually consider Palestinians as TERRORISTS, when it is THEY who have been occupied, imprisoned behind 25 foot high concrete walls and denied basic human decency by APARTHEID ISRAEL. Those of you who get your info from American media REMAIN IGNORANT OF THE TRUTH.

        You’re probably wondering if I’m some Arab, or other person hostile to “America’s Freedoms” lol…. Yeah, you’re really free here…….

        Free to go BANKRUPT if you get sick, even if you HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.

        Free to vote on DIEBOLD voting machines that can flip elections and leave no paper trail.

        Free to watch your life savings DWINDLE AND EVAPORATE into the pockets of the ROBBER BARONS you PATRONIZE.

        Free to watch your JOB get shipped to CHINA….and then you fucking FOOLS buy the goods PRODUCED FORM THOSE JOBS at Wal Mart, further REWARDING AND ENCOURAGING businesses to CONTINUE this pattern. I have never bought a fucking THING from Wal-Mart, and if you have…..you are a simple, stupid FUCKSTICK.

        You’re free to be video monitored, photographed by the millisecond at traffic light traps, electronically surveiled, searched with no warrant, shaken down and partially disrobed at airports, free to be told how much shampoo you are allowed to carry in your luggage, free to buy processed foods that give you cancer, genetically altered vegetables that contain neat things like INSECT DNA, free to pay more than ANY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET for pharmeceuticals, free to be the pharmaceutical company’s guinea pig for drugs that have potentially catastrophic side effects, free to have PUBLIC POLICY DICTATED TO YOU by government ‘officials’ that have dual citizenship with ISRAEL, free to have ANY MEANINGFUL TRUTH WITHHELD FROM YOU by the mass media……

        …..and free to be one of the ONE OUT OF EVERY HUNDRED AMERICANS living in PRISON.

        Land of the free, home of the brave??

        More like land of the SHEEP and home of the SLAVE.

      29. Well, Rouge2, I’d say that just about covers it.  Wish I could be that eloquent when I try writing all those things down.

      30. Rogue2:  So shitbag, which way did you vote?

      31. i voted Ron Paul.


      32. rogue2 – so go ahead and leave.  go to some other country where everything is just right for you.  good luck……..

      33. Shitbag, I did too!  David was the one slinging rocks.

      34. Comments…..NUCLEAR POWER DESTROY,S YOU ,R

      35. i live in vermont.  i’m pretty close to living in another country already.  slinging rocks is ok.  we’re all entitled to our opinions, which are as harmless as virtual rocks anyway.

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