There Will Be Blood: Public Unions Vs. The Unorganized Taxpayers *Video*

by | Jun 3, 2011 | Headline News | 52 comments

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    The latest micro documentary from Daniel Vision Victory and Crush the Street is bound to get tempers flaring – on both sides.

    With cities, states and the Federal government facing serious budgetary problems, cuts are going to have to be made. We can expect, then, that any such cuts that will affect public union members will be countered by mass protests and potentially riots. As the documentary points out, organized unions are a burden on the system, with government officials regularly bowing to demands for more money, benefits and pensions. The end result, which apparently union members don’t realize, will be the opposite of what they are trying to accomplish. Not only will public  union members pay the price, so too will the private sector:

    After years of politicians signing off to Union demands, let’s see how union states stack up to right to work states. According to the BLS, over the last 10 years, right to work states’ private sector growth has increased by 40%. Meanwhile, union states saw their private sector grow by just 17%. When you look at production (19% vs. 17.5%), job growth (17.6% vs. 8.9%), economic growth (41.6% vs. 33.5%) it all favors the right to work states.

    When looking at the financial condition of all 50 states it is no coincidence that the states with the highest union membership are in worse condition than the states with the lowest union membership.

    A few weeks ago our federal government hit the Congressional Debt Ceiling, which meant we could no longer borrow money by issuing debt. What was the first thing Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner did to fund necessary expenditures? He dipped straight into union pensions. This was a foreshadowing of what will come in the very near future.

    Regardless of what union members think, the end result of their continued demands for more benefits and the pillaging of private sector US taxpayers will lead to the money they earn being worth less, their health care benefits being significantly reduced (via universal health care policies), lost jobs, and the real possibility that their pensions will be wiped out.

    We’re not blaming this financial crisis solely on unions, but the negative economic impact on our fiscal and economic situation cannot be ignored.

    Analyst Meredith Whitney, last year, forecast that two million government jobs would be eliminated during this depression. This is already happening, as 750,000 government employees have already lost their jobs. Governments are bloated and broke, and it is not mathematically possible to pay public union members what they think they’re worth. There will be much more pain to come.

    There will also be blood, because union members seem to be disconnected from reality. We can expect more protests, and potentially riots if the governments have to raid their pensions, benefits and wages to cover budgetary gaps.

    Watch the Video: Public Unions Vs. The Unorganized Taxpayers: There Will Be Blood


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      1. Best VIDEO EVER!!! I needed this.


          • Reminds me of a quote:

            “The wise adapts himself to the world, but a fool tries to adapt the world to himself.

            Therefore, all of human progress depends on the fool.”

            • Odd Questioner said:

              “all of human progress depends on the fool.”

              – If what you say about progess is true, then we would still be in the dark ages, and technology would never find its way.

              “a fool tries to adapt the world to himself.”

              – It’s not the fool that I worry about, that’s why he is “a fool.” It’s the sneaky ones who do the damage.


            • Odd Questioner said:

              “all of human progress depends on the fool.”

              – If progress depends on the fool as you said, then we
              would still be in the dark ages. And technology would still be around the corner.

              “a fool tries to adapt the world to himself.”

              – It’s not the fool that I worry about, that’s why he is a fool. The sneaky ones are the ones that do the damages, and history will tell you that.


            • “If progress depends on the fool as you said, then we
              would still be in the dark ages.”

              And when you consider that most pioneers in science and technology were considered fools…?

              Point from here is simple, and can be made with a question: What is a fool, really? 😉

              I do agree with the fact that the sneaky we will always have with us. It’s human nature, after all (albeit human nature gone awry…)

            • At the beginning you said:

              “all of human progress depends on the fool.”

              1. I disagreed and responded with: “If progress depends on the fool as you said, then we would still be in the dark ages.” That means we do have advanced technology and science.

              2. Then you came back and proved my point when you said:
              “And when you consider that most pioneers in science and technology were considered fools…?
              Point from here is simple, and can be made with a question: What is a fool, really?”

              That’s exactly what I said — Really? and we are not in the dark ages, so therefore our progress is not led by the fool.


          • Hermann Hesse (1877 – 1962):

            “Every human being is a unique individual. Any attempt to replace the personal conscience by a collective conscience does violence to the individual and is the first step toward TOTALITARIANISM…..”

      2. Why didn’t you compare everything?
        Standard of living, Poverty rate, Unemployment rate, etc.
        Its a two way street so look at both sides.

        • I’m sorry your public union job is at risk, but don’t be upset, figure it out and adapt before all public union workers are looking for private sector jobs with you.

          Easier to bail now when you’ve been warned then with the rest of the herd when you’re kicked out. Just saying.

      3. Why should any citizen, part of a union or not, want to give up anything while those at the top get bailed out? At least the unions are fighting. Suppose you get citizens together to fight for their rights. What would you call that? If your neighbor has more rights than you then you should fight for the same rights, not take them away from him.

        • “At least the unions are fighting.”

          For what, exactly?

          I see them demanding bigger paychecks, I see them demanding better benefit packages, but I don’t see them “fighting” for anything these days, other than bills/laws which fit leftist ideology and expansion of their own powers as organizations.

          A century ago, unions were a very necessary thing. Even today, some jobs that are dangerous or hazardous can still use an organization that defends to workers from bad/worse conditions.

          OTOH, I’m sorry, but since when did retail store employees need unions? When did government workers(!?) need unions? What was so freakin’ horrible and life-endangering at the city assessment clerk’s office, that the drones there suddenly needed a collective voice?

          To be honest, the absolute need for most unions died off back in (approximately) 1970. Now they’re just a drag on the economy.

          I’ve been in good unions before, don’t get me wrong. However, I haven’t had the need for union membership for nearly 20 years. Yes, you read that correctly.

          If I want a better paycheck, I ask my current employer for a raise, bringing in comparison salaries for equivalent jobs in the area. If the employer says no, I go work for another employer who will give me that better paycheck (case in point, I just negotiated for an accepted an offer that will add $15k to my annual salary, but the workload is only 75% of what I’m doing now.) If I have to relocate in order to do that, so be it.

          If work conditions aren’t up to my liking, I ask if these conditions can be improved. If they cannot, I seek and go work for someone who can provide better conditions.

          I have left employers over these things. In roughly half the cases, I usually get a counter-offer on the spot (hint: never accept them if you’re serious), or a phone call a few months after I leave, when the former employer realizes to their horror that no one else wants (or is capable of doing) the job for that salary either.

          The difference here is that *I* am my voice. I don’t need someone strike-threatening organizer to do it for me.

          Hint: Man-up, and forge your own path. Do the work, and keep an eye out for what others get paid for the same work. Constantly improve your skills, and make yourself more valuable.

          • Well said! If you have a problem, whether wages, co-workers, work load etc. You always have the option of finding another job, where they’ll take better care of you.

      4. Unions are nothing more than big business themselves. Unions have reaped millions if not billions of FRN’s from the membership. Let them pick up the tab for the lost bennies!

      5. “””it is not mathematically possible to pay public union members what they think they’re worth.”””

        That’s a big part of the problem. The corpgov employees believe they are worth more because they work for the mothercorp. If they were paid on the value of what they provide to society, most would end up owing money to the People.

        “””if the governments have to raid their pensions”””

        What do you mean if the government HAS to raid their pensions? It can do it if it chooses too, but it does not have to do it. It really doesn’t matter if they do it claiming to cover the debt ceiling or not, the fact is it is money there to be stolen and they will steal it. I pity those who put it there for being such suckers for so long.

        Unions are a natural result of corporate abuse. The corps screw the individual, so there is no other way for a corporate slave to fight back.

        Back in the day businesses were run by Men, and employed Men in a fair and honest way.

        I worked for an old man in the 1980’s that had been in business for almost 50 years. He lost more employees to dying than quitting. When I started there were 7 employees that had been there for more than 25 years, out of about 12 employees total. Three had been there for 40+ years, no one less than 5 years but me.

        When he finally retired in his mid 80’s, he sold the business to a corporation. The first thing they did was come in and get rid of the long time employees that did not retire with the old man. It was pathetic.

        We don’t need unions, we need Men who can operate companies free of corporate influence and obligation. We had it long ago, and we will have it again once the corp kills itself. That, of course, will also kill the unions along with the need for one.

        • This is also true.

        • Exactly.

        • Hey, most of the dollars in your pocket involved ponzi. Most of us produce nothing of true value.
          Austerity bitches and it will affect EVERYONE.
          Game’s over, fat lady is warming up with scales, in the key of F.

      6. All of this is a symptom and their taking the peoples eyes off the ball.

        Before the “Free Trade Agreements” and the great evisceration of US industry we had sufficient funds to pay government workers, private pensions and pay the mortgage.

        • Yep!

      7. Good distinction between public and private unions. Crush The Street got his one right!

      8. As a member of a public employee Union, I’m appalled at how the leadership tries scares the Union membership. The issue is simply we do not have the money. Either we cut spending and some people will be able to keep their jobs or we continue with the present madness and nobody has anything.

        I don’t know it seems so simple.

      9. this is a distraction from the bigger picture, a red herring. This is exactly what TPTB want, fighting between unions and no unions. This is the same as a left right argument IMO

      10. Thank goodness for our Founding Fathers. They were certainly far-sighted (with just a touch of astigmatism)
        I keep hitting the ‘refresh’ button but still I’m stuck in 2011 with a crappy economy, lying weasel politicians, corporate media, taxes out the wazoo, and grouchy in-laws. Plus my botox is wearing off and I’m getting uglier by the minute. My course of action is clear: I’m gonna break all the mirrors and buy a new computer!
        And some questions- what exactly is a wazoo? How did all those taxes get in there? Should one wear latex gloves when removing them? Is it painful? Do the wazoo taxers have a union? Since we all seem to have taxes out the wazoo, maybe we could start an organization…the National Wazoo Clearing Party or something. I think the Constitution gaurantees our right to a clean wazzo doesn’t it? Article 29, Section 44, Sub-paragraph 11…And I quote “A clean and properly functioning wazoo being necessary to the health and well-being of the citizenry, The right of the peoples wazoos to be free of excessive taxes and regulations shall not be infringed…”
        Now, if I can just find something in the Constitution about these danged in-laws!

        • Time for your co-pilot to go on the road w you & lock the door. Get ADT & a roll of crime scene tape.

      11. hey look im a firefighter/emt in a large city in this great country and former MARINE,i contribute 9.5% of my pay every two weeks toward my pension ,i havent missed a beat.however the local government has not been keeping up with its end for willing to give some more but these politicians have to be held accountable,remember i have to work 30 yrs to receive 70% of my pay and no social security, the politicians work one term and most get a pension for life, so whos the real problem?oh and by the way if i were to retire today with 30yrs id make about $40,000 thats not alot, im not the enemy.

        • Your right, your not the problem..its who you give that money to that is

      12. Ain’t that da truth.

      13. This video explains the big distinction between public unions and private unions but it is lost on those whose ideology blinds them to facts. When a private union negotiates there are two factors that temper their demands. The first, and most obvious, is management. Management must represent the owners to ensure they receive a fair return on their capital investment. (Many times those owners are also employees).

        The second factor is that, unlike government, business must entice the customer to purchase their product over the competition’s. One way to encourage the consumer is to provide value at a good price. On the other hand government simply demands that the “customer” buy their “service” without regard to price, quality or value. Failure to “purchase” the government service results in confiscated homes or loss of freedom.

        The founders of the NLRB in the Roosevelt Administration were quite aware of this fatal difference and had the good sense to prohibit collective bargaining by those paid from the public treasury. It is unfortunate but the unavoidable result is that the taxpayer that has lost 100% of their income will not be sympathetic to the overpaid, underworked catsup viscosity tester.

        • Good post, and very true.

          I can attest to the existence of good unions out there. OTOH, I can also attest to some that just need to die off.

          • New term I am trying out lately ” Government Supremicist ” Anybody who lives off the government teat in any way shape or form either by check or freebees. They stick up for the government no matter what as long as they get their sustenance and too bad for you if you are not part of that big happy klan.

      14. hmm … panocracy. pan: whole, general, involving all of a specified group. Nearly every primary home in the U.S. has a telephone. Most have cable television or internet. Have you ever watched a television program where you voted for the contestants? Called a number or voted for a performer online? The technology to do that has been in place for years.

        Politicians are about power. Theirs over us. At our expense. Doesn’t matter which politician. That is a constant. Why do we need politicians?

        Why can’t there be a panocracy? Switzerland is governed by referendum. Twenty-six mostly autonomous cantons. They’ve been free for hundreds of years to a degree that would terrify the sheeple. National policy, like foreign relations, is the province of their federal government. The cantons and cities decide everything else.

        Most important Swiss decisions are made by referendum. If the people are deciding how do the lobbyist mosquitos stick their beaks in? If the people decide, how do slime-dripping weasels become career politicians to lord it over us forever?

        Their governments are much streamlined compared to ours. Fewer people trying to live at everyone else’s expense. And they are at least as prosperous and free as we are. And a minimal “defense” establishment. A battle rifle in every home and a general staff that could fit inside a SUV.

        It’ll never happen because too many people have their beaks in the public blood stream for it to change. Too many people benefit from government as parasite.

        Just saying it doesn’t have to be that way.

        Source: the CIA’s country summaries and Swiss govt websites in English. Panocracy idea from an anarchist friend of mine.

      15. How does this video not have a million views? I hate how anytime something that totally attacks the mainstream is supressed, even by sites I like, like drudge. I emailed to my 2 favorite sites, one news (drudge) one blog (zerohedge) and both for some reason haven’t shared it.
        I’m so glad that when it comes to finding this type of stuff, Mac gets it out there. Thanks Oh, and F the public unions 🙂

        • “How does this video not have a million views?”

          …because it doesn’t contain cats or naked women.

          (You had to ask? 🙂 )

      16. Right. It’s the federal government worker and the state government worker and the local city worker at fault because they chose a career that promised them for 30 plus years exactly what everyone (who was awake) knew they were going to get. Let’s screw them all and steal their pensions now afrer they’ve worked all these years. Meanwhile let’s ignore the fat cat wall streeters who made money screwing all of us with bizzare financial products designed specifically to seaparate all of us from every nickel we have. Let’s also ignore the welfare queens who have child after child after child and cannot support any of them. Let’s also ignore the career politicians who allowed this mess to develop over 30 years and they get get to keep their pensions and any “extras” their “wallstreet friends” donated to them while they screwed us (can you say Chris Dodd?).

        There you go, you screw people who actually worked all those years to give money the money they earned to lazy baby making machines, slick 2000 dollar suit wearing banksters and corrupt politicians who sold down the river.

        Now go tell the next generation of workers to work for crap wages and expect nothing, that way they won’t be disappointed.


      17. As usual the point is entirely missed.

        Scott walker wants to
        1) Get rid of collective bargaining so he can contract out services done by former government employee’s to private industry, automatically increasing prices and reducing services.

        2) He wants to sell any taxpayer assets he wishes to whomever he wishes for whatever price he wishes with no oversight.

        What is going on in WI is is nothing more then a fascist power grab by the corporations utilizing their little puppet in the govornors mansion.

      18. As usual the point is entirely missed.

        Scott Walker wants to
        1)Get rid of collective bargaining so he can contract out services done by former government employees to private industry, automatically decreasing prices and increasing services.

        2) He wants to sell any taxpayer assets he wishes to whomever he wishes for whatever price he wishes with no oversight.

        And you expect folks to believe this preverication?

        What is going on in WI is a popularly elected governor is trying to destroy the monopoly that public employees have used to rape the taxpayers.

        If the NEA built cars we’d be driving Yugos.

      19. A UNION is only as strong as its American members. Unions stand up for your pay, benefits, vacations, holidays, medical benefits, and self sanity. If you call working at Mcdonalds, Walmart, or Kmart a job thats where child slavery comes to effect but your the child. The powers to be have cut the foundation right out from under the American people. Were already past the point of no return. The powers to be are forming you into 3rd world China wages. Wake up America. Fight for AMERICAN RIGHTS.

        • Unions are the reason why 20 million manufacturing jobs left America since 1976.


          Unions my ass.

      20. this vdeo is a bunch of of B.S.,put the blame where it belongs,on the WALL STREET JEW BANKERS!

      21. can we make the distinction between public aka federal unions and private unions? because in my [humble opinion] this sounds like a plan to put the word union in peoples mouth and make it sound bad on purpose! that being to cast a bad light on unions in general! leading the way for abolishment for all unions.then the public unions can call themselves somthing else, and still get tax payers money! but now labor or private unions will be gone. setting up a work force who has no say in the amount of pay,the hours worked or job security. no time and a half, no hours worked restrictions,no sick days,no benifits, no pension, retirement,ect. just a thought.

      22. Clear

      23. Union reps and their membership are scum sucking parasites,

        as are anyone collecting taxpayer money,

        as are the tens of millions of illegal aliens.

      24. Dear Troops:

        Yesterday — Memorial Day — some people asserted, once again, that you are “defending our freedoms” overseas.

        Nothing could be further from the truth. Those people are just repeating tired old mantras. The reality is that you are not defending our freedoms with your actions overseas. In fact, it is the exact opposite. Your actions overseas are placing our freedoms here at home in ever-greater jeopardy.

        Consider your occupation of Iraq, a country that, as you know, never attacked the United States, making it the defender in the war and the United States the aggressor. Think about that: Every single person that the troops have killed, maimed, or tortured in Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

        Yet, the countless victims of the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq have friends and relatives, many of whom have become filled with anger and rage and who now would stop at nothing to retaliate with terrorist attacks against Americans.

        Pray tell: How does that constitute defending our freedoms?

        It was no different prior to 9/11. At the end of the Persian Gulf War, the troops intentionally destroyed Iraq’s water and sewage facilities after a Pentagon study showed that this would help spread infectious illnesses among the Iraqi people.

        It worked. For 11 years after that, the troops enforced the cruel and brutal sanctions on Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. (See “America’s Peacetime Crimes against Iraq” by Anthony Gregory.) You’ll recall U.S. Ambassador to the UN Madeleine Albright’s infamous statement that the deaths of half-a-million Iraqi children from the sanctions were “worth it.”

        By “it” she meant the attempted ouster of Saddam Hussein from power. You will recall that he was a dictator who was the U.S. government’s ally and partner during the 1980s, when the United States was furnishing him with those infamous WMDs that U.S. officials later used to excite the American people into supporting your invasion of Iraq.

        The truth is that 9/11 furnished U.S. officials with the excuse to do what their sanctions (and the deaths of all those Iraqi children) had failed to accomplish: ridding Iraq of Saddam Hussein and replacing him with a U.S-approved regime.

        That’s what your post-9/11 invasion of Iraq was all about — to achieve the regime change that the pre-9/11 deadly sanctions that killed all those children had failed to achieve.

        No, not mushroom clouds, not freedom, not democracy, and certainly not defending our freedoms here at home. Just plain old regime change.

        In the process, all that you — the troops — have done with your invasion and occupation of Iraq is produce even more enmity toward the United States by people in the Middle East, especially those Iraqis who have lost loved ones or friends in the process or simply watched their country be destroyed.

        In principle, it’s no different with Afghanistan. I’d estimate that 99 percent of the people the troops have killed, maimed, or tortured in that country had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

        Why did you invade Afghanistan or, more precisely, why did President Bush order you to do so?

        No, not because the Taliban participated in the 9/11 attacks and, no, not because the Taliban were even aware that the attacks were going to take place

        President Bush ordered the troops to invade Afghanistan — and, of course, kill Afghan citizens in the process — because the Afghan government – the Taliban — refused to comply with his unconditional extradition demand. You will recall that the Taliban offered to turn bin Laden over to an independent tribunal to stand trial upon the receipt of evidence from the United States indicating his complicity in the 9/11 attacks.

        Bush responded to the Taliban’s offer by issuing his order to the troops to invade Afghanistan, kill Afghans, and occupy the country. In the process, U.S. officials installed one of the most crooked, corrupt, and dictatorial rulers it could find to govern the country, one who is so incompetent he cannot even hide the manifest fraud by which he has supposedly been elected to office.

        In the process of installing and defending the Karzai regime, the troops have killed brides, grooms, children, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, uncles, aunts, cousins, friends, and countrymen, most of whom never attacked the United States on 9/11 or at any other time. They simply became “collateral damage” or “bad guys” for having the audacity to oppose the invasion and occupation of their country by a foreign regime. (It should be noted for the record that U.S. officials considered these types of “bad guys,” as well as Osama bin Laden and other fundamentalist Muslims, to be “good guys” when they were trying to oust Soviet troops from Afghanistan.)

        Was there another way to bring bin Laden to justice? Yes, the criminal-justice route, which was the route used after the 1993 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.

        That’s right. Same target, different date. In fact, the accused terrorists — Ramzi Yousef in 1993 and Osama bin Laden in 2001 — were ultimately located in the same country, Pakistan.

        In Yousef’s case, he was arrested some three years after the attack, brought back to the United States, prosecuted, and convicted in federal district court. He’s now serving a life sentence in a federal penitentiary.

        No invasions, no bombings, no occupations, no killing of countless innocent people, no torture, no war on terrorism, and no anger and rage that such actions inevitably would have produced among the victims, their families, and friends.

        In bin Laden’s case, we instead got a military invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, where the troops have killed, maimed, tortured, and hurt countless people who had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

        How in the world have your invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq defended our freedoms here at home? Indeed, how have the assassinations and bombings in Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, and who knows where else defended our freedoms?

        All these things have accomplished is keeping foreigners angry at us, thereby subjecting us to the constant and ever-growing threat of terrorist retaliation here at home. As I have pointed out before, the U.S. military — that is, you, the troops — have become the biggest terrorist-producing machine in history. Every time you kill some Iraqi or Afghan citizen, even when accidental, ten more offer to take his place out of anger and rage.

        That’s the same thing that was happening prior to 9/11. In fact, there were some, including those of us here at The Future of Freedom Foundation, who were warning prior to 9/11 that unless the U.S. Empire stopped what it was doing to people in the Middle East (including the deadly sanctions on Iraq, the support of Middle East dictators, the stationing of U.S. troops near Islamic holy lands, and the unconditional money and armaments to the Israeli regime), Americans would be increasingly subject to terrorist attacks. On 9/11, we were proven right, unfortunately. (See Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire by Chalmers Johnson.)

        How does the constant threat of terrorist retaliation arising from your actions in Iraq and Afghanistan make us freer here at home, especially when you — the troops — are responsible for engendering the anger and rage that culminates in such threats, owing to what you are doing to people over there?

        Consider also what the U.S. government does to our freedoms here at home as a direct consequence of the terrorist threat that you, the troops, are producing over there. It uses that threat of terrorism to infringe upon our freedoms here at home! You know what I mean — the fondling at the airports, the 10-year-old Patriot Act, the illegal spying on Americans, the indefinite detention, the torture, the kangaroo tribunals, Gitmo, and the entire war on terrorism — all necessary, they tell us, to keep us safe from the terrorists — that is, the people you all are producing with your actions over there.

        In other words, if you all weren’t producing an endless stream of terrorists with your invasions, occupations, torture, assassinations, bombings, and Gitmo, the U.S. government — the entity you are working for — would no longer have that excuse for taking away our freedoms.

        This past Sunday, the Washington Post carried an article about American wives who were recently greeting their husbands on their return from Afghanistan. Newlywed Anne Krolicki, 24, commented to her husband on the death of one of her friends’ husband: “It’s a pointless war,” she said.

        That lady has her head on straight. She’s has a grip on reality, doesn’t deal in tired old mantras, and speaks the truth. Every U.S. soldier who dies in Iraq and Afghanistan dies for nothing, which was the same thing that some 58,000 men of my generation died for in Vietnam.

        Please don’t write me to tell me that you all are good people or that you’re “patriots” for simply following whatever orders you are given. All that is irrelevant. What matters is what you are doing over there. And what you are doing is not defending our freedoms, you are jeopardizing them


        Jacob G. Hornberger
        The Future of Freedom Foundation

      25. Some of us here would like to water board you harry.




        Then there’s this:

        “…the decline in economic growth in forced unionism states (-2.42%) was 0.76% worse in 2009 than the decline in right-to-work states (-1.66%)… The three top states with the highest growth in 2009 were all right-to-work states…”

        Also, in the private sector, I think it’s consumers who decide what level your wages will be, not some union demands.

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