Startling Evidence That Central Banks And Wall Street Insiders Are Rapidly Preparing For Something BIG

by | Aug 17, 2012 | Headline News | 487 comments

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    If you want to figure out what is going to happen next in the financial markets, carefully watch what the insiders are doing.  Those that are “connected” have access to far better sources of information than the rest of us have, and if they hear that something big is coming up they will often make very significant moves with their money in anticipation of what is about to happen.  Right now, Wall Street insiders and central banks all around the globe are making some very unusual moves.  In fact, they appear to be rapidly preparing for something really big.  So exactly what are they up to?  In a previous article entitled “Are The Government And The Big Banks Quietly Preparing For An Imminent Financial Collapse?“, I speculated that they may be preparing for a financial meltdown of some sort.  As I noted in that article,more than 600 banking executives have resigned from their positions over the past 12 months, and I have been personally told that a substantial number of Wall Street bankers have been shopping for “prepper properties” this summer.  But now even more evidence has emerged that quiet preparations are being made for an imminent financial collapse.  That doesn’t guarantee that something will happen or won’t happen.  Like any good detective, we are gathering clues and trying to figure out what the evidence is telling us.

    Why Is George Soros Selling So Much Stock And Buying So Much Gold?

    I am certainly not a fan of George Soros.  He has funneled millions upon millions of dollars into organizations that are trying to take America in the exact wrong direction.

    However, I do recognize that he is extremely well connected in the financial world.  Soros is almost always ahead of the curve on financial matters, and if something big is going to go down George Soros is probably going to know about it ahead of time.

    That is why it is very alarming that he has dumped all of his banking stocks and that he is massively hoarding gold.  The following is from….

    In a harbinger of what may be coming our way in the Fall of 2012, billionaire financier George Soros has sold all of his equity positions in major financial stocks according to a 13-F report filed with the SEC for the quarter ending June 30, 2012.

    Soros, who manages funds through various accounts in the US and the Cayman Islands, has reportedly unloaded over one million shares of stock in financial companies and banks that include Citigroup (420,000 shares), JP Morgan (701,400 shares) and Goldman Sachs (120,000 shares). The total value of the stock sales amounts to nearly $50 million.

    What’s equally as interesting as his sale of major financials is where Soros has shifted his money. At the same time he was selling bank stocks, he was acquiring some 884,000 shares (approx. $130 million) of Gold via the SPDR Gold Trust.

    Why would you dump over a million shares of stock in major banks and purchase more than 100 million dollars worth of gold?

    Well, it would make perfect sense if you believed that a collapse of the financial system was about to happen.

    Earlier this year, George Soros told the following to Newsweek….

    “I am not here to cheer you up. The situation is about as serious and difficult as I’ve experienced in my career,” Soros tells Newsweek. “We are facing an extremely difficult time, comparable in many ways to the 1930s, the Great Depression. We are facing now a general retrenchment in the developed world, which threatens to put us in a decade of more stagnation, or worse. The best-case scenario is a deflationary environment. The worst-case scenario is a collapse of the financial system.”

    It looks like he is putting his money where his mouth is.

    Perhaps even more disturbing is what he believes is coming after the financial collapse….

    As anger rises, riots on the streets of American cities are inevitable. “Yes, yes, yes,” he says, almost gleefully. The response to the unrest could be more damaging than the violence itself. “It will be an excuse for cracking down and using strong-arm tactics to maintain law and order, which, carried to an extreme, could bring about a repressive political system, a society where individual liberty is much more constrained, which would be a break with the tradition of the United States.”

    That doesn’t sound good.

    George Soros has told us what he believes is going to happen, and now he is making moves with his money that indicate that he is convinced that it is actually about to start happening.

    But he is not the only one that has been busy accumulating gold.

    Billionaire John Paulson (the one that made 20 billion dollars on the subprime mortgage meltdown) has been buying gold like crazy and his company now “has 44 percent of its $24 billion fund exposed to bullion.

    So why are Soros and Paulson buying up so much gold?

    Central Banks Are Also Hoarding Gold

    According to the World Gold Council, the amount of gold bought by the central banks of the world absolutely soared during the second quarter of 2012.  The 157.5 metric tons of gold bought by the central banks of the world last quarter was an increase of 62.9 percent from the first quarter of 2012 and a 137.9 percent increase from the second quarter of 2011.

    Prior to 2009, the central banks of the world had been net sellers of gold for about two decades.  But now that has totally changed, and last quarter central banks stocked up on gold in quantities that we have not seen before….

    At 157.5 metric tons, gold buying among central banks came in at its highest quarterly level since the sector became a net buyer of the precious metal in the second quarter of 2009, data in the organization’s quarterly Gold Demand Trends report show.

    So why have the central banks of the world become such gold bugs?

    Is there something they aren’t telling us?

    Rampant Insider Selling

    Wall Street insiders have been dumping a whole lot of stock this year.

    In my previous article, I linked to a CNN article from back in April….

    First quarter earnings have been decent, if not spectacular. And many corporate executives are issuing cautiously optimistic guidance for the rest of the year.

    But while insiders’ lips are saying one thing, their wallets are saying another. The level of insider selling among S&P 500 (SPX) companies is the highest in nearly 10 years. That is not good.

    A lot of insiders appear to be getting out at the top of the market while the getting is still good.

    Other insiders appear to be bailing out before the bottom falls out from beneath them.

    Just check out what has been happening to Facebook stock.  It hit another new record low on Thursday as insiders dumped stock.  The following is from a CNN article….

    Facebook’s life as a public company has been a nightmare from day one, and the pain continued on Thursday as some company insiders got their first chance to dump shares.

    Facebook stock hit a new intra-day low of $19.69 Thursday morning, and ended the day 6.3% lower at $19.87.

    Sadly, Facebook has now lost close to half of its value since the IPO.

    Will Facebook end up being the poster child for the irrational stock market bubble that we have seen over the past couple of years?

    Overall, retail investors have been very busy pulling money out of stocks in recent weeks.

    The following are the net inflows to equity funds over the past five weeks (in millions of dollars) according to ICI….

    7/11/2012: -537

    7/18/2012: 637

    7/25/2012: -2,999

    8/1/2012: -6,866

    8/8/2012: -3,684

    According to the figures above, more than 10 billion dollars has been pulled out of equity funds over the past two weeks alone.

    So does this mean anything?


    Maybe not.

    But it is very interesting and it bears watching.

    Why Does The U.S. Government Need So Much Ammunition?

    In my previous article, I also noted that the U.S. government appears to be very rapidly making preparations for something really big.

    This week, it was revealed that the Social Security Administration plans to buy 174,000 hollow point bullets which will be delivered to 41 different locations all over America.

    Now why in the world does the Social Security Administration need 174,000 bullets?

    And why do they need hollow point bullets?  Those bullets are designed to cause as much damage to internal organs as possible.

    But of course this is only the latest in a series of very large purchases of ammunition by U.S. government agencies.  The following is from a recent article by Paul Joseph Watson….

    Back in March, Homeland Security purchased 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage, prompting questions as to why the DHS needed such a large amount of powerful bullets merely for training purposes.

    This was followed by another DHS solicitation asking for a further 750 million rounds of assorted bullets, including 357 mag rounds that are able to penetrate walls.

    Now why in the world would the government need over a billion rounds of ammunition?

    If it was the U.S. military I could understand this.  You can burn through a whole lot of ammunition fighting wars.

    But this makes no sense – unless they believe that big trouble is coming.

    Personally, I wouldn’t blame them for getting prepared.  Our economy continues to fall apart and there are signs of social decayeverywhere around us.

    The American people are more frustrated and more angry than at any other time in modern history.  This upcoming election is only going to cause Americans to become even more angry and even more divided.

    All it would take is just the right “spark” to cause this country to erupt.

    It could be the upcoming election.

    It could be the collapse of the financial system.

    Or it might be something else.

    But the conditions are definitely there for it to happen.

    Unfortunately, the American public is never told to prepare because authorities never want “to panic” the general population.

    We are always the last to know, and that stinks.

    So don’t wait for someone to come on the television and announce that a crisis is happening.

    If you wait that long, it will be too late.

    Instead, open up your eyes and think for yourself.

    We all need to work hard to get prepared for the coming crisis while we still can.

    As you can see, Wall Street insiders, the U.S. government and the central banks of the world are busy getting prepared.

    Don’t put your head in the sand.

    The warning signs are there and time is running out.


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      1. …first thing to do is prep….

        • 1st; Soros is making moves to influence a bull run. If others follow him to paper gold (the price rise has already started) when the price gets high enough, he’ll dump quickly. Taking others investments, making a killing in prophets and then watching all those that jumped in lose as the prices crash.
          Collapse? Soros and the banks are the puppet masters of the collapse. I believe, that which is happening, is a last ditch effort (of the financial elite) to lessen the amount of wealth in our hands and increase the number of those in debt.

          • Talked with a nonprepper yesterday concerning much of what we have been reading here the past 2 weeks. He actually said “what can you do?”. I shared that we are losing our liberties/freedom. Again, he says “If I loose mine so is everybody else.”. This is a 50 year old and a vet.
            Asked him if he’d fight to protect his daughter if leo’s came to take her away (Germany, Russia,and China had this happen)? No, he’d fight them in court. Living to fight another day.
            My point: people can’t get it through their heads; we loose at that point. If there is nothing worth dying for then there isn’t anything worth living for either.

            • @ DRD5508,,,I had the exact opposite experience. A guy I’ve been trying to wake up for a year, read about the National Weather Service, Social Security, ASDA and the Homies buying all that ammo. He called me to accompany him to a gun shop. He came out with an excellent assault rifle, ammo and spare mags. This guy is a combat veteran and will be a real asset now. No joke, I spent a full year talking to him, and the internet convinced him.

            • Thumbs up Swift. We do get to reel in a few from time to time.

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            • “Fight it in court”!? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!

            • DRD5508- I know these people will not fight and stand up. I know he is older but I cant believe that he would just try to get her back in court. Guess what, they are the system and you wont get her back! They will pass some law. the only way this is going to happen is the way we want things to happen. Of course martial law will be put out. We are not going to follow it. They are going to try and round us up into our homes and any people out at night arrested and whatever done with. People and you DHS watching this, we will not stand down. We will fight for our freedom and we will never just roll over for you. I dont care if you know who I am, you wont find me and I have many guns hidden in 5 different locations so good luck trying to track me, I will have a fake beard on for your precious cameras to track my curves on face recognition and hat etc. Wont have cell phone anywhere for you to track. You can waste many resources on just one person idiots. We will not stand down, if anything you dont want this you government idiots that are breaking the laws are about to break the law. We are not terrorists! You are if you do this!!

            • @DRD5508 It’s “lose”, not “loose”. 😉

          • DRD5508,

            Soros is an evil, master manipulator, your conclusion makes perfect sense to me. This rotten, heartless, vile old man is a world player and he plays to win, his greatest pleasure is not in the winning, but watching others loose.

            • ” his greatest pleasure is not in the winning, but watching others loose.”

              Totally agree with you. He is a sadistic individual that relishes in the demise of others. God, hasn’t this man lived long enough!

            • I betcha he has plans to be freeze dried against the day science can restore his sorry ass. There are loads of people who believe in that sort of thing; but most can’t afford the cost.

            • Liberty Alert: Small Doses of Martial Law

              “Clearly, the stage is being set for the imposition of martial law.”

              He cites a number of recent examples of “military training exercises” in the U.S. … “the training is more to train the American public.”

              “The collapse — or what I call the Great Reset — is coming. The elites are preparing for it by stocking up on weapons and inoculating Americans into acceptance of military rule.”


            • Swift, He can come over and get in my freezer. I’ll make sure he isn’t thawed out too early. wink and a nod.

            • Reverend !
              And no sidewindin , bushwackin, yellow bellied, crocker croaker is gon-a take my biscuit cutter!

            • You retard. It is “lose.” Funny how IQ and conspiracy theories are negatively correlated.

          • Note the shutdown of various nuclear power stations across US recently. Germany have shut theirs down too. EMP?

            Maybe the trillions spent on intelligence has revealed something bad is coming.

            • @ me – michigan has one shut down for “leaks”
              what other plants are being shuttered ?
              they could be strategically weakening the grid .

            • No, they’ve spent trillions on planning something bad…

          • “I believe, that which is happening, is a last ditch effort (of the financial elite) to lessen the amount of wealth in our hands and increase the number of those in debt.”

            Does this mean I think like Soros? 🙂
            Actually I’m one of the good guys, but I’ve been thinking in some of those terms, IE got out of debt, and purchased what I could afford in PMs. Those of us who can afford it should do what they can to get into the metals, and get debts paid off. The better one’s personal financial position, the better one will weather the storm.

            • ScoutMotto, you are one of the good guys. Seeing through Soros and thinking like him are two different things.
              Remember the saying: Know your enemies.

            • “Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.”-Sun Tzu

          • Soros also said in the interview (not quoted here) after those riots and things, “hopefully to be followed by a New World Order”. Note the “hopefully”. They DO NOT KNOW THEY WILL SUCCEED. It is OUR job to make sure they do not.

            Nobody is in debt to the banksters, in reality. What is our defense from this FINANCIAL attack? To break the banks now, before they break us.

            QUIT PAYING THEM IMMEDIATELY. Quit paying your mortgage, credit cards, cars loans, student loans, taxes, and anything else denominated in the bankster currency TODAY.

            Keep whatever wealth you have or are able to create NOW. I don’t care how scared you may be. I am too. It will be far better if we break them on our terms than to let them break us on theirs.

            Use that wealth to prepare your defenses, ensure your food supply, convert it into something useful the banksters do not control while you still can.

            We will be given a definite CALL TO ACTION.

            When you hear of military locking down ANY major city FOR THE FIRST TIME, go to your Sheriffs Office and Police Departments, with 100’s ( or as many as you can round up) of others ARMED TO THE HILT if possible, and take it over. Invite them to stand with us. Put them in the cells if they do not. Confiscate in the name of the People ALL of it’s weaponry, tanks, radios, vehicles, fuel, etc.

            It is, after all, the Peoples. Physically occupy EVERY armed agency building and take their weapons before they can be used on us. If they resist, you know what side they are on.

            Commandeer the TV stations, and the radio stations, and start broadcasting the truth of what is happening on every channel or station. The People can handle the truth, but they must know what it is. It will be the job of those awake to make sure the others have access to it when they awaken. Let them know what is at stake if the corp is allowed to come into YOUR city, and ask that the come down to help out.

            Don’t initiate violence, but respond to it if initiated against your group.

            I fear the time is drawing near. We must have a plan. They sure do.

            Don’t fight them in the streets AFTER they have deployed against us. We will lose that fight. But we can “nip it in the bud” and take over their headquarters before they are able to get that far.

            I would like to think we have some more time. I could certainly use it, even just three months would put me in a much better situation. But we may not.

            I say again that there will be a CALL TO ACTION. But only one WHEN THE FIRST CITY IS LOCKED DOWN. If we do not act at that time, it will be too late. Listen for it. Hear it. And most importantly, ACT ON IT.

            If we do not have time, we must have courage to buy time with. Our only hope is to disable and disarm the local threats, one city or small town at a time.

            • I would like to think you will be heard and followed. However, the reality is – you’re gonna be scoured, red thumbed and possibly ‘turned in’. There are those here who agree with what you just said. And those, if honest, are scared to death of what you just wrote because we know it’s true and prophetic in nature.

              Please understand that I am not trying to demean anyone or cause discontent – however – the truth of the matter is just as scary. That truth being, how many of us REALLY would do what you said above? How many of us would lead such a, for a lack of better term, radical adventure? I would hope I would. I think I would. I have prepped for such a SITREP response. But………

            • Best post you’ve ever made, GC!

            • Anon and GC, the plan is a good one. The GC plan will/would work if followed through, because we’d be on the offense and they’d be on the defense. The only problem will still be the unlawful hordes and gangs.
              Would anyone here be ready to enforce the law? The Law being the Constitution.
              I’m not trying to discourage anyone, only throw caution to the wind. The hard part is; are you able to pull the trigger?

            • GC: No collapse, but if there were a “collapse” and you lived in NYC, Detroit, Chicago, St Louis, Newark, Charlotte, etc …. a lock down (martial law) would be the BEST thing that could happen for the decent citizens that live there.

              Your groups of armed citizens should report to their local sheriff’s office to be deputized and support their local government. In Maricopa County AZ, Sheriff Joe has a large posse, if needed, for just such an occasion.

              The GB’s (and Soros) are preparing for the re-alignment of Europe and war with Iran. It will get sticky all around. War creates chaos, chaos creates unintended consequences.

              De-leveraging will continue for the foreseeable future in the USA. That will require QE 3 and 4.

              Change is not collapse, but it will be painful for many. It will not affect everyone equally. Location will determine the extent of your crisis.

              In my part of Arizona WE will throw another steak on the bar-bee and pop another top while WE channel surf to view the reports from LSM.

            • GC,
              You cannot break the banks that way.
              They will simply be propped up with more freshly printed digital money.
              I now understand the power of the printing press.
              They should have collapsed in 08.

            • I would need to go to the sheriff’s office with hundreds, because if I went alone to try to convince them to honor their oaths, I’d be shot on sight. Because of my activism, over two decades, I’m well known to every level of law enforcement. My only claim to popularity is the amount of time and resources law enforcement spends keeping tabs on me. Most, hate my guts. (I get misty just thinking about it!) Still, I’ll do my duty when the Call comes. Good of you to put into print what I feel MUST be done.

            • I fully expected a lot of thumbs down for my post. That many understand is cause for hope.

              Still, there are a couple of responses to address.

              First, thanks Daisy.

              Second, DK still insists that nothing is going to happen if we just sit tight and wait for them to come. While he may have a good Sheriff, most counties do not. They have sold out and become militarized in preparation for fighting us if we revolt against it’s military toy supplier. The last thing we need is good people lining up to support the enemy through being deputized by compromised Sheriffs.

              At NO TIME IS A U.S. MILITARY INVASION THE BEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO AN AMERICAN CITY. The thought that it could be is what the corp has been trying to plant in the peoples head for a few years now. DK can buy into it if he wants to, but I NEVER will.

              If things get out of hand, they can call in civilian police from the surrounding area. The states own National Guard can defend the people from within and assist to restore order if that becomes required. That is their job, as well as the job of every able bodied Man. The US military will always be acting as a foreign invader on the streets of the Republic. That’s the Law and they had best uphold it.

              These psychopaths will try it once, and if they get away with it will do it again in every other city, one at a time, even if they have to incite the riots that give rise to it. We have but one chance to say NO MORE. That is upon the FIRST deployment of the military on the streets of an American city.

              DRD, most will not be able to pull the trigger. A good man can not MURDER another man, no matter what uniform they wear that they may feel gives them the authority to do it.

              However, when backed into a corner, the survival instinct will require them to do something and that will over rule their fear and disgust of doing it. Once they understand that it is a war against them and their families, I believe that many will be able to do what is required instinctively. It is no longer MURDER, it will be killing in self defense and God will forgive you for that.

              Slick, there is an old adage that goes kinda like this: If you owe the banker $10,000 dollars, he owns you. If you owe him 10 million dollars you own him.

              Yes, the banks can be broken through mass nonpayment and I believe we would be far better off if we did that than to wait for them to do it to US on their timeline. Odds are, they will do what they can to get the guns out of our hands first, so their plan must be thwarted by crashing them while we are still a well armed militia as intended by the founders.

              The banks were not in a crisis in 2008. The PTB were not ready to collapse the system because we are still heavily armed. Why the pretend crisis? China wanted their money back for the fraudulent bonds they had been sold. To accommodate their demand, 700 Billion was stolen in broad daylight to make that happen under the guise of a financial crisis. If all was promoted as being well, they could never have done that.

              The banks were not going to fail, China was going to come get their money one way or another.

              I don’t claim that my idea is perfect. It will require a lot of people doing what they can not imagine at this time.

              I do not advocate going in and shooting the Sheriff. The arms are a show of support should he choose to defend the people against a foreign invader. If they choose not to, then they need to be removed from office forcefully and incarcerated for their crimes against the Constitution until the people are able to restore order on their own. Then he can have a fair trial by jury.

              We will have a Call to Action and I hope enough can hear it and act on it. All I wanted to do was to get out some guidelines as to what is important. These “law enforcers” have the weapons the people need to defend their communities and we can not allow them to be turned against us.

              The propaganda machine must also be stopped and become a source of truth.

              If we can accomplish those two thing immediately upon the first invasion of ANY city, we can and will win the war. If we do nothing but wait for them to come to our city, we will all lose.

            • God creation, yes that is your best post that you ever wrote!! proud of you. But for me, im going to pay in case in doesnt happen just in case, still going to prep and got all my gear ready to rock and roll with no fear but a feeling of excitement! I know many of you are scared and you have every right to. I’m different and ready to do my job, what I trained for. But Im a protector type with people and children- to help them not to be taken away or hurt whoever that may be. But as for checkpoints im a aggressor in a big way and will be ready to take down anything besides a tank in the area. Great Post!!

            • Well put…people have to have a plan..a plan of action BEFORE the thing breaks open…if youre not somewhat prepared(mentally/strategicly/physicly) then youre not gonna get ready likely…again well spoken!

            • WHOA! GC, Thats gotta be one of the best posts I’ve ever read. 52 thumbs up, no thumbs down. We have parallel thought patterns on many things this being one of them.

            • GC: Its not that I don’t think that the NWO PTB will not try (eventually) to confiscate OUR guns; I just don’t think they will try to do it without “legal justification”.

              That “legal justification” can only come with the dissolution of the US Constitution and the merging of the USA into the NAU with Mexico under UN auspices.

              Now is not that time. The NWO must pacify Syria and Iran, isolate Russia, and solidify Europe before confronting America Patriots.

              This is why I encourage people to “ENGAGE”.

              Now is the time to take political control of America again. It doesn’t matter if you believe the “Corp” is legal or not.

              The reality is that the NWO controls the Administration of American government and their positions in office lend them legitimacy. If not US, who? If not now, when?

              There is still time. Engage America, engage.

            • Quit paying the banks to break them? Sorry bud, the thugs in government will just print up some more money to save their sorry asses.

            • Ranger, if you remember a few months back I mentioned recovering some funds wrongfully taken under an IRS levy through Praecipes to the Clerk of Court.

              I am finally able to see well enough (chalazions suck) to work on them and my papers are very near completion. That project is now my top priority. They will likely be mailed within the next 3 to 4 weeks(or sooner). Results should be made known within 30 days thereafter.

              I will keep you posted and post the results here. When you see that posting, let me know and I will send you the documents.

            • GODS CREATION=Please don’t bitch and whine when you find out you won’t be getting SS because you think you have beaten the system with your bullshit tactics that will come back to haunt you when you become an old fart or when you get audited. Oh, and that includes Medicare. So when you get brain cancer and your balls fall off, don’t whine that you don’t have insurance because of your stupid financial tactics. God would never create a stupid asshole like you, only Satan would.

            • I FULLY agree with your call to action plan. Altho I have a better one of course no listens to me.Why wait for this and allow it to even happen if these idiots would wake up and realize what is happening under their noses and everyone in this country or at least half would all unite and gather on the WH lawn in proteset none of this would or could even happen. But it just seems everyone is farm too much a slave to the corp. system or far too cowardice or even care to do or attempt anything to stop this from happening.It offends,discusses,angers,and dissapoints me at what we have allowed or country to become. The founders of this country have stood up and stomped in their graves for what we have allowed what they blead,died,and killed for to become. I say it is High Time we stood up and accually did something about it. (comming from a prepper) Prepping due to govt. Meltdown/problems is unnessary if you don’t allow your govt. to continully make your decisions for you and run unchecked!!

            • I agree with so much of what you’re saying, but whats been running through my mind and many who are of a like mind, is what to actually do. This armchair warrior stuff is all great, but, the pen is not really mightier than the sword (or gun) as the case may be. We have to find, physically who we are of a like mind, stand and be accounted for, at least to each other, to carry out any such plans. We must rally these forces now and prepare and make plans. However, finding enough people who will stop being complaisent and beleive this is serious enough to warrent action, and then actually get people to ACTION. Basically no one knows what to do because this has never happened to us. It’s shocking and difficult to wrap ones brain around, and frankley there are a lot of people hoping something or someone will intervene; like maybe the secret services that Kennedy put into motion to counter a rogue government, or the other institutions who are in place to counter a rogue president, or God, or Jesus, or aliens, anything because we just don’t really know how to go about doing this. Lets talk truth, Even beginning a group of rebels is a risk and could be taken out quickly. People dissappear and other variables that would work against a small group (100-1000) is just not enough. It is a daunting task, so we tend to make our own plans, stock pile all manner of needful things and hope for enough warning to go down taking a bunch with us or hide and harry them, while others make escape. I could go on an on. There are many good plans, But I feel the great fall is inevitable so that the complacent ones can learn a lesson. Look at history, this has happened so many times, and the tables will turn, but not until a lot of blood has been shed. So, as usual, I’m at this impasse, what do we do??

          • Exactly. Soros and company are meerly instigating a rise in the price of gold, to sell it back to investors. You buy cheap, and sell high. Now people will be panic buying “paper gold” thinking that they are securing their wealth, where as they will be stuck with “paper gold” that they can not sell when they need to. The same goes for real gold. It is no longer security, it is a trap.

            • durango….i disagree about “they” would have too dissolution the constitution before they could take our arms away …obama is signing all kinds of executive orders….and those will over ride the constitution and the excuse will be for national security and the sheeple will back him.

            • Executive orders are not authorized by the Constitution and are NOT Law.

              They are law only for the executive branch of the government, its officers and employees. You are only included in that because you are “employed” as a trustee to a Social Security account, which is the Executive branches retirement program for it’s employees.

          • DRD5508 I never thought of that. I should know that the elite have all the gold they need. And they want the world to be in debt and at their beck and call. Thanks.

        • Exactly!!!

          The faster they run for gold ., the faster we must run for tin (food) and copper!!!

        • Prepping for more than just supplies though. Prepping financially is just as key.

          Not only gold as the article points out so well, but silver, coins, small bills and items for barter.

          The collapse is certainly not one single event…

          However, bets are still being taken for what really starts the ball rolling.

          • Mike, bet it won’t be us.

            • DRD- you wish Soros croaks because he is old. I wish the same on you when you become too old to live.

          • Survivor Mike: You couldn’t be more right. We’ve been in a ‘slow crash’ for many years (99) and goes like this: something happens to cause prices to go up and our standard of living goes down a little. We get use to this ‘new normal’ until the next event where we slide down just a little more again, and again we accept this new normal and hope it doesn’t happen again. Once in a while these events are big like the great depression or to a lesser extent, the 2007-2008 mini-crash, but most are smaller ones like the oil embargos. But it does happen again and each event is different than the last so we think that this is a one time event and we never make the connection with all the other events to see the pattern of our slow economic deterioration. Our currency has been manipulated for nearly a century now (1913) and we continue accept it as normal. In 1913 an ounce of gold bought a good man’s suit $20-25 more or less. Today (2012), an ounce of gold still buys a good man’s suit-think Brook’s Brothers-$1600. The price of gold hasn’t gone up, the value of our manipulated currency has gone way down and with it our way of living as free people. We can never be free as long as the government gives control of our money to a private banking cartel know to most of us as the FED (Federal Reserve Bank). As long as they’re free to print money out of thin air we’re at their mercy and our debasement will continue until we’re all destroyed by their greed and stupidity. However, the next slide down may be a big one because the EU and our FED are just about out of tricks for saving the western economies. But I could be wrong.

        • MY THEORY…
          NWO boys have their “pale horse” in the white house. Ever read Revelations?
          Obummer will declare martial law and suspend the elections when the bank runs begin.
          Then they will turn on the hyperinflation switch and destroy the middle class. They are prepping up all the govt. offices to be armed from the mass insurrection that will go down.
          The very fact that Obama….CAN I SAY THE N WORD? (Never again)..ha
          …He passed the NDAA bill to deal with all the folks revolting.
          He’s even got drones.

          I predict the military will revolt and dethrone him when they try and bring all the UN blue helmets on our soil….some are here already. There’s a great potential for a french style revolution…that’s what they are worried about.

          Americans getting their pitch folks ready I feel.

          If this shit goes down…you will have to move your preps. All the supply houses will be asked for their records. Here’s what you do….if you can’t move them.
          Get some drywall buckets. Most houses have basement stairs. Drywall in some false areas in your home, then pile all sort of shit in front of it.
          Another though….possibly use the basement rafters and wall board them in.

          I don’t think the entire US will riot…you’ll see the typical poor areas of the cities.

          I do think the poor might want to give the middle class some slack… as they are all armed and won’t hesitate to pull the trigger on a bunch of thugs.

          IMPORTANT… If they declare martial law and order all guns to be turn in…
          DO NOT COMPLY!!!! They can’t search all our homes…every little hiding space.
          I’m on my way now to get some extra ammo.


          ps. Watch for food prices to soar…All my relatives were laughing at us stocking up….now who’s laughing. Strange…food….you need it to live….and they call us preppers crazy for stocking critical things needed to sustain life. Proof that the masses have been fully brain fuck wached by the media folks.

          I hope it all collapses. Then we can start over.

          • If the election is called of the then All bets are off the TPTB!

          • I dont think every city will riot either. I think many cities will have them and you can guess the crowds that will. but many small towns in like 50,000 or smaller will bond together at first unless the guard or whoever comes in gets aggressive and then it will get ugly quicky but I think people bond in hard times, older americans and their kids families. These are some of the best posts and ideas that have been posted on here in a long time. many good ideas and theroies about what could happen and everone respects everyones ideas. GOD creation said pulling the trigger is hard and that is true, I have pulled the trigger on many. You have to think of something and not them as a actual person or a wild animal. its very bloody and dont let that make you sick ok people if this would happen. Have a small knive and anything like lidocaine liquid if you get shot to remove the lead bullet. you dont want that in your body for too long, we all know that. Your spouce may not be able to do it so you might need someone for this, just in worse case. I bought another 24 fireworks morters that I use on the ground and not in the tube, it wont kill them but 1-2 at the same time on the ground will really disorientate anyone who is trying to attack you but lighting them you might want to shorten the fuse, when they dont go in the tube and they go off they puff and you still have 2-3 sec exactly before they go off. try some to get an understanding of them, if not just stay away from them. We were younger we used to do all sorts of things, we had a guy and not a friend that took the bb’s out of a shotgun shell and then put the shell and aimed it at a aquantence of mine and it thought he was dead, he got shot with the wad and it left a little welt on his back. That guy was nuts. He thought he was shot.

        • Hello; SHTFPLAN people;

          I’ve been reading this site on a daily basis for about 2 years now; and i’ve picked up ALOT of useful information. I’ve done some prepping. Food and water for well over a year. Check. Over 1600 Silver Eagles. Check. But the one thing i DON’T have is a gun. I fired a gun once at my uncles place in N.H.; and thats it. Never owned a gun. Can someone please recommend a gun with a little stopping power to someone who’s never owned a firearm??? I’ve got a really strong feeling im going to need one sometime in the next 12 months. ANY info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

          • Dave, thanks so much for joining the conversation!

            Rick Blaine, a friend and a long-time reader once wrote a piece called In Introduction to SHTF Home Defense, Guns and Safety.


            In it he outlines some solid SHTF-style weapons. I’d strongly recommend that you look at picking up at least a handgun (9mm or .40 caliber), a shotgun (12 gauge, look to Remington 870) and a rifle (you can go lots of different directions here — even a Ruger 10/22 is better than nothing, but I would highly recommend an SKS – it’s cheap at about $350, fires a 7.62x39mm and eats any ammo you want to throw in it).

            For about $1000 you could acquire all three (you may have to buy pre-owned or pay a bit more for new) and have a decent SHTF gun reserve.

            I suspect that others out there will give you some great recommendations as well.

            Oh, and don’t forget the ammo! (500 – 1000 rounds per weapon is a bare minimum in my book). You’ll be using it for target practice anyway, and you’ll easily burn through 200 rounds of pistol ammo at the range on any given outing, so just buy in bulk… Guns shows are the best place to do that, and if you can, pay cash.


          • DAVE!!! PLEASE GET A SHOTGUN 12 GUAGE WITH BUCKSHOT. PRACTICE SHOOTING IT AND DONT BE AFRAID OF THE GUN! a pistol for you will be tricky and takes practice and even years. I dont want you to get hurt and think a good 12 gauge would be the best bet for you. Its hard to miss your target and does some good damage and can have a very good spread outside your home to someone trying to come or thats in your home. you dont have to spend a lot of money ok. you can get a pump shotgun that you have to use your hand on the stock to reload a shell. These guns are about 100 percent reliable just like a revolver pistol. A semi auto shotgun can jamb up and if you are older it takes time to figure out how to clear it and get it working again. most times semi-auto shotguns work and you just pull the trigger and the 12 gauge shell reloads by itself. normally they hold about 5 shotgun shells and one in chamber 6 shots. An expensive reliable one is a benelli m2. light and reliable, that is a semi auto shotgun. a mossberg or remington pump will always shoot and you can buy a used one for 350 bucks or less or just a tad more for used at gander mountain. you want a shorter barrell in a home to get a larger spread of the bb’s that come out. longer barrells shoot a real tight pattern and are bulky sometimes in a home. so a shorter barrell I would try to get. a benelli m2 brand new are anywhere from 1090- to 1300 bucks. you dont need that and doesnt perform any better for what you want. you just want a home defense gun. when you buy shotgun shells you will read numbers on the back like 7shot that means it has like 500 little bb’s in it. you might see 4 shot that has many less bb’s but the bb;s are bigger. you can buy steel shot or lead shot. lead shot is just fine for our friends that come into your home. there is bbb bb those are larger bb’s. you will see 00 buck and 000 buck that has anywher from 8-15 bb’s in it the size of 8 9mm bullets hiting someone basically. so if you can find buckshot would be the best bet for you. pistols are hard to shoot and take practice and if you dont use you get a bit rusty and under stress you can miss a target just 25 yards in front of you if your shaky or see someone and your heart pumps and you lock up. That shakyness in your body is cortisol a hormone. that inhibits performance and you dont want that. its like if you get stung by a bee your body releses histamine so you take a anti-histamine to keep the swelling down. under stress or before you get into a fight you get that shakyness or throw a tomatoe at a car and you try to run away but you cant run! that is cortisol in the bloodstream and that takes about 5 min to truely get down. to avoid that you breath into your NOSE and out for counts of 3 to 4 sec in and out for 3-4 min total. so if you do that breathing technique that will keep cortisol down in your bloodstream and help you focus and perform better. that is a good tip for all. Took a dental pharmacology class in college and with special warfare training.

          • If you think you are going to a gun fight, you bring a semiautomatic rifle with detachable magazine and red dot sight. This is why every military in the world carries rifles, not shotguns or handguns. Not that shotguns and handguns don’t have a place. The primary advantage of handguns is that you can have one with you all the time and it is conceable. They are under powered, difficult to master, and only accurate at conversational distances. The shotgun as a defensive firearm is very over rated. The have brutal recoil when using high powered loads such a buckshot and slugs, low round capacity, and are very difficult to reload quickly. Opt for a semi auto rifle before a shotgun. Very few women like the shotgun. A rifle in 5.56 or 7.62 x 39 they can master fairly quickly.

            • @
              Red Leader
              Your statement : ” They are under powered, difficult to master, and only accurate at conversational distances.” isn’t entirely true. Shotguns are very limited, even with slugs and buckshot, and most people could only expect deadly results from pistols at close range. However, with my Super Blackhawk in 44 magnum, I feel confident out to 100 yds on a man size target. If I’m sending hot rounds of 300 grain XTP’s at you; there won’t be much left to deal with later. Guaranteed.

              A 22 cal. short barreled rifle is better than nothing and can be purchased and stocked with a thousand rounds for less than $200.00.

            • red leader- yes I agree but he is brand new and probably in his 30’s. with that long with never shooting a gun the skills can be difficult for some people. I read your post and nodded my head and was yea yea I agree but if he gets a jamb for any sakes under stress would devistate him and a shotgun in a home is much faster for most novice users, yes we can use a dot and be faster I know that, but he is brand new and probably scared shitless, thats why I think a low recoil shotgun would be best for 1. malfunction possibility-depends what he buys etc. 2. can draw the weapon and the spread still can nip someone running from somebody scared as they see a guy standing at the front door with a knife and can still hit without much worry. I’m thinking someone who is nervous with guns and may get confused trying to turn on the dot, putting mag in all that.

            • Don’t Tread:

              Your single action .44 mag Blackhawk is a very well made target/hunting pistol that is fun to shoot and with a scope or open sites and a lot of time standing exposed in the off hand position, capable of 100 yard hits on a man size target as you say. Sorry to say it is not a fighting gun. It is Very heavy, it is Very slow to reload, Very slow to to recover for a second and subsequent shot. It is not a fighting handgun and I would challange you to find any expert who has seen the elephant and teaches fighting with a gun, that would carry one.

              Comparing a single action revolver to a semi auto pistol is like comparing apples to fire hydrants.

              As a department Rangemaster and chief Firearms instructor for over a decade, (Retired now) and seeing hundreds of officers train on all three platforms, the rifle is the what everyone shoots best and is the quickest to teach. Remember only about 10% of cops are gun guys. Unless you order them to the range they will not go.

              I think everyone should carry a fighting handgun such as a Glock or SD. Semi Auto, high capcity magazine 9mm, .40 or .45 ACP. It SHOULD NOT be their primary weapon. I like what Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch says; that a pistol is used to fight your way to your rifle.

              As far as the shotgun goes, great small game and bird weapon. I can tell you from training scores of cops who have carried a shotgun in their units for 20 years or more, under stress they will screw it up. No matter how many shoot and load drills, slug select drills, loading and unloading drills you do, put the officers under a little stress in a training scenario and over half of them will short stroke, eject rounds on the ground, drop rounds while reloading, switch hands to a strong hand reload etc. There is nothing in the Book of Crook that says that they will engage you within shotgun range. They have rifles too. It is a complicated short range weapon.

              On another note, I recently saw a very good video evaluation of the new Sig 556R AK platform by Gabe Suarez. He calls it the Mercedes of AKs. Does anyone have any first hand experience with this rifle? It has a rail built on ot ready for optics.

            • Without extra loaded magazines, a semi auto pistol is at least as slow to reload as a single action revolver.

          • My opinion to someone who has not really ever fired a weapon is to start with a .22 rifle.

            Cheap to get, cheap and easy to shoot, and draws near zero attention.

            Most important is to then take it out the next weekend and shoot it, A LOT. This is the most important first step. To a beginner it may seem wasteful, “hey I hit the target, guess I can head home now…” but make it a point to go thru a lot of rounds, and a lot of targets. Take a friend, it will help to keep things interesting. I believe you really need to get a lot of practice with an inexpensive low powered rifle.

            You should draw your own conclusions on how that rifle “felt” to you. Was it comfortable? Did the sights seem natural as you tried to sight into the target? Did you find yourself feeling awkward with your cheek too low while firing? After you find what you like or dislike after some shooting, you will then be able to do a better job deciding what YOU want in the more expensive future gun. Other people may disagree with me, but I have found guns (mostly rifles) that I find “fit” that I will shoot well, and accurately.. and others that even with practice feel awkward. In a dire situation, I want to grab a gun, and have it in firing position without giving a second thought. Some guns work well for this, some do not.

            By the way, you wil never regret keeping a .22LR around. Like most great tools, once you have one you will find many uses. Still my weapon of choice as a “learning tool” for those 4 legged visitors to the chicken house.

            • The .22 LR rifle is great to learn the basics of the rifle on. A Ruger 10/22 with a set of after market adjustable peep sights is what many newbies use at Appleseed training. It is some of the best and cheapest rifle training that you can get.

          • First choice for personal defense : a handgun, carried with you at all times. For a newbie, a revolver in .38 or .357 is fine. For a semi-auto, go with 9mm, .40, or .45 caliber, nothing else. Ammo needs – 250 rounds

            For home defense : shotgun, 12- or 20-gauge, with pump action. The Mossberg is not expensive and reliable. Ammo needs – 250 rounds in slug or buck/ball, and 250 rounds buckshot, and 500 rounds birdshot

            For community and area defense : rifle, centerfire, either bolt or semi-auto. Calibers should be .223 (5.56 mm), .308 (7.62mm NATO), 30.06, or 7.62x54R, or 7.62×39, for availability of ammo, now and in future. The Russian WWII bolt rifle, Mosin-Nagant, is a proven rifle for about $100. You can get excellent deer rifles at a shop or show for about $300. A quality semi-auto will run $600 minumum, should stick to AR-15 clones. The SKS is a good choice, less money, and less caliber, I have two of them. Ruger Mini-14 or Mini-30 is another good choice. I would personally start with the Mosin-Nagant, one for each adult in the house, and a few more for the neighbors when it comes to community. Ammo needs – 500 rounds per rifle, work up to a case of ammo for each.

            First choice for garden protection, training, and general varminting : .22LR rifle, the Ruger 10/22 is the standard, they’re about $150. Ammo needs – 5000 rounds

            • I have to agree with you Smokey. A first choice, especially for a newbie is a revolver. More specifically in 357 magnum. Shoot 38′s thru it until confident and fairly accurate. Twenty-five to fifty feet is plenty good for self protection.

              Red Leader has some good points and I agree with him about the rifle for accuracy. My first choice, if I have the time and distance, would definetely be my 270 Wthby Mag. I have it bench rest shooting to plug coin dollar size holes at 200 yds. That’s not happening with a typical handgun or most semi=auto rifles.

              In a close situation, 25 yds or less, I’ll stay with a pistol. For extreme situations calling for many rounds I want a reliable(most autos will jam occasionally) 45 auto., and if that situation calls for a must have dispatch; the runaways will get the hot 300 XTPs flung from the ole reliable(never jams), and yes heavy,Super Blackhawk 44 mag. After 100 yds. they/it will most likely be behind cover anyway.

          • I’m sure that I am out of place here; but my Marine BIL spent hours (2 days) with me, wife & teen daughter (well, they were just practicing) when I came out of the kitchen and onto the range (aka 40 acre backyard). Since I was pretty use to my new .380 he had me march 10-15 feet forward, turn, fire until I could do it without thinking, drop the magazine, reload and then we
            run (ok- walk very fast – I’m 50+) a 4-wheel trail forward shooting, then back ~ turning to shoot on command.
            The march forward was to put space between me and what is a problem and up the adrenaline (heart-rate) to more realistically than taking all the time I wanted in ‘target practice’. This has been my new training and gives me a better perspective on real-time…. puff, puff, and losing extra pounds.

            • I guess what I was trying to say is that it’s one thing to practice at the target range (good at this) and another to put yourself in the heat of what might be (not so good, but getting better). His wife and daughter are so sharp that it makes me a little competitive. I firmly believe an experienced, patient teacher brings you to a whole different level of competence.

          • Dave: You have stumbled into an argument for which there is no correct answer. There is no such thing as the only gun, or perfect gun. Everything is situational to your abilities, comfort levels, geographical area, and purpose. Not to mention budget.
            The only advice I could give you is to try to find a place that rents them and try a few out at the range. I have heard indoor ranges will rent guns to prospective buyers.
            Be honest with them about your skill level but you may want to change the reason for wanting one.
            Good luck.

          • Dave: Mac is spot on with the guns. 500-100 per gun is the bare minimum for each one you own but err on the side of caution and get at least 1000, especially the 12 guage and .22cal. .22LR are sold in bricks, usually 550 per box/brick so stock up on this caliber more than the others because it’s still pretty cheap and can be used for barter if necessary (think a few thousand rounds ). I would also get some training from a local firearms instructor such as a certified NRA instuctor on all three types of weapons (pistol, rifle, and shotgun). There are also some good independent firearms instuctors ones as well, often at your local gun range. Proper instruction can prevent you from aquiring bad habits and bad/dangerous attitudes. You may also consider joining one of these gun clubs for the additional training they offer, ease of shooting when you want to shoot, and for learning subtle things from the more experienced shooters. Good luck.

        • “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” – David Rockefeller

          That light at the end of the tunnel seems to be getting brighter…and that rumbling sound a little louder…

        • First thing to do is pray and then prep you cant take your things whith you when you dIE! then what! prep your soul and then get your worldly preps! =) sad but true!

        • Do you preps recommend anything that is not from sams club but looking for some buckets of dried fruit and meats that are in those big containers. I know can get online but looking if anyone had any of them or sampled or opened up and can recommend a few different brands that are good. I’m done on ammo now need to start the food storage a bit more. Thanks guys

          • One thing about large cans is that once you open them, you have a limited time to use the contents.

            • True, but if you have a Flower Pot fridge, no problem!


              And it works!

          • we like the buckets from costco – search “emergency”. also, you can check out “food storage made easy dot NET” for lots of great ideas and links for how to store, what to store, how to use what you store, and where to get it. just think of it like hunting…

            some have advised against emergency essentials flour products; we haven’t used those, but have used their fruits and veggies. for example, it’s nice to have dried spinach on hand, easy to use in omlets or on pizza; i don’t waste half a frozen box and no thawing time.

        • …and here’s a link to a new article that pretty much outlines what they think of people who stockpile weapons and defy the government…

          I’d say that the venomous seething hatred shows in the text. There’s no way to tell how much is true and how much is exaggerated, the point is, they hate people who defend their own against them. I think most of US are probably on that SAME LIST…we just haven’t been attacked yet.

          • sixpack, the bulk of the piece seems to be suggesting that the “sovereign citizens”, which is ANY free Man, are dangerous terrorist.

            If they fired upon a cop of any variety, for any reason other than self defense, they are run of the mill criminals. We will never know the truth of what happened, but we can know the truth of “sovereign citizens”.

            A true “sovereign citizen” is a responsible, law abiding Man who believes rightfully the government only has Lawful authority over them in the event they commit an injury on another man. All actions against them MUST be initiated by another Man who has suffered an injury at their hands.

            The corp believes it has autonomous authority to initiate violence and force against anyone, for anything, at any time. Those who believe that are the terrorist.

            Leave a sovereign man be, and he will leave you be. Otherwise, he is a criminal.

            • Amen.

        • Think of us poor Brita who haven’t got any access to any means of defence

        • How are us Brita supposed to defend our families

          • Britintheshit

            Wasp spray and a lighter
            Laser pen
            Super soaker and bleach
            Large dog
            Baseball bat
            Molotov cocktails
            “ornamental” sword

            Use your imagination

            Take care

            • Dont forget hte Black Widow Sling shot??

      2. Are we at Defcon 2 yet?

        • Nope. Defcon 3 is here.

          Canned Food, Handguns, Ammo, Seeds and Silver.

          Or Gold if you’re so lucky to be able to afford it.

          Oh, and Barter-able Items.

        • I now, for the first time, keep all guns fully loaded and ready to access in less than 10 seconds from any room in the house.

          That may sound like a long time when someone is knocking on the door with ill intent, but I think the box of 5,000 marbles that will be spread on the floor upon such a threat will buy me a little extra time.

          DEFCON ONE here…

          • WOW! Seriously? DEFCON 1

            You think that our “nuclear” scenario is here? Even the Cuban Crisis warranted only a DEFCON 2, the first in history!

            • My defense conditions are different from the military. It doesn’t require a nuclear weapon to destroy my family, just a psychopath who feels they have a right to.

              There are too many of those to ignore any longer…

              All I seek is peace and freedom, but many more seek to keep me from finding it.

            • Very, very well said GC. We live on a remote, off grid ranch. I am now considering getting the rifle plate carrier and ballistic helmet out and hanging them up next to the M4oregery in the bedroom.

              If something goes bump in the night, the sherrif’s dept. is a half hour away.

          • well, I just added marbles to my list.

            • dont forget to put down something super slick as well if you have hardwood floors with marbles would be devestating like vasoline etc can’t think, maybe oil. I always wanted to on a split foyer home with a 5’by 6′ landing to go downstairs and take out the frame on that entry by the door so you could not use it and vynil floor on top. So leave just plywood and if they stepped on it they would drop down 5 feet and be screwed up bigtime. just a thought.

            • Now I am moving my jar of marbles from the computer to the front door bookshelves!

            • Tire mounting lube is the slickest, when it drys just add water

          • good one with the marbles…

          • Everyone seemed to think your earlier comment was the best yet. I think these two are. Keep your marbles in all situations! Just sayin’.

          • Marbles, good idea. Just be careful to not impede your or your family’s possible routes of escape with so many marbles.

            • Marbles also make great projectiles for reloaded 12G or 20G shot guns, just be sure they are smaller then the bore of the barrel

          • Great idea on the Marbles, GC.

            Here is a training video on how to tactically deploy 5,000 marbles in a panic situation. The tatictal use of marbles starts 30 seconds into the video.


      3. No moon tonight. Good time to launch the missiles. Or Sep. 16th, Oct. 15th. War in the Persian gulf. It’s really already started. Gasoline goes sky high, economy finally falls on it’s face. You know the rest.

        • @ Cassandra. Five days before to five days after a new moon is what Israel has in the past gone by. Jewish and arab religious holidays play into this also. Preppers can get that jump by paying attention to these dates and the likely time of day when it would happen. The western side of Iran is 9 hours ahead of eastern time during the fall and winter and 8 hours ahead now. The attack would occur towards midnight which is slightly later than 12:00 during the summer months. So it would take awhile to reach the news, maybe a half a hour or so. Probably between 11:30- about 2:00 AM Iran time it would hit the news. 3:30 to 6:00 PM eastern time during the summer and spring everyone would know about it. 4:30 to 7:00 eastern time during the winter and fall standard time.

          This means that most stores will be open in the country. Any final preparations would be a good idea when this happens before the masses figure out what happened. Ammo and fuel should be first because they will also be the first to be shut down by the government.

          • “A burial vault is a container that houses a casket when it is buried. The burial vault is placed in the grave, the casket is lowered into the vault and a top (lid) is placed onto the vault before the grave is covered. The purpose of the burial vault is to protect the casket from the weight of the earth and the equipment used in the maintenance of the cemetery property. Burial vaults also maintain the beauty of the cemetery by eliminating soil settlement. Burial vaults are most commonly made from concrete, but are also made from steel and plastic.”


            • I explained this on youtube several years ago. I tried telling people this, but they insisted on calling me names and telling me I wasn’t a good American because I wasn’t a conspiracy nut. It’s sad to see that people are still showing these videos and claiming all kinds of misinformtion that is not true. I wish people would investigate claims made by others before passing them as true and then continuing a lie started by someone else. This leaves us all looking like nutcases.

            • Ours were fiberglass. Only made a few hundred a year.

            • In this case, a burial vault can also be used to hide the collateral damage that may turn the people against those who are doing the killing that fills them up.

              I seriously doubt the corp cares much for the regular use of such an item and has other plans. They don’t care about protecting the cemetery because they will not be putting them there.

            • Maybe that’s what they are, but why SO MANY in one place?

          • Kind of surprised they’d bother to give us coffins…..usually governments just create mass graves…

            • THE COFFINS AREN’T FOR BURYING THE DEAD … the fema coffins are designed to hold 4 to 5 adult bodies , so the coffins and its contents of very dead genocided ameriKans – FEDGOV CDC weaponized diseased humans , can be pushed by fork lift right into large natural gas incinerators located at various military bases and fema camps strategically placed around the country !!!


          • We’ve known about these for years, so what’s the important breaking news?

            • @ Anon,,there are a lot of new people on this and similar sites. They looking to get up to speed.

          • Those are coffin liners. I used to make them. Not for FEMA but for private funeral homes. 2.4 million deaths a year in the USA alone so yeah there are a lot of liners. Stories float around about what these are used for and fiction can be fun. However I do think the government is a corrupt hunk of crap that will impose martial law. I do however think they would just burn the bodies or bury them in mass graves rather than take the time to put them in a plastic coffin.


            • Perhaps they need to hide the bodies from prying eyes as they transport them to the mass graves.

              What none of you have explained is why the corp has hundreds of thousands, if not millions of these things stored and hidden away on private property.

              Social Security only pays $255 when you die. They will certainly not spring for coffins and cemeteries these things were meant for.

              There has to be another purpose, but I don’t claim to know for sure what it is.

            • There are many diseases out there that could easily be weaponized.

              Many of them, like smallpox or the ebola virus, can be contagious even after death. These plastic liners could be used to prevent the spread of an epidemic to those who are transporting the bodies.

            • Daisy, that could be true. But it would also assume a desire to stop the epidemic.

              Really, I don’t know what to make of the coffin liners, so I have to focus on who has them and what their likely purpose would be. Somehow I just don’t see a benevolent use for them by those who possess them in such a large number when they are hiding them from the public.

              Like with everything I think about our situation, I hope I am wrong. I would love to stand corrected at some future date and marvel at what a fool I am.

            • I know it sounds contradictory that those who dispersed a virus would want to limit the epidemic, but there are a couple of circumstances in which I believe that they WOULD want to do so.

              First, they would not want to be infected themselves, and for that reason, precautions would be taken to manage the epidemic.

              Next, they wouldn’t want their worker bees to all be infected and unable to work, which is one possibility.

              And finally, they would want to give the appearance of attempting to mitigate the infection – this would be necessary to prevent complete anarchy.

              From the reading I’ve done on this topic these encasements are designed to contain communicable diseases.

              I may be entirely wrong and there is a completely different agenda with these liners, but this is one possible theory.

            • I tend to agree — using burial devices means they’d have to think of us as PEOPLE, and we all know they don’t.

        • Imagine the discussion between German Jews when they heard rumors of the death camps. History repeats….folks are more brainwashed than ever…

          You know I’d made a bunch of rant and tough talk here… But who would listen.

          I predict millions will awake and the military to turn on the folks in charge.

          • Hope you’re right (the awakening and military).

          • LOL…

          • Morning all

            Kind of off topic but as disease has been mentioned already. If they ever used disease as a depopulation method it would not be Ebola, it is impossible to control and in this respect the PTB could not take the risk of getting it. It also requires specialist handling of contaminated bedding, clothing and the bodies themselves, way to complicated if you want to ensure enough survive to work for you in the future.

            Smallpox is a possibility, we know there are stocks of the virus in both the US and Russia and currently only 90 million vaccine doses worldwide, some of which are nearing the end of their usable life, new safer vaccine is being developed at this time. At a maximum 30% kill rate (there are other forms that are 95%+ fatal but too messy to use, same problems as ebola) but with millions being left blind and with organ damage there would be untold problems for the governments, I believe this is more likely to be used by non-government bio terrorists than anyone else.

            I could go on but you get the idea.

            If the PTB ever decide to go the pandemic route it would ideally be something that was almost guarenteed to kill the elderly and at least 60% of everyone else who came into contact with in…something like Avian flu..H5N1 would do it, all they have to do is make it more transmissible to humans. It already exists in both domestic and wild birds world wide so there is a good reservoir going already.

            Good job no government is daft enough to let the research showing the five small changes required to allow this to happen……the idea will be floated that a ‘terrorist group’ used the info that is now available, or even that it mutated naturally, a few minor politicians will be allowed to die, for the greater good of course. Mass vaccination will start, with the most able to work getting the real deal and the rest getting whatever is to hand probably a placebo, sterile water possibly. Billions will die so the goal has been achieved. Those that are left will thank God and the government for their very lives and will continue to thank them for the food they receive that allows them to keep working.

            Survival slavery will have arrived.

            This is all a fiction of course…………

            Take care

        • thanks coco for the posts of the fema camps

      4. human beings are just another commodity now

        “There’s no way to control corporate power. The system has broken down, whether it’s Democrat or Republican. And because of that, we’ve all become commodities. Just as the natural world has become a commodity that is being exploited until it is exhausted, or it collapses.

        “”It’s the willingness on the part of people who seek personal enrichment to destroy other human beings… And because the mechanisms of governance can no longer control them, there is nothing now within the formal mechanisms of power to stop them from creating essentially a corporate oligarchic state.”

        not only can government not control corporations anymore
        it now actually aids and abets them in their crimes

        remember that phrase CORPORATE OLIGARCHIC STATE
        it will dominate everything from now on

        elections on the Federal level make little difference now
        as some have said
        we need to call them auctions
        they go to the highest bidder
        and folks
        that ain’t us

        • creating a corporate oligarchy? I’m sorry. The verb there should be past tense. It’s done. Been watching it over a decade.

          dominate everything from now on? Again, WTF has it been doing?

        • not only can government not control corporations anymore
          it now actually aids and abets them in their crimes

          Oh, not true–the corporations are the govt.

        • “We’ve made the world safe for Plutocracy”-Once An Eagle

        • Labor is the commodity. It is merely performed by human beings and they are measured by the value of that labor in the corp.

          I am NOT a commodity. It does not matter to me is someone else thinks I am one, so long as I know better.

        • And hence the reason for guns and other weapons in the hands of the common man…our “liberty teeth” to bite the head off the serpent of despotism…when evil will no longer be restained by force of reason and decentcy then it falls to force of arms to silence it forever…dont ever let them take your teeth out,bite em first!

      5. I thought the .357 Magnum was incorrect. It was actually .357 SIG.
        Makes more sense as it is a common round for LEOs.

        • Actually Havok, the fed leo’s I see training use mostly 40 and 9mm. The 357 rounds are for automatics.

          • You missed the point.
            I am not debating .40 vs .357.
            I was saying it is not 357 magnum. It is .357 sig.
            No LEOs carry 357 magnum, they carry the .357 sig.
            Just correcting the writer or the article.

        • They will wish they had the 357 MAG.

          • Why not utilize the FiveSeven 5.7×28, accuraccy unbeleivable and 30 round clips. More impact than the .557 and further distance than the 40, 357, 44 etc.
            Kicks about the same as the .22, yet much more deadly.

        • Havok: But not for DHS, they carry the H&K P2000 .40 cal. with a total of three magazines. The hollow points are for duty carry. Only NATO (FMJ) rounds are used for training because they are a little chepaer. Virtually all, or at least most, federal agencies carry some form of .40 cal., not the .357. This may sounds nuts to most folks, but almost every federal agency has a criminal investigative unit including the IRS, Social Security, HHS, and HUD. These are all fraud investigators and as such have arrest authority which means they all carry guns. Each agency is different but they all practice from one to four times a year and for that they need ammo.

      6. Yes, it’s coming. Get your things in order.

      7. Time for the game to begin…

      8. Keep up with the three B’s…it’s coming.

      9. These are huge signs of a shtf event.
        It is what we all plan for as most of us have seen the writing on the wall for a long time.
        What are the holes in my preps?
        Is this defcon 3 or 4?
        Everyone remember keep some cash on hand as there will be a window to hit the stores
        If events start to go south fast.
        And a word of advice for the new prepper feeling overwhelmed over in the corner
        puking his guts out.
        Start today with food, water, and something to protect it with.
        Be safe and pay attention to what’s going on around you.

        • “overwhelmed over in the corner
          puking his guts out.”

          that was me a couple years ago when i realized what is coming our way.

          • That was me 1 year ago…..

            • Kitty,
              Best of luck to you as well.
              It does not take long to become well adjusted in the field of prepping.
              This site alone is enough to take you to the rank of Jedi.
              Once you have grasped and instituted the concept of prepping,
              No one can take that from you.

            • That was me 10 years ago. I still feel like I’m missing something. Maybe it’s more beans. Never enough ammo( We love to shoot). Oh yea, perimeter booby traps. 28 gauge shot shells,1/2 inch metal conduit pipe,ring shank nails and some wooden boards. Gotta get crackin’.

          • Josh, we all have to start somewhere,
            I was there in 08.
            I new it was all going down then….
            But I did not understand the power of the printing press.
            Now I do, and that must be factored into your equation.
            When looking at collapse from a financial prospective,
            I must say that I watch certain people on this cite that have excellent financial acumen.
            I have said for a couple of years now, that if you see Durango Kidd,
            Drop his shit and start running, you best try to keep up!
            He is a good barometer of financial situations far above my pay grade.
            He is not a Schill for anyone. And he is a study of current events, (financial and political).
            He is a patriot, a optimist, and a voice of reason on this site.
            Pay attention to what is going on around you, and you will fair better than 99% of those
            around you….
            This is really like a 12 step program…..

        • With DEFCON 1 being the highest rating and 5 being the lowest, and since this is getting a little more hot, I’d say DEFCON 3 – watching closely and possibly moving it up to DEFCON 2 if we see any of the scenarios fulfilled. Then of course all bets are off because it will then be DEFCON 1 and you know what that means!

          • I’d wager we’re at mid-stage D2…

      10. The Most Precious Metal of All on U.N. NWO Martial Law Day 2012 …

        … is going to be LEAD !!!


        p.s. – alternative sources of Lead for bullets post collapse = car batteries . very toxic acid – remove only in industrial zone and thoroughly cleanse wash flush lead plates with used contaminated water out-flow going into sealed storage containers mark “toxic poison” – the lead will give off toxic fumes melting , melt in well ventilated open area – works !!!

        • CIA 2012 our leaders will live in underground bunkers

          * this bunker is still active i’ve seen it . under ground trains tunnels connect it directly to wash dc .

          just how prepared are you ??? is it enough ???


          • I know a guy who hauled concrete to help build some of those bunkers. He had steady work for four years hauling to the same job. No one ever told him what he was hauling concrete for. A lot of these guys know more than they are told though. He was from NC. He would drive up to DC and haul for 2 weeks at a time.

            • Howdy Highspeed,
              While trucking a couple years ago, I met a guy that hauled an oversized container(60′ x 12′ x 9′) for the government. He had to deliver it in the middle of the desert in New Mexico somewhere. When He got close, he was escorted to the site. On the site was only one man with a truck/trailer and a trackhoe that had just dug a huge hole. As soon as it was unloaded, it was buried and the delivery driver said he was rushed away with the best paycheck ever. Our taxpayer $$ at work.

            • Don’t tread, Its pathetic ain’t it. We will be fighting for our lives and many of them will be hunkered down in the comfort that we paid for. I can only hope that when things settle down there are enough of us left to exact some quality revenge.

        • Wheel weights are common and have a nice alloy for bullets. Used to melt them for casting bullets for black powder guns. The little steel clip just sinks to the bottom.

          • Beware of so of the newer ones they are not made of lead but they are a mixture of crap pot metals.

          • You never did that. If you did you’d know that the steel slip floats to the top.

            • Old Coach, I melt them down all the time and I’ve never had a steel clip float to the top. I have an electric cast iorn pan, and it gets very hot.

            • Coach, I meant to say I melt them to make 3,4 and 5 ounce sinkers.

        • Wheel weights on tire rims are a far better quality of lead for making bullets. Some lead is way too soft and needs atimony(sp) added to stiffen it up.

        • Just dissolve a box of baking soda in a 5gal bucket then put the battery(empty) in another and pour the soda water over it till covered,let sit for awhile,I just throw them in a good fire and go do somthing else after for a spell the lead will be in gobs in the ashes,its a hard grade of lead but Ive fired alot of them and the work as well as any cast bullet…just sayin, 🙂
          PS: save the acid you drain from the batteries…it may come in real handy as a food additive or some such thing for feeding our blue helmeted “friends” 🙂

          • The dross from battery lead has calcium and arsenic in it. If exposed to moisture, you get arsine and stibene gas, both of which are extremely poisonous. Do not use battery lead for casting anything at all.

            • There’s a lot of ‘experts’ on here don’t ya know? Thanks for the truth Old Coach!

        • Why throw perfectly caustic sulfuric acid away? Use your imagination…

      11. Why so critical of US govt ammo purchases? Sounds like the govt is doing nothing more than prepping for what they believe are future events, just as well… preppers are doing. Maybe you should applaud the govt for being so foresighted.

        • “Foresighted”?? WTF?

          You want us to applaud ANY gov’t that is “foresighted” enough to purchase that kind of ammo that will ultimately be used against its OWN CITIZENS? What kind of dirt bag, boot-licker are you?

          Get on down the road sonny to a sight that gives a crap!

          • Why does these number scare anyone. Hell the 46000 number is what my group use for practiece in a single weekend. the 174000 was for 245 agents for carry and practice for the year do the math.

            • Because there is a BIG difference between shooting PRACTICE and shooting US! Wouldn’t you agree? How would you like to have 46000 rounds fired toward you, or 4600, or 460… hell, how would you feel if 46 rounds of that ammo was being shot AT YOU?

              See the difference?

            • Hollow point for practice? Interesting… I must have it wrong. I use fmj for practice and save my hollow points for my enemy.. maybe I have it backward…

            • I did the math. But, having been a shooter for decades, I know you do NOT use hollow points for punching holes in paper. The only ones who do are: rookies, silver spooners, and experimenters.

            • And you know he’s FOS about the 46000 rounds for practice in a weekend too. If they’re shooting that much then they are simply wasting ammo and screwing around. Even if there were 50 in his ‘group’, that’s 920 rounds each (I did the math too!). I can see that if each of them are pretty well off and can afford to waste 1000 rounds of, let’s say .223, because it equates to at least $300-$350 per person. That’s A LOT of money in lead let me tell ya! If he’s telling the truth, then more power to him. But I would be storing that ammo instead of punching paper!

            • You train with what you use. Using a different bullet is stupid. Do we want the Secret Service which will hopefully be guarding Mitt to practice with “Practice Rounds”. Train as you fight. The Army doesn’t use practice rounds. Dumb asses. When they buy in the quantity that the Military does then worry. Half of those 46000 will be use at the range in the first month. The bullet issue is another distraction. Look for real issue don’t make them.

            • A yes we go though these amounts of rounds and we only us what we plan on using. And 400 or 500 at the range in the weekend is nothing. And AR can eat 3 mags a minute. We always do 4 or 5 tac ranges every day we go so that 420 round each times 11. Plus point and shot exc. Draw and shoot. And many other and if you are not doing these you are not training you are just familiar yourself with your weapon. If you practice with FMJ you should fight with full metal jacket. They put more force on a vest the Blue would wear anyways and don’t fragment when going though things to get to your targets. You weekend armchair shooter are going to get people killed with your bullshit ideas.


            • @Facebook

              No disrespect or name calling here but I wanna bring up a couple points
              1. Hollow point and full metal jacket come out the same way, shoot the same way, feel the same way.

              2. Hollow point is more expensive than fmj.

              3. I’m no military man myself but respect the hell outta them and won’t pretend to know for sure but im under the impression military uses fmj anyways

              4. How do u explain .22 conversions for ARs and other Assault rifles with expensive rounds.??.. It’s not about what your shooting its getting comfortable with your weapon.

              Again no disrespect just have to disagree without the excitement.

            • You’re a fool FB.

              I’d like to know, except for Swift and myself, who else on this board uses FMJ primarily as paper punchers INSTEAD of JHP, Match, AP, etc???

              We all use some of the good stuff to make sure it fires well in our particular gun, if it’s ‘dirty’ or leave a lot of copper on the barrel, etc. But I will venture to guess and would be willing to wager, that the vast majority here fires the ‘cheaper’ ammo at targets.

              Like I said earlier, glad you can afford it, but it’s still as waste!

            • @Facebook Page — I must be confused, I always thought one aimed THE GUN, not the BULLET! I always thought that where you point THE GUN, the BULLET goes…boy was I confused.

            • Military did use FMJ but now are using flat Penetrator rounds correct. But they don’t shoot “cheaper practice”

              No a hollow point does not shoot the same. And in many case the FMJ is a better choice Example I carry a 10mm I want mass hitting my target. IE Vests Car doors wall etc. Everything from immediate action drills to reaction of the firearm is different. Hell the sound is different.

              Most don’t match their practice rounds, they buy cheap target round and think their case of “good” stuff is the same. Example WAlly Mart 8 Shot then almost kill them selves with there 5 rd box of Mad Defenders. Many You tube examples.

              Yes everyone cannot afford to practice as I do. But don’t make new prepper think that one class or 12 weekend range shoots make them trained to fight. That can make them an OK shot. But that is not enough to put up a fight as some here want. It does prep them for guerilla warfare and the gangbangers(Thugs) which I am more worry about in the near term. I have trained from scratch “villages” to defend themselves. And I will give credit it is the mindset and the sheer ________ that usually decide who win.

              Yes if it is all you can afford practice with what you can. But don’t think because you are using you 10/22 you are doing the same as your AR 10 or Sig 556. And most conversion kit for AR 15 are only good for teach immediate action drills.

              I will apologize to anyone who though I was being offenceive because of the dollar amounts. That was not my intentions. My point was know your limitations. Don’t waste your life In the upcoming fight thats when we can come out of the woodwork and start training on a bigger scale. (We will have to if it comes to that) And the ones that are going to start screaming at me about talking about our ways (OPSEC).

              I say you can’t go back to being a Ninja after they know you as a Samurai.

              You dont have to be a perfect shot to be a great fighter.

            • I actually have a copy of the PO (Purchase Order) for the ammo rqst by DHS. It also includes 7.62×39 (AK47?) ammo, this disturbes me to the point of no return. Why would the gov’t purchase ammo not utilized by the American defence agencies? Or is this just another Fast and Furious? You tell me……

            • Texas Ranger,

              If you have that PO, please list the quantity. That is very important for us to know.


          • I do give a crap, I just hate stupidity and that is what I see here. The stupidity I see here is a strong indicator of two possibilities. One: many on this sight are too stupid to surive any cataclysm. Two; many on this sight will become what they claim to be combatting; that is they will become homicdal manaics killing onyone who does toe thier “freedom” line. You claim to love freedon and linerty, but collapse my comments because they run counter to your illogical propoganda, propoganda that does nothing more than boost the egos of small minds.

            • dont let people piss you off. I know what you are saying. my writing skills suck and sometimes dont make sense but Im not a stupid person and know what you were saying. There will be people that agree with comments on here and other times they cut it down and there the same people on here for years. Just keep writing what you believe and you can judge for yourself what kind of people are and how they feel. you can sense, fear, anger,non-patient people, dumb, very smart and asking for help and opinions on here. we always dont have to agree but write what you feel and keep reading these posts. if you dont like something or what someone says, no worries. You know what you need to do. I Just want to know the truth and for them meaning the government to be more honest with us and not let us hanging while a few in power control things, pass laws how they see fit for a quick buck and not doing the right things for us the people, tends to piss me off and be more engaged what is going on in the US. I’m starting to get to the point where i dont applause our government for letting illegals get benefits and all this fraud and abuse and they tack it on to us while they get rich and lie to us. They are abusing us and the system and they have damaged it and now things are getting bad and we must not fight each other we must fight and get rid of these people that are trying to rule our lives. we should be free and younger people are being conditioned to accept that. We are not some of us older people in late 20’s and on. They have pushed us to far and we about had enough of this, thats why we stand with the people and the law, not these POS getting away with stealing milions/billions and having us the People bail them out. there time is running out and on top of that they want a one world system which our will here in the US will not allow. Sure many of us will die but I want to continue to do the right thing and never stand with people that hurt others. that is why im engaged more than ever.

            • Hey clint, don’t tell him to not get pissed. He SHOULD be pissed. He should be pissed about making a comment that was that absurd!

              Look JoeinNC, when ANYONE praises this government with this statement,
              “Why so critical of US govt ammo purchases? Sounds like the govt is doing nothing more than prepping for what they believe are future events, just as well… preppers are doing. Maybe you should applaud the govt for being so foresighted.”
              then they deserve to have their comment “collapsed”!

              In case you haven’t noticed, the vast majority here are Patriots and have no tolerance for anyone who is sympathetic to anyone who is supportive, sympathetic or in agreement with any tyrannical move the Oblowjob Administration is doing or has done. If you want that, then go post on The View’s site!

            • I’ve seen JoeinNC’s posts on another site and he seems to thrive on stirring up controversy.

              Is there a method to your madness, Joe? I’ve yet to form my opinion on that. But from what I see you throw around a lot of insults like ” illogical propoganda, propoganda that does nothing more than boost the egos of small minds.” that certainly do nothing to further your point.

              Also I just don’t think you are totally aware of what is going on in the world so maybe this site will help you learn, if you can open your mind and descend from atop your high horse. We’ve all gotta start from somewhere.

              Then again, maybe JoeinNC is just one of the numerous trolls that like to cause discord – only time will tell.

              Joe, there really are a lot of nice, intelligent people here, and it would be a shame if you instantly wrote them off.

              ~ D

            • I have to agree with you Smokey. A first choice, especially for a newbie is a revolver. More specifically in 357 magnum. Shoot 38’s thru it until confident and fairly accurate. Twenty-five to fifty feet is plenty good for self protection.

              Red Leader has some good points and I agree with him about the rifle for accuracy. My first choice, if I have the time and distance, would definetely be my 270 Wthby Mag. I have it bench rest shooting to plug coin dollar size holes at 200 yds. That’s not happening with a typical handgun or most semi=auto rifles.

              In a close situation, 25 yds or less, I’ll stay with a pistol. For extreme situations calling for many rounds I want a reliable(most autos will jam occasionally) 45 auto., and if that situation calls for a must have dispatch; the runaways will get the hot 300 XTPs flung from the ole reliable(never jams), and yes heavy,Super Blackhawk 44 mag. After 100 yds. they/it will most likely be behind cover anyway.

            • Please disregard My comment to Smokey and Red Leader that got posted here. I screwed up as most humans do. To err is to be human and to accept it shows character.

              JoeinNC, please change your handle/e-name. Your comments are leaving under garment stains on the tarheel state. Most people that are regulars here do have heated exchanges here, but, when it comes to a fight for our freedom and liberty, we will be as one army. You are either for us or against us. You don’t want to find yourself coming against us; especially in a face to face situation. We see the fakes coming from a long way off, as they hide behind their computer screens. To disagree is fine and acceptable, but to call us stupid is taking things to another level. A level that reeks of liberalism/socialism and support of an evil empire. We are against it. So tread lightly.

        • @ Joe, thank them for the camps too.

        • @ JoeinNC. If the government was being foresighted like the prepper for some sort of foreign invasion or something, then they would not be putting restrictions on the amount of ammunition that someone can buy and store in so many areas of the country. If the government was so “for the people” they would be encouraging people to buy firearms and store ammunition to protect the country as a whole. The government buying up 1 billion+ rounds they are planning to use against their own people like some Syrian regrime; me, you, the people on this site, the people of this country.

          • yeah, and like Facebook Page says, their expensive bullets will have better aim than our cheap ones…

            • It is they’re, not their. You used the possisive plural pronoun when you should have used the contraction. But, that is ok, I see quite a few deviations from standard English in this site. You would think that people who are so hot defend “our way of life” would have a better command of the English language. Does give one pause as to the intellectual sopphistication of posters.

            • Oh look! Joe is smart, and wants to let everyone know.
              Maybe, Joe, if the goddamn teachers’ unions would let a few of the turds get canned every so often, we might see some more prolific writing skills.
              How was my grammar and punctuation, Joe?

            • Hey Joe! You are the one who makes your comments collapse. You know that right? If you weren’t such a prudish little boy using your smug elitist attitude then maybe, just maybe, one or two of your comments would survive!

              ***NOTE: Don’t give me an English lesson moron, I could care less what a Leftist like you thinks anyway***

            • Hey Joe —

              HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Damn, I just realized – YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT!

              In sixpacks comment he used the correct “their”! What’s wrong with you? What? In his statement you are saying it should have read, “they are expensive bullets…”? Are you kidding? You DO know that “they’re” really is “THEY ARE”, right?

              HAHAHAHAHAHA! Is that the pot calling the kettle black or what? LOL!!!!! 😀 😀 😀

            • Oh, and how do you spell “possisive”? 😀 Me thinks the spelling is possessive.

              And, what about, “I see quite a few deviations from standard English in this site.”? That should have read AT THIS SITE!

              As well as, “You would think that people who are so hot defend “our way of life” would have a better command of the English language.”? That should have read something like, ‘people who are so hot TO DEFEND’ (Damn, I kill myself!!! 😀 😀 )

              Also, “Does give one pause as to the intellectual sopphistication of posters.”? HORRIBLE sentence structure genius! You could have easily added “This”, “It” at the beginning of the sentence to correct YOUR use of your first language! And, you may want to turn on your spell corrector! I do believe “sopphistication” is actually spelled, “sophistication”!

              Are you really wanting to show off your intellect to everyone again? 😀

            • To JoeinNC, one should not attempt to correct grammar when one is totally ignorant. “They’re” means “they are.” That would make his sentence say “they are expensive bullets will have better aim,” which would make no sense at all. Finish high school or go get a GED.

            • I have often heard that local LEOs practice with carry ammunition. They can afford to practice with the pricey stuff. We are paying the freight.

          • Didn’t I already basically state the same thing above? Just sayin’

          • @JoeinNC Be Informed is right, you don’t limit a person can only buy so much ammo per month. They are comming up with these laws and are having trouble to some point. Thank god we have balance with GOP but even some of them are sellouts Joe. I know you know this but everything is in full gear and restrictions and invasion of privacy is higher than ever and tracking whatever we do. The tracking will only get worse and more in depth. Once they establish this Joe it will be too late and the elites will have control of everything and do whatever they want with the power of the military behind them. Then things slide out of control and the game is over for us. This is a critical time and place right now, more than ever I believe and we must be armed to the tee against these illegal search and seizures etc. forgive my spelling

            • You don’t have to apologize for your spelling clint. You aren’t like JoeinNC giving grammar lessons to everyone when it’s very obvious he can’t spell or construct a sentence himself!

              Or, Joe, was that speal and konstructk?? ;D

        • Just who do you think they will use that ammo on?

      12. There’s a man going around taking names
        And he decides who to free and who to blame
        Everybody won’t be treated all the same
        There’ll be a golden ladder reaching down
        When the Man comes around

      13. I still don’t see how all that money will make you bullet proof.

      14. I truly believe a financial collapse is on its way. I have tried to warn my friends over the last few years, some are beginning to wake up but there are many that think matters will improve soon. By far the majority of people do not understand fractional reserve banking as it is operated today.

        I have done an animated cartoon link below. It’s called “too broke to borrow”

        • Pretty good. And quite true.

        • You do some very awesome work! I salute you.

      15. Again I look for something MAJOR to happen in late Sept. To mid Oct. Time 8/20-10/20, thing are gearing up at super sonic speed now, get your prep’n done now or as close to it as resources will allow. Beef up your home defenses and check your gear you know what I mean. PULL IT ALL OUT OF THE BANKS NOW OR LOSE IT. The heavy’s are drawing into a ball like an armadillo, why do you think G W, D C, etc. are not going to be at the REPUB Party, their getting out of dodge city, they know what is coming in next 60 days or so. All the rich are pulling out of WALL STREET why not you, If nothing happens stock prices are down get back in if you wish with more shares to play with. New helmets for the army to withstand better from small arms fire, specks to them by Sept. 4 why the rush, and alot of the ammo is to delivered by the end of Sept. again why the rush. If TPTB are rushing why not you, don’t be caught flat footed. The stink from it hitting the blades is getting very strong now and soon the real stuff will be flying. One more time tell people what is happening and if they laugh at you walk away, they were warned for the last time. After it starts and they come running to you, one bettween the headlights and go on. They will be back to get what you have worked to put back, don’t think they won’t. Set down tonight with your family and talk about what is coming, it’s not good, go over your plans, but hear them out. Do some serious soul searching this weekend you are going to need it for the up coming event. TWAWKI will end soon, I for one will do every thing I can to ease the fall for my family. If thats means anything to any of you, you will also for yours. I think or hope when it happens, a lot of the so called other side will go home to do the same for their families. THAT IS MY PRAY TO MY LORD.

        • F I A T H doesn’t spell faith, sorry. Good acronym, but not quite spelled correctly.

          • F faith
            A always
            I is
            T trustin’ in
            H Him


            • F Fully
              A Always
              I I
              T Trust
              H Him

            • F forsaking
              A all
              I I
              T trust
              H Him

        • September 12 could be interesting.

      16. Oh well , since I am not rich and dont have a lot of money to put into gold I guess I will just have to store more food and wait this crap out. I think it will be funny that if tshf and some of these wall street asswipes have bought some prepper property and get to it in time and have done some prepping, what are they going to do when it is grid down and they have no water, no power, and only mt. house packs to eat. They will have no skills, no prep community and no one to back them up when some of the neighbors find out who they are, and were probably will be held responsible for this mess. I think there may be some harder times ahead for the bankers and brokers than anyone else.

      17. God help us all

        Take care

        • Good afternoon or evening Burt ! 🙂

          • Eagledove

            Evening to you. Hope you and yours are well.

            Take care

            • Hello Burt;

              Everything is fine here and the weather is beautiful! I gotten so tired of the heat wave we had.

              How are you and your daughter?


      18. PLEASE forgive on the FAITH

        • Ah, never mind my above comment. I did not see this one that you made. Good catch hombre!

        • Morning Eagledove

          We are both good thanks. We would dearly like to swap some of your sun for some of our rain though.32.4*C in parts here yesterday, sadly not my part lol, we had to make to with 21 and cloud but at least a whole 18 hours without rain.

          Take care

      19. didnt we read these articles a few months ago ???

        • Remind us of them if so. List them out to prove your point.

        • @ RICH99. Everyone truly knows your opinion on the financial stability, you feel everything is going to be fine with it. This is your opinion. However I have never understood how you can know what is going to happen with the planet itself. Just look at New Zealand, 4 volcanoes. Just look at how fast Fukushima came on. The largest horizontal earthquake ever a few months ago. Just this week the largest deep focus earthquake on a major plate occurred at 7.7. The 8.1 deep focus quake a few years ago was on a small plate, the Nazca plate. I have a textbook that says deep focus earthquakes don’t get over 6.9, WELL! There is some serious sh&* going on with the planet. I don’t know why you never bring this up.

          I don’t understand why you put away and prepare unless you to feel something is coming. If you feel that it will be 5-8 years, why store anything now? Is there one SHTF event that Mac has brought up on this site that you can agree with is possible soon?

          • It is really none of your business why someone else prepares? This kind of question indicates that you think someone should think just like you and behave as youthink they should. Gee, that mindset sounds familiar. Where have I seen that? Oh yeah, allegedly from the PTB som many are running scared of.

            • @ JoeinNC. Just was curious about why RICH99 even bothers to come to the site. This is a site in which very interesting articles are printed and RICH99 comes on and puts down so many articles without explaning to anyone exactly why. Good healthy debate and being able to show your point of view benefits everyone and gets everyone to think. RICH says that nothing is going to happen for at least 5-8 years, then logically why should he start to prepare until 4-5 years from now. RICH comes on and is very highly critical of the articles here and someone like this should better explain themselves just why in detail.

              For one thing if others knew what RICH was worried about and why he prepared maybe he would not get all of his comments immediately collapsed like you said they do to your comments. IF RICH is preparing like he said he is, then there is something there that he fears is going to happen. What is wrong with stating this? Maybe Mac might find it interesting and do an article about it. I myself feel that people are vastly under prepared for a pandemic.

              Let’s face it this site has had some characters on it that just come on to attempt to aggrevate by going exactly opposite of what others feel to get a reaction, they are called trolls. Maybe RICH believes what he says, if so then explain it in an intellectual way rather than something that just sounds like someone trying to cause problems. We all have such little time left, and I wish that these trolls such as (*), finx, and many others would go to some other site and never come back as they just take up time and energy of others.

              The people on this site are honest freedom cherishing people that have a wealth of information that can help all of us get more ready for what is coming. You would be amazed when you have a question about preparation how much knowledge is actually out there from the good people on this site.

            • @ JoeinNC. You have to see how screwed up things are, instead of coming on here and calling everyone names, why not contribute some ideas on preparation? Every person has unique ideas on getting ready. You complain about people collapsing your comments, then give the good people on this site a reason not to do so. Maybe an idea on storage, buying with coupons, water purification, wild plant identification, something positive to help others prepare. What would be wrong with this? If you want people to be more receptive to your comments, then why not try to contribute something you know about preparation that can help others?

            • BI,

              Don’t give him the time of day or waste your energy on his crap!

              He thinks he’s intelligent. After all, he was giving everyone an English lesson above. He was showing off his grammar skills and his mastery of spelling!

              You know Joe, like “possisive”, and “sopphistication”!!!!

              GIVE IT UP and go back to mommy’s basement! 😀

            • Joe in NC

              That’s rubbish. Enquiring why a person does something is nothing like assuming they should think and behave like anyone else.

              I could spend quite a while taking umbrance at many of your posts but there is little point, you are obviously set on being an irritating, annoying, pain in the backside.

              “is it really none of your business why someone else prepares?”

              I think you should have said any instead of none, but hey, what do I know? You make quite a few mistakes relating to commonly used words but then correct others, often when they were right in the first place.

              When you live in a glasshouse it is advisable not to throw stones is the best analogy I can come up with at this time of the morning.

              Take care

            • Joe,Joe,Joe. You remind me of my dumb-ass brother. He will climb a tree backwards to prove his point and try to make himself feel superior to others.. In reality all he is doing is what you are doing…. digging yourself into a hole deeper and deeper. A little quote for you and my brother: “It is better to keep your mouth closed and be assumed as a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt!”

              Hi to ya there Burt! Hope all’s well in GB. And, good points to JoeinNC.

          • BI, when people start calling me names, I am sure I have won the debate.

      20. An after thought durning the CENSUS they were taking GPS readings at your front door why. To know RIGHT WHERE YOU LIVE. At the time I thought it was strange, but now I know. Another piece to the puzzle.

        • I have moved, and will be moving again in the near future.

          In fact, it is getting very near time for me to totally disappear without a trace…

          • There no way you will give up the attention.

      21. My checking account will be empty today. I wonder what will happen to my mortgage if Wells Fargo goes under? I haven’t really heard about how they are doing.

        • Hey JL,

          Weiss Money and Markets is among the best out there. And he has been spot on on his bank ratings and predictions. Here’s a list of the 10 BEST and the 22 WORST banks. Hope this helps (but if I were you, I’d be changing banks! Go to a Credit Union if you must have a bank):

          GE CAPITAL BANK – Salt Lake City, UT A
          GOLDMAN SACHS BANK USA – New York, NY A-
          FIRSTBANK – Lakewood, CO B+
          USAA SAVINGS BANK – Las Vegas, NV B+
          SIGNATURE BANK – New York, NY B+
          PROSPERITY BANK – El Campo, TX B+
          AMERICAN EXP CENTURION BK – Salt Lake City, UT B+
          AMERICAN EXPRESS BANK FSB – Salt Lake City, UT B+
          UBS BANK USA – Salt Lake City, UT B+


          METLIFE BANK NA – Morristown, NJ E
          FLAGSTAR BANK FSB – Troy, MI E+
          TCF NATIONAL BANK – Sioux Falls, SD D-
          COMPASS BANK – Birmingham, AL D
          EVERBANK – Jacksonville, FL D
          SUNTRUST BANK – Atlanta, GA D
          STATE FARM BANK FSB – Bloomington, IL D
          HUDSON CITY SAVINGS BANK – Paramus, NJ D
          FIRSTBANK PUERTO RICO – San Juan, PR D
          E*TRADE BANK – Arlington, VA D
          ARVEST BANK – Fayetteville, AR D+
          PEOPLES UNITED BANK – Bridgeport, CT D+
          CHASE BANK USA NA – Newark, DE D+
          SYNOVUS BANK – Columbus, GA D+
          PRIVATEBANK & TRUST COMPANY – Chicago, IL D+
          SOVEREIGN BANK NA – Boston, MA D+
          BANCORPSOUTH BANK – Tupelo, MS D+
          BANK OF AMERICA NA – Charlotte, NC D+
          ASTORIA FS&LA – New Hyde Park, NY D+
          JPMORGAN CHASE BANK NA – Columbus, OH D+
          WELLS FARGO BANK NA – Sioux Falls, SD D+

          • It didn’t format the way I wanted it!!!

            The very last letter (ie, Wells Fargo’s is D+) is the rating. Sorry it may be hard to read, but hope it still helps!

            • Weiss is FOS. Nobody in the real finance biz even knows who he is.

            • Coach, those are the best people to get info from. Never listen to anyone well known by the criminals because they will be one.

            • You’re wrong Old Coach. He’s very well known. He’s been on FOX, ABC, CBS, and a slew of others. His father was an analyst during the Great Depression and called it before it hit too.

              May want to check you facts just a bit more.

            • Why did you join in on slamming Weiss God’s Creation? I didn’t expect that from you!

              Here, go to his site and then you can make up your own mind instead of joining in on the slamming of a good man trying to help us see the truth of finance, profiting from it, and seeing what could come our way.


              and of the sites you will see, I like probably the best.

        • That’s really disgusting.

        • They gotta eat to live too —sounds like a “Hail Mary” to me.

      22. First and foremost, George Soros is an EVIL sonofabitch and there isn’t a single event he participates that doesn’t have something suspicious and/or sinister associated with it.

        Therefore, anything, ANYTHING, that George Soros is involved with deserves the utmost caution when analyzing it (or trying to).

        Soros is not investing in actual gold buillion to take delivery so part of the article is misleading readers. Investing in paper-gold, Soros can be in and out with a fast profit and will not have to fund transaction fees to buy/sell actual gold. (This discussion was just posted here yesterday and no need to re-write what’s been stated.) Paulson has even more exposure than Soros, much more interesting storyline there, but again, with both, we’re talking paper-gold, not physical gold. HUGE difference.

        On Soros, we can speculate all we want but the bottom line on Soros is that his own financial history speaks for itself: good or bad. His blip-of-a-move into SPDR Gold is not earth-shattering — it is indicative of how he performs financial moves and possibly indicative of the first of several financial moves he’s setting up to make. Remember, checkmate is a series of moves, not just one easy step.

        Reread the provided quote from Soros and while reading his own words, remember that he and his sordid organizations have funded the Occupy movement (among many other movements and organizations):
        “As anger rises, riots on the streets of American cities are inevitable. “Yes, yes, yes,” he says, almost gleefully. The response to the unrest could be more damaging than the violence itself. “It will be an excuse for cracking down and using strong-arm tactics to maintain law and order, which, carried to an extreme, could bring about a repressive political system, a society where individual liberty is much more constrained, which would be a break with the tradition of the United States.”

        Author Snyder mentions the “spark” issue and this is what most of us speculate on. Or will it be a black swan event? We won’t know until the S splats, will we? But most of us agree that there is an unprecedented culmination of problems right now — so let’s focus on the ever-increasing probability of TSHTF and ratchet it up as much as we can.

      23. thank you michael and mac. excellent article. too bad there are so many people out there who label all of this as ‘fear propaganda’. so many refuse to see this for what it is- the dire reality. Soros is a greedy dog, but the truth is, he is looking to preserve his wealth by getting out of the crooked system before it falls apart, and putting it into a hard asset that has been true money sice ancient times. china has been stockpiling gold at levels never seen before, all the while expressing their disgust in the u.s. petrodollar and QE dollar printing.

        connecting the dots is not rocket science, change IS underway as we speak.

        Please open your eyes America, spread the word and prepare for the ones you love.

      24. I don’t care for soros either but when he talks we should listen. Prepare expeditiously. I you think you have enough…get more.

      25. Keep prepping like there’s no tomorrow. Seems like that may be the case. Out of the darkness there will be a new light so lets all meet there. God Bless and Peace be with you all.

        • Such a great post, fiftyfive..sweet.

      26. We will survive and move forward if united we stand.

        I’m not too worried.. Food, water, guns-Ammo, etc etc.. I’m ready to pull up a chair under a shade tree.. Catch up on my reading.. And take life slow.. 1 day at a X..

        That’s if.. It happens

      27. the article is poorly researched and factually incorrect. soros didn’t buy gold, he bought GLD. now, he may have preferred shares of the ETF, but he sure as shit didn’t spend $130million on physical bars.

      28. I’ve read over and over again that significant financial event happen most often in September. FYI

      29. down down down the rabbit hole

        and its gonna take more than one red pill for this journey

        the people really running things are evil beyond words

        our lives and the lives of our children mean nothing to them

        • ” our lives and the lives of our children mean nothing to them ” that there are words and reason enough to prep.


        Gangs Mobs of unlawful unrestrained immoral youths , local organized CRIMINAL gangs and criminal alchi drug users traffickers will rule the streets your neighborhoods with violence on UN NWO Martial Law Day 2012 .

        Something everyone must think of , plan on … THE LOCAL GANG THREAT !!!

        I know where I live in the NW Rockies there are very active (local only) white drug thief gangs and even mexican gang members transplanted from california . Who are all networked together through drug use , prostitution , robberies , fencing stolen property . I personally know these people , they parasite feed on the other “good” folks of where I live . And openly harass attack rob any one who stands up to them .

        The u.s. military is infused contaminated by these same kinds of people and the problem is growing . example : ms 13 , 18th street possee , mexican mafia , latin kings , white Aryan nation , juggaloo’s , los azteca , crips / bloods , black gorilla family , black panthers etc etc .

        All are now in the u.s. military more join every day to learn to fight kill and they are stealing army weapons to sell back to their gangs back home !

        Its these very gang member troops who will be on your streets neighborhood block enforcing martial law upon you and your families ! robbing you raping you your daughters killing your families for your valuables or just cause they can !

        Biker gangs are also a local threat in drug trafficking , drug manufacturing , kidnapping , illegal human trafficking , white slavery , prostitution known biker gangs are : mongols – hells angels – brotherhood of silence and more … these gangs are all very real prepper peeples !!!

        And will All be a very BIG THREAT on UN NWO MARTIAL LAW DAY 2012 !!!

        PREPARE !!!


        • 99% of all biker “gangs” are composed good people who like to ride the steel horse, drink some beer, and generally have a good time with each other. There are some bad biker gangs, but most would go out of their way to help in a bad situation.

          Bikers Who Care, really do. They ride for the enjoyment of it, and use that to raise money for worthy causes. And all have each others back. Treat them with respect and you will get it back from them.

          I have known many bikers in my life. They are not at all as portrayed by Hollywood. In fact, they are some of the finest Men I have known.

          • @gc … this report is about gawd-damn criminal organizations not the puckin “harley davidson owners bike club!”

            i know what the puck i’m talking about as i was a bouncer doorman SECURITY for 2 years at a biker bar owned by THE HEADSMEN BIKER CLUB in billerica mass right next door to the billerica house of corrections . they are a brother club to the HELLS ANGELS . YA PUCKIN DIMTARD !!!

            i’m puckin done wasting my pucking time posting sheeit here …

            bunch of fuckin morons !!!


            • Not all biker clubs are associated with the bad ones. It is ALWAYS a mistake to lump unrelated things together. It is called prejudice.

              Your posts show what you are made of so I need say no more.

            • …and when push comes to shove — THEY WILL FIGHT ALONG SIDE OF US FOR THEIR FREEDOM TOO. I’d rather them stand with me than against me.

            • Nina

              For Gods sake stop yelling.

              One person disagreeing with you does not mean we all have to be called a “bunch of fuckin morons” we are all grown ups mate, we know there are good and bad in every group, bikers or not. For what it’s worth I doubt either one of you are right regarding 99% being either all good or all bad.

              Nina, we are all here, give or take the odd person who just comes on to stir things up, because we are concerned about the way the world is going. We are all worried about the destruction of civil liberties and the power and plans of the government. Even though we are all here for approximations of the same reasons we still differ in out views and that’s right and proper, that’s freedom and that’s what this site is about.

              Take care

            • I spend much time in AZ deserts and run into some of the “interesting baseness’s” biker “Groups” And you are very correct if you screw with us at a ?????? Level they will be the one I would be one of many I would greet with open hands at the front lines, in a second.

            • Is it just me, or did FB’s comment make not one damn bit of sense?

          • Cocopufftoomuchpothead is extremely too vulgar, violent in nature, and an all around NUT. Just ignore him, he ain’t worth your time or mine.

            • I agree, but I can’t sit silently while someone is attacking bikers out of ignorance. I know too many good ones.

            • John TP

              Each to their own, we are all entitled to our opinions and just because you don’t agree with someone does not mean they are a nut.

              We are all individuals and we all have our own ways of getting across what we feel or the way we see things. Unless you have changed your name you have not been here all that long, certainly not long enough to decide who is what and why if you get my meaning.

              Take care

            • Burt,

              I take it you are in the UK. Why are you here if so? This is an American site isn’t it, for American problems? Not slamming you just asking because I have an aversion to taking advise from anyone who is not a Citizen of the country they give advise about. Just sayin’

              But whatever. I was gonna green thumb you on the comment to the NUT above because you put your opinions out there very well. But then I read you slamming me because of my opinion that that guy is a NUT! You can’t have it both ways.

              If you can justify N.O.’s rants as anything but NUTS then more power to you. Why didn’t you advise me on the vulgar and violent descriptions I used too? Could it be that those are right on target too? Just like those, the NUT comment IMHO (which is my right to have, correct?), is right on.

              You take care too.

            • John TP ~

              The problems we are facing are universal. A person who loves freedom is a person who loves freedom. A person who is being hit by the economic crisis is a person who is being hit by the economic crisis.

              These issues are NOT merely an American issue. The majority of people here are American but that does not invalidate the opinions of those from other countries. I can read the posts of a lot of Americans whose advice I wouldn’t take either. You need to look at the contribution at face value, not from a nationalist point of view – that’s pretty narrow minded.

              Burt is well-liked here because she is witty, intelligent and kind. She’s been posting here a long time and has earned the respect of many. I’d take her advice any day of the week.

            • Daisy –

              Ahh, another defense of the womanhood. Nice.

              Fine. I gather then you are a foreigner too by your defense of the issue. If so that’s cool. Universal or do you mean global? I don’t think Mars has this problem or even Saturn or anyone else in the universe.

              So since you are insisting to butt in where you don’t belong, have at it. It’s a woman’s prerogative after all right?

            • And by the way Ditsy Daisy, DON’T tell me what to think. I am a true believer in Nationalism. Without borders, language and culture we are nothing. So, stay where ever you are, keep your commands of what I and others need to do to yourself!

              Buh Bye now.

            • Nope, I’m not a foreigner John TP.

              I initially addressed you without insult – I merely stated my opinion. I defended Burt because she is right, not because she is female. You, of course, had to devolve to a lame attempt at insulting my intelligence.

              I think your real problem, John, is women who are smarter than you. I imagine you find the world a very threatening place, what with all of these foreigners and uppity women running around. We should all be banished barefoot to the kitchen, posthaste.

            • Really? No. My problem with guys or gals is the NeoCon crappola that they dish out. Just like you do. Has nuttin’ to do with gender but with attitude and belief.

              And by the way I know that I’ve read a month or two ago that you’re a Canadian. So you think that’s part of the US do you? Hmmmmmmm… sorry lady, it’s not. You see it is a National thing, not like you and Mrs. Clinton thinks. You know it “takes a village” crap.

              I’m tired of your weakness and your weak arguments so take your NeoCon crap elsewhere and have a good day.

            • I thought you sounded familiar John TP – I was quite certain I recognized your tone.

              I live in Canada at this time but I am as American as you are. I am NOT a Canadian.

              You are only discrediting yourself by flinging insults – you keep changing your username but you can’t seem to change your true colors that show through every single time.

          • TP ~

            You are more than naive if you think that the issues are strictly American issues. I agree with you that national sovereignty is vital – but the things going on are leading the WHOLE WORLD towards a one-world government to be led by the globalists at the UN. That makes this a WORLDWIDE problem – not just a national one. I’m sure that the Europeans or the South Americans or the Canadians that post here do not want to answer to the boys in the blue helmets any more than the Americans do.

            Instead of drawing lines about who has the right to speak and who doesn’t how about some positive ideas to stop the issues affecting us all – economic collapse driven by the international banking cartel, the depopulation agenda let by the globalist oligarchs, the UN leaders that dangle the American president along like a marionette, the impending martial law that is going to be enforced everywhere by the UN “peacekeepers”?

            It’s a common enemy, John, not just an American one.

            I’m not going to swap insults with you – call me all the names you want – I’m here to learn and to share what I have learned.


            • I can see where I could sound familiar to you. I’ve seen several tell you the same thing here. And you’re not just here to learn and share that is a given. You’re here to butt in where you’ve not been invited and try to stir the pot and show yourself as an intellect of some sort.

              Like I said earlier I am tired of your weakness, your worldview BS and your false sense of superiority. I don’t have time for you and your attempt at dominating a conversation. So don’t worry I won’t address you again, because you simply won’t get it anyway.

              Buh bye now!

        • Yeah, and the way this country is headed, THEY WILL BE THE ONES WITH THE MOST $$$ and GUNS, the GUNS will be illegal and only in the hands of those willing to break the ‘law’, or by selling dope to make $$$ under the IRS radar…don’t forget the gov will seize everything it can find, and illegal money and guns are harder to find than the registered, accounted for ones.

          • John TP

            Not slamming you or giving advice either. Yes I am in the UK is that a problem no key else seems to think so posting by phone as having a rather long power cut so sorry for a t typos. Yes I wish nina wouldn’t shout a d name call but if I say to him not to name call seems only right to say the same to you.

            If you have a problem with me ignore me by all means.

            Take care

            • Just tried to post and predictive text put me as rut the Brit lol

              Sorry john tp i am in moderation catch you later

              Take care


        Gangs Mobs of unlawful unrestrained immoral youths , local organized CRIMINAL gangs and criminal alchi drug users traffickers will rule the streets your neighborhoods with violence on UN NWO Martial Law Day 2012 .

        Something everyone must think of , plan on … THE LOCAL CRIMINAL GANG THREAT !!!

        I know where I live in the NW Rockies there are very active (local only) white drug thief HOME INVASION gangs and even mexican gang members transplanted from california . Who are all networked together through drug use , prostitution , robberies , fencing stolen property . I personally know these people , they parasite feed on the other “good” folks of where I live . And openly harass attack rob any one who stands up to them .

        The u.s. military is infused contaminated by these same kinds of people and the problem is growing . example : ms 13 , 18th street possee , mexican mafia , latin kings , white Aryan nation , juggaloo’s , los azteca , crips / bloods , black gorilla family , black panthers etc etc .

        All are now in the u.s. military more join every day to learn to fight kill and they are stealing army weapons to sell back to their gangs back home !

        Its these very gang member troops who will be on your streets neighborhood block enforcing martial law upon you and your families ! robbing you raping you your daughters killing your families for your valuables or just cause they can !

        Biker gangs are also a local threat in drug trafficking , drug manufacturing , kidnapping , illegal human trafficking , white slavery , prostitution known biker gangs are : mongols – hells angels – brotherhood of silence and more … these gangs are all very real prepper peeples !!!

        And will All be a very BIG THREAT on UN NWO MARTIAL LAW DAY 2012 !!!

        PREPARE !!!


        • WOW…

        • i apologize to everyone for the double posts … if you see a double post its cause i’m under hack dns denial-of-service attack by the fedgov dhs darpa feds and i’m forced to try to force through the attack my postings .

          sincere apologies to you all .


          • Sure you are under dns attack, we understand :-~

            • Denial of Sense?

            • Exactly!!! Good one!

        • Folks, N.O. is dead on the money with this report.

          Want a fictional but accurate account, then chase down an old scifi thriller titled:

          Lucifer’s Hammer

          Its coming soon.

      32. Anyone heard anything from Manos? I have some friends with family in italia and they are not very optimistic for a euro turnaround!

        • D-Dan ~

          I heard from him last week. Things are very grim. It’s a different world than it was just a few months ago. Even though he prepped, he’s been hit very hard.

          If you are a pray-er, PRAY…’cause there is just nothing else left to do.


          • Could you ask him to post an update.

            • FBP ~

              I will ask him. His spirits have really been down and it has been quite awhile between replies lately.

              ~ D

            • How do I earn thumb down asking about Manos GC and Kevin????????

            • Because you are so loved!

            • FBP ~

              It’s just a sign of overall popularity, or that you really ticked someone off elsewhere. The power of the thumbs down button is akin to giving a 3 year old the remote control. Don’t let it bug you. 🙂


            • Iknow Daisy and I agree sometime downs are better. But when it come to the issue with him I wish they respect the request at its face value.

            • Wha, wha, wha, wha!!!! Whear is me remot at? Whear oh whear! Wha, wha, wha, wha!


            • @ Facebook;

              I didn’t thumb you down…., but you might have been thumbed down because you asked to have him post, when he is in dire straits.

              Have a good day Facebook. 🙂

      33. “expected and warranted”

        ““The dam is just about to break on our economy, and I think when it does, there’s going to be a major disruption of the distribution of food,” he added. “And I think what you’ll see particularly in the inner cities is you will see riots, civil unrest that ultimately might justify martial law.”

        • General Boykin is hard to read sometimes. He’s a frustrated warrior, knows who’s running the show, but won’t say it…

      34. 2012? Does it mean something? I wish I knew. Many times people can bring about self phophesy, and it sure seems like the financial institutions are doing their best to bring it about. The planet is something that humans don’t control, and if Mother Nature decides to unleash a catastrophic event, well then. The money of this world is controllable, and either THEY want this collapse to occur so THEY can bring about their plans to control, OR there is some of the stupidest people alive handling the monetary systems of the world.

        It just doesn’t seem like there is going to be an election, there might be as I cannot see the future, but it sures seems like all this hype about the election means nothing. Something else I have noticed that could just be the drought in the nation, but it could be something else. The wildlife around the area is acting bizarre and spastic. We have had worse droughts here and the animals have not acted like this. There is a desperation for example I have never seen before, even when enormous amounts of food is put. You see these birds and they are fat plump butterballs and they just cannot get enough food. During the previous extreme drought, birds and other animals never acted this way. The spiders are acting like they have itching powder all over them. Animals are also sensing something.

        Animals are the ultimate preppers, at least those ones that store up for later, and the squirrels are taking all the food they get and hiding it now. Normally they wait until late September to do that here. The robins are very fat and they are literally stuffing themselves with nightcrawler worms on newly watered grasses. The animal are acting like hideous times are coming. I wonder if others around the country are seeing this also.

        Something disturbing also is that there are more black helicopters in the air than anytime during the past 3 years or so. This could just be training, but for what?

        I know this sounds like conspiracy things, but I truly feel that one of the basic traits of being a prepper/survivalist is the be extremely aware of the surroundings and what is going on. I see some strange happenings. Has anyone else seen anything that strange and out of the ordinary where they live? Could be signs of something to come.

        • BI….The neighbor and I went to check our gravity flow spring water system out last week. I have never seen it this low in the 25 years we have lived here. He has lived here 65 years and never seen it this low. We are on the plus for rainfall so I hope maybe it is just a leak.The system was installed by the RR as a water stop for the steam engines so that tells you how long it’s been in existence. Another unusual thing is that the oaks have been dropping their acorns already and they are still green.I’m not sure why this is.

          • @JRS…I have noticed for the past few days that the leaves are falling to the ground from many of my trees, but thought maybe they are dead leaves due to the lack of rain water here in my area (Ont. Canad

            But I keep prepping but got everything mixed up on my lists….so going to try to correct that this week-end….also got 20 jars of corn relish put down today!

            I am a bit frightened for my 18 yr old grandson, going off to college, as he will be 3 hrs. away from home…the only good thing is that he spent 6 yrs in air force cadets and has had many survival courses(had to build his own “lean to”(not sure if that is spelled correctly or not?) Also had to eat berries and plants in the woods as they only had one package of mre’s provided…..I know I am now ” rambling on” think I am a bit frightened of all that is coming!

            • @JRS ….That should be Ont. Canada….guess I better stop typing tonight as my spelling will suffer!! LOL

          • @ JRS. I think one of the most frightening experiences is seeing the lack of water to drink and use. It really freaks you when you see no water period. People take clean water way to for granted. Prepping should always include water, at bare minimum 50 gallons per person.

            The oak trees probably know that unless they drop their acorns now, there will be little chance later of them seeding out. A tree normally is trying to reproduce, and dropping acorns now is a bad sign. The oaks are trying to reproduce while the time is still available to do so.

          • JRS, we have loads of premature acorn drops too — very green nuts — we’ve never seen this phenomenon. And the squirrels are already eating them. We’re in VA and not in the drought at all. We didn’t have much of a Winter season and for us, Spring and Summer were very early. I think the Autumn season is here already too.

            • Down in Florida we have been breaking records with rain and have had only one hurricane. What I find odd about this year is the massive draught in certain areas and massive rainfall in others. And I watch earthquakes and volcanoes and the earth is gearing up for something. Right now there are 181 earthquakes, expect about 50 in the next week. We are breaking records for a reason.

        • How about railroad coal cars with solar panels mounted on the sides. Seen them twice now. They appear to be filled with gravel, and are left to sit for extended periods. I know a bit about solar, and I’m guessing about 40 watts of panel per car. Today there were six cars and they were parked on rails commonly in use.

        • We live in a rural mountain community about 60 miles from the nearest large city. Our county municipal airport is just minutes away, as the crow flies. For the past six months the military/black or drab helicopters have been flying out by our place with increasing trips per week. In the past month their trips have become daily events. It’s mostly two at a time. Something is in the works.

        • No change in animal behavior that I have noticed, although the drought has JUST started here. But the helicopters are so frequent that I almost forget to look up anymore. Washington state here what area of the country are others in?

          • @ Don’t tread and HalfKin. I have asked people this about the black helicopters, if the country is so stable then why are so many of them in the air? They have no answer. Some of the black helicopters here always follow the same flight paths, others will sometimes not. Many years ago we saw a black helicopter every other week or so, then after 9/11 it was everyday. Then there was a sort of lull, where it was every other day or so for the past 3 years or so. Now it is much more frequent, at least everyday. Something is happening and keen observations are important, as it alerts us all to strange happenings aroound the country and world.

        • BI, excellent observation about the animals, here in the pineywoods region the ants are storehousing like no tomorrow. The squirrels are going after pears,figs and they are already taking unripened nuts. The thing is you can feel the urgency in their gathering efforts. The birds, Jays and cardinals aggressively go after the cats left overs. Kudos Bi, I thought I was imagining this behavior. ” go to the ant thy sluggard, and watch her ways” with Godspeed, prep hard, stay alert.

          • @ Gregory the watcher. OMENS of things to come. I have found that people overthink and over analyst everything, especially myself, but animals just feel. While a person might discount a bad feeling and not act on it, animals just do whatever is necessary to get ready. By watching abnormal animal behaviour, people can see what is coming. Much research has been done in animals predicting earthquakes.

            The ants around the area here have stopped coming out and swarming on a food source, they to are going underground and taking what they have with them there. During the last bad drought the ants were actually looking desperately for water, this time they are taking everything they can below ground. Normally this going underground takes place a little bit before squirrels go storing up crazy around middle September.

            Another real strange thing I have noticed are the beetles that normally wait until October or later to start trying to come inside, they are trying to get from the outside in. It is still in the 80’s here, and every single time the beetles wait until at least the first hard frost to seek shelter.

            Even weird government action could mean that someone knows something that the animals are sensing. Man has such an arrogant attitude about all that technology can do, but the planet, the sun, space itself can instantly make everyone seem quite tiny when SHTF from the geophysical part of it. Any strange, especially unheard of, action should not be dismissed. Everyone out there should seem like they have noticed something different in the past week or month around their home.


            Animals are spooked, and it sure would interesting to hear of anything else from around the country, and other countries about animals acting strange, or plant life. If anyone else has spotted anything going on that is bizarre with the planet in their area this could be very valuable insight of something coming for all of us.

            • Where I live, local plants seem to be having a hard time, not cycling normaly. Been hot lately, have’nt seen to much animal activity.

            • our gardens are not protected by anything other than the squash vines around the perimeter….and nothing-not even hornworms have been stealing or eating out of our gardens…i discussed this with a few friends and the conclusion that we have come to is that animals are not reproducing as they have in the past years has been a good year since i have seen the normal herd of deer passing through. it just might be a very lean year for hunters this year with our animal population way down in numbers.

        • I read today that this winter is supposed to be an extra-cold one with snow and ice, especially in the southeast.

          • I read that too lt.

        • The best thing about a natural SHTF event is that Mother Nature doesn’t play favorites — She hits everyone, without concern for political position or financial prowess…

        • I posted this last week a few times but my family and I saw a P3 Orion 4 prop surveillance plane fly low and slow over Kalamazoo in sw Michigan. I have never seen one of them here before. It had no markings and was just silver. Also have seen a few white panel vans with gov plates out here on back roads that I have not seen in our area before.

          • @ glacialhills. What is so important is that they need to spy on the citizens? Kalamazoo is much distance from the Canadian border, so internation drugs is not likely the reason. I know some people from Michigan and they say that the state is full of arabs. I wonder if there is going to be some incident with Muslims like from Hezbollah. It seems like the government is on the move all over the country more so then even after 9/11. I wonder if someone is planning a false flag event or something. I should would not put it past them.

            • You are correct, the Muslim population has exploded In the Kalamazoo area (I am talking true, non assimilated muslims speaking arabic and face covered).And Dearborn on the east side of the state now has the largest muslim pop. in the US.

              Making a trip to the Walmart is like going to the Persian gulf and now my white,blonde haired blue eyed wife and kids and I stand out and are in the minority. Seems like most every gas station and convenience store,even out here in rural areas, in the last ten years have changed hands from mom and pop locals and are now run by Arabs.

              Seeing another post on here has made me recall that at night, I hear large Starlifter type jet aircraft flying overhead( much louder than the normal passenger commercial jets flying the Chicago/Detroit corridor) most nights but none in the daytime.

              My wife that is a critical care Paramedic and has a teaching degree and taught Medic and cpr classes IE leo/Nursing/firefighters for the community college was laid off and can not get work in her field and has to work at Taco Bell(best job avail…sad) while she is going back to school for a RN degree, She has a slang for the New population “Sub Beaners” because they all ask(rudely a lot of the time) to substitute beans for meat on their tacos.She is the best.

              You can really feel the tangible change in the makeup and attitude of the area’s population lately, absolutely no desire to fit in or adopt any of our culture.

              Something is most definitely afoot.

            • @

              Sorry to hear of your misfortunate surroundings/transplants. Something I read sometime ago has always stuck with me when God gave a warning to the native people of Judea about their transplants. “But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them [shall be] pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.”

              Now I had to look up the word “vex” and it basically means to “cause much distress”.

              God wasn’t talking about a plague of insects. It was and is a peoples from a certain descent. God knows his people and who is evil and troublemakers. He knows who prays to a false god. Just look what troubles they have brought upon the little country of Israel. The true citizens/patriots of America have allowed “political correctness” to overshadow sound judgment and look what we have to show for it. God help us!

            • @ glacialhills. This is absolutely awful that your poor wife has the skills of a true professional has to work at some job like that. You are the minority in your own country. Then these suckers come over and cry racial discrimination if you don’t bow down to their beliefs and praise allah. If I had to move to another country for some reason, I certainly would respect the culture at which I went and not try to shovel down my beliefs on the natives. These arabs come over here and they automatically assume that everyone in their new country must be pro-muslim or they are infidels.

              Here in the Rocky Mountain region there is a huge anti-muslim movement from what I have heard and seen. We had many muslims that moved in several years, at least hundreds, and they all moved out after the white supremacists evidentally persuaded them to leave. It was something to behold seeing arabs surrounded on all sides while they were driving around town. Still happens when an arab from another area comes to town. I never personally seen anyone injuried, just intimidated. The arabs that were here for a long time sold their homes and left. We see maybe an arab once every two weeks or longer now.

              I personally try to respect every human being, this is the foundation of the constitution is that someone can belief anyway they want to, even if they want to howl at the moon. Someone once made a wise statement, everyone has a right to pursue their happiness AS LONG AS IT DOESN’T INTERFERE WITH SOMEONE ELSE’S PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Those muslims in your area probably totally hate that your poor wife doesn’t cover up her face like how their cult defiles and humilates women. Their way is the ONLY way, as most of these so called moderate muslims actually will immediately side with the radicals (when there is a significant number of them) that want to force their cult down everyone’s throat and then some.

              What I see happening right now is the country breaking off into at least 5 sections; the liberal west, the european style east, the midwestern states torn between the freedom of yesteryear and the oppression of today, the southern states in the same dilemma of the midwest, and the free mountain states that include Alaska. You should see how many people from Michigan have moved to the Rocky Mountains, especially Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, and Montana.

              You are so right, something is afoot. I just hope that when SHTF that those in law enforcement see the difference between the real citizens that hold true the constitution and its values, and those that want to destroy the country’s foundation and install some mid-evil sharia law that is totally barbaric and true evil.

      35. It’s getting closer. The unsettled, apprehensive feeling in my head and heart is getting stronger. Every time I go shopping, a few more canned goods are added to our EOD supplies. I can’t buy gold and basically live paycheck to paycheck, but even on our limited (wicked limited!)budget, we are managing to put things together. I think by this time next year, we are going to be living in a very different world. Prices soaring, Mother Nature stirring the pot, nations bitching and posturing. It’s a formula for chaos and drastic change that most people don’t want to see or know about. The super-rich think they’re going to survive. Guess again. This time, everyone is going to suffer.

        Quick question: Where does Soros put all of that gold? Does UPS deliver it right to his door?

        Misneach, fianna. It comes.

        • the article is (intentionally?) misleading. he did not buy physical gold. he bought shares of a electronically traded fund (ETF) with ticker symbol GLD. GLD (the fund) buys gold (the metal) and the shareholders’ claims to that gold are nonexistant.

          to your greater question: when individuals and institutions buy large quantities of gold, they typically pay for storage of their holdings in a vault, the largest being the one below the NY federal reserve building in manhattan. most countries and central banks don’t even hold physical possession of their gold holdings. so, when one party sells gold to another party, the gold typically just moves from one column on the spreadsheet to another column wihtout actually leaving the secure vault.

        • Answer: a contractor and his hired guns.

          • Now that cost money. Training and ammo is cheaper.

        • Celtic Nana,

          Soros won’t buy physical gold, he already has a zillion dollars, he’s playing a game.

          I miss my Celtic roots, so many have been stripped of them.

          • Just Me,
            I was lucky – my grandparents came over and I spent a lot of time with them, so much so that my first grade teacher thought I’d lived in Ireland – I had a bit of a brogue. Listen to your heart and soul – that’s where the Celt abides.

        • @CelticNana ” Where does Soros put all of that gold?”

          Well I know where it isnt since that spot is currently producing diamonds.

        • He’s only buying it on paper.

      36. BI here in se mi near the airforce base just alot of non military big transports flying out at night never during the day just night no incoming just outgoing.

        • @ AnonLegion. What you have observed is probably one of the most critical indications of something to come. Last night something started up that occurred just like before the second Iraq war, very heavy railroad transport during the night. Then come morning, nothing. You would hear this all night long before the war, this very heavy equpiment being shipped towards the east. I live 2 and 1/2 miles from the railroad tracks and this is so heavy that you can hear it no problem like the train is right around the corner. It is going east, not west. I think we are both seeing a harbinger of something.


          • Well, as others have stated, we have seen a lot of MRAP’s, up-armored Humvees WITH turrets, APC’s, and other military and “civilian” militarized equipment being moved on flatbed trucks and other modes more in the last month and a half than any other time in my recollection. One thing is for sure, I’ve never seen MRAP’s being transported by flatbed anywhere before recently except those that are in need of repair. So, I know something’s up. They too are going east, west, mainly but some I’ve seen are heading north, south.

            • @ Anonymous. We are in some real trouble in this country aren’t we? I can see the United States shipping out military hardware to another country for a possible war. What bothers me and practically everyone else on this site is the mere thought that the government would turn on their own citizens and use some of the military hardware here on U.S. soil against U.S. citizens.

              This is not Iraq, North Korea, Syria, Iran, China, USSR, or the many other Central American banana republics or some backworld African country where the natives eat raw ebola infested gorillas and dictatorship rules. It truly is a sickening, but all true real thought, of the U.S. going down this path.

              By the way talked to some friends that have relatives that are over in the Caspian Sea region on oil rigs and they have shut them down until late next week. I wonder if they know of an impending attack by Israel and or the U.S. The sky will be dark enough for an attack on Iran up until maybe the 23rd at the latest this month. Could be a coincidence or not.

            • Yes sir! This is not the country of my father. Heck, it’s not the country of my childhood!

              With all of the movement of troops, equipment and material within the CONUS, as well as a lot more battle equipped helo’s flying day and night, something is brewing. Be it tyranny here, preps for false flag, training for the Middle East war to come, who knows for sure?

              One thing I do know … I do not believe in coincidences though. So this is planned, what ever it is.

        • Well somebody has to do it, since we’re too stupid to.

      37. If I were a non prepper I’d run out this weekend and buy 5 guns, thousands of rounds of ammo, dozens of flats of water, a few rain barrels, a water filtration system, basic medical supplies and about 20 cartloads of canned food, pasta, rice & beans.

        I’d order mylar bags to store my food. I’d run to Home Depot and pick up about 40 buckets & lids to store it all in.

        I’d also pull my money out of the stock market – pronto. I’d go to the bank & pull out a few thousand in small bills to have around the house.

        I’d visit my local coin shop and buy silver rounds, gold, whatever I can get my hands on.

        It’s not too late to start – it can all be done in one busy weekend. You can fill in the gaps later – if there is still time.

        Take out a loan if you have to.

        • Forgot matches and flashlights/batteries.

          • Lots of tp.

          • Heads up !!

            Do NOT buy OUR FAMILY matches in the blue package.., they are JUNK!!! 🙁

            The flame is very shot lived and I have to strike it 3 or more times to get a fire burning.

            • Family Dollar?

        • I can agree with that, Mr. B. However; I’d go light on the silver and gold thing. There will come a time that the people will “throw their gold into the streets” according to bible prophecy. What does that mean? To me, it means it will become basically worthless. Lead and copper.

          The PTB don’t believe in prophecy, much less the bible. So, they hoarde mass quanties of food,ammo, and gold. When SHTF they can hire guards/asassins for a little chunk of gold and food. The upper echelons will be hidden away in some remote areas or underground bunkers and just plan to wait out the war.

          If there is a period of somewhat calm in your particular neck of the woods, a little gold and silver may be a good bartering tool; but, for most areas food/clean drinking water will be the priority.

          Don’t hock the farm just to purchase supplies. However; if it’s mortgaged already and can’t be paid off, like next week, I’d say get all you can. The “BIG” banks/gov. will wind up with your debt and try to control you with it(I believe). You might end up having to leave it all behind. Plan accordingly, and hope for the best.

          • I agree, Don’t Tread…Gold and silver is probably wise for future investment, but you can’t eat it and at best, you would have to have a mighty force behind it to use it as a weapon to protect your loved ones. 😉

            Food, water, first aid, protection…priorities in my book.

            As the time draws near, remember there is strength in numbers. Go out and meet your neighbors now. Bring them a plate of cookies or brownies, something, just to say hi. I believe that if the SHTF, strong communities must stand together, work together, unite as a force to hold the metaphorical fort down. The old and the young will need our help. I see a lot of people on this board talking about how when this collapse comes they will sit back and watch events unfold. They state that they warned others and now they have to fend for themselves. But if we are truly Americans and we believe in what our constitution states, then we will help our fellow Americans in this time of need and NOT turn our backs on them. I’m not saying give to every single hand that comes your way…but I am saying work together!!!!!

            America is only as great as the people in it. And if we want our great country back, then we must be great people. Please remember that as you prep and as things move forward. Whether you believe in God or not, just know that God does not turn his back on those who love their neighbors.

          • One of the best barter items is a BIC lighter. Small and cheap. I would buy hundreds of these vs. silver and especially gold.

        • Tomorrow I’m looking into building a Faraday cage. I already have some metal shelves. Now I just need to encase them in mesh and run a wire to a pipe.

          • Just had an M 5.6 flare a little while ago.

      38. The article is surely pointing at what is going to be “world economic domino day”.

        This “domino day” is going to start with the collapse of the EURO. It will however not lasting a day but rather 1- 3 weeks. First the EURO is going to collapse within a day. Martial law all over Europe. Provisional Governments taking over with no democratic legitimation. Military in the streets, detention camps, reduced road travel, no air travel, no air travel, no money from the ATMs and food supply insecure.

        For a few days China, the US and some other countries will look like safe havens. Then the shock waves are going to hit China and then the US. For China this might mean civil war and for the US a very shortly delayed collapse. My bet is on Brazil and Russia surviving the mess better then all others because they have enough natural resources to support their populations and have enough industry to produce everything demanded in their countries.

        The big question is if the US or/and China are going to war to cover up the misery?

        The day when the Euro goes down (thats only valid when it happens before the dollar goes down) it might be the last day you will have to prepare. If this should happen I would go shopping during the day and in the evening brief the family and go through all plans, because then in Cold Wars speak DEFCON 1 has been reached.


        *** read learn then compare it to what is happening right here to US ALL HERE in ameriKa AND KNOW THESE VERY SAME CIA FBI FEDGOV DECEPTIONS WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU DURING UN NWO AMERIKAN COMMIE MARTIAL LAW DAY 2012 !!!


        • For many of the younger people here who weren’t alive during the huge anti war movements in the 60’s and don’t think the gov alphabet agencies are actively involved in eliminating any protest they should watch the documentary “COINTELPRO 101”. Research the Church committee hearings. The FBI,etc., sought to and did, “liquidate” (their own documented words) leaders of the Native American, Black, Puerto Rican and White anti war movements by trumped up charges and outright assassinations.They will do the same today if they perceive any one threatens their control.They are afraid of the people.

          • Heck, most of the younger people say, 13 to 28, have their head so far up their ass with hip-hop,celebrity news,gossip, i-phones and sex/drugs; they don’t have a clue as to what’s getting ready to happen. They have had everything handed to them by parents/grand-parents or the social services, that they can’t even think of “work” much less about what’s going on with the gov./PTB.

            There are some good kids, and thank God if you have or know some, but, they are few and far in between. When SHTF the lazy/uninformed will go Boo Koo DinkyDau. The Big cities just thought they had mean gangs. When hunger and boredom sets in, You will see mass killings around the bigger cities. I think the main culprits will be the younger gang members causing the riots and looting. Armed to the teeth, the LE groups everywhere will be overwhelmed by the opposition from the youth. All us preppers will be trying to survive/protect and stay out of their way.

            Wonder why Social Security Administration has a need for mass quantities of ammo? They have armed guards stationed at their buildings/agencies everywhere. When ss retirement and disability funds stop hitting their bank accounts like clockwork, you will see some pretty pissed off people. I can envision a scenario where people storm the ss gov buildings in protest with a rage.

            I sincerely hope it doesn’t come to that, but I’d hate to bet that it won’t

        • al-CIA-duh – Fascist AmeriKan CIA Zionist Jooo sponsored Terrorists “al-CIA-duh” In Syria Hang Child In Public After Executing His Family

          A child hung in public is the latest victim of CIA terrorists conducting death squad raids in Syria.

          As world leaders from the Russian Foreign Minister to even the Vatican have come out against the US using Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria to execute civilians and cleanse Christians in a campaign to over throw the Syrian government, the corporate media continues its blackout of details of the illicit CIA operations being conducted on the ground… cont.


          • Ah, shut up!

        • CNN “FAKES” al-CIA-duh propaganda newscast Syria War video of fake Fascist AmeriKan CIA ZIONIST Jooo agent in Syria .

          Your AmeriKan worthless dollars at CIA MK-ULTRA BRAIN WASHING work enslaving the world under the UN NWO GLOBALIST Fascist Freemason Zionist Jooo Mafia TYRANNY .


      40. To everyone: I’ll agree we have a 2-3 month window before the balloon goes up. But a lot of things can happen in that time frame; however, if I just make it alive into 2013 I’ll be happy. In the meantime, I’m still investing all my extra money in food, water, medical supplies, etc; just keep prepping like there’s no tomorrow. I don’t know anymore than anyone else when TSHTF, but when it finally does, I’ll be as prepared as I possibly can be. I trust everyone else on here will be too. Take care and keep prepping.



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      42. too many of us own guns and at least half if not more of the military will take down those that caused this scam on us,i hope!

        • I would’nt wager on that…

          • I agree, JustMe. With a steady paycheck/provisions from TPTB, the majority of military/LE will do “their” bidding. The ones that are truly christian and show allegiance to God, may step aside and be with us. Very few will give up their meal ticket for what is truth and righteous.

      43. ****************************************************
        ********* OBAMA LEMONADE ********************

        Idea for the Republicans.

        Create a bottled lemonade to sell at convenience stores on the counter.

        WHY? Obama has never run a Lemonade stand!!!!!

        List on the bottles all of Obama’s failures and why
        people should not vote for him.

        Funny how Obama is focused on Romney’s taxes…
        Romney at least knew how to make money in our system.

      44. Really have any of you been to war / combat ? Let me tell you some facts when 10 cops / soldiers line up at your door and make entry it’s over. Yes if your lucky and well trained and in great shape which I doubt any or very few of you are you may get 1 or 2. They are going to take you down and fast at 2:30 in the morning. I have completed 3 tours against a enemy that has fought wars all their life and they don’t stand a chance in a fire fight with any us soldier. That’s why they use IEDs, now don’t get me wrong its greats in theory to impose the tactics you talk about, but when the element of surprise is in the soldiers favor there is not much you can do except resort to guerilla war fare. All of this talk is just that until the bullets fly battle separates the pussies from the men and make no mistake no one knows where they fall until they are down range. I am not for any war or want any thing bad to happen to anyone, however if my family is being threaten with being taken away I am proactive not reactive and only god can save the person that thinks my wife is going to some labor camp. I worked to hard to have a hot wife, like he’ll she is going to dig ditches.

        Best thing any of us can to do is productive citizens,work hard and take care of our families. No one out to get you and hating the government won’t solve your problems. Run for office or vote for real change before you have to make the vote potentially with your life. What’s that saying the only way a tyrant can come to power is if good men do nothing…..

        Be glad they only bought 40 cal ammo level2 vest can stop that shit nothing will stop .308 AP, but an APC. The guy who is always ready for the fight is more dangerous than the one looking
        for one.

        • Thank you for your service to our country.

          • Perfect statement USM. We are not prepared as prepper to be offensive at first. Your first part is so dead on. And uderstand the rest. After a few trip to that part of the world one does have a different out look.

          • (WHOPPER JUNIOR) BABY KILLER USMC MARINE’S are nuthin but weak mindless thievin RAPIN muderin THUG cowards .


            • Definition of psycho: one who likes to see his crap in print. See: NINA~O

        • I have, here is my plan. I have had CQB(close quarters combat)in Navy for you preps that dont know.When they come in but not by myself. They will be looking at a .50 cal BMG SEMI AUTO with AP ammo! That should blow right 1-3 men with Plates etc. We will see. I know at least 2. Shooter at 45 degree angle with full auto p90 with ss190 ammo. and a shotgun 8 shots of ranger segmented slugs that break into 3 parts when hit into legs body etc. We will see what happens. But your right and I know what you are saying. Most will not have this type of power. Inside the home a 3/4 to 1 inch steel booth that will be behind so will be worthless for them. 2 manicans however you spell it with guns in hands and looking like a terrorist to distract for 1 sec. Then to next location in matter of seconds, will not be standing in same spot for more than 12 sec. with new weapons ready to go. Im ready. with padding underneath with a level 3 vest and helmet not 3a and steel rounded plates on outside and leg plates. Show me what they got!!

          • Uh……. OK?

            • They have M110 308 AP 3 shot selective fire X 2 in most every platoon. Go for less armor you can hide better until they give you the shot that you can take and fight a another day with.

          • I they are at fifty cal range don’t shot they have radios and aircraft on station to take out long range shooters. It could be a B1 and they always only seem to have 2000 pounder when they are on station to back up ground troops. Strange it is always that way. And only 195 PS90 or P90 rounds will defeat vests at those levels.

            • Correction: SS 190 are the right ones. Current price at the shows is $250 a box (small one)

            • got 10 boxes of ss190 for sale if anyone is interested. they are over-rated. sure thru kevlar they zip thru but wont go thru a 3/8 inch steel plate. I shot my .338 laupa and it pierced thry 15/16 inch steel or just should say 1 inch steel. with hornady 250 grain stock bullets. got some retumbo and loading max loads in them and going to try in a couple of weeks to see what some sierra match grade will do. should see same results but going to take out from 20 yards to 100 yards to see the damage. the rifle is a savage 110ba/le with a nightforce nsx scope 5.5x22x56 scope if your curious what gun. still can get for under 1900 for gun alone. The only complaint on this gun is that the bolt handle when pulled back in not very smooth at all comapred to a sako or barrett. forgive me spelling.

            • They would sell quickly. But a 338 is a little hard to use at your front door and I thick it a little slow in fire rate. Think about when you are out secure your ???? what will you have with you.

              Remember there will be days weeks of boredom. Them 90 seconds of hell. That is what the true prepper should be training for first. This is not the movies people.

          • And are the round Factory or reloads. Yes I am interested.

            • factory facebook page. the ones that I shot at that 15/16 steel plate. that is about 1 inch it went thru. a couple of the rounds didn’t but balloned the back side all the way out over an inch on the backside. They have some carbide and tungston ones i’d like to get. but these will be for very far long shots if I ever have to use it. its a fun gun kicks like a 12 gauge. pesonally I would just stay with a common round .308

          • Dream on. If you’re fighting inside your house, you’re going to lose. You may be able to make it a little harder for them, but in the end, you will lose. I’ve always heard that the NVA normally lost when they went up directly against the Americans.

            • At your door your first concern should be looters and thugs. When ,”they” come in force to GET YOU the only defence is not to be there.

          • Ok, you have been in a cqc situation and your going to use a 50 cal bolt action bmg? Um not if you want to live, as thats a long range weapon and it’s rate of fire is shit. Plus it weighs 25 pounds and is bulky as hell. In the military we are taught to clear rooms I did it every day 100 times a day for 2 years a dummy is not going to fool anyone with any skill. Plus in a city where your line of sight is at best 200yrds all you need as a Ar-15 and know how to use it and change mags and fix Type1,2 and 3 malfunctions.

            O and CQB is different type of training than CQC they have different tactics and don’t train for the same situations. CQC is training for entry teams and CQB is for platoons that are protecting a position…

            Best tactic against a skilled entry team does any one know ???

            The answer is: don’t be home…


          • Clint, Re-thing your strategy or you will surely die. Of course you will take some with you but with that 50 you should be thinking of reaching out and touching via long distance. Hit and run brother, hit and run!

        • @baby killer usmc marine

          ;0P pssszzt

          whopper junior
          whopper junior
          whopper junior
          WHOPPER JUNIOR !!!

          HEY BABY KILLER go back to your Zionist Jooo owned soldier slave pen , if we need a ditch dug , a woman raped-n-tortured-n-burned-n-murdered , puppy thrown off a bridge , a wife raped-n-beaten , or baby killed we’ll call you !!! promise .

          *** The day the USMC becomes active on usa soil for MARTIAL LAW is the day i for-see alot of u.s. baby killer marines being killed by red-blooded americans for the child-muderin punk bully cowards they truly are !!!

          the usmc marines serve only one master and that is the globalist bankers fascist freemason zionist jooo’s !!!


          • Shut the Hell up. You insane person. But I am glad you are here because then I am not the craziest one on the bus.

            • You notice he doesn’t even have the common decency and courage to reply to USMC’s post directly. He had to make his insane and incoherent statement down here.


            I can provide very “real evidence” to all charges AGAINST THE NWO AMERIKAN TRAITOR PUSSY U.S. MARINES … U.S. MARINES EVEN GANG RAPE THEIR OWN FEMALE OFFICERS after they get done with the Amerikan Traitor Female U.S. Marines when deployed !!!

            ALL PROVEN FACTS !!! U.S.S.A. Marine Corps has the lowest female population and the highest reported case of Gay Rape Abuse, Highest Reported Female Soldier Rape Abuse and highest sexual harassment abuse in the u.s.s.a. gestapo military out of all the other branches of service per capita pop.

            … and these are the troops you “polyanna preppers” want standing on your neighborhoods corners during un nwo martial law day 2012 ???

            What a bunch of Puckin Morons !!!

            Good Luck with that One !!!

            ;0P pssszzt BWAAAHAHAHA


          • Well you are crazy and probbly live wiht your mom who gives you money for the crack and who is the coward losser?

            I would never hurt any one for any reason unless I had no choice never mind even think about hurting a fellow American, however in your case I would gladly make an exception. Talking trash about my wife through a computer really and I am the coward ? You would shit your self if I confronted you in person and you would most likey cry for mercey. However the great thing about me is I am not like you I have a job, home and am a productive contributing member to society, try it some time…

            I am sure I will see you on the news one day either for stealing from an old lady or beating your dog. The only good thing about you is that your to much of a losser to have get a girl so at least we dont have to worry about you bring any additional morons on this planet.

            • It depend on who get there first on the size foot in Nina ass it will be. I’ll add a bit for your wife. Congratulations on the Hot Wife.

        • USMC: I know where you are coming from, I have a few T-shirts that I can wear to prove the fact. Like I said been there and done that, a few years has passed though. 90% of the time they come in the same way, you can set up to give some trouble knowing that. Some good old 06 AP will take out 3-4 at 10yds or less and with that the rest will stop and think. If you don’t fix you place to cause them to take more than one, two hits on the doors you need to die. If you don’t have 06 AP, a 7.62×51 in the chest at that range will get someones attention right quick. You can stop their flash bang and make it fall at their feet just use common sense in your prep’s on the house, fix your windows and the like. If they use a hell fire they don’t get any goodies you have and game over. Use common sense in your prep’s and make them work to get you, I don’t care who they are. Like I said a rocket and game over anyway. THX FOR YOUR WEARING THE UNIFORM! A good man running for office will never be elected, because the ballot box dosen’t work any more. As for hating the goverment,the thugs we have in there I do not see how one can not have a little upset feeling in their gut about it.

      45. man, haven’t been to this place in a while and we got some government agent or troll coming her spread some of the worst propaganda I have seen in a longe, long time.

        the euroe is collapsing, which will trigger a direvitives market crash of the us dollar and we will see a massive banking holiday. Soros is just positoning himself for the new chinese gold back currency that will replace the dollar as the reserve.

        The body vaults was debunked years ago and death camps is a throw back to ww2 propaganda. No, we are not gonna have extermination camps, wiping out…I don’t know…Preppers hunkered down in thier thier bunkers and armed to the teeth. They are not gonna exterminate anyone.

        That is propaganda and nothing more. You don’t have to read tea leaves or watch Soros to see the dollar collpse coming. It’s going to collpase by ther GOA’s own admission.

        The government is too busy protecting thier crooked buddies on wall street, who sent you jobs overseas so they could steal homes in fraudulant forclousers. the government is too busy protecting thier own assets and themselves to worry about mass murder and martial law.

        We are dealing with criminals and nothing more. instead of fear monger about death camps we need to start thinking and planning what will replace the government once it collpases and the criminals all run away with thier loot. Like Russia did.

        This fear mongering is, IMHO, done on purpose by government agents for the sole purpose of keeping the people from discussing what we need to do after the collapse happens.

        • I would actually take the opposite side of your argument, Rachel, in that people like YOU come here and naysay the things we discuss and the articles that are posted. You use your soothing yet ever-so-slightly condescending tone in order to dissuade people from being as alert as they should be to the things that are occurring.

          “Nothing to see here – oh look – bad greedy bankers!” You say this as though the possibility of impending martial law does no loom over our heads – as though war drums aren’t beating everywhere in the world – as though FEMA camps are along the same lines as unicorns. Your post is merely a distraction.

          You say this stuff is ancient history and old news?

          Well, I quote Santanaya in saying “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

          • Daisy I must give you this one. Direct Hit.

      46. there’s two ways to keep slaves

        #1 the old fashioned way using chains and whips
        the disadvantage is ya have to feed them,house them,clothe them etc

        #2 wage/debt slaves these slaves do get paid but only nominally so
        you pay them enough so they can feed and clothe themselves
        instead of using whips and chains for control
        you use propaganda,the MSM and bread and circuses

        the end result is the same
        the slave owner prospers at others expense

        the economy of the western nations is being deliberately destroyed
        they want to bring us all down to third world status
        or reasonably close
        when you see manufacturing jobs in the US that pay 8-9 dollars an hour
        you know they are well on their way to success

      47. Jim Rogers: It’s Going To Get Really “Bad After The Next Election

        “”The resulting chaos is going to crush Americans.”

        “Fitz-Gerald says people should take immediate steps to protect themselves from what is happening.

        “If our research is right,” says Fitz-Gerald, “Americans will have to make some tough choices on how they’ll go about surviving when basic necessities become nearly unaffordable and the economy becomes dangerously unstable.”

        “People need to begin to make preparations with their investments, retirement savings, and personal finances before it’s too late,” says Fitz-Gerald.”

        personally speaking
        I think we at least have until the election is over
        Obama will use everything in his power to hold things together at least until then,otherwise he seriously risks losing the election

        we could have some sort of black swan event either financial or a major natural disaster of some sort
        but excluding those scenarios
        I think we have a few more months

        • …with their investments, retirement savings ANYWHERE BUT IN A BANK ACCOUNT.

        • I like Jim Rodgers.He talks about buying farmland as the best investment.Wasn’t he George Soros’partner at one time?

      48. I was listening to a repeat of Alex Jones with Max Keiser as his guest. Max says the CME is now going to accept gold as payment. It just gets better and better.

      49. “Now why in the world does the Social Security Administration need 174,000 bullets?” — Well, to lighten up their case load, why else?

        • For there 265 Armed agents. Practice training and duty

          • First of all, it’s “their” not “there”…second, you’re a rather obvious troll.

            • My auto correct on my phone is your issue. Go back to your TV and let the prepare deal with this. Lead or follow but stay out of the way.

        • I always budgeted 1,000 rounds per officer per year for training. 200 to 250 rounds per training session, six times a year of which they must attend four.

          To Me the SSA seems a liittle light in their ammo with over 200 agents.

      50. I just want somebody to dig me up so I can go to New York with a BIG GULP. Au shiny is for future options Okie.

      51. Some of the sabot rifled slugs ,when used with a rifled barrel shotgun , are about as accurate as a rifle to 100 -150 yrds. They leave a nice .50 cal sized hole too.They are great for deer hunting (wink).

        • In many place that is all that is allowed for deer hunting. A mossberg 500 with a few barrels is a good starting platform.

      52. Of course at close range 00 buck with a smooth bore barrel might do the trick. I bet I can buy some at the local farm store ,High brass too.. They are the ticket for hunting wild pigs.. Plus if you can get your hands on an 18″ barrell( Cabelas ) you have some fanning effect,especially if you fire in front of there feet on a gravel road.

        • Just saw yours off. If they’re coming for your guns it won’t make much difference if it’s “legal” or not.

          • Your concealed carry permit will have been “suspended”.

        • At 10 meters a cylinder bore has a pattern of about 20″ across. I think bird shot will suffice for most situations.

      53. You people re pathetic and are one reason this country is so screwed up. You reasoning skill are abyssmal and you seem only content in whiiping up further deviseness. If/when the collapse comes, you people are less lkely to survive because of you are easily whipped up into a mindless frenzy. If you do survive, your mindless frenzy will make you dangerous to others since in your frenzy, you will assume for yourself the mantle of authority and will become murderous thugs. I post contrary views to open your eyes to your stupidity. But, since you are sheeple, my comments are collapsed.

        • JoeinNC,

          Be careful when speaking. You create the world
          around you with your words.

          from the Diné

          Your post is full of accusations, misspelled words, anger, which is a form of frustration, name calling, and judgment.

        • Hey JoeinNC, this mindless frenzy you so aptly speak of might be the direct result of the Alinsky-style tactics you’re working on. Empty rhetoric and accusatory nonsense doesn’t work.
          Or as they say in libtard land: EPIC FAIL.

        • Hey Joe:
          Weren’t you the grammar and english professor from the above posts?
          If I were making fun of someone else’s writing skills I would sure be proofing my entries a bit more thoroughly. Just sayin.

          • Hahaha – Saddle Up – you beat me to the punch ’cause I’m the original Grammar Nazi and I could edit the daylights out of his post!

            • Be very careful Daisy. His brain pan is evidently much deeper and has richer substance in it than any of ours. Don’t believe me? Just ask him! 😀

        • Joe in NC

          Just go back and read what you have written. Come on, we all make the odd typo but that is a bit much.

          In addition your attestation that you post contrary views to open our eyes….really, who made you our keeper? We have very varied opinions on here, it’s allowed, Mac has decided we are grown ups and freedom of speech exists on this site. You are entitled to your views just like the rest of us, but jumping up and down when someone disagrees with you will not cut the mustard.

          Take care

        • I am no expert on this but here is why I would question this article. What happens if he loses the election? Would the same deal have been made with Mittens?
          I think Israel will stay in the driver seat on this one and do what they want when they want.

          • I don’t see obummer publicly agreeing to an attack before an election. Any covert agreement made with CONgress would be leaked. Obummer would be a fool to expect them all to keep quiet.

      54. Preps get a good gun its well worth it, I don’t think your going to go wrong spending the money on one. Matter of fact im going to go get another one today and some more pepsi. For god sakes if I dont have my caffine when things go down im going to be pissed. lol But if you have not got a good gun don’t worry for new shooters on here to get the most expensive one, just get a good reliable gun that feels right to you and you enjoy it.

        • Yes people please at least start with one good all around one. And if you have no skills. A shotgun (Pump and a 38 j frame to conceal is a great inexpensive way to start. Then just start trading up.

      55. 0.65% of his net worth ‘invested’ in paper gold means diddly shit.

        You people are absolute fools.


        • the amount he has invested in gold is indeed small

          what I found more interesting is that he got out of the financials in such a big way

        • We’re fools?

          I don’t know. Who’s the one who uses the word “FOOL” in their name?

          Now that’s being a lemming!

      56. This article is just a rehash of previous aricles from the last week or so.

        • Boobs, eh-hem, I mean Poobs,

          And your point is…… ?

        • Maybe….But!!! It’s what comes from within the comments that’s actually relevant.

      57. Get a Kel Tec PLR16. It takes AR 15 mags. It fits inside a standard computer shoulder bag. Leave the top unzipped for quick access and “presto” you can shoot thru standard bullet resistant vests. Casual business attire and you fit right in.

        • Those things are getting expensive, but seem to be more reliable than other AR 15 pistols. IDK about the OA 93, other than that it seems to be hard to get and really pricey.

      58. ***WARNING***



      59. Was really nice seeing my family Doctor at the gun store yesterday while checking out a new pistol and some gear, I knew there was a reason I liked this guy

      60. I have posted this warning to others on this site before but wanted to just bring it to people’s attention again. Be careful what you are saying on the internet.
        I will post some links but everyone should do a search of Brandon Raub. He was a former marine who has been detained for psych eval after posting some inflamatory and anti gov’t statements on facebook. I am not sure of his mental state, and I will say that facts or few and far between. ATS has a thread on this guy and he has written one of the best pages about what is happening to our country I think I have read in a long time. Will try to copy and paste it following this.
        Some of this statements are from music lyrics that I have no idea of the artist.

        • Here is something he wrote:

          America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave. This is the land of Thomas Jefferson. This is the land of Benjamin Franklin. This is the land of Fredrick Douglas. This is the land of Smedley Butler. This is the land John F. Kennedy. This is the land of Martin Luther King. This is the land where the cowboy wins. This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top. This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can suceed and build a better life for you and your family. This is the land where every race coexists peacefully. This is the land where justice wins. This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns. This is the land where we help the poor, and people help eachother. This is land where people beat racism.

          The federal reserve is wrong. They have designed a system based off of gread and fear. They designed a system to crush the middle class between taxes and inflation. This is wrong, and it is unjust. It is wrong.

          We have allowed ourselves to be devieced and seduced by the powers of the printing press. It is not a good system. It discourages saving: the foundation for all stable economic activity. The federal reserve is artificially manipulating interests rates and creating phony economic data. This thing has decieved our entire nation.

          They created it 1913. They also created the income tax in 1913. They encouraged the growth of debt so they can tax you on it. There is interest on the debt. Your government is in bed with these people. They want to enslave you to the government so that they can control every aspect of your lives. It is an empire based on lies. They operate of greed and fear.

          There is a better way. It’s called freedom. Freedom is called a lot of things. But there is a true meaning. It means very simply that you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you are not infringing on the feedoms of other people.

          I firmly believe that God set America apart from the other nations of the world. He saved a place where people could come to to escape bad systems of goverment. This system we have created works. It really works.

          There is evil going on all around the world. The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them.

          Men and Women follow courage. They follow leadership, and courage. Our example has paved the way for people all around the world to change their forms of goverment.

          Force is not the way because liberty is a powerful concept. The idea that men can govern themselves is the basis for every just form of government.

          We can govern ourselves. We do not need to be governed by men who want to install a one world banking system. These men have machine hearts. Machine and unnatural hearts. They have blocked out the possibility of a better world. They fear human progress. They have monopolies on everything.

          This life can be free and beautiful. There are enough resources on this earth to support the world’s population. There are enough resources on this earth to feed everyone. There is enough land for everyone to own their own land and farm, and produce their own energy.

          These people have been hiding technology. There are ways to create power easily. There is technology that can provide free cheap power for everyone. There are farming techniques that can feed the entire world.

          They are controlling your media. They have dumbed you down through your school systems. They have systematically dismantled the constitution. It is in rags.

          The bill of rights is being systematically dismantled. Men have spilled their blood for those rights.

          Your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters, and Americas best young men and women are loosing their limbs. They are loosing their lives. They are loosing the hearts. They do not know why they are fighting. They are killing. And they do not know why.

          They have done some extroadinary acts. Their deeds go before them. But these wars are lies. They are lies. They decieved our entire nation with terrorism. They have gotten us to hand them our rights. Our Rights! Men died for those rights!

          September Eleventh was an inside job. They blew up a third building in broad daylight. Building 7.

          Your leaders betrayed you.

          You elected an aristocracy. They are beholden to special interests. They were brainwashed through the Council on Foreign Relations. Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one world banking system. They want to put computer chips in you.

          These men have evil hearts. They have tricked you into supporting corporate facism. We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with our republic.

          There is hope. BUT WE MUST TAKE OUR REPUBLIC BACK.

      61. You have it here …………….Make sure you have your family secure,your food pantry fully backed up & your financials in gold and silver.
        GOD help us all.Amen.

        • While I agree with you that we need to prepare for what’s coming which by the way is becoming more obvious with each passing day. Just connecting the dots will lead you to the same conclusion that a Global Financial SHTF is in the works. Not nation will escape what will happen in the future.

          But making specific dates is not beneficial to anyone because those have proven wrong so many times in the past. Those who properly prepare will be ready for what’s coming regardless of the day, hour, week or year. 😉

        • I’ll write that down

          and get back to you in October

      62. SHTF ARMAGEDDON – COMMIE fed-gov FASCIST freemason ZIONIST jooo CIA FALSE-FAG DATE 09/30 2012 …

        WASH DC Will be blown-up @ 0930 hrs by the Commie Zionist Jooo’s with a Nuke-Bomb in a van parked by the Washington Monument and the ameriKan cia israeli jooo mossad trained sponsored al-CIA-duh terrorists will be blamed as iranian sponsored terror on ameriKan soil !

        prepare .


      63. NWO Zionist Jooo Mossad Terrorist False-Fag NUKE BOMB Attack

        09/30 2012 – target Wash DC – Van Nuke Bomb – Washington Monument – 0930 hrs !!!



        • I’ll write that date down as well

          and get back to you in October

          • ROFLMAO!!!

      64. ATTENTION ALL WHO LIVE IN N.C. NEWS FLASH…..IF this does not show you what we are in for NOTHING will. Today in my local news our wonderful Gov Perdue bid farewell to all of her servants with a wonderful executive order that states that all local LEO will assist the military if an event occurs where that would be needed. I am sure the sheeple slept through that while waiting for the sports news to come on. It was only a small seg. of the total broadcast stuck in the middle of other stupid stuff but it sure stood out to me. I wish other no ALL people would wake up to this stuff. It makes me so mad how foolish people have become. Educated idiots. Perdue will not be running again and this was her nice little departing gift to all of the residents of NC. All here in NC look out it is taking place here….nobdy is immune to the sickness.

        • Please list a link for that story. Thanks!

      65. REPOST courtesy of REDMAN :

        The money the U.S. government owes to foreign entities rose to a record $5.2923 trillion in June, according to data released by the U.S. Treasury.
        In May, the U.S. Treasury had owed $5.2581 trillion to foreign entities. On net, in June, the U.S. government borrowed an additional $34.2 billion from foreign entities in order to fund U.S. government operations.
        The U.S. government’s indebtedness to foreign interests has grown by 72.3 percent during President Barack Obama’s term in office. In January 2009, when Obama was inaugurated, the U.S. government owed $3.0717 trillion to foreign entities, according to the Treasury Department. That has increased by $2.2206 trillion—or 72.3 percent—to the record $5.2923 trillion.
        Entities in the People’s Republic of China remain the largest holders of U.S. government debt. Entities in Japan, however, are on track to eclipse the Chinese as the top holders of U.S. government debt.
        The only reason I can possibly imagine China having bought this much US debt would be that if Chinese leadership got particularly annoyed with US foreign policy at some point in the future, it could simply dump the debt on to financial markets all at once, as a form of asymmetric warfare.
        Both China and Japan have to understand that this debt cannot be paid back, ever. The American people are, in large part, broke, and the US government is also broke.



        INTRODUCING…………………..THE BRICS!





        Aug 18, 2012, 3:59 pm

        Thank You @REDMAN .


        • Do you know how to reply to the person you are addressing or is your brain that burned out? Just sayin’

      66. Things will continue to deteriorate despite your best wishes, efforts, sacrifices and whatever. I know you won’t appreciate this now because most of us like to believe we know what’s going on and what to do about it. But if that was truly the case then things wouldn’t be this bad. Our problems have grown vastly in numbers, size and magnitude. Most of us don’t want to admit we don’t know what the hell to do. Most of us have to admit that all we have done is vote, complain or protest which has gotten us absolutely nowhere while things continue to rapidly deteriorate

        My advice to everyone is to start listening to the scientists that have been warning us about these problems for decades. And what did we do through our arrogance and ignorance. We shrugged them off as alarmist when they were trying to save our asses. Well your ass is in a lot of trouble for ignoring warnings about technological unemployment, climate change, global warming, peak oil, economic collapse and on and on an on. We don’t listen.

        This is not a scare tactic to scare people. This is a warning to save our asses. Because today is nothing compared to what is coming. You don’t have to be a genius to figure that out.

        My point is this:
        We have to start listening to the smartest people on the planet not the dumb people. The scientist and engineers are our only hope. We need smart people (Scientist and Engineers) to fix this mess(s). Politicians, lawyers and bankers have failed. They’re idiots and we know it. I’m not willing to let them screw up the rest of my life and the lives of my off-springs. I’m for getting the smart guys to fix this mess. They actually think and create real things instead of lies and paper money. Think about it! Use your common sense.

        We have to meet the scientist and Engineers half way. It’s called the “Nuclear Option”. It’s our only option. You may not be ready yet but you will see. I hope we don’t wait until it’s too late.

        “Be Smart!” –

        U.S. Citizens
        Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( )

        Non U.S. Citizens
        Read “Common Sense 3.2” at ( )

        If you know the world around you is collapsing and you do nothing about it, then who’s really at fault when you stood by and did nothing? We have to stop whining and do something about it. We don’t have to live like this anymore.

      67. OMG all you people are total nut cases. Even the article which is only based loosely on facts is way blown out of kilter. The shear fact you people on here want to go blow people up before you get blown up is what is wrong with this country.

      68. This has to be the biggest bunch of crap that has ever been put into the media in recent history:

        Directly to the right of this artilce is a link to another article that states Nuclear Iran by Oct.1. Who is BO stinkbug trying to fool? Who is netanyahu trying to fool? This is a golden example of just how much deceit goes on in the media and the world governments. There are characters that highly criticize the articles that Mac puts on, but time and time again many of these articles prove to be more accurate that what the media puts on the airwaves and the internet. I trust my bookmark to this site and other survival and prepper based sites a hell of a lot more than to these news sites.


        • I disagree

          Had many returning USMC 1STbat 9TH MAR here for a reunion last fall.

          Should the shtf..they will be gunning on our side.

          They stated probably 25% of the corps would remain loyal to the state

          remember..many of these Marines are good ole boys from the south..

          and they don’t kindly to the u.n. blue boys at all

      70. T H E f e w B A B Y K I L L E R S T H E p r o u d D E F E N S E L E S S C H I L D – W O M E N R A P I S T S – N – M U R D E R E R S THE G E N O C I D A L H O M I C I D A L P S Y C H O T I C M A N I A C S – T H E U . S . S . A . A M E R I k A N M A R I N E S !!!

      71. H E L P T H E N W O O L I G A R C H Y G L O B A L I S T B A N K E R S R A P E T H E W O R L D !!!

        J O I N T H E U . S . S . A . M A R I N E S T O D A Y !!!

      72. ;0) pssszzt


        … you will all soon learn what happens to once free american citizens when thug r a p i s t k i l l e r u.s.s.a. re-tard m a r i n e s are let loose to r a p e -n- p i l l a g e during martial law on amerikan streets .


        • OK Burt the Brit,

          I want you to now explain to me and everyone else how YOU can defend this NUT?

          How can you slam me for an honest opinion and defend the garbage from this NUT?

          If you are on this NUT’s side, then you are NOT on the right side as far as I’m concerned!

          • If your argument is with N.O., you should take it up with him – leave Burt alone – she’s allowed to defend N.O. if she wants to, and she’s been around long enough to know that however outrageously stated, his points often have merit.

            Of course, now you’re probably gonna get all crabby with me. Do what you’ve gotta do, but lay off Burt.

            • Daisy –

              Was this concerning you? Did I address my comment to you?

              If you wouldn’t butt in and read the comment Burt the Brit made to me way up above in the comments for voicing my opinion against this NUT, then you’d actually understand that I have every right to ‘take this up’ with her!

              I have an idea. Butt out until it concerns you or you know the facts. Buh bye now.

          • Now, anyone buying into the preposterousness perpetrated by this site calling someone else a nut is truly rich. Like the pot calling the kettle black.

          • John

            Not slamming you just told nina off for name calling and said the same to you I agree with the vulgarity point you made trying to post from a phone so sorry if there are typos will be back when the powers on.

            One thing though Brit or not I have a right to be here unless Mac decides otherwise feel free to ignore me if you don’t like me. Your choice

            Take care

          • Hiya John TP

            Sorry, the power has been off so no chance to reply, I tried on my phone but it didnt work too well.

            Right. I am not defending Nina, I agree that his posts can be amazingly annoying, but to be fair, if I say to him stop the name calling, it seemed right to sayit to you as well, nothing more in it than that.

            What I will say though is that even though I am not an American, have many friends who are and I take a interest in what is happening around the globe and that includes your country as well as my own.

            I think we, that is the citizenry of nations around the world are being sold out and shit upon by those in power and that sites such as this provide a great platform not only for learning but for the exchange of ideas. I have learnt stuff on here thati didn’t know I even needed to know. I will be continuing to visit regardless of what you or any other poster thinks.

            As for telling you what to do…you’re a grown up, you do as you will, nothing to do with me, and I would never deem to tell you otherwise.

            If you don’t like me fine, that is your right, you can always chose to ignore me but I ope not, it’s good to be able to debate with those who have different perspectives and are from different places.

            Take care

          • @ JohnTP

            Gosh, I could make a career of studying your case history.
            You display evident multiple personalities & a classical hostility towards the opposite sex, especially when challenged by such.
            Do you suffer from ‘minuscule manhood’ syndrome?
            As that diagnosis would indeed help clarify, as to why you despise the female gender so vehemently.

            Is southern-boy inside your head? Maybe(*) also?
            Seek professional help ASAP, your symptoms are quite serious & are nothing to laugh at…but then again, maybe they are!

            BTW, leave my sisters alone, if you harbor issues with a, labeled by you, nutcase. Confront him with said issues.
            But please reference a mirror, prior to posting further.

            Have a nice day.

            • Savvy sue

              You are rumbled my friend bwhahahahahaha. Having a few gender issues today A?

              Take care

      73. So, with all this demand for gold you’d think the price would be sky-rocketing.

      74. I sometimes watch C-Span when they have an interesting topic.Yesterday the Heritage Foundation had the DOD Assistant Secretary for Homeland Defense Paul Stockton on.He came right out and said that, yes, foreign military teams have been training with DHS and WILL be used in event of emergency or level 11 event domestic disaster. How much more in your face can it get? Straight from the mouth of the fascist gov.

        • JRS, I’d like to see some specific information linked to your statement about bringing in foreign military teams within the borders of the US for NLE 2012 (or in the future). Could you provide further info on this?

          The Heritage Foundation hosted the Homeland Security Conference this past week and I’m assuming what you saw came from that Conference. Heritage has a brief article on their website but there is no reference to what you are claiming.

          Paul Stockton has testified before the House on a number of occasions. Stockton’s area of interest is planning for disaster mitigation and/or recover from grid-down situations (EMP, cyber attacks, natural disasters). No mention in his testimonials (or NLE documentation) that indicates the use of any foreign military agency, only ‘our own’.

          What can you provide?

          • Well,I can’t link you to it as it was on tv. However, C-span has an online archive of their shows you could probably search. I watched the show on Saturday but it may have been a re-run from earlier in the week.The head(?) of the Coast Guard (I believe he was a four star) was there also, along with someone from a think tank also on the panel. They were mostly discussing trying to get funding for a major catastrophe like an earthquake on the New Madrid fault or a Carrington event that would cause grid down. I was kind of surprised that he mentioned the foreign military.Sorry no link.

            • JRS, Thanks for answering. I’ll check to see about CSPAN’s shows — they may have a transcript.

              Most of the interest being generated lies with natural disasters that might created a grid-down scenario. Stockton also theorizes about the possible threat of cyber war or an EMP, too. What is omitted in this testimony (or in most of the commentaries) is that there has been interest to bring in the military (but not foreign agencies). Nothing recent has been said that I know of until what you’ve mentioned.

              Here’s one from The Progressive Magazine (to get the direct link, go there and search Paul Stockton). Here’s the article about asking Congress to approve 400K troops into the US.

              The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S.
              The Pentagon has approached Congress to grant the Secretary of Defense the authority to post almost 400,000 military personnel throughout the United States in times of emergency or a major disaster.

              This request has already occasioned a dispute with the nation’s governors. And it raises the prospect of U.S. military personnel patrolling the streets of the United States, in conflict with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.

              In June, the U.S. Northern Command distributed a “Congressional Fact Sheet” entitled “Legislative Proposal for Activation of Federal Reserve Forces for Disasters.” That proposal would amend current law, thereby “authorizing the Secretary of Defense to order any unit or member of the Army Reserve, Air Force Reserve, Navy Reserve, and the Marine Corps Reserve, to active duty for a major disaster or emergency.”

              Taken together, these reserve units would amount to “more than 379,000 military personnel in thousands of communities across the United States,” explained

              Paul Stockton, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and America’s Security Affairs, in a letter to the National Governors Association, dated July 20.

              The governors were not happy about this proposal, since they want to maintain control of their own National Guard forces, as well as military personnel acting in a domestic capacity in their states.

              “We are concerned that the legislative proposal you discuss in your letter would invite confusion on critical command and control issues,” Governor James H. Douglas of Vermont and Governor Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, the president and vice president of the governors’ association, wrote in a letter back to Stockton on August 7. The governors asserted that they “must have tactical control over all . . . active duty and reserve military forces engaged in domestic operations within the governor’s state or territory.”

              According to Pentagon public affairs officer Lt. Col. Almarah K. Belk, Stockton has not responded formally to the governors but understands their concerns.

              “There is a rub there,” she said. “If the Secretary calls up the reserve personnel to provide support in a state and retains command and control of those forces, the governors are concerned about if I have command and control of the Guard, how do we ensure unity of effort and everyone is communicating and not running over each other.”

              Belk said Stockton is addressing this problem. “That is exactly what Dr. Stockton is working out right now with the governors and DHS and the National Guard,” she said. “He’s bringing all the stakeholders together.”

              Belk said the legislative change is necessary in the aftermath of a “catastrophic natural disaster, not beyond that,” and she referred to Katrina, among other events.

              But NorthCom’s Congressional fact sheet refers not just to a “major disaster” but also to “emergencies.” And it says, “Those terms are defined in section 5122 of title 42, U.S. Code.”

              That section gives the President the sole discretion to designate an event as an “emergency” or a “major disaster.” Both are “in the determination of the President” alone.

              That section also defines “major disaster” by citing plenty of specifics: “hurricane, tornado, storm, high water, wind-driven water, tidal wave, tsunami, earthquake, volcanic eruption, landslide, mudslide, snowstorm, or drought,” as well as “fire, flood, or explosion.”

              But the definition of “emergency” is vague: “Emergency means any occasion or instance for which, in the determination of the President, Federal assistance is needed to supplement State and local efforts and capabilities to save lives and to protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States.”

              Currently, the President can call up the Reserves only in an emergency involving “a use or threatened use of a weapon of mass destruction” or “a terrorist attack or threatened terrorist attack in the United States that results, or could result, in significant loss of life or property,” according to Title 10, Chapter 1209, Section 12304, of the U.S. Code. In fact, Section 12304 explicitly prohibits the President from calling up the Reserves for any other “natural or manmade disaster, accident, or catastrophe.”

              So the new proposed legislation would greatly expand the President’s power to call up the Reserves in a disaster or an emergency and would extend that power to the Secretary of Defense. (There are other circumstances, such as repelling invasions or rebellions or enforcing federal authority, where the President already has the authority to call up the Reserves.)

              The ACLU is alarmed by the proposed legislation. Mike German, the ACLU’s national security policy counsel, expressed amazement “that the military would propose such a broad set of authorities and potentially undermine a 100-year-old prohibition against the military in domestic law enforcement with no public debate and seemingly little understanding of the threat to democracy.”

              At the moment, says Pentagon spokesperson Belk, the legislation does not have a sponsor in the House or the Senate.

            • Thanks for that link. I recall Stockton talked about the problem of who would be in charge in an emergency situation. He proposed that they could possibly have a liason that would answer to the president and the heads of the National Guard and the military. However this was something he said they hadn’t worked out yet

            • JRS, the key-word being “yet”. Geez.

              I did a search for Stockton over at Homeland Security Watch and found a few items worth perusing.

              This article discusses how TPTB envision the scope of DHS and where we’re all heading (mind you was in 2010):

              And this:
              With this nice lil tidbit:
              the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security announced a new intelligence initiative focused on state and local partners:

              Under this initiative, select fusion center personnel with a federal security clearance will be able to access specific terrorism-related information resident on the DoD Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet)—a secure network used to send classified data. This classified data will be accessed via DHS’ Homeland Security Data Network (HSDN). DHS will be responsible for ensuring that proper security procedures are followed.

              “With this action, DoD continues its work in supporting states and localities who are leading our efforts to secure the nation from domestic terrorism attacks,” said Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and Americas’ Security Affairs Paul N. Stockton. “We look forward to exploring other opportunities where DoD can help our state and local partners effectively defeat terrorism.”

              And lastly, this link which in my eyes proves that Stockton is agenda-oriented and someone I consider dangerous to our Constitutional America:

      75. this can be searched…look it up

        youtube has it on video for now..recent post, so time will tell if is censored

        BREAKING NEWS: Fmr. Marine Arrested by FBI for Patriotic Facebook ..(search this line)

        this isnt the only one, this is going on now, you will find in the comments

      76. Marine Vet detained for FB posts – Brandon J Raub being “arrested” .. (thats a video of the arrest)

      77. for those interested…

        “Why in the world are they spraying?”

        just released on line..

        answers many questions
        especially the droughts..severe weather.


        • Many years ago, I began to notice unusual things in the sky-grid patterns one day and not the next, prisms and odd shaped clouds-cool summers-early springs-
          I knew it! I’ve known it for years- excellent documentary.

      78. How many have their economic house in order? This appears to be avoided in a lot of these conversations.

      79. What do you guys feel about getting a concealed carry license.
        The ONLY reason I haven’t done it yet is that to date the government doesn’t have my fingerprints in the data base. Could we have a conversation about whether you have got your license or not and why.

      80. savvy Sue,

        Nicely done! Drawn and quartered – de très bon goût.

        Y’all Beware! (in very good taste.

      81. I’s an imminent regional war in the middle east… that may degenerate into a world war. That will happen before the US elections I reckon. Obama will lose and Romney will start a world war.

      82. Interesting article.

        With all due respect. Why does it seem to me that so often unsubstantiated and unverifiable claims are made in articles of this nature? I’m from Missouri, the SHOW ME STATE.

        If it’s a fact. Tell me where to verify it.

      83. I have noticed most posters on this site are intolerant to views outside tea party – to far right thinking. I’m a prepper who has been seeing the same things as you all; doesn’t matter which ideology is to blame, I believe both red and blue have sold out the middle class to the billionaire elites and have been for thirty years. My grandfather was a union carpenter most of his life and noone ever called him a socialist, pinkie, or anti-American. Your enemy is not teachers, policemen, firefighters, nurses, etc. It is those who would divide us with hate, suspicion, and division. I am no apologist for looters, thugs and gangsters and will protect myself, my family, and provisions til the 3 b’s are gone and then fight with a two by four if necessary. I believe we are being setup for a collapse and when the big panic begins, the greedy elites will make their final grab and haul ass while the brainwashed right and the brainwashed left are trying to distiguish who are the patriots and who are the enemy. The enemy will be safely hidden in their fortified castles and private islands; they are the ones who will eventually attempt to disarm the peasants, which are you and I.

      84. I have been aware of all of this for many years. I Have Prepped, planned and even moved to another country for the last three years. However, as I have lived in the other Country, I have come to notice that the UN is everywhere. The US has its hands everywhere. However, my poit is this: “I had a dream one night and in this dream, there was a emergency throughut the Country. Everyone was told to Stop and Stay exactly where they were, police and roadblocks were everywhere. I asked where my children were, they said my kids were in school and they would be directed to a location later. In other words, I could not get home, I could not get my kids unless I did exactly what they told me to do and I had to go where they told me to go. In other words, they held my kids in order for me to comply. So no amount of prepping, guns, or whatever could help at this point” ~ JustaDream

        • Oh great! Thanks justadream. Now I have THAT stuck in my head to sleep on tonight! As a school administrator you have NO idea how quickly and easily this could happen. (I will just be over here in the corner vomiting)

      85. loose/lose is driving me nuts guys. learn to communicate effectively so we can stay organized in the face of this catastrophe that is about to befall us all.

      86. Maybe, just maybe they could end up with heaps of those gold coated tungsten blanks. Justice anyone?

      87. The ‘elites’ are losing control. 2012 ELECTION FRAUD ALERT! AND, 4 MORE YEARS OF OBAMA?, MARTIAL LAW IN U.S.?,
        AND ISRAELI-STARTED, U.S.-BACKED WAR ON IRAN, COMING RIGHT UP?! Keep your eyes on Tampa, between Aug 27th and 30th, for some type of FALSE FLAG EVENT. Also, there’s an election coming up in Israel, on Sept. 4th. Bibi and Ehud might be OUT! Sept. 12th? Will Germany cede its Sovereignty to Brussels? Sometime before Nov. 6th – Israeli-started War on Iran, pulling the U.S. in?

        Reality Check: RNC Pulling Out All Stops To Keep Ron Paul’s Name Out Of Nomination

      88. Oh, and ANOTHER NO-(TBTF-)CENTRAL-BANKER-LEFT-BEHIND bailout, waiting in the wings, no doubt, for the central-banker-orchestrated ‘global’ economic collapse, to be followed by some kind of ‘global’ currency. What a joke! It’s all out in the open, now. Meanwhile, the 99% of humanity, on the ‘global’ plantation, are losing homes, jobs, and everything they were supposedly working so hard for. And, the collapse hasn’t even happened yet – or has it? Oh, that’s right – “we” are in a recovery, according to the Main Stream Media (MSM). Hey. ONLY THE TOP 1% ARE IN A ‘RECOVERY’. Why? Because they stole the money from YOU, to prop up the US Dollar, and the NYSE !!! To keep the game going.

      89. All of the banks worldwide as far as I can tell are required to prepare for disaster. NZ certainly is. You can google RBNZ Open Bank Resolution which orders NZ banks to prepare. I expect all other banks are under similar instructions.

      90. The funny thing about NZ banks is that they have to work under 2 sets of prudential regulations – both for New Zealand, and for Australia to meet the regulatory requirements of their Australian owners as well as the NZ govt. Although most NZs hate the thought that a big % of profits go offshore, the fact that NZ banks must jump through 2 sets of Govt hoops is probably a saving grace in these times.

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