Socialists Never Learn: California’s Universal Health Care Bill Would Double State’s Budget

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    In light of attempts by Trump’s administration to do away with Obamacare, the liberal states in our country are preparing to thumb their noses at him, and create their own socialist healthcare systems. We’re seeing the state legislatures in California and New York working on these single-payer healthcare plans, which the liberals in these states are quite giddy about. This is the kind of medical care that they’ve always wanted, not the watered down socialist medicine provided by Obamacare, which still offers a few token choices. No, they want full blown socialist healthcare, and they’re about to get it.

    That is, if they can afford it.

    Last month, California’s universal healthcare bill passed a major hurtle, despite the concerns of both Republicans and Democrats in the legislature.

    The Senate Health Committee approved the measure on a 5-2 vote after a nearly three-hour hearing, but Democrats and Republicans alike signaled unease with the major question still unanswered in the legislation: how the program would be paid for.

    The bill, SB 562, would establish a publicly run healthcare plan that would cover everyone living in California, including those without legal immigration status. The proposal would drastically reduce the role of insurance companies: The state would pay for all medical expenses, including inpatient, outpatient, emergency services, dental, vision, mental health and nursing home care.

    But a recent analysis of the bill suggests that it’s going to cost a lot more than most supporters could have ever imagined.

    The analysis, released in advance of the proposal’s hearing in a key fiscal committee, fills in what has so far been the biggest unanswered question concerning the plan to dramatically overhaul California’s healthcare coverage.

    The analysis found that the proposal would require:

    • A total cost of $400 billion per year to cover all healthcare and administrative costs.
    • Of that, $200 billion of existing federal, state and local funds could be repurposed to go toward the single-payer system.
    • The additional $200 billion would need to be raised from new taxes.

    In case you’re not familiar with California’s annual budget, it currently rests at $170.9 billion, and is expected to rise another $9 billion later this year. So this bill would more than double California’s budget. If the money that employers currently spend on health insurance were siphoned off to pay for this healthcare monstrosity, the state would still need to increase taxes to cover an additional $100 billion.

    And California isn’t alone. In every state where this has been attempted, the potential costs have been mind boggling.

    If this sounds familiar, that’s because it is. Just last week, we reported on a similar single-payer proposal in New York State, which would require doubling (and possibly quadrupling, depending on which projection you believe) the state’s tax burden. Vermont’s attempt to implement a single-payer health care system collapsed in 2014 because the costs were too high. Colorado voters rejected a proposed single-payer system in 2016 when faced with the prospect of increasing payroll taxes by 10 percent to meet the estimated $25 billion annual price tag.

    Ever since Trump was elected, liberals have been braying on about how awful Republicans are for wanting to get rid of Obamacare, even though so far they’re still trying to replace it with something comparable, much to the dismay of their supporters. They act like conservatives are evil monsters, worthy of punishment, for wanting to abandon socialized healthcare. But when they try to pull off socialized medicine in their own states, they’re gobsmacked by the costs.

    I’d suggest that these Bernie supporting burnouts think things through before they waste our time with these proposals. But then again, if they were capable of foresight and critical thinking, they wouldn’t be socialists.

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      79 Comments

      1. i never finish FIRST in ANYthing….

        • hey butt

          what does pfft mean?

          • sound it out….

        • Socialists only know how to spend their subject’s money and when that runs out the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

          • Menzo, that’s right. Nobody can fix stupidity. Libturds are a lost cause.

        • Perfect. Individual states should be free to implement (and pay for) whatever they want. No Federal dollars should be allowed to be spent on such a program. Of course we all know that is exactly what will happen.

          There should be no “Federal Dollars” to begin with. Let each state sink or swim on its own. I am sick of paying for Mississippians to become even more morbidly obese.

          Considering the massive waves of illegals, I refuse to believe CA has been a “donor” state for a long time.

      2. HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER READ THE KORAN THE SIRA AND THE HADITH

        OR AT LEAST LISTENED TO DR. BILL WARNER

        SOME FUCKING MORON ON THIS BLOG ACTUALLY WROTE THE REAL ISLAM DOESNT TEACH VIOLENCE

        HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN VIOLENCE FACE TO FACE?????

        ITS NOT FUNNY

        IT SCARES THE HELL OUT OF YOU

        IT MAKES YOU APPRECIATE BEING IN AN ALL WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD

        • White neighborhoods will be dangerous as hell after shtf too. Many white folks have guns but are not preppers and will become desperate to feed their families. There is nowhere completely safe. I’m more wary of the desperate white folks as they are not near as stupid as the hood dwellers.

          • Statist yuppies get fighting mad, over maintenance issues and fashion crimes — will railroad you, on a good day. If there is no good excuse to treat you like a dangerous criminal, they’ll make one up. That’s to compete with you normal people, when resources are plentiful.

            • No doubt they will all be filled full of holes on the bad days.

              • Menzo, if any of those ‘statist yuppies’ try to tangle with me, I have ‘lead nutrients’ waiting for them on ANY day.

                • Shhh. Don’t tell ’em.

        • We all know “Radical Islam” is actually TRUE Islam.

      3. read what karl denninger has said about health care for YEARS now….when CONgress, drug companies, hospitals, doctors, health insurance companies, ALL COLLUDE to keep prices HIGH, then there can never be a solution that can WORK….bring on free markets and competition, and prices COULD fall to one fith to a tenth of where they are now….i ain’t holdin my breath on THIS one either.

        • To Mr Buttcrack,
          That is precisely the issue, I think its funny in a tragic sort of way that the actual causes of our societal problems are never addressed. The idiocy of adding billions more dollars to any system that is already fundamentally broken seems pretty F-ing stupid, but that is exactly what this county does in everyone of its systems.

          • see my post below about the debt.

      4. Its not really America anymore.

        The country that I loved with all my heart, my culture, my people, are fading rapidly.

        Is this how the greycoats felt?

        There is nothing to be done for it.

        Just keep prepping and think about making plans to rebuild.

        • I’m as prepped as I’m going to be. Worn out by the fear porn. Everybody is waiting for that
          one big event. I think its gonna be a lot of smaller events that take us over the cliff.

        • “my people”

          Your version of America was one of slavery and oppression. You’re nothing but a stupid racist.

          • It will do a lot more than double their budget, it will triple it at a minimum.

          • Nun, you’re a moron. You hate white people.

            • EVERYbody is a rayciss if you want to look through that prism.

          • NB sounds like a libturd.

          • I find it pretty ironic and incredibly hypocritical, that all of these non-whites (pretty sure NunyaBidness is either not white or one of these loathsome, pathetic, self-hating, self-loathing, white guilt brainwashed SJW White losers)who love to spew endless hate and venom at White Europeans – but, at the same time, they insist on living inside a nation and civilization that was created by the very Whites they claim to despise.

            I mean, come on. If Whites are ‘racist’ and so prone towards ‘oppressing’ IQ deficient non-whites – then wouldn’t the most logical thing to do for non-whites is to leave White nations and go back to whatever third world dung heap of a nation that was responsible for spawning them? To escape from ‘White racism’ and to make sure they could never be ‘oppressed’ by evil Whitey?

            And, make sure the door doesn’t hit you on your dark skinned asses on your way out.

        • Yes, it was a beautiful world.

          Norman Rockwell captured it on canvass. George Lincoln Rockwell showed us what was wrong, and why, with the written and spoken word.

          ••••••••••••••••••••••••”R A Y C I S T”••••••••••••••••••••••••

          A word intended to eviserate and nullify, but Rockwell embraced the word. People called him a fascist, which he denied. He started “The American Nazie Party” and was assassinated by an enemy who had infiltrated his organization. The party had 300 storm troopers and several thousand financial backers plus many more supporters who secretly admired him and would have put him in the White House by secret ballot. He once said that if he had been a religious man, he would say Adolf Hitler was the Second Coming of Christ.

          __ funny thing, at Nuremburg 11 were hung and one suicided. The twelve apostles.

          __have a blessed day

          __

      5. Dey is be lookin fo dat free health care, to go with their Section 8 housing, EBT cards, TANF, WIC,……….

      6. We need a new resevoir. The one in Oreville will fail. The people beneath will die. The rest of us will also die.

        Bring on Single Payer. There won’t be anyone here to use it. We won’t be sick. We’ll all be dead.

        Now, it all makes sense.

        __

        • B from CA, your state is truly doomed from a number of things. If there’s any way possible get out of there.

        • good, c ya later b from ca

        • Right. Watch all the jobs evaporate if this goes through. I mean isn’t that obvious? Why do you think companies outsource to China to begin with?

          Next up watch Prop 13 vaporize. Where else could they even get enough money, given all the roads I drive on look like they should be in Tijuana in terms of state of repair.

          Once that goes the real estate market goes right along with it.

          Sigh it’s so very time to leave. They better come to their effing senses fast, man.

        • B from CA- Bernie Sanders would give us single payer at the expense of national defense.
          He would most likely give our military an annual budget of 10 billion dollars and shuffle the rest of the funds into single payer and free college for the people that do not even have the right to reside here legally. Under him, our military would exist only to let illegals earn their
          citizenship at the end of their enlistments. His administration would look like a collage of
          fruity leftists like Governor Moonbeam, Pocahontas, Maxine Waters, Keith Ellison, Oprah,
          Luis Gutierrez, and everyother liberal retread he could dig up. Single payer would make
          sense if we had the population of Norway. Over 325 plus million people with health problems would sink us faster than the Edmund Fitzgerald. I saw how low Lake Mead was in 2012. When that spittoon dries up, so will Lost Wages, Nevada.

      7. I’ve said many times, if we ran our personal and household budgets life the fed does theirs, we would be arrested for fraud and theft. Now, why aren’t they?

        • the PEOPLE will be in the streets with torches and pitchforks SOON…..most americans are too stoopud to pay any attention to politics….until, of coarse, it bites them in their ASSES!….they haven’t YET realized it, but politics WON’T ignore YOU. once the consequences of all this debt start a chain-reaction in our economy, it will finally be realized that the time for action was 20 to 40 years ago….nothing much can be done now to avoid the collapse. you see, everything works on scale in america….when walmart stops selling half the milk it USED to, then the price of what’s left has to go UP a LOT…much more than double, even though they will be selling half as much….when you lose that scale, prices MUST go almost parabolic to pay the costs. the house of cards will fall like a class 5 tornado hit it. gimee gimee gimee!….if you NEED money to buy anything(you didn’t PREP), you will be doomed. i think 90% dead is a very conservative number if all this happens. who wouldn’t do ANYTHING to try to make their family survive?(yet they didn’t do ANYTHING for their family’s survival BEFORE it all went down)…. it’s all over but the cryin’.

      8. Obozocare was just a moronic extension of Romneycare. Has sod all to do with socialism as the main beneficiaries were the pointless insurance companies that have gorged on taxpayer monies. As for the people no one gives a f–k about them. The writer of the article is a simpleton.

        • Have they tried Dollar General? They have a shit-ton of it. May not be medical grade though. I hate drug companies and the FDA bullshit.

          • You’re not going t find a medicinal grade of injectable “baking soda” at Dollar general any more than you will find medical saline solution in the ocean.

        • Who knew. Interesting. Thanks boyo

        • Water, and baking soda. They’ve reportedly used laundry detergent and namebrand soda pop as alternative currencies, yet noone thinks to provide basic amenities for themselves.

      9. It’s getting closer to shtf. There is hardly any freight at work this is the busy time of the year. People just aren’t buying things businesses aren’t either they are sending employees home early now cus it’s slow. Cars aren’t selling and the vehicles are sitting on the lot. Ford laying off people. businesses are closing and the ones that don’t are cutting back for survival. Get out there and buy shit folks the economy needs you to spend $ you don’t have.

        • Asshat, same conditions exist in my area. There are 7 railroads that pass through my area and in the past year there has been fewer trains running than there used to be. it’s definitely getting closer.

          • In Chicago, gangbangers were breaking into the boxcars in the rail yards and stealing the
            guns inside. I always thought it was only UPS shipping them. Guess not.

        • there’s the problem…..they ALREADY bought shit….too much shit, means too much DEBT…people have too much debt…states have too much debt….cities have too much debt….the fedjal gubmint has too much DEBT….we are BANKRUPT…..not just monetarily, but morally too….you know, lynyrd skynyrd wrote a SONG about the debt a few years ago…..

          Whiskey bottles, and brand new cars
          Oak tree you’re in my way
          There’s too much coke and too much smoke
          Look what’s going on inside you
          Ooooh that smell
          Can’t you smell that smell
          Ooooh that smell
          The smell of DEBT surrounds you

          Angel of darkness is upon you
          Stuck a needle in your arm
          So take another toke, have a blow for your nose
          One more drink fool, will drown you
          Ooooh that smell
          Can’t you smell that smell
          Ooooh that smell
          The smell of DEBT surrounds you

          Now they call you Prince Charming
          Can’t speak a word when you’re full of ‘ludes
          Say you’ll be all right come tomorrow
          But tomorrow might not be here for you
          Ooooh that smell
          Can’t you smell that smell
          Ooooh that smell
          The smell of DEBT surrounds you

          Hey, you’re a fool you
          Stick them needles in your arm
          I know I been there before

          One little problem that confronts you
          Got a monkey on your back
          Just one more fix, Lord might do the trick
          One hell of a price for you to get your kicks
          Ooooh that smell
          Can’t you smell that smell
          Ooooh that smell
          The smell of DEBT surrounds you
          Ooooh that smell
          Can’t you smell that smell
          Ooooh that smell
          The smell of DEBT surrounds you

          so prophetic…..how’d they KNOW, so long ago?

          • Good drinking song. Makes me want to head over to the gin mill and smoke an imaginary
            cigarette. They don’t make songs like that anymore.

      10. Its all intended to fail. Democrats agenda = communist agenda=control.

        • “If they were capable of foresight and critical thinking, they wouldn’t be socialists”. The last sentence in the article hit the nail right on the head. Cali is already a ‘failed state’. This takes the cake and the whole damn bakery. It makes Obolacare look sensible.

          • BH they have got to take care of the millions of their beloved scum illegals living there plus the ones still coming and the ones to be born. That state is fucked already.

            • Menzo, agreed. They’re already a ‘failed state’ like I said. Obolacare on steroids will be the final nail in their coffin.

      11. People go to the doctor too much, take too much medicine, and don’t exercise or eat the right kind of food. Doctors and hospitals and drug companies charge too much for their services. I’m speaking as a nurse when I say this. I think if everyone is totally honest they will agree with my statements. I have experienced working with the elderly where it was common for me to be giving 8 to 16 pills at a time to an individual. I have also turned down a good job in a pediatric office with day hours and weekends off because I could not in good conscience give vaccines to children. I believe in some vaccines, very limited amounts; but only if they are free from a lot of the preservatives used in them. People should research the meds a doctor is prescribing to them, ask questions about alternative treatments…. a doctor is going to be inclined to promote Big Pharma.
        I have gone to the emergency room for treatment for A-Fib, admitted, one night in intensive care, a total of three days in hospital. Sent home with oral version of IV med for A-FIB and a blood thinner. Exactly one week later back at hospital with pancreatitis, caused from the A-Fib medication. I don’t know if you’ve ever had pancreatitis, but I never want to experience that again. I told my doctor that I was NOT going to take that med. I have since researched and found alternative treatments and have had no other episodes of A-Fib or pancreatitis. It’s been almost 3 years. I had been having A-Fib for about 6 or 7 years with it gradually getting worse. You will probably have a difficult time founding a doctor who will work with you, all they know is prescribe drugs. There is too much money spent on unnecessary medical treatments and drugs. Too many greedy people in the world is the cause. Blame Obama care for companies only hiring part time and therefore offering no insurance. Who cares if California or New York bankrupts themselves, just don’t bail them out when it happens.

      12. If california passes this, I’ll move there … anytime I get sick.

      13. Silly people, only tax CUTS need to be paid for.

        This single payer health care free, FREE! so it does not need to be paid for.

        Just keep voting progressive, Liberal, Democrat and everything will be A-Okay forever.

      14. The Seth Rich murder by the DNC must be true. How can we tell it’s true? The left is going totally crazy. Sean Hannity was supposed to have Kim Dotcom on his show last night, but cancelled after the left targeted his advertisers. The new management team at FOX backed down. Kim Dotcom was an accomplice of Seth Rich in the leaks to wiki-leaks, not the Russians. When you get that much resistance from the left, you know you’re on the right trail.

        • Next one to go on FOX will be Sean Hannity. The new management team is leaning left and is determined to bring all the commentators into line.

          • Why suddenly now is FOX starting to lean left? Who’s responsible for the shift? Is there no longer anyone left with a backbone willing to stand up to these liberal POS?

            • They want to grab loony lefty viewers from CNN.

            • Faux has NEVER been conservative, not by any truthful measurement of traditional conservatism. I mean, come on – what could possibly be more important to ‘conserve’ than the genetic endowments and the future of the White European founding stock, who’s ancestors founded and created America?

              I mean, get real. Look around the United States and pay attention to the demographics that constitute the most reliably conservative voters – people in the Red States. These states all have one very important thing in common – and that is that those states have the highest percentage of White American voters residing in them.

              Minorities, i.e., non-whites do not give two squirts of rat poop about the U.S. Constitution or Bill of Rights and they sure as hell do not favor limited government, with iron tight restrictions on the extent to which the Government is allowed to meddle in the day to day affairs of it’s citizens lives. Non-whites view government as their Sugar Daddy, who’s job it is to confiscate an ever increasing percentage of the paychecks earned by the White middle class and then use that stolen loot to provide non-whites (and White Millennials) with tons of ‘free shit’.

              Faux has been 100 percent pro-Open Borders and the deliberate, malicious and genocidal efforts by the Cultural Marxist left to reduce Whites to a minority inside the nation created by their 100 percent White European ancestors and then subjugate Whites to being permanently ruled over, and exploited and plundered by, a motley collection of non-whites and third world parasites who openly hate White people.

              Faux was a phony ‘kwanservative / neocon / RINO’ network from it’s inception. It has NEVER been remotely conservative. It has only pretended to be so, mainly by serving as the enemy’s controlled opposition. Sure, it has tolerated a few seemingly mild ‘conservative’ media celebrities and some of those celebrities will occasionally espouse moderately conservative-sounding opinions on various issues. But, if you pay very close attention – Faux has always enforced a very tight set of boundaries regarding which subjects they will allow discussion of and those boundaries are very close to being the same boundaries that the openly liberal networks impose on their talking heads.

              To the extent that millions of allegedly ‘conservative’ Americans have yet to see through the charade that Faux has become – is a testament to how easily duped these people are. For example, scan the Faux Network’s TV programming line up. What do you see? Do you see a preponderance of clean, wholesome, culturally enriching shows on Faux? No. What you will find on Faux is the exact same sort of degeneracy, perversion, immorality, and anti-traditional values, and pro-sexual promiscuity, pro-homo, pro-lesbian, pro-tranny freak garbage that you will find on every other liberal network.

              Oh, and one more thing: Faux is seething with anti-White hared and venom just as much as are the other networks. All of these networks are owned by the same tribe of Middle Eastern aliens, folks and that’s why they are all marching in lockstep to subvert, undermine, demonize, pollute, and ultimately destroy Western Christian civilization here in America and everywhere else the West has it’s foot hold.

          • Don’t you worry. Hannity will start his own cable channel like Beck. Sheriff David Clarke
            who somehow juggles his taxpayer job with all the visits on tv and radio shows will have his
            own show, finally. Lots of smoking hot right-wing babes with lip gloss and waxed legs will
            be front and center for ratings. Fox News will be more like RINO News. Look at the programs on basic cable. It’s sickening. If I was a visitor from another country I would be
            disgusted. Fake news, reality shows, E channels showing what some celebrity wore to some award show. 6 different sport channels. Old syndicated shows from the 1960’s.
            Tired shit.

            • You are suggesting that Sean Hannity can somehow, miraculously, and magically cure himself from his career long addiction to the taste of jewish and Israeli butt crack residue? Get real, nameless. Every example I cited in my earlier condemnation of Faux and every other flaming liberal degeneracy promoting network can be directly traced to the ethnic ownership and control of the mainstream media who employs Hannity by virulently anti-White, contemptuously anti-Christian morality, White race despising jewish media moguls. And, I have NEVER heard a peep out of Hannity’s mouth that even hints at his awareness of, acknowledgement of, or opposition to – the anti-White, anti-Christian, anti-Western, pro-homo, pro-LGBT agenda – every bit of which is pushed, financed, and heavily promoted by the same media jews who sign Hannity’s paychecks. Hannity will NEVER ID who is behind of this twisted, culturally and morally destructive and subversive garbage.

              BTW: If Joe Biden were to schedule a ball size measurement contest with Sean Hannity, Biden – even being the nauseating, loathsome, despicable liberal that he is – he would win hands down.

              Remember when Biden gave that speech a few years ago before an audience full of Satan’s crumb crunchers and he went down the checklist and identified a big list of destructive, anti-White, anti-Christian agendas that this tribe of nation wreckers have been responsible for ramming down the throats of America and then Biden PRAISED them for the damage they’ve done to the traditional America that most racially health and sane Whites used to love so much? Perhaps you need a refresher?

              http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/biden-praises-jews-goes-too-far.html

              Daily Intelligencerthe national interest May 22, 2013 10:44 a.m.

              Biden Praises Jews, Goes Too Far, Accidentally Thrills Anti-Semites

              • I can’t stand Hannity either. Just saying FOX would not be the last of him.

      15. Madness: If you are an American, you are only ‘entitled’ to your Constitutional rights AND to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That’s IT. You are NOT entitled to anything else. Furthermore, you are not entitled to MY money (taxes) to pay for stuff (healthcare, food, housing, cell phones, etc…) that you aren’t entitled to.
        If you are here illegally, you are NOT even entitled to Constitutional rights…those are reserved for legal residents & citizens. But we the people are entitled to deport your asses back to where you came from. GET IT. I’m sick of all of this crap. I’m ready for the system to buckle and collapse. (and it will) Then all the entitlement sloths will understand what SHTF means. Their dependency is their demise. One day they will wake up and no checkee in the mail. EBT/SNAP cards won’t work. Medicaid cards won’t work. And when they come to my door in desperation, they will see a sign “no soliciting or handouts”….I will come to the door with my 12 gauge and say one thing: “do we have an understanding?…Now get off my property”….!!!!!!!

      16. I got a Ben Franklin to wage that as soon as California goes belly up from all the b.s. programs they got,they’ll come to Uncle Sam hat in hand asking for a bail out. What a crappy state

        • I say cut California loose and let it fend for itself. No one wants its spend spend spend mentality or “let’s all love one another whatever the cost” attitudes.

      17. I AM MAKING THIS OFFICIAL

        I AM NO LONGER OF IN SUPPORT OF DONALD TRUMP. THIS TIME I WILL NOT BACK TRACK MY POST, NOR WILL I EVER MAKE ANOTHER EXCUSE FOR THAT MAN. I was stupid for voting for him thinking that he was in support of the people, when infact it was tyranny rebranded to stop the revolutionary war.

        My sources are no longer in support of Trump. More dirt has come up. This time I wont back track. His daughter and wife just showed up meeting the pope dressed in black to meet the Natzi world leader, who had over 30,000 people massacred in Argentina in a very bad brutal killing spree. I hate of have to admit my stupidity of supporting the president initially. But now reality has creped up on me up close and personal. If I don’t accept the reality of what’s going now, then I am going to be a lot of trouble when shtf strikes. Two things recently that made my stomoch sick, was Trump bowing to the Saudi terrorist king, accepting a massive gold chain around the neck, his wife showing up in a black robe, totally sickening./ That king who is responsible for brutal atrocities against women and children, still un going in that shit hole called Saudi country. Trump just took money from him. Why is muslim countries investing in the US economy. Its called sold out to the bankers. Now his daughter and wife is dressing up like Eyes Wide Shut to meet the luciferian pope. Totally stomach sickening. I made and error in my judgement and voted for another tyrant. I did something stupid and irresponsible and now I have to make it up to you all on here.

        HCKS.

        2017-2025, the era of the culling.

        • Actually, he didn’t bow. The King is shorter and very old. The King can barely lift his arms. Trump lowered his head so the King could put the gold on him. Having said that, the Saudis have never paid the price for the attack on us on 9/11.

          • Him is either woefully clueless and has spent next to zero time during the past 16 years researching the identity of the real perpetrators of 9-11, or Him is a disinfo spreader who likes to peddle baloney that shifts the finger of blame away from the actual perpetrators of 9-11.

            http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_solved118.html

            ITALIAN SAYS 9-11 SOLVED

            It’s common knowledge, he reveals, CIA, Mossad behind terror attacks

            By the Staff of American Free Press
            Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:

            “All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe…know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part … in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.”

            Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992.

            Cossiga’s tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s. Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they termed “false flag” operations—terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

            In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force … the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”

            Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9-11 in 2001, and is quoted by 9-11 researcherWebster Tarpley saying “The mastermind of the attack must have been a sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and
            flight security personnel.”

            Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga’s assertion that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge among global intelligence agencies is illuminating. It is one more eye-opening confirmation that has not been mentioned by America’s propaganda machine in print or on TV. Nevertheless, because of his experience and status in the world, Cossiga cannot be discounted as a crackpot.
            (Issue #52, December 24, 2007)

            • You hate Zionists. Thats all you had to say.

              • Not Zionists who mind their own business and who live in Israel and who are not in any way involved in false flag terrorist attacks that kill Americans, or involved in the on-going diabolically evil agenda to reduce the White European founding stock of every historic White European nation to minorities inside their own nations by burying them under millions of non-whites from the third world.

                I have no problem whatsoever with jews or Zionists who live in their own nation and who are not trying to destroy the one I live in.

        • HCKS, you don’t have to apologize or make up to any of us for anything. People everywhere have been misled about Trump. I had the same realization only a month ago. I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow but life still goes on. Just keep stacking. don’t let it get you down.

        • HCKS- Don’t stress too much over it. It was him or Killery. Like choosing between a train
          wreck and a catastrophe. Thats what we have been reduced to. As head of state he has to
          make official trips and exchange pleasantries with people he cannot stand. He most likely
          wiped his ass with that gold chain and gave it to some intern. Its all for show. Same thing
          about the Vatican visit. Part of the game. X22 Report will fill you in on the real shit. Listen
          to the podcasts. There is more to all this than meets the eye. He is fighting the shadow
          government as best as he can. Remember, he’s only one person. They are legion. They are
          deeply entrenched. He has to play along with them on some things. He picks his spots.
          He tries to fight where he can. Trump is no dummy. Not the most articulate guy but very
          street smart. We would be in even deeper shit with Clinton or Sanders.

      18. The Socialists in California will not stop until they have it all. Forget about taxing income. They’ll reform the income tax system. The only information that you will need to complete your taxes is “How much do you have?”. Then they’ll take it all!

        • Brian, if someone asks me how much I have, I just tell them, ‘it’s not your concern’.

      19. CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT PFFT MEANS ?
        BUTTCRACK WILL NOW ELABORATE.

        Thanks

        • Type the letters PFFT into your computer and it will give you several meanings and even a video telling you how to pronounce it. You have probably done it several times yourself.

        • Flowerchild- Don’t feel bad. I had to go to the urban dictionary for that one. At first I thought it was a whoopee cushion fart sound. Then I felt empowered. lol

      20. “Socialism (lit. ‘gouvernement in Fr.) is the great fiction, whereby everybody endeavours to live off of everybody else.”
        – Frederic Bastiat, 1801 – 1850

        And after all, this has worked SO very well in Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Greece, North Korea, Cuba, Detroit, etc…. right?

      21. Troll Him, I am aware of that. I saw that, I played the video in disgust.

        Its the mentality of the behavior. It was just the point of saying, fuck you America, I am in the club, with the club, and work for the club.

        I believe it was done and Trump cooperated to show us that he is in the club. Why take the gift in a box, or gift box of so type.. Then saw now that the Queen struck in London. Must be crunch time to declare martial law since its half way down in the year and they have run out of time. The cabal is getting more dangerous. A lot of children just go t massacred, but them again, that not a big deal for them, the bones of children were found in a mass grave behind one of the royals churches awhile back if you recall. They can get away with crap like that in the UK, but not here in America, we have the second amendment. The response will be red necks rising up from the suburbs. My sources told me that we are completely fucking done with. They are expecting all out war, civil war, engineered economic collapse, you name it, its going to happen. Just wonder full..

        HCKS.

        That why we have the shtfplan. Plan and survive the end game.

      22. If they were capable of holding down a fucking job they wouldn’t be Socialists.

      23. It’s NOT $200 Billion it’s more like $50 Billion when you include all the money the gov NOW spends, and it doesn’t include potential savings from negotiating drug prices down.
        This may not be perfect, but it’s a helluva lot better than giving our tax money to the greedy bastards in the “healthcare industry”. And if you don’t like the single payer system you can buy private gold-plated insurance.
        People should understand under this plan most of your needed medical costs would be paid. No co-pays, no deductibles.

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