Shock Claim: “The New Litmus Test Of Leadership In The Military Is If They Will Fire On US Citizens Or Not”

by | Jan 22, 2013 | Headline News | 550 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    Had the following comments been made on a fringe corner of the internet most would dismiss them as outright conjecture. However, what you are about to read comes from one of the world’s foremost philanthropists, Jim Garrow, who has spent tens of millions of dollars of his own money to help over 35,000 Chinese baby girls from near certain death under China’s one-child-per-couple policy.

    He was one of the 206 nominees for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, which was ultimately awarded to President Barack Obama.

    Garrow, who has friends in high places, including the U.S. military, made a startling claim on his Facebook page Sunday, which if true, should leave no doubt about why the Obama administration is moving full force to seize firearms from law abiding Americans and why the US government’s law enforcement and security assets have been making preparations for years in anticipation of social breakdown and widespread civil unrest.

    According to Garrow, the Obama administration has been rapidly retiring or re-assigning US military leaders based on a new ‘litmus test’ of their loyalty:

    I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks.

    “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not”.

    Those who will not are being removed.

    Dr. Jim Garrow – January 21, 2013

    When pressed for the source of his information and asked why the senior military leader would not reveal his name, Garrow responded by saying, “I believe that the gentleman has done what he should and allowed all of us to sound the alarm.”

    He revealed only that the man who shared this information, “is one of America’s foremost military heroes,” suggesting the source is a public figure.

    Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars notes that this new ‘litmus test’ comes at a time when millions of Americans are already suspicious of the government’s motives behind a number of actions, including the most recent push to disarm the population:

    Garrow’s claim is even more explosive given that the country is in the throes of a national debate about gun control, with gun rights advocates keen to insist that the founders put the second amendment in the Constitution primarily as a defense against government tyranny.

    It also follows reports on Sunday that General James Mattis, head of the United States Central Command, “is being told to vacate his office several months earlier than planned.”

    Would Jim Garrow put his reputation on the line by spreading a rumor or simply make this up to garner attention?

    Or, is it possible that he does in fact have a high level military source who is privy to this information – someone who has himself been removed from his position because he didn’t pass the litmus test?

    Should the Obama administration take Executive Actions against Americans in the event of a scenario where gun confiscation becomes reality or a collapse of our economic system leads to a complete meltdown of law and order on the streets of America, the administration would likely deploy military assets under martial law to subdue any uprisings or riots.

    The only way this could be done is if military leaders are willing to command their subordinates to deploy against the American people and fire on them if necessary.

    If Garrow’s claims are true, one can only shudder at the thought of what the end-game may be.


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      1. They can find leaders anywhere. They are politicians just like those in DC. They are moving up the ladder quickly doing their politico’s bidding in places like Libya and probably Syria soon too. The troops will stand with the people when the time comes. They’ll need their blue helmet boys to get their job done.

        • It must be the next step. Like a chess game, they are getting all the pieces in place before they make their move.

          • It’s not a question of “leaders”. It’s a question of “followers”.

            A Man can only lead one thing, and that is HIMSELF. It is the corp followers who can not or will not lead themselves as Men that we will be unleashed on us.

            Instead of fighting those, I hope the average guy who gets drawn into these battles will have the good sense to attack and clean up the correct “foreign land”.

            It is easy to find. It is an area not to exceed 10 square miles located in the northeastern part of our geographical boundaries. There is also a center of control in NY, called NY City, which must also be cleaned up.

            Once those two things are done, the followers will have no more fictions to follow and hide behind.

            Besides that, those psychological test that have been given to cops and other public servants for years have been bringing the worst personality types into positions that allow them to carry a gun.

            It’s a grand plan doomed to fail. Things will get out of hand before the corp can get the guns out of ours. They will get the war they want, but they will also be targets and they underestimate the power of their chosen enemy.

            You and me.

            • “Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep.” Alexander the Great

                • No, John, those are mine. I ordered them for 1000 yard training targets for my beginning marksmen. We start with those and end up with blue helmets at the end of the course.


                  • Excellent! 1,000 yards is a good place to start! Then move out to LR & XLR (Extreme Long Range). Have you seen that Kestrel is now offering a choice of Horus ATRAG (soon to be updated to G7 BC’s) or Litz’s Applied Ballistics (already has an extensive G7 BC library) software?

                    I am surprised that we have not seen a “Best of 2013 S.H.O.T. Show” here.

                • Wonder how big the signs are, Im seeing construction of highway sign footings in my state, with electrical power boxes near each of them ( most road signs are reflective)
                  the posts that are being errected on the foundations are galvanized steel very good size like 10″ Dia..with the part that would go over the road to hold what might be a sign that would have a cat walk behind where the sign would go..,Like light up signs that they can program to say what they want.. I travel about 50 to 60 miles of a certain freeway and have seen at least 4 to 5 of these in the process of going up, ( no signs yet)..and a few new cameras high up on approx 60 foot or higher galvanized steel poles.

                  Mac, I sent you something on this..sure wish you had a way to load pictures, I would take the time to stop and take pictures to show what im seeing, I dont like it one bit and I see no reason for it..never needed it before

                  • There needs to be open season on cameras nationwide. Just make sure there are no cameras watching the cameras and use anti facial recognition techniques. I hear led lights work well

                  • VRF,

                    That does sound very strange, and very unnerving. Please keep us posted on any new developments.

                    Keep prepping.

                  • which “certain freeway” ?

                  • Just a thought: Here in Southern Arizona, we have a fairly new bunch of those programmable light-up highway signs. They’re actually pretty helpful, letting drivers know what’s up ahead, like road construction, an accident, etc. I’ve heard they’re also used for “Amber Alerts”. I’m not sure what the dark side to these signs could possibly be. Cameras, on the other hand, are an entirely different story!

                  • They’re just informational signs mainly to warn of road conditions,delays,etc

                  • Here in FL we have a toll road system that is completely wired and surveilled from end to end. They too have the large lighted informational signs and I’ve seen weather, road condition, and vehicle laws(like move over for LEO vehicles) used on them. What’s less obvious are the cameras, and the RFID antennas that can pick up your automated toll tag at nearly any point on the toll road system. It’s already made the news that LEO’s have used the system to track and apprehend people and stolen vehicles based on the locators on the roads. You might notice them as flat, white boxes or panels pointed at the roadway, similar or identical to the ones in use at the toll plazas. And with their cameras in the toll lanes, they can snap your license, ID it, match it in their system, and deduct a toll or issue you a ticket with no human interaction. Cameras are also in use everywhere; just watch your morning traffic and see how many shots are from county or state maintained cameras. We have some on towers that have to be 100′ high at major interchanges and no doubt sport multiple cameras remotely controlled from centralized centers. Cameras costing just a few thousand dollars a piece can be high definition/high speed, some now with multiple lenses allowing full 360deg. views in a single unit. If you don’t believe they’re spending your tax dollars on the best stuff they can find, you’re likely wrong. With cell tracking(your phone or Onstar) as well, most trips on the highway system are an open book to LEO/Gov’t. It’s now rumored that they want RFID’d Black Boxes in all cars and some are already in use.

              • Greater is 100,000,000 million 1 Man armies fighting for a common cause, than an army of 5 million wannabe lions fighting for someone else’s cause.

                Gods Creation

                • Someday I am going to figure out how you read my thoughts…

              • ‘Hurry up and die,’ they say.

                “We are a plague on the Earth. It’s coming home to roost over the next
                50 years or so. It’s not just climate change; it’s sheer space, places
                to grow food for this enormous horde. Either we limit our population
                growth or the natural world will do it for us, and the natural world is
                doing it for us right now,”

                Sir David Attenborough
                BBC Television presenter

                In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly
                virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.

                Prince Philip
                Duke of Edinburgh
                In his Foreward to If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark
                Ltd., 1986.

                Let elderly people ‘hurry up and die’, says Japanese minister
                By Justin McCurry
                Tokyo corespondent
                The Guardian
                22 January 2013

                • Just colonize space already. Gimme a break. How many scientists do we have in college!!!

                  • Actually since the liberals invaded our educational system, the sorry answer is that we have a lot more sports nutritionists, sports management, and humanities degrees than anything else. The math and science degrees are watered down and good engineers are more and more difficult to find. The whole idea of government educational loans that don’t have to be paid back, buying expensive but mostly worthless degrees is what the progressives call education. The reason the U.S. is dropping dramatically in worldwide rankings of math and science is just because of this liberalization of education. Why train people to actually do something useful when the government can “take care” (read that as “enslave”) them instead.

                  • They are all from India & China though….

                  • Run a search on Dogpile for Miguel Alcubierre warp drive. Hard to tell anyone to use Google anymore after their recent dickery about guns.

                    I too believe that we are growing faster than the Earth can support us, but the solution isn’t to kill people off. The solution is to ease our burden on the planet through the use of technology that reduces our impact. Not from reducing the number of people or the qquality of life or the amount of personal liberty.

                    This machine would effectively allow us to explore and prospect outside of our homeworld, and to do just that. Grow, expand, progress… Without destroying our planet or our brothers and sisters living on it.
                    Pretty cool, huh?


                • This story about the earth being over populated is BS maby china is and some big cities are overpopulated but other than that thier is still lots of space. If u dont believe me just read up on how much land the goverment have that is not being farmed on

                  • yeah

                    I want more and more and more people living in my community

                    the traffic jams aren’t bad enough yet

                    and if we can get 30 kids in a classroom
                    we can surely squeeze in at least 50

                    and we haven’t over pumped our aquifer

                    oh wait
                    maybe we have
                    is that why my water bill went up by 150% ???

                • A Very good info article by Tom Horn is in Part#5-6 at newswithviews site. Its a continuation of his Vatican space view telescopes in arizona on a Mt top location etc.

                  Part #5 is about Chimeras aka mixtures of 1/2 human and 1/2 animal DNA experiments going on in various scientific labs worldwide Now.

                  He details alot of fasinating stuf and also how us army dod is tryig to create Super-soldiers that are DNA+high Tech Enhanced super beings etc. No Joke! its Real as can be!

                  Tom Horn is also saying this may be what was reallly meant in the bible where Christ said “Like in days of Noah so shall the Last days be”…Meaning how fallen angels mixed with Human women to create the Nephilim or Giants…aka like david felled by a sling and stone.

                  I didn’t post the info here as it is kinda long and some folks may complain. Read it though it has way more New info than I ever heard of regarding these issues.

                  At newswithviews dot com Scroll down look for Vaticanus observatory telescope article or similar to that. All 6 parts are avail by clicking pg # at bottom of each part.

                  So far part 5 is best on chimera dna mix info…VERY Scary stuff too….Todays scientists doing this actually state and tom quotes them saying

                  “Nobody better even try to stop us or this agenda or there Will be War against them! I am Going to be a GOD doing this dna manipulations like it or not! All of Humanity Will Forever be changed and nobody as yet knows if it will entail bad from this. But we will do it regardless. Once done there is No turning back!” (I paraphrased those quotes but its close go read exact stuf!)

                • I think the term “overpopulation” is a bullshit term made up by greedy fucks who want to hoard all the world’s wealth and resources for themselves. Then, when others don’t have enough because of THEIR greed, they can say “Ah ha! That’s overpopulation! Its them there EXTRA people! Get rid of ’em!”

                  And before anyone starts talking about how certain people are the “extra” ones, remember: the “Sir Davids” and “Prince Phillips” and “His Holiness Barack Obama” are pointing the cannon at YOU and YOUR FAMILY. YOU are also one of the “extra ones” in their minds

                  • And to think, a lot of people didn’t have kids because they didn’t want to add to an overpopulation problem they were told existed. I know some who didn’t.

                  • There IS overpopulation–I’m an environmentalist (not professionally). However, IMO, the best way to reduce the overpopulation is to exterminate the ones causing all the pollution and other problems– the corporations, corrupt politicians and other elites.

                • Global warming and over population are myths to support their genocidal agendas.
                  Demographers are scientists who actually study world and national population trends and everything that those trends affect like societal behaviors, the economy, politics, lifestyles etc. Demographers have been saying for several years that we have entered a period of global winter. This means that world population is not replacing itself. This is a natural phenomonon that has occurred many times before on this earth. And it is occuring now.
                  But the elite do not want to wait several decades while the process occurs naturally. They want a much faster reduction so they talk about protecting the planet (while they rape it for their profit) and limiting population growth while promoting forced birth control, forced abortions and according to Bill Gates, the use of immunizations for population reduction purposes. Wars, manmade plagues and HAARP steered “natural disasters” are all part of their warm up to population decimation. Of course the elite do not see their place on the earth as a problem, just ours.
                  And don’t forget GMO foods that Monsanto and the elite do not eat. If you buy any processed food that is not organic or labeled nonGMO, you are eating GM products that can and do alter your genetic makeup. And besides promoting a variety of deadly health issues (proven in testing) they make the 3rd generation down sterile. Yes your great grand kids will be unable to concieve. (Wasn’t there a movie about that recently?) And am I ranting? If I am, I am ranting based on scientificly based evidence. Go to reputable sites and verify the lie or truth of my words. Sadly my words are all true.

                  And as for global winter, it affects our ecomony and will continue to do so. They may not be making any more land but if there are significantly fewer people on this earth, who will buy your home? Who will contribute to the national tax base or social security? They don’t hold the money you put into social security. They spend if before it comes in and count on those who are working to provide the payments to those who have already retired after paying into the system for decades. Right now there are many workers supporting a few retirees. In less than two decades the picture will shift violently and there will be many retired being supported by a few workers. And don’t forget those welfare leaches. They must be supported by the few workers too.
                  Global population winter is here and now and if you recall winter is a season, it lasts a while.

                  • No, Global warming is NOT A myth. I’ve spent years studying it. It’s not only real, its the most dire problem we face– you have no idea how bad it is!! At this point, we probably won’t be able to stop it simply because its more profitable to contintue with BAU (business as usual). The fossil fuel industry (oil, coal,gas) is the most highly paid industry to ever exist and they pay milions each year to pseudo-scientists to make the people doubt the reality of GW because they don’t want to lose all their billions of dollars in profit. (Burning fossil fuels causes enhanced green house affect). this computer sucks– really hard to type. excuse grammatical errors.

                  • There is no “global winter”! Only an idiot would believe such bull s__!! Have you looked outside? Damn, you must be a troll– working for the fossil fuel industry! Your post makes no ssense!!

              • Imagine an army of lions …. or at least visualize someone trying to separate an American gun owner from his weapon

                Now imagine 100 million American gun owners who just say “No” even if it is only one American gun owner at a time.

                WE are Seat Team America! 🙂

                • If it starts, they’ll get off enough raids to show on tv to the sheop. Then, they’ll take it one step too far and if you don’t call before you knock all it will get you is a bunch of lead.

                  After that happens a few times, the tactics will change but it won’t matter by then. The bastards will go out on a raid and come home to a pile of ashes. …or other punishments.

                  When you know the people you’re fighting are criminals and traitors, the book of applicable ethics gets thinner and thinner.

                  • “Find the enemy that wants to end this experiment (in American democracy) and kill every one of them until they’re so sick of the killing that they leave us and our freedoms intact.”

                    General James Mattis USMC

                • With their toys and technology, I find it hard to believe it would go very well at all….we can always wish and hope, but this ain’t the rocks of Afghanistan, this is America where they have all the toys and infrastructure to beat millions with a few hundred thousand….mostly behind computer screens and operating drones. Besides American Patriots have no way to communicate and organize in the mass numbers needed with out being detected long before any plan gets enacted. I hate what I am saying and wish with all my heart it weren’t true…just can’t see how it would ever be possible unless everyone was able to comm and organize in real and same time 🙁

                  • I have to assume we could coordinate a “flash mob” via cell phone text or social media. If a bunch of teenage dancers can do it, why can’t we? We could always use the old reliable ham radio too. I hear the Lds folks have a ham radio structure in place for emergencies.

                    It would likely only be small local pockets that organize, but those united fronts could grow to a decent size…no?

                  • You’re making it way too complicated, IMHO. You have mistaken hardware supremacy with moral supremacy. If that were the case, we’d be honoring King George the XXII by now as our leader.

                    What is being done to decent people everywhere now has within it the seeds of its own destruction. When your entire life is a corruption, a lie, a bloody wound on the face of humanity, your days are numbered…NO MATTER WHAT WEAPON YOU HAVE IN YOUR HAND. What is so ironic is things are shaping up to the revolt of the masses worldwide that the Marxists envisioned…but it will be against the enslavers, whether Marxist or crony capitalist.

                    Forget the primacy of command and control, control of the air, boots on the ground and the rest. We will have to manage as best we can, if it means one at a time in a crowd. What can never be manufactured is the love of freedom and the willingness to make your life finally count for something in the greater scheme of things. This is what the Founders took on when they pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. Anything less and and we are unworthy to call ourselves their descendants.

                  • PICK 7 and get your gear together.

                    Seven people you can trust and have some skills.

                    UNBELIEVEABLE! Still whinning we can not beat them.

                    Use force multipiers. Like a set of binoculars or road flares. Mutiple use items.

                    Hell, I will be 60 soon and I’m going to grunt it out.
                    I’l go down to the American Legion or the Veterens of Foreign Wars and work up a platoon.

                    Stop complaining and get with it.

                  • @BJ

                    These sick maniacs have to step out their bunkers sometime. Strip ’em of their rank and privileges, and they’re just men who eat in front and shit out the back like anyone else. If they draw our blood, they should be aware that they bleed too

                  • They have no idea of the hell on earth theyll enter when this goes down….better weapons dont always translate into victory…think “nam” we’re fighting for our homes and our kids future… for liberty….no way they can stomp on a million brush fires erupting all acrossed the fruited plain…have faith in right and not in the might of the enemy 🙂

              • “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.” Benjamin Franklin

            • Gods Creation, I don’t disagree with your statement, but cleaning up the “foreign land” would be a very difficult proposition. You must remember they have underground bunkers, that make these prepper’s bunkers look like childs play. And they would continue to give directions to their pawns for months if not years from their “hiddy holes” Before you can chop the head off the snake, you must find him in the weeds. Trekker Out. Semper Paratus.

              • true…so just use napalm on them pesky weeds,that oughta flush em out..

            • Here are some real god numbers that need to be looked at by anyone who feels “we’ll just give them lead” or “molon labe” or anyone at all romanticizing the idea or thinking that a modern dady revolt would be doable in a victorious sense.


              • …dont allow the impossibility of it all to convince you not to try…ya they may cream us but if we quit before we try then they win anyhow and without having to pay any price…seems its better to look back and know we gave it all we had and lost then to look back and realize we let them scare us into giving up…tough to do? for sure…impossible?….nawww! 🙂

                • Thanks guys

                  • b j
                    I like the way you look at this old world

          • They are going about it all wrong! If they “get rid of” military leaders who will not fire on US citizens, they will be going to war against those same leader patriots who will end up leading the resistance.
            Obama has aparently never heard of “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” Or is he trying to create civil war? He is after all the great divider!!. It is so ironic that this man who is so divisive in all he does, got the Nobel Peace Prize. Clearly that prize no longer has any meaning.

            • TPTB will quaratine the ex leaders. Yes they do want to see a civil war. The present politicans under estimate the patriots of this nation. The majority of us will be fighting criminals (the gov’t) with a passion, they’ll be fighting (initially) for dominance then eventually their lives.

            • …he keeps sayin he wants to emulate lincoln…didnt work out too well for lincoln did it?

                • Dam, it was just a one has a sense of humor?..well one person does

              • I wouldn’t be surprised to see a repeat of Lincoln and JFK….whether successful or not….it will lead to what they want

              • Once I read an actual account by a Real Hitman who said it was very easy to get away with doing a hit. He gave as example he once had to do a hit on some NY exec guy.

                All the hitter guy did was wear a nice suit like most in NY does. Then he had a .22 revolver with HP bullets, walked up behind the target guy in broad daylite with tons of folks on the streets of NY walking past. As he walked up behind he took the revolver out from a folded newspaper he had in his left arm.

                put the gun to the back of targets head and fired 3 fast shots. Then as the guy hit dropped to ground, hitman simply dropped the gun right there, strolled away non conspicuiously.

                While hitman walked away at normal pace, folks who seen target guy fall to ground began to form a circle around him and scream and yell to call 911 as they realized he was shot.

                By the time Anyone even thought to look for a shooter?..Hitman was already a full block away, rounding a corner into an ally where his get away car was at with a driver awaiting him. They both drove away and never got busted.

                People do not look at a shooter rather they do look at a guy laying in blood on sidewalk!…Nobody can ID what they never saw eh.

                Disclaimer: I aint posting this as advice or to get someone to do a hit etc!…Just an FYI I read a long time ago is all. Just as proof it aint so difficult to destroy a True real enemy threat from within if ever such shall occure. What if Ten million patriots did it?

                Theyd run out of targets asap no. And vast majority would get away clean. Sure glad I aint an enemy of amricans!

            • Don’t forget the Libia fiasco. The middle east commander who heard the cries for help and wanted to send in help was told by DC (multiple times) to stand down. He was going to ignore DC and send help anyway because he knew American lives were at stake. He was then relieved from command by DC.

            • Well he does fancy himself the new Lincoln.

            • @C:

              So true! Generals siding with Lincoln:
              1) Irwin McDowell
              2) Ambrose Burnside
              3) “Fighting” Joe Hooker
              4) George McClellan
              5) George Meade
              6) John Pope

              Generals refusing to fire on secessionists:
              1) Robert E. Lee
              2) Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson
              3) Joseph E. Johnston
              4) James Longstreet
              5) J.E.B. Stuart

              Alright, I’m simplifying it… But you get the point. The generals with the balls to stand up to what’s right are the ones I want on my side. Obummer can keep his sycophants.


              • >>>>
                George McClellan

                An in-depth historical military study of George McClellan will reveal he was 'jerkin' Lincoln's gerkin' and was refusing to attack the CSA. He belongs in the other column.

            • You can follow some half-ass, career, ex-military person if you want, not me. Career military personnel are politically oriented people, go along to get along types. Leaders of some form of resistance?? I don’t see it!!

              • Agreed SD!

                The leadership will come from the E-5/6 levels & up.
                We’ll have no “starred cowards” in our camp!

                • Most of the younger NCOs are a product of public education and affirmative action. It’s a real toss up whether they will uphold the constitution or side with the traitorous leadership

                • Retired or about to retire E8 and E9 have not been corrupted by the public school system and are loyal to their vow to protect and defend the CONSTITUTION. They have experience and tend to be far less political than their Comissioned counterparts.

                • …theyll be mechanics,store clerks and farmers,people from everyday walks of life who may never have served in any military or ever fired a shot in anger…but for sure they will be people who love liberty more than life and though scared to death are willing to face death to secure the blessings of liberty for others…

            • Well c…who really knows what the Nobel Peace prize was for. After all, it was named after the inventor of dynamite.

            • The fact that the chief ObamaNazi not only beat out the source of this article, but ALSO beat out the “Three Cups of Tea” author, who put his life on the line to build schools for the poorest of the poor in Pakistan, should tell you everything you need to know about how the Peace Prize is just a political football and a popularity contest.

          • To All:
            I really fear many brave patriots are hanging their hopes in the wrong place. I believe that a majority of troops and LEO’s will fire and do what theya re told. Just look around online and see the depravity in cops….they are not the exception or the few bad apples anymore, they are the majority. And look at the fact that last year, more American Servicemen commited suicide than died in action…..what’s that tell you about their mental, emotional and spiritual health and state?

            • You all will just have to trust in the fact that there is a minority of those in positions who will hold back the actions of the majority!

            • You have no idea what you are talking about.

              • JBT, I agree with you. BJ says ‘he believes’…. I work around the military and LEOs and have practically my whole life. There are numerous of both getting out and many that are staying in are arming themselves against the orders. Many elected sheriffs have already signed letters to the pres. that they will not enforce any federal gun laws. It is a start!
                And, unless you’ve seen the military train nor interact with them, you don’t know what you are talking about BJ.
                Don’t sell the younger generation short.

            • What is many? Many will fire on fellow citizens, what percentage?

              I would say that BJ is right, but we will never know the answer until the fireworks start.

              When I was the State Director of the Michigan Oath Keepers I talked to many National Guardsmen and LEO’s. From what I saw was.

              About 60% of the LEO’s I talked to thought you were threatening their authority. While the vast majority of the military would side with the people.

              Again we won’t really know until SHTF. Don’t assume they won’t fire on you, especially if they are fresh out of boot camp. It takes a good 6 to 12 months before you get over the boot camp mind control and can think for yourself.

              You have to remember, those who stand for the Constitution and Bill of Rights are your allies/comrades.

              Those who follow UN Constitutional orders and defy your Bill of Rights are the enemy, they are the Domestic Terrorist. It does not matter if they lack the courage or common sense to stand down, they must refuse to obey UN Constitutional orders.

              Either we stand together like a pack of Wolves or you can be they’re prey.

              • History repeats itself again. All of the grand Dictators of the 20th century purged their military officer corps on a regular basis. As did every Roman Emperor from Augustus to the end. It’s in the Dictator’s Handbook, Chapter One.

            • BJ,

              Unfortunately you have some validity to your statement. When I was a young soldier in the 80’s we had to go through classes about defying illegal orders like the Mylai massacre. As a young officer recruit, we had to do the same thing. We have always had bad apples, but they were few and far between. I have friends still in the PD, and they are telling me stories I never would have imagined. While I disagree that the dirt bags are the norm, there are sure as hell a lot more of them than there used to be. I am also hopeful that most will still do what is right and maintain their oaths.

              That being said, I agree all the leaders that are removed will be quarantined first in an attempt to make any resistance leaderless. I also believe it wont work. This being said, the tyranny our forefathers warned us about is almost at hand if this report is correct. I hope more info will come out on this, and the actual test made public. I guess we will see.

              Unfortunately, it all adds up.

              Keep your powder dry,

            • BJ is correct. Do all of you who think the cops/military won’t side with their paychecks have such short memories as to forget Katrina? Gun confinscation has already happened in America. Police and military went door to door disarming the American people. You are simply an idiot with your head in the sand if you think the jack booted thugs will suddenly grow a conscience and not trample all over you and your rights. They already do it every single day. It is their job. And any of you who want to pretend like some small/large percentage of them will help you when the thugs come knocking you are also delusional. There is not a single instance of any leo/military personel who tried to stop the gun grabbers in Katrina’s aftermath. What our military does overseas has no redeeming value and a person of conscience would not participate. The laws the leos enforce are blatant violations of you basic human rights with no redeeming value and a person of conscience would not participate.

              LEOs/military prove by their actions every single day that human rights mean absolutely zero when weighed against their paychecks.

              All these sheriffs who claim they are for the second amendment already enforce blatant infringements upon we the people’s right to bear arms. This flappings of lips is so much wind and as empty as their oath to uphold the constitution.

              The federal government can kill you if you disagree with them and not a single LEO/military has done their duty.

              The oathkeepers take a second oath to claim they will they will keep the first. Anyone who thinks they need to add the words “really, I mean it” after ” I promise” is a liar. You claim you are going to keep your oath? Then do it. Not more empty words, I get enough BS fed to me by the politicians.

              Wake up people. The noose is already around our necks. Every day simply brings it tighter.

              • I must common sense that your comment rubs me the wrong way with the way you are talking about the men and women of the US military. I know many members of the military personally, a lot of them being members of my family, and they WILL NOT fire on US citizens! Every one of them that I know will choose the rebel against those orders and fight against those that will choose to follow those orders! I’m not sure if you know any members of the military personally, but I suggest that if you do, you don’t make those kinds of remarks to them because I’m willing to bet my life that they would first tell you how wrong you are then shoot you just for the fact that you call their actions into question. You must also realize that they follow their orders in places like Afghanistan,Pakistan, and Iraq because to do otherwise would land them in a court martial and in jail with a permanent mark on their record that would literally ruin their lives and the lives of their families!!!

                • Well Patriot, sometimes the truth is a bitter pill to swallow. You, despite your dislike of my comment and your wish that what I say is not true, prove my point in the second half of your comment.

                  “…they follow their orders… because to do otherwise would land them in a court martial and jail with a permanent mark on their record that would literally ruin their lives and the lives of their families!!!”

                  There is nothing I can do to make you pull your head out of you rear end. There is nothing I can say that will change your mind. The evidence is before you. Only you can decide whether or not to acknowledge the reality that the US military is a tool to further enrich the rich, to empower the powerful and to keep the masses cowed and powerless to change the status quo. You have decided to buy the lie TPTB have been selling, that we; the USA, the aggressor, the invader, the assassinator, the overthrower and the destroyer of national sovereignty is the good guy in the story we call life. It must be very comforting for you and your family to believe the sack of BS you happily swallow but it does not make it true.

                  You are lying to yourself which I really do not care about but you are here to lie to this board which is unkind of you. Your family will follow orders because that is what they do, because nothing will have changed about the consequences that will befall them if they choose to disobey. In all likelihood the consequences will become more severe when the time to make that decision comes and as you have all convinced yourselves that you are somehow accomplishing good by sacrificing your will, your lives and your morality to kill on commmand I know you continue to obey your masters and continue to swallow the lie that you are bringing good to this world at the point of your GI rifle.

                  You and your family members serving in the US military are tools. In every sense of the word.

                  • Volunteers serving in the U.S. military aren’t drones.

                    Will they fire on rioters? Damn straight. There is demonstrable evidence they will. Raiding farms and executing farmer Bob and raping his three daughters? Ain’t gonna happen. Get a grip.

                    That’s work for civilian police agencies that are militarized under martial law. Think SS, KGB, ATF, TSA, HS, etc.

                    And in regards to your broad insult against volunteers serving in our military, you can kiss my ass. You can read this post in English thanks to an American patriot.

                  • Yellow Sub, stop drinking the koolaid

                • @Patriotfrom PA,
                  You do realize you just said “WILL NOT fire on US citizens” and “shoot you just for the fact that you call their actions into question” in the same paragraph, right?
                  In fact the second half of your post completely contradicts and invalidates the first half.
                  You tried to get all upset with Commonsense and in doing so proved his point to a tee.

                • Concur. As a military brat and former Navy reservist, have a hard time believing that most grunts would obey orders to fire on fellow Americans. Call me naive, but I look at the nationwide uproar following Kent State massacre, the mass reactions, the giant demonstrations, and it is hard to imagine how any armed forces could possibly contain such a mass outpouring of public outrage. why hell, the national mall would fill up by the millions, and this time, it wold likely be by armed citizens. Even the Soviets and their brutal ways could not contain the masses as the wall came down and the Soviets and client states collapsed.

                  As to cops, they are barely in control now. Just think Detroit, or Vallejo, California, or Chicago. Their numbers are shrinking with budget cutbacks.

                  Emperor Obama is reviled by most servicemen, and by most cops. So c’mon! Besides, this is one big country to try to control. Tens of millions of us own firearm in the flyover states. We got em way outnumbered anyway.

                • Patriotfrom PA, let me get this straight: You’re saying that if common sense were to suggest to a member of the military that they would fire upon American citizens if ordered to do so, the soldier would first tell him how wrong he is and then shoot him “just for the fact that (he) call their actions into question”? Hmm… very interesting. But WAIT!!! You also said, “You must also realize that they follow their orders in places like Afghanistan… because to do otherwise would land them in a court martial and in jail with a permanent mark on their record that would literally ruin their lives and the lives of their families!!!” So, tell me, then, why they “WILL NOT fire on US citizens”, if these same outcomes for their disobedience is inevitable?



                • Patriot from PA,

                  I agree with you for the most part. 75-80% of the military wont, but it is no longer the military we grew up with. Some of the kids now are better than we ever were, but look at the slobs in society and know that is the employment pool for the military. Now most of the slobs you see with hoops in their ears and “extreme whatever” are not the kids that are in uniform for the most part, but it is a different way of thinking.

                  How many will follow orders rather than sit in the brig? McArthur ordered troops to fire on Vets after WWI and Kent state is another incident. Now, anyone that wants to MF the troops for those incidents, think of this:

                  Have you ever been placed on a skirmish line?
                  You are always outnumbered.
                  There rioters have no rules, and are free to do whatever.
                  If you dont think/say you are scared, you are a FUCKING LIAR!
                  When some shithead hippy/liberal/anti abortion conservative or whatever group is rioting starts to get a little violent, then you respond.
                  And military responses are never good or non violent.
                  I have been on skirmish lines, and let me tell you that is always how it starts. And those poor kids have a right to be scared. So, IMHO, fear is the cause of most of those casualties (McArthurs orders excluded).

                  What will likely start as a keep the peace mission will inevatably turn sour out of fear, and a few instigators (whether they are anarchists, rebels or people on a govt salary) will do something that requires a response. Then some innocent kid who is just doing his duty will be blamed for the flare up and following brush fire. I have seen it in the past, and it will happen again. Support the troops, and hope to God they don’t forget their roots or oathes……

                  Keep your powder dry,

            • The police are the ones to fear most. They have a civilian git-er-done mentality. We have a history of police supression of civil revolts. When it comes to the National Guard, I recall Kent State. The guard would never have fired if it had not been for some commie servant of the left sympathizers trying to undo the establishment of the day firing from behind the crowd to initiate the fireworks that followed. The pictures were worth a 1000 words for years after. And now the misguided elements of that era including the Clintons et. al. are the ones running the country. It doesn’t take much to get someone, who would rather not pull the trigger, to shoot back. All you have to do is see how the idiot left handles their own demonstrations. We have a civil war in the making whether we like it or not. That is the only way martial law can be placed on the population. Once that happens we are left with the same tactics as the underground and terrorists and the consequences that follow.

              • I live in a very small town and I see the local cops, (all five of them) with M4s at the range regularly. I see them equipped with state of the art communications that will allow FEMA to direct operations and most of all I see that they are not local boys like they used to be. These young people have no ties to the community that would help them to decide not to act against the populace.

                • Sounds like it’s time to throw a barbecue benefit for your police and fire department and get to know them.

              • The police would be fools to go around kicking down doors and going against the public. Because they could do that a few times and then the revenge factor kicks in. Eventually they wont have anything or anyone to go home for. They would be better off staying home protecting their own families.

            • It wont be that black and whight in the begining the military will be called in to help stop riots and people looting in that situation people do strange things imaging u are asked to go and stop an angry mob (propect shops in the city from being looted). those of u who think obama wil just give a straigh foward order to the troops to shoot anyone who doesn’t want to hand in his gun is wrong. there will be chaos and military will believe they are fighting for there country

            • All I can say is I hope not…be that as it may I am no less able to fire on a “uniform”then on one of these people I see wearing pajamas at the store..IF said person is standing between me and my freedom…Ive personally known some rotten cops and military men…and Ive known some to be the best kind of people…I guessIm saying we wont know who is our enemy till we see them point their gun at us…and by then itll be too late…for them!

          • While gleaning info from several articles, it was very startling to have the blinders removed — I could not understand TPTB wanting disarmament so badly as to slaughter innocent children UNTIL I saw that they need to disarm America so that there can be no uprising when they hand the keys of the American Nation over to the Chinese government and THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO TO PAY THE AMERICAN DEBT!! Evil bastards — I am LIVID!!

            • I’m learning Chinese using RosettaStone.

              I think it will be a valuable skill in the future.

              死共產主義的私生子! (Die commie bastard!)

          • My brother in law is a police chief. He has already received information detailing the fact that WTSHTF he and his officers will be transferred to another county. Further, state troopers and national guard will be swapped with units from other states. So it will be NY State National Guard firing on citizens in Illinois, or Pennsylvania State Troopers firing on citizens from Maryland. We have all read the reports of UN and other foreign troops being sent to the US to quell uprisings and collect firearms WTSHTF. I have no information on that and therefore IMHO, it remains gossip. But the other information I have seen with my own eyes. Make no mistake, when TSHTF, it will be kill or be killed. The politically correct who are willing to be sheeple will survive. Independent, thinking, patriots will be hunted down and put i9nto re-education camps pr killed.

        • Don’t bet on it.

        • “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not”.

          Excellent analogy — litmus paper is used for urine testing.

          When that litmus paper is analyzed and they see how many in the military just pissed on themselves for some insane Commie-In-Chief order, then the American patriots better be ready when they hear the call to action.

          As DK keep instructing…..ENGAGE.

          • Rally on!

            Just look at the actions from these sports vendors who are boycotting a very large gun show in PA (set to run in 2 weeks). If this doesn’t show a rallying support for the 2nd Amendment and what they feel about irresponsible and unConstitutional dictates, nothing will:


            So far 207 vendors have pulled out because of the show sponsors requirements to not allow “assault” weaponry to be sold. Looks like this big show will be cancelled.

            In the meantime, this is a list of principled businesses we might support.

            • Updates:

              As of this morning, 304 vendors have pulled out of the show. (There are 1,200 vendors each year.)

              The show is sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Now that was a ‘clue’ so I did some digging….

              The Eastern Sports & Outdoors Show is run by Reed Exhibitors, an organizational branch of a company known as Reed Elsevier Group.

              They are connected to Progressive and Communist organizations. It’s easy to find the basics at and then go from there.

              Reed Elsevier is very politically involved AND connected to the Progressive/Communist Parties through organizations and lobbying firms.

              The corporation has very deep connections w/ the Council of Foreign Relations.

              John Podesta (Chief Commie at Center for American Progress) is tied to them via his lobbying firm.

              Crispin Davis is the CEO — he’s also the CEO of GlaxoSmithKline (bigpharma).

              On and on it goes….This anti “assault rifle ban” decision is nothing more than the Progressive’s marching-order. The ban being run by politicians who are trying to shove their mission throughout our capitalist society. If politicians can’t get rid of our 2nd Amendment through legislation, they will use businesses to do their dirty work. (We know this already!) I would ban everything run by Reed Exhibitors and let fly this information so that others boycott them, too!

        • Don’t forget all the armed drones they have in the air right now. Everything is automated and they can control thousands of strikes with very little human involvement.

          • The USA is a very big place. The 100 million they’ll be fighting are all over. There ain’t enough drones and there ain’t enough pilots. Drone pilots have families too, you know?

            After a few drone pilots mysteriously die in their sleep, you might be surprised how things will change.

            I am all for ethics and such as long as everybody is using the same set. As I said before: When you’re fighting known criminals and traitors, the book of applicable ethics gets thinner and thinner.

            • The real wildcard is what will happen when the LEO paychecks stop flowing. If our neighbors start disappearing, how many of us will continue our middle class lives as usual?

              “The thundering machines sputtered and stopped”

              • Bob, you get a thumbs up just for quoting from the opening scene of Road Warrior 🙂

            • In war, you must make the enemy pay a price so dear, so heavy, that the example you make of your enemy sends a message to any others who would even consider following the unlawful, unconstitutional orders from a Rogue administration.

              Engage. Vote.

        • What that simply means is the good guys don’t need to worry about getting killed by mistake…the upper echelons should be fair game too then.

          • Examine the resistance of the IRA, or the war the Israelis fight against Iranian nuclear scientists. For that matter, consider the American Drone War on Terror in Afghanistan.

            All of these efforts concentrate on the “command and control” leadership, or those individuals most important in their influence and opposition, like nuclear scientists.

            For their part, the Iranians target writers, reporters, and cartoonists in an attempt to stifle the propaganda of their enemies and instill fear in others. And it works.

            These targets are identified in advance, not selected at random. They are located and terminated to silence and end the threat.

            Individual globalist gun grabbers, their puppets, and their propaganda machine would be the likely targets of an American Insurgency against an unconstitutional Rogue Administration moving to register or confiscate guns in America.

            WE know the future. Victory is certain.

            WE will keep OUR guns if WE are prepared to fight for them. Everyone should read Washington’s Vision of OUR future at SHTF Patriots.

            That is the future of America. Free and armed.

        • Do U or anyone here know what the ” Rex 84 ” bill is ?? It is something that everyone should read so that U wil all understand excactly what we as Americans are up against !!!

          • taken from Wikipedia
            Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a secretive “scenario and drill” developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be “national security threats”, in the event that the President declares a “State of National Emergency”. The plan states events causing such a declaration would be widespread U.S. opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad, such as if the United States were to directly invade Central America.[1][2][3][4][5] To combat what the government perceived as “subversive activities”, the plan also authorized the military to direct ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels.[6]

            Rex 84 was written by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, who was both National Security Council White House Aide, and NSC liaison to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and John Brinkerhoff, the deputy director of “national preparedness” programs for the FEMA. They patterned the plan on a 1970 report written by FEMA chief Louis Giuffrida, at the Army War College, which proposed the detention of up to 21 million “American Negroes”, if there were a black militant uprising in the United States.[1][7] Existence of a master military contingency plan (of which REX-84 was a part), “Garden Plot” and a similar earlier exercise, “Lantern Spike”, were originally revealed by journalist Ron Ridenhour, who summarized his findings in an article in CounterSpy.[8]

            Transcripts from the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987 record the following dialogue between Congressman Jack Brooks, Oliver North’s attorney Brendan Sullivan and Senator Daniel Inouye, the Democratic Chair of the joint Senate-House Committee:[9]

            [Congressman Jack] Brooks: Colonel North, in your work at the N.S.C. were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?

            Brendan Sullivan [North’s counsel, agitatedly]: Mr. Chairman?

            [Senator Daniel] Inouye: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch upon that?

            Brooks: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed, by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was an area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.
            Inouye: May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I’m certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.

            Exercises similar to Rex 84 have happened in the past.[10] For example, from 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of over 100,000 persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the “ADEX” list.[11]
            See also

        • Pretty much. The troops would keep their guns and go home or point them at the treasonous commanders (including those at the top). The blue helmet boys don’t stand a chance against turd world insurgencies… they’d get shot to pieces here.

          Don’t even get me started on “Martial Law” either folks. Martial Law is something that is declared by the military when the civilian government dissolves or becomes incapacitated or otherwise compromised. By definition, Martial Law is not something that is declared by a civilian government that is still in power. Call it what you like, the twisted version of Martial Law that a lot of people fantasize about, the one that is “declared” by a civilian government that is still in power is laughable. The civilian government top to bottom would be signing it’s own death warrant for anyone within rifle range to carry out.

        • Will the real military hero please stand up?



          Either he is a fabricated lie and does not exist


          He is a coward..

          Should he truly exist then he hides in shadows


          We have once again been lead down the primrose path by an unnamed source ..

          Al conjecture

          No evidence.

          No verification.

          No facts.

          Are we becoming a fear based conspiracy site like all the others?

          Or are we seeking the truth?

          just saying folks

        • I said it before, and I’ll say it again for anyone who didn’t see my prediction the first time.

          That disgusting, nauseating, vomit provoking performance put on by Stanley McChrystal on MSNBC recently – where this filthy, stinking, corrupt, African communist gun-smuggler ass kissing piece of scum got up on TV and started spewing all sorts of easily debunked bull manure about how ferociously ‘deadly’ the puny .223 cartridge is when fired from an AR-15 and how he didn’t think private citizens should be allowed to possess AR-15s because they were just too danged ferociously dangerous – that was McChrystal’s attempt to audition for the job of the modern day William Tecumseh Sherman’s role under the Obama-Holder Communist Administration.

          McChrystal wants to be the military general who will command the NKVD storm trooper thugs who Obama and Holder want to unleash upon Americans who refuse to be disarmed. Mark my words, folks.

          Stanley McChrystal is one truly evil piece of filth and we need to keep a sharp eye on this greasy, pathologically insane, blood thirsty, treasonous psychopath.

          • fuck you Stanley McChrystal you piece of shit

            • when and if the time comes we all know who to have in the crosshairs, be it needed. there is a tim e to watch and listen and a TIME TO DEFEND OUR RIGHTS !

        • I have absolutely ZERO faith that “the troops will stand with the people when the time comes.” I will reveal, here and now, that I have spent 28 years in the U.S. military, and 90% of active duty military personnel, and probably 98% of DOD civilian personnel, will follow their leadership. It is simply a fact. That is what military personnel have been trained very effectively to do. They will do it. The 10% may escape (desert, leading ultimately to charges and execution in a crisis), but that will be too few.

          • Federalist45, there is no way to know how accurate your numbers and percentages are. As I stated above until SHTF.

            Your opinion is based on your life experiences as my opinion is. When I served under the Carter Adm he to did a Palms 29 survey & 27% of the Army surveyed said yes they would fire on American citizens

            That meant 73% would not. When this survey came out I was 19 years old and told my Capt. I would side with the people & defend them. I was told to keep my thoughts to myself. Point being, there are people like me serving now.

            In my experiences, one example I stopped at a rest stop and 70 Rangers were there, we passed out over 100 Oath Keeper pamphlets.

            What was explained to them was the consequences of disobeying orders, most responses were, quote(s) “Sir we’ll stand with the People. This is just one example of many.

            Once many become officers they become more political, the enlisted from E-9 down to E-2 still realize their Oath is to the People not a promotion or a party.

            MOLON LEBE

          • I agree Federalist45,

            I read Brackets trilogy Enemies Foreign and Domestic this past week. Specifically in the last book you get a great idea of how people will just go along to get along.

            Again great recomendation, thanks.

        • i have always said it will be the blue helmets we have to worry about if the shtf

        • I have personal experience that in the mid 1970’s I commanded an active Army unit in Fort Hood Texas that was training to go to Detroit Michigan to suppress riots. This training was classified and code named “Garden Plot”. It was then and still is illegal for active US Army units to be deployed against US citizens in the United States, but we were actively training to do just that! Folks, that was over 40 years ago and I’d bet that the “Garden Plot” plan is still in the Army’s planning archives.

      2. Obummer will stop at nothing to be dictator for life. Band together and stand strong . This fight has just started.

        • Don’t forget, all the slobs on welfare, and that includes most gummint “workers” voted for this and will not stand against it. Game over!

          • Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country is now…

            Ask what your country will give you for a vote, and make some one else pay for it.

          • …if these are our enemies and the best they can do…game on…we win!

          • I have heard from a few people on “public assistance” who are ready to contribute to the fight for freedom. One has an out-of-the-way place to be used as a safe house. Three are packin’, and one has been using her govt grants to study to be an EMT. She intends to patch up patriots when necessary. One is a hacker who stands ready to run some interference. Please don’t blanket everyone the same. Not all people getting govt help at the moment is proud of that fact. They are not all brain dead.

            • Todays parent type patriot folks should encourage teir kids especially late teen age kids to apply for a job in Fed gov agencys,instead of joining army etc.

              That way their kids can be Our eyes and ears! And if necessary assist patriots when it happens if it does.

              A Fed job be alot safer too compared to mid east.

              Choose jobs in fbi etc atf!…Just teach them to reject un const crap always.

              • the’ll be dead before the ink dries on their who they think “has thier back”

          • If USA heads down this road, the economy will grind to a halt (who will go to work when they fear their family will be abducted in your absence?) the freebies will not flow, and the leaches will quickly turn on .gov because “they took away MY EBT card”.

            .gov wants to give the impression that any such conflict would be totally lopsided in their favor. If you’re really sure you can wipe the floor with somebody, you don’t have to huff and puff and keep threatening them.

            • “If you’re really sure you can wipe the floor with somebody, you don’t have to huff and puff and keep threatening them”

              Very well stated Bob, and very correct.. they are building up their systems in a feaver pitch right now to try as hard as possible to give them the edge,, disarming, capacity laws,Ammo shortage, cameras, force multipliers..etc..
              ..this is how a cornered animal acts when they have fucked up and they know we know they fucked up and have lied to us, and used us..and the day of pay back they feel is emminent.
              Fear is what is generating every one of thier moves, every move.
              they are busted, and they know it

              • …ya and with each shot glass of courage(telling themselves they can take us) they imbibe they convince themselves they can take us…never realizing that “us”arejust sitting quietly at our table waiting with a sawed-offunder the table pointed at their belly…

            • You will need to deal with these people swiftly. Yeh or Nay…are they an asset or a threat, there are no maybes.

              Make the right decision and the only thing in your mind should be protecting your family.

              Carefully look at ALL of the individuals in your community, who they work for, their support system, etc.

              Do not be naive.

              It will be you or them…that is how the planet works.

        • The coup has already happened. The only question is just how far they are going to push it.

      3. Every military person in my family, which is quite a few, have assured me they would never fire on the citizenry

        • Hmm, Kent State?

          Maybe you are fortunate and have integrity in your lineage. Better believe there are many in the military who are hyped on “killing” and it doesn’t matter what brand or model they are ordered to “eliminate”. The “oath” means nothing to them. They will do as they are told. The question is “How many will break ranks and side with the Constitution and how many will follow the master program, put in place when they were “incrementally persuaded” on violent video games, soda pop, Rx and nonRx drugs, steroids, junk food and abusive parents.

          The US military is not what is used to be. Not to say there still aren’t great patriots in it, but sadly, the collective quality has gone down immeasurably.

          • What this really all boils down to is: we live in a foreign country now and we didn’t even have to move. Auf wiedersehen, ‘merica.

            • You live in the country you decide it is, my country is still the land of the free and the home of the brave, It will be until the day I die. If that’s on my front walk with a gun in my hand, so be it. To stupid to change, to old to run, to set to care.

              • OORAH!

            • Not only Kent State.

              Remember that the US Army fired on the Bonus March Veterans after World War One.

              Too, Special Ops operators fought against the Branch Davidians in Waco.

              • The more things change, the more they stay the same. The tyranny has been going on longer than all of us have been alive. Without the internet most would still be blissfully unaware. History is always rewritten to portray those who fight the corp tyranny as disgruntled veterans or dirty hippies or commie occupiers…and soon to be “domestic terrorists”.

                • Don’t discount the possibility that WE will be writing the next edition history books, documentaries, and entertainment.

              • Dont forget the Draft Riots and the Ludlow Massacre.

          • the collective quality has gone down immeasurably.

            Keep in mind the military is nothing more than a reflection of the larger society from which it gets its members.

            • Good point. I, for one, have had my gut full of this disgusting, nauseating, sickening, spineless, child-like, subservient, blind public ‘worship’ for the U.S. military. These people are not ‘special’ and they do not walk on water, folks. They are, just like JoeinNC says – no better or no worse than the average screwed up kwanzombie we all see on the street these days.

              And, here’s another truth: These military guys and gals are NOT ‘fighting for our freedoms’. These men and women are allowing themselves to be misused by a corrupt, criminal, mass murdering, sadistic, torture loving gang of blood-thirsty neo-con psychopaths who are nothing more than an organized crime syndicate operating behind the mask of a nation state. They are being used as a mercenary force to plunder the resources of foreign nations and to destroy nations and murder anyone who the criminal state of Israel wants us to kill for them.

              These people do not deserve our respect and they certainly are not to be admired.

              Here is when those conditions will change: When the US military decides to turn on these neo-con psychopaths, arrests every last one of them, and throws their war criminal butts into jail and then restores the entire U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. That’s how they can earn our respect; by upholding, defending and protecting the Constitution and Bill of Rights from the internal domestic enemies who have been using those documents as toilet paper.

          • our military has a history of firing on citizens.. A prime example were the “bonus marchers” in the 20s in Washington DC. These were unarmed WW1 veterans and when Macarthur ordered his troops to fire they didn’t hesitate.A shameful episode in our history.

          • You are a very sad individual to believe the words you write. I am in the military. I am not offended by your comments, just saddened greatly that this is the opinion you have of those who continue to give their lives so you can continue to trash them.

            • Well said!!!

            • History is what it is. I have great respect for the military. Our current leaders ask them to do the impossible . They are supposed to “win the hearts and minds of the people” and in a split second determine if someone is an enemy or a civilian.
              If only our leaders were law abiding and followed the constitution.With a declaration of war by congress and a draft I don’t believe war would drag on for 12 years.The politicians would also not take their decision lightly because their children and grand children might have to serve.

            • “Opinion of those who continue to give their lives” to whom? When’s the last time the military was keeping us safe? When was the last time the military was spreading freedom and democracy? No, you have been bought and paid for by the bankers. You work for them. You carry out their orders.

              Frankly, the present US military, the 250K in the middle east region, can stay right where they are so we don’t have to be concerned about them turning on us.

            • Anon,
              Please explain how American military personnel are giving their lives so that I may continue to trash them. I cannot grasp how you are protecting my freedom and liberty in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, or anywhere in Africa. I live in the USA, where are you when are freedom and liberties are being stripped away from us on a weekly basis?? Educate yourself, read Smedley Butler’s “War is a racket”. There are other pieces on the chess board besides a pawn.

            • If you guys were doing your jobs you would have already thrown out The Kenyan. No, unfortunately, the US Military is the most honorable fighting force on the planet being used as a tool for the most dishonorable cabal of criminals in history.

              • Dam straight!


              • Two thumbs up for passion!

                We in America have been programmed to think of our military always as “the good guys”. And, anybody they are fighting against as “the bad guys”. I think in the second “Big War” that may have been the case. But even then, the propaganda flowed into our naive senses like a tsunami. Considering myself a “patriot” it’s hard to admit that. I don’t want to think I was “duped” into believing in something that may not have been true, but now I’m beginning to wake up to the fact that almost all of it was a big show, designed to keep my/our attention away from what was “really” happening, behind the scenes, i.e. a small group of very powerful people were exquisitely controlling and manipulating from there so as to exponentially expand their power and finances for lustful dominion over all.

                Then came the Vietnam War. Were we really stopping the spread of Communism? We lost the war, 58,000 Americans died and what happened? Not much, really. What a waste of human life on both sides.

                But for me it wasn’t until the 90’s (in the Middle East) and the 21st century that I really found myself “waking up” to how I had been molded into believing in the sanctity of the US Military Fighting Machine: HONOR, DUTY, INTEGRITY, spreading democracy and freedom around the globe. BULL SHIT.

                We’ve been scammed. THE KING HAS NO CLOTHES! It’s a lie. War is their business and business is good.

                They create the wars, the factions, the national or religious “ENEMY” so we feel National Pride and support “our boys”. Well, it’s false pride. Fuck the Military killing machine. Let them “give their lives” spreading “Freedom and Democracy” in other countries. I don’t give a shit anymore. That is what they deserve because they are responsible for their life damaging actions. Besides, you know why they are really “over there”? They’re practicing for when the time comes, for them to return and continue “business” over here.

                For those Patriots who creme in their pants thinking our forces are “the greatest”, remember this: when the Abrams come down your street, and you hear that spine tingling rumble of those tracks on the asphalt, think back to when you thought how courageous our fighting men and women in red, white and blue, protecting you (and me) from “the bad guys”; with guns ablaze as that asphalt turns red.

                (Note: The military patriots that I’m proud of are the ones who come back and tell the truth, i.e. the way it really is. How they were pawns, serving their corrupt overlords. Now those are the ones that deserve the Medal of Honor. They are the ones I would proudly fight side by side with, against our tyrannical, fascist government!)

                • My great grandfather fought the Bolsheviks and my grandfather fought the Nazis. They were decent people who had to do some disgusting things in the war. They were brave. I wouldnt say that any soldier is honorable. But that was a very different world in a very different time.

              • All you fucks are a joke. I’ve been to combat… For an unjust cause… The only glory in it is that which u share with man to the left and to right when u didn’t get your head blown off, you didn’t get sniped, that RPG your “friendly local army” just accidentally shot at you didn’t land in your face. I know though as opposed to you that when push comes to shove I WILL kill the threat. Regardless if its a rag head shooting at me because we recently shot his father in front of him. Or if its the ATF, or the FBI. Or you. I will not fire upon any American ever I will desert the army. If that is what it would come to. You people argue over bullshit. When it comes and it will these mindless mouthing of words you typed here will not matter. Are you better trained than me? Do you have the experience that I do? Do you have better weapons , equipment, or logistics than me? I am the us army infantry and I fucking doubt it. So you better be fucking ready. There’s many like me who will not do what is being discussed. But I promise you there is more that will do exactly as they are told. Be ready.

                • ArmyInfantry, well said. Hope you are sharing your skills with others.

                • ArmyInfantry,

                  I tell you something, when it comes to protecting my family it is not a fu-king joke. You say that we fight for a for a unjust cause, well sir you are really a POS. My fight will be for my children which I sure you have none, My fight will be for the grandkids that I will never see. You think with all your badass shit that we provide you with (Yes our Money) your buddies have the right to turn that against us. Well sir you are very wrong. You see most of us have shoes older then you, most of us had Fathers that died to make sure that we had rights that are NOT to be Infringed upon, And Most of us are just to damn tired of the bullshit that is going on in OUR country. So you tell your Buddies they may wanna pack a lunch when they come to fight AMERICANS.. My Rights Shall Not be Infringed Upon!

                  End of this F–king story,


                • HOOAH brother. i got a bad feeling that some of these people would shoot first. Hope not. The rest would be history.

                  • Gun confiscation or domestic deployment is my line in the sand.

                • Youre a loser who couldnt get a job flipping burgers in the real world. You probably have a high school education. Youre gloating about killing people? Calling human children “ragheads” and glorifying killing them as well as their fathers? With my tax money? You low class people wouldnt know how to build anything. You think youre a big man for the destruction youve brought into the world? Almost never at a loss for words, I am struck speechless at your post.

              • take out the drone strikes put in diseased meat and blankets, you have our forefathers and the Native Americans.

              • yeah, i bet you would.

            • A close friend of mine served in the Marines and he spent 1 year in Iraq then 2 in Afghanistan. When he was early into his deployment be was enforcing a curfew around Baghdad his unit spotted a man on a roof. My friend was ordered to check it out and he reported it was man fixing the antennae on his roof for his tv. After he rreported this back he was issued another order, take him out, its after curfew, we can’t take a chance. My friend protested claiming he can see childrens toys in the yard and he insisted it’s somebody’s father fixing the families tv antennae. He was immediately rebuked and threatened wilth disobeying orders. He took the shot.

              It was one of his first patrols and he later got the sense new guys were tested to see how they would act and how they could be relied upon.

              It’s absolutley sickening to me, both following and giving those orders in that situation. So don’t think for 1 second an leo or active military would not follow orders and fire on American civilians, your more than naiive your plain ignorant.

              Not everybody would do that but if you got bills to pay and mouths to feed its natural human instinct to protect your own. Factor in blury lines of friend or foe, massive media demonizations, near complete lack of understanding history and the Constitution, and the general collapse of morality and ethics and you got a potential blood bath on the horizon.

              • If I ever found that CO, I would cut his face in half with a hacksaw. Piece of shit. Soldiers are the absolute vermin of society. God will judge him someday.

            • Anon,

              European American is 100% correct. The “Military Industrial Complex”, as President Eisenhower warned us about in his now famous televised speech, is nothing more than a political tool for the highly immoral politicians to use at their whim. Politicians are not moral people.

              This may explain why many of the Founding Fathers strenuously opposed having a standing army in the post Revolution period.

              Can anyone in the military tell us why we went into Iraq? And please don’t tell me that Saddam Hussein was a bad man. Yes he was a bad man, but there are warlords running around Africa today that make Saddam Hussein look like a choir boy!

              How many innocent Iraqis have perished since the beginning of the war?

              The ONLY asset that Iraq possess that has any value to us is oil. If our military is willing to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people for their natural resources, what will they do to Americans when ordered by the President?

              If you haven’t thought about that question, this might be a very good time to do so.

              • YH: the answer of Why Iraq?…Simple. Greater isreal.

                aka what is isreal now today is but a very tiny part of land isreal and jews desires to own and control.

                But they also want zero Gentiles to reside with them period. Most land of mid east is what they want.

                They want many arabs types gentiles whacked, and them what remains to be so afraid they will exit pronto and go live in Other nations…aka flood usa and euro white nations with more non whites.

                Oil is a reason of course. But NOT the real main reason. Jews believes they has a right to own every inch of land spoken of in old testement verses of land promiced to abraham. They just Reject the verses that say they MUST first Obey their covenant.

                Now after 2000 yrs history we know due to Their Disobedience of God etc the New covenant, as John Q Public posted enough bible proof verses to keep a person busy reading at least a week or longer, shows how Wrong their ideals are.

                Of course God didn’t call them stiff necked stuborn peoples for no reason!…They are stiff necked stuborn, just like liberals they control and refuse to Admit to being wrong.

                They Lust for the land and unless they repent it wont end well for them or many others. I do not think we will see any admitions of wrong ideas neither…They already had 2000 yrs to admit wrong!

                Untill they aquire/Steal 100% of land They believe is theire to take/steal…Mid east war will continue.

                Only question is if an american prez or others will finally stop assisting their rogue efforts?

                Ever since falugah(?) Our troops has been training to Learn door kicking to later do same Here to Us.

                I hope vast majority of military will start to question what is the Real facts and truths of all these issues. And stop going along unless america truly is at threats from other nations etc.

                USA aint been at real threat of loss of freedoms etc since England invaded in war of 1812!

                ALL wars after 1812 was swindles by banksters and crooks and asskisser political clowns and the MSM crews.

                • Angelo Mysteriouso,

                  >>”USA aint been at real threat of loss of freedoms etc since England invaded in war of 1812!

                  ALL wars after 1812 was swindles by banksters and crooks and asskisser political clowns and the MSM crews.”<<

                  I can't argue with that Angelo. But if Israel is hoping to do an end-run around history, and take control of the greater Middle East, they will have to wait another 2,000 years or more. I hope they are very patient because it's not going to happen. Not without massive U.S assistance.

                  The U.S. is already insolvent and any attempt to aid Israel would almost certainly be fiscal suicide for the U.S.

                  If selling F-16 fighter jets to Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda is any indication of what Obama is thinking, then Israeli hopes of Middle Eastern control are dwindling fast.

                  China and Russia are already on record opposing any move by Israel to start a new Middle Eastern war. If Israel
                  wants to go it alone and challenge Iran for dominance then they should do it alone especially if they truly believe they have divine might and right on their side. They are itching for a fight with Iran, but they'll have to go through Russian and Chinese opposition to do it.

                  I would be very surprised if both Russia and China sit on the sidelines while Israel starts a new regional conflict.

          • So many are on antidepressants. That crowd will be easy to persuade to shoot. The face on the target will not matter. Problem for .gov is that the gun could just as easily be pointed in their direction.

        • When I enlisted I was asked where I wanted to serve. I chose the western USA and was stationed on the east coast. The military has been stationing their personnel away from home for a long time. It now makes sense as to why. You will not fire on your own family but you will fire on a stranger if you’re put into the situation. I can see US military firing on US citizens and I would use that as the default response until proven otherwise by their action. The National Guard fired on the students at Kent State. The Mil fired on WW1 vets that were protesting the white house for their promised benefits. To think that the Mil will not fire on you is pure Darwinian. The naive will be quickly weeded out.

          • A very interesting question rises when you compare the current Rules of Engagement when our troops are in various countries, to what they will do to Americans. While in foreign countries, they have to handle every operation with kit cloves to make sure they don’t end up killing an innocent. I believe they will take no such care with our lives. They will be brutal and intolerant of any dissent.

            While they will be under orders to do this and may have some second thoughts, the American people will not have any problem becoming as brutal as necessary to protect their families. Every person in America is capable of becoming Benjamin Martin (as depicted int the movie The Patriot)

            • If the conflict was moved to the streets of USA, the US military would be destroying the same economy that feeds their machine, and they wouldn’t have a functioning $15T economy to work with.

              Internal conflicts are always the most barbaric. Atrocities would abound.

          • I wont.

        • Katrina survivor,

          I am very glad to hear that. But how many out of state law enforcement thugs flooded into Louisiana to disarm law abiding citizens after Katrina, at the request of the Governor?

          There will always be scum of the earth mercenaries, already here, who are ready, willing, and able to do the devil’s work. If the U.S. military won’t do it, someone else will. Cheers.

          • YH, etc: I think the control freaks will conconct national crisis like terrorism, bio weapons, emp’s etc, then an excuse to grab the guns. Right now the anti gun people know there will be resistance as too many people rallied at the state houses last week. Exec orders will be enacted with UN troops doing the searches. Anyone have other scenarios/ views on this, I’d like to see it.

            • Laura M.,

              Watch Feb 8th.


              • I must be missing something…..what is the significance to February 8th?

                • BJ,

                  There will be 2 events at the state capitols,

                  Guns Across America will have and event again Feb 8th

         will be having events Feb 8th

                  We will see what happens this time.


            • laura m.,

              We are seeing a growing list of Police Chiefs and Sheriffs across the country who will not enforce unconstitutional federal gun restrictions or Executive Orders. This remains to be seen when the rubber meets the road, but it’s a very good start.

              These gun grabbers are indoctrinated immoral irrational cretins. The worst kind of scum on the planet. It is anyone’s guess what they are plotting for an encore. I certainly wouldn’t put it past these beasts to butcher innocent people en mass to further their diabolical objectives.

              Stay prepared.


              • YH, Take their words with a grain of salt. They are already enforcing other unconstitutional laws, particularly the so-called “War of Drugs,” backed by money from the federal government. I don’t doubt that most of them have no intention of doing so, I say look at their past and current actions. I hope I’m wrong, but I’d suggest we keeping our powder dry and not trust most of these elected government employees.

                I trust a sheriff more than I’d trust a police chief, but when there is so much federal money involved, their choices might be swayed towards the money.

                We’ve all been fooled by words before. Words are cheap. Let’s look at actions and not simply take them at their word.

                • NCClyde,

                  Excellent points. Thanks.

                • Good work, NCClyde!!

              • U have to look at the bigger picture. the gun isue is only a small part of this. THere is still a lot of things that have to happen. If the economy collapse or in case of a natural disaster peopel will riot and loot if the goverment wants to confiscate guns people will olso riot and protest and criminals will proberly take advantage and loot the military or police will be called to stop violet riots. thats how it will begin and then some cops will shoot at the angy mob of amerikan citizens and once that happens it wil only get worse

            • Nothing I would like better than the Blue Hats to try to take my guns. Eyes aren’t as good as they were but I should be able to see them at 4-500 yds. UN won’t last a week.

              • The UN would collapse internally before any troops hit American soil. Here in Canada I highly doubt we would support such action. The negative political implications would be enough that we would not support such action. I have a feeling other nations would not come to aid in such an operation where they would lose massive numbers of their men and women. Sympathizers on both sides would be high and cause undue problems for governments.

                • Look at the restrictions most countries have put on the use of their troops in the ME conflicts. Most seem to be willing to be deployed in any “combat zone” with concrete walls, air conditioned camps, hot catered meals, and happy hour. I wouldn’t count on those same troops to be “the tip of the spear” in USA.

            • …much rather blow the brains outta foreign trash invaders than some fellow Americans kid!

        • Military, police, order keepers, here is the reality folks people like order, all people so if there is chaos the people will be more than willing to do what it takes for order, it is how Stalin, Mao, Hitler all took over. First chaos, death, hunger then they offer the order, with complete power for them, gee guess what is coming!

          • Exactly.

        • their own bothers, already know this, and will more then likely kill them before they get a chance to help the right side, sorry but the truth sucks..

        • So right!!! KS

          I work with the military everyday from all over the country, and can tell you that I take the time to ask and educate troops about the Bill of Rights and our Constitution. In the last 5 years I have only had a dozen or so state they would obey all orders given. 99% will protect their families and communities. Our top cop in the county stated to me that he would not ever obey any unjust law or order to disarm the people. Quote my deputies would all be dead within the hour should they try to take the peoples guns.

          My family has served in the military since the French and Indian war. I have also done my tour. I will never stop fighting for the people, and we may have to join each other very soon to get our rights back. We must have peace in our own country!


      4. The writing isn’t just on the wall anymore, its a frickin’ mural painted in technicolor with a video subset! There is no hiding it.

        Orwellian doublethink and ‘normalcy bias’ have shrouded plain view events into clouded conspiracy theories and obscure paranoia. Its not gunna be pretty for the masses. For as obvious as it is, they’ll still get boradsided and wonder what happened.

        • The TIME has come when “the people” must lead. The so-called “leaders” will follow OUR lead, or THEY will “vanish” one-by-one until ALL are extinct. This isn’t a threat…it is the last warning to the hubris filled self appointed aristocracy that now believes THEY will rule-this-land-and-people unopposed.

          YOUR OPPOSITION is LEGION. YOUR TIME is ending, and the time of the NEW REPUBLIC is at hand. The Tree of Liberty needs a serious “drink”. WE THE PEOPLE will surrender no more.

          Traitors will hang from the top-to-the-bottom of the artificial hierarchy and unprecedented atrocity in the recent history of this REPUBLIC. The “gauntlet” has been thrown down by Sheriffs across this land. Their numbers are growing daily. WE WILL PREVAIL!

          And YOU traitors to the Constitution and Bill of Rights have signed your own last will and testaments. WE THE PEOPLE will gladly oblige YOU! MOLON LABE!

            • I expect that when kick off time draws close many existing LEOs will find all sorts of new hires and advisers in their ranks which will be the equivalent of political officers who will actually run things. Bumps in the road can be smoothed out very easily.

      5. Hmmm, just a thought. Is it possible that many high ranking officers in various commands have been dismissed, transferred, retired, or otherwise removed from effective command as a result of this “litmus (read Oath) test”?

        Even a few of the retired that recently died from “complications” raised my awareness.

        Read the history of Germany during 1931 to 1938. Pick a few years, any will stun you.

        • Niner won’t say it so I will..they are being pecked off so they won’t lead a ‘resistance’.
          I am an old woman and never in a million years would I have thought I or anyone would be writing these words.

          • Then you are in an elite group: Ben Franklin said there were only three things in life that could be trusted: Old women, old dogs and old money.

        • Is it not interesting how many people seem to have committed suicide with a shot to the back of the head then their body is found in a trash dump. Like the long time Washington insider John Wheeler, or perhaps the first responder cop killed in an “accident” still not solved after the Colo. movie shooting along with a nurse who decided to go for a swim in the nude after midnight in a strange lake she had never been to. Or oh well you get the idea, so many “suicides” or accidents just far to many to list. But of course in America we have a exec. order that allows anyone to be picked up & held with no trial, no jury, or the other exec. that allows the killing with no trial no jury if you on the King’s kill list like the 2 American citizens that already were!

        • “Read the history of Germany during 1931 to 1938. Pick a few years, any will stun you.”

          I have, and it does.

          But 99% of Americans haven’t. I met an “educated man” on an airplane once who was looking over at the book I was reading: “Berlin Diary” by W. L. Shirer. In our conversation he actually said “now was Hitler World War One or World War Two?”. True story.

      6. We, each of us, are the ultimate guarantors of our liberty. One cannot depend on the political weasels. One cannot depend on bought and paid for judges who know very well how they came to hold their positions and who helped them get there.

        From reading sites such as snipershide and getoffthex, as well as more LEO oriented places I get the impression perhaps three-quarters of those who comprise the tyrant’s enforcement arm want to do the right thing. Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States, documents many examples over centuries of military and police gunning down civilians when the power elite tells them to.

        One would be naive, in unprecedented civic collapse, to expect those who carry firearms for the government will not do what they are ordered to.

        Bear in mind the U.S. Constitution is mandatory authority above any other government pronouncement. Including confiscatory laws. If martial law is declared, and it is nullified we are thrown back to the primary decision that keeps us free.

        I am a free man. I will neither register nor surrender my firearms. I don’t care who it is coming to collect them. Kick my door in and I am opening fire. The odds that I will die are excellent. But they will die first. The choice is, do you die a free man or do you live on your knees as a slave, and for how much longer?

        I would like to see the point of view established that we will take their firearms from their cold dead hands. And instead of waiting to be hit, when that time comes, why don’t we go hunting rather than cowering in our hidey holes? In essence they will have declared war on our liberty. Wars aren’t won playing defense.

        We, individually, are what ultimately guarantees our liberty. If someone does not have the courage to shoot and if necessary die, I question whether they deserve liberty.

        • You gotit, Sterling, well stated.

        • I feel you, but this is one of those instances that are best left to staying on the defensive, we act first and we give them an excuse to label preppers and survivalists as “domestic terrorists,”. They make the first move, we have the moral high ground in saying the government is full of usurpers. Besides, we needed a troop surge against Iraq to contain a country, how is the U.S. gonna keep up the manpower while attacking the very source it’s drawing it’s manpower from, while fighting a hearts and minds campaign vs our movement? Join us and a bonus will be given knowing you could be fighting the next door neighbor watching your kid? Join the government thats killing thousands of ‘Terrorists’? If it truly drags on, then at some point someone you know is going to die, someone you KNOW for a fact isn’t a terrorist, and you won’t be the only one, this would happen nationwide, then that’s when the real fighting begins. I acknowledge that should I stand my ground, I may die, and that my family would be possibly branded traitors and left to the will of their families, but I will be damned if I do not leave a message for the country to hear and spread before I go into the night.

          • …we may not be able to go toe to toe at first at least but we can start a million brush fires all over the place then hit them as they try to stomp them out starting new ones for each they stop till theyre consumed!

          • Oathkeeper:

            They already label “preppers” and “survivalists” as potential domestic terrorists, but I agree with you. They will have to fire the first shot, or make the first move.

            Just makes me wonder, though, what will they cook up to justify firing that first shot. Would almost have to be some false flag operation, wouldn’t it?

            Say, stage some “raid” on a “homegrown terrorist cell”, and have some LEOs “killed” in the process. Of course, the “homegrown terrorists” would certainly be using “assault” type weapons.

            Maybe so, maybe not.

            Been keeping a close eye on the local NG armory here in my town, watching for any unusual activity, as well as our small airport. Others should be doing the same. Anything other than the normal weekend drill routine should be watched carefully.

            Otherwise, continue to gather supplies.

            • Look at westernrifleshooters website for great articles on demonization of the opposition. It has been done with aplomb these last four years, and will become an even greater mission of the administration and the lapdog MSM in the next four.

          • They have already made the first move and the second and the third…. They just keep making moves and we the people just keep sitting on our hands.

            They have also fired the first shot and the second and the third… after the bad press associated with Waco, ruby ridge ect… do you think they let the other government initiated massacres get into the news? How many citizens killed by police every year?

            We will continue to make excuses until it is our door they kick down and then it is too late.

            Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Why do you think history repeats itself over and over?

            • Yup. One of the first moves is Obamacare. When they can cut you off from medicine, they can control you. When they can use the IRS to scrape your bank accounts dry, they control you. They don’t need to come and kick your doors in, they’ll just starve you. Start studying how the illegal-alien underground works, people. Black markets will be tools of our salvation. The underclass already has it working for them. We preppers don’t.

        • anonymous6.8,

          Well said. I have finally gotten around to read my copy of ‘Unintended Consequences’ by John Ross. To say I’m shocked by the parallels between this book of fiction and what is occurring today is a gross understatement.

          What is fiction today maybe historical fact tomorrow.

        • For those of us who don’t have a black rifle, we’ll get one when we hunt the oppressors down and take it. Hey, there’s my new “assault rifle”, kewl. Now I have one too!! Get it??

        • What is heavier?
          A soldiers weapon or a slaves chains. It’s up to each individual to decide.

      7. I took an oath when I joined to defend the Constitution from all Enemy’s Foreign and Domestic.
        They will tell the troops they are firing on Domestic Terrorist but their is a delima there as they will then be supporting a Government that is illegally usurping power, writing illegal laws against the very Constitution they are sworn to defend. For many it will be a moment of truth to support the illegals IN POWER or to support the people trying to take back power from the illegals. But then it is the illegals who were voted in by A majority of the people.
        Big BIG delima for the military what to do when ordered to fire on civilian American’s, men, women and children.
        NOT Foreign troops invading our country but AMERICAN’s!
        I think ONLY the radical GUNG HO types will obey the order to fire, I just pray there are NOT many of that type when the order to fire is given.

      8. Of course they are actively testing our military forces and police, for the “BIG EVENT!” This has been going on since before 911! Its too late for new gun laws,and the public is on to their Scheme! This has gone WAY beyond executive orders too! that’s why over 10,000,000 guns are being sold per month! Washington has decided to pick a fight with the American People! and now its the American Peoples turn! Having a career in politics might prove to be a health risk! especially when the bottom falls out of our economy! Good luck Washington! Now its our Turn!

      9. Every single person in the military has family that are civilians. I think if it came down to it that it would not happen unless by someone that is psychylogically damaged in the first place. Anyone have any idea what % of military are Oath Keepers???

        • Can’t account for the rest of the military, but here’s one..

        • Wouldn’t that be anyone have any idea what % of ex-military are Oath Keepers??

          • Not sure in all honesty, but many vets that actually saw combat (vs those that took pot shots, drove off and filed for a CAB) share the same view points, why the hell are we there when we’re not wanted and the government’s real agenda

      10. Our troops will never fire on Americans.

        If the Blue Helmets show up, welcome to America. Home of the largest standing Army on earth. You will not even be allowed to take your dead home to be buried.

        Of all scenarios in which our government was to be destroyed and re-alligned this would be my favorite. Yippe Kai Yeah M…… F……s!

        • @Big B. “Our troops will never fire on Americans” They’ve done so several times already through history. What makes the present any different? If they line up against you or I, chances are none them will know us personally. All they’ll know is what they are told and thats: We are the new terrorists and we are trying to bring down a justfied government. I damn sure ain’t gonna wait to pull the trigger hoping there’ll be a discussion.

          • When your communications are down you will believe anything. Try talking to someone who grew up in a comminist country. Total brainwashing. Thats why its so important for all of us to get a ham license.

            • if you want to keep your radio, does getting a ham license really make sense? Maybe get a set, learn how to use it, etc. but wouldn’t the license in and of itself pretty much lead the opposition to your door?

              • Maybe but in any event the licensure process is necessary to stop the airwaves from becoming the wild west.

                There is a stupid law that says its illegal to talk in code on the air…that should be repealed.

              • Seriously?, you’re being too paranoid. Nobody on either side of a military action is going to care that your home is a fixed transmitter site. /sarc

        • BigB,

          Our troops will never fire on us?

          With all due respect sir, around 28% will fire on us. And no I didn’t pull that number out of the air. That number came from a young man still serving, you see there are a lot of these men that really don’t have anything or for that matter anybody in their life. They do not care about who they shoot at as long as they get a check, really the only thing that they seem to worry about is the other 72% that will stand with us.


          • And with 72% around them I say that negates the 28% that would. As I said before we the people are the largest standing Army in the world. Say only 10% of the 70 million American gun owners stand up and defend. That is 7 million angry people. Kind of makes the Taliban and Al Queda look like a little thorn and look how they have fared against our troops.

            • BigB,

              Yes sir you are right, without a doubt when it does go down, then we will know that SHTF. Being off these last few weeks has been a learning curve for me, yes we hear all the people standing up and talking loud about our 2nd RIGHT, but what has concerned me the most is what is being said in private, you know those who talk to each other in that very low tone. Ireally think that a 10% estimate is very very low giving all things I have been hearing.

              Keep prepping brother,


              PS check out the link I posted below you might find some very good reading to add to your collection.

              • Thanks DPS, I will.

            • BigB

              7 Million angry people among them many many people who are a lot more tactical and scientific than the Taliban.

              Also America has a lot of different landscapes that locals know better than any satellite can portray. When power shifts, people want to be on the winning team (just look at how new many fans there are every year for a winning sports team) so those numbers could swell rapidly either way.

              • ….and look and talk JUST LIKE THEY DO.

                …and see them as THE WORST KIND OF TRAITORS.

                The motivation to make them pay bitterly and totally will be so high that unspeakable things will be done to them and their families.

                • “unspeakable things will be done to them and their families.”

                  Probably, but I disagree with the killing of innocents with the killing of more innocents. If that occurs I would take out the people that murder innocent blood on either side. This is my philosophy.

          • I’ll take them odds.

      11. Just ask the prince Harry..its a video game to them

        • Yes, but will it still be a “video game” once the people start shooting back?

          I wonder if those who believe the video game theory bleed digital blood? I suspect they can, should, and will find out far sooner than they want to.

          • I hear ya, but at the rate they are going, there might not be the ability to fire back when this comes to play on our soil, they sure are working hard at this wouldnt you say?

            also..drones have nothing in them to bleed…the pilot is back in a bunker safely sipping coffee and eating dohnuts with sprinkles on them..

            • “””also..drones have nothing in them to bleed…the pilot is back in a bunker safely sipping coffee and eating dohnuts with sprinkles on them..”””

              The point is, DONT ATTACK THE DRONES. Attack those giving the orders to use them.

              • I understand, but..those that get vaporized by the drones and the 10 or 15 standing around the target get waxed, dont get the oportunity to find the douhnut suckers..or their sprinkles, and that bunker they are in isnt common knowledge, and they are heavy on the secure boundry situation

                • True, but, we aren’t Afghanistan, and we don’t herd goats. …and drone pilots have families.

                  • oops! There ya have it.

                  • those high up followers of the PAB will be protected, and so will thier off wont find tham at home, they are owned by the military machine we have all funded,
                    hey listen I dont like it either..but when was the last time you infiltrated a military secured compound and did anything of any significance as an effort to stop this freight train…yeah, thought so

                    no disrespect ment..just a reality

        • The Taliban are not nice people. Save your bleeding heart stupidity for someone who deserves it. Amazing how this site has turned into a left wing anti American site. Fucking morons.

      12. I think the way it might happen will be a surprise to most.

      13. If the question of whether or not a United States Military Commanding Officer will fire upon American Citizens is the “Litmus Test” of those commanders for an American President; We The People need to Worry…NOW! I do not mean by just voicing your concern to our elected representatives either…Looks to me as the time for peaceful resolution is about over. I Mean Worry! Start to initiate those Bug In/Out plans that we have all been preparing for. The time to act is about to be upon us, and we had All better be ready when it happens.

        • Perhaps it is time for some long over due landscaping. Maybe the bean counters should start counting something besides beans. It’s time to play in the sand. Those practical jokes should now stop being funny. It’s not a bucket of water poised above the door, it’s flammable.

          The phrase “have a nice trip” takes on a whole new meaning.

      14. From an article in “The Look out”

        his words
        Prince Harry over the royal’s comments that piloting a helicopter in Afghanistan—where he says he killed insurgents during his recent tour of duty—is like playing a video game.

        “It’s a joy for me because I’m one of those people who loves playing PlayStation and Xbox,” the 28-year-old said. “So with my thumbs I like to think I’m probably quite useful.”

        look at the words used “Joy”

        “Playing”..”with my thumbs im quite useful”

        if anyone here doesnt think you could be in the crosshairs of a degenerate with a mind set like this, your head is suffed up your sphincter

        judge jury exicutioner at 1500 ‘ AGL

        • “”if anyone here doesnt think you could be in the crosshairs of a degenerate with a mind set like this, your head is suffed up your sphincter””

          That would be a good place for his thumbs….

          • Roger that!

        • I’m surprised Harry aint sitting in a corner in a puddle of piss playing with his his fucking toes. What a piece of Brit turd he is…………

      15. This started back in Oct folks, and once again they are not hiding any of it. Its right there right in you face, they want to what we the people will do about it…KyMom is right this is a chess game. Once again read the newest orders, Unv.back ground checks tied in with mental records will disarm 99% of all Vets. Every single Vet that has seen combat went through a debriefing,and had a pych evalution done. Under the new orders this puts up a red flag..Now this new old litmus test. Read back and take a look at some of the Miltary leaders who have been dimissed since oct. How many more moves do we have before checkmate??


      16. The question should also be “who amongst us will fire on those that fire on us”.

        • A big part of us once it starts.

      17. The Officers that say no, will be delt with acordingly..its already happining..

        they will be the lime light of BS scandals,scandals to ruin their credibility, family, family life..and public life to make them”step down” or “diapear”..or they will be dealt with in a way you dont even want to know.

        If you are not a yes man to the Dictator, you will be of no use to him, and that position will cese to exist, and so will that person.

        you dont have to believe this, but if you dont it will be at your own peril.

        eyes wide open

      18. More bullshit from your deluded mind. If this were true, one or more Obama-hating congressmen would be shouting it to the heavens on Fox, unless the repubs are in on the conspiracy, too. Looks like everybody is in on the conspiracy except you.

        • right, so he would be the one to take the bullet first in the back room and have an un-scheduled heart attack on the news at 5..please dont patronise my sensibilities like that

        • Perhaps congressmen don’t want to have an “accident” or get framed and go to prison either. If anyone spilled it like that, they wouldn’t last a week. Let me make this quite plain — every politician who isn’t in on this, is scared for their lives and the lives of their families.

          Most of those people are not experienced in being in the LOF.

          • True dat….

            Take a look at Sen. Ted Stevens last few years…
            and Harry Reid’s subsequent rise to his current position.

          • USSR, like all totalitarian governments kept defections to a minimum by threatening the families of pilots, diplomats, olympic atheletes, etc. “Protective custody” is a common tactic.

      19. Let’s see, society breaks down and there is chaos in the streets. Choice one: the government does nothing, in which case morons like those that frequent this site shout “Why is somebody not doing something about this!” Choice two: the government takes actions to restore order in which case morons that frequent this site shout, “The government is being tyrannical and heavy handed!” You people are nothing more than bigoted malcontents who will never be happy until you can run rampant killing those whom you consider to be undirables with impunity then you will turn on each other because you have shown only a capacity for mindless bloodlust. Idiots.

        • ahh, so this is your cover.., right? so they dont come looking for you.
          you try to apear to be on their side, yet you are the one they are seriously looking at and for.. i get it, this is your opsec

          • Good. That should make our job easier.

          • Cat gotcher tongue Joe?

          • Pretty good plan. Why draw flies?

        • @joeNutCase:

          ..does that “glory hole” job pay well, seems to suit you..

          ..gobble gobble, gulp gulp, slurrrpp….

          ….you missed a spot on you chin there, Nancy…..

          .you will be quite the debutant, at the FEMA Annual Ball..

          ……………don’t forget to floss………..


        • @ JoeinNC. When was the last time you had an ounce of something constructive to say to anyone? If you don’t agree with anything, would it hurt you to once awhile say something nice to someone that got sick, had an accident, or other misfortune? Would it hurt you to add something to preparing ideas for natural disasters? Would it hurt you to actually not be a parasite to the site and the people that are trying to learn from each other to better survive what is coming? Your pure hate and anger puts into much more into the category of someone extremely dangerous than anyone else on this site.

          Let’s profile the next mass nut job that goes out and shoots up a bunch of innocent people. Very angry at everyone. No constructive words for anything, just hate. Makes lots of enemies and enjoys making others suffer or angry. Someone that condemns others owning firearms yet has themselves. Someone that continues to get criticized but keeps coming back where they are not wanted, masochist that enjoys pain and bringing misery to others. CAN’T give any praise or anything constructive to anything. Avoids constructive talk that is positive, only looks for a topic to irritate everyone with their rhetoric. Why, I think this describes JoeinNC. What do others think out there?

          Now I can see the next false flag event being planned. Knock, knock! Joe answers the door. We are from YOUR government and we need you Joe. Of course Joe is having excitement he has never experienced before. “Joe” we need you to go to this shopping mall and be a hero for the government. Joe says HERO?, Yes, just tell me what to do. JoeinNC is the perfect recuit for the next false flag event, as anyone in the mainstream news would look up his lunatic comments on this site and say, this person was definitely a hate filled psycho that went over the edge. That idiot piers morgan of some other anti-self defense extremist would blame the AR-15 and the gun laws for it though, rather than anything else.

          Joe, don’t become the next patsy for the government’s agenda, become a person and start contributing something worthwhile to to SHTF site. The government wants you Joe, you are the perfect next Joker, or next gremlin.

          • And even if he refused at first, they would just shoot him up with enough drugs to get him to do it.

          • Dont feed the troll.

        • @ Jo(k)e(r) in NC. Everytime you insult and go after the good people on this site that take their time so often to help others in need, you will get the label the JOKER. Just like that psycho in Aurora with the puffed up orange hair that took pleasure in gunning down a movie theatre of people that harmed no one. When you say that the people here would not be happy until they can act out rampant killings, and yet you can see just how much the people want to help each other. What are you blind and stupid? People that want to hurt innocent are not going around trying to help their fellow person, they are spewing out hate and anger totally one sided. That fits jo(k)e(r) in NC all too well.

          Until you can add something constructive to the conversation, something to help someone learn something about being prepared, or at least be considerate to the people that more than deserve respect, you are the JOKER, with just the k and r added to your name. I am being fair to you, something you have not been to the good people here. I hope others will follow suit with me, and call you by your true name “JOKER in NC”. I hope you get some integrity and stop being a schlong face, and see just how much knowledge there is on this site, especially just on everyday living. Just look at all the people that have advice on getting better from the flu. What is wrong with you, wouldn’t you want to help someone you knew with the flu get better?

          JOKER in NC sures has the common traits of a bloodlust psycho waiting to use his guns on a crowd. I have not seen one person with more rampant hate and lustful anger than Jo(K)e(R) in NC on this site. Seriously read all your posts and compare them EVERYONE ELSE and see for yourself whom is the most hate driven. Wake up JOKER in NC before it is too late for you.

        • If everyone just ignores this troll it will eventually go away. Just scroll past its posts.

      20. I still think that one of the most over looked prepps that some have is the human mind. With that being said you might want spend a little time studying some books on the following link..


        • Absolutely fantastic link, DPS!!! Thank you very much!!!!!

          • The 439 page US Army Field Manual on Psyops is downright scary. It will pay to know your enemy….

            • MXlord327,

              Not really sure what your name stands for but your very welcome for the link, some great reading there I just wish more would take the time to download some of it and study it.I figure we the People paid for that Info why would you not take the time to read it..


              PS if the MX stands for Motocross, the TSCEC circuit 1996 thru 2002 even made the ISDE try outs. Go Team KTM

      21. With rgards to my namesake, I will refuse to fire, and will commit acts of subterfuge to turn any servicemember to the right side in regards to the Oath of Enlistment, all I ask is that you folks not be so trigger happy, as probably the real reason many may fire, will be due to confirmation that they’re being fired upon. Like I will, is it too much to ask that you shake their resolve and question what side they’r really on?

        • Oathkeeper,

          I am not sure about other folks but for me I will not fire until fired upon. I also will not allow anybody to disarm me. I have never taken the oath simple because to many motocross injuries. I was told that my knees would not with stand the training. I will stand beside the oathkeepers as long as the protect their oath. My RIGHTS and my family shall not be infringed upon.. Thats My Oath.


          • Your individual salvation depends on our collective salvation.

          • Same here DPS, hence my screen name starting with MX.

        • I will view any domestic deployment as a violation of Posse Comitatus and an act of domestic terrorism. I will look upon you as an invading army. I will have no problem with engaging you. God forbid that anyone who has taken a shot at American civilians be capured by me.

      22. Every single U.S. armed forces persons that I know would rather die than shoot fellow Americans for any reason. This is just whom I personally know, but I will tell you what everyone has to watch outy for, f’en un troops.

        IF and WHEN the government decides to turn on the people, it will likely be un troops attacking Americans. This is when everyone with any firearm needs to defend the country from a true foreign invader. The second that anyone sees those un blue colored troops trying to enforce anything, it is time to to treat those bastards as a total invading army. The un is the most evil force out there, and they will have no trouble shooting Americans. EVERYONE needs to treat the un as the same as you would a home invader with a weapon, stop them at all costs.

        • your country was invaded a long time ago, by mexicraps


            • So,OK, let’s give it back to Mexico. Then give Mexico back to Spain. Feeling better?

              • There were Mexicans before Spain arrived. How can anyone hate a cuddly little Mexican girl? They bring you tacos.

                • What? Now, wait a sec… it’s hard to tell in text, whether your first sentence was intended to be a joke like your last sentence. Just to set the record straight, then, Mexicans were the result of the indigenous population being raped by the Spaniards on a very large scale. They did not exist in pre-Columbian times.

              • I have. There were no Mexicans in what is now the southwest USA. There were some aboriginals, (mislabelled Indians) and a couple thousand Spaniards who were busily enslaving the aboriginals. What have YOU been reading? Marvel Comics History Series?

          • …and a Kenyan.

        • The military meatheads talk a lot of shit but when the time comes theyll cave and do as they are told.

        • For those who haven’t seen this video, please take a moment to watch from someone who has seen it before.

          • WOW! This guy is not a kook or right wing conspiratory type. Man, I wish that every person in America would watch this. Thanks POp

          • Po’D,

            Thank you I know I will spread this around. Very clear message but a very smart man.

            Thanks again,



            The only thing I do not agree with is labeling all of Islam as our enemy. The video I posted explains why…although it is VERY long.

            • Islam is the enemy of humanity, to claim otherwise is foolish.

              • I hesitated until I studied. Eisenkreuts is correct. Go YouTube search Bill Warner islam. The facts stand on their own.

                • Bill Warner may not be a very credible source. Reasons?

                  He seems to be hate fueled against Muslims and as he reminds the viewers in “Why We Fear Islam”, that many of his assertions are based on opinion and not PROVEN evidence. Many of his facts could be correct, but he could equally be leaving out a lot of information that might work against his theory.

                  There are three sides to this debate of Muslims vs Christians(and Jews).

                  -Those in favor of Muslims that bring credible information to support their views.
                  -Those is favor of Christians that bring credible information to support their views.
                  -Those that are unbiased towards either culture and usually find reasons to blame both sides that usually have negative agendas about one another.

                  The overall history of Christianity has not been kind to others just as Islam hasn’t. Thousands if not millions have been slain by both religions over the thousands of existence.

                  It might appear that as of late Christianity has taken a turn for the wiser and more peaceful, but we must also remember that Islam is still very much alive in many 3rd world countries and Christianity is largely populated in modern civilization. Life is more rough in the Middle East and Africa. It is not as civilized and doesn’t live by the rules and standards of the rest of the world. Where you find poverty, you usually find more violence.

                  That being said, look at all the major wars started in the last 150 years, look at all the deaths and which countries are responsible for them…It certainly isn’t Islam.
                  Look at history since the beginning of recorded time and you will see a pattern. The strong conquer the weak, usually by killing. The pattern switches back and forth between cultures, usually over a long period. Before the period we are in now, it was Islam doing the killing. Now it is us.
                  Look at the broader picture.

                  • That being said, look at all the major wars started in the last 150 years, look at all the deaths and which countries are responsible for them…It certainly isn’t Islam.

                    If they had the capability certainly they would. Fortunately the dirty animals are impoverished, so they cant cause too much trouble.

      23. If we stand and do nothing we have everything to loose. If we stand and fight we have everything to gain. I personally would rather die on my feet then live on my knees. By the way those cute little blue helmets make a great target!

        • I’d like a few on my front porch for planters — just put a couple of holes in them and they’ll drain after you water the flowers…

        • Easy to say for you chairbourne commandos.

          • …isn’t that a movie? “The Chairborne Conspiracy”

      24. there is only two solutions #1 fema camp/death/slavery/big brother watching you all the time or #2 Quit yourself like men and fight what ever the outcome

      25. Good to see you are here Be Informed. Wow is the quake activity off the charts. 5 quakes over 5.0 with one being the polar quake.

        Any initial thoughts?

        God Bless and I hope you are feeling better,


      26. First of all I am well enough to start commenting again somewhat. That flu is absolutely awful. I had it the past 6 days, and for the first 3-4 days it was just a sore throat and aching bones and joints, then the nose starts running like a faucet and you start coughing even more so. The fever comes and goes. The ticket here is when you start feeling better, don’t believe it, this is the way the flu works. Rest is essential. I could have been a lot worse, and the following I did saved me from getting nmega sick and could help others should they be as unfortunate as me to catch this horrible strain of the flu.

        Elderberry extract really helped, took it till two bottles ran dry.
        Vitamin C helped to dry up everything
        Chicken booth boiled down, helped with breaking up mucus, biyt chicken booth is suppose to help stimulate the white blood cells to heal
        Vitamin A, when I increased from 50000 IU to 100000 IU, this really hit the flu hard, just yesterday I did this
        Saline solution up the nose, again and again to help kill any bacteria infection
        Apple cider vinegar in water, strong, only the organic good type. This killed a lot of pathogens in the throat and broke up the mucus enough to be able to breathe
        Vitamin D3, I up it to 3000 IU, I know you can go higher, Daisy knows a lot about this
        Keep your chest warm, cold air cuts into you breathing
        Keep your head raised up as much as possible when trying to sleep, helps the drainage.

        I want to thank everybody for their concern, and I want to try to help EVERYONE out there with what I did to get by this horrid strain of the flu. The above mentioned should help everybody. Also PLEASE everybody, if you catch it, make sure you make sure no one else gets it also, cough or sneeze into a kleenix or something, use alcohol sanitizer on your hands. Not too many people deserve to get this flu, other than the a holes in the government that might have engineered this bug.

        • Welcome back BI. Glad to hear you are feeling better.

          • @ BigB. I tell you, that flu is not something seen in decades. It comes on with a raw throat and then goes into a dry cough and barely a cough just to keep you awake all night long. Then the bones and joints start aching and the fever sets in. Anything that comes up is yellow from the throat. Then you start feeling better, thinking it has waned and then your nose starts running like a bad cold and the cough becomes much worse. The mucus is now very think and you feel like you are choking, all the while chills throughout the body. This is exactly the same symptoms I am hearing from many different people that last 1-3 weeks. Because I hammered it at first offset the severe part of the flu did not take hold of me. I still felt awful Sunday and Monday.

            I could feel the items I was taking were working because I would take a load of Elderberry and about 15 minutes later I would feel better, but it would only last a hour or two. The real relief from the coughing was that Apple cider vinegar that broke up everything and killed some of the germs. Also I was surprised just how well chicken broth works, I read that it helps stimulates the white bllod cells and helps to heal the throat and airways, it did. I would never use the bouillon cubes for chicken broth because it is mostly just MSG. Even taking some chicken dumbsticks and boiling them down would be very good. Lemon with honey works quite well to ease coughing. Really any citrus with honey. Your bees once again prove to be valuable.

            I sure hope no one else catches this flu out there, it has to rank as one of the most powerful in 50 years. Anyone that does get it must not succumb to it, if they can continue to fight it and fill their bodies with healing foods and others such as Vitamin A,C,D3, and others it should not last as long and not be as severe. I know someone people that actually got the flu and fought it off with enormous amounts of carrot juice. I would get sick and not be able to stomach a lot of carrot juice. Rest is essential, not to over do it. Let’s just hope no one else gets it.

            • Thanks for this helpful information, as I’m starting to experience some of these exact symptoms myself, like the thick yellow mucus that almost chokes me when I wake up. I was almost afraid that it might be cancer or emphysema or something along those lines, but of course even the flu can be fatal, so I’m going to try your remedies. Thank you, sir!

      27. When they roll down the street and 10 come to your door 7 out of 10 patriots will bow down and comply that leave the other three being taken out. It happend in New orleans after a hurracain… most people will bow due to fear
        The correct and only option is head for the mountains.For those of you in flat lands good luck!!!

        • Snake,

          This isn’t a local contingency anymore, this is now national, far too many people are coming to the realization that something is terribly wrong with our government, such as the one hundred million dollar price tag for emporer obama’s coronation for example. I am not running anywhere, and there a an awful lot of people coming around with the same opinion. True, historically it is usually the three percenters that do the bulk of the resistance, now we are seeing normal staid working class people who are standing up against this tyranny. In the month of December over three million firearms were sold, a record, people are not buying these guns to give them up or bury them.

        • Snake, By the time they get to my block I will know what is going on and will be well prepared for them. I am sure there are many, many more that feel the same. This is not the same as New Orleans where 90% of the population has already bugged out.

        • @snake:

          I AM RED, WHITE, AND BLUE.

          Son, these colors do not run.

          ..come and take it……woof….BA.

          • Upon further thought once I heard they were in town I would arrange a welcoming party. They may be to buzy entertaining visitors to ever get out into the field. Perhaps a good welcoming gift would be made out of copper or lead. Maybe even leave them some brass. 🙂

      28. This news is truly unsetteling. The question remains, will the military and civilian LEO’s actually do the Prez’s bidding? Waits to be seen. I for one will NOT give up my liberty to Military, Leo’s or UN personnel. They are infringing on my rights per the Constitution.

        They work for us, (President, military etc.), we pay the bills. If we stop paying thier salaries, will they then work for us???

      29. The planet is alive. An earthquake down in Balleny Islands region, and sure enough this means something big is coming on top of all the other quakes. This region aims like a sniper right at the following areas; Caribbean and South America, Vanuatu, New Guinea, Indonesia especiall Sumatra, China and southern Japan, and Mexico including southern california, and the South Sandwich Islands, and the Nazca Plate. 14 out of 18 times this region lead to a big earthquake.

        The issue here is the same places keep coming up again and again with each of these foreshocks. China and southern Japan, Chile to Mexico, western Indonesia where the super quake hit 8 years ago, and from New Guinea to Fiji. I don’t feel patterns lie or this is a coincidence as each area is pointing right to these spots. There have been too many of these plate boundary quakes, and the Austrailian plate is loaded with them. It is actually more likely now that a 7.5+ hits now than a 6.5-7.4 because of the widespread activity.

        For example, when you get a high 6 to low 7 range usually there are one of two spots that get hit beforehand. Before the 7.8 north of the Cascadia fault there was more than a couple of these foreshock quakes. There has been earthquakes on almost all the plate boundaries in the world. This would assume that something so large is coming, enough to ring the planet like a gong. That would be at least a 7.5. Watch these areas, it is coming. IF it hits Tokyo or some major Chinese city this could have devastating effects on the economy. It sures is pointing in this direction or the west coast of South America to northern Mexico, maybe as far north as California.

      30. Not suprising at all. Obamanation will arise to a power never seen before. By the time America decides they have had enough he will have already done the damage and changed the shape of america forever. Scary stuff for those who arent ready for it I gusess. I on the other hand am ready for anything. Are you?

      31. This is why they are also burying all excess ordinance on military bases throughout the continental United States.
        They do not want the American public to overrun a base and get there hands on it.

        • Are they really doing that???



        36 OF THEM .




        ~N.O. ;0p

      33. Why are you all acting so surprised?

      34. Something big on the way?

        Russia evacuates citizens from Syria

      35. Another BS story. All of us have friends relatives in the military but only this guy has privy information that all of are friends and relatives in the military are keeping from us. Do we really need BS stories to keep us fired up? No. There are enough real stories and reality for that. Quit treating us like the elitist do. We are not stupid or naive.

      36. Hmm, these great patriotic leaders being ‘removed’; would they not arrange their own army?
        Where are our leaders if not these?

        • ~~~The only way this could be done is if military leaders are willing to command their subordinates to deploy against the American people and fire on them if necessary~~~

          And this can only be accomplished if there are subordinates willing to fire on American people.

      37. Nice to know. Makes decisions easier.

      38. so the soldier that slaughtered all those civilians in Afghanistan shouldn’t be tried as a criminal but would be made the general of all the U.S. military by this litmus standard!

      39. it’s just a matter of time now before all the pieces are in place (the surveillance system, data collection, detainment centers, the drone deployments, the training of agents from all the alphabet agencies aligned under the DHS, the redeployment of U.S. forces home from the sandbox etc….) and Obama’s big-brother government can make its move against what is left of America’s constitution-believing citizenry.

        ***sigh*** who wants to live forever anyway?

        • @Rifleman:I’m with you all the way. PERHAPS THIS IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE!

        • oshithead to putin, “I’ll have more flexibility once I’m re-elected.”

          “don’t go down without one helluva fight.”

      40. Just glad im in Arizona near pine forrests your block aint going to be a nice place to hold out from.Doesnt matter if your whole block is prepared eventually they will crush the block..Better remember Germany and all the towns and villages.Our suburban dwellings are not places to hold up UNLESS its post apocalyptic.

      41. In My part of the world I have no constitution to defend & we got our dictators forced upon us long time ago thanks to the vatican(they have always preferred murderers) huge corporations( communists love cash) & the support of liberal politicians from europe & north america, a UK MP in the 80’s actualy said that mugabe was Gods gift to africa. So we are just waiting for the whole thing to unfold, I think the USA will be the epicentre

        • Are you a Rhodesian? Please tell us about surviving the collapse down there.

      42. If it’s true, then this is what we do: all the good soldiers that were purged, we make a new Army of those, and they will protect us; and we, them.

      43. “The only way this could be done is if military leaders are willing to command their subordinates to deploy against the American people and fire on them if necessary.”

        “if necessary” is a poor choice in the quote above. Its never necessary, or justified, to fire on your own people.

        “when ordered” would be a better choice.

      44. …doesnt matter whether a man is a oathkeeper,a soldier/cop a farmer or a mechanic as long as individual liberty and its supremecy are parimount in their thinking then they are the ones we will call brothers…anyone else and I mean anyone,who stands against liberty is the enemy and will have to be delt with in extreme prejustice…remember if we the people are now the enemy then we are going to be subjected to all the physco-logical warfare this outlaw govt can muster…theyve used it against every enemy theyve had for years and are experts at it…wouldnt be wise to discount it but remember to not fall for it too much…theyre not gods and theyre not all that good at anything theyve ever done..besides that, they underestimate us and our resolve…thats a major mistake on their part,one that we can use and that will cost them dearly!

      45. Be careful when people give shocking reports from anonymous sources! Could just be throwing gas on the fire to get people all riled up and to drive a wedge between citizens and military personnel. Remember these are our brothers, sisters, fathers, sons, mothers, etc in the military!

        • Soldiers are brainless lemmings. They will do whatever theyre told.

          • Go away Eisendreutz. Besides bashing ANYONE’s thoughts, you don’t contribute at all.

            • Amen bro,he rules the world from mommies basment.

            • I have plenty to contribute. Ive been a survivalist for a hell of a lot longer than any of you. The first step to an improved society is reeducating you stupid old men.

      46. You could have prevented all of this in 1968.

        I give you three guesses as to how. Hint: you fired someone who was telling you some very, very good advice. But no. You had to have it your way.

        You can still prevent it. Much more painfully but it can be done. Barely.

        Hint: someone from China was recently here and they wanted full intellectual property rights to the solution in question. You are presently working with them on the down-low.

        If you don’t, I have to assume you want a bloodbath.

        This is beyond aggrivating at this point. What’s it gonna take to grow a fucking brain?

        • I took a walk in the park and ordered a hotdog on a bun.

          The ketchup dispenser was empty and the mustard bright yellow.

          Onions and relish nowhere to be found.

          I know where you are coming from boy friend.

          • 0_o I have NSA groupies.

            Oh. Joy.

        • huh,excuse me?

      47. When the tornado struck nearby it was mercenaries in black without markings on their uniforms who showed up to enforce the unofficial “you have no rights” marshall law.

        They will fire on anyone who challenges them.

        American soldiers will fire on American civilians long before American civilians will fire on their own soldiers.

        This could get very ugly. I hope someone comes to his senses before he causes the next civil war.

        • Martial Law..why do so many people get this wrong?

          • Because the majority of people are absolute, uneducated morons. You just have to keep talking and hope they will parrot what you say. Its the only thing they are good for.

            • I am still waiting for Will and Holly law.

              But I tells ya, I’m out when they declare Chaca law.

        • Im happy to die to protect the constitution. My grandfather would have.

          • Sounds good.Why don’t you start today? I think your grandfather shoveled shit in Louisiana instead of fighting nazis.

            • It was Pennsylvania actually.

      48. Night Of The Long Knives, 2013 Edition.

        • “Night of the High-Cap Mags?”

      49. None of this makes any sense except maybe to satisfy some ignorant sick-o-paths desire to sensationalize a non-issue and stir up a bunch of crap. It is ridiculous to think Obama is purging the military of high ranking leaders ‘because they would refuse to fire on Americans’. That’s absurd. There has to be another reason. More likely than not, it’s a psychological false flag to give the sheeple a false sense that their beloved patriotic military sons and daughters will somehow show a change of heart and side with “the people” when they are ordered to slay Americans or their neighbor who has been identified as a domestic terrorist prepper. There’s no need to purge the military of anyone. First of all, contrary to all the nonsensical rhetoric floating all over the internet, at least 90% of all American troops (Army, Navy, Air force, Marines and Coast Guard), and this includes the National Guard of all flavors… WILL most definitely fire on and slaughter American citizens. Those that won’t in the heat of a firefight will either be shot by their own comrades or arrested and tortured afterwards. Ok… you don’t believe me. Then tell me how many people do you know will give up their government paycheck to disobey an order? There are many precedents to support my assertion. All you have to do is read history. Read American history, read European history, read Roman history. Read, people!!! There is a firestorm coming to America and the peaceful citizens better be prepared to die defending themselves or they will die enslaved just like all the other innocent people everywhere else in the world for any number of thousands of years have at the hand of their comrades under orders from their leaders. It’s not just the military, it’s also the cops, sheriff’s, and parasites that work for all the alphabet agencies whether they are State or Federal. (FBI, DEA, FEMA, DHS, IRS, too many to list here but you get the point). They all are psychopaths addicted to power and the false security of their tax funded paycheck, and they will blow your ass away in a heart beat and love every minute of it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a damn fool. Just ask the American Indians. Just ask anyone who has ever had the shit beat out of them by some lard ass, skinned headed cop. Remember Waco, Texas. I bet most of you cheered for the government thugs and cursed the Davidians (because the Davidians, of course, were some sort of crazy group of freaks that deserved to be killed and made an example of). Just ask anyone who has ever been on the receiving end of a government sponsored genocidal feeding frenzy. All governments are run by the same kinds of psychopathic sick fucks and government employees the world over are parasitical idiots that will kill their own family members if they are ordered to do so. It is a rare individual that will stand up like a man and draw down on a dip shit government sick fuck who has a badge and a gun and it is truly a rare man that will forfeit the false security of his paycheck to disobey an order to kill another human. I did not just make all this shit up people. My assertion here is based on historical precedent.

        • i’ve gotten my ass handed to me by the sheriffs and local cops on 2 separate occasions. believe it or not, for nothing. regular old racial profiling. i’m with you. i don’t buy this “won’t fire at citizens horse shit” one bit. these assholes are already abusing their power in these relatively lawful times. imagine when shit hits the fan…

      50. There needs to be a website explaining,(when the shtf),as where to assemble in one’s local area.If we need to protest it should be altogether and MASSIVE.

        • sooo, a killing field?, ahh i’ll pass

          • one thing my trainer taught me, never congegate..his visual aid was..wile you 6 guys( or what ever number) were standing around BS-ing all it took was one grenade to take you all out

        • …more than three and youre askin for trouble.

      51. “Blue Helmet”

        He wore Blue Helmet
        Bluer than velvet was the night
        Softer than satin was the light
        From the stars

        He wore blue Helmet
        Bluer than velvet were his lies
        Warmer than May his anguish cries
        Blood was ours

        In my sights I held tightly
        Feeling the breathing slow
        Like a flame burning brightly
        A widow maker to reap and sow

        He wore Blue Helmet
        But in his death there’ll always be
        Precious and torn a memory through the years
        And I still can see Blue Helmet through my tears

        ….kill three, be free…..BA.

        • Thats some funny shit right there.



        (use a dripping wet rag over barrel flash suppressor, shoot from inside cover, barrel flash suppressor inside cover OR behind wall)

        ** plan to engage targets from cover concealment higher elevation 300 yards or greater (greater command of fire zone), always pre-plan your escape routes with back up alternative routes with well hidden stash sites for your weapon and gear (leave scent maskers along route i.e. gas/ diesel , mace , wolf scent musk). use multiple vehicles modes of transport and change styles of clothing / hats / wigs / glasses .

        * wipe down all gear and wear head face mask , impact goggles , ear protection and gloves during action .

        Only BEGIN OPERATION / engage enemy ZOG GESTAPO targets if your escape routes are clear .



        ~N.O. ;0p

      53. There are always some who will fire upon civilians.

        When you see a Bradly Fighting vehicle or an Abrams M1A2 Tank rolling down your street with about 30 soldiers in combat gear and a Black Hawk above you.

        Break out the Milk and Cookies. Then SMILE…

        • …them milk and cookies got alittle somthin extra in em…iffin you get my drift 😉

      54. I find it quite timely that the government bought up all that ammunition about a month or two before the big gun control debate started. Diminish the supply. Forethought in my opinion. I’ve worked in the government for a while and the SPEED at which the gun control debate happened is what is so interesting. No less than an hour or so after the Connecticut shooting, the ENTIRE media complex was in overdrive, pundits spewing, politicians angling. That takes time to put together, but it just simply happened almost immediately. The timing is just too remarkable to be tin foil hattish. Why now? Because elementary school kids were killed. Kids were killed in Aurora. Kids are shot EVERYDAY. If it wasn’t in some suburb in Connecticut but some inner city school, the conversation would probably never have happened. But know they found the perfect set up, suburban 6 year olds. I WANT to believe that all of this wasn’t staged, but it just seems too convenient.

        But it begs the questions, WHY? So gun control laws are put into place and some people will give up their guns. So what, the government KNOWS that taking away guns isn’t going to deter crime or make the killing stop. They KNOW that most people won’t give up their guns, so why is there just hour and hour of debate. It is NON STOP. What are the messages and plans happening behind the scenes while everyone is in a tussle over 10 round clips? Syria news gone, Libya news gone, Iran haven’t heard peep about it in weeks. Japan/China? Fighting over some islands? Why NOW? Fukushima still spewing. Greece, whatever the hell happened with Greece? It was going to bring down Europe and no nothing, not one word about it in the news. Banking crisis, nothing. Debt Ceiling, punted. I don’t know, I’m just wondering what the real story is behind the scenes. Is the gun debate just a smoke screen for some real scary shite?

        • Its because they have us all watching this hand, as the other one is fucking us over big time and no one sees it..yet. to be honest im not even sure what the fucking is going to be or should i say the next sure its the financial situation and thier stupid ass so called “cure” for it..its all being done under the rug, just before they pull it out from under us

          And yes im with you on the staged thought..too convienient..not to mention, no law suits over 26 dead people and 20 of them being 6 and under..riiiiiggggt..if it were for real the ambulance chasers couldnt stay away from it, the civil suits and the criminal charges levied on that citys government for not protecting those allegid deaths of 20 kids would be all over the paper and TV, and higher ups would be in deep shit
          the lives of all our kids are intrusted with a system, their system..and if it truely broke down like they said it did..the blood money in peoples eyes would be astounding..yet..,, nada

          the lines are there, just not enough people are able to read between them

          • Ask yourself..would you let your kid die that way, than just pack your shit up and move to floriduh? or would you demand answers,and go for who was liable for your kids safety?

            no real parent acts the way these actors are acting. that entire show was for the sheeple

            • VRF … I’m with you 100% on this one.

              • +1…i happened to be sick that day and home watching the “show” nothing added up after a few hours and things begain to change and suspects began to disappear.

                Looking for those to turn on us, well I’m praying for those protecting the head of the snake to come to their senses.

      55. My middle daughter, who was 16 at the time, went out with a guy in the National Guard. He took her to a “party” which turned out to be a hotel room, no party, where he had sex with her then left her there! And a policewoman brought her home. Years later my youngest daughter, who was 18, was dating a guy who was in the National Guard. I thought he was off, but she moved in with him anyway. The day I got a hysterical call from her, fearing for her life because he was in a rage, I picked up 2 landscaping guys I passed on the way over there. They beat the shit out of him. Know what he said to me? “Wow, I love a good fight that was better than sex!”

        Two for two. You REALLY think they won’t follow orders?

        • sadly I think Ive met these two…

        • The National Guard creep I knew spent most of his life high on whatever drugs he could get and sleeping around with anyone he could find. His commanding officer commended him as an outstanding recruit. He is now in Afghanistan “fighting for our country” and idolized as one of our brave military.
          I am sure he would gleefully shoot any civilian he was ordered to kill. (He also shot puppies and cats for target practice.)I worry about martial law and having to deal with his type.

          • those type that are too cocky and think they are good will be killed by the elite ex military members who are patient and under control and smarter. I don’t see them lasting that long. In the military they teach you how to shoot but the majority of the troops do not turn into rambos. It’s all skill and luck where you are hiding to make your shot. many special ops shoot thousands and thousands of rounds but many people pratice daily with ammo and guns and can be quicker and more accurate than someone who is exposed to lack of sleep and uncertainty. Some people are fast and good with an ar-15 but many have to aim and take way too much time.

            Do you ever go to the range and shoot at a target and challange someone. Sure they can make the bullseye in a 1 inch center mass at 100 yards with a gun or a 5 inch diameter at 50 with a pistol but have to take too much time to focus that long. Then you have the type of shooter that can draw and come very close to that target such as the size of a human body in less than a sec and hit somewhere on that target. THATS ALL IT TAKES. SO YOU DONT HAVE TO WAIT 3 MIN TO GET A BULLSEYE WHEN YOU ARE PROTECTING YOURSELF. IF YOU HIT SOMEONE WITH A AR-15 IN THE TORSO WITHOUT BODYARMOR OR CERAMINC PLATES THEY ARE GOING DOWN. IT BLOWS A NASTY HOLE IN THEM. Speed and the shot in the general area in more important than a bullseye when you are engaging someone ladies and some men.

            • Clint,,
              Great point, I try and get my buddies to see this every weekend. All of them shoot very well from a bench rest, I Hate that damn bench rest. Sure they can all knock the center out in 15 mins but only 2 of us can get on the paper with all shoots in seconds. You cannot learn to shoot on a bench, the bench was made to sight in that rifle.


          • Live by the sword die by the sword.

        • 1. What the hell kind of parent are you? Your daughters a whore.

          2. I would have beat him 3 times as hard for a smartass remark like that.

          • What a jerk off you are! I’m a good parent! I met both of those goons, warned them about hurting my daughters! They were incidious creeps much like yourself who are wolves in sheepskin clothing! Maybe if they’d had a MAN for a father they wouldn’t have fallen for assholes like yourself.

            • Damn you pissed me off! I rarely use this language! I shouldn’t even respond to trash like you, but how dare you call my daughters whores! People don’t visit this site for abuse!

              I, me alone, took care of the problems! In both cases complaints against them were filed. In both cases I, me alone, made them pay as well as I could. Roofing nails and beating aren’t the results of a good moms revenge? I’ve been pulled off a big black man for threatening my children!

              Tell me where you live and I will show you a good mom!

              • Maybe you shouldnt respond to the idiot but Im glad you did…bad enough to have a daughter violated by some useless piece of trash…then to be insulted/blamed by some moron who has zero tact and class and obviously has no respect for women is almost as bad…you just be there as you have for your daughters….they need you,I salute you for standing up to the pissant bully…we both know he’d never tell you where his moms basement is located…you go girl! 🙂

                • The daughter wasnt violated. She went with the jerk. I have respect for women. Im not a moron. I dont have a basement.

                  • Must be from your bedroom then

                • Thanks Reb! It’s so very hard! Do your best with your kids, then have an awipe talk to you like this!

              • Your 16 year daughter is having sex. If you dont see something disgraceful in that your cranium is deformed. Im glad you filed a complaint after the damage was already done. Why didnt you use some common sense beforehand and stop this girl from running to a party with this guy?

            • You are certainly not a good parent if you let a 16 yr old daughter go to a party and date a gaurdsman. That was senseless. I treat my women very kindly and would only ever beat one for cheating. I might be an asshole, but Im certainly not a wolf in sheeps clothing. Im a plain old wolf. What you see is what you get with me.

              “jerkoff” “insidious”

              • It’s more than obvious from your comment history that the next woman you have will be your first.

      56. Petraeus

      57. They will fire on americans. They have in the past and will do so in the future. However, when they did fire on citizens we had hearded ourseleves into a gorup and called it a “protest.” That statagy has to change.

        Do not allow yourself to be hearded into a “protest” and become a target for the armed forces. We, as a nation, is beyond the point of protesting. They will use it as a reason to open fire on the people. We will have to think outside the box when fighting these career politians.

        Obama is getting his ducks lined up in a row. I suggest we do the same.

      58. When the freight train is heading your way dont lay down on the tracks

        • …lay down between the rails, keep your head and ass low.

        • blow ’em up!

      59. These people really need to come foreword and the Libya event just backs up acts of treason with the testimony of the fired military commanders.

      60. Somewhere this “litmus test” is written. It’s not all word of mouth. That document needs to be acquired, validated and made public.

        The battle is for the literal hearts and minds of the body politic. In that campaign the pen is mightier than the sword.

      61. A general may give the order, but it would be up to soldiers to execute it. One can only hope the non-coms, who actually run field ops, know and understand the oath they took, recognize an invalid order when they get one and act accordingly.

      62. Honestly if this is for real which to an extent I believe it is, just think of all the things that go on with the boys and girls in the military: ie numerous unidentified vaccines, urban training and so much more. This has to come to pass in order to have their civil war. The war drums are beating, not only all over Africa and the middle east but in America and Europe as well. Make certain your spiritual house is in order and it is not a sin to store goods, like some say lack of faith. Be alert and prepared in all areas. God Bless and keep your heads up

      63. A part of American history that has been swept under the rug is all the “massacres” that happened early in the 20th century between workers and business and government troops. They happened all over the country. Americans shooting Americans simply because they were on strike or complained about conditions. Imagine what they’ll do when the riots start.

        • Yes, youre right, yet another facet of history the idiot populace has no idea of.

        • Instead of Pinkertons, we now have Blackwaters for hire. Wow. That is pretty darn scary, now that I think about it.

      64. ( – Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), speaking on “MSNBC Live” on Jan. 16 said that “some of the southern areas have cultures that we have to overcome” when it comes to gun control.

        This should tell everyone where they are coming from and what they are planning to do. It tells me, LOAD AND LOCK a mag in my M1A.

        Stand Free and show them where they got it. Long Live Freedom.

        • The first gun control laws were passed to disarm the slaves in the south. Damn blacks never will learn.

        • Deo Vindice!

          Dixie Forever!

        • The only good thing I see in that statement is that they may seriously underestimate the resolve and determination of a lot of us in the North!!!

          • Youre right! the trouble with these people is they ASSUME alot….they practice the art of DIVIDE& CONQUER and do it fairly well…they wont come out and attack or denigrate the whole all at once…they target a section of people or region and attempt to focus all the anyomosity they can toward that particular group…and we know that white southern redneck guntoting hillbilly hick racist trailer trash are fair game 😉 …they can stereotype and vilify them and not get alot of serious resistance…at least they think so.
            For those who have followed the elitists as they have “progressed”this comes as no suprise….right now its this group theyre after but any other group should realize that at some point theyre gonna be back in the crosshairs…marxists have no loyalties!…”Live free or die tryin”

      65. I’ve been hearing reports for awhile that a certain percentage of cops and military will stand with the people. I’ll believe it only when I see it for myself. Remember, cops and soldiers serve the government, not the people. Cops and soldiers get brainwashed with all kinds of lies and propaganda about the people. Anyone who forces their way into my home, I don’t care what you’re wearing, I will open fire and you will die, unless you just forget about that move altogether. I’m not surrendering anything, period! LEOs and military personnel would have a hell of a time trying to prove themselves to me. there is already historical precedent for US military unjustifiably attacking US citizens. There is already a growing gap between the public and LEOs in this country and it’s the crap the LEOs have been brainwashed with that has caused the problems, otherwise I think there would be trust. No way I’m going to trust any cop or soldier who’s been told by any federal agency that the American people are “the enemy”. Anyone who accepts that as gospel without researching it or at least questioning it is one of the biggest fools around and will deserve to die at the hands of an angry mob after TSHTF. Braveheart

        • Fuck the pigs. Fuck the military.

      66. ……hence, why I will not relinquish my firearms under any circumstances. The bad guys are already overplaying their hand. When you have to stage a mass shooting once a month, you know they’re getting desperate. It’s having the opposite affect and people waking up in greater numbers. These fascists are a bunch of maroons!

      67. There should be a few red flags prior to anything nefarious going on. This stuff does not happen in a vacuum.

        1. A significant amount of unruly social unrest would be first to proceed.

        2. The MSM will demonize those labeled responsible for the social unrest as opposed to the conditions fueling it.

        3. The authorities would be attacked in a false flag to support #2.

        4. The body politic will be reminded 24/7 by the MSM to fear “those labeled responsible” and support the authorities that are protecting them.

        5. National Guard units will be called up, Federalized and moved away from home to “support security operations” elsewhere. If Governors object see Perpich v. DOD (1990)

        6. The possibility of a Robert E Lee rising with “My heart lay’s with Virginia” ;The sparks will damn sure fly with this.
        a. Communications would be taken over preventing as much as possible unfiltered facts from reaching the body politic.

        7. Foreign markets will respond by abandoning US securities sensing, possibly fearing a US collapse similar to the USSR in 1990. The problems fueling the “social unrest” in #2 have just been magnified 10 fold.

        • …first all hell breaks loose…then we win!

          • REB

            Win what?

            Win a fragmented country with a destroyed infrastructure? Win a nation that has been taken back decades if not centuries? Rome fell and Spain and England became dominate. Rome with all of their technology became insignificant. Don’t think for a minuet that if the US dissolves by magic Thomas Jefferson and company will appear.

            Only the foolish ignorant or the insane intellectuals could long for such a thing.

            • “Win a fragmented country with a destroyed infrastructure? Win a nation that has been taken back decades if not centuries?”

              We started out with a wild country with No power grid, No roads and NO infrastructure, with NO capital to start out with, yet we made this country the greatest on earth…so, what’s your point?

              • That was in a day when those things did not exist. Look at Mogadishu Somalia. What Government would rise from the ashes and ashes there would be.

                Anyone that longs for such a thing is insane.

            • Sure we’d have to start over…so? I dont want to carry the mess we have forward anyhow…lets kill it and start over…and yes there are Robert E. Lees/Thomas Jeffersons and a whole slew of others, right here, right now, who will step into the fight when its time and will alter the course of human history again…nothin personal… but if that makes me a crazyfool then fine…but insane I’ll never be… 😉

        • Greate coment. or the sosial unrest will begin with the financial crices or the goverment trying to takeawy the guns. the military and police will believe they are doing the right thing when they are protecting other people from the angry mob if that mob then attacks them they will shoot (just look at other countries in europe people rioting threw petrol bombs at riot police)once the police shoot back the civil war will begin

      68. That’s alright,ill be firing right back at them.

        • Fuck the military. If killing is what you love your place is in hell. You little shitstains love to pick up a gun. Drunk with power, it makes you feel like a badass.

      69. While working today I found an old newspaper from 1952 that had a very interesting article, considering the state of affairs in our nation today. The columnist was George E. Sokolosky and the title of the piece was ‘Bad Free Press Better Than Government Control’ He begins, “A committee of the United Nations has been in session for several years, considering the problem of freedom of information. The idea is that the United Nations, by universal treaty, will set up standards determining the nature and character of freedom of the press for the entire world. The American representative on this committee has been Carroll Binder of the Minneapolis Tribune, a competent editor. It has been obvious from the start that the real objective of this committee has not been freedom but suppression of freedom of the press in the interest of governments. Whereas Mr. Binder has been laboring to explain that freedom means freedom for the individual, most of the European and Asiatic delegates seem to understand that freedom means freedom for government. We have here a conflict in the basic philosophy of life- a conflict which has plagued the United States since Franklin D Roosevelt missed its import at Teheran in 1945. The article continues on but the paper is not all there.

        • Good post. Most people now think that this is the first time we have ever discussed what makes a free country. Because it’s the first time for them.

          End of WW2 was when a few people read The Road to Serfdom, too. But only a few, and they were ignored.

      70. Pale Rider, thank you for the link. Braveheart

        • I’d just as soon it be some dork like this. I wouldn’t like firing on U.S. troops, anymore than I suspect that they would detest firing on their fellow Americans.

          But I got no problem wasting a dude like this. And I’ll aim for the groin.

          • Walt, just remember to aim small…really really small… 😉

      71. Good to know there will be some high level military minds looking for a job. Appears we may soon have one for them.

      72. Am I off for thinking this? DEM OR GOP, THEY want to weaken the population and if the smart ones prepare and arm and themselves and a all out civil war happens a lot of the gang bangers will be killed and a lot of the deadbeats while the smart ones prevail and live. I know Obama doesn’t want guns around but if this has to do with resetting the dollar and America can get away by saying a civil war broke out while getting rid of millions of weaker americans that after the rebuilding process the smart and prepared ones will live. This is just fantasy what Im saying but do you think this could of been thought off or way off and far-fetched. Anyone of this thought? Then the dollar can be replaced after chaos and rebuilding process and new rules etc.

        • Good point about the gang-bangers. What do you think they will do if the military & police start going after gun owners and preppers with force? Will they just lay low until everything blows over, or will they use it as an excuse to rape, pillage, and loot everything in sight? If they choose option 2, it may be good for us. A lot of resources that the gov’t would use to come after us would have to be diverted to squashing gang violence.

          • MXL: The government will put them on point. We will have to cut them from the herd, the government won’t have to.


        1. Go to Goodwill; buy a pair of size 14-16 boots.
        2. Place them on your front porch along with a copy of “Guns and Ammo” magazine.
        3. Put four giant dog dishes next to the boots and magazine.
        4. Leave a note on the door that reads:
        Me and Marcel, Little Donny-Ray and Booger went to get more beer and ammo. Be back in an hour. Don’t mess with the Pitt Bulls. They got the mailman this morning and messed him up real bad.
        I don’t think Killer and the pups took part, but it was hard to tell from all that blood. Anyway, I locked all of ’em in the house. Better wait outside. Be right back.

        • Now THAT’S funny!!!

      74. I’ve posted this before

        but just in case anyone missed it

        things will NEVER be the same again


        the days of unlimited growth and expansion are OVER

        we are living in the last days of our way of life

        collapse may be sudden
        a black swan is always a possibility
        but one thing is sure

        we are in an irreversible downward trajectory

        and cases of Mountainhouse in the closet won’t save you
        from the long term effects of collapse

        it takes a different way of thinking
        a different way of living

        being self sufficient and independent as possible is our only hope


        getting your mind around what is happening world wide is incredibly difficult
        the way it is is the only thing we know
        it has been drummed into our heads from the minute we popped out of the womb

        change will be DIFFICULT

        can you imagine what the average Roman would have thought
        when someone told him the EMPIRE was in its last days ??

        no doubt they would have laughed at such a “foolish” notion

        well kids we are living in the last days of our “empire”

        the signs are all around us now
        aren’t they ???

        recognize that changes are happening
        adapt to those changes
        survive the changes

        • What is coming is not a bump in the road, it is a descent from a freeway onto a bush trail. Only those with strong backs and good shoes will make the journey.

          John Greer writes some of the most common sense I have read in 10 twenty something years of following this subject.

        • @Satori…

          I agree. Your comment regarding what the average Roman would have thought had you suggested that the Empire was in its last days rang true to me.

          I’ve posed that question to folks many times.

          The truth of the matter is, most people have a terminal case of Normalcy Bias. That is to say…”It hasn’t happened here, therefore it won’t happen here.”

          There is also much denial when it comes to just simple principles of economics…namely…You can’t continue to spend and spend and print fiat currency and not expect there to be repercussions. At some point, someone will point out that the Emperor has no clothes and then your currency will degrade to its obvious intrinsic worth. There are those who say, “Well, this time it’s different.” No it’s not. We just haven’t fully experienced the end results of such foolishness…..yet. And there are other principles as well…economic, spiritual and moral that cannot be ignored either. And those principles are just as immutable and unavoidable as the laws of gravity. We ignore them at our peril. But we not only ignore them, we flaunt the violation of those principles. And we then expect there to be no consequences. We invade other nations, or overthrow their leaders and try to force western democracy on them, and then expect there to be no blow-back. And then we are surprised when they hate us for it.

          These are all the signs and symptoms of not only a failing empire…but of a failing civilization. And the best we can hope for, is that the coming “dark age” will not last too long.

          • There is a word…maranatha.
            Meaning: come quickly Lord.

      75. The FBI said 40% in the miltary are gang members think thats an accident? They will be worse than the un pigs. They are setting up all the obots for extermination… I just hope I get to see the media sickofints get it 1st..

        • There’s something I fear. A military that emulates the Mexican Army. The Mexican Military (Drug)Industrial Complex. Brought to you by Obama and La Raza.

          • I seriously believe that behind the free ride o’s giving them! The freeloaders will make a great army, free population control on both sides!

      76. Well, it sounds like the end-game IS to declare war on Americans.

        Let’s examine the evidence.

        In the closing days of 2011, Congress, under the absurd suggestion of Sens. John “NcLame” McCain and Carl “Lucifer” Levin, passes the National Defense Authorization Act. Part of this gross misapplication of the law was the declaration that the United States is now a theater of war. These two pathetic pieces of human debris somehow managed to convince 91 other morons in the Senate, plus at least half the members of the House, to vote in favor of this assault on Americans.

        The Obama Justice (sic) Department has made its top priority the disarmament of the citizenry. They have been acting covertly, because they know that a major revolt will occur if they act too hastily.

        The nation is being led over the cliff by a despot who is more concerned with his place in history than he is with the survival of America the way it was founded. Not only does every proposal of governance coming out his mouth turn out to be the wrong thing; every idea is the exact opposite of the right thing.

        The despot-in-chief also has expanded the Drone War, and is now authorizing those things for American air-space. He has a “kill list” that he will not reveal any details to, under the guise that it’s a “classified document.” And 51% of the people that voted in the last national beauty pageant voted for this dipstick.

        • “a despot who is more concerned with his place in history than he is with the survival of America”

          Naw, I think he’s more concerned with earning his place at the elitist table, in their underground complex.

        • Yeah, um, about that “51%” thing? I don’t believe it for a second. The voting machines have taken away our ability to have real elections. I, for one, personally know more people who voted for Ralph Nader in 2008 than McCain and Obama combined. Who did Americans REALLY vote for this year? It doesn’t matter… Obama was the puppet masters’ choice. But the important thing to keep in mind is this: If you voted for Romney, you were still voting for the status quo. Had the puppet masters decided to give the job to Romney, you all would be gloating today and failing to recognize the complete lack of difference between the two.

          • Entire voting districts in PA without one single vote for Romney. Districts in WI and FL with 120% to 140% more votes than registered voters. No vote fraud at all here. Not that Romney would have been much better, but I can guarantee he would not spearhead a charge to disarm us.


        Guess our national leaders didn’t expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton , Colorado , was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

        They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:

        “Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women.
        We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence.
        The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers. The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association.
        The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain’s heart.”

        “In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA.
        I am not a member of the NRA.
        I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun.
        I am not here to represent or defend the NRA –
        because I don’t believe that they are responsible for my daughter’s death.
        Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended.
        If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel’s murder I would be their strongest opponent.

        I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy — it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies!
        Much of the blame lies here in this room.
        Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves.
        I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

        Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
        Your words are empty air.
        You’ve stripped away our heritage,
        You’ve outlawed simple prayer.
        Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
        And precious children die.
        You seek for answers everywhere,
        And ask the question “Why?”
        You regulate restrictive laws,
        Through legislative creed.
        And yet you fail to understand,
        That God is what we need!”

        “Men and women are three-part beings.
        We all consist of body, mind, and spirit.
        When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc.
        Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation’s history.
        Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
        What has happened to us as a nation?”

        We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence.
        And when something as terrible as Columbine’s tragedy occurs —
        Politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA.
        They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties.
        We do not need more restrictive laws.
        Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors.
        No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre.
        The real villain lies within our own hearts.
        “As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school.
        I defy any law or politician to deny him that right!

        I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain.

        Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.
        To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA —
        I give to you a sincere challenge..
        Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

        My daughter’s death will not be in vain!
        The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!”
        – Darrell Scott

        Y’all Beware! Sad but needed.

        • My God,

          That WAS AWESOME….What further can be said, anyone, I ask…What further can be said…

          Thank’s Y’all, many. many thanks for THAT!

          • @Y’all….Thank you for posting this…much needed…and so true

            • Thanks Y’all! speechless.

        • “As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school.
          I defy any law or politician to deny him that right!”

          Um… not to nit-pick, but who is Craig? I’m asking because I really don’t know. Is Craig the brother of Rachel?

      78. Congratulations, Mister Obongo-STEIN!

        WHITE GIRL KILLS 2 BEANERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


        Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders…

        Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their
        two-story home.
        It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.

        Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father’s room and grabbed his
        12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

        Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old’s knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds
        to his abdomen and genitals.

        When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death
        before medical help could arrive.

        It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0?Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

        Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news……..?

        An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself……against two murderous, illegal immigrants…….and she wins,
        She is still alive.

        • great post

          I remember seeing this plastered all over the main stream media

          NOT !!!

        • nonamejo,

          Sounds like to me that she got off 3 shoots, wonder which was first the balls or the chest, HMMM think the girl figured they where there to rape and she got some street justice. Either way good for her, If the news people won’t report then by god they will sure as hell get mad at the 25 e-mails they get from me everyday till they do start reporting these stories..


          • Um, a single shotgun blast could easily do the damage to the abs and balls. Come on, man, there’s no way I need to tell you this.

            • Boom,

              Did you read it???

              Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old’s knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds
              to his abdomen and genitals.

              Near point blank blast, hence Mossberg model 500 trap gun think about it..


      79. @ Norse Prepper. My head has cleared from being sick and that Australian plate is really showing signs of some real trouble brewing. On the USGS map you can move the chart where it says Earthquake Age. When you move it down from 0-7 to 0 to 2 or even 0 to 1.5 or so, you can see how there is a real concentration of quakes in the northern portion of the plate. This plate was where the 9.1 occurred 8 years ago and where the mega strike slip quake happened last April. This plate just by the shape of it it being squeezed by all the other plates. Looks like a catcher’s mitt, and when really looked at for awhile, it shows just how much energy and raw crust is being rammed into this area of the world.

        The earthquake in Siberia and the one today in the Balleny Islands shows pressure build ups along the plates that will likely cause a very big quake, which the Australian plate will be a factor in. It still points to China and southern to central Japan and western Indonesia from the action in this region. The Carlsburg Ridge had the largest swarm recroded in that area and it the plate boudary between the African and Australian plate. The planet is not that big and actually all plates affects each other because they are all trying to seek an equalibrium and balance. The bigger and more dense plates will win, that is the North American and Eurasian plates. Even the Pacific plate is mostly less dense oceanic crust.

        I stil go back to that these polar quakes and other not polar quakes on the plate boundaries are showing that in the past when these regions were hit, the same places for big earthquakes occurred. You don’t see these same areas, like China and Japan for say a polar earthquake near Greenland, as quakes in Greenland seem to favour big earthquakes to follow in Chile, the Caribbean, New Zealand, Central America more so. Each earthquake along a plate boundary has it own personal signature to where the big earthquake is going to come from. The past earthquakes along the plate boundaries have been coming up China, Japan, Indonesia, New Guinea to Fiji, and Chile to Mexico. Coincidence it doesn’t seem like. Trying changing around the parameters on the lists on the USGS maps, it is really interesting when you can isolate the statistics a bit, makes it easier to see what is coming.

        • Evening BI,

          Glad to hear that you’re recovering Friend. Again though,
          “Caution!!!” Everyone I know who’s had this says it is an
          absolute ‘sneak’ post-facto, successfully returning over and over.

          I wondered about all that activity on the Carlsburg a bit ago,
          it is sobering to hear you now singling it out in the same breath
          with ‘9.1’, sends shivers all over me.

          At this point all things extra-terrestrial are very quiet; the
          only notable exception being the Boulder, CO. magnetometer, for
          which a surge downward of almost 40 nT was noted over a three
          hour period beginning shortly after 18:00 UTC, Nothing Solar of
          any sort is currently operant per the terrestrial side of things.
          FURTHERMORE, not a hint of anything ‘extra-solar’ now since 1/2
          …20 days, I’m relatively sure that that is a record in the time
          since monitoring began in earnest. Far from being a comfort, I
          find this disturbing as regards the missive I mentioned
          previously in forum.

          Stay abreast of the activity to be sure, but TAKE CARE OF
          SELF FIRST!!! (Triple !!! for emphasis!) 🙂 Get Well,
          incidentally, did you know that when the temperatures outside
          drop to significantly below freezing that the TOTAL contained
          water vapor diminishes to a fraction of what is otherwise
          present at , say, 75 degree’s? THIS is the genitive precursor
          to EVERY yearly Flu epidemic. ONCE your mucosa dry there is no
          longer a fluid medium in which the leukocytes which inhabit your
          saliva, et all can operate. Ergo, no immune response prior to the
          virus succesfully contacting and thence pentrating the unprotected
          tissue of the sinuses and lungs….delightful thought, No?

          The ‘rub’ here is that a typical home wherein the interior is
          held to 72 degree’s while the exterior temperature is below 15
          has an actual humidity therein of about the same level of
          humifdification as ‘Death Valley’ in summer…look it up.

          Friend, I’VE lived the sinus game since being a child, I
          know whereof I speak! Get one of those larger, Wal-Mart whole-
          house units for about 70 dollars. Here’s a shocker: That unit
          WILL go through 6-8 GALLONS a day! (Depending on the region you
          inhabit (how cold the average exteranal temperature is) relative.
          REMEMBER: it IS Relative humidity that is always quoted…
          DOH!!….relative to WHAT?….t e m p e r a t u r e….. 🙂


          • very good advice regarding keeping the humidity up in the winter time

            here’s some more solid advice for those of us with sinus problems


            I used to make multiple trips to the MD every winter with sinus infections

            keep the humidity up in your house to at least 40% or so
            too much higher and you will feel cold all the time
            40-45% seems about right for me

            also follow the advice on the Armageddon Medicine site
            it has worked great for me

          • Possible Duplication here…seems the first didn’t go…

            Footnote:For everyone else here, YES, THIS MEANS YOU TOO:

            Echinacea will not save you,

            Elderberry wine will not save you,

            in fact,

            YOU WILL NOT BE Saved!!!!


            …this concludes my yearly Flu rant-at-hand, you may
            now proceed safely to your chosen destinations or other
            se;ected port-of-call at your conveniance.
            Thank You for flying JOG Airways, Aloha!!!!

            JOG 🙂

          • JustOneGuy. I have told people the same about relative humidity. The lower the temperature the less water vapor that can be held in the air. I know when the temperature goes below 0F the snow falling not going to be that much in terms of water content, dry powder. What people don’t realize with humidity is that everytime someone opens the door or air from the outside gets in from very cold weather, that air is then warmed up inside. Relative humidity can drop to below 10%.

            The difference with air volume at room temperature and freezing outside is like the difference between trying to fill up a quart size bottle with a medium shot glass of water. Relative humidity is the amount of precentage that a full volume of air, or a bottle can hold. Say 1 or 2 oz. of water to a 32 oz. glass jar, this would 6.25% for 2 oz and 3.1% for 1 oz. The colder the air is the more severe this becomes. The more drafty and lack of insulation a home has the more that humidifier is going to be needed. Besides all this more moist air means the air feels warmer and will save on the fuel bill. Many people enjoy 64-66 degrees F with at least 65% relative humidity.

            Again, you bring up a valuable tip that will aid many in feeling better. This is something that Jo(k)e(r) in NC fails again and again to see, all the really good that for people with basic living your life a little bit better and easier that so many contribute to SHTF.

            • I disagree. I feel that a home must have some ventilation. In a tight home many pollutants can concentrate due to chemicals given off by all the artificial furnishings and cookware we use. I leave 2 windows open about a half inch on opposite sides of my house. Furthermore humidifiers themselves can cause bacteria buildup because NOBODY cleans them regularly

              • @ Scott. Sorry I did not clarify, I was only explaining why humidity goes down so far in the house during the cold months. I also think that ventilation is very important, especially for carbon monoxide build up from various sources. I have seen these super insulated homes and a lot of the time people get headaches from lack of circulation of air. Humidifiers can be made a lot safer for breathing by adding a little bleach into the water reserviours. I just am such a science person that I enjoy explaining why needs work they way they do, as few people understand relative humidity and volumes of air.

              • Hi Scott,

                Possible duplication here, first post again did not SEEM to make it in…

                You Sir are Correct…provisionally.

                More than a decade ago some several people in the Churchill area of Canada conceived the notion to build thermally super-efficient housing such that they would lower the extreme cost of heating during the incredibly cold winters they experiance (Northen Hudson Bay, Polar Bear territory…the Polar Bear TOURS you see on NatGeo),thereafter a curious thing happened: People began becomming sick with a huge variety of respiratory and other symptoms (migraines) which did not initially seem to be interconnected…they were.

                Subsequent analysis by the Canadian dept. of Health and the thier equivalent of OSHA (If memory serves here) yeilded that the air quality in the homes so constructed was utterly horrible. THESE homes had been constructed to be nearly airtight, with typical R-vaules ranging into the hundreds…ceilings, floors and walls. The various agency’s involved concluded that the conjunction of a air-tight (nearly submarine grade)) structure and the presence of the urethane-based insulating material was a wicked combination.

                The upshot here is that Satori IS right about ventilation…it is ESSENTIAL to keep a volume of new, fresh air circulant through any Human living space at all times. This is not to say that super-insulation is a failed concept, only that it must be done with that as a consideration. To wit:, several manufactures have over time produced a dual inline heat transfer apparatus which takes the outside air and draws it into the home whilst exhausting interior air all the while transfering heat energy (like a heat pump does, but passively) to offest the thermal losses so entailed.

                A point of contention here gentlemen I will take up up with you all is this: I have found it much more prophylactic, broadly, to acheive to a nominal humidity in th home of around 50% or slightly higher…this seems to interdict influenza most effectively…below that figure not so much so. Bear in mind that one (ordinarily) will spend a given fraction of thier waking hours OUTSIDE thier residence. IF the mucosa are being barely maintained in a hydrated state therein and during then what happens when one is absent the home for some several hours in otherwise non-regulated environs? Eh?

                Lastly, Satori, you mention the point of bacterial growth…correct again. At every Wal-MArt in the Land you may obtain a bottle of clear, bateriocidal additive which alleviates the problem; I beleive that same is constitutionally based on a compound of Ammonmium Chloride. If you elect to do any such look at the label to check therefor…I beleieve that memory does serve me here adequately. It is also possible to add a small amount of Borax to the lower ‘tank’ which has for me served much the same purpose since compounds of Borax have the effect of being bacterio-static; the presencre of the boron prevents the latent bacteria from being able to execute cell division since boron strongly intergeres with protein production…the cell about to divide cannot produce a sufficient quntity of cellular integumnet – “skin” – to allow for the division to occur whilst the external membrane is so saturated. Using the Borax you WILL go through filters at a higher rate as it does condense, precipitate out against the filter surfaces, clogging them more rapidly. One final thought here; it is possible with most of the open-weave type hydration ‘wicks’ to both clean the apparatus (and wick) with simple Bleach weekly (more often that that degrades the filter material it seems, ir is cellulose after all.)

                True Influenze is a truly miserable experiance; this we all know and that is aside from the potentially lethal consequences which have manifeted in various histortical outbreaks in the past…early 1900’s, “Spanish Influenza”….65 Million fead world-wide in 24 months…horrifying.

                Hope this helps to clarify nmatters at hand Gents (and all others here) and Ladies also (always) 😉


                • OOPS,

                  At several points I reference ‘Satroi’ in the preceding missive: Incorrect, aimed at Scott…I just have ‘Satori of the Brain’ today…Apologies thereto…..

      80. I am very disturbed as I read some comments….WE do not KNOW what is coming, and attempting to project possibilities, we fall into the category of “scattered”…..when you know not the how, when, what, or where (we are aware of the “why”) we cannot KNOW which direction in which to go, in order to be in command of any situation….individually…..and as a group. When you become so fearful of what MIGHT happen, and attempt to sort it all out, you are not paying attention to what IS happening…..PAY attention to what is going on around you where you are as well…..please do not merely rely on “second-hand” information….I have noticed, at times, that some posters kinda go back and forth so that I find their positions to be quite unclear….and that, too, may be for a reason……In these trying times, we must be ever clear headed and vigilent as it is very evident to me that sites such as this are monitored and infiltrated quite often….I will get off my lil soapbox now….
        Be Well and May God Bless US all….

        • @FOB
          They are going to try and kill us all. All other points are mute.

          • slingshot….I do not think any point is moot at this time….we all have questions….answers are what we are short on…

        • Paying attention to what is going on in your area is paramount.

      81. Well thats just great, when I was a young paratrooper I recall nothing being as wonderfully useless and anoying as a cherry LT. So now your saying they only come in sociopath or psycho, just perfect as if a butterbar with all the piss and vinegar from Westpoint wasnt enough to bend your dogtags the wrong way now you got to stop them shooting you.Great just great….

        • Has WP produced anything good since R. E. LEE?

      82. CHINESE MAFIA BUYS UP AMERIkA with Billions of worthless $$$ U.S. Fiat Dollars for pennies on the dollar !!!

        As China’s new leaders intensify a campaign to root out corruption, thousands of Communist party officials have been panicked into a fire sale of their illicit properties while billions of pounds have been smuggled overseas.

        It said the volume of deals had intensified by “a hundred times” after Xi Jinping, the incoming Chinese president, warned that corruption could kill the Party and put one of the country’s most vigorous and resolute politicians, Wang Qishan, in charge of stamping out graft.

        It also claimed that an astonishing $1 trillion (£630 billion), equivalent to 40 per cent of Britain’s annual GDP, had been smuggled out of China illegally in 2012.

        Marco Pearman-Parish at Corporation China, a company in Beijing that helps clients find properties abroad, said there had been a strong rise in clients looking for homes in the Cayman Islands.

        In the United States, the National Association of Realtors said that more than $7 billion of properties had been bought by Chinese in the US last year. Some high-end homes are now specifically built for rich Chinese with ponds for koi carp and a second kitchen for pungent cooking.

        I guess word has gone out globally that the U.S. is open for business as far as the global criminal class is concerned. They can rest assured knowing they will never face repercussions in this lawless land. At least that is what they think. What we must do is never forget who is buying all of these properties and when the time comes they should all be seized and these crooks sent back to the place they came from.

        AMERIKA IS SO …

        ~N.O. ;0p

      83. RANGEL: ‘Some of Southern Areas Have Cultures We Have to Overcome’… On Drudge.

        Another Black Leader For Gun Control.

        Sorry Charlie. Not going to change for you or any of you other bastards.

        • Yeah, keep it up Charlie Reprobate and Upchuckie Shyster poor mouthing us southerners…

          They got their military and leo’s that are dupes and will follow orders. We’ve got 100’s of thousands of good ole boys around the country pretty handy with their 30-06’s, .270’s and .308’s. Can you imagine an army moving into a theatre of operation with thousands of guerilla snipers in the bushes! Everybody wants m4’s. I’d rather take’em out at 400 yds+.

          • I hope it doesnt come to that.

        • Come on down charlie…your last”dear leader” thought he could overcome freedom loving folks at the point of a bayonet….lets see what your messiahs got…ding! round two!

      84. Y’all Beware, thank you for that post; that is like a breath of fresh air. BI, sorry to hear you were sick but glad to see you recovering. keep that earthquake info coming and also appreciate your attack on JoeinNC; wish he could be barred from this site. BJ and Common Sense, I agree with both of your posts in #1057743 and #1058535 respectively. I have relatives in GA who used to be LEOs and were put out because they didn’t “get with the program”. When they saw what was in the program, they said “no way, I’ll never go against the people.” They’ve even told me themselves, “Never trust a cop.” Straight from the horse’s mouth. Now that speaks volumes! NCClyde, everything you said in #1057855 is true and let me expand on that. Ever since 911 and the creation of DHS, local, country, and state LE agencies have received billions of our tax dollars in federal grants to militarize all civilian LE in this country. I can still remember when civilian LE’s mentality was totally different from the federals’ mentality. now it’s the same all over the country. With the federal grants came certain strings attached, especially the one called, “Now we’ll teach you how to do the job OUR way.” The curriculum in all the academies was changed over to the same federal curriculum used in all their academies going back even before the FBI was created. Now they’re ALL mindless robots just like the military. If all the agencies in your area have been receiving federal grants, you might as well write them off. I’ve always suspected it will be a combination of feds, state, local, Obama supporters including gangbangers, and foreign troops who will attempt gun confiscation. Anyone who forces their way into my home, i don’t care what you’re wearing, I will open fire on you with my M1Carbine and YES, the .30 rounds will come from a high-capacity magazine, so don’t even think about it! braveheart

        • @ braveheart. I truly try to be fair to everyone, and when JoeinNC actually said something that made some sense about the military being a reflection of the larger society which it gets its members. I said maybe this character was going to at least not be a total jerk and contribute. Then right below this JO(K)E(R) he becomes and says the atypical abusive crap to the people here. Joker in NC puts everyone into some category on this site, and does this in a lunatic type of fashion.

          Each day Mac tries to find articles that are of interest to people, and almost everyday if that article has anything to do with self defense, jo(k)e(r) in NC attacks it vicously. This is an opinion, but the way joker in NC does it is way beyond what is right. There are a lot of people on this site just trying to prepare and make ready their families to survive the best they can. Joker in NC classifies these people as wanna be killers. There are people that don’t even comment that would like to, often that have wonderful ideas on preparation, and don’t because of these contaminants like jo(k)e(r) that make them uneasy about leaving a comment.

          These trolls that attack, at least if they could present an intelligent counter agrument people could debate it and others could enjoy the thought process. When jo(k)e (r) comes on and says something like everybody is stroking their firearms and having sex while doing so, this is something reserved for facebook or some porn site. The seriousness of what is happening means that we all have to prepare as much as possible, and parasites like jo(k)e(r) are very counterproductive to this.

          I don’t know what should be done about jo(k)e(r) in NC other than to lambast the idiot until IT figures out that there are a hell of a lot of good decent people that want to discuss very important issues, and maybe start to contribute something. People spending their free time to add to the site and all our well beings. If not, then I and others need to refer this psycho as the Jo(k)e(r) in NC that is the next likely candidate to be on the news as the nut that acted on his shear hatred and angry. Put him into the category at which he is acting, like a true psycho, the Joker in NC.

        • braveheart – in other words, “Serve & Protect” has become “Search & Destroy.”

      85. Obama lets Chinese own U.S. energy resources The Obama administration is quietly allowing China to acquire major ownership interests in oil and natural gas resources across the U.S.

        The decision to allow China to compete for U.S. oil and natural gas resources appears to stem from a need to keep Beijing economically interested in lending to the U.S. The Obama administration has run $1-trillion-plus annual federal budget deficits since taking office that likely will continue in the second term.

        • This is what youre gonna get each and every time a black man is in charge.

      86. The initial greater threat to the government will not be from the suburban poodles, nor the rural hounds, but from the inner city pit bull class. It is HERE that the full force of militarization will be used. The use and level of force and authoritarianism will not be ‘democratically’ and equally distributed either. Ironically, white Americans are greatly over estimating the impact of martial law and non-white Americans are horrifically underestimating it. It is a great error to predicate analysis of the forces utilized and their direction based upon the skin color of the ‘Sock Puppet In Chief’. The government will have two primary agendas, 1) security and containment, and 2) relieving itself of the economic and social burden of ‘useless eaters’. Guess who’s coming to dinner, at Satan’s table?

        • Great Error? Not when the sock pupet in Chief is a Black antiwhite hood from the Hood, and his desires to go down in history as the 1st black prez who single handedly finished off the greatest white nation to ever exist.

          Is Only outdone by his sheboon wifes Hatred of white folks and america.

          What do you think his “coded” speech means when the words “It is OUR time now”…Meant to all the fellow travler kommie marxist trained blacks cheering him on?

          They been threatening to kill off whites and burn down america entirely for 40+ yrs now…And They think Hobammy IS their Messiah man to lead it all.

          Just like Newsweek magaz’s newest Cover photo of Him with his chin stuck out in his arrogant side profile, with the caption under photo of..”The Second Comming”

          He IS most african blacks messiah bigNig they awaited on so long!

          Too bad for them but I rekon many tens of Millions of patriot whiteys aint allowing his fantasys to be reality.

          Hobammys former pastor Wright in chicago’s church may hold just 8000 persons, but that pastor wrights messg/speech when he Boasted that Hobammy IS the True Mesiah as predicted to come in the bible.

          It wasn’t Just that 8000 crazed to a Frenzy blacks who Heard his messg…Pastor wrights, hobammy IS Your black Jesus mesiah, was also heard AND BELIEVED by 50 Million More blacks nationwide.

          ESPECIALLY! Them “YOOOTS” in da Hoods!…They are already doing massive chimpouts on innocent whites folks all across america since nearly a Year ago last April 2012.

          MSM refuses to report it is why most folks aint aware of this yet unless they go Online for “news” and Videos of Mass chimpouts.

          They cannot wait! already got started a year ago!…Wait till their african black mesiah jesus boy Arms them Yoooots like he did Mexican Dope Cartels!

          WITH GUNS CONFISCATED From Whiteys!

          So yeah ok we better not judge nothing based on his skin color eh…Hows about we judge based upon his warped Typical Black mentality and LOW IQ avg’s?

        • JW Jr – Not sure if I agree with that, the inner cities is where the 0bama regime has it’s most ardent supporters. I am sure they will come after us country folk way before they start taking out their best base of support.

      87. Blazing Saddles Obama ;0P (sarc vid)

        NWO UN ZOG CIA COMMIE Snake Oil Sales Man of the Year illegal alien from Kenya british citizen Puppet Prez Barry Soetoro aka Obama … meets the foolish gullible ignorant mislead American Whitey main street Americana .

      88. obama wants to take away rifles from americans, yet is arming some of the vilest of our enemies with some of our most sophisticated weapons we have . what’s up with that?

        • Liberalism at its finest.

          • Dual Citizen talmudic brainwashing from his advisor staff?

            Jewsih publication Foreward(theres that word…”Forward” again eh!) the Largest jewsih publication in the usa, recently Praised hobammy as the #1 best pres Ever for handing over so much Xtra Massive cash sums and weaponery to their pals in Isreal.

            And providing the best ever prez support of their jewsih agendas!…The article was several weeks back from today.

            So yeah it seems He is arming others as you wrote of eh.

            Plus all them USA Taxper funded Full Auto M-16’s etc going to Arm Private isreali jewsih citizens there, while trying to Disarm the very Same usa Taxpeyers Here!!!

            Why don’t Fox/Hannity and Orielly report That info to raise awarness?…Or Rush radio?…Hmmmmm…

            • Hebrews are hideous beasts.

              • I knew from your name you’re a nazi.

                • NAZI is an acronym which stands for national socialist workers party. Im not a nationalist or a socialist, although I do support labor unions. Dollars, dont be mad. I love other people. Accept a peace hug?

      89. Can’t see why not, it’s drummed into them from day 1 to follow orders. The only time they would question that judgement is if endangers their own lives.

        Saddle up, Lock and Load

      90. Tomorrow Obama will probably put Colin Powell front and center charged with the task of discrediting this claim. How is it that Colin Powell is viewed as legitimate or credible? He told us all, with a straight face that Iraq had WMD’s. The looney tune liberals excoriate G.W. Bush and give Powell a heroes welcome. We have been dumbed down beyond comprehension or recognition.

        • Colin powel was supposed to be a lifetime Repub conservative…Yet I saw him Admit on TV news show that he voted for hobammy to get a Black in the whitehouse since he just could’nt pass up so historical a moment!

          That was his First election of 2008! Then again Colin voted hobammy second term!…Now colin is spewing Race rhetoric on how still whites are Raysssiisss!

          A swell question for Phony patroit powel. is what if the first black running for prez of usa admited he was SATAN for Real?…Would colin Still vote for satan as long as he was black since it be so Historical to elect the fuckin Devil?! as long as devil is black of course!

          Just another in a long list, and growing weekly, of LIARS and FAKE patriotic citizens.

          Wanna bet hobammy appoints powel to Very High position soon?…Then he can go Lie more at UN to get us into another phony war for jew intrests.

          I got to admit it..Powel did have me totally convinced he was the Real Deal and would never lie being above lies etc!….I do admit powel fooled me royally. No longer though. Another Klinton kommie is he.

      91. Something is going on at the Nazca plate as they just had an earthquake on the southwest corner of it where this plate is at a junction point with the Antarctic and Pacific plate are. Several earthquakes on the eastern portion of the plate. There seems to be a focused area between 20 degrees south and 10 degrees north that is going through some type of build up. This would be northern Chile/Bolivia/Peru border to northern Columbia. Please check the map on the USGS site or other seismic sites to see this visually.

        Could be a type of inhaling process of the crust, but recent polar and other quakes show South America as one of the areas likely to get hit. Going to watch this closely as all the recent earthquake activity on plate boundaries indicate something big is coming.

        • Thanks BI.. were watching

      92. @ JustOneGuy. Here’s an article that is right up your alley. A gamma ray pulse or some super flare could destroy civilization like is described in the article and could have happened to a lesser degree about 1240 years ago, and of course could happen again. A true SHTF for everyone.

        • Howdy BI,

          Many Thanks for the read, this MAY be duplicated over at Business insider, wherein they mention an event that took place circa AD `752 and is noted in tree rings growth to this time…apparantly a huge event by thier accounting.

      93. I’m tired of reading about this story. Has anyone researched this guy?

      94. The way most people are saying how they would respond when faced with confiscation sounds similiar to the Maginot Line. They are focusing on one main aspect and ignoring the others.

        If the goal is confiscation, why would they start with going door to door at say 6:30pm when your home after you had a nice meal with their lights and sirens on their blue armored UN vehicles and blackhawk attack helicopters?

        Wouldn’t they follow their normal ‘progressive’ tactics?

        Local and private gun buy backs, propaganda, some more registration in the big cities, more laws, more propaganda, then registration in the suburbs, propaganda, federal buy backs, tax credits, propaganda, taxation, more laws, a big federal buy back last chance, propaganda, food and cigarettes for clunkers and ammo. more taxes, propaganda, more licensing registration laws, mandatory buy back, more taxes.

        Teenagers drugged up on SSRI’s SNRI’s and whatever new crap the can patent and sneak through the FDA going psycho all along.

        Expansion of the sneak and peak warrant-less searches collecting all firearm paraphernalia.

        Agitating and harassing with a special interest in the extreme elements in-order to bait them (helped by social media and internet instigators) into a response which they would then call for a retaliatory confiscation.

        All they one need would be one instance where a ‘prepper (who ran a large prepper website advocating the overthrowing of the federal government) with illegal assault weapons, high capacity magazines and thousands of rounds of (22lr) ammo’ got into a fire fight when local police tried to serve a warrant for parking tickets. Then they could initiate operation ’round up’.

        But why do that right away, Bo can and will use the gun thing for political advantage, milking it for all he can for years.
        He doesn’t have to worry about a thing until the last year of his term or if he gets into really hot water before then.
        Why would he use his so called Ace card now?

        • Because 50 million folks Wont hand over guns even after all tactics you wrote! Why would you need be told that?

          • BUT the FIRST 50 MILLION folks WILL hand over their guns, why would you need to be told that?

      95. The way most people are saying how they would respond when faced with confiscation sounds similar to the Maginot Line. People are focusing on one aspect and ignore the others.

        If the goal is confiscation, why would they start with going door to door at say 6:30pm when your home after you had a nice meal with their lights and sirens on their blue armored UN vehicles and blackhawk attack helicopters?

        Wouldn’t they follow their normal ‘progressive’ tactics? :

        Local and private gun buy backs, propaganda, some more registration in the big cities, more laws, more propaganda, then registration in the suburbs, propaganda, federal buy backs, tax credits, propaganda, taxation, more laws, a big federal buy back last chance, propaganda, food and cigarettes for clunkers and ammo. more taxes, propaganda, more licensing registration laws, mandatory buy back, more taxes.

        Teenagers drugged up on SSRI’s SNRI’s and whatever new crap the can patent and sneak through the FDA going psycho all along.

        Expansion of the sneak and peak warrant-less searches collecting all firearm paraphernalia.

        Agitating and harassing with a special interest in the extreme elements in-order to bait them (helped by social media and internet instigators) into a response which they would then call for a retaliatory confiscation.

        All they one need would be one instance where a ‘prepper (who ran a large prepper website advocating the overthrowing of the federal government) with illegal assault weapons, high capacity magazines and thousands of rounds of (22lr) ammo’ got into a fire fight when local police tried to serve a warrant for parking tickets. Then they could initiate operation ’round up’.

        But why do that right away, Bo can and will use the gun thing for political advantage, milking it for all he can for years.
        He doesn’t have to worry about a thing until the last year of his term or if he gets into really hot water before then.
        Why would he use his so called Ace card now?

      96. “Operation Garden Plot” is a U.S. Government document released through the Freedom Of Information Act. If you are ex-military of just a concerned citizen, then you really need to read it and pass it on. These are their plans, laid out in full detail. You can find it on several conservative websites, the most popular being Or you can Google it.

      97. The billions shift from side to side
        And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
        For the love of god and our human rights
        And all these things are swept aside
        By bloody hands time can’t deny
        And are washed away by your genocide
        And history hides the lies of our civil wars

        • Great song, one of the best by G-n-R.

      98. If and when this comes to pass, and I feel it will in some form or another,things will get really nasty really quick! For those that have been there they know…for the ones that have been reading your columns, they should know, and for the rest a severe nightmare. It is not going to be a little insurrection and then go home, to do it again the next day. It is going to be a non stop nightmare, with lots of blood in the streets and elsewhere…..I think obamdinejad and his trolls know this and don’t care, they will initially be too well insulated, but at some point, they will have to face the reality of what is going on. Then maybe, perhaps, we will get real change that will benefit we the people. This is what gun control/gun confiscation and dependence on the “gummint” is all; about: Control! If we are totally dependent on the gummint like so many are these days, control will be easy. Remove the means to resist, remove the desire to resist and remove the reasons to
        resist, and you own the population until they see the real agenda…..

      99. A company has developed a white board about 1/4″ thick that can stop multiple rounds of gun fire, It floats, is light weight, you can even write on it with the eraseable markers, like a teaching tool board.

        sure would like a few dozen for my windows at home..
        its not yet on the market, but they are thnking it could be used in classrooms ( schools) as a possible defense against shooters, its hand held.

        • Arent you going to tell us who the company is?

          • Um..didnt you watch and listen? its in the video..i cant chew your food for you either

            • I need to apologise Eisenkreutz, that was uncalled for, the video probably hadnt moderated by the time you read that…Im under a lot of stress due to some buisness issues, no excuse..

              I am researching this product and have contacted them, I hope to hear back soon, and will fill this forum in on cost and such when i hear back from them

              please excuse my curt reply

              • Dont mention it. Thank you for reporting to us on this item. I can think of a few uses for it.

              • Shoot, VFR–if I was a teacher, this would not cover my body—heart area, yes, but when the shooter gets my legs, I’m done for.
                Give me a full 4 X 6 piece and I’m happy!!

                • I hear ya bud, I think it might have been just for demonstration purposes? maybe?

                  that is definetly on my list of questions when I talk with them..available sizes, and cost..lets face it..cost is a big issue in this economy, I know it sucks to put a price on protection, but its a reality

                  I want a dozen of them 35″X64″ for my windows
                  and a few just to have them laying around, guess I will see when they get back to me

                  I will bring this back up as a stand alone post, or ask mac to post it

      100. In local gun shop/firing range yesterday. Owner said her CCW classes are booked fully up through April!

        “The Sleeper has awakened!” Paul Atreides

        • Once upon a time not so long ago…A small tree monky was walking thru the Northern woods areas…The curious small tree monky, spotted what looked like a covered opening in some downed tree brush.

          Being a typical curious small tree monky, the small monky decided to have a closer look see!

          As the small monkyboy got closer he noticed it was what appeared to be a Giant Sleeping Grizly Bear! Asleep inside his den.

          The small tree monky got filled by fear, and climbed into a nearby tree to think on it awhile.

          After an hour or so and a nice lunch of bananas and coconut milk, the small monkyboy again approached the still sleeping Huge Massive Griz bear!

          His small monky mind went into overdrive as he thought, if only he can Disarm the Massive Huge Griz Bear by removing the Grizly bears Claws, which the monkyboy knew griz bears use as Weapons!

          Scrambling around the Griz den, the small tree monkyboy found a stick! a Very Sharp stick!…The small monkyboy knew then and there his plan can be fullfilled to Disarm the Griz Bears Claw Weapons!

          All the monkyboy had to do now was……Poke that Asleep Griz Bear! Then grab his claw weapons and Rip em outta the bears Paws!…It worked! The small monky boy wonder was able with one great Poke of his sharp, Very sharp Stick, to awaken the formerly asleep Huge Giant Massive Grizzley Bear!

          The small tree monkyboy reached out to grab the Bears Massive paws which contained his Weapons of choise! them damn Claws!

          A Very Loud Mean spirited Bear Growl was heard for Miles and Miles away!

          And all nearby towns folks knew in an instant!

          That that small tree monkyboy would never again be seen nor heard from again…

          After a very nice and satisfying Lunch of Dark Monky Meat that Massive grizly Bear went back to sleep again, with all ten claw weapons still intact!

      101. some quotes of the day from the Burning Platform

        ““The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

        “Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

        “History offers no guarantees. If America plunges into an era of depression or violence which by then has not lifted, we will likely look back on the 1990s as the decade when we valued all the wrong things and made all the wrong choices.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

        “The seasons of time offer no guarantees. For modern societies, no less than for all forms of life, transformative change is discontinuous. For what seems an eternity, history goes nowhere – and then it suddenly flings us forward across some vast chaos that defies any mortal effort to plan our way there. The Fourth Turning will try our souls – and the saecular rhythm tells us that much will depend on how we face up to that trial. The saeculum does not reveal whether the story will have a happy ending, but it does tell us how and when our choices will make a difference.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

        “Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning the way you might today distance yourself from news, national politics, or even taxes you don’t feel like paying. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted. The Fourth Turning necessitates the death and rebirth of the social order. It is the ultimate rite of passage for an entire people, requiring a luminal state of sheer chaos whose nature and duration no one can predict in advance.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

        “The risk of catastrophe will be very high. The nation could erupt into insurrection or civil violence, crack up geographically, or succumb to authoritarian rule. If there is a war, it is likely to be one of maximum risk and effort – in other words, a total war. Every Fourth Turning has registered an upward ratchet in the technology of destruction, and in mankind’s willingness to use it.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

        “History offers no guarantees. Obviously, things could go horribly wrong – the possibilities ranging from a nuclear exchange to incurable plagues, from terrorist anarchy to high-tech dictatorship. We should not assume that Providence will always exempt our nation from the irreversible tragedies that have overtaken so many others: not just temporary hardship, but debasement and total ruin. Losing in the next Fourth Turning could mean something incomparably worse. It could mean a lasting defeat from which our national innocence – perhaps even our nation – might never recover.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

        this one bears repeating

        ““The risk of catastrophe will be very high. The nation could erupt into insurrection or civil violence, crack up geographically, or succumb to authoritarian rule. If there is a war, it is likely to be one of maximum risk and effort – in other words, a total war. Every Fourth Turning has registered an upward ratchet in the technology of destruction, and in mankind’s willingness to use it.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

      102. a quote from the Fourth Turning

        ““The risk of catastrophe will be very high. The nation could erupt into insurrection or civil violence, crack up geographically, or succumb to authoritarian rule. If there is a war, it is likely to be one of maximum risk and effort – in other words, a total war. Every Fourth Turning has registered an upward ratchet in the technology of destruction, and in mankind’s willingness to use it.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

      103. The fix is beyond the ballot box. Semper Fi. III

      104. Look I feel that we all know what is coming from this government that we have now, NO GOOD that is for sure. We can spend every day on this site or sites like it saying this and saying that, all the while they are getting more of their ducks in a row. These bastards are not DUMB; they know 95%+ of our talk is just that, HOT AIR.
        So I say why we are giving them all the time they need to set us up for their total take over and striping our FREEDOMS; WHY, are we letting them get by with it, WHY. Is it because we’re SCARED, you DAMN RIGHT I’M SCARED, but I’ll take it to them. We see that talking, voting, polls or whatever doesn’t work, it will have to be PHYSICAL in their face move.
        If we don’t start the reversal in the next 3 months we just might as well roll over and DIE. We have to do it NOW.
        Someone out there has got to stand up and take the lead (there must be another General Washington out there some place), and say enough is enough. I’m not a leader, but I’m DAMN sure I will follow and give my all and if that is dying so be.
        If I am talking about a governmental over throw so be, because we all know that is what it is going to take to keep our FREEDOM. We must act now or we deserve everything that is truly coming our way.
        Agree or disagree all you want, but deep down inside you all know I’m RIGHT!

        STAND TALL IN FREEDOM or lay down and curl up into a ball and whine. THE CHOICE IS YOURS TO MAKE!

        Pale Rider

        • Total agreement from me.

          Standing together is the only way. The only way. Said it before and saying it again.

          However, with most websites like this one, and prepper and militia groups infiltrated by government spies, informants, etc., it will be extremely difficult to get organized into any meaningful resistance. Folks, I’m up for suggestions. If there are any ideas out there, now is the time to make them known.

          It’s a common goal we all have, to remain free, and that goal is regardless of race, religon, political leanings, whatever. Put all that shit aside. Forget about the damn thumbs up or down for now. Set aside the petty disagreements and differences.

          Palerider, whether you want to admit it or not, is 100% correct in his assessment. Everyone is scared. Hell, I’m scared, but not letting the fear get over on me. I’m doing things everyday to get ready, stocking, planning, repairing, improvising, whatever. Keeps me sane.

          I’ve already made my intentions known with my very first post. I will not lie down, I will not become a slave. If it comes to dying, I’ll do so on my feet.

          • Fear….Of The LORD is the Begining of…Wisdom.

            Knowledge without wisdom is usless.

            Here is the Patience and Faith of the saints.

            3 month left?…Or Haste makes Waste?

            Read Edwin Vieras massive 2200+ pages several volums book on STATE Legislated Revived Militias, with state Govners as Head of it…The Only legit us const method of forming militias and Remaining legit and Etheicly Moral.

            Also the ONLY true solution as per the Tenth ammendt, and the us const Militia clauses etc.

            Edwin Viera also has an exallant shorter version yet still in depth info on this militai issue at newswithviews website…..Click on His name at Left colume of authors…..Look for several part(aprox 20 parts +) article on legit milita to Save america!

            Regardless what you think you know of militias etc You Will Learn alot more from him!…Read of his many degrees and success’s at us supreme ct Wins(12-13 so far!)…Very smart man. Very!

          • KySSG: Thx, you understand. We need to call their bluff some how.

            Yes I’m an old combat vet, who has seen death up close, and it is not pretty, I still wake up at night in a cold sweat.
            I’m like you I just keep getting ready.

            Oh Hell if BI is right and I think he is, a major quake in the U S and it’s all over anyway.

            Pale Rider

      105. Did anyone see or hear about the 34 miners that were killed & over so injured by police in South Africa last year August. Well over 900 spent 5.56 nato cartriges were found (it was a turkey shoot) the answer is you bet your army will shoot on you

      106. Pale Rider, i understand your feelings and frustrations, but if any one of us make the first move, we will be labeled the agressors and will only reinforce the federal propaganda about “domestic terrorism”. The feds make it clear every day through certain actions and words what kind of intentions they have toward the American people. I do intend to fight, but LET THE FEDS MAKE THE FIRST MOVE; LET THEM ATTACK AND THEN WE CAN RESPOND IN RIGHTEOUS SELF-DEFENSE! Let them make the first move, then we can take the fight to them and have legitimate basis for doing so. Braveheart

        • Braveheart: I agree make them shoot first, but if we do not press them to do that now, when they finely do they will have all their shit together, and we are one’s and two’s, maybe a small group. I guess what I’m trying to say is band together peaceful now, but armed and make them come to us before they are ready to. Just like at the start of the first one, make them get physical first.
          Then we can take it to them righteously, with our heads held high.
          Pale Rider

        • Kalifornication needs to be boycotted, isolated and quarantined to prevent it’s infection from spreading.

      107. I just wanted to finally post something here…Thank you so much for all the postings. EVERY SINGLE one of you. I’m a new daily visitor but informed via other sources. Our house feels alone most of the time where we live and work. It’s tough. We’re not as prepped as some but better than most of the people around here. Reading all this helps me feel that we’re doing the right thing on a limited budget.

        May you all be safe and post-on!

        • Welcome!!!!

          • Thanks Daisy!!

            I’ll try to keep up…

        • @ FeelsAlone,

          Be Welcome in this place…Though it feels so all too often, WE are never alone…many are on the path with us at all times…Welcome Friend and Well-Met.


      108. During the,”Great War,” there was a saying by the public that they were LIONS LED BY DONKEYS,hopefully the public leadership that arises during the upcoming strife, will rather be Lions than Donkeys
        I am English but I, like many of my countrymen, are jealous of your Constitution, which is why we are subjects and not citizens.

      109. Anyone on here take the “RACS” seminar class?
        Realistic Advanced Combatives Seminar

        Its put on by Dave Spaulding, the 2010 Law Officer Trainer of The Year

        RACS gives you essential training to develop the cognitive and psychomotor skills necessary to emerge victorious in a violent, life-threatening encounter.

        along with my other past training, Im enrolled in this class for this year, looking for others who have taken it

      110. Sounds more like a POLICE STATE rather than MARTIAL LAW


        Here are some good numbers I think many of you need to take a look at.

        And look here, watch this about the Bonus Army of 1932…..and some of you think that the F’ing military in 2013 won’t fire on American’s…are you F’ing out of your mind? And the rest of you think the revolt of Patriots would be successful in 2013….agaion look at what happened in this video in 1932 when times were different and not near as vile, evil and peoople had a hell of a lot more morals….you too are out of your F’ing mind!

      112. When you enlist in any branch of the U.S. armed forces, you swear an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. you are a traitor if you do otherwise.

      113. See: Tiananmen Square.

        The theory going through their minds would probably be that if it effectively quelled the protests in China to be absolutely ruthless, it will work everywhere. But different peoples, different cultures, different behavior. Would be a fucking catastrophe. LA protests would seem tame. White House and CFR thinkers, however evil, have not shown to be this retarded. I think this is either spite for the 2009 nobel peace prize, or a hack… the latter seems like the most simple answer. So I’m leaning towards that, out of «Occam’s razor» thinking…

      114. They DON’T have enough people to enforce Squat!

        • But pretty simple to control through fear. Take out one and control ten others. Look at German politics in the 30’s and 40’s.

      115. There’s nothing like “fear mongering”.

      116. I seldom post on blogs, I’d rather be prepping and sharpening my skills for a time we hope never comes.

        But this discussion is dear to my heart.

        If you fear they will fire on us and many will, then do something about it! Most of us here know someone serving now, talk to them confront your fears, ask them point blank will you or won’t you? Be polite and remember eye contact.

        Everyone you see in uniform ask them where they stand? Many are young and have no clue that we are even having this discussion.

        Nearly every I see someone in the military I’ll have this discussion with them and when the opportunity arises I do the same with the Law Enforcement community.

        Don’t be key board warriors, confront these questions we have and do something about it. You need to take this conversation to all those you see.

        If you want to do more then get off the key boards and inspire those in uniform to stand with you, not against their fellow citizens, family and friends.

        What if you talked to five and just one got your message?

        You want to make a difference in this debate, do something about it!

      117. Ya’ll are so dumb. there’s about 1 million troops in the american military. Thats including your support personnel. Even if we were ten million strong the total population of the US is 315,210,035 according to google. Are yall that dumb to think that we would be able to do anything to the american public with any type of effiency? even if we went through city after city there wouldn’t be enough of us to realistically do shit.

        • You dont need to have that giant military. We cant afford it and youre using it to threaten our familys lives.

      118. This means nothing, because w/o the cooperation of all the colonels, majors & grunts, there can be no gun grabs or forced relocations of the heavily (now, very heavily) armed US public.

      119. I wonder what pysch tests of preppers would reveal . Many of them don’t strike me as the caring and sharing types when it comes to their emergency supplies .

      120. This We’ll Defend,

        Your all inclusive statement “Ya’ll are so dumb” might come across a little better as – Y’all are so dumb.

        Y’all Beware! Could not resist this one.


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      122. The liars in office must be fought on their own ground.
        All the military must say is they “will” fire on the people, then when the time comes- NOT!
        O is a liar- just be the same.

        • Yeah, but the problem is the leadership is responsible for training the new military and those coming into the military and getting trained new won’t know the difference between the lies and the truth if it is presented as the truth.

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