Report: Congress To Move Against Guns: “It Will Ban the Sale, the Transfer, the Importation and the Possession”

by | Dec 16, 2012 | Headline News | 722 comments

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    Amid heated debates about what to do in the aftermath of the Connecticut school shooting which took the lives of 20 children and six adults, Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) is prepared to take action on the first day Congress meets after their current break.

    Come January 1, 2013, Feinstein will introduce new legislation that would ban assault rifles similar to the bill she championed in California.

    “I’m going to introduce in the Senate, and the same bill will be introduced in the House — a bill to ban assault weapons,” Feinstein said on NBC’s Meet the Press.

    “It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession, not retroactively, but prospectively.”

    “The purpose of this bill is to get… weapons of war off the streets.”

    “Who needs these military-style assault weapons? Who needs an ammunition feeding device capable of holding 100 rounds?” Feinstein wrote on her campaign website.

    These weapons are not for hunting deer — they’re for hunting people.”

    In November, less than 24 hours after the re-election of President Barack Obama, rumors swirled that Feinstein was looking to bring back an assault rifle ban even more stringent than the one passed in Congress under President Bill Clinton.

    Though no specific details about the coming legislation have been released, according to earlier statements from Feinstein and individuals close to the situation, the ban would not only restrict access to certain rifles deemed as “assault rifles” but would eliminate grandfather protections altogether, meaning that ownership of such firearms would be illegal and subject to criminal prosecution.

    …sources tell me California Senator and longtime gun-hater Dianne Feinstein’s legal staff held meetings on Friday with FTB/ATF legal staff to discuss a new “Assault Weapons Ban” Madame Feinstein would be looking to push through Congress if President Obama wins reelection.

    This same “pretty good intelligence” says the items that would lead to a banwould ban pistol grips and “high-capacity” magazines, eliminate any grandfathering and ban sales of “weapons in possession”.

    It should be clear that Congress is now moving for a complete ban on the purchase and possession (even if you currently own them) of any guns deemed ‘assault weapons’ under the new legislation.


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      1. Zionists, like Bitch FEENstein should be banned, along with the SSRI’s she’s on.

        • You do realize that a ban on “assault rifles” is easier to push for (especially when accompanied by an emotional upheaval fueled by the press).

          After all, it beats having to get the budget back under control, and affords a lot of hand-waving to avoid the real problems facing our enterprise…

          • Hit the nail on the head. They needed a diversion and they got one. The fiscal cliff is nothing other than taking the blame from the bankster class. We could debate all day long, but it still comes down to how they have to destroy America and get the guns away from law abiding citizens.
            Take heed when you hear of the U.N. soldiers running freely here in America.
            Americans are on a collision course with the evil of this world!

            B Aware, B Awake, B Alive

            • Un small weapons Ban

              they’ll just have the UN collect those danerous guns

              wouldn’t that go just swell

              • Ladies and young people and older people please comment on this if you know 100 positive on this

                YOU dont have to give up your guns if they ask or stop by. All you have to do is say you sold them at a gun show. There is no way to track or ask what was the persons name(such selling one to a friend or a gunshop etc.) You get cash many times and that’s it if you don’t want to stand up(I wish you would though). I will never open the door and let them in. If they come in its illegal I believe for the ATF to ram in the door asking for a guncheck in your home. I could be wrong on this. Does anybody know this for sure? I know it takes a judge for a warrant, but im not sure if there is special powers to breakin to private property in your home. That is why do not open the door or even respond back.

                • Slightly off-topic – looking for advice:

                  I’m looking for a good edged-weapons dealer with a good reputation. I’ll only consider recommendations from folks I know and respect, so you know who you are… can you recommend anyone?

                  Thx in advance.

                • Sadly, they won’t follow any law currently on the books. They will follow the evil edicts of the satanic to take your guns and, quite frankly, your life. They won’t come for your guns…they will come for you. You need to understand that it will be wholesale slaughter once the UN troops and other foreign forces are unleashed in this country to “round up guns!” We are reaping what we have sewn.
                  Did you or I think to mourn for the 3000 infants slaughtered in the womb on Friday, December 14th? I didn’t think so. That question caught me off guard, too. It’s become so status quo, we no longer grieve daily for the loss of life due to abortion, in addition to all of the other wholesale slaughter that takes place everyday in this country. When you destroy the value of life, it permeates, distorts and mutates the way the nation values life. Hence, we have slaughter like we saw on Friday…and the incidences of this kind will proliferate as the days become increasingly evil!
                  Listen in:
                  BE A BLESSING!

                • At the rate our government is going, I don’t think the 4th amendment will save you from an unwarranted seizure or search. They’ll just barge in and take what they want. Our rights are being stripped and our puppets in Congress will do nothing to stop the lunatics from gutting our country. Every media outlet, even football (Costas’ comment a couple weeks ago), are pushing their agenda. I wish the damn collapse would happen already. We, America, needs this to happen if we are to hope for the restoration of our beloved country. Chances are that I may not see prosperous times but maybe my children or their children will.

                • ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!

                • If they’re at your door, be prepared to fight, because you’ll be on their kill list, REGARDLESS, if you have your weapons or not anymore.

                • Clint the ATF can enter if you are a licensed dealer or have a register Class 3 license for “Inspections”.
                  They also can come to the door and require you to produce any Form 4 items.
                  Telling them you sold them at a Show won’t stop the harassment if they have a hard-on for you.

                  Best defence is to never buy a gun on paper period. Sell all you have on paper and buy other without. Only way to clear your name. Or at least so they don’t know what you have. Once on the ATF list you can not get off it period. Ever. Even after death your name is still traced.

                • clint , listen to yourself. wake wide up pal. remember the guy from tennessee on here this summer that was babbling on about the no guns sign in his bank and how he thought it was a joke? and i said, first they will warn you, than they will arrest you? Stand up for your rights and your country guys. you have lost almost all of your freedom.

                  • You sir are 100% correct. I have been saying this for a long time now myself. The Gov. already has decreased our freedom and liberties, by using the age old excuse of giving up some of our freedoms for the protection of the public from terrorist. Especially since 9-11. Now to put the iceing on the cake, they want our as they say assault weapons. Do you for one minute think it will stop there. I know not. They will get your old trusty 30-30 and shotguns too.This is the same thing that Nazi Germany did in WWII. Hitler got the guns from the people and next the undesirables went to the concentration camps for extermination. Who are the undesirables? That will be all true Americans willing to fight once again for freedom and liberty, plus some misguided folks that did’t believe this could ever happen here. Well look around, we no longer have a say in any matters of politics. The greedy congress and senate no longer listen to the people, but to the underhanded money they get from lobb
                    iest. I’ll stop with this because all it does is boils my blood. Have a great day the Old America and its followers.

                • Odd Questioner, Re: edge weaponry

                  Check dirttimeforum dot com (see the section “The Edge”).

                • @OQ


                • I have to agree with my counterparts. I don’t know for 100%, but I strongly believe that the way the current adminstration is overstepping it’s boundaries and the way the mainstream media is backing it, it won’t matter. They will use whatever means they deem necessary to enter your home…with or without a warrant. They certainly aren’t afraid of a single individual standing up to them. They may knock with their hands or they may knock with a battering ram, but either way, if they want to come in, they will. You wouldn’t even get a by-line in the newspaper.

                • Presently a warrant would be required. That could and probably will change in the future. Depends upon the future situation. Should the Government declare that all owners of a semi-automatic weapon who refuse to turn them into the government during an amnesty/grace period are domestic terrorists, all bets are off. A warrant is easily obtained and your door can be breeched in order to serve a Felony warrant to a dangerous armed Felon. It is best to sell or loose your firearms before any of this happens. I lost my ar-15 when on a camping trip my canoe turned over. I sure do miss that thing.

                • Guns? What guns? I ain’t got no stinking guns. I don’t need no stinking guns.

                • You need a permit to own a hand gun in New York. And when you sell it there is a paper trail. This will work only with a long gun.

                • Yes, technically they must have a warrant, but all that requires is the NICs records that you purchased an assault weapon. The law now making you a criminal, your local LEO’s will come with SWAT and will very surely break down your door.

                  If you assemble the guts to resist this last resort to your destuction of freedom, you will find yourself shooting your neighbor who happens to be the sheriff and maybe some assorted BATFE, or even royal canadian mounties. This actually happened to a friend I know personally, Rick Celata from up in PA, when he moved out to Montana. He chose not to shoot, but lost $80,000 in property and was never convicted, but still has none of his property back.

                  If you are like the rest of the big-talking gutless americans you will not resist while they ransack your house and steal anything they choose and leave a “list” of what they took, though you were under gun-point and did not see to verify that list. You will live whatever is left of your life in shame and guilt and likely, poverty, dependent upon the great state that raped you of every right you dreamed you had. You will tell later generations of slaves that you never thought it could get that bad. And when the actual skining and raping and gassing is happening for real, you will know you did nothing to stop it because you didn’t have it in you.

                  If you are a true patriot as in the days of 1774, then you will shoot to defend your rights, your freedoms and your religion, and you will be gunned down in a hail of assault weapon fire and die an ingnominous death at the hands of a tyranny you cannot hope to conquer because you waited too long and gave up the weapons necessary to defeat them. In the final seconds as you bleed out you will realize what the founding fathers meant by a militia and a right to bear all arms, not to be infringed. You will know that there is no right to anything that you are not willing to fight and to DIE for! You will know that you chose to die for freedom and that death is not the worst thing. Not living and fighting for freedom is the worst thing. Your death WILL have purpose even if no one else ever knew. But chances are they will know and someone else with more ability will do something and maybe that spark of freedom that flowed out with your hot, liberty-loving blood will refresh those stripes and ignite the stars and hope may again spring in the land of the free!

                • The patriot act lets them become storm troopers. We are not going to have any rights. This idiot Feinstein, is the most liberal anti gunner in the senate. The government is going to impose it’s will on the people. It is coming. We can’t agree on a budget, but we can ban these weapons, and reduce the spending on mental health. This women is a nut job. Why is she not touting getting people the help they need?

                • The title that will be used is ‘the threat of terrorism’, hence, your Constitutional rights will be forfiet. Welcome to the new world order…

                  May God bless everyone.

                • Time to watch the movie, “The Patriot”, starring Mel Gibson.

                • Brace yourselves… it only gets worse.

                  Truns out the rumors further down the thread were true. The MSM is starting to portray the shooter’s mom as a “prepper”:

                  I popped it into the (newly minted) tweet feed:


                • More like time to live the movie, “Red Dawn”.

                  None of us (even though there are millions) can stand up to this assault on our rights alone. They will pick us off one at a time without regard for the law. Each time they ‘confiscate’ weapons from one of us, the result will be 100s more are either made to obey their demands out of fear or branded terrorists because of the violent response from some individuals.

                  If the states do not retake their sovereignty, whether through secession or not, I see no options other than civil war or slavery for Americans.

                  I believe that before any of us see heaven, we will go through hell. God Bless.

                  Esse Quam Videri

                • Arm up now and learn a foreign language , you may need them both depending on the situation . I believe civil war is not only a possibility , but now a necessity .

              • You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
                – Rahm Emanuel

                Those who wish to advance their goal of disarming America are not going to waste the opportunity this crisis presents.

                • Yes, disarm everyone early next year, just before they make it mandatory that every US citizen and resident receive an RFID chip under Obs new health care system. Tick tick tick tick not long to go now. Keep your eyes closed sheep. Keep doing nothing till its too late. That’s what they want. Hey America can you say baa baa baa baa? Oh, you already are ……l

              • Dianne needs a Dirty Sanchez…volunteers needed.

            • To correct Diane Feinstein, weapons of .223 and 762.x39 are legal rounds to hunt deer in Minnesota as well as varmints and even moose. I took my buck with a 7.62 x 39 this year.

              • MY DEAR FRIEND,do you in your wildest dreams,think for one second they give a flying fk about laws and hunting????LISTEN,they want control of the world and they can’t have it till they take down america,you want your children to be slaves for the next 500 years?LOOK at the homotralians,after they took their guns then they took all their rights………..

                • If, by “Homotralians”, you are referring to Australians, the ban on semi-automatic weapons and large magazines after the Port Arthur massacre has been widely popular, even amongst hunters and farmers such as myself
                  I still have enough firepower to hunt and defend myself, with no fear that someone can wipe out my family before I get a shot into them

            • UN soldiers can around freely all they want.They just better stay out of mine.

            • They needed a diversion and they… “got”… one.


            • Don’t worry. Those little blue hats will make sighting a little easier for those that choose to disregard the legislation and hold onto their guns and their regard for liberty.

          • Assault rifles were already banned and made illegal for citizens to have all the way back in 1931. Words have meanings and you can’t change them. According to the military definition of an assault rifle, it has to be fully automatic to be an assault rifle.

            • Ts time I believe they will banned each weapon by model not by a point system. And use the point system for future made ones.

              • huh??

              • Remember a point was given for a Flash suppress, Pistol Grip, Bayonet lug, Magazine quantity.
                That’s why the AR was made with no flash or bayonet lug and all cam with 10 rounders. You were allowed one point.

                That why the Mini 14 were not affected in the band. Remember Ruger help draft the first Ban. And voluntary took their 20 and 30 rd mags off the market.

                And you are correct about the Military definitions. But the law read different for the definition of an assault rifle. Military guideline do not guide US Law.

                The Congress can call anything they want a Assault weapon. Just by passing a law.

                • Considering how few now serve in the military or ever even handle a gun misnaming is easy. The average stupid American believes a semi auto Daisy BB gun is a assault weapon. They will also believe that FEMA camps are resorts.

                • Good point FBP. You are exactly correct. Most folks don’t know/have never heard of it though. But you needed to have some parts that were of US manufacture on the AR or AK to be in compliance and they went by a “points” designation.

                • I have an MAK-90, which is just an AK-47 with a cover welded over the threaded barrel end and a thumb-hole stock instead of the pistol grip. This was done to get around the stupid cosmetic ban in the ’90’s. Still shoots 30 rounds as fast as I can pull the trigger though!!

            • That’s why I used the quotation marks…

              • I figured you knew that….just wanted to post for those that might not be aware of it.

              • Odd Questioner

                Look up “Elite Knives By John Horrigan” his brother was a friend and made the best knives, John his twin took over after Bob was KIA.

                • y99, might we be also a Larue Tactical customer? LT also has a big write up (Bio)on Bob Horrigan and his knives. Great looking blade. BTW, you wouldn’t have any “dillo dust” you can spare do you?

            • @BJ

              “Assault Rifles were NOT banned and made illegal” in 1931. The National Firearms Act of 1934 requires individuals to register them with BATFE and pay a one time $200 tax and submit a form 4. Today 32 states allow law abiding citizens to own them.. After May 15 1986 no new registrations were/are allowed, so the pool (around 230,00) remains the same and prices have soared..

              More info at

              • Thanks for that……didn’t know, I thought machine guns were banned in 1931

              • Well,you can still buy a class III made before 1986 (fully transferable), but yes, very expensive and climbing. Anything made after 86 is a dealer sample, is much cheaper, but can only be transferred between dealers/manufacturers,LE, and military. Of all these weapons, 4 have been used in crimes since the NFA act. Kinda begs the question: why the 1986 law?

                • Post 1986 dealer samples cannot be kept by the dealer once he closes out his ffl/sot business. Also a letter of request is needed from a police dept stating a need to demo the weapon. In other words…post dealer samples are pretty worthlies…

            • Jim, BJ–They don’t care.

            • Pay the license fee and you can get a 50 cal machine gun.

              • I you can find someone who will let it go.

            • Stop trying to split the hair. The definition is whatever the law says it is, no matter what anyone else thinks. This is a serious assault on the 2nd Amendment and any American who values their freedom. Get in touch with your Congressional representative or senator, now. And tomorrow, and the next day. Every day for the month of December and every day next year.

            • Some one finally got the definition right about assault rifles. And for the news media, the rifles you are talking about now are actually a semi-automatic rifle. Ban it if you want, but at least get the names right.

          • Keeping comments very reserved on this one.

            I always wondered how it would start. Feinstein, do you have any f*ing idea what you’re about to unleash??

            • @ Rick

              Of course she does!

              She knows it will devolve into Christian gentile fighting/killing Christian gentile, over the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment & the Bill of Rights versus her Talmud’s declaration…that we gentiles have no soul & are thus “EXPENDABLE”.

              Thus its a WIN-WIN situation for her tribe & their NWO auspices.
              Think about it, brother! We’re running out of time.

              • This is not about Jews versus Christians!!!! It about good versus evil, freedom versus slavery. This goes way beyond religion or race – quit villanizing the Jews!

                • @ Jonny

                  …..Hey pal, before you light my ass up, per your lame defense of the enemies of GOD and mankind….go here (see link below):…


                  …sorry, its very in depth to the tune of 28.5MB(PDF file)…so maybe you might want to limit your reading exposure to page 121 (maximum)…pages 1 thru 49 will enlighten your (zionist-supporting) religious ass quite a bit….so, get busy Jonny-boy…do your research/homework!!!

                  When finished, get back to me…I’ll hit you w/ a POP quiz…just to see if your for real & actually read the truth!!!…..& btw, I won’t deviate from your KJV!!!!!


                  …are we cool?

                  …Ping me when finished & prepared…OK!!!???!!!

                  …have a blessed evening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                • this is the jewish controlled congress against the mainly christain populace. all of the biggest pushers for gun control are jews. and you fucken know it!

                • oh well, look at it on the bright side americans. you might not have a totla ban. they may go to the same laws as israel for guns. which are EXTREMLY restrictive. but hey, if youre at least 27, have an inside track politically to get a license, and many other restrictions, you still may be able to have a gun. its you fucken yanks that have supported israel through your passivity. fucken sick slaves. youre a bunch of cowards. land of the free and home of the brave? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…LLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLL bwwahhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaahahahahA

              • I still think we have the advantage over the UN. We know our neighborhoods and we have the best of the best but auto and in my opinion a ar-15 in semi auto has more accuracy and controlled shots in semi mode for strong shooters. We will lose with a chemical drop or a nuke etc or tanks etc. But troops going neighborhood will be at a disadvantage I believe. We are highly trained many of us and will not fear and do some serious damage with small groups of troops. Of course if a call is called in with dozens its over but you get what I’m saying. People to troops around the whole United States we have a tremendous advantage or I just have high confidence and that’s a good thing even if you suck. Having confidence can really change how you do when shooting and will do wonders with people in stressful times. Someone calculated the number of armed americans vs troops and many of the troops in a civil war will be very confused or even go AWOL. I’m just curious how far they are going to push this. I wonder if they are going to ban just internet sales like cheaper than dirt or go for all guns turned in or (face the federal government bullshit speech)

                I think and this would make sense that background checks and ammo sales on credit cards are all tallied according to amount of guns purchased the style and the ammo purchased and possibly they will get the local authorities to make their rounds under peace times and start covertly going to the highest amount of guns/ammo on the list without the public knowing before word gets out and this is seen with resistance. I think that’s what might happen. But again if you burry which people will say they have medal detectors etc the time and manpower wasted just on one person would be mind blowing. There are so many endless places to burry your gear etc. The satllites can’t track everyone so that has not even crossed my mind. These bastrds really think this is going to go smoothly. it’s not. Or they going to ban future sales or imports of sigs,FNH(FN and other gun parts and ban on all pmags 30 round and higher crap. It’s going to be hell soon on earth

                • I’ve always heard that, (If it’s time to bury your guns, then it’s really time to dig them up!)

                • I’ve always heard that, (If it’s time to bury your guns, then it’s really time to dig them up!)

                  I’m begging to think the same thing. I don’t want to get into a firefight if I don’t have to but…why the hell is everyone talking about figuring out ways to hide the guns that a tyrannical government would be confiscating? What are we waiting for, the boxcars and cyanide to show up? At some point, you have to decide if you’re going to go Full Founder and do what you KNOW will need to be done eventually, or keep kidding yourself that things will get better on their own.

                  If you’re going to die in a camp, isn’t it better to contribute to enemy attrition instead?

              • Anton Hackl you are a NUT who hates Jews. Why don’t you get off this website and go to a skinhead site where your views will be welcome.

                • Educate yourself and the truth will illuminate your slavery to Federal Reserve, a consortium of privately held banks controlled the UK semi-autonomous City of London, the square mile financial heart of the UK, which is controlled by…guess who?

                • @ Johnny, why dont you go to a jewish gun control website where you are welcome? why not? why not do it now and never come back? why johnny?

              • Anton H: Too little too late. The EU is more bankrupt than we are and we’re screwed, just look at QE4. There is no NWO because everyone is broke and things will devolve until political unions and nations begin splintering into smaller and smaller entities. Things are going to from global to very local. Time to buy up before our government desides, in one last effort of its last great power grab, to ban many types of firearms, magazines and ammo. Also look for a big hike in taxes on these items and some form of licensing. Things may or may not get grandfathered this time, so look to “safely secure” some of your stuff. Good luck all.

            • Yes, she does. She’s a zionist jew who wants to destroy our country and the white race. Everyone should read the protocols of the learned elders of zion wherein they state that the last generations of the white race were being born back in 1928. These scum are bringing in non-white, non-Christian peoples here, they’ll start a race war, and we will be disarmed and unable to defend ourselves. However, read George Washington’s vision–they won’t win. Washington was shown the future of our country, the invading troops, and God helping us when all seems lost, “leaving the people of the land victorious.”

              • Kate, your antisemitic rant is the talk of a foolish person who believes every nutty thing they have heard.

                It ain’t about the JEWS. Get over it.

                • The jews refer to gentiles as goyim, or cattle. They believe that the lives of gentiles are worth nothing to their own. There are many jews who have spoken out about their plans for a one world government and implementation of the mark of the beast. Their own rabbis have stated publicly that gentiles exist only to serve the jews. Another rabbi has stated that the god the jews worship is lucifer. It is obvious that you are just a loud mouth without access to facts. I suggest you read By Way of Deception by Victor Ostravky, a former mossad agent who revealed plenty about how the jews operate. I would also suggest you watch Brother Nathaniel’s videos, who is himself a jew, and educate yourself. By the way, I have jewish ancestors and do not hate jews. I do however, have a problem with jews who openly admit they worship satan and all that it entails, like human sacrifice.

                • Seems no one likes your comment enough to bother rating it, Johnny. My reply to your reply is still awaiting moderation.

                • Kate , pay it no mind , if SOME jews are like you say , I find it very hard to believe that MOST jews are that way and are in fact embarrassed by those that are . Sort of like the regular Mormons are very embarrassed about the extreme fringe sect Mormons that have hidden compounds , 20 wives , and marry and have sex with 14 year old girls ………both groups are the deviants , not apart of the normal beliefs . Thats like saying that ALL conservatives belong to the Ku Klux Klan …………when the truth is , very few do . Just sayin

            • I’d say it could ‘unleash’ Civil War. Not Jew v Gentile, but more like Patriotic Constitutionalists v The Corupt Government State. Feinstein of course is on the Corupt Government side backed by Jew lobbyists, Dirty Banking, Big Pharma and the War Machine. And Constitutionalists? That would be us. The over taxed, the under represented, the persecuted, the down trodden, the poor and those who will damn well fight back at the oppressor overlords that what us dead.

          • Yes, except they are going after all semi-auto weapons, pistols included. Fox News, call semi-autos(pistols included) weapons of mass destruction. It is coming and this time it won’t stop.

            • Well i suppose we need to get our web gear in order and our magpul mags filled with lots of reserve filler

              • Kulafarmer

                Gear up! ;0)

              • this is the time to truly ask yourself how far are you willing to go for your rights. guess i have to start to load up on a lot more ammo.

                if congress passes that bill, it will cause civil war. i know this will make me sound weak. but i am almost in tears, because i can see this passing right now. i know what i am willing to do and how far i am willing to go. but that is not what is bringing me to tears. what is almost bringing me to tears right now is the fact that i am honestly thinking, will i have to go against my brother that is in the army or against my cousin and friend which both are good cops. i know one thing. i will protect my beliefs, my rights, and my family even if i die doing it. i will not freely hand nothing over to them i will go to prison and die before i do so. i plan on enjoying this Christmas with my family. after that prepare like there is no tomorrow.

                • Omega, hopefully they’ll stand down and join us.

                • If your brother, cousin, or friend would try to enforce a law like this against any American, let alone you, then they aren’t worth worrying about. No man or woman ordered into a situation like this can justify taking such an illegal and unprecedented action with the words “I was only following orders.” I believe and hope that most of them will refuse to do it. Would any of you do this to relatives or friends or anyone else to save your stupid job? Its going to be a hard sell to the police or the military if it comes down to this. As far as UN troops are concerned they are targets as soon as their boots hit the ground.

                • @omegagrayknight –

                  >> what is almost bringing me to tears right now is the fact that i am honestly thinking, will i have to go against my brother that is in the army or against my cousin and friend which both are good cops

                  It happened during our first civil war. I imagine if it comes to that, it will happen again. This is a polarized nation and there is no leadership to heal the wounds and bridge the gaps.

                  Hell, just look on this board. To many we’d be “preppers” and “cut from the same cloth. But we’re even at each other’s throats here. All kinds of hateful verbiage and threats. It seems the die is cast.

                • Omega,
                  I hear ya, for me it means walking away from my family and my love to stand for the constitution and the future freedom of people i dont even know
                  God save us all

              • Already ahead. Just ordered more magpuls in 7.62(20 rds) and .556, 30 rounders. In my state, we’re only allowed to purchase 20 round mags or less. No one will ship the 30’s to me cause of my state’s limitation. However, at I can order the thirtys and for an extra $1.95 for each mag, get the “kit” version, and they’ll ship the mags, floor plate, springs and followers in seperate bags (all in one box) to get around the restriction. Takes about 30 seconds for me to assemble each.

                • @ Vaportrail

                  When I came home from Iraq in 05, I was sent to New Orleans for Katrina. At first we were to be armed and help stop the looting. Then the comment was made about Bush not liking black people and we turned all our weapons into the armory and were sent house to house for survivors. I hate to say this. The first thought my dumb ass had was “it’s going to be so much nicer being deployed inside the US.”. While I didn’t participate in confiscation weapons or lock people into the super dome, I have since asked myself if I would have thought it was wrong to do so if ordered. I woke up to the world right after I got out and took up contract work in Afghanistan.

                  I have seen first had the corruptness of our govt. I have seen US soldiers used to protect heroin fields. For the last 5 years I have taken prepping and my constitutional rights very seriously. I don’t even care if the govt knows what I am saying and doing. I want to live the American dream of the pursuit of happiness. And though I don’t desire a fight, I swear to God I will take as many of them as I can out before I go down if they come to tread on my inalienable rights! Any laws passed against the 2nd amendment aren’t legal and were never in their right to pass in the first place. And for you govt trolls lurking around here, think on this shit seriously since it may be you they send for me.

            • 9_9 “weapons of mass destruction”???

              God in heaven we need to ban merketing slogans is what we need to ban.

              So, apparently you can blow up a city with a pistol.


              Did not know that.

          • @ Odd Questioner
            @ GW

            I wish that TPTB would use some logic, and understand that firearms have been around for centuries. But of course, they will instead use this as convenient excuse to push their pet agenda of crippling our GOD given rights to self defense, as expressed in the 2nd Amendment . I wish they would look at the real source of the problem, as related here:


            Having worked in the mental health field as a lowly worker in a “behavior house” while I pursued my teaching degree, I can vouch for EVERYTHING this mother of a profoundly mentally ill child is going through. Been there, seen it all, got the t-shirt.

            What I want to know is, when will the SHEEPLE ever figure out that even though we have had guns in this country for centuries, we have only had these massacres in the past 20 years? When will they draw the connection between the mass “de-institutionalizing” of the 80s and 90s and the rise of all forms of deviant public behavior, not just mass shootings?

            The point is, we could ban every gun in the country, and it still won’t solve the problem. It will, however, leave us defenseless against the criminal element, both in and outside of the government.

            I’m just wondering, is there anyone here who has ANY intention of leaving themselves defenseless? For the life of me, I don’t see how they our so-called leaders even believe they could enforce this! Let me put it this way: if TPTB plan on giving in-state tuition to illegal aliens, if they’re going to turn a blind eye to the flash mob violence plaguing our cities, if they can’t be bothered to upload the LAW, which is their damned job, why would they expect any American citizen to agree to this stupefyingly evil proposal?

            • Agreed. The politicians have legislated themselves out of credibility.

              • It is beyond an issue of credibility…’s an issue of legitimacy.

                Read the text below… It was perhaps THE most important phrase in the entire document….the hinge-pin, so to speak.

                That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

                We need to return to the principles upon which this country was founded. And we need leadership that will honor the Constitution….not use it as a substitute for toilet paper.

                Those who will return to these principles, need to be thrown out….by whatever means becomes necessary.

                • Correction at the end….I missed a word.

                  Here it is corrected.

                  Those who will NOT return to these principles, need to be thrown out….by whatever means becomes necessary.

            • They are not concerned about the deaths resulting from these senseless mass shootings. Hell, the majority of them have been government / Mossad staged black operations anyway.

              What evil jews like Feinstein, Schumer, Lautenberg, Bloomberg and company want is to disarm WHITE MALES and, if they can do that, then they can repeat what their jewish cousins did in the USSR and proceed to slaughter another 66 or so million White Europeans here in America.

              The American Hebrew September 10, 1920:

              “The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world.

              What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.”

          • The only new national gun law should be to allow universal concealed carry by all law-abiding citizens, any time, everywhere.

            • “””The only new national gun law should be to allow universal concealed carry by all law-abiding citizens, any time, everywhere.”””

              That is already the Law, codified in the Constitution as the 2nd Amendment.

              • Tell that Mayors Daley & Bloomberg.

          • The turd who killed those kids used handguns…. this Fienstien bill is purely a reaction that has no merit in reality.

          • Hey OQ, loved your book.

            This is my first time posting here but since you asked I thought I’d try and help. (It didn’t let me respond to your actual comment so im doing it here.)


            Albion’s swords are probably the best quality out there, if you’re looking for swords anyway. Their designs are based on museum research with the intention of creating historically accurate, battle-ready weapons with the correct balance and strength to fight the warriors(and armor) of their day.

            Albion reverse engineers the swords found at archeological sites to learn how they were forged and heat treated to get the desired compensation of hardness and flexibility.

            You’ll have to look through the different types to see what fits with your idea but I’m sure you can find it there.

            The only one I’ve personally had the chance to handle was the Crecy(Oakeshott Type XVIa) a friend of mine had. It was pretty damn amazing to be honest. It’s hard to describe it really, the way its balanced just makes you want to handle the thing… and fight an armored knight or two..

            From the reviews I’ve read the rest of their swords are of the same quality, the biggest downside being their cost. The Crecy will set you back close to $900, which is why I don’t own one myself just yet.

            From the prepping side of things you might be much better off just getting a machete, kukri, or an axe from Gransfors, they’d be cheaper and a bit more multipurpose. It is going to be a few years before the world runs out of ammo anyway, even if every grid world wide went down tomorrow…

            Still, the sword has always been a thing of interest for me, so I thought I’d throw it out there.


            • Unless you’re going to get a light saber which deflects bullets, swords are pretty useless these days.

              • Oh I’m aware a sword would be pretty outclassed at the moment. Odd Questioner asked for an edged-weapons dealer with a good reputation so I was suggesting albion.

                I can see value in having such weapons in a collapse scenario but they’re very much towards the end of my list of ‘preps to acquire’. I’m more interested in them from a martial artist’s perspective than anything else.


          • ODD Q. I hearing ON dec.21.just before christmas,there planning a surprise attack on america with nuclear weapons and a full fleged ground attack to follow,if this be the case,everyone had better make sure they have ,food ,water,and lots of ammo,I’am hearing there coming on quad tracks up all dirt roads in groups of seven,at NIGHT,it will be take no prisoners in the first wave of attacks,AS I understand they have thirty cities that will be targeted with bombs and the out laying areas with parashoot troops,watch “small local airports”,they’ll be landing troop transport planes,filled with russians and gear for a ground assault,NOTICE,THE RUSSIANS will be waring american uniforms not russian and they SPEAK PERFECT ENGLISH,do not be fooled by them…………

            • So was that Reynold’s Wrap, or one of the cheap in-store brands? I’m thinking the latter, since it apparent;y isn’t keeping all the CIA rays out of your skull.


            • If you’re not the director of the CIA, you should be. That’s the most detailed narrative of a top secret invasion of the US mainland I’ve ever seen. One could almost think you pulled it out of your ass.

              • I think he has been playing too many video games , particularly ” Red Alert 3 : world in conflict “

          • Unfortunately, I have to admit to reading the Daily Mail, the English (Great Britain) version of The National Enquirer” as my son is stationed over there. They are definitely pushing the “Mom as crazed lunatic prepper” angle. All references are to her “arsenal” and canned food, which I didn’t realize was that dangerous in itself. Now is definitely the time to STFU about everything. Also, why bother with a judge and a warrant when you have hysteria on your side????

          • Its not that they got a diversion — THEY MADE THE DIVERSION like so many other events. Start asking probing questions and the media reports fall apart as laughable

          • Time to open carry in protest. Show them that law abiding citizens who own guns are actaly out there. The only time people see guns are in a bloody movie or on some headline lets show them peaceful offence instead of defense. Who is with me?

          • I am an attorney. The article is wrong about not grandfathering previously legally owned weapons. Under the U.S. Constitution, that is called an Ex Post Facto law and it it unconstitutional. So the government cannot take away any guns previously legally owned. All they can do is ban future sales or transfers. So whoever already has one of these and is worried about losing it – don’t. Even the evil Diane Feinstein can’t do anything about that!

        • PS:

          Would someone care to ask Ms. Feinstein how that national ban on methamphetamines is going?

          • Feinstein is a War Whore. Just look who her major political contributors are! How can she push through legislation against “weapons of war” when she herself is a weapon, used by the Defense industry to profit from?

            I urge people to learn who her political contributors are at opensecrets. And as much as we may think Congress is impotent, they are only worthless when they want to be. When they WANT something bad enough, they get it. The time is now. We MUST fight this one. If we do nothing, we become nothing. We have GOT to become activists NOW!

            There are ways to organize campaigns on a single issue and it is not that difficult. If this can’t become a forum asap, we can gather at another site, one that is political. We can develop a basic plan and flood the phones and inboxes, just as it was done with “Amnesty”. What say you?

            • Everyone who is leaving a comment, cut and paste it, then send it to Feinstein.

              Flood her email box:


              And call tomorrow. And the next day.
              Senator Dianne Feinstein

              United States Senate
              331 Hart Senate Office Building
              Washington, D.C. 20510

              Phone: (202) 224-3841
              Fax: (202) 228-3954
              TTY/TDD: (202) 224-2501

              This bullshit might get the pass in the Senate, but the (R) majority in the House will never vote it in if they want to keep their positions.

              • Chris Wallace called all semi-auto weapons, handguns included as weapons of mass destruction, Senator Durbin said no one should own a semi-auto weapon! It will pass just like Obama care.

                • I caught that word, too. Weapons of mass destruction? So ARs are as destructive as chemical weapons? My gosh…

                • BOY Obama the lying POS would love to get best of both worlds at once- His gun agneda and obamalove/care. This is getting unreal. I sure hope the people ban together at this point and do the right thing. We must not let this happen. We can change history again in a big way with this. On top of that we have fake leaders telling us that we must lay down our guns? We got a guy who lied probably to get into columbia and corrupt senators and congress who sellout the american people to make their friends rich and they get a cut of it under the table in accounts overseas for them to enjoy when the time arrives for their fucking enjoyment. Well they just pushed to far. I sure feel sadness and more sadness for those children but this has just made me grip my guns even stronger and get even more ammo etc. They want this to happen, well the people are not going to go quietly with this. sorry for so many posts, this has got me fired up like no other. YOU CAN SEE THE LYING AND REHEARSED LOOKS ON GEROGE STEPHENOPOLIS AND ALL THE SELLOUT MEDIA ABOUT GUNS. THEY ARE LOVING THIS. I WOULD LOVE TO DRAG THEIR FACES TO WATCH THEM PULLOUT A CHILD BEING ABORTED AT THE 7 MONTH MARK TO SEE A HUMAN BEING KILLED WITH A KNIFE OR A HANGER CRYING. SICK SOB’S! I BELIEVE IN ABORTION NO MORE THAN A MONTH ETC.

              • @Zoltanne

                We should point out that the real problem is not firearms, which we have had in this country since the beginning. The REAL problem is the un-addressed mental health issue in this nation. We have had a lot of happy talk about “mainstreaming” and “de-institutionalizing” the severely mentally ill, and NO ONE wants to recognize the deadly results. NO ONE wants to talk about the fact that semi-automatic firearms have been around for several decades, but its only been in the last 15 years that we have had these mass shootings.

                I think that everyone needs to read this article:


                Having worked in a “behavior house” years ago, I can vouch for EVERYTHING this mother has had to deal with. As heartbreaking as it is, we MUST realize that some people are far too deranged to be out in public, never mind within a mile of a weapon of any kind.

                If this is not addressed, we can have all the “gun laws” in the world, and it won’t change a damned thing. Except that good people, innocent people, will be deprived of their rights, and perhaps their lives. All because of the evil designs of ruthless hypocrites, who shriek of gun control while hiding behind their armed bodyguards

                • Your reply is excellent and does justice to explain why this unfortunate incident happened. When guns are banned and taken, then your country will follow. I have always believed something like this would happen and soon after all guns would be banned and the country disarmed. Once this happens the USA will be divided and occupied by foreign interest because resistance would no longer be a reason not to invade.

                • SonOfSam, Thank you. This is the point of view we should convey when we discuss “gun control”. There is no proof that a gun ban or “gun control” will minimize mass shootings or murders. In fact, so far, we have just the opposite findings.

                  (Previous comment to you evaporated, sorry if it shows up later.)

                • “”The REAL problem is the un-addressed mental health issue in this nation.””

                  The real problem is the drugs used to treat “mental illness”, and the fact that Pharma has, in fact, addressed the mental health issue.

                  If the med quacks would stop putting everybody having a bad day on pills of unknown effect, that escalate the problems the victim is already having, the shootings would stop and mental illness would become a private matter dealt with by families.

                  But really, too many people are too far gone for any of it to matter. I no longer care about the world. I don’t listen to the news put out by the MSM, I didn’t even know there was a shooting in Conn. for two days.

                  It is possible to find peace in the world. All you have to do refuse to mingle with the evil. Lock it out of your world.

                  Everyone has a right to free speech, but they don’t have a right to a listener. And I have no obligation to lend them an ear.

              • Thanks Zoltanne.

                Just sent my email! Hope everybody does the same.

                • Thanks Nailbender and JOG. Evidently my comments are no longer showing up if there is a link….

                  For those who want some reference info, go to the nraila dot org (NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action). There are a few helpful pages for activism.

              • Excellent post Zoltanne,

                Goodness, I’ll be so busy the next few days!!

              • Like they voted against NDAA, Ostupidcare, and the Patriot Act??
                Yeah, right. This is no longer a right vs. left, a dem vs. repub., a christian vs. atheist country.
                It is a NWO vs. peon citizens country.

                • Seemingly the peons have already surrendered without a whimper. EBT cards are powerful leverage when so many use them.

                • Hallelujah jayjay,
                  I think you’ve got it!!!!

              • Looks like her email server is getting slammed, couldn’tsend her my thoughts, oh well I will just call

                • She wipes her ass with our comments. Unless there is a million dollar bribe attached she could care less what the prols want.

                • Keep trying. Don’t let “them” discourage you. Get up and put your fight on, Bubba!

              • I don’t know. Once they’re elected, we become the “little people” and important only for campaign donations. Take Ohio’s Rob Portman (please) who campaigned as a conservative Republican. Once in, he apparently went into fan mode and voted for NDAA which he was warned strictly again doing. Letters of complaint were answered by a reply requesting donations…..

                • another POS politishin

            • I said in a post down below that if you have to stand up and never give them up if they try to break the laws and you fight, you can never do wrong for doing right on this. diane and the president are breaking the laws and have no right on this. We are good people that are following the laws. They are not and this will be the biggest mistake if they do this. at 615 sunday on ABC they are talking about how many background checks are record numbers. No shit idiots. We must stand up and not question this. We are in the right with no question.

              • This is why we have the 2A , as a patriotic American i will not allow my liberties to be taken, i will die fighting before allowing anyone to strip me of my tools.

              • Ky only has 4.5 million citizens; but, last year 2.5 million background checks were performed.
                Hey, Ky. is first in one thing that matters–background checks annually to check firearm status.
                No, they didn’t perform those for gun sales. They are required to do that every year.
                To make sure your status is unchanged–don’t want those wife-beaters with guns..and I’m NOT smiling when I print that.

                • I did not know that! Very interesting topic. If they try and do this what happens then if a crime is committed on your property and you defend yourself and the guns was not background checked. what its your ass and your charged with a felony or some crap. That is nuts and I did not know that it was a law. that even pisses me off even more. No wonder people want to pay cash for an item so police have no idea what you have.

                • Prove your statement. The Nics system is not used for updating someones status. It is for instant checks.

                  Or they are all for concealed weapons.

                • It’s not SUPPOSED to be used for that. The reality is different.

                • build your own
                  www thehomegunsmith dot com /

            • Ms. Zoltanne

              Excellent post!!!

              …Although, your point is relative to one’s perception of reality here in 21st century “Blade-Runner Amerika”….

              …that said, I hereby propose a two-tier(level) system of resistance, patterned/based upon the IRA(Irish Republican Army) & their struggle against the Crown(England).
              Am not taking sides, per that conflict….merely embracing their strategy/tactics…….’cuz they worked/were successful….& to a lessor extent…the Chechin’s(see Chechnya warfare/21st century).



              You are advocating/mirroring a political philosophy/system first proposed by Durango Kidd***…FYI, he & I have disagreed ofttimes & yet sometimes agreed in the past…that said, I realize that I have been AWOL from these threads for a while now & after much personal reflection, have come to support his…”ENGAGE” philosophy…
              …….with a minor caveat, of course!!!

              ***(yeah, I’ll give you credit DK…you’re one smart SOB)…no sarcasm intended, btw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              Kudos to you………………………………..!!!!


              That being (IMO), tyranny only respects/fears a counter-balance of raw-force, capable of extreme/precise violence!!! History supports my assessment.
              Thus, per DK’s dictum…(though never clarified for the masses)…is an absolutely essential variable in the equation, per the fight/struggle for freedom/individual liberty. Thus…………………:

              We need/require an ‘above-ground organization’ for media exposure, public relations & ideological presentation purposes…(google ‘Sinn Fein & Jerry Adams’)…for details.
              Yep, its late in the game & we’re playing catch-up…,…..form your cells, vets/soldiers…& do it NOW!!!!!

              Set-up your ‘dead-drops & cut-outs’…..establish your comm procedures/OPSEC & call-signs…..DO IT NOW!!!!

              …and remember:……………….

              …..the fighters/soldiers must remain underground….below radar. Resistance must encompass political/social/academic & economic realms….no base exceptions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              …expansion of priorities is free-reign!

              Sorry to be so “in your face”, Zoltanne….but, this is ‘WAR’….& war is ugly/dirty/repulsive/horrifying…in the extreme!!!!
              …read between the lines of some who post here(my brothers)…they speak only…TRUTH…& it ain’t pretty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              Notice we….DIDN’T START THIS SHIT……THE REGIME IN DC/UN DID!!!!!!!

              Thus…….-(grin)-**….aim small, miss small!!!!!!


              Am sorry DK…but this modus operandii is the only way I can substantiate & endorse your position….& whose validity, I leave to the individual, reading this post!!!
              You’re not my enemy & never were!!!!!!
              I’d have your six……irregardless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              Am not trashing your ideas(they are sound in a normal environment, where logic & honor prevails)….But, I am merely hedging/leveraging my bets, right now….as are the alphas here!!!!!!!!

              …’cuz in the end, its not about whether you or I were/are correct/right……its about our progeny…our children & grand-children…..& whether or not we possessed the courage to confront tyranny & shove/push/strike back(hard)…….so said progeny has a decent shot at…life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness!!!!!

              …thus, all I can say is:………..


              …& may GOD assist our aiming…………..!!!!

              • As usual you are right on the money Gun. We are at war with these lunatics and violence is all they understand. Thanks for stating the truth in a clear and precise manner.

                • @ High-speed

                  Brother…(read between the lines!!!)
                  …the “Matriarch” of these boards…has my contact data!
                  She is free to forward such to you…Contact her!!!

                  …I am 2-hrs(max) driving time from your locale….close to the ZOO.

                  …Anton Hackl is a friend of mine, he’s close by…will introduce you two if we ever hook-up!


                  …GOD BLESS you & yours, sir!
                  You’re one of the good ones here & please overlook some of my past “forwarded” traffic……………


                • Gun
                  i dont know where you are but i`m in,,,,its time


              • Gunsmith, organization is the key. We have them with the numbers but they have been better organized than we have been. They cheat, slander, and writhe as they try to silence the Conservative majority because they KNOW we outnumber them.

                Yes many of us have been discouraged, even disgusted. We even laugh at the collective mindset but we too can use that collective mindset to our advantage. When looking at the ownership and sales of guns during the Obama administration, we get a clearer picture. PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP. And it is this reason that TPTB are acting and over-reacting. If our numbers increase, their power-scheme for the NWO will win.

                We must assemble. For now, it must be on even ground, calm, and ordered. The battle cry has not yet been called. Now is not the time to step out of line.

                • guys and ladies
                  what are we wAITING on????


              • Good to see you back “in-the-board-game” gunsmith. WE can only bite-our-tongues for so long and then the proliferation of “trolls” and others with honestly ignorant comments finally drags US back into the fray.

                90% of the guns in my possession are semi-autos. Funny how the lame-stream-media still refers to such as “automatic assault rifle/pistols”.

                The “crimegress and present-dent” can attempt to pass whatever “law of the day” THEY want. While I breath, ownership of said firearms will remain in my possession. We are witnessing the beginning of what most of us have warned about for sometime now. The near future will reveal THEIR game-plan. Good. The sooner it is revealed, the sooner WE can prepare a defensive/offensive response. Tally-ho!

            • Zoltanne, why would you insult whores that way??? Shame on you, comparing them to the disgusting senator from CA.

        • Just came out the CT shooters. Mother was a survivalist doomsday prepper, here comes the bad press!

          • it came out she was a gun enthusiast, not a prepper. She collected guns as a means of self defense after divorce and enjoyed shooting. She did not stockpile food and water. Not everyone who collects firearms is a survivalist or doomsday prepper. Go spread your neocon crap somewhere else.

            • Well Jim you jack ass her sister said she was a survivalist who fortified her house and WAS storing food and water and when they talked the conversations were about prepping and preppers, see DIPSHIT what happened here is you read one of the articles but I read that one and four more, I’m guessing you feel like an ass now and I don’t accept your apology. IDIOT!

              • Cites she was preparing for an economic collapse, I unlike idiotic Jim check into these things before opening my mouth, I was contacted by a site I sometimes write for this morning with this information so that we would know that bad press was on the horizon!

                • DIESELDAN is right, you can’t read one article and believe everything you read just once. there is so much inconsistancy in the media its bad. just like they call our ar-15 automatic guns. they have no idea if they are comming or going. just like a report the ar-15 was in the trunk and didnt get used and now they are saying it was. too many misleading and misinformation.

                • Jim and Diesel Dan,
                  What difference does it make if they badmouth preppers or not in the MSM. If you want to prepare then DO IT. All this name calling and bickering about silly shit while “Rome burns” plays right into the hands of those lighting the fires.
                  GOOD CALL, Gunsmith!!

              • And this dialog is precisely why the nation will be destroyed…because we don’t even try to treat each other with respect and dignity!! You two don’t know each other…can you extend each other a little grace, the freedom to have a different opinion, a schedule that doesn’t allow one to read the articles that the other has time to read so he’s better informed? Come folks, BE A BLESSING…even here!!

                • G-Force, we do talk that way to each other under stressful, upsetting situations…but know what?
                  If ‘IT’ happened, these folks will be the first to aide their neighbors if needed.
                  This I know. Amen. Halleleujah. Praise the Lord. Pass the ammo.:-)

                • G-Force

                  Ever been in the Military? This is mild.

              • So, when y’all are done calling each other names, does anyone have a source for this allegation?

                Just askin’.

                • I believe now its been picked up by the NY times and the Washington post, sry bout the negative attitude has not been a great day I’m over it now!

                • s’okay – turns out you’re right.

                  To short-circuit the moderation, just hit up my twitter account at twitter(dot)com/OddQuestioner with the link you can use.

            • Jimmy Boy,
              You better pay closer attention. That is in fact the story that is being spread. You are the one that should get your head out of your ass. This way they get to go after the nut bar preppers and the gun nuts. Not much we can do except get ready for some rough times.

          • and a homeschooler

        • As passed by the Congress:

          A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

          As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

          A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]

        • Does not feinstein have armed body guards? WHY? and what are THEY armed with??


        • So sorry EA….& Mac—–off topic!!!! Please excuse!

          >>>>****LD…..(brother of a different mother)****<<<<


          >>….game has shifted to domestic, Gorden’s right!….<<
          …have hard-copy…watch Ncom. closely…window is 60 days…max<<

        • I have been telling this community for two years that Patriots and gun owners must “organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote …”

          If Patriots do not have a political party to push their legitimate Constitutional rights, the Globalists in power will erode their guaranteed liberties, destroy their economic power, and eventually, merge the USA into the NAU.

          Yet there are some here who say WE cannot change anything. If not US who? If not now, when? The loss of POLITICAL power is the one thing they fear.

          Engage these MF’s or be enslaved by them.

          • @ DK

            …Six months ago, I’d argue your point till I was blue in the face………………………….NO MORE!!!

            DK…for the most part…you are right!!!!!!!
            …call it a 98% batting-average…you swing well!!!!


            …and thanks for the “”SIDE-EDUCATION””…………!!!!

            ….you’ll figure it out, I’m sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • DK, I haven’t been at this site for 2 years, so let’s defer to you and “the mission”. I’m with you on this and so are others. If we sit back and simply complain at this site via the keyboard, we’ve lost.

            Where can we go to organize better? This site isn’t a forum where we can post links or lengthy messages. I’ve already lost several posts this morning and just don’t have the time to re-write things that disappear. (Not to mention how it’s so discouraging.) Is there a site where we can gather?

            • zoltanne: Before you exit and “submit” your comment, always outline your comment with your mouse and copy it with a right click before you hit “submit”. That will save you from retyping if you lose the comment.

              As for organizing, start with SHTF Patriots and find the links there to organizations and individuals with like minds: GOOOH for example.

              Or move to take control of either political party in your town. You must get active. WE must all become politically active.

              Start a FREEDOM CELL.

              First, for NOW, WE must carry the message of Patriots to the MSM comment boards, overwhelm them, and get OUR message out to others; black, white, yellow, brown, and indifferent.

              The PTB listen carefully to the voices of the people because they fear losing control. If WE resist vocally, loud and strong, they will crumble like a paper bag.

              Consider the clout of the Gay & Lesbian community in America. They are only 3 to 4% of the population yet they are transforming the nation’s laws to suit their fancy. How? They are loud. They are vocal. Gun owners represent a third of the population.

              Too many Americans do not know or understand their rights; and WHY these rights are so important, so WE must educate them as WE post OUR comments. Most of them are still unaware of the conspiracy to dissolve the USA. This is particularly true for younger people who have been brainwashed by the system.

              The globalist left (and right) have infiltrated OUR schools, erased the idea of American Liberty, and separated that understanding from the reality of the spiritual essence of each individual which REQUIRES free agency.

              Every nation in the world should embrace and adopt the American Constitution; not some paper rag written by the UN designed to create have’s and have not’s; subservient to a special group of people who are creating a system to set their power in stone.

              Nothing resounds, reverberates, and vibrates with the human soul like the cry of “Freedom”. For all of OUR inter connectivity (think a spiritual internet where each of US has a spiritual IP address) WE still must have the right to think, act, and breathe free, independently of each other, yet co-creators with the Divine.

              Second, We must engage Divine Providence to bless and magnify OUR efforts. If We will collectively, as individuals, acknowledge the Spirit of Freedom and honor Him once more, He will carry the message to every village and town, every school and university, and the hearts and minds of Americans will burn once more with His light.

              He will make a way.

              A “battle plan” is in the works. The road is long and it is hard but WE must maintain OUR commitment and spread that energy to others; and if WE do, He will keep His promises to US. Its that simple. America is awake. America is becoming aware.

              If not US who? If not now, when? Engage.

              • Thank you for taking the time to explain your ‘mission’, DK. We have an active TP here. I’ll pursue a few more avenues, too. Thanks.

        • Why not ban cars? They kill 90+ people PER DAY in the US. And some of them are children. They cripple thousands more every day. Drunk driving causes at least 1/3 of those deaths, why not ban alcohol? Or the sale of cars or…

          • If you ban alcohol, what will congress run on?

            • Hookers and coke, of course!!!

        • Resistence(peaceful) to tyrants IS obedience to God…Thomas Jefferson….we must not let such control freak reptiles like Feinstein deny we the people the right to self defense….Never…..

        • E.A.tell me what do you think they’ll do after guns are gone in america?KILL everyone in europe,canada,mexico,england,what??the world will be their dinner plate,who will be able to stop them?the russians,the chinese?YOU want to see a blood bath,give them your guns,you got young daughters,wives,not after they get your guns you won’t ,they’ll just take anything they want and if you complain,they’ll just shoot you in the head and take it anyway…like they do in china..FOR the first time in the history of america,even the cowards are going to have to fight,OR DIE………

          • Sounds like you already answered them, yourself.

        • You are wrong about zionist and Jews. In Israel we have the right to bear arms and we train every child in how to use full automatic weapons. In the USA, you have groups like the Jews for The Preservation of Firearms and many whom studied the Holocaust who know arms bans lead to genocide. Your antisemetic ignorance only proved you are ignorant.

          • Tell me Jeff, what did I say about “Jews”? I said NOTHING. Zionists can be Christians. It is your assumptions that make you the one who is “ignorant” and, your ignorance has to be exposed because your delivery is typical of how ignorance functions.

            You are welcome.

            • AND You must have ” S T U P I D ” written on your forehead. ZION originally is Jerusalem.

        • This came to me and is still being sorted out in my head.

          1) The shooters were all on pharmaceuticals

          2) The drugs were created to give a quality of life to those that would have spent their lives in a hospital

          3) One of the risk to having people normalized that would have in the past been institutionalized are these mass shootings

          4) What is the greater humanity, to give the majority of these people a better life through pharmaceuticals and risk the rare but sensationalized mass shooting or institutionalize a great number of people to protect us from the few?

          5) For now our society has chosen to normalize as many as possible through pharmaceuticals. How do we deal with the side effects? Just grieve for our losses and then move on? Pass laws that restrict the act but in reality the law does nothing to stop it? Pass a law to restrict the tools but in the real world the law does nothing to stop it? Create a big government big brother to watch over everyone at all times? Arm the whole of society? Take government control of all media and entertainment and propagandize a new consciousness? Rethink pharmaceuticals and let nature run it’s course in regards to mental illness and institutionalize those that are a danger to society and themselves while condemning those that can be helped to a life of mental hell?

          For me there are no easy answers, every solution has dark side because of the dark nature of greed, politics, corruption, organized crime and unstable minds.

        • ^^Truth talk!

        • who needs them? WELL OBVIOUSLY WE DO!
          These idiots are dangerous!

        • If these Tyrants pass any legislation against our 2nd Amendment/Bill of Rights, there will be series consequences! I’m talking SHTF!!!

        • i love to hunt, i love to shoot, but a 223 and 308 semi-automatic round has limited purpose in the field…is it necessary in civilian hands?

          • Yes, they are necessary.

          • My first deer rifle was a Winchester Model 100, .308, 5 round semi auto. A perfect deer rifle. You seem too ignorant to own any type rifle or handgun.

        • What does Zionist have to do with a gun ban? You are too stupid to listen to!

        • And she talkes out of both holes. She has a carry permit. What an Ass wipe

        • meanwhile the rest of the world thinks (some) Americans are just hopelessly stupid when it comes to gun ownership…

        • anti semitizm reigns supreme!

          this site, is also a good example of antisemitzm




        • And why does the Government need hundreds of thousands of rounds of hollow point ammunition ?????

        • Bravo, I agree !this woman is poison to the human race !

        • the question is.. Not will we band together.. but Who will lead?

          we have alot of loud voices here.. but who will lead?

      2. Between now and the 1st, gun sales and ammo will beat Barry’s re-election records.

        • Time to start burying guns

          vertically under metal fence posts

          • If its time to bury them then its time to start using them on the enemy.

            This country needs to get some balls.

            • easier to use if your first shots they aren’t expecting

              ask the red coats shot from cover when they were out in nice little rows 1st revolution

              oh thats right they didn’t speak after

            • mikrat,
              Good luck on that.

        • Have a Patriot Brother in the retail gun business, he said that this weekend was off the wall busy.

          • I heard that the background phone system was so busy that it took hours to try and get thru. Women don’t forget to get ammo too. they might try to up the tax on it or make it harder to get online etc. Don’t worry about the round size ladies for the most part. If its reliable gun and you shoot 2 shots in the chest they are going to drop even with a .22. they wont be able to breathe. IF your getting a gun ladies, look at the sights that look clear to you and it feels comfortable. a 380 or 9mm will kill someone eazy ladies. YOu dont need a 44 mag or a 10mm or really funky rounds. A gun will kill your enemy.

          • Walked in to a local Gun shop on Saturday, it looked like they’d been robbed.

        • You are right because a lot of gun owners are stupid.

          • The fact that you use the moniker JoeinNC in no way reflects the vast majority of those here in NC. You sir(and I use that perjoratively) are an absolute disgrace to the people of NC. yes, a lot of gun owners are dumber than a box of rocks, but I’m fed up with you and you’re mighter than thou attitude. When the balloon goes up, or the shit goes down you’ll be begging one of us for help.

            God help your soul…you’re going to need it.

          • Since you say you are a gun owner I guess there is alot of truth to that statement. You really are a maroon.

          • So is everyone in our office named ‘Joe’.

        • Yup. I fully expect to see empty racks in the gun stores….I give it about a week.

      3. I pray that Americans have at least as much courage as our cousins to the north ( Canada) who refused to register their weapons when their Socialist government
        demanded it!

        • Don’t bet on it

          we have lost the back bone of our forefathers.Standing up for what is right isn’t out there anymore.

          • @ largetarget,

            …then it’s time to get it BACK. Mount of up, Ladies and Gentlemen, it just about time…

            • in this climate they’ll just pick off us “crazies” one at a time

              By the time your neighbors realize there is a problem it will be to late

      4. HOLY CRAP! TWO DAYS AFTER THE SHOOTING, AND INSTEAD OF HELPING THE FAMILIES THAT ARE HURT THEY WANT TO PUSH LEGISLATION?? Call your congressman, and make sure they stand to protect gun rights, not to abolish them.

        • Thank you for the article Mac.

          Not even if the liberal/progressive turds offer money for my collection will they get their filthy hands on it. Theft by any other name is still theft. Voluntarily surrendering our weapons to these Constitution/freedom hating monsters will only further weaken the nation.

          This is the moment in our history that kept the Founding Fathers awake at night, I’m sure.

          • They can have mine when they dredge Lake Superior where I lost all of them in a boat accident.

            • You lost your’s in Lake Superior? I lost mine in Lake Michigan.

              • What a coinsidence grand traverse bay

                • Torch lake for me

                • Buried mine with Jimmy Hoffa.

                • Mom 2 5

                  After the right to work vote jimmy just might use it


                • LOL , little muskegon river…………long story

                • Funny, I sold mine to Jimmy Hoffa, in a gun show parking lot. He borrowed Elvis Presley’s pickup to haul it all home.


                • Amazing, mine dumped overboard in Tampa Bay.

                • Lost mine in Lake St. Clair…

            • well i dont know if you guys remember the moron that got lost in the everglades and lost his shoes,pants ,and his gun ,well that were’nt me ,BUT ! i decided to go looking for his gun (and being worried about the pythons) took all my guns to make sure i didnt get constricted ,well about the time i got near one of the muck ponds ,my piro tipped over ,and my guns slipped into one of them bottomless muck pits ,i by the grace of god ,grabbed a gators tale and he pulled me up in a cabbage hammmock

              • LOL, you

            • My gun safe was abducted by aliens……

            • Tchoutacabouffa River, Mississippi…………no shit..;)

              chew da cuh buff

              • Careful there, every fairy tale begins with “ONce upon a time, every sea story begins with “now listen guys this is no sh..”

          • Didn’t keep them awake at all. They full well expected it at some point in time. That is EXACTLY why the 2nd Ammendment was instituted. They knew, that of all the forces to ever terrorize humanity, GOVERNMENTS and CONTROL WHORES are top of the list. At least they “tried” to give the People a fighting chance. What happens now is up to us.

          • @YH

            Just curious, do you actually plan to give up any of your firearms? Ever?

            How about everyone else? Who here plans to EVER give up so much as a round?

            • @Son of Sam

              I do not plan to give up anything. I await the passage of laws that makes me a criminal. If I get killed along the way. Eh! Come back and haunt JoeInNc.

            • I will only give up my rounds one at a time.

            • I have an old Dan Wesson .357 that’s got a busted (loose) cylinder shaft, and it’ll likely cost me more than the damned thing is worth to get it fixed.

              I figure if they come door-to-door, they’ll get that one, and won’t know about the rest even existing.

              • Yes, it might be worth the investment, say $500 worth of almost junk guns, to have in place a bogus (cheap) arsenal, to divert “their” attention. But the ammo would have to line up with the guns and who’d want to part with their ammo? You know they’d be asking for your .357 rounds, and with ammo being worth it’s weight in gold…

                But then, sometimes one has to take a step back to take 10 steps forward. Whatever it might take to keep their dogs and metal detectors from canvasing ones property.

                • A reloading kit and some dummy rounds in a box would handle that, no?

              • Same here, I have a old, non-functional rifle, shotgun and handgun that aren’t worth fixing or can no longer get parts for. Don’t really care about them too much and would hand them over, but they better not come for anything else!!!

            • SonOfSam,

              When I’m too old to focus on the front sight and squeeze the trigger I might consider selling my collection as an investment, but I’ll keep at least one. Short of that, I’ll part with them when hell freezes over.

          • To accomplish the libs goal of disarming America, they would rather use the “carrot” method (buy back gun events, etc.) – it’s easier. But, be assured, using a “stick” method (fines, punishment) will work for them too.

            In light of the recent shootings at the school, over 450 people turned in their guns for a $100 grocery gift card at a buyback gun event in Baltimore, MD. Many people said they wanted to get rid of their guns to prevent them from ending up in the wrong hands.

            (from what was said, I assume the gun buy back event was held yesterday.)

            Police “say” the guns will be destroyed.

            • KY Mom, not surprised. Baltimore City is pretty much a third world country. BTW, most of the gun there are STILL in the wrong hands. They’ll never turn them in. If this legislation does pass by hook or crook, then alot of us will become a criminal. If not turning in my guns is going to make me a criminal, I’ll wear it like a badge of honor.

          • Don’t worry about that. They will not give anyone a dime. Hope they don’t come after the BB gun I have for shooting rats that get in the aviary. I expect the really nice stuff to find a new home in various govt. agents private collections. Anyone who has not yet done so needs to read Matthew Brackens novels. He called this situation right on the money. Whatever you do get the heck out of any militia type groups, and shut your mouths.


        • What do you think these shootings are all about?

          • Nobody is saying it so I will.

            Demonic Possession.

            Yeah, I said it.

            End times? Dunno, mate. Seems like it to me.


            • I think you hit “that nail” on the head, my friend!

            • i said 30 years ago when you take morlatity and accountability out of our schools and our young peoples lives ,you are going to wind up with a genaration of vipers ,i heard it said in this forum a few days ago when you remove God all your left with is evil ,i think this is going to excelerate ,it used to be once a year then now and agien ,now its almost every week ,remember the movie “the happening ” make ya think

          • Having worked in a “behavior house” while I pursued my teaching degree, I can tell you that our society’s attempt to “mainstream” and “de-institutionalize” the seriously mentally ill is a HUGE part of the problem. Guns of all sorts — and certainly the semi-automatics now under fire — have been around since before I was born. Why is it then that it is only in the last 15 years that we have had these mass shootings? My take is that we are no longer serious about treating the severely mentally ill in this country… we think that we can solve every problem with pills, and then we just throw these people out into society. Some of them cope..sort of. Many of them fall through the cracks and end up as the “homeless”, which is such a bullshit term… giving them homes won’t solve the fact that they are off their meds and are talking to buildings. Still others end up listening to the voices in their heads, and they go on a mass shooting rampage

            I offer this article as a “must read” for everyone, and I mean right now:

        • Of course, there is nothing more important that congress should be working on. They got spending under control and a solid plan to reduce the deficit while preserving Social Security and Medicaid without raising taxes on the middle class. Right?

        • Congress should be banning development, production, sales and rentals of violent video games, violent music videos and violent movies.
          Before crimes are committed physically, they are committed in perpetrators’ minds aided by visual imagery produced by the above mentioned.
          The visual and spiritual garbage produced by companies domiciled in California is aided and abated by Feinstein.

          • Larry,

            I could not agree more.

          • CONgress should NOT be in the Business of banning anything.

            Why do people keep asking to have things taken away?

            I have played many violent video games and i do not go out and shoot people or blow up things.

            Stop inviting your own slavery – If you don’t like it Then Don’t do it – but do not tell me that I can not do it.

            And we wonder why this country is in the shitter.

            • Seriously. Ban violent video games? Since when do the American people have to be babied and coddled? This is sickening!

            • Exactly! Above is an example of the brainless American. Please, oh powerful and wise government! Take away my rights! I cannot be allowed to think for myself! Please protect myself….from myself. PATHETIC.


              • The point has entirely eluded you. Back to Resident Evil.

            • If USA is still in one piece in five years, the pharmacutical industry will be under seige just like the tobacco industry has been, only they have commited even worse crimes.

              FWIW, smoking is a choice, but the industry did everything they could to make their product more addictive. Pharma has done worse. It will be a tough road, because of money and power, but the tobacco industry was once all powerful, like pharma is today. Millions of people will not want to admit to what they have done to their children, and Dr.Quack and his ilk will be running for cover because they KNOW what they have done.

            • mikrat,

              Great Post!!!!

          • sorry, 1st amendment

            • this was a reply to Larry Peterson

        • MtPrepper – my sentiments exactly! “Instead of helping the families that are hurt ………..”

          On a more serious note, my mother and I (in association with my pharmacist Godfather) have been reading up on the newer generation of anti-depressants like serotat and prozac. I’m no medic, but it’s made me uneasy that these drugs are handed out as “safe” to the under 25’s on a regular basis.

          One too many anecdotal links with suicidal or seriously violent behavior in individuals that were’nt before iykwim. It’s a pattern seen across many nations. The brain doesn’t mature till 25 years of age & I’d like to see these drugs some serious clinical trials can be done to prove their saftey. If you are looking for something to ban and legislate against then for public saftey reasons I think this new generation of anti-D medications need to be consdiered.

          Here in the UK they are piloting a ban on air-gunsin Scotland. (These are currently v.low powered tools, only suitable for rat catching that kids use, not decent weapons.) It’s so silly it’s crazy iykwim. Street thugs use knives and wolf-hybrids now on a regular basis as weapons. My point being that the wicked will always find a way to main and murder the innocent if that is their clear intention.

          From a prepping perspective, perhaps it’s time to master black powder and reloading. Old tech tools that your average jobsworth goon won’t recognise. (“Antique collecting is my hobby officer”).

          I have no idea how likely you are to be successful in your fight to retain your rights to bear arms over the pond, but I really hope you succeed. If you lose them in the US, every tin pot dictator gloablly will follow suit and the global corporate plantation will be one step closer to reality for all humanity.

          • Hello! This is exactly why I have been researching to discover herbal replacements for commonly utilized drugs…for example…I have to take 6 pills a day in order for my heart to keep beating, or so they tell me….bs I call it….I am currently growing my own herbs which I hope will provide solutions for many people…..

      5. Amen Brother!

      6. “A well regualted militia, being necessary for a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

        Will someone please read the definition of “infringed” to Ms. Feinstein. The founding fathers are flipping her the bird from the grave. Pass it, congress, see what happens. Go ahead: WE DARE YOU.

        • wait until obama has a chance to add to the supreme court.

          infringe won’t even slightly reasemble the Websters definition

          • And if that doesn’t work, he’ll issue an executive order and bypass congress anyway.

        • Especially the part “SHALL NOT BE” !
          It doesn’t say possibly might be…

          SHALL NOT means exactly that !

          • but the dems have debated the meaning of what “is” is so they might not grasp it

            • Yeah, beginning with, “I did NOT have sex with that woman..”, sound familiar?

              • It is all about what the definition of “is” is.

              • JoneG
                bro.he didnt ,,she had it with him,,,,


        • I agree with your statment, Net Ranger.

          Yet I think they will try to pass this law, and waste everyone’s time.

          It would be better if the government was merely overthrown.

          I think the time is ripe. After all, that’s what the militias are for, in order to overthrow Tyranny.

          It’s a realization that many are having. Then people would never allow actual assaults to happen in ther communities. It would be far too costly.

        • The Constitution only means ANYTHING if the PEOPLE protect it (not the government)…as you already know of course. They can’t “legally” do this gun ban. But they will do it anyway. Because Americans are weak. The values now are suburban lifestyles and constant entertainment. Very few of us train. HELL, very few of us are even in shape. I think a VERY restrictive gun ban is coming, regardless of the Constitution. It is well-understood that in order to advance the global agenda (UN), a gun ban had to eventually happen. The people must be disarmed before “democratic” rule can be folded into regional/global government. This is a multi-stage process, which is progressing over a long (multi-generational) span of time. We should ALL see this for what it is: a long-term strategy by corporate/globalists to consolidate power in their few hands. They’ve seen Syria, Libya, and Egypt. They are aware of the power of social networks to organize common people. And they realise that these technologies can be rendered harmless as long as people lack the tools and equipment to ACT against establishment power structures. The first priority then, has to be in disarming the population, just as Hitler did.


          • Thats what the second ammendment is for

      7. Make sure your geo-storage plan is in place!

      8. The FIRST of many steps to total gun confiscation.
        Ms. Feinstein, please review the oath you swore to uphold.

        The moment after you introduce such legislation, impeachment proceedings should begin. Ma’am, you are NOT above the law.

        • Thank you well said. She is a sellout and only a lying bitch. SHe is a conniver and should be taken out of office asap for even trying to break our laws. I hope all of you are ready to do what needs to be done, I mean this. If you choose to not standup burry them and if they ask where they are, all you have to say is I sold them at a gunshow. No tracking and was paid cash for them. There is no way they can find out, too much work and people just to find one weapon. With millions of them they cannot do this. I recommend that these liberals are breaking the laws.

          You do whats right in your heart and don’t be a sheep. Think about this. We are slaves to rich people that try to control us. They think by stripping our rights slowly and giving things to us will make us obey. You do whats right and standup even if you believe in freedom or not. I will not lay down. We True americans know the truth and laws. You can never do wrong by doing right!!!!!!

          • The sad thing is that it is not “they” who are stripping our rights. Millions of mentally-weak Americans are demanding that the government takes away their rights. Just look at a few of the posts HERE. There are people posting on this website who are demanding that the government solve all their problems…thankfully just a few. But the mentality IS out there. “Small government” is dead.


            • You are right, Dboy–I just checked the petition page.
              It’s bad folks, really bad.
              For my neighbors that voted for this POS, I have few words.

            • Dboy,

              You are “SPOT ON”!!

      9. We all knew this would happen 5 minutes after it happened. She’s so full of shit I can smell her from northern Michigan.

      10. It’s one thing for Congress and/or the ATF to make guns illegal, it’s another thing for them to enforce it. Shoving through a ban on semi-automatic weapons while not enforcing current laws–can you say Fast and Furious?–absolutely won’t fly with gun owners in this country. Obummer is an absolute idiot if he thinks he’ll be able to ram any sort of ban down our throats while he’s destroying the country while trying to tell us that he’s doing it for our own good. The tree of liberty is about to get watered on a large scale, my friends.

        • Gunn control one kicked in door at a time

          • Hopefully the kicking force will get thinned as they go down the many blocks they will have to go

            • FBP, thats called “culling” and it would. They start trying to take the guns and it would require a full blown SWAT operation and the states will not go along with it.

              Anyone hear what Morgan Freeman said about it?

              …you’ll be pleasantly surprised!

              • Morgan Freeman’s statement:

                “”You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here’s why.

                It’s because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
                people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he’ll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

                CNN’s article says that if the body count “holds up”, this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer’s face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer’s identity? None that I’ve seen yet. Because they don’t sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you’ve just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

                You can help by forgetting you ever read this man’s name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news.””

                • While I agree wholeheartedly with the words, it is most likely that Mr. Freeman didn’t say that.

                • Daisy, Sorry but you fell for a hoax. I can’t say I disagree with it though, but Morgan Freeman’s politics are as far left as they go. Just do a search on a few of those sentences.

        • No one wants to accept it but there is really very little that can be done if in fact they move to outlaw every gun. Bitch at me all you want but it is the truth. Trained teams against fat,out of shape and untrained home owners is no contest and they know it.

          • John W.,

            Can’t argue with your logic! You won’t be popular but you will be right!!

        • Based upon all the outrages to the Constitution he’s successfully perpetrated already, don’t be sure he won’t try and even be allowed to get away with it. Time to push back- HARD.

      11. This is the beginning of the end. Sadly, this will most likely become law because people are acting off their emotions rather than logical thinking. The government would love nothing more than to ban our weapons in case of civil unrest, social economic collapse or other tragedies that would cause the people to rise against the government. But the government never had the people on their side to do this. They do now. And the press will push the issue of the massacre and all other massacres for as long as our government demands them to. Keep the tragedy in the public eye to keep the public emotionally charged.

      12. The problem is not guns, its the erosion of a decent society. Blame video games and their disconnect from realityand the fact that asylums are no longer used. Ive seen my young relatives play these games and it is scary just to watch them. Rather than taking the mentally ill off the streets we pump them full of meds to be taken at their own descretion. It is becoming a more and more scary world. Plan B remove the pistol grips from your ARs?

        • I don’t see how video games are to blame for violence today, nor movies and television. For as long as humans existed there has been violence, murder, rape and all other horrors that we are all capable of committing. Kids understand that a game is a game, it does not desensitize them from anything, it is purely entertainment; pixels on a screen are just that. People think that these violent acts are becoming more prevalent and widespread. The reality is that as technology improves, so does communication and therefore the reporting of these violent acts. Now everyone in the world is capable of being aware of every single terrible act. Out of 7 billion people, only one or even several psychos mass murdered others is a pretty clean record to me.

          • your comment is so full of holes its not even funny.

            • Do you wish to challenge me on the subject instead of making a vague claim without even a hint as to why I am wrong? Not very professional. I am surprised you even got thumbs for it. I explained myself very thoroughly, the least you could do is oblige.

            • I am going to self analyze, as I see you never even responding. I will defend my argument

              1. “For as long as humans existed there has been violence, murder, rape and all other horrors that we are all capable of committing.” This is a fact, we are all capable of such crimes. The majority of us never have the intentions of doing so, but we all have the ability and we are all violent at one time or another.

              2. “Kids understand that a game is a game, it does not desensitize them from anything, it is purely entertainment”
              I suppose this is debatable. Although, kids DO understand the difference between a game and real life. They do not walk through the streets with assault rifles shooting at civilians, buildings, choppers and the like. They go to their Xbox and do it. Desensitization…that is the argument. I do not believe this happens myself. It is no more desensitizing than the news media reporting horrible graphic events(that actually happen and have an effect on people as we currently see).

              3. “People think that these violent acts are becoming more prevalent and widespread.”
              They really aren’t, technology just allows us to report all of them and as soon as they happen.

              4.”Out of 7 billion people, only one or even several psychos mass murder others is a pretty clean record to me.” This is essentially a fact expressed through opinion. We are all capable of killing others. In America, 70-80 million Americans own firearms legally. Those 70-80 million could kill others quite easily. But very few ever go on a massacre. This is a great accomplishment of the human race, the majority of the gun owners are responsible and peaceful. There are roughly 50 thousand gun related deaths a year…out of 70-80 million gun owners. And also take into account that many of those gun related deaths are criminals that do not even legally own guns and therefore won’t be counted as part of the 70-80 million legal gun owning Americans.

              According to the CDC, “The adverse health effects from cigarette smoking account for an estimated 443,000 deaths, or nearly one of every five deaths, each year in the United States; including 49,400 deaths per year from secondhand smoke exposure.”
              Cigarettes kill more people than these terrible, horrible, dangerous weapons that everyone wants to ban…and I am betting many of those second hand smoker are children too!!!

              Video Games are not responsible, or we would have a violent epidemic on our hands considering the amount of children and adults that play video games on a daily basis and are exposed to violent music, movies and TV(which is nearly everyone in the U.S)…Instead we get a few gun wielding psychopaths for every 70-80 million people that pop out every few years and get attention. Also note that Adam was not even a gun owner, and also not included in that 70-80 million figure.
              Be logical.

          • Tv shows, movies, and video games are more graphic then they were years ago….and the difference now is that there are no definitive lines between the “good guys” and the “bad guys”…..and there is virtually little or no parental interaction regarding these….when I was young, oh so many years ago….there was no internet, very little cable access….and we, as children, used our great imaginations to have fun….this is virtually non-existent in this day and age…..the wonderful part of my youth was my parents desire and ability to share the wonder of my and my siblings imaginations….

        • Blaming video games is just like blaming guns. The people made their own choices, not the stuff around them.

        • Back in the nineties the Tuttsi and Huttu killed 750,000 of each other with machetes. Where there is a will there is a way.

          • But neither group can stand up to official government forces armed with AK-47s with machetes in hand. The goal of gun control is not crime control. Governments can more easily govern when they possess a monopoly on coercive force.

      13. How about arming the teachers, movie workers, And any one else near large groups of people.

        Principal and teacher both got between kids and crazy person with Stolen Gun.

        But an empty hand is not nearly as affective as on with a gun

        • In my school days, there were many of times that I thought the teacher might kill someone. The students had just riled those teachers up to breaking point. I wouldn’t want my kid to be in school with a teacher locked and loaded.

          • that to is about the person not the weapon. If they are that close to cracking maybe they shouldn’t be there.

            • I agree completely. I don’t understand the thumbs down on my post, however. It is a factual statement of what I experience many times. I would not feel comfortable with a teacher owning a weapon around my child. Schools have a strict no weapon policy.

              • @GK
                I’m one of the people who gave you a, thumbs down…

                I did this because of thinking back in time, 30 plus years ago when I was in junior high. I was jacking my jaw like a Chihuahua on crack, (Hey… I was young and dumb) my science teacher was taking me to the office for disrupting his class. After having enough of it, I found myself body slammed into the lockers in the hallway. Did that get me to shut up?

                HELL YEA!!!

                I was shocked that a teacher would do this. Did I deserve this, just for being a mouthy Lil’ brat. No he went a Lil’ over board by today’s standard. But, I learned to shut up because I feared what he would do next.

                Sometimes that is what it takes to get a young mind to work. I would not have a problem today with the principle at my Lil’ hillbilly’s school tearing his tail up for getting out of line. He has already had his tail tore up at the house 3 times so far this school year. (The apple does not fall far from the tree) 🙂

                GK, I wish my boy’s teachers, those that choose to be CWP could carry at school. It is the STUPID law that says that can’t that pisses me off. It is the politicians who passed these stupid laws who have the blood of these children on their hands.

                Who is screaming for their blood? (Crickets say: chirp chirp…) I’m CWP and I say screw them. I pray that if my son’s school is ever attacked, that a teacher there felt the same way about STUPID laws that the psychopath ignored anyway.

                hillbilly SC

          • or maybe if the teachers were armed they wouldn’t push a teacher that far.

            which they shouldn’t anyway

            • Sounds a bit like a dictatorship by force and fear..Aren’t we all against such rule?

          • Too late!!

          • @ GregorKlusar
            In my day, I remember fellow students bringing rifles into school as part of ROTC. Funny though, school shootings like this NEVER HAPPENED back when you and I were in school. Even though guns were just as commonly owned back then. Even though gun laws were not nearly as strict as they are now. Nobody wants to talk about the real issue, that we have idiotically tried to “mainstream” the profoundly mentally ill.

            You might try reading this article, and reflecting upon it.

            They can pass all the gun bans they want: they won’t work. They might try to strip us of our defenses, but it won’t stop the insanity, because we are still letting the insane run loose in society

            • I was in ROTC for 2 years as a lad, we used high powered B.B guns for the rifle range and real weapons for rifle spinning, color guard, honor guard and when marching, although the guns were modified. The firing pins were removed, and the barrel was filled with either concrete or metal. Of course, it may have been different at your school.

              As I said earlier, these things have always happened, few and far between. They aren’t widely known because social communication was not as plentiful as it is now.

              Aug. 12, 1986: Five people are shot and one killed by a student at New York Technical College in Brooklyn.

              Nov. 26, 1985: A high school student in Washington State dies after shooting herself the previous day. Police say the female student earlier shot and killed two 14-year-old boys, one of them her former boyfriend.

              Oct. 23, 1985: The dean of Bates College in Maine is shot in the back by a sniper while standing in his kitchen in a house just off campus. The dean survives the shooting, and the captain of the school’s swim team is arrested in connection with the incident.

              Feb. 22, 1978: After being taunted for his beliefs, a 15-year-old self-proclaimed Nazi, kills one student and wounds a second with a Luger-style pistol in Lansing, Mich.

              Dec. 30, 1974: In Olean, N.Y., Anthony Barbaro, a 17-year-old Regents scholar armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday. Barbaro was reportedly a loner who kept a diary describing several “battle plans” for his attack on the school.

              May 4, 1970: Four students are killed and nine wounded when National Guard soldiers attempt to control an antiwar demonstration at Ohio’s Kent State University.

              Jan. 17, 1969: Two students are shot and killed at the University of California-Los Angeles during a student meeting.

              Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman climbs atop the observation deck at the University of Texas-Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31 during a 96-minute rampage.

              • Gregor,
                Charles Whitman was later found to have a brain tumor which accounted for his behavior. Also the students at the college many of whom had gun racks in their vehicles with weapons helped subdue the shooter. In fact a civilian and a police officier together took the shooter out. Look at the video footage and you will be amzed to see a dozen or so civilians with rifles taking positions and engaging the sniper.

                • Brain tumor or not it still happened and it continues to happen, but on rare occasion. It is not a good enough excuse to ban weapons for 99% of the law abiding citizens.

            • When I first got my drivers license @16 and could drive to school, I always had my 870 Remmy laying on the back seat. Manys the times you could pull into the student parking lot and see pickup trucks parked with shotguns on the rack in the back window. Most of us went hunting after school and it was never an issue. They’d bust your ass though if they caught you hookin school.

          • Arming teachers is a stupid idea. Many are already grossly self-important, and adding “protector” to their ego-driven self-image would make them believe they were Gods. I wouldn’t want any kid of mine around some Barney Fife teacher who thought they were “trained” because they sat through a one hour class five years ago.

            If the subject of sending your kid to a “professional” or “medication” is broached, politely accept any literature handed to you, and start working on homeschooling. You can always say (to yourself) “Over my dead body!”

            • You are misinformed–as a former teacher, I had inservice, 12 hours EVERY year to teach.
              I had CPR EVERY OTHER year to be in a classroom.
              Get a grip–I do believe training in handguns would be more intensive than CPR and inservice.

      14. I call them velociraptors! These soul-less beings use the murder of innocents to further their grab for control of the Earth. I will never give in. I will never surrender.

      15. Thank you for the article Mac.

        Not even if the liberal/progressive turds offer money for my collection will they get their filthy hands on it. Theft by any other name is still theft. Voluntarily surrendering our weapons to these Constitution/freedom hating monsters will only further weaken the nation.

        This is the moment in our history that kept the Founding Fathers awake at night, I’m sure.

        • You know, if this bill passes, as it likely will, you won’t have any choice. You will be left with three options.
          1.Give up weapons willingly.
          2.Have weapons taken by force.
          3. Fight back, eventually die and become a “martyr” to which the government would make you look like a terrorist and would only further support the cause to ban weapons.

          Either we all refuse, or our weapons are gone forever.

          • i was just calling to report those guns stolen.

            those darn criminals ya just can’t trust em

          • If pressed, I’ll pick #3 and take as many of those zombies with me as I can.

          • GregorKlusar,

            Giving up weapons is not an option. Not when we know the horrific lessons history teaches us about global civilian disarmament. It always ends badly for those who resist and for those who comply. At least those who resist have “attrition” on their side.

            If this is the point in our history that the Founding Fathers feared the most, and why they created the Second Amendment, then it is an imperative that Americans not be disarmed at this specific point in our history IMO.

            I believe option #3 will take care of #2. That is not me being a loose cannon in any way. That’s just me not wanting to be governed by tyrants and a government created class of parasites who can and will do anything, to anyone, at anytime, for any reason with impunity. That is my definition of hell.

            • I certainly hope the 70-80 million gun wielding Americans will stand their ground. It will take all of us, including non gun owning Americans if we are to ensure our freedom.

            • How we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if, during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes? Or what about the Black Maria sitting on the street? What if it had its tires spiked? The cursed machine would have ground to a halt! – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

          • There is a fourth option. Don’t let them know what you have.

            Black powder pistols and multiple extra cylinders can be bought with cash and leave no record at all. Get plenty of powder, primers, and lead. You save money by not having to buy brass. Preload the extra cylinders. When you empty one cylinder, you can replace it with another preloaded cylinder pretty quickly.

            • Just watched a youtube video on the confiscation on weapons in Australia…they are warning Americans not to fall for this BS agenda

            • they will come for those/ too.

        • Feinswine was behind turning the water off to Central valley farmers which destroyed orchards that had been thirty and forty years in the building. All for a little non native fish. No money was offered and she and Boxer have refused to even consider a change of policy. They will flush us down the toilet like the turds they think we are.

      16. zyGooz love unarmed serfs. Just ask the Palestinians.

      17. And suddenly, all FEMA camps will be activated.

      18. Google “Feinstein’s CCW” third find down will show that she had a CCW when she was threatened, but gave it up after the threat passed. Ok for her the have it, but not the public at large. hypocrite!

      19. They are going to be used for hunting people like her real soon. That is probably her only reason fro wanting to ban these guns.

      20. A traitor before a camera lens is still just a traitor.



      22. Guns are not the problem!

        When i grew up highschool students routinely had guns in their cars in the school parking lot

        Hunting before or after school And even the sketchy kids would look at you as if you wre crazy if you sugestedtaking a gun in school.

        in the old days even the stupid kids had more sense thab this

        • Born and raised in Iowa. Kid named Ray brought a 30-06 rifle into shop class in junior high to have the shop teacher take a look. It wasn’t ejecting shells correctly. The shop teacher, named Earl, took it apart and fixed it right in front of us.

          Ray said to Earl as he was fiddling with the bolt “it’s a bolt action”. My cousin Danny being the trained smart-ass that he was piped up; “yeah Ray he can see that”. Lots of laughter erupted. The only reason I remember this was the laughter. Other than that it was completely unremarkable.

          Earl then told Ray to put it back in his locker. This was ~1970. Nobody batted an eye.

          • now Ray gets arrested and at ;east expelled.

            THen Earl gets fired.

            And everyone remembers

            • An honor student at my son’s HS was suspended for the entire school year and sent to the “alternative school” last year for leaving his deer rifle on the rack in his truck last fall.

              I work at a school in the next county over, where the neighborhood consists of 42 separate gangs in a town of less than 20,000 people. Do we punish the honor student who hunts and maintains straight A’s and works on his family’s farm or do we try to clean up neighborhoods where illegal firearms are owned by just about everyone? Oh, and I’m defenseless in my classroom, even though I have a CCP, training, etc. because it’s illegal to even possess my legally obtained firearm on school property.

              Gun laws are a joke. Thanks, America from keeping me from protecting myself from criminals, gang bangers, and violent felons. If something happened at my school, I’d be shot in the hands covering my head like those poor teachers in CT.

              • But Tarheelbilly don’t you see? Even though your response here is very good common sense, there are those out there that don’t possess that. Therefore, you run a risk of becoming a victim of not wanting to become a victim.

        • If you are the GOVERNMENT, and want to do things without interference by the PEOPLE, then guns definitely ARE a problem.


        • One of the things I noticed between the bill she is currently proposing and the previous one has to do with
          the statement;

          “It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession, not retroactively, but prospectively.”

          The bill from november said listed items would not be grandfathered and today she stated on Meet the Press that it would be “not retroactively, but prospectively.”

          Either way it’s not good.

          • I’m guessing the reason she changed the language in the bill from “not being grandfathered” to “not retoactively, but prospectively” had to do with the fact that the first one probably would not have gotten passed.

            By changing it to not “retroactively, but prospectively,” people will assume if you already own them then you are OK. People will be more willing to pass a bill that basically is saying “future sales are banned”.

            My guess is that by changing the wording they will get it passed. Then a couple of months from now another tragedy will happen and they will come back indicating that they need to change the existing law to include the gradfather clause.

            Just a guess. Kinda like “creeping”. Start with one law then keep adding to it.

          • To me it sounds like by using “retroactively” it means they won’t procedure you if you bought one before the ban (unless you don’t turn it in.) I don’t see anything in the wording that suggests to me that what you already own you can keep. It seems to be an attempt to create a phrase which means confiscation but won’t sound like confiscation while they debate the bill.

            • I don’t know…I’m just guessing. They probably will get the wording so muddled that it will be hard to tell. I saw another spot on her today where the wording was “future sales….”. Who knows.

          • One thing to consider is that retroactive (ex post facto) legislation is unconstitutional. Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3

      23. ‘Congress To Move Against Guns: “It Will Ban the Sale, the Transfer, the Importation and the Possession”’

        No it won’t. It would be suicide to try to confiscate, ban or otherwise declare firearms illegal. Suicide for politicians, suicide for law enforcement, suicide for the entire effort. What they WILL do, however, is change what’s available domestically. The weapons are only half of the equation. Do I really need to spell it out for you?

        • on the other hand great way to boost the economy

          gun and ammo sales are way up

          suppose you have to start somewhere

        • Just curious BlackDog, do you think that the police where you live will go house to house searching for/confiscating weapons? I’m trying to picture it in my neck of the woods, but I just don’t see it happening. Not as if they don’t have ENOUGH on their plates already; ya know, what with protecting and serving and fighting crime and all.

          Btw, does anyone else here have ANY intention of ever giving up so much as a single round? And, do we all start to band together to protect one another? Just askin’

        • Ten million more third world immigrants and they will be able to pass any law and do anything they want. That has been part of the plan all along.

      24. Firearms are tools to commit great acts of violence or valor. You can only do so much to reduce tools before you’re left with nothing to blame but the individual, edged weapons have caused more deaths than projectile wielding weapons. An instance of an unstable Chinese individual killing 22 with a kitchen/butcher knife is one example. Blades have been killing people since the stone age, are compact, silent and even more deadly in the right hands. I guarantee the deaths by that are expotentially higher than firearms, yet you don’t see restriction on those now…

        • OH YES YOU DO! The are VERY restricted in the UK. VERY. I work with a guy that makes knives as a sideline and he follows this stuff.

          You’d be surprised how restrictive they are. I think 3″ blade is max and if you use a knife for self defense, its jailtime for you.

          • There is some legislation regarding knives in Canada too.

            You can carry non-prohibited knives, but they must not be concealed.

            There are some knives that are prohibited. They are ” a knife with a retractable or folding blade which, by design or through wear, will open by centrifugal force or gravity, or by a spring or similar device. This has been interpreted by the courts to include a butterfly knife; a push dagger, namely a knife where the blade is perpendicular to the handle; any item under 30 cm which looks like another object but which conceals a blade.”

            There is no length restriction on blades.

            You are also wise in Canada to refer to your knife as a “tool” instead of a “weapon” – this comes directly from a provincial police officer. It’s noted in the Criminal Code: a weapon is “any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use (a) in causing death or injury to any person, or (b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person….”

            • …and here I am sniffing around for Katana-length swords.

              Oh well. fuck ’em. I’m buying two (the missus was talking about a halberd-like weapon for her, but she’s 6′ tall and rather stocky, so she can swing one pretty well…)

            • I’d rather be in a jail than a cemetary.

      25. Interesting that no “assault weapons” were used in this senseless attack on children. Unless a semi-auto pistol is now an assault weapon.

        • Your name, Chandlers dad…LMAO!

        • Please…..don’t allow fact to get in the way of a good case of hysteria.

        • No assault weapons

          come on in time of crisis

          don’t confuse the issue with the facts

        • According to recent reports on CNN, a Bushmaster AR was found WITH the suspect (not in the trunk as previously reported). The reporting is still fluid though.


      26. This punishing the law abidding folks you can find.

        Cause it’s to hard to solve the real problem.

        Bad people do bad things

        with a machette there would have just as many fatalities.
        Although he would be alive to drag it through the legal system.

      27. I will not turn in my bows. The French considered them to be an assault weapon during the battle of Agincourt. So Pluck Yew Feinstein, I will not register them or turn in my high capacity quivers.

        As it’s been said, this is no surprise. The surprise will be if the cowardly and stupidly out flanked and out maneuvered GOP will grow a backbone and some grey matter between the ears. Most likely they will compromise another piece of our constitution to the knee jerk, opportunistic, conniving, agenda driven, Feinsteinesk dog wads that occupy the Democrat party.

      28. There is a lot of BS going around, The rifle was found in the trunk. He used two pistols in the shooting. I don’t even believe it is an AR-15.
        Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste

        • obamas comments included the movie shooting as well as chicago streets. he’s going for the UN small weapons ban.

        • Early reports that I had read clearly stated that a Bushmaster .223 was found in the car. Then reports started placing the Bushmaster in the school, and, that it was the primary weapon used. Funny how it migrated.

          • Scavenger,
            The truth will be what ever they want it to be and what best fits their agenda. The media is totally on their side and payroll. You don’t get hired in the media unless you pass the agreeing with their point of view test.

      29. Such a law is counter productive. I absolutely guarantee that an attempt to enforce such a law will result in a number of deaths several orders of magnitudes greater than one of these tragedies. I hope any law enforcement agents that may come to disarm me believe in that action enough to risk their lives and enough to be willing to take mine. I shall never surrender my arms. There is a point which I am certainly willing to fight and die for. I took an oath once to protect and defend the CONSTITUTION!!! I meant it then. I mean it now. They may not understand what they would fight and possibly die for, but I sure as hell do! Molan Labe!

        • I second that! You can pass all the illegal laws you want you stupid bitch. Estamos jodidos and myself will not lay down and you will kill more innocent people all for your beliefs that are illegal. This will be the biggest mistake and you will not be able to blame this on the republicans. We follow laws and believe in helping young and old people. We are good people that protect areas we live in when police are not around. You will see more deaths and damage than you can ever imagine if you do this. Diane you are a sellout. You make deals under the table for cash to be sent to your accounts overseas while we the people are being lied to and your power hungery asses stay in power even when your 80 years old. Is it that addictive diane? Do you get a kick screwing people over and seeing people hurt and broke. YOu have done more damage and deaths than anyone simply because you pass laws that are illegal. You will regreat this diane and the people all around feel the same way. People will not give up their rights. I guarantee this

          • A reminder,

            “An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.”

            -Norton v. Shelby County, US Supreme Court Decision 118 US 425, 442 (in 1886)

            ….dwell on that for a bit Ladies and Gentlemen.

            • It’s also not “legal” for the government to torture people, or lock them away on an island without trial, or smash digital cameras, or break up peaceful protests, or prevent workers from freely associating, or starting wars against defenseless enemies, or seizing assets without due process….and yet they do it.


            • While this particular case(norton v shelby county) did not concern gun ownership, the quote from within the argument is valid….


          • That is one of the reasons the SF-itch and her ilk are desirous of banning weapons…because as things get worse – on their watch – for the American people and more do die because of their decisions (Obamacare, loss of income, food shortages, etc), they are very concerned that they will be the targets of our anger as we fall off of their “fiscal cliff!” Bulls Eye!!

      30. Heres my question to you folks,
        Why should we relinquish our constitutional rights? Is this not the reason for the second ammendment? Would not the defenition of treason be elected officials attempting to infringe upon our constitutional rights? Should not our duty as patriotic Americans be to assure that there are no further assaults upon our liberties? Would you just lay down and allow your rights to be taken so your kids can live under continually increasing repression?

        • ATF I hope you record all of this what we are saying because we are in the right and this is nothing but abuse of power by this self centered stupid bitch. She can drop dead. Take a vacation and enjoy your life, we don’t need someone who sells out for money and screws over innocent people and their lives you stupid whore. Us patriotic people are here to protect this great nation from all foreign and domestic threats. You are wrong and can shut the fuck up. We are not in the wrong bitch! You are. We are following laws, maybe you should try it sometime you 2 faced snake. I can’t stand her and these sellout!! We will not lay down and have our rights taken over.

        • “Would you just lay down and allow your rights to be taken so your kids can live under continually increasing repression?”

          Ask most Americans this question and you would not like the answer. Americans are BEGGING to have their rights taken away. They want to be taken care of. They want government to be responsible for their lives. And it’s not just democrats. This is a widely-held feeling of both democrats and republicans.


          • Unfortunate to be sure, wasnt it Franklin who said a person who will trade freedom for security deserves neither? Im feeling that quote, i want nothing from government, except for them to leave me alone.

      31. I have 2 words for you Senator; Molon Labe. I have another 2 words, but I will leave them to your imagination.

        • diane Feinstein, we the people have no repsect, zip for your lies and bullshit.We don’t have time for your lying sellout for money 2 faced ways you stupid bitch. You are the problem not hard working honest people. IF you do this you will have millions of people that will not just do what you want, but will cause many many more deaths! I suggest you stepdown out of office and retire and enjoy your life. You have pushed people to far if you try this and you are a conniver and your nothing more than a self centered lying cold hearted bitch!!! That is all you are.

      32. CT has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country and the use and transportation of the weapons used by the mentally ill man were against the law. He chose to attack an area guaranteed to be gun free.

        Why do people think that if you disarm the law abiding, the criminals and mentally ill will turn against violence.

        It will be interesting to hear our justice department’s take on this considering their recent support for the arming of criminals with assault weapons under Operation Fast & Furious…surely Holder and company will believe that law abiding citizens should have the same gun rights he has supported for Mexican drug cartels!

        • havn’t you heard the fast and furious thing is just PR campain by those rasically republicans

      33. United State Military Questionnaire, since 1993: Question 46 – “The US government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon US citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the US government.”

        The question is not if they will do this, the question is “what will YOU do when they do?”

        • The ole 29 Palms Survey, yeah we can’t forget this one, +1…..

          • You can bet they haven’t.

      34. Its sad how quickly the tragedy of kids and teachers gets turned into a politcal agenda by MSM and the Left.

        The most puzzling part of this whole thing is where was the security guard? I read where the principle, psychologist, and several teachers lost their lives protecting the kids.

        Did this school have a security guard?

        • Most schools don’t have security guards. Some have “school resource officers” but not all.

      35. I read the other day where a Union Boss threatened ‘bloodshed’ over the Right to Work law. Maybe the FBI should investigate and check out his arsenal.

        All threats should be investigated, including the Boss’s statement.

      36. Against all enemies, foreign and domestic….

      37. Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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        by Mike Benner
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        Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM
        Updated yesterday at 10:32 AM
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        PORTLAND — Nick Meli is emotionally drained.  The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire.
        “I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, ‘are you serious?,'” he said.
        The friend and baby hit the floor.  Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.
        “He was working on his rifle,” said Meli.  “He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side.”
        The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.
        “As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them,” he said.
        Meli took cover inside a nearby store.  He never pulled the trigger.  He stands by that decision.
        “I’m not beating myself up cause I didn’t shoot him,” said Meli.  “I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself.”
        The gunman was dead, but not before taking two innocent lives with him and taking the innocence of everyone else.
        “I don’t ever want to see anyone that way ever,” said Meli.  “It just bothers me.”
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        • …and he was confronted and stopped by a CCW, not the cops and not mall security. The LameStream lies by omission. Good example is this. No one ever heard of this because the LSM BURIED IT!!!

      38. the polics of government and the way they do things is wrong, they have no concept of reality.. so therefore it is my belief that if everyone was allowed to carry a gun anywhere, then tragadies like this would never happen, after all the evil people are removed by their actions then the crime rate will drop
        a disarmed public is a fearful public, because criminals dont obey the law and are armed to the teeth and yet the cops dont show up fast so why cant we be armed just as good as the criminals?

        • Deano, keep saying it, often, to people who do not understand. Good verbage, practice it and repeat often.

      39. I didnt see anywhere in there that they said anything about paying us for them..what, do they think they are going to get them for free?


      40. Second Amendment is not about the right to bear arms to hunt game but rather to resist tyrannical government. Thirty round magazines come in handy for that.

        • muskets were military comparable for the day. Ar 15 and ak 47s are military comparable now.

          they should be happy we gon’t claim a right to rocket propelled grenades and M60s

          • Heck, I want a rocket propelled grenade, and the place to play with it..

          • Maybe you don’t. I do! Read The 2A over a few times and look up a few words and you’ll find, it recognizes an unlimited right. TOTALLY UNLIMITED and anyone that tries to limit it commits a crime of the highest order.

      41. Doubt her Bill will get through the House. This could backfire on the New Marxist Party and their Islamarxist President. She might make the people in New Yuck or San Fagcisco happy but we Red State Red Necks are not going to “go along to get along”.

        I believe that this is a political wedge to be used against the GOP. The goal being taking back the House so Czar Barry can have a 3rd,4th, 5th, term. Until his girls are old enough to take over.

      42. ‘Scuse me while I whip this out..,’

        Tadpole Jenkins, 3rd cousin to my friend Bubba, was in town the other day. He don’t wander into town very often, usually just to do his yearly shopping. I saw him out front of the post office, arguing with Milton, one of our local Barney Fifes.
        ‘Dang it, Tadpole! They was right to tell you to leave! You can’t wear your sidearm into the post office. It’s a federal building.’
        Tadpole, who’s about 70 years old, but in better physical shape than most guys half his age, just scowled, ‘Dammit, Milt! I wore this gun to my wedding. I wore it to my wife’s funeral last year. I carried one like it in Viet Nam. Hell, I been carrying since my 8th grade graduation. I ain’t surrenderin’ my arms for nobody.’
        Milt looked a little nervous. He knows about Tadpole’s temper when he gets riled. ‘Now look, I ain’t wanting no trouble with you, but you can’t carry in the post office. Besides, I’m not even asking you for your permit. I’m lettin’ that slide.’
        Tadpole just fumed, ‘Permit?! My permit is my God-given right to defened myself. You wanna see THAT?!’
        ‘Now, Tadpole, I said I wasn’t wanting no trouble. Why don’t you go buy your stamps at the grocery store? They sell ’em there…and they don’t care if you come in the store armed.’
        I could see Milt was more than a little scared that the situation was getting out of hand. (Milt is a bit of a dipstick sometimes, but overall, not a bad kid.) I decided to help him out.
        I said, ‘Say Tadpole, if stamps is all you need, I just bought three books of ’em. How many you need?’
        He pulled out a twenty, ‘Just one book would do. Thanks, okie.’
        I didn’t have any change, so we decided to skip the currency and just barter for the stamps. He put his wallet away and handed me six shiney .45 shells. I gave him the stamps and turned to leave.
        ‘Just a minute. What about my change?’
        I fished in my jacket pocket and came up with three .22 shells, ‘Will that do?’
        He smiled and pocketed the 22’s. ‘Right on the money. I like a guy with exact change. ‘Preciate it.’

        • Actually, it is quite legal to carry a sidearm or a long gun into the post office. If you read the federal law regarding that, it says not guns but the exemptions later in the law exempt CCWs and people hunting or for whatever purpose.

          So many people just listen to what other people say. …especially if those other people are on the TV. The brainwashing of America takes place at 60hz.

          • 60Hz is the cycle rate for electricity in the US.
            The refresh rate for NTSC television is 29.97 fps.

          • Thanks for the correction, NetRanger. I honestly didn’t know that. Of course, there’s still lots of stuff I’m having to unlearn from my sheeple days. Thanks to Mac, and a hundred or so regulars here, I’m starting to fill in the gaps.

          • NetRanger, not funny–because I believe when the super soldiers & the brainwashed begin the onslaught of we patriots, the tv WILL be used.
            Crazy?? Or what?

        • @okie….I just have to say I truely enjoy your “tales” and wish you would put them all together for the “Wit and Wisdom of a Smokin’ Okie”…..I am sure there would be many other people other than myself who would line up to purchase such a novel literary offering…… 🙂
          Thank You!


          • Thanks FOB. You’re far too kind. 🙂

            • @okie…Nope…not kind, just state the truth as I see it – you smokin’ okie!! You are one of a kind…and I appreciate that…btw…I am a big OU fan…Big OU fan…..:)


        • Ahhhhh…. another Okie anecdote. One of the main reasons I come here. Many thanks ‘ol boy!

      43. “These weapons are not use for hunting”, THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AGRUMENT THAT THESE LIBERAL ANTI-SELF DEFENSE, ANTI-PROTECTION CREEP WILL USE TO TRY TO BAN HANDGUNS ALSO. Those whom want to take away your self protection also want to take away your rights to free speech. These libturds want to make you into andriods all walking around with stupid little smiles on everyone’s faces and nodding up and down like those bobble heads.

        I would hope that not one single person would use this horrible tragedy for political and/or agenda gain, but there are some slimey people that will. There are pieces of garbage out there that will use this devil’s work to abolish gun rights. There are people too stupid to realize that getting rid of guns will not help the situation, but they do want to protect children and other innocents, they are just ignorant and are not bad people. Then there are those that just want to get rid of gun rights, TASER rights, stun gun rights, pepper spray rights, ALL self defense rights for the innocents to protect themselves. Those scum are the evil because they give the advantage to the criminal and the maniacs.

        I can understand in which someone honestly doesn’t understand the dynamics of gun control and how destructive it is towards giving the criminal the advantage and take away the deterrent, they just don’t get it. However there are a large section of the population that just want to FORCE everyone to behave and think a certain way, their tunnel vision of some unrealistic utopia that EVERYONE MUST accept or they are the problem. These liberal tards want everyone to be political correct no matter what and will attempt to pass laws and regulations to make you fully comply with them. They want you fully assimilated, so you have no opinion of your own, they want you to be just a regurgitation of what society and the masses says and thinks.

        You see, to the liberal tard that wants to take away gun rights, unless you recycle your sh^&, drive an electric car that cost twice as much to charge up in an electic kilowatts than gasoline, drink only a certain size soft drink, use proper language on all counts even though the constitution guarantees free speech, and too much else to mention, you are the problem to them.

        They preach freedom, yet these hypocrites shove you into a corner miles away from an event like some dictator does to prevent you from having your word and say. They preach freedom, yet put all sorts of restrictions on how you can behave if it just might offend someone. They take Santa Claus and Christmas away from streets because it “offends” some bah humbugs scoorges that hate for others to celebrate their holiday and or their belief. They preach freedom yet they don’t allow a person to carry a non lethal stun devices to stop a vicous dog from ripping you apart.

        Yes, I am fully for gun rights, but I am also for others’ rights not being taken away to live their own personal lives without infringing on others’ rights. It is not just guns here, it is basic freedom. It use to be if someone being sexual harassed you could say something like get away from me you faggot or dyke, now you can be nailed for gay bashing. It is accepted that some homo comes on to someone from either gender that this is their right, but if you respond to their sexual advancements you have committed some gay rights violation.

        I am not affiliated with any particular religion, I do believe in God, but I fully support the rights of others to practice their belief. As long as someone is not harassing another and trying to pester someone to death, what is wrong with someone putting up a scene with Christ in it to honor Christams. For pete’s sake there are liberal strongholds that won’t even allow any form of Christams to be displayed. Yet they sure allow gay pride parades right down main street. If this is not a double standard I don’t know what is.

        Yeah, I am upset about gun rights and self defense rights so the innocent can protect themselves from this evil that is being unleashed. I am also upset about the hypocritic stance of these liberals on basic freedoms. There way is perfectly OK, but when it comes to another enjoying freedom that doesn’t conform to the lib tard aura of acceptance, then they attempt to lawyer up to deny that freedoms guaranteed under the Bill of Rights. It is is not just gun rights, it is fairness and basic common sense towards so many other rights that are being attempted to be prohibited and watered down. That is the real undertone here that people need to address.

        • Awesomely stated, excellent points now its time to stand up and UNITE.

        • Spot on BI! I for one would use an AR or an AK for hunting. But my main reason for owning them is for protecting my rights, my family and myself. As for putting rights first, without them, my personal belief is that there is no life.

      44. California COWARD is shooting up a parking lot ..think 50 rounds fired

      45. NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. – A man was arrested after firing about 50 shots in the parking lot of a Southern California shopping mall, prompting a lockdown of stores crowded with holiday shoppers.

        Marcos Gurrola, 42, of Garden Grove was taken into custody by bicycle police officers patrolling around the open-air Fashion Island mall around 4:30 p.m. Saturday, police spokeswoman Cathy Lowe said. She said he fired into the air and onto the ground in the parking lot near a Macy’s department store.

      46. Here we go people

        A man was arrested with 47 guns, according to a Dec. 16 Global Gazette report. A northern Indiana man named Von I. Meyer, 60, of Cedar Lake threatened an elementary school near his home.

        When police searched Meyer’s home, they found 47 guns and ammunition throughout his Cedar Lake residence.

        Maybe its time for the packing crowd to take out the trash our courts and society have allowed to walk among us?

        • Or maybe this is all Bull Shit brought to us by bad info?

          Its getting to the point where most if not all of this is planned

          • who’s word can we trust?

            are we all going to start getting “set up”

      47. And so begins the Boots on theground, 2nd American Revolution.

        • Third.

      48. Where is the outrage when gun owners are being profiled????

        Or is this only valid when profiling is used against a minority?

      49. I can’t believe how pathetic you morons are. You are not smart enough to be allowed to have even a BB gun. Too bad you don’t shoot your own eye out.

        • Yo, dumb ass, didn’t I run into you on another web site spouting the same crap? Apparently, you are on a repeating loop. Get a new thought.

          Sign me,
          Armed in East Tennessee

        • JoeinNC- I know a guy who did lose an eye. But only one of ’em. He said….”Fill your hand, you son of a bitch!”
          I’m with him…

          • John Wayne as Rooster Cogburn in the “original” True Grit….

        • Second time in the same thread!

          Go fuck yourself!

        • joe in nc if you are really from nc or just a damn yankee who lives here in nc i dont know but you dont speak for all of us tarheel men who love our constitution and our liberties and know our rights come from God and not the govt, even the 2nd admendment comes from the new testament so or back to russia,china,england or what ever rock you came out underneath and we will forget you were ever amongst us.

      50. People we are up against Half of the Country the Liberal Democrats, The UN, The MSM, and countless, Faceless Obama Voters..They have said They WANT Our Guns, you will be a lawbreaker if you keep, transfer, sell your semi-auto Rifles! And either be Killed or put In Prison..WHEN are we going to tell Them HELL NO? When they are kicking in our Front door? We need to go to DC by the Millions, with our weapons and Protest this Outrage! We have a cure built into the Constitution, its time To Water The Tree! I will never surrender any of my arms Legal or Otherwise..People this is the Start of Civil War II….

      51. It is you fuckheads with your “keep you hands off my guns, even ones which have no legitimate civilian purpose” that have brought this about. If you idiots had one ounce of common sense, you would realize that unfettered access to guns would lead to to these actions. You have brought this upon yourselves and gun owners who have common sense. And don’t give me that stupid bullshit about having guns to fight government tyranny. Government forces have tanks, artillery and helicopter gunships. If the government chose to bring these to bare on the population, I do not care how many AR-15’s you have, you would be toast. Although I believe witht the delusions I see expressed here, you idiots would try to fend off a tank with an AR-15 then wonder why it ended badly for you. And yes, I own guns.

        • Hello Joe,

          Ever wonder how a small Southeast Asia country defeated a world superpower? Small people with limited education. Lightly clothe. Bare foot. A small bag of rice and a bamboo canteen. Killed more than 58,000 of us.

          All our tanks,artillery, air power did not prevail.


          • “All our tanks,artillery, air power did not prevail.


            …leftist politics, unfortunately.

            Now if we were allowed to turn Hanoi into a B-52 carpet-bombed parking lot on a regular basis…

            • That war could not be won regardless what was done. Changing a peoples politics requires a political solution. Killing a communist gets you a dead communist but converts no one over to capitalism. Read “A Bright Shining Lie” by John Paul Vann.

              Curtis LeMay said, “I’ll bomb them back into the stone age”. He forgot that for all intent and purpose they were already in the stone age. They did not manufacture their own weapons hence you have no industry to destroy. They fought China for 1000 years and France for 100.

              There are limits to raw power. Fly’s cannot be effectively killed with sledge hammers.

              A peoples tenacity has time and time again been underestimated by major powers and leaders throughout history.

              • General Giap said, “I will loose 100 men for every one of yours but you will eventually tire and leave. I cannot leave for I have nowhere else to go”.

                Giap was one of the greatest military leaders in history. He is working on almost 100 years old now.

            • They had a bunch of traitor congressmen on their side. Most of them are still in place.
              And yes, I was spit on when I came back through the LA airport in uniform.

          • OH OH I KNOW! (And it’s NOT because of leftist politics). I know Vietnam and the Vietnamese people very well (and likely you DON’T). The reasons they won:

            1) The Art of War…to win an offensive war you must have 3 times the force of the defending army. The US did not have this.

            2) the Vietnamese would NEVER have surrendered. They would have fought to the VERY LAST man…the US was NEVER willing to commit to that type of war

            3) The US was on the wrong side. The US chose to support a minority power elite, against the majority of the population.

            4) safe havens, and superior military strategy by the Vietnamese

            5) And most importantly, the Vietnamese had ALREADY been at war, on a near-constant basis since around 1944. They had an extremely skilled and experienced fighting force, well-developed supply lines, and the will to fight for their freedom. Americans seem to think that Freedom is a uniquely-American value..It isn’t. The Vietnamese people were not fighting for Communism. They were fighting for Nationalism and Freedom. And they were willing to die to protect their freedom. And they were right to do that.


            • Dboy

              Accurate analysis

          • Ho Chi Minn trail, a bicycle for a pack mule, women and children pushing those loaded bicycles along the trail…..anybody here still own a pair of “thousand milers”? Their logistics were crude but damn effective.

        • Joe, I was going to dress you down, but, as I now see you as a shill, go screw yourself, I’ll not give you the satisfaction. You sound like an ignorant moron but I can tell that you’re not. You’re either a provocature or a shill. Either way, I will ignore you posts from now on. You get the idiot click.

          Everything you says is wrong and you give mixed signals.

          Later ShillinNC.

          • Netranger, Joe would reply, but he’s too busy licking Feinstein’s wrinkly asshole

        • Yo. Joe Dirt (bag),

          the second amendment is EXACTLY there for the Gov’t troops and tanks etc. Guess what, ALL my buddies and I are ex Military. I would LOVE to get my hands on a tank if they come for me. Or any other goodies they bring to the game. In WW2 the Americans air dropped little .45 single shot pistols into the occupied territories. The thinking was, you use the 1 shot to get yourself something bigger, then use that for something even bigger etc.


        • Sadly, joe….you would be someone who would not be welcomed in any natural disaster situation….your thoughts are disjointed and you come across as a whiner…..and, whilst you may agree with your perceived other’s “delusions I see expressed here, you idiots would try to fend off a tank with a AR-15 then wonder why it ended badly for you”, you paint others with the same brush as you have painted do not acknowledge any intelligence within this group here, nay, you denigrate them whenever possible……. If it came to a point where this Country was invaded, I would not ever depend upon you for “going to the point”…….
          I wish you well….and I wish you a Merry Christmas


        • “legitimate civilian purpose”

          You have no idea what you are talking about. The Second Amendment was NEVER about hunting. It was ALWAYS about protecting the private citizen-soldier as a counter-balance to the power of the central government.


        • Westmorland said the same thing to Vo Nguyen Giap. I think the USSR said something similar to the Afghans.

        • JoeinNC

          When a government unleashes heavy weapons upon itself it succeeds only in destroying it’s own infrastructure which it must replace while alienating the remaining civilian population converting them to the opposition. The more power it uses the more it looses.

          Here is an example. The VC would set up a mortar in a village and fire on the ARVN / USA forces knowing in short order a barrage of 105 and 155 shells would be coming in. The mortar team would flee and the village would be destroyed. The following day the VC would parade the villagers from neighboring villages through the area. The VC just gained a whole lot of very motivated recruits.

          You can’t kill fly’s with sledgehammers.

        • Oh horseshit joe!!!

          …you claim to own guns!?!

          Why is it you lack the brains to recognize/identify the reason we need them….& the balls/gonads to defend their legitimate purpose in society??????

          YOU’RE THE EPITOME OF A YELLOW F#*KING COWARD….and are hereby commanded to surrender said WEAPONS, AMMO & what little balls you possess… somebody with the guts to use them…when the time comes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • We’ll start the civil war by getting rid of folks like you.

      52. Say how many people did that guy burn up with a gallon of gas in that stairwell a while back?
        Its the person not the weapon that is the problem.
        You could dump a 100 high powered rifles with big mags in the school yard and if no one loaded them or used them everything would be fine.

        • Three guys (or so) with a U-Haul (well, Ryder truck), fertilizer, and diesel fuel managed to take down an OK City building and kill well over 150 people.

          • Nah–there were more than that there –compliments of the govt.

      53. Which begs the question, what are you doing here?

        • for joe in nc

      54. What will come next? Will all of our guns be taken away? If this bill to ban fails to pass, will obama sign yet another EO with much hidden within it? Or, if it does pass, what else will be included in the very fine print? Our handguns, shotguns, and rifles? Have you noticed how many shootings there have been very recently? Most have been limited in the number of victims,(and I do not mean to sound as if I am discounting any life- just stating statistics) but the frequency seems to be escalating…..


        • If we don’t act now under the constitution then we are truly finished and you may as well get your suitcase ready for the train ride

        • Thats what i worry about, an EO, fast implement by DHS and no action on legal challenge to an unlawful seisure

      55. “would eliminate grandfather protections altogether, meaning that ownership of such firearms would be illegal and subject to criminal prosecution.”

        Lets hope she puts the above language in. With any luck their ego and zeal will be writing checks like this that their political capital cannot cash.

        • There is no way they’ll be able to take them from us. The states won’t go along and if the congressmorons pass it, they be putting the law enforcement officers in the state at risk. …and, I’m better a lot would quit in light of its passage.

          BRING IT ON! This showdown has to come sooner or later. I’d rather it be sooner while I’m younger. I figure I’ve only got 30 more years before I can’t shoot any better than a government jackboot.

          The forces of evil see one of their own footsoldiers make a strike so they can continue the war. Liberals got an early Christmas present at the expense of 20 sinless children in Connecticut.

          Evil knows no shame.

          Someone please remind Ms. Feinlib that 99.9% of these types of things happen in Gun Free Zones. Please ask her to explain that. Explain to her that she just looks like a fool to the rest of the planet.

          Gun Free Zones kill because good people cannot defend themselves and cops can’t get their to do anything but cleanup.

          • The states will absolutely go along with whatever Uncle Sugar tells them to do. The Feds will threaten to withhold “federal money” for whatever, roads, schools, etc.
            And the states, with very few exceptions, are in shit-shape, financially. The feds threaten to cut off the gravy-train, and the states fight over who gets to go first.

            Cops would quit? No way.
            OK, maybe 3 of them will.
            Out of all the cops you see, how many are dressed in para-military gear every day?
            How many get out of their cars and talk to people in the neighborhood?
            None of them will want to be first, but they’ll be happy to show up in kevlar with tactical weaponry.

          • NetRanger

            If you would like some fun (and good exercise) drive a few dozen 2ft long pieces of 3/4″ rebar about 20″ long throughout your yard (especially where you wish to plant trees in the future). You then wait until the big search commences and watch them dig up your property. As they uncover a rebar say, “better luck next time, maybe try over there”. Even more fun would be to drive the rebar into your neighbors yard that you don’t like and make sure you E Mail a friend or two telling them you hid your stuff in the neighbors yard. Oh how funny to watch the Keystone Cops use a shovel in a futile chase to no avail. Think of it was a modification of the proverbial false flag.

            Really if it went down and people were frightened into compliance throw your gun in the river. As long as they don’t get numbers they presume that “They’re still out there”. That in itself has a deterrent effect.

        • I don’t think Confiscation would get by Congress and Senate but seeing the vote tally would show John Q Fencesitter that yes a significant percentage of elected officials in the Federal Government do support confiscation. The “They would never do that” thought would come to an abrupt halt. Thinking then progresses to, “OMG, what else are they planning on doing”?

          To anyone that bad mouths the NRA I’ll tell you this, “They’re what you have right now between legal possession and forfeiture or felony”. They are THE MOST effective grassroots political organization in America and your guns would have been gone long ago without them.

          Confiscation comes with the legal authorization to use lethal force to obtain compliance. This force would be used upon someone that previously passed a NIX Check to purchase the firearm to begin with. Let that sink into the brain of the guy that only owns a 38 revolver and 30-30 rifle. When the fence sitter firearm owner looks at it from that perspective (and there is no other perspective to gaze upon it) the political backlash in subsequent elections would be massive.

          • If the 30-30 owner says, “They’ll never go after my gun”, tell him; “Yea, well their willing to kill the AR owner to get his”.

          • odd Q
            bull crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i dont think anyone to date has ever shaped,,diesel fuel and fertilizer,,thats what it would have taken,,,but seems to me as i looked at that building it came down,,not up and over,,,kinda like towers falling down instead of exploding out,,,,,makes me wonder,,,


      56. Here we go again!!! As a Police Officer. I WILL NOT GO HOUSE TO HOUSE TAKING GUNS FROM AMERICAN CITIZENS!!! If I find out that there is something like that coming. I will notify as many people as I can. If they send in Blue Helmets to take them. I will do my best to stop them in any way I can. If I die trying to stop them I can only HOPE some one picks up my guns and KEEPS FIGHTING and so on! I have been told that I don’t bleed just red, but RED, WHITE & BLUE! If this does happen I will do my best to stack Blue Helmets up like cord wood SO HELP ME GOD!!! “GIVE LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH” GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

        • Sgt. Dale ….they won’t use you silly ……they will use foreign troops and the military

          • Rich:
            Good point. But if they don’t use me that just means that I’ll play hide and seek with all the Blue Helmets just like we did during the Revolution. This also means that I can get into the fight sooner so I can try an protect the Country I LOVE. I took an oath over 30 years ago to uphold the Constitution, and by the GRACE OF GOD I WILL. LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!!

          • Well, he does have a good point though, in that some LEO’s may be able to act as a tripwire. It’s likely they would leak any large UN/Fed operation. And with advance warning, the state militias could all go active very quickly.


            • Dboy
              Are you reading my mind!!! (Ha-Ha)

        • Oh, jeez, Sargeant. There you go pissing in my wheaties. Now I have to keep my anti-cop mouth shut for a while.

          I wish the good guys in blue would speak up more!!!

          I salute you sir! …and all OathKeepers!

          • Well my friend you might just be shocked at how many of use feel this way.

            • Maybe even more will change their minds when bubba shoots back? I really don’t want it to come to this.

              Remember all what Szun Tzu said… “always fight on YOUR terms, not on your opponents.” What he meant in this case could be interpreted to mean, “why wait for them to come to your house?” When they start the war on American law abiding citizens, it will morph into an American Insurgency. Bad News for all.

            • Please, Sgt Dale, tell your fellow officers to speak up for the 2nd Amendment! There are millions of us who own guns to protect ourselves, and we haven’t done anything wrong, not even so much as a traffic ticket. WHY should we be punished for what some lone nutcase does?

              Sir, I am not ex-military. I’m not a “tough guy”; I’m not Rambo or Walker Texas Ranger. I’m a 48 year old four eyed schoolteacher and computer nerd. I will tell you that in the event that some hopped up 20 year old meth-head breaks into my house at 3 am, I damned sure don’t want to be fighting him hand to hand. I’m not that strong that I wanna tangle with some punk who’s half my age; nor do I want my wife to ever be in a similar position. She’s the light of my life, but she has the fist fighting qualities of a marshmallow

              Please, sir, speak for us! Speak for your countrymen, speak for America

              • Sam
                I will do my part. Sam you have to do your part. I can stand , and I will, I will more that likely die. Some one has to take on the fight, YOU people have to make your yourself heard. You have to learn self defense. I will tell all of you that a COP can’t do a DAMN thing until it happens to you . Serve and protect B.S. A crime has to happen to you before we can do anything!

                • “You have to learn self defense.”

                  Krav Maga!


            • ~~~Well my friend you might just be shocked at how many of use feel this way.~~~
              I think most on this blog are counting on it, Sgt.
              Praise you and your buddies. Amen.

        • SGT. Dale

          Chances are you are already outnumbered within your department. C.O. knows you real good and the tight knit community you keep.

          What do you think of the New Orleans P.D. going door to door collecting weapons? Can it happen where you are?

          • I think it was BBBB.SSSS. I can only hope an pray that the guys I trained will follow me and not the C.O.s

        • You have my respect, sarge.
          But I think you’re in a distinct minority among your coworkers.

        • Coming from a law enforcement family, I concur and pray that your Brothers (young ones) will follow your lead….and not “go off half-cocked”…..and I thank you for your Public Service….To Protect and Serve


        • SGT DALE I respect that and you know that many of us will do so. I hope it doesnt come down to that but you bet we will take care of this country when it gets out of hand. GOd bless

        • Didn’t a Soviet dissident say something to the effect of “If every night they had to worry that a few of them may not go home, it would have given them pause”?

        • Theyll use ATF, DHS, and whatever other alphabet fed agencies,
          I suggest we start writing letters to military, gaurd, police, gain allies who are people just like us who will perhaps not be willing to allow their constitutional rights to be taken along with ours, its time for publicity, and networking, a prayer to the God of your understanding, and do whats right

          • Kalu.
            I have to say AMEN to your blog. Well my friend the letters will help, but most of them will never be seen, because the Higher Ranks won’t let them be seen. SO I RECCOMEND THAT YOU GET PREPERRED. I hope and pray that it will not come to it, but the GOOD GUY COPS are going to need HELP!!!! I will take all I can get. So GOD BLESS.

      57. Folks I’m just a good old Canuk vet sittin just north of you all. My heart goes out to the country and the familes of those wonderful kids. I weep for your country.

        For the 25 years I served during the cold war I thanked God everyday for my freedom and asked He continue to bless the USA. His appointed sword to keep the West safe. This battle now taking place in your country is not only about you it is about Canada and the Western nations. If you fail now we all go down the tubes with you. So, now I pray each day that the Lord bless each and every USA patriot. That He protect you, keep you safe and strong.

        Your Constitution is the greatest documented testimony in world history as to how a government should rule the people under God. Your founding Fathers were given Godly insight and wisdom. Yet the evil of men have corrupted her. Stand fast and hold to what you know is right.

        For what it’s worth this old vet will do all he can to support you in your struggles ….

      58. This event will start a Civil War! Prepare for it, keep your guns and fight or turn them and get out of the way.

        If you truly LOVE FREEDOM you will fight for it.

        Fighting for for FREEDOM is not bumping your gums, it will cost you LIFE and LIMB. So if you have any idea that you are not willing to DIE, turn them in and like I said get out of he way.


        • I RICH99 have given you the ONLY thumbs up and plan to do RXACTLY as you have said ……FUCK THESE TYRANTS

        • @pale….Wiser heads should prevail… not go off half-cocked…be aware, cool-headed, and stop sounding as if this is a scenario that you would ENJOY! You are talking about a civil war….between Americans!! This is not what this Nation needs!! Do you really wish for this to occur?


          • @FOB: Yes mam it is. Tell me that the ballet box works, it dosen’t because they (TPTB if you will) control it.
            So if there is another way PLEASE state it.

            If you are not willing to fight for your freedom and the freedom for yours that is your choice.

            It will come to Civil War sooner or latter.

            NO I would not ENJOY a CIVIL WAR, its the last thing I want, but its here like it or not.

        • So after I’ve “laid down my life” for the cause, which one of you is coming to my house to look after my wife and children?

          • @JC: A lot of people with wives and childern laid down thier lives to start this country.

            So what makes you different from them, all the years gone by?

            You don’t have to fight thats your choice. Just get out of the way, but sooner or latter you will have to fight.

      59. What gun control is really about: the government is seeing the unrest in other countries and the tension here in the US and it is becoming increasingly afraid of We, the People.

        • Merree, you have 20/20 political vision in this case.

      60. I would certainly hope that current gun owners would never fold like they did in Australia and the u.k. and hand their weapons over to these FUCKWADS !!!! Prepare for war people …..I will never submit ….EVER

        • Rich 99, you sly dog you.

      61. Im not saying it is the case here but how do we know if things like this even happened? REALLY?…again Im not saying it didnt really happen but Im asking for a point…to get people to think,to question….take any incident in the news,how do you know for sure it really took place…unless it happened to you personally,how can you be certain…I dont have to tell anyone whos alive mentally that the media is corrupt and co-opted…think hollywood cant “MAKE” anything happen it wants to…(through the prisim of the TV or any other media)or wants you to “THINK” happened?..reality isnt what it was a few decades back,all anyone outside of the people involved have to go on is cnn/fox/abc and so on…I dont claim to know what happened,if it happened,or why it happened…all I know is this federal govt is as corrupt as hell and has our blood dripping from its hands and teeth,its been run by evil since it butchered its sons and daughters in 1861,why should any of us trust anything it says or does now? I couldnt begin to list the evil done by it that is even known much less what we dont know…all I know is it is out of control,turned against us and all we hold dear and it demands we love/obey it at the point of a gun….no sir Ill never trust the beast nor will I let it disarm me,far better to endure death at its hands fighting for my liberty and my family/friends then to submit to it and die anyhow after watching it tear and devour those I hold dear…sad,sad times weve come to… “Live free or die tryin”

        • Reb, I’ve really wondered the same. The LSM (LameStreamMedia) constantly lies by ommission and distortion. I really wonder. I think I believe it but I’m not sure that any of the information we get is accurate or factual.

          It certainly could be a fabrication. How would be know?

          • I cant remember when the msm wasnt in exact concert on events like this. Did they screw up the details so badly, why now? You know they get their propaganda ahead of time, but couldnt print it right?

        • For those who don’t have a tv, a radio, internet, telephone, newspaper delivered, and access to friends who have those things, then, “the event” didn’t happen. I suspect there are many such individuals out there who live in their own private universes and consequently, don’t get caught up in the various, kaleidoscope of dramas that bombard the “tapped in” masses.

      62. and what does homeland security need half a billion rounds of hollow point bullets for? not hunting deer with those….those are made for killing people in the homeland of the furor…..this is madness and most folks see right thru it…..this gun confiscation may be the shot that starts a violent uprising in this country that will be like nothing ever seen before….too many people are already angry and I doubt it will take much more before they start loose on the perpetrators of crime and treason within the political and financial realms of this land…..there is serious evil around us….look at the faces of most politicians and banksters…these are shadey people who know they are not bulletproof and are afraid of the armed americans they steal from because soon the bottom will fall out and they will all get caught with their pants down….this is the real reason they wanna disarm the country…..they dont give a hoot about children being gunned down because they do it all the time with every war they start…innocents die every day in the wars they start….even some of the sanctions they declare kills many with hunger, lack of water or medicines….my heart goes out to all innocent victims of evil but evil sits in high places too….be vigilant everyone, question the news stories and follow the money and trails of the laws enacted….most are not for the people but for a choice few…..dont be used and played by these forces of evil…you still have choices…stand your ground or you will be led to the slaughterhouse like a bunch of sheep….

        • They have spent and spent, now they need to tax, think about it

      63. Interesting side note to the recent tragic shooting event. This came out of an article I just read regarding the mother of Adam Lanza; the shooter.

        “The 50-year-old is thought to have worked as a supply teacher at the elementary school where the shootings took place.

        Last night it also emerged Nancy was a member of the Doomsday Preppers movement, which believes people should prepare for end of the world.

        Her former sister-in-law Marsha said she had turned her home ‘into a fortress’. She added: ‘Nancy had a survivalist philosophy which is why she was stockpiling guns. She had them for defense.

        ‘She was stockpiling food. She grew up on a farm in New Hampshire. She was skilled with guns. We talked about preppers and preparing for the economy collapsing.’ “

      64. This is IT !!!!!! The answer to 1984 is 1776.

        Now we see who really has balls or is just talking jive.


        • Seriously dude? You’re looking at probably a year of open street fighting, and then 10-20 years of insurgency. And with that would be financial collapse, wide spread starvation, complete loss of global legitimacy (such as it is), and personal bankruptcy for the majority of the population. It could very well be coming, but it’s certainly not something to look forward to.


      66. BI, your analysis as always is right on target, and yes, there is a pun intended. The antigun crowd isn’t wasting any time in the wake of this latest tragedy that they perpetrated with only one possible goal; to siarm us and make us all the more vulnerable to the coming holocaust in this land. I’m with everyone else who says no to surrendering our guns or anything else we have. If the latest legislative effort fails, I wouldn’t put it past Obama to issue an EO banning gun ownership altogether. Any attempt at confiscation will start a civil war faster than anything else in this country. I hope LE and military will stop and think very long and very hard before deciding to follow any order to confiscate guns from law-abiding people. If they were to go after guns from real criminals like the gangbangers, now that would be different. But if they come after law-abiding people’s weapons instead, the death toll from any attempt would far surpass any of the shooting incidents staged by the antigun movement. I say it’s high time to target the gun grabbers. Let them become victims of crime with no means of self-defense. It would be interesting to see what they have to say in the aftermath of their experience if they live to talk about it. Anyone who forces their way into my home for any purpose will receive Instantaneous Lead Poisoning Syndrome, or ILPS for short. I don’t surrender anything; not my guns, nor rights, nor freedom, zero, zip, nada. MOLON LABE. LIVE FREE OR DIE. Best wishes to all. Braveheart

        • @ braveheart. Confiscation of guns would be a total disaster even if it was successful in one word, BLACKMARKET. This country has one of the most porous borders there is, and the criminals would be the only ones armed, not the honest responsible citizen. This is exactly what the lib tards want, the honest citizen to be disarmed and let the criminals rule. IF this was not the case, then these rotten liberals would not ban stun batons and pepper spray. 8 states and DC ban stun batons and TASERS that have saved way more people from harm than have caused harm.

          You know braveheart, these freaken liberals show their true colors when they ban non-lethal weapons that do so much more good than anything wrong. These liberals are sick in the mind, and this absolutely proves it. There are more dog attacks that result in injuries in places that have banned pepper spray in other countries and have massive restrictions in this country than places that don’t. These sticken liberals want to take away everything you have to defend yourself. This is their sick tunnel vision idealism to make everyone as defenseless as possible, other than the criminals and psychos.

          That moron piers morgan today showed his total lack of any class, what the english are suppose to have plenty of, by pressing one of victims’ brother about BO’s speech to do something. The brother of that 27 year old victim had not even heard the speech. He just lost his sister and this classless bum head just had to try to shove his agenda down the audience’s throat and make that brother of the victim feel strange and on the spot. In my opinion, piers morgan is a total pile of horse crap and it is a miracle that this character doesn’t have flys swarming around him.

          I truly should be looking at the earthquakes because another big one is coming as the recent activity indicates. I just become so upset when I see these poor little children that were shot over and over again by this demon, and these anti-gun f’s taking every opportunity they can to take advantage of this to further their agenda to take away every bit of self defense that we have. There is so much unfairness right now in the world, and right before Christmas when people should be trying to get along with each other. Maybe the Mayans were right in the spiritual destruction of humans rather than the immediate physical demise. I don’t know, what do you think?

      67. You morons have convinced me to sell my AR-15 and supply of ammo. With the gullibility and fear mongering I see here, I can turn a tidy profit. Maybe put the money into something useful, like some new camera equipment. There are fools born every minute and looks like I can profit nicely from some of them. Thank you for being such gullible fools. Your foolishness is my gain!

        • joe…you are a “me” person….do what you want to do for whatever reason you wish to do it….I don’t care. But don’t ever come sniffin’ around this area looking for food…YOU would get nuttin’ from me…..just because of how little care and consideration you give to others…good luck lil boy…you will surely need luck…..thinking of you makes me very sad…..


        • JoeInNC

          You will not sell it. Yeeper, your going to fend off raiders with a camera? Smile! Click! RoFLMAO.

        • “You morons have convinced me to sell my AR-15 and supply of ammo.”

          Wise choice sir. And funny enough, I’m willing to help you with that. Please provide details so you can rid yourself of that useless AR-15.


        • @ JoeinNC. I know you see those poor children killed by a psychos devil, pure evil, but you need to consider something in your hatred of the people here. What if that rifle had been an illegal weapon from say Nicaragua, then what would your response to the people here be? Say gun control of assault weapons had NOTHING to do with anything but gun running from another country? Bring about massive gun control and this porous border it will bring in exactly what type of weapons that are NOT semi-automatic, but can spray hundreds of rounds a minute.

          Okay Joe, what happens with a disaster? You saw Hurricane Katrina, even Sandy what happens if you don’t have protection. It is not just the looters that come in and take what you have, it is the rapist that attack your wife, sister, daughter, or the person that comes to just kill someone for the hell of it. Yes you need maximum firepower after society collapses around you, it is just that way Joe.

          As you know I have forecasted earthquake after earthquake, and I can tell you that some real whoppers are coming. An earthquake is a disaster that flatten hundreds of miles along the fault and dozens of miles outward from the fault. In other words a mega earthquake can destroy small to medium size country wide areas. This means that there will be no help coming to areas for days, weeks or even months. Those that don’t have the assault weapons type of protection are much more at risk than those that do.

          I admit that in close quarters that a good 12 guage is essential, but still these high powered rifles will save many after a wide spread disaster. You are knee jerk reacting to the absolute horror of pure dark evil, but firearms absolutely have their place in protection given the varying degree of severity.

          You are on the site SHTF plan. Do you understand what happens after the New Madrid breaks fully, a true SHTF plan? I can list a whole bunch of other SHTF events that you will very much regret getting rid of your AR-15 if it impacts your area. Remember Hurricane Sandy, and ask RICH 99 what it is like to live through a lightweight to moderate SHTF event. try to imagine going through a true SHTF. We are not morons Joe, we just prepare for what can and does happen to this very unstable world.

          • BI you certainly have the patience of Job. But you just can’t fix stupid.

          • With your latest big quake timing prediction and the time it takes to get legislation through, we may be looking at a huge quake before guns ever get banned. Or at the least before there is any kind of enforcement/grab…

        • JoeinNC

          You either are a factual lier in the fact of owning an AR-15 or an emotional lier regarding your intent of it’s sale. Your anti gun position while willing to sell your AR-15 for a profit into an according to you a far too unregulated arms market is emotionally dishonest. This would mean that you really have no integrity or conviction or purpose. One would also have to include hypocrite to describe you. In that respect you keep like company with anti gun people.

        • Joe…if you want to do the right thing, you’ll turn that AR 15 into your local PD, you won’t sell it.

          Why would you want to put another dangerous weapon onto the streets? Doesn’t that go against everything you say you believe?

          C’mon Joe… don’t be a hypocrite. Do the right thing.

      68. The Problem, as I see it, it’s the same anti-gun Liberals that create the various “Programs” that corrupt the minds, hearts and souls of the innocent, and make people psychopathic so they do things like “shoot children”.

      69. Sgt. Dale, welcome aboard. I’m happy to hear of one good cop that won’t take part in such madness. I’ve always suspected that “UN peacekeepers” will most likely be used for gun confiscation and won’t have any problem following orders to do that or anything else to our fellow citizens for that matter. If/when foreign troops appear on our streets, I’ll consider them to be fair game; nobody asked “we the people” if we wanted foreign armies in our country. Last time I checked, nobody likes having their country occupied by someone else’s army. Once the bullets start flying, it won’t be long before weapons, ammo, and other equipment becomes available to be put to use against their former owners. everyone, get prepared for what’s coming; it’s going to be hell on earth. Braveheart

        • I 2nd that. IF the UN are on my property and trying to take away my rights, they are without a doubt fair game and that is not even in question. I’m sorry but this is the real world. Some preppers on here are average people that like to shoot and some don’t, but there are some ex and current military members and brothers on here that will do what’s right for the country and themselves and family. This is real. This is not a game or a scare or a dream. This is going to happen. It just has been waiting to happen and until we know the details keep alert have confidnece and slowdown and think and prepare and train. It’s comming and with a collapse it could be a all out event in the steets on America. prey and ask for forgiveness and that you are doing the right thing and never asked for this. We wanted peace but the liars and theifs in Washington are overstepping their boundries!!

          Here is a quick message and my last post for today. This has me fired up!!!!!!!!!!!

          ATF,DHS, Diane feinstein you worthless senator, if you pass such illegal laws I will not follow your illegal actions and so either will millions of Americans. The Government is and has clearly overstepped it’s powers! Remember our nation was founded on liberty. Too many people think liberites are regulated by government and can be taken away at the whim of government officals. Sorry it’s wrong ter
          ds! Our great-grandparents viewed government as a servant, to protect not regulate or destroy our personal freedoms. So once again if you push this gun ban we must refresh our relationships with these idiots that government officials are once again servants and the citizenry are their masters. Our job is to make the ideas of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution popularly accepted once again in the context of modern society, with the ultimate goal of restoring liberty to our land.

        • Shut yur Frayser ass up !

      70. It’s amazing how powerfully influential the 2nd amendment is. People either Hate it or Love it. And, the 2nd Amend Pot is being stirred by a supersonic blender right now. It’s like a frenzy on the MSM and Alternative News sites. This one is The Big One. This is where the real power lies. We know it and THEY know it. It’s the proverbial “line in the sand” point in the evolution of this once great country. This is it. This is the final stage, the final chapter. This is where we make our stand. There is no turning back. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead.

        This is no drill!

      71. The right to own a weapon for defense is an unalienable right granted by God and the people that want to take this right away don’t believe in God they believe they are gods.

        • I really wish that religious kooks would not turn everything into a religious debate. You have no evidence that God or Gods exist…so shut up.


          • Dboy, a word of advice. There are a lot of God fearing christians on this site. You can be a fool if you like, but don’t come in here running your mouth like you own the place. We have the right to speak our minds just like you. It is called freedom, you say you are all for it, yet now you want to limit my freedom to speak of my christian values. You either aren’t very smart or are very young and intolerant. Grow up.

          • Uhmmmm…why don’t you shut up Dboy?

          • I agree dboy. When people say rights are given by god I say who’s god? Who is relaying these rights from gad? Rediculous.

            People determine their rights by fighting to obtain and secure them. It is a constant struggle.

            • I also think people minimize their god with comments like this. If they were indeed ‘god given’ why is it that mere mortals can so easily take them away?

            • Timothy: These rights, OUR rights from Nature’s God were and are “self evident” to rational men and women.

              Let the blind follow the blind. As for me and my house, I will serve The Lord.

          • Dboy: I have my personal experience with Jesus Christ, out of the body and face to face, as my evidence that God exists. I wish that everyone had this experience.

            Nevertheless, the freedom and personal liberty that you enjoy in America is the direct result of Divine Providence moving in the lives of OUR Founding Fathers.

            Wise men still seek Him.

            • Religious propaganda. Our founding fathers were a mix of Christians, deists and freethinkers who not only understood the evil power of tyrannical governments, but of religions as well. That is why we have a secular constitution.

              • Timothy: Of course you are right, ( 🙂 ) that is why the US Constitution acknowledges Nature’s God and states that OUR rights are derived from Him.

                Try again!

                • In 1776 our fathers endeavored to retire the gods from politics. They declared that “all governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.” This was a contradiction of the then political ideas of the world; it was, as many believed, an act of pure blasphemy — a renunciation of the Deity. It was in fact a declaration of the independence of the earth. It was a notice to all churches and priests that thereafter mankind would govern and protect themselves. Politically it tore down every altar and denied the authority of every “sacred book,” and appealed from the Providence of God to the Providence of Man. Those who promulgated the Declaration adopted a Constitution for the great Republic.

                • The Government of the United States is secular. It derives its power from the consent of man. It is a Government with which God has nothing whatever to do — and all forms and customs, inconsistent with the fundamental fact that the people are the source of authority, should be abandoned. In this country there should be no oaths — no man should be sworn to tell the truth, and in no court should there be any appeal to any supreme being. A rascal by taking the oath appears to go in partnership with God, and ignorant jurors credit the firm instead of the man. A witness should tell his story, and if he speaks falsely should be considered as guilty of perjury. Governors and Presidents should not issue religious proclamations. They should not call upon the people to thank God. It is no part of their official duty. It is outside of and beyond the horizon of their authority. There is nothing in the Constitution of the United States to justify this religious impertinence.

                  Both quotes by Robert G Ingersoll

                • It has often been seen on the Internet that to find God in the Constitution, all one has to do is read it, and see how often the Framers used the words “God,” or “Creator,” “Jesus,” or “Lord.” Except for one notable instance, however, none of these words ever appears in the Constitution, neither the original nor in any of the Amendments. The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: “Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven”. The use of the word “Lord” here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts. This lack of any these words does not mean that the Framers were not spiritual people, any more than the use of the word Lord means that they were. What this lack of these words is expositive of is not a love for or disdain for religion, but the feeling that the new government should not involve itself in matters of religion. In fact, the original Constitution bars any religious test to hold any federal office in the United States.

      72. The way some of you talk and treat each other, I am not so sure just WHO the real enemy IS. Some of you are not very nice folks, and although i understand and support the right to bear arms, I am not so sure *some* of you should have that right. Anger solves nothing, and neither does bragging about how many guns one has. It is easy to talk ‘big’ on a board, but is this how you treat people you talk to face to face? How sad. Does threatening to shoot someone make you feel powerful?

        What I am saying is THIS kind of talk does NO good for supporting your position. It actually makes some of you look like a potential threat. It gets out of hand. Are not we all in this situation together? Looking out for ones family and each other should never be have to include the arrogant responses from some just to try and make your point. Please think before yelling at each other.

        • @ notsure

          Do you REALLY think that some evil POS like Feinstein will somehow listen to you, but not me, simply because you are being more “reasonable”? Flush out your head gear, new guy: she HATES you because you breath in and out, and think that you are a citizen with rights.

          And so do the likes of Bloomberg, Schumer, Reid, Pelosi and all the rest of the goose stepping ObamaNazis out there. They HATE you. No matter how nice and “polite” you try to be, they see you as the enemy. Only your unconditional submission to their absolute authority over you and the minutest aspect of your life will make them stop hating you

          • @not sure

            “The king is a tyrant, whether we say so or not. We may as well say so” Thomas Jefferson

          • FWIW – notsure is not me. But he’s right.

            Of course all those politicians you listed don’t care about any of us.

            The problem is appearing to be lunatics to those of more moderate thought. Most people are pretty freaked over Sandy Hook and it doesn’t take much to rub a raw nerve wrong.

            And alienating anyone who may help take a stand on pro-2a is likely a bad move here. I’m not talking about compromising on pro-2a stance (the what). It’s just HOW it’s done that may make a difference here.

      73. Doesn’t Madame Feinstein have a concealed weapons permit and carry a concealed weapon therefore exercising her 2nd ammendment rights? Curious. I believe she did at one time.

        • I know for a fact that Feinstein at one time had a CCW permit…and may still.

          She is one of the few elite in Kalifornia…People’s Republik of, that gets to have a permit.

          Typically…In KA, to get a CCW permit you must:

          1. Be a judge or politician
          2. Give money to the campaign of a judge or politician (Lots of money)
          3. Be a celebrity with the proper political affiliations. (i.e. a left-winger)

          The peasantry does not qualify to have a CCW in KA, because…..well…..because their lives just aren’t valued as highly as those in the elite class.

      74. WHOA! You are just going to scream when you read this.

        Go to Google.

        Type in “holmes lanza libor scandal”

        HOLY SHIT!

        Both Holmes’ and Lanza’s father are closely linked (if not direcly involved in some way) to the LIBOR scandal.

        Wow! I smell a R_A_T!!!

        • NetRanger

          Thats not the half of it. Both where top of their class,both on the same meds, both reports state at the start of shooting there was two shooters,(then changed after a short period of time,) both happened after some gun law was struck down (U.N. Assault weapons, and the Illinois conceal carry law was to be in place with in 160 days.)The last shooting the bad guy (who ever it was) was wearing all black (out of the mouth of babe’s) this guy wasn’t. Here is something to think about. Why would you take 4 fully loaded guns in and only use the AR. It was said that he stopped and reloaded the AR. Why in hell would you do that (leave 3 fully loaded guns unused?)Maybe because that are trying to take away the AR’s/AK’s I think that this guy did some of the shooting and subject #2 took him out. Best of all now China is demanding that the US pass gun laws taking away AR’s ect. Notice I didn’t call them Assault Weapons because they are not!!!

        • News is only on blogs. Nothing in mainstream media at this time

          @net Ranger

        • NetRanger

          If that is factual it’s very interesting.

          This internet must bother the hell out of the power elite. It’s a two way street, you watch us, we watch you. The good news, they’re more of us than you. The bad news, you have all the money.

        • Yes, and now for some MSM links.

          Details how GE Financial is linked to the LIBOR scandal:

          Contains the fact that Peter Lanza works as a high level executive for GE Financial:

          “Peter Lanza is tax director and vice president of taxes for GE Energy Financial Services in the New York City area, according to his resume posted on the website LinkedIn.”

          CNN Report:

          Peter Lanza’s Linkedin profile:

          These are the facts. What it means in regards to all this exactly is only speculation, but it sure the fuck smells really bad.

        • Yeah, Im thinking they want to shut them both up, and discredit anything they might have been able to say or do.

      75. One thing I wonder if any of these lawmakers have taken into consideration is the economic impact such a ban on firearms would have on the United States. When the fiscal cliff debate is all the rage, and jobless rates are sky high now we want to go and ban firearms, ammo and accessories think about all the people that work directly or indirectly for the industry everybody from gun shop owners to the UPS drivers a lot of people stand to lose there jobs. So go ahead Senator Diane Feinstein and supporters and pass the bill and send the the economy down the drain

        • Oh yeah they probaby have taken into consideration, and dont G.A.F. about it, they got theirs for sure.
          Its all part of the plan. and they are the ones bringing this on, so just to be sure whaere to lay the blame when its game on.

        • @duckfart….Let me tell you how much they care about the economic considerations of a firearms ban…..


          Get the idea?

      76. Let them ban assault weapons. I can’t send my kid to school with one anyway, he has to carry a Glock 9mm.

        • Carrying tupperware in that lunchbox is he?


          (I expect to get down-votes by all the Glock-lovers LOL)

          • Dboy, 1911 man myself but a closet glock owner.

            • Nothing wrong with Glocks. They always work.

        • Tracy Chapman’s “Talkin’ Bout a Revolution” is also a really good song. But I’m thinking “A Hard Rain’s Gonna Fall” is also appropriate here.

      77. If you listen to the Steve Quayle 12/13/12 show, you will not give up your guns under any circumstance.
        I don’t scare easily–his program scared the hell out of me–and I still am extremely uneasy each time I think of what was told in that session.
        Folks, evil is coming in the form of MK-Ultra and satanistic govt. aided by LEO, military supersoldiers and more.
        I can almost bet you big bucks chemtrails is the catalyst to spark this demonic surge.

        • You forgot the Masons and JFK.


      78. When is someone going to say “Its not about hunting its about protecting our rights against a corrupt government”

      79. Congress should ban Homeland Security from having over a billion rounds of 40 cal hollow point if they are really concerned about preventing bloodshed.

      80. Things just get crazier every day. I’m beginning to think maybe, this is all a dream. Tomorrow, we’ll wake up in Normalville. For now, though, we’re stuck in some alternate universe. Cheech and Chong are president and vp. Rod Serling is Secretary of State. Gilligan is Secretary of Defense and Colonel Klink runs Homeland Security. I tried calling the mental health hotline, to get myself back on some sort of rational footing, but all I heard was a click, then some guy in the background, yelling “Luuuucccy! You got a phone call!”

        • smokin’….although the names have changed, the “characters” remain the same……


        ;0) TOLD YA’ SO …

        I Warned Predicted told You All this was coming .

        ;0P pssszzt

        I even got the Date Right !

        “Now things are gonna get interesting .”

        Be patient wait and watch … stock up immediately on all ammo / exotic ammo and make your last minute firearm purchases now .

        As we still get Organized to resist this Theft by the NWO Zog UN FedCommieGov of our 2nd Amendment Rights – The Right to Bear Arms Shall not be Infringed Upon .


        I suggest everyone watches their own thievin’ state senators and corrupt congress critters to see how they vote on this issue .



        ~N.O. ;0p

        • What’s a zog?

          I do like egg nog this time of year.

      82. @ JayJay ~ I too listened to Steve Quayle.
        He was on Coast to Coast last night.
        Did he talk about the red, blue, and green
        codes for the population? His show concerned
        me also. *Red – to kill people who support
        the amendments, Blue – LE who will enforce
        TPTB rulings, and Green – to put the rest of
        the masses in Fema camps. The one who leaked
        this information was allegedly murdered.
        It makes one pause and ponder for a moment.

        • No–but the 12/13/12 show gave me a new understanding of the NWO and their reach into mind control.
          Jesus..come, please.

          • I’ll add further–when the SHTF and whatever signal is given for the supersoldiers, LEO, and other agents to start their assault on citizens, the elite bastards will be sitting in their gated mansions watching on video us kill each other.
            My Lord has plans for us, but Satan has plans for them.

            “The smart traveler is always prepared for the journey.”

      83. I’m Cuban and came from a country were the first thing the Dictator argued is why did we need guns. To me the second amendment is all about freedom and the preservation of it against a tyrannical government. I have told my wife repeatedly, The South lost the first civil war but will win the second one. All of the major military bases are in the south now, from Virginia to Texas. Let’s remember what Jefferson said, “The tree of liberty every so often needs to be fertilize with blood.” The gasoline has been spilled all we need is a match. Remember this quote, “Sigillum Militum Xpisti”.

        • AMEN!

      84. If we give up our guns we are no longer citizens. We become subjects. Civil war is coming. Prepare yourselves.

      85. Amercans will fold like a cheap suit,and they deserve it.

        • That’s a blanket statement because they been asleep.

          • Voting his comment down I see…and yet we’ve ALREADY HAD one assault weapons ban, which resulted in exactly no reaction by the People. That’s certainly something less than a Hugo Boss suit….more like K-Mart; certainly cheap. Where’s the evidence that Americans would react with any more bravery than last time???


            • @ Dboy

              I think this is a precursor to a financial collapse.
              An opportunity, staged or not, it fits their plan to control. Although there was little resistance to the last ban, they may not be able to keep the flood gates from opening. More discontent within society. More anger and distrust of our government that will overcome fear. What we must do is when those that are arrested due to this malevilent law, is to come to their aid. A small show of force which will determine if they want to escalate.

      86. Come and get’em – We as Americans need to step up and get this fight going – no matter how you weigh it ” It is going to happen sooner or later” – might as well get it on now and quit pussy-footing around with bankers , corporations, politicans and controlled media …..Time for men to be a ” MAN ” or become ” MAN ” for the first time in his life !!!! We are all that’s left on this planet to save Hummantiy as we know it and an armed public scares the living shit out of them….And believe me when they come for the gun’s it will not be a pretty site, all it takes is 5% of the public – WOW just 5% !!!!!

      87. excuse my English, I am Cuban and 1959 when Fidel Castro took power created a system to remove the weapons of the village changed weapons for food and a few battalions of civilians (sneak) to report any carrier and whosoever was found with a gun would be sentenced public trials as anti-revolution methods are very effective weapons for food and medicine by bullets.

        • Thank you for this insight.

      88. Bunch of “Depends Adult Diaper” Wearing Traitors run WASHINGTON DC and HAVE SOLD US ALL OUT TO THE GLOBALIST COMMIE FASCISTS .

        Any one else notice how it’s always the Old Wrinkly Saggy Sour Smelling Zionist Baby Jesus Killers ;0P … who are Always Trying to Enslave us ???

        Phuck da’ ole’ bastardo traitorous NWO UN ZOG Freemason FedCommieGov !

        ~N.O. ;0P

        • thats right.

      89. To My Responsible Firearms Owners in Arms:

        Make no mistake our gun owning rights and the 2nd amoendment are NOW in harms way. For “our elected” government and Congress this has been a long time coming, to place there boot firmly back on our necks. If we are determined to and I believe we are, every responsible civilian firearms owner, supporters of the second amendment, there friends and relatives to UNITE AND STAND AS ONE. ITS TIME TO TELL “OUR ELECTED OFFICALS” NO TO ALL “ASSAULT WEAPONS” BAN. This is America for the people by the people, the 2nd amendment is our right, not the governments choice.

      90. @ Be Informed regarding earthquakes ~ This data is from Stan from the Steve Quayle site.

        Watched Piers Morgan for under ten seconds. During that time he said the tragedy was in Utah. Not Conn. I wish he would get his facts straight.

        • @ Emily. Stan uses temperature variations to predict earthquakes that do work. He however says he has a hit with many earthquakes UNDER 6 point. I ONLY concentrate on earthquakes that can reasonably kill people and cause mass destruction, usually earthquakes 6.5 and more. I don’t waste my time to try to improve my ego with little shakers that do little damage to anything. I ONLY concern myself with the real dangerous ones.

          Stan can forecast little guys, but the real ones he has yet to forecast in the narrow band that I have attempted to pinpoint it to. I use past Arctic and Antarctica quakes to forecast where they will once again hit, which they do. The recent 6.3, or 6.4 off of san diego I could see coming because of the energy directed from the california area towards the swarm in Bouvet Islands and the one in the deep Arctic. It is too bad I could not merge what Stan is doing with the method that I use together to forecast ONLY killer quakes, not little shakers that don’t matter.

          Emily, what do you think about what I wrote about the logic on having assault weapons after SHTF with a mega tone to it? I think that having the best self defense you can have after a super disaster makes the most logical and sensible course of action for your best chance of survival. These anti-gun nuts never see what can definitely happen. I sure would not want to be without an assualt weapon close by to where the San Andreas or New Madrid breaks. Even the Cascadia fault will destroy what can protect the people that live nearby to it. I sure hope someone brings this argument up on national TV.


        NOW WHAT?

      92. Really people – Have you ever seen UN Troops – I mean we could establish a good neighborhood watch in a few days of training, learning shooting and tatics and jack up some UN wannabe troops – I have seen them in action what a joke !!!! ” Hog-Wash ” Americans need to stop acting like a big fat pussys !!!! bring on the ” Civil War ” it’s time !!!

      93. Has anyone picked up on the fact the media is reporting the shooter’s mother, Nancy Lanza, was a prepper???

      94. Liberals – talk the talk – but can’t walk the walk – dont have the balls to come for your guns and deep down in their twisted little souls they are envy and extremely jealous of you – because they know they can never be like you!!!!

      95. Surely potus will enact a well executed executive order,with the assistance of 100’s of outlaw all semi auto weapons..handguns and rifles alike after this scenario is over.

        Most likely they were drafting proposals as this ensued..afterall this is exactly what they were hoping(and probably planned in the first place)for..

        The perfect storm..the perfect crisis..

        Get ready..

        This IS the tippng point!


      96. Remember… when the people have no defences they become the crowd in the theater…the classroom full of kids the church full of worshipers and the govt becomes the gunman(men)…these are the best of timesand they are the darkest…hold on to what you believe in its getting goofy…”Live free or die tryin”

      97. I am just concerned with so many claims the news reported to us. It was a son of a teacher, then it was he did not use the ar 15, then he did, then his mom was not a teacher. So much info that was no info. Assault weapons banned? Well if they can ban a certain ounce soft drink they can ban firearms. I cannot understand gun control advocates. My sister is one. I just cannot understand how someone can want this. Chicago, please correct me if I am wrong, banned guns, and it became one of America’s most violent cities. I want to protect my daughter and son and my wife, take my guns away I guess I can use a baseball bat or an old civil war sword, but the people breaking into my home will know I have nothing compared to what they have.

        Too many people live 9-5. Go home turn on the tv eat dinner and that is their life. It will change. And when it does I want the best for my mine. Food, solo stoves, guns, ammo, and food.

        • Chicago banned guns. This last weekend there were 15 shot and 2 dead.
          Total number of murders for 2012 – now heading into the
          490’s so far.

          • Hooray for Chicago! Dems hampsters sure gone crazy!

      98. Anonymous and Caveman, my wife was from Madruga in Matanzas province and she lost half of her family, including father and uncle, to Castro’s butchers. i hope both of your american dreams have come true in the years since you left Cuba. The communist regime is living on borrowed time now; someday Cuba will be free again. “Next year in Havana”. braveheart

      99. Here is a question for everyone After a TRUE SHTF event which form of self defense would you like to have?

        A. Maximum firepower firearm.

        B. My baseball is more than enough.

        C. No weapon, the police and national guard will protect me.

        These anti-gun advocates NEVER bring up the fact that after a TRUE disaster that the better armed you are the more chance you will survive. These liberals ONLY talk about that you will never need such protection. Well, ask some of the victims of these mega diasters just how much they wish they had a AR-15 or similar protection. Yes LIBTARDS true disasters happen, and without projection you have no chance should a crazy decide he likes your wife, daughter, sister, mother, or other family member for their sexual pleasure. Or they just decide they don’t like you and mutilate you. Firearms can help prevent this from happening.

        Preserve the 2nd Amendment in its fullest for the protection of the innocent for what is coming to this world in the future after the economy collapses, a series of earthquakes, war, terrorism, or whatever else that would destroy the police’s ability to protect the innocent. Protection could and will be in your hands, and why not have the best protection you can have in your hands when you truly need to.

        • Police rarely protect people, they show up after the fact to attempt to provide justice.

        • @ Emily. Because of the shear size of the Pacific Ocean hurricanes such as this can grow and grow over the warm waters of the tropicals. The lowest pressure reading ever measured occurred in the Pacific Ocean, far lower than even Hurricane Wilma a few years ago, almost what would be a category 7 if the currect scale went up that high. What surprises me about anything this strong is that it has not even reached summer in the southern hempishere. Down south of the equator it is like middle June here. As you know there is a temperature lag with water and why true hurricane season peaks around 8-10 weeks after the first day of summer. Or around February in the southern hempishere.

      100. The un, the most worthless organization since it was the crapper league of nations wants to install an universal ban of guns. This should tell everyone exactly where gun restrictions and bans of firearms comes from. Exactly from an organization that has done absolutely nothing to prevent wars, cause them if anything. From an organization that has done nothing to help regional wide suffering from drought, famine, disease, civil unrest, etc. From an organization that totally separates nations from getting along. The un is the absolute worst embodied full of manure and empty promises that there is. The useless good for nothing “un” wants to ban guns and self protection, that should show everyone where anti-self defense radicals are coming from.

      101. I’ve been intentionally avoiding all the regular broadcast and print media for the past couple of days. I already know what it’s gonna say, so why subject myself to the whitewashing? Mac’s posted two good articles relating to recent events and, as usual, all the good comments are made by somebody else. So I’ll just skip right over to the

        Year In Review- 2012

        January- Following the crashes of two small private planes, and several near collisions of jetliners, congress passes legislation prohibiting wind shear, down drafts and ‘any other unsuitable air currents’ from entering the United States. Thinking the language is code for illegal aliens, LaRaza files suit in district court. Eventually, the matter will be decided by seven old, and very boring, people in black gowns in Washington.

        February- In a nationwide sweep, Federal Marshalls raid dozens of lemonade stands in Cincinatti, Miami, and Spokane. Network television anchors unanimously applaud the work of the Department Of Sidewalk Drink Stands for, quote “Protecting America from potential citrus laden terrorists.”

        March- Following the Jerry Sandusky scandal at Penn State, some 200 college football boosters and assistant coaches decide to take early retirement and leave the profession. Simultaneously, nearly a thousand middle-aged men abandon the priesthood and enter college athletics.

        April- Monsanto pumps $30 million into a new ad campaign to get Americans to eat more genetically modified foods. By a strange coincidence, all the actors and models in the ads are seen to have extra digits on their hands, translucent skin, and two noses. The ads are pulled after two weeks.

        May- The presidential primaries are winding down and the front runners in the Republican party are battling for last minute votes. Newt Gingrich, who has stopped and restarted his campaign 8 times in the past three months, finally calls it quits. Rick Perry offers a vintage Goldwater bumper sticker to everyone who’ll vote for him. Michelle Bachman, citing advice from her closest associate (Madam Darva the palm reader) pulls out. During the last debate, Ron Paul resorts to setting off firecrackers on stage, just to get the moderators to admit his existance. It’s not enough…Romney wins the nomination.

        June- Gas prices jump 70% in one month, even as the price of crude oil falls by $4 a barrel. Consumers are furious. Big Oil executives blame the hikes on a burst pipeline in Tazmania, poor radio reception in eastern Montana, and an outbreak of skin rashes among a dozen workers in Barrow, Alaska. The vast majority of Americans reluctantly nod their heads and say “Well, yeah. Ok. I guess that explains it…but as soon as those rashes clear up, we want lower prices.”

        July- Millions of Americans, having dutifully gotten permission from municipal, county, state, and federal authorities, celebrate their freedoms on the 4th by purchasing a record $12 Billion in fireworks, all of which are made in China. Meanwhile, the communist government of The Peoples Republic proclaims July 5th as a new national holiday. Loosely translated into english, the day is called “The day after we suckered the ignorant Americans yet again.”

        August- Record heat and drought blast the nations midection. In Texas, some ranchers report they haven’t seen any rain since 1886. Temperatures in Tulsa and Wichita exceed 300 degrees farenheit, bursting thermometers at several weather stations. Congress considers legislation to outlaw excessive heat. LaRaza threatens to sue if it is passed. The bill dies in committee.

        September- Using DNA from an anonymous donor, researchers at Georgetown University excitedly report finding two new strands in the human genome. After further study, they sheepishly admit that the strands were actually tobacco from a Cuban cigar, and a cotton fiber from a blue dress. In a completely unrelated event, Sec of State Hillary Clinton cancels a scheduled speech at the college.

        October- Computer maker Apple teams up with fast food behemoth McDonalds to introduce the world’s first edible cell phone/ mini computer. The iSnack retails at $499. Anxious customers line up 4 days in advance, clogging drive-thru lanes nationwide. (do you want apps with that?)

        November- Americans everywhere, eager to exercise their rights and demonstrate to the world our peaceful transition of political power, their love of our great historical traditions and our unique American culture, cast ballots in a rigged election which returns the foreign-born marxist muslim to the White House. Network news anchors, overcome with joy, pee their pants on live national television. Viewers respond by yawning and tuning into the Shopping Network…

        December- (DEC 2nd) Following a wildcat strike by half the elves, Santa announces that Christmas will be 2 days late this year. A week later, PETA pickets in front of the Clause home, demanding the release of the reindeer.
        (Dec 9th) Mrs Clause is hit in the head with a bottle, thrown by one of the protesters and is rushed to the hospital. Her wounds are minor, but she suffers an emotional breakdown, files for divorce and moves to Miami. Santa postpones the holiday another 2 days.
        (Dec 14th) OSHA inspectors raid the workshop, citing Clause Industries with multiple safety violations. Santa appeals for help to pay the multi-million dollar fines. Donald Trump finally bails him out, in exchange for changing the name to TrumpChristmas. The holiday is pushed out til Jan 3rd.
        (Dec 21st) Prancer comes out as the world’s first gay reindeer. Dasher refuses to work with him and quits. Vixen and Donner guest host on Saturday Night Live and say they can’t schedule the TrumpChristmas sled run till after January.
        (Dec 22nd) Santa says he hopes for a day in early February. The Fox network rufuses to carry the holiday, saying it won’t pre-empt the Superbowl for anything less than armageddon. Santa then announces Feb 25th as the projected date.
        (Dec 23rd) Congress introduces legislation to force the jolly fat man to make the run on December 25th. Santa pleads for more time. LaRaza files suit, claiming the holiday is nothing but an anti-hispanic festival in disguise.
        (Dec 24th) Following an anonymous tip, FBI agents enter the Clause home. Four empty Jack Daniels bottles and a small amount of reindeer blood are found in the kitchen. Santa is nowhere to be found. Suicide is suspected, but never proven. A few months later, a southern California real estate agency sells the home to Jack Nicholson for $22 million. Donald Trump sues for return of his original investment in TrumpChristmas. Eventually, the US Supreme Court will settle the matter, but for now, they’re still debating about wind currents….

        • Oh Smokin’,

          Bother, you’re TOO much!! Thanks for the laugh, needed that before ‘this’ all get’s started.

          On your FEET folk’s, the clock is ticking NOW…remember the difference between a ‘constitutional’ and ‘unconstitutional’ act (as noted somewhat above)…the Supreme Court has alrady ruled as to what the latter consist of. The Constituion was written to LIMIT the authority of those who would be Tyrants over thier fellow men. The MOMENT ‘they’ step outside of THAT it’s over…anybody here know the derinition of the word ‘Treason’?!

      102. I believe somehow these innocent children were victims of our government…

        Over the summer there was that batman shooting, then the UN weapon ban creeping up…then the whole drawn out election cycle..

        While this is going on Chicago has violent crime increasing and Rob trys to pressure illinois lawmakers to make handguns illegal.

        Then the supreme court tells Illinois that bans on conceal carry are unconsitutional and rob says he will fight the supreme court…

        now, there is a rash of shooting incidents and calls for heightened security. Just like 9/11… whatever gun-legislation that gets passed will be equvalant to the “patriot act”

        seems fishy, ignore my bad splling i cant read the computer screen well at the moment

        • You knew it was only a matter of time. Remember, according to the NDAA these types of people are terrorists. The fact that they were preppers has absolutely nothing to do with this kids mental problems. 5 people a day are being killed in Chicago everyday. How’s gun control working out for them? The fact of the matter is that if everyone was armed, mass killings would cease.

      103. When your vote no longer works and your government no longer upholds the Constitution:

        As passed by the Congress:

        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

        As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

        A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]

        Anyone confused by this?

      104. To all Americans, and a few liberals:

        We must not let politics or even gun-control get in the way of the real tragedy that happened. We had 6-7 year olds and teachers murdered by a whacko. And the leftist using this as politcal gain.

        I have printed out their names, and will donate a small sum of money when a reliable address appears (not facebook, or other stuff). I really do feel for the victums and families.

        I pray for the kids, and hope that their left-winged folks that are using this for political gain will fail.

        United we stand, divided we fall….

        • @ Ugly. You are so correct. When I look at those happy little faces and how anyone could gun those children down, and over and over again, 3-11 times each, it makes me know that there is the darkest of all evil running rampant right now. Even the shear hatred that arabs have of jews, I have not heard of an arab terrorist shooting young jewish children over and over again like this. This was beyond a psycho, it was a devil. Hell I don’t even know if the devil could even do something like this.

          This is something that kind of worries me, that evil this horrid could exist right now walking amoungst us. There was some true barbaric acts in the dark ages but historians really do not see too many acts like this that occur last Friday. I just wonder from an “I like to know” mind, if there is some energy force of pure darkness that is going to jump into someone else and this is going to happen again, or if IT was just pure evil. I call that murderous slime IT, IT doesn’t deserve any name to IT.

          I truly feel for all the children also that had to witness this and have to live the rest of their lives with this horror. Something like this will NEVER go away, this pure evil imprinted this on dozens if not hundreds of children. People should pray for the all the children those that survived also and the families of everyone affected by this nightmare.

      105. @ Be Informed – Thank you for your comments here.
        I hope you are getting rest and trying to take it easy.
        I read and agree with your concern regarding assault weapons after a super disaster. This is a hot topic of debate in my family. 1/2 the family feels why the need for an AK-15, to them it is a weapon to take out many people. The other side of my family are for having an assault gun, as a means to defend and protect, to use them with respect, and only in the need of extreme circumstances. All I know is that I have a pistol permit to carry, but own no guns. I think I am now going
        to have to go out and purchase one, and target practice again.

        • @ Emily. I have always been kind of partial to revolvers for two reasons. Revolvers are extremely unlikely to ever jam up as long as they are kept clean. revolvers would be the last guns to be come under any should of ban. People also like revolvers because you can see exactly what is there, no rare accidents. I have know someone that had a magazine loaded handgun, don’t know the model, that discharged while carrying it while hunting as a back-up. Thankfully it did not hit this person’s foot. Magazine loaded hand guns are wonderful for extra shots you get, but could come under a BO ban in the future.

          Revolvers are nice because you can keep them loaded somewhere safe and always know exactly what is visually there. Downsides are you usually only have 5-7 rounds. You can get what is call speedloaders though to quicken the reloading process. You can get some 10 round .22 caliber revolvers, all the way up to the .50 calibers that have 5 round capacities.

          I was reading an article in the 2013 Gun Digest about a magazine loaded pistol had a safety on it and the sheriff Lew Webb back about 100 years ago could not disengage it and it result in the Hillsville Counthouse Tragedy. If the sheriff had his revolver instead of the semi-automatic pistol he had borrowed this would not have happened. Unfortunately guns have not changed much since then, and there is always a chance with this type of hand gun of this happening. With a revolver, hardly any.

          Some revolvers such as the Taurus brand can fire .45 caliber and .410 shotshells. At close range it is like having a mini-shotgun, but tends to spread out too much at any sort of distances past about 40 feet. A neighbor of mine keeps both shotshells and .45 caliber rounds in it. Another thing is popular with women is to get a .357 revolver, and keep some of the chambers with a .357 or two and the others with a .38 in it. The .38 has less kick to it, but the .357 has more stopping power. A .38 caliber revolver cannot accept .357 rounds, but a .357 can accept BOTH .357 and .38. Really ANY hand gun is ALWAYS better than nothing at all. I just prefer revolvers but still like the others though.

        • @ Emily , BI,

          True Evil is now rearing it’s head amongst us. When one looks about one’s self at the World at large can there be any doubt? Methinks not.

          There WIL be no Peace and no SECURITY until such time as WE make it so…”We The People”. The police are never going to be anything other than ’10 minutes late and 20 bodies on the ground” no matter how it’s sliced. To anyone who thinks differently my question would be, “What? Do they have ESP, can they see the future?!”

          THIS horror csn only be thwarted when EVERY last Amercan TAKES UP thier responsibilites as both American’s and Adult’s and act’s accordingly…nothing else will EVER suffice. Everthing else is simply wishful thinking, I know that I am here ‘preaching to the choir’ as it were, but nonetheless.

          20 small ones and several good people would be ALIVE today preparing for the Christmass holidays had but ONE person there, at that time, had the wherewithall and skill to have stepped in front of that EVIL piece-of-shit. I am very sorry for my use of the language above, it is not typically my style, but this is BEYOND reason, BEYOND rationality…this is ‘Mad dog’ needing to be ‘put down’ territory and NOTHING else is an even approximately sufficient response.

          To the people of Conneticut I say to you; Are you satisfied with your legislature’s effect upon you and your’s having removed from you your ability to protect those most precious to you? THAT is a HARSH statement, to be sure, but one, I think, that each of you must now ask yourselve’s in the silence of your Heart’s.

          “Oh Connetticut, where are Your Children Now?!”

          When YOU shirk your proper duties and obligations what other result do you expect?!?! NONE of mine will ever be so put upon, for at the last I WILL stand between them and the Horror that would take them, to the limit of my life itself.

          Woe unto those who think to let other’s take up thier own proper obligations…NONE can do SO!!!

          The Preident will NOT save you,

          The Congress will NOT save you,

          The Police will NOT Save you,

          In fact, you will NOT be saved…until you do it YOURSELVES!

          “I once was Blind, but now I see!” Woe upon ANY who beleive they will come upon us to take away our ability to shield those who are mosr precious to us and most defenseless…Woe Eternal, Woe indeed!

          • @JOG ! You we are never going to stop this type of madness until we go after the perpetrators. Its not these” puppets” that are controlled by the Zionist, Globalist, Bankers.
            We need to be pro active and go after head of the snake! Instead of being defensive, and listening to all of msn BS. The bottom line is if we don’t take our country back from this evil we will be asking questions until The End! We better all get responsible for ourselves and families and not participate in the systems ( starve the beast) and go by The Bill of Rights,The Constitution,and get rid all the fake laws the lawyers (which are made up of most the branches of Government) and live by the “Golden Rule”otherwise we will never find any peace!!


      106. Every genocide in human history is a story written with a disarmed population as the prologue.

        The good news is we can change this story by rewriting the first chapter.

        Dangerous times are coming my friends.

        Choose your actions and reactions wisely.

        This is more important than our lives.


        As Times “HEAT UP” and violent PHYSICAL confrontations even possibly the murder death kill of the NWO ZOG DHS FedCommieGov Political Prostitutes -n- Gestapo JackBooted NAZI DHS Thugs And even Freeman Patriot Preppers happens in the hard days maybe years ahead of us All .


        PREPPERS CAUSE NO DELIBERATE HARM PHYSICALLY EMOTIONALLY SPIRITUALLY TO WOMEN OR CHILDREN NON-COMBATANTS *(unless they are a direct physical threat to your life and/ or harm to your body).



        ~N.O. ;0p

        • Thank you Coco. I have been reading your posts for quite sometime and have learned a lot. At first I had some difficulty understanding everything you were trying to say, then I did some research. Merry Christmas

        • coco
          from that i can tell you`ve never been in a fire fight,,,all you combat vets in here can you believe that shit?????ladies please excuse this,,”,but if you get them by the balls everything will fall in place”we tried that crap in viet nam didnt work then wont work now,,superior firepower,,,,,,,


        • Prepper rule #1: Keep your mouth shut —- opsec.

      108. All I will say. .Come and take them!

      109. This is simply food for thought. The TPTB have no loyalty to no one, this we know. Ever think that their “Plan C or D” is to insight a civil war?? This would create manageable numbers on both sides, because whether the goons doing the dirty work or not want to acknowledge this, they do not have any plan for you after your done doing their dirty work getting rid of folks like me, except getting rid of you too. Don’t believe me?? One can look at how Jews in Nazi Germany help round up their brethren, who thought they would get a ticket to ride, so to speak and they ended up getting killed also. Simply food for thought, God Bless

      110. Those who meekly surrender their independence to the evil ones will one day fervently wish they had died fighting to keep it.

      111. Please…everyone listen…..its going to go down with a whimper. They are going to use the media to show the sheeple that if you leave your home you will die. Chemtrails will spread the madness that follows, martial law will follow, and with presidential executive orders already signed and ready for the USPS to serve up meds door to door in the USA ………… They will come for your guns…..while you are at your weakest….caring for your families needs. They will use your schools to bus your children off to your”undisclosed locations” you will have to turn over your weapons to reclaim them.
        This is not going to easy. All of us need to stick together .
        God bless the USA ……God bless all of you and your families.

      112. Like everyone else my heart goes out to those mothers and fathers who have lost a little one in the tradgey at Sindy Hook. I am a father of two childrne myself and can feel the utter devastation that the parents feel.

        However, once again the gun control lobby want to take away guns from citizens. What annoys me is that, in this particular instance, the fact that a gun was used, in a perverse way, probably saved lives. Had this maniac used knives or a machete etc. He could have probably gone into other classrooms and killed even more. It was the sound of gunfire that alerted people that something was happening.

        The same day as the Sandy Hook incident a man in China went into a school and killed a teacher and two children with a knife. There has been over 20 children killed this year in China by someone going into a school with a knife.

        What the Sandy Hook incident shows isn’t that guns kill it’s that the US has a complete failure to identify and treat the mentally unstable.

      113. Something needs to be done to keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals and the mentally deranged; I doubt we need new laws to do this; the police can easily get search warrants to do it; why, they’re doing it already without warrants; a little preemptive police work could have easily prevented this Connecticut massacre.

        • @raphael721, be specific, what are you suggesting? you cant get a search warrant and bust into anyones home you please. we need to start looking at who is actually mentally deranged. the sociopathic politicians and civil servants. thats the truly deranged here. and they arre making more and more people , more and more deranged every day. it is mind boggling to me how everyone overlooks this.

        • There will NEVER be a way to keep guns, knives, baseball bats, gasoline, cars (Clara Harris??)out of deranged hands.
          It’s a fact.


      115. The shootings are connected to SSRI meds. The government has known about it for years and held and congressional hearing on the subject. The FDA and Big Pharam have a revolving door and the government is using guns as thier escapegoat to keep the people from understanding just how guilty the FDA and big pharma is. Knowingly pushing drugs that cause murder/sucide and mass shootings makes the government and big pharma an assosry to murder. That’s the real cover up. Research the SSRI’s and anti-depressants and spread the word.

      116. As mandated by the Education Code, school participation is “compulsory” and takes place in “no gun school zone” shooting galleries, where the only arms available for confronting an armed intruder are subject to being tied behind a teacher’s back or getting shot off.

        Nonsensical idealism and post mortem kumbaya candles do not protect young students from an armed intruder.

      117. Look at what the over zealous anti-gun politicos did in Australia. They crafted gun control legislation after a shooting, passed it and ordered the citizens to turn their weapons in on a gun buy back program and outlawed most weapons except of .22s and smaller caliber weapons. Those law abiding citizens complied and turn in their firearms. The results were predictable as the criminals kept theirs and the crime rate skyrocketed. There are videos on YouTube about this and interviews with law abiding Australian citizens who on camera plead to Americans not to let the government take your firearms. The Aussies don’t feel safe in their own homes as home invasions have increased along with Homicides and Armed robberies. In Great Britain the citizens are not safe, in some parts of London the crime rates have increase and some ethnic neighborhoods are extremely dangerous and are avoided. In a tyrannical government the corrupt politicians always confiscate it’s citizen’s guns. History has proven this time and time again. It’s starting in the United States and we have to let our elected officials know that gun control will not work unless they take guns away from the criminals and improve the nations Mental Health systems and awareness of bizarre behavior and to alert the proper authorities of mentally ill people who threaten to hurt and kill other. States who have right to carry laws have less crime than States who have draconian restrictive guns laws.

      118. This witch was just waiting in the works for something like this. She is just relishing the moment.

        But you must realize one thing about this lady. She is not normal. She is not like you and I. She is DERANGED!

        But that is her problem and I care not. If she wants to go to hell, I wouldn’t care. But the problem with this unfit mentally deranged women is that she THINKS YOU SHOULD GO TO HELL!

        If she has her way, it is something that will be very terrible that a foul minded women should win out and triumph over her worthless endeavors that only add up to tragic nonsense.

      119. NWO very relevant accurate to today’s AmeriKa political demise collapse Prepper Adventure Fiction Book Series Author .

        Worth your time reading lotsa good tips and tactics for survivalists . Rated XXX – Not for Kids !

        Author : Matthew Bracken
        University of Virginia and UDT/SEAL training in 1979.

        • coco

          It is now clear beyond all doubt that our real enemies reside domestically..

          D.C is the Trojan Horse..and within lies the usurpers all.


      120. So the gunman’s Mom was a prepper…but a nut job. Great. This gives us all a bad name.

        As for the 2012 predictions.
        Ask the folks on the east coast if it came true for them.
        It’s all relative.

        In my own life…the folks with the MCMansion lost their home.
        A dude I know got lung cancer from the chem trails

        And my dog just puked and I have to go clean it up. ha

      121. (Sorry, coding hints are wrong.)

      122. Dear America!

        What about a non-violent murder protection? this option – – is an option worth to be considered after so many other “solutions” to this age old problem which have failed ALL.

        Think! And be brave.

      123. republican congressmen are now coming out this morning in support of gun control and mental health. This will end up having bipartisan support.

        • Eeder, can you provide names? We must write and call every one of these turncoats!

          • connie mack IV, mary bono mack

        • eeder

          Repukicans are no supporters of our Constitution either!
          They postulate as such but are just as deceptive as their counterparts..

          Trust none of the 535 in DC..none of them!


          • i understand this possee.

      124. peter lanza, the shooters father was supposed to testify at the LIBOR scandal hearing this week.

        • eeder

          I found the same claims by fabian4liberty and crabbydogtrix in the last few’s even posted on sgtreport as well..

          Unfortunately I can not 100% verify any of this and I usually trust all those sites as credible..

          Still..this does not pass the smell test at all!!!!


      125. Nature does not like a vacuum and that includes a spiritual vacuum.

        When you throw God out the window the Devil walks in through the front door and makes himself at home.

        Where ever the Devil takes up residence chaos is sure to follow. You all know that this has been evolving over decades. Like darkness is just the absence of light so evil is just the absence of good.

        The way to combat this is a massive national call to repentance, prayer and acknowledgement of God and Christ everywhere in the nation. To demonstrate, if you want to clear a room of trouble makers just start to go all Jesus on them and they are out the Door. Those with evil over them just can’t stand proclamations about Christ or prayer. It really does make them physically sick.

        That is why there has been such a push to get God out of government or public places. If you want to avoid the inevitable war and all it entails then forcible start to push God and Christ back into the governing systems

      126. This was a satanic sacrifice, do not doubt, this was ordered by the nwo.

      127. The CW2 Cube: Mapping the Meta-terrain of Civil War Two

      128. My friend who is a gun dealer told me: “Buy your guns now!”
        He’s an ex cop and many PD’s around the country purchase through him.
        The inside scoop/fear is that come Jan. 1st TPTB will make future firearm purchases near impossible.
        Best case scenario is like in 94 where if you own it prior to the law passing then you’re grandfathered in.
        It would be way too difficult to confiscate from owners, but expect mandatory registration and additional taxation out the a$$ for all firearms owned. They can’t force you to give them up but they can very easily make it terribly inconvenient, costly, and a general headache to own one.

        Buy your AR’s, AK’s, semi-auto pistols, extra mags, and ammo now. And just in case the worse case scenario happens and they somehow outright ban these things, make sure you at least have a fixed-mag bolt action rifle, a revolver, a shotgun and enough ammo for each in your collection so you still have something left when they try to take away the others because they will make it close to impossible to even buy these in the very near future.

      129. Folks, whether we like it or not, the US Government has forsaken the law abiding private citizen.First they’ve taken or freedoms with the bogus Patriot laws and NDAA, second they took our hard earned money, next they are coming for our firearms. They got our food, fuel and the basics warming up in the bullpen for confiscation and Rationing.
        When are we going to Say “ENOUGH”? Maybe we’ve said it so much they just scoff and say “yeah sure you aren’t going to do anything about it .”
        Now what ?

      130. Globalist Whore Political Prostitute Hilary “the murdering lying shyster who doesn’t swallow” Clinton Faints, Suffers Concussion, “Claim Suffering From Amnesia” ;0P

        Won’t Testify to Congress on Benghazi CIA MOSSAD Assassination planned Murder of gay homo boylover NAMBLA CIA Asset Libyan Ambassador by CIA AL-CIA-DUH supported LIBYAN FSA REBELS Scandal .



        ~N.O. ;0p

      131. for those of you who have not witnessed just how cruel human beings can be to each other you have one hell of a shock on the way…reading about it is one thing seeing it first hand is another.
        i fear for my grand babies, i fear for my wife and children and how they are going to handle this god awful mess that is no longer coming but right here in front of us.
        i am afraid…the evil force has gained so much power that iam not sure that asking creator not to abondon us is going to help anymore.

      132. The only way ” real change ” will happen is when blood flows in the street – The only way to defeat real ” Evil ” is kill it – POINT BLANK !!!!!!

      133. Whew! Sure is dark on here today. Looks like I’ll watch all this come about by the first of the year. 2013 sure seems like it will be interesting to say the least. I hope all here have a very Merry Christmas and happy New Year. Stay vigilant and keep the faith.

      134. Tragic! Tears, thoughts ands prayers to all of the victims, families, friends and first responders that have/had to deal with the awlful crime scene.

        I just checked my guns and they are still resting quietly in their safe and gun cabinet. pistols, shotguns, hunting bolt action rifles and my semi-auto rifle. None of them jumped out the their spot and began shooting at innocent people.

        I just checked my kitchen knives; they too are resting easy.

        My car never picked up a drunk driver and crashed last night, It too remained in my driveway, unable to move on its own power.

        My car keys never jumped up and ran to start my car.

        My pencils never wrote anything racial or anti “any group”. They also remained quiet on my desk.

        My computer keyboard never acted on its own and typed this. Oh, I guess it took HUMAN ACTION to make this keyboard properly and all of the other events to occur.

        Stop blaming OBJECTS. Blame sick people. Yes yes yes the shooter had access to weapons that were left available to him but there were more traffic deaths yesterday in the US than what the sick ass did to innocent children and teachers. Why aren’t people demanding more action to stop those traffic deaths? Perhaps go back to horse and buggy days?

        please help everyone heal and trust in you with this horrible event

      135. Let them make the first move. Whether it be by gun ban, confiscation or Martial Law. It is important that we remove all doubt that a peaceful way to solve this is beyond all hope. If and when it starts even they will not be able to stop what will be set in motion. I want you all to carefully think about this. We do not need crazies going off half cocked. We will judge them by their actions.

      136. Once again they move on innocent individual’s for their own agenda.

      137. @ slingshot,

        Yessirree, they absolutely MUST be given ALL the rope with which to hang themselves….let the proof be plainly, evidently visible, then…

      138. @ BI,

        Planetary magnetometers are and have been going fruit for over 24 hours…so have the satelitte based sensors. The very active region I mentined last week is imminently to roll in on the north-east limb, mere hours till first glance, as it were. Additionally, we had another large magnitude GRB last night….there’s a lot going on right now Friend….Eyes Open.

      139. Here’s an as good as any explanation as to what’s going on with these planned and staged events (Note the father of the alleged “lone” perpetrator is to testify on the LIBOR scandal, just like Holmes’ father. Coincidence? Only if you’re a “Coincidence Theorist”.):

        Pt. 1:

        Pt. 2:

        Make these go viral. The exposure may thwart the objective of the PTB.

      140. I expected this early next month, and it is happening early next month. The tragedy in Connecticut was a huge windfall for the fascists to whip up anti-gun hysteria to push them to success. Lower the topsails. Batten down the hatches. We are in for it bigtime. This is going to be the anti-gun hysteria of 1968 all over again and worse.

      141. Someone needs to stick a knitting needle in her head. And then maybe they can ban knitting needles. She is a psycho piece of shit that for some reason the brain dead lemming in her district keep voting back in. If “they” want a civil war that they will loose just like the French revolution, then come for the guns.

      142. @ Just One Guy – thank you, very true.

        @ Be Informed – I just sat down in front of the computer and wrote down everything you told me. Everyone in my
        family prefers pistols, although they have some rifles.
        Thank You So Much for your time and thoughts.
        Not only I, but many appreciate it.

        • @ Emily. There are so many people that help each other, and I am confident that if some monster was going to murder a bunch of inncoent people that most people on this site would risk their own lives to try to stop the psycho. The media makes preppers out to be rotten misfits that are socially selfish, but we all know this not to be true at all. Of course just look at the garbage that the mass media sprews out each day that has no value at all. The preppers/survivalists will be the ones to see tomorrow.

      143. how come things i post today ,,,dont post???telling mei`m posting to fast to slow down,,heck if i do i`ll be stopped,,,,


      144. Hey,Mac. I have been out of town and hoped when I got back you would have an article on what happened in Abilene,Texas last Thursday. As I pulled into Abilene on the loop I noticed 10 state troopers cars at a business located on the access road. There was a crime tape up with at least 20 LEO’s on the scene.The story so far is that the business bought and sold gold and silver. Five plain clothes Abilene police officers busted in to investigate why the owner was not complying with the obama health care program in filling out 1099’s on all purchases or transaction of $600 of precious metals. They never declared who they were or showed any sign that they were law enforcement. According to a nearby business man within seconds of them entering two shots rang out. Business owner was killed. I presume that if I was selling gold and silver and 5 men assaulted my store they would be coming to rob me. So far I cannot find anyone outside of abilene who has heard of this on their news.Over 150 weapons were found in the back room with 65,000 rounds of ammunition. All legal. The owner had probably taken them on trade from customers wishing to stock up on gold and silver. All legal transactions. I will bet big money that little of “the eveidence” removed from the store ever made it to the station. That’s just how they roll up there. Am amazed that this hasn’t made national news.You might investigate further and do a story on it cause something surely stinks in Abilene.

        • Thanks for the heads up on this. I will check it out shortly and see what I can find.

      145. BI, I’m sorry to be so late to respond to your comment #948078; just now getting online for the day. I’m with you all the way. It burns me to no end to see the anti-selfdefense movement sacrifice innocent lives in pursuit of their evil agenda; they will stop at nothing in order to disarm us. As I said in my earlier post, let somebody kick in their doors and do horrible things to people they love and see how they respond to that, if they survive to talk about it. It’s high time to give them a dose of their own medicine and see how they like it; put the shoe, excuse me, jackboot on them for a change. In response to your comment #948176, I choose A. In response to your comment #948261, I would have no problem with someone doing a “9/11″on the UN building. It’s outrageous that we tolerate so many enemies of our country right here on our own soil. They all need to be forced out of this country. Braveheart

      146. In my opinion, Obama, Bloomberg, Feinstein, et al are all just as guilty of this terrible tragedy as the deranged young man who pulled the trigger. It is reported that the Principal and a teacher together charged the shooter, and of course without having a gun or guns of their own the outcome was obvious and tragic.
        If either or both had had a gun themselves perhaps the outcome would have been different with many lives being saved. So much for the no guns in school laws.
        Again, the mall in the Portland area is a “gun free zone”. Suppose a citizen with a legal permit to carry had been there?

        • There was 1 man there in the mall in Portland with a gun who took aim at the assailant but at the last moment did not fire because an innocent bystander came in site!

          Google the local news in Portland and see for yourself!

          The gunman there saw the armed citizen taking aim and then shot himself!

      147. “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” – the Second Amendment. The people who support anti gun laws support tyranny. The Second Amendment was put in place to protect the people of the United States from these tyrants.

      148. The won’t need to go door to door. They simply offer a cash reward for any guns turned in, no questions asked. Burglaries targeting gun owners will go up accordingly. If the government has records you own a gun, they will send you a letter to turn it in. If you don’t you will be fined and assessed on your federal income taxes. If you continue to resist the IRS will gamish your wages and/or re-possess property. Etc, etc, etc. The only way to resist is to organize gun owners in very, very large numbers and resist peacefully.

      149. Martial law may be declared in cases of major natural disasters, however most countries use a different legal construct, such as a state of emergency.

        My question is: Could not the USA declare martial law ?

        Health disaster is an epidemic under martial law, so could not the GOVT find this an area to say Guns are a health disaster and thus declare Martial law ? and then try to remove guns from our possession ?

        Just curious on your thoughts.

      150. The fact that she is stating that certain guns aren’t used for hunting tells me one thing. I can’t find anything in the constitution that states people may carry weapons only for hunting purposes. She has no interest in what the constitution says or the meaning behind it. She is a liberal nutbag that wants to push the progressive agenda which is to disarm the public. And here is how it will go down…A stink will arise about gun control. As the media spouts out the mess keeping everyone locked on the topic, Obama and congress will pass some bill that allows them to raise taxes to 75% on anyone making over $100,000. You’ll first hear about that after it is passed. While the public rages about that with the media feeding the fires of class warfare, Obama and congress with then quietly pass some bill that roundabout bans guns. You’ll find it okay to have a single action .22 rifle, but that will be about it. If you want anything larger or, God forbid, a handgun, you will have to get approval from your congressman or one of Obamas czars.

      151. This is going to work for them, you realize.

        The timing is near perfect. Things aren’t so awful yet that most people feel like it might not turn around in 5-10 years. And yet things are bad enough that you care about being employed and having any edge to do that.

        This is simple to enforce.

        Publish the ATF lists, and make it so no one can hire you unless you got the “seal of approval” that removes you from the list.


        All y’all going on about the “I sold it at a gun show”… huh well, that’s unfortunate. The .gov apparently sold your ATF seal of approval at a garage sale then. Go figure. Shrug.

        I’m not doing this to rail on anyone, I’m doing it to point out just how easy this is going to be. I’m bloody worried. Yes I am.

        For that matter, the only thing these guns are going to be good for anymore is burying, to be exhumed at some later date when things have totally broken down (which they won’t… not the way you think at least). For interim home defense needs, you don’t dare use the goddam things. They’ll fry you so fast it won’t even be funny.

        You see who’s got the power in this picture.

        You want to work around it I suggest you address those points because… the physical object called “gun” is more or less not what this is about.

        In the end… it IS falling apart. Everyone going on about “I can’t wait for the collapse”… well wait no further. This is it. This has been it for oh… two or so years now. How you enjoying it so far?

        In the end of course someone’s kids will come out the other side and have a better world.

        Rich people’s kids.

        Same as always.

        Soylent Green (metaphorically speaking)… it’s made of you.

      152. Let’s get real. We have 300 million guns plus in private hands of U. S. Citizens. We gunowners have the leverage. No freaking way they will jerk our guns away from us without a major rebellion. They will test the waters to see if we go quietly, but we are not Europeans or Australians.

        What we really need right now is a show of numbers, like a massive Tea Part demonstration in D. C., the likes of which hasnever been seen before. Any Republipuke that goes along with these anti-gun measures needs to be roundly defeated in 2014. Time to show our collective muscle.

      153. If they are moving on us to destroy OUR second amendment then we should be moving on them for doing so……we all need to be doing our part …..THIS IS WAR on the American people NOT this b.s. monetary war ……THIS WAR IS BIGGER …….NObama says this needs to stop…….well I say they need to BE stopped and NOW !!!!!

      154. I had a conversion with a friend of mine on Sat his words to me were enjoy your guns now because they are coming for them, he also stated i would become a political prisoner,I asked if he would please come to my funeral he said he would i fear it will come to that,i hope the republic will survive God Bless America.

      155. Fuck these political assholes, if they want are guns they can have them one bullet at a time. If Obama and Fucked head Feinstein want a war that’s what they’ll get and a hell of a lot more then they bargained for. I swore and oath to defend the Constitution against all any enemies both foreign and domestic. Hope all of you have kept your powder dry.
        Semper Fi

      156. The reason they want to ban weapons is not to protect people from guns. The reason is they are scared s***less of us because they know we should have hung them for the buzzards to pick for what they have already done to this country not to mention what they are planning to do.

      157. ALL libtards are morons.

      158. Damn, I can remember when one hundred was a good thread.

      159. None of this matters now, but I need to get it out there:
        I listened to the police radio correspondence of the shooting.
        Some things are really wrong.
        ***first officer reports window smashed out on front door school
        *** a person(teacher?) reports shadows running past the gym
        ***officer claims they’re coming at me–this is it (and I could sense genuine fear in him)
        ***descriptions going out for a second shooter
        ***many times they say, bragging like, party in custody, over and over

        Added note: how does a principal set in a kid carrying 2 rifles and 2 pistols and not recognize them—
        I saw the video of a child saying he saw a man pinned to the ground in handcuffs—
        I saw 3 officers chase someone into the woods behind the school—
        then an article says a principal told that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple (shows)??…who let a masked man in with a rifle??
        Why always masked and why such armor if you’re gonna kill yourself??
        What happened to the man caught in the woods and the man handcuffed??
        Who broke the window if the(a) principal let the 20 year old in??
        Who was coming at the officer??
        Who is the party in custody??

        Too many questions and here’s what I think.
        Two real shooters; killed the mom before 20 year old was called to school on a farce or errand; let in by principal; then the two shooters broke glass and entered and did the deeds and shot the 20 year old; escaped and caught by the officers not in on the scheme; officers forced to release the shooters with threats that if one word conveyed about the truth, their families would suffer.
        How’s that??
        Explains all the inconsistent stories.
        The child wasn’t lying when interviewed by the reporter.
        Pricipal didn’t lie either–did let the 20 year old in; just didn’t notice the masked shooter until after the glass shattered and they broke in.

      160. The biggest mass murderers in history are Governments. Knowing this, our Founders made sure that the USA had armed citizens. Recent examples such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc… verify this point. These people killed millions upon millions of their own citizens. The 2nd Amendment is not for hunting, not for target shooting, but to keep us free from tyrrany.

        You’ll hear people say: “But they had muskets and flint lock rifles back then – not AR-15’s”. The point to be taken is that the citizenry was armed with the very same arms as the military. In WW1, the military had bolt action rifles – so did US citizens. In WW2 the military had the M-1 Garand semi-automatic rifle. Eventually, so did the US citizens. From Vietnam through today, the military has the M-16. US citizens have the civillian version – the AR-15.

        • Zone Read Right

          The 1st Amendment in 1787 covered the printing press but would anyone curtail it’s validity today with TV, Radio and the Internet?

          In the 20th century roughly 75 million civilians were murdered by their own governments. One thing in common was that they were all disarmed by law prior to the genocide. Now the UN would advocate the disarming of US civilians and worse yet we would actually listen? China that bastion of freedom puts in it’s two bits regarding this internal US issue and it gets carried by the MSM as something to consider?

          20th Century Genocides totals with subject group disarmed.

          Turkey 1915-17 1.5 million
          USSR 1929-45 20 million
          NAZI Germany 1933-45 20 million
          China Nationalist 1927-49 10 million
          China Red 1949-76 20 million
          Guatemala 1960-81 200 K
          Uganda 1971-79 300 k
          Cambodia 1975-79 2 million
          Rwanda 1994 800 k

          Look up JPFO for the data.

      161. Stop paying taxes! If anything pay at the end of the year. Prepare your friends and family. Go concealed carry. Buy more guns. Bring a newbie shooting. Dont give them a inch or they’ll take a foot. Just like tree huggers/environmentalists.
        Fawk them.
        Slaves dont own guns! Id rather die on my feet then on my knees ad you should too!

      162. The UK has some of the toughest gun control laws in the world. I live in the UK and I am a licensed shotgun owner. To get the license for my shotguns I had to complete an application form that had to be countersigned by someone who had known me for at least 5 years and in countersigning the form that person had to say that I was a fit and proper person to hold a firearm.

        The form also gave the police the rights to contact my doctor and check on my medical history to see if I had any mental or physical health problems.

        Before I was issued with my license a specialist firearms officer visited my home and interview me and my family. They interviewed my wife and children, separately from me, asking them if they were ok with me having shotguns in the house. They checked that my security arrangements were satisfactory and that I have a securely fitted galvanised steel gun cabinet.

        They checked with my doctor on my physical and mental health they also ran a thorough criminal records check.

        Only when I had passed all these tests did I get issued with my shotgun license. The license is valid for 5 years and on renewing it I have had to go through exactly the same procedure each time. A license for a handgun/rifle is even more stringent.

        Even with all these checks over that last 30 years every shooting incident that has taken multiple lives has been carried out by someone who is license gun owner.

        The massacre of school children in Dunblane in Scotland some 20 years ago where 15 children were slain was by a maniac with handguns. Assault rifles cannot be owned in the UK. Even my automatic shotgun is restricted and can only hold 3 shells.

        Despite all these tough laws and measures we still have massacres. You cannot stop people killing other people take away their guns and they will find another weapon.

        The latest multiple murders that occurred as a single incident in the UK was by a man deliberately driving a van into a crowded bus stop.

        Give the NRA and your senators and state governors the above information and ask them how effective gun control is in reality it hasn’t stopped these mass murder incidents in the UK. The only people who benefit from gun control are the criminals and thugs who have guns.

        In the UK since handguns were taken away from legal owners and forced them to keep them in their gun clubs. Gun crime has risen by 89%, drive by shootings are becoming so frequent that they don’t even get reported any more in the national media.

      163. Dear Senator frankenstein,

        BITCH! you think we Texans are going to give up our only effective means of defense against the drug cartel paramilitaries that cant wait to come over here in-force to overpower our police and turn Texas’ cities into the same shot-up shit holes that they spawned from?

        If you were a practicing jew you would at least remember what happened the LAST time a progressive government stripped the people of their right to self-defense with firearms.

        I’ve got a bottle of top-shelf tequila waiting for the day you finally meet your maker.


      164. I make videos with katanas. make sure to buy a good katana as a backup if worse comes to worse a katana is very good for self defence. all other swords can work too but a katana is very special its razor sharp, hardened, the blade is strong where it needs to be flexible where it needs to be and fast as your arm can move. it can take off a limb in a blink of an eye. they go thru flesh like butter. in japanese museums there are katanas on display known as a “5 body sword” from a couple hundred years ago….because its a sword that was used in a battle and it cut in half at least 5 bodies consequtively….and not in a overhead cut but sideways. Anyways watch my videos im always adding more. i highly recommend the cold steel brand of katanas as they come to you razor sharp and super high quality. You can buy them from the cold steel website or cheaper at when they are in stock.

        if you buy any other katana make sure it is described as “battle ready” that means its sharp and is made to actually use…not just put on your wall

        • In Kentucky, we don’t take knives to gunfights…or swords!!!

      165. I would just like to point out that they keep calling police officers ‘First Responders’, but that is B.S.!
        They are always the LAST ones there… Their job is to fill out paperwork and draw chalk limes around dead bodies.
        The REAL First responders are the people there when the SHTF and if you are unarmed, you will be traced with chalk by the ‘last responders’, the government.

      166. my view is that there won’t be an all-out “sweep” to collect any guns(save in the case of local disaster scenarios like Katrina) but rather tptb will legislate them and the associated ammo out of use and off the market… you can “keep” them but never be able to shoot them nor buy ammo for them nor even display them in your own home… owners will be legislated into “declaring” them, likely through the IRS (since that illegal alphabet dog and pony show invades nearly every home in America)… then should a situation arise wherein tptb send their thugs into your home and your weapons are “discovered through a normal search of the premesis”, you(and potentially every other legal-aged person in your home) will go to jail on weapons possession charges… or use any one of them to protect you and yours and the same thing will occur, adding of course the charge of felony murder because you intended(by the fact you possess the weapon) to shoot someone…

        welkome to the new amerika – the land where micro-management of self-protection and 20oz sodas reigns

        may God forgive us

        • PP

          I don’t think your too far off. Most likely they will roll them into NFA 34. Like during the amnesty period in 1934 and 1968 with machine guns you will be required to Federally Register them. At some later date the records are there for confiscation. The penalty for possessing an unregistered machine gun / destructive device is a $250,000 fine and 10 years in Federal Prison. That is a pretty significant motivation for compliance.

          A WV pro gun US Senator just made some statements regarding there guns not having a sporting purpose and that something has to be done. We’re eating something with this for sure.

          • PP & KevinToo
            …”The penalty for possessing an unregistered machine gun /destructive device is a $250,000 fine and 10 years in Federal Prison. That is a pretty significant motivation for compliance”… Yet there are machine guns and machine pistols held and used by criminals in the U.S. Then when law abiding Americans no longer have ANY firearms just criminals and government will!!! Even at 67 I never thought I would live long enough to see Americans disarmed. Now there is the possibility we will face Federal felony gun charges.


            • Montana Mike

              I never said any of this stops crime. If your in the cocaine business another decade in jail is not a concern when the very nature of your employment is so deadly.

      167. would the mossberg 590 shotgun be included, anyone?

        • Sooner or later yes.

      168. First if they do come for our guns you better have them offsite and buried. Second you should be banding with like minded individuals in groups of no more than 8 for fire team ambushes. Yes i said it. If you try to fight them on your own you may take out 1 or 2 but you will be dead, your family may become collateral damage in the process. In your fireteam you better have a big caliber weapon like .50 BMG or .338 Lupua. Your fire team should practice and prepare to ambush approaching vehicles. Firsy shot shot should be to the engine block. Second shot should be at the driver and if they don’t bail out keep pounding rounds into the armored vehicle until they do then you unload with everything you got at once and show no mercy and leave no survivors.

      169. How much more can we endure? You have to look at the big picture. A nation on a downhill slide. Printing and spending money into oblivion. Divided on every subject.
        Womens rights, gun rights, enviormental, food, Right to die, Right to work and so on. Many can be fixed quickly but we failed to do so. The weak minded lead by a oppressive news media controled by government manipulation and that government controled by corporate greed through lobbyist. The Independent Thinkers are soon to be heaped into a pile of conspiritors. Even if the Independent Thinker exposes a conspiriscy, most would never see prosecution in a court. LIBOR Rate scandal,Fast and Furious, Wall Street Electronic trading. Precious Metals manipulation. The only sure point is that it will reach an apex which even The PTB can not envision. The very force that empowers them now will consume them also. That force is “Hate”. They simply, Hate us. There is no other logical answer.

        • Hate them back ! …..and when the time comes ………………..kill those you hate as they would kill you .

      170. The coach of Syracuse University Basketball team stated, “If one person in this world, the NRA president, anybody, can tell me why we need assault weapons with 30 shots …”

        Here a Worshipper of the Sphere, actually one of the high priests speaks about an issue that you can guarantee he knows absolutely nothing about. Mention the Federalist Papers and you would get a blank stare. Reply to maintain a balance of power to prevent tyranny in government and you would get laughter fueled by ignorance.

        The average Second Amendment advocate forgot more about history than 80% of those remaining and 99% of true Worshippers of the Sphere. Asking for this guys opinion about this is like asking me how many runs it takes to get a touchdown in basketball.

        • Hes a coach ……………..that says it all . The only person dumber than the coach is a player …….dumb and dumber . Ask this guy his question after a home invasion , after he is tied up , beaten , and his wife raped right in front of him ………..$100 bucks says he will suddenly go out and buy an AK or AR . Just sayin

      171. Who is responsible for the Shady Hook massacre?

        There is and will continue to be a lot of finger pointing to cast blame. Some point to individuals and groups associated with owning firearms. Some point to inanimate objects like the 2nd Amendment or firearms. Some point to the system and say it’s broken. Some point to all things like our current Commander-n-thief did. His statement: “Are we really prepared to say that we are powerless…. In the face of such carnage…that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited upon our children, year after year after year, is somehow the price of our freedom?” Now, Mr. Barruuck Insane Odramr, we get your underlying message and we aren’t fooled by what you are all about.

        The anti-gun establishment, are just throwing darts at what they believe are solutions to the mass killing problems in America. Taking away gun owners rights won’t fix the problem. Keeping guns out of the hands of, “mentally unstable” persons will help, and could prevent another episode of the evil act we have just witnessed. It comes down to one thing and more than one person being involved. It is called “responsibility.” We haven’t heard much about Adams’s father. He shares a portion of the blame. Just because he was divorced from Adam’s mother doesn’t give him a free pass. God knows who all is responsible and they will get their day in His court. Ultimately though, the blame has to be placed on Mrs. Lanza herself. She knew she was “harboring” a ticking time bomb with Adam in the house with “free roam”. Did she know he was capable of such evil? We don’t know. We do know that she was telling friends that she was loosing him. We do know she did “not” have a locked gun-safe with a combination hidden from the psycho maniac that lived under her roof. It doesn’t matter the age or if they are paying rent. A person that owns or has the lease on a property should hold a certain amount of responsibility for others living there. In this case, the mother is fully responsible for those 27 deaths. She made a stupid mistake of leaving “her” weapons “available”, period.

        Look back at the Virginia Tech, Columbine, school shootings. The Colorado theatre, Oregon Mall and the Gabby Gifford events. All those shooters were young white males that were all known to have “mental issues”. There were warning signs, but whom failed to recognize or follow up with monitoring these individuals? Would not these individuals have been better served by 24/7 monitoring? There victims sure as hell would have.

        There are reported to be about 310 million firearms in public circulation in America. There are probably that many more that can’t be identified or tracked. There are 130 thousand FFL dealers and about 51,000 retail dealers. With about 4000 gun shows annually, there is no doubt that a large percentage of us Americans love the 2nd amendment and our guns. We ain’t giving up either without a fight. It is our God given right.

        In 2011 about 18,000 individuals committed suicide with a firearm. About 8000 were murdered. Even with all those deaths, the murder rate has declined by 50% over the past twenty years. Has the murder rate in Russia and Eastern Europe declined since most firearms have been banned? NO! Their rates are higher than in the USA.

        • Why are you not outraged at the innocent people overseas killed by drones and weapond

        • Everybody here knows this is just another smoke screen for communists to disarm the people so that they can finally and openly dismiss the constitution in favor of totalitarian marxism .

      172. Don’t just post your comments here- it’s mostly preeching to the choir. Go to MSM pubs and blanket them with our messages.

      173. To answer Di-Fi’s question (Who needs an assault weapon?): Anyone that needs to defend themself against a rogue police officer invading their home.

        • That happens every day. Rogue police officers are everywhere!! I am sure there are bad police officers and others as well but I have not read about too many rogue police officers doing home invasions lateley.

      174. Feinstein asked, “Who needs these military-style assault weapons? Who needs an ammunition feeding device capable of holding 100 rounds?” The answer is very simple. We all do. We need them to protect ourselves against these tyrants in government that are looking for any and all ways to enslave us. They now look to the UN instead of our Constitution for guidance. Why else would the TSA and IRS be purchasing millions of rounds of ammunition if not to use against us? There is one thing that has kept them at bay, and that is the weapons we possess.

      175. It is time to gather the people and have a revolution and take back our country the way it used to be. The country has turned into a total police state and the only way to get our freedom is to have a revolution.

      176. Recall Dianne Feinstein. First stop the weapons flow and funding of U.S. TAX PAYER MONIES TO U.S. CIA BACKED Al-Qaeda trying to overthrow Syria. Feinstein is suffering from Alzheimer and needs to resign from Congress Senate.

      177. First recall the 1.4 BILLION, yes, Billion rounds of ammo that DHS, Weather Bureau, and Social Security bought this year alone.

      178. Just go ahead and try. I double dog dare you.

      179. “Not retroactively, but prospectively” mentioned by Feinstein means “those who have them can keep them & that there will no longer be any sold to new buyers.
        That means, GET THEM WHILE YOU CAN!

      180. Lets ask a few questions.
        What hunter really needs an automatic rifle ??
        Who really needs a concealed handgung ?
        How many of us have actually had to use a handgun for self defense.

        The answer to the gun problem is right there.

        • Hello TROLLLLLL

      181. Craig:

        What hunter really needs an automatic rifle ??

        The 2nd Amendment has ZERO to do with sport or hunting. Read the Federalist Papers to understand it’s intent.

        Who really needs a concealed handgung ?

        Those that wish to be armed for self defense without drawling undue attention.

        How many of us have actually had to use a handgun for self defense.

        Philip Cook, the director of Duke University’s public policy institute, has examined the data behind the 108,000 and the 2.5 million figures and suspects the truth lies somewhere in between. So the number of times is between 2.5 million annually and 108,000. Most often pointing it or mere possessing it deters the attack. Personally because my and my families life is worth protecting once is enough. The greater question is why the questions when the State of Florida alone has issued over 2 million carry permits since 1987 and revoked 168 for a crime in which a firearm was utilized in the same time period. If self defense is an inherent right it’s illogical to not have the means considering the tremendous data base showing the law abiding nature of carry permit holders.

      182. PROBLEM ,REACTION ,SOLUTION…….Standard MO.
        The list of children who committed atrocities due to being on psychiatric drugs is unending.Most killers snap because of these drugs,even mothers who kill their children do so because of these drugs but no one wants to talk about that.
        Big Pharma might get it’s shorts in a knot.
        Also,when Joe citizen is armed and takes action in these situations it cuts down on dead count from 14 to 2.I’m SO SICK of the BS and lies I could scream.
        Someone please start a petition to the Whitehouse to allow citizens in gun free zones to be armed .Another petition also for forbidding children to be put on these drugs and for all people to be tested for enzyme function in the liver before being allowed to take them.

        • I don’t own a gun, but I know that our own military trained Iraqi woman how to shoot these weapons.
          Do they have gun free zones in USA occupied Iraq?

      183. what about the killing from drunk drivers in the U.S.?
        what about people on phones while driving?
        what about the killing of unborn babies?
        the people that spend time and money trying to get rid of
        guns should spend the same amount on getting drunk drivers
        off the road. to put a stop to abortions. to stop people
        on phones while driving.
        any one of these issues kills more than all the guns in the world.
        were are the priorities?

      184. Enough of the chest thumping..You all need to get off of these chat sites. Most of you are unaware that all of these types of sites are monitered by Homeland Security. Your threats and comments are being watched carefully and most of your information is being added to lists and files for future investigation. You are exposing your firearms and preparations to the government. THERE IS NO CYBER ANONIMITY.!!! The time for bravado and threats are past. In the near future, appropriate ACTION will be required. Each of you will be on the top of the LIST, because of your need to brag of your capabilities and views. May God help us. Enuff Said.!

      185. Many states have a right to bear arms in their constitution. The fed can indeed make a law but the state can indeed reject said law. State laws trump fed laws.

        This may get ugly over the right to bear arms.

      186. Oleguy

        The 10th Amendment would come into play with confiscation. A ban on future sale would be legally supportable with the Federal Licensing of Firearms Dealers and the Interstate Commerce Clause.

        It’s kinda funny that the spearpoint of 10th Amendment will probably be the recent legalization of marijuana in two states.

        “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

        There maybe some issues with ex post facto and confiscation of property legally purchased but later deemed illegal. See below.

        An ex post facto law (from the Latin for “from after the action” or “after the fact”), also called a retroactive law, is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences (or status) of actions that were committed, or relationships that existed, before the enactment of the law.

        • this congress does not respect the rule of law…words and law suits will not stop congress from their paid for agenda..only resistance….

      187. Any ban on civilian ownership of “assault weapons” should include all law enforcement agencies and our military as well.

        With the UN weapons ban, no other nation on the globe would have “assault weapons.” Furthermore, in so far as a policing authorities, this would ensure force is met with appropriate force. Why do peace officers need to be armed to the teeth? Why would a military need cutting edge weapons technology, if we’re all partying like it’s 1929? We’re all of course thinking in the same vein.

        When the 13 Colonies declared independence, the patriots all owned and employed the very same technology as the cutting edge, best trained armies in the world. Today, we’re fighting to maintain what margin of deficit we still hold dearly to, and I see this margin widening significantly and soon.

        If I can’t have ’em, then the police shouldn’t have ’em, and if no one else has ’em, then ANY military certainly doesn’t need ’em. Of course, this pipe dream will never get lit.

        The pen is mightier than the sword. Write letters, make phone calls to not just your elected reps, but to family and friends – everyone needs to play a part. I do so in my own capacity, knowing what I must do when the inkwell runs dry…

        • In GA police cars have a legal window tint exemption so now our storm troopers are rolling with blacked out windows. Of course the rest of the people paying their salaries get a ticket for it. So much for leading by example.

      188. Just as the days of Noe were. Now, go learn what that “meaneth”.

      189. A great man, Emilio Zapata once said “it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees” Viva Zapata!

      190. time to put up or shut up..on your knees…..

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