Some lawmakers are finally getting it, with the latest example coming from Jerry O’Neil, a state congressional representative in Montana.
At one time a trivial matter for O’Neil, he says he now understands the damage being done by the Federal Reserve’s monetary policy and the over $16 trillion in U.S national debt.
In a letter to Montana’s Legislative Services, the congressman notes that the U.S. Constitution prohibits the payment of debts in anything but gold and silver, and says that his oath to the Constitution and the people he represents can only be honored if the government pays his legislative salary to him, “in gold and silver coins that will still have value when the U.S. dollar is reduced to junk status.”
The full copy of the letter (pdf) is available below:
November 12, 2012
State of Montana Legislative Services
Central Services Office
Post Office Box 201706
Helena, Montana 59620-1706Re: Legislator Compensation
Dear Legislative Services:
Last week I was re-elected to serve the people of House District 3 as their Representative in the Montana Legislature. Once again it will be my privilege to take the oath of office, promising to obey and protect the United States Constitution and the Constitution of Montana.
When campaigning, some of my constituents informed me I was not honoring my duty to uphold and defend the United States Constitution. The area of their concern is the prohibition, contained in Article I, Section 10, that states, “No state shall – – make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts – -.” They ask me how I, a policy maker for the State of Montana, can ignore this clear constitutional prohibition.
Over the 10 years I have previously served in the legislature I have considered this a trivial matter that would show me to be out of step with our national rulers if I made an issue out of it. I did not want to be branded as a fanatic over an issue of no consequence.
Today I am looking at this issue in a new light. When I was going to my constituents homes I agreed with them the most important issue for the coming legislative session will be to protect them from the economic debacle hanging over our heads.
With just a cursory look at history we know a country that lives beyond its means faces dire consequences. Having a $16,000,000,000,000 national debt is a warning sign we can only ignore at our peril. Having such a debt and allowing it to increase unchecked is an invitation for national suicide.
It is very likely the bottom will fall out from under the U.S. dollar. Only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value. The Keynesian era of financing government with debt appears to be close to its demise. If and when that happens, how can we in the Montana Legislature protect our constituents?
The only answer I can come up with is to honor my oath to the U.S. Constitution and request that your debt to me be paid in gold and silver coins that will still have value when the U.S. dollar is reduced to junk status. I therefore request my legislative pay to be in gold and silver coins that are unadulterated with base metals.
I am not asking for you to give me gold and silver American Eagles at their face value of $50.00 and $1.00, but rather at their current market prices that today are $1,801.00 and $35.28.
Hopefully this will be an example for our Montana citizens and prompt them to also have some of their own wealth in money that has intrinsic value.
Yours truly,
Jerry O’Neil
Hat tip Beyond Collapse author TJ Miller
Great idea. I’m taking all my business in gold payment. Beautiful plan!
Also…since the election many States are showing distaste for the election. I know nothing will happen with this but just makes me proud that people are FINALLY starting to stand up!!!!
Here is the full list of states that plan to secede from the union:
Missouri
Pennsylvania
Arizona
Oklahoma
Arkansas
South Carolina
Georgia
Missouri
Tennessee
New York
Virginia
South Carolina
Indiana
Mississippi
Kentucky
Florida
North Carolina
Alabama
Texas
Louisiana
Maybe there is still a glimmer of hope that many are not (totally) lost.
So this is an expression of many people who desire to fire the federal government. Last I heard my state had a whole two sign on for this.
Only two?
Many get it, but 99% of them are unwilling to act on it. I tip my hat to this guy and hope others will have the balls to stand up for the Law in the future.
The thing is GC is that you have to sign in on the WHITE HOUSE website in order to sign the petition which means that they have your first & last name along with email address… etc.
That in itself is disenfranchising and probably will stop many from doing it.
Tina., you make a good point ., it becomes a conflict of interest.
Our first name , last and email address is probably their way of saying , ” it’s for your protection.” NOT! 🙁
Everyone needs to sign the petitions. Courage my friends. We must stand together. One day you might need us to break down the gates of a FEMA camp and save you. Sign and the few will not be at risk.
Just remeber It’s not paranoia, if they really are watching you. lol
To succeed is not the answer. It was not the answer for the south and it still is not the answer.
What is their specific problem or issue other than Obama? If they can’t say that, why should anyone listen to them. We need to repair that nation to carve it up into smaller broken parts!
This is where you can sign….if you dare.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
Sorry MAC. I didn’t mean to hijack your thread!!!
You’re implying that they don’t already have that info. Anyone who voted for Ron Paul, anyone who wants to end the Fed, and probably anyone who comes to this site are already on the Fed list of potential domestic terriers. I signed for Fla since I know they already know who I am.
It is both sad and amusing that it is so hard to simply say what is so obvious and so well-documented: “Jews” control the media, so “Jews” control “our” history books, documentaries, entertainment, and shape the perception of current events—”Jews” control the banks, so “Jews” control “our” government and our military. If THEY say these things, it is pride. If GOYIM say these things, it is “antisemitism.”
Wake up! Their agenda to depopulate and enslave the goyim is not new. Millennia before there ever was a Nazi, “Jews” touted their Master Race creed.
THEN AND NOW!
“The best of the gentiles should all be killed.”
Talmud, tractate Soferim 15 rule 10
God created them [goyim] in the form of men for the glory of Israel… for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved of this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him. Midrash Talpioth 225a
Google: “The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews”
Ma’ariv 09.11.09 (p. 2) by Roi Sharon
“For, the world was created only for the sake of Israel. There are none called the children of God, except Israel. There are none beloved of God, except Israel. ” Seven Minor Treatises: Sefer Torah; Mezuzah; Tefillin; Zizit; Abadim; Kutim; Gerim And Treatise Soferim II.
Edited from manuscripts with an introduction, notes, variants and translation. By Michael Higger, Ph.D. New York; Block Publishing Company. 1930. Pp. 47-48.
October 18, 2010 Senior Sephardi Rabbi Ovadia Yosef announces that Gentiles only exist to serve Jews:
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel… In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.”
“Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews” by Jonah Mandel, Jerusalem Post, 10/18/2010
“Aaron ben Joseph ha-Levi of Barcelona (1235 – c.1290) author of Sefer haHinukh, agrees with Maimonides. He writes: ‘A gentile slave has to be enslaved forever … one of the main reasons being that since the Jewish nation is the elite of the human race and the Jews were chose to worship their creator and to serve before Him they deserve to have slaves to serve them. If they will not have slaves from the midst of the neighboring nations they will have to get slaves from their own midst and they (i.e., the Jewish slaves) will be unable to serve God; therefore we are command to keep gentiles slaves forever …’”
Judah M. Rosenthal. The Slavery Controversy and Judaism. Conservative Judaism, Volumes 31-32, p.171.
Google the content if you want to verify the references for yourself. If I add the links, the post is censored immediately.
As a American Patriot and Orthodox Jew, I can tell you most Orthodox Jews are very conservative and Patriotic and Pro-Israel all at the same time. I can tell you your badly strung together “proofs” are wrong or out of context and poorly translated. Are there Jews on the left, yes, but there are Jews on the right and many whom helped the founding fathers of these United States and many many whom have died for this great country as defined by our constitution.
JLUFT: the wheels came off of John Q’s wagon long ago. You can always tell the posts of our best ‘Paranoids’ by their lenghtly and detailed rants on the best super-duper-extra-secret conspiracies that exist only in their rattled minds. They usually finds these so-called supporting documents on miniscule sites where the rants are out of control by lunatics who see shadows of conspirators everywhere. Most of the documents are just made up, but even the ones that are real, they are as you pointed out, poorly trnaslated at best. John Q. is just one of our ‘loose screws’ and no one pays him much mind. Although sometimes, he can be calm and focused and actually make some good points, just not this time.
This is not a matter of “left” and “right,” but a matter of right and wrong. The Master Race creed of Judaism teaches that only they are human, that the rest of us are animals (and devils) who must be killed or enslaved. Neither is it a matter of “context.” Their “holy books” are full of genocidal imprecations, perversion, and hypocritical double standards. Decent people call any Master Race creed “WRONG.”
You mentioned the laughable “context” alibi. I rather like what Michael Hoffman wrote in Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition, and Deceit. ISBN 13: 9780970378453 pages 137-138 (now available in e-book format):
“‘Context’ is everything for the defenders of the Talmud. Fair enough. But by ‘context’ they do not mean taking into account the surrounding text, but rather submitting to Judaism’s own narrative about itself, which includes how it presents problem texts to non-Judaic audiences…. The rabbis even deny in many cases that there is a plain meaning…. It is enough that [the rabbi] states it and gentiles believe it; anything else is ‘antisemitic.’ This pattern of intimidation and thought control is repeated with monotonous effect, by thought cops and apologists for Judaism. It is a stock response intended to frighten off the opposition, premised mainly on the moral authority of the declarative sentences used by the ‘expert’ on Judaism. Debate (‘polemic’) on the part of informed skeptics is not permitted, since it constitutes the ‘misuse’ of a scholar’s knowledge of rabbinic texts. Debating tactics and polemical tools are reserved solely for rabbis and their allies, along with just a dash of permissible dissimulation to leaven the burden of swallowing the pottage. And when deception and ‘out of context’ statements serve to advance Judaism, they are all well and good….”
As for the other familiar dissembling and risible diversions, all one has to do is read the Judaic literature intended for Judaic consumption. What is produced for the goyim, included many expurgated Talmud editions, is sanitized and full of lies.
As for Gregory 8, I have no “wagon,” just plenty of reference books. The good news is that increasing percentage of goyim are awakening to the Master Race roots of the genocide and economic crimes against humanity that have been waged against us. Sad fact: You have sown wind and will reap a whirlwind whether in this life or the next.
U cant be pro usa and pro israel. If u understood our constitution, u’d realize we shouldnt be protecting your giant welfare state homeland. Israel is a serign nation hat should fight its own wars, on its own.
Please seek psychiatric care immediately. Your medicine is not working and/or may require dosing adjustment. Do not drive a car,operate heavy machinery or make legal decisions until you have been evaluated by a professional psychiatrist. Eat a cookie, go back to your corner…it will be all right. Puppy dogs and lolly pops.
I quote the rabbis, their “holy books,” and the Israeli press and that makes me crazy?
Try again.
Hmmmm… It is both sad and amusing that it is so hard to simply say what is so obvious and so well-documented: “Jews” control the media, so “Jews” control “our” history books, documentaries, entertainment, and shape the perception of current events—”Jews” control the banks, so “Jews” control “our” government and our military. If THEY say these things, it is pride. If GOYIM say these things, it is “antisemitism.” Wake up! Their agenda to depopulate and enslave the goyim is not new. Millennia before there ever was a Nazi, “Jews” touted their Master Race creed. THEN AND NOW! “The best of the gentiles should all be killed.” Talmud, tractate Soferim 15 rule 10 God created them [goyim] in the form of men for the glory of Israel… for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved of this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him. Midrash Talpioth 225a Google: “The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews” Ma’ariv 09.11.09 (p. 2) by Roi Sharon “For, the world was created only for the sake of Israel. There are none called the children of God, except Israel. There are none beloved of God, except Israel. ” Seven Minor Treatises: Sefer Torah; Mezuzah; Tefillin; Zizit; Abadim; Kutim; Gerim And Treatise Soferim II. Edited from manuscripts with an introduction, notes, variants and translation. By Michael Higger, Ph.D. New York; Block Publishing Company. 1930. Pp. 47-48. October 18, 2010 Senior Sephardi Rabbi Ovadia Yosef announces that Gentiles only exist to serve Jews: “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel… In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.” “Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews” by Jonah Mandel, Jerusalem Post, 10/18/2010 “Aaron ben Joseph ha-Levi of Barcelona (1235 – c.1290) author of Sefer haHinukh, agrees with Maimonides. He writes: ‘A gentile slave has to be enslaved forever … one of the main reasons being that since the Jewish nation is the elite of the human race and the Jews were chose to worship their creator and to serve before Him they deserve to have slaves to serve them. If they will not have slaves from the midst of the neighboring nations they will have to get slaves from their own midst and they (i.e., the Jewish slaves) will be unable to serve God; therefore we are command to keep gentiles slaves forever …’” Judah M. Rosenthal. The Slavery Controversy and Judaism. Conservative Judaism, Volumes 31-32, p.171. Google the content if you want to verify the references for yourself. If I add the links, the post is censored immediately.
Texas already has 25,000 signatures on its petition for SECESSION! Great list, Tina.
ALL of the states listed MUST SUCCEED TO SECEDE! You heard it from me FIRST right here! 🙂
The monsters of New York City should fend for themselves. They have tried to ruin all the countrymen of sovereign individuals all over the North American continent.
It is our Manifest Destiny to be free of the wretched, squalid den of corruption, morass of depravity that is D.C. and N.Y.C. The international bankster fraudsters and their scumbag mouthpieces must learn the meaning of DON’T TREAD ON ME!
The Declaration of Independence is our guide in NATURAL LAW to tear asunder the shackles and chains of the centralized behemoth monster located in that quagmire of tyranny called D.C. and N.Y.C.
Louisiana has 30,488 .
Texas has 80,000. Leave it to Tejas to go overboard!!:-)
A small bit of info is needed here…
In order to secede, the state, or at least its legislature, would have to hold a vote on it (at least that’s how the members of the long-defunct Confederate States of America did it).
Not seeing that one happening quite yet – at least not at this stage of collapse. Too early still.
Tina , really !!! not gonna happen, further more, anyone who puts there name on one of those petitions,will be first in line on round up day. just sayin….
Well…I know I am going to get bashed for saying this but I am DAMN sick and TIRED. Sick and tired of standing around watching this country be taken over. I am tired of sitting quietly by. I’m ready to stand up. It is time to take a stand for something. People sitting on their hands is ONE of the reasons we are in this mess.
What good is SURVIVING when you give up LIVING!!!!!
Michigan is working on one also
Those idoits down state voted for him why would they let us seceed
largetarget
Lots of those lame idiots are moving up this way. Mostly the ones with money.
If we are lucky, this movement will turn into a deluge. more and more disaffected citizens will say, “enough is enough”. First, signed petitions. Then taking to the streets. Then, we have what we all know is coming–martial law.
This isn’t that hard to figure out. Changes coming soon folks. In a short time, things will never be the same as they have been . get your house in order. the fun begins soon.
As of this morning,
arizona, alabama, arkansas, alaska, cal, col, del, fla, ga, ky, kansas, indiana, tn, tejas, utah, wyoming, w. va., la, mich, miss, mont, mo, ny, nev, neb, nc, nd, nj, ok, ohio, oregon, pa, s.d., s.c..
Update:
New Hampshire, Illinois??:-(, Idaho, R.I., Virginia, Wisconsin.
And any in Austin, Texas…some a**hole just added this one:
Peacefully grant the city of Austin Texas to withdraw from the state of Texas & remain part of the United States.
Must be a bussed in liberal??:-(
Oh Barf! I am in Austin – guess I am going to have to move further out so I can still be a Texan!
Austin is the San Francisco of the Southwest.
Austin if full of liberals and other forms of leftists/Marxists.
The rest of Texas should build a fence around it and demand that anyone leaving there produce a passport.
I realize this may change, but my, my, I don’t see a single solitary state listed from the much touted “American Redoubt”.
Montana and Wyoming.
Oregon was in there too.
Oregon has legal marijuana. You figure it out. 🙂
Those who are signing this petition are not thinking. This petition is on the White House web site. So, either the President is presiding over the breakup of the Union, or those who sign this petition will be arrested for sedition.
Regardless, a very few people signing said petition will NOT be a secession. That would take the majority of the voting populations of said states voting for it in an election.
North Carolina will never secede from the union. There are too many people on welfare. I know, I live here.
I’d just be happy if the all the counties west of Statesville would secede from Raleigh.
Wish Wa State would step up but the legislation here is full of Californian’s so I doubt this will ever happen.
Always believed the south would rise again. This time it looks like we’ve gained more states than we had in the confederacy during the first civil war.
ALL FIFTY STATES YEEEEHAW
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-reach-660000-signatures-50-state-participation/
I just looked over all the petitions. Texas tops the stack with 102k signatures. Next highest is LA at 37k. While I was looking, own state went from 18,335 to 18,408 in a matter of about 10 minutes.
Awesome! Maybe if we can threaten with sucession they’ll straighten up. No, not really. That was sarcasm. What they will do is become brutal, just like in the last war of northern agression. This, time, however, I think the outcome might be different. There is no moral glue to spray people with and then slam them together. No fake moral indignance about slavery.
It still honks me off that the Imancipation Proclamation *ONLY* *APPLIED* *TO* *THE* *SOUTHERN* *STATES*. Liars. They didn’t have any moral prohibitions to slavery, they just USED IT to win a war to make us ALL slaves to DC and the Federal Government.
For the record, not one of those states is planning on secession. Some thousands of citizens have signed petitions to the White House, but no state legislature is working on the issue.
Jerry O’Neil is an idiot, just like all the other folks who are screaming that Bernanke is “printing” money. There are not too many dollars in the system. If there were too many dollars in the system WE would have hyperinflation.
BTW the PTB are already planning on a metals backed currency and will implement it again once the USA becomes the next oil export giant … coming in a couple of years as I have mentioned here before.
It will happen when importing nations of the Empire must pay for their oil from US in gold, returning wealth to DC and NYC. One thing that you have to say for the GB’s: they are not stupid.
Give the Devil his due … then kill the FED.
How is Jerry O’Neil an idiot for upholding his oath to defend the Constitution?
Don’t be so hard on Durango, Jerry’s pay in precious will buy a lot more oil if what Durango says is true. Good take on the rest though. Thats the way its always been, wealth flows back and forth. He just didn’t understand that the money is indeed “printed” or credited to the banks, but not yet passed through. Once it gets out there, hoo boy. Why hasn’t it and how will it get out? The bankers are now deciding if they will use it to get gold in order to save themselves in the coming real money recovery, or stimulate the economy like it was intended. Either way, I don’t like our chances. Durango is absolutely correct about the Fed.
Grandpa: Thanks for your support but really, criticism is water on a duck’s back for me from people who are obviously ignorant about how their banking system really works.
That “money” will never see the light of day. even Lew Rockwell knows it is “stuck in the banks”. That money is not going anywhere any time soon. All it does is replace the banks losses as they de-leverage US and take the losses on foreclosures and bad derivatives.
You can take that statement to the bank! 🙂
DK, I can tell an apology is in order. You would of appreciated the look on the bankers face when I took possession of my bullion, he was stammering ya, ya, ya really taking it out of the bank? I’ll just take that statement and keep it too.
MS: Jerry is an idiot for believing that the banks have printed too much money. That tells me that Jerry knows nothing about either money or banking. If you believe him you obviously do not understand either, either.
A gold standard is a very bad idea for many reasons which I have spoken to here before and others across the web have seconded and expanded upon.
Currently China receives OUR debt and promise to pay in PAPER FRN’s. Under a metals money standard, they would receive OUR real wealth
Bad idea.
DK. I’ve had a theory for years. That TPTB have intentionally kept domestic energy production…. difficult?? This was a long term plan to “use up” the rest of the world’s resources, preserving ours. Lest anyone forget, imported oil has been stupid cheap until recently. And really, it’s still relativley cheap. And once oil is gone, it’s gone. It’s not a renewable resource. And it is not only used as fuel. In the future, people will consider us stupid for burning it. Like when gasoline, a wothless by-product before autos, was dumped in the river.
I think our “trick” will be to survive as a nation, until this time.
Rick: With respect to US using the resources of others first, I have always believed that too. It also applies to other minerals like metals. The PTB are not stupid even if they pretend like they are.
I believe that the PTB are willing to use OUR resources now because they have seen the future of energy and that future of energy is various alternative energies, based upon new technologies, so it is only natural to use hydrocarbons now at relatively high prices to maximize their investment and their inventories: especially when they will charge the Empire GOLD to have it.
Its coming.
Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
but debt is the money of slaves.
Bad Euro. Gold is a Commodity well maybe a reserve but we do not swap it, lend it or have it…so there, unless your talking about this peice of paper that says its gold. Good reminder and comment but there should something about fiat and fools.
Marc Faber: Prepare for a Massive Market Meltdown
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49802535
Wealthy Dump Assets
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49792979
Hmm, Gramps, I may not be of Royal blood but I certainly “have it” and would “swap it” if the need were to arise (possibly to purchase the next currency), but never “lend it”. Only a “fool” would do that.
I was paraphrasing central banks and in no way was the comment in regards to you. I should have made that clearer. I always enjoy your comments. Glad you have it, as it will soon be rising so fast, no one will be selling.
Gold. The best material in the universe to represent stored value. Nothing else come close. Everthing else that tries is just a cheap imposter.
It’s Durable. Devisable. Can’t be faked or created. Is recognized by all, everywhere, forever, back in time and forward. Exists in limited, but available quantities.
Fiat has a place. Used for everday transactions, it’s neccesary. But debt and fiat are not ideal vehicles to store your wealth. They can be, and are, manipulated. Gold (physical gold) can’t be manipulated. The value in fiat, they try, but gold will win. I hope I live to see the stampede to gold when fiat and debt fails in this modern, connected world. It will be an awesome spectacle to behold!
GOLD – “It’s Durable. Devisable. Can’t be faked or created”…Well, that may change, see this link->
http://vr-zone.com/articles/scientists-make-gold-with-bacteria/17342.html
Not exactly alchemy. These bacteria “strip” the gold out of goldchloride. They don’t create gold, just a novel way to process minute amounts gold from gold chloride. Ehich doesn’t exist in quantity anyhow. But a cool story.
The oceans are proven to contain trace amounts of gold. But together, huge amounts. My idea is autonomos robots floating around for years, with some way of attracting, “growing” the trace amounts over time. And then harvest them after a point in time. Like that grove of walnut trees I should have planted 30 years ago.
Okay… ‘fess up. I’ve read that somewhere before but I’ll be damned if I can remember where.
-Norm Franz, “Money and Wealth in the New Millenium”
USURY IN CHRISTENDOM
The Mortal Sin That Was and Now Is Not
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2012/10/book-usury-in-christendom-pre.html
and land is the money of supermen
All the rulers (Dictators) that wanted payment in Gold were killed by our government and its war machine
I understand what this guy is saying, but is he asking to be “taken out” ?
just rememeber the last guys that asked to be paid for thier services and resources in gold, were killed by our US government military machine :0
VRF, I love the guy’s moxie but I agree with you, he’ll be taken out. Hope others follow suit and stand in agreement with the constitution. And elected, uphold it.
Yeah. I agreee we should all start asking for gold as our payment for work and tip this apple cart right the hell over
lets all start come monday morning
this man is showing the courage that we all must have to right this ship.
Correction: All the rulers (Dictators) that wanted payment in Gold were killed by
ourthe Zionist Occupied Government and its war machineSorry , John you are correct.
this isnt OUR government anymore..this problem is theirs to correct , not ours.
Can not miss with gold….
Wow, I bet this is already side shelved as fringe
JJsan
Four leaders in the 20th century on assuming their positions as leaders, or in some cases dictators, outlawed possession of Gold. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Franklin D. Roosevelt.
About time SOMEBODY in a State legislature actually read the Constitution !
Not only should he be paid in gold/silver, ALL State debts are required to be paid in the same form…Constitutionally, they CAN’T use paper money, checks, electronic fund transfers….none of that…..
Art. 1 Sec. 10:
No State shall: …. make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;…..
The real question is WHY hasn’t this been an issue before now ??
Economist Byron Dale tried thirty years ago to make it an issue, and was knocked down violently by his local law enforcement officials for it. Read his book called “Bashed By the Bankers.”
The bankers will NOT have their money machine threatened or taken away. This is the whole reason we are breathing down Iran’s neck right now. They do not charge usury on their money (along with North Korea and Cuba).
It would take a heavy-handed revolution to make this change in the US. That means threats of recall and follow-through if the politicians do not introduce legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and nullify the 16th Amendment. Make them more afraid of coming home fired, disgraced as they return to their states and home town.
not surprisingly, the U.S. gov hates North Korea and Cuba too…do I need to wonder why?
Read “The miracle on Main Street” by F. TUPPER SAUSSY. It’s all about Article 1 Sec 10.
Hell Yes!
If this goes anywhere at all — and I doubt it will — it would only lead to a constitutional amendment either fully nullifying the requirement of paying debts in gold or silver coin, or more likely, allowing debt to be covered by whatever constitutes “legal” tender in the eyes of the government. What other choice would the administration have?
He shot a hole in his own boat when he quoted Article I, Section 10, that states, “No state shall – – make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts – -.”
This applies only to STATES and is not a limitation on the federal government. Montana cannot bring out their own fiat currency like the U.S. can. If states designate their own currency, it has to be silver or gold which many are currently doing.
How do you figure ‘he shot a hole in his throat’ ?
He simply pointed out what the Constitution requires. And it does not require ( or allow ) a State to coin money. They must use what is in existence…..be that US coin, or foreign coin.
Congress has the requirement to COIN money, (not PRINT ) and regulate the value thereof, and to set value on foreign coin.
Yes, that is a restriction on the states to make nothing except gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts, but don’t you see that by implication if the states are to make nothing but gold and silver, it stands to reason the feds need to do likewise? Congress has the authority to coin money, not print it. Printing is NOT analogous to coining.
SM, I understand your point but the words “reason” and “feds” do not belong in the same sentence.
And although I live in Texas and strongly believe there is no possible solution to our situation short of dividing the Union or civil war, we need to remember that the courts are filled with political hacks who know nothing of keeping their oaths of office. Especially the Supremes who for decades have conditioned us to the ridiculous concept of a “living” Constitution. This situation will become significantly worse over the next four years.
Push comes to shove, the government will either lie, buy the necessary votes or coerce whoever opposes it.
I still say blankets, gasoline, and food have intrinsic value. Gold is only worth what people think its worth. Nevertheless good for Jerry for speaking up.
Maybe next he can teach the federal government what interstate commerce is…
Unfortunately GOLD or any other substance controlled by the elite is the answer..Low IQ sheeple baa baa all the way on this one..Dont go for the HEAD FAKE people.. ask yourself:
1. Who owns the gold mines/production/trading houses?
2. point to JUST ONE time in history this has benefitted the common man?
Hey this sounds good to me! Sign me up! Oh wait I don’t have a job right now, have not for two years, and have been looking hard the last year and had 2 interviews!! 2 degrees 25 years management exp , Thank You Obama!!!!!!
Suprise, suprise…
My ISP has an ‘aggregator’ page as it’s home page. A few minutes ago, going over there, I found that the lead story is from an organization – ‘NewSY” carried in video form, reported by a Mr. Zack Toombs, describing the petition of ’20 states to be allowed to peacefully secede from the Union’ .
I don’t generally take postings relative to any such ‘News’ to be serious when it pops-up….my APOLOGIES to those here who have been promulgating same these past few days… I WAS wrong, YOU were right…..’sheesh, here it comes….
@J1guy:
…count is 39 now….
………apology accepted………….
..as an act of contrition, you will buy more guns, grub, gold, and chocolate(in case Daisy visits)..lol
1. All fifty states need to leave the UNITED STATES corp in unison.
2. Eliminate defacto law and implied consent.
3. Common Law courts only.
4. The Sovereignty of the individual Citizen the supreme law of the land.
5. Shirt optional Fridays and free ice cream.
…I’ll be here all week……..BA.
OMG!!!!,
I forgot about Daisy……I need MORE choclate than my previous calcualtions would even BEGIN to sugggest!!!!!!!!
@ Daisy,
Dear, we ALL know about the chocolate thing….not laughing at…laughing WITH you… 🙂
I’m feeling the love!!!! 🙂
(as I sit here drinking a mocha java this morning!)
…and no “inchoate” laws, laws without victims.
If Your State Secedes,
1. You loose the Constitution.
2. You loose all military portection and payment for said military. ( you would have to build a military much larger then your national guard units. Also you would have to reGear those troops. And hope your not invaded before hand.
3. You loose any and all federal funding. ( 35% of texas spending was thru federal funding. Texas also took the most disaster relief from the federal goverment out of all states this all goes away )
4. You are now a new country and may no longer cross boarders into the united states. You will need to have border patrol, military, foriegn affairs, and much more infrastructue created as a new nation unto yourself.
5. Now what would a makavellian like president do? (1) Trade embargo. No more gas, oil, food supplies, medical supplies. (2) no foriegn aide. (3) Travel restrictions most new countries would be surrounded by the United states. You may not fly into the united states and no plane may fly into your new nation due to the restricted airspace of the united states.
Not saying this shit is nice but this is what happens if you do leave the united states. Minus the makavellian president thing 🙂
I’m really scare for these country.
Gold, Bitchez!
HI BA,
At various times you”ll hear everything slung across the internet from “I had BigFoot’s Baby” to “Aliens are living in my Cupboards” and EVERYTHING in between, Yes? Perhaps then it comes, as NO suprise to anyone, that we (MOST) all develop ‘filters’ which effectively ‘auto-block’ a lot from view…so to speak.
What ‘stuns’ me is that this thing is getting ‘real’ all of a sudden. I try not to fall into the trap of ‘vernacular’ – it usually doesn’t help getting one’s point across, I find – but here, the only word/phrase I can arrive at which seems to describe the mood at large is ‘pissed to the bone’. It’s been over 150 years since even a ‘whiff’ of such has circulated around. What next I wonder….
@J1guy:
I hear ya Brother –tough to filter out the crap–
We will arrive
We will arise
We will achieve
….be safe….stay the course……BA.
These “petitions” were also done in 2000, and 2004. The DO NOT do anyting other than “ask” the Govt if they can have “permission” to seceed.
Learn. None of this is new..
an as for the “Obama Phones”? Google is oyur freind. Might want to rename those the GW Bush Phones….
@ All,
The NOAA GOES-13/14 Magnetic plots have resumed a ‘vertical’ drop and currently the same are showing a abrupt inflection (a decrease) is the observed solar electron flux. This is similar to the pattern seen last night and more recently today pre-flaring but it is to be noted that at this time we are experiancing a certian amount of geo-magnetic activity simulatanoeus. To wit, the Rice University site which monitors the effect’s of solar disturbances is currently showing a high (200 Kv) polar convection rate…in part due to a sudden shift in the magnetic IP to the south, coupled with an already large value of the magnitude of the IP itself. The Rice University site is at;
http://mms.rice.edu/realtime/dials.html
Additional ‘dials’ are accessible from this page listing other tracked parameters affecting the Earth/Sun system. Whether the current conditions are indicative of additional imminent flare activity remains ‘unclear’ at this time…
The way times are going right now, I think I rather take payment in the form of food, water purification devices, ammo and firearms, fuel, solar systems with DC battery converters, shortwaves and other ham radio equipment, containers to store water and other supplies, warm clothes, surveillance devices, livestock, land and other property, etc, etc. etc. The feel of precious metals is wonderful, but unless someone is willing to take that precious metal for something that you need to survival could be another story.
As long as SHTF stays below 5 on a scale from 0-10, precious metals are the way to go. Anything that serious and only barter items for personal needs are going to be of any value. Never a bad idea to have precious metals because the lull before the true storm hits, many mechants will accept payment ONLY in precious metals of barter items. Also cash is not bad to keep because many stores will just not get it how serious it is and accpet ONLY cash. Credit cards and checks will likely become totally worthless to purchase anything after a true SHTF event occurs.
By the way everyone, new episode of Doomsday Preppers tonight. hope it is a good one.
Beinformed
I watched the Doomsday Preppers for about 10 minutes then had to turn it off..
rather read the comments and articles posted here ..at least we are “informed” by like minded folks..meanwhile the great unraveling occurring ..with todays news
4 generals purged
Benghazi off the radar
40 states signing secession petitions..
wait just in..
White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation
US budget deficit jumps 22% in October
Marc Faber: Prepare for a Massive Market Meltdown
and it is only 825 am est..
possee
@ possee. I watched Doomsday Preppers while reading all the excellent comments here. When I saw that 15 year old that was a hard core prepper, that he spent every bit of money he had to purchase food and supplies, and how he took junk to make somnething useful out of it, this gave me the best feeling. This individual was only 15 years old, yet he was wiser than 99% of all the adults on this planet that don’t prepare. His mother went along with him, to humor him, yet this kid had so much wisdom for someone so young. At age 11 he saw the economic demise and just because the government “tells” us the everything is fine, he knows different and has acted on it.
You know when I see such a person that is has more insight in their little finger than most adults have their entire body, it really irritates me to the core about all those that laugh at the people that do prepare. Someone with a really good income, do they put away for their families so their children, spouse, mother, father, siblings. etc after a SHTF event? Of course not, they spend money on chinese junks that further strenghten the chinese armed forces and help add another few hundreds nuclear bombs and dozens more ICBM’s to their arsenal. Do they sacrifice anything at all to food even a few cans of food or MRE food away just in case? No, they spend money on fancy Christmas wrappings done by someone else, to put into a “pretty” box worthless sh^& that will lose its novelty the first month.
When I see these people that go through so much sacrifice to keep what they will need after the world collapses, someone that spends what resources they have wisely, it makes me think that there is still hope for the species we call human beings. To see the youth actually not seduced by justin beiber or some other “idol”, actually thinking more clearly than 99% of the individuals that age should have brought wisdom to, it is such an uplifting feeling.
Possee and everyone else, if you have a chance to see that 15 year old prepper on a rerun of the Doomsday Prepper, it is worth it to see a teenager that all by himself have it figured out just how dangerous the world is right now and the need to prepare the best you can for it. There is insight with every age, race, belief, gender, it sure is nice to see this.
Yeah I saw that too, but he needs someone to teach him how to shoot a gun right..jeeze
I hope his wife has taken out a large insurance policy on him.
Wouldn’t it just be easier for Mr. O’Neil if he just got paid in regular money and went out and bought gold and silver himself with his paycheck? I’m certainly glad he is precious metals “aware” but why raise such a big fuss about it? Order some coins or bars online if there isn’t a coin shop nearby.
You think asking the State of Montana to follow the Constitution is a big fuss ?
Really ?
So you wouldn’t mind the State ignored your 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th amendment right then ?
I was just at the LDS website and they are out of stock on EVERYthing with the exception of quick oats.
No rice, red wheat, white wheat, pinto beans or white flour. Hummmmmm
http://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category3_715839595_10557_21158_-1_N_image_0
….and the prize tonight for ‘incisive logis’ goes to…(drumroll)…Be informed!
Who’da thunk it, Eh BI? While I’m up here, keep a ‘weather eye’ on the siesmic (Hah!. like you wouldn’t!) for the next 24 hours or so…the geomagnetic field is getting hammered today; Bz has shifted WAY southward and this at a time when the total field strength is strong…last I looked ‘polar convection’, a measure of the energy being dumped into the poles was wasy up there, at about 220 Kv. By comparison, when we had that major event in the spring we were seeing about 280 Kv at maximum, so…..
Secession, gold, preps, gunsand butter
You are all right, in your own ways
When the SHTF, all bets are off, it will be survival of the fittest and the prepared.
TPTB will do what they have always done, deny, distract and lie.
If their lips are moving…
Many of those here, have a pretty good idea of what the future will look like, but how many have had to live it. Been through a true disaster. How many of you have fought for your lives, been at deaths door, made the hard decisions, life and death.
Unless you were in Oklahoma or Iraq, Missouri, the Balkans
You can only imagine what it would be like…
Our fragile existence in this fishbowl is dependent on others, far more than many realize. We survive and thrive as a group, we survive for a time and perish when we are alone. There is an evil among us, we must join together to defeat it. Divided we fall…
Petty differences must be put aside, a common goal must be the focus, only then will we succeed.
the Watcher
Oh, I don’t know about that. In southern Iowa in 1974/5, the lower Skunk river flooded in a 100 yr flood. Our farm house was just across a flat corn field. The chickens were swimming in and out of the hen house (yes they can swim), there was 3 ft of flood water in my 2nd floor bedroom, and we had to take a row boat to get to the barn (it was higher than the house). We stayed in the hay loft in the barn for 2 nights and 2 days, waiting for the water to recede. The cat and the dog stayed up there with the 6 of us all that time. We ate what we had stored up there for just that type of occasion. We had RR lanterns for light. Dad watched over the house with his hunting rifle.
We just waited for the water to recede. Then the neighbors down the road came and helped us clean up. Life went on…
I have been thinking awhile about doing something like Jerry. By offering two prices for things I sell, fiat and precious. But, alas, the nature of mankind requires us to be aware of this: http://howtotestgold.com/
This man is a Representative of the people of his State. Why does he want this only for himself? If he truly believes this,should he not be pressing this issue for all of his constituents?Seems like just more political pandering and/or greed !
Well, for one thing, ALL of his constituents aren’t owed something by the State of Montana.
My guess is he is trying to make the point the State of Montana ( and the other 49 ) are not following the agreement they signed onto when they became a State…..the US Constitution…..by not following Art1 Sec10…..and it’s about time they did.
The odds of him actually getting Montana to do this are quite low, but he should file suit in federal court to force the issue.
For that matter, ANYONE owed a debt by a State ANYWHERE should do the same.
I have a little money in cash socked away for a rainy day, but. When our monitory system goes down, what am I to do. Gold is to expensive, silver may be possible. I would appreciate any comments ,where to invest the little money I have so that I am not left holding just some worthless paper. I am sure that those of us left i n the middle class are in the same position.
“where to invest the little money I have so that I am not left holding just some worthless paper?”
My answer might sound a bit tongue-in-cheek, it is not. If you really have only a little and gold is too expensive:
Consider asking your bank for a few hundred dollars in nickels – 0 cost 0 risk.
Maybe buy some pre-1965 dimes (a bit of markup and a bit of risk here).
Buy white rice and pinto beans (if you learn to cook them so they taste good – 0 risk).
If you have more money than, that buy a shotgun and 1000 shells of mixed type ( birdshot, 00 buck, slugs).
In my opinion whether you plan to use or trade these items they will hold their value very well. With little downside risk.
I recommend reviewing this information: http://tmorrison.thekaratgroup.com/
Hate to break it to you Rick:) but there’s enough oil in the northwest of Canada to supply the U.S. For 200 yrs. There is more oil in those tar sands than all of the middle east combined since they started drilling there. True fact
What an excellent politician!!
More years added to the time inventory to feel the ‘Obama’ effect. Time machine highly needed for the US authorities to go back to the ‘Stone Age’ to feel the value of GO-OLD.
Simple Solution.. There is a solution which works without waiting on someone to give you permission to protect yourself .
karatbars.com
Not trolling, no affiliate links included… Just do some research and you will see.
Actually, the real answer to our nations problems is not Secession, No, the real answer to our nations problems is Demanding (Not Asking, Not Begging, Not Petitioning) but Demanding all of our Nations Governors and State Lawmakers Nullify every Federal Law that infringes in the Rights or Freedoms of the people within their States.
This means Personal Rights, Property Rights, and Personal Freedoms. If the State Governors would do this, then we would never have a problem with the Federal Government ever again because any law they pass that intrudes or infringes on any Rights of the people would automatically be Null and Void if any authority and unenforceable.
If any of the States Governors or State Legislatures refused to enact Nullification Laws to protect and defend their citizens with, then they should be Immediately Recalled or Impeached and a Special Election should be held in any State that the Governors don’t act in a manner that best benefits the citizens in their respective States. The Nullification Laws from each and every State should have teeth to the laws stating that any federal Agent, Employee of the Federal Government or Federally Contracted Employee that attempts to enforce a Federal Nullified law that has been Nullified will be Arrested, Jailed for up to 1 year, and fined $10,000.00/ per incident.