Joe the Plumber: “As Harsh as This Sounds – Your Dead Kids Don’t Trump My Constitutional Rights”

by | May 27, 2014 | Headline News | 152 comments

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    In the wake of the most recent mass killing tragedy in California, politicians and anti-gun advocates have come out of the woodwork in an effort to use these events as an opportunity to further their agenda.

    As evidence of this look no further than the recent statements by Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal on Face the Nation.

    “At least we can make a start and I am going to urge that we bring back those bills, maybe reconfigure them, centre on mental health, which is a point where we can agree that we need more resources to make the country healthier and to make sure that these kinds of horrific, insane, mad occurrences are stopped.”

    (Video via Guns America)

    What Senator Blumenthal purposely failed to mention, of course, is that Elliot Rodger used and/or attempted to use multiple weapons during his killing spree, suggesting that access to guns had absolutely nothing to do with his mental state. He had intent to kill and could just as easily have rolled his BMW through a crowd of people at high speed.

    right-to-bear-arms-2No law – no gun law, no knife law and certainly no traffic law would have prevented this person from doing what he did. Even the government’s predictive crime algorithms failed to identify the potential threat, despite the fact that Rodger posted videos of his intentions prior to the incident.

    If it were up to Senator Blumenthal and supporters of gun restrictions, however, the tens of millions Americans who are mentally stable, law abiding and own firearms for hunting and self defense would become subject to government prying into every aspect of their lives. Police would have the justification necessary to simply kick down doors any time they believe a threat may exist, even if no evidence of such exists, in similar fashion to what happened to a woman in Milwaukee just recently.

    Like the government has done with America’s veterans, even a diagnosis of stress or anxiety could lead to confiscation. In fact, the latest edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders used by psychiatrists to clinically diagnose patients actually includes a diagnosis of mental illness called Oppositional Defiant Disorder. It identifies non-conformist behaviors such as ongoing patterns of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior as illnesses. Under such criteria one could technically be diagnosed with ODD for refusing to subscribe to majority-supported ideas disseminated by the government, and as such, could lead to confiscation of firearms of those identified by their clinician as mentally ill. And this is just one of scores of potential mental illnesses identified by the nearly 1000-page handbook.

    It is on this note that we share with you an open letter from Joe “The Plumber” Wurzelbacher, published at his web site Joe for America, in which he argues that despite the horrific tragedy and difficulty being experienced by the families of those killed by Rodger, the deaths of these innocent people do not trump the Constitutional and God-given rights for the rest of us.

    AN OPEN LETTER: To the parents of the victims murdered by Elliot Rodger.
    By Joe Wurzelbacher

    I’m not talking here about the three tragic murders Rodger committed by stabbing before his driving and shooting spree; I speak now only to the families of the gunshot victims in Santa Barbara:

    It’s a tragedy.

    I am sorry you lost your child. I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now. But:

    As harsh as this sounds – your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights.

    Richard Martinez, whose son (Christopher) was among the murdered, choked back tears at a news conference, blaming politicians the next day: “The talk about gun rights. What about Chris’ right to live?” Martinez said – and much more.

    There are no critical words for a grieving father. He can say whatever he wants and blame whoever he’d like – it’s okay by me. You can’t take a step in his shoes – at least I can’t.

    But the words and images of Mr. Martinez blaming “the proliferation of guns”, lobbyists, politicians, etc.; will be exploited by gun-grab extremists as are all tragedies involving gun violence and the mentally ill by the anti-Second Amendment Left.

    As a father, husband and a man, it is my responsibility to protect my family. I will stand up for that right vehemently. Please believe me, as a father I share your grief and I will pray for you and your family, as I do whenever I hear about senseless tragedies such as this.

    We still have the Right to Bear Arms and I intend to continue to speak out for that right, and against those who would restrict it – even in the face of this horrible incident by this sad and insane individual. I almost said “Obama Voter” but I’m waiting for it to be official.

    I noticed the mainstream media have stopped the practice of immediately reporting the psycho maniac is a conservative Tea Party Republican Christian. Guess they’re sick of having to hide being wrong every time when it comes out the whacko votes Democrat?

    Mr. Martinez and anyone calling for more restrictions on American’s rights need to back off and stop playing into the hands of the folks who merely capitalize on these horrific events for their own political ends.

    They don’t care about your family or  your dead children at all. They sound like they do, whereas I sound uncaring and like I say, harsh. Don’t be fooled – I care about your family and mine. The future of our very liberty lies in the balance of this fight.

    In conclusion, I cannot begin to imagine the pain you are going through, having had your child taken away from you. However, any feelings you have toward my rights being taken away from me, lose those.


    Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher

    PS: To the parents of Elliot Rodger’s stabbing victims: I’m very sorry for your loss. I’m sick to death every damn time I turn around and some poor soul with obvious violent mental sickness is allowed to exact this kind of pain on a family.

    Elliot Rodger deserved help, yes – but your child deserved so much more. I’m very sorry and sad for you.

    This letter was originally published at Joe for America. You can follow Joe on his Facebook Page and Youtube Channel.


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      1. A disarmed society is a vulnerable society. In that case might as well get rid of walls, fences, locks, etc. The safest place to be is where folks are well armed. The Second Amendment must be safeguarded by all means!

        • We all know by now it is human control that is the prize. Right down to the death march to the ovens to accomplish Agenda 21.

          • Nice Mac, your words, my thoughts.


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              “Meanwhile, the Obama administration has REFUSED access for state officials to inspect the records at VA hospitals, even though health care has traditionally been under the purview of state law.

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            • Its just more Blumenthal/Jewish Anti-Gun Rant. Disarming Americans is the Jews last hurdle to fully take this Country over. They own the Media and Courts, President in their pocket, Set the agenda in Congress, Duped the US Military to fight their wars, and they control the money supply and banking system. SOOOOO… The US Armed Citizen is their last hurdle to defeat, to fully take over America. Wake up Sheeple smell the Bagles.

              • The government loves these tragedies.

                They couldn’t care less how many people

                are killed by the nut cases.

                The gov just considers these incidents

                of opportunity to continue putting the

                screws to our constitutional rights.

                • How is it that we never hear about taking away other forms of defense? He killed with a knife but no words about knives being dangerous. You never hear stories on the news about knife attacks and they don’t play them for weeks over and over. No! And you won’t because this is not about guns. Guns are part of the Constitution. This is about dismantling the Constitution. They can only do so much with NDAA and the Patriot Act. In the end they must neutralize the Constitution. That is why they were attacking it on every TV talk show in the nation 3 years ago. But direct attacks did not work so now they go back to psych warfare and just work to wear the majority of us down. They young are being taught in schools that a world government is better than national governments. ( I am amazed when I speak to Jr High and Sr High students). The media reach them many times and ways every day that drugs and violence are ok but guns are bad and national pride and patriotism are bad. Unless we take back the education of our kids and dollar starve the media, it is only a matter of time and the Constitution will be toast.

              • If it wasn’t so serious it would be hilarious. We blame Obama of being a Muslim and all of his handlers are Jews. Never knew the Jews and Muslims had such a close working relationship. We learn something new everyday. Trekker Out.

            • Blaming a firearm for the death of an individual is like blaming an automobile for a DUI fatality.

              • What they should have done is violate the guys 4th amendment rights and seized him and his guns before it happened and then they could have prevented this. If we have no respect for the 2nd amendment, why respect the 4th

        • Another mass-murdering kid in the hands of a therapist. Are WE seeing a trend here? yes, WE are. 🙁

          • Howdy, DK. For the first time in awhile, here’s something we agree on. I have always suspected all of these shootings are engineered by the antigun lobby to further their agenda. while I do offer condolences to the families and friends of the victims nobody can bring the victims back, it DOES NOT mean that all of society should be disarmed. Like Joe the Plumber said, NOTHING trumps our natural, God-given rights, especially to self-defense against evildoers. I don’t give up anything to anyone, period!

          • DK
            i don’t think it is a trend as much as it is a AGENDA!!
            they want us anyway they can get us!

            • And they don’t give a damn how many innocent people die, for them to fulfill their dream. Mr. Martinez should be both Suing the MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR Roger was seeing for malpractice, AND he should be suing the family of the murderer. He should be speaking out against those people who are responsible for the death of his son.

              I’ll bet if the truth was known, Mr. Martinez Sr. himself may have underwent “therapy.”

              Somebody needs to ban, and then burn the DSM. It’s trash.

            • durango kidd says:

              “Another mass-murdering kid in the hands of a therapist.”

              Please provide evidence that he was “in the hands of a therapist.”

              • It’s in the original news articles. He was in therapy since age 8… Of course tht may have ceased once he reached the age of emancipation. But still, it demonstrates a long history of concern for his mental stability.

              • Yourmotherwaswrong: Well, if you’ll take even some of the news reports at face value, it’s been said that he’s been seeing therapists since the age of 9, but that not one of them ever detected any violence. So much for mental health specialists being of much help. Of course you could be a real conspiracy theorist and claim that all the news sources are plotting together to make this all up. The more paranoid your are the tougher the decision on what to believe becomes. I lived long enough to know that they (NEWS) are not that good. Good luck!

            • The idea of an agenda can be supported by the witnesses who saw another man in the car during the shootings. And locally televised witness accounts said there was a second shooter at the theater in Colorado, at least one and witnesses say, 2, additional shooters at the Seikh temple in the Midwest, and a 2nd shooter who ran into the woods at the school in Sandy Hook.
              Multiple shooters,too many victims to be done by one shooter let alone an inexperienced shooter according to security and military (professionals)vetrans and a pattern of this type with only one assailant being caught every time = Agenda.

              And consider the coldness of this! This is a brutal game to them. We are pawns that have no value. They only do this because we so outnumber them that they are working to protect themselves while they further their agenda. Look down the road a bit in time and ask yourselves “If this is what they do now when they don’t have full power, what will they do when they do have full power?”

          • “medication” is involved, as usual

        • If they make the restrictions they are talking about- those diagnosed with anxiety or whatever not being allowed guns… what will happen is people will be afraid of going to counseling because they will have their Constitutional rights taken away… this is ridiculous! People should be applauded for taking necessary steps to alleviate stress, not punished for it!

          If people don’t wake up and realize we all should be packing (to prevent trajedies like this) then things will just get worse, not better.

          The Chinese guy who started killing kids at school a few years ago, used a meat cleaver. You cannot ban meat cleavers!

          Furthermore, in my hometown, I was told the only store in this one shopping mall that had never been robbed was a store where all the employees had guns on their hips… all the other stores had been robbed at least once, some more times. Theirs was the only store never robbed (where they wore guns on their hips!)

        • yep, laeagle, you’re right… like the little hardware store in my hometown, where all the employees and employer were armed– only store in the shopping mall that was never robbed!

        • If they take away our guns, then WE’ll ALL be vulnerable to this kind of horrible event– plus, of course at the hands of the Police State.

        • We will never give up our weapons no matter what laws these pricks pass. Anyone with a brain has what they need already too. These dead children were killed by our own government also. Prepare to fight them.

        • laeagle, agree 100%. If there had been just one person with a gun in or near that group, he/she could have dropped the nut case and saved those lives. But because they live in a “gun controlled” state, the nut case killed those innocent folks.

          • How long can the slaughter of unprotected innocents go on before the liberals wake up, before America wakes up? When the deranged bad guy comes gunning for you, you better be ready to respond. This is not Mr. Ed’s neighborhood anymore.

            Our society has been sending the message that life is cheap, starting with the unborn that are being aborted to the countless, faceless thousands being gunned down in the inner cities, to the elderly who are being neglected.

        • Absolutely right. The only Insane are the Government, Senators, Congressman, Obama, Reid You know the list goes on.Keep your Arms & BEAR them PROUDLY.

      2. Guns, knives, slingshots, blow guns….
        What’s next??? toothpicks????

        • Look around your house and your yard and your neighborhood and then count the items that could be used to “kill” a human.

          Hell, some idiots allegedly just recently tied a newly graduated high-schooler to a grocery cart (said kid apparently let himself be tied) and then they rolled it into a body of water off a dock…needless to say, the kid drowned. You would have to ban water, grocery carts, rope, docks, and seriously dumb kids to have prevented this.

          Just like they say in the bodyguard business, it is extremely hard to protect somebody all the time 24/7. If a perpetrator is that determined, the odds are NOT in anybody’s favor…no matter how much stuff you ban.

          • PWY– they are not in anybody’s favor UNLESS you happen to have a gun on you and know how to use it.. then, the odds are in your favor of surviving an attack.

            • Th point he made was that no matter how prepared you are, 24/7 security is impossible, tthe only way to obtain it is if we developed machines/computers to do such a task, in which case I’d be worried about an iRobot scenario

        • Bare hands? No more laws. Just enforce the ones we have – get to the root of the problem. And by all means, take down any and all “Gun Free Zone” signs that you stupidly still have displayed ANYWHERE!!! Might as well post a “Please Shoot Me” sign.

          • You’re kidding ain’t, Me here? “Just enforce the ones we have” is the language of tyrants. Many thousands of unconstitutional gun laws. You want to enforce all of them? You might start with DC and then to the shithole states near DC.
            Disarm and die, moron.

            • I don’t think that’s what he meant.

          • “Shall not be infringed” is pretty explicit. In legal terms the word shall is definitive. No infringements period as the founders wanted the citizens to be equally armed as any standing army. There is a difference between arms and ordinance.

        • Senator Chucky E Cheese schumer says that the 1st Amendment can be compromised as needed. People are falling asleep and the government is chipping away at ALL our rights. Liberty is something you NEVER F with. Freedom is so much easier to lose than to get back. Again, people are so hypnotized by their little stupid gadgets and lost to what is happening to the country.

          Look at this example of just how sh#$ stupid people have become as this imbecile drove right into a river and almost drowned because his GPS told him there was a ferry or road there.

          This is the common stupidity of those people voting in anti-Constitutionists into the government that can and will dilute the rights guaranteed to us. This is an example of someone that believes whatever the little gadget says, rather than seeing with their own two eyes, dark or not. This was also the second time this happening. We are all in big trouble.

          • Agreed sir…. Off subject, but could the hurricane in the Pacific set off any earthquakes on the coast? It would make sense that it could, but have you ever read or heard about any instances???

            • I’ve read that earthquakes/tsunammis can result from large scale crustal displacements (such as ice)… happened in ancient past.

              • @ Eppe and Anonymous. Crustal rebound can definitely increase the likelihood of an earthquake on a fault. I can only imagine if the ice up in Greenland or Antarctica all melted what those areas would go through for centuries. Pressure changes from either high pressure or extreme low pressure can trigger faults that are ready to go. Won’t happen though if a fault is many years or more away from failure. The Moon actually has more gravitational influnce on any coastal fault. The most likely times from the Foundation for the Study of Cycles says are when the Moon is farther away, the apogee, and when it is also far away from the ecliptic, the middle point of the sky. Sharper angle and a type of release of gravity seems to help trigger earthquakes.

          • I don’t think they are ‘CHIPPING AWAY’, BeInformed. I think they are GONE… except for the second ammendment and they are working at that one. The only reason they are not a full-blown police state yet is because of the second ammendment.

            • People are having a hard time accepting the fact that our nation is no longer what it once was. Time to realize that we no longer have rights, we only have privileges. Can we bring about changes to put us on track again? Not with the current prevailing thoughts and ideas that the Republicans and Democrats have.

              What is needed is a complete re-set from top to bottom.


            • They can pass all the laws they want but it’ll mean nothing. Connecticut, where this Horses-Ass of a senator is from, is one of the bluest states in the nation. Yet when their gun bill got passed 80-85% of those with the guns that were ‘suppose’ to be registered never did register them. The governor and state attorney general didn’t know whether to shit of go blind so they offered and extension/amnesty period with the same results-a Big Fat “SCREW YOU”. But you don’t hear anything about that on the lame-stream media now do you! The response in New York was even worse, folks were burning their registration forms and told Cuomo to “Suck It”! If they didn’t know it then, TPTB now know that they have NO CHANCE of any nation wide bans. They’re toast and they know it and it scares the crap out of them.

          • Those people, BI are commies. They vote for communists, millions of commies.

          • BI, good evening. I just finished watching the video. Yes, I’m sad to say, we have a nation of retards. Anyone who depends on electronics more than common sense desrves whatever he or she gets.

            • @ braveheart. It never ceases to amaze me just how incredibly stupid a human being can become. I was watching some of the squirrels today, and they have more sense than many people do. I actually saw one squirrel looking both ways before crossing the street. The squirrel continues to bury peanuts and other nuts even though summer is coming. They stash food. Instinct or not, the common squirrel is doing something that 99% of the so called “smarter humans” still can’t figure out.

              To witness some of these people using their little electronics tell them exactly what to do is unbelievable. The device says bridge ahead, and their eyes say cliff. I wonder which one they would believe.

        • When doctors quit prescribing psychotropic drugs like their candy to battle any type of mood that gives them an EXCUSE to PUSH these drugs, then we can talk about guns.

      3. He is quite wrong when he says : “No gun law would have prevented this: Any law that said you must carry a gun at all times would have prevented most of it

        • You are wrong. Gangs and thugs get guns how ever they can, theft etc. Gun laws would not have prevented this.

      4. Instead of blaming others, sperm donor ought to take responsiblity that he was a total failure as a father by raising a little mass murdering monster.

        One of Lifes little realities is that getting laid is NOT an entitlement or a right.

        Life is damn unfair, so deal with it and drive on. Nobody gets out of life without getting some unfair stuff dumped on them.

        If you think things are violent now, just till you are disarmed and the thugs, both criminal and the dotgov types come after you and there is not a thing you can do to stop them.

        I am willing to bet, that the murdering punk vermin was NOT the type of guy who went to church regularly. Acting like Charlie Sheen on Two and a half men does not make for a better society. If you dont want the responsibilty of raising kids, then dont make them.

        • “One of Lifes little realities is that getting laid is NOT an entitlement or a right.”

          Oh crap… you should not have pointed that out.

          Now some freaking Democrat will likely get a law passed that says that it is, and start issuing debit cards for the Mustang Ranch to hand out to the usual welfare crowd.


          • B.F.
            That was a good one.
            Where do they sign up? Just think they will be using my tax dollars to get laid.
            Now who is getting screwed??????

            • Don’t hold your breath. The right to get laid can’t be implemented until “sex workers” are fully unionized. Think that one through !

          • BF…

            Worse than that… think about their justification for bestiality & pedophilia…sick… and what about that guy that wanted to marry his computer(that one I can’t even fathom)… there’ll be no end to this madness…

          • Sign me up for that “ENTITLEMENT! ” 😀

            At least then I can say I got something for my taxes paid…

            • Hey Lost in the C.R.C. – would be kinda like “the screwing you get for the screwing you got?”


              • EXACTLY ! B.O.H.I.C.A indeed Aussie…..:-\

        • Jeff, AMEN to your comments.

      5. There are several holes in the official story as far as I’m concerned.

        As you all know my lad is on the spectrum, so are several of my adult friends. I LIVE with the impact of this condition – it’s not a disorder as much as different minority brain wiring in a world where there is a very dominant majority. Sadly individuals with Aspbergers are more likely to be victims of violence than the mindless aggressors.

        In very simple evolutionary terms we have needed different mental strengths in different areas in order to survive and conquer so many different natural habitats over the millennium that mankind has been on earth.
        (At present it is distressing obvious to most of us that the psychopathic mind is the one best adapted to mass leadership, during other periods of history it has been the innovator, the creative, the idealist or the pragmatic. The current top dog and his favoured minion the unthinking yes man may not remain so after the next pole shift, or ice age, global pandemic or whatever).

        This is a pattern recognised by nursery and kindergarten staff as well as the types of police officer that still give a damn about the “protect” part of their role. What is becoming more and more obvious to me both as I get older and wiser to the ways of the modern world is that this minority with slightly different brain wiring are almost completely IMMUNE to the indoctrination & programming that passes for something we used to call a school education.

        These are the kids that function on logic, not group think and that see thru the BS. No wonder there is a move to remove their weapons! Like the veterans, or patriots this is yet another society segment that is likely to oppose the NWO so is being disarmed & neutralised as a threat to the elite.

        My second point is simply to state that the experience of other nations demonstrates that if someone is dead set on mass killing then that is what they will do, whether it be with a home made bomb aka the Gaza strip, a kitchen knife as seen in china, fire as 60 poor school boys discovered in Northern Nigeria, or poison gas as we’ve seen on the subways in Japan. I make this point from the UK, where dogs and guns are the weapons of choice as guns are not as readily available. I’d also like to make the quick statement that a gun can STOP a mass murderer in short order.

        Oppositional defiant disorder is a particularly offensive diagnosis – the specific clinical criteria when I looked them up were woolly and vague even in terms of the worst pop- psychology self help tome you’ve ever come across. I concluded that if a parent was to have a child with seriously challenging behavior then this diagnosis must be one of the most useless in terms of signposting for concrete, tangible ways to be able to help that child.

        On a very serious note to all parents be very, very wary if any doctor, teacher or other professional even hints your child may have this particular diagnosis of ODD. It’s dangerous in a way that adhd never was.

        • The actual key diagnosis for Oppositional Defiant Disorder is whether you will support or join the Democratic Party.

          Failure to do either indicates you are clearly afflicted with it, and will require treatment accordingly.

        • What about Parasitic Official Syndrome, (P.O.S.)?

      6. Why AIPAC members like Senator Blumenthal and Senator Finestien are so interested to disarm the American Law Abiding Citizens?

        • Goyim make good victims for the synagog of satan.

        • Why is it that when so many Jewish people were killed in Europe before and during WWII and disarmed, do they want to disarm the citizens of the U.S.? And why when they make up 2% of the population are so many in government? Are some really Marxist communists that want the guns? Not to be anti-semitic but what are some answers.

          • INFO Update: For Red Thumber’s, Naysayers, and those Many folks still severly Entraped within their own self imposed, abject DENIAL Of Truth, Syndrome.

            “It was (is) the instinctive policy with the mass of the Jewish nation, a deliberate policy with most of its leaders, not only to use ridicule against anti-Semitism but to label as ‘anti-Semitic’ any discussion of the Jewish problem at all, or, for that matter, any information even on the Jewish problem…If a man alluded to the presence of a Jewish financial power in any region, for instance, in India, he was an anti-Semite. If he interested himself in the peculiar character of Jewish philosophical discussions, especially in matters concerning religion, he was an anti-Semite. If the emigrations of the Jewish masses from country to country, the vast modern invasion of the United States, for instance (which has been organized and controlled like an army on the march), interested him as an historian, he could not speak of it under pain of being called an anti-Semite. If he exposed a financial swindler who happened to be a Jew, he was an anti-Semite. If he exposed a group of Parliamentarians taking money from the Jews, he was called an anti-Semite. If he did no more than call a Jew a Jew, he was an anti- Semite. You cannot long confuse interest with hatred, the statement of plain and important truths with mania, the discussion of fundamental questions with silly enthusiasm, for the same reason that you cannot long confuse truth with falsehood. Sooner or later people are bound to remark that the defendant seems curiously anxious to avoid all investigation of his case…I say it was a fatal policy; but it was deliberately undertaken by the Jews.” (Hilaire Belloc, The Jews, pp. 160-161).

            “It has unfortunately now become a habit for so many generations, that it has almost passed into an instinct throughout the Jewish body, to rely upon the weapon of secrecy. Secret societies, a language kept as far as possible secret, the use of false names in order to hide secret movements, secret relations between various parts of the Jewish body: all these and other forms of secrecy have become the national method.” (Hilaire Belloc, The Jew, p. 99).

            “Take the particular trick of false names. It seems to us particularly odious. We think when we show our contempt for those who use this subterfuge that we are giving them no more than they deserve. It is a meanness which we associate with criminals and vagabonds; a piece of crawling and sneaking…Men whose race is universally known, will unblushingly adopt a false name as a mask, and after a year or two pretend to treat it as an insult if their original and true name be used in its place.” (Hilaire Belloc, The Jew, pp. 100, 102).

            Do You Get it Yet.

      7. Anyone else notice Obummer didn’t address this “horrific shooting”? Or was he on the down low all weekend?

        • He’ll read about it in the papers!

        • He’s contemplating his next move with Putin.

        • It didnt involve any blacks so he doesnt care, he is the african american president

        • If he did address the shootings, then would have to talk about all the Violence in Chicago. Dont wanta stir that pot..

        • that’s cause there were no black’s involved!!!! no lads or gals that could be his spawn!

      8. just another “Beat it to death” story

      9. This feel good shit has to stop.
        The kid killed 3 people with a knife before he shot and killed 3 people with the handguns. He tried to kill some with his car.

        Where in the hell was his mom and dad? They could have gotten the guy put into a hospital to be checked out. The cops talked to him and they were B.S. They are not at fault here. We are not Doctors and we are not shrinks.


        He followed the laws with only 10 Rds. He just had around 60 mags for his three handguns.
        It is too bad those folks died, but don’t tell me I can’t defend myself and my family from some slug like this guy just because these folks died.

        Again If they would have been armed most of them, wouldn’t have died!


        • If the people around the victims were ignorant enough to be unarmed, why punish everyone else for their folly?

        • Sarge-

          It would’ve been much cheaper for his dad to hire a $200 call girl, to relieve his kid’s frustrations…as opposed to a hospital stay / shrink evaluation!

          …but then again, he was in California, had $$$ and a BMW…and still couldn’t get laid????

          Go figure…

        • I just read some excerpts from his screed. He wanted to shoot up some sort of festival in Isla Vista, but decided not to because there’d be too many armed cops there. Once again the mucker* goes for the unarmed victims.

          * (Mucker – a term coined by John Brunner, used in his novel “Stand on Zanzibar”. Required reading, IMHO.)

      10. First of all, watch how you treat people. You don’t have to be buddy buddy with them to be kind. Ignoring someone or not excepting them because they have a problem or they are different can push them over the edge. Maybe its not the person who may be different who needs counseling on this but others on how to handle and deal with what they are doing. Look what bullying has done to young people who are so sensitive. . You don’t want to push them to the level of anger or desperation. Young people can be cruel and look at the bullying done by the adults today. The example being set by adults today is not helping.

        • I don’t think you have to “accept” people you feel unconfortable around;, if you don’t want to be around someone, that is your privilege! However, I do agree that bullying and abuse is wrong!

          • Indeed: Not everyone really Is or Are whom they claim to be eh!…Heres a Great Example, that is also 100% proof that so many folks refuse to accept as truth, even when Like This Info here it is FROM the Very Own tribe groups fellow traveler members!

            Who is Easu-Edom?…What’s a Khazar?

            i ibn Shaprut, who was foreign minister to Abd-al-Rahman, Sultan of Cordova, in his letter to King Joseph of the Chazars (about 960 A.D.)…speaks of the tradition according to which the Chazars once dwelt near the Seir Mountains [The ‘Seir Mountains’ are none other than the original land of Esau-Edom – ‘Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom.’ {Genesis 36:8}. Seir was a mountain range south of the Dead Sea and was also known as the ‘land of Edom’ {Genesis 36:21}. The Seir mountains were the home of the Edomites for nearly a millennium {The Edomites arrived in Edom or Seir at the end of the 14th and beginning of the 13th century B.C. Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 6, p. 372} Thus we have it from Jewish sources that the Khazars originally ‘dwell near the Seir Mountains’ so are racially of Edomite stock. But how and when did Edomites get to Khazaria? There is evidence that in the 6th century B.C., some of the Edomites fled their homeland of Seir and migrated north, ‘After the fall of Jerusalem, in 586 B.C., the Edomites began to press northward {Ezekiel 36:5} {The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible, ed. by Henry S. Gehman, The Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1970, p. 418}].” (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. IV, (1905), p. 3).

            “John Hyrcanus conquered the whole of Edom and undertook the forced conversion of its inhabitants to Judaism (Joseph., Ant. XIII, 9, 1). Thenceforth the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people.” (Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 6, (1971), p. 378; The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (1977), p. 589).

            “Thus, at this juncture of time the Edomites ‘were incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans ‘Idumea’ (Mark 3:8; Ptolemy, ‘Geography,’ v. 16).” (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. V. (1904), p. 41).

            “…the large majority of surviving Jews in the world of Eastern European, and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga, not from Canaan, but from the Caucasus…and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” (Arthur Koestler,(a jew) The Thirteenth Tribe, Random House, 1967, p. 17).

            “…the Idumeans (Edomites) were…made Jews…and a Turkish people (Khazars) were mainly Jews in South Russia…The main part of Jewry never was in Judea and had never come out of Judea.” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, 3rd ed., MacMillian, 1921, p. 494).

            “The word ‘ghetto’ is synonymous with the Jews: ‘ghetto, section of a city in which Jews lived. In the early Middle Ages their segregation in separate streets or localities was voluntary…The reason generally given for compulsory ghettos was that the faith of Christians would be weakened by the presence of Jews. Within the ghetto the inhabitants were usually autonomous, with their own courts of law and their own culture.” (The Columbia Encyclopedia, 2nd Ed., (1950), p. 772). (Wow! Same as those Muslims with their Sharia Law rulership etc eh!)

            “The genius of the Jew is to live off people; not off land, nor off the production of commodities from raw material, but off people. Let other people till the soil; the Jew, if he can, will live off the tiller. Let other people toil at trades and manufacturers; the Jew will exploit the fruits of their work. That is his peculiar genius.” (The International Jew; The World’s Foremost Problem, Henry Ford, Dearborn Publishing Co., (1921), Vol. II, p. 31).

            And of Great Importance….These Khazars Today have their tribal vast Majority dwelling Within the USA nation, and also are the Worst, Most Lunatic, Rabid, Crazed, Foam at mouth Destroyers of the 2nd ammendt, as well as Every of the orig Bill of Rights as written. They Must be stopped at all cost’s, no expense spared, no effort is to great, in fully and Forever Halting their Incessant progress towards a total banning and End of Our God Granted Rights to Own, Use, carry, openly OR concealed, Firearms.

            For if You have been paying atten. to My Many former postings regarding these Satanicly inspired, evil minded Khazar Kommies and all of their bribed Shabezz Goyims, that assist in every nefarious evil deed and especially their Antigun agendas, then by now you should be well aware that today..We Have NO other Options but a complete Halt and end to every such agenda, and any others yet to come from these of Satans henchmen/women.

        • Grandma, I have to agree. a lot of adults today have not the first clue about how to raise kids. I also agree the bullying needs to stop. I’ve been on the receiving end of bullying and been in fights over it. I don’t submit to bullies, ever. I’ve lost count of how many times I was sent home from school for acting in my own self-defense against bullies, but the retarded “educators” wouldn’t do a damned thing about the bullies, although I approsched the school officials first about the bullying BEFORE getting into fights. the school officials didn’t care so the only option left to me was fighting. These kids of today who are extra-sensitive need to learn how to fight in self-defense. In today’s society it’s the only thing left to them. the ‘educators’ of today do not care about the kids, period!

      11. Okay people, when are we going to realize that we can not raise healthy, well adjusted, productive human beings on a steady diet of parental neglect, rampant sexual immorality,continual submersion into all forms of violence and meyhem, lack of spiritual education and development,the drugging of even infants if they are disruptive in any way,and all the other issues that we all know are the root causes of these horrific events. Look at yourself. Do you bitch about the problems and then plop you butt in front of the tube and chase your kids into their rooms to play “mortal combat”? We can only change this nation a the family level. We are the ones sinning by letting the “village” raise our kids. If you are not willing to care for your babies then for God’s sake stop making them! To every man and woman in this country and around the world I say “man up”. You are not supposed to be your kids friend. You are to be the man of the house. Be a husband, father, the cornerstone of your family. We had better turn this corner and take back our families, or expect this to only get worse. God help us all to face our lack of responsibility

        • This is a great comment, Kate in CO…and absolutely right. I’m also very sick and tired of hearing parents blame all of “little johnny” or “little Suzie’s” problems on the teachers or the neighbors, or whoever seems to be the convenient scapegoat at the moment. I was raised to have respect and there were real meaningful rules (also hell to pay if the rules were broken!). I learned that hard work was its own reward and I didn’t get money for doing chores. It was expected because I was taught the Bible says “those who will not work should not eat.” I was taught, learned and understood and was expected to abide by the 10 Commandments as well as the American Constitution and Bill of Rights. We were not allowed so much free time when we were kids, there was work to be done. If you ask me, a lot of the problem is exactly as you said in your comment. The parents are shooing the kids away and sitting their fat butts down in front of the video games and crappy T.V. shows and defaulting on their God-given responsibility to parent their own children. Damn sick of it, I am!

      12. Stupid collectivist idiots!
        They want to punish ALL of us for something one of theirs pulled off.
        What is real amusing is that so called “mass killing” is just another afternoon in Chicago or Detroit,
        But because it was a part white punk with money its all of a sudden news.
        The bigger story headline should be
        ” Mal-adjusted college student kills room mates and random strangers in spite of the most repressive firearms laws in the nation”

      13. As usual, in the liberal circles, the parents blame anyone and anything but themselves. This kid was a wack job since age 8. They will blame guns, NRA, the world at large; funny how they didn’t blame knives and cars but I digress, anything to remove the blame from themselves. They must now be victims of someone or something. Joe is correct, your punk kid does not trump my rights. Your fault, no one else’s!

      14. I don’t presume to know what snapped in this youngster’s mind, but I’ll wager he spent most of his waking hours with an electronic gizmo in front of his face.

        Eddie Bernay’s public relations,”gotta have” advertising, and fake online relationships. You need eye to eye interaction with the world…especially your family and loved ones. Today’s youth are not having real life experiences. Selfies don’t count…

        Get them out of the blue light and into the yellow light.

      15. I and millions of others despite the govt. will not give up our rights nor the constitution,that simple.I would like to see the big pharm industry investigated but that is another story along with the cops having psych help back up so they don’t shoot the mentally ill especially when not endangering anyone as they have past and present.Yes,I feel bad those kids died along with all the other folks who die thru not fault of their own except existing

        • Howdy, Warchild, and I’m right there with you. While it’s tragic about all of these people being killed, that doesn’t mean we give up any of our rights.

      16. Why am I and all the rest of the law-abiding folks on this site are held accountable for some deranged individuals action? It’s like every time congress increases the budget/taxes our “share” of the burden goes up. No one asks me about budget matters, no asks me about “gun control” laws, these idiots assume that I’m an idiot and will go along with whatever they want. Why can’t they leave the rest of us alone instead of constantly pushing and pushing. They can push for so long before someone has had enough and pushes back. Welcome to another week of doom, gloom and eventually boom.

        • Confederate, I read you 5 by 5. Every day the feds do things we the people don’t approve of. We are never consulted with about anything. No one ever ask me about any of these things either. It’s only a matter of time before someone starts pushing back, then it’s GAME ON. BOOM will be here before any of us know it.

      17. I’ll be blunt. In all the recent mass killing tragedies, did any of the victims return defensive fire? No? Well that’s the problem.

        If you’re staring a blood thirsty killer in the eyeball, and your only weapon is rhetoric, it will not end well.

        The tools and weapons that may have saved the victim’s lives were stripped from them by rabid anti-gun left wing fanatics, and we’re seriously asking why are mass killings happening? It is not rocket science, but the left wing fanatics refuse to see the obvious common sense.

        • I’m NOT a conservative– there is no real difference b/w the parties– however, I agree with the rest of your comments.

          On the back wall of our post office, there is this huge maruel of a post office in the old days… all the post office workers had guns on their hips… just the way it was!

          My grandpa carried a gun as a young man… just the way it was.. and the way it BETTER become in the future if we REALLY WANT TO PREVENT THIS CRAP FROM HAPPENING AGAIN!!

          • The way things are going we are ALL going to need to be armed just to stay alive!

            • I believe most of us are. I hope.

          • Anonymous,

            Back in the days of Air Mail flying, before pilots could carry passengers, there was a federal law requiring pilots to be armed because everything of high value flew by air.

            Occasionally pilots were force to land in farm fields due to mechanical problems and they had to protect the mail and cargo from robbers. This law was still on the books until the mid-1980’s when progressives in congress caught wind of it and stripped the law from the federal registry.

            How many people could have been saved on 9/11 if trained armed pilots were allowed to fly? Pilots are armed today through an act of Congress after 9/11. What’s the difference? Today volunteer armed pilots are sworn federal deputies and carry a badge. That’s the only difference.

            As for me, I prefer, “dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery”…..Thomas Jefferson

            • YH: If I recall right I just a week ago read an article on issues of the 9/11 attack events. It stated, and I recall this from other articles soon after 9/11 2001 happened too, that, that Fed Pilots with gun laws were STILL on the law books AS fed law for the Ok for pilots to carry handguns aboard their flight planes etc…

              that fed law was Only Removed 2 Months Prior to 9/11 twin tower attack events!….Another “coincidence”?..NOT!

              • Them Guys,

                I recall something similar as well. The change to the laws were done VERY quietly and behind the scenes so it wasn’t noticed.

                Volunteer armed pilots (Federal Flight Deck Officers) FFDO’s were not created until the passage of the original Homeland Security Act after 9/11. But during the mid 1980’s when airport security became very tight, it was accepted that pilots would not fly armed even though the federal law authorizing it were not changed until just before 9/11. Chuck Schumer and other progressive scum argued that the law, which dated back to around 1920, was archaic and was not necessary.

                There are far too many coincidences surrounding 9/11 for it to be purely coincidence in my book.

      18. Joe the Plumber is not afraid to shoot at paper targets that don’t shoot back.

        To 2nd Amendment Cowards, where in the 2nd does it restrict or limit,How you can buy a gun,How you can carry a gun,Where you can carry a gun,Who can form a regulated militia.

        When was the 2nd changed since it was written?

        And yet how many of you have bowed down & submitted to infringements that aren’t in the 2nd?

        Ron White: “You Can’t Fix Stupid.”

        Or Cowards that run their mouths about their rights.

        Now that’s excellent trolling.

        • Hey TR, isn’t there some men’s room bus station restroom you should be hanging around?

        • TR, f#$% you! Who the f#$% are you to call any of us trolls or cowards? We love this country and we’re going to fight to save it. Don’t believe it? Come around to any of us and find out the hard way.

      19. that boy was clearly a wanna be white, blonde and blue boy.

        infatuated by blonde white girls.

        he is a victim of a very materialistic driven, white biased alpha society and it’s brain washing media programming.

        society creates another monster.

        wonder how many more will appear from the shadows before a change is made.

        peter eater

        • He looked like a little pussy who wasnt comfy with the fact that he was queer

          • I think he’s a transgender faggot that can’t figure out what it is.

          • His Daddy is the Co-Director of Hunger Games series. That kid was another filthy rich hollywood example. Likly Steeped in various hollowood crap and evils since birth.

            Society didnt create him. And one becomes Like those they are surrounded by and hang out with. In Hollywood circles thats a 99.9% certainty his buddys, and most every adult hes privy to is another Khazar synagouge of Satan tribe member.

            Abd since a Vast Majority of Past 20+ yrs of similar mass shooter killer perps Has been jewish youth, like AZ giffords perp, Batman Movie Perp, That recent school in East coast, Sany Hook, “Lanza perp” Dylan and Kleebold columbine perps at Least one but I think its both at columbine shooters were jewish aka Khazars.

            And too many more to list here. Why do we again see so disproportinate a number of Perp shooter mass killers, from the less than, 2% total Population of usa tribe members?….Litterally in Everything wrong or evil from Hollywood, to wall street, to NY to DC to Banks to every major MSM and TV media nationwide, that less than 2% Dominates with an average of 65% to99% of their tribe participations…Thats NOT normal at all.

            Somethings Radically Wrong with that Tribe. And every such incident or issue they prove to dominate in just more so proves this phenomena eh.

            They have Kosherized most every aspect of America. Why should the 98% NON Khazar jewish Goyims(Thats you) have to keep putting up with this?

            Hows this New form of a kosherized America workin out for You and Your’s eh?…Don’t even get me started on why do we all have to keep Paying for Kosher food symbol Fee added to every product we Buy!!…Isnt That a mix of religion and State lib kommies are so against always?…Yes it certainly Is. To Force 98% of population thats NOT talmudic judiac religion to Pay xtra for Rabbi fees to kosherize everything from foods to Aluminum Foil Wrap! and even Toilet bowel cleaner chemicals is just Wrong.

            What would they say or Do if we demanded xtra fees to have a Christian Cross symbol placed upon every product They pay to buy?…You’d never hear the end of that!

            Like a Christian Exorcisim FEE to Cast out that Demonic Synagouge of Satan evil before we agree to place a Cross symbol on products huh?…

            You would see Massive Millions Boycott every store nationwide to Remove a cross symbol and every christian church would be torched or bombed by their ilk.

          • lol ;0)

            hey queers got rights too i’ll have you know.

            and you might want to give them some respect as they now have taken over the u.s.s.a. military and federal government.

            it will be the armed queers from the dhs who will be escorting you and your children to camp fema very soon.

            respect the queer pride rainbow and its power or suffer the wrath of the queers.

            -peter eater

          • Looks to me like he’s wearing lipstick in many of his selfies.

      20. The guy had a BMW and Money.

        Should have went to Las Vegas and got him some.

      21. Mr Martinez,
        I am sorry for your loss and you should be angry at every politician that restricts and infringes on people like me and millions more that could have saved some of those people with our gun use against that monster. Problem is we are so restricted and demonized for excercising that right that most of us don’t carry.

      22. I agree no ones dead kids has the right to take away anyones right to bear arms in America, our so called leaders have not protected us from the criminals in the streets, drug and crime gangs, and neither have the police, they only want to disarm everyone so the decent law abiding will be at the mercy of the criminals , drug and crime gangs, and the politicians, fuk that

      23. Carole King comes to mind….”It’s too late. Now it’s too late….Though we really did try to make it…..Something inside has died and I can’t hide and I just can’t fake it………”

        I can’t tell whether I’m writing about the young murderer or myself….Maybe both…

        • No reason to be concerned about him—he’s met his maker.

      24. The funny thing is we bitch about this crap year after year and try to debate the topic to death BUT nothing you say will stop these mindless sickos from declawing you whether it be your gun or your mouth . NOTE: I TOO AM GUILTY OF THIS but the ONLY thing stopping these nutjobs is gonna be physical action ……hate to say it but do you see any other alternative ….. voting …..yea right , keep telling yourself that one … hasn’t been working the past 50 years

        • Rich99, good to hear from you and I agree. we’re all going to be forced into a fight we don’t want.

      25. If you have an hour or so that you don’t mind wasting, take the opportunity to read this sicko murderer’s manifesto. It’s still online and you can download it in pdf format.

        I suggest reading it because it is a vivid illustration of a totally narcissistic perpetual victim.

        I’m not surprised at the gun-grabbers taking opportunity to exploit this to their advantage. Nor am I surprised that so many people fail to see the real cause of his murderous rampage.

        The fact is, we have created countless “Elliot Rodger” types through the popular culture and value system of a mindless, Godless, amoral system.

        This is what you get when you raise kids with no spiritual moral compass.

        The only reference this sick pathetic sociopath ever made to God in his 140 pages of psychotic drivel was to either blame God or describe himself as god.

        This is what you get when you have people with a sense of entitlement who are denied what it is that they feel they deserve.

        And this country is full of them.

        Expect to see this kind of stuff continue. And it would be the same if gun powder and firearms had never been invented.

        It’s not the weapon……it’s sick, soulless, evil people that are the problem.

      26. I’ve not read all the comments but it needs to be stated with clarity that 3 of 6 victims were killed with a knife. Not a fire arm!

        Those who wish to do harm are much like water and always find a way through the cracks of containers and laws.

        • Criminals LOVE laws that only their victims obey. That’s where government is the criminal’s best friend. Now, if government also teams up with other criminals and supplies and trains them, then we see how it is in Mexico and how it was in Nazi Germany with Hitler’s largely criminal cabinet and “government”.

        • Satori-

          If the voters in Chicago had any sense…they’d demand their mayor’s frequent visits to the (queer) “bath houses” be videotape as well!!!!

      27. In excess of 55 million disarmed civilians were murdered by their own governments in the 20th century as the chart and data from JPFO Jews For The Preservation Of Firearms Ownership shows. A handful that managed to obtain arms and use them in their defense survived as the Bielski Brothers demonstrated and the movie Defiance dramatized.

        The actions of criminals and mad men pale in comparison to the horrors inflicted by governments gone bad upon elements that were out of favor in their own civilian population.

        • Certainly the possession of arms and a martial spirit by the Jews would have saved perhaps millions of them from the Nazis, including the prevention of the heart-crushing murders of their children by the Nazis. Indeed, it’s the possession of arms by modern Israelis–by the grace of God– that maintains the State of Israel.

          • How many would have been saved is unknown but they sure in hell would have made “The Final Solution” very costly for the NAZI Government. Because of this the NAZI Weapons Law of 1938 came into being. It was piggybacked on previous gun control laws dating back into the late 1920s which mandated firearm registration all with the best of intentions of course.

            • Check Jew almanacs etc and international Red Cross orgs Real factual records. Also Englands Most Famous Historians many Books and find the Truth.

              Their Own jew maintained population globally records says only aprox 505-550 THOUSAND jews were IN germany at time hitler got elected. David Irvings facts filled documented writings Prove that there is NO wheres in ANY records, not in usa or other allies files anywheres any actual Proof that hitler EVER stated or had any official Policy to “Exterminate jews”.

              98% of ALl we been taught of the holyhoax events and jews and WWII and Germans is Bunk. And today we Have access to litterally several Million Pages of formerly Hidden secreted documents from every allied nations files, cia or OSS as it was called then, as well as germays official documents etc….

              WWII was based on Lies as are todays wars for jews/israel.

              Zionist, Kommie Khazrs Lies and agendas for a nwo thats really a Jwo.

              I realize some of you that promote we never should trust nor believe anything from fed govnt or MSM also seem to believe the ONE thing they always are honest on is jews & WWII issues…But thats wrong headed. Yes MSM, Hollywood and fed govnt all controled by jews with a vested intrest in it all has LIED even about…WWII & jews/holohoax issues.

              Same goes for Out of context quotes by hitler and mien kamph verses….When Most are Read IN full context, and also like Goebels oft quoted propaganda statement is taken in FULL context…One finds out in Most such statements hitler was alerting german folks as to How Bolshevik Kommie Jews operates and how such jewdeo kommies scam folks….Thats exactly what Goebels said too in FULL context. He was on the radio warning german folks how to Spot typical Lies by jew bolshevik soviet kommies since germany Then was full of such kommies.

              Do serious UNbiased research and you can today eaisly locate more than enough documented facts that dispell all the lies we were taught on these issues, to keep one busy reading for Months.

              Discalimer: I have no agreement with nor approve of any evils done by hitler or soviets or usa govnt and military.

              My main concern and intrest is the REAL truth, especially on the Biggest Hoaxes of the entire 20th century…Perhaps even the biggest Hoaxes of ALl known eras of history!..IE the Holyhoax, the fraud six million jews, the Now proven False gas chamber deaths…As well as the entire huge Mountain of evidence proving it all as fraud falsehoods….Such as Gun Laws in germany by hitler! Hitler eased gun laws mainly for all citizens…ONLY banned guns for Known jewdeo-kommie blosheviks and any others know of as actual anti germany kommies Inside germany then…ALL other persons had LESS gun laws under hitler.

              But hey if you want to keep believing feds and msm Lies on everything, Except for WWII and six million holyhoaxers events?…Go for it..Your loss.

              PS Please Spare me details as told by some distant uncle who was “There” so was My father in WWII and Korea.

              Last I heard from guys who was There in wwii germany, as well as EVERY Photo I ever viewed on holohoax events…Never yet has any huge Pile of dead skinny bodies displayed any Branded “J” for jew in their dead bodies to determine “IF” said Pile of dead were even jewish? french? germans?!…

              It was easy as pie for allies and usa leadership to ship masses of dead german bodies FROM berlin and Dresden AFTER English and usa planes carpet Inciderary bombed those Innocent citizen filled german “safe zone cities”..TO…huge Piles of dead bodies FOR the usa army paid photographers to film it all eh…

              FREE book in full and online that details the lies and atrocieties america and its allies especially soviet kommie bolshevik Russian reds did to germans NON combatants in them two cities AFTER german agreed to Uncond surrender too!…Is “Gruesome Harvest” locate and Read That book documented and written by a man there before smoke cleared…

              Read how usa govnt Ordered 45,000 Black sodiers to germany After war ended to rape every White german female age 8 to 80+ and try to get them pregnant so to wipe out every trace of pure white folk germans…Facts, Documented that none can now refute…I can supply a LINK to that Book if desired and a whole Lots More links to refute at least 98% of all we was ever told was true.

              be Glad to assist in your truth quest.

              • Them Guys:

                The bulk of the Jews murdered were in Poland, Belarus and the other occupied countries.

                As for it being a hoax my uncle liberated or came across recently liberated camps as a US Infantry Soldier. The evidence was shown at Nuremberg. Where is your mountain of lies located?

                The NAZI weapons laws forbid Jews and others from owning any weapons. Only those loyal to the NAZIs were allowed possession of arms. I have the book translated into English. Interestingly the GCA68 (Gun Control Act of 1968) has passages in it that for all intent are verbatim to the NAZI weapons laws. Senator Dodd its author and chief sponsor of GCA68 just so coincidently was an attorney at Nuremberg with access to these documents. As the church lady says on SNL, “How Convenient”.

                • Kevin2; Yes, many Jews and many others died in the camps! The “others” of course, don’t count so lets just concern ourselves with the Jews. Had your Uncle came upon the camp a year or so earlier, he would have found an unhappy situation; Jews working against their will for the German war effort but paying for their upkeep with their labors. He also may have seen swimming pools, an orchestra to entertain the workers and decent food to feed them and Doctors to care for them. They were, of course there because International Jewry had declared war on Germany in 1933 and the German government did not want the trouble that Partisans could present in the streets of Germany. The ultimate destination of the Jews would have been Madagascar had the war gone well for the Germans but of course, it didn’t and what your Uncle saw was probably horrors that only a hateful war can create. I am sure that our conditioning and programming is so complete and successful that it cannot be perceived or understood that if a kid riding a bicycle or an old man pulling a cart down the road would be machined gunned, then food and medical supplies could not get to the camps. Allied fighter planes were everywhere and seeking targets! Those poor people died of Typhus and starvation and this must said over and over again. The German nation was on its knees and Germans were dying everywhere but they still tried to get provisions to the camps even in the last months of the war but the Allied authorities, Eisenhower, would not allow it. The Red Cross could verify this if they wanted a visit by Jews promising hells wrath but don’t hold your breath. It might also be noted by all that the allied powers, knowing that Germany had lost the war and would soon be forced to surrender, had as its final goal of the war, the death, read murder, of as many hundreds of thousands of Germans as possible by the fire bombings that they undertook! Dresden was a cultural center with great art and architecture filled at the time with refugees from the east, women, children and old people fleeing the murderous Jew led Soviets. There were also grievously wounded soldiers taken there from the eastern front with the thought being that they would be safe there. The great Drunken Bastard Churchill and FDR thought it a splendid idea to burn them all alive but that’s OK because Churchill, Whore of the Jews and Roosevelt, Whore of the Jews, won the war and write the history OF the war and so, most folks believe as they are taught to believe and would never, ever believe that Germany was before and during the war , a great civilization but if ever a nation deserved an apology from the nations of planet Earth, it would be…Germany!!

                  • WOW

                    Lets see the evidence. Doctors in the camps? Of course there were German Doctors in the camps; Josef Mengele was one of them.

                    The ovens and gas chambers were for weekend Bar-B- Q?

                    I forgot about another friends father that was a Polish Catholic. He was taken into slave labor as a young teen and cleaned out the ovens to survive. Stanley “Stash,” Mr L to us never took off his shirt at the swim club our community had. One time it was off for a moment and we seen the scars. Us kids all asked his two boys, “What happened”? He was whipped by the NAZIs. These two kids never seen the TV show “Combat” which was real big back then. The never played Army. It was all forbidden in their home.

                    All I can say is.


      28. The statists in Washington will rant and scream for gun control AGAIN, and they will fail AGAIN if we support our gun lobbies. That is what you and I need to do today to stop this. We have beaten them in the past and we will beat them again.

      29. Some parents don’t give their kids the time of day. They are too busy but you make the time. I know we don’t know anything about this boy on how he was raised so all I can say is, the signs were there BIG TIME. More should have been done. It has nothing to do with defending ourselves.

      30. GOVERNMENT has and will kill many more of our children with THEIR overly massive arsenal of guns and weapons of mass destruction. They’ll do it to coerce our separation from our loved ones to re-shape everyone in the image of the world-wide “company-and-government-town” economy and State.

      31. Government is THE arch-criminal with a gun. ANYONE who government says is a “criminal” is now to be regarded as an innocent person whom government is zeroing in on to squelch their voice and prevent their further individual liberty to live and necessarily let everyone else equally live.

      32. Catchy title. I hope the NRA uses openly and widespread. My only hope is the next dead kid is the author’s. Then, let’s see if he is still fullof bravado. He sounds like a typical arm chair Rambo wannabee willing to fight to the last drop of somebody else’s blood but unwilling to shed his own. Keep displaying this moronic attitude and more and more gun owners like myself wil turn against you. Then what will you do. And don’t say you will hide behind your guns, becausewhat, we have guns too and are beginning to view people not a the responsible gun owners you have folled yourself to be, but dangerous psychopaths. You see your rights as more important that our kids’ lives, we see our safety as more important than your life.

        • Dazed and confused = brain dead idiot

          By the way, learn to use spell check!

      33. That’s standard MO for the Democrats. It’s always someone or something else’s fault other than the problem itself, there’s always a spin, and there’s always an agenda shamelessly waiting for the right moment. Never let a crisis go to waste, right? I’m sick and tired of the collective guilt mindset every time that because one person does something bad, you or I are somehow to blame too and should have what we like taken away or subject to more red tape. Yes, I’m a bad person because I want the best weapons to protect myself, my friends, and my country-one of the last few countries with an armed citizenry. I take personal offense to that, and to that piece of shit Michael Moore blaming white males with guns again when Elliot Rodger was biracial. There already are background checks and it did not stop him. The NRA wasn’t responsible for his actions either. And if these ‘dual-citizens’ won’t stand for America, they should move to Tel Aviv.

        Witnesses reported additional suspect in the vehicle. A student, Michael Vitak, said “Guys in a BMW. Maybe they were trying to prove they’re tough”. Another person, a girl named Sierra, says she was approached by two men in the BMW. The driver showed a handgun and said to her “Hey, what’s up?”. The Santa Barbara Independent and police audio also initially reported two suspects.

      34. More blame can point to American preoccupation w/ violence than anything else. Time to point to the sources like the movies, actors, video games, music. Their influence is enormous.

        • The source of violence isn’t in the movies, actors, video games and music…it’s inside of us. Humankind has been at war with something or the other, since we fought to slither out of the primordial ooze. It has been a fight to survive and thrive. Nothing came to us for free, we’ve had to fight for everything we are. Every living thing has to fight to survive, or die.

          That being said, what God gave us that made us different from the lower life forms, was a soul.

          Our soul allowed us to use our superior brain, for empathy and logic, as well as evil. Our soul is that part of our being, that gives us the ability to decide for ourselves how we should act. In other words, we are not just the sum of our environment. We control our environment, not the other way around.

          People are violent because they choose to be violent, not because of pixels on a screen. WHAT WE CHOOSE TO BECOME IS OF OUR OWN MAKING. WE are each responsible for our actions.

          I’ve never bought into the socialist idea of shirking responsibility for the consequences of our personal choices. We blame the drugs we liked, the guns we had, the TV show we watched, the neighbor’s rudeness, the “terrorists”, our parents, the teachers at school…etc.

          It isn’t the drug’s fault we are an addict—it is our own fault. We had a choice and we made the wrong one.

          It isn’t the gun’s fault people died—the guilt belongs to the person who decided to pull the trigger.

          The TV didn’t teach us to be assholes.

          It isn’t the environment’s fault that mankind has become anything BUT kind—it is a choice each of us made for ourselves. What we are, is OUR FAULT.

          I hope more people make better choices in the future. We always have a choice, even if we don’t like the choices we have.

          • For all your grandstanding here, looks like you didnt understand my comment.

            • Promordial Oooze we crawled out from?…Not Me! I was created by God not Darwins Oooze soup.

              And Yes violent videos has been proven the BEST fastest method to Train usa army soldiers to KILL without question.

              Whats that guys name who did those army video game studies?..Col David hackworth maybe???

              Sixpack havent you paid atten to all the solid proof galore me and others here has posted on that Frankfrut School of “Cultural Marxism” teaching/training Done to subvert and change americans Into Kommies?

              That too is facts 100%. And Yes such training with youths and adults has proven to work to change people and not change for the better neither!

              Everything you say has zero bearing is simply wrong. Drugs, violence, volient constant tv and hollywood movies weekly for 50 years Has a proved detremental effect on many in society…SEE Dem Libs party wonks…SEE 95% blacks in usa today…SEE Soviet jewdeo kommmie, german jews that invented franfurt school and Then brought it Here to usa in 1934-36 era…And rapidly started use of it all at Colleges first, then hollywood, then TV etc.

              Its absurd to say nothing like that causes a bad effect.

              If it didnt work as planned?…Them soviet kommies and jewdeo kommie Hollywood and Tv never would continue its use…They’d RE invent it till it did work as planned.

              I guess Next you will say no such thing as “White Guilt” has had any effect on a majority of americans too?

              SEE: todays many white folk who daily Crave acceptance by and a pat on their backs By Blacks to finally rid them of their 500 LB load of white guilt they carry 24/7 everywheres…Thats why so many whiteys voted hobammy the “Blackman” for prez!

              Mind programing does work….Todays america is best ever proof!

              • “Sixpack havent you paid attention” Maybe that’s my problem—and my salvation. You see, I claim personal responsibility for my actions, even the bad ones. When I mess up, I blame me.

                I guess I am not affected by violent movies, because I understand that they ARE JUST MOVIES, with actors and a script they follow—and special effects and props.

                I guess I haven’t been turned into a mass murderer by “Call of Duty” because I understand that it’s just a computer program, designed to enhance my hand-eye coordination and reflexes.

                I guess I wasn’t paying attention to the brainwashing and hypnotism. I guess I’ve just been too stupid to fall for the idea that I’m not really in control of myself—that it’s the movies and video games fault if I make bad choices.

                All I know is, if more people stopped blaming everything and everyone else for their mistakes and short-comings and just took full responsibility for their own actions, THE WORLD MIGHT BE A BETTER PLACE.

                If a person owns their own behavior, it doesn’t matter how many movies they watch or video games they play…

                EVIL COMES FROM WITHIN, not from a video game. It is our CHOICE whether to let it loose or restrain it.

      35. Only the government should be allowed to bear arms.

        The people should be disarmed immediately.

        Only then will ‘Murica be safe.

        • you forgot the /sarc off HTML tag.

      36. Also, the kid made no mention of firearms. His rant was against sorotities and pretty girls. It seems obvious that if we want to prevent this sort of thing from happening again, we should ban sororities and all pretty girls on college campuses.

      37. I think our government understands that they can’t enforce a open war on the 2nd amendment. They’re doing it quietly, drying up ammo and signing international treaties. Also they use these tragedies to play on the heart strings of the sheeple. Smart. We should support the same, and show the sheeple that we are not the bad guy, and we are the real ones who keep America safe. Some people on this site are going to red thumb me saying that they won’t listen. We stil should try I think. I’ve had some people wake up in my side of town. Extended family seem to be the ones who think iM crazy 🙂

      38. And by supporting the same I mean capture the heart of the people, not use tragedies to as a soapbox 🙂

      39. Bring back the insane asylums for freaks like this kid. Parents have no where to put these mentally disturbed individuals. Until they do something that lands them in jail or dead.

      40. Obviously nobody called 911 and then waited for police to arrive like they should have. Oh, they did?
        Good thing this american on amerian spy program sniffs out nothing but tax money then.

        Terrorists/crazies: countless
        NSA: 0

      41. So is Mr Plumber mentally ill, but claims he should still be able to buy weapons?

      42. Barney; Thanks for your concern but don’t worry about America! Sure, this nation is in a world of trouble as is Great Britain, all of the European countries, Australia, New Zealand, all of our White people, brothers and close cousins all! I long for the day when we can all look upon ourselves as one Nation. When the glorious day arrives when the Jew is removed from our midst and the great dream of resettling this unusual race to Madagascar where they can do no more harm to anyone as it seems they are wont to do,…then, the phrase, Nation is Race, Race is Nation will again take effect upon the poor deluded minds of our White Brothers And Sisters and we shall fight each other no more! Not so, right now! Wouldn’t you know that there would have to be unpleasantness first! Not to worry, we are well aware that if we lose, then the concept of Liberty will be lost for perhaps thousands of years! We will not lose!!! We have every hope that the majority of the military will join us when this Bastard Jew government moves against us but if they don’t, we will still win!, it will be just a bit nastier! Until it starts, be well aware that we will never surrender our arms and that when it does start, those arms will be in your service and our service, the creators of civilization!

      43. If you idiots really believe the title of this article, you will do the following: Call a family meeting with all your children and the mother/father of your children. Look into the eyes of each child and tell them, while cradling your firearm, that if you had to choose between them and your firearm, they would lose. If you can do that, then you are one sick human being. If you cannot do that, then you need to put the author of this article in his place which is in a psycho ward.

        • re: Tearful plea from victim’s dad in deadly rampage

          Because YOU don’t give a SHIT about MY rights to defend myself and my family, from people like the one who killed your son, and from people LIKE YOU, who want to see everybody at the mercy of criminals and tyrants.

          You say that your son is dead because of the NRA? You say your son is dead because of politicians who refuse to VIOLATE our God-given rights to self-defense, as outlined in the Bill of Rights? Are you out of your flippin mind??

          What about all the people that we DON’T get to see? The people that the “media” refuses to show? The people who are very THANKFUL that they had a firearm to defend themselves, in an otherwise life-ending situation?

          But NOOOOOOOO… They always parade around libturd DIPSHITS just like you, who immediately want to see good, decent, law-abiding people, stripped of their RIGHT to self-defense, because you suffered a personal loss at the hands of a criminal. And you are simply too STUPID to understand what governments historically do to unarmed subjects.

          And you are too STUPID to see that you are now being USED, to push an anti-American, anti common sens), and UNCONSTITUTIONAL political agenda.

          Sir… I hope that you have another son. And I hope that he gets hit by a bus, or someone takes him out with a baseball bat. That way, you can apply your “logic” towards working to eliminate buses and bats.

          Sound harsh? FUCK YOU.

          You obviously don’t give a rat’s ass about ME or MY family, and our ability to protect ourselves, in a world that even YOU can see, is quite dangerous. So my attitude is… FUCK YOU. There are killers out there, and you want everybody at their mercy? Like over in the UK? You want them killed with bats, hammers, and knives, instead of guns?

          Look, shit-fer-brains… The Genie is NOT going back into the bottle. If you disarm the law-abiding, the NON law-abiding will still ALWAYS find a way to be armed. Let me guess, you want to eliminate nuclear weapons, too. Even though the BAD guys will ALWAYS find a way to have one.

          Just like nuclear weapons, when guns were invented, they became NECESSARY, because evil people will always find a way to be armed, and good people need to be able to counter the threat, with equal or greater force.

          Even a 10 year old could understand this, but not you. You are simply too STUPID to understand, even something THAT simple.

          You WOULD have had my deepest sympathies. But now, I don’t give a fuck about your son. He was the offspring of a total and complete imbecile. I hope the rest of your dangerous gene pool dies off, as well. People like you, are the reason that governments of the 20th century killed HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of innocent people, in less than a hundred years. Their own citizens, who had done NOTHING wrong.

          But again, you are simply too STUPID to understand the reasoning of the founding fathers, who risked life and limb, fleeing Europe, because of people JUST LIKE YOU. This is why I hope that your entire gene pool of libtard morons dies off. So the rest of us can live in common sense and reason.

          They say “hell is a place where there IS no reason”. And I can assure you of one thing, you fucking brain dead dipshit…

          The perp was a LIBTURD!! Not an NRA member!!

          STOP blaming the innocent, and START blaming the CRIMINAL, you libtard maggot!!!

      44. “Police would have the justification necessary to simply kick down doors any time they believe a threat may exist, even if no evidence of such exists…”

        Maybe it’s just me, but kicking down the doors of people who own guns seems like a REALLY bad idea. My guns threaten no one who isn’t threatening me. Invading my home IS grounds for me to defend myself.

      45. The anti-gun nuts are lucky I didn’t write the Consitution, otherwise these rights would be the body of it and not amendments. I would have written that you have the right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self defense, procuring food and target practice. You’d have the right to own and use ammunition. I would also write in the right to own and use the equipment to repair or manufacture firearms, and the right to own and use the equipment to make or reload your own shells. And would also include the right to own and use a knife for defense or preparation of food. I might also consider including the right to use arms to throw out a crooked government.

      46. There’s nothing I like better than a good coincidence. Consider: A young man in Newtown, CT and suffering from an obscure form of Autism, due to the lax gun laws of Connecticut (??) is able to acquire a gaggle of firearms, goes to a nearby school and shoots and kills a group of people he doesn’t even know. He then kills himself. Last week, ANOTHER young man, suffering from the same obscure form of Autism, is able to acquire a gaggle of firearms due to the lax gun laws of California, go to a nearby school, shoot a bunch of people he doesn’t know, and then kills himself. Of course, he’s not from Newtown, CT. His father, however, directed a movie based upon a novel, written by a lady WHO LIVES IN NEWTOWN CT. Just a coincidence, right?

      47. I wonder whether, like Sandy Hoax, the school in California was also shut down years before this imaginary “lone nut” who, like the badly drawn Adam Lanza, probably didn’t even exist, walked in and shot loads of kids who weren’t even there because the “school” wasn’t used as a school any more.

        They don’t even bother to fake the “news” any more. They just report another fantasy as if it had really happened.

        That’s what happens when one insane group controls the media and government.

        Break the money-as-debt SCAM and you break the jew.

        A footnote. If Madagascar has an airport (probably), it needs to be made inoperable before we ship the devil’s own there. We also need to remove all ships, boats and light aircraft.

        They MUST NOT be allowed to escape to re-pollute the world.


      48. They ‘Claim’ they want to take the guns because they
        kill so many innocent Citizens!!! Based on the
        following, it would appear we should be limiting
        the practices of Doctors, & NOT worrying so much about
        guns!!!! These #’s WILL shock YOU!!!

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