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An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.
Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.
His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as “the avenue of choice” for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.
Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett’s wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.
The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.
Attorneys for the immigrants – five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States – have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.
Source: Washington Times
A complete and utter joke.Â If this doesn’t get thrown out of court immediately, it will be just another sign of how far this country bends over to cater to those who don’t live here and forces its citizens to bend over and take it.
I hope that every American, regardless of where he lives, will stop and examine his conscience about this and other related incidents. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened. All of us ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated, as one would wish his children to be treated, but this is not the case.
I know the proponents of this law say that the majority approves of this law, but the majority is not always right. Would women or non-whites have the vote if we listen to the majority of the day, would the non-whites have equal rights (and equal access to churches, housing, restaurants, hotels, retail stores, schools, colleges and yes water fountains) if we listen to the majority of the day? We all know the answer, a resounding, NO!
Today we are committed to a worldwide struggle to promote and protect the rights of all who wish to be free. In a time of domestic crisis men of good will and generosity should be able to unite regardless of party or politics and do what is right, not what is just popular with the majority. Some men comprehend discrimination by never have experiencing it in their lives, but the majority will only understand after it happens to them.
SorryÂ to disappoint you Beans.Â
Obama will have his nose so far up these illegal immigrants asses you’ll need a D8 Catepillar to pull him out.Â Â Â
Barky has a lot in common with these guys,Â he’s notÂ legal either.
And so will put his administration’s full support behind the cross border trespassers and hang the rancher out to dry.Â
Benito – can I assume, based on your rantings, that you are actively petitioning the Mexican govt to change their immigration laws which are dramatically more strict that what we have here in the USA?
Good grief… pull your head out… people’s right to be free goes only as far as it does NOT affect the rights of others to their pursuit of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness (Property). Â People do not have the ‘right’ to break our laws, kill our citizens, trespass, steal property, kill animals and cause mayhem. Â Wise up.
If I were the judge and jury in this case I’d ordered the 16 Mexican folk to be returned to Mexico.Â As for the POS lawyer who took up the case to sue the rancher, his family and Sheriff I’d have him taken outside and hung from the flag pole.Â The sign around his neck would read “Traitor, Justice Applied”
â€œAll Men are created equalâ€! The founders had it right, when attempting to form a perfect union and they also knew that they were not there yet but knew we one day would get there. Lincoln moved us forward as did JFK and LBJ. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened.
It is my contention that this AZ law is not constitutional and will fail when challenged (unless, of course, they keep adding more amendments), pretty funny for this so called perfect law, that many claim was copied from the Federal law, sure it was.
As for the undocumented workers, as was attributed to Ronald Reagan â€œItâ€™s the Economy, Stupidâ€. When the economy is good we say letâ€™s all celebrate â€œCinco de Mayo, my brothersâ€ but when the economy is down â€œitâ€™s all your fault, you damn immigrantâ€. This too will pass. The real problem is the narcosis/drug and people smuggler thatâ€™s what the focus should be on.
Donâ€™t you find it funny that no one ever voted for Brewer for Governor, itâ€™s all about politics and getting elected, do not be fooled. Busy Brewer has passed S.B. 1070, no permit conceal weapons law, the famous Birthers law, banning Ethic studies law, and if history is a lesson their House Bill 2779 from two years ago (which failed when legally challenged) and the craziest one the boycotted Martin Luther King Day, not wanting another holiday, how crazy is that. I believe there is an undercurrent to their enactment of new laws, they real love following a distinct pattern.
Call me beans.Â Dry cleaning is ready.
Let me see if I have this right … a bunch of illegals tresspass on this man’s land and the illegals … who have no rights in this country and shouldn’t be here in the first place … and are violating the land of this country simply byÂ being here illegally … Â are suing the rancher for protecting his own land that they are tresspassing on.Â
Oh … the emotional distress … let meÂ pull my hankie out.
Benito … if you don’t like it here … then please go back to where you came from and fight for your “civil rights” there.
It amazes me how a very simple issue is twisted into some human rights/racism/political/cry-for-the-â€œimmigrantâ€ propaganda. Â The issue is NOT immigrants, itâ€™s ILLEGALS.Â Notice that word â€“ illegal.Â Plain and simple, they are not immigrants, they are criminals (by definition since they crossed illegally). Â Yes, as soon as you cross the border illegally, you are a criminal; just as you would be if you crossed illegally into Mexico. Â I have absolutely nothing against immigrants. Â Welcome to the country, my fellow Americans.Â Criminals who use stealth to illegally enter a country, and subsequently trespass on private property, put themselves at great risk.Â That rancher could have chosen a different approach.Â If you care about people who cross illegally, encourage them to become immigrants â€“ not criminals.Â Donâ€™t disrespect them by using them just to further your political agenda with some humanitarian tone.
You go it Diane. We also have a SCOTUS who will deny hearing States Rights issues citing a “lack of standing” while, evidently, a Mexican national has full rights to legal council and access to our court system. FUBAR. Word for the Border States………shoot shovel and shut up. The rule of law has been decidedly swayed towards upholding the evils of bankers, politicians, corporations, and the left wing agenda. If you do not fall into one of those categories then you are a liability in the greater scheme of things.
Benito, when you WILLINGLY break the law, you lose certain ‘rights’… how can people breaking national sovereignty laws, tresspassing, destruction of property, cruelty to animals, etc… be given ANY ‘rights’ other than to ‘sit down’ and ‘stfu’. if they want to live in this country so badly, why don’t they MAN-UP and change their OWN country… we have enough problems here without them…
The issue is so simple â€“ they are not immigrants; they are ILLEGALS.Â This is not a human rights or racism issue.Â Itâ€™s very basic.Â I have nothing against immigrants â€“ welcome, my fellow Americans.Â When you cross the border by stealth illegally (notice that word) you have broken the law and become a criminal; just like you would be if your crossed illegally into Mexico.Â Period.Â Crossing illegally into a country (making you a criminal) and subsequently trespassing on private property, is a dangerous thing to do.Â That rancher could have chosen a different course of action.Â People who so vainly use those illegals to add a humanitarian tone to their political agenda, do them a great disservice. Â If you really care about them, encourage them to go home, become actual immigrants (not criminals), and enter the country legally.
I’m sure the US Attrorney General would be happy to represent them in this case…. the illegals that is.
@Benito – The man who wrote that all men are created equal was an owner of slaves. Despite that unfortunate sentence, he conducted his life as if he believed that different human subspecies are distinct and unequal. It’s unlikely that he meantÂ to say that every denizen of every third world cesspit (e.g., Mexico) on the planet has the right to enter the United States. He probably meant that Americans are as good as their British cousins.
Also, federal law, viz. 18 USC 3041, empowers state officials to enforce federal law at federal expense. For example, bank robbery is a federal offense, but local police don’t sit back and allow bank robbers to ply their trade with impunity. Since another federal law, 18 USC 1325, forbids your compatriots to sneak across our border, state officials are empowered to enforce that law as well.
From the Washington Times article, “Mr. Barnett’s attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens. ” Barnett should fire his attorney. The issue is not that illegal immigrants should have fewer rights than U.S. citizens, but that they should not have more rights than U.S. citizens.Â If a U.S. citizen were to trespass on another’s land, federal courts would derisively dismiss any allegation that the trespasser’s civil rights were violated. Well, if the trespasserÂ were white, they would, anyway.
The invaders, a.k.a “undocumented workers,” seem to arrogate themselves the right to sneak across our borders, the right to trespass on our land, and the right to use falsified documents. Do they think they have the right to rape our women as well? They seem to believe themselves empowered to disregard such of our laws as they please.
the overarchingÂ situation here is that we are actually in a worldwide civil war.Â it’s the megawealthy vs. everybody else..
the drive by the megawealthy to smash the earning power of working americans has many ramifications…these illegals are just part of this problem. they drag down american wages and also allow the wealthy mexican government Â to export poverty and relieve pressureÂ on themÂ to improve living conditions in mexico.
AGAIN, we have these bleeding cry from ILLEGALS that they have “rights.” HELLO??? What part of “illegal” did you not understand? Last time I’ve checked, the United States of America is a land of LAW. L-A-W. Until we remove that and become a land of unlawless individuals, that person has all the right to protect his/her property as he/she sees fit!! If it was a white person trespassing my ranch, and I caught them, I would do the same @#$ think. You move, I shoot. Unfortunately, where this person’s property was located, it is unavoidable that he will run across Mexican Nationals who have entered this country..drum roll please..ILLEGALLY!!
Lets not also forget folks, that if the FEDERAL government did their job, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place!! After 1985 (when President Reagan passed the 1st huge amnesty), you would THINK we would be serious about our border: even more so after we got hit by the terrorists on 9-11.
How can I say this? Because my parents and I came here LEGALLY!! As far as I’m concerned, you have no rights when you violated the soverignty of a country by crossing it illegally! Look around all of the other nations out there. You see anyone treat illegals the way we do??? Not saying I don’t understand why they are here. It is a no-brainer!! If my piss-poor country can’t provide for my family/future and just the north of me I have a country that will give me all of the goodies (free education, nationalize any child(ren) I father, etc.), I make a bee-line to risk my life to get aÂ tap of the “American way.” Just be thankful that the rancher didn’t shoot first and ask questions later!!
So, if you want to come here, get your butt in the back of the line!! For those who came here illegally and have fathered/mothered child(ren), deport the lot!! Sorry. No sympathy for people who did not respect our laws. PERIOD!!
Sartx has it right … these are not immigrants … they are ILLEGALS.Â There is a huge difference.Â
My parents (and all my relatives)Â are LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that entered this country lawfully ANDÂ have LOVED THIS COUNTRY as it’s adopted citizens from the day they arrived here many years ago.Â My parents were so grateful to beÂ inÂ this country and so PROUD to be American citizens.Â
My parents went to school, learned how to speak English and assimilated into the American culture with pleasure and with pride.Â
People like Benito have no respect, no appreciation and no gratitude for America.Â All they see is a free meal ticket and the ability to behave in a manner they would get shot for in their own country.
All legal immigrants are welcome to our great country.Â Illegals are NOT immigrants.Â Illegals have not earned the right to have any “civil rights” in this country and should leave immediately.
As a natural born American citizenÂ of proud immigrant parents these Illegals waving their “native” flags and demanding rights while they are in effect crimminals for being here illegally in the first place just make my blood boil with their double speak politically correct lies and BS.
Being in the United States illegally is a crime. Anyone who defends illegalÂ invaders should be arrested , tried and sentenced for aiding and abetting.Â Benito, you have been accused of aiding and abetting crimanl activity. YOU have been found guilty and are sentenced to be deported to mexico!
Is this a fu*%ing joke?Â Â Wake up America!Â What a joke this country has become.Â Â What can we do to turn this BS around?Â Too late?Â
This is such BS that its almost impossible to comment on it. Guys like Benito (aptly named after one of his Mussolini relatives no doubt) only see things one way. And that is ‘what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine also’. Hence, it’s OK with Benito that this rancher had his property trespassed on, animals mistreated, etc., because that guy’s property belongs to Benito and his ilk, illegals with NO RIGHTS at all in this country because they have broken several statutes by just being in the country illegally. One of these days maybe just maybe guys like Benito will wake up and smell the coffee. I kina doubt he will though!
This is an interesting issue. You have illegal immigrants (expecting rights and protection under the US judicial system), you have a land owner (knowing his rights will not be protected by anyone but himself), you have US policy makers (Reagen(amnesty), Clinton (NAFTA), G. Bush (zero border enforcement after 9-11), and Obama (zero border enforcement). The moneyÂ behind the scenes is driving this in a certain direction. You add a few under-informed people like Benito, who cherry pick a quote from a revered document or book. It is not hard to see where this is going to end up. It makes one really appreciate the intestinal fortitude of a John Hancock, a Ben Franklin, or a Thomas Paine.
Comments…..I’ve had it with this bull shit. Next time the guy should just shoot’em and feed them to his dog.
He should have shot them in the first place.Â Then there would be no lawsuit.
This is all a distraction.Â President Bush, Fox and Canada signed into law a NWO a few yrs. back.Â Look it up.Â It’s going to fall when it’s ready.Â I’m a citizen of the world.Â Now that is something to fear.
If Governor Jan Brewer comes back a changed person after her meeting with the Traitor-in-Chief this week thenÂ it is a foregone conclusion that the NWO isÂ quietly pushing ahead with formationÂ of a North America Union consisting of Mexico, Canada, and the United States.Â Â
It’s no mystery to me why the Bush family has a 100,000 acre hideout in Paraguay, they are going toÂ hide from angry U.S. citizens there.Â Just like their predessessors, the nazis.Â Â Â Both Bush presidents were always yapping about ‘a new world order’ and so they are also betrayers of the American people and would have reason to hide in South America until Obama exterminates and incarcerates allÂ Constitutionalists.Â Â Â In fact I’d bet they are going to haveÂ Barky move theÂ takeover timetable up as Americans are getting wise to theÂ scheme to destroy the U.S. and bring about the NAU.Â Â Â Hope everyone is ready for a major false flag attack to drive just an event.Â Â Â Â
Eventually the shooting will just start. People will get tired of the bullshit and they’ll just load, lock and fire. They’ll say, “Screw it! If I’m gonna go to the slammer, lets make it worthwhile!”
Its not about illegals. Its not about rights. It is about the continued erosion of the values and economy of the USA so that the NWO and the reign of the globalists can be achieved. Forget it! We have your number! You’ll have to kill us all. We have guns and we shoot back. If they convict this guy, ten thousand mexicans will die in one day. The American people will get so mad, so upset that we’ll just start shooting the imported scum as it slithers across the border. They’ll catch some of us but they won’t catch most of us. Now, instead, the mexicans come into this country and suck us dry, rape us and kill us. I find it hard to believe that you could convict anyone of killing this border crossing scum. They come up here and they kill, rape and plunder and send all they can back to their shithole of origin and they try to make America the same shithole as mexico. Why is mexico a shithole? Well, that would be because of political corruption.
Hey! People! We still have a Constitution! If we have to enforce it via the barrel of a gun, we’ll have to just do it. It has to happen. I hate to see it but the encroachment must be stopped or the USA will dissipate into nothing.
…and the weird thing is, I love these people! Not the illegal scum, the legal Mexican immigrants. The ones that aren’t scum are the hardest working, most honest people around. You know why they call them wetbacks? Its because they’ll be out working and sweating in the sun when everyone else says its too hot. But! The “wetbacks” aren’t the ones sneaking accross the border. The wetbacks are the ones that came up here to join us, to work and be Americans. …and, man, do I love their food.
So, the first person to think I’m a racist is an idiot. If I want to lock up all the rapists and 90% of those rapists were Canadians, would I be a racist? No. I love people from Mexico, but, I equally dislike illegal immigrants.Â
Put them all on buses and send them to Pennsylvania Avenue one way.Â Â Let the assholes who let them in the country put up with their bullshit.Â Â
Yeah Obama, that’s you, your not doing your job, as usual.Â Liar.Â
My great grand-mother was born in Mexico. Did she ever become a U.S. citizen, I do not know.
Here is what I do know: Mexico needs to take care of its own people. Can you tell me why they don’t?
He was well within his rights. Not because they were illegal aliens (which makes them criminals), but because they were trespassing on his land.
In fact, since they were there against his wishes, if he had felt threatened or in fear for his life, he would have been within the right to shoot them in self defense.
Something for illegal ‘trespassers’ to think about.
Personally I think he ought to see about a surplus of land mines and just take care of the problem that way.
Sorry liberals… I’m just not much in a caring mood anymore.
Speaking of liberals why don’t we allow all of these illegals to squat in California?Â Â Nancy Pelosi is such a caring liberal, she’ll gladly take them in.Â Â And the state of California is a financial basket case anyways so what’s another 20-40 million illegals to them anyways?Â Â
Go west my illegal friend, go west, California wants you.Â Nancy Pelosi has connections to the supreme lawbreaker in the White House.Â Â You and all your offspring will be well cared for in California.Â Go there as fast as you can.Â
Comments…..Put a bounty on them so we can all make some $$ on them. We have the rights not the illegals.
Regrettably, the most likely outcome in Barnett’s case is that the $PLC will sue on behalf on the illegal aliens, who will end up owning Barnett’s ranch. There’s a precedent. See http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/national/19ranch.html?_r=1.
If the rancher had simply shot them all, dug a nice deep hole with a backhoe, and buried them someplace on his 22,000 acres, he wouldn’t be facing a $32M lawsuit in a country where the concept of “illegal aliens” has to be explained to complete morons who can’t conceive what that term means. It might have cost him $15 in ammo and another $20 in fuel for the backhoe.
Secession. Who needs the feds? They are running amok. Don’t send money there, don’t expect bail outs and payouts. Make do with what you have. Clear demarcation of responsibility self determination is called for. People, it is you. Don’t stand up for what they tell you. There is no need for crazy undecipherable piles of law from Washington. Don’t give them the importance they don’t deserve. Chide them for the irrelevancy the represent.
sjdude…. hats off to you brother. You said what I was thinking.
It’s a simple truth.
You can go to Hell (or some other big city). Youâ€™re a freakâ€™n idiot! Letâ€™s set the record straight!
1) The Mexicans crossing the border are ILLEGAL ALIENS. They have NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS inasmuch as they are ILLEGAL ALIENS. U.S. Citizens and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS do have Constitutional rights. What is it about the word ILLEGAL you donâ€™t understand?
2) If I go onto another persons property ILLEGALLY in another country, I deserve what I get. Just because Mexico is connected physically to the United States DOES NOT give any ILLEGAL ALIEN from ANY COUNTRY (using Mexico as a conduit) the right to enter the United States. Let me make it more clear for you (you dufus).. if I enter England or Germany or Spain or Russia or Bulgaria illegally, I immediately come under their laws. And, these laws vary from country to country. Enter Russia illegally and see how fast and hard they kick your ass. I know. Iâ€™ve been to Russia (legally).
3) According to the World Population Clock (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html), as I write this there are almost 7 billion people on the planet. What? Your stupid bleeding heart wants to open the flood gates and let them ALL in? What if Romania were connected to the USA instead of Mexico? What if Columbia or Africa were connected? Damn it! It doesnâ€™t matter what country or nationality is coming over the border. It doesnâ€™t matter if their skin color is white, brown, black, red or yellow. Illegal aliens are just that illegal! Got it? We canâ€™t let the whole world immigrate to the USA. Bleeding heart or not! Thereâ€™s too damn many Mexicans and OTHER illegal aliens here already. Iâ€™m for stopping ALL immigration until our economy picks up and we Americans get jobs!
4) My great-grandfather fought the Mexicans in Texas. He helped make Texas what it is today. If push comes to shove, youâ€™d better believe I wonâ€™t back down. Iâ€™m NOT going to let Mexicans or any other nationality illegally enter MY country and take MY property and tell ME what to do, when to do it, and how to do it! And, I donâ€™t give one good Goddamn about what Obama says!
5) Name 5 things that were invented, manufactured, and brought to market from Mexico. As you look around you, MOST of what you see was invented here in the USA. And, it was due to our capitalistic structure and the FREEDOM afforded under our Constitution which let us invent, start a business, and sell products. Not Socialism such as is found in Mexico and most of the rest of the world. Furthermore, it was our intelligence and our educational system which turned out people with KNOWLEDGE and the spirit to do something. The Mexicans I grew up with who were U.S. citizens were afforded the same education as I. However, the Mexicans (and others) INVADING our nation via our open borders are about as dumb as they come. Iâ€™ve gotten more sparks by striking two rocks together than what I see between their ears! And, Mexicans and other nationalities want to come to the USA BECAUSE of WHAT WE HAVE and what WE AMERICANS (of all races) HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.
6) Just because you state: â€œWe are committed to a worldwide struggle to promote and protect the rights of all who wish to be free,â€ doesnâ€™t make it so! Who is â€œwe?â€ What? Youâ€™ve got a mouse in your pocket? Like I said, there are almost 7 BILLION people on this planet. Iâ€™m TIRED of worrying about other nations. I donâ€™t give a damn about any other country except the USA. This is MY home. Not Mexico. Iâ€™m a Vietnam veteran and I found out that fighting for â€œfreedomâ€ for another country is bullshit. Same as Iraq and Afghanistan. If they want to live in ignorance and the Middle Agesâ€¦ I donâ€™t give a tinkerâ€™s damn! Similarly, if the average Mexican wants to be ignorant and live the way he/she does then fine. They should fix their own country instead of coming here and trying to change it into Mexico! Iâ€™m tired of their crummy language, crappy music, and ignorant arrogance when the average Mexican has accomplished nothing but take up space on the planet and drain resources which could be used more productively by people with higher intelligence! In fact, Iâ€™m for making birth control mandatory in some of these 3rd world toilets!
7) Why is Mexico a 3rd world toilet? Why is the average Mexican uneducated? Why do they speak Spanish and are 99% Catholic? It is because of their governmental system.. past and present. When Spain invaded Mexico, Central America and South America, they forced the people to work for them as slaves. They forced them to give up their native languages and learn Spanish under penalty of death. Similarly, they were forced to become Catholics under penalty of death. From that time till now there has always been a RULING CLASS in Mexico. It has kept the average person ignorant and in servitude so they will be what they call â€œeconomic slaves.â€ The Catholic church is also to blame. The elite in Mexico use the Catholic church (parishes) to do their bidding via funds and other coercion tactics. The idea is to keep people ignorant and filled with superstition so they will work cheap without much complaint. Kiss the baby Jesus idol, genuflect to the cross, burn some candles and say a bunch of â€œhail Maryâ€™s,â€ as if that will take the place of education, inspiration, and the guts to stand up and change their own government.
8) Am I prejudiced? Hell yes! But not against skin color. Iâ€™m prejudiced against CULTURE! If I wanted to live in a 3rd world toilet Iâ€™d move to Mexico or Central or South America! Iâ€™m damn tired of these Mexicans sneaking into MY country and trying to change it to be Mexico!!
Damn it! When nationalities of other nations came to America they integrated, learned English and became Americans. Talk to any 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation immigrant from Russia, China, Japan, Italy, France, etc. As an example, it was the hearty red wheat the Russian immigrants brought with them from the Russian Steppes to North and South Dakota from 1917 to 1922 which helped make the USA the bread basket of the world.
Itâ€™s PAST TIME for TRUE PATRIOTIC AMERICANS to stand up and take this country back!
Comments…..Harold Johnson, although I don’t agree with every thing you said, I do agree with most of it.
The only thing that I wish is that you would have said more on assimilating into the American culture. Something I know well, being a Native American.
I think it was Roosevelt that said something along the lines of, ‘No country can stand united when its citizens have allegiance to two flags, to two countries’.
That’s why I believe that just allowing the Mexicans (or any other country) to fly there flag here needs to be outlawed.
This is the classic ‘divide and conquer strategy. You divide the country with race, and it takes its own self down.
Agreed coyote.Â On my drive to work, I go through an area that is completely Hispanic.Â Some houses fly flags â€“ Mexican flags.Â Now and then, I see a house flying both Mexican and American flags â€“ with the Mexican flag above the American Flag!!Â They donâ€™t want to become Americans.Â They just want to leach off us and turn wherever they live into Mexico.
Sartx & Coyote … Couldn’t agree more with both of you.Â Well said on both counts.
Donâ€™t you find it funny that no one ever voted for Brewer for Governor, itâ€™s all about politics and getting elected, do not be fooled. Busy Brewer has passed S.B. 1070, no permit conceal weapons law, the famous Birthers law, banning Ethic studies law, (could she be behind the Mural in Prescott, Arizona) and if history is a lesson she should look up Arizonaâ€™s House Bill 2779 from two years ago (which failed when legally challenged) and the craziest one the boycotted Martin Luther King Day, not wanting another holiday, how crazy is that. I believe there is an undercurrent to their enactment of new laws, they real love following a distinct pattern. Poor Brewer, last week, she first she said her Dad had died in Germany fighting the Nazi in World War II (war ended 1945) and we find out her father never was in Germany and died in California in 1955 (watch the spin doctors go into overdrive) and then she went to Washington and came back empty as always, poor dear.
Comments….. Under Clinton/Gore Nafta was passed and went into effect 1/1/94. It allowed forÂ the movement of products between Canada, the US and Mexico with far less restrictions.Â Under Bush/Cheney Nafta was expanded to allow for less restrictons and this included people.Â So it is not surprising that they did nothing to secure the southern border. They did not tell Mexico to stop training their citizens on how to get here illegaly and get an illegal Â job and send the money back to Mexico.Â ( Stats show this is a huge income for the country) This same Bush/Cheney gave us the Homeland Security Act that allows our government to pick up anyone suspected of possibly being in any way involved in or thinking of a terrorist act. This law saysÂ that the “possible terrorist citizen” is not allowed a phone call, hearing or trial and can be held indefinately. (Â Forget the Bill of Rights under thisÂ law!) Â Strange that the administration felt we needed such a strong law to protectÂ us from terrorists, even at the cost of giving up our rights, Â but they left the south door WIDE OPEN and have done nothing to close it.Â Where exactly is the threat as they see it? Â Now look at the then Pres V Fox of Mexico on CNN saying that the North American Union is comming soon and inevitable.Â Â Look at our Pres Obama this past may at a military school graduation ceremony telling them they will serve the world and not justÂ a soverign nation.Â And look at the signage for the United States Navy that now calls it “Americas Global Navy”.Â Are we still the United States or did we morph and nobody told the people?Â !!!
@benito, i only read your post at top, too many to read them all, but you are way off base about saying this nation was founded by immigrants and then claim illegals have a right to be here. We are a nation founded upon law and principle. You mentioned how the founding fathers said every man is created equal, yes this is true. However, we have had a federal laws in place regarding citizenship and immigration for a long time. Americans have civil rights. EVERYONE has human rights. That’s why the border patrol doesn’t execute everyone they see trying to cross the border. That’s why we’re required to feed them, provide shelter, give them medical attention, process them,Â and then we can deport them. I would like to see you cross the border into any other country. Just dont call for help when they arrest you and sentence you to 10 years hard labor or even death.
Also, aside from passing the different exams and filing paperwork, immigrants seeking citizenship have to swear an oath to this country, setting aside all allegiances to other lands.
In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.
Comments…..Why do we allow this?Â The biggest reason and we are really ignorant for letting it happen, the government must be getting something out of it or they do not care because the problem is not in their backyards, letting the illegals in. Â If we are in such financial crisis why do we let them leach from US the LEGAL working tax payers.Â I hear the illegals pay taxes, if they are it DOES NOT make up for the anchor babies they have here, the food stamps, wic, etc. they get from us, long term we pay out a hell of a lot more money than they pay out.Â
OUR men are fighting a war right now, when we catch an illegal here why don’t we send them over to help fight in the war!!!Â Why should OUR men protect them while they are here illegally leaching from us working people and our troops families?????
The problem in our area, and not all of them………they drink, drive resulting in an accident, they own nothing, no insurance so they just walk away from the scene before the police shows up….
Can you imagine if we went into Mexico and did something illegal???
HALLELUJAH AND AMEN ALL MY AMERICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS. GETTING DAMN TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THE POOR “ILLEGAL” IMMIGRANT AND THEIR PLIGHT AND THE SORRY LIBERAL “BITCH ASS” POLITICIANS AND CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING. Â I GREW UP IN A FAMILY THAT WORKED HARD FOR EVERYTHING THEY GOT, AND THAT VALUE WAS INSTILLED IN ME!! PISSES ME OFF THAT THESE PEOPLE COME HERE EXPECTING A HANDOUT(AND GETTING IT). I ALSO SERVED MY COUNTRY PROUDLY IN THE MARINE CORPS. I’M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. I WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO DEFEND THIS COUNTRY!! DO YOU BLEEDING HEARTS BELIEVE THAT THESE PEOPLE WOULD DO THE SAME?? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT. SO STFU ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE RIGHTS!!