I Hope You’re Ready: “The Sell-Off Today Is The Start. Not the End.”

by | Feb 25, 2013 | Headline News, Karl Denninger | 407 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    They’d have us believe that happy days are here again. And, if your only source of information for economic news is the mainstream media and their talking heads, then in all likelihood you’ve bought into the hype about an economy on the rebound, consumers being more confident, housing prices in recovery and a government that’s soon to resolve America’s fiscal woes.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. We are very rapidly approaching a situation that could be much, much worse than what we experienced in 2008.

    Remember, in 2008 then Secretary of the Treasury Hank Paulson warned that we were literally on the brink of collapse and Congressional representatives were told that the situation was so serious that should the economy, financial markets and the US dollar crash, it would lead to riots and the need for martial law.

    We’re not making this up – see for yourself:

    One non-mainstream economist who has been warning of the coming disaster since the last disaster is Market Ticker’s Karl Denninger. He uses something called basic mathematics (with a healthy mix of advanced analysis) to come to his conclusions, and prior to the massive collapse of October/November 2008, Denninger sounded the alarm when he spotted numerous data points, including central bank manipulation in credit markets, suggesting that a massive crash was coming.

    Two weeks later markets around the world fell apart.

    Over the last several years Denninger has continued to warn Americans about the fiscal crisis, unsustainable debt levels and wealth destruction.

    The prescient analyst and commentator is once again sounding the alarm:

    Bernanke’s machinations and other games “gave” the Congress four years to do the right thing.  They didn’t, because that same “gift” also destroyed all market signals of urgency.

    As such you have people like Krugman and others claiming that it’s all ok and that we can spend with wild abandon, taking our fiscal medicine never.

    They were wrong.  Congress was wrong.  The Republicans were wrong, the Democrats were wrong, and the Administration was wrong.

    Congress is out of time; as I noted the deficit spending must stop now, irrespective of the fact that it will cause significant economic damage.

    We will survive it if we do it now.

    Time’s up; we either have serious people who will take serious actions right now or we’re going to find out what a real “discontinuity” looks like.

    I promise that you won’t like it.

    The sell-off today is the start.  Not the end. 

    And it’s also the end of the rope for our Congress, if they don’t get off their butts, which I do not expect them to do.

    Therefore, I hope you’re ready.

    I bet you’re not.

    Source: Market Ticker ; Market Ticker 2

    If we were on the brink in 2008, and we spent the last five years injecting TRILLIONS of dollars into the system, why are we once again at the cusp of another crash?

    Because they fixed nothing.

    In fact, they made it worse.

    Back in 1930 Americans thought they were out of the woods and that the economy and financial markets had recovered.

    They were dancing, drinking and spending like nothing was wrong; as if the crash had been nothing more than a short-term blip.

    Congress was being warned about the possibility of tanks in the streets in 2008. All of  the economic, financial and monetary policy measures implemented by the government and the Federal Reserve since then have failed.

    Should we be worried?

    The short answer is ‘Yes’.

    This is going to happen. And this time people should be terrified of the consequences.

    Most don’t even have a clue what’s coming.


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      1. Yeah, this could be the big slide. Eurozone a crumbling joke, the “Sequester” scam, QE failing in the real world, worhtless dollars everywhere and China, Russia and India kicking back with stacks of hard assets. Time will tell, and I think it is about to tell soon.

        • Relax! BEN will save us. After all he’s an expert on depressions caused by the Fed. And we all trust him, right? And; now will all the ladies click their heals together and say: “Ben will save us, Ben will save us” For the rest: Get your silver bullets ready,the wolves are coming

          • Oh, yeah, I trust Ben. (…about as much as I trust a prostitute with my wallet. Hmmm. Lots of parallels there!)

            The fact is, there is nothing they can do to stop whats coming. The money junkies (a Gerald Celente term) cannot stop their theft. As such, they cannot stop the complete blow up. It is imploding because of their theft. The implosion will stop their theft. Its an equilibrium thing. They’ve been propping it up the tunnel so they can steal more. But, they’re out of timbers and the tunnel is about ot collapse, trapping us all inside. “Inside” refers to the “easy life” that most Americans and others around the world live. We actually have to go back to creating and adding something.

            Way to much emphasis has been placed on worthless activity. They call it entertainment. It ads nothing to this world but it does use up resources. It, therefore, robs us of value while returning nothing. So much of the world has been build upon this. There must be a re-alignment.

            …and, its coming.

            The greatest asset a man has is that he enjoys his work and that his work helps keep others supplied with one of the 5 basic needs:


            If what you’re doing doesn’t serve one of the above functions, you’re a drain on society. Endeavors of entertainment and greed subtract from the 5 basic needs. This is what is happening to our world. It is falling apart because entertainment and greed have been elevated above their true positions. We have, effectively, “lost our way”.

            …or at least some have. But, be prepared! You are about to witness a time of re-orientation! It will be painful, but, to those of us that understand, VERY fulfilling.

            I welcome the coming changes with open arms.


            • Oh, and, remember:

              “All Wars Are Bankers Wars”

              Google it. Watch it. Understand Greed.

              • And, or course, our war is a war AGAINST the bankers. All we have to do is start fighting it.

                • for we wrestle not against flesh and blood… the point of God saying this is, we can physically war anyone or any worldy entity but it will only repeat because the true nature and real truth of the world. its not in flesh and blood so much but the principalities and spiritual wickeness and so on. its not just in high places, although “leaders” usually have more influence, it is in all of us. we cannot save ourselves and cannot stop this physically and for arguements sake say we did go to war with bankers and corrupt govt directly, it would only eventually repeat and happen again. one way, one truth and one way to life alone. Jesus.

                  • A jaw-dropping fact about Obama’s nominee for Treasury Secretary

                    “Jack Lew is the nominee for Treasury secretary whose own bonus as an investment banker was bailed out by the Treasury Department when it rescued Citigroup Inc. (C) in 2008. He owes much to America’s taxpayers. He should also be grateful to Citigroup for agreeing to let him rejoin the government without suffering much for it financially.

                    An intriguing revelation from Lew’s Senate confirmation hearing last week was that he stood to be paid handsomely by Citigroup if he left the company for a top U.S. government job, under his 2006 employment agreement with the bank.

                    The wording of the pay provisions made it seem, at least to me, as if Citigroup might have agreed to pay Lew some sort of a bounty to seek out, and be appointed to, such a position.”

                    “Lew’s employment agreement with Citigroup said his “guaranteed incentive and retention award” wouldn’t be paid if he quit his job, with limited exceptions. One was if he left Citigroup “as a result of your acceptance of a full-time high level position with the United States government or regulatory body.”

                    “A similar provision concerned his stock-based compensation. If Lew left in 2008 or afterward to accept a high-level U.S. government position, all of his outstanding equity awards, including restricted stock, would vest immediately…”

                    “Now he’s up for Treasury secretary, where he would play a critical role in overseeing the U.S.’s financial industry and rescuing it should another crisis ensue. Citigroup couldn’t have planned this better if it tried, which raises the natural question: Did it try?”

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                • Iceland recently got rid of their bankers…we should be so lucky or smart.

                  • Iceland is also an EXTREMELY socialist, EXTREMELY urban, EXTREMELY cold country. They made a good move in spanking the bankers down, but you don’t want to be like Iceland.

                  • Not all bankers are bad…sure, some are terrible and should be jailed. But, it’s the deficit spending and uninhibited quest for ‘power‘ and ‘control which is the truly evil works at play today.

            • Yes I agree that changes will be here very soon, only someone with their head well in the sand would disagree. Like your comment,”I welcome the changes with open arms”, question is; are you going to survive the change ?, because not everybody will.
              Good luck

              • you make an important point. Change is definetly coming, but not all will survive. The changes coming will be much more extensive, and more far reaching than even preppers can imagine. There are many variables to consider, and none of them are good.

                • RE: “many variables to consider” No matter how carefully you prep, you cannot possibly be able to handle every scenario just by being well supplied.

                  Very important to be able to handle rapid critical thinking and one of you biggest assets is going to be your ability to adapt quickly to rapidly changing situations.

            • I’m up for the challenge, difficult as it may be.

              I have worked diligently for the last few years fortifying my shelter…for what that will be worth.

              I don’t have everything that I would like to have in place. When it happens, I will have exactly what I was supposed to have.

              “don’t go down without one helluva fight.”

              • I think that just being aware that collapse is coming, and just being mentally prepared for social disorder and violence is half the battle. Any extra physical preps you have put in place will be a bonus.

                The people who read this website are already miles ahead of the vast majority. I’m sure that even when violence is knocking at their door, most people will not believe it, they just won’t be able to process what’s happening.

                I’ve spent the last hour reviewing our household budget to try and find more money for more prepping. I’m feeling a real sense of urgency about it.

                • Selco, who survived the Balkan war in the 1990’s, said people could not believe anything would happen, even as they could hear artillery in the distance from thier city. They refused to believe people who had been to the coming front lines, what was happening. They continued to maintain normalcy bias, until 4am one morning when artillery rounds started impacting thier city. Then, people went into shock, unable to process what was happening. It will be like that, magnified in Amerika…

                • I’ve done what to me would have been unthinkable just a few years ago: I closed my Roth IRA and personal 401(k)…cashed them out. We aren’t going back to that world. I don’t know where we’re going but I know it won’t be there. That’s over. I encourage everyone to think about how you would feel if all that you have worked for goes up in smoke and you don’t have enough to keep your family going for any length of time. The wise man seeth danger from afar…

                  And today, if you can believe it, some jackass was making the rounds at the office talking up our deferred compensation plan. Can you believe that anyone would actually forego money NOW, turn it over to some corporate whorz during the worst financial crisis in centuries and expect to get it back with a handsome return in a few decades?

                  WHAT ARE PEOPLE ON?

            • NOT, the beginning of the big slide. You use one day of data to write a sensational headline. Look at the gains for Tuesday and today. Enough of the sky is falling.

              • In America, every bull market has ended in war. Every single one.

        • Yo Joe –

          I don’t like being ‘forced’ to admit that you are probably spot-on with regard to the question of timing. Clever folks that the PTB are; I still question their ability to keep all the balls in the air for very much longer. There are simply way too many serious events all coming to pass simultaneously for the system to be able to deal with them all effectively.

          The six new 5 gal. gas cans sit there in “Dad’s-Crazy-Closet” with the fuel stabilizer sitting right next to them. A tag tied to one of the cans gives the amount of stabilizer per 5 gal. can. I wish I could store more, but that’s the best we can do. But in a world where everyone is on a quarter of a tank; 30 gallons of gas might just make you ‘King-of-the-Rubble’.

          We are going through everything, sorting stuff out and making absolutely sure that we know where everything is. You may also wish to take what may be a “last look” at what you have set aside.

          God Bless & good luck ….. we all may need it much sooner than anyone imagines.

          • Good reminder markie. I’ve been slowly doing that but work gets in the way!

          • I have been buying more long term food items each week, for a long time. Even if I wasn’t a prepper, using dollars to buy items that rise in price on a regular basis, just makes common sense. Nothing is going to get any cheaper from here on till the end.
            Plus, anything that might be considered extra, will be consumed by all those non believing relatives that think your’re crazy——for now. I don’t think I will be able to resist an “I told you so”, when the actual collapse begins.

      2. I only need to know one thing- WHERE THEY ARE!

        • who-hoo! we’re on the express elevator to Hell! goin’ down!

          • game over man! game over

            • No, the real game may have just started.

            • McLovin and Hudson, when I read the top quote, I thought Aliens and Vasquez. Showing my age.

              I say we take off, nu.ke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.


            • @Hudson, haha, a quote from Aliens.

            • This time it’s different!

            • Well that’s just great man… that’s just really freaking great! Now what are we supposed to do?! We’re in some real pretty shit now!

              • Now? I’ve been wearing my chest waders for the last 20 years.

          • Mclovin,

            I wouldn’t be to happy just yet. They will prop it up again. They have too, they still have one very large problem. They still have not got our guns. And that is what they fear the most a crashed in the markets with all the armed people is a nightmare for them.


            • True, but I don’t give them that much credit. I am beginning to think their fiat scam is like Frankenstein’s monster. They used the carcasses of failed scams past to assemble a financial beast that may be out of their control now, or sometime in the near future. Sure, they can manipulate, lie, cheat, outright steal, but at some point, no matter what you do, you confront the inevitable law of diminishing returns.

              They want our guns before the crush things, but what if they no longer can control the timing? Just something to think about.

              • I’m thinking that if it appears that they are losing control, and they do not have their gun confiscation program set up and operating, then they will pull some kind of false -flag on a very large scale in order to bring in martial law immediately.

                I’d look for the nuking of a city (terrorism false-flag)…possible bio-terror attack…or even an EMP attack that they will attempt to blame on N. Korea or Iran.

                In any case…they will want something big so as to throw the entire nation into confusion. This would also serve to distract the public’s attention from them and cause it to refocus on whatever boogieman they create as being the ones who did it. (Remember 9/11 folks)

                I do believe that if they sense that the people are starting to wake up, they will do something of this nature to quash the uprising.

                Remember….their creed is to bring order out of chaos. They are the masters of engineered crisis in order to provide the “solution”.

                And I somewhat believe they may even have the technology (HAARP) to possibly cause earthquakes or other weather events that could contribute to the problem.

                And don’t be surprised if our Internet infrastructure suddenly “comes under attack by China”. Something along the lines of a major security breech…..something that would give them reason to shut down the Internet completely. (Only temporarily of course) And when it comes back online, access to informational sites like this will no longer be available.

                • Walt,

                  Reading my mind about the internet and a very large false flag. I think both you and Joe maybe on to something, they know we will never part with our guns so it would have to be huge just get the sheeple behind martial law. Either way it ain’t going to work I am not giving up jack shyt..
                  Market crashes so what the can keep my $27.38 I keep in the credit union.
                  Just hope my radio’s get here before then..


                • Dang Walt, You Think to much;

                  just jokin, Anyhowz: ‘they’ are already

                  doing that W/false TB Flag on the Home-
                  less in LA….

                  • I know. It makes my head hurt.

                • Another possibility, which would fall in line with the Book of Revelation, is Obama ‘miraculously’ surviving an assassination attempt – declared dead, but then somehow ‘coming back to life.’ He could then declare himself a god and demand worship. With the drones about to come online (locusts with a scorpion’s sting) and implants/IDs for everyone to buy and sell, all the pieces are in place. All that awaits is the catalyst…

                  • Anybody with a social security number has their “mark.”

                • Morning Walt,

                  Good list….well thought out.

                  The last case you posit worries me…it accomplishes too many ‘needful things’ all at once – from thier perspective that is. Stifles any info-search, cross-talk, leaves everyone at the mercy of the MSM, also any open, coordinated rejection of thier assertions. The others cases would almost have to involve actual colateral damage somehow, somehwere. the other one not neccesarily…anything can be done via the magic of media, Eh?

                  That’s the one I’ll be watching for…though not neccesarily blaming the Chinese…that tiger MIGHT bite…sorry just thinkin’ out loud here..ruminating..
                  Be back later Friends, going to check some things….


                • Joe,
                  That is the plan. Of course they couldn’t get away from it unless the Dinosaur media is an accomplice. We owe a big debt of payback to the media for electing the pretend president and then hiding what the NWO is up to. Come on now, isn’t there any interest in the media on what goes on at Bohemian Grove? Is Alez Jones the only reliable journalist in America?

                  • Alex Jones has been saying the same thing for 10 years. He says “It’s all crashing down in 3 months according to my inside sources”. Hard to take him serious anymore.

                • a good point to remember, is that the controllers always seem to tell you what they are going to do, before they do it. if they are buying bullets by the millions, they aren’t doing it for target practice, unless we, are the targets. They don’t buy millions of FEMA coffins unless they know they are going to need them. They don’t set up ‘temporary” holding facilities, unless they intend to use them. They don’t inact new executive orders curtailing basic civil liberties, unless they plan to use the power. They don’t seek to engineer GMO seeds, unless they plan to control the food supply, and get rid of useless eaters. And lastly, they don’t intend to print useless paper dollars with no end, unless they plan to reset the system.
                  Have a nice day—for now…

                • If they pull a major false-flag as a final, desperate, fascist ploy to take the last of our liberty and freedom…my prediction is…


                  NO FUCKING WAY SO HELP US GOD.

                • Walt I believe that you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Have you noticed how they are ginning up the stories about Iran and N. Korea? Again with the weapons of mass destruction. A major military conflict is the only way they can save “Their” system now without the masses finding out. Most of the trouble begins with the Fed…which is nothing more than a Private Bank handling public financial policies and standards. The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds still run our country and it’s going to take a major emergency for them to run the table on us now…so that’s just what they are going to provide. Remember….never let a good crisis go to waste…just like the Sandy Hook, Sequestration, etc. They lie to the “People” to get their own way at our expense. I say audit the Fed! Also with Germany and other countries asking for their gold back and we are giving them the answer that it will take us years before we can produce a single ounce of the gold that is rightfully theirs and has already been spent by our government. Good luck Germany and others on getting your gold back….I doubt that Germany will get their gold back period….it’s disappeared into the ether. There’s no gold in Ft. Knox anymore I would wager.

            • Don’t let your guns be yet another false Messiah. If they have a plan for your extermination, it will be difficult to stop it, guns or not. We let this get out of hand 40 years ago.

            • good point DPS. That would be like me trying my patented move on a hot girl BEFORE buying her a couple margaritas.

          • ……..piss on them traitors………!!

          • Mclovin,

            As the dollar is not hyper-inflating yet, the Federal Reserve still has plenty of room to continue debasing the dollar. Granted, when we hit that final downward spiral into hyper-inflation conditions will worsen at a geometric pace. But we’re not there just yet.

            As long as the world and Americans still have some confidence in the dollar as the world reserve currency, the Federal Reserve will keep printing money and buying most of America’s debt until the rest of the world calls it quits and dumps U.S. Treasuries. Then things will get very interesting indeed.

            • Its correct. If one prints the money, then they get the money. So, its easy money for them. They will keep on printing it and effectively stealing from working Americans until Americans find the alternative.

              Until an alternative currency arises. To date, people are still mainly trading in dollars. Can you buy from your local shop with barter? My local shops are almost all national chain stores; so, I cannot. I have to use dollars. None of them even take a local currency.

              • John_Tyndale,

                I haven’t found any local shops here in Florida that barter, although I’m sure I just haven’t found them yet. However, I have seen a number of ads from gun dealers in Texas and Montana who will sell firearms for silver or gold.

                On a recent trip to Germany a small local merchant near the hotel had a sign posted which said he accepts both German Deutsche Marks and Euros.

                The message is out there among the awakening population that unbacked fiat paper currency isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, and it’s just a matter of time until the rest of world figures it out. When they do, hang on to your seat.

                Canada recently announced it will no longer make pennies and Obama is considering a similar measure. The Powers That Be cannot have anything in circulation that holds any value what-so-ever.

                When the copper content in a penny is worth more than a $1 dollar bill, you know we are screwed beyond all recognition.

        • “These people are here to protect you. They’re soldiers.”

          “It won’t make any difference.”

          Love that movie…


          • Mal that was a great understatedly cryptic scene. Hollywood sure has lots it’s way with storytelling these daays.

      3. Don’t worry it will be back up 300 points tomorrow!!1

        • maybe so… 300 – 500 point swings wouldn’t be uncommon in a market that is totally dislocated… 2008 was an interesting example…

        • Is it not common practice, when the market starts to show it’s real value, and decline, for certain entities to artificially pump it back up?

          Here’s today’s National Debt Clock, does’nt look pretty…


      4. Fear not! Cast all your worries to The Lord. The bible says ” fear not” 365 times. One for each day. Be blessed.

        • And it doesn’t say even once, load your gun. So even you should admit it doesn’t cover every thing. You and yours can trust in the lord. Me and mine will trust in Sam Colt. I’ll see the Lord later. He’s busy enough. no point in bothering him unnecessarily

          • amen

          • Hey not to be a smart ass but take a look at the Gospel of Luke the Lord Jesus Christ does tell us to get armed with such urgency that He says you should sell your coat in order to buy a weapon. Luke 23;35 if I remember correctly dont have my Bible on me but Im sure someone else will correct me if its not that verse. But indeed Jesus did cover everything, perhaps not “load your gun” but He did say to be prepared for violence and be armed

            • Nehemiah 4 17
              Those who were rebuilding the wall and those who carried burdens took their load with one hand doing the work and the other HOLDING A WEAPON.
              18 As for the builders, each wore his sword girded at his side as he built, while the trumpeter stood near me. …
              21 So we carried on the work with half of them holding spears from dawn until the stars appeared. ….
              23 So neither I, my brothers, my servants, nor the men of the guard who followed me, none of us removed our clothes, each TOOK HIS WEAPON EVEN TO THE WATER.

              I think that should just about cover it..and us!!

          • “And it doesn’t say even once, load your gun.”
            But, He did say: “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.” Luke 22:36
            Interpret that however you want, but swords were the assault weapons of His day! Quite good for defense too.
            Also 1 Timothy 5:8 we find: “But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” which has a lot of connotations that are most likely very apropos to prepping and preparing for proper defense should the situation warrant.

            If Sam Colt lets you down for whatever might be the reason just remember He also said: “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28

            All men die, it is just a matter of when and how. In times like these, who wants to die peacefully in their sleep? I just don’t want to die on the wrong side of right, so if I gotta go like Stephen (Acts 7:60) so be it!

            “When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also. ” Revelations 6:9-11

            I have no interest in being a sheeple, i.e. as those who are deemed inordinately tolerant, or welcoming, of government intrusion and regulation. But, I do want to be one of these, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;” John 10:27 He will let me know when and if I need to pull Mr. Sam Colt and use him effectively or I need to use a different strategy. But, my trust is not in Sam Colt. Sam Colt may be made ready for the day of battle, but victory rests with the LORD.

            It is going to be interesting to see how things are going to shake out. That is an interesting ad in blue on the right column of Mac’s page entitled: “Obama’s Third Term?” An unstoppable economic force is underway right now that has nothing to do with Obama or his policies. . . He will be credited for this massive creation of wealth and will use it to push his socialist agenda. hmmm interesting. Maybe Mac could do a column on that possible scenario.

            Life has taught me to invision the worst possible case and even try to take it a few steps past that while hoping for the best. That way should the worse case start to stick up its ugly head, you’re ready to deal with it appropriately instead of being in denial. That’s a good reason to prep, cause failing to prepare is preparing to fail. And, when it is all said and done we don’t want to find out we failed.

            For such a time as this…

            • nice post and spot on about protecting ourselves and our family. war is one thing protecting oruselves is another. like the difference between killing and murder. and 5th seal is and has already been happening. try being christian in another country other than US. they are getting killed at increasing rate over the last 3-4 years and growing. Christian persecution will start happening in the US in the very near future too. take care

              • Very near future? It’s here already.

            • @Wild Goose, really good post. In Luke, Christ was speaking to His 12 Disciples. It was not a broad statement, as many on this site seem to misinterpet it to mean.
              Also what many fail to do is include that the Disciples bring forth 2 swords, which Christ calls “Enough”.

              Did Christ say that all Christians should be armed, no He did not. Also, did Christ say all should not be armed, no again. Bottom line, self defense, and defense of the defenseless is a Biblical mandate. However as I’m sure that you know, but some here may not, God’s Kingdom does not advance through violence, revolt, or revolution.

              Also, I greatly admire your use of 1st Tim. wonderful!

              • @ Last American, if Christ was only speaking to disciples the immediate question would seem to be : Are you a disciple ? I am not a church member, I dont sit on a church board, Im a disciple just what Jesus asked for not deacons not alter boys not cardinals, parishoners or popes, He said go make disciples, He made one in me and therefore the unedited word is mine in its entirity.

                • @ Boss Hog,
                  The statement was made to His 12 disciples, read it first before you comment. It is not a broad statement, but is ment to arm The 12 in their ministry. Unless you are one of His chosen 12, it does not apply, period.

                  If you are looking for a reason to be armed, hang your desire on the fact that Christ did not tell them to throw their swords away and in fact allowed them to be armed around Him.

            • It is my understanding, if Marshall Law is declared, national elections can be suspended. Depending on the timing, this could evolve into a pseudo 3rd term presidency for Obama. IMHO, this out of control administration is salivating at the mouth for that possibility.

              • Find the term “Marshal Law” anywhere in the Constitution, It was invented by the PTB for them to do as they like. F them, if they declare it for their own advantage. When they don’t have to obey the law we don’t.

              • Martial law would not be resolved in 4 years to 2016??
                I should think better of our patriots.

            • bravo–wild goose. very well put. We all do what we do. But that doesn’t have to include letting the sociopathetic leaders run us into the ground without making a stand. There is a time and place for everything, and I think with some common sense, I hope most preppers will know the right move at the right time. good luck all..

          • Paranoid, load your guns no, but Jesus told His disciples to sell they cloaks and buy a sword if they did not have one (The sword was the AR-AK of the day) so yes the Lord did in a way say lock and load!

            • lol this is what Jesus said in this place in the bible.

              35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

              Two swords are enough. There were 13 of them total including Jesus. 2 swords were enough for all of them as said by Jesus when he said ” It is Enough ”

              Now when one of those swords was used to harm someone what did Jesus say and do?

              49When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword? 50And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. 51And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him. 52Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves? 53When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

              Ah he stopped them from harming the servant further, and healed him.

          • Ezekiel 14:13-14
            “‘Son of man, if a country sins against Me by committing unfaithfulness, and I stretch out My hand against it, destroy its supply of bread, send famine against it, and cut off from it both man and beast, even though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job were in its midst, by their own righteousness they could only deliver themselves,’ declares the Lord God.”

            Think about that one, folks.

          • Guns were not around then but Jesus does advise to “sell your cloaks” to buy a sword. Pretty much a “divine” statement promoting self preservation.

        • Do not fear and do not worry does not mean do not prep. Thank the Lord that u have a open mind to what is coming and then do not fear it but go out and get some more preps

        • Part of their long term plan is to disillusion the Christians by tearing down the false messiah they created 1700 years ago. Albert Pike covered this in Morals and Dogma as part of the Third Conflict (WWIII).

          The Christ and this Jesus were never the same person. And the “Lord” or “God” they have you trusting blindly… that is their god Baal or El or Yah, one crazy, power hungry s.o.b.! Free your mind so that the real Creator may do its work. Did you really think that the actual Creator would trust our relationship to a book (bible) and men (pastors, priests, etc)?

          My appologies for the religious detour, but this trust-in-the-lord and god-is-in-control stuff is mentally hamstringing many of the decent people on the planet that might otherwise actually do what the situation calls for.

          Let the thumbs down begin as I have undoubtedly hurt someone’s be-lie-f system. I’m sorry, but we humans on this planet need to remember who we are, and right soon!

          • 25 people and counting prefer the warmth and false security of a lie more than they do the harsh reality of the truth. Just like everything with TPTB, they will get you coming or going, they really don’t care. They get their energy from harming you and that through deception, always.

      5. Let’s get on with it already

      6. What’s coming?

        • …What’s coming? The boogymen and their legions of screaming demons. They will be hissing, screeching, writhing and flapping with guns drawn and eyes blazing, spitting acid, speaking in tongues and slaying everything in their path. What’s coming? Hell, fire, brimstone, pestilence, starvation, death, destruction, horror, FEMA zombies, FBI freaks, DEA pussies, State Police, the cowards of Homeland security, TSA child molesters, gang bangers, your hungry neighbors, earthquakes, volcanoes belching hot stinking gasses and hoards of locusts, mosquitoes and hungry animals. Be prepared!!! The end is nigh!!!! Get yourself a couple bottles of Wild Turkey and a bag of good weed. Shake off your fears and sit back and enjoy the show.

          • @Roger…..WHEW ! And I was worried about the neighbors attack dog jumping the FENCE!!! Guess that’s the LEAST of my worry’s!!?? BE ALERT!

        • Honey Boo Boo!

          • Is it me or is that one fat, ugly child?

            • the acorn didn’t fall far from the tree, if you get my drift. Just more proof of genetics at work.

      7. Last Friday, Bob Beckle, on the show “the Five,”
        stated that our economy was fine. Once
        the debt got to 20 Trillion, then that would
        be cause for concern.
        He also said ‘don’t sell your campers.’
        The sequester would not happen, as a deal
        would take place at the 11th hour.
        This Friday, March 1st will be D-day.
        And, of course, its all the damn Republicans
        I am getting sick and tired of the roller
        coaster ride, and things suddenly
        ‘being saved,’ at the 11th hour.
        I hope to heck I am wrong, but someday
        they won’t be able to pull the rabbit out of
        the hat at the 11th hour.
        I hope I’m wrong. I really hope I’m wrong.

        • The economic events taking place today should really not surprise anyone. The book “When Money Dies” (sorry don’t remember author and am to lazy to go find book) is a referenced history of the events leading up to the hyperinflation of Weimar Germany. You can follow along with the events of today’s America with a little imagination and changing the names and titles of the principle actors. Our economic calamity is unfolding in near lock step with Weimar Germany’s. Only the final solution is yet to be exposed while our “republic” is preparing to confiscate citizens’ weapons. I’m afraid Fox News is just as unreliable a news source as ABC, NBC, CBS, ETC, etc. YOU have to search out the truth, bits and pieces at a time. You’re not wrong, prepare now if you haven’t already. Read about Argentina’s inflation around 2000 @ Silver Bear Cafe(?)to get an idea of what it may look like. Last, and I don’t mean to preach, stop hoping, start acting. There is light at the end of the tunnel but “THAT” light is a train. Good luck.

        • why do you hope you are wrong!?

          • Eeder

            Because War is not a Game! People die, especially your loved ones in a Civil War. I dont prep because I want to fight, I prep in case I have to.

        • Quit doing business with banks and you can exit the ride. The bankers can’t get their fix unless we provide the dope.The solution is a simple one, but we,as a society will not be inconvenienced for the time it takes to starve the beast. My mother used to yell at me while she was whipping my ass, “you brought it on yourself, boy!” In hindsight, she was not wrong one time.

      8. Most people feel there is something wrong and can’t pint point what it is. The main stream media is always putting up lies about everything being great. Just saying.. be prepared just in case.

      9. All aboarrrrrrd! HA!HA!HA!HA! –Ozzy

        • That made me LOL. 🙂

      10. Damn

      11. Rest Assured,

        “Something Wicked this way comes…”


        • “what rough beast slouches toward Bethlehem, waiting to be born?”

          Yeats, The Second Coming.

          When I first studied this poem, as a naive young English major, I didn’t really get it, and preferred some of Yeat’s more sentimental poems.

          But now I get it on a very profound level.

          Turning and turning in a widening gyre,
          The falcon cannot hear the falconer.
          Things fall apart
          The center cannot hold.
          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.

          This poem was written just after WWI, and Yeats got his answer in the 1930s, with a beast with “gaze blank and pitiless as the sun.”

          • Yo, Mama Bear…

            Yes I N D E E D, you are ‘upon’ it girl!!

            God!, but I love a MIND! 🙂


      12. I continue to prep.

        I just realized that I have more guns than underwear…
        ….time to stock up…more guns that is….

        Remain calm.
        Remain steady.
        Remain vigilant.

        Standing by….I got your six.

        Bite the big apple, don’t mind the maggots –Rolling Stones

        ….be safe….stay the course…..BA.

        • Maggots? All these years I thought it said Faggots.

          • It wasn’t a dissertation on Peter Puffers, it was just a misunderstood lyric.

        • You got my attention at the underwear part, thanks for the reminder I gotta stock up and sounds like you do too! 🙂

          • @Dee:

            Not a good idea to chafe you undercarriage….lol.

            …more cowbell…

            • fairy’s wear underware ,or is that fairy’s wear boots, anyway i never saw the need to wear a pc, of clothing under a pc. of clothing it just chokes everything up ,go commando ,and let it breath

              • Loincloth 😉

                • Kilt wearing Patriots of America unite!

                  You guys are killing me!!!

                  • Smokin,

                    I know right, like I really wanted to know who goes commando here.. Thanks ya’ll let the bad dreams begin.



          • I hope you have better luck finding ammo than people do around where I live. There is a dire shortage of anything. No problem buying weapons, mostly just ammo.

      13. In all seriousness, the stock market NEEDS a correction of at least 20%, a haircut that most of the peons can’t afford. Just like any other casino, don’t bet the rent money. All of the smug 401(k) crowd (like my coworker) who’ve been bragging about their gains (that haven’t even made up for the 2008-09 haircut) will freak out and beg .gov to save them. Enter the GRA (Guaranteed Retirement Account, which is what Social Security was supposed to be), courtesy of .gov

        • I hope they’ll feel all warm and secure with the mandatory 5% deduction from their paychecks that’s going to go along with the GRA, which may well stand for Government Robbery Again. Because of course the gov.corp only wants to see all its people prosperous.

          This will be the single biggest transfer of wealth from the people to the elites in history. Feeling feudal yet?

      14. Watched this clip again.
        Martial law? Seriously?
        Martial law? For what?
        What do they know that I
        do not know? The U.S. has
        3 days to get their act
        together. I don’t gamble,
        but I wonder what the odds
        would be about this
        Sequester actually taking
        place. Glad I gassed the
        vehicle tonight. Tomorrow,
        more preps.

        • Emily,

          That clip is from 2008 I wouldn’t panic just yet.


        • Emily, do i sense a traitor? a troll?

        • Emily, This is all a big scam,Do not worry just yet!!! The federal reserve spends 85 billion a month on toxic mortgage’s and other toxic garbage investments.This is no more than scare tactic,To manipulate your fear.
          On a different note,you mentioned about always being saved in the 11th hour? saved from who and what?. Ask yourself what are we being saved from? It is usually and always is a manufactured crises.

      15. Gimme Shelter
        (M. Jagger/K. Richards)

        Oh, a storm is threat’ning
        My very life today
        If I don’t get some shelter
        Oh yeah, I’m gonna fade away

        War, children, it’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away
        War, children, it’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away

        Ooh, see the fire is sweepin’ our very street today
        Burns like a red coal carpet, mad bull lost its way

        War, children, it’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away
        War, children, it’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away

        Rape, murder!
        It’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away

        Rape, murder!
        It’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away

        Rape, murder!
        It’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away

        The floods is threat’ning my very life today
        Gimme, gimme shelter, or I’m gonna fade away

        War, children, it’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away
        It’s just a shot away
        I tell you love, sister, it’s just a kiss away
        It’s just a kiss away
        It’s just a kiss away
        It’s just a kiss away
        It’s just a kiss away
        Kiss away, kiss away

        …”you remember what I taught you…aim small, miss small. Boys…..steady.” –Patriots.

        “I didn’t start this, but I mean to see it through.” –The Shooter.

        …I’ll see you on the beach…BA.

        • “It’s like Afghanistan. They’ll never stop.”

        • @ BA,

          GREAT song DUDE!!!

          Thinkin’ bout it, smybe this’ll be what I’ve got on the BLASTER at 165 dB when ‘THEY’ come, ridin’ in the back of the 4-wheel drive, locked and loaded…might be a GREAT way to go OUT. Muchos Gracias Friend, puurfect timing…


          • @JOG:
            HELL YEAH !!!!!

            ….or Immigrant Song by Zep….BA.

        • Thank goodness BA you posted that. I never could understand the words Mick was singing.

          Truth be known, what happened yesterday was only due to jitters over Berlusconi coming up in the Italian polls. Now that being said, if during the middle of trading one day they have to hit the “breakers” to stop a huge sell off/slide, then we got some cause to fret. Anything else is just normal activity in the Dow world.

          What’s in my wallet? It ain’t pixie dust………..

        • …and Obama replies with,”Please allow me to introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste….”

      16. Greetings Everyone!
        Got your towel yet???
        Hope so!
        The Sheeple are about to get the shearing of their lives!!!
        U R gonna need it(The towel)and a whole LOT more real soon….
        (If you don’t know the quote,it’s from Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy)
        Hope the best to All here,no matter how “fracked” things get…..

        • perfect analogy yes I have my towel but we need to get to the pub ASAP thumb up for the Hitchikers Guide reference

        • DON’T PANIC!!


          The weak shall perish.

      17. Well I’m no banker, but looking at the asia markets just now it sure doesn’t look good. But you never know what will happen until it happens.. No matter where you go there you are..


      18. Please forgive me for the repost here:

        You know, what is soon to happen in our country, reminds me of Gordon Lightfoot’s song The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

        Here is the part I feel is fitting to what is going on now.
        When supper time came the old cook came on deck;

        Saying “Fellas, it’s too rough to feed ya”; At 7pm a main hatchway caved in; He said “Fellas, it’s been good to know ya”.

        It looks like we are approaching 7pm.

        ‘Fellas, it’s been good to know ya!


      19. I’m off to do a very large shopping trip tomorrow. If anyone asks, I have company coming. 14 family members, they eat a lot of food in a weeks time! 😉

        • “It’s amazing how fast the world can go from bad to total shit storm.”


          • DOUBLE TAP!!!

        • 14! It’s almost time to tell each of them to bring a bucket to pass. If shtf tomorrow they’ll clean you out quick.
          molon labe

        • I finally in all these harsh months find an advantage in not having friends, neighbors, and family.
          I don’t have to explain ‘anything’ about my preps!!

        • Good OpSec, JL…

          I’m worried about a neighbor I used to share a six pack or 4 with… He don’t seem to know how to stop and now it is causing loose lips…

          FYI, I’m still reading Odd Questioner’s book on “Beyond Colapse” and it recommends distance from alcoholics. Great book so far!

          If you haven’t read it, you should…

          • And thanks Mac for promoting it here a while ago on your site!

          • CL, I did tell too much a while back, but have distanced myself from that neighbor that refused to prep—not seen in over a year.
            Good riddance??

      20. The sequester is a joke – 89 billion – only 10% cut in the deficit about a 2% slow down in growth of .Gov spending.

        What happens when they cut the other 900 billion to stop borrowing money. There is still a 16+ trillion dollar debt to pay.

        This is just the beginning and a very small beginning at that.

        You guys talk about .Gov fixing the sequester. THEY CANT FIX IT – THEY CAN ONLY CONTINUE BORROWING.

        You guys better prepare for it – cause 2+2 still equals 4 !! Figures dont lye but liers can figure.

        Its gonna happen now with this minor baby step and continue on to much larger giant steps.

        Thank .Gov for allowing it all

        Hows that “hope and change” working for ya now !!

        • hope + change = despair

          seems that math works everywhere…

        • Big things have small begginings

        • Keep the change, ya filthy animal!

      21. We all know that the economy is on a downward trend. Each of us will have our own “Come to Jesus” moment one day. At that time all bets are off. What we were able to prep is what we will have to work with.

        I will continue to prep as best as I can. I wish all of you a safe journey through the next year.

        God bless and keep on prepping.

      22. A prepping we will go
        A prepping we will go
        High/low the gas still flows
        A prepping we will go

      23. Yeah, tho I walk Even in Detroit, My Browning and my Colt do comfort me, My Bullet Proof Vest and my PM’S Do too. I shall fear no evil, a good man has my 6, Let the bastards come.

      24. They’ll do everything in their power not to let the crash happen until after they’ve got gun control in place.

        • Well being as we aren’t giving up our guns, they’re in for a big surprise, aren’t they?

          • I’d say they’re in for millions of surprises. Then their fiat money can become lead-backed.

          • @WK, yeah their own Hurt Locker!

        • Let the mice vote to bell the cat. We will see what the cat thinks.

        • they will never have all guns under control, as a law abiding person, i will be come an outlaw when they out law guns, and im dam sure not alone in that thinking

          • nope, I will be one too. should of had kids but have about a year or two left not my age but fiance for 5 years, im a wildcard and will in the same boat as you VRF

            • Aww dont hold back fellas…come on over to the dark side where rebels and outlaws are the norm…its really good over here in the boogieman land where liberty is the law and where marxists fear to tread…come on…you know you want to….. 😉

              • Man oh man, I wish I took the blue pill…

        • Ain’t gonna happen.

          • OOps–that was for Lady.


      25. Another way to preserve green beans for long term use is to dry them.
        They can be strung up on twine and hung in a hot place (like your attic)
        to dry. Then put them in a brown paper bag and seal them. They will keep
        a LONGGGGG time that way. To prepare, string and cook as usual.


        • We call them leather britches in these parts. My dad makes me string him up some every year.


      27. As I look at old and new charts of how well the economy is doing, it sure does seem like eveything is pointing to March bringing about historic economic woes not only for us, but prettyu much the rest of the world. You know they will blame it on this Sequester B.S.!!! No matter how they spin it, nothing is getting better out there.
        Be sure to know who you can trust when TWAWKI goes bye-bye….

        B Aware, B Awake, B Alive
        All in these trying times

      28. Wonder if I should have a yard sale tomorrow?

        • Don’t sell your yard. How the fuck will you get to your house?

          • Never been able to buy a garage at one of those sales, either.

            • That’s funny Bob and Grippentrog!

          • I came home late one night, it was the next night. I accidentally put my car key in the house door, and it started up. So I drove around, then parked in the median of the highway and yelled at everyone else to get the hell out of my yard! (Vintage Steven Wright)

      29. The “elite” have had this planned probaby before their illegal FED in 1913. I still don’t get how they think they will survive this. We have the numbers. Even if they get the Chinese and Russians to come in, maybe they won’t like the bankers either?

        • They have 46 million dollar bunkers , paid for by the taxpayer. I have plywood and DIY body armor. Ca’nt keep out all the bugs.

      30. porch — check

        rocking chair — check

        banjo — you betcha

        di da dee da di da di da deeeeee

        …be safe….BA.

        • Loaded shotgun?,,,..check

          • Precious metal, pour hot into 00 buckshot gang mold. Primer, powder, wad in ubiguitous 12 gauge hulls. Watch your investment grow.

            Semper Fi

      31. M. S.

        The service you provide all of us is invaluable and I would like to say thank you incase the comms get cut off. I’ve read your articles/viewer posts for about 6 months now and rarely have commented. Keep fighting the good fight.

        Their is a company called Optics Planet and they sell a combat boot called “Warrior Wear”. It’s a Blackhawk brand. This boot is hardcore for most environments. This company has the best price I’ve ever found regarding this item.

        Take care all

        • I’m a Private Contractor working in Afghanistan, before that I was working in Iraq. Converse (basketball sneaker company) makes a line of side zipper front lace desert tan combat boots model C8894 has hard composite toes, protect your toes from bad people trying to stop your toes for whatever reason, and they also have non-hard toe model. They are the most comfortable combat boot I have ever worn…I wear them when ever I go back to CONUS as well, and they are very reasonable…the pair I have on right now 19:52 hrs.26 February 2013 Zabul Province Afghanistan have over one years HARD wear on them walking miles and miles every day….I bet my life on them every day over here…

          • I also endorse the converse boots… I’m over in Herat and have been wearing the same pair going on 2 years in the Stan…

            • Hey brother I was in Camp Stone when it was Camp Victory, Doc Stone was in my unit in 06 when he was killed in Sangin. Stay safe and get home. Hooah!

      32. I’ve been saying this for months and months…everything is coming to a head and it will come when we are, as a nation, as fractured as we have ever been. Gun control and the sequestor :they know what is coming and they also know there is no other way to stop the bleeding but to continue raising our taxes to pay the bill they have been passing down the road for years…do you think they have anything good to gain by allowing the people to have the ability to say…no? Do your best to prepare for your family and loved ones. Good luck to all of you

        • You are kidding right? BO has done more to unite this country than anyone since King George III. I used to feel that I was a lone lunatic, now it’s frightening there are more like me. Argh!

      33. Mac, thank you for all you have given us. To all the posters here, thanks for the Intel, insights, advice, and humor. God bless us, one and all. And God bless the United States of America.

        • @PP:

          thx Spidey

          NOMI ……BA.

      34. Do ye hear the roll of the Muster Drum
        Rattlin’ in your brain?
        Can ye hear the tramp of Redcoat files
        Comin’ up your lane?
        Rifle and horn and hawk ye have.
        Will ye join us in The Fight?
        Then find a tree or wall, Good Friend,
        And mark well your bright front sight!

        For they’re comin’, Lad, they’re comin’ fast,
        Their bayonets agleam.
        And maybe we can’t stop ‘em here
        And maybe they’ll cross your stream,
        To burn your house and barn, my lad,
        Put your family out in the night!
        Then find a tree or wall, Good Friend,
        And mark well your bright front sight!

        Continue reading…

        Tempus fugit.

        • Pale Rider:
          Much Appreceiated Sir

      35. For unknown reasons the media and therefor most citizens think our problems are in the rear mirror. Nothing has changed including the euro zone, the debt both government and personal, the health of the banking system etc have not changed. Most people just quit hearing about the issues. Americans are concerned about sports, reality tv, who won on several contest shows and distractions that politicians feign in order to have us look the other way. They point to the housing market getting better as proof we are emerging. The housing market is gamed by shadow inventory and lack of inventory. If the rates were not suppressed and the delinquent loans called we would have a clear dismal picture of our lot. Things are disturbing and have not improved. We are in deep trouble and people have their heads buried. People need to get ready.

        • The house next to mine has been sitting empty for basically three years. How’s THAT for shadow inventory? I hear that sometimes the banksters don’t foreclose and take posession in order to avoid property taxes, HOA fees, etc and leave the former homeowner on the hook for these. I have heard that if you are going to walk away, you should file a Quit Claim Deed with the county. May be worth looking into.

          • We were lucky to get our very nice house sold 3 years ago. Told the dh at that time that government will never cut spending and that taxes on everyone would go up, whether through inflation or just plain increases. We sold, bought a cheap, old house in the country and have NEVER looked back. No regrets, just totally grateful we could cut our expenses and get prepped as much as possible. Other houses in our old neighborhood are sitting empty or have been foreclosed on.

          • try not walking away and just keep paying your property taxes.

            • Try not walking away and fuck the property taxes !

              • could try that too! local municipalities tend to be hotter to collect what they consider whats theres as opposed to the bank. more resources locally to do something about it too. but hey, i have no problem with telling them to go fuck them sleves as well!

          • Bob, the reason that house is sitting empty is because it belongs now to Fannie Mae or Freddi Mac (HUD). They were the Federal entity that insured the no doc – no down – no verification loan that the bank made. They had to pay the original lender 95% or more of the loan.

            They cannot start selling off the 1 or 2.9 million foreclosures they own with out crashing the existing equities in the houses around you. I could go on but it is boring and repetitive. But that is the upshot.

        • the media isnt fooling many any more, they may “think” its behind us, but they “know” thats not the truth, and they are not reporting the truth..therfore they have become complicite and useless to base any future or today on..

      36. Max Keiser recently went out on a limb and predicted the collapse for the tail half of April, after tax day this year… and I tend to believe it. We’re already in full-tilt currency wars and trade wars, which classically always led to hot wars.
        The only reason the DOW is hovering at 14,000 is because all those big companies already laid off all the people they could and still work… so they could give those “savings” to the stockholders. That is not sustainable because it is not based on performance. The whole thing is about to come crashing down.
        The reason our prostitute politicians are going for the gun grab is they are afraid of the aftermath of the crash. Most of their hidey-holes have already been done away with. Remember that “earth quake” that hit DC a couple years back? It wasn’t an earth quake. It removed their east coast hideout.

        • File for extension(s) and starve the bastards.

          • You will start accruing penalties and interest on the “owed” amount and the amount “owed” will start to grow rapidly.

            The extension does not apply to your taxes “owed” but only to your 1040 filing. The extension is supposed to be accompanied with the estimated shortfall for your “owed” taxes. A wrong estimate will cost you extra if the IRS feels they were under-paid.

        • @ Revsuzanne,

          “Prostitute Politicians’….Best description I’ve heard yet, Thanks…one I’ll remember.


          • …seems to me they are PIMPS trying to PROSTITUTE us…just feels that way anyhow 🙁

        • But completion of those underground bunkers at the White House are for who?


        Indeed JOG and all of the rest of you would be missed as well. All I am saying is that it goes down hill from here on out. Obama will start a two week campaign across the country next week to win support for more taxes and blame the Republicans for the bill he signed into law himself. The republicans will do….uh.. nothing because that is what they have been doing.

        So the sequestration will go into effect on Friday. Then on the 1st of April the government will be out of money because of no budget. Another boondogle. Then on the 1st of May there is something else. There really is, I just can’t remember it as I am sitting here.

        Point being why are these “people” getting paid? They are not doing anything but passing laws to take away our rights. A bill is being considered at this moment to suspend or alter our rights regarding search and siezure.

        It would appear that all the finacial fiasco’s are just smoke and mirrors to cover the real issues that revolve around our rights. It is a double win because when the financial system falls apart to the point where everyone is seeing it they can say well we have been warning you.

        Friggin carzy struff. You all heard about the UK being downgraded over the weekend by Moddy’s. The Italian Prime Minister is talking about bursting the bond bubble that has been growing because interest rates have been better than any returns on the markets.

        France is dust. If not for the infusion of American dollars into the European banks the French banks would have had to declare themselves insolvent. They are having a run on the banks and have limited the amount you can withdraw on a day by day basis.

        Anybody else read Survivors. See the spooky correlation?

        Top it all off with a U.S. Media who is not reporting any of this. Hold on to your hats as it is getting ugly.


        • to BB

          Haven’t read Survivors, but I keep asking myself “how did we get in this mess” and then “how do we get out of it” and more importantly for those of us that are still vertical “how do we stop this nonsense from happening again”.

          • How we got into this was the invention out of thin air The Federal Reserve in the early 1900’s at a place called Jekyell Island. This is where we, our Washington DC politicians, gave up control of our financial system to the major banks to the world. All it took was one Senator and the major world banks. Good reading. Google it.

            As to stopping it. I don’t know. I just want to survive the situation. I expect I will not live long enough to see the end of this collapse. It will last a long time and the ramifications will change the entire worlds structure.

          • Easy—money out is > money coming in???

            Basic Household 101 at my house; and it is always unfeasible.
            Note to CONGRESS.

        • Howdy BigB,

          Great job Bro…couldn’t have done any better if I TRIED, excellent analysis. Get ready to DUCK and COVER, if it happens it will likely take off like a shot. It might look like it’s going slowly, but David Korowicx paper “Tradeoff.pdf” on the web would suggest that it will get suddenly very bad, VERY quick. The finacial system is designed to be centered moment-to moment by positve feedback, the moment it encounters negative feedback, WHILE there is an air of panic the system will drive off equilibrium so fast it will make your head spin. Further, under that continued influnce and under that circumstance it would likely accelerate at a geometric rate…2-4-8-16-32-64, you get the picture.

          No part of the finacial system is DESIGNED to be safeguarded, protected under that influnce, all the models PRESUME positve feedback corrector implulses, therefor if they think that this is a good idea they will shortly find that thier MODELS do NOT work and “POOF” up it goes – even while they are trying to do something they think will fix it…which will itself ONLY accelarate it further. But they’tre the fookin’ finacial wizrds aren’t they? Thier hubris will get us ALL killed if they tinker with this any. Where will it end?

          Take care B, I think WELL of ya Brother…I’m treating each time I’m here as if it might be the last, good luck, watch your six’ like a hawk! Adios mi Amigo.


          • You know JOG, I think the internet will be one of the last standing grids up. I would even go so far as to say that all communications will be the last to go. TPTB need some way to communicate / instruct us on what behaviour modifications they expect from us. But I agree we should treat every post as if it may be our last. Besides, that should be the norm for all of us anyway. Have a nice day, all of you.

      38. As never before since World War II, America faces one of her darkest hours as the storm clouds gather from a myriad of sources intent on destroying the notion of a free, constitutional Republic.
        David Codrea


        • eeder: You know what is so funny, way back when in the NAM there were a lot of guys just like you, found after a fire fight that had been shot in the back of the head. Funny isn’t it!

      39. I love all you losers!
        hahahaa….what, you have your bullets and your gold tucked under your mattress?
        yeah, yeah, I know, I’ll be sorry when the CRISIS hits.
        you all need to stop making excuses for your OWN failures and admit that YOU are the reason you suck, not everyone else! hahahaha…I love this site…always a good laugh!

        • Unless your very well trained in the field, you can suck my cock. If you are highly trained, then come get it.

        • Hey, Jackson, I stopped counting preps and supplies at 6 years, as most here have…and we’re the losers??
          Look up the meaning.

      40. And moderate my ass! I couldn’t care less! I’ll post this on my own site and NOT tell MY readers where to find this crap!

        • BOOT LICKER,go lick your ass and the boots of the scum corrupt Gov..Nobody asked you to read these comments.

      41. Well Everyone and especially Mac, Thankyou. This site has been a bastion of hope in the madness of todays media lies. So if it all gets shut down over next weekend I want you all to know how much I appreciate all of your comments even the ones I totaly dissagree with, I look forward to reading all the comments. Its become part of my day.
        The tone seems a little somber in here today, perhaps its justified, Im actually feeling pretty positive myself and Im ready for spring planting. Im ready to build that bridge over the brooke on my BOL. Im stepping it up into high gear regardless of what the asshats decide to do in DC.
        We all know its comming, we should be as ready for it by now as one can be. It’d be nice one day to wake up in a free America, and that is gonna be a tall order, painfull, expensive and full of sorrows. Its what we all want and prep for, so , now what? Let them crash the ecconomy let the whole system be turned upside down and let the chips fall where they may.
        Lets just hope that there are enough of us left standing when the smoke clears. We are gonna need the can-do spirit you guys show daily. I guess what I’m trying to say is dont worry so much, this time next week you and I and all our fam and friends could be dead or in some FEMA camp.
        In the words of Crazy Horse “Its a good day to die” I’ve begun to adapt that as my personal mantra, I know its trite and cliche but the way I figure it, me comming out the SHTF alive is prolly not a good bet. Thats something Ive learned to live with and accept. A loud mouth, gun totin, bible thumpin veteran, yeah thats me. This govt just loves my kind and Im under no illusion that they would have no problem using one or two of their 40cal bullets on me, especially since they have a gazillion on hand. They take your rights and your money do not hand over your Spirit, that would be a tradgedy.

        • Well said.

      42. you people are crazy go back to your depressing lives waiting around for your unemployment check to come and the world to end!

        you just want the economy to collapse and other people to suffer because your own life sucks. whats the matter takeout a loan for a house you couldn’t afford six years ago and drowned yourself in debt? now whos fault is that?

        us smart hardworking individuals living debt free are what will be keeping the us economy a float for a very long time.

        by the time all you ignorant religious nutjobs actually realize this i will probably be seeing you on CNN with a gun holding innocent people hostage giving the government even more of a reason to push for gun control!

        • The academy would like to inform you that your post rated 4 snores.

          You clearly dont know your ass from a hole in the wall. We drowned ourselves in debt? huh? Read the comments douche. YOu’re likely to see in every story a comment to the effect – STAY OUT OF DEBT.

          Yea, religious nutjobs with guns in our hands. Uh huh. 99% of the violence you read about is from the left. Yea, tell us abut all that Tea Party violence. I mean the real violence that isnt cooked up left-wing revisionist fantasy.

          Yea, really it’s nutbags like you that get all frothed up by your masters to DO SOMETHING NOW. Run along now, I hear George Soros calling.

        • I am not a religious nut job! I’m agnostic. If God wants my help, all he has to do is ask. Otherwise I’ll take the world as it is and do my best with it.

      43. Mcdoper I hope you live in the middle of a city when the SHTF

      44. “You can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him” — Robert Heinlein

      45. YO MAC!!!



      46. Just waiting to watch the front wave of the boomers to die off.

        • What’s up doc: If it weren’t for a pair (thats MALE AND FEMALE for you) of BABY BOOMERS, I dare say you wounld not be here! They must be very proud of you.

        • Wait for Obamacare to be fully implemented.

      47. Nina my friend, you have hit the end of the road. you are exposed. why dont you come out of your rat hole.

      48. I hear the Thunder…a storm is comin! Porch Dog Revival band.

      49. Mac prints this crap and you suckers just eat it up.

        • And yet, here you are.

        • Oh, poop—the truth is out.
          Mac is behind this entire NWO, economic collapse, end of the dollar, TPTB takeover thingy.
          Fess up!!

      50. @Dps ~ Thanks Dps, I did not catch
        that clip was 2008. I was a little tired
        last evening.

      51. We can all “feel” that things just don’t make sense.

        There is an old saying that govt gets more of what it subsidizes, and less of what it taxes.

        What gets subsidized? Laziness, out-of-wedlock births, inefficient energy businesses, wildly speculative investment vehicles, inefficient agricultural activity, any entity that pays off the politicians.

        What gets taxed? Work, savings, petroleum based energy production, manufacturing, profitable agricultural activity, anything the government does not like (that doesn’t pay off the politicians).

        The activities this government rewards subtract from economic output The things this government punishes are exactly what the ecomony needs to once again be strong.

        We know this is immoral, that it is wrong in every sense of the word, and we know it cannot go on. We don’t need a PhD in Economics to know this does not make sense. Is March the month? Nobody knows. We do know, however, that this cannot go on indefinitely. Our inner sense of what is right and wrong tells us that there will be a consequence for this foolishness. Our job is to be in the best position possible to care for those who we are responsible for. That is all we have control over.

      52. They will float the markets back up if they strike a miracle last minute deal on the sequester.

        I hope they won’t.

      53. The biggest problem is that the Fed is destroying the dollar. If all we had was an economic crash we could recover from that.

      54. Nobody can be ready for what’s comin’…

        …but you sure as hell can be unprepared.

        LORD have mercy on their souls, for they know not what “they” do.

        • Note: Its unlikely that all you might come up against will be carrying .556 cal weapons. Those holes that came through the concrete wall after the shooter moved away were definitely .30 cal or larger. Just food for thought…….

          • ahh,shoot and scoot isnt just a suggestion….its a requirement…this guy almost paid for breaking the rule…

            • If you’re not shooting, you should be loading; if you’re not loading, you should be moving.

      55. I just sent off for a solar array with a battery pack and inverter. It should arrive in the next couple days. Time is short. Get supplies while you can. I hate that we’re being kept on the edge all the time, but in a way it’s better than not having a clue.

        • Scout, I hope you purchased a good charge controller. All the charge controllers under $30.00 are junk. They will eventually boil your batteries(personal experience). You want Monocyrstalline solar panels and deep cycle batteries(Golf Cart, AGM, or Marine DC). Car batteries will not last. These are the companies that I have landed on for small off grid solar systems. Morningstar – Charge Controllers, Interstate Batteries(cause they are local) – Golf Cart & Marine DC, Solar Panels – Amazon’s Instapark 15 n 30 watt & Home Depot’s 100 watt panels are well made.

          EMP event has led me to get a extra Charge Controller and Solar Panel and hide them in my metal cage. Batteries would most likely survive as long as they are not connected to anything.

          • I spent hundreds, so I’m hoping for something higher caliber than offered by say, Harbor Freight. I’ve seen what 30-dollar junk looks like, and it’s less than appealing. This is a power kit from Survival Warehouse. I’ve been mulling it over for some time, and as of late felt motivated to go for it.

          • Shootit–I bought a charger for my car battery for little things in a short term power failure. Internet, heater, etc.
            What are you saying?
            I also read a post on a prepper blog–the girl said she wasn’t gonna use her car battery with her charger??
            Explain to the girl with no idea what she’s doing?? ME!!

            • JayJay,

              You can charge car batteries with solar. Car batteries are built different than Deep Cycle batteries and do not hold up well to deep discharges. Their lead plates are thin, DC batteries have thicker lead plates and will hold up much better. I am not sure you want all the physics behind the physics. Here is a short example. A good 12 volt battery at rest with no load should be between 12.6 and 12.9 volts. When you use a battery the voltage will drop. Car batteries can be safely used to about 12 volts. If you run them down farther than that you can damage them. DC batteries can with stand voltage drops to 11.2 volts with out causing damage. Thus a DC will give you more useable energy before the sun comes up.

              In closing I would not use your car battery for “little things in a short term power failure. Internet, heater, etc.” The only thing maybe to charge your phone. I would invest in a Deep Cycle battery. Today I bought another “Blem” DC Marine 27 series battery from Interstate Battery for $47.50. A new one would be closer to $120.00. If you want to keep the battery in the house I would get a AGM style battery. That may be closer to $200.00.

              I am always happy to try and help.

              • I passed on the solar generator–couldn’t get verified info–$6000 for a good one and the one on sale, $1700, didn’t have good consumer service for my questions.

                I’m a girl–not electronic minded at all–and dh has dementia, and another appt tomorrow @ VA for stroke he had the 12th.

                I’m sorta on my own here.

                I already have 60 gallons of gas stored in the shed(locked)for the generator.
                I don’t use a cell now(stays in the drawer), don’t think I’d need it with a collapse. Internet, another story.

                AGM style battery?? Will check that out for use with my charger from Best Buy.
                Thanks…very much.

        • I’m looking into going solar, probably a bit behind the curve at this point but am interested in what you all have to say… There is so much information and the pre-made systems appear to be overpriced. Or is that just my perception? ANY advice is appreciated! thanks…

          • You need to first work the equation backwards.
            1st How many watts do I need and for how long?
            2nd How much sun is available at this location?
            3rd Stand alone or grid-tied system?
            Answer those questions and it will point you to the equipment and ultimately the cost.

            I hope this helps. Feel free to ask questions.

            • Ideally I would say take the house off of the grid entirely… house is located in the SE USA w/ unobscured sky.

              • Desert Rat,

                You need a professional to come take a look. How are you going to heat your water? What are you plans for AC? What do you do for heat? Solar electric will not solve those questions. To run the normal electric stuff in a 2000 square foot house may cost $15,000 – $30,000 to keep the freezer cold, lights, TV, computer, water well, and a few other things. If you live alone you could get by with less, but factor in wife, kids, laundry, and the price goes up.

      56. I’m real. There is no guarantee someone won’t lift my username for a post, but I am as real as the Rocky Mountains.

        • im real as well except for my user name.

          • Hey Mac,how come eeder does not get a your posting to much message.???

            • I have no idea… but we’re working on moderating some of the… duplicates.

          • You are seriously off your meds today. You’re fighting your shadow and kickin your own ass.

        • Oh for all that is holy, eeder….Reboot already !!!!

      57. Greetings,
        I believe most of you are awake. That being said, I am under the impression that this situation was no accident. If Lindy back in the day ( when the monster was created) could make a comment that depressions would now all be artificially manufactured by the banking elite, where are we today. Light years past that. FDR commented that “there are no accidents in politics”. They set up the scenario’s and wait for our predictable response. There is no way around what is going to happen, everyone must go through it. What matters is how you go through, and what measure of humanity you take with you. Infighting and needless bickering among those that are trying to prepare to survive, only work to TPTB’s advantage. Divide and Conquer???? Keep prepping, and may God help us all.

        Potato out.

      58. Was it Yogi Berra who said “Predictions are difficult…especially about the future.”? 90% of media pundits and government officials have been indoctrinated into the “cause”. It pretty much turns my stomach that every time they pose for the cameras,their narrative includes the key words of “forward” or “folks” or “consumer” like they’re talking down to a crowd of bobble-headed sheep clinging to their every word. “Save me,Dear Leaders.” Corruption delegitimizes authority and they’re all corrupt.

      59. I don’t put much stock in anything Denninger says, I mean really, he supported Obama in 2007. Further, his analysis doesn’t include the Feds ability to keep on printing so they could put this off another couple months.

        We all know it’s coming, even Denninger can see that. But he can’t say “when” with any accuracy – he’s been saying this is the end for years now. And eventually he’ll be right – even a broken clock shows the right time twice a day.

      60. @ Emily.

        Hi to a fellow NY’er. Just happened to catch somones post to you last night on the previous article. Hudson Valley myself

      61. Lunatic Fringe – I know you’re out there
        You’re in hiding, and you hold your meetings
        I can hear you coming, and I know what you’re after
        We’re wise to you this time we won’t let you kill the laughter

        Lunatic Fringe – in the twilight’s last gleaming
        This is open season, but you won’t get too far
        ‘Cause you got to blame someone for your own confusion
        We’re all on guard this time against the Final Solution

        Red Rider – 1981

        • Great Song!!! Thanks

      62. Good Morning.
        Things have been crazier than a one legged man at an ass kicking contest.
        Has anyone else been doing Pick 7? We have expanded and most are Ex Grunts. Give them a project and things happen. Full lines of communication are not there but are improving.
        Watch interests rates. The Bond Market. The Stock Market. The Currency Wars. All indicators of a turndown.

        • Stop Limits are in place. Made money yesterday. Sideways today.

          • You’re playing with evil.

            Don’t cry when the e-trading accounts won’t transfer that money into cash-in-hand.

            You know the proverb, “A bird in the bush”?

            • I know, but I am “stuck” with a SEP. Not 59.5. We did dump our Roth’s last year. My SEP has become a game to me. It will do very well when the market tanks. When I get tired of the game I will way the penalty and tax. Most of our money is tied up in farm ground.

              • OMG! You can’t transfer it over to a Roth or traditional? The game is rigged — you know that…..

                • I have a trad IRA and I’ve agonized over whether to withdraw it and pay the tax or leave it there. I’m 68, retired, have pension and PT-work income. I’ve already gotten out of all mutual funds, and my IRA is almost all cash. I took some out last year and owe a lot to the IRS this time. I wanted this savings for “old age” issues (I’m 68 now). If I take it out, I would not want to spend it, but keeping FRNs in my safe might also be foolish. Maybe I could buy a very small farm back home (Texas), but it seems that time is running out.

                  • Not a tax adviser, but your are Never to old to buy dirt. Farm ground would be you best hedge against the future. I would not keep more than $5,000 in FRN, the rest would be in silver dimes, quarters, halfs, dollars. I might grab a couple of 5 dollar gold pieces too. Texas is a great state! We live a couple of states north of there.

                  • Come on down!!! Plenty of room in east Texas!!

                • I will be taxed either way. It is a wash. The game is rigged, but I have been making 15-20% playing their game sometimes more. In 2006 I made it into cash before it was 2 late. Then started building my own diversified fund of dividend paying stocks. Last Dec. I pulled the plug on most of them and am shorting the S&P 500, plus long on gold mining companies. When the market crashes I will make enough to cover my taxes for the big with drawl.

                  • I hear you, been there, done that. And in theory, your strategy may work, when looking at the broad picture. But! Never underestimate the grabbing powers of the Fascist regime! Seems as though lately, there are all these new laws that appear out of nowhere. Makes my head spin trying to keep track of it all.

                    Good luck to you. Make as much as you can.

      63. Things happen that even Comrade Evil does not have control of. Fact: The economy is slowing down. Fact: There are piles of money sitting in banks/IRA’s/401K’s that the he and his Comrades haven’t grabbed yet. This crisis will be used like all of the other ones to grab money (which buys power) and power (which gives control)

        Here is a thought, if Comrade Evil can get rid of part of The Constitution (2nd admendment), what will stop him/them from trashing the rest of it?


        • I pray all the PATRIOTs will stop it soon.

      64. Everyone here sees what’s coming. The rest out there don’t care. The market isn’t going to tank just yet. The big boys have a lot of assets to suck out of the populace before they let her go down.

        Sure the market went down yesterday, BUT, the media says gas & oil is also going down. This is another diversionary tactic to get the sheeple’s mind off what is really going on. This gives an illusion that your money for the moment will go farther.

        Think about this. The sequester only amounts to approx. 42 billion taken out of the budget. This is nothing. In the last 2 months gas has gone up 50 cents. For every penny that gas goes up, that’s another BILLION dollars that come out of the consumers wealth. Do the math!!!

        Also. The DOW is only 30 companies. It means nothing.. It is only an illusion that the governments media uses to keep everyone in line.
        molon labe

      65. Saw the preview. Chicago youth melee from the mall…..I need a better scope. I don’t want to be anywhere near that shit.

      66. eeder, either you are ranting or I am not smart enough to see what is going on? What is the Nina / ScoutMotto deal? Is there a silent war going on?

        • I think eeder might be having a wrasslin’ match with himself…and I think he might be winning.

        • @eeder, We are all in one way or another. Trust no one. Start a new persona, hell several, like bullets you can’t have enough. Paranoia is a good thing. Just because you think they may be watching you does not mean they are not. They are in this case. What is the definition of a troll? A government paid disrupter? Or a person with a different opinion than you have? Man, I am making myself crazy thinking about it. They don’t pay me enough for this. Plus if I was paid to be a troll I think I would fail the spelling exam. 🙂

        • @ BigB,

          Far as I’m concerned, there is no “Nina / ScoutMotto deal.” I have no qualms with anyone no this board, and just want to learn and help learn.

          • ON this board, rather. I’m not sure who Nina is, for that matter.

      67. @ eeder.

        Just because things are not happening as fast or the way you like it to be, doesn’t mean we are not doing nothing. Leave the name calling for the otherside to do. Otherwise if you think we are ALL COWARDS, than it might be better for you to move on to a more Manly Site.
        We have enough shit to put up with and don’t need any extra.

      68. Just when Virginians started to believe in our Commonwealth again, our Governor became a traitor to us. Check out our newly legislated tax hikes:

        Sales tax hike from 5 to 5.3 percent
        Additional sales tax hike of .7 percent in Hampton Roads and Northern Virginia
        Personal property tax hike from 3.5 percent to 4.3 percent
        Tangible personal property tax hike to 5 percent
        3 percent Northern Virginia hotel tax
        Diesel tax hike from 17.5 cents per gallon to 6 percent tax on wholesale diesel, roughly a 5 cent per gallon increase
        Car tax hike from 3 percent to 4 percent in 2013, 4.1 percent in 2014, 4.2 percent in 2015, and 4.3 percent in 2016

        And Gov McDonnell, now what I call a full-on Dem/Progressive, is going to expand Medicaid under Obamacare, something he promised he would not do.

        Just another typical corrupt politician lying through his teeth who won’t get a helping hand, a vote, or a meal from anyone I know.

        • Sorry for your pain! I’ve been living in tax hell forever, so I know how you feel. Here, hopefully we’re going in the opposite direction as you. We finally have concealed carry. Last year there was an actual budget surplus and now Walker is talking about an actual tax cut!! The libs have been trying to run him out of state since he started, but he’s holding his own.
          molon labe

        • Bastards! All of them! I am still stuck in VA but we are trying our best to get out of here ASAP. I am 35 miles from DC and I DO NOT want to be here when the SHTF. I am afraid I might still be here when it happens…trying my best to get ready either way. God help us all.

          • Yeah, you really need to bail. I honestly hope you can get out soon, Southern Gal.

          • Sic ’em, Southern Gal, let ’em have it with
            both barrels. Great spunk!

            • I am so done with all of the political bullsh**. The non stop blame game of Republicans VS Democrats…THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT AND GUILTY!!! They have created this mess. I watch MSM just to see what they are up to and do you know who’s fault this is according to them??? THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! ARE YOU F****** KIDDING ME? It is our fault because we voted in the wrong people…we are not holding our “elected” (yeah right) leaders accountable. Well judgement day is coming to all of these assh**** in this life AND the next.

      69. I want to tell you all, that things are changing as to the description of the Prepper. We are not crazy anymore.
        A hard believer that thought every thing was doing fine has told me I was RIGHT! Could have pushed me over with a feather. The evidence was overpowering. Present the facts to people and let them experience the impacts. I have been asked more questions on a variety of subjects. They are looking for answers that should have been asked long ago. Better late than never!

      70. I used to follow Denninger for a period of several years beginning in about 2007. If you counted the times he warned this or that behavior of the feds/country/fed did not stop NOW it would be too late you would run out of fingers and toes quickly. He may be correct this time but it’s the broken clock syndrome if he is.

      71. To everyone, I believe we have only WEEKS AT THE MOST before the collapse hits. I can feel it. I smell FALSE-FLAG in the air. Time is really of the essence now. Get all your supplies now while you still can. My prepping won’t stop until the last minute. Braveheart

      72. Hey ladies, I just thought I’d bring this to your attention..yes Im watching this too, because i have a daughter..but now that they have said women can be included in the ranks of combat infantry..boots on the ground soldiers, this means you can also be drafted!..and made to sign up..”registered for the draft”

        The Obama administration’s recent decision to lift the ban on women in combat has opened the door for a change in the law that currently compels only men between age 18 and 25 to register for a military draft, according to legal experts and military historians.

        Never before has the country drafted women into military service, and neither the administration nor Congress is in a hurry to make them register for a future call-up. But, legally, they may have no other choice.

        Now that front-line infantry, armor, artillery and special operations jobs are open to female volunteers who can meet the physical requirements, it will be difficult for anyone to make a persuasive argument that women should continue to be exempt from registration

        • On the question of re-establishing a military draft, male and female voters said they were opposed, 65-28, according to the poll. If a draft were called, however, men backed the conscription of women as well as men, by 59-36, the poll said. But 48 percent of the women surveyed said they did not want women to be drafted while 45 percent said they should be.

          • Sounds like the reason to get rid of “don’t ask – don’t tell” and allowing gays in the military… Claiming to be gay will no longer be grounds for avoiding a draft.

        • Lessons from Israel, VRF….

          • yep, and more bodies..

            also the law of unintended consequences, and the be careful what you wish for

            • VRF, I doubt the Feminists realized what would come their way when they signed-on and made their demands. (FWIW, I’m of the Ron Paul belief about war, but if it we return to the draft (or begin to enforce the Selective Service again), it should be both sexes.)

        • Put those whores on the front line. Then maybe you old assholes will think twice about your big war, big military, Amerikkka does no wrong, bible-thumping, chest-pumping, invade any country that isn’t white, resource-stealin, jingoistic horseshit. Worthless waste of blood and money. Hope you Bush-loving old shitbirds are proud of yourselves. That DHS is really gettin after those terrorists. I check my closet at night for those terrorists. We really needed those warrentless wiretaps and the big police state. Cameras at every corner. Don’t you feel safe? So safe in the arms of socialism. I hope the collapse finds you without diapers and viagra. Rot in hell you stupid socialist neo-con Republicans.

          • It’s “warrantless”, not “warrentless”, Eisenkreuz.

            And it’s “stealing”, not “stealin” unless you use the apostrophe to denote the slang abbreviation.

            And it’s Viagra, not all lowercase. Brand names have distinct trademarks.

            • Stealin’ was sic erat scriptum but the other two are fair game. Thumbs up buddy.

              • Gotta keep you in line, Eisen. To-MA-to, to-MAH-to… 😉

            • And it’s communism, not socialism.

          • as usual… Eisen(SOUR KROUT!)MAKES DENIGRATING REMARKS CONCERNING WOMEN in one breath (and later,lusts after them in another breath!). He obviously has major issues concerning women! Needs to go exercising and get his head out of his pants!


          It is to laugh.

          You must be kidding or some shit.

          Legally they can’t award custody based on chromosomes either, but they do so in 90% of all custody cases.

          LEGALLY if one partner has a right to “choose” (cough) to commit infanticide… aaahh I mean… excuse me… to opt out of bringing an… undifferentiated collection of cells… into this cold cruel world… then both partners do.

          I don’t see the fact that LEGALLY you should treat everyone EQUALLY actually… you know… affecting any of that shit. Do you?

          Oh by the way, China just passed a law stating that during divorce, you get to walk away with whatever you brought in or purchased yourself.



          Tell it to Paul McCartney, eh?

          They are not going to draft women. It is to laugh. Sure would be nice for a change… you’d hear such an outcry that the entire concept of “the draft” for ANYONE would be banned for all time.

          Which is, of course, why they won’t.

          … 75% of all consumer purchases… hmmm.

          • All i can think of is the poor guy in basic in Full Metal Jacket.

            Your daughter’s like 18. She’s an Aspie of has social anxiety disorder or something. She weighs 90 pounds soaking wet and can’t even handle a serious argument without getting really upset and crying. They draft her, the Drill Seargent and the other tougher chicks pick her to pieces socially and she kills herself. It’s a national tragedy.

            Your son’s like 18. Identical scenario. It’s the height of comedy. He fails as a man. No one gives a single shit.

            Here’s my question: why are these BOTH not tragedies?

            They’re not and you know they’re not.

            • And so it will never happen.


              There would be rioting in the streets the likes of which defy imagination.

              But there’d never be any for an all male draft.

              There damn well should be.

      73. Here is a crazy question, and please forgive my ignorance in advance.

        We are prepping like crazy, as fast as we can with what we’ve got. My only fear is I know my husbands job will be GONE in the collapse and we do not own our home. The bank does. Our mortgage is pretty high ($170K – which is average for our area).

        Will the banksters be coming for my home if and when EVERYONE with a mortgage defaults? I worry about having a shelter and somewhere to live. And there just isn’t money to pay it off or even sell it right now, as we are underwater a bit. No money to go buy land, etc. I just don’t know what to do. The idea of being homeless scares the **** out of me worse than anything else.

        I’m pretty resourceful. I can feed & clothe my family. I’m a good gardener. Experienced in raising chickens, etc. Good marks-woman & have guns & ammo. But the shelter thing…thought of losing my home scares me horribly.

        • I think in a total collapse..the bankers coming for you home will be the last thing on thier mind, they will be too busy trying to get away from everyone who will want thier hide..not to mention..in a breakdown of society and financial break down those who can protect thier shelter will own it, if you get what im saying?

          no chicken shit banker is going to dodge lead to take anything..and at that point i dont think any sheriff will either..

          now if they come for it before the S hits the F..than maye they might have something..but after the gauntlet is thrown down, they are just as fucked as the rest of us..so it could be even ground to play on at that point

          just my 2 cents..( that are now collectively only worth .04th of one of the two pennies..)

          • Are the banks burning?

        • MomTo3, I hope others chime in on your dilemma — so much is changing that it’s difficult to plan.

          I would ask if you feel safe and secure in the home you’re in and paying on. I would also ask if you feel it will be reasonably safe when the “S” hits. Do you trust neighbors? Do you believe your community will pull together? Or are you a newbie or a non-belonger or outcast? What you’re possibly facing is a serious issue, plan accordingly.

          Right now, the propagandized-media claims that the housing market is “improving”. What is not being disclosed is the shadow inventory of homes in the process of foreclosure. So the housing market is being artificially propped up. No surprise there, huh? Maybe you could read up on the current housing market in your region and how the bankers/financiers are handling residents of homes that are in the foreclosure process. You could go so far as to check records, too, and track addresses to see if people are remaining in homes that have been foreclosed on.

          In truth, who’s buying? And what are they buying? What about the comps in your area? Are the homes selling or sitting? Are they vacant/abandoned or are there people living there?

          I feel there will be millions of “squatters” in the future, not necessarily people who are displaced, but people living in their own homes they have financially lost. People will do what they’ve got to do in order that they’re housed, safe, and secure. But beware the position of being “homeless” and then discovered by the government. There may come a time when the government wants to help the “homeless” to a new home, ie encampment. Do not go there. Literally. DO. NOT. GO. THERE.

          • Thanks Zoltanne – you raise good questions.

            We are happy here. Lived here all my life (in this area). Our kids are happy here. We live rurally so not many close neighbors and the ones we do have we like (but have no clue we are prepping, tho one may suspect w/ chickens goats, etc)

            Ideally I want to stay here in my home. If we lost this house before everything went crazy, we could live with my parents or my inlaws whose homes are paid for. It would work – wouldn’t be ideal as we have issues w/ family but would work…if that makes sense.

            I am seeing more and more families pull together and live together these days. Multiple generations under one roof, which I guess is how it should have been all along?

            I will do some research. Thanks for the help!

            • Mto3, some good feedback here from the others for the most part. Banking and mortgages in natural law is fraud. Fractional reserve lending allows them to create your loan out of thin air. They have nothing at risk and everything to gain (the improvement to the property; house, utilities, etc). This position succeeded occasionally in older court cases, but is almost impossible now as most courts function exclusively as the banks that they are (yes, you read that correctly… lots to learn there).

              As was stated previously, not paying property taxes is far more dangerous than not paying your mortgage. Courts have no hesitation liening a property on behalf of the commonwealth, but in many cases, couldn’t care less about the banks and their endless trail of ownership swaps. I have a friend legally squatting in a $300K home that he was renting until the owner went into default. His numerous attempts to buy the house out of forclosure from the bank has been met with months of stalling as they know all too well that the property is worth more than the Federal Reserve Notes that my friend would pay for it. He has become a custodian of sorts for them. They call every so often to make sure the place is being heated, lighted, etc. and probably drive by on occasion to be sure it looks kept up.

              The biggest issue however, is that since 1871, there is no such thing as allodial title in the US. So when you ponder the question of stable ownership, consider that we are all squatters to one degree or another. The US is a corporation in bankruptcy, so everything has a lien on it. “Title” is not ownership, contrary to what you’ve been taught. Title is privilege to use. They can take your so-called property any time they want technically (eminent domain is one example) but it’s bad for the illusion, so they usually don’t.

              The coming reset, collapse, or whatever our grandchildren will call it some day, will change everything we think we know. TPTB will reallocate the land anyway they see fit to service their utopian, wet-dream counterfeit creation scenario. They are sick bastards and they have been perfecting their skills for thousands of years.

              • tptb will be finished this time…

                No way they make it to the next paradigm.

        • I have similar concerns. I have a mortgage but with equity. I don’t have enough saved to finically get by without an income for an extended time and if there’s a crash, who would have the money to buy my home anyways. If you save cash for bad times and then there’s hyperinflation, then that wipes out the value of your savings. If you have to start to cash out PM’s to get by, then so will everyone else and the crooks will bid you down well below the PM’s value. If there’s hyperinflation and you think you can sell some goods at the hyper inflated prices and then pay off your mortgage early, think again, the banksters own congress and will have all mortgages converted into variable rate mortgages.

        • Failing to pay property tax will get you thrown out of the home a lot faster than failing to pay the mortgage. Banks are leaving people in homes that are significantly in arrears on the mortgage while the banks continue to pay the property tax. If the property tax goes unpaid for too long, even the bank can lose the house.

          If this is the “land of the free” then why must I pay property tax?

          • This property tax point is brought up quite often.

            I have money for about the next 4 years—what’s to prevent the tax people from taking that now??

            Because for two months, I have wanted to do this and will pursue it Thursday–tomorrow is VA day; they finally received all records (ekgs, arteriogram, ultrasound, etc. and are ready to talk to dh.

            • It took 11 days, vets, for VA to acquire those tests and paperwork–actually, it took 45 minutes after dh called this morning and reemed them.

        • FWIW, grandfather told me many years ago that banks did take the houses in Great Depression; even though people had money in the banks. The Banks would not let them withdraw but did foreclose.

          Also told me, “You see that shed there (pointing to a tool shed about 12 feet from his back door)? Come night people would be in there and take anything they liked unless you had a gun or maybe dogs.” (yes, the shed was locked and solid.)

          What many here prep for is possibly more similar to the GD era than we realize. And more similar to that era than to the last 10, 20, 30 years.

          The major obvious differences are the wealthy are running a plan to bleed every working American dry. And we are no longer 2/3 agricultural society so few people have any farms to run to when food supplies fail.

        • If things go to hell then just sit tight…not likely anyones gonna try to move you out…they may not survive their own game and if enough years go by itll be harder to evict you anyhow…

        • Mom, and Misty from yesterday’s post inquiry.
          These are my thoughts about that and I’m using common sense, which bankers ARE NOT privy of it seems.
          ‘IF’ I was a banker, holding foreclosures on millions of homes, why would I evict them when they certainly have an interest in the home?
          Why wouldn’t I agree to a ‘caretaker’ status and be asssured the bank property is cared for and protected from vandalism, or hobo occupancy at best?
          And, remember, we evicted do own mathces—lots of matches!!!

          Note: I have thousands in equity, will never get that asset if a collapse occurs.
          You, however, have no equity and are in a better position than we with equity. My neighbor owns their home; when they can’t pay property taxes, they will lose much more than you or I//

          • Note: in Ky, there is a law; anyone paying delinquent property taxes, takes ownership of the property.
            This is being done here.

            For those doing this, if we don’t get you in this lifetime, there is justice in the next.

      74. They’re going vertical, so are we. They called joy and we were below the hard deck for only a few seconds and I took the shot.

      75. Prep, prep and prep again. Shit is tough for me right now. My food budget has remained the same while the food prices have soared. Every week I come back with a little less. By the end of the month, my family and I are reduced to regular meals of top ramen.

        And now with rising gas prices, right now $3.80+ on the space coast, things are going to get ugly.

        • Why would you waste money on overpriced ramen? Dried lentils, beans, rice, potatoes, cabbage, oats, etc. are all cheaper per made-from-scratch pound than ramen…healthier, too.

        • Why would you waste money on ramen? Dried lentils, beans, peas, rice, potatoes, cabbage, oats, etc. are all cheaper per made-from-scratch pound than ramen…healthier, too.

        • I’m sorry to hear that, Gregor. Health is the most important thing you can have (next to God/Love). My daughter and I are real poor too. (She has 7 years of college!) We had to depend on her credit card for couple wks to buy food. But we ALWAYS put nutrition first!! Even if its only beans and salad, that’s what we’ll eat (vegetarianism is healthier and whole lot cheaper!!!)

          My problem is, all my prepping stuff is way up North in storage facility (along with my car) and my daughter is way down SOUTH! (I”m staying with her temporarily, trying to figure out what to do…she refuses to prep!) And it looks like the s is about ready hit the fan!

        • Why would you waste money on ramen? Dried lentils, beans, peas, rice, potatoes, cabbage, oats, etc. are all cheaper per made-from-scratch pound than ramen…healthier, too.

      76. OUTRAGE!!!!! You are not going to like this…

        At age 76 when you most need it, you are not eligible for cancer treatment – page 272

        What Nancy Pelosi didn’t want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, “We have to pass the Bill so that we can see what’s in it.” Well, here it is.

        Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number

        THE CARE BILL HB 3200


        Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX – highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200

        Please read this……. especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

        JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

        Page 50/section 152:

        The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

        Page 58 and 59:

        The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

        Page 65/section 164:

        The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now – ACORN).

        Page 203/line 14-15:

        The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

        Page 241 and 253:

        Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors’ fees.

        Page 272. section 1145:

        Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient’s age.

        Page 317 and 321:

        The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

        Page 425, line 4-12:

        The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an “end-of-life planning” seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

        Page 429, line 13-25:

        The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

        HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

        “Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress.
        Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas

        All of the above should give you the ammo you need to oppose Obamacare.

        • Another good reason to say fuck you to the banks…get your money out now before Obama care takes it out for you

          • why not say fuck you to them all.

            I know you know who I’m talking about…

        • Fact check Judge Kithil on google. This seems to have been going around over three years on internet. junk

          • is it false info?

            • VFR: snopes.com: Judge David Kithil on Obamacare ••••
              Letter from Judge David Kithil provides line-item criticism of health care reform legislation?
              …Judge Dread Claim: List provides accurate line item criticisms of “Obamacare” health care reform legislation. Examples: [Collected via e-mail,…
              …Honorable David Kithil Marble Falls, Texas. Variations: A later version of this piece was prefaced with the false claim that the Patient Protection…
              …or as a letter sent to the River Cities Tribune by David Kithil, a former county judge in Marble Falls, Texas, it is actually the work of Peter…
              Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:22:35 GMT http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp

            • A very good article on The Patient and Affordable Care Act of 2010, commonly referred to as the ACA or Obamacare.

              Prints out to 16 pages with lots of links.
              This law is still being written.


          • I just looked up some of these by line and they seem to be accurate. The laws has many “fuzzy” words and is ambiguous, therefore they can basically do as they and the committees want to.

            • And so can I.

              Semper Fi
              Best done with an M1 Garand, when it absolutely, positively…

              • Actually I prefer the M1A, you avoid Garand thumb and have a 20 rd mag. Other than that it’s the same rifle.

        • HA! ROFL! LOL!

          “Page 58 and 59:

          The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.”

          Fat frickin’ chance…..They can’t get what isn’t there….

        • To everyone the real pale rider says BULL SHIT to this post under my handle!

      77. I don’t post often, but I faithfully read, daily, every article offered.
        I cannot thank Mac Slavo and the contributing posters on this site enough. What I have learned in the way of prepping is beyond measure. I sincerely hope and pray this beacon of information will always be available.
        By profession, I am a Realtor of 35 years, having been licensed in 3 states, one being Alaska and went through the mid 80’s crash there. I have been through a host of marketplace “ups and downs”. What I see today is something very, very different, and the amount of government involvement and control is staggering. Allow me to share an e-mail I received this morning from a structural inspector in my area. Two of his inspection orders have been cancelled within the last 7 days due to buyers loans (in process) who have had their hours cut back or furloughed by employers due to Obamacare, and they no longer can qualify for a loan to buy a home. Neither of these people work for the same company This is one inspector in a town of about 80 thousand people. As the realty of the costs of Obamcare to employers becomes more and more evident, this situation will become common place, beyond what it already is, IF those businesses intend to survive. The horrendous effects of Obamacare is merely one factor in this economy. Wide spread, dwindling factory orders, payroll tax increases, gas hikes, resulting in already stretched and stressed family pocketbooks. As a nation, we are slowly being financailly strangled to death, and we are all being lied to during the process.

        • JoJo, thanks for your kinds words and for joining the conversation.

          Your innput is invaluable in helping us to identify the REAL trends taking place. We may not hear about it from the media, but this forum gives us an opporunity to get real insights, from real people on the ground.


      78. LMAO!

        Whooooo are you – Who who? Nutsy foo foo. That’s who – who who.

      79. It’s all a big conspiracy to surveil you and your solution is a GOOGLE sponsored product!

        Uh DUUUUUHHHHHHHH skynet is monitoring you so use a skynet product.

        LMAO. You’re retarded. absoltuely retarded.

        • i am simply saying its the only thing that will work. internet explorer does not work. mazilla firefox is set up to minimize truth and is cleverly done so. however , i see right through it. i find that chrome is the best of a bad lot. any other suggestions nina. i would be glad to try them. you seem to know all of this stuff.

          • *snore* You must be in love. You see Nina everywhere.

      80. A tax preparation service in a residential area of Detroit was the target for two armed robbers. However, the two did not expect to also find a security guard armed with an AR-15 inside either. The attempted robbery happened on Thursday afternoon at 2:30 according to a report by My FOX Detroit. And the entire thing, which lasted only a few seconds, was caught on video.

        There has been much talk among gun-grabbers in recent weeks about “assault rifles”. They say that these so-called “weapons of war” do not belong in the hands of citizens, that they do not belong in neighborhoods; they only belong on the battlefield.

        As National Gun Rights Examiner, David Codrea explores in a recent article, “assault rifles” are presumably good enough for the self-defense of select elites, but too bad for the commoners. However, had that man not been armed with an AR-15, this story might have very well ended differently. Today, the man armed with an AR-15 is a hero, but this a story that will most likely never make mainstream media headlines.

      81. another one bites the dust

        Metro PCS, a cell phone store in Sacramento, Calif., was the target for an armed robbery Sunday, Feb. 17. However, the robber didn’t expect to find an armed citizen working in the store. The employee shot the armed suspect once according to a report by News10 ABC. The suspect died from the gun shot wound

      82. A Myrtle Beach woman refused to be a victim when a man armed with a knife attempted to rob her, then threatened to kill her. The incident happened early Friday morning, Feb. 15, as reported by WBTW News 13.

        The woman had just parked her car to go to work when the man approached her and demanded money as he pushed her farther into the car. However, the woman did not give in. Instead, she kicked him, which only infuriated him more. He responded by saying, “You’re dead.” She responded by pulling a pistol from the glove box. At which point he quickly fled the scene leaving behind his knife and baseball cap.

        too bad she didnt say..Uh no asshole your dead,,, bang bang bang

        • FUCKIN KILL ‘EM

      83. Billionaires Dumping Stocks, Economist Knows Why

        look it up on Money News dot com

      84. Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke warned of a second American revolution if gun control and gun confiscation passed and said he would not enforce laws requiring confiscation in his county while speaking with Alex Jones, Infowars reported Tuesday.

        “First of all, to me that would be an act of tyranny,” he said of the gun control measures currently under consideration. “So the people in Milwaukee County do not have to worry about me enforcing some sort of order that goes out and collects everybody’s handgun, or rifles, or any kind of firearm and makes them turn them in.”

        “The reason is I don’t want to get shot, because I believe that if somebody tried to enforce something of that magnitude, you would see the second coming of an American revolution, the likes of which would make the first revolution pale by comparison,”


      86. Cant take it with ya!…..Dam!

        CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) — Even though he lived in the same quiet neighborhood for decades, no one seemed to know Walter Samaszko Jr. He was so unknown that weeks passed before authorities discovered he had died in his modest Carson City home.

        When cleanup crews arrived, they made another startling discovery: The 69-year-old man who had lived so simply had a vast collection of thousands of gold coins worth millions of dollars stashed in old ammunition boxes in his garage.

        About half of the collection’s value will be auctioned off Tuesday in a Carson City courtroom to satisfy some $800,000 in government estate taxes and fees.

        The profits beyond that amount will go to a substitute teacher in San Rafael, Calif., who is Samaszko’s first cousin and sole heir. It took an exhaustive search to locate Arlene Magdanz.

        • yeah like as if they let him get 800, grand in debt in taxes ..yeah..as if.

          hope this sole heir looks into the validity of that number and doesnt take thier word, or thier paperwork as gospel

          • if the heir lives in San Rafael, chances are she won’t even need it.

            Extremely wealthy community.

      87. Long time lurker here.
        I have been working on the backend on an idea I have had for a while for a disaster/survival cookbook and wanted to get some feedback on the idea. So, I just started a Kickstarter campaign.

        “Cooking with Fire: The Disaster Cookbook. How to cook when the lights go out.” If you are a fan of cooking or disasters, 😉 check it out, we need the support and we have some really swell disaster cooking type pledge rewards!


        Thanks and keep the cooking fires stoked!

        • Hue,

          Great idea and good luck in your venture!!

        • hue–stop wasting viewer’s time..go back to prepper sites.
          They are more gullible there.

      88. I keep reading vague references to “much much worse” and the like.
        While I have a reference from my deceased father about what life was like during the Depression in his area, (9 families under one roof, no work) I would like to know what “much much worse” will entail this time around.
        ..in your opinions.

      89. Anyone remember Earnest T. Bass? He he he! Can’t catch me. This is who I visualize when I read someone’s posts on here.

        • It’s me, it’s me, it’s Earnest T!


        • eeder, you posted the same comment ten times. i sent an email to you about this. I have no choice but to put your posts in moderation as they are beginning to negatively impact the overall conversation.

          • off the meds again?

          • Good work, Mac.

          • i did not post the same comment 10 times! this place has long ago been infiltrated by the enemy.I am trying to expose the enemy.

          • heck, this post makes us curiouser and curiouser!!

      91. In my humble opinion, we are knee-deep in the spectacle of collapse….and it is an engineered one. I’ve been getting these very strong vibes lately that time is short…..call in premonitions, call it ESP(n) or call it gas!! Regardless the feeling is unpleasant and the result won’t be good…..the time is late, the slide will pick up steam and in short order the S will surely HTF!!!!

      92. Back about 1913 money was at the start of turning into something that had less and less backing, until Nixon finally killed the silver coins for good. Money is not physical anymore, want to know why? Because when money become a ghost it can be manipulated to just about any amount.

        Here’s the problem with a financial disaster being the sole cause of hell in the U.S. Other countries are in the same boat, at least most of them. Misery loves company, but it is deeper than that. For the U.S. to suffer, someone else has to be doing much better. If not, then the misery just floats like crap in the toilet. If everyone else is doing very badly there are no other countries to benefit off the failure of everyone else. The world just gradually falls into a depression, not that quickly. Kind of like a flat real estate market, the prices just plain stay low, and there is no rapidly falling prices.

        If you price in the value of gold and other precious metals, the stock market is not up that much from the 2008-09 levels of around 6500. In other words the stocks don’t have that much to fall again to reach the stock value in hard currency. In other words if the stocks lost half their value to 7000 or so, this would be like 3000-4000 in 2008-09 levels.

        Okay, again in my opinion stocks can lead to a disaster on the long term like WW2 after the 30’s, but a rapid massive collapse, I just don’t feel it is going to happen because money is a phantom and can be jiggled around. It is called COOKING THE BOOKS. It can still be done and we could be talking about a 25 trillion dollar debt 1-2 years from now still waiting for that collapse.

        This is why I say to look to the PHYSICAL disasters that are looming to collapse everything, including collapsing the economy. Real true physical disasters hurt, they are painful and have to be dealed with physically. Look at Fukushima, this is real. We are talking about some serious real radiation from this that can and will kill and destroy scores of property. A major quake with all those gas lines on the New Madrid would be catastrophic. War is beyond a nightmare to clean up and recover. A panademic would cost just about one trillion dollars for every 1-4% of the population that would die. Trust me everyone, look for the physical calamities to take down everything including the economy, that cannot be manipulated and played with.

        • Some people claim that’s why China, etc have been stocking up on gold and other goods. Because they know the U.S. is going down the tubes, they (China,etc) just can’t pull the plug yet because then they would be suffering also.

          But if they stock up on gold, rice, etc beforehand, then when they’re fully prepped, they can pull the plug and suffer less damage, and take our place on the world stage, while we wither…

        • @BI, as always you have a clear and concise picture of the situation as it stands. Hope you are feeling better.

        • I agree completely. The collapse is more about societal breakdown than monetary insolvency…..ours has been so debased over time it has lost it’s intrinsic value. However, when the bloods and crypts are guarding Louis Farrakan and the Nation of Islam, when the Mexican gang-bangers are chasing the blacks out of California and the government is destroying religion in every form…and our moral compass along with it……we only need one small spark to get this conflagration going!! When that fire is lit…..well, be someplace either surrounded by water or on the upwind side. Prayer probably would be good about now if there wasn’t a predator drone outside my house using infrared or thermal technology to shoot a sidewinder up my keester if I get on my knees with a bible…….I think that particular fuse was lit in 2008/09 and is just starting to enter the drum of gunpowder!!!

        • Be Informed, I studied the issue of climate change religiously for a few years– read everything I could get my hands on about the subject. According to some experts, around 2030– 2035, Catastrophic Climate Change is going to be so well… catastrophic, that GOVERNMENTS will collapse. That’s right– that’s what many experts from various fields are predicting. An excellent and very up to date on the subject is “climate Wars”. If you want something to scare your socks off, this is the book to read. And everything predicted in that book is confirmed by top climate scientists (not pseduo-scientists paid for by the fossil fuel industry; I’m talking about real climate scientists).

          Another rather interesting tidbit: According to Re-Insurance magazine (published several years ago), the Pentagon’s reports state…”there is substantial evidence to suggest that significant global warming will occur in this century… the evidence of an imminent and abrupt shift may become clear and reliable within a
          decade.” (around 2015). A “shift”, that is, from the weather we’re used to having in the Halocene period, to Catastrophic climate, which some scientists describe as “Biblical Scenario” around 2050. (I did a term paper on this years ago).

      93. Federal budget cuts totaling $85 billion could result in nearly 800,000 people losing their jobs and a reduction in economic growth of about half a point.

        800K jobs..hell I dont think in the last 8 years there were 800K jobs created..

        another huge load headded for our entitlement programs..wonder how well it will take the hit? or will it?

      94. People, please, when someone posts a troll comment their only goal is to get you to comment back to them and distract from a useful conversation. Let’s keep up the “Take out the trash” campaign and just give them a red finger and move on with no comment.

        If you comment, realize they just beat you. They won.

        Joe in NC
        Jackson Mcdooper

        Just red thumb them and move on please. If you reply, they smile and you have stoked thier fire.


        • Add Eisenkreuz to that list

      95. If tanks appear in the streets, I’m stealing one and going on a joy ride!

        • im stealing 2..one to drive, and one to park in my driveway.

          • ‘Hot-wiring The M1A1 For Dummies’
            Best book I ever bought. Now, if I can just remember where I left the screwdriver….

            • just dont cut the yellow wire..and dont jump the blue

            • @SmokinO:

              Check next to your easy chair for that screwdriver. If you need more OJ, just let me know.


        • Ala Grand Theft Auto!

        • They don’t have a parking brake, so remember to throw a liberal under the tracks when you stop for beer. (Two on a hill)

          • Coffee out nose! Finally, a use for liberals… and I was beginning to think there was none.

          • two on a hill! ha!

      96. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal (R – La.) accused President Obama of playing “political theater” by warning that looming across-the-board spending cuts set to go into effect on Friday will have a devastating impact on the government’s ability to function and provide for the nation’s most vulnerable, saying the cuts can be made in ways that are less damaging.

        “The reality is that this is just part of political theater, part of the campaign,” Jindal told Politics Confidential following a luncheon at the White House for the National Governors Association. “He’s trying to scare the American people. He’s trying to distort the impact.”

      97. **Public Notice**
        In view of the forthcoming magazine restrictions in New York, politicians are requested to gather in groups no larger than seven.

        The world is going insane! Absolutely in-freakin-sane!
        Truth is lies. Lies are truth. Everything is upsidedown. America has become a reality tv show. Our economy is twitching like a junkie in withdrawal, millions of citizens are scrambling to make ends meet, and tens of millions are pissed about new gun grabbing laws. And what do the scum in DC do?
        More of the same idiotic crap they’ve been doing all along! More spending. More phony debates about ‘sequestration.’ More laws to Tax, Restrict and Control. I’ve had it!! Hate is not a big enough word. I loathe them. I despise them. I wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire.
        And what about the media? What’s their big story while Rome burns? Well, it has nothing to do with Rome… It’s the Oscars! And a surprise visit from Michelle! That’s right, our Princess…our African Goddess…The Queen Of The Welfare Queens… the First Ho, crashes a party of self-congratulations among the Hollywood freaks, and THAT’S the big news of the day!
        Folks, the Reality Train has left the station. We ain’t in Kansas anymore. The empire is collapsing and all the media, the masses and the elites can talk about is next week’s show at the Circus Maximus. This is absolutely surreal. America is gone. Do you hear me? GONE!
        I am so angry today. XXXXX(temporarily edited to prevent my arrest)
        I just had to cut out and delete a couple paragraphs there. Maybe in a few days I can get home and apply some emergency ‘ammo therapy’ to save my sanity. For y’all that don’t know, that’s just target shooting. Preferably with the LOUDEST firearm you can get.
        Now……. I just need to calm down and get a grip. Breathe, okie….in, out… in, out….
        Maybe a prayer is in order here.

        I’d never intentionally say anything blasphemous or offensive to the Lord, and I hope this is ok with Him:
        “God, grant me the wisdom and the peace of mind that You know I so desperately need. Keep me humble before You. And, Lord, please give me the patience not to GO OFF on these… these tyrants, these criminals… these godless… vermin that are destroying lives and destroying our nation. Father, hold me tight today. You know I need it. Amen”

        I hope that was alright with Him.
        Now, where was I? Oh yeah…

        Hey, Congress! Sequester THIS!

        (Mac, how come we don’t have a middle finger icon? I could really use one right now. A BIG ONE.)

        • Glad to see im in good company

          Im with you Okie..

          like I been saying..Fuck the media,, they are part of this, complicite if you will.

        • Hes gotcha firm in his hands…youd be just another zombie if this BS DIDNT bother you…chin up my friend! 🙂

        • I’m with you Okie!

          And I agree, we need a middle finger icon to flip to .gov

          The trash is starting to get pretty deep.

        • Heer Doktor JOG SAYS,

          Hmmmm, Dis Kase IS Ex-Treme…

          De only Hope here iz to apply the kure in Mazzive Doses,

          Alzo, Ve MUST Conzider the Use of de Largest caliber therapee,

          Zo, ve must recommend ‘Barret’ therapy here; Nurse! Prepare ze .416 therapy fur Herr Okinheimer IMMEDIATELY!
          Ve muzt go swiftly here…Mein Gott in Himmmel, ist es Schlect!!!…Ve vill START wit an intial dose of 416, BARRET 416!, YA!! Gaen sie, schnelle…MACH Schnelle!!!

          The application of the prescribed therapy SHOULD suffice to stabllize the condition Okie, Best Regards,
          the Doktor has indicated that the prognosis ‘IS gutt!’

          🙂 😉

          • That was great, JOG! I think I’m gonna pull through.

            • Don’t mention it Bro,

              Your original ‘Ammo Therapy’ post REMAINS the funniest sh_t I’ve about EVER heard, I FELL off the chair laughing …hurt my hip too, still couldn’t quit laughing though. Happy to repay the ‘debt’ in like kind…


        • I think the federal corp. forgot that they are very similar to a computer. They have the same little button. It is called reboot. Time for a little get together of the States to hit the reboot button before the feds finish acting out their final solution.

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          • I tried…didn’t work–but it was cool on my PC

        • Whew, smokin… God forbid you ever get MAD….
          (good one…loved it.)
          here, just for you a piper special emoticon;

          the middle finger salute.


          backslash optional

          • Thanks Piper. I can always count on you.

        • SO, and others:

          The situation is no longer about right or wrong


          it’s about success or failure…

          Prep, prepare, get ready for the inevitable.

          Everyone needs to be successful in accomplishing the

          latter for humanities’ sake.

          Failure is NOT an OPTION.

      98. What’s all the hubbub bub?

      99. Mac, site is loading comments funny…(Again)

        this should be at the bottom of the page as many above this should be..for some reason comments are not going to the bottom of the page, this seems to happen many times on your site..just a heads up boss

      100. I’ve been wanting to bust this one out ever since the end of Reagan and never had occasion to do so.

        Now seems like a good time.


      101. The market was strong today, I thought the headline said it was going to crash?

        • Possible Duplicate

          No, it wasn’t,

          Go back and look at the VOLUME today…just a “DCB”,

          a “Dead-Cat-Bouce”


          • Just One Guy- stop kidding around.

            Last declaration of

            Dead Cat bounce the market lost

            almost 50% volume.

            Crash of 2008

            if you know something then

            people in the know like you

            had better chime in

      102. SMOKIN… yeah, whenever I do the online polling thing and then click to see the vote count, about 81% of Americans DO NOT approve of the gun grab! About 81% of Americans do not believe we should have any restrictions placed on our second amendment rights to own fire arms… yet the Powers That Be go right ahead and do whatever the heck they want!

      103. @ DarkStar ~ Howdy Neighbor. 🙂 I am in Upstate N.Y.
        I live bw Buffalo and Syracuse.
        Deisel Dan is another New Yorker that posts here.

      104. Not to worry folks, the next war will save the economy! And its coming to a theatre near you soon!

      105. There is no economic “fix” that can assuage what has happened. Yes, a delay tactic was used in 2001, but still, we are delaying for something that will set things straight. Like I always enjoy saying, “Something wicked, this way comes.”

      106. So, its a chat line now? LOL

        “Show ya lovin ” – kist of love


      107. Come on you guys…?

      108. Somebody has me tucked in already. lol

        Guess I am special. In that case I will tell ya straight out what and where this market will take you.

        The market is rising, right up to 1630. Then you are going to see 1400 drop in one day. Then a 2300 point the next. Then another 3300 the next. From there, the market will be a memory.

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