When Seconds Count: Home Invasion Victim Waits Over an Hour for Police to Arrive

by | May 12, 2017 | Headline News | 129 comments

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    There’s a big divide between urban liberals and rural conservatives when it comes to gun rights, and there’s a very simple reason why. In rural areas, a gun has many different uses. Aside from self-defense, they can also be used for hunting, putting down injured livestock, and culling pests and predators. Plus, there are a lot more opportunities to shoot firearms recreationally in the countryside.

    People who live in cities however, don’t have as much respect for firearms, because they don’t need them nearly as much. In the city, the only reason you’ll need a gun is for self-defense, and even then it doesn’t seem very important to most urban dwellers. After all, why would you need a gun to protect yourself in a densely populated area, where a phone call can bring the police to your door in a few minutes? Life in the city is very different from life in the countryside, where it’ll probably take a half hour or longer for the police to show up at your front door.

    So is it any wonder why urban liberals don’t respect gun rights? They simply don’t think that they need guns. In their minds, the only justifiably reason to own a gun is negated by the fact that they can have an armed professional arrive at their home within a few minutes.

    Unfortunately, they are very wrong about that assumption, because in many cities it can take the police a really long time to properly respond to a 911 call. That’s what happened to this Dallas resident, who was recently robbed at gunpoint in his home after his wife left for the airport.

    It was about 6:40 a.m. on April 26 when Jamie heard the back door open. Then he heard the footsteps. Jamie called out, asking who was there.

    A voice responded, “It’s the cops.” He immediately knew that couldn’t be true.

    Two men came into his bedroom. One of them did all the talking. He held a gun to Jamie’s head for almost the entire time they were in the house.

    They ransacked the room. They took his phone, car keys, house keys, wallet, and other electronics.

    As they were leaving, the man told him to count to 100.

    “I had gotten to seven or eight and it was almost like he had lost interest,” Jamie says. “He said, ‘Don’t you get up until I’m gone.’”

    After the men left, Jamie fled to his neighbors house to call 911. Unfortunately, it took the police an hour and 27 minutes to show up. It took them so long to respond, that his wife had time to come back home from the airport. As he waited, he called 911 multiple times in an attempt to find out what was taking so long.

    “They would say, ‘Well, are they still in the house?’” he says. “I said, ‘No but the guy put a gun to my head. What if he’s still around here somewhere?’ Every time we were told, ‘Well, we don’t have anyone to send out. We’re shorthanded.’”

    So why did it take the police so long to respond? It turns out that hundreds of police officers have left the Dallas Police Department in recent months. And since the robbery was no longer in progress, Jamie’s call was no longer a top priority.

    Dallas PD so far is meeting its eight-minute goal of responding to Priority 1 calls. Those include things like murders and robberies in progress.

    But for Priority 2 calls – calls like Jamie’s — the department has fallen behind. The department has a 12-minute goal for those calls. These are things like disturbances and robberies that have already occurred.

    Those calls are being answered in about 22 minutes, but as Jamie’s experience shows, it can sometimes take much, much longer.

    “In many instances, Priority 2 calls can be held for 30 minutes or up to three or four hours,” says Officer Nick Novello, a central patrol officer. “If we were at the precipice, we are in free fall right now.”

    A lot of bad things can happen in eight minutes, and that’s the absolute best case scenario for Dallas residents who call 911. And while it’s understandable that the response time for lower priority calls is longer, having to wait for more than an hour after someone puts a gun to your head is just ridiculous.

    It’s dangerous too. A violent person could easily come back to the scene of a crime in that time frame, and do terrible things to any of their victims who called the police. And they probably will do stuff like that, once they realize how long it takes the police to respond after they’ve already committed a crime.

    This also gives criminals the opportunity to rob multiple locations in one night without ever being caught. All they have to do is leave the scene before someone calls the cops, go after their next target, and rinse and repeat. In each case the crime is no longer a priority, and it could take the police hours to respond to each incident.

    That’s why everyone who lives in the city needs to take gun rights seriously. The police aren’t your personal body guards, and they can’t be expected to show up at your home at a moments notice. No matter where you live, your safety is almost always your own responsibility.


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      1. Police being overwhelmed by calls and shortage of officers which is a major threat to public safety.

        If police shortages continue, can see an increase in home invasions.

        States that do not have a castle law, need to enact such a law. It is unfortunate that in this day and time some have to live like prisoners in their own homes.

        • Wow! This is a complete disgrace and a real concern for public safety! Hmm I wonder why the cops wised up and got the “f” out of Dallas, hmmm can you say blacks and their nonsense and their violence and lack of caring about anything and everything especially the law and white people. My God, so glad I do NOT live there and I have firearms to some what rely upon…better than nothing I imagine. I really do feel bad for the decent white folks in Dallas, good lord!!! WTF folks.
          Folks in Dallas, arm yourselves and do it NOW and do it damn well if you want to survive – the police can only do so much for ya’ll

          • Only dumbfucks leave their security in the hands of others.

            • Menzo, and their back doors unlocked.

              • No doubt!

              • No doubt!

                • Aim small miss small, I leave my back door open as bait.

                  • eight minutes is the goal time for a murder or violent crime IN PROGRESS..??

                    ROFLMAO.. GREAT JOB GUYS!

                    • 8 minutes, hell I can shoot em and hide the criminals body in five minutes?

            • Damn skippy Menzo. If’n you don’t have a plan you ain’t no man.

          • ” Hmm I wonder why the cops wised up and got the “f” out of Dallas, ”

            Conduct a web search on “Dallas pension fund”

            Its because the Dallas pension fund is collapsing, career officers’ pensions are in BIG trouble.

          • What we have here is a ‘Failure’ to communicate.

        • Everyone needs to take personal responsibility for their own security. If all you got is a simple deadbolt on a thin front door, between you and your family vs the public street outside in the city, then shame on you, as you are an Ignorant A$$hole’.

          Security Comes in Layers.
          Cameras, Plenty of No Trespassing Signs on your perimeter, Barbed wire fences, locked driveway gates, big barking dogs, alarm systems, motion detectors, thorny bushes outside your windows, a Moat filled with Gators around 3 sides of my property, Live out in the Country vs the City; Baseball bats, expandable batons, pepper spray, Lots of various Guns and lots of Ammo.

          Got all of that? I have all of that but the large barking dog, which would scare away the wild life more than any threats which are few. My neighbors have plenty of yapping dogs, and they are on the road that leads to my dead end property behind 2 locked gates and 350 ft of 6 ft tall barbed wire fence. So I get notice before anybody comes down my way. And on the back side of my property is miles of swamp, snakes, gators and other critters. Nobody is coming in from that way. These are all considerations to get the hell out of the cities while you can and find a slice of paradise out in the county away from the hoodie gangs and threats. We are packing massive heat, so bring it and die quick.

        • Police are always 5-10 minutes away in the best case! What ever crime is taking place is going to be over by the time they get there. That’s why “when seconds count they are only minutes away”, and “they will be there in time to clean up the mess”. That is reality, and it is not their fault! In order for the police to be there to stop every crime, there would have to be a police officer on every block ready to go. And then what do we have?

          • Otherwise, take care of your own defense! Or, as the department of homeland security suggests … you can hide and cower in place. Hope and pray that you aren’t found. Beg and cry if you are. And wait until someone who is capable Arrives to save you. That’s ssuming there’s still something to save. Otherwise you can watch them clean up the mess as you float above on your way to your next destination.

            • Why even call?

              • If a couple hooligans broke in on me now I would kill them and bury them with the hoe. Would not call anyone.

                • Right
                  I mean it’s not like the theif told his family where he was going and what he was planning to do
                  So who would even know he was there except you

                  Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead

                  Fuck the criminal , he got what he asked for

                  • Yep if they break in they do not get to live and their family doesn’t get to sue me and the cops don’t get my weapon. Lots of positive things come from zipping the lips.

                    • Exactly!

                    • Exactly.

                    • I agree completely.

                • Make sure you anchor them on site. Then your biggest headache is clean up (and maybe patching a wall).

                  • You are right, if you shoot that perp in the head with a 375 H&H magnum with the high velocity 230 grain slugs, the splatter will make such a mess it will be easier to move out of your house than to clean?

                • That sort of thing probably happens more than most people would suspect. I hear in Detroit they just dump the carcass in an empty building (they have plenty). Nobody investigates at all.

                • We let the feral hogs do the dirty work around here…

        • Same thing happened to my daughter years ago… She was up studying late at night when a burglar came through the window. She ran out in the hallway and called the cops. It took them an hour to show up. They said they had more important cases to tend to. Burglar got away with her purse but at least didn’t harm her!! 🙁

      2. Oh for the days of Adam 12, Dragnet, and Dirty Harry.

        • In dragnet, the head sgt carried a 44 magnum.

          • You should too

        • An Ebola outbreak, just as summer travel is about to begin…

          WHO Confirms Ebola Outbreak After 3 Deaths in Congo
          ht tps://www.thequint.com/health/2017/05/12/ebola-death-in-congo

          New Ebola Epidemic Declared After Three People Die In DR Congo
          “An Ebola epidemic has been declared in the northeast region of the Democratic Republic of Congo. The World Health Organization says three deaths are being linked to the virus, and it is taking the situation “very seriously”.”
          ht tp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-12/new-ebola-epidemic-declared-after-three-people-die-dr-congo

      3. My 3 great danes will slow anyone down who enters without permission…. any one of my 4 kids will shoot the crap out them while my wife will beat the hell out them for bleeding on the carpet… I can handle the police call or body disposal (thats if my dogs havent eaten them first)… no worries here..

        • Pepper spray will neutralize the Danes.

          • My dogs eat the ghost peppers from my garden so that may not work too well…

        • I am 72 with a 45. It is all I need…

          • At 72, no county prosecutor would give a thought to going after you. Who wants to run for office on “I locked away that 72 year-old gang banger”?

            What are they going to do, send you to a maximum security nursing home?

          • I am 45 with a 72. It is more than I need.

        • You just made my day…thanks!

      4. Police have guns to protect themselves. When is the last time you saw Protect and Serve on a cop car? You are on your own. The police will show up to clean up the mess and do the paper work. They are stretched too thin and cover too much territory.

        • —S. Ct. has ruled twice that police are not here ‘to serve and protect’—-didn’t say what they WERE here for—-that is why the statement is disappearing from the units–


            • Some of my sheriff’s deputies in my neck of the woods has told me 3 things so far that i need to know and remember: they are peace keepers not protectors, use your gun if someone comes on your property and you fear for your life, and they have been taking “de-escalation” classes and will now be viewing certain situations as one to use these “de-escalation”techniques, and I have seen in the past that if a person is freaking out, no matter how right or truthful or wronged you may be, the calm,cool,collected person is who our finest will believe. I believe that it is directly related to their perspective of “de-escalation” is the goal. So I would personally feel guilty teaching a child these days to go talk to the nice policeman, he is your friend. I love our guys in blue and have several relatives that lay their life on the line every day and feel for their spouses. But law enforcement , I believe has been quickly evolving or maybe devolving, in its perception of the public. Andy Griffith has no choicer as the world around him gets darker.

              • Genie, welcome and the word I get on ‘de-escalation’ is that it came from the Civil Rights Division at DOJ when Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch, per Obama, were micromanaging local law enforcement with all that damn black civil rights crap. They were telling cops to handle black criminals with kid gloves ever since the Michael Brown incident. That is what led to the increase in black crime ever since then. The DOJ and FBI statistics will verify what I’m saying. Black males are more likely than any other group of people in the US to commit serious and violent crimes. If that makes me racist, then so be it. I stand up for white people and GOOD black people, NOT for criminals.

          • They ‘Protect and Serve’ the empire.

        • Sevier County cop cars have ” protect and serve” on them, but they won’t mind if you save them the trouble and protect yourself first. One never knows what goes on in them dark hollers….

          • “Protect and serve” does not mean to protect and serve the public at all. It’s meant protect and serve their masters.

            Only YOU have the responsibility to protect and serve yourself and your loved ones.

          • Babycatcher, Sevier County is where Gatlinburg is located, isn’t it?

      5. Hahaha I would wait an hour too if I was a cop, finish my lunch doughnut, have sex with a speeding women motorist to reduce her fine, then show up to hear some a$$hole whine.

      6. Hell, it probably was the cops.

      7. Really though when cops are breaking into homes they usually kill their innocent victims. Then claim they accidentally got the wrong address. Even if you had the one good cop left in the country to rescue you most gunfights are “over” in under 3 seconds. Call all you want, it won’t save you. I have been a personal protection specialist for 30 years. The person moving forward is at the most risk. Hide behind something boolitt proof, pop out slightly shooting your 300 win mag. You will prolly win.

      8. Use those Remington 7/8 oz slugs high velocity in your 12 ga. They will fold a bad guy in half like a suit case if you don’t have a 300 Win mag handy. Or head shots result in cherry ? pie on the wall?

        • Gandhi, I’ve got all kinds of ammo for my 12-ga.

      9. As more people become victims, more guns will be sold to people who will shoot out of fear. And it will be next to impossible to survive as a thief. That’s just the nature of the free market. Oh well, you can’t win them all. Get some dogs and a cat. They say it is good for your health to have pets. People are always talking about how thieves can kill your pets. But experience has taught me that pets are a very real deterrent. Threatening signs are also deterrents. Keeping people away is the best solution. When robbers get away with their crimes, they get bolder. Eventually they are caught by police or wind up shot. Once caught, a home invader should get a minimum ten year sentence doing hard labor. That’ll cut down on this bs. And we should treat our law enforcement better than we do. I’m sick of hearing about exaggerated and false claims of police brutality. I have friends who are cops who could tell you stories of police brutality where the cop gets hurt by some drugged up sob.

        And I have known old timers who used to ruff up rapists and child molesters. It puts these creeps on notice and cuts back on crime. Legal or not, it made common sense. In the old days, a pimp, who trafficked a white woman could count on an automatic beat down. Guess what? The pimp business was a lot less common. So, we are getting the results of our sensitivity training and multi-cultural policing. It is worse for criminals who now get shot instead of beat up, and victims of crime, as well as the police.


        • Because of rampant unconstitutional asset forfeiture laws, cops break in to more homes than anyone else. There were 80,000 SWAT raids last year. Cop->?

          • That asset forfeiture garbage is really unreal and I cannot believe that mess is supposedly “LEGAL”. If that is truly legal, then I am Santa Clause and Rudolph is currently under my desk sucking me dry!

            • Down Rudolph down!

              • Rudolph the Brown-nosed reindeer.

                • Yea, Rudolph brown nosed Santa to get his job

            • The Cops steal more in Asset Forfeiture scams, than criminals steal annually. That’s a fact. Try carrying 20K in cash on Hwy 5 in TN.


              • Bob’s yer uncle, they probably get away with a lot more than that. Extorsion, anyone?

        • Yep
          Big dogs
          When my sisters dog died
          2 days later while her and her husband was at work their house got broke into and tons of stuff stolen

          My dogs will let you in , they won’t let you out
          I’ve trained them to whisper
          Or bark on my command
          As long as they arnt shot to death
          Someone would be running out of there bleeding like a stick pig

          • Stuck , dam phone

            • “Please hold for next available dispatcher.” Then-> dial tone.? That is the same as permission to use your 375 H&H magnum with 300 grain Nosler partitions. Try out your new lion loads.

              • Note: lion ? loads from a 375 H&H magnum also work on panthers? 4000ft-lbs of bone crunching, barrier penetrating fire power. And it doesn’t kick too bad. I used to use a Weatherby 340 magnum but it was a little much on over penetration and ammonia cost too much to stock.

          • Stick I says? Dangerous dogs are a liability. I just sit down with my small dogs and I tell them, “look ok, I need 2seconds warning of bad guys. After you bark just go hide and I will do the rest.”

            • Oh, and my dogs already know they need to hold their ears closed, those muzzle brakes on lion guns are LOUD.

        • Agree: the IRA back in the day used to have a quick solution for drug dealers who were peddling to the working class: they would knee cap them. That sent a clear message out to anyone thinking of dealing drugs.

          The ONLY reason black punks freely peddle drugs on the streets in big cities is because the police are the ones who protect THEM. If the police weren’t spending so much time upholding political correctness, you can be damn sure hard left/hard right groups and even organised crime would have taken those punks out a long, long time ago. The Thin Blue Line to protect the black slime.

          • Yes, you are right. Criminals have rights, victims don’t

          • FT, the cops have been forced to handle black thugs with kid gloves because of BS from Civil Rights Division at DOJ under Holder and Lynch. That’s supposedly going to change now under Sessions, We’ll see.

        • B from CA, I don’t follow any of that PC crap or any restrictions on self-defense. Do what’s necessary to get out of a situation alive and don’t worry about any legal issues.

      10. You have the advantages living in the city, but you pay for it. People you move out of city do so to live cheaper with no city taxes but pay higher protection for fire, garbage pickup and safety. Most likely travel back and forth to city for work and shopping. Massive traffic and higher gas usage. Closer neighbors in city is an advantage if you have good neighbors. Depending on the city you live and the crime rate there, you are better off to stay unless crime is a big problem.

      11. Get a gun. Shoot the F–er. Forget the cop’s. Call the Coroner. Cop’s have no obligation to protect you. They are there for civil disobedience and to protect politicians.

        • Hell, the coroner of EMT did not even cum out to see Justice Scalia. They don’t care if the deep state kills someone?.

      12. Is only a matter of time when we all will have to go to frontier justice.

        Everyone will either carry a rifle, shotgun, or pistol.

        If the politicians try to take them away well good luck, and you better go run and hide in your forts, and surround yourselves with body guards.

        In short THE TRIBES WILL BE ANGRY………

        Because news flash Mr. and Ms. Politician people are tired of being victims, I am sure a lot of people would rather not have to carry a firearm BUT WE LIVE IN A DANGEROUS WORLD !!!! SO YOU LEAVE US WITH NO CHOICE !!!!!

        A public service message, WE THE PEOPLE APPROVE THIS MESSAGE.
        Brought to you by COMMON SENSE, WE ARE TIRED OF THIS SHIT.

        • If you call someone after you shoot a perp, just claim you are Hitlery and the Feds will send a clean up crew? To hide the evidence.

        • Getting Real. Thanks for a great post. I think the big city attitudes of New York and Los Angeles are sending the defend-yourself citizens somewhere else = leaving a lot of victims living in those cities. People should thank their lucky stars if they reside near a gun owner – the criminals don’t know which house is armed.

        • Getting Real, let me add black civil rights activists and other apoligists for criminals out there..

      13. He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword. He who lives by the AK-47 can die of old age if he kills enough m*therf*ckers before they kill him! Truly sad! The truth is that when you shoot someone, you are at risk as well. The person you shoot could be a family member or someone who has the legal right to be on your property. Other people may not see the shooting as self defense. It really should be the last resort! D*mn it!

      14. I bet if you called and said you put two rounds through his skull they woulda been there post haste

        • Haha yep if they think it is over then the cops at least will speed up to the speed limit of 35 mph. But tip for the day: if you hide behind a 2 foot by 4 foot piece of 1/4″ ar500 plate then it will stop most incoming rounds. But if you have a 308 win or bigger you can shoot out through the steel to hit the bad guy without having to peek out to expose yourself. Noisy though.

      15. I had called cops to my house over attacking pit bull dog that my son shot and killed. When one of them entered my house, he felt the need to point out a shotgun standing in corner by my sofa. I told him yeah, if someone comes through that door I will shoot them. He said no more. The dog had been shot with a Glock 17 9×19. You’re going to have to protect yourself, can’t count on anyone else to do it.

      16. Isn’t it nice to know that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away?

        • nothing new, always been that way

          dam good reason for our 2nd amendment

      17. They have to respond when you say shots fired. They will most likely show up when its safe for them to do so.

      18. Little old lady called 911 and said “there was a man in her house”, and dispatch asked her if he was armed and she said “NO” She was told that “it would be about 20 minutes before the cops go there, because they were tied up on other calls”. The little old lady said “she just shot him”. 30 seconds later three squads showed up. The Cops came rushing in and asked where he was and she told them he left. They did asked to see the gun, because she shot him. She told them that she lied. The cop said you lied to us, she replied “just like did when told me it would be 20 minutes before you got here”. (I’m no EPPE God Rest his Soul).

        Most people don’t realize that there are time when you have one cop patrolling a 50 to 100 mile square area and it takes time going balls out to get to a location. Even if you call for assistance from another agency it can take them up to 30+ minutes to get to you.

        Here is just a sample as to what can and does happen.

        Where I work I’m on the county line between two large counties, and about 6 miles from the nearest town. I had a APB put telling us that there was a vehicle with two subject pointing an AK 47 out the window of the vehicle. Given the license number and description of the car it came through my town. (Just my luck) I pulled it over and by the time I got the two out of the vehicle and had them cuffed the first unit from the near by town arrived then with in seconds I had two units from the two Counties. It took around 5 minutes to get the suspects out of the and secure them. Oh and by the way they did have a fully loaded AK 47 (semi auto) in the vehicle. And all I had was my USP 45. After that day I also pack my M4 AR 15.


        • Most people don’t realize that there are time when you have one cop patrolling a 50 to 100 mile square area and it takes time going balls out to get to a location. Even if you call for assistance from another agency it can take them up to 30+ minutes to get to you.

          And this right here, is why self defense is your personal responsibility

          shit happens so fast , cops dont have the time to even get close

          own a weapon , know how to use it , train and keep training

          be the one who chooses whos body gets the chalk lines drawn around it !

          • EotS
            Amen my friend Amen!


      19. This is why i sleep with my piece,,,, and i dont sleep all that well

        • Up to our necks in a cold civil war , they(libs) mistake our patience as fear.
          There are many of us waiting for them to start it

          Be ready

          • If you want them to feel pain then break their jaw but if you need a knockout then use a powerful overhand blow to the top of the head. But don’t slam the perp too hard or she may never wake up. I used “she” to be politically correct?.

        • I usually sleep with my piece too but she is visiting her relatives.

        • NB,

          Brings back memories of a time in the jungles it never left my side, even while sleeping!

      20. I live an hour and a half east of Dallas, things have been getting bad in dfw for a few years now, the more liberal the city becomes the worse the violent crime becomes seems like every day there has been a shooting or 3 for the past few months. The local news has been filled with murder/suicides, cops shooting innocent people, school attacks and robbers being shot. Hell it’s worse in dfw this year than Houston.

      21. This is so WRONG!!

        We’re All Tenant Farmers: Oregon Plans to Douse Azure Standard Organic Farm in Pesticide

        “If you buy organic products, chances are you have heard of Azure Standard, which is sort of like a mobile co-op that delivers well-priced organic food and products in bulk to drop-off points around the country.

        Now that idyllic 2000-acre organic farm, which has produced reasonably priced organic wheat, field peas, barley, Einkorn, and beef for thousands of people across the country, is about to be sprayed against their will with Roundup and other harmful pesticides, due to a ruling from their local municipality about invasive plants.

        Oregon state law requires farms to control noxious weeds. In this case, the weed in question is the Canadian Thistle. Sherman County appears to be concerned that Azure has not taken enough steps to eradicate the weed and decided they’ll do it themselves, to the detriment of Azure’s long-standing, 18-year organic certification and their livelihood as organic farmers.”

        ht tp://www.theorganicprepper.ca/an-oregon-county-govt-plans-to-douse-azure-standards-organic-farm-in-pesticide-05122017

          • Thank you for sharing this direct web link KY Mom.

        • Our state legislature just passed a law that says state and local “authorities” can come on to any property anywhere to control any invasive species or pest,,, i can hardly wait

          • Sounds like they better clarify that
            Someone could view them as the invasive species
            Such that they are

            • Notice how each of my sentences started with the letter “S”

              Shut up

          • Nail,
            Which law was that?
            The advantage we have is there
            is no money to enforce it.

            • that’s one nice thing about living on a bankrupt island,
              huh, guys?
              State and local authorities do nothing here.
              (Except steal)

      22. June 16, 2016 Supreme Court Ruling: Police Have No Duty to Protect the General Public

        However, did you know that the government, and specifically law enforcement, does not have any duty to protect the general public? Based on the headline and this information, you might assume this is a new, landmark decision. However, it has long been the court’s stance that, essentially, the American people are responsible for taking case of their own personal safety.


        Aug 21, 2016 Just Say No: Don’t Federalize Local Police!

        Some people want you to think that the solution to problems with police is to get the federal government more involved. But they’ve got things completely backwards.


      23. I’m really thinking the guy robbed likely could not own a gun, perhaps because of prior legal entanglements. I mean. This was Texas right? Well I suppose even Texas has stupid mentally ill liberals.

        I understand that Texas has a law that says if you use a firearm to stop a violent crime where lives are saved, but possessed or carried that firearm illegally, you can’t be prosecuted for the weapon. Correct me if I’m wrong.

        • “I understand that Texas has a law that says if you use a firearm to stop a violent crime where lives are saved, but possessed or carried that firearm illegally, you can’t be prosecuted for the weapon. Correct me if I’m wrong.”

          I am unsure as to whether or not that is correct.

          What I can say is that a couple of weeks ago, an incident took place in an Arlington, TX sports bar/grill where a guy came in and shot one of the employees. Another bar patron who was a CHL holder and armed, shot the assailant and killed him. The police called the CHL holder a hero and claimed that he saved other lives as the result of his actions.

          This is interesting, because in Texas…if an establishment has more than 50% of its sales in alcohol, it is illegal for patrons to have a handgun in possession while on the property….even if they have a CHL. The penalty is up to 10 years in prison.

          In the above situation, there has been no mention of prosecuting the guy who shot the assailant…..even though it is safe to assume that they were in a 51% sports bar.

          Personally, I won’t take the risk of entering such a place while armed. I just don’t care to risk becoming a convicted felon.

          But I do find it interesting that the guy in this situation was not arrested and the police even went so far as to call him a hero.

          I will say this as well…..at least for my local PD, the attitude of every officer I have come across there has been very pro-gun when it comes to citizens carrying. When I applied for my CHL, I got a big thumbs up from the officer who did my fingerprints for the application.

          For the most part…..we do look at things a bit differently here in Texas.

      24. Great,now you have to wait a hour and twenty seven minutes for the police to outline your body on home floor with chalk,hell,your corpse is getting pretty cooled down by then!

        No matter what the laws say or your past is,get a firearm!Learn how to use it and realize better to be alive and deal with law violations possibly then dead but being law abiding!

        • Warchild, that time in 2015 when my home was burglarized I only had to wait 3 HOURS for PD to arrive simply because I had to file a stolen weapons report per TN law. 5 handguns taken from my home was no laughing matter, especially when one of the guns was one I had just recently purchased and never even had a chance to test out at the range. Had I been there when the perps showed up they would’ve NEVER gotten inside, not without getting wasted.

      25. In 1988, I lived on Capitol Hill (Washington, DC) for a grand total of two months. My roommate and I had a basement apartment, and she called 911 in the middle of the night because she heard some drunk guys outside talking about busting down our front door, because they knew some girls lived there. Of course DC had unconstitutional gun laws and so we were defenseless.
        It’s now 29 years later… and the DC police STILL haven’t shown up.
        That’s one of the reasons (there were more!) why I immediately moved across the Potomac to Virginia, where I then lived for the next 20 years. I once had occasion to call 911 there, too: the police literally arrived before I had hung up the phone, no joke. Not that I was too worried, because Virginia was a huge fan of the Second Amendment.

        • The cops were prolly the crooks outside. Prompt service. D.C. Is the murder capital

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      27. If you do kill a home invader and find yourself facing a liberal judge and jury, blame it on “global climate change”. The liberals are blaming everything on that. Might actually work.

        • I will, the climate got too hot for that perp.

      28. Just four days ago I taught a late 70s age woman how to shoot. The Ruger .357 she was sold was way too much gun for her that she couldn’t fire it without two fingers on the trigger and effectively use it one handed. I opted for a 3″ S&W Model 63 Kit Gun. I know a .22 but an 8 shot .22 that she can fire right or left handed and keep it in a 6″ center mass at 16ft double action and reasonably fast. The cylinder traveling less made the trigger pull possible for her single hand, its weight not too heavy gave it practically zero recoil. She ordered two of them, one for upstairs one for down along with two thumb print security boxes as she has a cleaning lady and grandchildren.

        • Double barrel 12 gauge has I lighter trigger

          • She is a small woman. She needs something hand held.

            • I’m very disappointed at the self defense choices in 20 gauge shotgun. I’ve shopped for something all family members could handle and 20 gauge is a very effective round. I have a 12 gauge semi auto with low velocity LEO ammo, it’s easy for me to handle, but not for my better half. I’d love to see a manufacturer come out with a Benelli style recoil actuated semi auto 20 gauge that holds 6 + 1. Why semi? It reduces recoil and improves accuracy.

              My better half also has trouble racking my full sized handguns. A SIG Sauer .380 pocket pistol like a P238 is very easy to rack, so it’s on the Christmas list.

        • I made ammo for a 95# lady for her .357 (husbands service pistol) using .38 special cases, 88 grain .380 bullets (.356) and 4 grains of green dot. Kicks like a .22 and is very accurate. Just give another turn on the crimp die and it works great. Lead 102 gr .380 with 3.5 gr of green dot works great for training too.

          • Her single hand was not strong enough to effectively fire double action nor cock the Ruger with one hand. The arc on the S&W 62 being a .22 with 8 shot cylinder was less hence reduced trigger pull. Its what worked for her and she has a high degree of comfort with it. Witnessing her shooting I also have a high degree of comfort in her ability to now defend herself. Eight .22s in maybe 8 seconds or so in a 6″ circle center mass at 15 ft is sufficient. I assume in crisis it would be faster and less accurate but a couple of them in there hitting main plumbing will put and end to the confrontation.

      29. Good advice to her Kevin2.

        Having a badass magnum does you no good if you can’t hit with it. It will just get taken away and used on you.

        People underestimate the .22LR. It may not stop someone dead in their tracks, but 8 rounds center of mass will insure that that they don’t walk away from the encounter either.

        • If she put those rounds in that area at the speed I had her do it that threat is stopped. Hit the main pump or associated large piping and within 5 seconds or less blood pressure drops enough that they pass out and will probably bleed out within a minute. Hit the spinal cord and its immediate. A .22 hitting a rib tends to have a mind of its own flattening out and ending up far outside of its expected path. Multiply that by 8. I had her shoot right and left handed and told her if her arm is pinned in the door shoot through the door. If there on you hold the gun to their torso and unload it in them. Bill Jordan or Elmer Keith said the best handgun is the biggest one you can handle. For her in my opinion its a .22. The S&W Model 63 had the right size and capacity with very high quality.

      30. Anonymous5, damn right. I own several .22LRs and love them. .22LR was made for extreme accuracy. I can agree with anyone who says it’s better to have something more powerful but a .22LR will still get the job done if it’s all you have. It’s damn sure better than nothing. I’ve heard it said that more people have been shot with .22LR than any other caliber. I’d love to see a study to back that up. .22LR was also used for assassinations in Vietnam. Get yourself shot with a .22LR and see what kind of day you have afterward.

        • CCI makes a 22LR hollow point that travels at about 1400 fps. That’s screaming fast.
          I think its only something like 32 grain, but still…

          • Crappenstix, I know the round you’re talking about. It’s 36 grain. CCI and Aguilla are my 2 favorite brands of .22LR. Never had any trouble with them.


      32. At 1600 meters the .338 Lapua Mag. at 1000 meters the .300 Win Mag at 400 meters 5.56 up close and personal 12 Ga. Inside the house 9mm with threaded barrel and a good friend on the land next door with 20 pigs. I have a range card for every part of my land from my hidey hole. You did see anything, it wasn’t me and you can’t prove a thing.

        • I don’t get it southern, are you just uninformed. You could replace that whole arsenal with one good 375 H&H magnum.

      33. My neighbor witnessed someone trying to break into my apartment while using a screwdriver to pop the deadbolt. I came home from work about 10 minutes after he scared them off. I called the police at 4:00 pm because my neighbor had a positive ID of the two “perps” and we figured they would be able to deal with them accordingly.

        A cop showed up at my apartment at 1 a.m., possibly due to a donutfest?. Never talked to my neighbor. Never followed up. To protect and to serve . . .

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