Obama Approves Substantial Expansion of Terrorist Watch Lists: “Concrete Facts Are Not Necessary”

by | Jul 24, 2014 | Headline News | 193 comments

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    nsa-operations-center(Pictured: National Security Agency Operations Center. Photo credit NSA.)

    Amid an outcry from Americans criticizing the Obama Administration over the possibility that terrorists may be among the tens of thousands of illegal immigrants entering the United States without documentation, the Department of Homeland Security has instead turned its scrutiny on American citizens.

    The Obama administration has quietly approved a substantial expansion of the terrorist watchlist system, authorizing a secret process that requires neither “concrete facts” nor “irrefutable evidence” to designate an American or foreigner as a terrorist, according to a key government document obtained by The Intercept.

    The “March 2013 Watchlisting Guidance,” a 166-page document issued last year by the National Counterterrorism Center, spells out the government’s secret rules for putting individuals on its main terrorist database, as well as the no fly list and the selectee list, which triggers enhanced screening at airports and border crossings. The new guidelines allow individuals to be designated as representatives of terror organizations without any evidence they are actually connected to such organizations, and it gives a single White House official the unilateral authority to place “entire categories” of people the government is tracking onto the no fly and selectee lists. It broadens the authority of government officials to “nominate” people to the watchlists based on what is vaguely described as “fragmentary information.”

    The Intercept


    The recently declassified Watchlisting Guidance rule book issued in 2013 and developed by members of 19 law enforcement agencies that include the FBI, NSA, CIA, and NSA, outlines the rules for placing individuals, including American citizens, on the various watch lists currently in use. As noted by The Intercept, the rules, much like America’s secretive anti-terrorism laws, are vague and often contradict each other.

    It reveals a confounding and convoluted system filled with exceptions to its own rules, and it relies on the elastic concept of “reasonable suspicion” as a standard for determining whether someone is a possible threat.

    Because the government tracks “suspected terrorists” as well as “known terrorists,” individuals can be watchlisted if they are suspected of being a suspected terrorist, or if they are suspected of associating with people who are suspected of terrorism activity.

    “Instead of a watchlist limited to actual, known terrorists, the government has built a vast system based on the unproven and flawed premise that it can predict if a person will commit a terrorist act in the future,” says Hina Shamsi, the head of the ACLU’s National Security Project. “On that dangerous theory, the government is secretly blacklisting people as suspected terrorists and giving them the impossible task of proving themselves innocent of a threat they haven’t carried out.”

    The guidelines for who is or is not a terrorist are now so vague that any American could potentially be added to a list for something as menial as knowing someone who has committed an activity deemed to be of terrorist nature. And as has been highlighted previously, those activities could range from making a hand gesture that looks like a gun or manufacturing your own gold and silver coins.

    The newly expanded guidelines have completely redefined terrorism, turning even innocuous crimes or suspicions of crimes into activity that is now equivalent to traditional terrorist activities such as bombings and hijackings.

    The document’s definition of “terrorist” activity includes actions that fall far short of bombing or hijacking. In addition to expected crimes, such as assassination or hostage-taking, the guidelines also define destruction of government property and damaging computers used by financial institutions as activities meriting placement on a list. They also define as terrorism any act that is “dangerous” to property and intended to influence government policy through intimidation.

    This combination—a broad definition of what constitutes terrorism and a low threshold for designating someone a terrorist—opens the way to ensnaring innocent people in secret government dragnets.

    What’s even more mindboggling than the actual crimes and activities for which an American can now be designated a terrorist are the rules for how law enforcement agencies are supposed to place names on the watchlists.

    The heart of the document revolves around the rules for placing individuals on a watchlist. “All executive departments and agencies,” the document says, are responsible for collecting and sharing information on terrorist suspects with the National Counterterrorism Center. It sets a low standard—”reasonable suspicion“—for placing names on the watchlists, and offers a multitude of vague, confusing, or contradictory instructions for gauging it. In the chapter on “Minimum Substantive Derogatory Criteria”—even the title is hard to digest—the key sentence on reasonable suspicion offers little clarity:

    “To meet the REASONABLE SUSPICION standard, the NOMINATOR, based on the totality of the circumstances, must rely upon articulable intelligence or information which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrants a determination that an individual is known or suspected to be or has been knowingly engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to TERRORISM and/or TERRORIST ACTIVITIES.”

    The rulebook makes no effort to define an essential phrase in the passage—”articulable intelligence or information.” After stressing that hunches are not reasonable suspicion and that “there must be an objective factual basis” for labeling someone a terrorist, it goes on to state that no actual facts are required:

    “In determining whether a REASONABLE SUSPICION exists, due weight should be given to the specific reasonable inferences that a NOMINATOR is entitled to draw from the facts in light of his/her experience and not on unfounded suspicions or hunches. Although irrefutable evidence or concrete facts are not necessary, to be reasonable, suspicion should be as clear and as fully developed as circumstances permit.”

    While the guidelines nominally prohibit nominations based on unreliable information, they explicitly regard “uncorroborated” Facebook or Twitter posts as sufficient grounds for putting an individual on one of the watchlists.

    According to the rule book, no actual evidence or concrete facts of wrong doing are required. In fact, according to the rules, even a single White House administration member can, for whatever reason they choose, add entire categories of people, including family members, friends and associates of suspected individuals, to a watch list.

    It gives a single White House official the unilateral authority to elevate entire “categories of people” whose names appear in the larger databases onto the no fly or selectee lists. This can occur, the guidelines state, when there is a “particular threat stream” indicating that a certain type of individual may commit a terrorist act.

    This means that you merely knowing someone, whether in person or in a virtual space like social media networks, could lead to you being placed on a terror watchlist.

    In a previous article we facetiously opined that at the rate at which terror watchlists have been expanded since 2003, the number of people on the lists will exceed the U.S. population by 2019. The new rules implemented under the watchful eye of the Obama administration suggest that such a possibility is no longer a joking matter.

    Though Americans who have been added to terror watchlists are currently faced with the inconvenience of restricted travel on public transportation systems and increased government scrutiny into their personal lives, how long before government officials start rounding up suspects, or those suspected of being suspects, under anti-terrorism laws like the Patriot Act? Under those guidelines, as well as those outlined in the National Defense Authorization Act, not only can American citizens be held without charge or trial indefinitely for mere suspicion of terrorist activities, but so too can they be assassinated by drone strikes or other government action.

    Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin couldn’t have dreamed of the power that currently resides in the hands of the U.S. government and its subordinate agencies.

    Editor’s Note: If you’re reading this or have shared it with others, or if you are suspected of knowing somebody who is suspected of reading this or sharing it with others, you may now be on a terror watchlist.

    Full report at The Intercept
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      1. FreeSlave

        “In determining whether a REASONABLE SUSPICION exists, due weight should be given to the specific reasonable inferences that a NOMINATOR is entitled to draw from the facts in light of his/her experience and not on unfounded suspicions or hunches.”

        Can folks nominate Barack Obama as a terrorist of the American people?

        • Anonymous

          This “rulebook” is totally insane… Why would the government need such a list?

          Firs they’ll restrict our travel and lock us all in with no way out. Then they’ll start rounding people up.

          I can’t help but think that the purpose here is for an eventual culling of the herd… All enemies of the state will be eliminated… and that’s going to be in the multiple millions of people.

          Insanity. That is truly what this is.

          • OutWest

            I never amounted to much in life,
            so at least I now have a title.

            • Gods Creation

              “””in preparation for, or related to TERRORISM and/or TERRORIST ACTIVITIES.”””

              We are all preparing for a terrorist attack, perpetrated by those who wish to label us as terrorist while they are posing as a “government”.

              Fact is, EVERY “free” American has been documented and placed on the list by one license or another, while those undocumented “illegals” are not. Because these “illegals” are not documented, they are invisible to the fictional corp which recognizes nothing but it’s own paper.

              I only hope I can come up with one of the government terror lists when I run out of toilet paper. At least then it would serve a legitimate purpose.

              • COBeach

                Looks like none of us will ever fly again. Big loss.

                • Be informed

                  Guilty till proven innocent. Expect nothing more from a government run rampant and run by fools that still have yet to figure out that the people are the bosses.

                  • Muddy

                    Instead of talking about the Watchlisting document and your interpretation of it, why not make it available so we can read it for ourselves?

                  • Smokey

                    Not to mention, let’s see an example of an ordinary person, owns a few guns, goes on prepping blogs but isn’t a ranting chest thumper, maybe donates to the NRA or some such thing, who is on the list as a result of any of those activities.

                  • Anonymous

                    I’m sorry people, but you better get ready for Apocalypse. It is coming our way very soon.

                    From RT news:
                    “The stockpiling of supplies is just a step short of a permanent massive deployment of foreign NATO troops in Poland. The alliance says it is needed for a rapid response to a Russian incursion, although Russian generals would probably view this as a possible preparation for a blitzkrieg attack on Russia.

                    Moscow considers the build-up of NATO troops in Europe as part of a hostile policy aimed at placing the alliance’s military resources closer to its borders.

                    Russia’s current military doctrine allows the use of all weapons in its possession, including tactical nuclear weapons, in response to a conventional force attack on Russia”.

                  • clinthospo

                    The real question is do these political members think they are going to remain safe after the dust is in the air? I’m afraid you traitors who created this will have to decide what you have done and how your money will do nothing for certain groups of people. You may have your playbook and what your “intel” says or what the masses are telling you, but I think once you release this beast you will be no way safe in this mess unless you literally fly out of the country on some island working remotely in which things are not going to go as planned like you think it will. Yes millions of people will die but this in my opinion will cause the country to be divided up even more and your power will be gone. People will overcome this whole mess and you will be booted out or dead is my opinion what will happen. Your going to have to target about oh id say about millions of people you assholes. Ain’t gonna happen.

                • Wilson

                  Does public transportation system = state and federal highways?
                  Smokin Okie is in the top ten on this list!!!!!!!! (sarcasm)

                  McLovin, maybe you could nominate your EX????

                • PO'd patriot

                  Where the badge with honor! It means you ain’t nuthin’ like ’em and are a polar world apart. If they trifle with you, waste them.

                • drclean

                  I wonder if Bill Ayres is on this list. as he is a known terrorist that has destroyed government property

                  • Calgagus

                    drclean, Ayers aint on the terrorist list but that kindergardener who ate his Poptart into the shape of a gun is.

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                There are NO Terrorist, just Freedom Fighters.
                Some fighting for Freedom, and the others fighting to take away your Freedoms.

              • Anonymous

                World’s fourth most populous city (Lagos)now has victim from Ebola… as he was getting off plane, he fell ill. And so, it spreads to another country. (Lagos, Nigeria!!!) And if someone on the plane contracted Ebola from him and then flew to the United States?

              • Shootit

                These a holes do not realize that someone has to feed them. Maybe they do with all the influx of workers?

                • sixpack

                  Illegal immigrants are just as susceptible to DEATH as the rest of us, if not more so.

            • wrong

              obungler can suck my a$$hole

              • PO'd patriot

                He probably would if you can grant him some extra tee time.

                • PO'd patriot

                  Nah, I was gonna say something about a mixed mutt playing golf, but then there’s Tiger Woody so I decided against it.

                  • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

                    At least we know Tiger is straight!

                • wrong

                  He could tee up right here on my property. I’ll give him a one hole head start.

                  • sixpack


              • Wink

                Wrong, your wright…

                You’d be standing on a mighty long line.

            • CWinOR

              I think “American Insurgent” has a nice ring to it…

              • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

                I, for one would be honored to take that title. The aristocracy can keep theirs; makes them easier to find.

                As an aside, how about a Patriot’s deck of cards with the most wanted elites likenesses on them. Obama and Moochelle could be the King and Queen of Spades, and Eric “dick” Holder could be the Ace of Spades. Bernanke could be the Joker, and Pelosi and Feinstein could be the King and Queen of Hearts. Or better yet, introduce a fifth suit, the Dykes.

                Maybe arrange for an underground printer to produce these by the millions, distribute them surreptitiously on military bases, schoolyards, union meetings, and federal offices. Humor can be a powerful tool to break the moral of the enemy!

                • the renegade braveheart

                  Moon, I already wear that title with pride and honor. I’d be glad to have you at my side. I like your ideas for the cards.

                  • Tacoma

                    BH be careful of taking sides with the unknown.Moon has not been on the site long enough to make a positive decision as to where she is really coming from.She may be great with words but so is satan.You do not have to look any farther than the White house for tha conformation.

                • tishie

                  The Dykes of Hazard indeed!

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Hear this: This Government is Now put on Notice. Do your Job, or you will be soon replaced.

            • Billy Hill

              Replaced by what? You know damned well there are more useless idiots out there voting early and often for the next free fone or paid mortgage.

              We’re outnumbered by a LOT and no amount of “getting out the vote” is going to help US. The USA, as we knew it, is gone. Forever.

              And it’s not coming back…

              • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

                Yes, the time is rapidly approaching when the only vote that will matter will be the one cast with the cartridge box. “Vote early, vote often” will offset the hordes of obamaphone voters, and the campaign slogan of choice will be “Come and take them!”

                • the renegade braveheart

                  Moon, I’ll be voting with my “ventilation equipment”. Yes, the ballot box has failed, the whole rotten system will collapse. the cartridge box is our nation’s only hope now.

                • Tacoma

                  How many boxes of cartridges do you truthful have.

                  • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

                    I have enough. Truthfully, I see little point in stockpiling thousands of rounds of ammo; if I need those quanties then I am already screwed… No doubt you have heard the quote regarding giving a man a fish vs teaching him to fish. I learned how to make my own ammo including components; I have one firearm which I make every component myself including case, bullet, lube, primer, and powder. This is extreme but by having one firearm for which I can manufacture every component from scratch, I will be able to procure with a little effort, another more modern firearm with ammo should need arise. I liken this to the Liberator pistol of WWII, a single shot .45 cal weapon that was intended to relieve the unwary soldier of his more capable weapon. I also keep a kinetic bullet puller which is just a fancy hammer that allows me to disassemble any ammunition which I come across into their basic components which I may then repurpose for calibers which I possess.

                    So to answer your original question, I have sufficient to ensure that I will never be without.

            • durango kidd

              A Federal Court has recently ruled that a “No Fly List” is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, illegally limiting Americans their right to freely travel.

              The US Constitution is OUR most powerful weapon against those who seek to enslave US.

              Defend it with your life, if necessary. It is unlikely that there will ever be a Document like it if WE allow this one to be confiscated.

              Engage! 🙂

              • Navy Vet

                Since when has the Obozo lead .gov obeyed any law or court interpretation of a law that it didn’t like?

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  All of this is by design to keep is living in fear. The only thing to fear, is our Government thats run by Lunatics.

                • durango kidd

                  Navy vet: Know your rights and insist upon them! If they are violated, sue the bastards. The jury of your peers will reward you generously for defending our rights if the recent 23 Billion dollar smoking judgement is any indicator.

                  Make it your retirement plan. Just saying. In every crisis there is an opportunity. 🙂

              • John W.

                Justice Kennedy has just declared the Constitution seriously flawed and damn near invalid. Since he took an oath to honor and protect it while drawing a huge salary and other perks maybe he should resign since he no longer believes in the fundamental document on which all the law he decides on is based.

              • Breathial

                》》The US Constitution is OUR most powerful weapon against those who seek to enslave US.《《

                Seriously, get real. The SCOTUS is as compromised and corrupt as the rest of .gov. And because of that, there no longer a peaceful solution available to us.

                Your statement is effectively “we can use the system to stop tyranny. ” My answer to that is “Federal Reserve Act” or the 16th Amendment- two obvious frauds upheld by SCOTUS.

                LICK those boots, kid…

                • durango kidd

                  Breathial: Fuck you asswipe!!! 🙂

              • Barn Cat

                We used to have a Constitution. We don’t anymore.

                • kfilly

                  But we have a fascist with a pen and a phone. All is good. End of sarcasm

            • John W.

              Funny that someone of your limited mental ability would comment like that. One would suspect that you would approve of all the police state tactics.

          • Navy Vet

            .gov writes stuff this when they wouldn’t recognize a real terrorist if one was walking down 5th avenue with with an AK, twelve mags and a bomb strapped to his chest and slapped .gov in the face as the terrorist was walking by . .gov has turned into the laughing stock of the planet. The biggest joke, however, on us, is that we’re actually required to pay for this crap.

          • tired of ny bs

            Obama should be on it since his association with William ayres

          • Plan twice, prep once

            A federal court judge has already found the Government no fly list system to be unconstitutional!

            So the Obama regime it seems has given orders to ignore this Federal courts ruling, and not only do as they please, but expand their illegal program to target more of Obama’s enemies.

            It is obvious DHS is not targeting terrorists, but simply Americans with opinions diverse to the Obama regime, just as the IRS has been found to be attacking conservative Americans illegally.

          • Tucker

            I would ask everyone to recall the speech which was given a few years ago by the despicably evil dual-citizen Israeli jew, Rahm Emanuel – wherein he was telling an audience full of totalitarian Communists that he wanted to link the ‘no fly’ list to a new law that would mandate that anyone who was placed on the ‘no fly’ list would automatically lose their 2nd Amendment rights and be forced to surrender their firearms.

            I would submit to you that this is what is cooking in the back of the pea-sized brains of obongomugabe and his gun smuggling accomplice, Eric Holder.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Watch List? – Sounds like we have Government full of Peeping Toms. This Government needs a Swift Boot in their asses and go protect the border. Don’t worry about us.

          • PO'd patriot

            It best we look to the Peeping Toms as those closer to us like family and neighbors. Not to say the bastard children running the government draw any less scrutiny.

        • Agent Provocatour

          Yea, my thoughts exactly! HEY NSA !!! you guys are on OUR watch list. Don’t think for a seconded that your neighbors don’t know who you are- what you do! There are way more of us then you. No telling how much spit is getting into your restaurant food.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, Agent, we really need to find out who these f– are (NSA people), post their names, etc., so we can put them on OUR (the Peoples) black list! They are Traitors to the People!

            • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

              A good starting point for a Patriot’s Black List would be anyone drawing a federal paycheck. This would also include the servicemember in the Armed Forces; there will soon arrive a moment when they will be forced to choose whether to serve as the modern-day Hessian mercenary elite of King Barack, or to fight the evil as patriots in the New Continental Army. When Americans are ordered by their aristocrat masters to fire live rounds upon other Americans, we will know that moment has arrived.

              After that crossing of the Rubicon has taken place, no one who still takes the King’s Shilling can claim to be innocent; they will be traitors against their fellow Americans, and therefore enemy combatants who may be targeted with impunity. This will not be limited to just soldiers who choose to stay in the service of King Barack, but all civil servants in any capacity whatsoever who take their pay from the Federal government. Lincoln once said “A house divided against itself cannot stand”. This goes to the heart of the issue. We cannot be divided in our loyalties, taking pay and giving service to those who on the other hand are trying to kill patriotic Americans; putting them on lists and dragging them off to execution in the middle of the night. Because anyone who provides service to that adversary, no matter how small, is complicit and is freeing up resources to be used to do evil things to their fellow citizens.

              It would be good to keep these principles in mind when we find ourselves in a real shooting war with the government which has long since ceased to represent us.

              • sixpack

                The only difference between the Patriot’s Blacklist and the Govt’s watchlist, is that most people can get OFF the patriot’s list, by proving where they stand.

                If you can’t get off the list, and the criteria to get on the list could be nothing more than who writes your paycheck, that would mean we’re no better than the govt.

        • oldwhatshisname

          “They also define as terrorism any act that is “dangerous” to property and intended to influence government policy through intimidation.” Well that means mr. obama and his cronies should be on the terrorist list because they are all guilty of intended to influence government policy through intimidation.

        • americantruth

          You said what I was thinking after reading this article. Except…mine was a statement vs question.
          et al
          need to be placed on the list and their travel immediately restricted!

      2. Daytona Matt

        Unless you’re a fully asleep sheep, vote liberal and praise barac, you’re dangerous! Especially, if you’re white, Christian, conservative and dare to have more than two days of food in your pantry, well, it’s that “Special” list for me I guess!
        Standing ready in Daytona

        • VRF

          I wonder if I know you Matt

          do you have a brother named Ron?

          • VRF

            should I take that green thumb as a yes Matt?

            if so please indicate

            • VRF

              does your last name start with a the letter R?
              if its you we’ve known each other most our lives at least since you were in the 8th grade and lived in another much colder state
              if its you, you also have a sister her first name starts with R

              • VRF

                we both own 53 chevy’s yours has 2 less doors then mine , they are both black ( at least mine still is)
                ive put a 327 V8 in mine and a TH350 auto trans and open drive line to a 10bolt chevy rear end

                • Daytona Matt

                  No, I’m sorry brother. Only child & have lived in Daytona all my life. I do have to say that your ride sounds nice though! Be safe my friend!
                  Standing ready in Daytona

                  • VRF

                    Well it was a long shot , I woulda guessed that my friends bother would be “awake” too
                    And you type like he sounds and he lives in Ocala which is near Daytona so , guess I was just hopeful
                    Mans gotta have hobbies , such the reason for my guns and cars
                    Peace be with you brother

                  • jerrytbg

                    This is too much for this old dog… lol…

                    I’m reading this over at BIN not looking at who the author was and thought, who wrote this?

                    Immediately came here when I saw Mac’s name at the top…

                    Started reading the posts and saw you two going back and forth with an innocuous train of thought…then thought that someone who has the power Mac’s talking about would think you two were talking in code…hahahaha

                    I almost spit out my after dinner coffee…. 🙂

                • the renegade braveheart

                  VRF, you bring back memories for me with those kind of wheels. My first ride was a 64 Chevy II Nova 2-door post coupe, straight 6 with 3-on-the-tree I bought for only $300. I was going to convert it to a 327 and 4-speed but it was totaled out by a U-Haul truck before that could happen. Had I been able to avoid that and do the conversion, that Nova would’ve flown the coop. Been a Chevy man myself all along.

                  • sixpack

                    Ford, Chevy, Mopar, I like ’em all as long as they’re strong and fast…


        • David

          Hey Matt,

          We are with you 100%. I just cranked out 700 more .40s so the rest of the couple thousand I have stashed won’t be lonesome!!!!

        • Anonymous

          A LOT of “liberals” are on the list, as well, Daytonna! Stop trying to divide the people- that is how they have been able to conquer us! I have never considered myself conservative, yet I’ve been told by a friend they are sure I’m on the List… the fact that I come to this site everyday makes me a “terrorist”.

          Naomi Wolfe is on the list. (She wrote, “Letter to a Young Patriot” and “Give me Liberty”). She says everytime she flies, she is pulled aside and told she is on their list. I’m sure Chris Hedges (more of a liberal than a conservative) is on the list– he sued Obummer over the NDAA… basically, you need to stop trying to divide us citizens.. there is only us (the 99%) and the corrupt-as-hell-elites (the 1%).

        • Just Me

          And if you’re a vet, live rural, have a garden (order any pressure cookers recently?), have a Ron Paul bumper sticker, and perhaps home-school your kids — you get triple bonus points.

          So Ma and Pa Kettle are now terrorists! LMAO, for real?
          It’s just so surreal to me. I mean how can they take this *hit seriously? I can’t.

          • sixpack

            “order any pressure cookers recently?”

            I knew I forgot something…

      3. DonkeyPuncher

        “the guidelines also define destruction of government property and damaging computers used by financial institutions as activities meriting placement on a list. They also define as terrorism any act that is “dangerous” to property and intended to influence government policy through intimidation.” Hmmm… Sounds to me like Lois Lerner and her lackies should be on this list!

        • VRF

          “Sounds to me like Lois Lerner and her lackies should be on this list!”

          you beat me to it

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          I used to do a lot of Flying for trips the last few decades. The last few years back, I started getting disgusted going through and standing in airport lines for the Pre-flight TSA molestation. I even flew with my mother that year, and had to witness my mother who had a hip replacement and cancer with a breast removed, and was wearing a fake breast. She was pulled aside and man handled by the TSA and felt up in that area during their pre-flight molestation- semi-rape process. I was so disgusted witnessing that, at the human degradation and her embarrassment and humiliation. I could care less if I ever fly again. So they can take their No fly list and shove it.

      4. Sgt. Dale

        I already know I’m on the list.
        White Male
        Own Firearms
        NRA Member
        Tea party Member
        Worked for a living, work Part time now.
        Baby Boomer ready to collect on S.S.

        Expand the watch list my ass. This is so some of his gay buddies can get their jollies.

        There is no reasonable suspicion other than you are one of the above. They are just trying to get us ready for the take down.

        At an airport can you give me one reason to check Granny in a wheel chair that they provide. This is all B.S. he knows we are getting wise to his SHIT and are to the point that we are not going to take it any more.

        I’M SICK OF ALL THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


        • VRF

          were ALL on the list

          • Sgt. Dale

            If I’m on the list with you I would consider it an HONOR!

            • VRF

              I feel the same way Dale

              If I have to be on a “list” than this is the list I want to be on

              I think its really a who to fear list and for all the right reasons they should fear us

              • Sgt. Dale

                DAMN STRAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                They know that there days are numbered with all the B.S. they are pulling. One more order from this Turd we have in the white house and I’m going to scream!!!
                One order I would like him to sign is. Him to leave the country for good!!!

                • VRF

                  oh , he will probably leave the US but only after he completely destroys it.
                  he wouldnt want to live in the shit he’s made

                  • durango kidd

                    That’s why he bought a house in Palm Springs, Socialist Kaliforina; filled with amnesty beneficiaries to clean his pool, cut his grass, and water the plants on the cheap!

                    There’s a shortage of poorly educated, low wage earners in this country, didn’t ya know? (And lots of gays (And lots of gays in the entertainment industry to choose from for those special movie nights at home with Tranny Michelle in a cozy three-some. 🙂

                • John W.

                  Thank Bush, Bachmann and a few other dimwits for this garbage. They just had to have the patriot Act even though warned that sooner or later a real tyrant would misuse it. that was not enough and now they also have the NDAA.

                  • sixpack

                    This govt always has to do everything ass-backwards…it would be a much shorter list and much easier to maintain if they just made a list of everybody who ISN’T on the list.

                    Then some hacker could acquire that list for us and save us a lot of time… 🙂

            • Paranoid

              To bad we cannot get a copy of the LIST. Be a great mailing list for selling tar and feathers by mail

              • John W.

                The list is a joke. I knew people traveling on govt. business who have TS-SCI clearances and were not allowed to board a flight. The criteria they use are worthless.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Govnt lists. It like a threat, either you keep your mouth shut and be an obediant slave to our system, or you get put on our list. I did not read any of that in the Constitution.

              • the renegade braveheart

                WWTI, you’re right, there’s nothing about any type of lists in the constitution. Let those f#$%ers have their lists; we have ours.

          • OkieCowboy

            I read this site daily but rarely comment. I wanted to comment today to make sure I make the List and am counted with all you good people.

        • the renegade braveheart

          Howdy, Sarge. I’m most likely on lists going back to the Clinton era. NOTHING the federal government does has any legitimate basis to it whatsoever. We’re all on a list regardless of what we do or don’t do. All I know for sure is that anyone who targets me with any evil purpose in mind does so at their own peril.

          • OutWest

            Anybody on the list is alright by me braveheart,
            since most are probably American Patriots.

            • wrong

              Me too Me too!!!!!!

              • OutWest

                You bet, Wrong. This has become dead serious.
                We have been declared war upon.
                Only the dull witted and cowardly are in doubt.
                Many are called but only a few take heed.
                The bell is tolling, and it wants an accounting.

          • Sgt. Dale

            You are another one that I would be proud to be on the same list with.
            You know that there are very very few on this site that I would not want to be on this list with. You know I’m talking about the TROLLS.
            Everybody else I would be proud to be on the list with them. We don’t always agree, but hell I don’t always agree with my TWIN brother. List or no List I’m would be proud to stand by them!!!
            Maybe this list is a good thing?

            • Paranoid

              Sgt: Aim small, don’t miss.

            • jerrytbg

              On that we can certainly agree…

              What Paranoid said…
              Somewhere in the vicinity of the clavicle. Any caliber…


            • the renegade braveheart

              Sarge, You’re in the right place. You can go to the bank and collect the interest. Obama and company can go make love to themselves.

            • the renegade braveheart

              Sarge, forgot to mention, I wouldn’t worry about trolls being put on the lists. Obama supporters have it made in the shade.

          • Tacoma

            If you are white and Christain you are on list. Most all white people are on the list where they fly or not.

            • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

              Thank His Noodly Goodness that I am a Pastafarian!

              For a second I was worried that I might be on that list because I own guns and am “mostly” white, prefer marriage with members of the opposite sex, and advocate violent overthrow of the miscarriage of government which no longer represents me.

              Soon, the day will arrive when His Noodliness will reach out with one of His noodly appendages and smite the fried chicken-and-watermelon-eating imposter who sits on the throne in DC. He probably doesn’t even own a colander…

              • Tacoma

                Nice words moon but I still think you are a fake

          • the renegade braveheart

            OutWest, I appreciate that. When I first started posting on here back on 7-17-2012, I knew I was in the right kind of company. Speaking of which, Mac, my 2nd anniversary of being a member of this community has already come and gone. I’ve had so much going on the last 2 weeks I didn’t even think of it until earlier today. It’s been a great 2 years and I’m looking forward to many more here.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          It would be much easier to make a list, of who is Not on the list.

        • Anonymous

          The above does not qualify you, SGT. There is one thing and one thing only that qualifys you as a “terrorst”: anyone who knows whats happening, anyone who knows the truth about the US government is a terrorist. That is the only true definition of a terrorist in this country.

          Either you believe the BS put out by the MSM/”our” government or you don’t. Either you are blind or you are not. And THAT is the real definition of a “terrorist”. that is why returning military people are on the list. that is why I am on the list, why you are on the list, why Mac is on the list, Chris Hedges, Naomi wolfe, Paul Craig Roberts is on the list, etc. Anyone the government considers dangerous to them (the elite) is on the list… democrat/republican is irrelevant!

        • Jim in Va.

          SgtDale…Took the words right out of my mouth! List too!

        • PO'd patriot

          You stinking terrorist, you! AAAAAAhhhhaaaaaahaaaa! Can’t wait to shake your hand.

          • Sgt. Dale

            The honor would be mine.


            • the renegade braveheart

              I’d be happy to meet every “domestic terrorist” on here.

      5. femaregion1

        This manic in the white house is willing to “erase” his own people in order to get what he wants! (and he has…..) Remind you of any Joseph Stalins?

        • The Old Coach


        • John W.

          We are not his people. Get that through your head.

        • Tacoma

          Question….. Who is his own people.

          • Anonymous

            anyone who is not for the NWO is on the list.

      6. rednek101

        Cracker = Terrorist
        Honkey = Terrorist
        Redneck = Terrorist
        Taxpayer = Terrorist
        White = Terrorist

        • VRF

          Alive = Terrorist

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Obama Govn’t Watch List.

            #7 Invading Illegal Alien carrying drugs and disease = Non-Terrorist. Therefore Break out the Club Med USA Welcome Mat

            • Calgagus

              add in
              Conservative = terrorist

              • rednek101

                And the Father of all Terrorists: NRA members

          • PO'd patriot

            Planning on making your (O’Coon) life miserable= Terrorist.

      7. Turnthekey

        So much for the American Justice System, and way of life.

        Everyone is guilty.!!!!!!

      8. WhoWuddaThunkIt

        Johnny Rotten goes to see Santa Clause.
        He jumps up on Santa’s lap. Santa said, “Well Johnny, what would you like for Christmas this year?” Johnny pauses for a moment, then says, “Well Santa, if its all the same with you, I’ll take the List of all the Naughty Little Girls.”

        No this is not eppe in disguise. lol… However, I do want the list of all the Naughty Tyrants in this Country complete with addresses, for my “To DO List” when SHTF, and we are in an all out WROL. As I will have all the time in the world then to check off my list. Any Government that Fears the people has something to hide and needs to be replaced.

        • eppe

          Wwti, excellent joke…

      9. MIchael in Chicago

        Gang members get a free pass I assume?

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Think about this, Our govnt arms terrorists using our tax payments, but does everything in their power to disarm law abiding, tax paying Americans.

      10. JRS

        I’m certainly no terrorist.

        I only associate with people of high moral character and who live by the principles of liberty.

        I’m pretty much a loner…

        • Jim in Va.

          Gees JRS;those people are on the list too!

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          I would avoid clicking that Amazon link, It could be a Hack and automatically add you to their FEMA Camp Pick up List.

      11. Say When

        I know of a man who is a known associate of a member of the old weather underground. He has associated with this terrorist in chitcago and launched his own terrorist journey from 1600 Pennsylvania ave. So, maybe put him on the no fly list and his wookie spouse, maybe the taxpayers of this once grand country could save a few hundred million on jet fuel.

        • Calgagus

          Im surprised no WH employee or maid has nabbed one of his and her kinky hairs and sent them off privately for dna analysis. Maybe theyre saved for some snooping later on.

      12. The Old Coach

        Another lever of control. Let’s say you own a business with a nationwide market, and has sales people and/or tech support people flying from city to city to meet with and serve your customers. (Been there, done that.) Your political leaning is Conservative, or maybe you just don’t contribute enough when the LGBT caucus calls for donations. Suddenly you find your “field people” are denied boarding for the flight to their next meeting. Conveniently, they are denied at the city farthest from home….

        Our Founding Fathers intended Government to defend us against protection rackets, not to become one.

      13. David

        Isn’t it amazing? The least productive class of American society gets away with bringing in this little shite from Kenya, Indonesia, or wherever the hell else he’s from, and he’s now identifying productive, law-abiding Americans as ‘terrorists’. America, this is probably your last chance to man-up and get your heads out of your collective rearends, and vote this reprobate and his supporters out of office while there is still an “America”.

        • John W.

          How are you going to vote him out of office when he cannot run again(we hope). Besides I wants my free phone and stuff.

          • David

            Taking control of the Senate away from him and his ilk would be a start.

        • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

          That’s precisely what happens when you extend the power to use force, expressed at the ballot box, but force nevertheless, to anyone with a pulse who has orbited the Sun eighteen times.

          There were sound reasons for limiting the exercise of franchise to white, male, landowning citizens to the exclusion of all others.

      14. Socrates

        “You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.”
        ~Winston Churchill

        We are all of course. on some type of ‘list’.

        What WE as Americans, need to do, is start making (or updating) our OWN ‘lists’. With REAL charges like:

        -The POTUS and his cabinet for outright treason.
        – Congress men and women who do not fulfill their oath of office.

        -Police, Security and Law Enforcement who are either corrupt, or bring dishonor to the shield and its meaning of ‘To Protect and Serve’.

        -Judges, lawyers and other who contort the laws or enforce unconstitutional ‘laws’ and look the other way.

        -CEO’s, Presidents and other office title holders who rob, cheat, steal and murder…and get away scott-free.
        Your days are numbered too.

        -Bankers, Financiers and global ‘Elites’ who think only *they* have the right to live on this planet.

        -Socilaists, Marxists, Liberals, and anyone else with the Anti-American mindset. You know who you are…so do we.

        -Anti-gunners, Anti-Americans…one and the same, really.

        -Criminals, thugs, murderers and all the rest of the vermin. You can run and you can hide….but not forever.

        We ALL need to know EVERYTHING about these ‘terrorists’:
        Full names and addresses, Primary home and vacation homes, known accomplices, etc…

        Let’s see how THEY like being called out on their actions or inactions. Turnabout is fair play after all.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          @Socrates. Send me that list when you get it put together. Thx.

        • jerrytbg

          For starters just cordon off dc and lower Manhattan.

          • Cameraman

            I would say anyone that Voted Democrat Oh say in the Last six years need to be On OUR List!!!

            Semper Fi

      15. America

        Being a legal American Citizen, taxpayer…I’m on the list. Do the right thing, your wrong. Do the wrong thing you are rewarded. WTF! My ass is tickling. I see a 2nd revolution coming.

      16. River Rat

        READ MY LIPS: I’m on that list and have been for years and you know what, I truly do not give a RAT’S ASS!!!!

        As for I’m concerned they can eat SHIT and DIE!!!

        River Rat at the ready!!! NOMI///MOLON LABE!

        The smell of REVOLUTION is in the air!!

        • OutWest

          LOL! Is that a river rat’s ass, River Rat?

          • River Rat

            OW: YES IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!

            River Rat at the ready!!! NOMI///MOLON LABE!

            I smell REVOLUTION in the are!!

      17. David

        I heard on the news today that ISIS specifically named Barak Hussin Obozo a target that they will take out.

        Hmmmm. I wonder, do you think these guys can be taken at their word?

        • Blankone

          One can only hope !!!!

        • Anonymous

          FINALLY! some good news!!

      18. NewVegasBadger

        Remember now – Here in the FUSA, every thing you say or write WILL BE misquoted or taken out of context and used against you in a kangaroo court of injustice, where you will be assumed to be guilty, and will be found to be guilty. If evidence can not be found to prove your guilt, it will be manufactured to conform to the predetermined conclusion.

        • Anonymous

          Really cool, NewVegas! I gotta copy that one! 😉

      19. Stewpedaso

        Sounds almost like the Malleus Maleficarum (The witches Hammer). It was used in the Witch hunts of days gone by to convict and kill anyone…all you had to do was use the word “witch” and the trial begins…If you are innocent you die fast, if you are guilty you burn. Welcome back to the age of enlightenment.

      20. Confederate

        How can we find out if we’re on the list?

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          @Confedi. Just do a FOIA REQUEST to the FBI to see your file they have on you. See how much made up BS is in your file. They are required to give you a copy of your entire file by FOIA LAW.

          • Calgagus

            yeah but then you’ll be put on another list.

        • PO'd patriot

          When they come to your door for sure. Until then just accept that you are because of your past stated comments which gives them insight on where you stand. Hell just your moniker “Confederate” might grant you a ‘vested visit’ from the apple polishers of Barrack the Magic Negro.

          • PO'd patriot

            BTW, was I you, I wouldn’t change a goddamn thing.

        • Paranoid

          You have been put on the list for wondering about the list

      21. Satori

        who wants to play another round of Russian roulette ???

        How a solar storm two years ago nearly caused a catastrophe on Earth


        “On July 23, 2012, the sun unleashed two massive clouds of plasma that barely missed a catastrophic encounter with the Earth’s atmosphere. These plasma clouds, known as coronal mass ejections (CMEs), comprised a solar storm thought to be the most powerful in at least 150 years.

        “If it had hit, we would still be picking up the pieces,” physicist Daniel Baker of the University of Colorado tells NASA.”

        “NASA’s online article about the science of this solar storm is well-worth the read. Perhaps the scariest finding reported in the article is this: There is a 12 percent chance of a Carrington-type event on Earth in the next 10 years according to Pete Riley of Predictive Science Inc.”

        • The Old Coach

          You see this story in the WaPo, and you immediately start watching for the demands for a few more billions in NASA’s budget allotment. 98% of which will go to build more McMansions in Metro DC, and personal Bugout Bunkers for the already rich, complete with platinum plated faucets and hot and cold running Mexican servants.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            The Sad part is, I think about the only way We can take our country back, would be an all out Full EMP Event. That would totally bring the grid down, and fully disable the entire Federal Government of electronic Gadgets. Including the IRS, NSA, LEO’s, GPS, Communications, Military, No more MSM or their Lies, and the Banking system, Mortgage debt, credit card debt would all be erased, and noncollectable. And what you have in your possession, is all yours now. Then the fight to keep it will take place. Barter and trade for services will be the currency. And they can stick that NDAA scam up their a-holes.

      22. Ol' Grey Ghost

        “Editor’s Note: If you’re reading this or have shared it with others, or if you are suspected of knowing somebody who is suspected of reading this or sharing it with others, you may now be on a terror watchlist.”

        Auuuuugh!!! You should have put that warning up before I directed my computer to your website. Backspace, backspace! Escape, escape! I can’t get away…

        “Fighting Terrorism by Boiling Frogs”


      23. ponomo

        “Let me see,” said Obama. “Fed notes for all and executive orders daily.” Between the EXEC branch of gubermint and the pip squeak Congress……we are all rich! How is that fed note working out for you??

      24. ponomo

        Obama should be in prison.

      25. Be informed

        Thank you BO for 5 and 1/2 years of “wonderful” leadership.

      26. Vet1

        Every day there’s some “new” blatantly, off the wall, scrotum kicking ass wipe, talking about how they’re gonna come knocking down your door tomorrow unless you ingest the lard that is progressivism and make it your very own.

        Pooey I say.

        They realize they can’t take the second amendment away without a fight. Without personal protection everyone at the Bundy Ranch would have been hog tied and given a double dose of pepper spray right on cue. The Constitution and Bill of Rights act as a “limiter” in their quest for absolute power over the governed. I believe the easiest way to accomplish this is to relinquish sovereignty and join a global community. I saw a spot where obamma was saying exactly that in some speech he was making this year. I meant to save the link but didn’t and I haven’t the stomach to find it again. Stalinism is alive and well in the person of our fearless leader.

        “When the means is spoken of openly, the end game cannot be far away?”

        What will shock many Americans is how they awoke one day locked in chains? America loves easy money, television, their comfy couch, air conditioning, a fully stocked fridge, xbox, church bingo, Oprah, not working too hard, recreational drugs and anything else that does not involve personal responsibility.

        What will shock the powers that be, will be when they encounter the strength of an unyielding AMERICAN HEART. Whether we are 1% or 50% I would lay down money on those that live in the homes over those who would occupy them. In the words of Josey Wales, “dying ain’t much of a living? For those who would seek our ruination…come and get some!

        • slingshot

          And then the fun begins.

      27. Mysterium Delirium

        Were added to a list, while EBT cards are handed out to illegal Aliens. Im fine with having my name transmitted to a fusion center, DHS database, I can only hope those records are saved on harddrives that the irs maintains… Yeah Right!

        Such is the rule of honor

      28. bud

        “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom……” William Pitt Younger

      29. swinging richard

        We have allowed our govt. to rule while trusting that they would not abuse that power and trust. I think it would be wise to have a non politically aligned group watching them. A politically neutral group to police our leaders.

      30. Joe H..

        That means that the (so-called) president and his minions in various departments and agencies are most assuredly deserving of occupying the list.

        • Just Me

          IMO: They should be at the top of the list.

      31. slingshot

        “They also define as terrorism any act that is “dangerous” to property and intended to influence government policy through intimidation”.

        Well, well, well.

        Use of possible force, using armor and drones is not an act of terrorism. Acts that are dangerous to property and to influence government. Is that state government or those in power like in the IRS scandal, targeting individuals against Obama from orders of those in power.

        Could this man be derange with a GOD complex?

        Hitler and Stalin are dancing in Hell. Mao is playing a banjo.

      32. the renegade braveheart

        I don’t always agree with obama but I like his policy on
        Gun restrictions and affirmative action.

        • PKLauLau

          Eisen hijack BH’s moniker again?

        • Tacoma

          You got to be kidding me.

          • the renegade braveheart

            PKLL and Tacoma, that is NOT me who posted that crap. Whoever used my name to post under is a sorry-assed troll.

      33. slingshot

        How many bullets has the government purchased? How many agencies now need guns and bullets they never had before. Why so many plastic caskets. Why so many MRE’s purchases. New agencies with sub agencies. Why do they want to militarize local law enforcement?

        I am at a lost for words.

        He may be the first black president but he will be the last president this country will ever have. I am beginning to think time is too short for Hillary.

      34. 22Mission

        Either we are busy living, or we are busy dying.

        Giving myself every chance to LIVE another day.
        If I ain’t on this list, it don’t exist.

        Preparing for the next.

        White back.
        Just came across that term.
        Hope you got another great joke.
        I love them all.
        God bless one and all.
        Not One More Inch!

        • eppe

          Ok, here is a bad one… Why did Helen Kellar not have a dog? Because he would not come when called ‘ughgheghe’… why did she die in a snowstorm? she had mittens on……..please God forgive me….

          • 22Mission

            Some times I have to clean my screen from spewing coffee.
            God bless you and yours Sir.
            You are the best!
            Take care

          • eppe

            I always wonder how far I can go with these, I have had 2 deaf friends, so I truly feel their pain. I feel that Helen overcame so many obstacles in her life. But that was funny. I have a friend who gets gout. I told her to eat cherries. She came up to me and hugged me today. She said the cherries worked. I felt great to be helping someone in real pain.

            • eppe

              Humor is the best medicine….

            • 22Mission

              Sorry Eppe
              Hit the red thumb by mistake.
              Got a couple of deaf friends myself.
              Good folk.
              Cherries are supposed to be good.

              Been using udder balm on my multiple briar scraped ankles.
              Works great!
              Take care

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            What says, “Mark Mark!!”….”Mark Mark!!”…?
            >A dog with a hair lip.

      35. catena

        When martial law hits, no more trips to town, having a firearm going through a checkpoint, they got you!
        never to be seen aain!

        it’s their job……….
        have tobacco,ammo,food,water come bring it on,,,

        SSG USMC 1965-1972

      36. 22Mission

        Totally off topic

        Tried to warm this tent using 3 tea candles.
        Placed inside a glass loaf pan.
        Stacked three nesting terra cotta pots.
        Put heavy ceramic plate on top.
        Not only provided heat, also light for almost 2 hours.
        Kept my coffee nice and hot in my metal mug.
        Heated cool wet tent great on a very early well before daylight morning.
        Bet this works even better in an unheated room.
        Passing this out there.
        Take care

      37. Be informed

        A paragraph from a very interesting article:

        The plain and simple truth that few are willing to address publicly is that we are being led into World War III by globalists who are busily setting fires to the geopolitical dry tinder spread across the Middle East, North Africa and now Ukraine to create global conflagration. World War III needs to happen at any cost, and the environment is such that the slightest misstep, mistake or event by design could ignite a global conflict that will change the world forever. It’s just that simple.

        The rest of the article: http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10934

      38. River Rat

        Some out of town friends (preppers’) stop by. They live in a city and on top of that an apartment. Now talk about a storage tip, their into dehydration big time. A for the new storage tip; place your dehydrated veg’s in zip lock bags,then duck tape them and make a layer under your mattress. They have placed nearly 350lb.(wet weight) already under the mattress with more room to use (King size bed).
        Crazy or what?

        River Rat at the ready!!! NOMI///MOLON LABE!!! I smell REVOLUTION in the air!

        • eppe

          Now that is thinking outside the box…

          • eppe

            Mattress, that is…

        • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

          If you get a waterbed, you can store hundreds of gallons of water which is not immediately obvious. Run it through a filter, and you have drinking water which will keep you from having to venture outside to search for water.

      39. grossyi

        I live in Hawaii. Being placed on a no fly list essentially prohibits me from interstate travel, a violation of my Constitutional rights.

      40. FRANZPICK

        Run this past me one more time: A Black “president” is authorizing PROFILING of all Americans, the CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS NOTWITHSTANDING?


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