Denninger Warns On Coming Collapse: “Exactly How This Thing Detonates and Who Dies Is Very Hard To Figure Out”

by | Mar 13, 2017 | Headline News | 61 comments

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    On Monday House Majority leader Paul Ryan warned that if his health care plan fails to pass then the Obamacare system will collapse. It’s a sentiment that The Market Ticker founder Karl Denninger has shared for years, citing basic arithmetic that shows the Affordable Care Act passed in 2009 simply cannot be sustained.

    But before you get excited about the possible repeal of current laws that are to be replaced by Ryan’s new GOP bill, consider that the new bill is destined to fail for the very same reasons. It’s a simple math problem and the math shows there is not enough money to cover the costs for a health care system rooted in corruption and monopolistic tendencies, regardless of what Paul Ryan, President Trump or their opponents in Congress say.

    The end result, says Denninger in a recent interview with Future Money Trends, is a complete collapse of not just health care, but the entirety of the U.S. economy. The fall out, he says, will be devastating and will lead to the deaths of many who have become completely dependent on an ever more broke U.S. taxpayer:

    Exactly how this thing detonates and who dies, if you will, from a corporate perspective and from an economic perspective is very hard to figure out because if you think that this beast is just going to roll over and quietly go into the night you’d be very mistaken about that.

    When this goes up in smoke there are some things you can very reliably count on happening and one of them is that if you are dependent on high dollar treatments… you have a high impact disorder or disease… you’re going to die. You need to understand this very clearly. You are going to die, unless you have Donald Trump style money.

    The bottom line is that as the system starts to cannibalize itself, what it has done up until now and will continue to do… since they can’t take from those who have nothing to take… they will attempt to take everything from those who have something.

    The only way to avoid that happening to you is to not need. If you do need, then you need to decide if you are just going to make peace with God and leave whatever wealth you have to the people you choose or you’re going to essentially donate it to a corrupt system that is stealing about one dollar in five.

    There are other options… some of them are not very legal… but among the legal options, the best one that you can take is to become independent on that to the extent you are able.

    Being as independent of the system as possible is the key to surviving the coming collapse. While the failure of our health care system will be a significant factor in the breakdown of life as we have come to know it in America, we can fully expect other core systems to malfunction, including financial markets and the economy as a whole.

    That’s why Denninger has previously suggested that people take time to prepare:

    This time it won’t recover with more “hopium” and fraud – that card has already been played which means the pension funds and annuities across this nation are going to get smoked.

    They are going to come for all of it – pension funds, private retirement funds, savings accounts, you name it.

    They’ll raise taxes to extreme levels, as we are already seeing in California, where they are now literally taxing cow farts.

    The insanity will not only continue, it will accelerate, which means self sufficiency may be your only way to avoid a total collapse of your personal environment.

    Assuming the disaster is worse than 2008 and mirrors something on the order of Greece, we can expect a variety of problems that may limit access to your bank accounts, life saving medicines, food, and meaningful work.

    This is why we have repeatedly urged our readers to prepare for a variety of disasters by stockpiling long-term dry goods to supplement your diet in the event your paycheck takes a hit. We also encourage those with critical medical needs to put medicines in reserves, because they may become inaccessible or extremely expensive to acquire amid shortages. Finally, have gold or silver in reserve and diversify your investment portfolio with precious metals resources companies. While we can’t predict the future price of gold,  the historical evidence for gold and silver as stores of wealth during times of crisis are hard to argue. Up or down in terms of dollars, what will really matter is purchasing power, and that has remained consistent with precious metals for thousands of years.

    A collapse is coming. This is a mathematical certainty. If you’re not  prepared for living independent of the system, at least in part, then you will feel the full brunt of the pain to come.

    Karl Denninger is the author of Leverage: How Cheap Money Will Destroy The World. Visit his web site at The Market Ticker.

    For more interviews like the one you just watched, visit Future Money Trends.


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      1. Paul Ryan is gonna screw us as bad if not worse than Obama did. The new healthcare bill keeps on taxing us and it will raise prices even higher. Trump says he is on board with it but probably has no idea what’s in it. Ring a bell?

        • Obamacare was and is a screwed up mess, and this bill is NO different! The F—–g feds have NO business dealing in health care!! the poor people already had medicaid if they needed it and all these SCAMS did was line certain people’s pockets and screwed others. The fed cannot even balance a budget how are they gonna handle health care !! what a joke!! IF we don’t get the idiots in DC out of office we will never get this country on its feet!! remove ALL politicians, lawyers, from holding ANY form of office!!

          • Agreed, anytime the Government gets involved with subsidizing Programs, like Healthcare, or College loans or whatever, the costs soar bigtime. The Politicians are so in bed with the Medical Industrial Mafia, they will continue to drain the wealth from regular Americans for kickbacks. 85% of all Doctors in the US get “Cash Kickbacks” from the Drug industry. Its all a scam at our expense.

            You never hear the politicians talk about price controls or limits or any of that on medical care or drugs or devices. Its all Bend Over Rape and Pillage the populace. We also need to get rid of the Medical Insurance Layer of Rape and Pillage Profits Premiums, and pay direct to Medical Co-ops in health savings accounts, or your own medical Savings account that you have full control of. Instead of paying monthly insurance premiums to some For-Profit Insurance Co, you pay into your own Insurance account. And get a tax credit for your payments like a 401K. But Naw, that makes too much common sense to do that.

            Folks, all you can do is go be Poor on Paper and join Medicade or claim pure poverty and your health care is basically free, if you know how to work it. I surely can’t afford to pay any kind of Medical Insurance anymore that goes into a deep black hole never to be seen again.

            Its all preventative Medical, keeping a Healthy lifestyle. Don’t smoke, eat healthy fruits and veggies daily, get moderate exercise and keep your blood pressure down and avoid hard liquor. Want to get healthy go buy a bicycle and ride daily. You will sleep like a kitten.

            • Zeus, I especially agree about govt. ruining everything it touches. That’s a given. Obolacare will crash and burn no matter what happens. Paul Ryan is just another POS. Just keep stacking.

              • The Dems focus on “redistricting” in efforts to win more seats in Congress.

                Holder Foretells The Return Of Obama: “He’s Coming, And He’s Ready To Roll”

                “According to Holder, Obama’s triumphant return to politics will be focused on, among other things, fundraising (his specialty) and assisting the National Democratic Redistricting Committee (NDRC) in its efforts to redraw congressional districts to give Democrats a leg up in the House of Representatives.”

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        • A “collapse” is coming, yes. But it’s still a LONG WAY AWAY. Keep stacking and packing. Once you have food preps for three to four years stashed, and rotated, stack ammo.

          And never, ever barter ammo. Rule No. 1 🙂

          • BTW, It’s NOT hard to figure out who is going to die. In the long run, we’re ALL dead.

            On a shorter timeline it will be those inhabitants of the inner cities on the East and West Coasts, and in the major cities of the heartland.

            Most of the casualties will be caused by each other; whether strangers, family, or friends. Additional casualties will be inflicted by police and military trying to bring order out of the chaos. Finally, starvation, lack of knowledge, supplies, and lack of discipline will claim the lives of many.

            Those of US prepped, organized, disciplined, and located on the fringe of civilization will survive and die of old age. Pass the popcorn. 🙂

            • “die of old age”? Don’t kid yourself. This is happening according to Biblical prophecy. Scripture says there will be massive famine and chaos. The cities will definitely be the “war zones” of people looting, rioting, murdering, etc. Believers (in Christ) will endure the first 3 years of tribulation and be taken up. The rest will stay here and suffer the wrath of God before judgement and then being cast into the lake of fire!!

            • If only that were true. I live in Northeast Washington which is very rural and full of the prepper minded. When I start getting into specifics like “how will you get water” I am often met by bland stares then…”from the well”. Right and how are you going to pump the water without power? This is when it starts to sink in that they are not really prepared–for a short emergency sure but not months or years. Another question I ask is “what are you going to hunt when all the city folks who make it out to the country have wiped out the wildlife” Again the blank stares and slow realization they are not really prepared.
              I have been living off grid next to the rural forest and a year round spring for 6 years and been an organic farmer for 50 years. I am going to die from the toxins in our environment. Even organically grown food can not escape the poisons we have been dumping into the environment for the past 100 years.


      2. “Preplong-term dry variety of disasters”. “Long-term dry goods to supplement your diet”. “Diversify your investment portfolio”. And Gold you knew this was coming.

        If you didn’t already know this you are about 10 years behind the times. You had better catch up quick.

        Why is it that when you have an article wanting you to buy Gold, because TSIGTHTF? they never talk about self defense? Tell me when the SHTF what would rather have an M-4 and 300 rds. or 1.oz. of gold????


        • Sgt: agree, I’ll go with the ammo stockpiling and we have guns. Average people I know do not buy gold, we do well getting the basics. Gold can be outlawed by gov. for commerce, but not for bartering. Many other things are good for bartering that everyone needs. I have read/ heard this same babble since the early 80’s. Financial newsletters, books, shortwave talk shows, now internet, books and you tube. Who has a timeline? Anyone? Many folks I knew are in the cemetery who told me ” get this get that” who had lots of prep items that heirs tossed or sold. I am now 8 yrs into retirement, want to sell house and rent to be mobile. Why cant bloggers, newsletters like Denninger, be more specific??

          • Laura Ann, the title of the article said they won’t be able to figure out who’s going to die? In my case, it’s real simple. anyone who comes to hurt me will die. No rocket science there.

          • i’ve been following denninger for around ten years now. ever since he started “market-ticker”, i’ve read virtually EVERYTHING he’s read. when he talks, you really better LISTEN, because he’s the smartest patriot i know of….only now, it’s TOO LATE! he’s tired of crying wolf all the time, and nothing happens. our leaders have kicked the can down the road so many times, that now collapse is inevitable. we COULD have exited these problems 10 or 12 years ago with a mild depression, but now there’s so much debt, we are done for….wars will be fought over that money that CAN’T BE PAID BACK…’s ALL about the debt that can’t be repaid…..didn’t HAVE to be this way…

            • I wonder how numerous rate hikes will affect the economy?

              Federal Reserve may speed up rate hikes…

              “And with inflation showing signs of perking up, Fed policymakers may signal there could be MORE than the three rate rises they have forecast for this year.”

              ht tps://–business.html

                • Hope rates do rise, I’d luv to go back a decade or more when things were simple. Then I bought T bills (6 mo.) then renewed them, took the interest and spent it. Also CD’s w/ good interest way back, not now. Had to buy state tax free Muni’s w/ semi annual div. and blue chip div. stocks, otherwise no income.

              • i’ll give yuh 3 guesses….and the first two don’t count.

          • Forget Gold, Go all in Silver. They will never confiscate Silver. Its been money for 5000 years. True and time tested. I already have my 8000 rounds and calibers across the board for battle. I could start my own war if needed. Got the Silver to preserve my wealth as well.

            Hey Attn All Prepers!!! and RURAL Land Owners. Go check out this Website. It was mentioned a few articles back in the comments section by Anon.

   National Assoc of Rural Land Owners.

            There is some really Amazing info on this website. Especially how to “Patent your Land.” It is the Best way to protect your “Property Title” and seizure of your property from debts and taxes. I thought that the “Land Trust” had protection, check out what a “Land Patent” can do for you. Amazing!!

            Also check out this No Trespassing Sign they also sell. They get an A+ from ol’ Zeus here. I may pick up a few. A little Pricey, but Damn, it should keep any snoopy Government Prick off your property. Read the No Trespassing sign details at this link:

        • SD,

          Of course, you already know this. Buy an M4 and then save up enough for that chunk of gold, no biggie. Diversify. Easy peasy.

          Come time, I’ll be glad to have both. But even better I bet I have more parts than a lot of my local M4 warriors. Because an M4 never breaks, right?

          It’s not about one thing, it’s about everything. A little here, a little there, it all adds up.

        • “Tell me when the SHTF what would rather have an M-4 and 300 rds. or 1.oz. of gold???? ”

          I’d far prefer to have sufficient food, hygiene, and medical supplies.

          That’s what will be most needed by most people.

          • What is up with these idiots that come on here think you can’t own both “Gold and Guns” at the same time???? If you own an M4, its not against the law to own Gold too. And vice versa. Are you idiots so trapped in your small pee brains to know you can own both at the same time? Ignorant as F*ck!! Sheesh. And you can’t eat an M-4 either, but you own it, right?

            • Correct…

        • That 1oz of gold might just get you killed by the person with the M4.

          Or said differently, the person with the M4 might end up with both the M4 and the gold.

          • As a society devolves in a crash, the government engages in financial canibalism, long before citizens do. They eat their own. Police and border guards will go unpaid, but be subject to arrest if they don’t work. Police etc may also engage in kidnapping and other criminal activities to survive. This is where the death of Venezuela can teach preppers much.

            Having a few ounces of gold means, you can buy back a family member, or bribe police, or border guards. In a collapsing economy, the untraceable nature of PM’s will make it much more attractive than a fiat currency to bad guys, who want to be bought.

            Some gold, silver or platinum may be more effective than bullets in some situations. In a total collapse PM’s can give your family a huge boost on the recovery side.

        • Well Sarge, ain’t got a M-4; so, I’ll ‘eenie-meenie-mynie-mo’n’ it struggling to choose between grabbin’ my AR (if it’s a nice day out sunny ‘n all) or my AK (if I plan on mud-crawling it through the Florida swamps down here); or maybe, go all old-school with my ancient Mosin or that Chinese SKS or that damned Mini-14 (which for all the hype flat sucks)or an old WW2 Mauser…. Maybe just figure to sit on the rooftop with a nice heavy caliber bolt-action scoped to a ‘T’. Decisions, decisions – what’s a guy to do? LOL. But, for damned sure I’m with ya. Not a-going to be worried about gold, silver or some other metal or stones.

          • i got all them bases covered….and i got gold…..and i got food…..and i got water………PFFT! i guess you CAN have it all!

      3. I just spent my last $20 ordering a copy of the End of times DVD collection from the Jesus is a coming Institutes.

        Now, I’m worried that it won’t get here in time and I want a refund!

        It’s like the scene in Ghost Busters in where Gozer announces “Choose the form of your Destructor!”

        To whit I say “I choose Money!”

        Then, after a brief pause, “That one has been taken! Choose another!”

        • Could have spent the $20 on a Delux Lucky Rabbit’s Foot.

          Did anybody ever ask the limping rabbit, how lucky he is to still be alive??

        • Kind of reminds me of 2012 when they had all the hoopla on the History Channel about the
          Mayan calendar and all of Nostril Mucus’s predictions. I was hoping UPS would deliver my
          Spetznatz shovel before the festivities kicked off. Hah!

      4. Obamacare was designed to FAIL. Then, total government controlled healthcare could be established.

        Obamacare lies and reality…

        A Montage of Obama’s “If You Like Your Plan Keep It” Lies

        Obamacare Patients Denied Access to Doctors, Hospitals, Cancer Centers
        Oklahoma – “Obamacare patients are discovering that many doctors, hospitals, and top cancer centers do not accept the plans they purchased.”

        Remember this?
        March 15, 2010 – Obama speech in Strongsville, Ohio.
        OBAMA: How many people are getting’ insurance through their jobs right now? Raise your hands? A’right. Well, a lot of those folks, your employer, it’s estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000%, which means they could give you a RAISE!

        Instead, annually we have seen healthcare premiums have HUGE INCREASES. People in many states will see another MAJOR INCREASE in 2017.
        Obamacare Premiums Up 30% In TX, MS, KS; 50% In IL, AZ, PA; 93% In NM: When Does The Death Spiral Blow Up?

        Why Obamacare’s ‘20 Million’ Number Is Fake
        “The Obama administration claims 20 million more Americans today have health care due to Obamacare. The reality is that when you look at the actual net gains over the past two years since the program was fully implemented, the number is 14 million, and of that, 11.8 million (84 percent) were people given the “gift” of Medicaid.”

        “While Obamacare has handed out millions of new Medicaid cards, that does not mean the recipients now have quality health care. In fact, it doesn’t ensure they have health care at all. That’s because increasing numbers of doctors aren’t accepting Medicaid.

        Hospitals laying off employees due to Obamacare.

        Obamacare was never about healthcare, it was about CONTROL.
        Some even admitted it…
        When radio host Paul W. Smith asked liberal Congressman John Dingell (D-MI) why it will take the government until 2014 to fully set up the ObamaCare system.

        Dingell said this: “It takes a LONG TIME to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to CONTROL THE PEOPLE.”
        Source: News Talk WJR Radio with Paul W. Smith – 3/23/2010

        Plans to have the population receive the RFID chip were included in the original Obamacare bill. Thankfully, Section 2521, Pg. 1001 was removed from the final version that passed.

        However, the final version of Obamacare provides a “back door” by granting authority to “enact future regulations for smooth implementation” of Obamacare.

        “ObamaCare was passed because knowledge of what was in the bill was hidden and because of the stupidity of the American Voter…”

        “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” says the MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, who helped write Obamacare. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass

        Obama Adviser Jonathan Gruber In 2009: Obamacare Will NOT Be Affordable

      5. Obama master plan on health care over the years in his own words–SINGLE PAYER (speech August 4, 2007)
        Obama admitted his plan will eliminate private insurance…over time.

      6. Oct 27, 2016 We Now Have Proof Obamacare Was Designed to Fail… and Here’s Why

        The oligarchy runs our society with Problem – Reaction – Solution. If anything, these leaks have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the two-party system is an illusion and the whole construct is one huge pay-for-play corporate sham. Obamacare was always meant to destroy the private health care system and usher in single-payer, government run socialist medicine. It was designed that way… and it’s “working”.

        • Ahh yes, Hegelian Dialectic. This is knowledge you’re not supposed to know!

      7. Silver and Gold have I none, Such as I have give I thee. I’ll fix your bicycle for a 12 pack of beer and a case of canned veggies.

      8. Hey–I have a neighbor that goes about every two weeks for one reason or another..she’s 70; I’m 66.
        I haven’t been to a doctor in 10 Years!!!!!!
        I broke my toes (2011); I sprained my ankle(2015); I used the hospital, not a doctor.
        Every incident she sees that doctor for is ridiculous.
        She is Medicare and these tactics multiplied by hundreds of thousands is/will bankrupt any system.

      9. America will experience what people in the former Soviet Union experienced in the 1990s. It will be contractionary austerity in extremis. Trump’s buddies will get the spoils just as the oligarchs did in Russia. As for everyone else, here is what happens:

        1) Pensions become worthless due to inflation and also scams that loot the funds. The old will have to sell everything they can to just eat. You will see old people on the side of the road with their possessions on a blanket for sale.
        2) P#ssy: This gets very cheap and plentiful. Most women under 40 are going to go into the sex trade. The plus side is that it will no longer be feasible for any woman to be obese and slovenely: they will just not eat or have a place to live. Everywhere you go – work, hotels, restaurants, bars, even outside schools – will have available, beautiful women. These will be good times for any man who still has a job.
        3) Early death for men: most men will die off because of substance abuse when they get depressed or through violence. Most men will be dead before they hit 40.

        America is going to suffer much more than Russia did. Russians didn’t have debt; most Russians had lots of savings and free apartments. They also had urban gardens and lived in multi-generational families who supported each other. Americans have debt, no free apartments, few urban gardens, little family support.

        • Yeah, that’s right Frankie! You know all about Russia cos you traveled extensively there when the cold war was at its height, didn’t you? Remind us again…because I can’t be bothered looking in the archives of SHTF again…secret agent wasn’t it, or some such fantasy?

          Why does an ugly, wrinkly old man like you obsess so about pussy? Just about every post you write and post here is about “pussy” Dick not working anymore? Prostate problems Frankie? Or are you recalling the only time you had it off with that old pro in New Orleans? And has your family, long ago, realized that you’re just a sad act and now ignore you?

          Obese and slovenly? Is that the female in your life you’re describing? Is she the reason that you’re a misogynist? Most guys here, who have a woman/partner/wife don’t look at their women in your nasty ugly way!

          PS: The bet regarding you proving that you were “frisked” by hijab wearing border guards is still on. I’m still waiting for your proof (many months later).

          • Actually FT does have a point or two. I don’t know about his p*ssy comments, or all the men being dead before 40, but I have been in Russia (after the collapse of the Soviet Union). First of all, in the USSR all housing belonged to the state; after the collapse the home you lived became your property completely, and totally your responsibility merely by filing paperwork. Ninety-eight percent of the people live in what we call something like town homes, apartments, or condos, very few live in stand-alone homes-mostly in the more rural areas. I visited several homes while there, many are still monolithic looking and drab. However, since most housing is now privately owed most homes are taken care of, and many even decorated, especially in the larger cities. Mortgages are all but nonexistent, homes are bought with cash (often with borrowed money from relatives), or inherited. Utilities (gas, water, heat, electricity) are dirt cheap.
            Secondly, our GMO food here is loaded with pesticides, herbicides, and hormones. I don’t know about all of Europe, but in Russia none of that crap is allowed in the food. The average city dweller makes frequent trips to the country where a friend or relative may live. They are very familiar with growing vegetables and fruit, and especially harvesting mushrooms.
            It’s true most pensions are very small, but the people have basically no debt. Gas prices are high (and they drive awful) but they have superb public transportation. I did see violence there, but it was mostly directed at someone when they made problems or showed public disrespect. They are generally closer to their friends, neighbors, and family than here. Did see a lot of really bad alcohol related problems. The worst was the unimaginable cold. All in all, they have fared better than us should our economy fail on a large scale.

            • Bill,

              The comment I made was directed directly at Frank Thoughts (an inept handle indeed in his case).

              If you look back in the archives you will see he’s an out and out fantasist who makes outlandish statements.

              Among his list of achievements are: he traveled extensively in the USSR (without supervision), worked for a top secret government agency, is a master builder, was frisked by hijab wearing border guards whilst on his travels in the Arab world.

              If you can’t prove things, STFU.

            • Thank you Bill! Anonymous is clearly a Saudi agent sock puppet deployed as an online responder against anyone telling the truth about the Islamic invasion.

              Alcohol is the biggest problem for people in the former Soviet Union. but as for everything else, they are very resilient and in a much better position. They do not have a substantial black population nor do they have large numbers of Mexican gangs. I have been in many places during an economic crisis or a disaster. When you have large numbers of blacks, it always ends badly. Rather than help others, their first instinct is to steal, rape and take out their rivals.

              The Russians are disciplined and physically strong. They have some of the most beautiful women in the world, which certainly must be good for morale.

          • Relax , Comrade .

            • that was for annon

      10. The article mentions tax collections?? Now if we collapse (grid down), how are they going to be able to tax? Who will actually start venturing out to assess values? I imagine everyone will be to busy trying to deal with their own personal struggle/tragedy as the described outcome in the article. I guess that’s why they loaded up and bought heavy? Still, I think everyone will be to focused on themselves at that point? So the big bail-in, civil war, the country is gone, no government/lawlessness and they will collect taxes? Advice above is to be self reliant and use your stock up items. Will that cover taxes?

        Don’t forget the pets you really rely on! Grab extra, feed, flea collars, de-wormers, protection, etc.. cheap! Alum and/or Diotenatious(sp) Earth(external use) may be helpful down the road with no expiration. Easy does it, though, mask up. Store Dry. Fleas and Worms cause illness!

      11. Rockefeller owns the Universities and medical schools. He is keeping the price of medical care high by restricting the number of students allowed to attend. We are having shortages of American doctors and bringing in foreign doctors.

        We need a political movement to end this restriction. We need to end affirmative action in schools and employment and rely only on merit.

        We need think tanks to discuss ideas and strategies for overthrowing the Rockefeller monoply on medicine.

        Become educated as much as you can in Science, medicine, natural “alternative” therapies.

        Get certified in CPR and first aid. Sign up for training as an LVN or RN. Stop going to doctors. Most doctors are misinformed and many only want to suck you dry financially. They will give you drugs that they themselves would never take. They will give you surgery and take out organs when they are aware that there are things you can do that would regenerate the sick organ. Those who don’t know are just modern day witch doctors.

        I know how to cure infertility. The witch doctor has the man wear a cow bell and run the perimeter of the village. In the mean time, the witch doctor has sex with the woman. This continues until the woman becomes pregnant. It works about 40 to 50 per cent of the time.


      12. I’m no financial wizard, but common sense tells me two things.
        #1 If I have $500 in the bank and I keep writing checks for $500 everyday, I go bankrupt
        #2. If I could keep printing paper money to cover my overdrafts, each dollar I printed would make the ones already in circulation worth less and less.

        We’re screwed, IT’S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN THE SHTF?

      13. Society is so fucked!Yes,here in New England we have a pretty good storm coming,that said,plenty of warning ect.

        I went to get some comfort food/stuff doesn’t last long without fridge(cooler with snow works great in a pinch)and saw the bread shelves pretty bare along with a lot of other empty or close shelves.I will say folks heeding and stocking up a bit but really,that much,what you gonna do when things really go wrong?!I picked up another 20 lbs. rice and 20 canned goodsbecause as a poster likes to say,hmmmm…..”The smalls add up!’

        Plenty of firewood/gas/food ect.,will admit stopped at library and “booked up”,have a lot of books that enjoy/could re read but save em for more challenging times.I have met some new folks recently and they at least are listening to my ideas/thoughts on basic prepping,they seem to be taking mental notes,every bit helps.

        To those with me riding the snow out,enjoy!

      14. We should have some recourse to lying politicians, such as hanging or a firing squad for treasonous situations

      15. Wise Man say – learn to make soap, because dirty ass plus apocalypse makes bad situation worse.

      16. How this thing detonates? Rev. 18:17-19 In one hour all heaped up wealth will become nothing? Dosent it take 30 minutes for a nuke to get here. And 30 minutes for retaliation? One hour? And there eyes will melt in there sockets and there tounges will melt in there mouthes before their bodies hit the ground. Watch the Hiroshima cartoon movie. Eye witness reports of people with there eyes running down their faces melted. The surrounding areas from Hiroshima little boy are not like Chernobyl . This is not the end of the world . This is the promised new begining and new world after the Tares are burnt . Along with the foolish virgins. This will be a world wide soddom and Gomorrah Then as promised total rebuild. Just don’t be a Tare or a foolish virgin.

      17. I stopped over at one of my unprepared neighbors house. They may have just a few days of food maybe. He was grilling chicken. After a while he checked the grill. It ran out of gas and had to finish cooking it in the oven in his house. Like he only has one gas grill tank? WTF? I did not let him know for OPSEC readons, but as a prepper I have 6 propane tanks. 2 are empty and will fill those up by this next weekend. People who don’t prepped are pretty F@cked in regular life, let alone in SHTF. OPSEC is key
        Keep your traps shut. Or prepare to get robbed. I keep everything locked up and out of sight on my property. I hide stuff in my woods to look like a minimalist in the edge.

      18. Funny none of these financial talking heads talk about the Elephant in the Room: Nuclear
        The reason they don’t talk about it is because they did degrees in how to shuffle $ around – not Physics.
        Fukushima is just the beginning.
        There are 100 “rust-bucket” reactors in USA operating beyond all “safe” conditions.
        Rust =
        In case you wonder why the infrastructure is collapsing around you:
        THEY abandoned North America 50 years – its doomed.
        Prepare all you like – unless you can change the Laws of Physics –

        All you have to look forward to is horror, suffering, madness and death.

      19. It says the tribulation lasts 7 weeks . Many interpret that to mean 7 years? Empty the food stores for 7 weeks almost two months and how many people would be left alive? If you have one week of food in your house when the stores are looted dry. Now you have to go 6 more weeks with no food . That’s a month and a half with no food. How many people will be left alive? Mostly canibles ? See all the new canible movies easing the transition for the low life’s? Getting us ready? Talk about mass culling? You don’t want to run out of bullets. And as in Indian territory you don’t let you children get taken alive.

      20. The established needs are all controlled by criminal enterprises. Food, shelter and healthcare are priced beyond the reach of the majority and becoming more expensive rapidly. Look at the price of food and housing, healthcare forget it, all grossly overpriced. The planned big kill off will commence furiously. The future is ugly anyway I look at it. The truth has no chance. Nobody but the established gougers will survive with the exception of those who are well prepared, that rules out the gigantic majority alive today. Pure evil has shown its true self. Who would choose to logically exist in such an evil scenario as the human population faces? This evil will never be reversed. People know yet are powerless to change course to effect the needed change. Good vs evil, good never had a chance in this present age of total greed.

      21. In the year 2060, Denniger’s grand children will still be crowing about how a collapse is coming any day now. Don’t you get it yet? The only way world digital fiat and world digital fiat bitcoin will stop is an act of god – a nation sized catastrophe, or the end of oil, or world war III. Status quo is what you’ll get with Trump because he is just one man vs. 10,000 multinational corporations, they run the world. Their game plan is to get the American economy to exceed a quadrillion by 2060 in order to facilitate the social security, pensions and medicare shortages; and without an act of god et al, they will most certainly succeed, just as they succeeded in mega -money creation since Reagan. I know there are thousands of you that follow the end of day book and subscription shysters for many decades but you got to see the real picture. And don’t forget to enjoy each of your days as if they were your last, without thinking that the end is here, because it is not.

        • Bert,
          You have a selective memory.

          We have regular crashes, and disasters. I listen to cowards who won’t admit disasters happen on a regular basis. They say things like “you predict disasters that never happen”.

          What freaking planet do you live on that you can lie to yourself like that. 2007 wasn’t a financial crash? Hurricanes Sandy, Floid, etc never happened. Fukushima didn’t happen, and isn’t getting worse and poisoning the earth as we speak?

          Go ignore what is taught here, let your stupid family die.

      22. The U.S. is no longer the GREAT SOUP KITCHEN.
        The CUPBOARD is EMPTY.
        Buy hey keep bringing in those FOREIGNERS IN.
        Break us even more.
        Are we headed for a CIVIL WAR folks ?????????????
        If that happens it’s OVER for us as a Nation.

        Is GOD listening ?, Does he CARE ?, Is he REAL??????????????

        • YES, YES AND YES…

      23. According to Jones, the elitists did not believe in a Malthusian limit, to the carrying capacity of the land.

        But, I have seen cattle pastures, filled with McMansions and quota cases, the wells buried, and orchards uprooted.

        We re-sale or up-cycle the goods, which are no longer manufactured, here, make the factories into bistros, bead-and-breakfasts.

      24. I believe I have a solution for the current problem we have under the current system. In a way I think it is the way out. I encourage and invite everyone to download/review Hanomy Manifesto from (a non commercial site). I wrote this 112 pages document and soon to add FAQ section. It was completed in Dec 2016. Hanomy is a new social, financial, and political system for the world. It’s a way to go forward to save humanity from destroying ourselves and allow us to be free. Please help me spread the word. I hop that soon the mass will hear of Hanomy and demand it, worldwide. Maybe you could help it to reach the right ears and eyes. Thank you so much.

        Highlights of Hanomy:

        • Fundamental human needs met throughout life’s existence
        • Basic human rights observed everywhere
        • Sovereign debts worldwide are settled and eliminated
        • Upheld liberty and freedom
        • Financial contributions drawn from a portion of idle/unutilized money
        • No taxes on income, profit or spending
        • Interest charges and usury practices abolished
        • Power of money creation where it belongs – the people
        • An end to the fractional reserve system
        • Upheld free market principles (true capitalism but with social responsibility)
        • Decreased or dissolved inflation and hyperinflation
        • Reduced income inequality
        • An end to corporate welfare
        • Advanced technology benefiting humanity
        • Freedom of time for quality of life and caregiving
        • Prohibited conditions for authoritarianism
        • Preserved sovereignty and respected borders
        • An end to “modern day slavery” (this includes you)
        • Improved care of the environment and world resources
        • A world we’re proud to claim and pass along

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