Nuke Update: “China Will Not Hesitate To Protect Iran With A Third World War”

by | Dec 1, 2011 | Headline News | 276 comments

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    UPDATE: December 1, 2011; 10:00AM

    Amid the tensions in Iran and the destruction of a second nuclear facility (which is detailed in the original story below), we find it necessary to present our readers with an update made available via The Daily Crux and Zero Hedge, in which Major General Zhang Zhaozhong, a professor from the Chinese National Defense University, said China “will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War.

    Trillions of dollars in debt and regional energy resources are at play here. Perhaps this is the reason Iran is publicly downplaying the threat and the U.S. is overtly ignoring the latest bombing/explosion at a second Iranian nuclear facility. Not a single news report of the incident is present on the homepages of major media outlets like CNN, NBC, ABC or Fox.  For their part, Iran completely denies the explosion took place and national media agencies have reportedly pulled all references to the story, even though satellite images (detailed below) confirm it happened.

    Don’t miss this Chinese news report. Like the U.S., China has its own propaganda machine and this is what their populace is being fed:

    (In Chinese with English subtitles):

    ORIGINAL REPORT: Covert Op Suspected as Second Iranian Nuke Site Goes Up In Flames

    Either Iran’s nuclear and military  programs are headed by imbeciles or their country is under attack.

    Though Iran completely denied the incident yesterday, The Australian reports that satellite images confirm another Iranian military site has exploded:

    Satellite imagery seen by The Times confirmed that a blast that rocked the city of Isfahan on Monday struck the uranium enrichment facility there, despite denials by Tehran.

    The images clearly showed billowing smoke and destruction, negating Iranian claims yesterday that no such explosion had taken place. Israeli intelligence officials told The Times that there was “no doubt” that the blast struck the nuclear facilities at Isfahan and that it was “no accident”.

    The explosion at Iran’s third-largest city came as satellite images emerged of the damage caused by one at a military base outside Tehran two weeks ago that killed about 30 members of the Revolutionary Guard, including General Hassan Moghaddam, the head of the Iranian missile defence program.

    Iran claimed that the Tehran explosion occurred during testing on a new weapons system designed to strike at Israel. But several Israeli officials have confirmed that the blast was intentional and part of an effort to target Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

    On Monday, Isfahan residents reported a blast that shook tower blocks in the city at about 2.40pm and seeing a cloud of smoke rising over the nuclear facility on the edge of the city.

    “This caused damage to the facilities in Isfahan, particularly to the elements we believe were involved in storage of raw materials,” said one military intelligence source.

    He would not confirm or deny Israel’s involvement in the blast, instead saying that there were “many different parties looking to sabotage, stop or coerce Iran into stopping its nuclear weapons program”.

    Iran went into frantic denial yesterday as news of the explosion at Isfahan emerged. Alireza Zaker-Isfahani, the city’s governor, claimed that the blast had been caused by a military exercise in the area but state-owned agencies in Tehran soon removed this story and issued a government denial that any explosion had taken place at all.

    A government cover up? Say it ain’t so.

    There’s a war on. This was no accident.

    The real question is, how, if at all, will Iran respond? Are they biding their time because they are finalizing a nuclear weapon that they intend to deploy against Israel or Western targets, or has all the machisimo displayed by Iranian President Ahmadinejad in recent years been nothing but talk?

    We may soon find out.

    Hat tip VRF


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        • Where are the SSGN’s at?

          • Anyone who thinks Iran deserves everything they get, owes it to themselves to read the kind of insanities that were published in World War 2:


            Don’t forget. Chosen People started WW2 with their 1934 declaration of War against Germany. They are lying to you again.

        • Missing something here. The US could ‘glass’ both countries easily. Then really piss off the Chinese by bailing on the national debt. They are the biggest holders of the debt.

      1. There should be a war against Iran’s nuclear sites. They’ve threatened the US and Israel with annihilation. Iran’s leader believes he can bring out the return of the 12th Imam by doing that. He’s potentially suicidal. Nuclear deterrents don’t apply.

        • “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

          J. Goebbel

          • “Good propaganda does not need to lie, indeed it may not lie. It has no reason to fear the truth. It is a mistake to believe that people cannot take the truth. They can. It is only a matter of presenting the truth to people in a way that they will be able to understand. A propaganda that lies proves that it has a bad cause. It cannot be successful in the long run.”
            – Goebbels, speech, Nuremberg in 1934

            “The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”
            – Goebbels, article, 1941

        • @farm puss , being half-retarded doesn’t give you a license to kill… KILL innocent Iranians for only wanting to be as progressive in energy as other countries. It’s not about nukes… it’s about BANKER OLIGARCHY CONTROL by the .001 %!

          IF AMERIKA and Her Banker Rulers would just mind their own f ing business and stay out of other peoples countries this would truly be a better world!

          MAYBE it’s just time CHINA and RUSSIA just NUKED AMERIKA and ISRAEL!

          Turn this whole shithole of a country and zionist jew paradise into a GLASS PARKING LOT!

          Starting with YOUR Town FarmPuss!

          phuck it… I’ll push the button myself! It’s time someone PUT amerika and the zionist israeli jews back in it’s place!

          • ninaorket,
            You are an interesting person…and you seem to hate our country very much…and suggest that “MAYBE it’s just time CHINA and RUSSIA just NUKED AMERIKA and ISRAEL!And then you say this…. “phuck it… I’ll push the button myself! It’s time someone PUT amerika and the zionist israeli jews back in it’s place….BUT….you also say this…”@farm puss , being half-retarded doesn’t give you a license to KILL innocent Iranians for only wanting to be as progressive in energy as other countries. So are you saying it’s OK TO KILL INNOCENT AMERICANS AND JEWS and YOU are willing to push the button…but NOT innocent IRANIANS?? Like I said, you are a weird and interesting person…but a person I really don’t like!

            • ;0P

            • You are right on target Ma’am. I 100% agree with Farm Cat..

              Exactly how many times must someone tell you to your face that they fully intend to destroy you before you begin to take them seriously ? It is the height of arrogance to not take these religious zealots at their word.

              China is not now, nor ever has been a friend of this country. They are patient, thoughtful, purposeful; but they are NOT our friends.

            • “China is not now, nor ever has been a friend of this country. ”

              I guess that’s the justification the compulsive, obsessive credit card user uses when purchasing more “toys” funding the rampant uncontrollable sprees of the said abuser who, incidentally, does not have any intention of paying back and has the audacity to blame the lender for the addiction.

              Hmm, how much does America owe China? The Treasury Department estimates that our debt to China is approximately $1.16 trillion.

              Funny times we live in.

            • The largest holder of US Treasuries, officially, is now the Federal Reserve. Far more than China.. Funny times indeed.

            • …FED… isn’t that that private corporation who print the U.S. dollars … those dollars that buy the U.S. Treasuries, Treasuries that they also probably print up?

              Indeed, indeed.

          • If you think that Iran wants nukes for peaceful purposes your truly a moron. As soon as they get a nuke alot of innocent people are going to die! Nukes dont just kill bankers and politicians. They kill women and children! Your comment is very sad and I think you need to sit and think that one through a bit more.

          • what the f*ck is wrong with you? we all know ww3 is coming, why are you so anxious for death?

        • I am not down for a nuclear war, but I think Farm Cat is right about AmaDinnerJacket. I think that dude is crazy and has tombstone courage. I hope I am wrong, but that is how I see it. I don’t see how a war will be averted with all this saber ratling, but once again I hope I am wrong.

          As far as Ninaorket, go to some occupy event and get your head caved in. Maybe that will knock some sense into you.

          • Can you giv e some examples of his insanity? I know,I know he supposedly said to “wipe israel off the map” but that was a deliberate misinterpertation by our media.You can find the real translation from Farsi to english on the net. I have a map from 1944 that show no israel only Palistine, so who is wiping who off the map? You people who are so eager for war,get together and choose someone from your group and I will outfit you with a parachute,plane ticket and your choice of an AR or AK and you can get on with it.
            I’m tired of those Americans who put Israel 1st,2nd and 3rd even to the detriment of our own country.If you really fear for Israels safety the immigrate to your motherland and leave us TRUE Americans out of it.

          • The war has been averted because the Iranian leadership has woke up twice recently and said “How da phuck did dey do dat?” Done blown our sheet up and we didn’t even see dem!

            Damn! Dem bad mofos! We’re screwed if we don’t just shut da phuck up!

            Shut up then!

            • Since when did Iranians get a Jamaican accent?

        • You must be from John McCain’s office or you’re quoting one of his speeches! 🙂

          • you are all brainwashed, even though nina is over the top in her suggestions, everything she says is true…. the zionists are out of control.. and unfortuneately have most of you brainwashed … even the slightly awake ones … still! you people have cajones of iron for the punishment the zionists constantly feed you… and for awake people it is sickening. where this goes … i dont know… god only knows.

            • I agree about Nine and also about Zionists.

              Let’s ask “Who’s threatening whom?”

              > ISRAEL’S Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has called on the international community to target Iran as soon as the imminent conflict with Iraq is complete.

              — “Attack Iran the day Iraq war ends, demands Israel”, Stephen Farrell, Robert Thomson and Danielle Haas, *London Sunday Times*, 05 Nov 2002

              That was in 2002 — three years before Ahmadinejad and three years before Iran’s nuclear power program became an item of contention. Back in 2002, if not earlier, the Zionists decided that Iran should die. They gave the order, and U.S. politicians — who give Israel $3,000,000,000 each year and depend on kickbacks from AIPAC — have been desperately eager to obey, ever since. This is all about our spineless inability to stand up to Israel.

            • Fitting…that “little g” god only knows comment. When you worship gods, you really don’t know. Those actively in the gods’ service THINK they know, and develop and follow all their intricately laid plots and plans, but it will be to no avail. For “big G” God DOES know the end from the beginning and has presented it all for any who seek. In a nutshell, God loves Israel and the Jewish people (and has repeatedly chastised and corrected them for their mis-deeds by whatever means necessary). He has made Jerusalem the center of the world and said in the end the rest of the world will act crazy toward it. Prophecy is clear that Iran is a lead protagonist in the end days attack on Israel. And God has said He will bless those nations that are a blessing to Israel and curse those nations that curse Israel.
              I don’t give a rats ass what anybody else says, I’ll stick with the Bible, therefor stand with Israel.
              With the availability of the Bible in this age, how can anyone claim to “not know where this is going?” Again, with emphasis, PROPHECY IS CLEAR.
              Being awake is recognizing the Luciferian agenda.
              Neither do I want to be subject to Sharia Law.
              And I’m pretty sure ninaorket has set the record straight that he’s a guy.

            • @eeder, FYI!!! Nina is a GUY!

            • Yup, NinaO is a dude.

            • @ Anonymous…Thank you from the bottom of my heart for saying what I have been thinking as I have read through all of this. Finally, someone who clearly knows the Bible and understands prophecy. “God loves Israel and the Jewish people (and has repeatedly chastised and corrected them for their mis-deeds by whatever means necessary). He has made Jerusalem the center of the world and said in the end the rest of the world will act crazy toward it.” Amen

            • Everybody with a belief is “brainwashed” according to the brainwashed person with a different belief.

        • The reality is just the opposite, just as it was in 2003, when we were told the same garbage about Iraq that is now being circulated about Iran. The reality is that Iran has called for the Middle East to become a nuclear-FREE zone. This is only one of dozens of reasonable and conciliatory Iranian proposals, all of which are instantly dismissed by the U.S. and Israel.

          Israel has been ordering the U.S. to attack Iran since 2002. All of the bull about the “12th Imam” is just the fig-leaf being used to cover up the next act of naked aggression by countries that have hundreds and thousands of nukes.

          How can a global empire that spends almost a trillion each year be threatened by a country that spends $10 billion, a country surrounded by U.S. forces?

          “machisimo displayed by Iranian President Ahmadinejad”?? Here is the real Ahmadinejad:

          > Iran is ready to help creation of dialogue atmosphere between governments and nations.

          — Ahmadinejad

          > The era of military force is over, today is the era of nations, logic and worshippers of God.

          — Ahmadinejad

          > Why are you ruining the prestige of the [UN nuclear] agency for absurd US claims? The Iranian nation is wise. It won’t build two bombs against 20,000 [nuclear] bombs you have. But it builds something you can’t respond to: Ethics, decency, monotheism and justice.

          — Ahmadinejad, speaking in the central Iranian town of Shahr-e Kord, Nov 2011, quoted by Scott Peterson, “Iran nuclear report: Why it may not be a game-changer after all”, *Christian Science Monitor*, 09 Nov 2011

          • Well… we’ll see who starts WWIII. Will Israel do a “preemptive strike” and start WWIII? Will the USSA do a “preemptive strike” and start WWIII? Or, will Iran get the bomb and do … nothing? Or, will Iran get the bomb and strike Israel and start WWIII?

            I’m betting the USSA on starting WWIII.

            Besides, who really is stirring up those Muslims in the Middle East lately?

            When you understand what The Non Integrating Gap and the Core is, when you find a map of The Pentagons New Map and place it with The Club of Romes map and then at region 7 of the Club of Rome map and find out what nations are in region 7 and what one nation isn’t… you will finally understand that it has ALWAYS been about this:



        • and the usa christians claim the end of the world is nigh and would love to bring it aBOUT IF THEY COULD WITH NUKES IF NESESSARY

        • So, maybe you should strap on a backpack nuke and visit Iran. We’ll cheer you on.

        • WW III between whom: China and Isreal? China is all bluster, they’re not going to do anything nuclear-too messy. Besides, if they miss, they’ll hit one of the many larger Arabic nations that surround Isreal and that would turn the region against China. Besides, if China is stupid enough to attack Isreal it will also attack/reclaim Taiwan and Taiwan knows it. Don’t you think that Isreal and Taiwan, which is nextdoor to China, already have a deal where Isreal will use Taiwan as a nuclear launch pad to stop China because it will a go-for-broke/all-or-nothing proposition for both Isreal and Taiwan? Even a small nuclear exchange would collapse China’s economy. And China is too far away for conventional warefare with Isreal, so what’s left for China but to hope their bluff works. But I could be wrong.

          • Ballistic Nuclear Missiles are pin-point accurate nowadays. Do you know what would happen if a nuclear missile was launched from Taiwan?

            Meh. Hey! And by the way, have you seen, or are you aware of, all those new “Silk Roads” that China has built between China, the Middle East, and Europe? One of them goes right through Iran and to Iraq… another on goes through India to…

            And, uh … do you know what China will do the America’s Naval Fleet in the Taiwan Straight in the event of hostilities there? Why, nuke the Straight.

            And no silly, not with Israel. It will be a smorgasbord WWIII… which means no one will be left untouched. OH GOODY! I LOVE THE NEW WORLD ORDER… well, what New World Order comes out of it…


      3. Hadnt heard a thing on “regular news” about this,,

        • And you probably wont, or at least until its so stale you can smel it a mile away..
          Or until they can spin it for whom ever owns the news stations , to have thier approval of their version

          • obviously the commies did it intentionally.. who are the commies? the zionists… the western world…they will stop at nothing to uphold the nonsensical theatrics they have created … and you all take it hook line and sinker… its a scam folks.. the whole god damned thing is a farcical scam…. fools

            • Are you saying Israeli Mossad used Stuxnet…. again??
              And maybe twice in 2 weeks??

      4. At least one country has the balls to do something about Iran.

        Go Israel!…. and for those that don’t like it, tough cookies!

        • At least one country has the balls to do something about Israel and … sorry… USA…
          Go Iran… and those that don’t like it, tough cookies!

          • Giurza and Matt,

            No matter Israel or Iran i know one thing. If the shit goes boom, Crete is within the range of both countries missiles. Not to mention that there is a USA military base on the island.
            So i would kindly request from both leaders to shoot their missiles according to the Geneva convention. I have invested a whole bunch of money to get prepared for SHTF. But a direct hit would heart my feelings and my pocket. 🙂

            • Well said Manos.. 😉

            • truly well said manos! my take is exactly the same. that is why I get mad when people go “YeHa! let’s bomb those Iranians/Afghans/Pakistani/whatever” the stick always has two ends… see that the other end doesn’t strike yourself.
              peace be unto all!

        • Hey Matt,

          I fear that you are not looking at the big picture. The NWO (power behind the thrones of the world) wants war. They create war because it makes them money and helps to control the sheeple with fear and propoganda. As long as we have an “enemy” to fight (and THEY make sure we always have one) then we aren’t really paying attention to all of the B.S. they are pulling behind the scenes. Isn’t it funny how long the cold war lasted between the U.S. and Russia (both nuclear super powers) without one nuke being deployed. Just thinking out loud here. Iran is no more a threat to us now than Russia was then, yet, our government keeps traveling the globe picking fights with other countries all in the name of “THE WAR AGAINST TERRORISM.” It’s all BULL SHIT!!!

          • Just Matt [boy, I feel like I’m having a conversation with myself 🙂 ],

            I am very much aware of an NWO issue being played out here. It is being run by an antisemitic, self-admitted Nazi collaborator by the name of GEORGE SOROS (a Jewish traitor).

            But this enemy here, Iran, has been around for quite a while. This is a different situation that the mess that we’re in with the “war on Terror” that you referred to. This enemy actually has teeth, Nuclear ones. Are you telling me that you’ve ignored the link between Iran, Russia, Pakistan, and North Korea? Seriously?

            Iran, isn’t some country like Yemen or Lybia, or even Egypt. Their a cut above the normal noise making idiots.

            Have you ever wondered why Israel is so focused on Iran… they know the threat is real.

            • You don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

          • And as long as there is a trillion dollars allocated for the defense budget, there will always be someone coming to get us! It’s called job security. Any country that doesn’t have a nuclear weapon, in the eyes of the u.s. and the u.k., is a country that is ripe for the taking. Iran would be insane not to develope a nuke. And, by the way, remind me, please, who is the only country to use an atomic weapon? and who’s killed more people than the good ol u.s. of a in the last sixty years?

            • Listen A~Hole, the argument that America was the only one to ever use a nuke is an out model argument. WHY? It was a race by all the powers to developed a super weapon that would have the power to force an enemy to the peace table. Do you honestly think if Germany hadn’t developed the atom bomb first that they would not have used it? After all they only burned, and gased millions of Jews and conquered all of Europe.

              How about the happy Russians, they most certainly would have loved to have one to drop down the throat of Berlin, and you can bet your life they would’ve done so in a nano second, had they had the technology.

              How about the Japanese, perhaps the most brutal military force then back in time. You don’t think they would have used it to elevate their Imperial “god and win the war? Ask the Koreans and Chinese how savage the Japanese were.

              So yes, we used the “bomb” first but don’t kid yourself or come on this forum with you ananti-American bullshit. Germany and Japan would have very much liked to have been first to drop a nuke back then.

              Being first doesn’t make you bad nor does it make you right it just makes you not second. Get it now? Probably not, but at least now every else does!

        • Israel is the only one that can save our ass. Go Israel!

          • How can israel save our ass when it is the US keeping them alive with our money and hardware?

        • with 143,000 conventional armed rockets aimed at jewland … sounds real smart … yeah this is definitely a really smart idea!

          your an zionist jew phuckin idiot @matt and i only wish upon you the same suffering as you desire upon others!

          UN Official: Israeli Occupation Killed 1,300 Palestinian Children Since 2000!

          this is what you want phuckstick… beware what you wish for!

          the sword cuts both ways!

          • MAC

            I’m disappointed you allow such bigotry and foul language.

            It’s one thing to have opposing views, but another thing entirely to allow anti-Semites to voice their racism. Comments like this person’s are what lead to the Holocaust back in WW2.

            People like this are whats wrong with this world.

            • Matt,
              As distasteful and offensive as ninaorket is, allowing their venom to be exposed reminds us that evil is still rampant. It is our responsibility to stand against it. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. It breaks my heart to hear such vitriol, but without true Freedom of Speech we’re no better than those spewing this venom.

              Stay strong and true….God Save our Republic!

              p.s. The “likes” and “dislikes” buttons have been an awesome addition to this site!

            • Mac expects us to be adult about this but as u can see that isnt the case. So it is up to to realize that what kind of person they are and take their comment with a grain of salt.

              “Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level then beat you with experience”
              crash and burn

            • @ both Rightwingmom and Crash and burn:

              right on both counts, but being “adults” I like to see people like this fool be shut down. Allowing ‘it’ free rein to post such venom while hiding being some keyboard in a basement with Nazi flags all over the wall, well they just need to be shown the door. They never will learn anything as long as they don’t have to be responsible for anything they say.

            • “Never enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed foe.”

            • —–To Matt @ 12/01/11 (1:44pm)

              Holocaust??? What holocaust???

              You must be talking about the “HOLOHOAX”, which is a mythical event attributed to National Socialist Germany circa 1940-45. Yeah, some jews perished in the camps, mainly from Typhus(a deadly affliction carried by lice).

              Funny how I or anyone can search the web & find the 1946-47 RED CROSS report stating that no more than 275,000 jews perished in all the labor camps combined! Or that the plaque at Auschwitz originally read over 4 million jews died there, yet now it reads 1.5 million!?! Why do they keep lowering the numbers but the sum total never changes? There’s something fishy about “jewish math, don’t you think?

              Why is it that the 6 million number is all we’re taught in school, regarding the WW-II casualty total? How many Americans died? How many Brits? How many Aussies? How many…fill-in-the-blank perished? Why is it always about the “Red Sea Pedestrians?

              Its odd that we can search the library of Congress & discover that the 1938 edition of “ENCYCLOPEDIA JUDICIA” states that the entire population of jewry throughout eastern / western Europe was approx 4.3 million. Its down right hilarious that at the end of the war, there were in excess of nearly 1.5 million holohoax survivors & yet six million were executed?

              Why don’t you read the Lechter report or research Germer Rudolph’s analysis of the so call “GAS CHAMBERS”, you idiot! What about the recent Aussie scientific team’s analysis of the supposed mass graves @ Treblinka? Their ground penetrating radar revealed zero disturbance of the soil for at least the past 100-200 years!

              FYI, the so called jews have never been persecuted, they have been PROSECUTED(there IS a difference) by righteous gentiles as the an enemy of GOD & real humanity!

              Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I’m assuming you’re not a jew troll…merely a deluded Christian Zionist, so I’ll cut you a little slack, this time. You want simple Christian proof that today’s jews are GOD’s & humanity’s enemy?

              Grab a crayon(you shouldn’t posses / use sharp instruments like pens / pencils) & do the following:

              1.) Draw the so called star of David on paper.

              2.) Count the # of points around its perimeter & write that # down.

              3.) Count the # of small triangles at the circumference of the star & write that # beside the first one.

              4.) Count the number of sides to the inner hexagram & write that # beside the other two………

              …your result should be “666”…!!!

              ——–Hello? Recognize that number, sonny?———

              FYI(#2), the star of David is actually the STAR of BAPHOMET! Its straight out of the Kabalah…the book of jewish voodoo!
              You are defending those who Christ identified as being of the seed-line of Satan(John 8:44) when he confronted the jewish Pharisees saying….

              Quote:….”Ye are of your father the devil….”

              Exercise #2.) Go to the reference section of your local library, find the “Jewish Encyclopedia” & pull the volume “J”, open to the the definition / word “jew” & read slowly!
              There you will find, in their own book & in their own words the following sentence…..”WE ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE PHARISEES”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Matt i understand how you feel about but this but it is still the U.S. of America(i think? just kidding) and we are all protected by free speech. I mean they allow RICH99 on here….just kidding around RICH99 🙂

            • Gunsmith you are wrong
              My Grandpa(Army Airforce was what it was called before they split it) was one that actually was at auchwitz and helped free the rest of the Jewish people in the end days of WWII and he seen the evil first hand.The total deaths of Jews may vary but it was still a mass genocide so the numbers really doesnt matter now does it? Till the day he died he hated all german people no matter what.

            • To the Jew, CHristianity itself = anti-semitism, and if you have no backbone, you will need to betray your religion to escape the label of being anti-semitic.

            • right wing mom… how exactly does zionism help god save the republic? explain your rationale? what you are saying is ridiculous… uneducated and wrong…come on people… this is all of our butts on the line.. it s time to wake the sleep out of your eyes and get with the program… really your support of this communist “regime” is the problem… you hurt yoursleves… you hurt me… you hurt innocent well meaning people… give it up .. the game is over.prolonging it at this point is going to be all of our undoing.thanks for that guys…. form the bottom of my heart.

            • The way I see it, we’re all slaves to the NWO banksters. The next big culling will be he Asians vs everyone else. The blacks are being “watered down”…so no big issues here….can’t tell whose is who soon. As for the Jews… I’m tired of being their slave. I hope it all collapses. Masses will storm their gates….ten the fun will begin. Mac. don’t you delete this…. you site…but open concept and dialog. Don’t water your site down. Many points of view keep things interesting. ps. Go read the elders of zion.

            • @ Matt You mean racism like this?

              God created them [goyim] in the form of men for the glory of Israel… for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved of this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him. Midrash Talpioth 225a

              The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews
              Ma’ariv 09.11.09 (p. 2) by Roi Sharon
              Here is a full translation of the article in the Maariv newspaper of Israel

              “…’living soul’ designates Israel because they are children of the Almighty, and their souls, which are holy, come from Him. From whence come the souls of other peoples? R[abbi] Eleazar said: ‘They obtain souls from those sides of the left which convey impurity, and therefore they are all impure and defile those who have contact with them.’…’living soul’ refers to Israel, who have holy living souls from above, and ‘cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth,’ to the other peoples who are not ‘living soul,” but who are as we have said.” Bereshith 47a

              “Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever… their material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews…” Abraham Foxbrunner. Habad: The Hasidism of Schneur Zalman of Lyady. Northvale NJ: Jason Aronson Inc., 1983. Pp. 108-109.

              “The best of the gentiles: kill him; the best of snakes: smash its skull; the best of women: is filled with witchcraft.” Kiddushin 66c The uncensored version of this text appears in Tractate Soferim (New York, M. Higer, 1937), 15:7, p. 282. “The best of the gentiles should all be killed.”

              etc., etc. etc.

              That is the religion of the genocidal deceitful maniacs you applaud, Matt.

            • Ah, only “responsible speech” is allowed…

              “Umaga Tavarych?”

            • No Matt–being anti-Zionist is not anti-Jew.
              All Zionists are Jews, but not all Jews are Zionists.
              And stop the ‘chosen people’ crap.
              I’m a christian; and ‘I’ AM A CHOSEN CHILD OF GOD.
              The people spoken of biblically aren’t even in Israel any longer..they moved on!!
              And if I had time, I could find many passages of God berating the Israel people telling them His punishment is coming for them.
              End of this topic for me.

            • Freedom of speech should never be nullified, no matter how harsh that speech is….have you forgot the constitution and what country this is? People should always have freedom of choice to speak as they wish as God gives us all. Doesn’t make those words the best words to use, but I’d rather have too much liberty than not enough of it!

            • MAC,

              I applaud you for allowing for allowing us to express our thought,ideas and opinions without fear of censorship.
              It distresses me that the israel 1st-ers,when backed into a corner by facts and reason, scream “ANTI-SEMITE”,hide behind their bibles and demand those with differing opinion be shut down.

              Same shit,different day. If they can’t win an argument then they want it shut down.

          • If this guy can’t control his vile prafane speech and antisemitism he should be blocked. What a pathetic person

            • Everyone needs to get a backbone. Free speech is free speech! Once you start “blocking” one guy or gal, then the next one is easier. Let people say what they want to say. If you have half a brain, you can figure out if you should pay attention to what they said or not. I don’t like or agree with everything that is said on this site but I like it! I like the fact that we can say what we want! As soon as we can’t, then the SHIT has really hit the FAN!

            • Anybody posting as anonymous should be blocked. They obviously have something to hide.

          • You sound like a Muslim camel fucker.

            • Nina is the camel fucker in question.

      5. Mac Sorry to put that in the other thread..I didnt want it to sit too long before you were aware , if you werent.

        I think your right about the War end of this

      6. Hey, ya’ know, if Israel has a problem with a neighbor,
        it’s up to them to work out the solution. Leave the
        U.S. out of it. It’s not our fight. Iran can suck
        eggshells, for all I care, but…..NO U.S. IN IRAN!

          • I’m voting for Banksy Rat.

        • israel IS the united fascist prison states of amerika. no one gets elected UNLESS they first visit the zionist jews of israel first!

          just ask congress woman cynthia mckinney of georgia… who fought the aipac jew control of the u.s. congress.

          • McKinney is a terrorist sympathizer and traitor to America.

            • “Right Wing” Mom: It was Israel that attacked the USS Liberty in June 1967, NOT Cynthia McKinney. It was Israel that employed the Jewish traitor Jonathan Pollard as a spy in the US Navy in the 1980’s, not Cynthia McKinney, and it was Israel that provided the stolen intelligence data to the Soviet Union in exchange for increased emigration quotas for Soviet Jews. It was also Israel, not Cynthia McKinney, who sent five Mossad agents with multiple ID’s, to “document” the September 11th attacks on New York using PRE-POSITIONED video cameras, NOT Cynthia McKinney.

              What does this prove? It proves that ISRAEL is no “friend” of Amerika, and any moronic “Amerikan” who supports Israel is the one who deserves the epithet TRAITOR.

            • McKinney running her anti-American/pro-terrorist mouth off to the Libyan media is all the proof I need.

              I stand with Israel, AGAINST McKinney and wear your “Amerikan” insult like a badge of honor.

            • Because she demanded answers about 9/11, THE INSIDE JOB with the help of Israeli Mossad??
              I bet you still believe seals killed Bin Laden??

            • “Right Wing” (sic) Mom, if you stand with Israel, a proven enemy of the United States of America, please do us all a favor: Don’t refer to yourself as “Right Wing.” A right-winger is usually someone who is nationalistic, and who is, in that sense, a champion of his or her country’s independence, welfare and national greatness.

              Now you (who apparently revel in your unrepentant stupidity and your servile acceptance of Israeli treachery against the US) are not a nationalist, but a COLLABORATOR with an alien and hostile foreign power that has subverted our government and constitution, and has wantonly used up our national wealth and the blood of our sons to pursue its own territorial aggrandizement. You, my dear, are a TRAITOR to Amerika. The historical record being what it is, and Israel’s endless betrayals of Amerika being as well documented as they are, what’s is it that you find so hard to comprehend about this?

              Don’t take MY word for it that Israel is the enemy of the United States – just ask the 34 US servicemen killed by Israel on the USS Liberty, or the US agents in the USSR who were rounded up and killed by Soviet counter-intelligence following Jonathan Pollard’s betrayal of their identities to Israel… and Pollard is a national hero in Israhell, by the way.

              And regarding your comment that Israhell’s victims who dare to defend themselves against expropriation and ethnic cleansing are “terrorists” — I wonder what YOU would do if a group of foreigners came to your trailer park in Texas and evicted you from your moldering double-wide next to the Piggly Wiggly, based on a book of Bronze Age fables that claimed they were “special” because of a supposed contract their ancestors concluded with a supernatural being thousands of years ago.

            • Bravo,Ahab!

              RightWingMom-You know he is right.Maybe change your handle to LukidWingMom.

          • ninaorket, what other groups do you hate? please go on and finish the job of exposing what a complete jerk you are.

            • Bet us British are next on her hit list.

              Nina, you are really unpleasant.

            • Ninadude,
              Such a jerk for thinking of your country first. How dare you. You should be sticking up for the Zioterrorist that want you dead anyway. What are you thinking?

          • nina… its so obvious to people like us… however to these sheeple its real… im not sure it can be stopped at this point…. let them have there cake…. it will be bitter…

            • @eeder i hear ya… the “walmart red white and blue patriotic = freedom lie , an the dead jew worship mentality” is strong here… but we gotta fight for our own individual personal beliefs! and we are not alone eeder… we are only the ones who aren’t scared to voice our beliefs! keep up the good fight @eeder, love your posts! ;0)

            • I don’t like Eeder’s posts. They reek of ignorance and arrogance.

              He’s just creepy.

            • Can you negative nancie’s please explain to me why you are even in this country? Get the fuck out. If you dont believe in the truths the country was founded on, we dont need you. Disagree with the current sham of bullshit all you want but don’t sit here and crap on the ideals of a country thousands of men and women fight for every day. Its sickening. What r you gona do when a little china man is sitting in the dark in ur hallway one night when you wake up in the middle of the night? Swear you hate america and you will go kill ur neighbor? I got news for ya…your spineless ass is still gettin smoked! Its people like you that eat at our country. You couldnt hack it in a capitalist economy that thrives on competition so your pissed. Whether i like what our government does or not, this is our home and its about to be gut check time. Republican or democrat jew or nazi black or white…try soldier or statistic if this plays out the way its heading.

        • maybe before we bow out, we should supply Iran with all of the military bullshit hardware and tanks and jets and rockets and cluster bombs and mustard gas and missiles and billions of dollars in foreign aid that we provide israel with, and then let them dook it out!

      7. Lemme see… here in America land of the ever growing fascists, our government has enacted legislation that destroys our protected rights, set up “emergency camps” near metropolitin areas off of major transport areas, our troops are going to be home by Christmas, and now Iran is being attacked by Israel?

        When I do the math, I hesitate to finish my own equation, because it seems like we are headed to war.

        • Um, well some people may be headed to war. But Amerika is headed towards the ultimate police-state. The cattle will be headed to gulags.

          • In the police state we seem to agree is here and growing by the day, do you think TPTB would gladly round up the “cattle” of women and men and send them off to fight their wars? I do.

            I can just hear it now, “You have a choice -you can stay here and we will reduce your food rations and that of your family OR you can go fight in the military” And other such “enticing offers” like they gave the Japanese americans in the camps during WWII.

            Oh wait, they could just reinstate the draft!!!

      8. What could this bring about? A war with Iran would:

        Cause an immediate energy shock. Oil prices shooting through $200 + a barrel. A potential loss of 6-10 m barrels a day?

        Global depression deepens. a slow down in economic activity reduces demand, however with peak oil (we hit the max the world could produce a couple of years ago) and lost production

        The need to prepare by building or moving to a resilient community that produces most of the energy and food it needs to survive?

        this could get even more interesting

        hang on and prep like like a Nuke war is coming..because it just might be?

        • i guess the people want to support zionism so much they are willing to pay 20 dollars of fiat a gallon for gas… yeah… real bright logic… to uphold a lie! good little zionist sheeple … ive got a hundred acres of farmland in antarctica to sell you…. strangely like selling icecubes to eskimos… good zionist eskimos! i mean sheep! BAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!holy f!

        • You might want to look at a projected nuclear target map of the US. If there is a nuke-war, this country will be destroyed. Places that are not directly hit will get fallout. If the nukes start flyin’, you might as well load a bowl, and pop a top…

          • wyoming is nuke free by the grand tetons… safest place to be come nuke day!

            • Fallout is the gift that will just giving…

            • Fallout is the gift that will just Keep giving.

      9. It is overdue for the rest of the world to subdue “the adversaries to all men.”
        1 Thessalonians 2:15

        Prosecute the guilty; leave the innocent alone.

      10. I just read this on the Daily Crux…

        China just sent a frightening warning to the U.S.

        “China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War…”


      11. It amazes me how many folks here believe Iran to be a threat to anything. It is apparent that many still ignorantly soak up the gov corps propaganda.

        The corp wants war everywhere. To get it started it must create aggressors. Iran is one of those “created aggressors” and nothing more.

        Wake up people. The enemy has no towel on their head. They have suits and ties and reside in the District of Columbia, and the City in London.

        Apparently there are still many preppers who are as clueless as the sheep.

        • I think that its common sense that Iran is a threat unless you just completely disregard everything thier leadership constantly spews. I’m not saying that they are not used by our own govt. to create fear to justify taking more of our liberty, but to just disregard Iran completely would be foolish.

          • To expect Iran to lay down and refuse to defend itself when the US military practically has it surrounded would be silly. If the corp would end it’s illegal wars in the region Iran would have need to talk up its defenses.

            To leave the area and disregard Iran would not be foolish, it would be sound foreign policy that would result in peace as opposed to war.

            Don’t be fooled by the show being put on. The People of Iran, and People everywhere want peace in their countries. The gov. corp wants war, so they will say whatever is needed for you to agree.

            Apparently they have said the right things.

            • Iran wants peace so much that they’ve been acting like terrorist for years. How peaceful is it to export their missiles to the other terrorists who constantly shoot them at Israel?

              Wake up, friend.

            • I agree that we should get out of these wars and that we need to bring our troops home from around the world, and i agree with RP that we need to quit giving money to any country (i’m talking about the federal govt. and not private giving), however i’m willing to bet that Iran would still pose a threat to us (their leadership and not the general population) simply because animosity has been built up for so long between the two countries. I may be completely off base but thats just MHO.

        • Talk about clueless…Iran IS a threat, they have been fighting a proxy war with the west for 30 Years…that being said, TPTB see them as a pawn and will use the Iranian threat to further their agenda…remember there are multiple agendas and multiple threats all being played against each other. Its only the clueless who try to simplify it down to something they THINK they can understand…stop listening to Alex Jones

          • How is Iran a threat to YOU? Or to me or anyone else who comes here? What has Iran done to destroy your rights here at home?

            Anyone who believes Iran a threat to their personal safety or that of the People of this country are the clueless ones.

            When are the supposedly awake going to become the understanding? The war is here and now. It is for the power to create and control the money we use.

            Everything else is a side show put on by those seeking to keep control of money creation to scare the people into letting them keep it.

            Clueless, I would say, is probably the right word. It was just directed the wrong way.

            • If you love Iran so much, then move there.

            • Who loves Iran?

              It is not that difficult to understand Iran. If you threaten a country, it has to respond to the threat in whatever way it can to deter the aggressor. In this case the US military controlled by the bankers.

              Their enemy is the same as ours. At least they are standing against it, while it plunders us.

              The enemy of our enemy is our friend.

            • Mac, I think you need to allow a poster to only give his own post one thumbs up or anothers one thumbs down, it makes it look like your ALL readers are idiots…

          • @ gods creation…

            There is one major flaw in your plan. The only thing standing between you and Iranians killing you and the rest of us is the US military! Anyone who thinks that the Iranians dispute ends with the removal of our government is naive. Once our government is out of our way they will exterminate every last one of us! Not just the Christians, not just the Jews and not just you idiots who think that they are your friends! They will kill your whole family-brutally!! If you think diffently just listen to there own words! They are telling the world this but the world wont listen! YOU ARE THE INFIDEL !!!!!!

        • This.

      12. MOSAD why not it’s what they do!

        • by way of deception… (link)

          • Jesus was NOT speaking about Iran here:

            “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.”
            John 8:44



            (1) scholarship (including Torah scholarship), (2) sexuality, and (3) hospitality
            The Talmud: The Steinsaltz Edition, Vol II, p.49

            (4) lying to gentiles (Baba Kamma 113a)

            (5) for “peace” (meaning, “it’s OK to lie to keep out of trouble”) (Yebamoth 65b)

            (6) when everyone should know you are lying, “guzmah” (Hullin 90b)

            It is strictly forbidden to moser [inform the non-Judaic authorities on] either a Jewish person or his property. One who mosers a Jewish person or his property has no share in the world to come. (Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat, 388)

            The Culture of Deceit, Parts 1 & 2

            Swindlers’s List

            “I describe incidents which may or may not have happened but which are true.” Elie Wiesel in Elie Wiesel: conversations By Élie Wiesel, Robert Franciosi, (1970), p 33.

      13. Good evening,

        1. Today we heard that Russian ships left for the eastern Mediteranean, an escord to the air-carrier “Admiral Kuznezov”. Expected to arrive by mid December.

        2. Mac, the Greek news wrote today that the Budapest mayor is giving fines to homeless people of the town, of the amount of $600.00. Is it true?

        • 2. Mac, the Greek news wrote today that the Budapest mayor is giving fines to homeless people of the town, of the amount of $600.00. Is it true?

          How on earth is a homeless person going to pay a fine? Good thing in my state is that one can not be put in jail for failure(refusing) to pay fines, even traffic fines.

          But it does sound like something a politician would want to do since it would not affect them in the least.

          • Gods Creation,

            I really don’t know which satanic and evil mind thought such a thing. But it comes from a rather reliable source:
            You cannot actually read it because it’s in Greek, but i’m posting it anyway.

            It actually says that either they pay the fine or they end up to jail.
            Probably it belongs in the same circle of measures taken for Christmas, and is happening in Greece too. The “good” and faithful Christians cannot watch the homeless. It’s very sad to buy the expensive “Louboutins” for your wife, when others are hungry for days.
            What a sick world it is my friend.

        • What an unexpected irony that we depend on Russia and China to keep the genocidal maniacs at bay!

          Chabad leader “the Messiah” Rebbe Schneerson taught that Christianity is a form of mental illness.

See his video here:

          “And for Christians let there be no hope…” Birkat HaMinim, “Benediction” #12 of the Shmone Esreh

          “It is our duty to praise the Master of All, to ascribe greatness to the molder of primeval creation, for He has not made us like the nations of the lands, for He has not assigned our portion like theirs nor our lot like theirs, for they bow to vanity and emptiness and pray to a god who cannot save–man, ash, blood, bile, stinking flesh, maggot, defiled men and women, adulterers and adulteresses, dying in their iniquity and rotting in their wickedness, worn out dust, rot of maggot [and worm]–and pray to a god who cannot save.” Aleinu from Judaic prayer book, Two Nations in Your Womb, Israel Jacob Yuval, University of California Press, 2006, p.119

          “I want to attack their souls.” Rabbi Abraham Heschel, interviewed by Geula Cohen for Ma’ariv, January 4, 1965 as translated by AJC/Paris

      14. Anyone who thinks that we should be going into war with Iran has no clue that the New World Order exists.

        These people need to go to youtube and watch Alex Jones movies like:

        “9/11: The Road to Tyranny”

        “Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State”


        “Obama Deception”

        And, of course, “Loose Change: The Final Cut”

      15. It amazes me how many folks here believe Iran NOT to be a threat to anything. It is apparent that many still ignorantly IGNORE History’s lessons about appeasement and the Holocaust.

        How can Iran only be considered a “created aggressor”? They were openly allied with the Nazi’s during WW2 and they only take every possibility to threaten Israel to blow them off the map, while at the same time denying the WW2 Holocaust.

        Due you really consider Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s documented threats to be some elaborate US / Israel computer generated hoax? How can you so willingly, foolishly ignore his threats that have been followed by his missile tests?

        Folks, the rockets and small missiles that are being shot at Israel are actually real, and the originate in IRAN and sometimes Egypt. By your attitudes and comments, I have to conclude you support such terrorist actions.

        I guess many of you will celebrate when Israel has a nuke go off over their heads. Just don’t go whining when Iran pops one off over your head as well. I really won’t want to hear it.

        No wonder this country is in the sorry shape it’s in.

        • Iran-Israel……not our problem. Allies? How much money has Israel given to US in foreign aid? How many contires has Iran attacked in the last 300 years? Sure sounds like Israel is on offense here not defense. PROTECT THIS COUNTRY BEFORE ENTANGLE OURSELVES IN OTHERS POLITICAL AND SUICIDAL AGENDAS.

        • The Israel of the present day is not the Israel of the Bible. It is a Crusader state, and an Antichrist state.

          Witness the symbol on the flag, the star of Remphan, a demonic entity. The Bible symbol for Israel is the fig tree, and the burning bush.

          Most Christians just aren’t too bright anymore, unfortunately, or they wouldn’t confuse the two.

          • absolutely true scott… it is a terrorist bloodthirsty wiccan feminazi state.. it is an illegal immoral hell hole.. lets be quite frank about this… ISRAEL IS HELL … thats why lucifer… via the former soviet state of georgia…. rules the communist(western) world through tis ridiculous scam… jews and christains and muslims actually have lived together peacefully ther for long periods of time… until the luciferians come calling(calling=ready to kill )

            • Eeder hates women.

            • But, what do I know, MY thinking is scattered, according to Eeder. 😆

          • Yes, the STAR OF REMPHAM

            As to the hexagram, there is NO biblical reference to a “Star of David,” but there are references to the Star of Rempham (Acts 7:43) and Amos 5:26 notes:

            “But you carried a tabernacle for your Moloch, and the image of your idols, the star of your god, which you made to yourselves.”

            “And you took unto you the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Rempham, figures which you made to adore them. And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.” Acts 7:43

            • ~Thanks for having my back, JOHN Q~

              You know the “TRUTH”………..!!!!!!!!!!

          • Look into the Kabalah Scott, its also associated with Baphomet.
            Good post!!!

          • I agree with you about the whole Israeli-Iran topic and how they are NOT the current people of the Bible. What they currently are is a parasitic satanic group of people “not all of them though” that are hell-bent on conquering and controlling all they can and usery by any means. Jesus never taught anything they practice, I don’t see how people can call that place the promised land with a straight face.. Ignorance it seems, must be bliss intended for the masses. Actual jews, especially the Rabbi’s will spit after saying the name of Jesus if used in a conversation because Jesus’s name disgusts them. How can we or anyone else bless israel or support them when they have murderous tendencies in place, how can this be The “Holy Land”? I believe the jews who are the source of our problems historically have altered the Bible to their gain. After all, wasn’t Luke the only gentile who had a speaking part in the Bible and the rest Jews? I believe at one point it may have been the holy land and a real special place to be blessed, but this garbage I see before me I will not support and I want my country to be no part of. I do believe in Christ The Messiah and what he sacrificed for “nothing by which modern day Israel stands for” yet I do not support Iran, Muslims or any religious group other than Christians, which I firmly believe are God’s chosen people. If only Jews were God’s chosen people and he holds higher revere for them than God would be loving them more and playing favorites, and that is not of His character. I firmly believe we are being lied to and manipulated by the World’s greatest tricksters and it will ultimately take God/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit “The Trinity” to wipe this filth and all other ills from existence.

        • The reason this country is in such terrible shape is largely due to the fact that, the tribal group you so reverently support has made it that way!
          And once folks uncover the truth, the following statement become self-explanatory….

          –Jews don’t build civilizations, they contaminate them–

          Tell you what Matt, I’ll start a fund w/ $500, dedicated to buying you the rifle of your choice, a parachute & a one way plane ticket to Tehran! I volunteer to see you off at the airport, so you can be the first to kick some Iranian ass! Interested parties are free to contribute to Matt’s valiant endeavor on the behalf of israel(lower case intentional!)

          • You dont like black people either?

            • @ crash and burn

              It is Judaism that is racist, ESPECIALLY AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE. Here is what Judaism’s most revered rabbi, “the Great Rambam” teaches:

              “Some of the Turks and the nomads in the North, and the Blacks and the nomads in the South, and those who resemble them in our climates. And their nature is like the nature of mute animals, and according to my opinion they are not on the level of human beings, and their level among existing things is below that of a man and above that of a monkey, because they have the image and the resemblance of a man more than a monkey does.”

              Maimonides explaining who is not fit “to participate in the world to come” in his Guide for the Perplexed, Book III, chapter 51 cited in Israel Shahak, Hebrew University Professor, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years. London: Pluto Press, 1997. p. 25.


            • —to crash & burn—

              In response to your earlier & literally fictional account regarding Grandpa & Auschwitz, allow me to point out that Auschwitz is located in POLAND and Poland happened to be on the EASTERN FRONT, meaning it fell into the Russian zone of the war.
              If I recall correctly, it was Soviet Major General Golikov’s 3rd tank army that liberated Auschwitz in the mid-winter of ’44. So grandpa couldn’t have been there. Nice try though!

              Perhaps you should consider viewing the U-tube video interview w/ Dr. Franziek Piper (the curator of the Auschwitz Museum in Poland) by David Cole, himself a courageous jew, who got Piper to admit on film, that the so call “GAS (extermination) Chambers” were fake & were constructed by the Soviet Army in 1956 for propaganda purposes.

              Regarding the living conditions inside the camps in the west (i.e. Buchenwald for example), Nazi Germany was carpet bombed indiscriminately day & night. Their industry & infrastructure was decimated. The German high command eventually had to choose….supply the troops/German civilians or the slave labor camps. Naturally, they chose the former, but still tried to provide what they could to the camps. They’re still being crucified for trying.

              Referencing your Grandpa’s hatred of the Germans, yeah that was fairly evident within the 8th Army-Air Corp by January ’45 when American P-47 & P-51 pilots routinely strafed German farmers & their cattle in their fields…such brave warriors all!!!!! Then again, what of the estimated 1-1.5 million German soldiers who were given no shelter & starved to death in POW camps within the AMERICAN ZONE after WW-II had ended? Even PATTON objected to such inhumane treatment, but was overruled by Eisenhower, at the behest of one Henry Morganthou (zionist jew scumbag) in FDR’s State Dept!

              Crash, your out of your league on this one! Don’t attempt to argue intellectually unarmed, w/ someone who knows the truth / history. You & the bulk of docile Amerikana have been lied to all your lives, they don’t want you to think for yourself. They want you to accept & obey.
              In the end its for you to decide & you only. Finding the truth requires effort, you must work at it, searching, reading, discussing & ultimately weighing the facts & arriving at a conclusion via your intellect / logic.

              ———-Good Luck————

              P.S.) In response to your question relative to my lack of affection for negros…good guess!
              I don’t antagonize or associate w/ them except on a cordial business basis. I’m polite so long as they are. They leave me / mine alone, I reciprocate.
              I am not a supremacist! I am a separatist, but then again, so was Randy Weaver & the bulk of former SF guys…so I’m in good company!

            • Gunsmith ~

              I wouldn’t venture to argue history with you – it sounds as though you are very well read. I don’t think you are necessarily reading the right books, but you know a lot about your topics.

              What I WOULD argue with you is your sense of decency. I can’t really wrap my head around why one person can feel that his race makes him superior. Religiously, scientifically, morally and rationally, there is no argument that makes that acceptable to me.

              Clearly, I’m not out to change your mind, because I’m certain that it cannot be changed by anything I might type. It just seems to me that this is such an extreme form of arrogance as to create it’s own level of ignorance.

              I know that sounded very rude, and believe it or not, I’m actually just curious about what makes people like you tick.

              How do you morally and humbly consider yourself to be above the other people that God has created?

          • Hey Gunsmith….FUCK YOU (From a half Jewish American Vet with multiple Polish family members killed in Treblinka and Auschwitz.)

            Their crime? Running a tailoring business….

            Goddammed redneck fucks like your stupid undereducated hillbilly ass are what brings this country to it’s knees al ot faster than “Jewish conspiracies” and crack addicts in the inner cities.

            You fucking bastard piece of shit

            • Undereducated? It is you that is uneducated about history.

              Exactly as Gunsmith described, see the videotaped interview of the Auschwitz director admitting that the “gas chamber” was fabricated AFTER the war by the Communists with a wooden door, a “homicidal gas chamber” that has NO safe means of introducing or removing cyanide, and has NO cyanide residue. The “holocaust” is a lie initially fabricated by the Judeo-Communist Illya Ehrenburg, the USSR propagandist.

              The interview was conducted by David Cole, himself a “Jew.


            • Proof DNT…I require proof they were executed with malice aforethought! Insinuations do not count!
              They likely died from Typhus & you know it!

              —–Fuck you too—–

            • I can’t believe how well all that profanity helps to convey your point!

              And your approach to dealing with people you don’t agree with is so much better than his!

              Dude, seriously. Grow the fuck up you pussy.

            • Hey Death and Taxes, I cordially invite you to go fuck yourself sideways with a menorah. Gunsmith is RIGHT on the MONEY with his statements.

              Here’s some history you will NOT hear from the ADL: One of my cousins was among the 20,000 Polish officers and intelligentsia murdered by Stalin’s Jewish NKVD at the Katyn Forest (and other places in the Soviet Union) in early 1940. He had been an officer in the Polish Air Force, and he went underground in a secluded area near his home town when the Polish state and armed forces precipitously and totally collapsed in September 1939 after being attacked from all directions of the compass.

              My cousin was in an area that fell in the Soviet Zone of Poland, and he was betrayed to the Red Army by local Jews, all of whom JOYFULLY welcomed the invading Soviets with open arms. Isn’t it the stock Jewish phrase that the Germans “turned on their Jewish neighbors?” Well, in the towns of East Poland, many of the young local Jewish punks were suddenly seen walking the streets, armed with Moisin-Nagant rifles and sporting red armbands as Red Army auxiliaries. They were turned loose on the Polish population and were able to indulge their sadism to their heart’s content, serving their red masters extremely well.

              Not only in East Poland, but also in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Romanian Bessarabia (following Soviet occupation in 1940), the local Jews acted the same way during that period, joining the Soviet security organs that drew up the arrest lists of local “bourgeois” and “reactionary elements” earmarked for liquidation (millions were also deported en masse to a slow death in Siberia with the willing cooperation of the local Jews).

              They also sacked local Christian churches and desecrated them, turning some into warehouses, some into “Komsomol” clubs, and others into public lavatories. Needless to say, the local synagogues remained untouched.

              That’s why German troops, who were greeted as LIBERATORS by local populations after launching their PRE-EMPTIVE attack on Stalin on June 22, 1941, had to stop the Poles, Lithuanians, etc., from taking revenge on those Jews who did not flee with the retreating Red Army.

              There’s one photo from the period in particular that comes to mind, showing Lithuanians in Kaunas chopping up a bunch of Jews with pick-axes, after finding the remains of their relations in the formerly Jewish-run NKVD prison which the German Army had liberated and thrown open in its eastward advance.

              So you know where you can stick your Auschwitz stories and violin music for your alleged relations who probably died of the Typhus that was endemic to wartime central Europe.

              By the way, cursing and hurling invective as you do is a hallmark of Israeli “argument”. Did you graduate form Hasbara school?

            • Death,

              You are so right. It seems that this site is falling to anti-semites who reinforce each other’s beliefs. THey don’t accept the events of history because the events don’t fit into their neat little prejudices. Israel may have done some things we don’t like. Do readers really think that we don’t have CIA ops in Israel? They are one small nation surrounded on all side by neighbors who want to destroy the Great and Lesser Satans. THey are our ouly ally againt those who want to see us submissive to the cult of Islam. Jewish bankers …. do you mean ther are no Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian bankers, etc.? Too many things here today that I don’t agree with, but unwarrented ingorance founded in prejudice seems to be today’s special. No death camps? As I recall, Ike had US troops march into them so they could not be denied.

        • It amazes me how many people on a site like this believe the MSM and American govt……..should we coin the phrase sheeple preppers?

          • I know it is kind of taboo to reply to your own post, at least I think it is….LoL

            But in the last few hours since last visiting I see a discouraging trend in the amount of uninformed and ignorant sheeple preppers who have shown up by gauging the likes vs. dis-likes in many of the posts regarding Iran/Israel

        • Matt, I hear ya man, but who’s the bigger threat to our American way of life? The maniacs that want to enslave the world through economic collapse and war, or the nation of Iran?

          Driving a car to work is a threat to my personal safety, too. In other words, pick the greater of the 2 evils…

          And besides, I can’t speak Arabic, so I have NO idea what AmaDinnerJacket (I like that one, lol) is saying. All I know is what the whore media is telling me he’s saying…

        • Right on Matt my brother, the people coming to this place just keep getting dumber, critical thinking is a lost skill on both sides of the aisle. They all have been brainwashed by a maniac…Alex Jones

      16. The cold scary feeling creeping up the back of my neck….

        It boggles my mind that, if you believe the propaganda spewed by TPTB, we go to war to hunt down ONE lousy terrorist and yet we sit there picking our respective butts while weapons of mass destruction are being churned out in a place that despises us.

        With all the chaos going on, it would be nice if we could just pick one freakin’ thing and fix it. Suggestions, you ask? Why, thank you for asking, I have a few.

        ~ Feed the hungry
        ~ Clean out Washington and start from scratch
        ~ Make “The Fed” go away. Now.
        ~ Remember our roots and go back to a constitutional republic
        ~ Get rid of the enemies that want to blow us up – whether they are foreign or domestic.

        Can we just pick one thing and do it right? We need to get the ball rolling in the right direction, instead of busily removing freedoms and checking out belly button lint.

        • ~feed the hungry? you first must steal the food from someone… it doesn’t grow on trees or fall from heaven. This statement clashes with all principles of liberty unless you mean each individual voluntarily helping a neighbor
          ~clean out DC? and who do you put in… another Obamanite? I’m afraid that’s what you would get.
          ~make the FED go away? congress could do that right now… won’t! and have no reason…they get paid.
          ~ Remember our roots and go back to a constitutional republic? Absolutely!
          ~ Get rid of the enemies that want to blow us up – whether they are foreign or domestic.? Watch out what you ask for… The defense authorization bill is being voted on now… and they will label us enemies!!!

          This is all a distraction and on purpose. Get ready! The Constitution is already gone and we are already done for.

          The S will HTF soon and it will not be fun for most of us.

          • *big sucking sound which is the wind out of Daisy’s sails*

            If you think about the idiotic amounts of money that our government simply wastes, you absolutely cannot convince me that there is not enough reallocated money to see to it that everyone has something to eat without stealing from someone else. Hungry people will be a HUGE source of crime, also, and we don’t want that. I’m not suggesting that we put everyone on the dole – I am suggesting that there are ways (for someone smarter than me to figure out!)to keep our people fed and to put them back to work doing it!

          • Did you really just claim that food does not grow on trees?

          • Ragnar, you’re argument that food must be stolen…blah..
            No, just refrain from giving our taxes to the welfare crowd to fund their Chinamart trips EVERY 1st of the month…and redirect that into food for the hungry.
            Clean out DC?? Yep–and replace them with mothers, wifes, that know how to balance a damn checkbook..and know that too much in is good!! too much out is BAD!!
            Get rid of our enemies??…with common sense and courts not full of judges with their own agendas; like the one taking kickbacks from the juvenile home for sending children w. offenses as small as graffiti there for months, ruining their lives. Sad.

            • Added note: I always found it odd/unfair/confusing that money is GIVEN for food to those that don’t work or even make an effort to help themselves by the same govt/agency that refuses to help working citizens that are just not making ends meet, but do work and have unexpected hardships.

        • If we can accomplish 2-5 on your list then #1 won’t be as needed. I pray we can…but we need leaders like our founding fathers and we need a lot of brave American’s to get the job done. Perhaps, there are some on this sight?

        • God save the Queen.

          • Why?

            • Because she’s a snazzy dresser.

            • Carolie ~ Anonymous likes to say that to me because I am an American living in Canada. He/She says that at least once a day to make his/her displeasure known.

              It’s soooooo humbling. 🙂

        • ~Miss Daisey~

          At no point during any post I’ve authored, on any thread, have I stated that “I am a supremacist” or believe / adhere to a WHITE SUPREMACIST belief! That madam, is an easily verifiable fact!

          I have stated that I’m a separatist. There is a huge difference between the two words, definition wise. I do not associate with Negros on my own time, I spend it w/ family. When I am engaged in discourse w/ them at work, I am cordial & polite. I treat them as I would desire to be…Again, they leave me / mine alone, I reciprocate. No harm done.

          I do believe that many jews (not all) are the antithesis of Christianity & Western Civilization because history & an extremely precise study of scripture & Jewish writings validates my opinions.

          Interestingly enough, a friend (profession = lawyer)who is jewish and prominent in the jews against zionism movement, has advanced my comprehension of his less respectable brethren & their opinions of our faith(& not to mention all so called non-jewish races).
          Guess what? Christianity is NOT approved of, it is derided / sneered at / despised to the point of blasphemy! BTW, he’s an atheist!
          Yet he’s able to cite attorney, plaintiff, law, court, judgment etc…etc w/ regards to nearly every single piece of anti-Constitution / anti-life / pro-tyranny legislation & judicial decision, ever passed in my country and especially who wrote, proposed, guided & financed it to passage! I am indebted to him for that knowledge. It was he, who loaned me the book:…”The 13th Tribe”…(written by yet another rare brave jew -Arthur Koestler-), who proves “illegitimate” the claim that Ashkenazim-Jewry has on the holy land! You really ought to read that book!

          As far as superiority of Religion? Well yeah, I think Christians do have a leg up on everybody else! Am I missing something?

          Miss Daisey, at the end of the day, real Christians are supposed to be fearless in the face of wickedness & real Christian men are expected to be such when confronting HIS enemies in this realm! Thus, it doesn’t matter whether those who blaspheme him, his Son & his creation are Muslim, Jewish, pseudo-Christians, Buddhists or whatever….a stand must be taken in the defense of his TRUTHS.


          • Thank you for that explanation.

            While I disagree with you on many points, please know there was no disrespect intended – simply curiousity.

      17. Zhang Zhaozhong is to China like Baghdad Bob is to Iraq. What he says is a joke. Much like their current military power.
        Most important is what Russia states it backing of Iran will be. That statement is being made with the movement of the Kuznetsov.

        • One underestimates China at thier own peril.

      18. Matt,

        I replied to your first post above. Think about it. How many crazy dictators are out there right now in charge of a country. Let me answer, “LOTS.” When does it stop? When do we pull OUR troops out and bring them home. It’s not up to the United States (really I should say the fuckers that are pulling the strings of the big U.S. puppet) to police the whole WORLD. After Iran it will be another country and then another. Wake up!

        • I responded to the first comment.

      19. Greetings Everyone!
        Just to put the whole Iran thing into perspective.
        The US aided and supported the Shah of Iran when he was in power.A most evil and vile dictator to his people supported by the CIA and MI5 until even they couldn’t keep Humpty Dumpty on his throne any longer.Thanks to our very own government,the people who threw him out hated us with very good reason.Add the whole muslim religious dogma craziness and we have the Iran of today.Are they making nukes?If your avowed enemies have WMD,you better get some too.Hence the “program” the Iranians have.I don’t doubt some kind of actions on both sides will happen soon.Just add a little mobster Russia,a sprinkle of Godless Communist Chinese “supporting cast members” and a America filled with corrupt bankers and vile corporations and what do we produce?
        I think I have said enough.
        Best to All here
        hope you can stay warm

        • Actually, Iran is NOT making nukes. It has called for the region to become a nuclear-FREE zone. Ahmadinejad argues that nukes are useless — they didn’t save the Soviet Union from collapse, and they didn’t save Israel from defeat in 2006 in Lebanon. Khamenei has repeatedly condemned the stockpiling, development and use of nukes as a sin against to Islam.

          Iran cannot possibly compete with the U.S. (several thousand nukes) and Israel (200-400 nukes). So it doesn’t even try. Its defense strategy as asymmetric: It focuses on cheap counter-measures.

          Iran’s nuclear power project is part of a larger effort to develop alternative energy sources. Iran is becoming a leader in wind and solar technology, for example.

          • Sorry Charlie! You have been drinking the kool aid. Personally I believe that Iran has a right to nuclear weapons just like everyone else in their neighborhood, but that doesn’t change the fact that Israel is not going to let them acquire these weapons.

            As for Iranian Alt Energy, huge new major untapped oil and gas fields have been located repeatedly in Iran over the past couple of years.

            Iran now has about 25% of the world’s known reserves: enough energy to last them hundreds of years. No need for alt energy or nukes.

            That’s just a cover.

          • Greetings!
            Charlie:It only took one or two bullets to start “The Great War(WWI)”.One small underpowered nuke that “misses it’s target” from the ragheads could ruin everyone’s day.
            I’ve read some of the stuff from the “leadership” in IRan.
            They hate Israel,the US(some people I know who are “raghead” passed out candy on 9/11 here! and these were the “safe” ones).I understand why,but DON’T condone it if you live here instead of there.
            I don’t buy the “atl. energy” story one bit.
            It’s growing cold and heartless all over the world,and it’s not the weather.

      20. China will not back Iran in a war. Russia and China are not Iran’s natural ally. Russia is using Iran for weapons sales,leverage against the West via the missile defense shield in Europe. Russia has had a long history with Muslims and they do not like them. Case in point Chechnya.Russia will never allow a Muslim country getting nukes. That is why Iran’s nuclear program is shitty as hell.Russia is doing that on purpose to slow down Iran’s path to nukes. China is using Iran for weapons sales and oil.

        That being said war with Iran would be the dumbest thing our government can do. Iran does not have the delivery system for a nuke. Israel has about 400 nukes and can wipe out Iran in the matter of minutes, Israel is getting Dolphin nuclear submarines from Germany. Iran does not have the capability to miniaturize its nukes,put it on a warhead,and send somewhere. It will take Iran at least 10 years. So what Iran has two or three nuclear weapons with no good defense system and a poor economy?

        Russia also is using Iran to bargain private investments in Russia,Russia has it’s own energy source and if something happens with global supplies Russia can wake up very rich in the morning

        That being said war with Iran is just plain dumb. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge in warfare and economics know it will be bad for the middle east stability and the global economy. Iran’s conventional military stands no chance to win a war with the US. However Iran can strike at Israel and the west through asymmetrical warfare.

        Airstrikes against Iran by the US and Israel would delay Iran’s nuclear program by three years. Also the consequences would devastating across the middle east. . First, its nuclear program is built around deception,redundancy and hardening. Like the revelation of a second enrichment built under a mountain on a military base at Qom. Speaking of which, the facility at Qom also illustrates another feature – the amount of redundancy in its nuclear program. Since the US knew of Natanz, having a second site would have also made sense (and perhaps a third, and fourth, etc, whose existence has not yet been revealed). That way, limited bombing sorties of the sort that crippled the nuclear programs of nations like Syria or Iraq would not work in Iran.

        Plus Iran has alot of retaliatory weapon on its plate. The Strait of Hormuz is very narrow. Our own ships have a hard time passing it. Plus Iran has the longest shoreline to the Straits and will use it for its advantage. They will set up anti ship missiles(P-800 Onik,and Sunburn missiles),mines,suicide speedboats to harass ship going through. Second Iran has tens of thousands of ballistic missiles that it will target US military bases,and Persian Gulf oil fields. Iran will let let Hezbollah deal with Israel. Hezbollah has more katusha rockets then ever before,it has Fateh 110 missiles and scud missiles as well.Plus its many anti aircraft missilels such as the Russian-made-SA7 “Grail”, the SA-14 “Gremlin” and the SA-18 “Grouse.”
        These shoulder-fired SAMs are a point defense for covering mobile missile launchers like the M600 when exposed during the firing and retirement cycle. The goal will be to drive out the IDF in northern Israel and Hezbollah launches an attack in the northern Israeli towns. Of course this will fail but Hezbollah want to drag Israel into a quagmire by invading Lebanon. The Lebanese military made it clear if Israel invades Lebanon that they will side with hezbollah. Israel will go the path of total war against Hezbollah and Hamas.Israel will go all out.

        Iran will then use its Al Qods units and Shiite militia allies in Iraq to cross into Saudi Arabia and do sabotage in eastern Saudi Arabia and also instigate a armed Shiite insurrection. that alone will have oil skyrocket.

        Iran has formidable asymmetrical retaliatory capabilities. For example, all of these are vulnerable to Iranian sabotage or hundreds of Iranian missiles on the eastern side of the Gulf: from the narrow Straits of Hormuz, which still handles 25 percent of the world’s oil traffic; to Bahrain, the U.S. Fifth Fleet’s headquarters where the population is two-thirds Shiite and the royal family is Sunni; to Dubai, where about 400,000 Iranians live, including many who are “sleeper agents” or favorable to Tehran; to Qatar, now the world’s richest country with per-capita income at $78,000, which supplies the United States with the world’s longest runway and sub-headquarters for CENTCOM, and whose LNG facilities are within short missile range of Iran’s coastal batteries; to Saudi Arabia’s Ras Tanura, the world’s largest oil terminal, and Abqaiq, nerve center of Saudi’s eastern oil field. Also the US embassy in Iraq.

        War with Iran will not lead to American defeat but it will be very costly and would backfire. Iran would then go all out in its nuclear program if attacked. The price of oil could reach $400-500 barrel which would send the world into a depression. The only option to deal with Iran is with covert and sabotage. The defense department and military do not have the appetite for war with Iran.

        • MA: Interesting stuff but to no avail. WE can live with a nuclear Iran just as WE lived with a nuclear Soviet Union and Red China.

          Israel can’t. Israel won’t.

          Iran is much closer to a deliverable warhead than you believe. Six months on the outside.

          Israel will strike Iran before the end of the first quarter of next year with a “surgical strike” of its nuclear weapons sites using cruise missiles and 727 drones packed with thermalite, unless sabotage can be successful.
          sabotage has its limits. It doesn’t matter whether Israel is completely successful or not.

          Iran retaliates in the gulf against US assets.

          WE respond in SELF DEFENSE with overwhelming force to rid the Iranian nuclear threat for Israel. Meanwhile, Israel is terminating Hezbullah in Lebanon.

          Russia and China sit it out because Iran attacked US. China gets the contracts to rebuild a “democratic” Iran after regime change.

          With the existential threat to Israel over for the present, peace breaks out, a treaty is signed, “peace, safety”, and crony capitalism reign.

          Initial Earth Changes transform the global political map. The Day (Age)of the Gentiles is over. The SHTF for America and WE withdraw
          from the world scene leaving the world for Europe to police.

          Israel is besieged to give up its nuclear weapons. Armageddon arrives.

          Lots of events to occur over many years, but keep prepping. The important thing for you to remember MA, is that bathers on the west side of Atlantic Avenue must wear tops! 🙂

          • Go to Irang DK and tell them you are a gay fudge packer.

            • Rich99: Why, because I believe that Israel will attack Iran first, knowing that Iran will respond by attacking US assets in the Gulf as Iran has said they will if attacked by Israel?

              When We respond to the Iranian counter attack, WE will be responding in SELF DEFENSE. Perfect cover for the NWO Crony Capitalist Globalists and Dual Citizens in the US Depts of State and War.

              Russia and China sit this one out.

        • you said..”war with Iran would be the dumbest thing our government can do”

          and if thats the case than were fucked

          because the last I checked not one of these governMENTAL thick heads are bright enough to light a closet

          so they will probably go to war than

        • good breakdown, thanks

      21. china’s bluffing.

      22. china will kick the united states ass in a full blown war!

        america is broke!

        46 trillion dollars in debt.

        all china has to do is dump all it’s american purchased debt upon the stock market… by by america.

        not to forget china can field the worlds largest army and they have russia backing their every move.

        the amerika dream experience is over… get use to it!

        • You can field the worlds largest army but do they have the logistical capabilities to support them in times of war? No. Can they field full scale air and naval supremacy in a theater outside of Asia? No. In a full blown war the US can win. It’s strategy simple. Blow up the three gorges dam. Cut off their oil supply in the straits of Malacay. China has a strong military but it can only challenge the US in Asia. It does not have the same power projection as the US. And Russia and China are not natural allies(ie Cold War). Their airforce and navy does not stand a chance against American air power and naval power. You know know nothing of military capabilities and geopolitical events.

          • Aside from numbers, they’re woefully behind us. They wouldn’t be able send troops across the Pacific without having their navy obliterated. Their air force doesn’t even have precision guided bombers. Look at the Chosen Reservoir. 500,000 marines held off millions of Chinese.

            • we’ll see… china has way to much invested in america, australia , new zealand , africa they are using americas debt to buy the world … etc etc to just walk away… they just bought 50 square miles of IDAHO to turn into a tax free industrial zone… no americans allowed… the chinese are like ants… kick their ant hill and they will swarm over america!

            • Good analysis MA. Not to mention that China has its eye on ALL of the natural resources in Siberia including the fresh water.

              China sits this one out. Prepares for the next one.

            • Not to mention that everything China has, was made in China. Meaning it’s a piece of crap.

            • DK I think China is going to populate Sanjing and Tibet with Han Chinese first before considering risking a war with the Russians over Siberia. Extensive railroads of been built in those regions accerlerating the ability of the Han Chinese to travel and trade in these remote regions. If you watch the infrastructure development in these two sparsely populated regions, it is very similar to the US development of the frontier by railways in the late 1800’s. Matter of time a Chinese bureacrat will insitute a “homestead” policy to settle Sanjing and Tibet with Chinese prospectors once they get over their PC feelings toward the concept of citizens owning private property. Once that happens, China will settle these traditionally non Chinese regions rapidly. The only drawback is the Chinese settling into these regions (not the first time for Sanjing) in the imperial past have actually developed a frontier culture that takes less orders from Bejing and have a streak of rebellion and independence. China will do this before they invade another country for living space because she still has land open for settling (at the expense of the Tibetan and Sino Turks). It is like old west over there. So before China thinks about living space Han Chinese will have to populate western China to have stability.

            • MA: I understand what you are saying. They are doing a lot of mining in the area as well. I do not think they are looking for war with Russia over Siberia, but that is their natural expansion, not California.

              Did you make the move to VB?

            • I think China is waiting until Russia’s very weak. Russia’s population is going stagnate for years to come. If hard times hit Russia again I expect civil war because of those neo nazi,skinhead,ultrnationalist militias in Russia.They could be unsuccessful in overthrowing the Russian govt but they could put the nation in a civil war. Russia is what Mexico was during the 1830s when American went into Tejas. If Russia touches those Chinese illegal immigrants China will intervene. The situation is similar before the Mexican-American War. Russia is getting weaker. China’s population is getting restless so a war could be in the future. And I will start moving to VB around the summer of 2013. I have to finish school here first.

          • How well do9 you suppose our logistic systems will work if China’s first order of business is to start knocking out our satalites?

        • china cant even feed their people with out the u.s. supply them grain and corn….so how does a hungary soldier fight?
          it would never go nuclear either…..cant proffit from it.

          • China is 95% self sufficient in corn.

            • Im just going on what bloomberg news said.

            • CAB: I know, I was surprised some months ago by the stat on corn. Had to look twice. The Chinese are working hard to be totally self sufficient in everything.

              They also keep food and oil reserves so they would not be subject to market whims.

        • Why would China dump their bonds and crash the market? Sure, they could, but they would lose massive amounts of value in the process. And wreck the largest consumer of their cheap, crappy goods.

          They have their own problems there, do you know.

      23. Push the button, I don’t care anymore. We will reap what we sow eventually, so lets just get ww3 over with!! All this f$cking bull$shit, last 10 years of wars for what??? so the us dolllar is used as the reserve currency of the world??? We are a corrupt nation to the core. May our children forgive us, and may god be merciful. P.S. F$CK IRAN! F$CK ISREAL, F$CK the starving children of the world. F$CK THEM ALL! God bless america!

        • A million babies are surgically aborted every year in the USA and uncountable millions more are chemically aborted by “birth control.” The USA murders millions around the world and supports Israel’s murder of women and children.

          Why would God “bless” America?

          • I cannot argue with that, you are right, and I do not support those actions. I should have said- God bless the people of the united states.

          • He won’t.
            He will judge it & find it wanting!

      24. Ummmm… it a full moon?

        This discussion has crossed over from a discussion into a whole ‘nother animal.

        Can I request that we try some civility? I think we all learn a whole lot more that way.

        • ;0( sorry @ms. daisy…

          been there and it’s not pretty what we americans do to folks in other countries to “FREE” them of their natural resources gold and free monetary banking systems!

          my apologies to those offended. except for @matt and @farmpuss. who obviously support killing women and children in cold blood.

          • ninaorket,

            I think I know the intent of your comment but it’s not “we americans” that are doing anyting. It’s our corrupt government and the NWO. We all know that, right?

            • He can’t see anything through his own racism… oh how quickly he forgets the Muslims dancing in the street in joy on 911.

            • Just Matt,
              Don’t forget the U.N. They have set a new standard for corruption. No one is safe from those smurf helmets!

            • @just matt ;0) yes sir correct… though we are all as american citizens guity by association, it is we who provide the very meat by which the military industrial machine grinds! every woman child and weak man who suffers dies at our hands in gaza, israel, egypt, syria afghanistan , pakistan etc etc do so by your the americans citizens assistance and money!

              @matt yur’ an ass it was the “5 jewish students” who were waiting with camera’s an filmed it as it happened 9/11 and were witnessed and even reported to 911 police ny hotline! shall i gone… an i’m not a racist… i go by the facts of what the zionist jews do and have done for the last 2000 years.

              it’s funny how you all want war , but when someone comes after YOU personally with just a keyboard you cry for help! ya puss!


          • Nina,
            I haven’t seen eye to eye w/100% of your posts, but you’re absolutely RIGHT w/ regards to Matt. He’s a troll, albeit a rather slick / sick one.
            Maintain a stout heart pal…you own the high ground!!!

            • I’m not responsible for the actions of TPTB and if someone tries to hurt me or mine because the believe otherwise, I will do my best to defend myself and my Country. That being said, israel is a satanic cesspool and should be destroyed.

            • @gunsmith , ;0) thanks…

          • Wow Nina, you’re a real A*hole. “We Americans” don’t do jack to folks in other countries. “We Americans” pretty much just take care of our families, work hard, and mind our own business. “We Americans” are not the government and most in the governement aren’t even real Americans. Speak for yourself turd hound.

            • I think by “we Americans” he is referring to the people in our armed forces who serve in these other countries.

              I’m not military but I could easily see how a mob mentality could overried a person’s common decency in a high-stress situation. I can also see how the residents of those countries could cometo hate us.

      25. I do believe Iran is under attack and so far they have show amazing stregnth to resist the urge to launch missles at us. I know if someone was killing our scientist as thiey leave for work, blowing up sites, threatening to attack us and conducting a cyber attack on the USA we would NOT show any restraiant. We would blow the crap out of them.

        Iran has gone “Gahndi” and is now looking like the victem, rather than the bully. Brilliant move by thier supreme leader. This dude makes our best and brightest looks like retards.

        Another brilliant move is to allow the press to smear the president of Iran and allow him to look like a bafoon. The supreme leader is the true one to watch and this guy is extremely smart. Not like any of the puppets the US has takn down recently.

        • Rachel; that is the biggest bunch of crap that you have ever posted. Iran showing amazing strength to resist not launching missiles at US?


          Iran gone “Ghandi”?

          Pure ignorance!

          Iran allows the western LSM to make their President look like a buffoon?

          You are out of your mind and your element! Stick with the cartoons.

        • I know if someone was killing our scientist as they leave for work, blowing up sites, threatening to attack us and conducting a cyber attack on us…

          Uh, Rachel…they are—our very own govt and abc agencies!!!

      26. I feel like a pawn in a GIANT (dangerous) game of chess!

        • LOL reminds me a a old movie. ( Mongo just a pawn in game of life)


        • RWmom… you feel like one because you are one… this you understand…. zionist love however is your downfall… a dangerous one i would suggest.

      27. There is no war going on in Iran. Bullshit alert.
        This would be all over the news and besides cowrdly u.s. and Israel only fight defenseless nations.

        • Dick99 and Nina seem to have plenty to say about the US and Israel but are strangely silent about the muslim community. You guys must be followers of the camel humping mohammed (pig bile be upon him). If you want to point everything that is screwed up in this world, you can’t leave that bunch of nutburgers off the list unless you’re among them.

          In most of their countries, women are second class citizens or less, human rights violations abound, as does child molestation. They kill each other over centuries old disputes and are THE biggest promoters of hate and intolerance ON THE PLANET!

          What say ye?

          • What a stellar example of an unbiased and tolerant individual, Paddy.

            Do you want to be “Pot” or “Kettle” in this conversation?

            • I’ll go for “kettle” Daisy, I quit pot when I turned 19.

              Just trying to put some of these dopes on the defensive since they seem to be so determined to be offensive. I don’t claim to be unbiased or even all that tolerant, but the radical muslim world demands tolerance and acceptance when they refuse to reciprocate. Religion of peace my arse.

              I just wonder how many of the people on this forum that bash America and Israel would turn around and defend muslim terrorists (or at least refuse to condemn) and say they are the lesser of the these evils, or nor evil at all.

              That’s my point; if you’re so quick to codemn the US, where do you stand on say, the Taliban?

          • @paddy i wrote a beautiful response in yiddish defending the prophet mohammed and it was axed for being to harsh!

            so i’ll say this… the zionist jews of the world will be their own undoing! the jews will fail…

            and leave it at that.

            • Old-lady-in-Brooklyn Yiddish or High German Yiddish?

      28. I think we need a group hug, there is more negativity today then usual. Where is M. Moore when we need him.

      29. Luckily China is downwind…go ahead China – make our day.


      30. Life is good, as I sit and watch all the restless bloggers fight… BTW my venison chile is to die for..

        • For or with?

          • anonymous

            For of course , but also would make a great last meal..LOL..Hunting season has been good to me so far this yr.


        • Venison chilli you say… is there biscuts or cornbread to go with that by chance? Tonight is leftovers night at my place, but I gotta say tomorrow looks like we are having venison chilli. You planted the seed my friend lol.

          • Fed up,
            Yes the cornbread is ready just waiting for my GF to get home to dive in, Cold wintery day here in the TX panhandle, butr somehow I think we’ll make it just fine.
            Glad to hear you got some venison for your freezer my friend

            Have a great day

        • Hey DPS…..have you canned any venison??
          We got Chicken breast on sale last night….
          $ 1.00 a pound !!!! I’m canning right now and
          making chicken stock too.

          Everybody……KEEP PREPPIN’

          • Happycountrymom

            Nope have not canned any yet, but I have dryed alot of it and my daughter gets 100Lbs of it. After she picks it up I go get me a couple more and then will start canning.


            PS the chile I made with veggies and spices right out of my garden.

      31. Gunsmith, can you email me?

        • Post an address.

            • ~John Q~

              Book marked! Thanks!
              Wasn’t aware it existed!
              How did you guess I was “old school / traditional?”

            • @ Gunfighter

              You are going to want to read Douglas Reed’s “The Controversy of Zion,” ISBN: 0-945001-38-X, written in the 1950’s, but not published until 1978 (yep, you know why). The book was brought to my attention by Dr. Robert Sungenis review that will be in the January issue of Culture Wars.

              “The Controversy of Zion,” is a serious history of the “command and control” of Zionism. I’ve ordered my copy. You know that any book that has been suppressed like that has too much truth for the “adversaries of all men” to bear—and is exactly what the goyim need to know!

            • ~John Q~

              If you can find it, buy / read…”Trials-Tribulations & Triumph”…pertains to what’s happening globally today relative to the THREE DAYS of DARKNESS prophecy)!

              —so far its right on the money w/ the chronology of predicted events)—

              …try TAB Books for starters. Good luck!

      32. the whole bloody world is nuts… this i have become certain of.

        • You know what they say:

          “Everybody’s crazy but you an’me. And I got my doubts about you.”

          *pops another Prozzo, washes it down with a beer, and surfs the tube for some mindless diversion…*

      33. Do you guys know that all superpowers, including Israel, have scalar technology?
        Nukes are antiques and are totally USELESS against scalar offensive/defensive weapons.
        Therefore nothing to worry.
        Just cool off and enjoy looking at my “overcrowded” beach this morning.

      34. I really believe that they will use a E.M.P. bomb more than a nuke style bomb.I hear they are working on a super kind of E.M.P. Any one hear about this? If so, I like to Know more.

      35. Mac, you are wrong about main stream media not reporting this. has an article dated Nov 29 indicating that Israel probably did it and that it will delay Tehran’s development of long range missiles. And the NY Daily News has an article about it too.

      36. not sure if I can do a nuke scenario…..EMP yes…but multiple cities nuked, scorched earth, contaminated atmosphere, government survives, PLUS EMP…. I don’t think so….hope I’m in Houston at the zoo with wife & kids or something if they throw nukes on the ground….

      37. He would not confirm or deny Israel’s involvement in the blast, instead saying that there were “many different parties looking to sabotage, stop or coerce Iran into stopping its nuclear weapons program”.

        And there it is. He just admitted it.

        A bomb shelter is looking like a really good idea about now.

      38. After reading all this, I think there definitely must be a full moon! Whatever happened to respectfully agreeing to disagree or blogging etiquette. I have found very little constructive conversation going on today. No wonder we can’t fix the problems we are facing. I don’t agree with half of what I read on here, in fact I find most of it outrageous, vile and in some cases down right evil but I don’t go on the attack over it….not worth my time. It wouldn’t change anything anyway.
        I came to this sight several months ago, in hopes to find like minded individuals that are sharing idea’s, resources and experiences…not much of that going on lately. I don’t mind people venting…I get tired of screaming at the TV or my spouse too…but spewing insults and hatred is not helpful. Carry on…while I go back to my prepping.
        Prayers for all.

      39. This is a most fascinating story, and fascinating discourse. I get the impression that if TSHTF, even those here who survive will have issues…but hey.

      40. It seems as though the world’s chaos has caught up with the discussion on one of today’s subjects. Little bit of everything-“Can’t we all just get along”-“Nukem all”-Excellent military industrial complex lesson from Mardochee(no sarcasm, I thoroughly enjoyed it). One thing that we really take for granted though is our ability to speak our peace, voice our rants, and offer our prayers to each other and the world. Every thing is indeed “Goin to hell in a handbasket!” What do I think? I think this forum that Mac has given us does us all a great deal of good to express our views. I want to thank all of you along with Mac. I check this sight nightly,but rarely submit anything,but always enjoy everyones(even yours Nina)comments. This is still a FANTASTIC country to live in. The comments prove it. Kudos to you Manos for all of your updates, insight, and humor.

      41. So basically we’re about to get a bunch of nukes chucked at us from China and Russia and you’re still debating who’s wrong in this picture?


        Bit late for that dontcha think? I mean maybe in 1965 or something…

        Pick a side, say “they are wrong”. Cool. Now. What are you going to do about it?

        Get nuked, that’s what.

        This is rapidly ceasing to be hypothetical.

      42. This is starting to feel like a redux of July, 1914 (i.e., the period between the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand In Sarajevo on June 28 and the actual outbreak of shooting in Belgium and East Prussia on August 2).

        I wholeheartedly recommend the book “The Guns of August” by Babara Tuchman as a guide to where all of this may lead. Because JFK read this very book in 1962, and because he absorbed its lessons (the chief one being that WW I broke out because of miscalculations of the “enemy’s” intentions by ALL sides), he managed to avoid a nuclear war over those Russian missiles in Cuba. But JFK was a giant compared to the pygmys and whores that rule us today.

        Poor psychopathic, narcissistic, sabre-rattling Israel, in its mania to maintain its monopoly of terror in the Mid East, is about to drag the whole world into an abyss much worse than World War I.

        • And this is how WWII and the holocaust started..people like you believing one stream of propaganda of the tyrants while missing the other. They keep you confused with more than one stream for the purposes of division and you fail to critically analyze to see the true evil. They expect many to think they are lying so the exact opposite of whatever you HEAR them saying MUST be true. As someone else said above, there are real threats out there that they openly take action against but they do also use them to fulfill evil agendas. Things are much more complicated than so many of you want to make them.

          One of the constants of the universe is that the Jews are always the scapegoats, because their laws are anti-tyrannical and they are easy targets. As a people they have finally said enough is enough, we are not taking peoples shit any longer and we are going to defend ourselves and now they are more vilified than ever. The only threat Jews have ever been is by amplifying others shortcomings. (and no I am not Jewish)

          The only other constant is the brutality of the groups of humans who hate those who have what they covet but are too lazy. stupid, backwards, or brainwashed to achieve themselves.

          You all need to watch this video

        • ~Ahab~

          Thanks for the back-up!

          • It is my pleasure, my friend. In fact, it is always a pleasure to simply hear or read the truth being spoken in this time of universal deceit, so I also thank you (and John Q. and a few others) as well.

            • —–DITTO——–

      43. Reading some of the posts here, it’s not hard to figure out that many posters have no idea what it’s like being on a patrol or coming under fire or spending days, weeks and months being dirty, hungry, tired and always soaked in sweat. Don’t wish for war ….. The wars of Iraq and Afghanistan are mozzie bites in comparison to a “Total War” The world hasn’t really seen all out Total War for 66 years. Think about the devastation all those nuclear war heads and massed armies of Russia, China, Iran, India, NATO and the US have at their ” disposal” today. If you lived to see the end of this new war brewing, you’ll live to regret living.
        I really don’t want to see the lives of my friends and family destroyed just so a bunch of Politians can make a point!! Or for the sake of pride of one country over another.
        So for all you Gung Ho idiots ….. Please get your children down to the recruitment office today and while you give up little Billy’s life, please make a point of volunteering for the cause too!

      44. Cut the crap.

        You all need to get along, or I WILL pimp slap you…

      45. Why would anyone risk WW3 for Iran? And especially a nuclear iran. And it doesn’t matter if you are Russia, USA, china, pakistan, or france why would they want another country be it Canada iran Mexico or Switzerland to have nukes. Further more if iran is such a special partner to china then they can trade exclusively with their butt buddies and volunteerly stop exporting to that itty bitty little country the USA. Of course if there was a military action against iran then china and Russia would stand to make alot of money rearming them.

      46. the anti-semitism here and that it is allowed is truly astounding… it seems that the neo-nazi rhetoric is encouraged by the lack of site-management opposition to it, to say nothing of simply maintaining topic focus… freedom – of any kind – cannot be and is not freedom unless there are boundaries without which anarchy prevails… that said, those who mistakenly dismiss the historical facts of the Jewish Holocaust are baffoons, sheeple being led astray by those who would destroy true history… I have seen the tattoos on the inside of the bicep or down on the inside of their forearm… i’ve listened to the then relatively few i had contact with who were willing to even acknowledge why the numbers were there… but i assure you that even though you disbelieve it and no matter how often you deny it, the facts of the Jewish Holocaust remain unchanged and uneffected by your bigotry and willful ignorance…

        if the best any can offer on this or any similar site is degradation of one nationality/religious affiliation or another then i would question the motives for even participating and question the quality and character of the individual posting… in light of these things, i now question why i have even participated, knowing such conditions prevail…

        • I have contacted my Senator AND Congressman with conflicting responses. The Senator’s office denies our rights could be violated and sited sections 1031 and 1032 of the bill. The Congressman’s Foreign Affairs Legislative Assistant said this bill does pose this concern. They emailed me a copy of The Washington Post article that continues to raise concerns about this bill.

          My hunt for the truth continues!!!

          • “Right Wing” (sic) Mom, you are right to be concerned about this bill, but as a self-proclaimed supporter of Israel, I inform you that you are acting at cross-purposes with the people you support. That’s because the author of S-1867 (the “National Defense Authorization Act”) is none other than Senator Carl Levin, the Zionist Jew who is Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

            Levin, like the other Zionist dual-citizens in the US Congress, proposes and supports legislation only if it is in keeping with the best interests of Israel, which I assure you is their primary consideration, if not their ONLY consideration.

            On the eve of a potential World War III that is about the be launched by Amerika to safeguard the interests of Israhell, giving the regime’s security apparatus the open-ended right to incarcerate Amerikans in Amerika, indefinitely without due process of law, can hardly be said to be in the interests of the Amerikans themselves, can it?

            It is, however, totally in the interests of Israhell and its fifth-columnists in “our” government to be able to stifle domestic Amerikan opposition to the World War (and potential nuclear Armageddon) that they are about to lay on our dinner plate.

            It is totally in Israhell’s interests to make sure that the only opinions Amerikans hear are the false, pseudo-patriotic propaganda slogans pumped out by our dual-citizen owned media, to keep the hatred against Iran at boiling point, to cow thoughtful Amerikans into silence, and to keep a steady and undisturbed supply of docile, buzz-cutt, corn-fed Amerikan cannon-fodder at Israhell’s beck-and-call.

            So, if you really support Israel as you say you do, “Right Wing” (sic) Mom, you should support the removal of the last vestiges of the Amerikan people’s legal and constitutional rights. After all, it’s “good for the Jews.”

            Now, all you Fox-News watchers, let’s all join in with our favorite singing group, “Joltin’ John McCain and the Pederasts,” in a rousing rendition of “Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb-bomb Iran.” Think of how entertaining the carnage will be!

      47. If you had only one or two nuclear weapons, where would you secretly hide them in order to blackmail the rest of the world, with everyone knowing what you had done? This may be a question Imadinnerjacket has pondered for some time now – and so have I. What would be your reaction if you thought you MIGHT be standing on a possible nuclear target? The prospect of creating panic worldwide has intrigued me for some time as well. What would YOU do with your own nukes? We may find out the hard way. No politics, no ideology – just raw outcomes.

      48. What kind of ignorant dumb ass retard would be For a Nuclear Iran? Now go to your room and don’t come out until you get some God Damn sense!

        • Listen to your Mom, or I will have to whoop your ass!

      49. So, within the next 6 months when china becomes the first military force to mount an invasion onto american mainland, what kind of ammunition can i expect to pick up off of the bodies? And if anyone knows…what kind of military technology do they possess? Would we have to worry about hiding from u.a.v’s, decent night vision, i.r? Sorry, just trying to gather intel!

        • When you see the self discipline Chinese soldiers have, you won’t be too worried about searching for ammo from the bodies. You’ll be too busy running away. Try not to think in terms of Hollywood hero movie. You won’t be holding out like a bunch of kids in “Red Dawn” I think China and Russia are about to kick our butts this time around.

          • yeah and also this latest bill our senators have passed that allows our military to pick up Americans on American soil and detain them indefinitely, also makes not only sodomy in the military LEGAL, but also beastiality LEGAL!!

            Look at history in old testament times and see what God allowed to happen to militaries when they spit in His face like this

          • Discipline in what shooting unarmed monks and students?

          • Well thats why i was asking, i know full well i have no means of attacking any organized military head on, but the art of gurilla warfare is a powerful tool my friend. I will leave the assaults to the armed forces of our country, but u can bet your ass i will be aiding in any way possible. If that means isolating a patrol or two then i am perfectly capable of that. What i am asking is simply, does anyone know what kind of capabilities they have as far as weapons and tech? Should i just game plan to be dealing with our own military abilities just in a different uniform or???

        • @Pooh, you have no confidence in the American “Redneck”??

      50. What all you pacifists don’t understand is that
        it’s not 20,000 nukes vs. one or two. Its a
        doomsday cult in control of the ability to destroy
        the USA or Europe with ONE NUKE via EMP.

        Do your homework before you offer moronic
        moral equivalences.

      51. Doesn’t it strike anyone as interesting that this sort of propaganda reaches fever pitch just as the defense authorization bill comes up for passage and signing? Seems that Siavo is just another one of the Plutocracy’s dupes.

      52. Has it occurred to anyone that TPTB are more afraid that Iran might get the bomb… and do nothing?

      53. 1st of all… War Sucks A$$ and there is no other way to describe it.

        That said, both Russia and China are land sharks. Their ability to project military power to any distant shores is about nil. In addition to no serious naval power, they both have minimal air forces as well. And BOTH of them are well aware of this. They are not going to start anything and should probably just STFU about defending Iran with their dying breath or whatever other nonsense seems appropriate to them at the media sound bite moment.

        The Iranians also are not fools. They will know that Israel will nuke the s**t out of them if they are nuked first. No, Iran will not begin a nuke confrontation with either Israel or the US. What they WILL do, however, is make sure that a few of their nukes, uh, “accidentally” fall into the hands of their Taliban and Hezbollah buddies. Since neither of these groups has a fixed homeland that can be attacked in reprisal, they will feel free to use these weapons… and they will.

      54. ‘When two men fight over a coin, the Jew gets it’ — Old European probverb.

        WW I and WW II had Caucasian Europeans fighting and killing each other, en mass, to consolidate, via reconstruction, the global economic monopolization of Jewish bankers, not yet complete.

        In Farsi, the word for Aryan is ‘Iran’. Iranians are Persians… Caucasian!

        I will not fight and murder again as a dupe and tool against my own racial brethren for the Jew’s final stage in a messianic domination and enslavement of my people.

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