Michigan Triggers Constitutional Convention: Could U.S. Constitution Be Changed to Eliminate Second Amendment?

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    (Pictured: The Constitutional Convention of 1787)

    Editor’s Note: As highlighted in the article below by Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars, Michigan may have just triggered a modern-day Constitutional Convention. Though it’s not yet clear if Michigan’s call for a convention pushes us over the threshold due to procedural issues associated with the applications of other states, at the very least our Federal Congress will now be forced to review the situation.

    Our nation is broken, that should be clear. Our Founders left for us a  mechanism to fix it, and one of the most powerful is an Article V Constitutional Convention, which is designed specifically for the fifty states to initiate Constitutional changes outside of the purview of the federal government. The President of the United States, for example, will have absolutely no say in the matter and is unable to exercise veto power over Constitutional Amendments. The Federal Congress can do nothing more than oversee the Convention. And the Judicial Branch will have to abide by ANY and ALL ratified changes.

    What this means is that should Congress determine that the 2/3 state (34 states) qualification has been met, then the States will propose and then vote on Amendments to the existing U.S. Constitution. Keep in mind that this could mean the addition of Amendments in the form of codicils (Like the amendments that followed the Bill of Rights), or the complete removal of existing amendments. This could go either direction – good or bad, as Paul points out with the Second Amendment. The Founders did take steps to ensure that all, or at least most, Americans supported any proposes changes by requiring 3/4 (38) states to ratify any changes.

    This may be a welcome change for America at the present time. We’re sure our readers can think of scores of Amendments that would make America better. But, there is a flip side to that coin, and things could change for the worse should the States agree on changes that might, for example, “update” the Second or First amendments (or any of the others that are the pillars of American liberty).

    Could U.S. Constitution Be Changed to Eliminate Second Amendment?
    By Paul Joseph Watson

    The entire U.S. Constitution could be up for review after Michigan became the 34th state to vote in favor of a Constitutional Convention, satisfying a rule that states America’s founding document can be amended if two thirds of state legislatures approve the measure.

    Article V of the U.S. Constitution states that Congress “shall call a convention for proposing amendments” should the two thirds requirement be met, which it was last week when Michigan lawmakers endorsed the move.

    Following the vote, California Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter called for a Constitutional Convention to be given the go ahead.

    “Based on several reports and opinions, Michigan might be the 34th state to issue such a call and therefore presents the constitutionally-required number of states to begin the process of achieving a balanced budget amendment,” Hunter wrote.

    While some would welcome the opportunity to amend the Constitution to institute fiscal conservatism, others fear the move could easily be hijacked to negate parts of the document that protect fundamental liberties, such as the right to bear arms and freedom of speech.

    Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens recently called for ”improving” the Constitution by changing the second amendment so the right to bear arms only applied to those in a “militia” and not the general public at large.

    “Nevertheless, in such a convention, the ENTIRE Constitution is subject to review and can be altered and changed. This could be everything from installing “social justice” to the dissolution of the federal government. Everything is on the table as if we were back in 1776 Philadelphia,” writes Martin Armstrong, adding that the Michigan vote represents an, “unprecedented event to amend the U.S. Constitution.”

    Fox News’ Barnini Chakraborty notes that it is unclear whether the 34 state requirement has been met since some have rescinded their votes, but constitutional scholar Gregory Watson said there could be no take backs.

    “If it is ultimately adjudicated that a state may not rescind a prior application, then Ohio’s 2013 application for a Balanced Budget Amendment convention would be the 33rd and Michigan’s 2014 application would be the 34th on that topic,” said Watson.

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      1. They touch the 2nd and I believe it will be go time.

        • I don’t think you’re alone with this sentiment.

          The positive thing here is that 38 states must ratify ANY proposed changes. And, when the proposed Amendment goes to the states themselves, the legislature or State Convention is unable to make ANY changes to it… It’s a clean Yay or Ney vote.

          Thus, I see the possibility of removal of the Second Amendment to be fairly unlikely.

          There is however, some political gamesmanship that can come into play here, because the Federal Congress gets to determine HOW the states are to vote/ratify proposed Amendments… They can either send it to State Legislatures as those bodies exist now, OR, they can force the States to hold their own Conventions.

          My guess is, that because there are many more “Red” counties as opposed to “Blue” in the USA, they’ll try to avoid the latter and go with the former, and simply have this come down to existing legislative assemblies.

          So, really, this will all boil down to red vs. blue again, at least for the most part.

          I do believe that even blue states understand the need for the 2nd, 1st, 4th, and those will go untouched should a Convention take place.

          Of course, that’s all just theoretical.

          Also, we’re not even sure yet if the 2/3 (34) state threshold has been met because some states applied as far back as the early 90’s and then rescinded their applications… It is not clear if those particular states can rescind an application once submitted… So, we have a long way, I think, before we see any National Convention at this point…

          From what I understand the Constitutional Amendment process has taken upwards of 100 years in some cases…

          • Mac,

            Look at the way the constitution has been bastardized in the last 50-60 yrs. what will the double-talking jackasses do to it if they get to rewrite it? Nobody will be able to understand what it means.

            • Stig

              Haven’t you learned anything yet? First we have to pass the new constitution, then we try to understand it.

              They would have to fast track it. The article I read the other day made it seem like this couldn’t happen very easily. Too many laws/attorneys/bullshit….. The fact that some states have withdrawn is a biggie.

              • @ wrong

                Best laugh of the day! Thanks for that!

                • Not funny. That’s exactly what they’re going to do. The John Birch Society has warned about a con-con for 20 years. Now the same people who gave you Obamacare are going to give you the “new and improved” “Bill of Allowances”

                  • You mean Obama can’t just take out his Magical Executive Order Pen and alter the Constitution except to unconstitutionally alter the separation of executive, legislative, and judicial powers? The shame, the shame…what is a failing dictator to do these days?

                  • Southron-

                    …Or a “LIST of Government Approved Privileges.”

                    I say let them bring it on, as this is where we’re headed anyway..and I’d prefer for it to occur on my(our) watch..than later on down the road.

                    ..personally, I would rather be the one who is forced to “HUNT” the enemies of LIBERTY..as opposed to my children/grandchildren..being saddled with that task.

                    ..as neither, has yet to have the opportunity at a decent chance at..LIFE..LIBERTY & the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS.


                    -(Note to every enemy of FREEDOM..reading this post)-:




                  • THIS ALL STARTED WITH THE PARTIOT ACT, REMEMBER??! Let’s get our facts straight, or we will all go under!

              • I don’t trust those pricks with my constitution.

                It doesn’t need to be altered, merely followed.

                • There almost certainly has to be some major event that would destroy the 2nd Amendment. There is just no way that without some excuse that 100 million gun owners are going to allow the 2nd to be outlawed. Give enough of a strong false flag and you could have some ATTEMPT at changing the Constitution. There really has to be something severe enough for these bastards to F with our most basic rights. Enough of the masses has to be brainwashed to except such a violation.

                  I am sure they have plans for getting rid of the 2nd. Without the 2nd. the whole basic rights of everything that is protected from the 2nd. falls apart. The 2nd is ALL that protects us from a nightmare of losing all of our freedoms. Without some catastrophe event(s), the 2nd Amendment is safe for now. 100 million people still have a massive voting block, and those f’wads don’t want to be voted out, that includes even the libtards.

                  • and they wonder why DemocRats want to legalize 11 million Mexicans and their offspring? It helps to change the voting population to favor dictatorship.

                    Honestly, as much as today’s young people, gays, and 1/2 of women and their metrosexual men claim to HATE Conservatives (in whatever form) *** WHILE our American Constitution is what keeps dictators at bay *** CONSERVATIVES are the currently the ONLY THING standing between dictators and the American Constitution.

                    Conservatives (Republicans & Tea Party) + Constitution = Freedom

                    Liberals (Democrats, Socialists, & Communists) – Constitution = Hell

                  • Those pushing for the new world order are very adaptable. They won’t waste an “opportunity” to further their plans. A major event would allow them to declare martial law. I expect very strict gun laws and/ or gun confiscation would follow. Then, we would see the “agenda” advance quickly.

                    They are pushing for gun control on many different fronts – for stricter control laws at the state level, national level and also through the U.N. Obama also has his pen handy to write additional executive orders if the House and Senate aren’t working fast enough.

                  • THIS WHOLE MESS STARTED WITH DICK CHENEY AND BUSHY BOY bringing about the Patriot Act– REMEMBER??!! If you people actually believe a Republipuke will make a difference, then we are already lost!!

                  • TruDat,
                    You’re just pretending to be clueless, right?? Republicans and Teaparty knuckleheads are what is standing between the dictators the constitution??? Ron Reagan provided amnesty for the illegal aliens in the 80’s!! You remember Ron Reagan don’t you, the beloved Republican flagbearer. The 9/11 debacle and the PATRIOT ACT happened on the Republicans watch (George Bush and Dick Cheney). You slow-witted people need to get PAST the 70’s and 80’s programming and get in the REAL WORLD. NONE of those dickheads in office give a SHIT about YOU!!! Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have a clue about the US Constitution.

                • The problem with “followed” is we have the Black Robed Libturd judges who will find chit, where there is no chit just to legislate from the bench……

                  We’ve all been asleep at the wheel while out enjoying our lives, raising our families and earning a living while they all have been conniving and planning and screwing with our way of life.

                  • What bothers me the most about this con con is, it doesn’t matter how honorable the participants are. We’ve seen over the decades how well death threats, threats against family, bribery and blackmail can be used to direct the outcome of ANY event.

                    I believe the covert use of threats, blackmail and general coercion will decide what gets put into a new constitution.

                    Anyone who thinks that nobody has that kind of money to pull that off, is deluding themselves.

                    Have we learned nothing about the corrupt power of the elites? THEY ARE EVERYWHERE—AND SO IS THEIR INFLUENCE.

                  • they should not have a lifetime appointment to the bench that gives them all the time they need to screw with the country 1 term only no more than to for congress

            • Stig-think on this……..

              If the original federal tax rules in 1913 consisted of 2 to 3 pages and is now several thousands of pages with more words than the combined works of Shakespeare….

              How long and completely convoluted could they intentionally make a “new constitution”. I believe they would make it worded with so many clauses and cause/effect events hidden in it, that the govt would essentially be ascribing themselves god-like power and control over the lives of the populace.

              Rights would no longer be presumed to be given naturally by our creator with a “Bill of Rights” guaranteeing us protection from govt intrusion–instead we would have an all governing elite who may ban any mention of a creator, family, or even mentioning freedom of speech–dissent or public gatherings will be punishable by death. Personal opinions on homosexuality, morals, drugs–anything–if not in line with the PC police will be punishable by being “disappeared” from society….

              But we’re not that far from this already and the current constitution does not seem to be followed very much. We really are living in a lawless land right now–with our leader being, “the man of lawlessness”

          • I’m trying to think positive about this but it just gives me a really bad feeling!

            • Time to buy some more ammo and my wife understands if there are any blue helmets on the corner then it’s game on.I definitely need some more range time.

              • Buy ammo, heck, it’s time to get setup to do handloading.

                Try to implement micro-stamping and serial numbers on cartridges and projectiles when the bullets have been cast from molten lead alloy and the cartridges were first fired years ago. In this case, other than bullet alloy, the only consumables are powder and primers.

                Anything but 22 rimfire can be made very easily at home with gear that probably cost much less than your TV or home theatre.

                Here’s a basic guide, by no means definitive, but a good start: http://www.wikihow.com/Hand-Load-Ammunition

                Making a bullet with the proper equipment on hand is literally easier than making a sandwich.

                • primers are your weakness.

                  no different then ammo, if you can’t find any, or buy any then you are out of luck.

                  it’s not much different then ammo really, when ammo is gone in a rush usually so are the primers – me i’d rather have the ammo.

                  i always wonder why people preach hand loading as the “solution”…

            • Remember everyone…it is much easier to let the Genie out of the bottle, than it is to put him back. These lying bastards have been telling us one thing…then doing another for years now. Obama has been caught in so many lies…you can’t count them. Attorney General Holder…just as bad. The majority are totally corrupt. Time is short. Get your duckies lined up now. Basic preps. Road maps. ( yes real paper maps…that will work if an EMP. Topo maps are good too…
              You need to understand pinch points. Supply lines. Where is the high ground…where you can reach out & touch someone…? Water holes. Tall trees. ( hurricanes have proved they make great roadblocks). If you have not pondered these subjects….now is the time. Got an old motorcycle that dies not have electric ignition … But instead the old points & condenser ?
              Get it running. You can cover a lot of miles with highways clogged….or go off-road with an old dirt bike ! Ask yourself “what if this happens….what would we do ?” If some idiot sets a big fire….& it’s coming your way through the trees…. Can you drop enough trees to spare your location? Have you thought about clearing a fire line now….so you are safe later ? It is really time to challenge yourself with removing hazards that you do have a way to remove from the equation now. We are running out of tomorrow’s. There are just too many hazards that just need one small thing to happen…..& it all comes crashing down. Live for the best, plan gore the worst.
              Standing by in
              Montgomery County Texas

          • Don’t be so sure Mac, with these psychopaths, they’ll fast track it…
            And bastardize the whole process…

            • Can’t argue with that… It will be a helluva show… I have absolutely no expectations as to how this would play out, honestly…

              In all likelihood it will be an unprecedented national clusterf%%k.

              • Monkeyboy might have his cellphone and pen, but I have my “Bertha”, M1 carbine, .380, some .22s, etc. And the rest of the gun owners have whatever they have.

                • 7.62 millimeter


            • Keep preping. It’s all bs and nothing will stop the collapse.

              • exactly. its all vanity. see eccl in the bible. enjoy the gifts of God from your good labour but understand its all vanity. nothing stops what is coming and is happening. convention or not they will attempt total control and thier new world order. the corrupt govts and politicians will be fodder and sacrifices to help setup the coming true system of worship/govt/ect. they(fallen angels which includes the biggest coward the devil) want to inact. all of it is vanity!

            • jerrytbg: Just who the heck do think “they” are that they can do as they please. It’s not going to be anyone from D.C. that’s for sure. The Constitution has not been amended by Convention since it was first created. It has been amended 27 times by a much easier, and far less ‘messy’ process, which is just fine as far as Congress is concerned. A convention would mean that every state chooses who will be its delegates, and it won’t any congressmen or senators, and they will be ones who will make all the proposed changes they fell are necessary for anew Constitution. There is no limit as to the number and types of prosed changes to the U.S. Constitution that could take place. Don’t take my word for it, read a Article 5 of the Constitution, it tells you only how, not what can be proposed. Liberals and the current hoard of D. C. inhabitants DO NOT want a convention because one or even all three branches could see their powers severely restricted, and in some cases, eliminated. And these rodents don’t want the states to have this much power because they couldn’t control them. Any crazy thing you can imagine could be proposed. Large states like Montana and Alaska have two senator each but only one congressman because of population based on the Connecticut/Great Compromise of 1787 during the original Convention. These larger states could say that to administer their large areas they will create regions/sub-states with it’s own sub-governor. Each are would run its own affairs but still be subject to main state approval/objection, not unlike todays state and federal relationship. And as part of that new state make- up they get two more senators and at least one new congressman for each one. This would make these states far more powerful in congress than they already are. Other states could propose to go it alone as free nations (Vermont)or only be associate members with greater autonomy than full member states. Crazy crap like that could happen because EVERYTHING is open and that’s why TPTB will never allow another Constitutional Convention. No, those clowns in D.C. never want to see another Constitutional Convention-EVER! Hell, the founders barley got it done with only 13 colonies, does anyone actually believe that it could happen with 50 states.

              • Someone remarked about Mark Levin’s treachery in his book. This is my concern… they won’t even follow the guidelines set out in the Constitution…
                I believe they will welcome the opportunity…
                And that’s a terrifying prospect…

              • The only way TPTB will allow a convention, is if THEY OWN IT…and given their past performances…THEY WILL OWN IT.

                • Precisely…

            • Thanks for the link NV!

              Nullification is an EXTREMELY POWERFUL, yet underutilized tool of the States.

              In fact, given the lack of interest for nullification by state legislative bodies it makes me wonder if we’d ever get any new Amendments ratified with a Convention… Seems to me that State legislators are just as corrupt and party-driven as the Federales Hence, should there be a convention I would personally prefer that Federal Congress call State Conventions (where the people should be able to elect ANY RESIDENT OF THE STATE to represent them) instead of leaving it to the Legislatures).

              • Navy Vet: thanks for posting Publius’s Link. Ironic that when I in last article replies posted the same person’s articles and stated that She is one of, if not The best yet source for truth info on a con con event. That I got many red thumbs…Yet when a different person, navy vet, posts the exact same person as a con con info source…Then all present green thumb it as good stuff.

                Hopefully they ALL will read her great reasons and refutations of those who are so promoting this con con as the be all, end all “Fix” to todays vast fed govnt troubles.

                PS: anybody that really thinks David Rockefeller, Ford Foundation, and a few others have spent a grand total of over $25 Million since 1960 era, to have various folks at Georgetown Univ do a complete Re write of the us const, and do said re write aprox 60+ times to “get it right”(as They see things) and keep it hidden away while awaiting The Perfect moment in time to Use it as a total replacement us const, are just fooling around? or enjoy wasting their money?….Are just too simple minded or foolish to awaken.

                That versions BOR is based upon the UN as final arbitrators and overall “Deciders” of what will constitute 1st amendt Free speech…Free as long as it passes muster of a self apointed UN ngo board of ‘deciders” that Your free speech is in NO way found “Offensive” to Any minority groups or persons etc.

                The david Rockefeller const versions BOR also Keeps the 2nd amendt. But it “ADDS” a few more restrictions as to what various Fed govnt mandated “Tests” one must meet before They issue a Buy a gun Permit that remains Valid for ONE year…That and also mandates to RE register all firearms Yearly, same as vehicles lic plate reg’s now are.

                And of course fed govnt mandated, controled, approved mental tests by approved shrinks etc prior to obtaining said Buy gun permits…

                No, they did not spent such vast amounts cash, and time to re write const entirely just to toss it in garbage pail some day eh….They have Plans for Our const and BOR alright and NONE is good period.

                And the Only Gate keepers we now have to block or stop lib kommies like Hobammys destructions of america and our rights, all seem to have zero backbone. And if Now neocon repubs are way too Fearfull of being called a racist for Actually doing something to Stop hobammys outrages…How swell it will be to see that same repubs neocon bunch Protect Our Rights as they now exist in us const and BOR.

                If last 5 yrs shows any type proofs?…Then one can only see that Proof as abject total failures by these congressional and senate repubs when it comes to actually Doing as promiced to twhart hobammys crap.

                And Then after a new const or more ammendts get added they are going to Obey that too? Can’t wait to see who’s the Next group of Tea party darlings we will be told to elect as stalwart patriots like Rubio was supposed to be eh! I wonder if they are going to continue the recent pattern of promoting so many to elect that are NOT natural Born citizens, hence Un eligable to run for Prez…Such as Chaz, Rubio, Jindal, that women govner of N carolina state is she at? and maybe even More we have not yet learned of their Ineligability as NON nat borns eh.

                Maybe todays repubs are playing us ALL for Ignorant Sucker Fools?…Same as dem party has since before most here were even Born!

          • Everyone needs to see this on on gun control…
            Moderation will take time, 8:40pm EST

            This guy is good and what he says is EXACT.
            Brilliant and a must watch!!!

            Well worth your time.
            Should be required viewing by both sides of the issue of gun control/legislation….
            Here is a man who knows the constitution.
            Watch the faces on some Senators in the audience.


            To get what we’ve never had,
            we must do what we’ve never done.

            • Eppe, It is Amazing to Watch the people who are suppose to be running our country and looking out for us setting in the audience acting like a Bunch five year olds. Hay McCain pull my Finger..Disgusting A$$wipes..

              • I don’t think the audience was watching the same presentation as in this video. The lighting is different. I think this is a very effective cut-out scene presentation, where his speech was cut in with clips of the audience that were probably watching something very different when they were filmed originally.

                I wish those people who were supposedly there, would sit still for something like this, but I doubt they did.

            • Bill is great with these presentations of his… 😉

            • Eppe, good morning. I just finished watching the video. I would support such a president if we really have one. The video makes for a really nice dream. But the sad, cold, hard reality is that more than likely we’ll have to go to war to preserve the Constitution and take this country back.

          • The nation is not “broken”. The government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” has been stolen in a Coup de Ta in 1992 by the New World Order under the direction of GHW Bush, posing as a Republican.

            Each POTUS in turn since then has been a Traitor to America pushing a global agenda: Agenda 21, in violation of their oath of office.

            The Globalists have used the American dollar as their weapon of choice to subdue the world, and when that has failed they have used OUR military to spread their wars of phony, crony capitalism.

            The Gangster Banksters who control them and fund them have stolen the American economy and the opportunity that rightfully belonged to American citizens, and shipped it offshore to foreigners, under the euphemism of FREE TRADE.

            Then they pushed the banking system over the cliff to collect the insurance from US, increasing OUR taxes, increasing OUR debt, and they have encouraged the invasion of OUR country by illegals to take OUR jobs while WE subsidize them to do so; and relegated the American worker to menial jobs at minimum wage.

            Engage these motherfuckers by ballot or bullet or WE will be enslaved one Rule, Regulation, Executive Order, or Constitutional Convention at a time. 🙁

            • Good heavens, DK!

              coup d’état

              • Thanks for the correction. I knew it was wrong but the spell check didn’t work. 🙁

                • The durango kidd says:

                  “The government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” has been stolen in a Coup de Ta in 1992 by the New World Order under the direction of GHW Bush, posing as a Republican.”

                  It goes back much further than 1992 DK! Try 1861 with Lincoln’s destruction of the separation of powers, and the place of the Supreme Court in the constitutional scheme of government; 1913 with the Federal Reserve act; the 1930s with the rise of state management of the economy, with it’s bias toward higher and higher public and private debt ratios against current income; the 1960s “guns and butter” fiscal disaster; and Richard Nixon’s 1971 proclamation which put the finial nail in the coffin of sound money. “1992?” you can’t possibly be serious! BTW, in case you haven’t noticed, the country IS broken.

                  “The Globalists have used the American dollar as their weapon of choice to subdue the world, and when that has failed they have used OUR military to spread their wars of phony, crony capitalism.”

                  And yet you endorse the Fed, by supporting the “fractional reserve” fraud. You still have not addressed that contradiction! How can you support “fractional reserve banking,” and be simultaneously opposed to the Fed??? They go hand in hand DK.

                  You oppose a Constitutional Convention… so does the Establishment!

                  • YMWW: While the “moneyed interests” have been around for a very long time, seeking to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else, using OUR government to do it, btw; it was mostly greed.

                    1992 marked a sea change in the Great Game. Globalists took power in an unprecedented way, controlling the US presidency from inside the office.

                    Now its about much more than money. Now the PTB want to control every aspect of OUR lives from cradle to grave and make US economic serfs to serve them and their progeny, while they make the world over in their image to suite their Agenda.

                    The NWO has upped the ante considerably since 1992 while the American people has been distracted by bread and circuses; or in modern times, TV, pro sports, rock music, and social media.

                    My concern with a Constitutional Convention is that it will be controlled by the Two Party System; which has given US the current reality. I reject the Status Que.

                    Engage. 🙂

                  • Fractional reserve banking can exist without the FEDERAL RESERVE. The FED is merely a middle man skimming off the top like a mafia, legally.

                    Kill the FED. Death to the New World Order. 🙂

                  • @the durango kidd says:

                    “Fractional reserve banking can exist without the FEDERAL RESERVE. The FED is merely a middle man skimming off the top like a mafia, legally.”

                    “Fractional Reserve” banking is FRAUD!

                    Fractional Reserve banking cannot exist without a central bank (the Fed). Any bank that engaged in fractional reserve banking would be considered guilty of fraud and, when discovered, would be punished by a bank run, followed by criminal charges.

                    The Fed is not a “middle man,” it’s at the apex of the criminal scheme.

                    Just because they claim it “legal,” doesn’t make it so!

                    Why do you persist on defending the greatest scourge ever visited on mankind???


            • Well said! I believe that is the truth and what is going on. They really don’t understand what they did. I mean they knew what they were doing but there are just to many different variables that come into play with bankrupting the system. We must get a libertarian in there and break away from this system but keep the constitution. People will snap soon if they keep raising prices to shop and pay for everything else.

            • DK-

              While I admire your zeal, I am of the opinion that the tyranny started in 1913 when “our representatives” voted in the “federal reserve”.

              Had we followed the advice of an earlier President, and the method by which he handled the central bankers of the time, we would be a better nation by far.

              As for “executive orders”, though they are generally viewed as having “force of law”, I can find no where in the Constitution that authorizes even issuing such things.

              • As for “executive orders”, though they are generally viewed as having “force of law”, I can find no where in the Constitution that authorizes even issuing such things.
                – “Force of law” is correct. Nowhere does anything mention them having the “legitimacy of law”.

              • When the federal reserve was created, it gave TPTB the influence they needed to proceed with their plans.

                …the rest is history.

              • Henry I did not thumb your comment down. 🙂

            • It was stolen in 1913 by the Banksters at Jekyl Island, with the complicity of Woodrow Wilson and his henchmen. That year we were given your beloved Federal Reserve Bank, as well as the Federal Income Tax….which is simply the means the Banksters use to collect what they steal from the American citizens. And rather than provide stability, they have been responsible for every financial panic since then….including the Great Depression.

              They should all be hung. And I had my way, I’d desecrate the graves of the whole lot of them, including Wilson….dig up their bones, burn them, grind them to powder and then cast them to the four winds. (Gee…you think maybe I hate them?)

              The banking system hasn’t been pushed over the cliff. It’s been driven over the cliff. The banking system was never designed for any other purpose than enriching the banksters, and don’t you ever forget it. Every finanicial has served to enrich them.

              The Banksters have been responsible for every war we’ve been drug into since 1812. The blood of thousands of Americans, as well as others around the world are on their hands.

              • Walt & Henry-


                -(quote..modified slightly)-:
                “…. Every financial bill/crime has served to enrich them…”

                ..true, but they’ve yet to experience the “physical” interest/usury..we’re capable of extracting!!!

              • Yes Walt; We have all known that it would come to the most extreme violence in the end. There are two dominate philosophies competing in this world; The philosophy of those masses that love freedom and the philosophy of those few who love slavery! Let there now be total polarization between the two!! We all know that it must eventually come to this so let it come! Declare that the argumentations are over and that the conversations have ended!! Let us now fight!!

            • “The government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” has been stolen in a Coup de Ta in 1992 by the New World Order under the direction of GHW Bush, posing as a Republican.”

              I think it goes back way further than that, at least to Woodrow Wilson, possibly event back to Lincoln.

          • You are right, Mac. It only takes 34 states to authorize the convention, but 38 states (3/4) to approve any amendments. I can’t imagine which 38 states would vote to repeal the 2nd Amendment. We only need 13 states to stand firm. Let’s see, Wyoming, Alaska, Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Georgia, South Carolina, Montana, Idaho, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri, Maine, New Hampshire, North & South Dakota, Nebraska…. Then there’s Utah, Kansas, Indiana, Wisconsin…… Off the top of my head. You would have to get almost a dozen of gun-friendly states to vote to repeal the 2nd amendment.

            Both houses of Congress would have to approve of the method (whether by legislatures or conventions) and those Republican house members — and some Democrats would not want to propose a method that would undermine the Second Amendment. I HOPE.

            Everyone on the right is worried about the Second, but I think Democrats fear a Balanced Budget Amendment most of all. In that case they would be figuring out whether convention or legislature would be more likely to vote for a balanced budget than worry about any other amendments they wanted approved.

            • Don’t forget Kentucky. Probably 50 guns on my street alone, and only 10 houses.

              • KySSG, welcome back.

                • Thanks, braveheart. I did reply on that other thread, explaining my recent absence. Might be around a little more now.

            • I could see the repeal of the 14th and 16th. Other new Amendments I could see would be term limits, elimination of the FED, Balanced Budget, and others dealing with neutering DC. This would be the ultimate Nullification by the States, think 10th Amendment on roids.

            • These ObamaNazi piece of shit assholes aren’t abiding by the Constitution we already have… what makes ANYONE think they would abide by a new one?

          • 38 states must ratify it…. like the did on federal income tax?

            • exactly.

          • If they want to finalize slavery in this country, I will give them a fight that they have never dreamed of. I will make them stay up at night in cold sweats. I will put they’re damn heads on pikes and line my throne with human skin like the god of war. The Bill of Rights are our rights endowed by god himself and therefore nonnegotiable.

          • Mac and everyone else, good evening. I only recognize the current Constitution and Bill Of Rights that I grew up with and learned to love and honor. I will never recognize or even submit to any replacement, any other version of what we have now. If they touch ANY part of the Bill Of Rights, it needs to be game on. I’ll stand up and risk my life for the REAL DEAL; i.e., what we already have. I swore an oath once to protect and uphold the same Constitution and as I recall, there is no time limit to that obligation. I, BRAVEHEART, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC SO HELP ME GOD! MOLON LABE braveheart

          • The current administration ignores the Constitution anyway or passes laws to circumvent it. They should amend the Constitution so this can’t continue, it says what it says & it means what it says.

          • Mac,
            You mention the 1st, 2nd, and 4th. Geez the 5th,6th, and absolutely the 10th are vital and should be left alone.

          • “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
            Thomas Jefferson

            This sh!t could get real real fast.

        • Here’re some proposed Amendments I’ll throw into the hat:

          1) Eliminate the Federal Reserve and return this nation to Sound Money.

          2) Require TERM LIMITS on all Federal Congressional Representatives and Senators. Two terms should be enough. Otherwise, as we have today, these people turn politics into a career. I think a whole host of problems could be resolved with this one right here.

          3) Eliminate the personal income tax completely. (they’ll figure out new mechanisms for funding… like perhaps balancing the budget!)

          4) Require a balanced budget. If we don’t have the money, we don’t get to spend it.

          5) Strengthen the fourth amendment. So that any government official (or those operating under authorization from government officials) engaging in surveillance activities without first acquiring a written court order can be criminally punished for their actions – with sentences mimicking the severity of our current drug laws.

          BAM. That was easy.

          • Mac,

            Wouldn’t number 2 on your list just make the parties more powerful? Is it possible that would be worse?

            Just askin’.


            • I’m not sure — If you could elaborate or link out to a couple opposing views on the matter I will most definitely check them out.

              It’s a slippery slope to be sure… My thinking here is that fresh blood is harder to corrupt. Also, with new members, they may not be so apt to just go with their party as they are not yet entrenched into a single line of thinking, or perhaps there will be more “parties” represented in Congress… In my view, the more they argue in Congress, the fewer laws get passed, and that can’t be a bad thing considering the tens of thousands of pages that have been pushed through in recent decades.

              Only after serious debate, consideration and compromise would laws get passed.

              Perhaps I’m just dreaming of Utopia.

              • I think you’ve had too much Friday night
                Happy Hour, Mac. That’s optimistic overload.

                But keep on dreaming, I love the concept.

              • As i see it , the constitution is still quite in tact in spite of all the laws passed .
                The real problem is (in most cases) regulations that are designed to usurp the law and nullify rights guaranteed by the constitution and bill of rights.
                Deregulation seems like an obvious fix.
                Where the heck do you start?

                It took years of debate to write the constitution and there is still nothing wrong with it as written.
                I am really afraid of the goals of this Con Con being compromised by an authoritarian regime.

                What happens if the US goes to war or is attacked?
                What happens when dear leader declares martial law?

                makes me wish i wasnt so pacifist back in the day.

              • It will force the parties to pay attention to the voters, they will need to get votes on merit, not on incumbency.

              • Mac, All “laws” passed these days are all passed under the “color of law” by the arbitrary decisions of ” Lawmakers” All under the Color Of Law because Law is impossible due to the fiat currency law of the Federal Reserve System, enacted in 1913. There is only Statutory Law because of fiat currency laws!! How can one pay a bill if only fiat is used? One cannot, but one can discharge ones obligation to pay by using Federal Reserve Notes. Such is the case with millions of Americans who know absolutely nothing of the wool that has been pulled over their unseeing eyes but let us hope that they will awaken soon to the great Fraud that has been perpetrated over our Nation since 1913!!!!

            • How about limiting their pay to a stipend that is no higher than the average middle-class worker in this country?

              And then how about limiting Congress to being in session only 3 months a year?

              I’m of the opinion that our freedoms are more secure when they are not in session.

          • OK, one more… I mean, how often do we get to propose Amendments? 🙂

            Supreme Court Justice Stevens recently said that he would like the Second Amendment to include 5 new words, as follows:

            “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the militia shall not be infringed.”

            Obviously a ridiculous proposal, because that would mean our right to bear arms for personal defense is pretty much flushed down the toilet.

            In response, Paul Watson (Infowars) suggested we eliminate words instead and have the 2nd read as follows:

            “The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”

            That right there will pretty much solve most of these crazy laws being passed by anti-gunners.

            • That would certainly simplify for most but if you diagram the 2nd as a sentence, it essentially means the same.

            • Why do we care what the Constitution says if nobody follows it.

              • “Why do we care what the Constitution says if nobody follows it.”

                Post of the day right there.

                • Walt: WE should care because it is OUR heritage that WE were given by OUR forefathers and which WE will pass on to the next generation of Americans.

                  WE should care because it is the best example of self determination and self government by Free Men ever conceived for the liberation of the spirit of life within every individual.

                  WE should care because it provides for the pursuit of OUR individual happiness and personal liberty within a society to cultivate and express the gifts, talents, and possibilities that the Lord has instilled within US as His creations.

                  The alternatives are marginal at best, oppressive at their worst. The Republic and its Constitution is OURS to keep if WE will but engage OUR employees and demand OUR birthright.

                  Do you want OUR generation to be the generation that fails its duty to OUR collective freedoms and personal liberties?

                  That’s why WE should care. 🙂

                  • Unfortunately, the majority of the next generation is NOT being taught about the Constitution, the importance of liberty, freedom or why the second amendment is so important.

                    Instead, children in many places are being taught that the Constitution is an outdated document and that guns are BAD.

                  • He was right…

                    “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

                    -Ronald Reagan

                  • It was a rhetorical question. And I didn’t ask it…simply repeated it.

                    It is none the less and excellent question.

                    After Saddam Hussein was taken down, there were lots of questions as to what kind of government Iraq should implement…what kind of constitution they would have.

                    I heard it suggested that we should just give them ours, since we don’t seem to be using it.

                    The whole point is…..it will matter little whether any changes to the Constitution go in our favor or not. The criminals in charge now won’t adhere to it regardless.

                • W.K. How about you amend that to ” No one in our Gooberment follow it”

            • “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the militia shall not be infringed.”

              ***Obviously a ridiculous proposal, because that would mean our right to bear arms for personal defense is pretty much flushed down the toilet. ***

              Not so fast. I am a Kentucky Militia member…simply by applying.
              I suggest we all become active members which is easily done.

          • Also place terms for Supreme court justices and eliminate property tax

            • BAM !

              Now we’re talking BJ.

              Justice for life? I can’t believe they let that one fly back in 1787…

              And Property Tax is a clear violation of natural rights…. If you own the land you OWN the land, with no possibility of ever having it seized due to failure to pay the government their vig.

              I’m right there with ya!

              • Mac, if you don’t have or bring forward the “Land Patent” you don’t own the land. The Land Patent is the title to the land. Anything else (warranty deed, tax deed, sheriff’s deed, etc) is merely a color of title.

                “That the patent carries the fee and is the best title known to a court of law is the settled doctrine of this court.” Marshall v. Ladd, 7 Wall. (74 U.S.) 106 (1869)

                “State statutes that give lesser authoritative ownership of title than the patent can not even be brought into federal court.” Langdon v. Sherwood, 124 U.S. 74, 81 (1887)

                “A patent issued by the government of the United States is legal and conclusive evidence of title to the land described therein. No equitable interest, however strong, to land described in such a patent, can prevail at law, against the patent” {Land Patents, Opinions of the United States Attorney General’s office, (Sep- tember, 1969)}

                I always find it interesting that the vast majority of people wouldn’t buy a used car with no title, but they’ll pay for land and/or a house and be satisfied with a color of title.

                • I did some looking on this 2 years ago and believe, if I remember correctly, that I searched “land patent” in Google. I came across an article by a guy who offered for a sum, to do all the leg and paperwork for ya and you could truly own your own land (not property) and not have to pay property tax and not have any form of govt. regulation apply to your land. But I’ll be danged if I can find it now 🙁

                  • QUESTION:
                    If you get land patent or whatever needed to truly own your own land and not have to pay tax, or have regulations apply….then can you build what you want and how you want? Meaning no fricking permission from local govt adn code BS as far as building a home??

                    (ATTN: HAMMERHEAD)

                  • I’m learning this as I go along. I’ve brought the patent forward under my status as an “assign” and quit claim deeded the land from MY NAME to My Name. All paperwork was reviewed and approved by the Illinois (yeah, I know, but this is where I wound up) State Attorney.

                    As for property taxes, I still pay but continue to study case law on the Land Patent and how to defend it against a collateral attack by a color of title (tax deed, sheriff’s deed, etc).

                    In the history of this Country, no Land Patent has ever lost an appellate review in the courts. Google “Summa Corp v California” where the State tried to take some land because the land in question was tidewater land. Even though California’s Constitution gives the state the right to all tidewater lands, the Land Patent stood supreme and California lost the case in the SCOTUS.

                    To the best of my knowledge so far, the only restrictions on the land is what is in the patent proceedings or the act of Congress under which the patent was authorized. That would probably be your State’s Enabling Act. As SCOTUS stated in Summa Corp v Calif, if it’s not in the patent proceedings it must be barred.

                    If nothing else, studying land law, researching records at the Court House, and reading the State Enabling Acts is really interesting stuff. Like I said, I’m learning as I go and definitely not an expert or giving any advise.

              • Bam!

                Two words, boys: alloidial title.

                Needs to be instituted so that land ownership is real and sovereign. If its permanently taxable or else I one day no longer own it, how’s that different from “If you don’t pay us protection for your unbroken windows every week, they WILL break and you will be out of business.” ??

                Surely there’s some few well-intentioned, non-corrupt (albeit by now horrified) elected idealists in office at some level who understand that this form of taxation is essentially comparable to paying protection to mobsters?


            • Under actual law the Supreme Court has no authority outside of DC. Under corporate law they do. Corporate law is the root of the problem.

          • …and I’ll add to that, Mac, not only sound money and the elimination of the Fed, but:

            6) The COMPLETE elimination of ALL fiat currency, LOANED into existence, from that central bank (or ANY central bank), at INTEREST, then FRACTIONALLY RESERVED. The is the single greatest beast that must be killed in its entirety if any hope of peace, prosperity, and liberty are to live on. THIS is the cancer that taints every other issue.

            7) The return of ALL troops back home, from ALL foreign posts and now even all domestic posts. THEY MUST NEVER patrol our nation…ever. And stay the hell out of foreign messes.

            8) The return of police departments to their proper role: policing in the way we all grew up on! They are NOT military off-shoots.

            9) LOCAL control of all education decisions and directions.

            Pretty sure I could hit a bunch more but that’ll do for now!

            Gold Leader standing by.

            • Hell, at this rate all of America’s problems might be solved right here at SHTFplan.com!


              • WELL , lets do it then !
                RIGHT HERE , RIGHT NOW .

                • I’m IN!

                  Gold Leader standing by.

          • Would like to add a number 6 to your list.

            6. Make it illegal to bribe I mean lobby congress.

            • Is anybody writing these all down in list form? How we gonna submit our version if we don’t have them all in one document?

              • I’ll add that congress may pay no law to which it is not subject to as any citizen. #7!

              • #7 congress shall make no law to which it is not equally subject.

          • @ Mac

            (6) Eliminate sovereign immunity! Make ALL government agents RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Cops that beat up the wrong guy or terrorize the wrong household will be sued and can lose their homes and everything they own. Same for representatives and bureaucrats who mess up.

            (7) Require that ALL juries are fully informed juries, apprised of the juror’s right to nullification of any law.

            (8) End corporations, corporate ‘personhood,’ and corporate immunity. ALL businesses, owners, investors, managers, and employees are responsible for their actions.

            (9) Guarantee parental primacy in the raising of children.

            and —drum roll—

            (10) Prosecute and punish ALL those who have looted this nation and ALL their accomplices, enforcers, mouthpieces, puppets, and talking heads—every damn one of them! AND repatriate everything they have stolen, reparations for all their damages! Prosecute the guilty; leave the innocent alone.

            • #11 NO DUAL CITIZENSHIT TO SERVE IN GOVERNMENT. Probably more important as all of the above as far as I’m concerned.

            • JQP and walter, I agree.

          • Go, Mac!

          • Mac: What do you mean by “Sound Money”? Metal? There isn’t enough metal to go around and any metal money would need to be limited for use in the USA only; with OUR fiat allowed for offshore transactions, with no Gold or Silver redemption offshore.

            A two tiered system?

            As soon as quantum computing is perfected and it is not far off: money, even metal backed money, will be digitized; for OUR safety of course. That system will complete OUR enslavement.

            In any event, I thank you in advance for the boost in value that gold and silver will enjoy for miners of those metals by your suggestion.

            Kill the FED. Death to the New World Order. 🙂

            • So silly. DK thinks metal backed currency is bad, but the Fed simply creating it out of thin air is just fine.

              How deluded is that?

              • Walt: What is silly is the notion that you and others put forward, believing that a metals back currency would be a panacea for OUR economic and financial ills. It is not.

                If metal backed money then the “metal window” would of necessity be open and under the current FREE TRADE system of the GB’s, OUR metal and real wealth would flow offshore as OUR dollars were repatriated by China, Mexico, and others demanding gold for the dollars they hold; just like France did in the ’70’s.

                Better that China has OUR script and promise to pay, and not OUR metal as the balance of trade deficit with China alone exceeded $350 billion last year. Until WE return to a FAIR TRADE system the wealth of America will be off shored, and the quality of life for Americans will continue to decline.

                Every nation must be on a metal system and FAIR TRADE must replace FREE TRADE or the next generation of Americans will have a third world economy, weaving baskets from hemp for Chinese tourists. Be careful about that for which you wish.

                Just saying. 🙁

              • dk is a F.A.G.

                federal ass goon

                • BJ: If you do not understand the reality of my post you evidence the ignorance of the Sheeple.

                  Please tell me what part of it you do not understand so I can educate you. Do you not understand the ramifications of a metals backed money? Do you not understand the ramifications of FREE TRADE which has destroyed this nation and transferred OUR jobs offshore? Your job?

                  How long can metals back money and restore “sound money” when China holds 1.2 trillion dollars of US debt? How do you think they came to hold that debt? With their appetite for gold, how long do you think it would take them to request gold for OUR dollars if metals backed money starting July 1st?

                  Metals backed money is impractical in a global economy unless it is digitized. If it is digitized, you my young, ignorant friend and your family, are toast.

                  TOAST. 🙁

          • Mac, your proposed amendments sound good, but let me make one change to #5. Any govt. official, employee, etc., who tries to force their way into your home WITHOUT ACQUIRING A WRITTEN COURT ORDER will be shot in the process. Other than that, they sound good.

          • MS-

            #1 Agreed
            #2 Disagree. One term ONLY for ANY political Office, with ALL expenses paid for by the state that sends them. NO RETIREMENT/PENSION. NO IMMUNITY from prosecution for crimes committed while not actually in session, including violation of Oath of Office (TREASON).

            #3 AGREED the IRS is a collection agency tied directly into the “federal Reserve” which monies go, not to the funding of our government and its operation, but rather to pay interest of the supposed loans drawn from the “federal reserve”

            #4 AGREED No “federal reserve” equals sound money, equals either staying within the money brought in or going bankrupt. Therefore, the government MUST live within its means, just as the people must do.

            5. AGREED (sort of). ANY governmental person or entity in a position to violate the fourth amendment, must have sworn an oath of office. Therefore, if that person, orgsnization, etc violates that law, they are guilty of treason for which the penalty is death. If it is an agency, then it gets disbanded, its assets spread throughout other agencies, and the personnel judged guilty will serve the sentence for the crime.

            Lets take it a step further though. If found guilty of treason, not only is the individual involved given the sentence, but ALL of their assets, that of the spouse, etc are seized and are forfeit as in drug arrests. The exception being that no relative or other connection can buy, or receive those assets

          • In addition I would add a FLAT sales tax to replace personal income tax….that way ALL PAY….want to buy a 150 million dollar home? Ca-Ching goes the National cash register…and must apply to all purchases…foreign and domestic. This means all the gangs, drug cartels, and criminals in general….will ALSO pay into a system which gives them much…along with the extremely wealthy who hide their wealth…and let’s not forget the politicians who somehow acquire great wealth whilst in office. And, with gov’t spying such as it is…someone, somewhere may actually notice if someone dependent on the gov’t for everything, has the wherewithal to purchase 500 dollar sneakers….among other things….
            Think of it….it is so simple and no EIC, no tax loopholes, no forms, etc.,etc….



            • … should exclude necessities of life from the sales tax (food, water, housing, transportation, medical care) AND there must be an inviolable cap on the tax.

              I suggest 1%.

              1% on things that are NOT necessary to life is almost too much government.

              Keep a stranglehold on government funding and it cannot get out of line.

              • I agree John….I was focused on high end purchases…of COURSE no tax whatsoever on foodstuffs….etc.

          • Mac,

            I like your list. Here are some more:

            There is no right of automatic citizenship for babies whose parents are not in this country legally. Parents cannot gain automatic citizenship just because they parented a child while in this country illegally.

            Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution regulates NATURALIZATION, not immigration. States have the right to regulate who can reside or travel within their borders.

            States may regulate all products and services that are manufactured, sold, and used totally within their own borders.

            States have the exclusive right to regulate insurance, weapons, alcohol, professional licenses, medical procedures, pharmaceuticals, speed limits, driving privileges, and marriage laws within their own borders.

            In considering whether a particular bill or group of bills are paid for, Congress shall give the Congressional Budget Office sufficient time to evaluate the short term and long term effects of the bill(s). In no case may a bill move forward if the revenues and expenditures are not balanced – i.e. if a proposed bill offsets 10 years of income against 6 years of expenses

            Social Security Numbers were and are intended to be used only for Social Security purposes (employment and benefits claims.) Social Security numbers may not be used as universal identifiers. All citizens have the right to privacy in their personal information.

            • I’d almost do away with the commerce clause, except for import/exports. and transnational trade.

          • How about an amendment that requires that all bills be restricted to one subject/issue without riders tacked on. For example, a bill regarding on a farm/agriculture issue should not have a defense, immigration, education, tax change or other issue tacked onto it. Bills will need to be written in simple easy to understand English. This will keep the size of the bill small and make it easy for anyone to READ and understand. Time must be given for members of Congress to read and debate the bill.

            We are seeing far too many huge pieces of legislation getting voted on that people who took speed reading classes could not read and digest. No more having to “pass the bill to see what’s in it”!!

            • Tom,

              Bills have so many extraneous items added in order to bribe senators and congressmen to vote for them. Put a rider on a farm bill to build a bridge in a non-farm state, for instance.

              My idea is that all bills should be 25 pages or less. More than 25 pages, the sponsers have to pay for the printing out of their own pocket. More than 100 pages, the bill has to be debated for as many days as there are pages in the bill. Any last minute amendments start the waiting period all over again.

              And no additions added after the voting is over. I couldn’t believe it when I heard this, but apparantly, the leaders add the earmarks AFTER the vote!

              • 25 pages? All bills need to be 6 pages written to a 5th grade comprehension. Debating about 2nd grade comprehension with pictures so Nancy could at least try and comprehend the bill.

                I would also go for a line item veto.

                My other one would be that New laws must apply to everyone.

          • -@ MAC-

            Allow me to add one more to your list:

            #6.> ..When the “note”(mortgage) on house/land/farm etc.. is retired/paid-off..said property becomes exempt from any/all property taxes!!!

          • Mac,

            I agree with all except on a balanced budget.

            There are truly times when it’s in an interest to take out a loan.

            If a true emergency happens, we as a nation may need to ask for a loan.

            Getting rid of the Fed on its own would be a great way to start monetary stabilization as opposed to paying interest on the money they lend to us.

            Forcing term limits is great, but should also be coupled with “laws apply to all” for these insider trading, I’ll blow you and you blow me attitude to back room shenanigans.

            We still need a great debate of informed citizens and not politicians to happen on a national and public scale.

            • Boyo,

              The Graham/Rudman (sic) balanced budget that almost passed decades ago (lost by one vote, I think) had a provision for national emergency.

              • Thanks Daisy.

                I can’t read everything. I’ll keep trying though.

            • I don’t believe there should be any “back room shenanigans”. If you have to bribe/threaten other congressmen to support your bill, it probably shouldn’t see the floor at all.

              All bill negotiations should be done in full view.

        • I have a real bad feeling about this crap,
          When in the recent history has anyone from DC done anything to benefit the people,,
          Sure some say obummercare is wonderful, yea if your getting free shit it sure is.
          But seriously, i can see these jerks renovating the constitution to reflect a modern America,,,
          Im not saying much about it but if any of my rights are eroded any more than they have been….

          • Damn straight Kula, I cannot imagine the current bunch of corrupt politicians agreeing or going along with anything along the lines being proposed above. They would be cutting their own throat. As nice and peachy as it sounds that we can all just sit down at a Constitional Convention and solve all our problems civily, there is no way in hell these corrupt bastards will just give up that easy after all they have done to get this far. Lets just all sing Kumbaya while we are at it.

            Hopefully I am wrong, but I just can not in my wildest imagination see this going good.

            • Kulafarmer and Outlaw, good evening, and I have to agree. No way the POS politicos will vote against their own special interests. If any con-con takes place, it will be nothing less than a catastrophe for us. It will be wartime then.

              • 4th generation wartime,
                The decision makers
                And their direct support,
                Strike one

        • What part of “shall not be infringed” do they not understand?

          • All four words. 😉

          • I see on Drudge they’er working so hard on Infringing on are rights Congress needs a Pay raise, $174,000. with Perks and back door deals isnt enough for em to live on.

            • Add “And Zionest bribes”

        • Read Mathew Brackens Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

          It has a great example of a runaway con con.

          Remember and here’s the double edged sword…

          The state legislatures can but DO NOT have to vote for any Constitutional amendments. The delegates representing the states at the convention can do it by hijacking it.

          And anybody can be an UNELECTED delegate and there is the danger.

          • VERY valid points Wolf. Thanks for the recommendation on Brackens’ book.

          • Wolf

            Excellent Book!!! Good point.

            • Wolf359, Mac, and Wrong, I just finished reading Matt Brackens’ entire trilogy in Feb. I highly recommend these books to everyone. Very plausible scenarios outlined in those books, especially about the con-con.

              • Braveheart,

                I heard about those very books in this forum a couple years ago.

                • Wolf359, I got mine on Amazon for Christmas.

          • Elected or not, ANYONE can be bribed, blackmailed or otherwise coerced.

        • “Touch the 2nd Amendment it will be GO Time”?

          To my knowledge, we past “go time” a long time ago. In addition, aren’t we in a full blown “soft” fascist police state, right now? They might not be knocking on your door at 3am tomorrow, but they can, anytime they so desire, since we, here, are clearly on their list as “terrorists”.

          The Constitution has been gutted, already. It’s all smoke and mirrors when it comes to thinking we’re in a Democracy. And if anyone thinks we’re going to someday return to the once proud Republic we were, you’re on the fringe and you will be one of the first to walk the plank. The masses, and those newbies to the masses, haven’t got a clue of what a Republic is (or the significance of the Bill of Rights). They’ve already merged with collectivist’s collective and beyond. Our old way of life is over. Better learn how to acclimate to the new world we live in. Doesn’t mean you still can’t have some “lock and loaded’ action. I didn’t get mine to target shoot.

          • You are correct EA, we are loooong past GO Time. We are 110% in a full blown “soft” fascist police state.

        • I’d say.

        • Here’s the thing….the CHIEF guiding principle that must be remembered. I’m going to put this in all caps because it’s so important…..


          End of discussion.

          Personally, I don’t give a damn if they have a Constitutional convention or not. THEY WILL NOT DEPRIVE ME OF MY GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS. THEY DON’T HAVE THE AUTHORITY.

          People…we would do well to read the writings of people like Hobbes and Locke.

          If the tyrants of today would seek to deprive us of what God gives us by right of birth, then we will just have to find it necessary to repeat once again what our founding fathers did in 1776.

          My rights are not negotiable.

          Sic Semper Tyrannis

          Molon Labe

          • Walt, Braveheart agrees with you 1,000,000%. My rights are not negotiable either. SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS MOLON LABE braveheart

          • And don’t forget Vattel…Law of Nation…
            Should be required reading for ALL delegates to a con con…

        • They touch the second Amendment and all you ‘hobby Rambos’ will be turning in ’em in just like the U.K., Austrailia, etc. That’s about the only ‘go’ time most likely to happen, given how many lines in the sand have been crossed. Face it, ordinary civilians don’t have the gumption to pull the trigger on ‘the authorities’ . Slavery is the natural state of man and when you fight authority authority always wins, you cannot win in this current system of things as their might makes right.

          • Slobesky O’gorki, we’ll just see about that. when the time comes, you’ll be shocked.

            • I do believe you’re right BH…just a gut feeling…

          • “Face it, ordinary civilians don’t have the gumption to pull the trigger on ‘the authorities’ .”

            This point, you’re right. Most people have been well indoctrinated to respect authority, and that “those people” are always right. Most regular people would never even think of it.

            not so for the rest of us…

          • My first instinct was to red-thumb you and call you a gov’t troll, but on second reading you might just be right… Sad.

        • I have a number of suggestions for amendments that would go far in correcting the current corruption in government that we are currently faced with.

          1.) Reduce the terms of service for the house to 2 years, elections on alternating years. Institute a Term Limit of 4 terms of service. Repeal the 17th Amendment and return Senate seats to appointment by the State Legislatures.

          2.) Limit campaign times to 30 days before election and require that candidates voting record and actions in office be posted in its entirety, in EVERY news media form for that entire 30 days.

          3.) Mandate that each member of the House and Senate return to their State or District and maintain open office hours in such for a minimum of 10 business days each calendar month.

          These three amendments would make the people in government office more answerable to the people they were elected to serve. For far too long the people who have been elected go to Washington, and we never see them again until election time. This has to end.

          4.) Limit the term of the Presidency to ONE, 4-year term.

          This amendment would eliminate the empire building that most of our recent presidents have spent their entire first term doing.

          5.) Mandatory “Sunsetting” of all Federal Laws after Ten years. Any Federal Law that needs to be continued shall pass through a standard vote by the House and Senate and shall be signed by the President.

          This amendment would restrict the damage any law could do by automatically creating a time limit under which this shall be effective.

          6.) Limit the Terms of Service of Federal Judges, including Supreme Court Judges, to 20 years is a specific office.

          This would remove the “Lifetime” appointment of Federal Judges.

          7.) Make the 10th Amendment supreme. No law that is not codified in the Constitution of the United States will be supreme to the Laws or Constitution of the States.

          This would return local control to the States, where it belongs. This would eliminate the ability of the actions of one state to affect any other state.

          8.) Set an automatic “Sunseting” of all Federal Agencies and Bureaus to 3 years. Any Agency or Bureau not specifically authorized by the Constitution of the United States shall be voted on by the House and Senate in an open floor debate, and it’s continuation shall be voted upon in a simple up or down vote, or it shall cease to exist.

          This amendment shall make all the various Fedeal Agencies and Bureaus stand before congress in an open session and justify their existence to the American People or they will simply cease to exist.

          9.) Mandate that all the borders of the United States be Secured, and give the states the authority to institute additional border security as they see fit. In addition, mandate a MANDATORY Identification check of any and all persons seeking Federal Aid in any form. Make it illegal, with a penalty of automatic deportation, for a non-citizen to request or receive government aid, or from attempting to vote in an election. Make it illegal, with a penalty of permanently banning them from ever returning to the United States of America or it’s protectorates, to overstay a Visa or be in this country illegally. NO EXCEPTIONS.

          10.) Institute a Mandatory Balanced Budget Amendment that requires that the Federal Government prioritize it’s spending. Set a hierarchy of spending prioritizing National Defense.

          I could keep going, but you get the idea.

          • To normal folks like you or I these make sense, but to these people who feel they are our rulers because they have somehow been elected term after term these will be considered ridiculous.
            I will be shocked if there is a con con, and i will be even more surprised if anything short of tyranny comes out of it.
            The up side, if they hold a con con and use it to further erode our rights, there will be 0 reason to remain civil.

          • I always thought the absorption of the Army and Air Force into the Navy and Marines would be a good way of standardization… procurement would be simplified…etc.
            Besides, they’re the only one’s authorized by the Constitution….

          • #4 would also reduce the “lame duck” damage we often see, when presidents do whatever the hell they want to in their last term, because they know they won’t be around to suffer the ramifications.

        • Keep a watchful eye as lobbying interests move in to persuade the dialogue. State officials trying to get to Washington clearly violate constitutional protections as bad or worse then those in Washington, and their motives and corporate backing might lead to a call to arms to protect our God given rights. So they tell us that they are going to change a document that when interpreted correctly protects us and is a limitation of what government can and cannot do, yet it is ignored today, is their plan to make a constitution “light” where it is easier to violate a citizens rights? It is the only way this can go, as they should simply demand the present constitution be adhered to, and enforced from Washington to the local courts or removal and charges would be put on officials who do not follow the constitutional guidelines. It will be interesting to see proposals, but do not think for a second that these power mongers will strengthen Liberty, as they know the profit for the state and traitors is in lessening rights as a whole.

        • Why haven’t gun owning Democrats spoken out on this issue of gun control? They own guns also. If they don’t, they would be stupid. Perhaps they have not spoken out because their Obamacare plan hasn’t kicked in yet and they are too weak to speak out.

          I hear numbers like 100 Million Americans own guns. That is not chump change. I wouldn’t make them mad if I were you. You wouldn’t like them when they get mad.

        • Anybody else think that when all guns are confiscated, that we would be supplied with AK-47s or AK-74s? The U.S. arms rebels in other countries. Wouldn’t it be likely that some country would want to send us arms for the same reason?

        • They would not do this just to remove the 2nd. They could just continue ignoring the constitution and the law of the land as they have been.

          There must be more 2 it than than that.

        • At this early stage of things….as they try and F with America.

          Identify any liberals and anti gun folks and cut out out of daily life.
          Fire them, demote them, set them up for failure…dump tons of work on them.
          Don’t hire them. raise their rents.

          Years ago knew a guy who had a contracting business.
          The Lawyer wanted to know why he charged double for the same work as his neighbor.
          He just smiled and told him the reason my insurance was so high…because all the slutty law suits. Hence my private tax on lawyers.

          Same concept.
          Obama bumper sticker….
          When interviewing..send your secretary out to view the bumper sticker.
          There’s your answer.

          Talk about Obama care..if they light up..there’s your answer.

          Turn them into second class citizens.
          They want to fuck with your rights…fuck with theirs.

          Got it?

          Also…not if..but when they pass laws to turn in guns.
          Don’t do it…
          And get organized to determine ways to repeal the law and get the lawmakers out of office. I’m being nice here. Be legal at first.
          Then…. use your imagination.

          Sorry Congress. We are NOT your bitches.
          We own YOUR asses.

          Also… RE: Immigration.
          That’s how they are going to break America.

          Until later.

          My analysis of SHTF Threats….
          Dollar collapse
          Bee collapse
          Food collapse
          Engineered Pandemic
          Shit sprayed from geoenginering…chemtrails.

          Seems also our govt. has been taken over by commies.

          You know all this shit is logged along with my ip address.

          Frankly I don’t care.

          I think secretly we are all hoping for a massive collapse.

          The big reset.

          We need a good domestic purging of all the commies.

      2. Molon Labe.

      3. We the people better watch this closely

        • “We The People” better get proactive, we have stood by and watched long enough!

          • And most likely the People will just keep standing by and watching.

            Survive Its Death

          • Totally agree with you Outlaw. Ready in Northwest AR

      4. This is very disturbing…

        If this is true, a CC in the making… we are screwed…

        These people aren’t mature enough to go to bathroom on their own…

        And they’re going to change the Constitution?

        • The idea is that WE, not THEM, get to change the Constitution… but I see your point!!

          • Mac, when was the last time our so called representatives actually represented the will of the people? The biggest problem i see is that they will propose changes then manipulate the outcome of any voting that goes on. The government is crooked, NONE of these people are worthy of any trust whatsoever.

            • amen

            • Exactly Kula, I write my newest idiot senator, Anus King (it’s actually Angus, but anus fits him better), a couple times a month at least. He is a registered Independent, but votes with the dems nearly 100%. I write on a range of issues – gun control, hunting/fishing, off-road vehicle issues, etc, and without exception, his responses are always the same.

              “I’m smarter than you, you’re a dumb hick, I don’t care what you think, I’m not going to represent you, I’m going to do whatever I want.” Sounds a lot like taxation without representation to me, we fought a war over that once….

          • And I get your’s as well…

            What will be essential in this process is strong, and I mean Herculean leadership at the state level…
            I’m sorry, I just don’t see it.

        • They’d have to vote for it so they could know what was in it.

      5. We should create a level paying field

        Amendment No .28

        All politicians and elected public officials must pay a 50% tax to serve the people…

        HOW does it feel now?

        P.s. Ax the IRS,EPA,ATF, exc you know, All the agency’s that think we solely exist at their pleasure.

        • Yep, but I’m sure they’d just “cozy up to the lobbyists” (as Mitt plainly stated) a little closer to get help covering their expenses. They’re all just trash that needs to taken out to the dumpster along with the whole operation, everything.

          Gold Leader standing by.

          • Im with you on that,
            ALL OF THEM!

          • Gold Leader, someone would do us the biggest favor if they just nuked DC. I wouldn’t object.

        • “It is terrible to contemplete how few politicians are hanged.” G.K. Chesterton

      6. This could be the most exciting time America has ever seen. This might be a return to the America most of us want, or it could lead to secession by states and a second civil war. We’ll see. Stay alert.

        • You bring up an interesting scenario with the secession of states… What happens if some insane Amendment makes it through ratification and 25% of the states vehemently disagree… Civil war could certainly be an option given this scenario.

          An exciting time in America to be sure.

          • Let us hope that they push this idea of amending the constitution. It may be enough to wake up more people and push some states over the edge. With the TPP, Agenda 21, Blowbama care, CO2 taxes, and Amnesty…we need a turning point or risk collapse. Not to mention that we are on the verge of WWIII or a financial collapse. The hubris will get the best of these bastards, they have begun to push too far. No more interpretation/altering of my UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.

            • Unfortunately, that’s what our representatives believe is their job—interpreting our inalienable rights…

              • I wish whomever the 3 or 4 people who are following me around, thumbing down everything I post, would grow up. Because of people like you, I can’t tell what posts are really popular to others, and which are not, because you’re obviously not voting on the content of the comments.

                You’re wrecking Mac’s voting system. This isn’t a personal popularity contest and you should stop trying to treat it as such. Besides, you’re not going to run anybody off with your stalking.

                • Sixpack:

                  View those ‘thumbs’ as a badge of honor. They really mean that you are getting too close to the truth for their comfort.

                  We can’t have too many “sheep” waking up to the truth in America or there will be a changing of the guard; sometrhing the tribe will do everything possible to squelch.

                  • Apparently.

                • I noticed your trolls too, sixpack, I almost made a comment on it myself.

      7. Something that people keep forgetting. No law can be made in the constitution or by the States that does not abide by the Constitution itself, as per the Supremacy Clause. People really don’t understand what the Supremacy Clause means.

        The Bill of Rights are acknowledgements of the type of rights we have, with the 9th Amendment explaining that we are not limited to those rights written, but have a plethora. That those written were just some of the most important chosen to be acknowledged.

        You can not create a law stripping anyone of their rights, especially since they’re inalienable.

        Any law they create that violates the Constitution is null and void. That includes the 2nd Amendment which ” shall not be infringed” is as straight forward as you get, in addition to it being an inalienable right they can not “lawfully” touch.

        • “No law can be made in the constitution or by the States that does not abide by the Constitution itself, as per the Supremacy Clause.”

          The problem with that is, during the rewrite, the constitution will be effectively SUSPENDED pending the outcome.

          I fear that THERE WILL BE NO CONSTITUTION UNTIL THE DUST CLEARS and we finally see what we’ve ended up with.

      8. I can think of a number of amendments I would like to add…. But probably that won’t happen yet, or by ballot.

        • No doubt — it could come to that!

        • That cop with the pepper spray would be vulnerable to some 00 buckshot.

          • yep. And he should get it too.

      9. 2938388

      10. IMO, I highly doubt it would get to this, because they (TPTB) will just abolish The United States Constitution. They are doing a good job of it right now.
        Just wait till we get our next White House Squatter? I have a feeling it will be someone with a first name starting with an H? Just a bad feeling, because the elephants won’t stand a chance, unless they have a woman running too!

        Unless, we have individuals who believe in “We the people”, not a damn thing is going to improve for the Americans.

        • SoapDish, I think you’re right. If the goal of the PTB is a one world government then the Constitution won’t be changed, it will be done away with altogether. Why would they allow a Con Con to go that far when they can just collapse the economy and call it a day? All they’d have to do is use a little red tape to delay a Con Con for a year. As cumbersome as the government is that wouldn’t be hard to do. I doubt this is even on their radar of worries.

        • Look at what happened when a state or two started talking about secession from the United States—the Federal Govt denied them PERMISSION to proceed. They wouldn’t even be allowed to enter the petition, and if they did, the govt would just dismiss it.

          It is not a right, if you have to ask permission…

      11. I think we would be surprised how many people in our government, judicial system and executive branch hate our constitution ,Bill of Rights and The Declaration of Independence.

        Why? In our way of government, we declare that we get our rights from God, not man.

        There are hose in power now who want to reverse that and take the focus from God to man: Saying that this document(form of government) is old and out of date.

        That is communism in my opinion.

        Will the current constitution be discarded someday?

        Yes, and that will be a terrible day and then the days of revolt will begin with much bloodshed if it happens in this generation. Is it possible we could see a civil war in this country over this if it went the wrong way?

        In the generation coming up now and being exposed to common core and all the adverse teachings against the country, it might be an easier task later.

        Some of us are getting old. Young in heart, old in body.

        That is my opinion regarding this matter

      12. WOW .hatta can of worms we have opened.
        It needed to be done .
        We currently are being governed AGAINST the will of the people.
        I can see Obama and his socialist party cronies trying to corrupt this process .
        Dont think the socialists wont try to get out front on this one.
        Please stay informed and engaged on this folks .

      13. OK,good news/happy news,we all need something to counteract all the negativity and give us reasons to be strong and enjoy life,here is one: ht tp://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/two-legged-boxer-duncan-lou-who-first-trip-to-the-beach/83100 ,as always,copy and delete space between http,do to avoid the moderation time,trust me,this little video will put a smile on even the most miserable/hard assed motherfucker,makes you glad to be alive to see things like this!

        • That was very cool. Thanks for the link. Pretty damn amazing. 🙂 For Sure

          • Yep wrong,we all need cool little stories like this to keep the faith and fight the evil,one incredibly tough little pooch,love his spirit and in challenging times would be happy to have half the drive/determination that little guy does!

      14. I think people have forgotten that the first ten amendments were from the Bill of Rights, and they are rights we have simply by being human. There was never any intention of amending these, as they cannot, by definition, be amended. We can add clarifications (which we have done over the years), but we cannot REMOVE or ALTER any of the first ten, because they are “Inalienable”, we cannot be separated from them by any government, agreement, or person. If they are altered, they are nullified by design.

      15. Need a joke? Should we did this to the jerks in DC???

        I never knew this.


        Did you ever wonder why there are no dead penguins

        on the ice in Antarctica – where do they go?

        Wonder no more ! ! !

        It is a known fact that the penguin is a very ritualistic

        bird which lives an extremely ordered and complex life.

        The penguin is very committed to its family and will

        mate for life, as well as maintaining a form of

        compassionate contact with its offspring throughout its life.

        If a penguin is found dead on the ice surface, other members

        of the family and social circle have been known to dig holes

        in the ice, using their vestigial wings and beaks, until the hole is

        deep enough for the dead bird to be rolled into and buried.

        The male penguins then gather in a circle

        around the fresh grave and sing:

        “Freeze a jolly good fellow”

        “Then they kick him in the ice hole.”


          When devastating hurricanes struck the Gulf Coast , even houses of worship were not spared.

          A local television station interviewed a woman from New Orleans and asked how the loss of churches in the area had affected their lives.

          Without hesitation, the woman replied, “I don’t know ’bout all those other peoples, but we ain’t gone to Churches in years. We gets our chicken from Popeye’s.”

          The look on the interviewer’s face was priceless.

          They live among us, AND THEY VOTE.

          Now do you understand how we got our president?

          • I would like to share an experience with you about drinking and driving.

            As you well know, some of us have been known to have had brushes with the authorities on our way home from the occasional social events over the years.

            A couple of nights ago, I was out for a few drinks with some friends and had a few too many beers and some rather nice cabernet.

            Knowing full well I may have been slightly over the limit, I did something I’ve never done before – I took a bus home.

            I arrived back home safely and without incident which was really a nice surprise since I had never driven a bus before and am not sure where I got this one.

            • Good move Eppe,the life you saved could have been yours or someone elses.I have triple aaa plus,have a few times after concerts had a “over heating” issue,free ride for me and car home safely,how ever you do it,feel free to party hard,just don’t risk others when you do it,seems fair all around.

              • I should have read eppes post more carefully/sober,ah well…..

                • It is just a joke…
                  Bud has been talking too…
                  At home of course…

                  • I was eating lunch on the 20th of February with my 10-year-old grandaughter and I asked her, “What day is tomorrow?”

                    She said “It’s President’s Day!”

                    She is a smart kid.

                    I asked “What does President’s Day mean?” I was waiting for something about Washington or Lincoln … etc.

                    She replied, “President’s Day is when President Obama steps out of the White House, and if he sees his shadow we have one more year of unemployment.”

                    You know, it hurts when coffee spurts out your nose…

            • Eppe, even with an article like this one, your humor is always welcome. Keep them coming.

          • Why have a constitutional convention to make changes? Nobody in this cobbled federal government is held accountable to the one we already have. It ain’t our constitution that’s broken. Get it???

      16. All I can say if they take away any of the 1St. 10 Amendments there will be a Revolution in the country. Those are just under the 10 Commandments in my heart.
        They might try to take the 2ND away and if they do there will not be 50 states in the USA. I believe that there will be states leaving the Union. There is where I will be heading.
        If I was going to add anything to the Constitution it would be term limits. Two terms for Pres, two terms for
        Sen. 4 terms for House. Can’t run for any office for 10 years. Only 1/3 you salary when you leave office. If you return to office you only get 1/3 of your salary from the new term. you give up the salary from the old term. Salaries have to be voted on by the people.
        Balance budget every year.
        No Executive orders for the States only for D.C.
        Aim Small Miss Small

        • And no lifetime healthcare/bodyguards or other crap we have to pay for. And NO salary when they get done. No Work No Pay… Just like you and I.

        • They can only take something away if we allow it,that right there,end of story.

      17. Since the US government violates with impunity every article and amendment in the present Constitution, why would anyone think they would obey a revised constitution?

      18. In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh ,

        had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

        “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent

        form of government.

        A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can

        vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

        From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the

        most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally

        collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”

        “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has

        been about 200 years.

        During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

        From bondage to spiritual faith;
        From spiritual faith to great courage;
        From courage to liberty;
        From liberty to abundance;
        From abundance to complacency;
        From complacency to apathy;
        From apathy to dependence;
        From dependence back into bondage.”
        The Obituary follows:

        Born 1776, Died 2012
        It doesn’t hurt to read this several times.

        Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul , Minnesota ,

        points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:

        Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
        Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
        Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
        Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

        Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was
        mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

        Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income
        tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”

        Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
        “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy,
        with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached
        the “governmental dependency” phase.

        If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
        invaders called illegal’s – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the
        USA in fewer than five years.

        If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at

        stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom..

        This is truly scary!

        Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic .

        Someone should point this out to Obama.

        Of course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The Constitution.

        • > What have we learned in 2,066 years?
          > The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled,
          > public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be
          > tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should
          > be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to
          > work, instead of living on public assistance.”
          > – Cicero – 55 BC
          > So….. evidently nothing.

      19. They will just propose new amendments in bureaucratese that sound good but have no meaning.

        Read the old Soviet constitution, that’s what will be in there.

        Read the UN Declarations, that’s what will be in there.

        Rights to income, housing, health care, food, proportionate voting, all kinds of things, will appear.

        And the rights we now have, will be gone, in order to ensure the new rights are available to all.

        Don’t fall for the pie-in-the-sky discussions. The left has been pushing for a convention for 50 years, and have planned for it right down to the last letter on the paper. With a complicit media, they will steamroll it through and you can kiss America goodbye.

      20. I like the 1st Amendment. Doesn’t it say–


        (Sorry, a few Olys)….

      21. “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a god-damned piece of paper!”

        there is some controversy as to whether Bush actually said this
        but you have to admit
        he damn sure lived it

        and as for Obama ???

        he’s been a thousand times worse

        neither party upholds the Constitution
        neither party upholds the laws of the land

        • And a new constitution isn’t going to change that, unless it says exactly what THEY want to hear.

      22. It will never happen in this way, TPTB will chip away at us, but at some point they will overreach and the dead American’s will awake. The question is “will it be too late” then the question is can the preppers help these people find a direction for their anger, we must be focused, yet the true targets are hiding.

      23. Let’s face it, people. The time is soon coming when we will have to move our battle for individual liberty from the courtoom to the streets. The people in power in this nation that say that the constitution is outdated are really saying your FREEDOMS are outdated. I hate to see this happen, but the day is approaching when we won’t vote with ballots but by racking the slide and tapping the forward assist.


        I had to look up “paraprosdokian”. Here is the definition:

        “Figure of speech in which the latter part of a sentence or phrase is surprising or

        unexpected; frequently used in a humorous situation.”

        “Where there’s a will, I want to be in it,” is a type of paraprosdokian.

        Ok, so now enjoy!

        1. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

        2. The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it’s still on my list.

        3. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

        4. If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.

        5. We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

        6. War does not determine who is right – only who is left.

        7. Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

        8. Evening news is where they begin with ‘Good Evening,’ and then proceed to tell you why it isn’t.

        9. To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research.

        10. A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station.

        11. I thought I wanted a career. Turns out I just wanted paychecks.

        12. Whenever I fill out an application, in the part that says, ‘In case of emergency, notify:’ I put ‘DOCTOR.’

        13. I didn’t say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

        14. Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are sexy.

        15. Behind every successful man is his woman. Behind the fall of a successful man is usually another woman.

        16. A clear conscience is the sign of a fuzzy memory.

        17. I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn’t work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.

        18. You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

        19. Money can’t buy happiness, but it sure makes misery easier to live with.

        20. There’s a fine line between cuddling and holding someone down so they can’t get away.

        21. I used to be indecisive. Now I’m not so sure.

        22. You’re never too old to learn something stupid.

        23. To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.

        24. Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be.

        25. Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

        26. Going to church doesn’t make you a Chris tian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.

        27. A diplomat is someone who tells you to go to hell in such a way that you look forward to the trip.

        28. Hospitality is making your guests feel at home even when you wish they were.

        29. I always take life with a grain of salt. Plus a slice of lemon, and a shot of tequila.

        30. When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water.

        Words of Wisdom

        “The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.”

        ~ Jon Hammond

        • made my day eppe. the sad truth is we ARE a dying breed, its called change. only when its gone do we miss what we had. when ppl on dole start to be eliminated, only then will they understand that building on the sands of equal treatment due to just being born, and not working for what they’ve received, they should have built on the bedrock of honest labor for honest wages.

      25. This is off the subject but I need other people’s opinion on this one. I was looking at how they have not found that missing plane, and I was listening to how the passengers’ families are now convinced that the plane is being hidden for whatever reason. I think it is possible that it was hijacked and to be used later for a weapon. Then all of a sudden this thought came over me and it is a whopper of a bad thought. Another “conspiracy” theory, but kind of a scary one.

        Could someone on that plane been sick with some deadly virus and the people are right now being quarantined by the governments of Malaysian or other governments. If say smallpox or other strange virus was discovered to be in one of more of the passengers, rather than send the world into a panic they would fake this whole plane disappearing. Why didn’t Indonesian radar pick this plane up IF it flew in this direction. Even one case of some horrible outbreak could panic everyone. This I think is a possibility. It could be sitting in some hangar in Somalia for as far as I know. This does sound plausible doesn’t it that they are holding these people because of maybe some Ebola, smallpox, plague, or some other newly discovered dangerous pathogen?

        • Don’t know, BI. While Ebola has now spread to 4 countries, I notice that international flights (Conakry) are still going on.
          My opinion is that the aircraft is now underwater. In the 1950’s Northwest Airlines lost a DC-6 in Lake Michigan. It hasn’t been found either.

          • Interesting but it does not explain the presence of the 777 siting in the hanger in Tel Aviv still in its malaysian airlines colours, or the rabid insistence on 3 occasions by Isreali commentators that it was hijacked as part of an Iranian plot to use the plane to bomb Isreal, before any other info was released. Or Rupert Murdoch’s tweeting of the same claims, which set the agenda for his media empire.

            I am watching the colour of Australian Prime Minister Abbotts hair with interest. I expect it to turn snow white very quickly.

            • Be informed

              To go along with your disease conspiracy thoughts,

              look up the article: ‘Malaysia Airlines “Suspicious

              Cargo” Destroyed In Massive New Mexico Explosion’

              at: what does it mean.com

              You are the only person I have seen so far to have

              the idea that correlates to this conspiracy theory

              besides myself.

              • OutWest, whatdoesitmean.com is not a good source of information and is run by Russian Intelligence.

                • Yeah I know, Braveheart

                  Just throwing it at BI as a point of interest.

                  As an aside though, I’m not so sure Russian

                  intelligence is any less reliable than the lies

                  we get from our own government. Just saying.

        • BI; I keep telling people that Elvis stole the plane…
          Joking of course, but it does mke one wonder how a plane can disappear with out a trace, and millions spent on finding it… But here is one opinion…

          I wonder if the 4 Chinese inventors of cloaking tech company who were one the plane have something to do with this… It would be nice to know, since it has been 28 days now…

          • Last one for the night…. Since females are smarter than males…

            In the hospital the relatives gathered in the waiting room, where a family member lay gravely ill. Finally, the doctor came in looking tired and somber.

            “I’m afraid I’m the bearer of bad news,” he said as he surveyed the worried faces. “The only hope left for your loved one at this time is a brain transplant. It’s an experimental procedure, very risky, but it is the only hope. Insurance will cover the procedure, but you will have to pay for the BRAIN.”

            The family members sat silent as they absorbed the news. After a time, someone asked, “How much will a brain cost?”

            The doctor quickly responded, “$5,000 for a male brain; $200 for a female brain.”

            The moment turned awkward. Some of the men actually had to ‘try’ to not smile, avoiding eye contact with the women.
            A man unable to control his curiosity, finally blurted out the question everyone wanted to ask, “Why is the male brain so much more than a female brain?”

            The doctor smiled at the childish innocence and explained to the entire group, “It’s just standard pricing procedure. We have to price the female brains a lot lower because they’ve been used.”

            • Eppe, as much as I love your humor, I have to disagree about women being smarter than men. While there are a lot of younger men out there lacking in the brains dept., let’s not forget what feminism has done to women’s minds.

              • Brave; I placed that there not to piss off the females here, I do believe we have equal amounts of intelligence, just some more, some less, just trying to be PC. I know when it comes to computers, I am way ahead of my wife, but when it comes to social interactions, she is way ahead of me. I guess that is why we work together well, few arguements, fights, etc…
                It was just a joke….
                Tomorrow is our 18th anniversery, 26 years together, and it seems like yesterday we met, my how time flies…

                • Happy Anniversary what a milestone it take guts, glory, and gumption to last that long nowadays, hoistin a cold one up for you guys, blessed be!

              • The only woman that was less intelligent than brave??? I don’t think she exists unless she is brain dead on life support.

          • Rolls Royce monitors their leased engines con..stant..ly!!…why are they quiet???

            • They’re not quiet, they provided the monitoring data and that is one reason the search moved from the China Sea to the Indian Ocean.

        • The plane landed safely at Diego Garcia. That passenger Philip Woods sent a message: “I have been held hostage by unknown military personal after my flight was hijacked (blindfolded). I work for IBM and I have managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack. I have been separated from the rest of the passengers and I am in a cell. My name is Philip Wood. I think I have been drugged as well and cannot think clearly.” – Phil Wood, IBM techie and passenger on MH370, transmitting from Diego Garcia, according to EXIF data in photo he took of his location.

          The shills have gone crazy at this expose’, giving it still greater credibility.

        • I buy the mysterious package aboard that killed a Seal and another guy guarding it on a ship story.

          That info sure got sidelined quickly.
          Now, what was in that package that killed two men??

          • You the two guys who died of overdoses TEN DAYS before the plane took off?

            Why are you still alive, since you know all about this?

        • Be Informed-

          For your information pal…we Americans are already infected with a dangerous pathogen…

          ..its called the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!!

          • Make that FERAL Govt…

      26. More or less those opposed to civilian firearm ownership are legally dead in the water after Heller and McDonald. I therefore suspect they will go absolutely full court press to remove the Second Amendment or at a minimum prostitute its intent with selective wording if given the opportunity.

        • Yep, just add the following words to the existing 2nd Amendment : “…shall not be infringed, except as allowed by regulation in the public interest.”

          Then watch the floodgates open.

      27. This is like that Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times.

      28. The nation is broken, but not the Constitution. We just have to demand that our governments obey the rules by which we allow them to serve as our government.

        • yeah…that really works.

      29. SurvivalBlog’s Swedish server at is down. The U.S. server at says there is a problem that may take 3 days to fix.

        • Think the govt crashed it? Are they planning something big and don’t want the word to get out?

      30. I think I just pooped myself

      31. Also…it might be time for a little recall

      32. @ Mac

        Thanks for covering this in depth. I believe there is more at stake here than people realize. Keep up the good work. 🙂

      33. Don’t worry, if you like your Constitution, you can keep your Constitution.

        God Bless,

      34. Once bitten, twice shy, would be a wise approach to take when dealing with any political entity or its representatives.

        Suffice to say, understanding something of the nature of a State, can help clear up what seems to be delusional thinking in the minds of men –

        Political Charters Create Corporate Countries As Fictions
        (as well as Corporate States as Fictions)

        *Category:Political charters

      35. The whole thing is a bad idea. They don’t follow the one we have, and I don’t trust many of the elected republicans to not sell us out like they usually do.

        Side issue: Egon von Greyerz says we are in the beginning stage of hyperinflation.
        “The US in now slowly entering its hyperinflationary phase. Food prices are already up 19% in the first three months of 2014. On an annualized basis that is 76% which is a clear sign that hyperinflation is already starting.”

      36. The system is NOT broken. The people are not doing enough to take part in the system to change things. Yes, voting is kind of meaningless considering the rigging involved. But, people are not doing enough at the local level and protestation. Tinkering with the BoR & Constitution is dangerous at this point, because most americans are ignorant, and you have a corrupt body of wealthy baby boomers who only care about power and money. This new convention could be a disaster. There are many people like mikey-boy rivero who would love to see the USA break apart. I know another country that wold too, russia. Considering those 20k signatures for Alaska to join russia it is clear that we have infiltrators that are trying to destroy the Republic. To me this new conventions smacks of purposeful misdirection with the intent to dissolve the Republic. Simply stated: it’s not time yet. Let this government collapse first.

      37. If they really wanted to delete or amend the 2nd amendment and we’re successful at actually making it happen they’re welcome to my guns….but they’ll have to pull them red-hot and empty from my cold dead hands….

        Nobody will give a fuck if the Constitution is amended or not….the president and congress practically ignore it as it is right now, the banksters and global corporate have successfully usurped all of its means of protecting the people’s property and privacy via alternating presidential candidates from the two-parties that act as one in order to initiate the NWO…

        and only about 5% of the entire population even know what it’s for.

        This is meaningless since the CFR basically runs the US and they could give a damn about inalienable rights or America’s self-made former greatness.

        • you know…this cannot be a coincidence…nothing happens by coincidence.

          I wonder how much combined liberal/commie money and political lobbying (think Rockefeller, Soros, CFR, Bloomberg, Holly-weird, Move-on dot org, Carlos Slim, etc.) it would take to sway a bunch of up-and-coming states’ delegates (many of which will undoubtedly be urban minority democrats and whites who pander to urban minority democrats like in Chit-Cago and San-Fag-cisco) at a constitutional convention to completely trash what’s left of the people’s constitution; and then to convert it into a modern-day version of the communist manifesto & open the door for the CFR’s utopic vision of the NWO?

          Ow man! this tinfoil hat is too tight!

        • if it’s behavior is altered by starvation…it is real.

          if it bleeds to death after you’ve shot it 5 or 6 times…it’s real.

      38. The Fat Lady has sung and the toothpaste can’t be put back in the tube.
        What would a Balanced Budget Amendment matter when we’re 17T in debt and the Fed is systematically destroying the US Dollar?
        Not worried about the 2nd Amend. A mans right to self-defense and self-sufficiency predates the Constitution.

      39. Yea this is all fine and well but lets keep in mind that these CFR boot licking political whores cant uphold the constitution we already have so what makes you think changing this one will do any good????

      40. Here’s the BIG problem. They’ll act like they care, say “let’s let the people decide”, rig the voting in their favor and take down every name of every person voting that’s Pro gun and wham, win-win for evil!

        • The population of Kentucky is 4.5 million.
          The number of gun owners is 1.9 million.
          Wouldn’t that mean about 1 of 2 households are armed?
          And if a revolution happens, the gun owners will give the unarmed households a gun.

          States with High Populations of Gun Owners
          #11. Kentucky – 47.7%
          That means 10 states are more armed than us. 🙂

      41. hmmm
        SurvivalBlog website down again

        another hack attack ???

      42. Thomas Jefferson said, “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

        From an article by Richard L. Bushman, professor of history, Boston University, dated June 1976 (ironic year), Bushman writes:

        “When should a people go to the extremity of revolt?”

        Bushman then quotes Jefferson, “When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such governments…”

        Bushman states, “The key word was design. Mere incompetence was not enough. Mistakes had to be tolerated. It was only when the will of the sovereign aimed specifically at destroying all the rights of a people and reducing them to slavery that revolution was justified.”

        Bushman then again quotes Jefferson, “The history of the present King of Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these States.”

        Bushman then wrote, “The abuses listed in the declaration were aimed at proving the point. The American revolutionaries themselves would not endorse a revolution arising from ineptitude in government or even suffering among the people. A much deeper and pervasive corruption was necessary—a malevolent and enduring design to destroy the freedom of the people.”

        Bushman then posits: “There are two questions we must ask when someone makes a case for revolution: does he represent a minority point of view disguised as the will of the people; and does he represent the desires of the whole better than the lawfully elected representatives of the people gathered in our legislative bodies?”

        Interesting questions from 1776 and 1976…for today.

        • @Truedat
          “Does he represent a minority point of view”
          This precisely is what has me worried,
          Im sure gun owners, and certainly patriotic gun owners could be considered a minority,
          Depending on how the books are cooked,
          So then being labeled a minority our views will be moot.

          Im sure the pre holocaust Jews would have some words of wisdom about disarmament.

      43. The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose.

        James A. Baldwin

      44. I think it would all be a “negotiation”. There would be “reasonable” accomodations like we will give you term limits and maybe even eliminate income taxes(lots of ways to get in our pockets) in exchange for some limits on gun ownership(why would anyone need all those type guns and rounds of ammo?).It will all sound very appealing and “reasonable” to the masses. We have been down this road before.

      45. @ eppe. You know I am growing so tired of this missing plane story, but I would like to say something about the math of what is going on right now considering that the Chinese have somehow come up with some mysterious underwater signal.

        The area that they are now searching is 1700 miles away from the point in which the plane went missing. It was suppose to be in the air for 7 hours at least after it lost contact. That means unless it was zig zagging like a drunk dragonfly it was travelling at about 250 mph in 7 hours to get 1700 miles away. That is below stall speed. The plane cannot maintain such a slow speed for so long without falling from the sky. This whole thing is one of the biggest deceptions ever for whatever reason, either becausde these idiots are clueless or they are hiding something substantial worth this farce to hide.

        The point I am trying to make to everyone is that the MSM is the biggest farce and largest pile of horese crap that there is. I am not into conspiracies, but the utter lies and deception leads alternative news sites into the ONLY truth we can find. That is as long as alternative news sites look for the actual truth and not just say something because it sounds good and brings people in. I appreciate that Mac looks for the truth and tries to put out the truth as close to what it is as possible. Just a thought this morning.

        • that’s because they are looking for something that isn’t there
          and if they ever do find something of wreckage , its because our government or milasian government wanted them to find it.
          that plane landed, not crashed
          so if wreckage is found, its because in the past month it (the wreckage) was placed to be found on purpose

          It might be years before this aircraft ends up being used for its purpose, or it might already have been used for its purpose..those people on board and the technology they had with them, was the full reason for this charade.

          all the “searching” by some is all done for the world stage..granted some countries may be trying to truly find something, its because they are not made aware of this False Flag, and what its future purpose might be

          Just my opinion due to what we have been told, what I have seen, and what doesn’t make sense

        • BI, good morning, and excellent points I will add. Let me expand on one point you made concerning Mac. I know Mac always strives for truth and does his very best to bring it to us. He brings us these articles for our information, discussion, and debate. It’s OK if anyone finds something questionable in any article and they give their opinion of why they think the article is bogus. Intelligent debate and discussion is what we always strive for here at SHTFPlan.com. What I have a problem with is people making personal attacks on Mac or anyone else here which I think is totally uncalled for. People can disagree with us on issues until the cows come home; that’s OK. But when they start saying things like, “Mac makes his living selling fear porn”, I’m taking issue with that, BECAUSE I THINK I KNOW MAC SLAVO BETTER THAN THAT. Mac, I know we’ve never met, and may never meet, but somehow I trust you. I believe you’re real and you do your dead level best to bring us the truth. On occasion, I’ve questioned some things in some articles myself, but I also know you have no control of the content of the articles. You and SHTFPlan.com still rock in my book.

        • BI; Agreed, I wish we would be told the truth for once…
          I want to thank Mac again for a site where we can bounce things off each other, right or wrong, we all NEED to know the TRUTH, whatever it is…

        • BI; Excellent article, I invested in the company called Digital Angel in 2002, about 5k, and have lost it all, now have 2 shares worth about 5 bucks… reverse splits…
          Live and learn, but I invested in a company that I thought was predicted in the last book in the Bible as the “mark of the beast”, since it seemed to be a sure thing… Right or wrong, you do not fight the tape, as they say in Wall Street…

      46. Anybody that messes with My Constitution will hear 6 clicks from Bertha! (sorry braveheart, I had to use your line once)….

        • Be. I; Seems that everyday we get another deception by way of the MSM! I refuse to believe a damn thing that we are told anymore.I was just watching the in our face deception of the trangenterd Williams sisters and MO that is just to further the LGBT,another ly that could so easily be proven by DNA,and also the ly of the Flight 370 The Freescale suicide by jaco Rothschild! Just take your pick, when are we ever going to wake up and stop this madness???

        • They will not hear a thing from me or my tools,they will though,be silent and a non threat/food source for critters.

        • Howdy, Ugly, and that’s OK. I don’t own any copyright to the name. I think everyone should have their own Bertha.

          • I got 3 “Berthas” too, fun to skeet shoot with…

      47. Anything is possible. Because we have the call for a convention will not guarantee we will get the votes to ratify. While everyone looks at the elimination of the second amendment we could also see it with tighter controls on the government. We could also call for the elimination of the commerce clause. I ask many people what part of the constitution gives us our rights and almost 90% get it wrong. Most reply with the ten amendments. I try to inform all that our constitution doesn’t give us our rights but protects us from government. I say scare the hell out of our politicians by demanding a reduction of government powers and the elimination of departments and the controls shifted away from the president. Our politicians will assume they will have control of this convention. We need to make it clear to them that this is up to the people. Many will try to buy the votes of the people and we need a system that insures we only have citizen involvement. I propose that the presidency be removed in its entirety. The governors of all the states would provide its function. I have worked up an outline that would provide for the powers of the presidency to be exercised to eliminate all the favoritism and payoff’s that occur by big money providing election moneys. The peoples control of the governors could also be increased. All this would provide the people to have direct input on the office that is not present now. We are told by our parties who to vote for. It may sound complicated but would give the people better control of our country.

      48. There are only two areas that will initiate another revolution: A state or federal effort to confiscate our guns, or an end to the petrodollar/deficit/debt racket that stops SS checks & pensions from being mailed.
        Either one of these will trigger it, but it’s possible we’ll see both arrive simultaneously since those in government want us disarmed prior to any economic collapse (Sandy Hook was obviously a hoax & probably designed to get this going, but it failed wonderfully)

      49. You damn fools should welcome this. Maybe an amendment that is as poorly written and vaguely worded and reads like it was written like a semiliterate with a poor command of the English language penne it can now be clarified. I know when I was in school if turned in a piece of writing that was as vague as the second amendment, it would have been returned ungraded with a demand that it be rewritten to make the meaning clear. As long as the second amendment remains in its muddled state, there can be nothing but arguments over its meaning.

      50. I don’t think there will a be Convention. A number of the states retracted their call for one over the years anyway. Or, if there will be one, I would expect it to take place years…. and years…. from now. Nothing in government gets done expediently, or efficiently. Why would this be different? I also don’t think that the 2nd Amendment will be touched. As incompetent as the federal and (many) state governments are, they know that the citizens who reside outside of DC and other metro areas will create a serious ruckus if this occurs. I wouldn’t be surprised if secession creeps back into the lexicon. What president would want to be responsible for trying to maintain the Union and killing 620,000 Americans like Lincoln? 620,000 American casualties under Lincoln’s watch and he is considered the best statesman in American history? Would any jackwagon 21st century president want that much blood on his hands?

      51. in 1776 are founding fathers made the organic Constitution for the United States of America .

        that same year 1776 the Corporation of Great Britain threw out the organic Constitution for the United States of America and made the THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION for Corporation .

        which in turns means you work for Great Britain .

        look it up the real organic Constitution for the United States of America is NOT in caps

        the one which we are under now is all in caps

      52. You do know that IF they (state legislature representatives) have a convention and IF they can agree, then each state (you get to vote) has to vote on each amendment and 2/3 of all the states has to pass it. Then it becomes part of the constitution. Hasn’t been one in a while… Shot down the Equal Right Amendment last. So Congress and the POTUS are not involve in this process. So what are we worried about?

        • I don’t think our (Va) legislature would agree on any new gun amendments. And I’m sure Va (including me) wouldn’t vote for anti gun amendment. Maybe there is a shot for a Balanced Budget Amendment (which is the reason for the call to convention).

        • VaFarmBoy…if convened, the constitution is void. as with the articles of confederation was voided,…replaced with the constitution.

      53. Statesmen are not in the majority. electronic voting boxes are rigged. authoritarians would take control. several years ago there was an attempt at a constitutional convention, i believe the number was 32 states agreed, but then realized the danger and withdrew. once convened the old constitution is void. Justice Thurgood Marshall spoke on this matter. dont fall for the con-con. theres nothing wrong with the constitution, the problem is…the people dont enforce it any longer.

      54. ALL (state legislature representatives ) WORK FOR THE “Corporation” which in turn again work for Great Britain.

      55. For fuck sake. Never going to happen and now you are making up shit to be outraged and feared. This really takes the cake and you need a life. You really are all retarded.

      56. 2/3 of 50 is 34, when was the first state calling for this con-con? there must be a time limit. usually 7 years for a ratification. but if a con-con convenes. the constitution is voided and authoritarians or domestic enemies will rewrite it.

      57. sweetliberty.org/coscon.htm, read down aways and get an idea of what were up against.

      58. Article V requires 3/4 for a convention, not 2/3. the Amendment process requires 2/3, we have 27 Amendments ratified by the 2/3. a convention requires 37 states. dont let them trick you into a convention that is 3 states short!

      59. Based on recent history I believe the risk of the established lawmakers attempting an “Iraqi Blitz” on the 2nd Amendment is pretty high. The Iraqi Blitz is my reference to the last Iraq war, where our soldiers ran past the Jihadis before they knew we were coming. I think the same might happen here as has happened in the last several years of this administration. They run past the law they want to break and let the rest of America play catch up… why not do the same to the constitution? I have to agree with the author of this article. America will demand to alter the constitution and the Gov’t will abide… throwing in a bone or two for itself.

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