Editor’s Note: On Monday we highlighted the fact that China wis massing some 150,000 troops on the North Korean border. At the time, we asked whether China was sending a thinly veiled message to President Trump warning him not to interfere on the Korean peninsula, or whether China could be preparing its own offensive against Kim Jong Un’s regime. It appears now that whatever discussions were had between U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi over the weekend, the result was cooperation against the North Korean nuclear program. As reported by Zero Hedge, China has now warned North Korea that it will take direct military action against their nuclear facilities, something Trump himself threatened to do, should Un cross any red lines. China, it seems, is now a U.S. ally in the region. Of course, things are moving at such a rapid pace it is hard to nail down exactly what is taking place on the geo-political stage. One day we’re at peace with EastAsia… The next day there could be mushroom clouds.
Via Zero Hedge:
With everyone putting down new and/or revised “red lines“, be it on Syria or North Korea, it was now China’s turn to reveal its “red” or rather “bottom line”, and in a harshly worded editorial titled “The United States Must Not Choose a Wrong Direction to Break the DPRK Nuclear Deadlock on Wednesday” Beijing warned it would attack North Korea’s facilities producing nuclear bombs, effectively engaging in an act of war, if North Korea crosses China’s “bottom line.”
The editorial in the military-focused Global Times tabloid, owned and operated by the Communist Party’s People’s Daily newspaper, said that North Korea’s nuclear activities must not jeopardize northeastern China, and that if the North impacts China with its illicit nuclear tests through either “nuclear leakage or pollution”, then China will respond with force.
“China has a bottom line that it will protect at all costs, that is, the security and stability of northeast China… If the bottom line is touched, China will employ all means available including the military means to strike back. By that time, it is not an issue of discussion whether China acquiesces in the US’ blows, but the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own.”
This, as the editorial puts it, is the “bottom line” for China; should it be crossed China will employ all means available including the military means to strike back,” warned the editorial.
It is worth noting is that shortly after publication, the article seems to have been retracted without explanation, the URL now returning a “404” error. However not before the original article was cached on a webpage owned by China Military, courtesy of google.
In the editorial, the author also declared that the “People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own. A strike to nuclear facilities of the DPRK is the best military means in the opinion of the outside world.” The northeastern Chinese provinces of Liaoning and Jilin share borders with North Korea. These two provinces and Heilongjiang are part of the Shenyang Military Region, one of seven military regions of the People’s Liberation Army.
The editorial also explained the advantages to the world of a Chinese attack on North Korea’s nuclear facilities.
It noted China and the world know the locations of North Korea’s nuclear facilities. Once the PLA attacks these nuclear sites, North Korea will permanently suspend its nuclear weapons programs.
North Korea “has limited resources of nuclear materials and is strictly blockaded in the outside world, erasing the possibility for DPRK to get the materials again.”
China also noted that “nuclear weapons is DPRK’s trump card for its defiance of China and the United States. Once this card is lost, it will become obedient immediately.”
The author then speculated rhetorically that if North Korea’s “nuclear facilities are destroyed, they will not even fight back, but probably block the news to fool its domestic people. The DPRK will freak out if its nuclear facilities are destroyed.” And yes, a Chinese author said “freak out.”
The report also said that “the DPRK must not fall into the turmoil to send a large number of refugees, it is not allowed to have a government that is hostile against China on the other side of the Yalu River, and the US military must not push forward its forces to the Yalu River.” It notes that “this sentence is meant for the United States, because the premise of it is that the US military has launched attacks to the DPRK.”
But what may be the most notable part of the oped is the mention in the Global Times editorial that North Korea will not be “not allowed to have a government that is hostile against China on the other side of the Yalu River.” This implies that if and when the US initiate strikes on NK, the Chinese PLA will likely send out troops “to lay the foundation” for a favorable post-war situation.
In other words, China may be just waiting for Trump to “decapitate” the North Korean regime, to pounce and immediately fill the power vacuum.
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Looks like North Korea is about to go the way of Tibet.
Everyone has had enough of Kim Jong’s shit, including China. Xi probably figures he can use this opportunity to appropriate a few million more square miles of land for the greater good.
Un’s days are numbered, which makes him quite dangerous.
I don’t want to say “I told you so” to this community …. but, I told you so. 🙂
China does not want a war with the US, or anyone else if it’s avoidable. But, they also don’t want Kim ‘taken care of’ by us. They’d rather do it themselves so they don’t lose face. Also, they don’t want a gazillion panicked North Koreans streaming across their borders. I’ve assumed from the first reports of the Chinese troops massing at the border that their main goal was to protect CHINA from a refugee flood.
If the ChiComs had their druthers- They’d rather take Kim to the woodshed, spank him privately, then have him behave. Much like they occasionally did to his old man. And maybe they will.
Then we’ll be back to status quo- North Korea does a bit of saber rattling (but not too much and not too often), the western diplomats pretend to wet their pants and take him seriously for a few days…. then, everybody goes back to watching tv.
Kim, however, may be just crazy enough to cross the Chinese, in which case he will quickly and painfully find out he shouldn’t have.
As for China- they have FAR too many domestic problems to contend with to seriously desire conflict with the west. They have a couple hundred million people who have only recently gotten a taste of western near-middle-class lifestyles. Plus a few hundred million more who want in on the good life.
For the Communist Party leaders, the goal is to somehow maintain the economic level of the middle class, plus expand it to accommodate another quarter-billion who want it. Lately they haven’t been keeping up. And since the whole plan relies on exports to the west, they aren’t likely to do anything to further erode relations with their main source of economic lifeblood. Nor will they allow Kim to do anything stupid enough to mess that up. If that means taking him out, so be it!
SmokinOkie, that’s a real good analysis and I hope you’re right about it. My guess is also that they don’t want a whole bunch of NKs coming across their border. I also tend to believe they’ll deal with Kim themselves. As a last resort if they consider it necessary they’ll replace the Kim family with someone who will behave and maybe even start taking better care of their people. Food aid from Cina always goes straight to the NK military because they’re the ones who keep Kim in power and to hell with the average NK citizens. I don’t see china wanting to keep providing the same amount of food aid to NK forever. Plus, China wants to keep that buffer zone and not have South Korean or US troops on the Yalu river. So it’s in china’s best interests to deal with Kim themselves.
Welll said, my friend, and fellow Okie! What part are you from? I was born in Anadarko, went grade school at Carnegie and Anadarko, but raised most of the time in Eakly and Weatherford. Have lived overseas the last 27 years. Got family all over, Newalla, Harrah, El Reno, Mustang, Weatherford, OKC. God Bless you and yours!
SmokinO, I believe you’re right.
And now we know the context of the meeting Trump had with Xi Jinping last week.
Kim Fat Phuk, it’s your turn!!!
Un’s days are numbered, which makes him quite dangerous.
Hence all the THAAD missiles. Which from what I hear, actually work. For once.
Maybe somebody somebody made some dealy-dealies over the upcoming Chinese Thorium reactors.
God knows if we’re about to flush our economy down the shitter, those could at least keep the lights on and the EBT working. Or something.
Bit LATE… the deployment schedule’s probably decades… unless somebody somebody flushes the EPA first. All I can think of is Peck from Ghostbusters every time I say EPA LOL
Nuclear “leakage” is bad with China’s borders right next to North Korea… However, if China “blows up” the nuclear facilities of North Korea, ummm… wouldn’t that be a bit worse for the Chinese living right next door to North Korea??
Good points. However, N. Korea has about 46,000 square miles of land. 🙂
This is from The Art of the Deal by Donald J.Trump, the Donald’s very own playbook.
But, what does China get, besides a big chunk of North Korea? Taiwan?
What does China get ??? Why should it get anything ??? The Fat Kid is a madman. That said, what China gets is a South Korea without nukes and a Japan without nukes.
Its a no-brainer. 🙂
Everyone has had enough of Kim Jong’s shit…..
I thought Kim Jong didn’t use the bathroom. He doesn’t have a butthole, remember?
North Korea covers about 80,000 Sq Miles
I think it was yesterday that I said Trump had probably made a deal with China.
Resisting the globalist is suicide…
I’m starting to wonder if there’s an allied China/ US relationship in the works. Whether it’ll be short term or just some ass kissing because the US could collapse their economy. In any event, Vlad better be careful. I’m certain that’s something he doesn’t wanna deal with.
Stay quiet Be smart
Possible but I doubt it because of the South China Sea. A deal with the US would include that they relinquish their claim on the South China Sea; loss of face. If the US leaves them alone there, the US loses key allies. They can’t. I think what’s going on is Trump said do something about NK and every thing will be fine. Chinese; OK. When NK will be solved, Trump is going to say get the hell out of the sea and everything will be fine. Then it’s going to be interesting.
I read today that China refused to accept about 5 freighters loaded with coal from NoKo. Don’t know if it’s true or not. Wait and see.
Archivist, it looks that way. The Chinese have also made it clear they won’t allow Korea to be reunified under Seoul’s leadership. That would mean South Korean and US troops on the Yalu River, which is a HUGE NO-NO for China. If it was reunified under a COMMIE regime friendly to China, that would be different. Either way, the days of the Kim family dynasty in NK are numbered, a really small number.
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Even communists are capitalists.
Lets see, who is buttering my bread?
Watch this guys videos on China. It is really enlightening to see what China is really like.
I had always thought China was more like North Korea, but China is really a lot more like America, capitalism everywhere, and McDonalds too.
North Korea is a threat to everyone as long as the crazy fat kid is calling the shots. I would welcome action by China.
It is worth thinking about what war in North Korea means with a clear head. Let’s explore the scenarios:
Scenario 1: America has the most amazing decapitation plan ever and swiftly takes out Fat Kim while he is beating off to a stroke site on the internet. The Hermit Kingdom then bows to America and US and Chinese corporations flood in within months to do business.
The problem: This is the scenario we more or less got from a Hollywood comedy recently. I highly doubt it will happen. Fat Kim does not sit there for no reason: he is propped up by a complex web of actors, many of whom profit from the Hermit Kingdom through many global scams and schemes. The population is also heavily programmed by decades of propaganda, so it would be a massive freakout if all that ended. They have the weapons, the defences and have prepped for a US attack since the 1950s. The chances of all that folding in hours seems unlikely.
Scenario 2: Fat Kim is truly as bat shit as Trump says and is ready to strike the US and its allies. If he even does just one of these things before he goes up in a giant mushroom cloud, how will that impact the US and its allies? Do you think people will be grateful for stopping Kim just after provoking him and he has nuked some city or base? How will this impact a Western population that has not sustained major casualties since World War Two? How will power relations in Asia play out? Will the people of Asia just go ‘yeah, cool, America showed Kim!!”.
Scenario 3: China takes care of Kim. It may be racial and ethnic rainbows where you live, but in the world outside the US and Western Europe EVERYTHING is decided by race and ethnicity. EVERYTHING. The North Koreans only cooperate with China because they once drank the Commie Kool-Aid and both hate America. Otherwise, they hate each other from a race perspective. How will Chinese-hating NKers take to being ruled over by Han Chinese. I don’t think very well.
Scenario 4: Scenario 4 is the various mass bombing/land invasion plans we have heard about for years. None of that will be bloodless. In fact, all those scenarios unleash complete and total mayhem however you game it. Scenario 4 would crack Western public opinion because the shere mayhem and bloodshed would be a total freakout. Think of how traumatised people got over the tiny casualty rates of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (historically speaking)? Having a fruitloop, gay underwear model-type (Trudeau) gurning and selfieing among other world leaders will not be enough to calm the public.
Kim Jong Un will probably nuke South Korea, or try to, as one last act of defiance.
Un chokes on a chicken bone.
The only problem with estimates of NORK military strength- Most of their military is still locked in the 1950s with old Soviet tanks, old Soviet trucks, old Soviet weapons, and malnourished soldiers manning them all. The point at which they were a potent military force was passed long ago and they are left further behind in the dust every year as technology progresses. They’re locked in a time capsule. The US and ROK have also spent the last 60+ years on their defenses and making improvements, while the NORKs starved in solitary confinement. The NORKs have no chance of a military solution and I believe they know it. Everything else is bluster aimed at getting attention and squeezing out concessions from the West.
Most probable Option if US is involved:
B52’s carpet bomb the DMZ artillery and armored units while the cruise missiles decimate their command and control facilities and airfields. U.S. and South Korean fast movers (Fighters and smaller bombers) hit the remaining units as the U.S. & South Korean artillery and MLRS units unleash their ordnance upon the running scared little guys. This all is done simultaneously. Also, the North Korean military has no one that has any combat service in the last 60+ years. Just think of what psychological effect that would have on a non-combat-experienced military unit. Food for thought.
I can think of one other scenario that most likely can occur. North Korea is ruled by a chihuahua of a boy-man. Lots of yapping and posturing. But, like any ankle-biter, he has teeth. And like any dog, if backed into a corner, he will ultimately take the only option he feels left to him – to bite and go down in a snarling attack. Sure, he’ll lose. But, he lets instinct take over and dies trying. I see it that Kim Jong Un decides enough is enough and launches a multi-pronged offensive against South Korea as was done on June 25, 1950 by this ‘Kim’s grandfather Kim Il Sung. If I were him, I’d take that moment to also do as he’s so many times threatened – do his level best to launch anything and everything he has against the US. Hell, maybe a toss of a fizzle nuke at any and all forces northwest of the Yalu. Why not? He’s going down and knows it. His only chance of ‘greatness’ and success is to kick the entire pot of propaganda over into full-scale war.
You might just be right.
At least NK has the stones to resist globalization , unlike you overly medicated, undereducated, cholesterol laden time bombs.
Okay Mr. Wiseguy. And what are you doing to resist globalization?
Voland, go f#$% yourself. We don’t like trolls. Move along, sonny.
I think Kim has no idea what is going on outside his own border. His stones are about to be deactivated.
Jim, I’m sure that’s true, he’s probably only told what they think he wants to hear. His only outside news source is probably his butt-buddy Dennis Rodman.
You folks are getting WAY TOO MUCH mileage out of Rodman. Next.
I hope China takes this little FAT Bastard to the wood shed and beats his FAT ASS.
I think China has learned that the aren’t dealing with a fagot pres. like Obullshit any more. The have a Pres. in office that will say what he means and means what the FUCK he says.
Translation, if China must risk contending with the US forces along its borders, it will annex North Korea.
Somehow, I doubt Kim Jung-Un and his father was undoubtedly aware precisely that dynamic given the history of the leadership of China, which has a history of backstabbing those under them such as I would not under any circumstances offer China’s leadership suggestions in governance…
The land of Sun Tzu…
For those who have not read it, Sun Tzu Art of War, is a timeless read.
What kind of a deal did Trump make with Xi? There goes any hope of bringing jobs back to US. Same- oh, same- oh. Guess it’s better than nuclear war. Hopefully Putin realizes nuclear war is not the correct choice. In fact the US still needs to get out of the middle east period. This fact did not change. We have no interest there. Let the best man win; with Putin’s help Assad will keep winning. It was a false flag.
The ordinary people of North Korea only know what they are told and I feel sorry for them when they find out that their country is not the center of world progress. After all, they have been to the sun! The change will be slow and difficult for them and some will never believe anything else.
Texan, doesn’t that scenario sound familiar?? I was looking the other day on deagle, out of 170 countries I did not see NK on the first three pages.
It’s surprising to still see people here supporting Trump.
All this war bravado is mistaken.
You Americans are being used to further the Zionists plans for The New World Order.
Off America goes again fighting winless wars for the Zionist bankers.
Your champion Trump is a Zionist puppet just like his predecessors.
If Kim Jong Un senses that he is doomed with no way out, he will take as many people with him as possible. This is someone who has killed his own family members in as cruel a way as possible. Launching his limited nuclear arsenal is likely. Offering him a way out that will save his life and ensure a good lifestyle might help to prevent a serious loss of life. Disgusting!
Sure China will bomb their nuke sites…
Not buying it.
Me neither. More psyops. When it absolutely positively has to be destroyed its always us
doing the damage.
There’ red line on the Canadian border, too.
However, the only ones observing it are the moose and the beaver. But if neither the Oilers, Habs or Maple Laffs make it to the Stanley Cup, PREPARE FOR INVASION!!!
I think we should air drop a couple million Happy Meals on the Norks along with a note inside; “Kill your leader and we’ll send more food tomorrow.”
Hey Fat Boy: “Resistance is Futile”.
Be careful. China has a way of saying one thing and doing something else. They give the appearance of cooperating with the U.S. now. But, will they? They still aren’t going to give up the territorial claims over the South China Sea. It seems funny that all of these countries bigger than the U.S. just gives up any ambitions they pursue, after a few hours of talking to one of our ambassadors. The U.S. just can’t fight over half of the Earth’s countries at once. We just don’t have the personnel and resources to do it. This war will be so big that it will cut our male population in half or more in a few months. China has more than enough people who will survive a war. Also, a war that lasts over time will start to deplete the resources that the American people will need to live normal lives. Rationing will start.
So China handles Korea, gets to keep selling cheap shit to US with a small tax. Better than nothing. Buy American. If we don’t, we’re screwed. A little China product keeps China happy and off our back. The more we do for ourselves, China will adjust to creating products for their own people and not need to dump garbage on US, hopefully.
__ “All is well that ends well”.
You will see a decapitation which will be allowed by China simply because it will do two things. 1) The U.S. will do the dirty work. 2) It will create a power vacuum that China wants to fill. As happened in Iraq the power vacuum will be filled with a far more dangerous and powerful adversary. South Korea will be facing an army that is exponentially larger than North Korea’s, and as advanced as our own. Our elimination of the North Korean government will allow China to expand its power as it is doing throughout the region. Ahhh…… How smart the Chinese are. Was this their plan all along?
They’ll take out his nuke capabilities, and then keep him on a short leash. Gheeze, everyone has such active immaginations!
I have a feeling this is another American geopolitical pump-and-dump. Blow up the North Korean threat, make out its leader is the next Hitler, and then completely obliterate them. We saw it in Panama – remember all those pictures of their twerp dictator showing his puny biceps? – or with Saddam – “he has 2 million elite Republican Guards!!” screamed CNN – and now we have the ‘Hermit Kingdom’. North Korea is fundamentally something to feel sad for, not fear. They are half starved, wandering around in clothing from the 1950s, and have only ever threatened others when we have threatened them by flying B-52s around their borders once a year.
I am particularly concerned for the beautiful women who will get killed in this attack. In a world becoming over-run with ugly women from some of the lower IQ races, do we really need to kill off so many beautiful women from one of the higher IQ races? Humanity needs to think of who it is putting at risk: kill off Asians and whites and leave Africans to be the last standing on the planet? That does not sound too smart to me.
I remember how we dropped MREs and radios into Afghanistan to feed and inform them, some wooden gliders loaded with the same thing will go a long way to shaking the foundation of NK so the little Punk takes himself to the woodshed, and sets it on fire.
I am more concerned many of the NK military leadership will turn out to be the biggest threat, so if China does indeed put things into a perspective, I hope they do it in as decisive a manner as possible, and that the trials of those they have to round up for any resistive actions will be played out LIVE, them put the Executions on Pay per view to let the world know they need to pay heed to REALITY!.
As for the Navy Carrier Battle groups, should they need to fire anything, I feel it will be to shoot down as many of the missiles as can be targeted, 90-95% of them before they get to 1,000 ft. the remainder will not get to 2,500 ft. What we need to be worried about here in the U.S.A. will be the old rusted, near sinking fishing trawlers they have in our waters the Obunghole said they can, Those are the real danger, each loaded with a super sized dirty bomb that will be set off remotely using the wind to carry the poison deep inside, Subs are not the only thing the Navy-Coast Guard have to stay on top of.
PS, as for the fish, who wants to bet most has been sold to our markets to keep the waters just a tad bit oily so the (epa) has something else to bitch about,?.
this is rubbish and fake report. Fault flash.