Biden to China: “You ARE national affairs”

by | Aug 19, 2011 | Headline News | 157 comments

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    Well known comedian and Vice President of the United States Joe Biden, on a good will trip to the world’s largest creditor, joins his Chinese counterpart this week  in an effort to build positive relations and quell any suggestion that the US may default on its debt.

    While it is rarely ever discussed in public, and often downplayed as a non-issue, we can be wholly assured by Vice President Biden’s recent exchange with Chinese VP Xi Jinping that China, our national debt and game theory surrounding it is the talk of the Treasury and administration behind closed doors:

    On Thursday, China’s vice president and likely leader-in-waiting, Xi Jinping, met Biden at the Great Hall of the People.

    “Good to see you again,” Xi said. “I know you are very busy with national affairs at home.

    You ARE national affairs,” Biden told his counterpart from the United States’ largest creditor.

    While we spend trillions of dollars on projects like President Obama’s health care overhaul, so-called jobs initiatives, funding mechanisms for too-big-to-fail institutions, and a host of other programs, Mr. Biden’s suggestion that China is the key national concern is very telling.

    In front of the mainstream public the Obama administration has worked very hard to make sure our perception of the progressively rising national debt is one of indifference and unconcern. In a recent interview, chief borrower Tim Geithner downplayed any possibility that the US may be close to maxing out the credit card:

    Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said he’s not concerned China will stop purchases of Treasuries…

    “They’ve been very strong and I’m sure they’ll be strong investors in the U.S. going forward,” he said today, according to the transcript of an interview with NBC television. “I’m very confident in that.”

    Mr. Geithner, who was also extremely confident in April of 2011, said at the time that there was “no risk” that the United States would lose its Triple ‘A’ credit rating. We know how that prediction went.

    Obviously, what is released as our official position and policy publicly is much different than what is actually the case behind the scenes.

    Within this context, Vice President Biden’s comments to the Chinese VP should be a warning sign of how serious of a situation this is.

    While we’re not suggesting that China will outright stop purchasing US Treasuries in the immediate future (though, you never know), it’s clear that the Chinese are already moving to diversify their $3 Trillion US debt holdings (yes, it’s $3 trillion not $1T as is broadly reported) on worries that the US will continue to exponentially increase national debt, inflate the monetary supply, and recklessly mismanage government spending.

    The Chinese know that they will never be repaid and any informed American knows this to be true, as well. China is the “national affair” not because we ever have any intention of making good on our debt, but because the administration, Treasury and The Fed are trying to figure out how to keep the credit extensions coming through Chinese treasury purchases.

    Our government has no intention of changing anything; the machinations of the last three years should make this crystal clear. All we are concerned with at this point is extracting as much money from the Chinese, Russians and other creditors as possible so that we can continue to kick the can down the road.

    This will, of course, end very badly. The U.S. will be left with two choices: either default, or print the debt away. Does anyone think the Chinese don’t know how this story will play out?

    That being said, contrary to the opinion of many other analysts and pundits, we suggest that China will eventually pull the plug. They, too, are war gaming these scenarios. It is likely the Chinese are biding their time, waiting for the perfect opportunity to strike:

    To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

    -Sun Tzu
    The Art of War

    Do not mistake their (or Russia’s) willingness to lend us billions upon billions of dollars as friendship, because as Sun Tzu said, “all warfare is based on deception.”

    We fully realize that the minute China decides to take the US off life support their economy will completely collapse, as will the economies of the rest of the world. But the Chinese are not short-term global players – they never have been. They strategize over periods of decades and generations, which means that ten or twenty years of economic strife would likely be an acceptable result if they can permanently crush the economy of the world’s current and only “super power.”

    As communists the Chinese are staunch believers in peace. But, peace as defined by a communist, means that all other nations must also be communist. This is war, and it is our belief that the Chinese are fully prepared to sacrifice their existing economy to ensure “peace” for years to come.

    The next Great War, as forecast by the likes of Gerald Celente, is happening before our eyes. No missiles have been fired yet, as the battlefield exists in financial markets, monetary policy, geographic resource acquisition and psychological programming of the populace of both our countries.

    But, we would be remiss if we failed to point out that debt collapses have, throughout history (i.e. Rome, collapse of the South’s economy circa 1860, Europe in the 1930’s) led to widespread military conflict.

    Perhaps the recent meeting of East vs. West on a Chinese basketball court while Mr. Biden was in-country is but an omen of things to come.


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      1. They’ve been a national affair since BJ Clinton let Toshiba sell them missile targeting technology that reagan and bush sr refused them. It only let’s them go from scud status to being able to hit things like cities with ICBM’s… one in MSM or Newts congress ever said much about it.

        I thought Biden went for the Chinese Porn conference?

        • Biden was using his the art of war tactics, but Sun Tzu said:

          This is called, using the conquered foe to augment one’s own strength.

          All warfare is based on deception.

          There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.

          It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.

        • You don’t know what you’re talking about Jim.

        • Toshiba sold milling equipment to the Soviet Union in the 80s that allowed the Soviets to make their subs quieter.

          I have not, will I ever, buy anything from Toshiba. They suck.

          • “nor” will I ever.

            Have to lay off the bourbon tonight. I hate typos.

          • Correctomoondoe & non-cavitating.

      2. Biden is the village Idiot. My poodle could od a better job.

        • He’s not nicknamed “Slow Joe” for nothing.

        • No, biden is one heartbeat away from being the village idiot…

        • Hopefully your poodle checks for spelling mistakes

          • U no whn som1 brngs spelln n2 it, thay hav natta.

      3. I would greatly love to slap that grin off his arrogant face, sorry, sorry human being, leader g.m.a.f.b. Hell has a special reserve for these corrupt politicians!

      4. I see a lot of little girls putting out some hay makers on the court. The Chinese are very smart but they have “a few” people to feed. It will be very interesting to see their aircraft carrier go operational.

        • …and I’ll bet my paycheck that won’t be their only aircraft carrier. In time, they will have a fleet just like ours. Only they don’t have to borrow from us to maintain them.

          • Yeah, and now that Russia is making Raptor clones they will sell them to China, who will then use their analysis of the Pakistan chopper (Commanche?) crash to layer them with steal technology; then they will have something to start filling those carriers with.

          • I bet they already have them. Hidden in plain view, disguised as massive cargo ships or something. They are there somewhere! You can be assured of that. Americans show there toys off ….. China tend to hide them away till the need to make a point … To us

      5. Well, from all I’ve read, if any other major holder of US Treasuries, like say Japan, decides to unload, it will be enough to capsize the boat! And that’s what Japan is reportedly considering. Soooo, It’s not just the 800 lb gorilla we have to watch out for!

        • We are, roughly speaking, 25% of the world’s economy. If we go down, everyone goes down.

          Japan has a higher debt to GDP ratio than we do. They’ve been royally screwed by their politicians too.

          China is full of corrupt communist bastards. They’ve got an estimated $500 billion in bad loans on their books. And they’ve got a ton of ‘unrest’ in the western provinces that haven’t shared in their little capitalist miracle along the coastlines. Ton of Muslims out west too making trouble for them. Oh, and they have very few girls to procreate with. They’re actually abducting women from North Korea and selling them into marriage. Very few environmental laws on the books have led to an ecological disaster as well. Tons of smog over their cities and ‘dead’ rivers. Don’t worry about China taking us over; their politicians are f*cking their populace over too.

          Time for a bourbon.

          Happy thoughts,

          • Ok,that just gets me thinkin’. Maybe I’m crazy (well, THAT’S a foregone conclusion), but I think we can all agree that their people aren’t really stupid. I think we can all agree OUR people aren’t really stupid. SOOOO, they are obviously BOTH doing this on purpose.

            What does a redneck who’s about to get his mobile home repo’ed do? HE TRASHES THE HELL OUT OF IT!

            Now, who’s repo’ing our planet? After all, these people are raping each and every country in the world. Stripping it bare, really. Getting everything of any value they can out of it. So, why are they doing this?

            Well, don’t look at me. Go find your own answer. I’m just here to bring the questions…

            • I think we’re going to disagree on the intelligence of our average politician. Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House, and I’m pretty sure her IQ doesn’t crack 100.


          • The chinease must be some dumb dam people to keep buying US treasuries, we are going to sink them in their track when the bubble busts and their people are starving in the streets. Obammy is laughing his ars off at them right now….

          • Hell, I’ll drink to that.

      6. The Chinese have built entire cities with nobody to put in them, yet. A Chinese General said publicly that they fully expect to have some of their existing cities destroyed, so they wanted cities available for the survivors. What do the Chinese know? When will the government that runs D.C. let us in on the secret?

        • Ummmm… If hard buildings made of concrete are destroyed, don’t you think soft human flesh will suffer too? Me thinks there’s a flaw in the Chinese general’s plan…

          What really happened is that they had their own little real estate bubble and they over built. Booo hooooooooo.

          Hey, did our basketball players win that fight? Maybe we can fight them in hockey next? We’d beat the shit out of them in a hockey rink!!!

          Am I off topic? Oh well, it’s Friday…

      7. its a sales pitch… more of our debt or we will collapse…..or it might be a promise

      8. Its ok if the Chinese stop buying Treasuries (but they won’t) because it would collapse the dollar to nothing meaning the trillion or so dollars they hold would be worthless, Americans could no longer purchase Chinese goods, and the hundreds and hundreds of billions of RmB which WE hold (possibly trillions) would be worth lots and lots of … ???

        Well never mind that, WE still have 9,300 tons of gold, while they only have a few hundred ton of gold. Per capita that is quite a difference.

        Folks, don’t expect China to stop buying treasuries when they buy a billion dollars every day to suppress the value of their own currency.

        Japan? Not gonna happen either folks. But hey get use to inflation some analysts I read say its 7% across the board now; not including food or fuel.

        No hyperinflation. Inflation by a thousand cuts. And that is better than a deflationary spiral. Buy a metal detector while they are still cheap.

        • I meant including food and fuel. Sorry.

          • I love you DK. I love reading your posts, but when it comes to China, you’re wrong. If they stop buying US Treasuries, and collapse the western world economy (along with their own, they come out WINNERS.

            They don’t give a damn about their export market. These people don’t think in terms of years, or tens of years. It’s the worlds’ oldest civilization. Thousands of years, millions of lives gleefully sacrificed…..Start thinking in THOSE terms……

            • Jonny V: I’m sorry Jonny, I am not that kind of guy! 🙂

              Hey Bud! Didn’t you get the message? “Wealth is glorious!” Look JV, China is not a Third World country any more. Its highly sophisticated.

              Yes they could come out winners, but the CCP could also be swept from power in a collapse. Remember the Cultural Revolution that took many tens of millions of lives, including many in power? What is the most important thing for people in power?

              The CCP is under considerable internal pressures just like every other nation in the world where the PTB have not shared enough of the wealth with the general population. ie Israel

              If China quits buying Treasuries, Uncle Ben just LOANS another $16 trillion dollars or $24 trillion to our allies at .015% so that they can buy US Bonds at 2.0% and make the spread.

              Its an ARBITRAGE which is why WE don’t have double digit inflation today. All the money remained in the banks. Only Black Sheep had an inkling into the ARBITRAGE when I asked Clark to explain it, because Clark has been preaching hyper-inflation and flawed Keynesian theory.

              I do not advocate Keynesian theory but when you consider that Uncle Ben has printed $18 trillion in the past 2.5 years and there is no hyperinflation, and in fact WE may be facing another “contraction” if consumer psychology does not change, it appears as if the theory works. At least for now.

              Money is printed from thin air. It is loaned to OUR friends and allies. It is an asset for the FED. It is a debt for our friends, but they leverage that loan by buying US bonds and make the spread as profit.

              The spread protects their liquidity, strengthens their balance sheets, and boosts their stock price in the case of multinational corporations. It is also the case for the banks, but the multinationals can also leverage that profit by investing in new capacity.

              It is the perfect ponzi scheme because the new money printed doesn’t actually enter the economy and trickle down to the people except through jobs that might be created by these corps developing real assets like mines or manufacturing facilities, etc. And the “Investor” ie the FED, never asks for its money back. See?

              That’s why it is the perfect ponzi scheme. Most ponzi schemes unravel when an investor wants out. The FED is the lender and the investor of last resort. It never needs it money back, it can always print more! And that Jonny V is why Uncle Ben has a smirk on his face every time he testifies before Congress: they do not understand banking.

              WE do not need China. China needs US. OUR wealth is being transferred to China. We have also transferred enough wealth to China for them to stand on their own and compete fairly. A manipulation of their currency to the tune of 20% and a tariff of 25% is not a level playing field.

              Its time to pull the plug on China and that is in process. We will inflate OUR way out of this, the dollar will decline in purchasing power, the RmB will rise, and jobs will be returned to the US.

              Why produce a sweatshirt in China that is going to cost $12 dollars when you can manufacture it is Alabama or Mississippi for $8 – $10.

              The Chinese will play by the rules of our GB’s or We can take OUR ball and go home. China is not making ANY friends on its rise to economic and military power.

              Goldman Sachs is running the world and the Chinese know it. They will go along to get along because GS has made the CCP and their kids the financial elite in China.

              Another explanation like that and I will have to start billing you for my time! 🙂

        • Did you say we have 9300 tons of gold? Pretty sure RP set that straight with the FEDy not to long ago.

          About a minute and a half in. Sorry buddy,

          If you are speaking of somewhere else, please fill us in.

          • Francis: The FED does not own any gold. The FED is a private corporation. US gold is held by the United States Treasury.

            • Okay, your right. So when was the last audit of said UST?

              Seems like RP has been trying to get that info from them for some time now, to no prevail.

              Do you trust that the gold is there? Just asking.

            • Francis; Hard to say if the gold is there or not. I think so. Once Nixon took US off the gold standard there wasn’t much use for it.

              And Nixon took US off the gold standard because France was converting its Greenbacks to gold while we were transferring wealth to them like We are to China to rebuild France after WWII.

              Having said that, I believe We should have a serious audit of that gold with random samples drilled deep for testing.

              Trust but verify … to coin a phrase. 🙂

      9. All China needs is a black swan event such as a real estate collapse and they will cash in all their chips and we are screwed.

      10. Biden to China: “You ARE national affairs”

        This only shows how spineless and Subservient our government (the Obama administration) has become to China!

        • It’s every administration, not just this one.

          • Jonny V:

            Yeah Jonny your right on that, screwed up huh!

        • BF: Biden was just lubricating the Chinese prior to giving them the green weenie. Its coming!

      11. Every day is opposite day with Timmy G and Benny B. Is gold money? No. Any chance the US will lose its AAA credit rating? No. Any chance China will stop buying our treasury bonds? No.

        Anyone see a pattern here? They are clearly trying to send a message to those who are smart enough to decipher the code. They’re saying “do the opposite of what I say”. If you are too stupid to hear what they are really saying, then you are too stupid to protect your wealth. It’s as simple as that.

        • Schaef: I see the pattern of lies from our government, but these lies are nothing new. Lets just look at financial reality…..

          If China stops buying US treasuries, or Euro bonds for that matter, then who buys Chinese manufacturing production? Europe? Don’t make me laugh, they are in just as bad as shape as WE are, if not worse.

          The Chinese cannot afford to NOT buy US Treasuries. Its in their best financial interest. What alternative do they have?

          Sure its a house of cards and a paper chase but they are using the wealth that WE are transferring to them in that way to buy real assets all over the world.

          The gangster banksters are integrating China everywhere to dominate the world through China.

          After all “wealth is glorious” and that process is working for China and the Globalists. Why would it end? And what would replace it? And when?

          For the foreseeable future its a three handed game of Three Card Monte. Inflation by a thousand cuts as China begins to export its inflation and the dollar declines in value as planned.

          If you have any ideas, I would like to hear them. By the way, what happened to your site?

        • The fact that these questions are even being asked should scare the daylights out of us.

          Keep stacking and stocking guys!

      12. This clown is the supreme dc (district of clowns or criminals) idiot. What a national embrassment. To think next to the imposter from kenya who is a closet muslim, this POS is next in line if something happened to the number 1 world embrassment. I wish we could somehow get the average fool that votes for these idiots to get away from the tv and study what they say and do. Perhaps in private he shows the Chinese masters why he is called Joe Biteme.

        • The reason no one (so far) has taken out O’fkstick is because we would be left with someone equally as bad (maybe worse, depending on your POV) – his running mate.
          Reminds me of one of the last Carson episodes, when Johnny had Robin Williams on as a guest. Carson asked Williams what he thought of Bush 41. RW’s response was classic Robin Williams, where he slammed Quayle with this parody where he (Williams) pretended to be a deranged sniper that was pondering taking out Bush, then backed off when he realized that he would be stuck with Quayle as a result of his actions. Link below takes you to that episode.

      13. Joe Biden is a moronic idiot. And so are the fools who hired him & obama.

      14. Mac hit it heads on with the statement about (paraphrasing) “we go down, you go down”. IMHO, we have some time (and time to prep!). This won’t be an overnight collapse, but a continual steady decline (of the dollar) with a continual rise of unemployment to the point where government revenue (taxable income) will shrink more and more. At that point, (5yrs, 10yrs?), the US gov’t will have no choice but to default and declare force majeure. That is when the SHTF to the point of “if you aren’t prepared by now, you will die.”

        The determining factor of how severe this will be is how quickly we can make the change to something backed by gold or other PM. For a country this size with a culture that is so used to its privileges and lifestyles, that period in between will rip us apart. Panic will ensue no matter how short/long the interim is but I can picture complete societal breakdown if it takes any longer than a month.

        The question is, what country or countries outside of the US will help and what countries outside the US will take advantage of our situation. What side will China be on?

      15. One must be nice to those that own us while playing the game of poker. We should have invited them here to speak with Mr. Trump. They would respect us more. They send some of their brightest to complete their Grad classes and PhD’s here and we open up fast food drive throughs over there. Who do you think will win? Don’t buy any fake morgan’s.

      16. Does anybody really care what these idiots say anymore?
        It’s all a show to deflect attention away from the banks.

        Rothschild is a majority shareholder in the new Chinese precious metals exchange.

        Kill that family, and I mean every known member of the bloodline, along with Rockefellers and the other FED stockholders and their bloodlines, and take back what they have stolen, and return it to the people.

        If the corporate military can find Saddam in a hole, they can find the Rothschild and Rockefellar A holes.

        Maybe when the military begins to serve the people and take care of these problems they will garner the respect from the people they think they deserve. Til then, they are in corporate servitude voluntarily, and every action is against the People. They commit treason immediately upon signing up and taking the oath.

        Same goes for every other corp officer, even if they say they stand against it.

        • The only words….That I care to hear from any of these Socialist fuck’s say is, “O~God….NO!!!!” before they get there lights turned out! You know cause they did not pay their bills.. SCREW THEM!!!!!!!!

        • I thought the CnC and Congress told the military (JCS) what to do?

        • GC, exactly!

      17. China might maintain their dollar value worth of treasuries, but you can bet that they will convert all extra dollars to non-USTreasuries.

        Japan has been making noise about selling their treasuries outside the country. They want to hold our treasuries as pseudo-backing for the yen.

        To put things in perspective, forget treasuries as a term-based debts and consider it like dividend-paying stock. Think P/E ratios. If China is getting paid a nice dividend every year and the monies invested came from the US anyway, coupled with the US will never default, toss in the natural distrust party members have toward each other (same as in Congress), means parking gov’t money in US Treasuries makes it safe and appear to be responsible to the proles.

        Sell a stock that has always paid dividends? Don’t be a fool. My grand-children will thank me when they inherit it.

        From the other-side:
        Ah, crap! They still won’t sell their stock in this buy-back. Bastards are gonna vote their stock at the next stock-holders meeting. We’re gonna have to go along with them and their demands aren’t too steep. At least they go along with us most of the time. Maybe they’ll buy some more from other trouble-makers. The small investors will have to grin and bear it.

        Biden told the truth. Such conduct from an elected official. The Senate won’t like it.

      18. Part 2 in the stock/board storyline:

        The reason I won’t sell the stock is the price would collapse before I could unload it. I sell a few at a time and buy one or two on a dip. Buy more? No, a responsible investor tries to develop the best diversified portfolio possible. And as the eldest, it is my fiduciary responsibility to the family to maximize profitability and reduce the risk component.

        Whew, dodged the bullet at the stock-holders meeting again. Wasn’t that bad at all with the help of the Chinese. Told ya, we play ball and they play ball. Give and take. And they are right, the US standard of living is grossly higher than theirs. Don’t forget, we get to blame one another in diplomatic way.

      19. A Chinese joke.

        There is this captain in a some merchandise ship. As soon as he takes in charge he calls his 2nd.
        – How do you satisfy your needs here in terms of women?
        – Women? Here? You know sir it’s forbitten. But if you feel kinda “weird”, you can do it with the Chinese cook.
        – The Chinese cook? No way man i’m doing that. Who do you think i am?
        But after a couple of months in the sea, the captain starts to feel a bit “weird”. So he calls his 2nd again.
        – Listen, if i do it with the Chinese cook is there any danger for this to spread around and make a fool out of me?
        – No sir. Just say when and all seven of us will have our mouths shut.
        – Seven? What do you mean? Seven people?
        – Of course, It’s you, me, and the Chinese cook.
        – Yes but these are three people.
        – Don’t you forget the four who will hold the cook?

        Be safe guys.

        • Hell! Hahahhahaaaahaha! 🙂

          There was a merchant ship cough in a very bad storm at sea. The ships engines gave out and the ship started listing and taking on water. In all the panic only one lifeboat and its four crew survived off the merchant ship that went down at sea. The four survivors crew members were… one German, one China man, one White boy from Alabama and Barack Obama …After three days at sea the small boat started to take on water. So each surviving member of the merchant ship decided to throw a few extra items that they grabbed before they jumped in the lifeboat. The China man threw over a few bags of rice, and said “there I have lightened the load all I can!” The German grabbed a few bottles of very good vodka and threw them over board and said “there I have lightened the boat all I can!” The boy from Alabama grabbed Barack Obama and threw him overboard and said..” there are plenty of these where I come from!” 🙂

          • Should have been (surviving crew members)

          • Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 🙂

            Thanks, i love it. I will make a couple of changes and pass it over. Here in Greece we have a lot of Pakistanis.

            Good morning and have a nice weekend.


            • Manos, I’m glad you liked the joke! 🙂

              Hell yeah! keep it rolling!!!

      20. If you or I attempted to run our personal family finances the way that the US Federal Government runs the financial affairs of our country …… we would be in jail waiting trial on so many credit card fraud and bad check charges that we would have to be looking at life without possibility of parole if convicted.

        What would or could China do to the United States if we declared Chapter 7 Bankruptcy on ALL of our national debt owed to anyone?

        I mean, like would they send the ‘Repo-man’ after us or something?

        Yes, they would grab all the US owned property in foreign countries all over the world. But, isn’t this property owned by the very same assholes who shipped all our American Jobs overseas to be done by some poor bastard in a foreign country for three fish-heads and a small bowl of rice a day? I personally don’t feel real sorry for them when I think about the great disservice that they did the American Working Man & Woman, as well as our country, when they moved our jobs overseas. For what? Greed. For a few more bucks in their back pocket.

        But after that, couldn’t we bring all our troops home from wherever the hell and gone they are, start minding our own business and begin building back the great American Manufacturing Infrastructure that once was? If we gave the entire world, and especially the UN, the dreaded ‘finger’ and invited them all to “kiss our collective ass” and started to once again begin making everything that we consume, right here at home, all the stuff used to import but can no longer import because we’re ‘deadbeats’ and no other countries are willing to accept the US Dollar ……. wouldn’t we need a whole lot of people making shoes, weaving cloth, sewing clothes, making toys for children, electronics, furniture, etc. Hey, we would probably have dame near full employment once again!

        Anyone else out there crazy enough to want to consider the ‘the-Chapter-Seven-Option’??? I really don’t have a ‘stake’ at this table anyway. Who knows; it would for damn sure be interesting to see.

        God Bless and good luck to all.

      21. Part 3

        And ole “country” Joe Biden? Damn fool kid. Basically inherited his way on to the board. Ain’t got the common sense to think that “what he blurts out” can seriously affect the board.


        Please, the suspense is killing me. I feel like I’m at a mystery party. I know it is Uncle Sam in his own country. Just give me a clue as to who, what or when?

      22. has anyone stopped to think that if we bring home all of our troops, then half of our GDP will vanish? We don’t produce anything else. What will the troops do? Work for McDonalds?

        • Build water towers, pipelines, pumps to collect rains from the states flooding to send to states with droughts.


          Why hasn’t anyone thought of this??

          • It’s not economically viable. What they could do on the coast of Georgia is build a nuclear power plant, use sea water to cool it, and in the process desalinate large amounts of water. But that’s usually supplied to cities and not put in rivers for agricultural use.

          • JJ,

            That might be a good idea. Libya was completing a 26-year project to build a 2,000 mile network to move water from Southern Libya to the north.

            But instead of creating a pipe line, we are bombing one. They are using an underground aquifers so it might be depleted like the Ogallala aquifer in the great plains.

            The depletion of the Ogallala has compounded the drought in western Texas as the water table has dropped. Perhaps we could do the same thing but to fill the Ogallala.

            “Low Plains Perspective”

          • i like that! jj you have had an epiphany..the light bulb has come on…bless you…there just are not enough folks having such good ideas these days.

        • The military COSTS billions. It doesn’t produce anything. It would be good if the troops came home and we stopped spending billion on wars that won’t be won.

          • Bill S.

            I think the military played a part in the genesis of the internet via the ARPANET project and the computer. As well as Digital photography, night vision, satellite technology and GPS.

            The Brits military invented RADAR to track aircraft and they invented Jet Engines (Germany as well).

            Due to injuries on the battle field, many medical advances have been discovered like anesthesia.

            The military wastes a lot of money but it does produce things that benefit us. I agree we should bring the troops home. It’s sad to see all the signs that read “I MISS MY DADDY/MOMMY” up on garages out side military bases.

            “Low Plains Perspective”

          • agreed
            and put them all into production jobs , bringing this nation back on its feet..

            no imports once were close to standing on our own 2 feet.

            bring back America , and stay the hell home and let other counntries tear themselfs apart if they want.

            its up to that countries sheeple to get it..But right now ..Its time for this countries sheeple to GET with IT!

        • well, the government is now spending money to try to convince us that food stamps and undemployment checks are jobs…they bring everyone home from overseas and then they would have a few million more “jobs” to brag about. 2012 and election time just cannot come fast enough.

      23. And now you know why, ladies and gentlemen, that the democrats use the jackass as their mascot. It fits ol’ Joeby- one- Canoby, a pure, unadulterated, dyed-in- the wool JACKASS. He’s so unseemingly that he just can’t help himself. But alas, there is little consolation that the other party (the rescrubs) offer any greater hope. It certainly is a goddamn shame. JM2CW, YMMV. Good evening to you all.

        • LMAO!!! 🙂

      24. The story of the basketball game didn’t really interest me until I watched the whole video. Our team asked for and were denied an escort out. The fans were less than welcoming at the end, I’d say there was a definite anti-American mood. And btw? gotta agree, Biden is a putz.

      25. Hey everybody! I got this in the mail from a friend who credits it to Donald Trump and just had to pass it along:

        “Let me get this straight . . .

        We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people,
        without adding a single new doctor,but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare,
        all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,
        and financed by a country that’s broke!!!!!

        What the hell could possibly go wrong?”

        I know it is a bit off topic and not relevent today considering recent Court decisions, but I thought it was priceless!

        • Well said! I agree…priceless!

        • I don’t know where it was that I saw it, but someone wrote that “for Nancy Pelosi, the healthcare bill was like taking a crap. She had to pass it first before she knew what was in it”.

      26. China is obviously not a friend of the US but we haven’t seen a lot of hostile actions from them either. We don’t really know what China’s territorial ambitions are, if any. They could’ve conquered Taiwan by now without any interference by the Obama administration. They haven’t been starting or funding communist movements in other parts of the world like the Soviet Union did until the end of the 1980s. We know that they’ve been sharing technology with countries hostile to the US like Iran and North Korea. I think China sees a future where they can fund America’s debt as long as they can before they pull the plug. The longer they wait the more severe the damage to the US. They can become the world’s lone superpower without firing a shot. It will cost them trillions of dollars but without confronting America’s formidable military capabilities.

        • Bill S: Good points all, and with the CCP in bed with the GB’s they are partners in everything, everywhere. Why destroy your wealth infrastructure no matter where it is located in the world?

          I suspect that Chinese territorial ambitions would include Mongolia and Siberia, both empty of people but full of natural resources. Thats why We don’t have to worry about an invasion.

          Besides, Taiwan may secretly have developed nuclear weapons long ago to complement their civilian program as the US Air Force sent them nuclear triggers “accidently” to be copied.

        • China’s screwed too, no social welfare, no exports no jobs, shitty wages, astronomical housing prices; it is only a matter of time before the masses explode my friend! Sorry to sound harsh but the avg person here is treated like a slave and are one major health problem from being bankrupt… the avg person is just scrapping by and when u’re broke, lose ur job and inflation hits… lights out China!

      27. Consider this, the congress is required by the constitution to be the only ones to write the laws. If congress didn’t read the law before the vote, then who the hell wrote it? Answer: the Lobbyists.

        • Captain Wong is wight evwy time! Wabbits.

      28. This is called the “Long Emergency”.
        It is like a huge game of musical chairs now.
        Everytime the music stops some gets F&$@!d.
        The music just stopped and will again in about 2013-2014.
        The deal is there are not many chairs left and someones gonna not
        get one and start shooting then TSHFT


      29. Repeat after me!

        #10 cans, crisp $10 bills
        #10 cans, crisp $10 bills

        Biden — Oh my — life is
        hard and it’s even harder
        when you’re stupid.

        Lemmeeseenow, where was I?
        Oh, yea

        #10 cans, crisp $10 bills
        #10 cans, crisp $10 bills


        • Mushroom:

          After reading this article, will you consider a few #10 cans of 1000 Yuan notes?

          Please consider,

          • Repeat after me!

            #10 cans, crisp $10 bills
            #10 cans, crisp $10 bills

            Nope, no Yuan, but I will
            consider 1 oz or 5 oz Pandas…

            Lemmeeseenow, where was I?
            Oh, yea

            #10 cans, crisp $10 bills
            #10 cans, crisp $10 bills


        • KY Mom,
          The Endtime Ministries actually has a TV show on every Monday night about 8:00 Mountain time – I believe on the Church Channel. Some pretty interesting stuff on their programs…

        • KY Mom, I can answer your question without looking at the site. The answer is no. The USA is not refereed to in any part that talks about end times nor in the Book of Revelation. Apparently we will no longer exist at that time.

          • Correct, the United States is not mentioned anywhere during end time prophecy, also the gentlemen giving the presentation has put out a dvd stating 3 billion would die, he prophesied this in 2009, it never happened, don’t trust a whole lot this man spouts!

      30. That was a good brawl at the East-West game. They must be watching to many WWF reruns in China. Did I see someone grab a chair and use it?

        I think Georgetown would like to host a rematch in DC.

        “Low Plains Perspective”

        • That’s funny! Thanks little guy but gun play would come about in DC. Not the legal kind…

      31. We should all start learning Mandarin now!

      32. All I have to leave you folks with on this one is..

        China is Prepping too..

        think about that.

      33. Many US Senators and their families have made a lot of money from trading with China. Both parties. You have no representation and no matter who you vote for you aren’t going to get any. You have already lost your country and you won’t get it back at the ballot box. The bad guys control the electoral process. Accept it. Now come up with a plan to change that. Voting only gives legitimacy to the system that steals from you. By taking part in the process you are saying the government is legit. Where does that leave you in the debate? Restore Original Intent any way you can. Restore the demographic integrity of your country any way you can. Fail at either one and you lose the future of your people. The Obamas of the world will write your history.

        • Omega Man: WE will have new representation. The American people are smarter and more resilient than you give US credit for. The PTB have overstepped their bounds and gotten ahead of themselves. The “gradualism” by which they were slowing enslaving US has been exposed.

          Americans are awake. Americans are aware. WE are taking back OUR country from the Globalists in office, election by election. November 2010 was a turning point. November 2012 will blow the globalists away and they will be replaced by Patriots.

          The American government is legitimate. In America, WE The People are the government, but We have been lax and too preoccupied with OUR own pursuit of happiness to realize that OUR elected officials have been serving themselves rather than the electorate. That’s over. A new, American Revolution has begun. Stand the fuck by.

          Americans have embraced their Constitution in a new and fundamental way. The future of America is assured and time will prove it out. You are just another fucking foreigner trying to use this site to spread your propaganda to discourage, dishearten, and disengage Americans from their heritage.

          It won’t work. WE got your number now.

      34. VRF: Great, that will give Clark, someone to practice his “garage sale economics” with. the problem he will discover is that whatever product he has to trade they will want 1.5 of it for every one of their own in trade.

        I call that a tariff. Clark calls it free trade and open markets.

      35. Biden at his best, giving head to the Chinese.

      36. Joe Bin Laden ?
        This guy is suck and stupid. Obama kissed Hu’s ass by treating him state dinner.
        Joe Biden is a dump pig. China is an ugliest communism in the world.

      37. china just de-pegged the yaun from the dollar. It’s floating free and rising. the yen is also rising against the dollar. the BRIC nations have made private trade agreements to use thier own currencies.
        They are distancing themselves. So, yes they will stop buying us debt and they will isolate themselves as best they can from the coming collapse.

        The wild card is how our government will deal with other countries after the collapse. I expect them to declare a war. And this war will pit china and russia aganst the USA. And we will lose it.

      38. I don’t know if I speak for the rest of America or not….but I have this to say: I don’t understand all this and what the end result will be …… I feel like the blind leading the blind and I’ve never been so damn scared in my life….. Not only for my own future but also for my kids future!!! Thats all I have to say for now….except God bless America.

        • NJB: Yes, times are tough. When times are tough the tough get going. No need for fear. Why worry when you can pray? There is a lot of fear mongering out there and on these posts. Much of it is from foreigners who seek to discourage, and dishearten US, hoping that WE will disengage from OUR government and become Sheeple, putty in their hands to manipulate.

          It is propaganda.

          There is a battle here for OUR hearts and minds. Do not be swayed by these naysayers. Because they cannot succeed, because they look for excuses rather that solutions, they do not want US to achieve. When WE succeed it validates their failure and reveals their own inadequacy.

          If they can spread dissension and fear among US, cause confusion and make US doubt OURSELVES, and OUR special relationship as a nation with Nature’s God, then they have a chance to defeat US. Its classic Sun Tsu. WE know who they are by what they say.

          This era is a great time to be alive. WE have a great opportunity. The times require that We rediscover OUR heritage and renew the American Spirit. In retrospect WE will look back and see that this was the time when WE recaptured OUR heritage and again secured OUR rights and liberties under Nature’s God, for OURSELVES and for OUR children.

          The future of America is certain.

          WE have the power to control OUR destiny. That is OUR heritage as human beings and Americans. All WE need do is exercise OUR power, engage OUR government, take back OUR lives, acknowledge the grace of Divine Providence and honor Him once again, as WE do OUR part.

          Its that easy. Keep prepping.

      39. “Say it ain’t so Joe” is a popular phrase in Delaware. In reality Biden is quite the clown but is a breath of fresh air relative to others . Joe Biden has a difficult time keeping his mouth shut and the “lie link” between thought and speech often shorts out. Joe does not measure the impact of every word he says and because he makes that mistake listen carefully to him. He has what they call the, “Can’t help it’s”.

      40. Rachel: China has not “de-pegged” their currency. If the Chinese “de-pegged” their currency their economy would collapse, tens of millions of people would be in the street, making “tianimen square” look like a tupper ware party.

        The CCP would be tarred and feathered by the mob and it would make the Cultural revolution look tame by comparison.

        China has re-pegged their currency upward a bit because it is under pressure to explode upwards in value. It is under pressure because the Chinese manipulate their currency downward by more than 20% to subsidize their exporters. They suppress their currency by buying one billion US dollars every day in the currency markets.

        There will be no collapse, Rachel. WE already had the collapse. Its inflation by a thousand cuts to achieve currency parity and make America price competitive again.

        Sorry Sweetheart but you do not have a clue. get one. 🙂

        • no u’re wrong the US cannot print anymore money or do quantitive easing…even if they do the effect will negligeable just look what happened after qe1 and qe2, 1 month later after qe2 the market crashes and it is still crashing and now we have multiple countries crashing at the same time somewhat of a cascading effect… if they print money the other countries won’t have it and immediately dump the dollar, they already are.. plus if the gov prints more money us citizens will revolt, they won’t have it anymore they are sick and tired of it! Obama popularity is finally dropping like a rock! As for china it doesn’t really matter how long they peg the RMB, they will crash big time as the us europe are crashing now and japan have already crashed!Just look at the hong kong index which is a good indicator of how exports are doing in asia area.. first time in 2 years that the exports are contracting big time!!! bye bye world!!!! EXCITEMENT IN THE AIR!!!!


          • Jules: Sorry man, you have no understanding of the mechanisms that make the system work. Other countries, their corporations and their banks borrowed $16 trillion from US in the past 2.5 years.

            That’s the equivalent of 7 QE 1 & 2’s. Not even double digit inflation yet.

            Other countries dump the dollar? What a laugh! Really. Look at the facts. China buys one billion dollars of US currency every day in the currency markets. If they quit buying dollars their Rmb explodes upwards and NOBODY buys their products.

            Unemployment and depression hits China like a nuclear device as companies layoff workers. Their workers take to the street because they have never had a capitalist recession before. The party that ensues makes the Cultural Revolution tame by comparison.

            Multinationals look at the political unrest and move operations back to the US. Corporate heads are already planning and openly discussing that option as it is, because they realize that the RmB must move up in value anyway, and the advantage that they receive from cheap wages and a lower currency value for world export is going to disappear.

            Facilities in China will remain to serve Chinese domestic production.

            The PTB, read the GB’s headed by Goldman Sachs are already planning to move global exports from China to Turkey, Nigeria, and Egypt. lots of potential consumers there if they had paychecks.

            Jules, your propaganda is no substitute for reality.

            • China is screwed was exactly my point! it doesn’t matter how long they peg the dolloar!… no china is not buying up any more US debt check ur info..sure they bailing out the Euro and US for a short time but this is not susttainable and they have already stopped!
              and there are no way US multinationals are going back to the US… with obamacare and other high costs of running in the US…they never will!!! check ur info!

            • btw i’m not the one with the propaganda that is Mr. Obama saying that the economy is weakening and were going back in a recession…we were never out of the recession in the first place and things are much worse now than during the final crisis 3 years ago that is what happens when u kick the can down the road for 3 years and continue to screw up the system!!! Also 3 years ago there weren’t crisis happening all around the world it was mostly a us led crisis!

      41. The devil went down to DC
        He was lookin’ for a soul to steal
        He was in a bind, he was way behind
        And he was willing to make a deal

        When he heard this old man talking
        Running his mouth but not sayin’ squat
        The devil jumped up on a campaign stage
        And said man let me tell you what

        Now you talk a lot of trash there
        But give the devil his due
        I bet a bucket of gold against your soul
        Cause I think I’m better than you

        The man said my name’s Biden
        And it might not be right
        But I’ll take your bet, and you’re gonna regret
        Cause I can talk nonsense all night

        Joe Biden go grease up your tongue and spray your vocal chords
        You’ll have to tell some whoppers, else you’ll meet the devils hordes
        And if you win you get that bucket filled with shiny gold
        But if you lose the devil gets your soul

        The devil said I’ll start this show
        As he walked up on the stage
        Then he told some lies, and big alibis
        And his voice was filled with rage

        Ole Joe just sat there watching
        Til the devil was plumb worn out
        Then he loosened his tie, with a gleam in his eye
        And he leaped up with a shout

        He said my name’s Joe Biden
        I was the first man on the moon
        I invented the wheel, it was no big deal
        And I eat with a silver spoon

        I’m best friends with the queen of England
        But I’m still just a regular guy
        I got a Hollywood tan, I helped Superman
        Throw a freight train across the sky

        I started from humble beginnings
        Worked 25 hours a day
        Then I grew up quick, I was a first round pick
        In the WNBA

        The devil bowed his head
        And laid the bucket at Biden’s feet
        He said I thought that I, was a trash talkin’ guy
        But I know when I’ve been beat

        Biden just stood there grinning
        As the devil walked away
        Then said ‘He fell for my ruse, I got no soul to lose
        Last week I sold it on Ebay!’

        (repeat chorus)

        With extreme apologies to Charlie Daniels

        • That was great! I swear I could even hear the fiddlin’.

        • Nice! LMAO

      42. How big bucket oh Wise One Okie and where is DOW going? 2.2K or 20K? I have a soul & I don’t give a shit about DOW but that will tell me price of Au… Your best yet! Scratch an old flare for me next holiday (at homestead).

      43. Joke of the day!!!! 🙂

        During a commercial airline flight an Air Force Pilot was seated next to a young mother with a babe in arms. When the baby began crying during the descent for landing, the mother began nursing the infant as discreetly as possible.

        The pilot pretended not to notice and, upon disembarking, he gallantly offered his assistance to help with the various baby-related items.

        When the young mother expressed her gratitude, the pilot responded, “Gosh, that’s a good looking baby…and he sure was hungry!”

        Somewhat embarrassed, the mother explained that her pediatrician said that the time spent on the breast would help alleviate the pressure in the baby’s ears from altitude changes.

        The Air Force Pilot sadly shook his head, and in true pilot fashion exclaimed, “And all these years, I’ve been chewing gum.”

        • BAWAAAHAHAHA! Milk, it’s a natural!

        • Ha ha ha ha ha, You’re something else 🙂

          And since you started the airplane jokes here is one:

          There are two pilots talking during the flight. But unfortunatelly they have forgotten the loudspeakers turned on. So the conversation is as follows:

          -Hey, have you seen this new stewardess?
          -Yeah. What a piece eh?
          -How i wish she would come to bring us a coffee and give us a blowj…..

          But the conversation was heard all over the plane. So the stewardess runs from the back of the plane through the corridor in order to tell them to shut down the loudspeakers. While running, one of the passengers says:

          Hey miss, he asked for a coffee also.

          • Hahahahhahaaaaaaa!! LMAO 🙂

      44. The End Game is written…. The United States will implode!

        As the EU economy goes into a Depression and gets ripped to shreds and filters to the US, so goes the rest of the world economies. But due to the enormous debt that the EU and US has incurred, we will be the last ones to recover… and it will take decades!

        The Chinese are smart! They know what’s at stake, and like a chess game, they think long and hard and strategize their next move knowing that sacrifices will have to be made, but in the end, they will win and become the new super power. – ( Joe SixPack’s ego will get the better of him at that point and who knows how that’s going to go over).

        Everyone for themselves at this point, If you’re awake, do what you can NOW, it’s getting late! Time is of essence.

        People Prepare – we are seeing a great deflation period were everything will sell off – the governments will do what they have done in the past and inflate the world will fiat money and then we will see the collapse of the monetary system (Hyper-Inflation) by 2016 at the latest if we’re lucky!

        Uncharted Territory – this is not your normal down cycle – THIS IS GOING TO BE A WHOLE NEW WORLD! Get use to it! You have two choices – Suffer or Survive

        Good Luck and God Bless – we are in deep shit!!!

        • Man Up: Cut back on the caffine, my friend. Its bad, but it is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be, and it is not as dire as you suggest. Not by a long shot.

          Its all part of the PLAN by the Gb’s to lower the value of the dollar and achieve a measure of currency parity with China.

          When O’Bummer mentioned in his State of The Union speech last January that he was going to increase American exports my 20% a year for the next five years, what he didn’t say was how he was going to do it.

          The PLAN is to decrease the value of the dollar by 20% a year to achieve that currency parity. Make no mistake, it will be painful. It is painful, as it will also decrease the purchasing power of American consumers, but it will also bring jobs back to this country.

          The US is not going to implode and the sky is not falling.

          • DK: Okay, sometimes I get pumped up because there’s so much to say and not enough space.

            You seem like an intelligent “kidd” so here it goes

            It all starts with… There’s too much paper in the world and too much debt!

            We are going into a depression that will last many years

            There will be currency wars that will lead to a currency crisis

            There will be a lack of confidence in all governments to get us out of this

            Yes, we can agree that there is a plan, but let me ask you… do things always go according to the plan?
            I believe as things get worst, it will be a never-ending spiral that will feed on itself.
            And as much as “they” want a controlled devaluation, there will be competition from other currencies to do the same.

            In no particular order…

            Credit will dry up and businesses won’t be able to get the cash they need to stock their shelves.

            Bond investors will realize that all governments are unsound and dump their bond holdings – which by the way, are four times larger than all the stock markets combined in the world and investors will seek high dividend stocks and commodities to park their cash.
            The effect of all that cash rushing into those assets will make them soar.

            People act on emotion – the fear will cause a deflationary environment before investors realize what is really happening and flock to stocks that pay better dividends than bonds and commodities that keep up with the deliberate devaluation of fait currencies.

            I could go on but those are the major points.

            I respect you and your option as well as all the others here.

            I do think the time has passed or close to, to sell everything you’re not attached to, raise cash and wait for the shoe to drop.

            I don’t think it’s going to be by a thousand cuts, not to the sheeple, it will be swift and painful for those with their head in the sand.

            I certainly don’t have a crystal ball, but I pay attention to the big picture, not the everyday noise of stock markets and gold and the celebrity who’s on the front page this week.

            Time will tell – though, I like your outcome better 🙂

            • Man Up: Yes its too soon to tell, whether We can muddle through until consumer psychology changes, or not.

              Even the scenario I describe, which is the PLAN, is very ugly for American consumers, workers, taxpayers, and family; which is why I urge people to buy gold and vote. Gold alone will hold its purchasing power: a numerical value for it will be irrelevant.

              As for Europe, it sets the stage for the guy on the white horse coming to the rescue. Europe emerges stronger and more centralized from its crisis as WE know from bible prophecy. Germany and France have just agreed to European government.

              So it begins.

          • Man Up is closer to the truth than many on this sight are willing to accept. Why prep if it’s not so bad? In denial? Can’t handle the truth, sailor? I can’t hear you! Sound off!

            • El Zorro: Prep for the Earth Changes that are coming. Any problems Man creates we can change, reverse, modify, or adapt to: those that Nature’s God brings will be terrifying beyond belief. Many won’t survive these Changes and supply lines will be cut. WE are in the Last Days.

              Thats why I prep.


      45. Hey, gringo, when my people get amnesty, we also get affirmative action. That means we all go to the front of the line in front of the gringo kids. How do you pussies like that?

        • Cortez,

          It sounds like you are setting some real high standards for your children. I don’t blame people for wanting to come to this country and make an honest living, but when you just come looking for a free ride. You are only a discredit to your own race. There are a lot of good people who come here from your country and make a good life for themselves and the don’t like you slackers any more then the rest of us. You better teach your children to do for themselves cause if you had not noticed the US Government freebies are about to come to a END!

          P.S. Cortez just remember governments love useful idiot’s!!! Please don’t drop your children into that hole!

        • Eat shit dusche bag……I feel sorry for your kids….with you at their father, they will still be picking fruit and cleaning my hotel room.

      46. “The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.”….Ayn Rand

      47. I am so glad Bite me is our Vice President. So much smarter, funnier, and wiser than Cheney.

        Obama 2012. Hope and Change part 2

        • Stan; You’re right of course, and the Darth Vader costume just didn’t fit that funny looking little man. Made him look more like Space Balls.

      48. America is in the Bible.

        America REPENT, maybe God will change His Mind and not bring our ungodly nation to ruin.

        Shortened versions of visions below.
        From: Zelma Kirkpatrick

        In 1954 and written then. I was almost afraid to tell my vision of war and invasion in America; so I called Brother Roy Johnson and asked him if he thought I ought, and he said I should as no doubt God had given it as a warning, but now a lot of people got stirred up and left the coast, and I have been told that they are laying the blame to me, saying I told them to go. But Jesus knows the truth, and that is all that really matters. I only hope it doesn’t hurt my ministry for Jesus’ sake. I’d hate for my friends that I love to think such a thing. I only told what God showed me and then told the people to pray.

        I was praying at home before I ever went to South Bend, Washington, and God spoke to me in prophecy and said, “You will see what they see, hear what they hear, and you will sit among them and be astonished seven days, and you will put your hand over your mouth.” I couldn’t understand what He meant, but I never once doubted that it was from God; and it was, for it came to pass.

        I had the first vision two nights before going. It was in the night before I had gone to sleep when I saw a big relief map of the USA––no states marked off and just in colors of greens and tans. Then I saw a black strip come on the West Coast as black as black paint. It came quickly, like taking a paintbrush and making a quick stripe down the west border from Seattle to lower California. Then it began to spread slowly like ink in a blotter, and I cried out, “What is it, Lord?” for I could not understand it and did not think of war. Then all at once the word “invasion” I heard, I believe in an audible voice. I said, “Lord, will they take all of America?” And He answered, no, that it would take the western states. In fact, the exact words were, “They will not be stopped until they reach the Middle West.”

        I woke my husband and told him He did not want me to go to South Bend, but I felt I must go to South Bend and went. I was not afraid. In fact, I told him this: “If it’s God, He will confirm it. If not, I don’t want to listen.”

        So I forgot it entirely the first two weeks in South Bend. The third week I wakened out of a sound sleep as if someone had shaken me roughly. Then I saw the terrible war. The soldiers were Chinese and a few Russians. They were dressed in red coats and caps and light khaki trousers, almost white. They ran in a sort of hop-skip way, and they squealed as they fought. They looked to be in a fiendish flee. They would plunge their bayonets in the people’s belly and rip them up. They were devils. It was fiendish hell turned loose.
        From: Celia R. Okhuysen

        I must also add that I received further visions, dreams and prophecies in abbreviated format on the same subject by e-mail which unfortunately are not posted on the Web. One particular e-mail was on a brief excerpt of a book entitled “Destiny of America” by Timothy G. Snodgrass (Prophetic Intelligence Network, P. O. Box 1242, Bend, OR 97709). He outlines one particular vision in which he saw a nuclear attack on America. He details the ensuing death, by radiation, of many people while many others “wandered aimlessly, having a look of hopelessness and death written on their faces.” Famine and poverty were everywhere. He was carried in the Spirit throughout the country to witness America’s post-nuclear attack and destruction, particularly California. He also speaks of the “war in the heavens.” There were “many clashes and dogfights with the Chinese in the air.” He also saw Chinese troops “landing on our shores and gathering people into camps.” (See ARTICLESEquot;The Coming American Holocaust”) He gives a strong, graphic account of everything shown him which lines up with many of the visions and dreams referred to here.
        From: Gail Smith’s Story

        …U. S. INVADED: Shortly after the second earthquake the United States will be attacked by invading forces. Russia will invade the East coast and China the West coast. The invasion will include missile attacks. She was shown that the invasion would occur when people were eating and drinking which Gail believes to be Thanksgiving, but possibly Christmas. There will be nuclear attacks on both coasts, Las Vegas, and perhaps in Utah. [Note: This is supposed to take place following an October Wall Street economic COLLAPSE, which will be followed by a long-lasting quake 10 days later, and a MAJOR quake that will break many dams 15 days following the first quake. She saw the invasion taking place near or shortly after the second quake. 3 1/2 years after the first two quakes, two more MEGA-QUAKES will hit that will shake the entire planet and will kill millions and literally cause whole mountain ranges to rise and fall].

        …Many, including Isaiah and Gayle, have been shown the invasion of the US by Russia on the east coast and China on the west coast. Isaiah says that the invading forces, after accomplishing great destruction will be stopped by divine intervention and themselves destroyed &/or driven back. One man was told that the invasion would occur after the US ships troops to Korea. [Note: Gail has also stated that she has had dreams/visions of what may be destined to be the greatest military ground battle in the history of the world, which will take place in the Nevada desert between Eastern and Western military forces].
        etc., etc., etc……………..

        • You and Gail are out of your collective fucking minds. No invasion of the US by China and Russia. That is fucking PROPAGANDA trying to create fear without any substance to support your claim. You are a fucking liar!

          First, its not biblical. “Prophecy” must conform to biblical norms. Your “prophecy” does not.

          Second, there is this little thing called Mutual Assured Destruction. MAD would reduce both China and Russia to ruble as well, when the US returns the favor from its Triad.

          Third: It is not logical. Why would China invade the United States, 13,000 miles away, when they can walk into Mongolia unmolested and unopposed, and tap into its considerable natural resource wealth?

          If China was dumb enough to attack a major power, it would be Russia. Why? Russia only has about 10% of the population that China has and the vast majority of that population is located in European Russia.

          Russia controls 1/7 th of all the land in the world, most of it in Asia and contiguous to China. This land, like Mongolia, is virtually void of people, with the exception of about a dozen or so medium sized cities.

          It is blessed with vast amounts of minerals including oil & gas, and both precious and industrial metals. Not to mention enormous quantities of fresh water as Lake Baikal holds about 20% of all the fresh water in the world outside of the polar caps.

          China can overwhelm Russia in a massive first strike in European Russia, absorb a response, then overwhelm Russian forces in the East. There is NO logical rationale or biblical truth to support your fucking PROPAGANDA.

          You are a false prophet. You are a fucking Liar!

          • jrsmac: Babylon is CLEARLY identified in the bible as The Mother Of Harlots, a city that sits on seven hills: that’s Rome, not America.

            You are a fucking liar, falsely interpreting the bible. You are the one who needs to repent!

            • DK! – EAZY!!! Now who’s on too much caffine???

              We need you to continue contributing to this site…. And not from a hospital bed 🙂

      49. …….#2 Joke of the day!!! 🙂

        Two hillbillies are having lunch when a woman seated nearby begins to choke. Hillbilly asks her,”kin ya swallar?” The woman shakes her head no. Hillbilly asks her “kin ya breathe?” Woman shakes her head no. Hillbilly walks over, lifts up her dress, yanks down her britches and licks her butt cheek. The woman has a violent spasm and spits out the food. The hillbillies’ buddy says “ya know, I heerd of that there hind lick maneuver but I aint niver seed nobody do it”….. 😉


        A few years back I read the story of an American woman who ran a business in Hong Kong. She fired one of the Chinese workers, who went into a rage [probably justifiable] against the forces of western corporate imperialism. He told her with full assurace that one day China would stage a massive military invasion of the USA. They would flood into the coast in the millions in massive wave after wave of invaders. They expected heavy losses, however the living soldiers would simply walk over the bodies of their dead comerades, and continue the battle. They would be like a massive wave of army ants, unstoppable [consider that Red China’s active military numbers well over 5 million with tens of millions of “reserves”, whereas the U.S.A.’s active military force numbers less than one million, and most of these are entabgled in foreign U.N. “peace keeping” operations. This does not include Russia, Cuba, the Arab League or any other nation that might choose to side with China in a military invasion of the USA]. Eventually, according to this former Chinese employee, the Americans would eventually run out of bullets and the invaders would prevail as a result of sheer numbers. Shades of Revelation chapter 18?

        More visions at url

        • I can send you a letter when I have time and a picture to tell you how I’m learning. I have enough rice to keep me through math class. For $1865/month you too can ……

        • Could the Chinese do any worse than our government? Might be an improvement. I hear the Chinese are not too fond of Dark people and they have a cure for flash mobs. Did a good smack down on Georgetown the other day, too.

        • good
          I need the target practice, I havent been to the range in days!..days i tell ya.

        • I will send a letter with a picture if you send a monthly check to ensure lil billy has fresh water and shoes to attend school.

      51. jrsmac: Are you still on LSD or are you just delusional? Have you ever heard of MAD? (Mutual Assurd Destruction).

        This rant of yours is insanity. Check into a hospital. Biggest bunch of bullshit since the argument for “Free Trade”.

        • Let the wise take heed!!!!!
          Know God’s word.
          He does indeed judge nations!!!!!
          50,000,000 abortions(Murders)!!!!!
          Their blood cries out to God, as did Able’s after Cain killed him!!!!!

          • And you cry out for a rubber room! You are a false prophet, spreading propaganda. You are a fucking liar!

            • durango kidd, you like to curse me with the F word when you respond to anything I have written.
              God bless you.

              Matthew 5:44
              44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

            • jrsmac: I only curse you when you mix your fucking dribble WITH the Word of God and try to pass it off as

              Its not. Its your fucking delusional mind. You noticed that I didn’t even bother to repond to an earlier post when you didn’t mix your fucking delusional dribble with the Word.

              You made your points quoting scripture without your false fucking dribble. Your dribble is not scriptural. babylon is not America you fucking idiot. If you read the bible you like to quote so much, you would see that it SPECIFICALLY identifies Rome as the Mother of Harlots and Babylon.

              You are a fucking idiot spreading FALSE GOSPEL. That is PROPAGANDA!!!

            • Jesus Christ DK! You’re like a rottie when you get latched on to something. I don’t agree one whit with your religious pronouncements, but I’d give up my life shooting the zombies off your back…Love you brother, don’t let these noobs get you too riled up. One day, me and you are going to cook a pig together, not in that loser way (burying it) we’re gonna stay up all night with the pig, the charcoal, and the beer, and it’s gonna be great.

      52. too bad Johnny Carson isn’t around to do a good impression of Biden fumbling around for words like an idiot.

        We are so fvcked…

      53. JonnyV: Hey Bud! Yeah we will get together, someday. I am planning on it if the creek don’t rise or the SHTF.

        The problem with this idiot is that he is mixing his delusions with gospel, as if by doing so it validates his experience, and then he is publishing that bullshit as truth.

        It doesn’t. It isn’t. He is factually incorrect.

        Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their personal experience. I respect people’s opinion; but when someone pushes an opinion that is factually inaccurate, or spins the truth to support that opinion respecting something I care about, to mislead others, I will call them out and challenge them about it.

        There are a lot of knowledgeable individuals here, but there are also a lot of young people looking in with limited education and experience and it is up to US to set those “someones” straight when they mix a little truth with their lies and propaganda.

        Make no mistake Jonny. Some people are deliberately pushing propaganda.

        If you tell a lie long enough and over and over again, people start to accept it as true.

        WE are in difficult times. Many are scared. Some are frightened. Some are terrified, most are confused; so those without the education, experience, or special expertise to present the facts, or at least a LOGICAL argument based upon the facts, need to be called on the carpet when they spread bullshit as gospel.

        For those of US with that education, experience, and special expertise, there is a responsibilty to provide the facts, explain the truth, and present a logical argument about those facts. It may prove to be wrong but at least there is a legitimate rationale for it.

        He is entitled to his dreams and visions, but he is not entitled to mix them with gospel when the gospel doesn’t support them. Hell, there isn’t even a logical argument for the theory; or scientific evidence to support the idea.

        On the contrary, Mutual Assured Destruction has kept the US secure from attack for 65 years. It would be suicide for any nation to attack US even after major earth changes.

        I am not going to let the NOOBS push propaganda and falsehood about the USA with the intent to create confusion, dissenion, division, and fear without a tongue lashing. Period.

        United, WE are invincible.

        • Yep, some people are pimping an agenda, no doubt about that.

      54. AS I said before Durango Kidd,
        God Bless you.

        • jrsmac: He has, He does, and He will continue to do so because I have a close, lifelong, personal relationship with Him.

          If you were as close to Him as you think you are, you wouldn’t be trying to pass bullshit off as Gospel and the Truth would set you free from a lying spirit.

          You are delusional.

      55. “But, peace as defined by a communist, means that all other nations must also be communist.”

        Funny that if you replace “communist” with “christian” the sentence work perfectly. Funny that. Here let’s try:

        “But, peace as defined by a Christian, means that all other nations must also be Christian.”


      56. Dboy: I have never heard the first quote. Who said it? And what is so amazing about the statement you made? I am not a bible thumper, but I have never met a Christian who believes that “all other nations must also be Christian”. Of course I am sure there is a fanatic or two out there that believe it.

        Extremism is only a virtue in the defense of liberty.

        Personally I don’t care what a person’s faith is or isn’t. It is not relevant to me. Every adult must make their own choice as to how they will live their life and what they accept as a viable belief system under which they ought to conduct that life.

        Its imbeciles like jrsmac that give Christians a bad name.

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