BACKFIRE: Seattle Gun Buyback Turns Into Gun Show; Collectors Waved “Wads of Cash” At Those In Line

by | Jan 29, 2013 | Headline News | 239 comments

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    Leave it to enterprising Americans to always find a loophole in the midst of ever-expanding government regulation.

    While thousands of Seattle residents lined up for hours to trade their handguns, rifles and family heirlooms away in exchange for up to $200 in gift cards as part of the city’s latest gun buyback program, gun collectors who have seen prices for assault rifles and firearms accessories almost triple since November took advantage of a huge opportunity.

    Police stood in awe as gun enthusiasts and collectors waved wads of cash for the guns being held by those standing in line for the buyback program.

    Police officers in Seattle, Washington held their first gun buyback program in 20 years this weekend, underneath interstate 5,  and soon found that private gun collectors were working the large crowd as little makeshift gun shows began dotting the parking lot and sidewalks.

    Some even had “cash for guns” signs prominently displayed.

    People that had arrived to trade in their weapons for $100 or $200 BuyBack gift cards($100 for handguns, shotguns and rifles, and $200 for assault weapons) soon realized that gun collectors were there and paying top dollar for collectible firearms. So, as the line for the chump cards got longer and longer people began to jump ship and head over to the dealers.

    John Diaz, Seattles Police Chief,  wasn’t pleased with the turn of events stating “I’d prefer they wouldn’t sell them,” but admitted it’s perfectly legal for private individuals to buy and sell guns, FOR NOW. Mayor Mike McGinn said at a news conference the private transactions are a loophole that needs to be closed. “There’s no background checks, and some (guns) could be exchanged on the streets that shouldn’t be in circulation.”

    But Schuyler Taylor, a previous gun retailer attending the event in hopes of buying weapons, asked Why not offer them cash versus a gift card? I’m still taking the guns off the streets; they’re just going in my safe.

    DCexposed via What Really Happened?, Before It’s News, Daily Paul

    Pictures from the Gun buyback turned gun show in Seattle:

    Will Buy Guns for Cash

    Gun Buyback Line

    Cash For Assault Rifles

    Cash For Guns

    As lawmakers and gun control advocates further press the issue of disarmament, law abiding American gun owners who see those very same politicians refusing to disarm their own armed security details and exempting themselves from gun control legislation they mandate upon the rest of us, are starting to push back.

    New York gun owners are organizing and resisting the new registration requirement recently forced down their throats by the State legislature.

    Calls for defiance are taking hold across the entire spectrum of gun owners, with even elected law enforcement officials now rejecting any forced Federal or State mandates that they deem unconstitutional.

    In Milwaukee, and to the fury of Mayor Tom Barrett, Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. launched a media ad campaign promoting a new partnership with residents of his city :

    I’m Sheriff David Clarke and I want to talk to you about something personal: your safety. It’s no longer a spectator sport; I need you in the game.

    But are you ready?

    With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option. You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. But are you prepared? Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there.

    You have a duty to protect yourself and your family.

    Law abiding gun owners in America minded their own business and simply asked to be left alone. Now, because of the actions of criminals and psychopaths who will not disarm despite any legislative action, we have government officials on all levels and even the private sector attempting to limit how we can protect ourselves and our families from the very people who are out there committing the violence.

    Sides are being taken.

    And while there may be an effort to weaken certain Constitutional protections and even repeal them altogether, there are tens of millions of Americans uniting behind a single cause. They come from all walks of life, different political ideologies, and many are members of our armed forces and local police departments.

    Every attempt that gun grabbers have made in an effort to disarm Americans and limit our access to firearms has been vehemently rejected, and in the case of the Seattle impromptu gun show, used for the benefit of expanding gun ownership.

    If certain government officials really believed in our right to bear arms and wanted to keep guns in the hands of responsible, law abiding people, they wouldn’t be trying to take them away from us. Instead, they’d be giving us a tax break for gun safes.

    Pictures courtesy of, Seattle Times, The StrangerGuns Save Life


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      1. To paraphrase the first lady-
        For the first time in my adult life, I’m proud of Seattle

        • Oh man, Okie, I am rolling over here right now! Brilliant my friend, Brilliant!

          • Thanks, Mac 🙂

            • All I can think of is… holy crap! Why didn’t I think of that!? Seattle is just a 3-hour trip away! I could have bought 2-3 AR-15s and still had money left over!

              (…then turned around and sold one of ’em for a profit large enough to make my money back… crap!)

              Mental note: gotta find out when/if Portland is having one of these buy-back thingies…

              • You can bet they will have changed the laws by the next time they offer a buy back.TPTB know people are hurting, so the offer of $100-200 gift cards is pure utter BS!
                I’m all smiles to those in Seattle that believe in the 2nd Admendment, keep it up.

                Have you noticed how the MSM has cooled their heels about gun control. Mind you it still is going forward through our tyrannical government, but it’s back to MSM dribbling out non informational entertainment to lull the koolaid drinkers back into not thinking about whats’s at stake regaarding Our Constitution. Hurry, their waking up, we better get the mind tranq’s shooting across the airwaves again!!!!

                As I always say, stay vigilant and always have situtional awareness.

                B Aware, B Awake, B Alive, B Prepared, and above all else scream, FREEDOM!!!!!!

                • Seattle doesn’t beleive in it. It is the rest of the state. Two counties screw most of the state. It is our strong state constitution that saves the day. If Seattle had its way we would be NY City 2.

                  • I know what you mean, Facebook. Washington and Oregon both suffer from the globalists who concentrate in a couple large metros and practically run the states.
                    Beautiful country up there, and thankfully lots of resistance from the normal people. Otherwise, it would be California #2 and #3.

                    NOT ONE MORE INCH!

                  • Doesn’r Seattle have loads of refugees from Cali? Too bad they generally take their insanity with them when they flee, and proceed to ruin whatever place they flee to.

                  • I plan to go to every outdoor gunshow I can.

                • Sit down before reading: Controversial report exposes an unbelievable U.S. government purchase

                  “a DHS bid has been uncovered showing that the Department of Homeland Security recently put out an offer to purchase 7,000 full-auto “assault weapons” to be used domestically, inside the USA.”

                  “The juiciest part of this bid is the use of the phrase “Personal Defense Weapons” to describe the full-auto AR-15s being purchased by DHS.”

                  Apparently, when YOU hold an AR-15, it’s an “assault rifle.” But magically, if you hand that same rifle to an armed government homeland security enforcer, it instantly transforms itself into a “personal defense weapon.

                  The Daily Crux

                • God Bless Sheriff David Clark of Milwaukee. He is telling it like it is and taking care of his city too.

                  • We need more and more people standing up for the 2nd amendment! This is the USA people! We are unique and non-compliant to the socialism that’s trying to seep out here! Stand the hell up!!!!

              • Actually, there was a comment from about 2 weeks ago on this very site that suggested doing almost this very thing. I cannot recall who it was exactly, but it was a great idea. The original idea was to stage a fake buy back and use $50.00 WalMart gift cards. Anyway, screw the idiots that gave their guns away. I tip my hat to those that put a giant monkey wrench in the scam by purchasing.

                • We have had buy backs here before. Never have we had this kind of street turn out to buy them up.

                  But when they brought the tax man and the ATF just started to harass the private sellers at the shows. Where did they think it would go. To the streets.

                  It is sweet justices that this was thrown in there face under the bridges of I5 in Seattle.

                  More guns and phone number were exchanged then I have ever seen.

                  I wish the “Streetsweepers” would of been legal. They would of been in my collection in a heart beat. Instead they will find there way to a government officials private collection. What a waste.

                • It was my comment. When I lived in Australia they were talking about government buy-backs and swindlers who screwed the sheeple over in this fashion. A fool and his money are soon parted.

              • Gotta love this sheriff Clarke and the American spirit that is alive and well in Seattle. Just brillant on both parts.

              • Gun show in Portland…I’ll laugh about that one all day.

                  • Remember no Private sales at Gun shows in Oregon

                  • I went to a gun show a month or so ago in Oregon. Sales were brisk. The sellers were gun shops and individuals, new and used stuff. All the sellers had computers to access the online background checks. They’d have their answer in about 15 minutes and the sale would go through. Happy customers walk out with their new gun.

                  • Papered Gun

                  • *ahem*

                    “Private sales are private and are legal as long as you sell to an Oregon resident who is not a prohibited person.
                    If you want a record that the gun is no longer in your possession, you can have a bill of sale signed by the buyer. If you want the police to have a record of the transfer you MAY but are NOT required to, conduct a background check on the buyer. This costs $10.00 which must be paid by credit card. You contact the state police id unit for this check. The phone number is : 1-800-432-5059”


                  • other comment is under moderation due to link, but long story short is, yeah – no private sales at the gun show; however, there’s no prohibition against private sales in the parking lot, or some other public venue of mutual choice. 😉

              • Dude I hear ya. Awesome Idea!!! Might even be able to get a persons number or address and meet up with them later to buy some ammo!

              • “John Diaz, Seattles Police Chief, wasn’t pleased with the turn of events stating “I’d prefer they wouldn’t sell them,” but admitted it’s perfectly legal for private individuals to buy and sell guns, FOR NOW. Mayor Mike McGinn said at a news conference the private transactions are a loophole that needs to be closed. “There’s no background checks, and some (guns) could be exchanged on the streets that shouldn’t be in circulation.”

                What a pair of dumb cunts. As if guns have a life of their own.With firearms, for a potential safety issue to occur, three things must be present: a gun, ammunition that works in said gun, and a person to operate the combination. Of the three items, which one has free will? Which one might take drugs? Which one is a dumb cunt?

                That being said(rant off),my current favorite firearm, holstered on my hip, is no more a danger to me or anyone, who is not a danger to me. A non threat Citizen is more likely to be killed by a LEO, than an armed private Citizen. In a self defense situation, Citizens defeat and deter more crimes than our hired protectors.

                Politicians and LEO’s always want restrictions for private Citizens, restrictions that don’t apply to them, WTF?

                Ted Nugent said something like: why would our employees(gubbermint) have guns, and their employers(all of us)not. Again WTF. If the good ole USA is indeed governed by the consent of the People, why would we ever consent to being disarmed. Not one more inch!!

                OFF TOPIC: To OddQ: was up in Portland two weeks ago, went to Threat Dynamics to play. Check ’em out at threatdynamics(dot)com. To cool.

                If I have offended anyone with words in this post, I apologize, got Jim Jefferies(the comedian) on the brain.

                …powder and feet dry….BA>

                • This Seattle Police Chief sounds like he is taking a personal dislike to what made America strong in the first place. American Capitalism!

                  I fuc%$@& the American citizen in his job discription?

                  Does this Police Chief get paid to put the American citizen under his thumb?

                  Was I mistaken to believe that his job was to protect and defend the American Constitution and the citizens that live under that constitution?

                  This Policy Chief needs to be removed from office.

                  • This is why I scream and curse so much.

                  • The Seattle Police Chief is selected for his skill and ability in fawning to a liberal media, toadying to a liberal Mayor, and basically emasculating the police force to limit their ability to protect the people.

                • Cool! Never heard of ’em, but I know a few local gun dealers, so I can get opinions out of them on it. 🙂

              • Man I am 4 hours away and should have gone myself to get some toys…

                • ATF was there with their cameras all day.

                  • Nothing that a hat, sunglasses and a hankerchief over your liscence plate wouldn’t take care of. Or if your liscence plate has a 3 in it, a black piece of electrical tape could turn that into a B ( 3 vs B ). An N can easily become an M ( N vs M ). Be creative- Play safe play smart. Not one more inch !

                  • That doesn’t work as well as you think. Everyone tries that with our pay as you go road system. Normally it just get you a ticket for the tape and an extra fee for the road. Sunglasses and hats good try. They ain’t using bank cameras out there.

              • Portland has a “buy-back” about twice a year. At the last one I got rid of a Mosin-Nagant that was so screwed up it could only fire one shot, then you needed a hammer to open the bolt. I was perfectly wiling to let it go for a gift-card but someone in the crowd offered $100 for it and I snapped it up so I could buy powder and primers.

                • Where can I get info on those? I admit I haven’t looked around too much, but if you know already I’d appreciate the heads-up! 🙂

              • It’s good to know that commerce is alive and well. The government should be happy, we are saving them 100-200 bucks a gun!

              • LOL…they won’t let that happen in PDX…

              • I’m with you OQ, wish I had the nerve to do it. I don’t know what the laws are in NC, but I’d like to try it next time I hear of a buy back

              • damn-wish I was close enuff,but hey this is what America is all about,where every mother’s son can make a dollar and I’ll be sho-nuff keeping my radar on to make some cash and buy more;this is the way to recycle.

              • Brilliant , great idea ! I’ll have to watch for one here where I live ! I would love to get an AR , but they’re out of my price range ! Ha ha , this is too funny ! I’d love to have seen the faces of the police officers !

          • A two for one smile, the article and then SmokinOkie’s opening reply. Priceless 🙂

        • I’m proud of Seattle, too.

          This is a very good idea!

          We need to start doing this at every “law enforcement” buyback location nationwide. When you hear of a “buyback” event in your area PLEASE alert every gun owner you know and let’s get those guns into the hands of the revolutionaries and keep them out of the hands of the police!!

          • Counter-Revolutionaries—–brilliant!

        • Man, Seattle just set the precedence. Every gun buyback is going to turn into a gun show. Another idea would be to get a few people together and run an ad in the paper just before a gun buyback offering cash. Talking about turning the tables on the tptb.

        • “I’m luvvin’ it!”

          & this my friends is why I’ll always hold a place in my heart for the American people. This right here is a prime example of the spirit I so admired when I had the priviledge to work stateside and with US colleagues.

          “free trade” – the way it should be done : )

        • Well said !

          • When I was at a gun and knife show in SW Florida 2 weeks ago, the general perception among those in attendance was that things are getting too unstable and that the gubmint wants to disarm the public.

            I can tell you I purchased my 1st firearm. Prices have gone up and stocks were LOW. Yes people sense tyranny and that the gubmint is the only ones to have arms.

            It appears that the gun laws Diane Frankenstein is looking to pass doesn’t apply to them AND they are buying 7,000 of the same firearms they want to ban.

            • Good for you Rodster!!

              Take your new “mans best friend” out for a walk often, and keep it well fed(mine likes hollow points).

              “Welcome to the party,pal” — Die Hard.

              …be safe….stay the course….BA.

        • Yall have to see this new listing on ebay. Be sure and read all of the q&A at the bottom. After you compose yourself and stop laughing, you may want to pick up a few of these.

            • That is hysterical, the Q&A is hilarious!

            • This browbeaten subject of Londistan hasn’t been able to giggle about self defence for a Looong time.

              1000 thumbs up for directing me to this link Bulldog.

              (she rushes off to forward it to her entire address book)

            • Thanks for the laugh Bulldog. The question and answer section was priceless. Between you and SmokinOldie it’s hard to stay grumpy too long.

              • oops,…SmokinOkie..not Oldie

            • You have to read all 4 pages of Q & A, they just get funnier.

            • Assault rock was great!

            • Thanks for the link!!! And check out the top of the listing for seller has listed similar item for bonus spoon!

            • Dude, that kicks ass – does it come with the pre-ban magazines?

              (Seriously – awesome link! 🙂 )

            • hysterical-thanks needed it.

        • @ Okie

          Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of a website that lists when and where these “buybacks” will be happening? PLEASE… list it here somewhere…. I am literally begging all of you 🙂

      2. I wish I had been there like a few old Henrys and a gatling gun

      3. THIS IS AWESOME! Too funny. Stick it to em guys.

        • No kidding…a chance to buy firearms at bargain basement prices…from people who have just sold their last bit of freedom for a few bags of gmo groceries.

      4. The time has come as free humans to say no more, to start taking our RIGHTS and FREEDOMS back. I have a simple message for the gun grabbers, come and take them if you can!!!! I do not want to fight again, I have seen more than enough blood spilled and lives lost. But FREEDOM is not FREE. i will never surrender. From my cold dead fingers you tratiorus bastards!! MOLON LABE fellow patriots

      5. Lets see now… A card for $200 worth of cheap Chinese made junk?…or $400 cash for Uncle John’s old rifle that I don’t even know how to shoot?….Decisions, decisions…

        • I think I’ll use the next one to safety dump the old .357 with the worn-out cylinder axle… a gunsmith will charge more than it’s worth to fix it.

          Funny… in the old days, I would have had to sell it for parts at best, or just thrown it out. Now the dumbass nanny state will *pay* me for the pile of junk.

          • Odd Q..same here; I have a .32 pistol and it won’t hit a cardboard box 12 feet away–will definitely get rid of it if any buybacks happen here.
            This is Ky. though, and it ain’t gonna happen.

          • A good opportunity to load up on junk and sell it to them for gift cards, then add insult to injury by using the Wal-Mart cards to buy ammo.

          • Yup, I have a old Jennings Jam-Master 9mm with a cracked receiver and broken magazine catch. I’ve been saving it to turn in if the cops come, I at least have something to give them. The holster is worth more than the gun!!!

      6. LUV IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        The best thing going for the people of the USA is they are up against the government who typically are the most non-thinking, lazy group around. The average person should be able to run circles around anything a government official comes up with. If the government didn’t have brute force, my 5 year old niece would out manuver them.

        • @ Lena

          Speaking of average, think in your mind of the “average” government drone. Then understand that this fool is “average” because HALF the idiots in government are STUPIDER THAN THAT

          Just sayin’

      7. Yeah this is perfect, dont suppose they saw anything like this in Oz or UK when their gestapo had them buy back (or else)It just came to mind that these poor sheep standing in line have absolutly no idea how much they are gonna need those guns in the very near future. Oh well some lessons are harder to learn than others. How sad and for a lowsy 2 hundred bucks. Guess thats the going rate then….. for what?…… freedom = $200/ea

        • @ Boss Hog,

          I know what you mean… I can’t understand the slave mentality of it all. Heck, I can’t even bring myself to TRADE any of my firearms… I’d just as soon trade my dog…. HELL no!!!

          Oh well, if these people need our services in a future SHTF scenario, they might have mine… but it’s gonna cost them. Big time. I’m a nice guy, but I’m not doing any more friggin’ “freebies” 🙂

      8. THIS! Right here, people! This is the reason the PTB will ultimately lose. The idea of free enterprise will triumph over the tyrant banksters!
        This is such a clear contrast of opposing ideologies. On the one hand, we have the SYSTEM. Trying, desperately, to foist it’s will upon the people. They’re not buying guns here, they are trying to buy the people’s ability to defend themselves. And consequently, their freedom!
        Tempting the ignorant, the lazy, the fooloish among us. Offering them a pittance for their right of self defense. Counting on their ignorance, their momentary greed for self gratification through cheap consumer goods. Counting on their trust in a corrupt regime to somehow protect them once they are defenseless.
        In other arenas, the SYSTEM is attempting to disarm the people through fear and intimidation, such as the recent NY gun legislation. In either instance, whether with the stick or carrot, the tyrants persue ever greater control.
        On the other hand, the people RESIST. In NY it is open hostility to unconstitutional laws. In Seattle, it’s the free market that flexes it’s muscle. Showing the SYSTEM just how easily it can be defeated!
        Make no mistake, when the shtf, there will be force, threats of force, and violence aimed at the populace. Many will resist, even to the point of risking, perhaps losing, their lives. The outcome of those conflicts is unknowable at this point.
        But, when the dust has settled, it will be the free market that wins. The idea of a free, fair exchange between willing parties can never be completely killed. No matter how much the globalists and banksters try, with endless laws, licensing, fines, fear and threats. The entrepreneurs will always find a way. They will barter. They will use the so-called black market. they will go over, under, behind, or through the limits placed on them.
        The IDEA of freedom, most clearly represented by open fair trade between individuals, will never be killed! On that idea rests the remainder of our freedoms.

      9. Go Seattle! But shame on the people who are willing to give up their right to defend themselves. Although, I suppose it is excusable if they need the cash and gift cards to get food, pay medical bills ect….

        • or to clear out some junk that don’t work anymore…

        • There are some folks who are really hurting right now,,, and I gotta tell you, that DPMS AR dont taste too good even if you stew it for a looooonnnggg time,,
          the other side of that is that there are folks who have more than one of them, and some times many more than one, so are looking to spread the love around and arm their neighbors, as well as partake in some free enterprise.

        • Food I can understand (however the firearm might also be useful in obtaining food). But what medical bills can be paid with $200?

          • I thought we had Obamacare to take care of our medical needs???

            (note The overwhelming tone of sarcasm in my voice)

            • Check out how many states (25 I think) are refusing to set up the Obamacare “exchanges” (now called marketplaces). I think pays for setting these up, but the states are responsible for the ongoing costs. These states want to sidestep responsibility for the ongoing expense of these. Look at the burden Medicaid has become.

              States will be threatened with loss of federal dollars. Wait till some state says “OK”.

          • an oncologists office visit would be covered by $200
            the blood tests right before the oncology office visit can be covered by $200

            certain smaller bills that the hospital hits you with for cancer surgery can be covered by $200,

            some testing can be covered by $200

            also $200 can help pay off part of a bill.

            and yes these are all true for after my wifes unterine cancer surgery the bills came in ranging from $60.00 – $30,000.00 there are about 50 of them now. One for very blood test she took during chemo and radiation, one for each chemo, one for each radiation treatment, all different bills.All treated like they are different bills. So yes $200 can help even if only a drop inthe bucket, it will make sure that you will be able to get more treatment as you are seen as paying on the tab.

            At least this is how it is working out for us.

        • i wonder if,at these gun buyback events if there is any identification required of those people,or proof of ownership.Hell, they could be showing up with stolen guns to turn in.And why would they give up a gun for a pittance when they know they can get more for it on the open market. Could it be that these people are being used by the authorities to turn in guns confiscated during arrests as a form of propaganda to say ,”look at all of these people who’ve chosen to do the right thing an turn in these dangerous weapons”.

          • They discovered precisely 4 stolen guns at the Seattle buyback, out of nearly 800 purchased.

        • I hear that one big attraction to these buy backs is the “no questions asked” part. Instead of ditching guns used in crimes, criminals get paid for them and make them totally off limits for use as evidence.

      10. damn. Too bad I missed the gun buy-back program. I would have offered more money up front “CASH” for their collectibles and AR15’s. I will definately be at the next one. My best friends call me CASH….

      11. WTG Seatle….just turn the buyback program for dummies into a gun show…lol…nice. Are people SERIOUSLY this dumb btw? Don’t these dumbasses know you can get much more money by SELLING the gun instead of giving it away for a crappy gift card? WOW…people AMAZE me with stupidity.

        • Stupidity can be pretty amazing. Where I am, we have been on to these gun buy-backs for years. We pick up junk guns wherever we can and when the closest big city has a buy-back, we take our junk there and get gift cards and then go out and buy more ammo and guns with the money. Its simply capitalizing on the STUPIDITY of the government.

          • Like “cash for clunkers”. Use some of your neighbor’s money to buy a car you were going to buy anyway. I heard that people were trading in F-150s, buying newer model F 150s that got slightly higher fuel milage, and getting the subsidy.

            • And everyone that got turned in was completely disabled and destroyed. Couldn’t even be parted out. Nearly killed the used car market and junkyards in my area. I used to be able to buy a 8-10 year old 4 wheel drive pickup with about 100k miles but still in decent shape for $3000-$4000, now they are $8k to $12k. It’s getting harder and harder to find parts for all kinds of used cars too. Another moronic liberal feel-good idea with some major unintended consequences.

        • Yes the people in Seattle are that dumb !

      12. Doncha’ love it? Nothing like a little good old, free market ingenuity and American capitalism to shove it right back in their face! We almost ought to be thanking Feinstein for motivating Americans to arm themselves. My only regret is not having bought Ruger stock a few months ago, although I did buy a few more nice firearms this year before the prices started to go sky high.

        Good luck Feds trying to destroy ourConstitutional rights. Go pass your bogus law, and see what happens. Gonna get ugly, that’s for sure, and this old geezer, along with millions others, will no longer submit…not one more inch. Better start listening, and better start realizing that you have made one gross miscalculation. Frankly, I m glad they have blundered and made this threat. It has woken us all, pushed us to our last little bit of what little restraint we have. Bring it on!

        • I think its time to use that good old American ingenuity to develop a pneumatic or mechanical rifle that is capable of utilizing the projectiles for reloading, could be cast or stock components, a chamber of sorts with some sort of mechanical system that can create the pressures or mechanical force needed to propel the projectile, 1500fps-2400fps is sufficient for most of these,, time to really work on this stuff folks, I know there are some engineers out there reading this stuff…

          • In the 17th century, air guns, in calibers .30–.51, were used to hunt big game deer and wild boar. These air rifles were charged using a pump to fill an air reservoir and gave velocities from 650 to 1,000 feet per second (200–300 m/s). They were also used in warfare; the most famous example is the Girandoni Military Repeating Air Rifle. kula will this do?

            • It was a little later than that – more like late 18th century and early 19th. But yes, the things were so effective that Napoleon ordered the death penalty for any opponent caught with one. (That would have been the Girandoni you mentioned I believe.) And the Lewis and Clark expedition took one with them.

          • Gas gun , ceaseless ammo electrically ignited in a combustion chamber, ie like a piston in a internal combustion engine. you cannot ban all volatile liquids or machine shop tools!

            • Potato gun, or Spud-Zooka!!!!

      13. GOOD. 🙂




      15. Here is how the idea in Seattle started, by this group:

        and this was the result:!-quot

        Background info:
        Washington is a “shall carry” state.
        Open carry legal, very limited exceptions like courtrooms and bars, no permit needed for open carry.
        Concealed carry is a shall carry for everyone, with background check, and the permit process that takes 30 days.

        So the police had to let the armed, peaceful citizens hold their signs on public sidewalks with cash offers to the steady crowd that showed up. A lot of guns were saved by collectors. These guys really knew their firearms.

        It worked very well, with no incidents. Like a free society should work. Only the Seattle politicians, playing to the cameras, had a problem with it.

      16. This story put a huge smile on my face. I doubt there will be a gun buy back here in TN, but if there’s one close by I will be headed that way. 🙂
        Where are the cities getting the money for the gift cards? It really seems like a waste if money. With so many cities cutting law enforcement and fire fighters, wouldn’t the money be better spent elsewhere? Maybe I’m just thinking crazy here.

        • @ JL – They had one in Nasvegas just before Christmas. keep an eye on the news for them.

          And to quote Ethel Merman – “God Blesssss Ammmerrrica, land that I lovvvvvvve”.

          • Kate Smith.

            • Dammmit…its ok…i suck at jeopardy as well 🙂

      17. Is anyone else besides me disgusted that they are using our money to buy guns that are then destroyed?

        • I can already see some cities (very liberal ones) trying pass ordinences to prohibit folks from getting within say 1000 feet of these Gun-Buy-Backs. But again, free enterprise will rise to the occassion. The buyers will set up their own buy back in some old parking lot, shed, anywhere where they space is open to everyone and entice the sellers with lots of cash. Gun show organizers could have a special deal for first time sellers and schedule them the same day, as the buy backs, or just before, when possible. I also see roving bands of buyers going from city to city, like a carnival, buying guns. A real free-for-all is coming with the government’s continued restrictions. Captialism is idea that no can kill. But the government will keep trying, and we’ll keep resisting.

          • People in USSR were more capitalistic than you or me. Same thing now in China.

        • yeah, i want my money back, I got nothin for it.

        • We never get used to it SD…this will bite them in the ass. In fact, it already is.

          I will never give up my right to bear arms so help me God.

          • Maybe we should call our elected representatives, yah I know eyes are rolling, and make it illegal for our government officials to do guy buy backs.

        • Yes. I am immensely bothered by it. This is why when the government wanted to tax just 2% from the wealthiest families in 1913 there should have been a rebellion. Its called creeping communism. If the government didnt have all the tax revanue, it couldnt be flying helicopters over our heads. This is why we must oppose even the most miniscule tax increase.

          • 6 thumbs down for this? People like paying taxes that are then used to oppress them??

            • Just passing trolls MXLord – pay them no mind.

        • Yes. Yes I am.

      18. I know this is late to be posting this. But Wyoming is taking up action on gun Bills today, Tue. These Bills are all still in Committee, HB103,HB104 and HB105. To make this post short HB104 is the Bill that prohibits the Feds. from coming in state and enforcing their gun laws. Here are email addresses for Committee members, if you like, email them and ask them to move these Bills out of Committee without Amendments —- [email protected]–— [email protected]— Thanks for the help> They still listen, when the shout is loud enough. Trekker Out.

        • DONE!
          Thank you for letting us know. I had already emailed my state senator and state representative about voting for HB 104. I didn’t know about the others or about the vote in committee until you told me.

      19. American ingenuity is not dead, nice to see a win for the good guys !!

      20. Hilarious. For this to happen, Washington must be like my state and have few if any restrictions on resident to resident private firearms sales. Unfortuntely for opportunistic buyers like myself, gun “buyback” programs are outlawed in my state.

      21. Also don’t know what Tribe, Sheriff David Clarke of Wis. is from, but he can sure join mine. It’s men like him that have helped tear down my prejudice, even though Obammy has done alot to stir it up. Trekker Out. Honor Few and Fear None!

      22. beautiful…just brought tears to my eye — oh, the irony!

      23. I love it!

      24. Damn it!! I’m only a short drive up to Seattle and I missed a great opoutunity!!!! Could have picked up an extra short and a long for easy money. Wouldn’t mind an extra “collectible” Belgium made FN if I can find one.

      25. I sure would like to know where these programs pop up in my area, I would definetly give these peole what their stuff is worth, at least way better than a 50 to 100 dollar voucher from the vultures..

        These people are being disrespected, and they dont even know it..

        this is the kind of thing they thing will disarm this country..ROTFLMAO…
        not in a million years

        this was also linked in a previous thread

      26. The free market rules because freedom rules in the hearts of honest men. They cannot stop us, no matter how hard they try!
        makes me want to go out in the backyard and do a Mel Gibson Braveheart shout-out! (preferably without the evisceration.)

        molon labe

      27. I cannot help to think of the statement made by Rep. Rangel (D NY); (paraphrased) “There are cultures in the south that we will have to overcome” in gun control.
        Well I don’t see them shooting up Wall Street, Dan Ryan Expressway, Hollywood etc. do you. Last two events where in the SOUTH, are there a connection there I don’t know, but it looks funny to me.


        • Pale rider,

          Stop reading my mind brother.The training with be held more ofen here in the south,I’m betting next they will be shown on Lamestream TV.



      28. These people are trading ther liberty for a few pieces of silver,only wish I could have been there ,only problem would have needed aa new gun safe.

      29. VRF: Think about it; do you really want people who are both stupid, and desparate for money, to have guns in the first place? I’m glad these fools have them and are willing to sell them to the highest bidder; in this case, the honest gun enthusiasts of Seattle. It’s a win-win for everyone who counts. The only losers here are the government sucking liberals. Hooray for small scale Capitlism.

      30. I have seen where in a local steel mill they bring in truck loads of these guns and some probably used in crimes, they get thrown into the ladle of steel..armed guards and uniformed cops are crawling all over the place when they do this and a drug burn..
        but you know the nice good and expensive ones get taken out of the pile and are in a cops gun cabinet at home

        • In the county where I grew up, the sheriff from that time period was kicked out for just that. Guns and drugs were missing from the property room. He said he took them to the steel mill himself. No record of his entry or exit in the mill’s visitor logs for those visits. Note that he was NOT prosecuted.

      31. be careful on these types of deals, Next there will be cops trying to arrest the cash buyers that try to undermine thier efforts..keep a low profile and watch how this plays out if it becomes something across amny states or grows to a larger effort

      32. I’m sure the anti-gun faction was disappointed that no shots were exchanged, dispelling their notions that guns, not people, kill people.

      33. This type of ‘gun rescue’ vs ‘groceries for guns’ has happened several times in Texas. 2011 in Austin and just recently in Dallas that I’m aware of.
        DH & I nod in agreement that sheeple who sell to either venue should most certainly do so… if they are this dumb they should not be owning. Very Irresponsible Peeps (VIPs). OTH: typical waste of tax payer funds for those who get $ to off load junk / non-repairable weapons. phfff.

        I also have a beef in calling it ‘buyback’ which implies ‘they’ owned the weapon in the first place! (Well played, psyop Socialist, well played)!!! ‘Here’s some chump-change moola to return those evil, nasty guns back to their rightful owners'(using the people’s money)… WTHeck!

        Does make my Texan heart proud to hear the resonating growl around our fair land. I believe the sound will only echo louder, louder, until the ROAR of the lions is heard very clearly.

        Not sure what will come of any gun legislation, but mandatory background checks will definitely be in it. Private sells banned! will be buried in the unread bill. This little loop-hole is what makes the Marxist head spin like the demon possessed gal in that 1970’s movie.

        I believe my golf cart has gotten stuck at the monkey exhibit… gonna have to trek out here on foot. ~..~ TG

      34. What chaps me is the leftie rant about a “loophole” allowing sale between individuals. I am a long way from Washington State so I wasn’t there, but if the article be correct, most buyers were FFL holders which means any subsequent transfer would involve a NICS check and 4473. As always, this isn’t about anything but disarming the public irrespective of any safety issue.

        • True, but only if you register it!!!!!!

      35. God Bless America!

      36. “The best-laid schemes o’ mice an’ men
        Gang aft agley.” — Robbert Burns

        “The best-laid schemes o’ libs and Dems
        go always awry.” — Me

      37. Unfortunately the anti gun people will use this as an example of guns being purchased by-passing a back round check.

        Perception is everything. That being said at this point and time it was counterproductive.

        • Kevin,

          While this is true, I could give a f**k less what these people think or say. These are not rationally thinking people. These are people bent on the destruction of our country. They are always going to have something negative to say. I’m glad that so many potential life saving devices were saved from destruction.

          Standing by in TN

          • LM is right. Gun owners will ALWAYS be villified. Time to stop playing defense and to use their own slogan, “get in their face”.

        • kevin
          the more these things happen then the more the goverment gets the idea that we will not stand for the covernment assuming control over the gun fight… its our right to have guns and they need to back off, this is all heading to a war and it will be a travisty when it happens..

          so yes perception is everything, but i dont thing its counter productive

          • I see the most productive thing regarding perception is Sheriffs and Statehouses saying NO. That is a line in the sand that has the weight of law with some teeth potentially attached. Fence sitters sit and wonder, “If cops are against this it probably isn’t a good idea”. Conversely right now you don’t need the fence sitters to see this so dramatically. They vote, they write their Officials too.

            I would like to save the Pre64 Winchester too along with that Pre War Colt. Politically this was counter productive.

            It’s Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box. We’re at step one.

            • Step one!? LOL…

              • There is much better than a 50/50 chance that this insult gun bill will not pass. So yes, that is defeated in step number one the soap box.

        • Kevin2 – I was just thinking the same thing, a whole bunch of people on the evening news buying guns without background checks, just more ammo for the anti’s to use against us. I’m sure there were people screaming that there could be murderers and rapists there buying scary guns!!!! Of course, we all know they would not shoe their faces with that many cops & cameras around, but it still plays to sheeple’s emotions on the 6:00 news.

      38. Darn…wish I had know about this. I would have gladly made the drive to Seattle to try and exchange some of my worthless Federal Reserve Notes for a few guns from those morons willing to give them up.







        • “Comprehensive immigration reform”=Open Borders. If you want to see “racism” simply look to any aresa where a large group of these “undocumented immigrants” has congregated. They make no secret of their hatred for anyone outside their ethnic group.

        • Done some reading around the treatment of African Jews, and been fortunate enough to meet a couple over the years. These people can trace their lineage authentically and follow customs last seen in common daily practice during Roman times. The modern Armenian mob cannot trace any lineage back past a choice made by a Central European King to try and avoid annilihilation when his kingdom was on the front line of the Christian West and the Ottoman empire just a few hundred years back. Yet the Userpers dominate modern “Jewish” culture and practice, ruthlessly oppressing any who disagree.

          The imposters are made VERY uncomfortable by the reality of witnessing honest, truthful Judaism as part of a holistic lifestyle in practice. They cannot handle it at all. The zionist banksters corruption that has turned our civilisation inside out is NOT Judaism, just as the peadophilic priests of recent scandals do not in any way represent true Catholicism.

          Jewish sheople may if exposed to true Judaism, begin to turn against the corruption and this possibility terrifies tptb. Tptb always use scapegoats for mob punishment to avoid exposure and justice. (eg the Holocaust of WW2 meant many ordinary “jewish” sheople were murdered while the true architects of a continents destruction got off scott free).

          Many people are unaware that within what we now call the ghetto of Palestine still reside those semetic Christians and Jews that were there before the invasion of the modern Isrealis. Many Christian Palestinians found their way to the Lebanon and other middle-eastern nations, but some families are still trapped. I have yet to hear one of these newfangled evangelical preachers lead a prayer for these poor souls. Not content with corrupting Judaism, the evil elite has corrupted many Christian denominations in recent years.

          It is often forgotten that for most of European History Usery was either incredibly tightly controlled or forbidden outright in Christian nations. Punishment consisted of execution or banishment. Usery is forbidden by the Bible. It is also forbidden by the Koran. Modern Islamic banking practices do not meet the requirements of the con men.

          Many of our recent wars have had nothing whatsoever to do with spreading the concept of freedom, justice, democracy or human rights but everything to do with the preservation and/or imposition of Usuary and funny money practices on those nations which attempted to resist the march of the globaist plantation owners.

          • I’ll never understand this ‘True Worshiper’ argument I hear from all faiths. Why can’t you just see it for what it is and stop trying to justify mythology? Freedom and justice are sufficient to have a prosperous society.

          • Lonlymum: you say True judiasim, but facts is aprox 99+% of jews today base it upon Talmud teachings.

            And even the very small fraction that still base beliefs upon first five books of moses etc if That is what you meant as “true” jewsih worship?..Even then why is it good for them to still Cling to a covenant that Jesus Christ Replaced with a New covenant 2000 yrs ago?

            If not mistaken you are christian yes?..Even if not, I am sure you must be aware that Christ as well as the Entire new testement(covenant the New one) states in zero uncertain terms that the Only Path to salvation is the New covenant of Christ and christianity, as we know “some” early jews back in His days agreed to and converted From judiasim(talmudisim) and became the First Christians and most of the 12 apostles too.

            I am Not saying they don’t have a right to such jewsih beliefs etc..Of course they Do. But why encourage a beliefe that will lead to Loss of salvation?

            After all if you are christian, you Must believe in zero “other” ways or paths to salvation as That is the Main theme of it all…The jews waited for what? 2000 yrs Prior to Christ for their mesiah…Yet Most totally Rejected Him when He arrived(christ) and caused His murder. As well as hundreds of Millions More christians murdered since christs era.

            Yet you seem to promote judiasim as long as its some type “True” type?…Christians are supposed to spread the Gospel(good news of christ as reedemer etc), to entire worlds folks and that includes jewsih folks as well.

            Just thought I’d mention this as your post was, to me, kinda confusing.

        • Satori: Thanks for your post and link. It proves what I posted several articles back on how netahyhaoo and his pals were demanding an Only white jewsih “state” and how they are treating Black jews from etheopian decent!

          I hope all the thumbs down naysayer, unquestionably defend crowd, Read and Re think their positions regarding that bandit state and its inhabitants. Including the Dual citizen ameican/isreal ones we host here in america.

          Adversaries to God, and all of Mankind.

          • Israel admits forcing birth control shots on Ethiopian women

            “Haaretz reports that the Health Ministry Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu, has instructed the four health maintenance organizations in the country to stop the practice immediately. The Israeli ministry and other state agencies have for long denied allegations that the government-funded health facilities were targeting Ethiopian women for selective use of the contraceptive…

            According to one of the women interviewed, “They told us they are inoculations.* They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.” According to the report, officials threatened to deny some applicants entry into Israel if they refused to accept the injection.

            In her 2009 study, Eyal described the drug use as part of an “unspoken [official] policy” aimed to “reduce the births in a community that is mostly black and poor.””


      40. i grew up east of seattle, and what there is up there for people is 2 kinds… you have the ones that are very liberal and will do anything tptb say and do it without question and the other group are those who will do anything to have there guns… there is no happy medium in the seattle area…

        35 years ago you still had areas of (for a lack of a better term) hillbillies and you would not go into the back areas without talking a chance that you would be shot… 40 yrs ago you could compare the out lining areas as from the movie deliverance

        so these days you still have 2 extreme views, that hasnt changed, and im proud to be in the group of the hillbilly clan, its in the blood and in the heart

      41. Here’s a thought,

        “Freedom of Speech”, Yeah? Here we’ve got Mz Feinsteins glorious, full-color photo (YECHHH!!) s’pose about 20,000 folk print that, take it to the range and put a nice three- or five- shot group dead in her snoz. THEN mail it – no commentary AT ALL – to the ‘Senator’s office. Hmm, now THAT’S “FREE SPEECH” ain’t it? I THINK she’ll get the idea …what do Y’All think? 🙂

        Uncle Fuckemup sayz “Yep, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, Never better…”

      42. You all know what I think, the powers on the Hill have realized, that big old juicy steak they just cooked for themselves is full of gristle and it’s going to be hard for them to chew.


        • NOT ONE MORE INCH!!!

          We are tired of their Crap! Bring it on.

      43. Someone sent me an email and to my surprise the subject matter was JoeinNC.

        They got my interest right away as they said that people told them that this might be Joe in NC.

        Y’all Beware! Thought I would forward this on as some here might hear a resemblance and at least get a laugh!

      44. Another one

        Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, the lone Republican in President Obama’s Cabinet, is resigning.


      46. Where is the money for the vouchers coming from?

      47. Let them all go to Lost Vegas if it isn’t illegal. What goes there, stays there.

      48. LOL! What. A. Burn. I’ve been feeling so down lately with all the gun grabbing, amnesty, gay marriage, Obama worship talk. This is just what I needed. I feel better today. 🙂

        • Have faith brother, we are!

          Not one more inch!


      49. That Seattle gun buy back also didn’t work with one case where someone brought in a Stinger Rocket Launcher and got a $100 gift card. The Stinger had already been used and is classified as DISPOSABLE when it has already been fired. You evidentally can find these things all over the place in some battlefield.

        This is a good feel article. So many times at these gun backs the police prey on the very poor giving up their self defense to eat. To see the person in need to sell their firearm getting a little more, and someone getting a firearm for an excellent price, EVERYONE WINS, that is except for those gun grabbers. Anytime the gun grabbers lose, it is an excellent day.

        • there was a segment on this item on the Fox Report tonight…i didn’t catch the whole thing but of course they made a big deal of it…made it sound like there were more on the street, etc, etc….

      50. Kind of counterproductive that following Seattle’s last buy back, that gun crimes actually increased significantly over the next few years. Well done, Seattle.

      51. Well done, Seattle. 439 down, 199,999,561 to go!!

        • Be Informed,

          Yup, we believe that and all other fairy tales… 🙂

          Magazine Pushes Fake Picture of Obama Skeet Shooting…
          (“Within minutes the magazine had deleted the picture and admitted its mistake. … Then the magazine blamed Twitter for its mistake.”)

          Posted on Drudge Report

        • It’s probably a 410 single shot with recoil pad. I doubt he could handle a 12 guage.

          • Probably not loaded, he’d never shoot one, that might cost him votes.

      52. Why does the military seem to be preparing for urban warfare in the United States?

        It seems hard to ignore the fact that the armed forces of the United States are training for urban warfare, not urban warfare in the Middle East, but instead here in our own nation.
        This is becoming painfully clear due to the fact that the military trains for what they think they’re going to do.

        If they are planning to fight in the desert, they would train in the desert and obviously if they are going to be fighting in a metropolitan setting in the United States, they would train in an American city.

        Its time to wake up everyone you know, that is sleeping at the wheel..this aint no disco, this aint no fooling around.

        NOMI, say it fast like a word.. they will “KNOW ME”

        • Ive been warning about the dangers of supporting the military for years. No one would listen. Reap what you have sown.

      53. Seattle is the cesspool breeding ground for Nanny State, Bolshevik, Communist Marxists. THE Model City for Agenda 21. In ’08, 80% of the population voted for the Mulatto. Wouldn’t surprise me if that figure was higher for ’12. The quintessential Fascist Police State. The PoliZe were definitely taken off guard. Better believe at the next Gun Buy Back, entrepreneurs like these daring and undaunted individuals will meet some form of resistance. They’ll be photographed, finger printed, micro chipped, and psycho analyzed, all without them knowing it.

      54. I love it!

        Leave it to the government to invent new ways of stealing…they still can’t confiscate (steal) or tax (steal) guns away from people so instead they will pray on their fear and defraud them into turning over a gun like an AR, which will easily fetch $1k today for a gift card for 1/5th of that, which can only be used at their crony’s stores.

        Thanks be to God for the American’s who are looking out for the real best interests of the sheeple!

        If they have one of these in my neck of the woods I will get my gift card for a nice dinner out by trading in my junk guns and then turn around and look for some more high quality guns. Bring on the buy back.

        Won’t these folks feel stupid if they ever need their guns though….

      55. THANK GOD= & MAC=== Man i have been waiting for that , and posted a suggestion on a few sites,BUT= BEWARE= they wont always act civil- keep a camera rolling and hidden at the GOVT.OPERATION;” DISARM AMERICA” BUY BAKS= they will get nasty.

        WITH each act of RESISTANCE, we chip away @ their confidence, thought it may seen futile, it IMPACTS their future operations.

      56. Gun buybacks remind me of the story of Esau selling his birthright to Jacob for a mess of pottage, in other words, selling his entire inheritance for a single meal.

      57. ALL LEO’s and Military are wacked and WILL take your guns if ordered and will shoot you if ordered or you resist…….anyone who thinks otherwise is in dreamland!!

      58. This is just awesome news. I hope the same happens in Denver.

      59. Long time reader, first time to comment. I have for some time now been trying my best to wrap my head around just what exactly is going on, not just right here in THESE United States, but abroad as well. I believe we are in a far worse situation than many realize. I might be completely wrong here, and I welcome any opinion or comment, but please be respectful. Some of you have made comments regarding this, and are aware of the Z I o n I s t agenda. If not please educated yourself. If you are aware, have you reasearched noahide law? I urge you to do so. There is currently an internal battle within the WH, that stretches Across the globe. Who will prevail? both sides are out to destroy the other and take “we the people” down with them. I never thought I would say this, but Iran is not our enemy or any other Muslim country, they are fully aware of how brainwashed we are. They are begging us to wake up before its too late. Google presstv, noahide law. O is not following the script, he has different agenda, it appears to fall in line with china and Russia. Why else would he honor the deal with Egypt? Either way we the people are up shit creek without a paddle. And I honestly have no idea how we can save this once great Nation. The gun issue pisses me off no doubt. I applaud those of you who are ready to fight it head on. Gun control is needed for both agendas thats why i think its somewhat confusing to figure out who is on what side of this. The art of war, read it. It’s all about deception.

        • Hi Annie O; I think your so right ! Iran isn’t looking for war,anymore than Hitler and Germany declared war,it was judea that declared war on Germany ! The Zionist and the Globalist and the Jew owned banksters want it, for the power and greed! Most all of the people in the world don’t hate the people they (like us) hate their government. They like us have been psy-oped to believe what we hear from them and its all lies to make us and all people slaves, to the money makers. If we all don’t wake up, stand up and unite for the common good, and realize that “We The People” will be nothing left but mere words on apiece of paper or on a headstone,
          Do the best you can do to prepare yourself and loved ones ! Wish i had an answer?

          Were running out of time!!


          • Thinker: There are also Several websites that have the copies posted of the Exact Newyork times newspaper and various Other american And european, and UK newspapers Headlines.

            website= zioncrimefactory has actual Photo shots posted of every newspaper and years issued as Proof!
            along with detailed linked facts/documentation that Proves such massive Lies about WWII and holohoaxes etc. If of course you can Handle truth?

            From as Far back as 1895-to 1940’s, at Least SIX times since 1895 those newspapers ALL ran huge headlines which stated “Six Million Jews Dead! massive holocaust!”

            And several other but very similar headlines. Each time it was either 6 millin are dead already…OR were feard to SOON be dead! Every era and every paper and every headline stated “SIX Million” each time for a grand total of at LEAST Six seperate eras/time frames between 1895 till 1940 eras! 6 times!

            QUESTION for MSM devotes’?…Which headlines and eras/years was it ALL LIES?…Or are we to believe in a span of 45-50 yrs from 1895 to 1940 six million jews was killed by own govnts ALL six times?…For grand total of 36-Million dead jews?

            How is it posible when for centurys Prior and even Today there was NEVER more than aprox 13-14 Million jews alive worldwide at one time?!

            Newyork times newspapers: 13 million Can become 36 Million! and 2+2=22!! And all you duped americans and euro whiteys just keep believing whatever OUR jewspapers tells ya to!…Wake Up folks!

            • Bwahhahahahaha

            • Angelo; Thanks for the information,and everyone should look into it if you can handle the truth!! The thing that pisses me off is i have been so lied to my whole life about the truth and about history, that its inconceivable how we can repair the damage. At this point a geophysical event would probably be a blessing,because we don’t have the time to re-educate the masses.To think that if we just get rid of our evil president and government is going to fix anything is a joke,they are just “puppets” for the Zionist Globalist,Bankers that would sell their Mother for a nickle.(Although i doubt they even had one) they are pure evil!!

              I am prepared both mentally and physically for what is to come and i will do what ever i can to see my children and grandchildren will one day be free!


              • Thinker: You are so right. And remember while we may not ever know who their mothers are/were?…We Do Know who Their Father is! aka Satan the devil! Christ hisself said so as did them apostles too!

                Look at their evil Eyes. Just as christ said they are like whitewashed schepulars(above ground burials buildg’s) yet Inside are Filled with Darkness and the Bones of DEAD men!

                Ever look at photos of Wolfawitz?…His black devil eyes are scary! Pure evilness resides within their souls.

                Or how about Chertoffs eyes! Yeeeeooooo!!!

                ps I read that in russian chertoff=son of satan! not sure if does?…If yes? it Fits swell.

                Remember they can get nose jobs…But cannot hide them evil eyes! More like black beedy Rat eyes if you ever seen a rats eyes when rats in a corner etc.

                Thats reason wait to shoot till see whites of their eyes don’t apply for some enemys.

          • I have to admit the Z’s agenda scares the crap outta me. Noahide law states if Christians don’t renounce Christ and follow the 7 laws, punishment = decapitation via guillotine. I read somewhere that there are 30,000 of them stored away in Georgia. Look up Georgia HB 1274. God help us all if this is true. If your not aware Bush signed public law 102-14 stating that these 7 laws were the basis upon our Nation was founded. They technically can’t enforce these until they abolish the Constitution. We must protect it at all cost. They are trying there dead level best to do this. Not one more inch! And all these years we have been deceived and lied to, makes my blood boil. The devil is a liar. My only comfort is I know who ultimately wins this war. It just breaks my heart not knowing what my 2 daughters are going to be forced to endure in the future. Seriously folks we need a miracle. This sleeping giant needs to clear the crust from our eyes, we have been asleep far to long. It’s go time.

      60. fools, selling their arms for a f#@king walmart gift card! stupid,stupid, little sheeple have sold their souls to wal mart

      61. Hillary running for president in 2016? oh yeah its on the for it( you know she has a vendetta, and is power hungry it will not be to serve the people)

        if Obama has it his way he will be a Dictator by than, he’s already trying to change the rules on term limits..

        either way, and or either person is another huge mistake for this country..

        at that point our goose is cooked well done or burnt, what taste in your mouth do you like best?

        • Check out 2012 Election FRAUD! By Dems & Hobammy!
          FROM: website= northamericanlawcenter Dot Org.
          at top of site pg, click “actions” bar. for this info.

          Prima facie evidence exists as to violations of Federal Election Commission law regulating campaign finance concerning overseas donations from foreign entities, into national money laundering and online credit and debit card fraud, using foreign contributions from stolen card numbers to finance a presidential campaign. Hundreds of millions of dollars pouring into the Obama campaign from overseas donors and all of it in untraceable small denominations.

          Florida Fraud:
          1. Prima facie evidence exists as to violations of federal law governing a national election in the state of Florida. Florida banned observers from seeing the absentee ballots being opened and “there was no way to know whether the absentee ballots that were produced were the same ones that were opened, or if all the ballots were produced.”

          2. Prima facie evidence exists as to violations of federal law governing a national election in St. Lucie County, Florida. Out of 175,554 registered voters, 247,713 vote cards were cast in St. Lucie County, Florida on November 6, 2012.

          3. Prima facie evidence exists as to violations of federal law governing a national election in Broward County, Florida. Obama received over 99% of the vote in Broward County Precincts.

          Pennsylvania Fraud:
          1. Prima facie evidence exists as to violations of federal law governing a national election in Lehigh County, Pennsylvania. Up to 10 percent of the ballots cast at a
          polling station in Pennsylvania reverted to a default to give Barack Obama a vote no matter who the voter had selected. In Upper Macungie Township, near Allentown, Pa., Robert Ashcroft, an election auditor, observed the election software “change the selection back to default – to Obama.”

          2. Prima facie evidence exists as to violations of federal law governing a national election in Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania. 59 different Philadelphia voting divisions reported zero votes for Mitt Romney compared to Obama’s 19,605.

          Ohio Fraud:
          1. Prima facie evidence exists as to violations of federal law governing a national election in the state of Ohio. “In one county alone in Ohio, Obama received 106,258 votes where there were only 98,213 eligible voters. Two election judges were replaced after illegally allowing unregistered voters to cast ballots. More than 20 percent of registered Ohio voters weren’t eligible to vote. In two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeded the voting-age population. In 31 other counties, registration was above 90 percent of the population. Ohio voters who are NATIVE to SOMALIA were being given a slate card saying, “VOTE BROWN all the way down” – an apparent reference to the Democratic senator.

          2. Prima facie evidence exists as to violations of federal law governing a national election in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. Romney received zero votes in nine Cleveland precincts, and in one Cleveland precinct, Obama beat Romney 542 to 0. In more than 50 different precincts, Romney received two votes or less.

          3. Prima facie evidence exists as to violations of federal law governing a national election in Wood County, Ohio. Obama received 106,258 votes from 98,213 eligible voters – an impossible 108 percent of the vote.

          General Fraud:

          The votes of personnel in the United States military were unlawfully suppressed by the direct intervention of Barack Hussein Obama and the Secretary of Defense.

          Suppression of the conservative vote by sending bogus letters to Florida Republican voters telling them they are not registered to vote. Intimidation practices by Obama groups like the BLACK PANTHERS, and, promoting no-votes or 3rd party votes within the anti-Obama voting bloc.

          Many numerous methods of massive Democrat voter fraud exist, i.e. over 2 million new “temporary citizen” illegal alien voters via Executive Order; millions of DEAD and felon voters; temporarily moving Democrat voters across state lines to vote in swing states; foreign observers used to protect the fraudulent Democrat vote; duplicate voting by dual resident college students, and thousands of Somali refugee voters with DNC “interpreters” driving them to polls in Ohio; corrupted voting machines and vote counting with rigged voting machines via SEIU machine maintenance contracts; boxes of fraudulent paper ballots in the trunk of union official’s cars; and foreign contracts for vote counting in parts of Europe.

          Anything short of a full investigation will assure the American people that their best interests are no longer a concern of their representatives, and that said representatives are complicit in the most flagrant fraud ever perpetrated on the American citizens.

          Please govern your actions accordingly.
          Ms. Barbara Ketay
          Committee Chairman
          The North American Law Center
          P.O. Box 783 – Hermitage, TN 37076-0783

          • FROM: website= northamericanlawcenter Dot Org

            Introduction to the 2013 State Balance of Powers Act

            Due to a popular false assumption and assertion of supreme federal power subscribed to by all three branches of the U.S. Federal government today, but denied via the confines of the compact with the states and the people known as the U.S. Constitution, we assemble today to introduce a state-by-state measure designed to return the power of state governance to its constitutional place, the individual states and the people of the Sovereign Fifty States, recognizing the enumerated powers delegated to the U.S. government in Article I – Section 8 of the Constitution.

            Unlike the symbolic Tenth and Second Amendment Resolutions passed by numerous states over the last two years, which rhetorically reclaim but fail to actually reassert the rights of the individual states and the people, this State Balance of Powers Act aims to return constitutional power to the states by providing each state a streamlined legislative branch mechanism by which to neutralize any federal legislation, mandate or executive order which the state in its sole discretion, determines to be beyond the constitutional scope and enumerated powers delegated to the United States government via the U.S. Constitution, in accordance with the Tenth Amendment which states unequivocally –

            “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”


            The basic assault against the power of states to neutralize unconstitutional federal acts usually comes in the following forms…
            ◦“Andrew Jackson said shoot the first nullifier and hang the rest”
            ◦“States lost their sovereign rights when they lost the civil war”
            ◦The “supremacy clause” means the federal government reigns supreme
            ◦State Constitutions were voided by the US Constitution

            Yes, believe it or not, we have heard all of these attacks and then some. Here’s a diatribe from a Democrat state lawmaker whom we will leave unnamed… to protect the guilty.

            1) Pres. Jackson’s Presidential Proclamation of 1832, which declared nullification as treasonous:
            ” …incompatible with the existence of the Union, contradicted expressly by the letter of the Constitution, unauthorized by its spirit, inconsistent with every principle on which it was founded, and destructive of the great object for which it was formed .”

            2) The Force Act of 1833, which authorized Jackson to use force to compel obedience to the tariff laws. This is important because Presidential proclamations do not have the force of law unless endorsed by the Congress. SC then “nullified” the Force Act itself. A tariff compromise was eventually struck, but nullification was firmly rejected as unconstitutional doctrine. (IN OTHER WORDS, NULLIFICATION WORKED AND THERE IS NO RECORD OF NULLIFICATION BEING AMENDED OUT OF EXISTENCE)

            However, these statements are false, a perverted interpretation of history, not uncommon today.

            The simple response to all of them is this –

            To claim that the states do not have the right to void or nullify unconstitutional acts of the federal government is to suggest all of the following…
            ◦State sovereignty doesn’t exist
            ◦States’ rights don’t exist
            ◦The 9th and 10th Amendments don’t exist
            ◦The federal government is all-powerful, without restraint
            ◦The US Constitution is meaningless
            ◦State constitutions are meaningless
            ◦The Bill of Rights is meaningless
            ◦The Declaration of Independence is meaningless

            I can keep going here, but you get the point. How do the states which created the federal government for the sole purpose of serving the states and the people, hold the federal government within the confines of the Constitution or compact, without the power to void, nullify or otherwise reject the unconstitutional acts of the government they created for their own benefit?

            Contrary to popular belief, the states and people do not exist at the pleasure of the FED. The FED exists at the pleasure of the states and the people. Powers not delegated to the federal government are expressly reserved to the states and/or the people. When the federal government steps across this line, intruding into powers reserved to the state and the people, what should the states and people do about it?
            ANSWER=: 2013 Balance of Powers Act!

            Missippii is or Already Has Passed this bill!
            FROM: J.B.WILLIAMS, article at newswithviews site.

            Last week, the Mississippi State Legislature was the first to introduce The Balance of Powers Act currently sweeping across all state legislatures, in their effort to protect and preserve the rights of the State and the people currently under direct and extreme assault from their federal government

            BILL#= HB 490. Every State need pass this!

            GO READ the Fisrt site mentioned above top this post. It outlines the Entire bill to Stop out of control fed laws and Exec prez orders etc!…Awsome! it deals with welfare clause-Commerce Clause and More which Dems used the last 50+ yrs to screw us. Its ALL Unconstutionaly been done and This “Balance of Powers Act” FIXES it and Past abuse remedies too!

      62. Capitolism at its best. Wish I could have been there buying.

      63. If they wanted to get guns out of the hands of criminals why don’t they do a “guns for crack” buyback?

        Instead of destroying them, why don’t they demill them and with the proceeds from the parts sales, buy back more.

        Or the government could ship them to which ever middle eastern group they are backing that month.

        Or have the buy backs in eric holders garage, then the mexican cartel narco-terrorists can pick them up at their convenience.
        Collect a semi truck full, then they can bring them back after dropping off their goods and paying their protection money all in the same trip. Saves them time and fuel, and it’s good for the environment!

        feinstein can fondle them in the mean time, that way there would be no chance of them being stolen.

      64. Just when I was saying thank god I’m in texas… That’s not happening anywhere here any time soon…

      65. In the words of the A Team’s John ‘Hannibal’ Smith….”I love it when a plan comes together.”

      66. Its good to see you people sticking to your guns, Ill tell about things in my part of the world. A few years ago the govt wanted to do a revision on gun ownership and with the help of gun free organizations and liberal media they came up with all the same excuses as what you guys are currently hearing ( feels like dejavu), so govt came up with a scheme that those who had firearms on the old licence ( more like a permit to purchase ammunition for that particular firearm & to prove that one is the actual owner) had to apply for new weapons permits and that after a cut off date all the old licences would be invalid thereby making any possession criminal. Media immediately got to work by fanning the flame of fear of doing jail time for all those who did not comply and thousands of law abiding citizens simply surrendered their firearms knowing that because of the log jam in the system could never make the cut off date. I am not a criminal and refused to see my big stainless which i paid hard earned money go through a steel press so I held out & waited. Eventualy some wealthy hunting clubs pooled together and took govt to court and won, once again making the old licences valid but all the new firearms will be on the new permits, but the damage was done thousands of people who handed in their guns would never see them again (all destroyed). I recently went to a gunshop and liked the look of the gen4 Glock 34 but the process to get it besides the cost is so involved with interviews tests & home visits that it put me well off so ill just hold onto the big .44 besides even if I could afford to shoot a 100 rounds a day i would not wear it out before my Lords return not like some of the new plastic stuff I see

        • Where

        • Twobuckets: My favorite revolers are S&W Mod 29 Blued .44 Magnum. I got Two of them one an 4in for ccw carry. Also Colt Python .357 Magnums. Got them also and both my older model(1980?) .44 s&w and my colt python 4in (1984?) are the best ever with exalant triggers etc.

          The Rolls Royces of revolvers I think!

          ps ever try .44 Non magnum HP silver tips self defence ammo from federal ammo?…Man them .44 HP rnds are aluminum jacketed HP’s that Musroom out to size of a betwen a nickel and a quarter coin size!!

          I use a fired one as a Paper weight for Kit table notes etc!…You hit center mass with them and its game Over for Perps. And barly any recoil in heavey revolvers. I carry usually a Kimber .45 compact but sute love my revolvers. Less jams(none hardley) and probobly worth more weekly due to fears of gun bans.

          Them .44 mags are good all around weapons bar none. From alaskan bears to innercity bangers, all animals Fears a .44 mag rnd!

          The craftmanship is so wonderfull eh..Sometimes I take em out of safe just to admire the workmanship and blued finish…Wish I could paint a harly bike that shade of Blue! Gunblued Bright finish fenders and Tank!!!!! wow!

          • AM—Thought you lost all your guns in the lake! Trekker Out.

      67. $200 for assault rifles? Who in their right mind would give up a means of protection for pennies on the dollar? I commend the patriots of Seattle for thinking outside the box and getting a good deal on a weapon with no questions asked.

        Stay frosty, my friends. Do everything to the glory of Yahweh.

        “For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.”
        Romans 13:4

      68. BJ…Your comment about us military folks is just plain wrong!!! Many of us took our oath seriously!
        You should apologize!!!

        • Youre flying gunships over Miami and Houston firing blank machine guns.

        • The video I posted proves my statement to be correct. You want an appology from me? When I see you disobey an unconstitutional and unlawful order and go stand on the side of the people, I’ll not only appologize, but I’ll kiss your ass….until then you can kiss mine!

      69. Just sold 1000 rounds .223 for $500.00. Paid less than $300.00 for it. Boy, gun people are so stupid. But thier stupid is my gain. Thank you NRA for whipping up this irrational frenzy. I am laughing all the way to the bank.
        If the economy is so bad, where are these people getting their wads of cash? How many of them are on some sort of public assistance? Can’t help but wonder if some of these fools are depriving their children of adequate nutrition because they are throwing wads of cash away for a luxury and not an essential.
        Why is this site encouraging this irrational frenzy which only profits the gun and ammo industry and people like me who are willing to separate fools from their money?

        • You dont have a .223

          Were not stupid

        • Joe inNC

          Actually the gun people do something very interesting by and large they worked and invested. Seriously in my circles they all did very well financially. That’s what you get when you obey the law (as they do) and play by the rules. The facts from Florida speak volumes to that effect with over 2.3 million carry permits issued and 168 revoked for a crime committed in which a firearm was utilized. Discipline and planning can carry you pretty far.

          Please in the future let us know if your going to sell more ammo. By the way; why did you previously purchase 1000 rounds of .223 ammo?

        • Joe, I’ll bet you’re also smart enough to know that you can get killed by an unloaded gun, too. And that women shouldn’t need an AR-15t because a rifle is more accurate.

        • Joe couldn’t tell a .223 round from the dildo he has up his azz!!!!

      70. I hope they do a buy back in my area – I’d love to add a few guns to my collection

      71. @oldfart, re: Yer ‘sticky bolt’ Mosin. If you or anyone else have one that does it, stay away from lacquer coated ammo (Hotshot brand?) and make sure all dried cosmoline is out of the chamber. sometimes there may be a burr in the chamber, also. I know this fromm personal experience. haha.

        also check to see if the extractor may be bent. (the main site is excellent for info on all types of old bolt action rifles!)

      72. As I read crap like this, I canonly conclude there are at least groups laughing their ass off. One group is the gun and ammo industry because they know there will be no gun ban of any type, but they are taking you morons for your money. Anothe group is big business. You fuckheads are indebting yourselves out of an irrational fear so you will be forced to take whatever paltry job at meager wages they dain to offer you idiots because you will become desparate for money since you foolishly spent it on guns and ammo. The third group is the Oboma administration. He new you folls would react with fear and irrationality when he made his proposals, knowing full well thay would not pass. But, he made you fools look like fools. I guess he may be a little smarter than you gave him credit for.
        BTW, I just saw a case of .223 for sale for $900.00. Further evidence you people are fools and the ammo industry is playing you for fools. I, however, will sell another case I have stockpiled for $850.00. Any takers?

        • Why have you “stockpiled” so much ammo? Why do you traffic in ammo?

        • JinNC. You talk about stupid! You know that case of 223 that you sold for $500, well that’s the case that you saw for sale at $900. Somebody is stupid alright! Got any idea who that might be? Trekker Out. Honor Few and Fear None!

        • Joe, I’ve seen cases of ammo at the shows with $1000 price tags on them, too. No one is buying at that price. The dealers are getting chewed out for trying, in fact.

      73. HA HA!

        *Nelson from the Simpsons*

      74. Another plan gone wrong. Wish they would havea gun buy back here in Utah. But as luck would have it nobody would turn them in.

        Help us fight the cause of Liberty. We love James Rawles @ We still believe in the oath we took.

      75. LOL

        Beauty, eh.

      76. We’re the only country in the world that has a second amendment. We’re the envy of the world and we are throwing it all away.

      77. A.M thankyou for your input on the 44 & sorry for late reply due to time zones I have learnt to trust my .44 I know it wont let me down with jammings, I can speedload as fast as any mag my target acquisition is good day or night. I know the limitations like 6 rounds but I can load variety hp sjhp flat nose including shot and 44 special. amongst all the disadvantages The one advantage is that I can spend all my energy & training in getting very good with the one I have . I do my fitness training with my 44 in mind IE doing pushups on my fists strengthens my wrists & forearm therefore improving recovery time, I know my balistics & bullet characteristics what it can & can’t do. I often read on this site people making references to the Spartans they too were men like us and had to train with the the weapons they had normaly a fighting spear, a close quarter combat sword and a shield in these days the modern fighting man neads a rifle and a pistol. My 44 has just got to be both 200 & 20 yard & so far the persians havnt come yet

      78. notjoeinnc

        “Martinez: A forever foray into the world of guns”

        “I am going to buy a gun.

        I want one for personal security. I live in rural Orange County, and, despite the excellence of the sheriff’s deputies working my area, I figure the response time to a 911 call could be as long as 10 minutes. That, literally, could mean a lifetime.”

        that response time could mean a lifetime
        or it could mean a life !!!

      79. If a gun was good enough for a collector to want, I bet most pawn shops would have given them more then the gift card value.

        • That bill should be in every state’s legislative process right now!!!!!

      80. The owner of this site must be a stooge for gun and ammo industry. He is helping to perpetuate the fear mingering which is leading to panic buying which in turn is leading to skyrocketing prices. These skyrocketing prices are going to price many Americans out of their right to defend themselves. On second thought, he is in the pocket of the elite who are trying to price average Americans out of their right to defend themselves. Soon, only the rich elite will be able to purchase the means to defend themselves. It is then that the rich elite will move against those whom they have priced out of the right to defend themselves. How much are you receiving from the rich elite to masquerade as the champion of the people but in reality are acting as a tool of oppression?

      81. JoeinNC

        You are 100% correct. Both Clinton and Obama set forth policies that created panic buying. The power elite own investments in gun companies as both of these Presidents do also.

        These two Presidents have been responsible for the greatest civilian arms sales ever. They learned from Clinton and they had Obama repeat it.

        Your ability to see through the fog is inspiring; truly brilliant!

        • Kevin, do you really know what JinNC said, don’t be blinded by the fog. Trekker Out. Semper Paratus!

      82. Bombshell: *Rod Class gets FOURTH Administrative Ruling “Gov’t Offices are Vacant”- All Gov’t Officials are “Private Contractors”
        Submitted by The South on Sun, 10/14/2012 – 18:25
        Politics, General + Law(s)
        Yes, you read that correctly; it is true, and is now on the court record; black ink on white paper. Please read on:

        *****Rod Class has now received FOUR Administrative Rulings that prove what many of us have felt to be truth: What you think is government; what you think are legitimate Government Officials/Senators/Congressman/Policeman/Governors/Tax Collectors, etc. are nothing more than private contractors, extorting money from American Citizens and failing to pay off the public debt as they are instructed to do by the 1933 bankruptcy.

        What they have done is this:

        These people have switched places with the average American Citizen. They are enforcing their own Administrative codes, that are only meant for THEM, upon regular Citizens who are not being paid by the corporation. The supposed elected officials have hoodwinked the country into an employment position without pay. They themselves are taking public money to occupy government seats/positions/agencies, when they are nothing more than private contractors … Felony!

        They are treating us as if we are paid government employees; enforcing their own internal rules-regulations-codes, and statutes on the average Citizen, as well as conveniently forgetting to send us our weekly/monthly government employment check.

        I’ve been preaching this for the last year + with no avail on this forum. Perhaps now, people will begin to listen and take action.

        In these radio shows, Rod explains his Administrative Rulings from the various Judges; explains the con, and shows you, where in their very own US Codes the above aforementioned information is spot on.

        There are a few shows you need to listen to, and here are some bullet points of those shows:

        1. All BAR attorneys are prohibited from representing John Q. Public; can only represent gov’t officials and employees within their own agencies, their BAR Charter says so.

        2. Any Judge that prohibits you from representing yourself or hiring a defense other than a BAR attorney, are in fact, committing a felony on the bench in violation of the Taft-Hartly Act (running a closed union shop) and the Smith Act (overthrow of Constitutional form of Gov’t)

        3. Anytime an BAR attorney represents someone in a case against you, you can now claim that person is incompetent; a ward of the state, with no standing to sue.

        4. Any and all tax collectors, police officers, sheriffs dept’s, DOT, tag agencies, BAR attorneys, Judges, Highway Patrol, supposed elected officials, are nothing more than private contractors, who can now be brought up on fraud charges for impersonating a public official while receiving federal funding.

        5. Any and all home, vehicle, credit card loans are supposed to be discharged through the Treasury window, in compliance with the 1933 bankruptcy laws. These scumbags are double dipping and never discharging the debt like they are supposed to. They are embezzling the funds and pocketing them for themselves.

        **Admin Edit — Comment shortened — please follow the link(s) below to continue reading**

        As I’ve been saying for a very long time on this forum: If you are not getting a weekly or monthly paycheck from the so called federal government aka UNITED STATES or one of it’s sub corporations such as the STATE OF ***, then their statutory rules (not laws), codes and regulations DO NOT APPLY TO YOU ……… Period!

        Bombshell: Rod Class gets FOURTH Administrative Ruling “Gov’t Offices are Vacant”- All Gov’t Officia

        Bombshell: Rod Class gets FOURTH Administrative Ruling “Gov’t Offices are Vacant”- All Gov’t Officia
        A lot of us have been exposing the crime of the UNITED STATES corporation for many years, but until

      83. “…they’d be giving us a tax break for gun safes.” Oh YEA!! That’s what I’m talking about! Then I can expand my collection! Yesss.

      84. How many of the guns that were turned in were stolen?

      85. I tried this in Tampa this morning. Knowing how much of a police state Tampa is, I brought my small keychain video camera to record the imminent confrontation. Right on cue, I had a deputy intimidate, threaten, and harass me – telling me I was “obstructing a lawful event”. That worked on all the other sign waivers, but when I refused to back down, the deputy disappeared – and the seeing his bluff called, the other buyers returned with their signs. It’s sickening to see how these cops abuse their “authority” status by illegally intimidating citizens. It is funny to see how the deputy was unprepared for someone who didn’t immediately lick his boots…

      86. Great to see more proof of the Spirit of America, Mac!

        Bill Stevens, Father of a fifth grade daughter in Newtown, CT. schools, steals the show at the Jan. 28th Gun Violence Prevention Working Group Public Hearing.

      87. More people are killed every year with hammers than assault weapons. Washington, DC and London, England are about the same size and with the strict firearms controls in London, there were TWICE the violent assaults in London than in DC. Switzerland gives every person a firearm and teaches them how to use it. Crime rates are so low in Switzerland they are almost impossible track.
        Data is Data. Facts are Facts. Idiot politicians with their own agendas which dont even come close to mirroring the wishes of their constituents are Idiots. Australia has reached such an epidemic in violent crimes since their gun take over legislation took effect, the police dont have a clue how they are going to protect the public.
        AND, if you read the writings of the founding fathers you will definitively find they MEANT for the people to be armed to protect them from AN OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT!
        There was no need to give then a right to have a weapon to put food on the table. The people already had that right. The Second Amendment was a guarantee the people could forever be able to protect themselves and their families.

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