Americans’ Income Drops Most in Twenty Years

by | Oct 20, 2011 | Headline News | 107 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    Yet again the real data confirms what most of us already know: the U.S. economy is in serious trouble.

    One look at this chart and you’ll understand what we mean.

    Via Zero Hedge:

    One place where nominal and real income data can absolutely not be fudged is the Social Security Average Wage Index based on withholding data reported by employers, particularly the median wage, whose nominal change can then be extrapolated in real terms using CPI to create a chained series. And here is where things get messy: as John Lohman demonstrates in the chart below, real income based on median wages, dropped (in real terms) by 1.2% – the biggest year over year slide in over 20 years of data…

    What we are seeing is a perfect storm of horrendous economic data on almost all fronts. Manufacturing costs are up, essential basic goods have skyrocketed in price over the last three years, and more people are left unemployed every single month than the month before. The New York Times reports that gloom has gripped the U.S. consumer:

    The United States has a confidence problem: a nation long defined by irrational exuberance has turned gloomy about tomorrow. Consumers are holding back, businesses are suffering and the economy is barely growing.

    There are good reasons for gloom — incomes have declined, many people cannot find jobs, few trust the government to make things better — but as Federal Reserve chairman, Ben Bernanke, noted earlier this year, those problems are not sufficient to explain the depth of the funk.

    That has led a growing number of economists to argue that the collapse of housing prices, a defining feature of this downturn, is also a critical and underappreciated impediment to recovery. Americans have lost a vast amount of wealth, and they have lost faith in housing as an investment.

    They lack money, and they lack the confidence that they will have more money tomorrow.
    Many say they believe that the bust has permanently changed their financial trajectory.

    The paradigm is shifting, and there is no turning back. The jobs bill won’t save us. More stimulus won’t save us. The worthless, counterproductive actions of our elected representatives have failed miserably – likely even made things worse.

    The economic situation of this nation is dire. We’re well outside of short-term cyclical downturn territory here. There will be no meaningful growth 18 months from now, as this is not a recession. We’re talking deep depression levels of economic inactivity that may potentially span decades.

    This may not sound feasible to some, but just look at history for guidance to put the reality of the situation into perspective. When paradigms shift, the reverberations affect some generations for their entire lifetimes. Many people will not be able to make the adjustment, and they may very well end up living the remainder of their lives in poverty and squalor. Simply look to recent historical accounts of the multi decade periods in which we saw the German Wiemar hyperinflation, the Great Depression in the U.S., and the countless examples of generational poverty throughout the world in just the last 100 years. It has happened before. It will happen again.

    Thus, when we discuss the ‘preparedness’ and ‘self reliant’ lifestyles, we’re not just talking about stockpiling supplies. Yes, this will be critical in getting you through the crunch – a term James Rawles, author of Patriots and Survivors, used to describe a period of economic collapse and political upheaval. But what will you do when we come out the other side – during what we might call the period of ‘reconstruction.’

    It is time now to make the psychological, intellectual, spiritual, occupational and physical adjustments that will prepare you to live in a paradigm where the world as we know it today does not exist.

    The alternative was best summed up recently by Kerry Lutz of the Financial Survival Network:

    There are people who are still connected to the old one and can’t conceive of life without that old paradigm. I think you saw that in the Great Depression. A lot of people never recovered from it because once that hit it was the end of their lives.

    You can embrace the changes and accept them as the new paradigm – or, you can bury your head in the sand and pretend you live in a magical utopia. The consequences of maintaining the latter as your world view will severely impact your quality of life for years to come – so choose wisely.


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      1. Mclovin

        I’m from Buenos Aires and I say kill ’em all!!!

        • RICH 99

          The only Good Bug is a Dead One

          • Claymation

            Heinlein Rocks!!!

            • Mclovin

              3 words: Johnny ‘effing Rico!

            • Claymation

              Do you apes wanna live forever!

            • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

              Damn straight! TANSTAAFL!

            • Beefcake

              Anyone who clings to the historically untrue- and thoroughly immoral- doctrine that ‘violence never solves anything’ I would advise to conjecture up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking as its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.

        • Iowa

          The Constitution defends and protects Life. Commie.

      2. Gods Creation

        This quote from the Silver Bear Cafe says it all

        The average daily wage for Americans, has gone from about $28 in 1964 to about $152 in 2010, whereas in gold it has fallen from just short of 60% of an ounce of gold in 1964 to just 12.67% of an ounce of gold in 2010. Gold is telling us that people are now earning much less money than they did in 1964, whereas the dollar is telling us just the opposite. Which measure is telling the truth? Duh! Abolish the Federal Reserve.

        • Iowa

          End the Fed. Ron Paul 2012.

          DONT TREAD ON ME

          • sanityjones

            End it all.

        • Giurza

          Ok folks, if I could, I would bolden this post. the so called conspiracy theory is finally proven to be absolutely right. we, the preppers, always thought that NWO and the like is lurking around and pulling strings. well, now you can confront any nay sayer!!!!
          this has been proven scientifically

          Mac, you should do a separate article on this one, I think this is very big step towards unmasking those MF who run the world!

          • admin

            good article Giurza.

            • Giurza

              well, we always knew that! what actually freaked me was the fact that this went mainstream! well maybe not global, but it was allowed to go into publicity. you can see in the end that they try to downplay “conspiracy” part in the fact, but we all know what that means.
              this is terrible…
              they are not God though, so in the end they still bleed 😀 and they still require food… and their power is there as long as we, the people, give em that! as long as we believe in colourful paper slips, that’s what we get…

      3. eric

        I can’t see how anybody that makes only 10-12 dollars an hour can even afford to have an apartment let alone anything else. Hell food is so damn expensive its not sustainable. with everyone on food stamps and racial wars rich against poor its going to get violent. gas is so expensive, insurance to drive is unreal, everything does not look good, there will be a chain reaction of events very soon going to happen.

        • Sandy

          Insurance to drive, house insurance, medical insurance,
          life insurance…
          I agree with the chain reaction of events to happen soon, but I was convinced of it back in 2008, was totally prepared back then, my food’s getting dusty.

          • Claymation

            Ahh, but you have food 🙂 They kicked the can into the future in 2008 and many times since! Not sure how many kicks this can has. It is all rusty and full of dents! Glad you are prepared Sandy.

            • Sandy

              Thank you, more mentally & spiritually than monetarily.

        • Aussie Bloke

          $10 – $12 an hour?? I don’t understand. Is this the minimum wage in America? That seems very low for a minimum wage. Last time I looked here in Aussie, the minimum wage was $16 or $17 an hour. The last time I got $10 an hour, I was mowing lawns after school and that was 20 years ago!!!

          • Plain Old American

            That made me laugh.

            I remember clearing weeds from firebreaks in the hills of southern California when I was a kid. We got paid $1.25 an hour. My first job pumping gas I made $1.35 and then working in a circuit board mfg company I got $1.65.

            Of course gas was under $0.30 a gallon, cheeseburgers at McDonalds were $0.18 and cigarettes were about a quarter.

      4. Jim

        IF government was for the people, its treasury would issue silver and gold backed “dollars” right now. Not the crazy 5 ounce silver coins that are $.25 in face value but the opposite. A 1 ounce silver $100 or even $200 coin would be a true asset to the people holding it. Face value in case of deflation and precious metal in case of inflation. Our “Federal Reserve” issued $4 trillion in paper over the last 3 years so let the Govt issue a couple of hundred billion to the masses for survival.

        • Anonymous

          Those are some of the ugliest coins ever made. Didn’t realize they were actually “coins” (real money). Bank tellers will be confused again!

      5. Handy

        Gee, ya think?

      6. Gods Creation

        A clean and loving soul never lives in poverty. The reality is the the so-called elite are the poorest of people on this Earth.

        The question we must all ask ourselves is not how much we need, it is how little we can get by with and retain our health and sanity.

        • JJ

          No, GC…I refuse to accept that attitude..and all here should strive for what God gave us..all liberties to achieve what WE need; the right to work for what WE need, and if that’s a great house, a great yard, a great car, a great education, a great vacation house…whatever, and even if it’s just being satisfied with paying utilities, rent, and buying groceries, WE SHOUILD NOT ACCEPT ANY LESS.(caps for emphasis only)

          • Gods Creation

            You have every right to work as hard as you want to to get the things you want. Whatever it may be.

            On the other hand, once you obtain the things you need, everything else is just wanting things you can live quite well without. Advertising works.

            God gave us life, nothing more. God did not give you a big house and a great yard and a car, nor did he give you the right to them. Work hard for the corp and you can buy them from it. It will even let you use them as long as you follow it’s rules.

            I would much rather work a little bit and have a small house with food to eat than to work 60 or 70 hours a week and have a large house and commitments to the corp.

            It’s all what you want out of life. If you are still looking for the latest gadgets, or the biggest and best of everything, you will waste your life trying to obtain them.

            People will again live simple lives that put them closer to Mother Earth and nature. One might be amazed to find out how good life can be just by releasing yourself from the stress of the corporate grind.

            • Nexus789

              More religious mumbo jumbo. Okay mutter away to you imaginary friends and the rest of us will try and live through what is an earthly and man made problem.

            • JJ

              Gadgets?? What are you talking about?? I don’t get haircuts, leave the waterheater down to save money, live in one room and kitchen to save heating and cooling..but I still reserve that God gives EVERY human on this earth the right to pursue what makes them happy–if it’s a damn big house and landscaped yard, or a yacht—then so be it..noone should EVER have to ASK for what they work for or feel they owe it to anyone to justify why they have what they have…that again is a right…yes, it’s a right —the right of liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whatever that entails. It’s none of anyone’s
              business and OWNING THINGS IS NO SIN..but coveting is!!!!
              Advertising?? I don’t evern have tv—who are you trying to make a point with–cause it sure isn’t me.
              OMG–because I listen to radio each day, I’m gonna run right out and grab that insurance, or new drug or the latest new car???
              There are those who don’t even work that have big houses–none I know—but I have read about them so every situation isn’t about the corp.

        • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

          Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving individual. Time to do our own housecleaning here; there are plenty from both parties that deserve the same fate.

          • Gods Creation

            Obama deserves it more….

          • ninaorket

            Wow… quadaffy duck has done more for his peple than any of our BANK PWNED prez’s have for us since 1913… ignorance is no excuse… he was a poor boy living in a tent – done good! went from being a enlisted man in a cruel cia controlled dictators army who was enslaving and destroying his own people an country to get rich – too taking charge becoming prez an being a major global oil player and bringing about great economical changes to all peoples and colors of libya and africa! not to mention built great water projects etc etc, free college as far as you desired EVEN TO DOCTOR LEVEL, free farms , free equipement/ seed , free homes/ apts, free medical, dental and a VALUE based CURRENCY CENTRAL BANK! REAL MONEY! etc etc
            quadaffy duck made his own mother and father live in their tribal tents till other poor folks had an apt!

            all you haters out there might wanna turn off the BOOB TUBE , put down the remote and read a book once in a while! Or has american education gotten so bad you struggle still reading your kids green eggs and ham!

            amerika is the scumbag here… amerika is the nwo global enslaver here , AMERIKA IS THE NEW NAZI’S HERE BENT ON GLOBAL new world order – one fiat bank cartel global DOMINATION THROUGH KILLING AND TERRORIZING WOMEN AND CHILDREN! JUST CAUSE THEY’RE DIFFERENT! Every man and woman now wearing an american uniform is nothing more than BABY KILLERs! MurDERERS ONE AND ALL! they’re all accessory’s to murder!

            be proud of your baby killers amerika – they kill children very well indeed! “I support our troops” killing and fire bombing children- burning children and women alive! don’t you??? forcing women and children into the global sex trade by companies such as haliburton and kbr… gawd bless amerika! and the freedoms = slavery she is spreading across the world in the name of democracy = fascism!

            I am an Veteran and did my time! an speak from real world experience… amerika is no better than china or russia!

            pull your heads out of your stinky pie holes amerika!

            arm up stock up prepare!

            preditor or prey the choice is yours!

        • BJ

          that’s too bad, he wasn’t what out govt and media made him out to be at all

        • US Marines

          Hi KY Mom,

          Excellent video!

          Thanks for posting this.

          I have spent an enourmous amount of time re-educationg myself on how the Financial System of the world really works (its history, the institutions and individuals) and how the Shadow Gov’t has really taken complete control of the US, but I had not seen this concise explaination of the strategy they have in fact been utilizing.

          Given that the extremely wealthy few, but morally bankrupt elite are trying to subjucate all of mankind for our “own good”, and is their goal, there still has to be a general strategy to undertake such a global coup. Although they may not have ever heard of these priciples this KGB agent talks about, it is in fact the strategy that is being carried out.

          This is where #OWS is completely missing the mark. They think that the greed of wallstreet is the problem, the corruption of gov’t is the problem, the dysfuctional courts are the problem, etc, etc, etc,.

          Although they are a problem, they are not the main drivers, those systemic issues are only the manifestation of the tactics being employed to carry out the strategy of global subjugation.

          The main problem is the hidden identities and pyschotic beliefs/actions of the wealthy few that are actually orchestrating the down fall of America,….and every other country.

          Its just like having your car fixed,.. you can do all the tunes-up you want, you can change the oil every other day, you can wax it every morning, but if you have a flat tire, none of those “fixes” will do a damn thing to correct the actual problem.

          Until the REAL problem get addressed, which is exposing the actual people behind the “Shadow Gov’t”, the organsations they act thru, their crimes, and removing their wealth and influence, we will NEVER stop them,.. we may delay them a bit, but we will not stop them.

          So thank you again, you have given me their pyscotic version of “Sun Tzu” warfare philosophy and have filled in one of the missing pieces on how this global destruction is being carried out. This is one of the key elements to know if we are to succeed in slowing them down, exposing them, stopping them, and then holding them accountable for their Crimes Against Humanity!

          Thank you again KY Mom.

          JD – US Marines – Fighting to stop tyranny and treason here in America

          • KY Mom

            US Marines,

            You are welcome.

            I have to admit…this really scares me!

            KY Mom

            • ninaorket

              wow… ky jelly mum… ‘0)

              great vid… many thanx

              I suggest if you can afford it ya all buy… .308 hunt rifles… learn to use em’… 2000 rounds and body armour/ helmets, gas masks!

     has great deals.

              Got mine!

              They only way we’ll survive this is by the same way as the 3% colonists did – Guerilla Warfare Style… shot scoot and run… wear em’ down over time! Be prepared to displace if necessary to survive… Oh Boy this is Gonna Be Great!!! ‘0P psssszt!

              arm up stock up prepare
              preditor or prey the choice is yours!

            • KY Mom


              I am not sure what the “ky jelly” comment is about.
              There is no need to be rude!

              Yes, this does scare me. It should scare everyone! It also saddens me when I think about the future for my children and grandchildren.

              We do have guns & ammo…my husband served in the military. I am no where near as good as him in that area…but I am learning & practicing.

              KY Mom

          • Gods Creation

            What you fail to realize is that the root of the problem is not the few wealthy elite, or their master plans.

            They succeed for one reason only. They have hijacked control of the money supply. Until that is resolved, they will continue to succeed.

            The constitution requires money of substance, and it has been replaced by private debt currency under the control of these so=called elite.

            All it will take to win the war is to remove that power, but the People will have to force that to happen. Unfortunately, there are few who realize what the problem is.

        • BoulderCreeker

          This was one of the most amazing videos I have seen! Thank you for posting it!

          • KY Mom


            You are welcome! 🙂

            KY Mom

        • JJ

          Ixquick(don’t use google here)..Communism 1963 Goals Read In Senate

          They are almost complete–not many points left to achieve..they have worked diligently to transform this nation to communism..even infiltrating the Congress with dual citizens and communist goals.
          Check it out.

          • KY Mom

            “Socialism is the prelude or ‘intermediate step’ towards communism… according to the Communist Manifesto written in 1848 by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.”

            Here are the Communists Goals For America as discovered by, and published by the United States Congress in 1963. If you have never read them, you should.

            Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

            1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

            2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

            3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

            4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

            5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

            6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

            7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

            8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

            9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

            10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

            11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

            12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

            13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

            14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

            15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

            16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

            17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

            18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

            19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

            20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

            21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

            22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

            23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

            24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

            25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

            26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

            27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

            28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

            29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

            30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

            31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

            32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

            33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

            34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

            35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

            36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

            37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

            38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

            39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

            40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

            41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

            42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.

            43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

            44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

            45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

            Note by (Rense) Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet.

            It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them. Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records. Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter. You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point.

            Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library.

            Sources are listed below.

            Microfilm: California State University at San Jose Clark Library, Government Floor Phone (408) 924-2770 Microfilm Call Number: J 11.R5

            Congressional Record, Vol. 109, 88th Congress, 1st Session Appendix Pages A1-A2842 Jan. 9-May 7, 1963 Reel 12

          • Nexus789

            Gullible – the US not being trashed by some ‘picko’, ‘commy’, ‘socialist’ plot. It is being done from within by the corporate elites that own the apparatus and political system of the US State.

            Wall Street and the large corporations have done a massive asset stripping job on the US and moved production and value off shore and pocketed massive profits in doing so – they have kept these profits by reducing the tax rate – so while they get richer the average person gets poorer and poorer. This has provided jobs for Indians, Chinese, Taiwanese and anyone else that can do work cheaper than a US worker. Falling for the ‘reds under the beds’ bullcrap is so funny.

            If you think incomes are declining now you wait for a dollar collapse as this will increase the cost of everything inside the US – food, transport, energy, etc, and with costs rising against declining incomes society will become unhinged.

            • uncleopal

              Yes, the new meme to divide citizens seems to be that “commies and socialists wanting to take over”. Reality is that “the crazies” have hijacked any semblance of sanity or humanity in our foreign policy. Corruption, justice and downright treason is a mockery.

              Reality is that the softy OWS movement is being tolerated because it poses no real threat (and is being directed). Only after us real patriot men and women take strong action will there be a chance of reforms. If we still stand by then.

      7. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

        How’s that “hope and change” working out for you? Lets hope we can make it one more year until we can change out one worthless politician for another worthless politician who will not change the status quo one bit.

      8. Claymation

        The pace in which the government continues to spend is just unsustainable! They want to give those on Social Security a raise. OK, I can live with that, they paid in and are expecting to get something back. But, many of these other programs are just sucking the life blood out of America, and the government’s answer, print more money, ignore the deficit, keep sending money over seas to counties that hate us these countries are like the weird Uncle that no one really talks about and shows up only when he needs something and it is usually money. Sorry for the rant, but is fiscally responsible government to much to ask for. Rant off now. Peace Clay

        • Hi

          A 3.6% increase in nothing when the real inflation rate is more like 12% according John Williams which uses the Gov owns 1980’s measurements! If one has 401K you need to make at least 12% just to match inflation. Good luck and may God speed.

        • caryn

          the social security raise is nothing more than another sucking sound – most if not all or more of the raise will be taken back for medicare… so basically, they are at the printing press again trying to keep those on social security from rioting.

          • Claymation

            Have you seen all the new AARP commercials, threatening congress?

      9. spodie

        What is the best storage for rice and beans. I see everyone buying the big bags and splitting them up. I am buying the smallest bags and storing them in sealed 5 gal buckets. I thought the bagged food was stored with some type of gas that keeped it fresh. Also, portion wise doesnt it make sence to store in smaller portions so you only open and cook what you need. A small bag of rice can feed a lot of people. I have a well, should I spend money and time on containers of water or time and money on a power source for the well.I need alittle help, Thanks.

        • Claymation

          The first thing I do is put the in the freezer for 2 weeks to kill any bugs or parasites in them. Them I vacuum seal them with an oxygen absorber in a Mylar bag Then into a food safe seal-able 5 gallon bucket with another oxygen absorber in that. Should last 4ever. Hope that helps. Clay

          • Just me

            You really do not have to freeze if you store in an oxygen free container, lack of oxygen will kill any hitch hikers.

            • Claymation

              Really, I hadn’t heard that. Thanks for the info.

        • Just me

          I use the orange 5 gal buckets and lids from HD, put mylar bag inside, fill with 36 pounds of rice,I use four 500cc oxey absorbers scattered thru the rice, squeeze out all the air out of the mylar that I can and seal the mylar bag with a regular flat iron.Put the lid on and store in a cool,dry place, should be good to eat for 20-30 years, longer if we’re still around and hungry.

          • spodie

            Dont you have to open that container to use the rice? doesnt that compromise the whole thing?

            • Just me

              when you open it, you’ll probably use it til it’s gone in a few months, if not just toss in a few more oxeygen absorbers and re seal it.

            • 1happycountrymom

              You have containers for long term storage and containers for daily use.
              I always flash freeze for 48 hours, no bugs ever……..

            • caryn

              buying the “big” bags of rice and beans is a whole lot cheaper than buying the little bags. buying the “big” cans is also cheaper.

        • Gods Creation

          Why buy water from a finite source when you can install a solar powered pump and have as much as you need no matter what happens?

          But I think you knew that already.

          • Sandy

            I didn’t, relying on the generator to run the pump.
            Will only last as long as the gas does. Where do you get
            a solar pump? I’ve tried to find a hand pump but the well is 280 ft. Hand pump may or may not work. Expensive to try not knowing for sure. Any advise?

            • Red Leader


              Our pump is set near that depth and our solar pump will pump 3,000 gallons a day in the summer with a dual axis tracker. The key is to have a large water tank(s) for storage as the pump puts out only 5 gpm. It automatically shuts off when the tanks are full.

              The two best brands are Lorentz and Grundfos. Just google “Solar Water Pumping”. Grundfos is unique in that they have a model (SQ Flex) that you can hook up both solar power and wind power to the same pump at the same time. You must use a Southwest Wind Power turbine. You can also do just stand alone solar. Lorentz has an option to hook up an ICE generator to their pump.

              I believe that if one plans that the grid will always be up and running to deliver your water and take away your sewage, there is a significant possibility of plan failure.

          • spodie

            you are correct, I am changing my way of thinking, I am putting more time and money into things like indoor gardening and dependable alternative energy. I think ill keep enough water on hand to sustain life for a short period of time and focus on a good supply of water for longer periods. There is one thing I know for certain- I am a whole lot better off since i realized whats going on around me, prepping has been a very healthy thing for me and my family,

          • Red Leader

            We put our well and solar pump on top of a hill near our ranch house. We only have to pump it once. The tanks are next to the pump. Gravity gives us 50 psi at the house. No need to have additional solar for a pressure tank and no need to heat a pressure tank building. Everything is 3 feet underground with frost free hydrants.

            The math is .43 pounds of pressure for every foot of elevation.

            • Claymation

              Thank goodness we have a gravity run spring, Clean it out a few times a year, scatter the silt I clean out in my garden, the plants love it. If I give away anything to my neighbors after the SHTF it will be potable water. Clay

        • Iowa

        • Sam not sam

          Everything said above/below ( not sure where this post will show up ) is correct.
          I use the Food Saver Vacuum system. I divide large bags of rice into 2 LB ( 20 serving ) units and put it into the 8 x 10-12 vacuum bags and suck the air out / seal them. I also put a Oxy. Absorber in, although it is overkill and not really needed ( but it makes me feel better ). I store them in a cool, dark place that is easily accessible to me. Use white rice, brown, although healthier, does not store as long because of the higher oil content ( I think that is why ). I also stick the bags in the freezer overnight, again, not needed in a vacuum, but it makes me feel better. ( I like feeling better 😉 )

        • Archivist

          Check out David Sarti’s channel (dsarti1) on youtube. He has a video explaining that oxygen absorbers are basically nothing but iron filings that rust, thus pulling out oxygen. You can make oxygen absorbers and not have to buy them. He has the most entertaining prep videos on the internet.

      10. rachel

        if we went back to gold and silver based currency we would actually revert back to pre 1964 wages as well. one ounce of silver is running about 40 on ebay. that’s the true market rate.

        if we made a new silver dollar that was exactly one ounce of silver it would be worth 40 fiat dollars. We would need to remove all fiat out of cirrculation for this to work.

        in 1964 my grandfather worked for eastmen kodak for 70 dollars a week. milk was 10 cents a gallon. This would be the new wage and prices for today.

        min wage would drop to 35 cents an hour. the silver would buy so much more than fiat dollars it can still be a dollar.

        don’t need a 40 dollar silver coin, just base everything on the value of silver and gold. then issue new dollars backed by PM.

        so todays wages would be less but would expenses.

        but most importantly the PM backed currency would stablize the economy and stop the bleeding.

        • Jim

          Rachel our government could ( won’t ) issue it’s own PM backed dollars. If done today it’d have no impact on the fiat currency and would be just another form of it. Being PM backed they could even get away with a ” collector ” like notion for several years until people realized….hey I think that $100 coin would be better then a piece of paper that says ” note” on ot. A variety of gold and silver coins would even raise money for the govt….putting off the inevitable.

          • Claymation

            Let’s not forget that no one outside the US government has seen the gold in Fort Knox sine 1974, I believe it was. Many speculate there is none anymore. I’m sure you knew that, just throwin it out there.

            • Jim

              Read the stories about Ford Knox being empty and America having no precious metal assets. Then I saw another “report” suggesting they have $750 billion worth in Jan. 1, 2011 figures of gold and silver too – so who knows. The fact is they can get it if they want it. There are 300 million Americans’ (roughly) and issuing a $1000 each worth of precious metal backed money is 7.5% of what was printed for the banks and such over the last 3 years. I don’t think that escalation in money supply would kill us – particularly if it wasn’t a fed reserve note but a United States Dollar with precious metals attached.

            • JJ

              I read that someone?? was allowed in to check the gold contents..went to ONE room(that could have been fake or shuttled in for that day??), said, that’s cool, checked off all was well..end of story.
              Can you say ‘payoff’???

            • caryn

              saw a documentary last week about fort knox and the gold. the last person allowed in to “see” the gold was ronald reagan…forty something years ago. since then, there has been a continual build up of security upon layer of security….according to stories told by now retired employees there is no gold. so, if no gold the question was 1. why the layers of inpenetrable security and 2. where did the gold go to 3. if there is no gold, what is being protected.

          • Durango Kidd

            Under the FREE TRADE / MANAGED TRADE of the Globalists gold and silver money would soon disappear from America if it were re-issued.

            Until the table is leveled the wealth of America will be hoovered away as it is today. Be happy its only fiat paper money for now.

      11. Mr. Blutarsky

        Just wait until the 2011 numbers come in. My clients income is dropping. My income has dropped this year (by about 10%).

        The only folks living “high off the hog” work for the federal government or get money from the government through crony capitalism.

        Real estate in the Washington DC metro area is booming.

        I think I’m going to throw up my breakfast.

        • Claymation

          Sir, can I ask what you do for a living, just curious. Peace Clay.

          • Mr. Blutarsky

            I am in marketing – lead generation for businesses. It’s a great business – even in a recession.

            But even I suffer in a depression – which is what I believe we are in (despite the nonsense that is published out of Washington).

            And if all my clients go out of business……so do I.

            • Claymation

              Got ya, stay safe, and I hope you don’t mind me being nosy. I’ve gotten to like you and with my luck I thought you might say a bank president…LOl.. Just messin. Peace, Clay

      12. Patriot One

        Wait a minute folk, Look, Look, Look at the birdie. Look over here at the EU and Greece. Don’t look at all the US reports from yesterday and today.

        Don’t look at the 26 Million now under employed in America. Don’t look at the increase in new construction, oh wait a minute was that all multifamily units (apartments). Don’t look a the public sector average income in Washington, DC. compared the the private sector. I’m sorry, But I’ve never met a government worker worth $126,000 a year and that includes my own father who was pretty damn good at what he did.

        The masses never look past the head lines and sound bits. So to them; If they still have a job all is well. Make no mistake we are in a downward death spiral and as it gets wider and deeper its going to suck everyone in.

        So far today I have not seen one honest head line. Its all manipulated propaganda in real time, then revised next week or next month. Just a minute please, the news in the EU is not looking to good. Wait while I throw another body into the street so you don’t look at what’s really happening.

        Was that Gaddafi? Are you sure?

        This is what governments do just before they collapse. We have thousands of years of history to back this up. Just read some Roman History or German History

        • US Marines

          Hi Patriot One,

          Excellent!, One of the few people to hit the nail on the head.

          Allow me to add and expand to your observations:

          1) The GOAL of the US Federal Gov’t is impoverish ALL Americans (except the few pyschos in charge) and reduce us to supplicants and slaves that are controlled COMPLETELY by the gov’t.

          2) Most of our industry is gone (over 70% has been exported) and the remaining industry is leaving at an exponentially growing rate.

          3) We are now in the end-game of the Federal Gov’t now achieving despotic control of the US.

          4) There is ONLY one solution set of actions that will stop our decent into tyranny and despotism:


          Understand: The WHOLE point of the US False-flag Ops (9/11, Oklahoma City, World Trade Center Bombing, etc) is to ELIMINATE the basis for upholding the Constitution and the imposition of complete Dictatorship!


          They will NOT undo any of the damage they have so far gotten away with.

          They will NOT cease to increase their attempts at MORE suppression.

          They will NOT back down in their attempts to institute the protocols of the NWO,.. or as
          I call it, the NSO (New Slave Order).

          The Federal Gov’t, the military, police and courts have been far to radicalized already to stop their decent into total tyranny.

          There is only one solution for our WHOLLY corrupt, broken, bloated and diseased gov’t:


          If anyone wishes to actually save and restore this country, there is only one long term solution:

          1) Get Rid Of The Corruption: Abolish our Treasonous US Federal Government and ALL its criminal agencies to the last. Let NOT a vestige of its former self remain to infect its replacement.

          2) The Fed: Abolish, Charge, Try & Convict the Traitors of The Fed, ALL of them.

          3) New Government: Institute new guards for our future security based on the framework provided by our Founding Fathers,… The US Consitution.

          4) Memorialize Our Folley: Fence off and burn down Washington DC. LEAVE IT… as a shattered ruins to remind ALL future generations to NEVER, EVER allow the Federal Gov’t to become a Criminal, Despotic, Treasonous or Imperialest Agency Of Destruction again.

          5) United Nations: Get rid of the UN, bulldoze that site to the ground, and build our new US Captial on the FORMER site of the UN, in NY, and resotre NY as the Cultural and Financial center of the world.

          6) 9/11: Arrest, Try, Convict and Execute all the Traitors within, and outside our Treasonous Gov’t that carried out 9/11, including those that failed to hold those accountable afterwards, and those that helped coverup the crimes of the Traitors that planned, organized, communicated and executed any portion of the Greatest Crime In Human History.

          7) Shadow Government: Arrest, Charge, Try and Convict all the pyschopaths from the CFR, Tri-lateral Commission, IMF and all the other external agencies that have committed Crimes Against Humanity that are far in excess of anything that even Hitler did.

          Let statues of these morally bankrupt bags of filth be erected. Burned, pitted, with contorted faces and hunched over, be placed at the gates to the shattered and desolate remnents of Washington DC, forever proclaiming their family names for all the world to see,… as TRAITORS.

          If we do anythng less,… than by definition we HAVE DONE LESS, which is guaranteed to be insufficient to bring about the magnitude of changes needed to restore our country.

          People will not like the notion of such strong measures, but failure to recognize our peril, and the need for corrective actions of this magnitude is to sign our own epitaph.

          Only COMPLETE and SWEEPING eradication of the disease called The US Federal Government and Washington DC can cleanse the American body of this infection and allow the broad chest of Freedom & Liberty to breath deeply once again.

          I Quote the greatest expression of Freedom ever written:

          “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

          That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ABOLISH IT, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”

          “Accordingly, all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

          But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security.”

          Thomas Jefferson – Declaration Of Independence – Beginning Portions Of 2nd Paragraph – Empahsis Added.

          We have LONG passed the point of “abuses and usurpations” as the Treasonous US Federal Gov’t is now actively engaged in reducing ALL Americans to living under its “absolute Despotism”.

          Are Despotism and Tyranny the gifts that Americans wish to leave to our children?

          I know that I don’t.

          JD – US Marines – Fighting to save America,… again.

          • Fed Up

            US Marines, will you marry me? 😉 It is refreshing to see that kind of passion, logic, and straightforward talk. Too bad you can’t get on national TV and get that message out to the sheeple…

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          • Patriot One

            Thanks JD-USMC and everyone else. Its all become an Illusion .

          • KY Mom

            US Marines,

            Well said! Thank you!!

            It is people like YOU that give me hope for the future of this country! 🙂

            Thanks again!
            KY Mom

          • Jim (another Jim)

            HOOORAH. This is from an ex squid who glows in the dark a little. Outstanding JD. I dont want to see the death and suffering that will come from the downfall, but I am ready for it. Be safe and keep prepping.

          • uncleopal

            US Marines: Here, here! You hit the nails square on the head. Long past time…

          • ninaorket

            Only CIVIL WAR will change the inevitable ending of GLOBAL BANKER Debt Slave ENSLAVEMENT of all Peoples of Earth! As much as I HATE MARINES… great post Jar-Head, you must be/ or have been an USMC Officer! Not bad college boy – RESPECT! Only America Civil War #2 will change this…

            Which means an AMERICAN blood amd guts , folks dying , babies starving 2nd Civil War…! It’s the only way now! No way will Kissinger Rothschild Zebrenski and Illuminati Global Banker Friends just walk away at this point… they are too Close to succeeding!

            I do hope all you preppers realize this… ;0P pssszt!

            arm up stock up prepare
            preditor or prey the choice is yours!

        • sanityjones

          Well done P1.

        • JJ

          You’re my man; if I could give you 3 thumbs, I would.
          You will never reach the people that need to learn this.
          It’s hopeless.

      13. Jim

        Top 1% “news” on Yahoo News right now under Finance is an interesting report. Their income doubled from the 1990’s to today but their tax burden has increased as well. The most compelling part I thought was noting they make $1.3 trillion total and our budget “debt” each year is $1.4 trillion so even if we were to take all of their money – we’re still going broke each year. Biggest percentage (30 some) were supervisors, managers, etc….

        • Gods Creation

          It’s the same “money”. The 1% made 1.3 trillion, not coincidentally very close to the amount of our debt each year of 1.4 trillion.

          Seems that they know just about how much to steal each year. I’m just glad they no longer steal it from me.

          Pity the rest….

      14. Fed Up

        I have said it before and I will keep saying it – We are IN the Depression NOW. Jobs are scarce, basic living staples cost more than many can afford, college education (regardless of what degree) does not seem to improve chances of getting a job with a livable wage (sorry folks, but $10 pr hr doesn’t pay the bills and keep one person fed), and many people cannot make it on their own.

        I know of many families who have gone back to many generations living together (Grandma/Grandpa, Mom/Dad, Kids, and in some cases Grandkids!) to be able to sustain and support themselves. I find this a bit amusing since it was only a few years ago when these same folks were looking down their noses at others for living this way. Quite humbling for them and a real wake-up call for the rest of us.

        Then there are the new soup kitchens and tent cities in the form of electronic food stamps, housing/rental assistance, and public service/utility assistance. Without these programs there would be many more people on the streets starving.

        And for those who are employed with work that provides them a livable wage, they seem to fall into two basic groups – those who are in fear of losing their jobs and those who are completely clueless and assume the economy is recovering because they saw it on TV.

        Keep your heads up folks and good luck.

      15. Mona

        The annual income in America has been dropping each year for the past 3 years.

        Inflation is going up and most Americans are on some sort of Government assistance to make ends meet.

        We are in a death spiral right now. The deeper we go, the quicker the bottom is going to fall out of our world.

        How many will survive when we hit bottom, nobody knows. But if you have some preps, some tools to make a living and the desire to survive in this new paradigm. The opportunity for success will be available to those who grab on and work hard to be successful.

        So, along with gathering food, water, medical supplys, farming and work tools, guns and ammo and clothing to survive for the next 5 years or so, you need to start thinking outside of the box your life has been shuved into.

        The world is changing around us. How are those changes going to affect our world in the future?

        What skills do you have that will help you make your way in the future?

        Do you have the desire to make these essential changes in your lifestyle today and on into the future?

        Right now we are fortunate to have this opportunity to investigate and prepare for what our future holds. There will be many opportunities presented to us. Will we be savy enough to grab them and utilize those opportunities? I hope so, for all our sakes

        God bless and keep on prepping.

        • Gods Creation

          Internet sales have been way off from normal this year, so I started a local business building web sites for local businesses to make up the difference.

          The alternative was a part time job in the corp, so I had no choice but to create my own and screw the corp instead. It just feels right.

          I did not ask, nor do I need, permission from the corp to go into business. I just bought some business cards, built a web site, and got a cell phone for the business. A few ads on Craigslist and I have a little extra work coming in. If I need more, I will just increase my promotional workload and the work will come.

          Making money outside the corp is not that hard, just most people have been trained that their skills have no value outside of corporate employment.

          It is not so much learning the skills as it is learning to market them without feeling guilty about charging for them. People have been told their entire lives that they are only of value as a Human Resource to be exploited by the money powers, and most believe it.

          The corp has lied to you again. You have value. Your skills have value. Otherwise, why would it want to enslave you to steal that value from you?

          Your job is not learning new skills, it is learning how to profit from the ones you have. Take what you have now and try to make money with it. If you can’t do that, the odds are not very good you can do it with a new skill either.

          • Archivist

            I have done the same thing, only I printed my own business cards. I can do almost anything you can imagine that has anything to do with computers, music, or research. I have projects to work on all the time, such as scanning photo albums to CD, recording old audio tapes to CD, copying VHS tapes to DVD, creating cookbooks from family recipes, playing music for parties, genealogy research, computer repair, tutoring, etc. All this comes from a lifetime playing with computers and home entertainment equipment. None of these skills came from any hourly job I ever held. You wouldn’t believe how many jobs I have done, and the person paying forced me to take more than I charged.

            Anything that the general public finds difficult physically or mentally is a money-making opportunity. There’s no telling how many trucks pulling trailers with lawn care equipment I see going by every day. I see lots of trucks and vans advertising handyman services. The farmers market is full of people selling vegetables, plants, canned goods and crafts, and there are always lots of buyers.

            There may not be a lot of new computers around in the near future, but I am one of the few around here who still remembers all of the old hardware and DOS software and can make old things work. I can also make old electronics work or create new electronics by scavenging from old.

            Most everybody has skills, but I still think everyone should try to learn new ones, such as gardening, using hand carpentry tools, etc. There are some occupations that might be in more demand in the future, such as blacksmithing. My father always told me, the more things you know how to do, the lower your chances of being unemployed. So I have learned how to do everything I can. I hope everyone else will try that as well.

        • Handy

          Mona, GC

          You guys have touched on what I feel is the most important aspect of preparing. Prepping for a collapse is great but we have to survive the run up to collapse.
          I made the step 3 and a half years ago (It was like stepping off a cliff) and it was the best thing I ever did.I didn’t even know what I was going to do but I knew I could do better on my own than rely on a limited paycheck.

      16. KY Mom

        Just read this on Drudge Report. There are so many people unemployed and looking for jobs. This makes me so mad!

        Big Sis: DHS Authorizing Illegal Aliens to Work in U.S….

        • Mr. Blutarsky

          She/He’s an idiot. And so is “her” boss.

      17. Jeff Morton

        only 1 solution:

        rely on yourself, family and trusted friends.
        decide what truth gives your life meaning and purpose.
        be true to yourself and have total faith in your ability to overcome any obstacles that get in your path.
        first sit quitely and ask yourself what is true? do you know ? the answer is inside you…..

        now live it!

      18. RICH99

        You keep telling people all this bad economic data and the sky is falling when its not…..yes we are recessed but the sky isn’t falling ! I am doing better this year than I ever had so what does that tell you for a depression ?

        • Archivist

          You are just lucky enough to be above the falling average income line. Others are below it. Keep watching for the sky to fall and you will eventually get a face full of bird poop. Others have their heads down and are busy preparing. Even if nothing ever happens, preppers will be one or two years ahead of inflation, which will be more money in their pockets. And those who simplify their lives will have fewer headaches and ulcers in the future, and they will be happy.

        • JJ

          You’re a thief or doing something illegal?????

      19. delr

        let the bodies hit the floor.
        happy hallow’s eve.

      20. nkawtg

        This article resonates with me, my salary was cut 20% this month.

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