6 Totally Insane Things That Will Happen If Our Power Grid Goes Down

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    This article was originally published by Joshua Krause at Tess Pennington’s ReadyNutrition.com


    Imagine if you will, what would happen if you pulled an American family from the 19th century, and plopped them in the middle of downtown Los Angeles during rush hour. They’re not given a warning, they’re not given any kind of primer on what they’re about to experience, and the occurrence is completely inexplicable. How long do you suppose they would last before they cried uncle? Would they even survive? The odds probably aren’t so good.

    Of course, the reverse is probably also true. If you and your family were wrenched from the comforts of the present and hurled back into a previous era, you might not fare so well either. Your survival odds would probably be a little better since you have hindsight and an understanding of germ theory. However, it would still be a pretty alien world for you. It would be littered with pitfalls that most modern people can’t even imagine.

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    6 Totally Insane Things That Will Happen If Our Power Grid Goes Down

    And that’s why it’s so important for everyone to prepare for the possibility that one day our grid could go down in a big way, whether it be from a terrorist attack, cyber attack, nuclear war, or solar flare. If our society suffered a widespread power failure that lasted for weeks or months, it would be no different for us than if we were suddenly sent back to the 1800’s. It would be a strange and dangerous world, and for the average person, it would catch them off guard in the following ways:

    1. All commerce will cease. The ATMs won’t work, the banks won’t open, and the cash registers won’t…well, register. For a while cash will be king, but if the crisis goes on for more than a few weeks, then people will view it as worthless. We’d be back to a barter economy in short order.
    2. Communications will shut down. If you think you can rely on your cell phone to work in a disaster, think again. In a crisis, when everyone instinctively reaches for their phone, that limit is quickly surpassed and the radios on the tower get sluggish, thus causing the fast-busy signal. Mobile analysts estimates that a cell site can handle 150 to 200 calls per second per sector. When a large group are making calls at the same time, the network can’t handle the amount of calls. More importantly, communications with police, firefighters, and ambulance services will cease. Many of the workers in these positions will try to soldier on, and keep doing the best job that they can for as long as they can. However, without ordinary citizens calling them to report crimes and emergencies, they’ll be helplessly watching their communities burn down around them. It won’t be long before they give up, ditch their posts, and return to their families.
    3. Without electricity, all forms of fuel that our society relies on will stop flowing. All of our vehicles will be dead in the water, and more importantly, the trucks will stop delivering food. The grocery stores will be stripped bare in hours, and will not be replenished for a long time. Even if you live in an area that is rich in agricultural resources, there may be no food to be had, since those farms rely on fertilizers and farming equipment that must be delivered by trucks.
    4. And of course many of those farms will lack water, as will your plumbing. For a couple of days after the power goes out, you’ll still have running water since water towers rely on gravity to feed the water to your home. However, electricity is required to clean that water and pump it into the tower. Once it’s out, that means that you won’t be able to flush your toilet. So not only dehydration be a major threat, but without the ability to remove human waste or wash your hands, every community will face daunting sanitation problems.
    5. When the grocery stores are stripped bare, the pharmacies won’t be far behind. Millions of people who rely on life saving medications could die in the weeks and months that follow. But perhaps more shocking is what would happen to the people who aren’t using drugs that are immediately life saving. 13% of Americans are using opioid drugs, which are highly addictive and cause horrendous withdrawal symptoms. Another 13% of Americans are on antidepressants, and likewise, the withdrawal symptoms are pretty problematic. In other words, within a few weeks after the grid collapses, about 25% of your neighbors are going to be in an awful mental state that is not conducive for survival.
    6. And finally, one of the most shocking things that people will have to deal with, is the lack of GPS. The GPS satellites will probably keep running, but eventually the devices that read those signals will give up the ghost. These days people are pretty reliant on GPS for directions, and there aren’t as many paper maps lying around. The average person is going to be utterly lost if the grid goes down.

    In summary, law and order will break down at every level, and death will be around every corner. It’s one thing to grow up and live in an era that lacks electricity, but to be sent back to such a time on a moments notice would be one of the most challenging things that a person accustomed to modern amenities would ever face.

    This article was originally published by Joshua Krause at Tess Pennington’s ReadyNutrition.com

    Joshua Krause was born and raised in the Bay Area. He is a writer and researcher focused on principles of self-sufficiency and liberty at Ready Nutrition. You can follow Joshua’s work at our Facebook page.

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      1. Frank Gaffney gave an important talk at CPAC on Thursday about threats to the grid. He emphasized that President Trump is about to appoint board members of the FERC, and it is essential that these individuals be enlightened and not industry stooges. Read more at SecureTheGrid.com .

          • Durango, good info. I’ve been hearing that the other side is preparing but didn’t or couldn’t find any sources. Should’ve known to look around nyc.

        • The very first thing that will happen is chaos at all stoplight intersections. Dumbass impatient drivers will not play nice and yield to others in an orderly fashion. It will be a mess. And that’s before they realize their ATM and EBT cards don’t work anymore.

          • Why we must be prepared…

            While the American power grid is old and vulnerable, our society depends on it to keep everything running.

            The American Society of Civil Engineers recently published a review of our national energy infrastructure, which includes oil and gas production/distribution as well as the electric grids. It received a D rating.

            “Our world-class economy and modern society cannot be sustained with our current infrastructure.”

            “infrastructure in poor to fair condition and mostly below standard, with many elements approaching the end of their service life. A large portion of the system exhibits significant deterioration. Condition and capacity are of significant concern with a strong risk of failure.”

            “The power grid has morphed in size tenfold during the past 50 years. While solar flares, cyber attacks, and an EMP are perhaps the most extensive and frightening threats to the electrical system, the infrastructure could just as easily fail in large portions due to weather-related events.

            The power grid is basically a ticking time bomb which will spawn civil unrest, lack of food, clean water, and a multitude of fires if it does go down.”

            • Your posts make Tess Pennington and the guy who wrote this article look like internet marketing know nothings repeating the same parroting over and over every year or so ?

              • Toilets may not flush if you are water grid tied. And why everybody needs to collect rain water. Just pour a bucket of water in the toilet to flush it. That may work for a few months till the system is completely plugged up. Got a lake near by. Get buckets to fetch a pail of water? Got your Burkey water filter for drinking water. Or at least 10 Cases of bottled water. Katedyn ceramic filters? Life straws? Get prepared. Rain barrels in place? Preppers are prepared.. Right?

                • Zeus, this is one thing that is nice about a septic system versus city plumbing. It will work just fine for a year or more without any maintenance at all. But eventually even a septic system needs to be pumped. We pump ours once a year and have never had a problem. If the grid is still down after a year our problems will be much bigger than waste disposal.

                  • Well, it depends on how many people use the toilet. I am the only one here and i went 12 yrs without having to pump out the tank. So it depends on how often you use it. With a big family i would use a compost potty instead…a 5 gal bucket and use sawdust or leaves or dirt to cover it and then bury in a deep trench. I wouldn’t use the regular toilet unless there was only one or two people in the house. I found an old peoples potty chair in the trash. I took it and saved in the cellar for future use.

            • KY Mom, there is some current news on our grid that was reported on fox (Judge Jeanie) and also in the wall street journal. Just so you know.

              • WhereEaglesDare,

                Thank you for the tip about the Wall Street Journal article. I don’t have a subscription, so I wasn’t able to open it.

                I found this article while searching for recent articles on the U.S. power grid. I includes some history and other information about the U.S. power grid.

                How Secure Is Our Smart Grid? – 2/26/17
                “The U.S. Department of Energy released an alarming report in January 2017, saying that the U.S. electric grid is in imminent danger from a cyberattack. So where have we been, where are we now, and where are we going regarding smart grid security?”

                ht tp://www.govtech.com/blogs/lohrmann-on-cybersecurity/how-secure-is-our-smart-grid.html

          • That probably won’t happen here. We lose electricity because of storms pretty often, so everyone knows that without lights you treat every intersection as if there were stop signs.

          • But the guy in the article said GPS would be very important ? This article is well past lame and very old news by at least 3 to 5 years.

          • Many folks don’t even know when a stop light goes out. You treat that intersection like it is a 4 way stop.

      2. And lets not forget all the EBT cards that will no longer work. MAJOR riots then. Got ammo? Yes, I do.

        All the respirators that will eventually stop. Quick population correction.

        No pharms? No insulin. Bad death, but more population correction.

        Hot? Dead of no A/C.

        Cold? Dead of no heat.

        Part of me welcomes no power for about 6 – 9 months worldwide, it would be AWESOME!!! Instant weeding of the gibmedats globally.

        Got solar? I have a little, enough to do OK.
        Got access to a well? Yup and about to dig another one.

        Oh the peace and quiet of no cars, trucks or aviation.

        Clear quiet nights to take out the telescope and stargaze.

        That was the best thing about 9/11; no airplanes, so quiet for a change.

        Flip the switch, quit teasing.

        • No cell phones…..Hooray! Plus I’m gonna have all the pan fried chicken I can eat. I’m keeping a positive attitude.

        • The hygiene-germ factor will kill even more; pray it isn’t one of yours’ that dies because disposing of bodies will be one big bummer.

        • Sounds like the expectation of an elite exiting his luxury bunker into a post apocalyptic “useless eater” depopulated world. Good you got solar and a well. All will be swell! After gazing into the pristine void through your telescope you can gaze at the mirror reflection of an agenda 21 mind set survivor.

        • I had to laugh when I read your post because I have to admit that I often feel the same way. But then reality sinks in and I also have to admit that this would be a monumental disaster with lots of unintended consequences. Some of those unintended consequences could be deadly or fatal for me and my family. We need to banish the thought that an EMP or cyber attack might somehow be a good thing. It will be bad news for everyone – even for preppers.

        • Sorry to be a pessimist, but on Coast the other night the guest was talking about the ozone layer being totally GONE in eight year…by the yr 2025. He said the ptb are making it worse by doing the geoengineering/chemtrails. He said once the ozone totally collapses all life on earth would die including the plants, animals and humans. So if that is true then we got 8 yrs left to live and no amount of prepping will help it. It’s http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org . Too much to go into here, but plant life and trees are already dying. I see it in the country here…i have dead trees. Too much aluminum from the chemtrails are killing the plant life. Monsanto has developed an aluminum resistant seed. Maybe that is why the ptb are building underground bunkers…to live underground as the radiation above will kill everything., but they can never come out as the ozone will never come back. So i think this is the bigger problem. There is a very large hole in the ozone in the northeast he said….

      3. Re maps and GPS. Well, I have rechargeable batteries, not worried and enough gas stored to get me to my BOL (not sure how feasible or safe it would be but I could).

        You must have at least one copy of your local areas of a Gazetteer map.


        Worth every single penny.

      4. 1. All commerce will cease. Nope, I got Silver to buy stuff with.
        2. Communications will shut down. Good who cares? I also have a ham radio.
        3. Without electricity, all forms of fuel that our society relies on will stop flowing. That’s why those who are prepared have several years of food, and guns to hunt, and traps and snares, and fishing poles and gear and kayaks to get out into the middle of the lakes or rivers or ocean. And when hunkering down there will be little gas use anyway. Lawn mower maybe? Got 30 extra gallons for generator is needed. I am 100% off the grid using solar for power.
        4. And of course many of those farms will lack water, as will your plumbing. Nope off the Grid here and not dependent of a municipal water source. I like on fresh water lake and canal which surrounds 3 sides of my property. I live on a peninsula.
        5. No Pharmaceuticals. I am not on any prescribed drug and I have stocked up on years of asprin, Advil, fish antibiotics..
        6. GPS? I have multiple GPS systems, it but who needs it? I’m prepared to hunker down for years. Plus I have plenty of paper maps.

        *Only Drawback I will deal with is neighbors bitchin they are unprepared, but will move away or die, then peace and quiet resumes. No airplanes will be flying and thus the skys get cleaner for more sunshine for my solar panels. So that is an added benefit. And when law and order break down I deploy my multiple weapons to defend my compound. That’s why we call ourselves Preppers.

        • Zeus, Usually I agree with most of what you say. But…. silver/gold will have no more value than the paper/digital does not. Ham radio? Sure…. I’ve my license; or, did (let it expire). But due to that interest I also have a RDF and plan on using it. So, I counsel you not to do more than listen. For if a like-minded man has one – you can bet your enemies have their own as well. Your genset or mower make noise. Use carefully and only when your solar just can’t get the job done or in the most extreme of emergencies. Too, gasoline/diesel will be in short supply for a long time to come post-collapse. Water you sound ‘fixed’ for; but, sewage or the lack of proper sanitation disposal has probably killed as many people in history as most anything else has. And don’t just think some septic tank system will last. Thank your lucky stars you (and I as well) have no need for drugs of any type. Go with great caution on the fish drugs. Be sure you know the conversion dosages perfectly. And last as for GPS – there we agree. No need for maps. I learned how to navigate long before there was any form of electronic nav. miracles. And I’d imagine you to have cached a collection of old maps. The bottom line is don’t assume your safe or invulnerable. You’re, I’m – not. It is far better to expect the unexpected rather than think you got it made.

          • Disagree. Gold and Silver will be money, has been for 5000 years proven track record. Gas for chain saws for wood for camp fires and to cook. Septic? I been burying shit for 2 years. Have shovel for shit holes, outhouses etc. Ham license? LMFAO? Like who’s gonna come after you in a grid down worried you clicked and talked on a ham? Least of anybodies worries. Also hace a 12V CB Radio. I live on a secure BOL with gators in my moat on 3 sides, barbed wire fence and 2 locked barbed gates to get back here, last property in a private subdivision on a private road and dirt raod at the end. Neighbor with 5 yapping dogs I hear anthing moving past a quarter mile down the road before me. Had a motion detector go off a little bit ago tonight, its dark out. Grabbed my 12g with a bright light out my door to see 2 eyeballs on a deer by the canal. Got my bases covered. Roger that!! If you live in a city with a thin door between you and a public street. You’re F©cked!

            • Why you never barter with ammo. How do you know there is any gunpowder in the sealed bullets? Would you put your life on the line with bartered bullets? Not me. Btw/ Anybody reloading and selling bullets? Do you have your FFL License. It takes just one Ahole right now to turn you in and the ATF is knocking at your door with a warrant. Bend over a beg for a lawyer. Look what happened at Ruby Ridge. Tried to get Randy Weaver to shorten a shotgun barrel in a sting. Just saying. Watch out.

        • Well good for you and GOOD LUCK to you. For you have boasted openly about all that you have. Therefore, you have unwittingly invited all who know, to come to you for assistance.

          SO, first expect those closest to you – family and friends, to come to your door. THEN, the neighbors. At first, they will ask. SOON, if desperation DOES set in, the asking will stop. People will not hesitate to tell as many others as they can what you have and that you will not share. Those that they tell could be other regular people, street criminals and/or authorities.

          As with ALL mentioned above, remember this. Even with the most rational and level-headed persons, it is one thing if it is THEY THEMSELVES who are suffering. They may accept their situation for what it is. HOWEVER, if they see their own family and children suffering – well – I sure do hope you have a fortress. NO. You are NOT going to use your ammo on family, friends and neighbors.

          Finally, if the PENULTIMATE SHTF happens, best read your Bible. Two things stand out. One is that things will get worse beyond anyone’s imaginings. TWO, JUDGEMENT is coming soon. The verses that command us to help our family, neighbors and the people on the streets – good OR bad – are many. HEY – fantasize all you want. When those days come, your stuff will NO LONGER be YOUR stuff.

          The only thing worse than NOT having something, is to have it and then to lose it. Best prepare for THAT, as well!

      5. by the end of 72 hours or 9 meals elapse, the purge of the useless will begin….How is this not a win?

        • No question such an event would be a natural thinning out process in rather short order. Within a few days there would be massive chaos and it would only get far worse from that point, until millions were eliminated by the crazy’s. In a way we already have the “walking dead” among us, don’t we !

        • Neal – I often feel the same way. But then reality sinks in and I also need to admit that any such “purge” would have lots of unintended consequences. Some of those unintended consequences could be deadly or fatal for me. We need to banish the thought that a “purge” might somehow be a good thing. It will be bad news for everyone – even for preppers.

      6. Hey Parents, You got kids who play hours of meaningless Video Games? How about give them an instrument to play music. If kids practiced and played musical instruments as much as they played video games, we would have geniuses in the making. People played instruments way before they listened to radio. Live music for entertainment is fun and get some groups together and form a band. Real music does not need electricity. Guitar, horns, piano, harmonicas, drums… Bongos, I want to find a good set of bongos.

        • I have enough musical instruments to form a band. I have a guitar, fiddle, mandolin, two banjos, two clarinets, a squeeze box, a piano, and a number of harmonicas. I have an autoharp, but it needs strings, and I hear it’ll be a bear to restring.

          I also have over 100 years of sheet music and music books for never-ending entertainment.

          • are u anywhere near spokane WA??

      7. No kidding! Flip the switch and let’s start this party!
        I would hate to think I’ve been stockpiling stuff for 20
        Years and then nothing happens.

      8. …there will be no TV, no more ceaseless meaningless controlling brainwashing from RADIO/TV or cell/smart phone, PEOPLE WILL BE FORCED TO HAVE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR LIVES,
        POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and programming via electronic means will be over at 2 seconds prior to power out, life becomes serious again, all the artificial restraints and constructs of life are ERASED PERMANENTLY.


        Can you not also see who REAL freedom will be restored as if a light switch has been flipped off.

        It will be a win win win for everyone. mankind will have to figure out how to move forward INVOLUNTARILY or perish, the useless will be culled (mostly by their own hands) and no longer be resource stealers. True for your own good living will be a new focus that will FORCE people to turn away from old paradigms of HOW a civil society acts. Pre INDUSTRIAL age man and that kind of society will return all the WHILE LAMENTING how EASY they have had things with the aid of fragile power dependent technology.. Maybe they will finally figure it out that FIAT money, FIAT controllers and the rest of the mental masturbation that comprises our current ails simply will be meaningless. ONLY real living skills, industriousness and keen survival skills will matter.

        as I said….WIN WIN WIN! Entirely survivable entirely adaptable, it will ONLY TAKE WILLPOWER and a reformed view of what society is and NEEDS.

      9. Also, there may be no electronic commerce but as long as there are at least two people and both have stuff the other wants; there will be commerce.

        • If the grocery stores don’t get supplied we can just go out to eat at the restaurants.

          • Or just order pizzas!

      10. People are so goddamn scared of change that will force them to get better, be better, be more adaptable and more hardy and more inventive.. Do you know why? Because they are lazy stupid and entitled as technology and dependency has made them. they FEAR having to TAKE PERSONAL responsibility for themselves and hard work and actually effort to provide for their own lives. Money and government and technology has made them sad sickly and lazy.

      11. Nuclear reactors require electricity for cooling pumps they have about two weeks diesel back up then they all melt down.

        • That should be number one on the list. Doesn’t matter how much you stockpiled if all the nuclear power plants go boom.

        • I honestly wish that all nuclear power plants would be shut down. They are too scary for my liking. I think it’s like playing with fire.

          • I feel differently about nuclear power plants. I think they are safe and provide clean power. Storing the nuclear waste is not a problem and they make us a little less dependent on oil and coal. I have no problem with nuclear power plants.

            • Until the grid goes down and they all start melting down on the east coast. Those in mid west are probably safer.

      12. Water towers are in place only to maintain pressure on the system in the event of pump station failure.
        The amount of water in one of those towers is minute in comparison to actual system capacity.
        Also, the tower water could be contaminated due to the fact that it is static in regard to constantly flowing/properly treated potable water
        Hope this helps.

      13. Actually it would be worse due to EMP. Cell Phones would be things of the past. No refrigeration, water purification, hospital generators will not work. Even if they did, all equipment in there wouldn’t. Cars won’t run. Have an old VW? In short a real SHTF. The worst kind! God Bless James




        You think that’s anything. Let Robert Steele tell you what he learned when he was in the CIA about the 10 Threats to Humanity. This is the civilian threat, this is before the foreign military attacks. This is why I will be leaving this city.

        Could this be why only 5,000 females will left on the entire continent of the US post grid or war collapse. This why I can trust my scientist friend. He is 100% on the money and this is not debatable.


        • Interesting fact from the world population website… The Population in the USA has basically doubled since 1970

          • When i was 12 in 1960 i remember the radio saying that we only had 3 million people on the whole planet.

      15. Forgot All Medical facilities will be down. This is more important that Cell Phones being down.

        When or if this happens won’t it be cool to set back with our Popcorn and watch all the animal escape from the ZOO!

        A hunting we will go A hunting we will go!!!!


      16. If people live by clean drinkable water, firewood, and live animals, expect to be overrun by thousands of starving masses. You can’t shoot fast enough or long enough to outlast them. You have to sleep sometime. Unless you have your own small army. The first 7 days will be the easiest, then everyday will get worse. Until it hits a peak, then it will start to taper off. Cholera will spread throughout the countryside, as people die in whatever water there is. Rotting corpses everywhere. Disease everywhere. If you survived, then what? The clean up begins. A new day.

        • HIM

          Brake it down into 30, 60, 90, and 120 day intervals to plan out what happens to the unprepared, medically afflicted and chemical and mentally challenged.

          Helps in determining threat level.

          • The 3rd through 10th days will be the most dangerous. Most people only keep 3 days worth of food in their homes, and no water. After 3 days, they will be out searching and killing for food, water and other stuff. After 10 days, half of them will be dead from starvation, dehydration, suicide, or killed in defense or violence.



        Watch Kevin2 go on the soft attack on my post. Kevin2, you have a been a troll in disguise and have done a good job trying to convince SHTF, that mexico does not have enough water to feed 1,200,000 million Chinese soldiers what were being brought in over the last 6 years, 10-20k of them at a time that’s currently in mexico at this very moment. No look what has surfaced. Patriots and veterans, get ready, it’s getting ready to go down. THIS IS A BAD, BAD BAD, FRICKING SIGN.


      18. http://www.infowars.com/taxpayer-funded-school-suspected-of-chinese-espionage/

        All Patriots make this link go viral.

        China is going to invade the United States, has over 350,000 chi-com soldiers. Kevin2, I am calling you out as a troll. I don’t care if other who support you on this site backs you up. Your trying to hide something from SHTF. You are either a troll working in a fusion center for NSA. You might be a Chinese national in disguise posing with you Kevin2 American name. Looks like you are involved in SHTF espionage on this website?

        The FBI are the ones who leaked out this info on the chi-com activity.

        Any of you chi-coms ever entire my city, fire on the American citizenry, and fuck with us, I will riddle your ass with .223/5.56.


        Molon labe, come and take it if your tough enough.

        • LMFAO!! Hcks calling Kevin2 a troll?? Not hardly you freak.. Hcks is a wacked out, stressed out, paranoid, skitso probably on psychedelic mushrooms with spiders biting your arms. Hcks is what we need to look out for in SHTF? Wacko in mood swings. Just read the rambling rant she writes. LoL Thinks she is a guy.

      19. A few years ago, we JUST missed a Carrington CME Event (if you don’t know what that is, important to google it) by being two weeks “behind” in our orbit. Otherwise, I would be penning this not to you on pencil and paper… by firelight.

        Dr Peter Vincent Pry (google him) has a lot of important info on the EMP issue. For complete reading on this, however, also check out http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1656/1 which feels the threat of EMP is overstated.

      20. If the grid were to go down, staying healthy and treating things like worms would be important.

        Off-Grid Worming Recipe for Horses
        (Most of these items you can grow yourself.)
        Use a mixture of:
        40% sunflower and pumpkin seeds
        30% tobacco leaves (or loose pipe tobacco from the store)
        the rest parsley flakes and garlic.
        Fill up a gallon ice cream bucket and you can worm over 20 horses with it.

        According to research, intestinal worms release from the stomach and intestinal lining during the full moon to breed. The rough texture of the mixture scrapes the worms away and right out of the horses.

        It is much cheaper than conventional worming. Also, the horse manure (garden fertilizer) is NOT contaminated by the chemicals in the tube wormer.

        Horse manure tainted with worming medication is also tainted and will kill the good worms in the soil once the manure is on the ground.”

        Ivermectin products in the manure will continue to kill beneficial stuff in your soil for 28 days post worming. Daily feed through wormer like strongid will eventually sterilize your whole place. Panacure or safeguard does the least damage to your soil.

        • I use Diatomacetious earth. Buy it online a 50 pound bag cost $60. and even humans can eat it. I was having a bout of dirriea. My wife added some to my pancake batter and presto the shits where cured. The Resedue in the manure keeps fly eggs from living when the maggots hatch.

        • For another de wormer….according to Hulda Clark….take 3 or 4 GREEN round black walnuts…soak in drinking vodca for 3 days. Throw out walnuts and add water to top off the bottle. Will last ages especially if add powdered vit C.For a dog or cat a half dropper full. Same for humans. I don’t know about horses. Might be cheaper to use the receipe above for horses.

      21. If the grid were to go down, staying healthy and treating things like worms would be important.

        Diatomaceous earth (D.E.) has MANY uses. When stored in an airtight container and kept dry, D.E. has an indefinite storage life.

        Diatomaceous earth is the fossilized remains of diatoms, an algae-like single-celled creature. It feels like powder to mammals, but to wax-shelled insects it might as well be razors. To insects it is like trying to digest razors and they die.

        FOOD GRADE Diatomaceous earth works very well as a de-wormer in humans, cats and dogs. Whenever administering, always mix the D.E. in food with moisture.
        Also, when applying D.E. in the garden, use a face mask – so you don’t breathe in the dust.

        Note: Mixing a teaspoon of D.E. in a bowl of oatmeal a couple times a week can help people lower their cholesterol too.

        For more information on Diatomaceous earth, see:


        Many horse owners I know believe Diatomaceous earth may be dangerous to horses and other livestock if they inhale the dust. (See post above for homemade recipe for horses & other livestock.)

        • KY Mom:

          I give my chickens diatomaceous earth. The name is a put off for some people. I thought it was some kind of dirt. It is without any bad taste at all. I eat a little every now and then. It’s good for teeth and bones, so they say.

          To get rid of worms, humans can eat three whole garlic buds for two weeks. Cloves is good. Black walnut husk works, too.

          I think waiting for Armageddon before getting off pharmaceuticals is dumb. There are healthy foods and plants that work better and safer. Big Pharma is owned by Rockefeller. He has enough money. Don’t you think.


          • Oops, should have read down a little further

          • B from CA,

            I also eat some D.E. every week.

            I agree we should be looking and using for healthy foods and plants rather than pharmaceuticals.

        • It’s also good for chickens……..

      22. Hope springs eternal!

      23. As always, some sick f#$%’s here wishing for global death. You’d all do well in the muslim death cult or Globalist elite population scrubbing camp.

        Let’s see–no grid means all Nursing Homes and Skilled nursing facilities become crypts with your aging parents and grandparents. All of those childhood diabetes, pre-mature birth babies and infants with minor birth issues would now just die–but so what right? At least you have some canned spam and a pond….
        Sure many gangbangers will clean out the liberal hipsters in the cities, but they aren’t gonna be showing up at your country residence 1, 2 or even 5 at a time. Nope, with 12 million reported gangmembers and 20 million hispancic illegals–you will see groups of 100 to 200 hungry and horny 3rd world miscreants coming in and taking what your wife and daughters and anything you have. You may kill a few, hell, you may be a badass and kill 2 dozen, but the others don’t care about those you kill, they only care about getting what you got.
        Those here who think that they can kick back for 6 months while the world burns are naïve.
        Did you ever even think about the global issues? If the UN doesn’t send troops in to restore order, I’m sure Russians, Chinese or Muzzies would love to come in militarily and plunder—the USA is not well-liked and there are many who would pray for a chance to invade a chaotic US with no military defense.

        • javelin, you make some valid points, but on the UN, they can’t muster enough troops to take over this country. Look at the history of ‘UN peacekeeping missions’ in other countries. No success stories to mention.

        • Javeline

          Think you are going to live forever? We can cure the BIG problem by killing off small problems, one at a time. Muzzie’s communists then UN peacekeepers if they get here.
          Fact is, nothing is going to change for the better without some death being involved. Really, do you think you are going to talk to these people who want to KILL ME RIGHT NOW, and then everything is going to get peachy.
          Old people, babies, sick and other human maladies will be collateral damage in the fight to see if the nation survives.

          Wait till the “Normal Bias” dies. Then we will fight all the freaks that come out of the woodwork.

      24. Bad time to have a toothache.

      25. Most of the farms around here get their water from the sky. Electricity has nothing to do with it.

        We have water everywhere. I have filters.

        I have never used GPS. I always use maps.

        I have a small solar setup. I’ll survive with very little electricity. I won’t like it much, but I’ll survive.

        • The real bad thing will be the Nuc power plants getting out of fuel for there cooling water system…

          And when a Nuc power plant cant be cooled down it BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

          Fukushima by the dozen all arond the world 🙁

        • I think it’s better to go low tech with candles and oil lamps rather than high tech.

      26. The real thing would be all the nuc power plants that run out of fuel!!!!

        With no fuel to run the cooling system… BOOM! the nuc power plants goe’s off!!!!

        It will be Fukushima all over the place.

        • Illinois will be like Fukushima on steroids. That state has more nuke plants than any other state. Do not want to be downwind of all that ( Indiana and Ohio, my condolences ).

        • I guess a lot of people don’t know this..
          Most nuclear power plants have mechanical backups, like purely steam driven water pumps to fill/circulate and some have battery backup but that’s obviously a temp thing and I don’t know if it’s real but heat displacement circulation.

          So some, maybe only a few will survive intact, the rest will radiate the world.. look at Fukushima the rad spread, that tells you it will only take a few as few as 5 or 10 to kill most of the world.
          We have over 105 functioning reactors in the USA not including the military’s.

          • If thats the case then shut those deathtraps down.

      27. On this topic…

        TV series: Watch the series “Jericho” on Netflix with your family.

        Books: William R. Forstchen wrote a couple books on what happens when the grid goes down,
        “One Second After” and the follow up book, “One Year After”.

        • The Final Day is very good, as well. That’s the last book in the series. Great read and all 3 are truly eye-opening.

        • Latest release by William R. Forstchen in his One Second After trilogy:

          The Last Day

          excellent !

          • I got the above books as audiobooks off youtoob, FREE
            or you can pay for it.
            there’s three of them now.
            One second after
            one year after
            and the third
            The Final Day by William R. Forstchen

            if you have firefox load the addon “youtoob downloader” to save the files.
            they are around 150 to 200mb each

          • Another book that you should definitely read is .. Ted Koppels ” Lights Out ” .. I was prepared for a leftist view BUT Ted just gives the Info and it is very revealing what the facts really are.. After 31 years in the Power Generation Business ( Coal , Solar , Wind , Nuclear , Oil and Natural Gas) there was info in there I didn’t know about the grid. Ted also reveals that the Gov’t is prepared for the grid going down , Just that the General Population are not included in their planning.

      28. “Gloom, Despair and Agony on me,
        Deep dark depression and excessive misery’
        If it weren’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all,
        Gloom, Despair, and Agony on me.”

        I sure do miss the pickin, singin’ and the cornball jokes on ‘ol Hee-Haw. Especially Archie Campbell.

        • Shizen! it sure is gettin’ dark ’round here. I know we’re all gonna meet up with the judgement but damn we sure could use an eppe joke ’bout now.

          • By far not Eppe, Loved his jokes.

            A man rode his horse to the bar every night. One night the guys turned the saddle around backwards, when the man was Very late coming home he told his wife “someone cut my horses head off and I had to lead him home with my hand stuck in his windpipe”

      29. I tend to agree with “Heartless” about the danger of transmitting after TSHTF. I wish to point out the advantage of a CB “sky wave” antenna. This is a dipole set about 1 foot off the ground. Practically all the energy is directed straight up, then bounces down, all but impossible to RDF. When needed I plan to set one up. We’ve small PV systems that will run CB radios, TecSun s/w ssb radios (these are kept in antistatic bags in a Faraday cage. As well as a Uniden HomePatrol police/fire scanner. I believe we will be about as informed as anyone in a grid down event. We’ve a 280 gallon tank of water perched above the house, and can gravity refill from our spring. In our barn, root cellar, and house we’ve 12 VDC strings of LED lights that use next to no current and would be powered by the PV-battery system. These have two 6 VDC sealed gel batteries in series to provide 6 VDC for the TecSun radios. I believe being able to listen to ham transmissions and CB traffic from truckers will be invaluable. We’ve several sets of FRS walkie talkies that have only line of sight transmission. And CBs in both vehicles.

        When the grid goes down, and the cell phones go blank, the vast majority will have NO clue as to what to do next. Yes, detailed topo maps and a compass will be needed.

        • Tennessean

          Good post. Hope to catch you on skip.

        • Yeah truckers would be a avenue for valuable info until the diesel flow stops.

      30. Many of you folks think of this as a good thing…….While I see your point, you have to live through it to enjoy it….if even then. Most….yes most people WILL die in the first few months. Poor or no water, starvation, civil unrest…rioting/murder….not to mention common illnesses and injuries that we seek medical treatment for today….I’ve thought about this a lot……….Only the very smart, very strong and very LUCKY would survive………hope I’m one of them.

        • And as we are finding out Google is nothing more than a CIA Funded spy operation, tracking your every click. And if you have a gmail account, you are on their list fully exposed to their slimy operations for target. Never log into anything Google if you value your life and annonamidity. You are tracked and proded like branded cattle ready for slaughter. Those who bought into smart watches that track your body vitals and fed into their system, are now being denied insurance cause you may have a heart mumer. Or being charged much higher insurance premiums. Are you on FraudBook spilling all your guts to the world. Dumb dumb, Zuckerburg has plans for you including reading your mind. Its all out there folks. Keep feeding the beast. Karma will eat you alive. You have been warned. Also avoid Firefox another honey pot trap. All your clicks are fed into the fusion centers memory bank data base. You wave in public the pixils on cameras can log your finger prints and read your iris’s mapping. Branded like cattle, GPS and WiFi to track you down for slaughter. Stingray fake cell towers sucking all you network of contscts, photos, texts, emails all fed into the fusion center. Your cell phone is your tracking ankle braclet. And you even pay for it. Cable lie TV, you are trapped already a slave to their brain washing and subversion. Like Religion on crack. Dupped for life.

      31. I would like to add, if there is no water. And you can’t flush the toilet. The shit smell will be over-powering. And piss. One day in NYC, 8 million people pooping, and the shit has no where to go. ha ha?

        • Mike.

          NYC. had their Sanitation Dept. go on strike and the garbage stacked up on the streets. That had to smell in the heat.

          Hot town, summer in the city
          Back of my neck getting dirty and gritty
          Been down, isn’t it a pity
          Doesn’t seem to be a shadow in the city.

          “Summer In The City.”

          Loving Spoonful.

      32. Like the 1800’s my donkey.

        There were no black Muslims with bad attitudes in the 1800’s. People in remote areas left food and stuff out for visitors when they left for a while, just in case somebody wandered into their property. People were almost all white in the Eastern cities and in the west, if an Indian, excuse me, Native American was not trying to kill you, he was a friend, as well; and the best guide around.

        Those Ebonics speaking rioting baby making entitlement Africans are not like their ancestors. Can you imagine one of them with a hoe in the dirt that wasn’t quasi human? Me neither.

        If the grid goes down, it ain’t gonna be like the 1800’s.


      33. Why would anyone in his right mind not keep paper m aps. I have maps from all over that I have saved in a box for years. It’s good to be computer literate, but people are relying on technology too much.

        • Linda.

          There has been plenty of information and tips exchanged here at SHTFPlan to help people prepare if things go south. I am willing to bet there are very few who actually do the work. They only become information gatherers. Myself? I have found out just how hard it is to garden and store food. I would also bet there are many who read here that have never fired a firearm. In the end it will all be about those who paid attention to detail. Having paper maps and knowing how to read different kinds of maps, is one of those details.

          • To add. How many can read a blueprint or schematic. Most would have trouble with a flow chart.

            • So many can’t read the handwriting on the wall, take no action. Armchair preppers. All talk, those who fiddle and tell jokes, day dreamers. Well one thing is for sure, you cant fake Prepping. SHTF is your Final Exam.

            • Here on a daily basis.

        • You can usually get a free map at a visitor center in each state.

      34. I was meditating on what was the last thing I’d want to be Googling at the moment a solar EMP destroyed all electrical grids on Earth and the Internet. What is that quintessential image I would want seared in my memory for all time.

        Well it occurred to me, I’d be Googling 7 of 9’s camel toe, with all hollodeck safeties shut off…….. Sorry, that was internet filters off…… Oh god what was I thinking….. Oh crap I can’t stop laughing, and my JD just came out my nose. God it hurts…….

        God I love prepping…….

      35. Get a good compass,learn star navigation, learn how to make compass from nature or needle and silk,old maps are invaluable they have back roads they have taken off new one’s
        You get the idea learn old school if you go back that’s old school it will keep you alive.

      36. It will be a no holds barred root hawg or die survival of the meanest ,fittest and just plain lucky. A stone age existence. I know I couldn’t defend my place. I have grandchildren I need to take care off. So If neccssary I will leave my place and burn it when I go. And travel on foot to a remote well hidden cave and hide and wait. some of those grandchildren are already very good shots with a 22. But I don’t want them involved in any shootout. I find myself hoping HICK,s Nibiru is real. Now that would be quite the adventure. Ok I mentioned I have the makings of a still. Many of you also have one. You take your pressure cooker and remove the blow out plug. get a coil of metal tubing and attach it using a dough seal. Water boils at 212 degrees. boil the water and let the steam condense back to water and you have safe to drink distilled water.

      37. No…in a grid down scenario, the Nuke plants won’t melt down. They are designed to be taken off-line, in an orderly shutdown. Meaning the control rods are injected back into the reactor, and the nuclear fission reaction is stopped. And even if the backup generators run out of fuel, the cooling pumps can be powered by the reactor itself, as it converts heat/steam into electrical power. The backup generators are there to provide the needed power for that orderly shutdown. And all of that would happen long before those generators ran out of fuel.!!!!
        Your biggest concern will be the massive hoards of useless unprepared zombie neighbors. You wouldn’t have enough bullets to fight them off. “When people lose everything, they lose it…..having nothing to lose”.

      38. Yes, this is old news. I’ve seen on fox news and other outlets talk about the grid. The fact is we’re still in the same scenario….And still nothing has been done. The fact that the media keeps talking about this will eventually have ramifications!!

      39. you maniacs you blew it up

      40. I’ve put a lot of thought into this possibility and have prepared. The truth is that if this did occur, I would still be unprepared. Any of these disasters are open ended as to how it will turn out. The best preparation is in yourself since that is the hardest to take away.

      41. I have nothing to worry about. I live off grid with solar power. Have a supply of ammo and am a good shot. Have animals to eat. We grow our own food. Have solar pumps and water storage. Live far enough away from a big city they will not make it here to get shot.

      42. I have worked in the power industry since the mid 80’s the last 23 years in High Voltage Transmission Substation apparatus tasting and Maintenance. After 9/11 I thought Al Qaida would attack the real soft underbelly of Country, the high voltage transmission grid. They haven’t, not yet. But it is well within their capability to do so as well as other terrorist organizations like the more ruthless ISIS. I wrote a website, http://www.nminus3.com that shows how easy it would be to black out a major city for weeks or months. I wrote my scenario based on my knowledge of the equipment and what it takes to restore power. There is no way of preventing a successful attack on what I call the Ultimate Soft Target. There are things people should do to be better prepared to survive an attack and steps that can be taken to lessen the damage to those directly effected and the entire country.

      43. I worked in the Electric Utility industry since the mid 80’s, the last 23 years in high voltage transmission substation power apparatus testing and maintenance. Ever since 9/11 I have been expecting Al Qaida or some other terrorist group to attack the nation’s soft under belly- the high voltage transmission grid. Disabling large portions of the grid is beyond the capability of any known terrorist group but damaging the small portion of the grid that supplies power to a large city is. A successful terrorist attack can easily Black out an entire city for weeks or months depending on what critical infrastructure is destroyed. I base this on my knowledge of the equipment and how long it takes to restore power. I wrote a website, http://www.nminus3.com, to explain to people with little or no knowledge of how the power system is built and operates, which is most Americans, how vulnerable the high voltage transmission system is to a terrorist attack. Hopefully, while it is not possible to protect the grid, it is too exposed, with this information they will get better prepared to survive, post-attack. They also need to demand the Federal and State Governments to do a much better job preparing for an attack to reduce the suffering of the people directly impacted and the economic damage to the entire Nation.

      44. You know those youth dirt bikes? Im talking honda scooters 50-100cc, they have magnetos and basic ignition systems.. ive thought about just taking one and preparing the bike for storage bu removing that magneto, and unplugging the CDI ignition module thing. Think that would suffice against an EMP? It would be just dead copper wires and coils until i brought the magneto back into the equation….?

        Something ive wondered. Theyre great on gas and get around quite nicely.

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