Strategic Relocation Briefing: Northeast: Northern Maine and Canada’s Maritime Provinces: Where to Go To Escape Population Density and Civil Unrest

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    Editor’s Note: In this week’s Briefing expert Joel Skousen hones in on the key issue facing those living in the North-Eastern part of the United States: Population Density. Whether your up in this part of the country or another area like the Southwest that’s just as densely populated, the following information from Strategic Relocation will be helpful when you’re trying to identify an appropriate retreat location for your family. As Skousen notes, what you’re faced with in this area and other metro areas is not only the massive numbers of people, but clogged up evacuation routes as well. In a catastrophic emergency people are going to try to evacuate. You need to know ahead of time which routes they are most likely to take so that you can plan accordingly as you set up your retreat. The insights shared by Skousen will be invaluable when the time comes and you’ll be thankful that you gave them consideration.

    If you’re living in a major city, then you have likely contemplated what you might do in a worst case scenario and you’ve come to the conclusion that the best option is to get out. Like most people who have considered such potential circumstances, you may be tied down for various reasons, one of the primary ones being the funding required for a second home or retreat. In a follow-up to Joel Skousen’s analysis below, the team at Strategic Relocation Consulting may have a very feasible solution for how you can acquire a great retreat property at very little up front cost. You have options and if you’re serious about exploring them then keep reading.

    There is a wealth of information and knowledge to be had in this and previous Briefings from Joel Skousen. You can review previous Strategic Relocation Briefings and related information by clicking here.

    Weekly Strategic Relocation Briefing:  Northern Maine and Canada’s Maritime Provinces
    By Joel Skousen
    Author, Strategic Relocation and The Secure Home

    Perhaps the toughest job I have in recommending retreat locations is for people living in the heavily populated areas of the Northeast—particularly in New York and Boston areas.  In a breakdown of the social order, it’s very difficult for these people to get to the less populated areas in the Midwest through the Appalachian Mountains because of the overall population density even in rural areas and the blocking effect of  large urban areas like Philadelphia and Allentown, PA, Morristown NJ, Hartford, CT, and even Albany NY to the west.  The mountains tend to channel refugee flows into these valley cities that are difficult to skirt, especially when refugees are flowing out of the big cities in all directions.

    While New Hampshire and Vermont are the closest northern states that provide retreat potential, I worry about their close proximity to the Boston metro area—where many Bostonians already have second homes and would be prone to flee in that direction.  Thus northern Maine offers a much higher potential respite from social unrest due to its distance from Boston, its low population density and its less hospitable climate and geography.  People in the New York area would not only have to worry about getting out of NY, but getting around the Boston metro area on their way north.  But there are no risk free options for New Yorkers anyway.

    First, a general overview of the state: Maine has a humid coastal climate. Summers are moderately hot and humid with lots of insects. Winters on the coast are moderated by the ocean, but not so much inland.  Overall, the climate compares to that in upstate New York, generally, where you have serious winter weather and deep snows inland.

    Maine’s major attraction as a retreat location is its backwoods country seclusion (the most heavily forested state in the nation)—but you pay a price for that in insects during the summer and cold in the winter. Blackflies are a real problem as they come in thick swarms and their bites draw blood. So, plan on keeping a year or two’s supply of insect repellent in these northern climes. That said, Maine is one of the healthiest states in the union and one of the best states for surface water cleanliness. There is very little pollution except in southern ME when the wind blows north from Boston area.

    On the downside, be aware that Maine has highly regulatory land use planning system in place. The Maine Land Use Regulation Commission plans, zones, and controls all developments large and small in the unorganized areas of the State.  Maine has risen to have one of the highest state and local tax burdens—residents paying 10% of their income to the state alone

    As a state government, Maine has an entrenched and controlling bureaucracy that is fairly hostile to free markets and business. With this and other environmental initiatives, Maine is destined to always be a down economy with few jobs.

    Until the election of Maine’s libertarian-conservative governor, Paul LePage, budgets always increased each year; taxes stayed high, and the Democratic dominated legislature kept spending. A study by Fred McMahon of the Fraser Institute, Canada’s free-market think-tank, rates Maine as one of the worst places to do business in North America.  Only Alaska is worse.  The legislature, and the media continues to resist the scale-back policies of governor LePage, and with his outspoken penchant to make verbal gaffs that feed the opposition fire, I fear he may not survive long.

    Politically, the population considers itself independent, but in practice they vote for many Left-liberal causes.  Both previous Republican women, Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe were notorious for voting as liberals. Snowe has recently been replaced by former Governor Angus King, elected as an independent, but who caucuses with the Democrats—very telling.

    In short, Maine is not a good destination for permanent relocation, but it has a lot of good retreat possibilities. Despite its faults it is the safest physical location in the Northeast USA given its significant distance from the population and big government problems of the Boston area. Except for property taxes, and the normal building permit and land use planning hoops, having a retreat in Maine doesn’t require that you have many dealings with Maine’s politicians or corrupt judges.  As in all eastern states, you have to keep a low profile.  Here are some specific recommendations:

    Highway 2 coming out of Gorham NH represents the northern boundary of development in Maine.  Above that highway, extended on toward Bangor, the state is riddled with lakes and rivers with very few roads.  This makes for ideal retreat country, though it also adds the hazard of numerous trap zones that are difficult to get around should you have to maneuver for safety.  Know the back roads and rivers better than others and it becomes an advantage.  Best recommendations for retreats are above Hwy 2 and Bangor.

    That said, the most available cabins are in the more populated sections south of Hwy 2, and they are fairly safe if you follow our specific guidelines about siting your home away from well travelled roads and behind the cover of trees and forest.  The long-term danger is of people fanning out into the country side searching for food and shelter once the cities become unlivable through panic and crime.

    Near Bangor:  If you need to be near a city, Bangor is preferred over Portland and is the gateway to the Maine hinterland.  You can safely locate near this city as long as you keep a 20-30 minute travel buffer and stay clear of the freeway.  As always, the rural areas north of town are better than the south in case you have to maneuver.


    No discussion of northern retreats for the NE area would be complete without discussing the Canadian Maritime Provinces of New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland.  Americans can own vacation property in Canada, and a couple of these provinces are even safer than Maine.  Unless you have dual citizenship I don’t recommend moving to the Maritimes, however, which have been chronically depressed economically for years. 2/3rds of the youth leave the area in search of work. I don’t think this area will recover due to heavy handed business regulations.  But there are actually less regulations in terms of buying land and homes than in northeastern states in the US, and prices are often cheaper.

    Let me dispense with a couple of the provinces up front:  Newfoundland is called “the Rock” for good reason—the land is rocky and not fertile, and is not recommended. It’s a long way from nowhere and would be very costly to import the self-sufficiency equipment you would need.

    New Brunswick is just to the north of Maine and has three moderate sized cities (around 150K people), Moncton, St. John and Fredericton, the capital. Economically, they are mostly stagnant like the rest of the region. While there are fertile agricultural areas is some spots, it is mostly rocky and forested – no advantages over Maine, unless you want to get out of the States.

    The two areas I can recommend that have fertile land with basement potential are Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia.  PEI has mostly flat, fertile and serene farm scapes.  Winters are not overly cold, and the summers are not hot due to the maritime weather flows.  However, PEI is the worst province in Canadafor economic freedom so don’t try to start a business there.  For retreats, it’s fine, with the caveat that it is a large island with only one bridge accessing the mainland.

    Nova Scotia, is another large island complex connected to New Brunswick, but much more fertile and suitable for retreats than Brunswick.  Halifax is its major city and port, and has an international airport. It is definitely a livable city with its two universities and doesn’t come with the high price tag of cities typical in the eastern US.

    An acquaintance of mine who has dual US and Canadian citizenship posted this excellent article with colored maps about the Maritimes.  Here on some highlights on the two areas of Nova Scotia which I think merit your consideration:

    “The very fertile Annapolis Valley north of Halifax (shown in red in the map in the link) has agricultural opportunities, reasonable land price. On the main body of Nova Scotia, the general region around the town of Truro, “The Hub of Nova Scotia,” on the Salmon River floodplain, with its population of 12,500, is worthy of consideration. If needed, the Halifax airport is about 65 km (45 minutes) from the town, yet one is a world away from the hubbub of the city of Halifax.  Truro, or the land around it, could offer the best of both worlds – city access with rural/small town daily living.”

    Survival Retreat Consulting: There are several nice retreats that will allow you to be self sufficient in Maine. The first will knock your socks off with several lakes and high ridges, but bring your friends, as it’ll take an army to defend this one! For those of you that are on a budget this Valley Road Retreat should fit the criteria to allow you to build a sustainable property for your bug out location.

    Last but not least, if you’re a pilot and can get out of the Northeast and fly down to Missouri, this spectacular Ozark Retreat property evaluated by both SRC and Joel Skousen would make a spectacular destination, both now and during TEOTWAWKI.

    It’s important to take stock of your own situation and perform a threat analysis for your family. What are the top two threats you think may affect you in your current locale? What are your contingency plans and can you execute them?

    For Northeast CONUS: If you’re simply stuck in this high-density area due to job and family obligations, so be it, take care of your family, but get prepared. Having a well-stocked bug-out bag for each family or group member coupled with a well thought out and rehearsed route will be the game changer if you become one of these ‘refugees’. Acting quickly with advanced intelligence is key, even a few minutes or seconds may be the difference between life and death and success in making it to your pre-purchased and stocked cabin.

    The biggest question you’ll have to tackle is “Do I have a place to go?” This is not rocket science and you don’t have to be rich to be prepped. I know of many properties that are owner carry in Maine, way out in the boondocks, where you can buy it for a minimal amount down and afford to build a small concrete safe room for supplies and put a cabin on top, so nobody is the wiser. Even if you can only afford the down payment and just enough to cache supplies, you well ahead of the rest of the ‘refugees’, so to speak. I have several clients that have done just that, purchased a property and buried supplies in a small underground storage area, and then covered it all up. What do I recommend you purchase and store? The list could be long but the top FIVE will cover these main areas;

    WATER: Purification that is. Have ample ways to create clean water, be it LifeStraws, iodine, bleach or a complete Berkey water filter system, you’ll be glad you did.

    ENERGY: Small backpack size Solar arrays packages are best for this. If you have the digs to pre-purchase a small Freedom Package, I would highly recommend it as you’ll need them to power the LED grow lights in your blacked out greenhouse in three feet of snow….I’m not kidding. Having this system ready to unpack and install would be a spectacular gift to you and your family when you arrive.

    FOOD: On a budget? Buy some nitro-packed heirloom seeds, and of course a few rolls of greenhouse plastic sheeting. Have a few bucks? Buy a years worth of freeze dried food storage. Cash and Carry? Construct an ICF earth bermed Walipini greenhouse and have a caretaker watch over it.

    MEDICAL: This is self-explanatory, buy the best you can afford and store it right. There are many kits out there, but having some higher end supplies like AMP-3 and a defibrillator, although pricey, can be a lifesaver. Even if you’re not a doctor, Paramedic or EMT, having those advanced supplies on-site will come in handy if one of these professionals wanders buy your retreat and comes aboard.

    DEFENSE: Let’s be realistic. This is always on the top of the list, even for myself. But, think through this for a moment. If you don’t have some sort of shelter, abundant fresh clean water, alternative energy and sustainable year round food production capability, is your location worth defending? No. You can live in your greenhouse though!

    I recommend purchasing your group standard firearms and ammunition as well as support gear such as encrypted communications gear and store them separately from the cache ‘bunker’. What to buy? Hang out on for a few hours and you’ll find deals, as prices have dropped to new lows on most firearms and ammunition at this time. For example, a buddy just picked up a new in box Colt LE 6920 Magpul edition FDE M4 (flat-top and forward pistol grip) for $829.00 plus shipping! We all remember these going for over 2k during the panic, if you could find them. You can buy a box of 100 new Magpul Gen 2 30 round mags for $999.00! These were over $50 each, right? So, BUY NOW if you can and cache!

    If you are unsure of your possible locale to make a Strategic Relocation to, please contact Joel Skousen. If you have identified your locale and wish to have your property scouted and evaluated prior to purchase please drop us a line at SRC.

    We are looking for several highly skilled Real Estate Brokers and Agents to bring aboard our new Survival Retreat FSBO and Broker website. If you know of, or are, one of these talented brokers, please drop us a line!

    This article has been generously contributed by Joel Skousen and


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      1. Interesting article, and helpful in some respects for some. I personally do not adhere to the belief that safety lies in a “place”. Initially, perhaps, until the reality of the situation has been accepted. Many will be nomadic for some time. I have high hopes that all of a like mind and spirit will ALL come together to make a stand and defeat the evil which will assail US.
        Just my opinion, and perhaps not the opinion of the multitudes….

        • How can you take someone out of the city that wears
          an ‘I Love NY’ t-shirt. He’s talking oil and water.
          You can take the person out of the city, but you can’t
          take the city out of the person.

          • So if everybody’s heading for the hills, why not just stay in your home?

            • Hell,perhaps stay in theirs,I mean,they left and all!

              • Heres your racist joke of the day…

                One day a mother duck and a mother skunk were traveling down the road with theyre offspring. They came to a crossing and looked both ways to make sure it was safe to cross. It looked good so the proceeded and lo and behold a speeding car came flying down the crossroad and ran over mamma skunk and momma duck. The little duck started crying and the little skunk asked “whats the matter?” The little duck replied “well my momma just got killed and she never got a chance to tell me what I am” The little skunk said “don’t worry maybe I can help you” The little duck said “ok thanks” So the little skunk said ” well lets see, you have webbed feet and feathers and a bill, you must be a duck!” The little duck said “wow your right, gee thanks” They travelled a little further then the skunk started crying. The little duck asked “whats the matter?” The little skunk said “well my mamma died before she could tell me what I am too” The little duck replied “maybe I can help you too” So the little duck said ” ok lets see, your not all black and your not all white, and you stink pretty bad, you must be a mexican!”

                • Or Obama lol

                  • Why was Obama a test tube baby?

                    Because he isn’t worth a f%$k

                    Oh by the way, that joke was told to me by a mexican friend. I have many mexican friends too 🙂

                  • One item that everyone should consider about relocation is what are the laws governing self defense where you are going to live before it happens. You can of course illegally own all sorts of firearms, but if caught this would be terrible before SHTF. I was looking at some of the whacked out gun laws in other countries today and people that are considering migrating to another country should understand that it might be real difficult to get what you need to protect yourself in a place that has all sorts of restrictions.

                    Canada is becoming much european when it comes to firearms and might not be such a good idea if you feel that maximum firepower is necessary to survive, which in most cases it is. Of course complete isolation might means that all one needs is a good long range hunting rifle, a shotgun, and a rimfire for small game. Most countries don’t usually frown about hunting firearms and will allow people to own them without too much hassle. One should never forget about the classic combound bow either that is both stealth and effective.

                    What I can’t figure out is countries like New Zealand that have a less than terrible gun restrictive laws, yet they ban pepper spray. What is it with certain countries and pepper spray? Don’t these countries have vicous dogs that can chew off your arm and leg? I think pepper spray, especially bear spray should be part of everyone’s self defense. Non-lethal protection being banned is just about as stupid and absurd as can be. A non-lethal food that I have seen people spray on their pizzas.

                    Self defense is really what you can get into the place you are relocating to or what you can purchase when you do relocate. Something to always consider. 😉

                  • @bi– i found that wasp and hornet spray is cheaper, stronger, shoots farther than the other cannned sprays.Also can be found easier with less attention. Even has multiple uses.

                  • @bi– i found that wasp and hornet spray is cheaper, stronger, shoots farther than the other cannned sprays.Also can be found easier with less attention. Even has multiple uses.

                  • @ muleskinner. In many locations these anti-self defense nut jobs have made laws to prosecute all sorts of “weapons” such as wasp spray. I remember hearing of people getting in trouble for carrying bleach in spray bottles. It just shows that any anti-self defense wacko is totally pro criminal.

                  • Maine??? North EAST???

                    I am beginning to think this Skousen fella is off his rocker and out of his gourde

                  • I’ll take a Mexican, over a Black or a Jew any day.

                    What do you call a Jewish Dilemma? “A Free Ham Sandwich!”

                  • Hey guys and gals, this is totally off topic but I felt the need to share this today.

                    I was watching the movie Executive Decision today and I noticed slight changes in the dialogue were edited, quite recently I might add. All traces that the “Terrorists were fighting for Islam” were changed to fighting for their leader Jaffa. These quotes which are from the script and posted on were changed..

                    Nagi Hassan: Allah has chosen us for a task far greater than Jaffa’s freedom. We are the true soldiers of Islam. Our destiny is to deliver the vengeance of Allah into the belly of the infidel.

                    Man: This has nothing to do with Islam. This is not Allah’s will. You’re blinded by hatred

                    Allah and Islam were all changed to There, and Jaffa. Now my question to you is why change dialogue in an old 1996 movie? And this is VERY recent because the movie has been on Encore the past two months and I had watched earlier in the month and the dialogue was correct. So, why change it… It doesn’t make sense unless something is going to change really soon…

                    Would love to hear everyones thoughts on this…


                • Granted 72% of the fucking Mexicans believe in gun control, but Mexican bitches are fine. They have big butts and they like to screw a lot. Have you ever dated a Mexican?

                  • You are one sick puppy Acid Etch. you wander all over several subjects with responding to the subject at hand.

                  • Acid is right they breed like rabbits. They are more loyal too than spoiled worthless Valley girls.

            • Go ahead and stay in your home if you, indeed, feel safe there….for now. You are within your “comfort” zone… and it will indeed be difficult for some to “just leave” all behind in order to defend OUR Republic….

              • BI, good evening, and once again, right on target. Braveheart will NOT be leaving the US, PERIOD. Braveheart will stay and fight for his country against the NWO. Braveheart has traveled to the Northeast in years past and didn’t care for the climate there. Met some great people in VT, NH, and even Maine but CT and MA sucked on people. Braveheart will remain the South where there is a better culture, better people, better climate, etc. Just recently made another supply run to the family BOL in north GA. Only a matter of time before he has to go back permanently. His ‘comfort zone’ simply gets transferred from one place to another.

                • braveheart, I agree. My BOL is where I need to gather the community and fight the cowardice bastards that are destroying us. They love it when they move in to areas of unarmed people….

                • @ braveheart. Many people are leaving the U.S. and should consider a lot before doing so. The country is falling apart and some people are just better off elsewhere, and they need to know much before migrating. Each person has to find their special place, I hope you and your family will be safe in northern Georgia WHEN the hammer falls.

                  • BI, my chances of survival increase significantly once I reach the BOL in GA. our family will stand together.

                  • The Facts are, since 98% of the population is NOT Prepared nor even know what the term “Bug-Out” even means, they will remain in their home and wander out on a daily basis in search of food and supplies. And since most are NOT prepared, and only keep a 1/4 Tank of gas in their cars,You will see many last ditch efforts abandoned on the highway where all the cars will be loaded down with all their belongings or what they could nor carry with them. You will rarely find any food or money on the highway, but you will find pillows, blankets. keepsakes, family photos, tools, some valuables and lots of dead-bodies. Proceed with caution with rubber gloves and masks. The Highway ditches will serve as mass graves, and the highways will be solid blockage with car wreckage and burned out cars from overheating. So those prepared better get a Quick head start to your BOL. Or have detailed paper Maps of all the back and side roads. You do NOT want to be on any major highway, as the unprepared digital dependency geeks, will all be funneled on to the same highways together causing bottlenecks, by use of their GPS Systems. Then after they all come to a complete halt miles from any exit ramp they will be walking to the exits, or funnel into neighborhoods off the highway. This will be utter chaos and mayhem.

                  • BI….I truly hope that some DO NOT leave the US….they may well be jumping from the frying pan into the fire…

                • Plenty ongoing here in Georgia today friend.
                  Looks grim at best.
                  Keep your ears open.
                  Things moving quickly.
                  Signs of evil following the hounds of hell.
                  Who knows these day’s?
                  Yet often I tremble for all.
                  And seek guidance regularly.
                  Stay safe friend

                  • Today is nice in Jawja, I just always to try to look UP…

                    English is a tough language – SO COWBOY UP
                    Hummmm what a useful little two lettered you never gave this a second thought, I know I didnt realize this little word had so many different meanings. I am sure this isnt all either…
                    Think about it.

                    Read until the end…’ll laugh….

                    This two-letter word in English has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that word is ‘UP.’ It is listed in the dictionary as an [adv], [prep], [adj], [n] or [v].
                    It’s easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP?

                    At a meeting, why does a topic come UP? Why do we speak UP, and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report? We call UP our friends, brighten UP a room, polish
                    UP the silver, warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen. We
                    lock UP the house and fix UP the old car.
                    At other times this little word has real special meaning. People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses. To be dressed is one thing but to be dressed UP is special.

                    And this UP is confusing: A drain must be opened UP because it is stopped UP.
                    We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP at night. We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP !

                    To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look UP the word UP in the dictionary.. In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4 of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is
                    used. It will take UP a lot of your time, but if you don’t give UP, you may
                    wind UP with a hundred or more.

                    When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP . When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP. When it rains, it soaks UP the earth. When it does not rain for awhile, things dry UP. One could go on & on, but I’ll wrap it UP, for now …… time is UP !
                    Oh….one more thing:
                    What is the first thing you do in the morning & the last thing you do at night?

                    U P !
                    Did that one crack you UP?

                    Don’t screw UP. Send this on to everyone you look UP in your address book..or not…it’s UP to you.

                    Now I’ll shut UP

                • Does braveheart think that referring to himself in the third person gives him an air of intelligence?

            • The biggest point is….when everyone “heads for the hills” (NOT just the “good guys”) Just where will they be obtaining their “groceries”?

              • FOB,

                What would you do if you ran to your BOL and I was waiting for you in your bed? 🙂

                • My advice to FOB, would be to burn the bed. You wild and crazy guy.

                • Put a few holes in you and find my shovel.

                  • You won’t need a shovel, coyotes need to eat also.

                • Acid, you try that with any of my family’s BOLs in GA and you’ll be shot before you could get within 500 yards of the place. Every one of my relatives are marksmen from years of hunting and military service. you wouldn’t stand a chance.

                • Get a blow job of course.

                  • Get one yourself, sucker.

                • My Grandma, what big eyes you have…

                • LOL! I would thank you kindly for providing fertilizer for next years’ garden. AND, would say a very nice prayer for your soul…..
                  Joking of course….Not knowing who you are, I will address this as a real scenario….I have always said that I would do all that I can to assist any Patriot to get from point A to point B. That said again, with finger on the trigger, I(we) would ascertain if you were friend or foe….and make determinations from there….

                • Acid, just another troll from the leftist

              • Houses along the way – first by begging, then demanding, then assaulting.

                Then there will be the schmucks who think they can hunt their way to a full belly.

                Personally, Skousen has it wrong… if you want a good place to ride it out, a deep blue lefty state is PERFECT for this! The urban left-leaning populations will be unarmed, making it far, far easier to fend any of them off should they decide to raid your property.

                Seriously – far, far less firearms to deal with in such areas. 🙂

                • Well that doesn’t make any sense to me….no really, think about it. Aren’t all the high rates of gun violence IN the so called “deep blue lefty states”
                  It stands to reason that when TSHTF al the guns will come out including the ones people hide in THOSE areas

                  • What’s the definition of mass confusion?

                    A father and son day in downtown Detroit.

                  • Two major misconceptions permeate the SHTF scenario. 1: Most folks still haven’t noticed but the poop has been hitting for a very long time, usually in small bits. I love doomsday fiction and have most of the books and the movies, but a large catastrophic event like Panic In Year Zero or The Road is not likely and if it does happen most folks aren’t leaving any large, or even medium town because they’ll be dead or dying. The slower one which were are going through will leave the unprepared stuck without any preps including water and water purification. Diseases will spread rapidly because of poor sanitation and that will take care of most of them.

                  • Yes and no. I should’ve clarified,…

                    Yes, the criminals will still be armed, but the general population will largely not be armed.

                    This means that you won’t be surrounded as quickly by desperate+armed people. As a macabre bonus, it also means the criminals who are armed will be busy feeding off of the unarmed urban population, leaving time for you (out of town or on the way thereof, one hopes) to dig in and fortify.

                • OQ, good to hear from you. how have you been?

                  • Pretty good. busy as hell, but good. 🙂

              • LEARN TO EAT GRASS! (and acorn mush).

            • May want to consider the following (from AOL news)…coming soon to a town near you: APOCALYPSE.

              When compared with levels in January 2013, when the lake was above 1122 feet, the staggering drop becomes even more obvious.

              The water levels on Lake Mead have not dropped below 1078 feet since the Hoover Dam was completed nearly 75 years ago, but scientists expect that might finally happen soon.
              Lake Mead is fed primarily by the Colorado River Basin and provides water for roughly 20 million farms, businesses and residents who live in Nevada, Arizona and parts of California, according to CBS News, and since 2000, the lake has lost an estimated 4 trillion gallons of water.

              “It’s a pretty critical point,” Pat Mulroy, who serves as general manager of the Southern Nevada Water Authority, told CBS. “The rate at which our weather patterns are changing is so dramatic that our ability to adapt to it is really crippled.”

              The potential crisis facing Lake Mead and the broader Colorado River Basin has caught the attention of some celebrities too. Well-known conservationist and Hollywood A-listers Robert Redford and Will Ferrell teamed up earlier this year to try to raise awareness for a project to help revive the river by adding water to it for the

              • Amazing picture at AOL news (graph of water table from 2013 to 2104–Colorado River Basin).

              • I heard a report that we are going to run out of water before we run out of oil! So the best place would be a piece of land with a stream somewhere in the northern U.S. or in Canada. I also saw a chart that said the northeast will be getting 70% more rain because of climate change. So find a piece of land that won’t flood and you’ll be just fine.

            • That may be the only thing that most people can do, staying put.

              Unfortunately, the criminal element would get a LOT worse in times of crisis. And they far outnumber the (fairly) decent people in some areas.

          • If you are going to bug out in your vehicle to your retreat, you should have a scanner with the frequencies of every law enforcement agency along your route programed into it, as well as the state police/highway patrol. A CB radio is also important, a 2 Meter ham radio would be better. It is vital to know what is happening in front of you before you get there. Remember the saying “Roads are for people who want to get ambushed.”

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              • Always from California.

                Land of fruits nuts, and whispering bushes as far as politicians are concerned.

                • Will we see another wave of panic buying like we did with ARs?

                  • Grafique.

                    There was plenty of frag vests, level 3a body armor and PASGT Kevlar helmets about two months ago. When you go to the flea markets the prices have about tripled for
                    garbage gear. Ammo cans, 30 cal. were about $5 now run $12-$14. Fifty cal. ammo cans are now $25 at Dick’s sporting. The web gear like belts, pouches, suspenders are drying up. Some MOLLE and even less ALICE.
                    Army/Navy stores must be making a killing in sales with high prices.


                • It was me that keyed your Mom’s Pacer. You were parked outside the lines and that’s just not acceptable.

          • Crimeny, where are we movin’ to this time? The buckets of beans, wheat and sugar are goin’ to riot!

            • The Sam’s Clubs in all the entire area around me have stopped stocking ll bulk bags of black beans. They either saw the run on them, as their canned beans sales went down with larger profit margins, or they, or somebody does not want people prepping. The only stores still selling bulk dried black beans are restaurant supply companies, but if you are not a restaurant, they ain’t selling to you. Pay attention folks, get all your years supply of foods now. Next week I am going to do more food canning.

              • Funny you mention Sam’s, check this out…

                Americans Can Now Determine Where To Shop And Spend Their Money………

                Election Cycle political donations, as reported by the Center for Responsive Politics.


                Ø Price Club/Costco donated $225K, 99% went to Democrats

                Ø Rite Aid donated $517K, 60% went to Democrats

                Ø Magla Products (Stanley tools, Mr. Clean) donated $22K, 100% went to Democrats

                Ø Warnaco (undergarments) donated $55K, 73% went to Democrats

                Ø Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia donated $153K, 99% went to Democrats

                Ø Estee Lauder donated $448K, 95% went to Democrats

                Ø Guess, Inc. Donated $145K, 98% went to Democrats

                Ø Calvin Klein donated $78K, 100% went to Democrats

                Ø Liz Claiborne, Inc. Donated $34K, 97% went to Democrats

                Ø Levi Straus donated $26K, 97% went to Democrats

                Ø Olan Mills donated $175K, 99% went to Democrats

                Ø Wal-Mart donated $467K, 97% went to Republicans

                Ø K-Mart donated $524K, 86% went to Republicans

                Ø Home Depot donated $298K, 89% went to Republicans

                Ø Target donated $226K, 70% went to Republicans

                Ø Circuit City Stores donated $261K, 95% went to Republicans

                Ø 3M Co. Donated $281K, 87% went to Republicans

                Ø Hallmark Cards donated $319K, 92% went to Republicans

                Ø Amway donated $391K, 100% Republicans

                Ø Kohler Co. (plumbing fixtures) donated $283K, 100% Republicans

                Ø B.F. Goodrich (tires) donated $215K, 97% went to Republicans

                Ø Proctor & Gamble donated $243K, 79% went to Republicans


                Ø Southern Wine & Spirits donated $213K, 73% went to Democrats

                Ø Joseph E. Seagram & Sons (incl. Beverage Business and considerable media interests) donated $2M+,67% went to Democrats

                Ø Gallo Winery donated $337K, 95% went to Democrats

                Ø Coors & Budweiser donated $174K, 92% went to Republicans

                Ø Brown-Forman Corp. (Southern Comfort, Jack Daniels, Bushmills, Korbel Wines, Lenox China, Dansk and Gorham Silver) donated $644 K — 80% went to Republicans


                Ø Sonic Corporation donated $83K, 98% went to Democrats

                Ø Triarc Companies (Arby’s, T.J. Cinnamon’s, Pasta Connections) donated $112K, 96% went to Democrats

                Ø Pilgrim’s Pride Corp. (chicken) donated $366K, 100% went to Republicans

                Ø Outback Steakhouse donated $641K, 95% went to Republicans

                Ø Tricon Global Restaurants (KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell) donated $133K, 87% went to Republicans

                Ø Brinker International (Maggiano’s, Brinker Cafe, Chili’s, On the Border, Macaroni Grill, Crazymel’s, Corner Baker, EatZis) donated $242K, 83% went to Republicans

                Ø Waffle House donated $279K, 100% went to Republicans

                Ø McDonald’s Corp. Donated $197K, 86% went to Republicans

                Ø Darden Restaurants (Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Smokey Bones, Bahama Breeze) donated $121K, 89% went to Republicans

                Ø Heinz Republicans $64,000 Democrats $21,300! John Kerry’s wife’s company!!!

                Traveling and/or Dining

                Ø Hyatt Corporation donated $187K of which 80% went to Democrats

                Ø Marriott International $323K, 81% went to Republicans

                Ø Holiday Inns donated $38K, 71% went to Republicans

                • Heinz has been sold. 🙂

                  • Yep Heinz was sold. I think Warren Buffet may have bought it.??? Or some of it. Imagine if that Liar John Kerry war President?? Folks we have No good candidates any more for President. All a bunch of lying scumbag criminals.

          • Sol. man: Gotcha, We don’t live in nyc, in S.E. with 150,000 pop. with all types of amenities we need or want. Hubby said we won’t lv, as we worked all our lives for what we have and will stand up/fight where we are now. We are downsizing, selling, donating stuff and prep. for meltdown. Few want to form any groups for bartering. People stay socially isolated unless it’s a sports activity. Many retirees I spoke to incl younger, will refuse to be nomads/relocate as they are sick of moving around over the yrs. on job transfers like we had to. Houses will devalue if things slide down, so renting may be best option. Can anyone realize what a hassle moving all your preps, etc. to the sticks with back, knee and other health problems? Many would rather go down fighting!

          • These weekend retreat sales adds basically mixed with opinions by Skousen are all over the map. Wherever his listings are located, seem to be the best retreat location out there. I ask if they are so great then why are the current prepper property owners all selling?? LoL. .

        • Aftermath: Getting To Your Retreat When The Threat Is Real
          Episode 3 – Retreat

          Aftermath Part IV Losing Ground
          Episode 4 – Losing Ground

          Aa former teacher, I think these are good articles to read with your family (teens & up) and discuss with afterward.

          Get everyone thinking. Refresh and review plans to get home.

          Here are a few questions that it brought to mind:
          Did you think the story gave an accurate depiction of what could/would happen?
          Did anything in the story surprise you?
          If this were to happen in our area, what things would be different?
          If you were away from home and this happened, what plans do have to get home?
          What, if any additional items would you pack in your bug out bag.

          In case you missed them, here are the links for parts 1 & 2.

          Aftermath: What Will Life Look Like When The Lights Go Out?
          Bugging Out After An EMP Attack

          Episode 1 – Aftermath

          Episode 2: – The Road Home

        • I can attest to the black fly and deer fly problem in Maine from personal experience. They’re so thick in the woods for an eight week period from late May into August as to make life almost unbearable. Bug dope, liberally applied, will keep them from biting. However, the clouds of them are so think that you can actually ingest them when breathing. A brimmed hat/head net is almost mandatory equipment to enjoy life outdoors when these two species are afoot.

          Then there are the green heads along the coast, active from mid-July to Mid-August, which take bigger chunks.

          • And deer flies. Don’t leave out deer flies. They not only bite, they chew

          • NAVY , here in Michigan the mosquito is the state bird.

            • Which is one reason I fled MI when I retired.

          • I would try some natural ingredients from Health food store, if got one close by… but then, its no fun being covered in gook! Maybe olive oil?

          • That is true, I live in southern ME and have a camp up north, the bugs get vicious there!!!

        • This has got to be one of the most cowardly , turn your tail in and run away articles I have read to date. The author must think the opposition is going to play nice and not actively seek out all your secret hiding places..either by drone or shear canvassing force..really…so they’re gonna leave you alone with all that medical gear so you can treat your friends or some poor unfortunate who happens to be passing by…wow..gimme some of dat smoke Bebe.
          If the colonial army decided to bug out and run away from the fight..we’d all be drinking tea at 4pm and saying God save the bitch.
          I anguished over a post by 3rd down concerning who would stand their ground or who would kneel. 3rd down..I will stand my ground and if I do die..I died for a cause greater than myself..I don’t think the author would

          Live Free or Die

        • Agreed.

          My crystal ball is broken too. Who knows the place the time.

          I started with a bugout bag. Now I have a metric ton of food.

          My bugout bag has evolved into my get home bag.

          Knowledge is wise.

          • Townsaver, I’d like to know about your get-home bag and your get-home plan.

            I travel every week and I think about this a lot, so I’m always looking for fresh ideas.

            • Graf,from what you mentioned you had in bag excepting tent would say you are about as good as it gets,well,a low flying jet pack might be nice and would confuse folks so much the insane that would take a shot at you would still be slack jawed as you are on your merry way.I would say just any new routes ect. look at maps(pieces of paper with locations/distances)and see what side/low/no population trails might make more sense.

        • Maybe 3% of the population is prepping. Less than half of those are self-sufficient in food or have a year’s supply. Preppers aren’t going to get to together to form a new society.

          Your location is extremely important. Big cities and their suburbs will be kill zones. Even small town America will become more dangerous than Detroit once there’s no food. Rural areas far from big population centers will be the safest places to be.

          • I have no choice except to hunker down in large, nasty town because no longer have a car… however, at least I have a bunch of supplies and some friends and loved ones close by…

        • Just like Stephen King’s The Stand. I’m reading it for the third time. The second release (1990,I think) which isn’t as edited, is even better than the first edition.

      2. Like I have said before. When TSHTF I’m stay here. Then a little while later I will go to BOL#1, That is If we haven’t already gone there.

        • Yep.

      3. crap so much for buggin out to nova scotia now.

        thanks joel YOU SUCK!


        • “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
          ― Martin Luther King Jr.

          • Of course it should be noted that MLK was a communist who hated America. He carried on multiple affairs at the same time while he was married. Do a Google search for the “real Martin Luther King.” You’ll find this:

            “According to Assistant Director Sullivan, who had direct access to the surveillance files on King which are denied the American people, King had embezzled or misapplied substantial amounts of money contributed to the “civil rights” movement. King used SCLC funds to pay for liquor, and numerous prostitutes both Black and White, who were brought to his hotel rooms, often two at a time, for drunken sex parties which sometimes lasted for several days. These types of activities were the norm for King’s speaking and organizing tours.”

            • I know you and I haven’t always agreed on issues, however this post of your is right on the money! I believe he had 13 affairs that were verified. MLK wasn’t high on morals, that’s for sure! But you will NEVER hear it in any kind of school!

              • Nor from Glen Beck…..

            • Or it could all be propaganda, but then, men will be men. So maybe there is some truth to it. Sometimes it takes a devil to fight the devil.

              But we are all overlooking something. Most of civilization is just glittering cities of trash and shallow, pretty lies.

              ‘Modern’ pretense hides an ugly truth. Society isn’t dying, it’s already dead. Thats why they say America is ‘decaying’. Thats what corpses do. Decay. The U.S. empire is already dead, but someone forgot to let the dead people know they are witnessing their own funeral. We’re just looking at whats left over of the body while vultures finish picking the skeleton clean.

              Cynics, alcoholic preachers, and realists are just the bones left over, the funny bone in particular, realizing the funniest thing about our situation, that it’s not funny at all: We got taken for a ride. It was a good ride for a time. But now the rides over. Might as well as have enjoyed it while the ride lasted.

              Time to build a new empire on the ashes of billions of rotten corpses. Cause all of you are gonna do fuck all to stop it.

              • As I have always said”We will arise from the ashes of our self immolation like the mighty Phoenix”,just might take awhile.

            • Barncat, I’ve been to that website and what you say is true. Link to follow.

            • really? seriously? who cares. he’s a red blooded american man , being a man is not criminal. i think the man deserves blow off time considering all he accomplished in his fbi assassinated shortened life for african americans.

              As long as the man wasn’t buggering children and small animals i could care less. ever hear of a man called ben franklin? the man threw orgies regularly. how about thomas jefferson? the man had a normal white family and a black slave family by a slave wife.

              At least none of these men have buggered young teens children lil’ boys , girls as bath house teen prostitute murderer barack obama , whore master and pedophile bill clinton and the closet cross dressing gay tag team george bush sr. and jr. family have done and continue to do so.

              And don’t get me started on the jews who’s talmud actually makes rape of a non-gentile goyim boy or girl child under 3 years of age legal and even encouraged. or the known practice of amerikan jews to bugger anally rape young boys in jew bath houses daily in new york city and other jew concentrated communities bathhouses across zog amerika … All legal and condoned by the fake cult of judaism.

              shall i provide you real vetted news links and photo’s ???


              • ZenMonk, check out the 2 links I just posted for King. VERY INTERESTING READING. I think you’ll change your mind once you’ve reviewed the material there.

                • can’t go to sleep without saying this first…

                  “When changing a Civilizations social structure, one must first destroy discredit their historic figures Hero’s who form created the social conscious teachings of the old social structure and belief system.”


                  “Create a new structure of your own belief system and figures Heroic political leaders who support allow you to manipulate and control the social consciousness of the people citizens of your own designed ideal society.”

                  * Kinda similar to what the zio-neocons jews are doing to Zog Amerika today and have been doing for the last 100 years or so.

                  Changing our old national beliefs and American history right in front of us via television radio online videos , common core in the schools and social media pressure.

                  “Take in Inches, what you can in Yards!” ~chinese proverb


                  • “Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”

                    – Ingsoc


                  • “Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”

                    This. Orwell was dying when he wrote that book. He wrote it as prophecy, not as fiction. And he understood better than any, the *titanic* battle that will be fought, is being fought, moment by moment, for the control of all and everything that was, is, and will come to be.

                    Hes a goddamn saint if ever there was such a thing. He opened my eyes to what we all should be fighting for. Not freedom, or liberty, or any other abstract, high-minded idealistic claptrap. I am fighting for the very *survival* of the human *species* in every meaningful way I can. I hope you are too.

                    Because one guy doesn’t change the world, not by himself. The world is’t comprised of one person. Its comprised of many people. And it’s going to take a lot of them realizing just how much they have to lose to do anything to save it all. You stand to lose your job. Your friends. Your way of life. Your family. Your life. Your children.
                    Maybe not now. Maybe not in ten years. But slowly. And all the certainty of a drowning man. You will lose everything. Your future will be swallowed up by the blind ambition of blood thirsty madmen who look at you not as people, but as disposable assets to be traded, sacrificed out cold, for (their) greater good.

                    Unless of course you drop all pretense and realize this very moment, right now you are doing nothing by only talking. Go, to your bathroom, right now, look yourself in the mirror, look in your own eyes. What is it going to take you to realize things do not get done except by doing them?

                    I once said I had a plan. Its not a plan to save any of you. It is my personal plan. It is going to make me a lot of money, because I know wars arn’t about tactics. They are about logistics. But I don’t want to save me. I want to enable others to save themselves. I once said I’d go broke buying bullets and rope for others. I meant it.

                    I hope you see how desperate our situation really is.
                    You will either survive, or you and everyone you love will eventually perish.

                    DO you see now–see why I speak with such urgency? With such vehemence? The hour is later than you think.

                  • Filthy thoughts from a filthy mind.

                  • @DevilMayCry, “Beautifully said!”

                  • Rabbis Say its OK to Kill Goyim

                    This is not science fiction people. This is not said by some antisemitic KKK or NeoNazis these are Amerikan Judaic Rabbis saying its OK to kill non-Jews including children. I have found most of the most damning information about Jewish crimes comes from Jewish sources not so called antisemitic propaganda!

                    For the last two three years I have been persuing the Jewish question and as much as I want to give Jews the beinfit of the doubt I keep seeing things like this over and over and over!

                    … more (vid)

              • Judaism – A very holy religion

                “This does not imply that sexual intercourse between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman is permitted – quite the contrary. But the main punishment is inflicted on the Gentile woman; she must be executed, even if she was raped by the Jew:

                ‘If a Jew has coitus with a Gentile woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmarried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day – because he had willful coitus with her, she must be killed, as is the case with a beast, because through her a Jew got into trouble.”

                Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, Pluto Press, London 1994, p. 87/88,

                • Judaic Mishnah:

                  “When a grown-up man has had sexual intercourse with a little girl, or when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman …”

                  It is obvious that sex activity between a grown man and a little girl, and between a grown woman and a little boy, is a part of the woof and the warp of everyday Talmud life; such relationships, in the eyes of the Judaic Sages, are unremarkable.

                  There is no prohibition on sexual activity between adults and young children — it is simply regulated.

                  Recall the words of the Very Reverend the Chief Rabbi of the British Empire the late Dr. Joseph Herman Hertz:

                  Religion in the Talmud attempts to penetrate the whole of human life with the sense of law and right. Nothing human is in its eyes mean or trivial; everything is regulated and sanctified by religion. Religious precept and duty accompany man from his earliest years to the grave and beyond it. They guide his desires and actions at every moment.

                  — Rabbi Dr. Hertz

                  Thus, if the Talmud permits girls three years old and younger to be sexually used by adults, that is the Judaic law.

                  The concern of the Judaic Sages is to ensure that the adult is not, technically speaking, in violation of any of the Judaic rules.

                  • Hebrews 7:25 –
                    “Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him…”

                    …Even ZenMonk.

              • ‘red blooded American man..” well zen, you got one out of three right. Mr. Ray showed the world it was indeed red. I’m guessing as a commie sympathizer the colour red is a favorite of yours, as well.

            • The Dalai Lamas were some of the most brutal dictators on the planet. Look it up sometime.

              • Yeah but they were excellent painters. I use to always see them trying to sell their prints on TV. I personally thought their paintings looked kind of stupid. Trekker Out.

                • Elvis on velvet ? LOL

          • MLK was a dumb ass.

      4. It’s a good idea to go north from New York or Boston. New Brunswick doesn’t sound bad. It has about 750,000 people with three cities having a population of 50,000-70,000 each. If it was in the US it would have the 10th lowest population density.

        People often complain about northern winters but it’s worth it to get away from large cities. You can still grow more than enough crops to survive up there.

        I live in NE Wisconsin. I think I’ll be OK where I am.

        • There is no poor weather, only poor clothing.

          • Tell me that after you have gone ice climbing and winter camping old man.

            • AE, what do you know about winter camping! I’ve camped in a lean-to when it was 3 below. Trekker Out.

              • MT

                When Acid Etch puts on a few years they will be calling him OLD MAN.

                “Tempus Fugit”, AE.


          • You’re absolutely correct, JR. I’ve been camping/hiking in some of the worst winter weather in the lower 48, but we had great gear which made it not only tolerable but fun.

            Those who think otherwise are just little juvenile know-it-all punks whose daddies were too drunk to give them a good whipping.

        • Our bugout is no further than I can make it on foot from work in 2 weeks or from home in 3 days. All on backroads with water. If your looking for a new place Skousen is a smart man with good info but I had to take where I live in account of where I can make a decent living. I have the means to travel 14 days on foot in my vehicle minus water which my route has provided. It would suck but I can do it. Follow a river to my destination minus about 40 miles (from work). I suggest packing a lot of canteens in your BOB and mainstay bars and a small water purifier.

        • New Brunswick does not have as good of farming land as Nova Scotia, in general, unless you are on the eastern side. Just FYI. It is also half French, which could be an issue (some French are great, but most are leftist socialist types)

        • I went to UW Oshkosh party town. Go Packers!!

          • My little bother was a devout cheese head.

        • @ Barncat

          What do you think of your sick neighbors in Minnesota that voted a liberal Muslim into office?

          I think that should be illegal.

          The bastard is speaking outhis ass, as if anyone with half a brain is listening to his bs.

          Wisconsin and it’s people are ok from what little time i have been there.
          Minnesota was not a good experience and the people acted like zombies. No wonder they voted for Jesse Ventura and a friggin muslim.

      5. As I have always stated,drawing a line in the sand of North woods of New England,not being pushed further unless my tis my corpse by a dozer.Some family much older and actually may leave but they are going to leave country at that point,not for me but don’t blame em.

      6. Bug in for me and neighbors. Have food,water,weapons. Only lacking in alternative energy.

        • Jim, solar is cheap right now, if your interested I have 14 years of experience and have done it profesionally and now as a side job. I’m sure I can help you if you want just ask 🙂

          • Can you recommend a rig for my sailboat? I have lights, small fans, and a fridge.

            • Acid, First I need to know how much room you have to mount some panels. Next I need to know if you frige is ac or DC and how many watts it uses. Are your lights AC or DC, and does your boat already have a battery bank or inverter. There is no one size fits all system. Just off the top of my head I would say you will need at least 8 6v golf cart type batteries or 4 L-16 type batteries and at least 5-600 watts of solar panels. I am assuming your system is 12 volts but let me know and I will give an estimate of what you will need.

            • Yes,for years(decades )has been a trawling generator for sailboats,check out Hamilton Ferris solar,he made one a long time ago and still sells em.

          • Genius; thanks for the offer. At this time my HOA doesn’t permit solar panels. That may change in the future in which case I’d jump on it.

            • HOAs should be BANNED.

              • Eh,you go there voluntarily,I would never buy in a condo/hoa community or any town that had a hoa style govt.

            • Jim, I have done installs on houses with HOA. Usually they will let you if the panels match the roof. For instance if the roof is black then use black framed modules with black faces and paint the conduit and combiner box black so it doesn’t stand out. Also if you have an outbuilding with a south facing roof they may allow you to do it on that. Worth a try…

      7. Nothing wrong with hampster or Vt.,Northern Me. can get a fine cape on say 5-10 acres for 40 or less,you are not fine there,well,most places history then.I will say the woods in Northern Me. a great final bug out but truly is a different world then most woods,easy to get lost and the winters are very challenging in any of Northern New England.As for the out of staters with homes in New England,well,some know how to survive and some will die,same as anywhere.

        • Oh,as for Nova Scotia,won’t really work for me as I was kicked out of Canada permanently 20 plus years ago,was go to airport and get on plane or go to jail for a group of us,some just straight out jailed.That said,somehow my life has gone on!

          • No worries WCD, Canada will be boring compared to US. Hang around for the fireworks 🙂

            • Actually,am starting to appreciate”boring”,must be getting old!

              • Ya WCD me too lol. But Im afraid we will HAVE to watch this show no matter what. Dammit why wasnt I born in 1790?

                • Genius, and Warchild, Canada is communist territory anyway. You’re not really missing anything in that coun try.

                  • Actually, the opposite is true, Renegade Braveheart. Left the US 3 years ago for Eastern Canada. Never realized how truly warped American life was until I experienced life without seeing cop cars constantly, surveillance cameras every where, and the blatant propaganda that dominates every aspect of daily American life, as I had in the Boston suburbs. Then seeing the events of a ten square mile shutdown of recent infamy, which was very close to where I used to live, made me thankful even more for what I have now.

      8. The Happy Wanderer

        Words by Antonia Ridge and music by Friedrich W. Moller, copyright © 1954 by Bosworth & Co., Ltd.

        I love to go a-wandering,
        Along the mountain track,
        And as I go, I love to sing,
        My knapsack on my back.

        Val-de-ri, val-de-ra,
        Val-de-ri, val-de-ra, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
        Val-de-ri, val-de-ra
        (repeat last line of previous verse).

        I love to wander by the stream,
        That dances in the sun,
        So joyfully it calls to me,
        Come join my happy song.


        I wave my hand to all I meet,
        And they wave back to me,
        And the blackbirds call so loud and sweet,
        From every greenwood tree.


        High overhead the skylarks sing,
        They never rest at home,
        Just like me they laugh and sing,
        As o’er the world they roam.


        Oh, may I go a-wandering
        Until the day I die,
        Oh, may I always laugh and sing,
        Beneath God’s clear blue sky,

      9. I guess I don’t understand the bug out location. Why not just live in a bugged out spot to begin with? Why would anyone live in a shit hole area to begin with? If you truly believe TSWHTF, move now. Don’t wait till you have to. That just seems stupid!

        • Wrong, unless you are retired and have an income living in a bugout location is not feasable. For those of us that still have to work our requirements are being in close proximity to employment. Even if I chose to just wheel and deal stuff under the table I would still need to be near a city to make it work. Living out in the stix isn’t an option for working age people. Even though we have no debt at all we need paper satans for now to satisfy the monster machination. Hope this answers your questionable question …

          • Wrong — told you so …..

            • At what time will you choose to bug out? Right before it hits? When will that be? Or right after? Too late! Think outside the box. You don’t need to live in a suburban area to survive. I’m doing fine and so are lots of others. Living in a suburban area is just a bad idea and not for me. I stand by my statement above.

              So there!

              • wrong, thats good you can make a living where your at. I’m not worried about being able to get out of Dodge on a moments notice. We have several backroads that will get us where we need to go without going anywhere near town. We chose this place based on that and it’s great. so there 🙂

        • So true. Unless you can farm as a business, you are pretty much locked into urban and suburban areas.

      10. Bug outs won’t matter in the long run….see the drone, shoot the drone….here come more drones….we can only be safe within a cover of protection….and that is what WE gave up some time ago…..perhaps we can “get” it back…but, perhaps it will take a great deal to accomplish it….

      11. Being a New England native, I can vouch for every downside about Maine. Family begged me to relocate there when I retired, but the taxes, the weather, the mosquitoes…..

        Old Maine story – two dudes are lounging in front of their tent a bit after dusk, and two Maine mosquitoes happen by. The one says to the other: “Shall we eat ’em here or drag ’em into the woods?” Second mosquito says, “Whatever – but we better act quick. If we dawdle the big guys’ll get ’em.”

        • Were those two-engine mosquitoes, or the four-engine boys?

      12. Here’s a question that has never been answered to my satisfaction…..

        What are you going to do when you arrive at your BOL only to find it already occupied by “uninvited guests”?

        In all honesty….I’ve never seen this scenario talked about, or even mentioned really. Yet it is a very real possibility that someone that you don’t know may have already beat you to your spot. And in a “without rule of law” situation (which is why you are going to your BOL anyway isn’t it?) possession truly is 9/10ths of the law.

        To my way of thinking…unless your BOL is relatively close, you are going to be almost assured that someone else is already there.

        And if your BOL is more than a tank of gas away, you are going to have an extremely difficult time getting to it unless you beat the rush. Once SHTF, the ability to travel far in a vehicle will be extremely limited. And your chances of being ambushed by the thousands of others who are also bugging out (but have little to no supplies)are beyond extremely likely.

        Just something to think about.

        Any ideas regarding this?

        • Well, Walt, what do YOU think is the correct method of removing those unwanted “guests”? What I would do is “GET THEM OUT” by several means…if talking does not work, what next? Only YOU will know what to do when/if it occurs….

          • I hear you FOB…

            But I wonder if people have thought this thing through.

            If it’s just you and your family going to your BOL, and when you get there you find that it’s occupied by a half-dozen or more armed “guests” that have no intention of leaving, then things can go south very quickly.

            I guess my point is that unless you already live at your BOL…trying to get to it AFTER SHTF is going to be an iffy deal.

            • Walt…recon, and if the numbers are not in your favor…move on. Far better to live and fight another day. Just another example of “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”….AND, if you already live in your BOL, you may find “intruders” wishing to have what is yours….there is no win win situation when someone places all their “security” into a “place”….be ready to leave wherever you are in order to survive….have what you need always in packs if you need to depart rapidly….

              • Imagine trying to get out of NY City if there is a mass exodus and the GW bridge gets blown up.

                Not many escape routes without scuba gear.

                “Now, if I had that ole Fol-boat I made fun of for years”.

            • Don’t forget to bury 3 caches on the way to your BOL just in case.

        • Walt: Anyone who can afford a BOL (within a tankful of gas) should be able to afford surveillance cameras linked to the Internet for your viewing. When there is an unlawful intrusion notify the local Sheriff of the Trespass. If the grid goes down it might be a clue to start your BOV!

          Be there to get there. 🙂

          • I would kill them from the outside, then work in….

          • I would say that if the grid goes down, it’s already too late.

          • Surveillance cameras are useful BEFORE SHTF. After….they will be pretty much useless…especially once the grid goes down. Even prior to loss of power and the Internet, local law enforcement will likely be too occupied with other matters to divert resources to somebody (from out of town) calling into complain about trespassers.

            • Walt: Up until that moment that the grid goes down, your internet surveillance cameras should be operating. Until they stop operating, and before SHTF, you should be able to monitor your property.

              After SHTF and the grid goes down, and depending upon the type of SHTF we are talking about, it may be time to relocate with that last tank of gas to your sanctuary, which you know has been free of Trespassers until Grid Down.

              I think it unlikely that anyone will have occupied your BOL in the few hours after the grid goes down and when the internet stops working.

              But go loaded for bear and hostiles and engage at a distance with rifle and scope. Under English Common Law, Trespassers can be shot within 60 feet of your main residence if they have breached a security fence or wall.

              That’s your Castle Doctrine. But know your State Law. 🙂

            • Yeah and when you finally get to your BOL, you find a 50 member biker gang already there eating your and using your cabin. So approach your BOL stealthy and armed to the teeth. Or you just may be their new slave b!tch

        • Walt, that’s a reasonable question to ask, but in my case, my cousin’s BOL I’ll be escaping to is already occupied by a 50-year-old widow who is a ‘feisty old broad’ in her own right. She knows how to hunt, fish, trap, forage, etc. and is a better shot than I am. Plus, the rest of the family are right there in the vicinity if the ‘uninvited guests’ turn out to be more than she can handle and the family has all of the same survival skills she has. Nobody tangles with any of my family in GA if they want to live.

          • Remember: 85% of people will not kill when the time comes, based on military studies; also, it’s unpredictable who will kill even by personality and social status. Acts of violence will shock you hard. Experience killing animals has no correlation and is meaningless.

            Don’t get me wrong I’m all for killing looters, I just want people to plan realistically.

            • I believe your percentages to be way off the mark….Nothing is “noted” NOW…with those of US NOW….Knowing what I know , I would have absolutely no problem squeezing a trigger…Period.

          • Yeah people talk tough during peace times. But…. Shooting and killing will be the easy part. Getting rid of the bodies is 10 times more work. Prefer to shoot them outside of your cabin. No need to mess up the inside interior walls and floors with body DNA etc…

          • Yeah, and there’s a total of 12 teeth between all of ’em, hyuk hyuk……

        • Mr. Walt,

          Get or make some flash bangs smoke bombs tear gas pepper spray and stink bombs. Worse comes to worst you burn them out. They will come back for revenge unless you prevent that from happening.

          I do not forsee our SHTF being much more than a lower standard of living.

          Full blown SHTF only upon grid down or pandemic IMHO.

          Don’t tell me off when I’m trying to communicate with you here.

          • I certainly will not tell you off when you post reasonable stuff. And what you just posted is entirely reasonable.

            Thanks for your input!

          • AE…my suggestion is to mix ammonia and bleach in a beer bottle and toss it in…they will be so ready to come out of there. Explosions tend to be dramatic and last for a few seconds, not to mention what would be done to your “castle”. If they burn the place down..or one of those explosions you toss in hits a fuel cell…well then your precious BOL won’t be fit to live in or defend. We don’t get to choose if we live or die..we only get to choose how we die in defense of this country. Bugging out will only prolong the inevitable if your only intent is to hide and cower..think about this, a BOL is just a box you put yourself in and your options are diminished close to 0. Meanwhile, as any of you are making your way to your shangrilah..Patriots will be in the cities, in the country-sides standing their ground making them ultimate sacrifice for which you think ” better them, than us”. Your actions are no different than the elite who have others do the dirty work and die so you can live…where’s the love Bebe?

            You either make a choice to…
            Live Free or Die

        • Better be ready to pot ’em one by one if they come outdoors, because attacking a defended house is not going to work. Bring your lunch, and water. Lots of lunch and water.

        • Walt thats exactly what Acid Etch is going to do to FOB’s BOL. FOB how are you going to handle it? Trekker Out.

          • trekker….read my response to etch-a-sketch….scroll up

        • Concealed Burglar Bombs operated by radio control.

          (Look up “Burglar Bomb”. Mighty useful little gadgets.)

      13. Portland Maine, by the way, has become San Francisco East. If you value traditional marriage, stay away.

        • I thought that distinction went to Asbury Park NJ?

          • Asheville, NC

          • baby catcher 55 ,
            Cape May NJ Too, vacation spot of former NJ governer Mcgreevy.

            Semper Fi 8541

        • Just have to go 45 minutes north west of 95.

      14. “A fanatic is one who cannot change his mind and will not change the
        subject.” — Winston S. Churchill

        River Rat at the ready!!! NOMI///MOLON LABE!!

        • Funny, Winston never new me.

      15. test

        • Sorry for the test, haven’t been able to post for 24hrs…strange?

          Although I care for the NE preppers I can care less about the NE, they fall in the same category as California.
          I live in the northwest and can say the same about most here. I do know that I can make it to many heavily forested areas by foot, car or bike within 30min of my location, but like Sgt I’ll make that call when it comes.

          • Y99, same goes for me. I’ll decide when the time is right for me to bugout but my trip will take the better part of a day. have extra gas just in case.

      16. You know as much as I would rather be elsewhere living in a redneck a town of just over 600 people really isn’t all that bad either since most of them is of a like mind, I’ll agree that upstate along the St. Lawrence is more what I had in mind really isn’t feasible just the living expenses and the taxes are mind blowing the very reason why we live here in the first place, so after much soul searching and laying awake for many nights trying to make up our minds we have now decided that the only sensible thing for us to do is bug in and ride it out. Ninety six jars of canning later and a bit more to go I need to concentrate on the power problem, yes oil lamps are great to see by but keeping things cold is really a much bigger problem that I’m going to have to get at along with the medical equipment that has to have power for my husband to continue his life with. I’m saying solar but the whole idea stumps me along with what is said to be the high cost
        which our income won’t allow. Gotta go think on it some more. Got the water under control thanks to a friend. Amy idea’s anyone?

        • First thing to realize is that you don’t have to power the whole house. All you need is enough power for medical devices and perhaps a small under-counter refrigerator. You need to add up the wattage requirements for the medical equipment. Even a small refrigerator uses 80 or 90 watts.

          You might be able to power the medical equipment with one 45-watt panel kit from Harbor Freight for $200. And you would need to buy a 12-volt battery. You would also need an inverter, unless the medical equipment runs on 12 volts. If you have a really tight budget and are handy with a soldering iron, you can buy separate cells, even slightly damaged ones, and assemble your own panels. There are instructional videos on YouTube.

          Unless you have to keep medicine cold, you can do without a refrigerator.

          I have a small solar setup just so I can power communications equipment and a computer. I also have a small refrigerator, so I might buy a few extra batteries so that I can run the refrigerator occasionally for special occasions such as making ice for ice cream.

          If I win the next Publisher’s Clearing House contest, I’ll buy more solar panels so I can keep the big refrigerator and freezers going.

        • Holy Auntie Em, Batman……

      17. Like my father before me
        I will work the land
        And like my brother above me
        Who took a rebel stand

        He was just 18, proud and brave
        But a Yankee laid him in his grave
        I swear by the mud below my feet
        You can’t raise a Kane back up
        When he’s in defeat

        • The night they drove OLD DIXIE DOWN!!! Sad day my friends.

          River Rat at the ready!!! NOMI///MOLON LABE!!

          • Y’all are making me cry.

      18. This guy knows nothing about Maine. Right now property is dirt cheap compared to the rest of the country as long as your away from the coast. 3 and 4 season cabins can be had for 130k on natural lakes and ponds.

        • Mic,much cheaper without lakes/ponds tax and cost wise,still have plenty of water in area,was just up outside Lincoln area and as said before a small cape ect. on 5-10 acres in the 40 range,you have the skills to survive/navigate the whole northwest woods right around the corner.

        • I would also wonder about the ability to cross the border to Canada in an emergency. What’s to stop them from closing their borders?

          • It’s the most unguarded border in the US.

      19. I say bug in your own home get a neighborhood thing going if you have good neighbor’s, help each other and fight for what is yours.

        Why go some place and have to establish yourself in new turf that is uncharted and probably not safe anyway.

        You should have all your preps by now even a person that does not have a lot should have something.

        If not shame on ya.

      20. Things to think about your BOL move after the SHTF moment. First of all is your BOV bullet proofed, the difficulty of fighting from a moving vehicle, etc.? When you leave home you are now a refugee until you make it to your BOL. Do not think for one minute the bad guys have not thought about this and will be out in force just to ambush fleeing people. So should you stay or should you go is your choice, when should I go, at what point of the collapse is enough to cause that? Is your BOV already loaded up, will you have to wait for people to get home, just remember TIME is a very large concern in a BUG OUT! Do I have several routes that I can take to the BOL? The list goes on and on, JUST THINK! If you are not already at your BOL you should be now, why because when it happens, it will more than likely be too late to go. In a SHTF Event no grid no stop lights traffic jams total panic, so when is the right time bug out only you yourself can answer that question! As for my family there will be no leaving home we were born here and we will die here PEROID! If make your stand is called for so be it we are ready. The choice of stay or go and when is yours so give it deep thought, just me on the river bank thinking.

        River Rat at the ready!!! NOMI///MOLON LABE!!

        • I am glad for you. Unfortunately, some of us have to have job, which is really only do-able in large cities, and have to take care of elderly family (lazy leftist sibling won’t do their part, so it falls on me.)

        • See what happens when you play with matches…:-D Allah Akbar bebe

        • See what happens when you play with matches…:-D Allah Akbar bebe

      21. stay tuned for the last 30 seconds

        • Follow up,
          We got real lucky,
          The Big Island got a solid wack but even they were saved by the high mountains, just loke we were, still, there was lots of damage over there and lots of folks wishing they had taken it more serious, already have dozens commenting how they are sick of local government and media crying wolf, to them it was a false alarm, they dont get the part about Mother nature doin her own thing and going where she wants to go, Hana, Kipahulu, Kaupo, Kahikinui, Ulupalakua all got rocked, but these folks are mostly all off grid and what i would call self sufficient anyway, so despite trees down and roads washed out you dont hear much about it, MSM really doesnt care about small communities, but the locals care, most of them anyway, still have lots of stupid ass people here too who are in a fog and think we are immune, its not IF but WHEN we get smacked,
          Odds keep going up.

      22. Watched a foreign news show the other day. They were discussing the Globalist agenda and their timetable. The Globalists had given themselves 5 years for regime change of all uncooperative governments in the middle east. And 5 years to change the regimes in Russia and China. They are behind schedule. Why the timetable? The Globalists know the world economy is going to implode by then. This way the Globalists will set up the one world government and currency. The new world order. Only problem is this, they aren’t moving fast enough. When the world economy collapses and they haven’t completed what they call full spectrum dominance, this will leave the US and EU as third world countries, totally destroyed, economically and demographically. Most observers don’t give the world economy much more than 1 or 2 years. Get it while you can. Should get real nasty.


        Dr. Edwin Viera, Jr. PHD JD
        August 9, 2014
        @ News With Views

        “The Militia are, as they have always been the definitive preventative of and answer to “martial law”, or any other manifestation of usurpation or tyranny. No threat of “martial law” would exist if Americans were properly organized in the “Militia of the several states”, because any constitutionally valid form of “law” that needed enforcement by “martial” institutions against civilians would be the civil laws of the Union and of the several states executed by the Militia, that is by WE THE PEOPLE, themselves.

        Even the half witted rogues in the disgrace of Columbia would think long and hard about the inadvisability of attempting to envoke “martial law” if WE THE PEOPLE awakened to thr CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY IN THE MILITIA, refused to recognize the legitimacy of the “law” that needed “martial” enforcement against civilians, but was not executed by or under the control of the Militia by means of STATE LEGISLATION under the STATES’ RESERVED CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY in that respect; and through that effort prepare themselves to oppose “martial” law, even if that legislation could not be enacted in time in every state. EMPHASIS ON THE LAST POINT IS VITAL.

        Even if patriots could not succeed in having proper Militia statues enacted throughout the country before major economic, political or social breakdown occurred, they could at least motivate, educate, organize, equip, and train tens of thousnads of Americans who would be capable of acting collectively in their countries interests. The critical mass does not exist at present; and it will NEVER come into being unless steps are taken to revitalize the militia.”

        More points of interest follow in this article:

        * Some of the Responsible Parties
        * The Castraphards
        * The Appeasers
        * The Intellectual Elites
        * The ‘Patriotic Gurus of the Ether
        * The Members of “Private Militias”, proponents of the so
        called “individuals right to bear arms”
        * Purveyors Of Fairy Tale Panaceas for Americas Problems
        (covers why impeachment of Obama won’t solve America’s
        * At the End of the Rope

        “Yes, time is rapidly running out. But perhaps that is not so bad, after all. Although Americas’ neck is in the noose, perhaps the threat of “Martial Law” will finally stimulate enough of her remaining “Good People” (as the Declaration of Independence styled true patriots) to think about–and then take action aimed at–a revitalization of the Militia before the trap door on history’s scaffold springs open and the threat of “Martial Law” becomes a FATAL actuality.

        After all, as Samuel Johnson once reputedly quipped, “nothing focuses a man’s mind more than his impending hanging”.”


        Ever hear of anything concerning this “well regulated militia in several states” written in the Constitution from your favorite MSM talking heads, from your favorite conservative representative, or even on Sunday, sitting in your favorite church, from your preacher/teacher?

        Rush Limbaaugh, Shawn Hannity, BECK, Alex Jones, “the one looking out for the folks” O’Reilly, any of these folks telling you about your rights as Militias? Hell no, not a peep. Why is that? Controlled by TPTB is what they are to keep Americans from learning the truth.

        E-mail this man’s articles to every person you know…..

        His article should be reprinted on every Survival Blog on the internet…..

        • Thats one thing that really pisses me off as well as just leaves me speechless, we have the right to form a militia, we have a right to be armed, but everyone is afraid to even talk about the constitution, our rights, etc, and the msm vilifies anyone who acts and organizes,
          Its all about power, and the few exercising their desire to rule over and control the rest of us, what are they so afraid of?
          In my mind if they were on the up and up with us they shouldn’t have anything to worry about, but since they want us to work our asses off to finance their agenda they need us subservient,
          They can go to hell, Divergent, the idea that anyone will exercise free thinking and a willingness to not be controlled is the thing that scares the crap out of TPTB, and this is real, not some dystopian novel

          • Kula:

            Unless owners of “survival blogs” did not know of this article and author, why is patriots not being made aware to organize their “militias under state legislators” to fend off ‘Martial’ law?

            Survival blogs are full of articles on impending ‘martial
            law’ but never have I seen anything like this article on what patriots can do with ‘Militias’ under our constitution.

            If you read this article, can you think of any reason Mac and other site owners wouldn’t make it a main subject?

            • POG…I have brought this up before on here about militias, so called “oath keepers” and oath takers.

              These arguments sound good and patriotic and whatever…they are, in fact, not grounded in the Constitutional provisions and the militias “of the several states” are bound to get themselves in trouble with articles like this.

              Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 should be read before the militias take to the streets as a force against Empire. Their job, as stated in the Constitution, is to put down insurrections. They are under the beck and call of the president.

              “The president shall be Commander in Chief…of the militia of the several states. when called into the actual service of the United States…”


              The link will help…maybe THIS should be spread around instead. Militias are not the answer…local groups of 5 to ten are…

            • Right on with spirit there PO Granny,

              You really nailed this one and it is too important to be at the bottom of any page.

              In fact i would like to see it as a main article as a reprint on this site.

              Any way to make that happen Mr, Slavo?

              I think we the people have a right to discuss this as a real possibility for action from every state.

              Not just a bunch getting together as vigilantes or so-called Oath Keepers. As state militias as in conjunction with the approval of the people, by the free republic for which we stand.

              We are still free aren’t we?


      24. You have a right to say whatever you want, but the government will arrest whoever listens. From “Zorro the Gay Blade”.

      25. I’m not running. Sorry. I live in the city. Somebody has to live and die through it all. What’s everybody so worried about dying for anyway?

      26. There seems to be the notion that you must be a farmer to earn a living in farm country. It’s simply not true. 95% of rural folk earn their living providing the same basic goods and services as in the rest of the country. Everyone needs food, clothing, and shelter, as well as a good mechanic, someone to patch their roof, repair their appliances, and so on. If you have a skill in handcrafting items, those items can be sold locally or either shipped to customers or sold in the closest city. I have friends who make fine furniture, custom leather goods, jewelry, fly fishing rods and hand-tied flies which they sell outside of the community and all of them started those careers as a hobby. I have other friends who work online. As long as the grid is up or transportation isn’t impeded, they will earn money, and when shtf, they are already in place.
        The second topic I’d like to address is securing your BOL without hi-tech equipment. There are many ways to booby trap a building: floor traps, a 12v car battery with an induction coil hooked to doorknobs, flare guns with buckshot hidden behind a mirror when a drawer is pulled open, jars of battery acid on high shelves rigged to tip over when a cabinet is opened. The possibilities are only limited by your imagination. Yes, someone might get to my BOL before me but they won’t be able to ambush me when I arrive.

        • I just got a GOOD friend that rents up front on the road…
          Hunts for free, in turn for keeping an eye on the place…

      27. Joel.. Upstate NY is a big area.. True, the people tend to have a few screws loose, but there’s many an enclave if necessary.

        • @Rarefied Snotress – I am from Upstate N.Y.
          Yes, it is a big area. Lake Ontario is beautiful.
          People have a few screws loose no matter
          what state you go to.

          Gov. Cuomo is now flooding the telly with ads telling New Yorkers how great he is. (Not)

          NYC may love Cuomo. Upstate New Yorkers do not.
          There are ‘Repeal the Safe Act’ signs on peoples lawns
          all over. There are also some ‘Impeach Cuomo’ bumper stickers and signs cropping up. That knee jerk gun and bullet restriction law was pushed through in the stealth of night.

          I live in Monroe County – Rochester, N.Y.
          Monroe County has the Highest Taxes in New York.
          Get this though – Monroe County has the Highest Taxes
          in the United States.

          Thank you for all the democratic N.Y. Governors.
          Upstate N.Y. does not vote you in, NYC does.

          • Cuomo, as defined by the dictionary, is a fascist

          • What taxes do you mean?

      28. FLASHBACK – US Vaccines Caused’Spanish Flu’
        “The 1918 ‘Spanish Flu’ started in American military Camp Funston, Fort Riley, USA amongst troops making ready for W.W.I – taking on board vaccinations, recruit training and all. It eventually killed about 40,000,000 people worldwide. That flu strain only appeared briefly once again, according to the US Atlanta CDC. This was in 1976 and again it struck at the US army camp Fort Dix, USA, amongst recently vaccinated troops (and no one else EVER); Fort Dix is known to have been a vaccine trial centre. Was the world’s greatest ‘influenza’ scourge another well-hidden vaccine disaster?”—John P Heptonstall

        The 1918 flu pandemic was proclaimed the “Spanish Flu” even though it clearly did not originate in Spain. This suggests that even back then, something was being covered up.

        This is worth recalling now that multiple sources have identified the Kenema bioweapons lab in Sierra Leone, operated by Fort Detrick and biologists from Tulane University (but now closed and under investigation by the Sierra Leone government), as the starting point for the current Ebola outbreak and that an Ebola vaccine being tested either accidentally or deliberately triggered the disease.

        TRY AND RUN FROM A VIRUS – LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      29. Its off topic. However the bonnevlle speed week on the salt flats near Wendover Utah. The races have been canceled. heavy rain has flooded the formerly dry lake bed. Its something to think about that wherever your are located the changing climate due to the ongoing magnetic pole shift needs to be considered. if the climate becomes inhospitable you might have to leave for greener pastures?

      30. Seems to me that if someone is going to pimp real estate, they should learn the geography first. How is Philly or Morristown or Hartford considered a “valley city”?

        ” the blocking effect of large urban areas like Philadelphia and Allentown, PA, Morristown NJ, Hartford, CT, and even Albany NY to the west. The mountains tend to channel refugee flows into these valley cities that are difficult to skirt”

        Dont know about everyone else but I dont have the time to waste on nonsense, bullshit, or fiction. Theres a world of stirred up shit out there.

      31. Slow day at the plan, Enjoy…

        Subject: The horseback riding Blonde

        A blonde decides to try horseback riding, even though she has had no lessons, nor prior experience. She mounts the horse unassisted, and the horse immediately springs into motion. It gallops along at a steady and rhythmic pace, but the blonde begins to slide from the saddle.

        In terror, she grabs for the horse’s mane, but cannot seem to get a firm grip. She tries to throw her arms around the horse’s neck, but she slides down the horse’s side anyway The horse gallops along, seemingly impervious to its slipping rider.

        Finally, giving up her frail grip, the blonde attempts to leap away from the horse and throw herself to safety. Unfortunately, her foot has become entangled in the stirrup; she is now at the mercy of the horse’s pounding hooves as her head is struck against the ground over and over.

        As her head is battered against the ground, she is mere moments away from unconsciousness when to her great fortune….. Frank, the Walmart greeter, sees her dilemma and unplugs the horse.

        And you thought all they did was say Hello.

      32. “A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste.”

      33. what are the gun laws in all these places? vermont is one of the best places on the east coast to keep guns, i’m surprised that the author did not mention anything about this.

        upper vermont/new hampshire are not that close/accessible to boston or coastal megacities. they are both far & quite mountainous to boot.

        author did not mention somalians in places like lewiston maine.

        “Maine is destined to always be a down economy with few jobs.”

        economic stagnation is no fun if one needs to earn a cash income, but just how badly does one need to live in a “booming economy” if planning for self sufficiency in a situation involving TEOTWAKI? in a chaos situation, i think living in a backwater would be rather desirable.

        what makes a location attractive or not depends largely on what the bugger-outter is trying to accomplish. some people want complete self-sufficiency. others want to keep 80% of their current lifestyle, albeit in less populated areas where there is simply ample fuel for wood stoves and room to plant a garden.

      34. Every time I’m stuck in gridlock in my state (Massachusetts), all I can think is, in an emergency, there would be no escape. Not by car.

      35. I have run this through my head several times, and if I was in a heavily populated area I would form a group, buy a old building for a retreat in the city. If you can’t get out, then stay till you can. At least your group could help in many areas till the time was right…

      36. All your opinions are nice and dandy but all you can think about is the Atlantic Provinces. Canada has a main land of BC, Alberta ,Saskatchean, Manitoba, Ontario, and Quebec. and The North West Territories, and the North of Quebec and Ontario. I would like to read what M. Skousen has to say about relocation in Canada. This would be interesting indeed.

      37. Fine way of explaining, and pleasant article to take information on the topic of my presentation focus, which i am going to present in university.

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