The question of secession on a ballot it is a one. Secession might make a powerful statement to voice defiance government tyranny, but it could also set off sparks.
Now, it appears that the biggest and most independent-minded state in the union might test that question. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.
Regardless, the possibility shows the pulse of the nation:
Texans May Have Secession Question on Republican Primary Ballot
by Joshua Krause at the Daily Sheeple
Aside from voting for whatever politician happens to be the flavor of the month, the Republican voters of Texas may have an additional question to answer for when Super Tuesday arrives next year. If the Texas Nationalist Movement has its way, then the Republican primary ballot may have to ask voters to decide whether or not they think “the state of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation” and secede from the United States
Much to the chagrin of the Republican party, the Texas independence group is currently gathering signatures for a petition that would place their non-binding question on the ballot. According to the Texas Secretary of State, they will need at least 66,894 signatures, though the organization is shooting for 75,000.
Historically, the Republican Party would have the final say on what goes on their ballot, and they’ve tried to distance themselves from the Texas Nationalist Movement in the past. If the petition succeeds, it would be the first time that an outside group has their referendum placed on the Republican ballot. The group’s president hopes that the vote will get state legislators to take the issue seriously. “Texas and Washington, D.C. are on very different paths, and the people of Texas obviously recognize that…The Texas Nationalist Movement message has been one not of reaction to grievance but one of a future we can build as an independent nation.”
Secession, a formal declaration of independence, is by tradition the right of every Texan and American, and the Fed has doubtlessly crossed the line too many times to count. Fed up Americans are looking for ways to voice their anger, and Texans have a notoriously short fuse, a history of independence and tendencies to secede. But the powers that be may have also fueled a trap on sovereignty. What is shirked at the federal level may be accepted at the international level.
The bankers and social engineers are practiced at ruling by divide and conquer to avoid personally confronting pitchforks and angry townspeople. There is a plan underway, which has already been exposed, known as the North American Union. Sponsored by Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs and organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations, the agenda is creating a globalized world that will use immigration to upend politics, shift demographics, supply corporate labor and fracture society.
Like NAFTA before it, the plan will destroy jobs and displace millions of workers, creating new waves of migration across the border. Further integration will restructure shipping, energy and transportation, all while building a scapegoat for the engineered economic collapse that will rile up the masses.
Like a doctor setting a fracture, the underwriters of the North American plan to actually break up regions of America to ‘enhance’ the management and control of society at many levels. According to author Jerome Corsi:
Understanding the plan to merge the U.S., Mexico and Canada, says Corsi, is “the only context in which the current immigration travesty makes sense – and it must be stopped.” This aim to create a North American Union between the United States, Mexico and Canada is the real reason behind “comprehensive immigration reform.”
“A North American Union would not just be the end of America as we know it,” claims Corsi, “but the beginning of an EU-like nightmare – a bureaucratic coup d’etat foisted upon millions of Americans without their knowledge or consent.”
Thus, the big banks and power brokers are interested in Texas secession, or at least could exploit it easily:
How might secession transition from a fringe idea to a country-ender? In my conversations with economists, political scientists, and futurists, three broad themes came up that I found the most persuasive: economic collapse, the rise of localism, and North American reshuffling.
Let’s say there’s an American revolution—who leaves first? Once the feds “start imposing just huge taxes,” [Peter] Schiff says, the states that have to pay more in than they’re getting back out will pull their stars off the flag. Schiff lists Texas and California as potential pull-out candidates, whereas “Florida probably wants to stay because of all the Social Security money.” […]
North America’s borders have remained pretty much static for the last century… But this stability shouldn’t imply that our dividing lines make sense. In 1981’s Nine Nations of North America, Joel Garreau argued that the continent’s borders don’t reflect how we live. Garreau’s nine nations map—which highlighted regions where people share common values, culture, and natural resources—wasn’t intended to be predictive of a future breakup [Ed. Note: yet could be spot on].
Take away the artificial borders and we’re all just North Americans… If America ends, so will Canada and Mexico. And if Canada or Mexico goes down the tubes, we won’t be long for this continent either. (Source)
Taken the wrong way by the media, secession and ‘fightin’ talk’ about immigration allow the system to play off the sentiment of the locales and provide friction to open up action. This strategy creates new problems, and give new agency powers to those who could offer to provide solutions. These are new realms for experts to manage, and corporations to service. Remember that calls to secession have been led by bought out “yee haw” politicians like Rick Perry. The gun toting standoff rhetoric has been largely manufactured by scripted suits funded by lobbyists.
Nonetheless, a breaking point is bound to come somewhere, at sometime. As one commenter put it:
“Most Texans do not want to break away from the United States. Most Texans consider themselves Americans. But if ever being American means sacrificing our liberties, we will just prefer to be Texans.”
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Texans May Have Secession Question on Republican Primary Ballot was written by Joshua Krause originally published at the Daily Sheeple.
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Mac, thanks for posting this right now. I am sure you read my last post just a few mins ago. I am going to lay low for Now, for maybe a few weeks, month or so. My source laughed when i told him was going on here. He said that people always learn the hard way. I am not gone permanently. This post that you did here is why i love you site. You always back up my info. I was told that they have the signatures, and that its a done deal, its going to happen, period. The things that the federal govenment are instigating cannot continue and will bring down Texas. Texas has to leave the Union. The folks from the past who ran this state has placed these safe Guards for this very reason.
I aint gone yet, just waiting for the shtf Texas GOLD EVENT TO COMMENSE.
HCKS – I hope you are right about Texas wanting to eventually secede from the Union.
If they do, other States will find themselves wanting to follow suite. About three years ago, my State [michigan] had a Petition on our Gov.Website to Secede from the Federal Gov.
We had more than plenty of signatures for this Petition to move forward, but like many before it, it was neglected and never investigated again. As if it never took place or existed.
Granted, it was a move that was never gonna happen because our State owes the Federal Government Millions of monies that are not even remotely payable.
Anyhoo, the point I’m making is. Though I live among a thriving class of useless liberal idiots. They had enough sense to want to break away from the Federal Power and Regulations. Besides the obvious corrupt politicians in my State, they would never secede from the Fed, it’s already too far embedded & intertwined with Federal Power. The Power Structure that is set forth in front of us is not going to change by voting.
Never underestimate the Power and Influence of the Federal Government, even those Politicians residing in the State of Texas! Your State, like the rest of them are completely integrated with Federal Power, Rules, & Regulations.
The way I see it is: Any State that wants to remove itself from the Union will not be done by voting, it will be in bloodshed. If that is the case, then let it commence when the time has arrived to do so.
Michigan has put up that petition three different times and each time had enough signatures.
But the state house never took it up , WHY? because of pressure from senators and fed house reps.
It aint about fed debt , its about politics.
The state reps wanna be fed reps etc , so play ball , and i am sure that bringing fed money into their own disticts somehow lines their pockets .
Texas has a different system of government.
No petitions can be voted into law. Only the Texas legislature can pass laws.
The petition only puts the question onto the Republican primary ballot.
Those questions then form the basis for the Republican Party Platform.
I see a lot of times questions pertaining to abortion, taxes, gun control, etc.
So this petition is really meaningless, but it would take a good survey of voters views of America.
This is all backwards, why not vote to kick DC out of the US?
Yah good luck with that Texas. Although a great idea, it is no matter, Our constitutional republic is far past dead. Aint nothin left but the cryin’ folks, and you and I both know it. We are all F…..U……K…..T….
Texas = Northern mexico
Sorry but it’s true.
Actually Texas is third.
Nevada is 1st with illegal Mexicans, California is 2nd and Texas is 3rd.
You don’t have a clue. Texas is NOT Northern Mexico.
United under God we are invincible. 🙂
Richard is correct. Its over and has been for quite some time. The UN NWO has been in charge ever since Roosevelt formed the League of nations. The USA should severe all ties with other countries. Then take everything from the artic circle to the istimus of panama. And then close the borders. let Hawaii go to whoever wants it. and blast cuba from the ocean. Then we could have a chance. and that’s never gonna happen. we are fucked.
Richard Head; actually Texas is often referred to as Baja Oklahoma.
This is never going to happen. The minute Texas leaves for greened pastures the interstates get blocked, all social security checks get stopped, all military based get shut down, student loans you name it the feds have their finger in it. So go ahead and do a real dumb action. Not saying I don’t agree with the sentiment just that the cost had better be considered.
Well, since our economy would be the 12th largest in the world should we finally obtain an amicable divorce, doing all of those things would be unwise for the federal government. Aside from selling electricity to California and other states, we produce roughly 30% of the fuel supplies used in the US, well over 40% of refined products and other forms of energy pass through our pipelines to the North,20% of the y’alls beef,29% of the cotton,and much of our agricultural production finds Texas in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd slots among the states. The simple fact is, we’d be fine if the federal government decided to shut down the interstates and all that, but there would be a whole lot of folks walking with empty bellies not long afterwards.
God Bless Texas,
what’s all this me me me stuff with texas?
sure you guys are waaaay bigger than us.
so please don’t forget your cousins north of the red in your considerations?
you can’t have mont belvieu without cushing.
Agreed Hammerhead – Fed Debt, Fed monies lining Politicians go hand in hand. Bottom line is – Federal Influence
….and it’s people like you and I who have to put up with it … or do we? I suppose a future date will determine that among this State / country.
FTW-I dont know about other states ,but Michigan is chock full of good folks ready to lead the charge.
Been that way for years , Maybe more than even Texas.
Hammerhead – I am very much aware of the good folk here in Michigan. Though as I recall, you reside in the Northern lower peninsula … correct me if I am wrong. I reside 12 miles from the Capital … also known as the Greater Lansing Area.
My area, most notably are liberal-minded dolts.
Obviously there is a higher concentration of a population in this region compared to yours … You most likely reside closer to the Cadillac region, anyways .. the northern lower peninsula has a different feeling compared to your area.
People in your general vicinity are more notable as being down to earth kinda people. My area …. choke full of self-conceited assholes … still believing in that “hope & change” drivel. Though I’m sure there are some good hearted people in this mix that do mean well. They are completely clueless to what is going on in the world. If it does not directly affect them, they could care less what goes on around them.
These Sheep surround me, they clearly outnumber people like you and I.
That is funny, i knew you were a damned yankee and also one of the chock full ones. Thanks for clarifying to the rest of shtf’rs.
PS, no offense to Yankees in general. I have a good friend that originally came from Michigan. Also a good friend that lives in Dayton, OH., and a hunting buddy, from all places, Boston,Mass.
Once heard of a Senator from Mass,
that drove off in his car with some ass,
He….. aw hell, Ya’ll know the rest.
Dude …. what the fuck is your problem???
So, you don’t like me because I call you a “fake” Christian.
You don’t like me, because I have been known to belittle and mock your God and Jesus.
Is there anything else that I may of forgotten to add to your “do not” like list?
Get over it and move on. All you are doing is trolling my post(s), and waiting for me to go on the attack with you.
Remember – Jesus is watching and observing your behavior – I’m sure Jesus at this moment is not happy with you, because you are defying Jesus with your current actions.
Stick your “yankee” shit up your ass.
Sorry dude , you blew it.
If your gonna pull that shit , your credability is shot.
Theres alot more a stake here that the old south .
Well ,Osceola co has lottsa room , move ,
Sorry Texas but it ain’t gonna happen. Once upon a time 13 States tried this, anyone remember how that worked out for us. Hell we can’t even fly the flag! Trekker Out.
When the federal government goes too far, like using UN troops to confiscate guns, there may be more than 13 states wanting to secede.
Hey, where are all the folks who said that Jade Helm 15 was going to be the beginning of a takeover, especially in Texas? How many people were actually rounded up? The count is ZERO=O. So much for that Texas big mouth Alex Jones with yet another failed prediction. He’s already backpedaling and putting some spin on it.
I agree wholeheartedly. The feds have worn out their welcome. The DC bureaucrats are so corrupt that there is no way to fix it. Time to leave!
hcks, I read your post on the last article. You’re leaving, at least temporarily, because you can’t hide all the bullshit you’ve been puking up here and are unable to make any more excuses about why your secret predictions and secret friends can never produce any of the doom and gloom you’re always promising. You’re leaving because you refuse to answer my question about your buddy usasecuritygaurd’s predictions and yours, because you can’t answer it without admitting that either you or him or more likely both are full of shit. It’s equally likely you’re both the same person, along with the new recent ” friends” who’ve never shown up here before until the last few articles to assure us all that they “know” you and will ” confirm” everything you say is true, Of course they will, they’re products of your mind, it’s not likely that ” they” would turn on you, but in your case, it could be a possibility. You’ll be back after a while when you think nobody’s watching for a bullshit alert because NONE of your predictions will ever come to pass. The fact is your a kid in his mommies basement, and you need to go into hiding for awhile because people have caught on to you.
thank you for realising and speaking out about this guys mental illness. i do not think he is well.
FOT you are most certainly a scum fed traitor. Put your gun in your mouth now or wait until s patriot does it for you. Either way- die.
I have listened into the meetings and conversations HCKS has mentioned. This is real, period. I could care less how much flaming goes on about the info HCKS posted or accusations of him being on drugs (totally laughable), fraud, grammar, making stuff up etc. Like what was previously said, going to lay low for a bit, let these series of events commence, then decide later about posting.
you COULD NOT care less is what you meant
Well, Well, one of hcks latest ” friends” to show up out of the woodwork for the first time ever. OF COURSE it’s all ” real”, you’re just going to ” lay low for awhile” to let events unfold. OF COURSE you don’t care about how much flak hcks has been getting, that’s why you re bringing it up and mentioning it right? Yeah, that’s why, because you don’t care. You’ve already blown your cover when you posted with perfect grammar in previous comments, nice try hcksy, oops, or should I say ” Hammer”.
Where’s Joegiveusablow and Feast of dead flowers? They we both late for the dhs cybercrime consortium. Are they on here making stupid comments? Thought so. Dumbasses they are and not very smart agents. Queer with each of I hear. The sic fuks. As traitors they know their time is short to breathe.
Yeah, I’m shaking in my fucking boots there tough guy. Another internet Rambo whose going to kill somebody. Bring it on asshole, we’ll see whose time is shorter. If you want me to die so bad, come and do it yourself or shut your fucking mouth, unless that’s your favorite organ you like to pleasure hcks with, of course.
Tell me where you are
C’mon up to Las Vegas and you can meet me when you get here, let me know when you’re coming and we’ll make the arrangements.
i hope they can i just hope i get there before they do it i would be proud to be a texas transplant…i am with tx becoming the lone star republic….
HAHAHA,you guys believe you can leave the USA,oboozo says you’ll all die first,HE has set in motion already,thousands of muslims,mexicans,chinese,and a dozen others ON YOUR SOUTHERN BORDER,ready to cross and attack you,AND THE GOOD LORD says they will,the worse bloodbath in american history,IF ANY OF YOU,live in texas,you better start carring the best BATTLE RIFLE you can get,EVERYWHERE YOU GO,or maybe you’d rather find out the LORD warned you and your head was to far up your ass to listen………
I’ve never met a bigger bunch of blowhards in my life as Texans; all talk and no action. People use threats when they really don’t want to do something, and in fact, are terrified of actually being called out on it. An intelligent person never reveals what he or she is going to do, especially to a prospective advisory. When someone does this, it’s the mark of either gross stupidity, but more likely, it’s a sign that they’re hoping the other side will make some sort of counter-offer. But any good negotiator knows this as “The Last Desperate Attempt” at getting something without having to actually fight for it. In reality, this latest “attempt” is just a small group having a “temper-tantrum”, nothing more. Today’s Texans are not their ancestors, today they’re fat and happy, they’ll never pick a fight because they don’t have the hunger and they don’t have what it takes to actually do it. Just more hot air coming from Texas.
I live in Texas. It would be fine with me if it seceded from the fallen USA, but..it won’t happen, because there are too many foreigners, illegals and liberals in the state now.
I agree. Austin has become a liberals Heaven, from all i have heard and seen. Dallas/Ft.Worth about as bad.
I don’t think Texas will ever succeed to secede. Besides, with all the plans for making I-35 a super Freeway, they will benefit from the next planned phase of the NWO, known as NA Union.
All these big Corporations are not moving there without planned freight lanes through Texas to the Mid America International Port.
Nabisco just announced another 600 jobs going SOTB.
Seven Asian and European auto makers have opened new Mexican assembly plants, or disclosed plans for one, in little more than a year. Other car companies have financed significant expansions in Mexico, among them Nissan Motor Co., General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV.
Last week, VW said it would spend $1 billion expanding a Mexican plant to build a small SUV for the U.S. and some foreign markets. All told, auto makers and parts suppliers have earmarked more than $20 billion of new investments, Mexican officials say.
Houston is one huge (broken down) sanctuary city with illegals and foreigners everywhere you look.
so is new orleans. metro areas being taking over by drug gangs now. 4 yrs ago my neighbor hood was a great place to live, now every other house is section eighters. i get code enforcement fines everymonth and the free renters nasty houses dont get fined. must be the rebel flag flying in front yard. going to file discrimination charges against city for fines on weathered window trim on one window.free rent house next to me has 3ft grass and no fines.
There isn’t any way the government of any state will secede.
Now the people, that’s another matter.
Something about a rifle behind every blade of grass.
I’m from Texas , north of Dallas but what surprises me the most is people actually talking about the possibility of secession! 5-10 yrs ago never heard about it but it is gaining ground quickly. My family came over on mayflower and are also original 300 in Texas. I would like to have the option to secede if the goberment really tried to take over. Most Texans I do believe would opt out . Yes we are a more constitution loving breed down here. Most libs are in Austin and Houston but they have no control of our gov. I do think if politicians in Texas legislature so how many people where interested in secession, it would open there eyes!
Why would any one want to leave a Marxist/ Socialist utopia where there is no injustice, no racism, no inequality between those governed and those who govern. (Sounds kinda like Vietnam Nam???) anyway I digress:
Texas is my home, whether we leave the USSof A or not doesn’t matter one way to me or not. At the farm we livel free and will never surrender and if they come for us we will personally secede and declare war…
There is no “wanting” to leave. Texas will be forced to leave when the system collapses. Just like the Soviet Union split up when they collapsed.
Luck-fully we have some smart people in Texas. The legislature just enacted the Texas Gold Depository, the only state level gold depository in the entire country. Texas will repatriate it’s 160 million dollars in gold back from the New York FED.
That is step one.
Step two will be to have a contingency plan in place to issue it’s own currency, backed by the gold in the State depository.
So when America goes tits up, Texas can flip the light switch and never miss a beat.
I too am a Texan and am very happy we are setting up our own gold depository. Problem is getting our gold back from the NY Fed depository, THAT GOLD JUST PLAIN ISN’T THERE ANYMORE. We as Texans need to be paid in GOLD for our oil by the rest of the country that is using OUR resources. This is the best way to fill our gold depository because like I said, our gold being held by the Fed just isn’t there. If they don’t pay in gold, then like we used to say, let them freeze in the dark.
The other interesting thing that Texas has done is the power grid.
There are three power grids in the United States. West coast, East Cost and Texas.
Texas’ is by itself as a way to keep the FEDs out. They don’t control the power grid because it does not go over state lines.
And yes, I agree the Gold is already gone. Germany asked for theirs back and they were told they could only have 6% back and they had to wait until 2020 to get the rest because it could not be transported safely.
We can put a man on the moon, but we can’t ship gold back to Germany?
The gold is gone.
John s I know if you’re in Texas they need to replace you with someone smart because reading your comments makes me sure you are a low-grade moron.
Hey John have you seen any of that gold yet. The answer would be NO and you won’t cause there ain’t any. Just ask germany
It’s a wonderful plan, john, but I very much doubt Texas will get their gold back. It is also very dangerous to threaten to compete with the federal reserve. Look what happened to Iraq and Libya, Kennedy and Lincoln.
***REQUIRED VIEWING FOR ALL CONSTITUTIONALISTS***
mmmmmm That guy says that he only uses the internet to go to DrudgeReport, Yahoo headlines, and Craigslist. Starting to think this guys is gay and visiting the escort pages on craigslist…..And he wears a bow tie??
It is really hard to take this guy serious. Notice that his speech is in a bedroom and he is standing in front of an open closet door that is full of bedding.
Who the hell is he giving this presentation to?
I clicked on acid’s link and was surprised to see this guy. His name is Bill Warner and he’s actually quite smart. I have actually seen him personally, he came to my town and did a presentation about the dangers of islam. There were probably 100 or more people there. Unfortunately almost all were between the ages of 50 to 80, which is something I’ve discussed before. The younger generations just don’t give a sh*t about paying attention to anything anymore. Anyways my point is you should take him seriously, I didn’t watch the whole vid because of time, but it seems as though he is probably discussing the same things when I saw him in person. But he travels country, If I remember correctly he has a few published books and such, he does radio interviews, etc. etc. If more people would wake the hell up, the guy should be packing stadiums. But like I said may be worth the time to give it a look, I plan to at least skim through later and see if its new info or not.
I’ve actually seen this guy in person, he came to my town and did a presentation. Smart guy, worth the watch, Glad you put it up. For those that don’t know what it is, it’s a man named Dr Bill Warner, and he discusses the dangers of islam, and more than that how islam has manage to basically spread and conquer most of the world and how fast it is spreading.
Like acid said***Required Viewing***
Careful what you wish for. If a state left the union all the guarntees and rights afforded by the counstition & bill of rights could disappear. Take the gun laws that the supreme court has struck down. That remedy would be unavailable. It might be trading the evil you now have for a even worse evil. The new government might be a dictator or a worse oppressor than what we already have? What Im saying is that the federal protections wouldn’t be available. Its something to consider.
What is so hard about this?
You can take the Bill of Rights and the TEN Commandments and start all over.
The hard part is that so many people fundamentally misunderstand the Bill of Rights and the guiding principles of liberty. That is why we are where we are now. We have interpreted the Bill of Rights down to……pay the Bill and you can have the Right.
Old Guy makes a good point –
“The new government might be a dictator or a worse oppressor than what we already have?”
If the people of Texas were in favor of seceding from the Union. Then they should all have the opportunity to read their Constitution and the Laws of “said” Governed Land.
Situation such as this would need a “new” Constitution to be drawn up, and it should be in the favor of the People. Not what we have now!
“Situation such as this would need a “new” Constitution to be drawn up, and it should be in the favor of the People. ”
And should be in simple to read and interpret plain English not lawyer speak jibberish
I agree. Plus you are always better off with a known evil than the unknown one. Either way, I hope things work out well for them.
Doesn’t Texas have a Constitution Old Guy>
All States have their own Constitution.
The problem over the years is now that State Constitutions gets trumped by the Federal Constitution.
Each State is suppose to have it’s own individuality.
There is no individuality anymore, though Texas does have a different ‘clause to theirs when they finally joined the Union.
The Texas constitution is actually worded a little stronger then the U.S. constitution, IMO it would be harder to take down Texas as a sovereign nation then it was to take down the USA.
Texas all ready has its own constitution in place ! Pretty much mirrors the U.S. Constitution
I thought this secession issue was settled around 1861-1865. I’m not taking sides – just saying.
Thanks Mac for another excellent article.
As much as the idea of succession sounds appealing, one must look at the entire picture and ask a few questions.
1. What % of state $$$ come from the feds? What impact would loss of funding have? How would these funds be made up?
2. How is the Texas grid tied into the rest of the country’s? How will it become stand alone?
3. Consumer products, How can products come in and out? What impact would this have on people, businesses, etc?
4. What type of tax structure would be set up?
5. Current state funds, Is there enough current state funds to (gold/silver) to cover cost of succession?
These are just a few of the easy questions of the thousands that need to be asked and answered in great detail. As disgusted as I am with what our beautiful country is becoming, I am a realist. Unless they intend to print fiat garbage currency and tax people to death, it is not obtainable without years of careful and meticulous planning. I do not mean to sound negative… I want to provoke in depth thinking.
Bullitt Ky Lady
Bullitt Ky Lady,
Regarding your point #1, don’t just ask how much money Texas gets from the federal government, ask how much money Texas sends to the federal government. I’ll bet they pay more than they get, despite the heavy defense department spending in Texas.
I say this because I’ve been to the DC metro area. I’ve seen how 2 milion people live in style and arrogance at the expense of the rest of the country. And don’t even get me started on Wall Street!
I’ve always felt the argument about how much money a state gets from or pays to the federal government is a non-issue. The problems leading to serious discussion about secession are not about how much money could be involved, the problems are much deeper than that.
Texas pays the Fed more than we receive back from them. The majority of the Texas power grid is a stand alone grid with a small exception of east Texas which gets some of its power from Louisiana. Well over 90% of the Texas grid is independent and not interconnected to the rest of the nation. Texas has large international ports in Houston (ranked #2 in the U.S.), Beaumont (ranked #5 in the U.S.), and Corpus Christi(ranked #8 in the U.S.) as well as several oil, gas, and chemical terminals in smaller ports. We also have 3 major international airports, 2 in Houston and one in Dallas/Fort Worth so international trade is already ongoing and actually supplies other parts of the country. Taxing, like everywhere else an ongoing debate but an end user consumption tax (sales tax) is gaining favor. Most here think its the fairest, the more you consume, the more you pay. The percentages would be the same for all. Currently Texas has a budget in the black and several Billion in a rainy day fund. Most of the rainy day fund comes from oil and gas industry so when prices are low, this fund doesn’t grow as fast. The rainy day fund is pretty well off limits unless a large majority of the state legislature agrees to spend it. Even then, there are only specific things this rainy day fund can be spent on.
Don’t get me wrong, Texas does have its problems but we are probably more prepared to go it alone than any other state.
I would agree with every thing you said Texas Prepper ! We are also the 12th largest economy in the world !
I pray that it doesn’t come to Texas leaving.
Saying that. I understand why they would, and I say GO FOR IT!!!!
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!!!
Don’t be gone too long. Only time will tell if what you have learned was the truth or not. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and say it is until it is proven wrong.
Stay safe my friend and what your 6. If it gets that bad I just might need a place to stay. Remember I have been at this prepping thing for 30 years and I have a lot of great stuff to bring with me.
AIM SMALL, MISS SMALL
Dale, why don’t you just get on your knees and give him a blow job while you’re at it?
Anonymous troll, why don’t you just go FOAD [fuck off and die]?
I had mentioned this article being over at the Sheeple.
Nobody picked up on it.
I don’t like what they said about Florida staying in because of social security. Same would happen to Texas. Maybe the Yankees should move. If Texas can do it. So Can Florida. I will tell you all that I am tired of the shit that goes on in D.C. If you did not have the Senior Citizen Block Vote, Florida would mean didly squat in the elections. With the Electorial vote don’t mean shit anyway.
You have to say that Texas has done what other states would like to do. One get their Gold back. Second put it on the ballot to secede from the union.
To have the government name that state as hostile in an military exercise shows they do not like defiance.
Now I am gonna tell you all again that I do have a big Case of the ASS with this administration. As they have called many good people Terrorist, Unpatriotic, Bible and Gun Nuts and the biggest is Cowards. I have not seen nor have I read any thing that resembles an apology to the good people of this Nation. I don’t want any part of HIS, Hope and Change.
So If Texas wants to go, I hope it take more states with them because if they want a North American Union, against our will or blessing, we might as well make them fight for it.
OH , dont start with the yankee shit again , haha.
Its apple season up here and all i see are florida plates.
Ya’ll got any non hispanics in Florida ?
Just sayin , please keep them at home .
Getting spooled up like “Taz”, the Tasmanian Devil.
Very few non Hispanics. Trade you a dozen Haitians for Two Russians from Long Island.
I mentioned this yesterday. Here are some links. This is nothing that hasn’t happened many times before.
Even if the Texas Nationalist Movement gets enough signatures, such a vote would be little more than symbolic. Academics agree that Texas cannot secede from the United States, and point to a post-Civil War Supreme Court ruling, Texas v. White, as evidence.
Whitehead said there is zero relationship between the GOP and the secessionists, and added that his response to such a ballot proposal would be the same if it were “a resolution giving everybody a unicorn or a resolution for secession.”
The vote on whether Texas “should reassert its status as an independent nation”, in the words of the petition, would be non-binding and the state Republican party has already distanced itself from the group.
Verify things before believing them…. Not a done deal, maybe a remote possibility but very remote.
Whatever happens in Texas, so goes the country, politically speaking.
Look what happened in Colorado…The early 90’s invasion on Kalifornians and their bullshit liberal agenda.
Colorado is gone….but I hold hope that Texas secedes and sends the message that so desperately needs to be sent.
Come to think of it. How many other states have any gold or silver bullion reserves in state vaults?
It’s my understanding when Texas did join the Union, they did so with the provision they could return to the Republic of Texas at any future date….the ONLY State to ever do so.
As for ‘losing rights’, there is a State Constitution that would remain in effect whether Texas is part of the US, or not.
Personally, I’d take my chances with the State of Texas and it’s elected officials over some bunch of black robed guys in Washington.
This last paragraph says it best and is probably the feelings of 99% of Texans.
“Most Texans do not want to break away from the United States. Most Texans consider themselves Americans. But if ever being American means sacrificing our liberties, we will just prefer to be Texans.”
I don’t believe the Fed will release any gold to Texas. The north american union is not far off, the illegal infiltration won’t be stopped no matter what Trump says. Much lower wages are the goal as evidenced already, for everyone except workers building weapons of mass destruction and the police state protection of the absolute rulers. The fan that the shit is going to hit is set to hyper speed. All freedom is near finished. Total tyranny is closer than many think. The majority of people are completely dumbed down and won’t know what hit them. TV has made people beyond passive.
Been a while since a good joke, and I am not dissing anyone, so here it goes… May all be well…
An old prospector shuffled into the town of El Indio, Texas leading a tired old mule. The old man headed straight for the only saloon in town, to clear his parched throat.
He walked up to the saloon and tied his old mule to the hitch rail.
As he stood there, brushing some of the dust from his face and clothes, a young gunslinger stepped out of the saloon with a gun in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other.
The young gunslinger looked at the old man and laughed, saying, “Hey old man, can you dance?”
The old man looked up at the gunslinger and said, “No son, I don’t dance… never really wanted to.”
A crowd had gathered as the gunslinger grinned and said, “Well, you old fool, you’re gonna dance now!” and started shooting at the old man’s feet.
The old prospector, not wanting to get a toe blown off, started hopping around like a flea on a hot skillet.
Everybody standing around was laughing.
When his last bullet had been fired, the young gunslinger, still laughing, holstered his gun and turned around to go back into the saloon.
The old man turned to his pack mule, pulled out a double-barreled 12 gauge shotgun and cocked both hammers.
The loud clicks carried clearly through the desert air. The crowd stopped laughing immediately.
The young gunslinger heard the sounds too, and he turned around very slowly.
The silence was deafening. The crowd watched as the young gunman stared at the old timer and the large gaping holes of those twin 12 gauge barrels.
The barrels of the shotgun never wavered in the old man’s hands, as he quietly said;
“Son, have you ever kissed a mule’s ass?”
The gunslinger swallowed hard and said, “No sir… but…but I’ve always wanted to.”
There are a few lessons for all of us here:
*Don’t be arrogant.
*Don’t waste ammunition.
*Whiskey makes you think you’re smarter than you are.
*Always make sure you know who is in control.
*And finally, don’t screw around with old folks; they didn’t get old by being stupid.
Anyone watching the debates???
No, washing my car. More productive.
Tn, is it not disheartning to know that we have NO ONE that can run this country? Car washing at night???
Not to come off sounding harsh ….. but …
Whats the point of watching the Debates?
Watching another round of Politicians telling the American people what they want to hear. Giving them more “hope & promises” that will never come into fruition.
Feeding the people the illusion that “we the People” have a choice and a voice in our Governments institutions is not for me. I will not participate, nor involve myself in a bogus fraudulent activity.
I’ve lived long enough to have heard and seen everything I need to know from the power structure that resides in the District of Columbia.
These talking heads are nothing but soon to be future dead people who wear suits and ties when the SHTF!
FTW, I only watch to hear the comments by all on stage.
Too many variables out there for a true truth answer…
And there is not much on the tube anyhow…
A guy is driving around the back woods of Texas and he sees a sign in front of a broken down shanty-style house:
Talking Dog for Sale
He rings the bell and the owner appears and tells him the dog is in the backyard.
The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador retriever sitting there.
“You talk?” he asks.
“Yep,” the Lab replies.
After the guy recovers from the shock of hearing a dog talk, he says “So, what’s your story?”
The Lab looks up and says, “Well, I discovered that I could talk when I was pretty young. I wanted to help the government, so I told the CIA and they had me sworn into the toughest branch of the armed services … The United States Marine Corps… You know one of their nicknames is “The Devil Dogs.”
In no time at all they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders; because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping.
I was one of their most valuable spies for eight years running, but the jetting around really tired me out and I knew I wasn’t getting any younger.
So, I decided to settle down. I retired from the Corps (8 dog years is 56 Corps years) and signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security, wandering near suspicious characters and listening in.”
“I uncovered some incredible dealings and was awarded a batch of medals.. I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I’m just retired.”
The guy is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.
“Ten dollars,” the guy says.
“Ten dollars? This dog is amazing! Why on earth are you selling him so cheap?”
“Because he’s a liar! He never did any of that crap. He was in the Navy!”
Please do not take me wrong, I am not dissing Texans, Navy, Marines, etc.
It was just a joke….
May all be well, and thank Mac for this place…
Thanks man! Good Joke!!
The only thing my dog tells me is that he has to go outside to Pee & Poop!!!
Just once I wish he would ask me if I wanted a Coke!
Amen Sgt, how about some teriaki pheasant???
I have always made sure I had television for the election years, but this year I am not going to bother. There is no political solution for a spiritual problem. Tptb will still run the country.
Flipping back and forth between it and South Park……..South Park commercials are actually proving better!!
What’s that line from Simon and Garfunkel?
“goin’ to the candidate’s debate?”
Either way you lose (as in we lose)
Plus, we here in PR can’t vote anyway.
It’s just as well, the free shit army here would vote for more free shit.
Golly, I’d love to watch the debates, but I already promised Wink Martindale that I’d help him rotate the tires on his RV tonight.
Flashback to the 60’s…
Wink Martindale may be the most famous game show host of all time.
He thinks his notable name has something to do with it, though he credits somebody else for coming up with the moniker.
“When I was a kid in Jackson, Tennessee, one of my playmates, Jimmy McCord, couldn’t say ‘Winston,’ which is my given name, and he had a speech impediment and it came out sounding like ‘Winky,'” Martindale told ABC News. “So Winston turned into Winky, and then I got into the business and Wink [it was]! It served me well and I just kept Wink all these years.”
The candidate who raises the most money wins 95% of the time.
Go lick the Donald’s balls you stupid fucking senex.
Trumplestiltskin supported illegal immigration in 2012. Actually, Trump flop flopped on all his positions.
Fuck you, old people.
“Fuck you, old people”. You wouldn’t like it. Most old people would just lay there.
Back atcha Acid! How are going to explain to your boyfriend some old fart kicked your ass?
No Acid – the person who can cater and suck Israel’s ass the best is the winner.
Trump is a distraction, and yes. He is no different than our “elected” officials are – Known habitual liars.
In today’s world, how can anyone believe a word these people say? … and this includes Trump as well.
Acid, you’re a real piece of work. On occasion you make some sensible posts that even I can agree with but you just had to start bashing us again. I agree about trump being bogus but why are you telling us to get f#$%ed? do I have to tell you to get f#$%ed again? OK, go f#$% yourself! There, feel better? Just like old times, ain’t it?
While texas has a coast, plenty of natural resources, and enormous industrial capacity, there are sill numerous federally subsidized program – defense, space, and medical. It would greatly impact the big towns if that money dried up.
I would like to see the Texas population vote on secession just to find out where they actually stand.
Eppe, thanks for the joke, its been a while since I’ve had something to laugh about. T Rex
TRex, funny how just telling a joke, even if cut and paste, can put a smile on one’s face?
The debates seem to be a bummer, I was expecting more…
I know, I’m just a dreamer…
If anybody is naive enough that a move of this magnitude is anything but a government plot to strip away whatever rights we the people of the UNITED STATES still retain, there’s a bridge for sale just for you. Don’t do it TEXAS! We need you. The Feds would love to get out of giving back the money that baby boomers paid into social security. How else are they going to be able to redirect those funds away from Americans and get away with it. Don’t be stupid. Nothing that changes, changes for the benefit of the common man. It’s always a scam. It’s a lie. Then they plan to laugh at how easily you Texas Red Necks fell for their bating you with how tough you are.
Do you really think you are going to get the money you’ve paid into SS. Unless you’re getting it now or in the very near future, you’ll never see that money. Next they will come after your 401k or other private retirement account, then your bank account. This country is broke. It has spent well beyond its ability to pay it’s debts. When the bill comes due, the government WILL rob you and me. That bill is coming due soon.
Explain how that SS payout denial would work, seeing as how you can move to Manila or Paris if you want and collect your Social Security checks. You don’t even have to be a citizen to get paid, just be eligible through working the required number of years.
I don’t think the feds would be able to get away with that. A few million Americans already live abroad and collect their checks on the first of each month.
I only wish my country would split
constant power struggle between east and west out here we have all the oil water lumber farm land cattle yet the majority of our population and power resides east. Ottawa says gimme and by law we have to hand it over at the price they dictate I pay 1.20 per liter that’s 4.80 a gallon and yet I just 10 minutes up the road were drilling it out ffs down.east .80 a liter that’s 3.20 a gallon. And because were a province of Canada we have no provincial rights as a people.there is a fledgling movement for British Columbia Alberta Saskatchewan and Manitoba to break away dought it’ll go anyplace
point is you folks have a good foot in the door simply by being a state
If any of you have been to Alberta we hear our attitudes. Are more in line with American values as far as doing business gun control (no one carries here ) only lawful place you ca use a pistol is a registered government approved and supervised gun club little over the top really. Take that constitution and take back what’s yours folks. I feel justified in having an opinion here because what happens in America very quickly comes here can’t help it. So plz people take back your constitution your bill of rights and take your home back so that i and the rest of the world can sleep at night
Let them French toads have the eastern part of Canada, and the rest of you guys become part of the Good Old USA.
Can i finely conceal and carry you got a deal Sgt
YES YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
………the purposeful “dumbing down” of the population has, for all intents and purposes, been successful. Most of the population does not possess the intellect to “wake up”. When people 50 years or older today are all gone the beast and its minions will have little to no resistance at all to implementing their total oversight of humanity.
8.3 earthquake in Chili
I wish Be Informed would return. I enjoyed reading his insightful posts on many current topics, especially earthquakes.
Be Informed was on top of it. Here is a site he watched…
Agreed, i miss BI and JOG,
We still gots Eppster though and KYMom and Satori, and cant leave out old Braveheart,
Kula, that’s right, I’m not getting left out, period. I also miss BI and JOG, 2 of the brightest lights in this house, and when they collaborated on something, it was always a treat. Their posts were always some of the best education anyone could receive.
GW Bush comes from Texas and he with Israel was behind 9/11 so i am sorry but i don’t have a good word to say for people from that neck of the woods.
“There is a plan underway, which has already been exposed, known as the North American Union. Sponsored by Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs”
Again we see jewish bankers are the real powers behind the USA, this cancer will kill you all if you don’t stop being brought by these criminals just so you can pay off a loan on a mud hut you call home from money they lent you in the first place.
The jews are selling you your own land and you don’t see it.
Ain’t nobody seceding nowhere in the south, Texas get a grip! The government that owns you will kill you all and bring in more compliant Mexicans, Central and South Americans, Asians and all other 3rd world slaves who work hard for their 2 dollars an hour pay. There is no stopping the chain of events set in place. Those in control have the weaponry to insure their survival, if the people haven’t pushed back yet don’t look for any meaningful resistance to develop. It is not going to happen. These are the best days of the rest of our lives.
Jeb smokes pot and loves Mexicans. More of the same
Went over to Survival Blog and found yesterday’s edition still up. Strange. I’ve never seen that happen in the years I’ve been reading there. I know sometimes they’ve had a server issue or been attacked by hackers but never the prior day’s post left up. Maybe JWR had got some info and is descending into the bunker. Or maybe its nothing at all……….
I don’t know if Texas can secede from the country legally but if they are able Oklahoma will go with them. It would be nice but most Texans want to stay in the union. As for HCkS,while he is entitled to his opinion I find it hard to agree with him because he is all over the map with his words. I’d love for him to be right and have him tell me “I told you so” but I just don’t see it. Events will lead us one way or the other.
Texas can leave the Union if it want to. When it became a State one of the provisions was that it could leave any time it wanted to. Oklahoma on the other hand doesn’t. As far as I know.
You giving HCKS the benefit of a doubt was all any of us can do. Only time will tell if he was told the right stuff.
HCKS If you are still reading this site. Jim in Va. is a good guy and not a ass clown. You can trust me on this.
Could Oklahoma secede to Texas?
CIVIL WAR ANYONE ???????????
The way I am looking at it. Nothing is going to be done to change anything so why do we even debate these issues. The Nation is screwed. We know it is screwed and there is not enough of us to do what needs to be done.
The more I read here, the more it confirms that point.
We will all end up as pocket resistance to the cabal. I do not see any unification that will cumulate into any force that will make a difference to defeat TPTB.
Look at the diversity in the comments at this site.
The best we can hope for is what “you” are able to accomplish in skills and gear before it all goes down.
And screw the rest.
Good article in survivalblog.com about working with your community when shtf. Makes the most sense to me to try to survive as a community in a rural town where I live.
Slingshot: I fully expect “Nothing is going to be done”. I have no faith or expectation that an institution or national leaders will make any positive difference in mine or my family’s life. We are being desensitized and distracted, while being lead to the killing fields or work camps. All objectors will be dispensed with.
……..duly process and consequently replace Congress. It’ll be far less messy.
I’m afraid these “career politicians” such as Congress and the like will not leave willfully.
This “duly process” you speak of does not exist.
We are governed by known liars and psychopaths.
We are governed by those who feel they are above the laws of this land, and habitually neglect to follow the Constitution.
The “duly elected process” is a farce.
Like most things today, it is a rigged game against the American people.
Candidates are “selected, not elected”.
There is not enough of us, and there are just way too many Sheep to do what needs to be done in this country.
For things to change for the betterment in Governance.
Yes …. things will have to get messy, there is no other alternative.
Thinking otherwise is a person who is still believing that we have a system that still works….when all previous and current evidence shows us differently.
Just observe what America was 20 years ago, and see where we are today. If people today want to keep supporting those who are suppose to be representing us. Then have at it, because things will not be getting better. The Trend has been going downwards and it will continue to do so until they (government) gets what they want and their Agenda is fulfilled.
Words to the South Park Song.
Les: Goin’ down to south park gonna have myself a time!
Stan and kyle: Friendly faces everywhere, humble folks without temptation!
Les: goin’ down to south park gonna leave my woes behind!
Cartman: ample parking day or night, people spouting howdy neighbour!
Les: goin’ down to south park gonna see if i cant unwind,
Kenny: (muffled) i like girls with fat tittes, i like girls with big vaginas!
Les: come on down to south park, and meet some friends of mine.
It’s too hot in Texas. Couple years back they had 100 days of 100 degrees. And they have Houston. Can you get rid of Houston first? I like Cut and Shoot Texas. Great name for a town.
If Texas stays in the union they deserve everything coming. Texas is the only state that is self supporting and can go it alone for sure. May the LONE STAR wave forever!!
Having just posted what I did, I must add this If Texas goes their own way, some tuff love on their part must be taken Why they truly can not be able to take in all the other Americas with enough commonsense to flee to Texas. Sorry folks but fiends is reality lain and simple. They also must defend their boarders from the horde’s fleeing the Civil War in the rest of the states that will surely happen following their departure. Again may the LONE STAR FLAG wave for ever.
Earthquakes all over. Yesterday AM, there were a couple of 6.3 earthquakes in Papua New Guinea and Indonesia. Making room on the Ocean floor for the 8.3 off the west coast of Chile. Today Kamchatka peninsula and Alaska are getting some 4 and 5 pointers. Making room for a new surprise.
I don’t pay much attention to Earthquakes, and other related abnormal weather patterns. To me, it’s just the Earth going through it’s normal routine cycle(s).
Granted, I live in an area that the only threat I may encounter is an F2 Tornado and nothing more. Earthquakes, Tornado’s, Hurricanes, extreme hot and cold plus wet and dry climate is normal behavior for the Earth.
It has destroyed civilizations in the past, and it will continue to do so in the future. The worse case scenario is another Asteroid hitting the Planet, and in due time it will happen again.
My sister-in-law has a small ranch in eastern Texas. They have different thoughts on staying in the union. It would not surpr ize me to see this issue get more attention in the future.
Texas couldn’t secede. The feds would cut off all social security and medicare and that’s all it would take to stop that idea.
The prophet – you do bring up excellent points for those to ponder on. [social security & medicare]
The medical part I can see being workable, but not social security. Feds will not release those funds back to it’s rightful owners.
Medicare, yes, but not Social Security. The feds are already paying benefits to several million Americans living abroad right now. You don’t need to be a citizen to collect your earned benefits.
I’ll bet Texas could manage it’s own medicare program for a lot less money than the feds are doing it for.
But if the federal government can’t pay out benefits anymore, social security may not be an issue.
True, but solvency of the SS fund is a separate issue from paying benefits to people in Texas after hypothetical secession.
I’m from Texas, and I vote we secede, NOW.
I really don’t understand all this talk about SS and medicare. It is not nor should it be a function of the federal government. It was all designed for the feds to maintain more control over the citizens under the guise of helping the citizens. It is an unconstitutional function of government. They can keep the money I’ve paid in over the years if they will just leave me the f*** alone, let me take care of my own retirement as well as medical issues without their help OR control. SS and medicare have become just another tool in the redistribution of wealth.
I may be from a different line of thinking, but to me, we are the United States of America. No matter what happens in DC or what party is in charge, we only succeed if we stay together. If we start splitting up the nation, our enemies have won. We must stand as one nation. If I were in charge and a state decided to secede, I would immediately pull every federal dollar out of that state, close every military base and relocate all federal personnel to another area. The would be treated like any other foreign country. US passports would no longer be valid for travel, and ITAR would apply.
I say the rest of the country should KICK TEXAS OUT OF THE UNIION, lets not wait for them to vote. It could turn out they want to stay, and that would be a worst case scenario.
After kicking Texas out of the UNION, we can recall ALL the military from that so called “state”. Cut off all Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security and ALL federal Spending (which by the way keeps Texas’s ass afloat).
Then lets see how long it takes those sorry pathetic excuses to come crawling back to the Union on all fours.
Go I say, and good riddance. Texas is a NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT, just look at Ted Cruz.
To all you Right wing BOZZO’S out there, when asked which woman to put on the $10, many on the debate stage last night cited Rosa Parks, and the “smart” BUSH could not even come up with one American Woman he would put on the bill. He went to England to find someone. Worse than Pathetic.
FYI nut bags, Rosa Parks sat on the BOARD OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD. So Ted Cruz, a good example of what is wrong with Texas, rails against Planned Parenthood, but would put one of their board members on the $20 bill. Stupidity cannot lower itself enough to be on his level.
So go TEXAS and take all your ignorance with you, the rest of country would be MUCH better off if you just went away.
Lord Know we would have a lot more intelligent political discussion without stupid texans like Ted Cruz polluting the waters.
Thank You, I did not know that Rosa Parks was on the board of planned parenthood. This new information makes me question who the real targets for abortion are. I have always heard that most abortions are performed on black women. May be this is not so. If it is, why would a black woman want to abort black babies. That doesn’t make sense. Confused and admittedly ignorant.
The rest of the country would be better without Texas? You must be drinking lots of that liberal koolaid. We pay into the federal government than we get back from them. We supply more fossil fuels to this country than ANY other state. A higher percentage of our military comes from Texas. Texas has 3 of the top 10 of the nation’s ports. We can supply our own manufacturing, farming, ranching, water, and energy needs. The biggest problem Texas has is all the people coming here from the shitholes of the world and the rest of the nation. After y’all f***ed wherever you come from you come here. Well, we dont want you coming here and f***ing up Texas like you did wherever you’re coming from. If anyone would lose out if Texas left the U.S.A., it would not be Texas. The U.S.A. is MUCH MORE DEPENDANT on Texas the Texas is on the rest of the nation. Go ahead, kick us out, then freeze in the dark.
Oh please, don’t let the negro do this to you. He is going be out of work in a few months barring the a** does not declare himself president for life.
“State” is the legal term for “nation”. All the United States are nations (not “is” “a nation”).
Yet, the sentiment among the PEOPLE right after the evolution was, apparently, and logically still is, that the People are, individually, their own states or nations (“gentlemen” and “ladies”–arms-bearing nobility). The states themselves are but mere unions or alliances of those free, noble individuals (which means EVERYONE), and the Union of states is just a continental alliance of those states.
With any modern state’s secession, the Union has lot’s of unexplainable explaining to do as to why THEY, not the defending South, murdered 600,000 people and destroyed entire countries (Georgia in particular) just to, as Lincoln himself said, “preserve the Union” (in other words, to cram the slavery of the states within that “Union” down the South’s throats so that no one else could claim the South’s secession as precedent for their own withdrawal from the Union, a Union that was even then becoming evident as the imperialistic tyranny of Big Business that it had always been intended to be, as mis-Constituted by the likes of Alexander Hamilton and his other imperialistic Federalist buddies like James Madison who wrote and later dastardly interpreted the U.S. Constitution as being a rope with which to hang the states and their peoples).
The Bill of Rights is the only effective part of the U.S. Constitution that is valid, since the states demanded it be Amendments to that Constitution before they would dare join the Union–they having just sacrificially hard-won the Revolution against tyrannical Britain and would have never have given up their battle-born statehoods to any new empire. But, of course, the Bill of Rights is dismissed by many a Constitutional “expert” as being, at best, only an “unnecessary” repetition of what they claim the Constitution already provided! Really?!
No, those Amendments were meant to AMEND the Federal supremacy that was the warp and woof of that new Constitution that was recommended and adopted out of order in a Convention that was called only to consider Amendments to the existing Articles of Confederation of a Union which did not question the states'(or their peoples’) sovereignty. …No wonder so much specific, violently-enforceable authoritarianism was a conspicuous part of the un-amended, pre-Bill of Rights U.S. Constitution. Federal “supreme law of the land”, Militia under government–not the people’s–control, provisions for “suppression of (Shay’s, Whiskey) rebellion” (in a supposed democracy or republic founded by rebellion????)–all those are authoritarian provisions that needed and, as far as the states were concerned, were amended by the Bill of Rights.
Texas A&M left the big 12 so why can’t Texas leave the Union?
I would love for them to leave my federal taxes would go down.
If Texas ever seceded from the Union I would move to Texas.