Facts That Gun Grabbers Can’t Wrap Their Minds Around

by | Jul 8, 2015 | Aftermath, Conspiracy Fact and Theory | 178 comments

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    It seems like there are irreconcilable differences between those who are pro-Second Amendment, and those who advocate gun control, and I think it goes beyond their personal beliefs. They think about the world in fundamentally different ways, which becomes plainly obvious when you see how these two groups compile data on homicides and gun ownership. Let’s take a look at how anti-gun folks see these numbers:

    Higher ownership of guns in the United States has been linked to more violent crimes and overall homicides, according to a new study by researchers at Harvard University.

    I was intrigued when I first read that. I don’t think it would change my overall position on the rights of human beings if this were true, but I’d like to know if the statistics I give readers are true or not, so I decided to read more into this study.

    Firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in US states with the most guns versus states with the least, said study researcher Michael Monuteaux, an epidemiologist and professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School.

    “We found no support for the hypothesis that owning more guns leads to a drop or a reduction in violent crime, instead, we found the opposite,” Monuteaux told Live Science.

    “This study suggests that it’s really hard to find evidence that where there are more guns, there are less crimes, but you can easily find evidence that where there are a lot more guns, there are a lot more gun crimes,” he said.

    Numerous studies have found that gun ownership is directly associated with gun-related homicides, and homicide by gun is the most common type of homicide in the United States.

    Boston University researcher Michael Siegel and colleagues found in a 2013 study published in the American Journal of Public Health that over 30 years, gun ownership levels correlated with firearm homicides, such that the higher the gun ownership rate, the higher the firearm homicide rate.

    Do you see what they did there? At first, the article was about gun ownership causing violent crime. Then it shifts back and forth between that, and claiming that more guns cause more gun related crimes. I swear the next time I hear the words “gun homicide” “gun crimes” or “firearm homicides” I’m gonna scream.

    That’s because gun control advocates can always find plenty of statistics that show higher gun ownership rates correlate with gun related crimes. Obviously, if you live in a state or country with an easy access to firearms, there will be more crimes committed with firearms. Human beings always seek out the most effective tools for the job, so they will always spring for best weapons they can get a hold of, regardless of whether or not they are criminals or law-abiding citizens.

    But gun control advocates have a tendency to ignore overall homicides, and instead focus on homicides that are caused by firearms. When you do that, you’re missing the bigger picture. You’ll always fail to recognize that, while more guns equal more gun related crimes, they may also cause the overall violent crime rate to go down, a fact which has been proven time and time again.

    Now it’s true that the Harvard study did claim to find a relationship between more guns and a higher overall homicide rate. I decided to look for another article that had more details on the study, which I did find. The researchers behind the study admitted that while there did appear to be a connection between more guns and more crime, they weren’t sure which came first. Do guns cause more crime, or does a higher crime rate cause people to buy more guns?

    This reminds me of another falsehood that gun controllers fall for over and over again. They love comparing the statistics of criminal homicides and justifiable homicides. Criminal homicides account for many more deaths than the former, so they conclude that guns are much more likely to be used by a criminal to kill, then they are to be used by a law-abiding citizen to protect themselves. But there’s a serious problem with that conclusion.

    As many of us now know, police departments in America are famously bad at reporting the number of “justified” homicides their officers commit. And apparently, they’re even worse at reporting justified homicides committed by average Americans. These numbers also don’t account for how often someone uses a gun to protect themselves, which don’t result in injury or death. It’s a number we’ll probably never know for sure, since some people probably don’t even bother reporting these incidents to the police.

    So the next time you read about any study that draws a conclusions between gun ownership, crime, and self-defense, always read between the lines and dig a little deeper. The truth is often elusive.


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      1. I guess nothing is safe now days….

          • 1. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

            2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

            3. Gun control is not about guns, it’s about control.

            4. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

            5. If you don’t know your rights you don’t have any.

            6. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

            7. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.

            8. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

            9. You don’t shoot to kill, you shoot to stay alive.

            10. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

            11. Criminals love gun control — it makes their jobs safer.

            12. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

            13. When you remove the people’s right to bear arms, you create slaves.

            14. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

            15. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

            • Eppe, I couldn’t have said it any better. I wish we had the thumbs back. Mac, what about it? any chance of getting thumbs or anything similar?

              • Brave,NO NO NO to thumbs,damn things slow loading times,just say…..NO!

                • I don’t even intend to shoot the people that will come to attempt to take my weapons. May have to shoot some of them, but the majority of them will burn to death. Fuck them as they ain’t worth as much as spit on the ground.

              • No Thumb Suckers on here please. Now Go back to your play pen and shake your rattle.

                • Miss all those thumbs down, do ya?

            • Eppe:
              BRAVO, BRAVO!!!!! true word have never been spoken.
              S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

              • I stole this from the internet and posted it here because I knew you folks would love it:

                When Forest Gump died, he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates. St. Peter said, “Welcome, Forest. We’ve heard a lot about you.”

                He continued, “Unfortunately, it’s getting pretty crowded up here and we find that we now have to give people an entrance examination before we let them in.”

                “Okay,” said Forest. “I hope it’s not too hard. I’ve already been through a test. My momma used to say, ‘Life is like a final exam. It’s hard.’ ”

                “Yes, Forest, I know. But this test is only three questions. Here they are.”

                1) Which two days of the week begin with the letter ‘T’?”
                2) How many seconds are in a year?
                3) What is God’s first name?

                “Well, sir,” said Forest, “The first one is easy. Which two days of the week begin with the letter ‘T’? Today and Tomorrow.”

                St. Peter looked surprised and said, “Well, that wasn’t the answer I was looking for, but you have a point. I give you credit for that answer.”

                “The next question,” said Forest, “How many seconds are in a year? Twelve.”

                “Twelve?” said St. Peter, surprised and confused.

                “Yes, sir. January 2nd, February 2nd, March 2nd …”
                St. Peter interrupted him. “I see what you mean. I’ll have to give you credit for that one, too.”

                “And the last question,” said Forest, “What is God’s first name? It’s Andy.”

                “Andy?” said St. Peter, in shock. “How did you come up with ‘Andy’?”

                “I learned it in church. We used to sing about it.” (Forest broke into song), “Andy walks with me, Andy talks with me, Andy tells me I am His own.”

                St. Peter opened the gate to heaven and said, “Run, Forest, Run!”

                • Andy is a friend to Gladly, the Cross-Eyed Bear.

                • NAH, his name is Howard, Go to Church. They tell you and Howard is his name, His will be done on Earth====. You people just never listen. Same thing 40,000 abused womon have in common (Boy am I glad the thumbs aren’t working)

            • 16 Gun control means hitting your target.

        • An armed man is a citizen.
          An unarmed man is a subject.

          • In Detroit and Chi town an unarmed white guy is a courpse.


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          • Run …Run …Run…Run away from the big bad wolf you SISSY !!!

          • Yandex dot com is based in Russia and is free. Your inbox can be customized and it’s pretty cool. I hear people already saying “why would you want Russians to have your email?

            To that I say: Russians are over there in Russia, I am not in Russia. The NSA/CIA would have a much easier time acting on their hacking of my email than Russians would, even if they were interested.

            At least Russia didn’t give the U.S. govt an open backdoor into their email client’s accounts…

        • Eppe, that is oh so true. This is a damn good article by Joshua Krause. The first sentence really hit the nail on the head. There are “irreconcilable differences” between us, people who believe in the 2A and support self-defense and are against crime; and those who support banning private gun ownership are against any and all forms of self-defense, and support criminals. Let me give a fact they better be able to grab if they want to live. ANYONE WHO COMES TO MY PLACE TO GRAB GUNS OR ANYTHING ELSE I HAVE WILL JUST GET THEIR STUPID ASSES BLOWN AWAY. THEY’LL JUST BE THROWING THEIR LIVES AWAY FOR A LOST CAUSE. HEAR ME NOW, DHS AND NSA?

          • I 2nd that I shit you not. You try to ban my arms and come to my house I don’t give a crap what the hell they are doing Im prepared to take a lot of good people out that are working for the wicked and corrupt. Stand up for yourselves people and be on the right side of things. look around at the world, everyone is trying to control everyone. You try to grab my guns you will not be happy that you did. The pace things are going we are losing a lot at record paces the damage this piece of shit has done. We need to do something soon. Don’t leave all your guns in 1 location either if you can to avoid these people from getting your property and rights. They have turned themselves into nothing more than a big bully PC syndicate mob against the people. We are not free what a crock. And to all you corrupt police bastards as well, try to take our weapons and you will not be doing that ever again. Get out of peoples lives and go after the god damn corrupt people in Washington!! DO your jobs!!!

            • We are dealing with real communists in the white house that are controlling our resources. If there were a thousand people like me I would of dragged out all the corrupt people that are destroying our country and holding them at trial with the public to decide what to do with them. Replace them with Real people who will represent this nation and us at the same time staying away from special interests groups. We have to figure something out. But there is really nothing we can do I suppose realistically to get rid of people like Hillary and the lying news to all the illegals and all the lies we are being fed. Even FOX is confusing. Now half the time when there is a special bulletin on and saying Iran is building the Nuke. They probably already have them. Anything the news says are lies or complete opposite from the truth. Total disgrace anymore.

              • Clint, the biggest problem is we have people who truly believe that socialism or communism is terriffic!
                They actually believe that people like us are bad and wrong,
                My new mo is resistance to these changes and policies. At any cost….

                • Kula and Clint,
                  remember our forefathers thought like WE do and they had to end up overthrowing the people who did not think like us and for many years we were OK, but over the years the other group has slowly taken over, frog in the boiling water, and to many of us were couch potatoes and SOOOOOO we are screwed until we either die off or WIN this fight!!!

                  • apache, but ohhhh this warm water feels sooo good. Is that bubbles I feel under my feet. Trekker Out. Hoist That Battle Flag!

                  • Just look at Europe, same crap, its a shame

              • Clinthospo, AMEN to both of your posts.

            • Gun Grabbing will be like catching falling swords. Try to be that first Govnt AHole that knocks at the porch door first time. Uh ummm I’m here to pick up your guns. He wouldn’t last a minute in my southern state redneck neighborhood. He probably would never be seen again.. Heck, no need to call the Sheriff or Coroner. Just feed him to the 10 ft Gators out back. They will eat his leather boots and all. And the local scrapers will have the car torn apart and gone in a few hours. .

        • Gun Sales spiked in June 2015 up 11% from last year. A record 1.53 million back ground checks took place in june alone not counting private sales. I smell blood coming from the Tyrants infected with massive lead poisoning These Congressional criminals are even trying to ban Body Armor for everybody but Government employees. LOL. Shoot them in the balls when they come at ya.

        • Nothing at all is bud, wait till hillary is our president, they dont even hide their corruption

          • Kulafarmer.

            Hillary, Our next president. Remember she had some cranial problems awhile back. Watch who she picks for V.P.. She could stroke out under all that pressure.

            • She’ll probably pick Bloomberg for VP.

        • Here is the odd thing: the gun grabbers never *EVER* advocate taking guns away from the cops yet they are perfectly willing to used the deaths those guns cause to take away the rest of the guns that never cause any death.

          Did you know that more than 20% of the “gun death statics” they use are derived from the cops killing people with their guns? Yeah. They’re that deceptive. Just ask a gun rights violator if they are for taking the guns away from the police. If they say “no” ask them why not? After their done with their BS pointedly state that taking all the guns away from the cops would reduce gun related deaths by 20% or more.

          They will reach as far as they have to to make you believe the lie.


          Guy robs bank. Bank guard beats robber guy to death with a tire iron that the UPS guy was using to change his tire. Since the UPS guy was only there to deliver a new holster to the guard, its considered a “gun related death”. The tire iron would not have been there if it wasn’t for those evil guns: Gun related death.

          You’re walking down the street and you have a few spent 9mm casings in your pocket. Unknowing you develop a hole in your pocket and one of them drops out. You hear the clink and realize what happened. You grab your pocket and secure the remaining casings. Looking around, you don’t see the one that dropped. “Oh, well, I’ve to a lot more.” Three hours later a 23 year old black man is walking along next to the curb, pants down to his knees, swagering along, he sort of stumbles and his foot hits and rolls on your empty casing, he trips and falls into the path of an oncoming bus. Tripped on a fired 9mm casing: Gun related death.

          John Q and Mary A Public are headed to the gun shop to buy some more ammo. They get in a heated argument whether they should buy green tip or ballistic tip 223 ammo for their ARs. John’s driving and gets very upset. Not watching his driving he drops off the edge of the road, bounces against the guardrail which turns him partially sideways and launches him into the oncoming lane of traffic. Died on the way to the gun shop: Gun related death.

          I know your laughing, but, you should be crying.

          They just make shit up like I just made this up.

          …and if you don’t believe me, go look up and see how many murders are listed in Newtown, CT. No, really, go look at them. Do you think they’re just not listing them because they don’t want to “upset the victims”. Uh, no. Its because THEY KNOW.


          Just how much do they make up? Well, at this point, the only gun deaths that I believe are the ones I’ve actually seen: 0

          The world is full of liars. Most liars are control freaks. Many are lawyers. Lots of them cops. But, the highest concentration of liars are in the upper ranks of (color of) law enforcement, government and politics.

          If they say it, just figure its not true. If they try to prove it you can bet your bottom dollar they’re making money off of it or gaining power from it.

          Liars to the left of me. Liars to the right of me.

          • great post. I couldn`t help but LOL to…

            `Three hours later a 23 year old black man is walking along next to the curb, pants down to his knees, swagering along, he sort of stumbles and his foot hits and rolls on your empty casing, he trips and falls into the path of an oncoming bus. Tripped on a fired 9mm casing: Gun related death.`

        • When a gun is used to commit a crime, we are asked to blame ALL gun owners for the crime, but we are told to excuse all Muslim serial killers as lone wolfs.

          I’m not buying into any of this and I’m not going to turn in my gunz.

        • Harvard has already done a study entitled ‘Would banning firearms reduce suicide and murder?’ The answer was NO. (Kates/Mauser study)

          But people keep donating $$$ to Harvard for more ‘research’ ($350 MILLION last year, tax deductable of course).

          Make no mistake, this latest ‘study’ was well funded.

          Reference: google ‘Harvard gun control’

      2. Liberals wouldn’t know the truth if it bit them in the butt.

        • Facts That Gun Grabbers Can’t Wrap Their Minds Around

          Should read “Facts That Gun Grabbers WONT Wrap Their Minds Around.”

          Trying to argue with these people is futile. Give it up. Some one says ” we should all turn in our guns,” tell them “come take them.” And then say, “oh that’s right you cant take my stuff because you have no guns, BUT I can damn well take yours.”

          Ask them if they will allow you to put up a gun free zone sign in their yard.

          But even tho they lose the argument, they wont change their minds until someone they love or even they themselves gets raped, murdered, or assaulted is some way. Tell the gun control folks that they are only liberals that haven’t been raped yet.

          • They won’t change their minds then either. They’ll blame it on “guns”–especially on private keeping and bearing of guns as arms.

          • .02, I’d give you a 100 thumbs up if we had that feature. I’ve been waiting forever for a libturd to suffer a home invasion, lose some loved ones, and see what they say about gun control afterwards.

            • The six sided star promotes liberalism to create conflict. Its a deep seeded parasite that feeds on Our Freedoms for their control. Every Law takes away a Freedom. Wake up minions. Jello OrkinMan.

              • All atheists are obsessed with religion. Ain’t that true wwti?

                • Anybody who chooses to call themselves Zero.. That prerty much sums up their credibility. Calling out the ZOG for their crimes against humanity does not make me an athiest. Nice try skippy, now go back to your bagle and cartoons.

          • Gun Rights Violator = Citizen Who Hasn’t Been Raped Yet

        • I am not a conservative but I believe very strongly in the Constitution– esp. the second amendment.

          Please don’t group everyone together. I am not Republipuke or the other– just a human being. I realize BOTH parties are corrupt as hell!

          • You don’t have to be a conservative to believe in the Constitution, just an intelligent American. And I agree, both parties are corrupt

            • Jim,

              Corrupt is a word that has a definition. Their corruption has gone beyond corruption to the point that its something else. We can call it corruption for the time being but thats like saying “The sun produces some heat.” or that “The ocean is damp.” or that “Obama told a lie.” When you take a step back its like, well, corrupt just doesn’t really cover it anymore, you know?

        • Harvard medical school wouldn’t know a double blind study from a goat fk. They’re all commies.

          • Harlon, I take all of those ‘studies’ with a whole shaker of salt. They’re all bogus I believe.

            • I think to help end corrupt Government is for everybody to Register as an Independent. They are the largest voting block out there. Time to end the corrupt 2 Party system and their support. The current 2 party system’s agenda is to screw the people to enrich themselves wirh power and money. Once they taste easy money they are hypmotized.

      3. Gun control means using both hands.

        Molon Labe etc etc.

        Taking the HAM radio (Yeasu FT-991) to the Sierra Nevada mountains this weekend for some in the field operations. One radio, one 12V deep cycle battery and one long piece of wire thrown in a tree = worldwide communications!

        • T.S
          I think you are going to get a lot of info. Let us know what you hear.
          Thanks Sgt.

        • Townsaver, try 3.965 Mhz on Saturday 0700 hrs for the Central Nevada ARES net. 0730 hours for the RARA net (Rural Amateur Radio Association net) Also, 3.947-3.950 Mhz on Sunday at 0800 hrs for the Eastern Sierra net.

        • I’m going to a field day event on Sat with my radio as well. Probably only going to be on 10 meter though. Too many people to be stringing long wire antennas. I’ll give a listen for you. Just mention location and we’ll go from there. My call starts with KD8***. 73

          I was pulling Japan last year on my vertical whip so maybe we’ll get an update from the Pacific Basin on what’s really happening over there.I haven’t seen what the sun cycle looks like lately though.

        • Still got the FT 101B ready to go!

      4. no chains can hold a person as tightly as the chains of their beliefs. I have witnessed this so often that I dont even argue anything with anyone who has “their mind made up.” It is totally pointless and useless. Then we have the people that are rewarded to argue the case in their best interest. You think the EBT carrying FSA is going to agree that they should get off their asses and get a 9 dollar an hour job? Not likely. How many millions has Bloomberg gave away to get people to see the gun control issue in his light and what is is hidden agenda? And remember, we have lies, gdman lies and statics. This is a great example.

        • .02, there goes another 100 thumbs up I’d give you if we had that feature back. Let me add that the libturds LOVE their chains.

        • Bloomberg’s agenda is the globalist Jewish agenda. Control the European people by flooding their nations with third-worlders, and then remove their right to effective self-defense. Here is one of Bloomberg’s fellow tribe members spouting similar ideology:


          • Judo Chops:

            Barbara Lerner Spectre

            The woman in this video displays signs of someone lying. For example her eyes are fluttering.

            Thank you for the video. It is terrifying. I am not against anyone. This woman is like Al Capone speaking for the entire body of Italian people. I do not believe she speaks for her people, she speaks for a small group of NWO wealthy amoral control freaks who created the genocide against the very people for whom she now pretends to speak. Hope this madness does not end with our own demise. Depopulation and money are the root of much evil.

      5. Harvard university is the home of Alan Dershowitz, and now this researcher named Michael Siegel and colleagues are surfacing again. Not sure about you but I have been called Nazi to tell the truth about the six sided star actors and I wonder why these names are all under the same star.

        • Stolz, Dershowitz is one of the biggest commie propagandists who ever lived.

          • Indeed Brave. He and like him want to disarm Americans while killing unarmed kids and women in their occupied land due to the fact that they can’t shoot back.

            I won’t shot back btw. I just open fricking burst if needed to protect myself and my loves ones.

            • Stolz, from my Book Of Resistance, Chapter 12-gauge, Verses .380ACP, .22LR, and .30Carbine.

      6. Better believe it! Sometimes you encounter somebody doing something they should not be doing- you politely ask them: Why you doing that?
        They tell you to mind your own fucking bizness- then they move towards you with their fists raised.
        You draw the handgun out of your pocket- point it at the ground beside your feet- and cock it.
        And you ask them: “How far you wanna take this?”
        I have never had to go further! (Propper ‘gun control’- is hitting what you are aiming at. And making absolutely clear- that you know how to do just that!
        Rat on!

        • Dave, welcome aboard. I’ve used the same tactic on would-be home invaders, in some cases pointing the weapon at them, and telling them, ‘this is you only chance to go away from my home ALIVE. Don’t be a dumbass and make me shoot you’. That tactic has worked every time like a charm for me. But when the balloon goes up, I think all bets will be off and people literally just stop caring. I dread it but I won’t shrink from what I have to do.

        • ” they move towards you with their fists raised.”

          Then you just kick their lilly ass , why shoot someone over a fistfight?
          No need to shoot an unarmed thug , BEAT his ass down !

          • If you can’t carry a firearm, perhaps at least carry a small pepper spray canister.
            Make that asswipe weep like a schoolgirl- you’ll enjoy the show!

          • You go ahead and get in a fight with a violent thug 40 years younger and 50 pounds heavier. Me, I’m going to shoot him.

            I boxed two years in college, no way I’m getting in a fistfight with some punk and get kicked in the head. I may be more experienced than he is, but he probably had his last experience yesterday.

            • I always say “don’t pick a fight with an old man, he will just kill you”

          • Too old to take an ass beating , too young to die over it

            Good enough reasoning for me
            You go ahead and get your skull caved in

          • Because 1, I’m old and slow. 2. I take much to long to heal. 3. The dead rarely come back. 4. I’ve got a Zombe gun if they do.

      7. The taxpayers are filing a lawsuit against Chicago residents for failing to raise their children to be successful adults. The lawsuit lists 600,000 single females each raising no less than five kids to three different fathers. The fathers were not listed in the lawsuit as it could not be accurately determined if they were alive, incarcerated, or no longer in the region. Also cited are civic leaders who failed lawfully and correctly appropriate billions in funding to targeted areas. In addition taxpayers demand a different method of allocating welfare benefits be applied. Single mothers will have their assistance reduced for each new child they bring into the world while on assistance. Bringing in new children while receiving benefits indicates that your economic situation is improving thus the prior benefits at existing levels are no longer needed.

        hows that?

        • /clapping/

          • The sheeple believe anything a “reputable” source tells them. The sheeple don’t question anything. If the MSM told the sheeple to kill their first born child to honor Obama, a bunch of sheeple would do that without question. This country is sick.

            • Kfilly, ANYONE who has blind and unquestioning faith in the MSM is a lost cause and deserve whatever they get.

            • What is so bad about liberals killing their first born or any of their offspring. Less liberal reproducing and causing problems for the rest of us

        • EOTS, those are some BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL thoughts, but I’m sorry to say you’re dreaming.

          • I know boss
            It was ment to make some people think

        • Time to Stop Rewarding failure. Making babies for more money with the bonus of not marrying the father, so you can be declared single parent for more money, is not a career choice tax payers need to be funding. The Food Stamp Program was also designed for ajother big income stream for Bigg Agra. Follow the money and really see WHO gets it in the end. Why the Facist Cirporations. Same with Mediscare and Medicade. Big Pharma is the big winner where GW bush would not alow competitive pricing for drugs, thus tax payers get soaked again. Kinda like charities where 95% of the donations goes for admin and salaries. Just more fleecing reflecting lipstick on a pig. Its still a pig.

        • I like solutions which will work! Excellent idea.

      8. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.












        • I’m glad I don’t have to live in Chicago, the gun violence there is almost as bad as Iraq. Of course, the “gun violence” in Chicago is majority(over 98%) Black-on-Black so THOSE “black lives don’t matter” according to the Mayor of Chicago.
          The Harvard study must be looked at, to determine what artificial criteria they used to make their schewed determination in their “study”.
          Since they already had decided upon a predetermined outcome, their “Study” is mere propaganda against legal gun ownership and therefore, trash at best.
          When one carefully(intentionally) selects the criteria to be “measured” one can pre-determine their “study” to be whatever they choose it to be. Josef Goebbels would be proud of his fellow disciples at Harvard for their “efforts”.




            FUCK YOU GOV.

            END OF STORY

          • TPS, those studies are nothing but propaganda.

          • Who paid for the study?

          • If you go into research with a pre-determined outcome, you will prove your theory correct every time.

            Unfortunately, if you can’t replicate your results, your proof is wrong.

        • STRAIGHT SHOOTER…. Well stated. If I may add ……Gun Violence was minimal in Iraq and Syria either due to having a dictatorship or their culture….Same with Ukraine until our corrupt Banking cartel controlled Government started the bloodshed in those countries.

          • Your email address ends in .ru, right?

        • The 2nd Ammendment is the only thing stopping them from having us dig the trenches and then putting us in them. The have no tolerance for us whatsoever!

          Gun sales in June hit a new record, surprise!, surprise!!!

          • Never, ever, ever, forget that Obama’s mentor is on record saying that to achieve the goals of the left for this country they were going to have to kill about 25 million Americans.

            That’s not paranoia, it’s truth. Given the power, they’ll do it in a heartbeat.

        • Right on SS, despite the issues its still the best

      10. Social engineering at work.

      11. Good article and thanks for getting some not so readily readable facts across. However, rather guns cause an increase or a decrease in crime is of no importance to me whatsoever. I’m not intelligent enough to grasp countrywide statistics. But the fact is, I carry a licensed concealed .45/410 that saved my life 22 Sep. ’14. I do know that I came home uninjured after an unprovoked attack, and the attacker (a convicted felon on probation} went to jail where he still is to this day. My life is still mine to live and that is the only stat/fact that I care about. If people continue to refuse to make gun ownership and gun training their one and only priority before getting on to the next thing on the list, then the next thing may be there own funeral. Between a fact and a stat we should always choose facts. God be with you and thanks for the article. Blessings.

        • Messenger, glad to hear you survived your encounter and successfully defended yourself.

          • Thanks Braveheart, and keep on keeping on. Blessings

        • Glad you make it out OK.

          If you would have shot the bastard, that would have been another gun homicide tallied up in the research. Totally bogus.

      12. Well gee, statistically, I can show that drowning is caused primarily by eating ice cream, that dosn’t really means it does, but if you want to correlate the two with statistics I can do that to give the illusion that it does and the libtards will want to ban ice cream. ” to save the children ” of course.

        • MommaD, I’ll shoot any libturd who tries to take my ice cream. That’s something worth fighting for.

          • No kidding, there’s a local brand of Huckleberry ice cream up here that is to die for !

        • They banned/tried to ban ice cream in the 60s I think because the charts/stats of the leading scientist indicated a rise in the summer months..of TB cases in kids. Turns out ice cream/dairy wasn’t the case but dairy farmers/ice cream proveyers lobied against it, in stead of finding out the truth it became a political battle… I find this happens in more situations then I wish.. Bah…

      13. One of these days the gun grabbers are going to get BIT IN THE A$$!

        You Can’t Rape A 38. This is me favorite line when I teach gun class to people.

        Let the gun grabbers go with out guns and let them be victims. You be a winner not a victim. If they don’t like it they can GTH. (Go To Hell)


        • Sarge, maybe they like to be defenseless and get raped? Imagine Diane F…how else can she get it? For the male portion of the club I bet they are part of the rainbow love so they take anything and everything. But on a serious note, gun grabbers have a much bigger agenda and they don’t like armed populace.

          • Rape is not so much a physical act as an act of violence and as such, results not in “pleasure” as your stupid post suggests, but rather all sorts of emotional problems for the female– Imagine if you (the male) were raped by another male! How would that effect your self esteem?! Think about that before you make your stupid remarks!

            No one wants their sense of power, self-respect destroyed! So please stop with you stupid remarks!

            • Annon ASS…. Looks like you have some self esteem issue? My comment wasn’t stupid rather it was sarcastic toward one of the biggest gun grabbing bitch in the USA.

              just GO and STFU.

            • Anon, uh, I suggest you read Stolz’s post again. Sounds like you missed something. I clearly understood his post and he made some very valid points.

              • Thanks Brave. I am open to apology when I make a mistake and I might be too harsh in my response to Anonymous. Rape is not a joke and that’s exactly I push more for women to be armed and to not hesitate to shoot the rapist until he is DEAD. As you stated my point was something totally different.

                • Stolz, you’re very welcome. You didn’t make any mistake. That stupid, useless troll posting under anonymous screwed up.

                  • Stolz, BTW, I’m sure you’re aware Feinstein and other members of the tribe have written and/or co-sponsored numerous pieces of ‘gun control’ legislation over the years. Did you know Feinstein also wrote and/or co-sponsored THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT? She’s also a feminazi in addition to being a gun grabber. On youtube you’ll find an interesting video of an interview CBS News had with Feinstein in 1995 where she openly admitted the goal is to disarm us. Just type in ‘CBS News/Feinstein Interview 1995’ into their search engine.

                    • Brave…ohhh brother I know everything about her and her tribe. Beside her satanic face one comment from her wakes me up at night when she said something like: If I had my way I would tell Mr. and Mrs. America to bring your guns in.

            • ASSNON
              You can’t rape a 45 that is why I carry one.

              Go away troll nobody likes you here or wants you here.

              It not a physical act. You dumb shit you mean an act of violence isn’t an physical act? Damn you have a lot to learn.

              • Sarge, way to go! Nobody could ever rape any of the members of my ‘ventilation team’, either. Especially the 12-gauge loaded with 00 buck. Assnon should go over to huffpost.com. He’ll fit right in with those morons.

            • There are lots of ways to get raped.

          • Dianne F HAS her California Concealed Weapons Permit, issued by the County of San Francisco, but for her Federal Election paperwork claims her residence in Marin County(across the Bay) as her “primary residence”, so her past as Mayor of S.F. is part of the Socialist/Marxist/ProgressivePlantation “cover-your-a**” strategy for those who continue to spew that failed ideological dogma.
            I doubt DiFI has even cleaned her own S&W .38 special snub-nose revolver listed on her permit in decades. Perhaps she will ultimately be “victimized” by an illegal alien who decides to rob her, pistol-whip her with her own revolver, abuse her sexually, then leave her remains to rot after shooting her in the head. I would hate for her to be “martyred” in the name of social justice, but I wouldn’t be shocked at all, if in her arrogance, she eschewed her assigned Capitol Police PSD, and fell victim to violence from another illegal in the Sanctuary City of San Francisco.
            Such violence IS the only thing these truly mindless ideological zombies will ever “understand” to see the errors of their own ideological false hoods. Hopefully, she’ll be having dinner with Rostan Himself-Sheriff-of-SF when it happens and we can get a two-fer.(rhetorically speaking of course)

            • TPS, those are some nice thoughts. We can always hope for something like that. Regardless of what happens, she’ll never see the error of her ways. she belongs to the tribe. They’re perfect. [SARCASM]

            • There’s alot of Lt. Jim Dangles in the SF sheriffs dept., currently involved in a lawsuit that they made inmates fight ‘like gladiators’.

              And SF Sheriff Mirkarimi? This dude was on probation WHILE he was running the dept! (wife-beater) – he could not carry his pistol due to domestic violence charges. Only 2 of 355 officers voted for him to be sheriff.
              A gun owner before being sheriff, he has pushed for more gun control- kind of like Pelosi’s hypocritical attitude- ‘guns for me yes, for you no’.

              Source: Wikipedia

              • (I don’t know if anti-gunner Feinstein still has her CCW.)

                • She might not still have a CCW, but she certainly does have armed bodyguards.

            • hey some things even an illegal won’t do!

          • Stolz, anyone who would want Feinstein must be on crack. I often make the same point about libturds suffering a home invasion and then tell us afterward how they feel about gun control, IF they survive the home invasion.

          • “S.V.”
            I knew where you were coming from. Some people like ASSNON just don’t understand.
            By the way Diane Frankenstein has a Carry Conceal license. Hypocrite Bitch!

          • Actually, Diane F. has been raped many times, that is why she carries a gun. She holds the gun on them and makes them do it… how else is she going to get any. Bless and God forgive me!

        • Sarge, I’ll be putting ‘precious metals’ into someone’s ass if they come after anything I have. At my home, a home invasion carries the death penalty. Decision is final and there is no appeal. AIM SMALL MISS SMALL

          • Brave

      14. If it really, really means that much to these Liberals to have firearms removed from society. Then I offer them an open invitation to come to my residence to collect them.

        Question I ask them is: “what are they going to have in their hands to defend themselves when I switch from 3 round burst to fully automatic?”

        I’ll mow them down, like the cock-a-roaches that they are!

        • You’ll get your chance to do that when they either pull you over, stop you or, knock at or just stomp down your door(s) and window(s) in the middle of the night (or whenever). You’ll be portrayed on the news as a “criminal”, “terrorist”, “mentally unstable”, “Confederate”, “conservative”, “SHTFplan.com-reader”, etc. When all the one’s who claim they’ll “do this or that” actually DO that when they see it done to another, then something will change against the powers-that-be.

          • Yes, think massive and spontaneous.

        • TM, the answer is to remove LIBTURDS from society.

      15. Look at the gun grabbers in Chicago. Must be all them criminal right wingers committing all the crime.

      16. Facts That Gun Grabbers Can’t Wrap Their Minds Around

        More people are killed by Hammers, Knives, Baseball Bats, Lead Pipes…etc. then by the use of Guns.

        Liberals, for once STFU about it. You have lost, if not all of your credibility to debate this issue once you voiced your opinions on gun control.

        • dickNcider, damn good post. BTW, libturds NEVER have any credibility.

          • Oh, I’m very much aware of the credibility and the liberal issue. I guess it was my way of showing compassion for them, even though I know damn well I was lying in the process of doing so.

            • dickNcider, I HATE libturds and everything they stand for. I won’t mince any words on that. Having compassion for your enemy can be a fatal mistake.

              • It’s because they talk out the side of their face and only live to have more power over others!!!

              • Sorry Braveheart
                I suppose my sarcasm should of been written better and more clearer than what I had typed in. lol

                • dickNcider, no offense taken and no apology needed. I understood your post.

      17. Why, oh why, do we continue, and continue, and continue to argue forever with these leftist, communist bastards? Do you think that they will, at some time, listen to reason? Do you think that they are average Americans who have received a bad education who can be turned by the simple truth of freedom and the liberty of mankind? NO, and never will this happen! Forget about stupid compromises and continuing conversations! End it!,end it all! They hate liberty, they despise America and all that it once stood for and they wish you and I to be stone cold DEAD just as they wished those millions of White, Christian Russians that they murdered so long ago. Tell the soulless bastards that the conversations have ended, the argumentations are over; Push any further and we, the American people, have something for you that will absolutely ruin your centuries old plan!!!

        • Aurelius… AMEN.

        • Aurelius, excellent points. I wouldn’t have any trouble shooting ‘progressives’ to put them out of their misery.

        • You are right, stop giving their demands consideration , too often we allow the leftist faction to “drive” the conversation simply because they are always cryin about something .
          Engaging in discussion over leftist issues give them power and credibility , ignore with impunity .
          So ya , you make a good point.

      18. When you meet someone advocating gun control, ask them one simple question:

        “What are the gun control laws you want that Mexico doesn’t already have?”.

        • You are right, America is turning into Nazi Germany because people of all stripes, including many posters here, prefer the big lie and propaganda over verifiable facts. They are too lazy or too stupid to actually think and inform themselves.

          • Cantstand BS, I agree about the sheeple, but none of us here are sheeple. That part is BS and I “can’t stand BS” either.

        • dickNcider, BTWm I just finished the article you posted the link for. The African virus can take that and stuff it. I don’t need fed approval for anything.

          • You, I, and many people in this country are not going to abide by such nonsense if something like this gets passed.
            These people are playing a lot of childish games, but these games they are playing are also very dangerous.
            This Authoritarian style of governance System needs a forced shutdown, Hard Re-Boot, and Re-programmed to a style of governance that we all can embrace.

      19. Well according to the gun grabbers thinking, there should be several armed robberies, murders and home invasions. at my house every week.
        I will tell you this my guns have killed less people than Ted Kennedys car or the Clintons white house jobs.
        They have stop one intruder. and one guy steeling gas out of my car. One rabies sick dog and two skunks. Plus put meat on my table and several other peoples table.
        S.T.S.F.P. N. REB

        • Stealin gas guy got a broken leg when he met my aluminum ball bat. 🙂
          The sheriff deputy laughed at the guy when he complained that the ambulance was 30min. away .

          • HAMMERHEAD:
            Yeah the guy stealing gas was sucking on the hose when I stuck the mod.28 S&W against the back of his head and cocked it. He puked and gags for 20 minutes, I guess gas is very hard on the stomach. I did not turn him over to the sheriff. I called his father and let him kick his young butt. Plus I did not cut, back then, my 3/4 of an acre yard all that summer. It was cut by hand no rider all by hand with a 20 inch deck mower!;-{.
            S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

            • By the way there was not a round under the hammer or in the gun. Gas is not worth shooting someone over. But in the mod. 59 S&W in my back pocket I can’t say that.

            • I hadda call the law because the crackhead needed an ambulance , he wasnt goin anywhere . LOL

              I drank plenty of gas while siphoning, it makes for some really rare farts . OHH

              • Hammerhead:
                ROTFL!!! RARE FARTS!!!! NOW THAT GAS!!!!!

        • NR, none of my ‘ventilation team’ have taken any lives, but the day is coming when they will be FORCED into that role. I’m dreading it, but I won’t shrink from it.

          • If you choose not to defend you family and home the only other option is
            to curl up in a fetal position and make childlike moaning noises…

            I killed two copperheads last night in the front yard. I guess I could have
            let ’em move in and put up the guns but…….nah!!!!!
            (liberals are like rattle snakes without the rattles)

        • I know it needs to be done and probably doing em a favor but always feel bad putting rabid animals down.I realise no hope for em cure wise and probably in pain but still….feel bad.Now,folks who act rabid and want to murder/rape ect.,eh,while not looking forward to it as would rather didn’t happen doubt I will feel anywhere near as bad(or bad at all).

      20. Brave heart your home has been invaded before. I never have but if I had I sure as hell would keep the magnum next to the bed. If criminals are always gonna get guns then good folks have to have them or crime would spike it’s just how it all works. I don’t care what any Harvard professor says. Just because some college group does a study doesn’t mean they should decide what’s right for all of us. I’ve met some morons with degrees. People need to use sound judgement if your gonna have a gun and it’s gonna be unattended then it needs to be locked up. If people cannot handle guns proper don’t get one or get training. Do the rest of us a favor with this. Let’s not give the grabbers anymore ammo.

      21. They can wrap their minds around this,will not give up my firearms without a violent fight,along with all other preps,really simple,wonder how they can’t wrap their minds around it!

      22. the anti-2nd amendment types need to stand proud and loud

        they should all post signs in their yards reading

        “GUN FREE ZONE”

        let’s see what that gets them !

        • Satori:
          Some idiot did that, he put one of those signs in his yard and two or three days later he got robed by some guy with knife. A couple days later his house was robed again. Needless to say that sign is now gone. DUh!!! him not to smart is him!!!!
          S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

          • NR, I’m not surprised. Being anti-gun is being retarded.

      23. Good article.

        Liberals and progressives also do the same thing when they talk about gun suicides. As soon as you bring up the fact that Japan has a much higher suicide rate than the US, even with their total ban on civilian guns. They usually just attack guns from another angle. In Japan the lack of guns doesn’t slow suicide, it just encourages alternate methods.

        There is certainly even a tendency among second amendment supporters when they see the statistic that six in ten gun deaths in the US are suicides to think you could somehow protect people from themselves, by compromising the second amendment. In the US people commit suicide with guns out of convenience.

        Gun owners should be aware that suicidal teens and relatives may choose your gun as their method of choice as a way to direct anger and revenge at you or those you love. Firearms should not be available to anyone of questionable stability, but don’t stop there as they will just seek an alternate method. Denying access to a gun won’t stop suicides, it may at most delay them.

      24. Forget guns Isis is cutting heads off. You don’t need a gun to kill someone. It’s just easier with one. People who murder for any reason other than self defense are evil plain and simple the gov don’t wanna ban evil though. Go after the real causes of the problems. I personally don’t feel the need for the gov to protect me. I feel it’s my job to do this myself and guns are the tool to do this job. Basically if guns are outlawed you have lost your right to self defense so if you find yourself defending yourself from a violent attacker with even your fists you will be a violent criminal yourself. This makes no sense it human instinct to defend yourself. To let an attacker hurt you bad or kill you and hope the police come to your aid is the most idiotic theory of defense I’ve ever heard. Gun control is irrational but still when someone is murdered senselessly they push this crap more. If they were thinking properly they would say everyone needs to be armed because we cannot protect you. They can put up all the legislation they want some things have to be handled on a personal level.

      25. Mac,

        Please consider running Hodges’ article here about the Russians that he posted about a week ago, and how they plan to invade our country. Or at least his article about how they are putting up guard towers at schools and strip malls here and in the UK so they can be turned into FEMA camps.

        Thank you.

        – the Lone Ranger

      26. P.A. Senator (aka two face) Pat Toomey that everybody went too bat for, Shortly after being elected went after gun control and failed, well he’s fanning the coal’s again for Obummers gun control. There was an article on Drudge I think, maybe K- mom can find it. I received an email yesterday about it also. Anybody wanta call the slime-ball heres the number 202-224-4254.

      27. anti-preppers can’t wrap their minds around much either it seems

        Be prepared for Preppers

        ht tp://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/whistler/be-prepared-for-preppers/Content?oid=2657786

        I gotta give the guy some credit
        he packed a whole lot of stupid in one short article

        but it is a good example of the prevailing mindset out there

      28. The following was written by a good friend this past Sunday.

        In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control: From 1929 to 1953,
        about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
        up and exterminated.
        In 1911, Turkey established gun control: From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
        Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        Germany established gun control in 1938: From 1939 to 1945, a total of
        13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
        rounded up and exterminated.
        China established gun control in 1935: From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political
        dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        Guatemala established gun control in 1964: From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan
        Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        Uganda established gun control in 1970: From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians,
        unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        Cambodia established gun control in 1956: From 1975 to 1977, one million
        educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control
        You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating
        this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and,
        yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
        With guns, we are ‘citizens’; without them, we are ‘subjects’ During WW II, the
        Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were
        Gun owners in the USA are the largest armed forces in the world.
        If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun-control message to
        ALL of your friends.
        The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense.
        The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more than either.
        I’m a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please share this. If
        you’re not a believer, please reconsider the true facts. This is history; not the BS
        that’s being shown on TV, sanctioned by our illustrious delusional leaders in Washington.

      29. OK, here’s how to settle the argument once and for all. ALL of the gun control freakazoids need to put their money where their mouth is right now, and place a large sign that can be read from the street on their front door or in their front yard, with big red letters, proclaiming to the whole wide world that they live in a gun-free home!! If guns are so bad and cause so much crime, then by them not having any guns in their home the crime rate there will go down, not up, right?? With their home being a gun-free zone, no criminals will ever bring one there, correct? And if they won’t put up such a sign, then they just need to sit down and shut the eff up.


      30. I think it is a complete waste of time to spend hours and hours debating this issue of whether guns cause more crime or whether guns help law abiding citizens defend themselves from street criminals.

        The argument needs to be that the Second Amendment to the Constitution was put there to give American citizens the ability to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. That necessity is not ever going to disappear, and judging by the criminality and blatant abuse of power we have seen since the Communist Mulatto arrived to the White House – now, more than ever before, do Americans need weapons to defend themselves against what this out of control, power mad, dangerous Marxist dictator intends to do to us.

        Crime stats are a distraction. Keep our eye on the most important aspect of the Second Amendment.

        • A shotgun, a rifle and a .44 mag.

          A large number of caches with ammo for each.

          Have a collapsible cart with bicycle wheels (puncture proof, solid)

          40 pounds of the good stuff.

          Burn the rest.

      31. The grouping of crime by state is itself a flawed method of correlating guns to crime. A good example of this is Louisiana which is both a high crime and high gun ownership state. The part that’s being ignored is that the overwhelming majority of crime in that state come from 3 major cities with massive welfare/single parent households controlled by progressives. A better and much more accurate crime correlation would be the relation of two parent households to crime of all stripes.

      32. It’s amusing to watch gun owners face the same false attacks that parents who chosen not vaccinate their kids have faced. All too perfect, the formula for removing rights is identical, must be successful..time to take it down

      33. I pray that your god given right to shoot someone is never infringed Mr. Krouse.

      34. How about a study on correlation of the american’s sociopathic obsession with firearms, and the violent nature of it’s society… based on the unprecedented level of social violence, and the $Trillion per year perpetual war machine the population celebrates.

        Exceptional indeed.

      35. Does anyone have a good reference on use of guns for self defense? The 1.5 million figure seems much too high. I saw one statistic which approached 50,000 but would like to find an unimpeachable source.

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