Churches Are Now Using Facial Recognition to Increase Attendance and Donations

by | Jun 25, 2015 | Conspiracy Fact and Theory | 83 comments

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    Nowadays, we all take it for granted that any time you step out your front door, there’s a good chance that your picture is going to be taken at some point. It could be a visit to a convenience store, a passing police car, and now with drones, lounging on your front porch is liable to be subject to surveillance. But it’s not just the act of documenting your movements that can be creepy, it’s also type of surveillance that can be disturbing.

    This is especially true for facial recognition technology, which can identify your facial features and cross-reference them with a database. You can expect this technology to become ubiquitous in the years ahead for its ability to catch criminals and increase profits for retail outlets. But while we’re on the subject, it won’t just be retail establishments using your face to blare “Minority Report” style ads in your face as you walk by. Apparently, churches with large congregations are starting to embrace facial recognition as well.

    Moshe Greenshpan, the CEO of Israel- and Las Vegas-based facial recognition software company Face-Six, says there are 30 churches around the world using his Churchix technology. He launched the service just four months ago and says churches are already using it to scan congregants’ earthly visages to keep track of attendance at events in order to know who wasn’t there so they can check up on them, or who attends most frequently so they can ask those people for donations. He declined to name any of the churches using the technology citing the controversy around facial recognition. I asked him if any of the churches are based in Texas or Illinois, the only two U.S. states that have laws on the books about getting permission to collect peoples’ faceprints. “I prefer not to say,” said Greenshpan…

    …Greenshpan said the churches just have to upload one high-quality photo of a congregant to start scanning video or photos from gatherings to see if they were there. I asked him if the churches let people know they’re using the technology. “I don’t think churches tell people,” he said. “We encourage them to do so but I don’t think they do.”

    That’s exactly the fear that privacy advocates have about the increasing roll-out of this technology: people’s faces are being put in databases and used to track them without any knowledge that it’s happening. Greenshpan argues that churches were already keeping track of who attended their events, but that his technology just makes it more efficient for medium-sized and mega-churches.

    If that’s not sick, I don’t know what is. I know churches need money just like every other organization, but these are megachurches. Maybe I’m out of line here, but do they really need more money? Some of them rake in millions every year. They sound more like businesses than non-profits. The author of the article was skeptical of the notion that there may be churches secretly using this technology in states where doing so illegal, but I wouldn’t put it past them.

    But what’s more creepy than using this to increase donations, is the fact that they’re using it to keep tabs on people who don’t show up, so they can “check up on them.” It sounds like they’re using this technology to foster a cult-like atmosphere.

    We’re entering an age where secretive and intrusive surveillance will no longer be limited to governments. Corporations are already in this game, and now non-profits are starting to use this to reach their bottom line. In a sense, the all-encompassing surveillance regime that we’ve been warned about for years, is no longer on the horizon. It looks like it has finally arrived in full.

    Contributed by Joshua Krause of The Daily Sheeple.

    Joshua Krause is a reporter, writer and researcher at The Daily Sheeple. He was born and raised in the Bay Area and is a freelance writer and author. You can follow Joshua’s reports at Facebook. Joshua’s website is Strange Danger .


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      1. Total identification of everyone in every place so we can have total control.

        • Hi everybody! Just in case you missed this last time, my name is Natty Kleen and I have a big problem, well, I have lots of problems but we’ll just have to take them one at a time. You see, I like to make replies to peoples comments here at, but the truth is I’m afraid to post when there’s a chance people haven’t gone to sleep for the night, so I have to wait from midnight to 6.00 Am before I post. You see, it’s like this, if I don’t like you, I will go off on you like the little girl that I am, hurling my infantile tirades and name calling because I can’t ever be a man, I usually wait for 2/3 days to pass before posting so I’ll know there’s a good chance my targets won’t go back and read my little hissy fits. I simply don’t have the balls to post to you if there’s a chance you’ll be around to post back, in fact, Kaitlin Jenner has more balls than I ever will. When you add in the fact I’m a 31 year old virgin, well, you get the picture, so please, please have pity on me, it’s all I have left to look forward to in what’s left of my miserable life.

          • Churches and Religion is the largest and oldest fraud on the planet. Duping sroopid sheep out of their wealth daily. Like you are somehow going to get into some make believe place called heaven by dropping your money on a plate. If God was so smart and great he would make his own money. Instead he rips off the weakest most gullible and dumbest sheep in our society. Oh i thought God sees everything? He now needs cameras to know which sroopid sheep show up to drop off their savings in the plate on Sunday. Nice ponsi pyramid scheme.

          • I want to know why this faggot here is allowed to make his troll posts, but my posts have been kicked back into moderation for some reason?

            Mac, why do you allow this troll to post freely on your board?

            • Here it comes now from mr virgin ssshole himself, Maaaaaaaaaaac, he’s pickin on me, make him stop neeeeeeeeoooooooowwwww!

        • Churches have some good in them– at least they teach you to “be good”… bus mostly, they just use people– knowingly or unknowingly. They are just like the government; “Obey me!” while they suck in your money.

          We need to try our best to communicate with the Source from which we came but Churches (mostly) suck. Better to have NO government and NO Church and take care of our OWN needs– We don’t need no middle man!! THEY JUST RIP YOU OFF!

          • Anon, this is just on more reason for me to stay out of churches. I’ve been avoiding them since the 70s and not missing them. Their message is almost exactly like the MSM’s message.

            • B’heart, etc: Home church with family, several friends or go online and listen to sermons of your choice at No need to leave the house and put up with this fiasco mentioned in article. Also smaller churches have control freaks in them running stuff. I know from experience. I get protestant reformed study materials thru the mail or online.

              • What those churches don’t think about, as they think they’re only using the data for their own purposes is—-If they build a database, the govt will take it from them eventually. for the govt’s own purpose. The stupid churches are just doing the leg work for the govt, that’s all.


          As usual, while everyone was distracted by this completely insignificant shooting and confederate flag debate,


          Which will be THE END OF THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT.

          This is by far the most important issue right now.

          I would vote for fucking Bernie Sanders. He may be a socialist, but you can believe he fucking hates free trade and outsourcing our jobs, and he does seem to be against the globalists, at least for now.

          • Behold, the stupid sodomite named acid!

        • Behold! The Whore of Babylon.

          • “If that’s not sick, I don’t know what is. I know churches need money just like every other organization, but these are megachurches. Maybe I’m out of line here, but do they really need more money? Some of them rake in millions every year. They sound more like businesses than non-profits.”

            If it were only about member attendance and money its a problem. But churches, like businesses and retail locations, have a responsibility to protect their members, employees, customers, and visitors. If not they will be subject to lawsuits with mega awards for the violence that occurs on their organization’s property.

            Facial recognition software might/could detect and identify dangerous strangers too. If you were a Pastor would you want your sheep to be a safe as is reasonably possible? Mega churches where not everyone knows everyone else would be the most vulnerable.

            The reality is this: we are not in Kansas anymore, but we are in Dodge. 🙁

        • That does it I’m taking my bible and going home.

        • Well, my face won’t be recognized as I don’t go to church and I don’t donate. I sit back and watch what the church has done to itself. It’s doesn’t fight back, it doesn’t push back, it just lays down and takes it in the shorts.

      2. If you don’t think the God isn’t going to let some other nation or nations or maybe even Himself kick our Butts in the next few years you are in dream land.

        This nation is getting to the point of Sodom and Gomorrah. When the Supreme Court passes the gay right marriage that is when God is going to turn His back on the USA.

        This thing about churches collecting money is crap!!!! Yes they need money to keep up their buildings and taking care of people. The problem is they use it to make the clergy rich.

        If Jesus can get pissed and kick the crap out of the money changes. Just think what God can to us.

        Maybe we do need a Civil war and or to put the USA back to what our Founding Father had in mind.

        I’ve got my Confederate Battle Flag up. Do you?

        • I can’t say I’ve got God’s ear but I do believe we fell out of favor long ago. I don’t have a confederate flag but I got a sign at the end of the lane that warns folks that the entrance of the lane has been “ranged”.

          • Good idea POP!

        • Sgt,
          A big thumbs up to you!

        • You said that right, sarge.

          The majority of modern christian churches have divided themselves into three categories.

          They follow a non-biblical, pre-trib rapture doctrine.

          They follow a non-biblical acceptance of abortion and gay marriage, and /or, acceptance of homosexuality as a way of life.

          They follow a non-biblical, pro-liberal/democrat agenda/voting pattern. I’m not saying a pro republican vote will change anything, just that republicans are mostly pro-God/Christian as their platform.

          Some churches follow all three of the categories above. Some church “people”,just follow parts of the above doctrines.

          Even though a person’s liberal vote may not send them to hell, it sure isn’t helping matters none, and they will have to answer for it; either in this life or the next.

          On the topic of the article; any church or business that does such foolishness as “tracking” through any means, should be boycotted and actually charged with a crime.
          Tracking purchases through means that have been agreed to by the consumer is a different matter, such as discount scanning cards.

          A so-called Church, that keeps tabs on it’s members, is not even a House of God, worship place. It is a money racket.

          Now, on where we stand today. My believe is right on with many like PO’d Patriot…. we fell out of favor with God, “as a nation”, long ago.
          We are on the precipice of the cliff, of which there is only one way out. When we allowed an evil gov and scotus, to mandate that all Americans accept a Sodom and Gaymorrah form of society, we took that leap.

          As the moral majority stood by, and let it happen, then the moral majority will also take the fall. Sorry folks, but that is how it works. If a person has the means, my suggestion is, relocate south of the border, and on a high piece of ground. The seas will be reeling with wicked waves ( hundred footers) in the near future.

          It soon begins, and I have a little work on it that helps folks understand what homosexuality is really all about. I am just about finished, and will share it, soon.


          • I’ll take you a little deeper PIWTW,

            All churches are apostate and wrong in the highest degree. They all follow a satanic designed scheme from the mother apostate church of rome. The road is narrow and FEW find it….think about that. There are three parties at the end, those in the wedding party and those in the pews and those not allowed in. They have thrown out His commands and the Law. They have added in mans doctrine for the last 1700-1800 years. The trinity is not scriptural, it is satans scheme that mimics pagan religions of old, read 1John. Y’shua nailed to the cross the law of sin adn death, NOT Yahovah’s Law or the commands. Y’shua took care of the law of adultery on the cross, not Yahovah’s righteous commands and Law. The church (ROME/Greek) since shortly after the Son ascended to the Father and hasatan has duped the majority masses ever since.

          • The issue of homosexuality will soon be a shibboleth that divides Christians from quasi-“Christians.” This is not to say we shouldn’t be compassionate, or that they are not made in the image or God – we should and they are. However, the radical homosexuals are the Nazi Brownshirts of the left (including conducting judicial Kristallnachts on that baker in Oregon and florist Barronnelle Stutzman in WA. (along with sending baker Jack Philips in CO. to a re-education camp, and threatening to burn down or conduct other mayhem on Memories Pizza in Walkerton, Indiana – here’s one gay sturm trooper on Twitter:”, Nazi Brownshirt gay sturm trooper types: “Who’s going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me?” Yeah, same people that whine about “H8TE” right?).

            Lesbian advocate Paula Ettelbrick proclaimed that, “transforming the very fabric of society… [and] radically reordering society’s view of reality” is the goal of the homosexual movement. THAT is what the game is all about. Or as Hitler told Martin Niemoller, “you just stay inside your churches – **I** will take care of Germany. (Point is, Adolf and you leftists, as Irwin Lutzer has pointed out, when God “dies” in a culture, man becomes a beast. Proof? Freaking one hundred MILLION were murdered by atheistic groups last century… and I am not including abortions, or Kermit Gosnell style partial birth abortions.

            Most of the Jim Wallis churches long ago abandoned historic, orthodox Christianity. As noted, about a decade ago, the head of the United Church of Canada *explictly* denied every major Christian article of faith you can think of. No surprise there. They also more recently added Mohammed to their list of “prophets” (no word if Che, Marx – either Karl or Groucho… maybe both, or Pol Pot will be added next….)

        • Sarge, I confess I do have some Confederate paraphernalia, Including a couple of flags, stashed away, but that could change soon. On clergy using churches and so forth to enrich themselves, that’s another reason I’ve stayed away from them since the 70s. I still remember the scandals involving megachurch clergy back in the 8os. How many people here remember Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker with their PTL [Praise The Lord] Ministries? Man, talk about one ugly couple [especially Tammy Faye with those false eyelashes]. Remember the “air-conditioned dog house”? That one really took the cake and the whole damn bakery with it! I doubt if any there’s any REAL churches left.

      3. Certainly, the liberal churches will buy into it. They buy into **anything**. A decade ago the moderator of the United Church of Canada, the largest Protestant denomination in the country, denied all ten of the basic doctrines of the Christian faith in an interview, and after they officially approved Mohammed (!!) as an official prophet in the United Church. At this site, another United Church minister calls herself an atheist. Not too long ago, the famous author and theologian Jim Packer was kicked out of St. John Shaunessy Anglican in Vancouver (where I used to go) for having the temerity to question the ex cathera pronouncements of the gay inquisitors.

        The truth is, as Dr. Ravi Zacharias says, if you change the spiritual understandings of a culture, you can change *everythng.* Breitbart said politics is downstream from culture (which is informed by religion). And by religion, I mean anything that tells us where we came from, why we are here, and we are going. And by that definition, secular humanism is a religion (which several courts have recognized as well).

        Problem is this: It was Adams (I think) who talked about “facts being stubborn things.” Scripture says what is says – or as Mark Twain once put it, “I’m not so bothered by the things I DONT understand in the Bible as the thngs I ***do*** understand.” Many have been co-opted (particularly by the radical homosexual movement) in the culture and the church by various politically correct movements. But they are going to find a MASS of people who will NOT ever be co-opted. As the old saying might go, “We’re here, we’re NOT queer, and we are never, EVER going away. Get used to it.”

        One more point. Voltaire (and many others), have confidently assured us the church would be dead 100 years hence from writing. Something IS, in fact dead… but it ain’t the church. This whole “will be dead” thing started 2,000 years ago. They weren’t successful then, either.

      4. Speaking of total control, SOTUS denied the ObunglerUnCare challenge today, 6 – 3

        As a dual US/Canadian citizen, the US side is in for a very, very, VERY rude awakening. I’ve lived half my life under socialized medicine, and Americans are in for a massive wake up call. And apropos of the article here, healthcare is not only a massive financial plum to be picked (along with energy, which is why the left is all over the utter scam of BIG GREEN MONEY global warming), but part of the control grid.

        Very sad day for America with this ruling.

        • YES !
          Big green money , its more of the socialist Agenda21 scam moving forward .
          This ruling proves that the SCOTUS is an activist bench and will not be bothered with the constitution.

          Anyone from Quebec would know that! LOL

        • I read a comment in article that said that the ruling on the ACA was “very good for the health insurance market.” Couldn’t believe what I read so I read it again. (Wish I could find that article again to share the exact full quote.) Yep, it’s all for the insurance companies and too bad for the consumer.

          I have health insurance through my workplace. When the ACA was about to be passed, I downloaded a copy and started reading through it. Too many pages so that task wasn’t completed. However, I did discover that we would all eventually fall under its plan no matter the promises given by the prez. I told people who thought ACA was a good idea and they didn’t believe they would be affected. Surprise, surprise. When we received the “new” plans for the year ACA kicked in for businesses, they were shocked at how much it would cost and that there is no real choice in plans aside from how much per month you choose to pay. The deductible being paid upfront is another unpleasantness.

          Now this new definition of state. sheesh…

          Yep, as this onion is being peeled, it’s making us cry more and more.

        • You are spot on…my little girl has a rare disease (Hirschsprungs Disease) and I am involved with some online groups consisting of parents of Hirschsprungs children all over the world. It is heartbreaking what these kids go through in a socialized medical care system. I am horrified by all the silly loops and hurdles for some basic care that not only saves their lives but can improve their life so much, that they live a totally normal one.

          Many of these parents, save up their money and come to the U.S. to get real care for their child.

          I am so disgusted with our country. These idiots have no idea what they are doing. The low info voter is by and large the greater part of our population and they want all the free s*it. Middle class are just as ignorant. They all want to give the ‘poor’ free everything…but it is going to be a shocking, deadly realization they have when they cannot get decent health care either.Trying to make it all free for everyone will result in bad health care for ALL.

          I’m not even going to start in on the mega-church shinanigans or the Supreme Court decision for homosexual marriage. It will just ruin an already very crappy week.

          If you don’t have an alternative health care practitioner, you might want to find some now whilst you have time. Get in and get all the little health issues handled before you will wait years and die in that wait.

          We are taking our daughter into her surgeon to get a perfect bill of health as well as finishing up all her blood work for food intolerances, etc.

      5. WE were once a Christian nation that became the leader and the beacon of light to the entire world as a result.

        Then we turned our backs on God, thinking we knew better in these modern times, and lost that position with all sorts of other nations and beliefs taking our place( Think Russia, China, Islam, etc.). We still retained a vestige of our glory but have now consumed that as a sacrifice on the altar of humanism that exalts man over God,

        Now we have taken the final step in our degeneration, actually setting ourselves against God and his law to the extent of outlawing it.

        Our bowl is full, the church has embraced false teaching, the harvest is ready and the separation of the wheat from the tares is beginning to take place. It is not going to be a pleasant process, not pleasant at all, but a Christian need not worry about it -its final outcome- no matter how bad it gets.

      6. “I wish I were in the land of cotton, old times there are not forgotten”.

        After out Pastor of 25 years made off with the fund for a new building, we stopped going to Church, and worship at home. Ever try to get off the mailing list of a ministry? DAM NEAR IMPOSSIABLE!

        “American by birth, Southern/Christian by the Grace of God”.

        • “American by birth, Northern and Spiritually inclined(Truth Seeker) by the Grace of God”.

          • Follower of The Way (Netzarim)by the glorious love & grace of my Elohim; Yahovah, American huMAN being by birth.

        • We need more George Muellers today. He cared for THOUSANDS of orphans in Victorian England…. making his needs known to God alone. Easy guy to look up/google, authored several books, has several autobiographies on him. Very encouraging reading.

          • Yesterday my husband and I were talking over lunch. He said something that was profound and I am still thinking about it today…The Church is to blame for this, by trying to be relevant it has become irrelevant.

            As we raise our children and see so many parents ‘lowering the bar’ we have held it high. Well, I held it high, my husband didn’t and has learned some hard and painful lessons. He was always our childrens ‘friends’ and only after it backfired, it a terrible way has he come to see the foolishness of his decisions. His parents did the same thing in raising him and so he just followed in their footsteps. Thankfully he has changed direction and we are a much better team.

            But boy has it become crystal clear to him how wrong it was and is. One reason we are so committed to the historic churches.

      7. Church as we grew up on over. Stick a fork in them. You think attendance is poor now? Give it a year and watch where it goes. From a socialist Pope to the transgender and gay clergy, everything is up for sale now. No foundation stands. Any/everything goes and laws are no longer read by TPTB, they are interpreted to be whatever they need to be. We truly are in the death throws of the USA. Good luck to all.

        • Big Fat John (Sung to the tune of “Big John”)

          Every mornin’ at the church you’d see him arrive
          He stood five foot six and weighed three forty five
          Kinda’ round at the jowls and broad at the hips
          But everybody knew The Lord was on the lips – of Big John
          Big John… Big John… Big Fat John

          Nobody seemed to know where John came from
          He just tumbled like a weed into San Anton…
          He couldn’t talk enough and he wasn’t shy
          He’d just reach for your wallet and then say “bye” – Big John

          Somebody said he came down from high above
          Where he saw the light – flashing, “Mammon is love.”
          And a crashin’ blow from God’s right hand
          Knocked another gabby preacher into TV Land – Big John
          Big John… Big John… Big Fat John

          Then came the day when John went live!
          And a camera lens cracked from the force of his jive
          Sinners were prayin’ hard and their hearts beat fast
          And everybody worried that they’d breathed their last, ‘cept John

          Through their screams and their wails walked the man from hell
          A local televangelist they all knew well
          He grabbed a saggin’ sinner and gave out with a groan
          And that human cannonball thought, “I’ll give ‘em a show!” – Big John
          Big John… Big John… Big Fat John

          And with all of his strength he gave a mighty shove
          And the sinner yelled out, “There’s a light from above!”
          Then a thousand folks scrambled at the altar call
          And when he shouted, “Zion!” they began to fall – for Big John

          With bags of money, some Jews soon appeared
          And they said, “Big John, we like what we hear!”
          And so, the mantra “Israel” soon was heard
          Hard on the heels of every other word of Big John
          Big John.. Big John… Big Fat John

          Now he’s just a walkin’ bag of of s***
          Suckin’ like a starving babe on Israel’s poison tit
          Denyin’ Christ and servin’ mammon….

          Make way below for a big… fat… man – Big John

          This is from the Leader of “AmeriKas bestest allies and friends in mid east region aka israel state!”

          With allies and friends like Israel/netanyahoo…Who needs any Enemys eh?!

          From Netanyahu’s infamous “Fink’s Bar diatribe” of 1990:
          “If we get caught they will just replace us with persons of the same cloth. So it does not matter what you do, America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it is the will of God and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again and again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.” (Credit to the Defense Intelligence Agency of the United States Department of Defense)

      8. According to Pastor Greg Laurie, the Bible offers 500 verses on prayer, fewer than 500 verses on faith, and more than 2,000 verses on money. In fact, 15 percent of everything Jesus ever taught was on the topic of money and possessions.

        I guess the cynical will make of that what they will. But the point is, what you do with your money is perhaps the truest indicator of where you are at with almost **everything.**

        The debate on tithing will go for a long time; however, for us it is a good placemark. And when you are not independently wealthy, as we are not, giving money does a lot of things – good things – not only for the recipient, but for the giver. This all presupposes, of course (and I’m sure posters here will hasten to add), that giving is done AFTER teaching a man to fish, not giving him a fish. If you reverse that, giving is often counterproductive. The goal is to truly help, not enable. How to distinguish? That, mon ami, is YOUR challenge, and also part of the giving equation.

        • “that giving is done AFTER teaching a man to fish, not giving him a fish. If you reverse that, giving is often counterproductive. The goal is to truly help, not enable. ”

          Often debated subject at the food pantry.
          Some come in as opportunists and others are genuinely in need of help .
          We will always have takers and givers , life goes on……

        • Greg Laurie. HA. Once my pastor, loooong ago and yet he never even knew my name. Why? MEGA CHURCH. I have a friend who is a long time ‘member’ (if you will as there really is no membership there, hence no accountability). But she is so IN LOVE with that guy it is kinda sickening. The poor woman nearly had heart failure that we kneel when we pray at church (imagine KNEELING during prayer). It was as though we were devices of the devil.

          BTW, have you seen Harvest anytime recently? I was disappointed to find they now have a MEGA bookstore, food/deli shop, coffee shop all right there on the church property. Kinda reminds me of them money changers….well, not kinda.

      9. These business greedholes, including churches can’t extract enough money from the foolish. Their tax exempt status is a joke and should be revoked. The churches spew political speech like a waterfall. I’m not against people congregating with their faithful believers, yet it seems the event is about hate speech and working the crowd for contributions. People know the difference between right and wrong and there is no preacher, or whatever they call themselves, that can influence those base feelings. Do people care that they are being spied upon? Not that I can tell. At this point any glimpse of any pushback is elusive.

        • Aljamo, uh, last time I checked churches were supposed to stay out of politics or at least NOT endorse any candidates for any political office or they lose that 501c3 status. Look it up. At last count there were 30 rules published by the IRS concerning churches staying out of politics to keep that 501c3 status. Black churches violate it all the time and get away with it, BECAUSE THEY’RE BLACK AND GET SPECIAL TREATMENT FROM THE FEDGOV. Not one black church has ever lost their 501c3 status for touching on politics or endorsing a candidate for political office.

      10. These business greedholes, including churches can’t extract enough money from the foolish. Their tax exempt status is a joke and should be revoked. The churches spew political speech like a waterfall. I’m not against people congregating with their faithful believers, yet it seems the event is about hate speech and working the crowd for contributions. People know the difference between right and wrong and there is no preacher, or whatever they call themselves, that can influence those base feelings. Do people care that they are being spied upon? Not that I can tell. At this point any glimpse of any pushback is elusive.

        • @Aljamo

          O.K., we heard you the first time! (joking)

          So ya’ll watch out fur them hogs now, ya hear?

      11. Take one of those off. I got the message “unable to connect to the network at this moment” every time I hit submit.

      12. I will never forget what this dear, wise little lady told me when I was a young girl of 16.

        I had been trying to convince her to join my church because I had such wonderful experiences, my whole life changed for the better after I was baptized and started going to that church.

        She said that someday I would realize that its not the church, but your relationship with God that is important. And when I grew up I realized that she was absolutely right!

        • She’s right. Your body is the Temple of God, where His Spirit resides. No building can compete with that.

      13. Could be the surveillance is soon to be government-mandated to maintain a 501(c)(3) status?

        In light of recent church shootings, I’m sure the churches appreciate Uncle Sam’s “checking up” on THEM!

        Of course, there’s the whole, “We want to know with whom and where you are, as well as what you say and how you behave.” megalomaniac psychopathic types to appease.

      14. The purposes mentioned do sound a bit sinister, but I can think of a far better reason to know who attends services. When someone is missing for more than one service, they might appreciate being missed, especially if they are ill or have other needs and should be supported by their church fellowship. In many cases, those who are connected to smaller groups in large churches do receive such support, but some who are shy or incapacitated would then have their needs discovered and receive help.

        • The problem is, you KNOW the Israelis have a back door into this software and they are cataloging information. Was just reading through revelation last night, where Jesus speaks of the fake Jews. How do we know who gets that information? And the Israelis have sold American developed technology to the Chinese in the past. They are whores for money. I don’t dislike Jews but the state of Israel I don’t trust.

      15. Now I realize that I’m just another grey hair old fart that doesn’t know when his bowls move, that doesn’t have a higher education level higher than 12th grade ( plus 2yr of votech ), but in 60 plus yrs of living , I have come to the conculsion that religon in general is nothing more than a scam, plain and simple. First of all, as the old telephone commerical went, ” why use a phone operator for long distance when you can dial direct”, so if that is the case, why use a priest or preacher or whatever when I pray direct.Do I believe in God, yes I do, but I don’t believe a preacher or whatever they call themselves need a $68 million airplane to spread the word or live a life of luxuey or any of the other bulls–t that they are putting out.

        • “.Do I believe in God, yes I do, but I don’t believe a preacher ”

          One of my best employees (carpenter) , is a local preacher , hes 29 yrs old.
          I think he makes about $8000.00 a year at his little church , while operating a food pantry , funerals, counseling folks etc. on top of sunday service.
          They havent even computerized bookkeeping !

          I have never seen a mega church except on TV , and it boggles my mind to think that these preachers can be paid so much money.
          All this surveilance crap must be the exception and not the rule .

        • Al, welcome aboard and spot on remarks. I’m an old fart at 58 myself. It’s sad but true that too many people use religion as a scam to enrich themselves. I also call BS on their scams. Take care.

          • Old fart? Speak for yourself. 50 is the new 30 my man.

            • HAHAHAHA – Absolutely !
              Not as good as i once was , but i’m as good ONCE as i ever was .

      16. Yep… and re. your “Of course, there’s the whole, “We want to know with whom and where you are, as well as what you say and how you behave.” megalomaniac psychopathic types to appease” the fascist left STILL has not answered the question posed by Roman satirist Juvenal 2000 yrs ago, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who will watch the guards, or more colloquially, who controls the controllers).

        Oh wait! Silly me! That will be Hillary, her cronies and her bankster buddies.

        As the last line of 1984 ended, “… and he loved Big Brother.” Not on my watch.

        • TEST, the only person I’ve ever appeased has been my wife and she’s dead now. The nanny state types can kiss my a$$.

      17. I don’t have a problem with it as I long as I trust the church that’s using it. In a small church it’s easy to recognise new people and it’s easy to know when a regular attender stops showing up. Someone can call them and make sure everything is all right. In a big church it’s easy for people to get lost. Nobody knows you’re there and when you leave nobody knows you left. Software that would track unique visitors and attenders would be very helpful. Ultimately you can do a better job serving the people who attend the church.

        • another useful idiot

        • The trouble is that government will eventually access it. If a surveillance camera exists, they want access. They’re already scanning church services that are posted online to see if the preachers say anything they don’t like.

          • Amen!

      18. Picture Samson today with a minigun. A lot more efficient than the jawbone of an ass. The Living God is a personal God. Jesus taught us to pray to God and how to give him glory. There is no filters between God and us. No need for preachers or priests. John 3.16 tells you what you need to know and where to go from there. What about Jesus? Well he said if you have the Father, you have the Son and vice versa. If you love God, you are just as protected as Daniel in the den. He was not greater than you or or more loved by the Lord. We turn from his grace and love through sin. Remove the sin and give Glory to God and you are untouchable. Have faith and be ready for your role in God’s plan. Maybe it’s a gunfight, maybe helping people prepare their storage and SHTF preps… probably both. Keep watching. More people are counting on us than we know.

      19. We keep up with each other at my church because we all know each other. And at least half of the members are kin to each other, more or less distantly. If I miss Sunday school, the teacher will call sometimes to see if I’m doing okay. A lot of our members are older and need to be checked on sometimes.

        But we don’t need spy cameras.

      20. I have a question and didn’t know where else to post it. What have you guys or gals bee paying to have an artesian well put in? We are getting ready for that step and wanted an idea of cost.

        • An artesian well is a self flowing well without a pump.
          First you need an aquifer under pressure .
          A water well here in michigan is between 4000 and 6000 depending on depth .

        • There are videos on youtube that show how to put in a regular well using PVC pipe and a water hose from another water source. You can also buy a drill point, pipes, joints, a cap, and a drop weight with handles to drill your own well. I have that equipment so I can drill my own.

          Then you need a pump.

          If you live in hilly country, you might have an artesian source on your property. If so, it’s under pressure, so you don’t need a pump. You just need to tap into it and pipe it to your house. The house my great-grandfather built near Roxboro, NC has an artesian well. It supplies the kitchen sink as well as the bathroom.

          • There are also videos on you tube on how to make a hand pump using pvc pipe and a couple of check valves. They are really simple to make and not expensive plus they work really well and can be used in wells that are quite deep.

          • Yes, I have seen a couple videos on how to do the artesian well, and we have the flowing water at several points on our property, but was advised if we tap it wrong it will hide or move…so wondered if we had someone else do the first one and learn how to do it was Better choice. We will probably also drill a regular well, but maybe next year.

        • Not an answer to your post but related….I posted a while back and someone replied, but never answered my clarification. I want a flow jack for the well, but the well head has been cemented…..not a slab to prevent storm runoff, but the casing itself extends 12-18 inches above ground, the wiring comes up out of it, and this piece of pipe has had cement poured into it, encasing the wires. How am I supposed to flow jack that? Never mind the awful suffer that contaminated the well a few years ago and is still so nasty. I’ve been reading on how to solve that problem, but I still need access to the well!

          • There is a” pitman valve” where the pipe and wiring exits the well to prevent backflow.
            There shouldnt be concrete , when a well is drilled a cement type mix is pumped in around it. ( pvc pipe ? or steel).
            PVC is rotary drilled 5in and steel is cable rig pounded with 4in pipe .
            In order to install a flowjac , the pitman valve may need to be removed to allow your flojac pipe to pass .
            Make sure you have static water above 50 feet.
            I know what they advertise , really 50ft.

            • I don’t know what these yahoos did, but as soon as I’ve killed the black widow spiders in the well house were gonna move it and see exactly what’s there. That well and tank set up looks half ass done compared to what my guy did in va.

      21. The church should be using its funds to reach the lost, support missions and bible distribution, not wasting money on facial recognition cameras!

        • Yep

        • The church is using its funds to reach the lost, make disciples of current believers, supporting missionaries, and distributing Bibles throughout the whole world.

          Please don’t associate what a few congregations have erroneously chosen to do with the hundreds of thousands of faithful churches throughout the world, who do the will of God.

      22. This illustrates a point I have been trying to make for a while. The NSA is not a threat to your privacy. Private organizations are and any Joe Blow with a smart phone.

      23. Wait. There’s an identification service out of Israel called “Face Six?” You guys get it? ha ha!

      24. More people at the gym on Sunday mornings than at church. Yes, my body is my temple. The south shall rise again! Just bought my rebel flag, $6.97 on ebay with free shipping. Did it just to piss people off!

      25. I read this story a day or two ago. The first thing that came to mind was the fake mega-church preacher in Texas who everybody knows with the fake smile and fake wife. I’d be willing to bet that they have this technology. I wish there was some way to prove it. It’s all about money. It makes me sick. I predict that churches are going to fade away more and more I the next ten years (If we make it that long) My in-laws have been members of the First United Methodist church all their lives. They are losing their pastor (a good conservative preacher) because he is being promoted. They asked him if he would return to their church as a member when he was finished with his assignment. He told them that he wasn’t sure because the Methodist church is most likely splitting with the gay issue/marriage thing. These churches will most likely lose their tax free status if they refuse to marry gays. I predict this will be the death knell for all churches. CNBC just announced that the Supreme Court says same sex marriage must be allowed. 5-4 vote. States must allow it. Roberts dissents. So there you have it. All offending symbols will be removed– one by one. I’m sure this includes the cross, if it hasn’t been removed already. They will start with the confederate flag, no Uncle Ben’s rice or Anjemima syrup…, no Thomas Jefferson statues…. No church….American Flag is up for grabs now. I haven’t been a member of a church for seven years now. It doesn’t feel like church anymore. There always seems to be an agenda. Whether it’s money for a new building or major facelift…. Wish lists including coffee cafes or gyms with showers in locker rooms so they can have youth lock-ins…, none of which spreads the gospel or glorifies Christ. Just when I feel guilty for not going to a place of worship, I read something else that makes me feel like I don’t belong there.

      26. Don’t be fooled and isolate yourself because of what some churches are doing!

        I strongly encourage readers to read this in a reasonable manner. Don’t let the enemy separate you from fellowship, and from the care of anointed men of God who are supernaturally empowered to watch over your souls!

        Real churches are not control freaks, and the pastors know their flock personally, not by storing your information on a computer database.

        The enemy wants to divide and isolate, because that’s the only way he can conquer. Don’t be fooled, and pray God leads you to an anointed congregation!

      27. “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4)

      28. If people hadn’t organized churches and governments in the first place you wouldn’t have a reason to bitch about them. Even your little country church is a potential threat. The only thing that keeps them from being so is not enough people nearby to recruit. You are all organization minded people. That is what keeps humanity enslaved. Every organization no matter how benign at the start will, if given time,exist mainly to perpetuate the organization and benefit those at the top. That is the nature of organization. And that will always lead to enslavement just as we have now and getting worse. Organization minded people are responsible for hell on earth. A wise nation will allow only their military to organize in order to protect themselves from nations of organization minded people. And they better keep tight reigns on their military or it too will enslave them.

      29. Why do people need the church or government to sanction their relationship with another. If you take a partner leave the church and state out of it. It’s none of their damn business how or who you relate with in love unless you invite them in. It took some mind controlled people to let this get started and bunch more mind control to keep it going. Just because thats the way it is doesn’t make it correct. You get a marriage license from the state and blood tests and even pay for it then claim you are a freedom lover. Then you fight with the gays over who has the right to be enslaved.

        • You do understand that marriage IS a religious invention? It is not something that any liberal decided would be fun to do. It is instituted by God. So why, pray tell, do we need to agree to anyones ideas about marriage when it exists because God said it does?

          The state is involved because $. That is their only interest…money, money, money. They control it by why of you paying for something they have no business being involved with. I agree, don’t pay them, just marry who you like.

          But we are forced to fight this because we will have our churches desecrated. I cannot imagine having a gay marriage, something instituted by God, in our parish by our priest. But that is what is being forced down our throats. Of coarse we won’t comply but you know how that will go…we will be sued.

          You can’t unring that bell. It is too late to backpedal the blood tests and marriage licenses. So, where do we go from here? Can’t just let it go.

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