This article was originally published at Paul Craig Robert’s blog.
Editor’s Note: The stripes of a false flag psyop are starting to show through the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo. Just after the event, SHTF pointed to the suspicions raised about the authenticity of shootings, which showed no blood and no recoil in slowed down video. But now, the highly orchestrated reaction by world leaders playing heart strings with one hand, and unleashing an agenda for more spying powers with the other is revealing more of the bigger picture.
In this article, alternative media’s foremost cynic, a seasoned critic who worked inside Reagan’s Treasury Department and as an assistant editor at the Wall Street Journal, is pointing out the telltale signs of an operation – run not by amateur jihadist kids, but by professional intelligence operatives. He concludes, “Americans are a pitifully misinformed people. All of history is a history of false flag operations.”
In particular, Roberts makes the case that, like 9/11, the details of the attack were carried out in a many inconsistent with the profiles of the suspects; namely, it was too professional. A key police official involved in the investigation suddenly committed suicide during the investigation. The discovery of IDs by the authorities was too convenient, and reminiscent of the unlikely and impossible details of the official 9/11 fable. The links between American, British and Israeli intelligence to anything reeking of Muslim terrorism is just too close, and to helpful to their geopolitical agenda. Now, the media and politicians are too eager to carry the water on this one, and use the event for a whole new ballgame.
The convenient return of Islamic terrorism is already being used to justify the very NSA and intelligence spying Americans and the world become so outraged at following the Edward Snowden leaks. Did anyone notice that in the wake of Hebdo, former NSA chief and also former CIA director Michael Hayden went on the boob tube and boasted about how useful all that spy data was now. Hayden stated:
“These massive amounts of metadata that NSA held in storage. That metadata doesn’t look all that scary this morningand I wouldn’t be surprised if the French services pick up cell phones associated with the attack and ask the Americans, ‘where have you seen these phones active globally?’.
Maybe they do need spies like us, after all, Huh?
Are you seeing the bigger picture yet?
Charlie Hebdo
By Paul Craig Roberts
The Charlie Hebdo affair has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation. The attack on the cartoonists’ office was a disciplined professional attack of the kind associated with highly trained special forces; yet the suspects who were later corralled and killed seemed bumbling and unprofessional. It is like two different sets of people.
Usually Muslim terrorists are prepared to die in the attack; yet the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat. Their identity was allegedly established by the claim that they conveniently left for the authorities their ID in the getaway car. Such a mistake is inconsistent with the professionalism of the attack and reminds me of the undamaged passport found miraculously among the ruins of the two WTC towers that served to establish the identity of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.
It is a plausible inference that the ID left behind in the getaway car was the ID of the two Kouachi brothers, convenient patsies, later killed by police, and from whom we will never hear anything, and not the ID of the professionals who attacked Charlie Hebdo. An important fact that supports this inference is the report that the third suspect in the attack, Hamyd Mourad, the alleged driver of the getaway car, when seeing his name circulating on social media as a suspect realized the danger he was in and quickly turned himself into the police for protection against being murdered by security forces as a terrorist.
Hamyd Mourad says he has an iron-clad alibi. If so, this makes him the despoiler of a false flag attack. Authorities will have to say that despite being wrong about Mourad, they were right about the Kouachi brothers. Alternatively, Mourad could be coerced or tortured into some sort of confession that supports the official story. https://www.intellihub.com/18-year-old-charlie-hebdo-suspect-surrenders-police-claims-alibi/
The American and European media have ignored the fact that Mourad turned himself in for protection from being killed as a terrorist as he has an alibi. I googled Hamid Mourad and all I found (January 12) was the main US and European media reporting that the third suspect had turned himself in. The reason for his surrender was left out of the reports. The news was reported in a way that gave credence to the accusation that the suspect who turned himself in was part of the attack on Charlie Hebdo. Not a single US mainstream media source reported that the alleged suspect turned himself in because he has an ironclad alibi.
Some media merely reported Mourad’s surrender in a headline with no coverage in the report. The list that I googled includes the Washington Post (January 7 by Griff Witte and Anthony Faiola); Die Welt (Germany) “One suspect has turned himself in to police in connection with Wednesday’s massacre at the offices of Parisian satirical magazine, Charlie Hebdo;” ABC News (January 7) “Youngest suspect in Charlie Hebdo Attack turns himself in;” CNN (January 8) “Citing sources, the Agence France Presse news agency reported that an 18-year-old suspect in the attack had surrendered to police.”
Another puzzle in the official story that remains unreported by the presstitute media is the alleged suicide of a high ranking member of the French Judicial Police who had an important role in the Charlie Hebdo investigation. For unknown reasons, Helric Fredou, a police official involved in the most important investigation of a lifetime, decided to kill himself in his police office on January 7 or January 8 (both dates are reported in the foreign media) in the middle of the night while writing his report on his investigation. A google search as of 6pm EST January 13 turns up no mainstream US media report of this event. The alternative media reports it, as do some UK newspapers, but without suspicion or mention whether his report has disappeared. The official story is that Fredou was suffering from “depression” and “burnout,” but no evidence is provided. Depression and burnout are the standard explanations of mysterious deaths that have unsettling implications.
Once again we see the US print and TV media serving as a ministry of propaganda for Washington. In place of investigation, the media repeats the government’s implausible story.
It behoves us all to think. Why would Muslims be more outraged by cartoons in a Paris magazine than by hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by Washington and its French and NATO vassals in seven countries during the past 14 years?
If Muslims wanted to make a point of the cartoons, why not bring a hate crime charge or lawsuit? Imagine what would happen to a European magazine that dared to satirize Jews in the way Charlie Hebdo satirized Muslims. Indeed, in Europe people are imprisoned for investigating the holocaust without entirely confirming every aspect of it.
If a Muslim lawsuit was deep-sixed by French authorities, the Muslims would have made their point. Killing people merely contributes to the demonization of Muslims, a result that only serves Washington’s wars against Muslim countries.
If Muslims are responsible for the attack on Charlie Hebdo, what Muslim goal did they achieve? None whatsoever. Indeed, the attack attributed to Muslims has ended French and European sympathy and support for Palestine and European opposition to more US wars against Muslims. Just recently France had voted in the UN with Palestine against the US-Israeli position. This assertion of an independent French foreign policy was reinforced by the recent statement by the President of France that the economic sanctions against Russia should be terminated.
Clearly, France was showing too much foreign policy independence. The attack on Charlie Hebdo serves to cow France and place France back under Washington’s thumb.
Some will contend that Muslims are sufficiently stupid to shoot themselves in the head in this way. But how do we reconcile such alleged stupidity with the alleged Muslim 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo professional attacks?
If we believe the official story, the 9/11 attack on the US shows that 19 Muslims, largely Saudis, without any government or intelligence service support, outwitted not only all 16 US intelligence agencies, the National Security Council, Dick Cheney and all the neoconservatives in high positions throughout the US government, and airport security, but also the intelligence services of NATO and Israel’s Mossad. How can such intelligent and capable people, who delivered the most humiliating blow in world history to an alleged Superpower with no difficulty whatsoever despite giving every indication of their intentions, possibly be so stupid as to shoot themselves in the head when they could have thrown France into turmoil with a mere lawsuit?
The Charlie Hebdo story simply doesn’t wash. If you believe it, you are no match for a Muslim.
Some who think that they are experts will say that a false flag attack in France would be impossible without the cooperation of French intelligence. To this I say that it is practically a certainty that the CIA has more control over French intelligence than does the President of France. Operation Gladio proves this. The largest part of the government of Italy was ignorant of the bombings conducted by the CIA and Italian Intelligence against European women and children and blamed on communists in order to diminish the communist vote in elections.
Americans are a pitifully misinformed people. All of history is a history of false flag operations. Yet Americans dismiss such proven operations as “conspiracy theories,” which merely proves that government has successfully brainwashed insouciant Americans and deprived them of the ability to recognize the truth.
Americans are the foremost among the captive nations.
Who will liberate them?
C’mon Mac. Your own credibility is at stake.
Paul Craig Robert’s is. And he’s always been 100% credible.
Southron, spot on about Paul Craig Roberts. He’s always credible and I always enjoy his articles. I’ll take Roberts over Skousen any day.
Wow, just wow! We don’t underestimate our enemy, the devil. Is he pushing for a global police state? You betcha!
I have never read his stuff and have only seen his name mentioned here. But I know I at least like his deductive reasoning and common sense on this article.
You wouldn’t know deductive reasoning if it bit you in the ass. AND if common sense was so “common”, the why isn’t it?
Stench of the Devils Own breath again has been emitted from the cofin eh old coach?….ok now plesse go Back to sleep in it.
I appreciate that finally an article by Robert’s and posted up by Mac which basically containes the EXACT Same wordings that I and a small few Others here have repeatedly tried to awaken others to, has been posted up and does Vindicate My and said few others infos that have all been constantly bashed and ridiculed by the likes of old coach and various other many whinners and cryers that continue to BEG Mac to “Do something Mac to Stiffle” what those small Few Truth Tellers(like Me!) keep posting here!
Too Bad sukafools but by Now you should All realize that facts based real Truth, even if it involves admitions that yes indeed Israel and various jewish issues/plots and Mossad acting on Concert with it’s western Cousin the CIA-usa state dept opperatives is NEVER going to be stiffled nor silenced as it always has been prior to very recent times!
Those who remain in very DEEP Denial, and always reject such facts and truths can continue their incessant whinnes and mouth foamings but to zero avail. And if real truth or facts is too offensive as many claim it is, well perhaps it be They who are at the Wrong website here eh?
Try Becks israel firster site! or allow Hannities radio voice daily to keep You types dwelling within that very Deep Denail state of mindless drivel…
Who knows? perhaps someday soon Hagge’s promics of vast blessings will fall from the skys above to shower you types with vast prosperities for a lifetime of blessing and worshipping the Wrong group eh.
And if hagees wrong too?…Chaulk it all up as an entire Lifetime of allowing self to be Royally Duped!
Suckers and Fools are troublesome to be…but None are worse duped than them sukafos! (The ebonics version)
Thanks Mac and Paul Craig Roberts article for vindicating Me and several Other wiszed up folk here. Condor:Day4
Are you speaking English? Anyone that pontificates to the degree that you do, but can’t spell or get the declension and syntax of your NATIVE LANGUAGE correct, is the one in denial. The random use of capitals, as entertaining as it is, is comparative to your random use of English, facts, common sense and logic. If you’re trying to be cute…you aren’t. If you’re trying to sound or look smart…you aren’t getting a base hit there either. If you’re trying to string two sentences together, that make sense, you failed that also. If you seek to corroborate your ethos and small minded bigotry with the rantings of someone that was released from very prestigious institutions, someone that lost track of reality, then, I would say you have succeeded.
Roberts starts his dissertation with an assertion that the Charlie Hebdo affair “has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation”. And then he goes on to ….no wait he doesn’t explain any of that first claim. He makes a broad, sweeping statement and those that don’t, won’t or can’t think for themselves let it slide. So, what are the “characteristics of a false flag operation”? Anyone? Anyone? Yes, exactly…you don’t know, probably because the statement is so broad and sweeping, infused with the obvious insult that “if you’re stupid enough to not get it, then you’re stupid” and the premise becomes self supporting, because no one wants to be “that stupid”, therefore no one asks the obvious question of “so what are those characteristics Mr. Roberts?” DOES THAT NOT STRIKE YOU AS ODD AND OBFUSCATORY? Then he goes on to contrast the “disciplined professional attack…” with that of the “bumbling and unprofessional….”, implying that the terrorists were somehow special ops guys one minute and idiots some time later. Let’s look at that. First, basic infantry training isn’t brain surgery. The idiots that play paint ball understand basic maneuver tactics. It’s not rocket science. It takes about a week or two of training to learn and understand fire and movement, the basic drill, marching fire, overwatch, bounding overwatch, shoot n scoot, and other maneuvers. It takes about 2-3 days to understand proper shooting technique if your mind and heart is in it. And whose mind and heart isn’t more in it than a jihadi. Did anyone mention that these two asshat fuckers had been to Yemen for a significant period of time. You know, training with weapons and tactics……duh! How hard is it to look fucking professional, when the only two cops are UNARMED, and then you have free reign (in the gun free zone I like to call FRANCE) inside Charlie Hebdo to go in with two AK47s and kill 11 people? If that is hard, you need to go apply for food stamps. Proper shooting technique, as any 11Bravo knows, is easy to maintain…as long as no one is shooting back. I look really professional, as do all of YOU, when no one is shooting back. Go figure. As far as the IDs left in the car, every time we went over the Laotian/Cambodian border, we didn’t have ID cards or dog tags…wonder why that was? Are you guys that eat up with the dumbass? They left their IDs in the car so that if one was killed, they couldn’t be identified, you know forensics…is that hard to comprehend? While all jihadis want to be martyred they don’t want to “just die”. Even for them that doesn’t make sense. There was no threat to them. What were they supposed to do tactically? Just sit and wait to die, when they controlled the events around them by the fact that they had superior firepower in a “gun free zone”? They left. How hard is THAT to understand? As far as seeming to be “bumbling and unprofessional” when surrounded by superior firepower…..seriously. They got their asses waxed by 50 to 1 superiority and a MASSIVE FIREPOWER ADVANTAGE. Is that unexpected? No…duh. Roberts goes on to say that their escape from the Charlie Hebdo area, without resistance, “was an amazing feat”. Really, then I do amazing feats everyday when I escape from the mall WITH NO RESISTANCE!!! THEN to solidify this LOGICAL CONJECTURE, Roberts segues to some unrelated fact (not really a fact per se) related to some oddity on 9/11, just to give it the 9/11 seal of conspiratorial approval and that should be NUFF SAID for any doubters of his accurate portrayal of the events enumerated and make you feel good about it at the same time.
These are ONLY THE OBVIOUS bullshit inconsistencies for the first paragraph and a half. THEN THE CONSPIRACY BULLSHIT STARTS. The bullshit about no recoil…ever shot an AK properly, with a stressed “push/pull” sling? I have. It doesn’t kick. Why were there shots into the windshield of the two cops’ car shot at the scene? (one killed ON FUCKING CAMERA and the other wounded) Bleeding? I’ve seen guys with half their heads blown off with very little blood and others with a through and through “icepick” head wound drain like slaughtered pigs. Bleeding or not bleeding, recoil or not recoil, isn’t evidence, depending on the circumstances associated with each. Why would a high ranking police official commit suicide? Well, why does anyone commit suicide? Not withstanding the fact that police have a higher suicide rate than average…who the fuck knows? Shit happens and this shit was probably the last straw and it was going to be his fault. And then Roberts asks what seems to be a logical question “why would Muslims be more outraged by cartoons in a Paris magazine than hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by…..” Well, they’re Muslims. They don’t make moral equivocations like we do. THAT MOHAMMED WAS DRAWN….is all they needed to work themselves into a frenzy of something THEY think is of such importance that they will commit atrocity after atrocity to rectify. In case you haven’t noticed, THEY DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Why do they shoot kids, girls, just because the go to school? Because they would perhaps realize all these cocksuckers are savage, ignorant, pedophillic, pigs and not obey them. Why do they line up women on a soccer field, taken off the streets for some minor violation of their “code of conduct” according to their interpretation of the Koran, and shoot them in the back of the head? Whose wife, mother or sister was that? Why? Why? Would a lawsuit assuage the “hurt feelings” of these Koranic morons and “paralyze France” with a lawsuit? Hell no. Do you think these idiots are rational? DO YOU? SERIOUSLY, DO YOU? You guys have a problem here. One where the logic doesn’t fit your small minded (where have I seen that before….hmmmn?) scope of the facts THAT ARE SO OBVIOUS. You can’t get around your hate for the Jews, the “negroes” and others you don’t like. Any other time you’d be bashing the Muslims, as those ragheads. And NOW, you’ve let some shyster gain your trust through making you sort of “feel sorry” for these poor deceived, savages so you can embrace all this bullshit conspiracy theory. CAN ANY OF YOU SUSTAIN AN INDEPENDENT THOUGHT, A LOGICAL THOUGHT, WITH REASON, CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS AND USE DEDUCTIVE REASONING AND COMMON SENSE TO COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSION…..in light of the obvious pandering to your inner biases? Go through what I wrote for the first two paragraphs, find the answers to the questions I posed. Then follow on and see if I don’t speak the truth. You guys are “spoon fed” what ever it takes to keep you “agreeing with the status quo” here and believing in things that are just toooooooo far out to make sense. Seriously, this man (Roberts) slid over the edge of rationality years ago. That’s why he no longer works for the “prestigious news institutions” he used to. He fell off the earth…check it out. Roberts is 100% bullshit. There is a conspiracy…the one that keeps all of you “enraged” over whatever is the daily fare here, and keeps you “slapping” each other on the back going “yep, yep, that’s right, gotta be right”. PROVE ME WRONG…that requires facts, not name calling and character assassination and innuendo. It requires thought and the ability to see through the BS.
Old Coach, uh, I always enjoy your posts, but I’ll take issue with anyone questioning Mac’s credibility.
brainwashed insouciant Americans: See Old Coach
You missed your med again?
That was to my friend Old Coach. To be fair at times he makes good sense with some of his comments but some times he doesn’t take his meds.
However the beauty of this site is all opinions are being posted and the readers can make their own judgments.
Thanks Mac. Freedom is a beautiful thing.
STOLZ: Consider that, a few days ago he, coach, said that he has NO TV set since 1977…Never yet viewed even one single Yutube vid!…And has also Prior awhile back stated that he Never Ever clicks onto ANY Links anybody here he disagrees with provided him!
And while an avid book/historybooks reader..Every book his reply post named are all books written by PC correct-FULLY MSM type approved of-Publishings that copycat always the usa govnt-state of israel-MSM-Text “official Storyline” that has been the main Standard in use for the vast propagandizing and brainwashings of american folks for at least the past Century!
Therefore is it Any wide wonder that he insists on rejecting ALL true facts based infos that in Any way, shape, or form Dares to mention of worse yet to Name anything or anyone in any way conected to Israel state or jewdeo issues and also to zionist issues?
How anybody with his mechanical master degrees and lifes work experiences that mandate great intelligence as coash has often times shown he possess’s when reading his many posts here….Is soooo tooooo Stuborn and so rejecting of even attempting to click a link or read any info like me or you or jqp etc et al provide often so to awaken folks like he is beyond the pale.
For them what always demand answers to everything in only a bumper sticker slogan form of one short small sentence.
It is akin to this:
“I know that every MSM-fed govnt-TV news is and Has been telling Nothing But LIES!…Except of course for everything those several sources has EVER told me to Believe regarding events of WWII and especially the Holocaust event…Because Thats the ONLY stuff them sources always were 100% Honest and accurate on!”
And hes not the only one that subscribes to such thinking Stolz!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/mar/26/terrorism
THIS IS THE OPERATION GLADIO ROBERTS SPEAKS OF. CIA BOMBED ITALY TO STOP THEM FROM VOTING COMMUNIST.
YES, YOU LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY…BUT NOT FROM THE FUCKING COLLEGE PROFESSORS OR THE MSM, THATS FOR SHIT SURE.
The Book “NSA BODY OF SECRETS” by James Bamford is 612 pages of information from de-classified documents dating to the early 60’s and forward. High political leaders on both sides of the aisle have participated, and in some cases ordered and directed more false flag incidents than you may find believable.
Many questions can be answered by asking a few basic questions and looking closely at the “evidence”
Most things are not what they first appear to be.
Lol. Coming from Old Coach who has little credibility. The truth speaks volumes, whether you like it or not I’d take the truth everytime, good or bad any day. If you love to be lied to, then watch the Main Stream Media Faux News- fantasy BS.
The Rothschilds bought Charlie Hebdo in December 2014
Check out http://www.jimstonefreelance.com
Who knows what to believe now days???
Hey eppe…care to go deeper, per the ‘belief thingy’?
..let’s get “specific”..shall we?
..cards on the table..face up!
I’m calling your hand..in a friendly sorta-way!!!!!!!!!
..nothing personal, of course..merely want to know, what yer holding…(back)!
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BTW, am not referencing ‘great-jokes, nor tearjerkers’ etc..etc! They’re awesome, dude!
+ kudos, for posting such!
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..am merely seeking, yer definition of: ..”what you believe / or reject believing”..or / and… why you doubt “stuff”..& what “stuff” entails, per the global calamity..staring us in the face…and soon to be, at gun-point (per DHS & govt or so), …..and / or, .. possibly on a radio-active scale..one day soon!
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FYI..I don’t really care, what you ‘feel’..it’s what you ‘think’ ..that counts! That..is what I’m curious about!!
..you, sabe’??
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..am not being confrontational here..its just, I’ve seen precious little “foundational grounding/references” ..to get a handle on where..and what path..you’re traveling!
..and why!
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Thus, you / I…will scrub/abandon the usual suspects (known to some) herein, OK?!? ..& refrain from alluding to such..(I promise!!!).
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Please sir, state your position…via the ongoing destruction of ‘REAL’ (Christian) Western Civilization & its causes/alleged inherent defects/warts & MSM identified deficiencies..per a moral/Christian construct…currently under state-sponsored assault…
..–(band-width limits my cataloging of such)–
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..again, not seeking an argument/lengthy debate…merely a concrete foundation..of understanding….relative to your…FRAME of REFERENCE…
Thank you!…….
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Got 7 responces so far…
They know who we are, so at least communicate while we can…
Question…
everything
Roberts is much more believable than most..
I’d at least give credence to his summary..
But.as with every other official narrative
we never ever have been given a glimpse of the truth..
nor will we
possee
Mac, I appreciate your follow up into this orchistrated false flag scandal. Way too may TRUTH SEEKERS out there reporting. This is a blantent attept to promote a certain tribes agenda. I will post more links. To substantate the author this of this article.
OK, Here you go Truth Seekers, Link: The Illuminati ’Synagogue of Satan’ – Learn About It! – See more at: http://zeeklytv.com/user/Dahboo77#sthash.Mvd0ADzb.dpuf
Watch these set of videos. You want the truth, here you go. This is not controlled YouTube. The Illuminati cannot control this website of truth.
Try this link: http://zeeklytv.com/user/Dahboo77
WWT, I really think the paid chills in Tel Aviv have some sort of coded flag on their computers to wake them up anytime the words such as tribe, ZOG is mentioned on this site and basically the internet.
Go back to bed boys and girls. Too late. Awakening has started.
Wwti, what have YOU done to thwart the ‘zog’?
I know I have been taking newbies shooting for their first time, and letting others blow off ammo to practice…
Keyboard commandos does not count…
Crickets…
Lots of words with no action…
Death to liars????
Go back to your sandbox child. You would know the truth if it slapped you silly.
Sounds like the truth is what’s hurting you there who wudda thunk it. What eppe says is true, you’re nothing but a hot air blower, or if I’m wrong, please share with us all on just what you have done.
There are terrorist.Yes, they do exist.
From time to time they gather enough balls to do bad things.
I know its fun and all but…. not everything is a government conspiracy.
But not because they don’t try…
Another good reading:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40692.htm
I didn’t shoot JFK, it was Tricky Dick who pulled the trigger. I’m alive and well living in a villa next to Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, and Jim Morrison in Tahiti. (sarcasm)
You choose: It was either #1 The Tribe, #2 The CIA, #3 J.R. Ewing who shot them Frenchies.
It wasn’t me, it was the one armed man………
You’re busy today Mac.
Sometimes we are a little to conspiracy oriented.
Who knows?
If it wasn’t the Muslims, it could be the Jew’s It could be The CIA could be the old KGB. who the hell knows. It all to get every one fighting with each other, So TPTB can take cove.
Make a problem, and then fix the problem, you made to make it look like you are a hero/god, and people will follow you.
Everything is going to hell! So be ready!
Sgt.
Amen Sgt, porcine in ground was excellent…
Thanks, Mac for this place…
Sgt. It is the usual Tribe controlled false flags, but they are getting really sloppy out there, and way too many truth seekers out there exposing their flaws and the facts of all across these attacks. You want to know who was behind the Boston Bombing? We are awake, and NO MSM will dupe me again.
You have to deal in reality to actually be duped. Since you are not there, then there is no danger to you. I doubt the postman will dupe you…unless he’s a Jew and works for the CIA….oh sorry meant Mossad, no wait, they’re the same…damn it. No, I meant the French….no they’re dominated by the hegemonic government here…well, shit. Hmmmn, who is not in the conspiracy? I will have to get back to you…as soon as I figure out which liar is telling the best truth. There must be some of these truth seeker people around somewhere.
Should take over. Damn fat fingers.
Sgt.
As always, Roberts makes important points. I still don’t know what to think. One point does stick out, however:
“Some will contend that Muslims are sufficiently stupid to shoot themselves in the head in this way. But how do we reconcile such alleged stupidity with the alleged Muslim 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo professional attacks?”
Fact is, there is a vast difference between intelligence and wisdom. I could easily reconcile this: Think Nidal Hassan, the Ft. Hood shooter. Trained psychiatrist… and a nutcase. Think all the Nazi Ph.Ds and M.Ds. who followed him. Heck, think Hilary – clever, but IMHO insane, corrupt and nutty; think of all the brilliant scientists in the USSR. Islam, like other cults, can dupe otherwise intelligent people. So, I have no problem reconciling a professionally planned attack with the alleged attackers.
Would love to hear others critique my proposition above – I put this out for “peer” vetting.
@TEST; Read my missive above, and compare it to yours. You make the obvious point. Muslims will do whatever meets their needs at the time. They are pragmatists and whatever suits the situation is what they will do. They are fanatics and therefore make “unpredictable” fanatic decisions. Again, my post above should take care of any concern you have. Be Well.
SH_T gettin’ real
Russia Cuts Off Ukraine Gas Supply To 6 European Countries
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russia-cuts-ukraine-gas-supply-6-european-countries
A couple of big developments out of Russia today… quite interesting.. A short report on this is on its way. Thanks Satori!
Wrong Satori – Russia only cuts off supply when those who fail to pay their energy bills. You are spreading mis-info
Seriously? How do you manage to communicate with other people that speak English?
There goes the croissants. No gas, no oven, no bread. What shall we ever do??????
Sardines and beer. Crackers extra.
Satori, sounds like the Russian Bear is getting ready to pounce. I had the feeling 2015 will be more interesting than we want it to be.
Roberts undying hatred of Israel colors everything he writes these days. The well of his logic has been terminally poisoned.
Sneed, it should be early morning in Tel Aviv. I guess they pay you good to stay up.
Sneed, Roberts is a patriot who loves his country and is standing up for it.
Roberts was relieved from every position he held since the early 90s. He lost reality. That was why he quit in 2010. He is a nut job.
… and “For unknown reasons, Helric Fredou, a police official involved in the most important investigation of a lifetime, decided to kill himself in his police office on January 7 or January 8…”
Kinda reminds me of the suspicious deaths of reporter Michael Hastings and his runaway car, the sudden death of Andrew Breitbart, and the suspicious death of Tom Clancy. Meanwhile, the Geo. Soroses, the Henry Kissingers, the Zbigniew Brzinsksi (no, I am NOT looking up the spelling!) etc. etc. all seem to live to 190.
The suspicious death of Tom Clancy. Not that he was a two-three pack a day smoker for years. Not that he had a very bad heart attack 6-7 years ago, that severely damaged his heart. Not that he had an incredibly poor cardiac ejection fraction. Not that he was not a good candidate for a transplant. Not that he already had bypass surgery before. Yep, suspicious. I too wonder why he died so “unexpectedly” like that. There is certainly something going on in the Clancy death. It’s just too, oh what’s the word I’m looking for, oh, yeah, his heart fucking wore out. Bet those zionist pigs did that.
Tripod,
I’ve been reading your posts here, I’ve got to say I’m laughing more than I have in a long time at the holes you’re poking in all their precious conspiracy theories and the ever present culprit for all of it, the Jews of course! Keep it up man, it makes for fun reading.
@Zombie Flu; Love the handle btw. Ahh yeah. I try to just watch…but sometimes it’s just too hard to NOT play the devil’s advocate (more like a cat plays with a mouse). It just amazes me, that people ascribe “Men In Black” abilities and powers to the government and to the “shadow…ow…ow government” or the illuminati…whatever. The international community can’t even run the UN and they are just like the federal gubement. It can’t (and this is a long list) deliver mail w/o losing $60Bn a year, get our tax returns back due to a 3% budget cut (but revenues are up by more than that), figure out how to respond to a hurricane (1968 Camille was taken care of in a few weeks and there was no DHS, FEMA, EPA, loans etc.) in a timely manner and on and on. YET, this gubement (for conspiracists;NOTE THAT “racists” makes up the word’s last half) has the ability to do all sort of acrobatic conspiracies that are so complex and full of Jedi mind trick BS that it is stunning. The fact that the gubement can’t poor piss out of a boot, but can cover up assassinations, moon landings, “false flag” events, con trails making us sterile, created aids, steal airliners in flight, ad nauseum. The cognitive dissonance of the diametrically opposed government capabilities just seems to….uhhmm….not occur to them. Either you can function like a brain surgeon or you can’t. It stuns me that some of these guys can breath on their own without an implant. I’m not saying that there are NO conspiracies, but if it takes more than a finger or two to count the conspiracies that control how you live your life and perceive reality of the world around you…you need to get back on your meds. Thanks again ZF, as I don’t get too many kudos here. Be Well.
Boring. President loves Islam. Nobody going to do nothing. Pretty Dumb as they got a few thousand people to lock arms and march around the city. The Muslims are scared shitless now. Hahahaha!
With a face like Merkels I could imagine the fear.
What about the rest of her?
http://chrisspivey.org/angela-merkel-naked/
… and I wonder how Wolfgang Halbig is making out in his Sandy Hook investigation. THAT guy has impeccable credentials. Google him and do your own research. Once again, though, these things go down a memory hole and no one remembers a few months later.
I will say this tho: My state trooper neighbor told me that the .223 round is used because it doesn’t penetrate like high powered rounds do. And if kids were piled three deep, he told me that the bullets would not have penetrated to the third kid to be able to kill him.
Whether Sandy Hook, Paris, etc. are false flags or not, I can say with certainty there is something evil afoot in this country, and in a narrow sense, perhaps it doesn’t matter, finally, if they are false flags or not. Rather, we need to get back to the Constitution, true free enterprise (not crony capitialism), the nuclear family, and – sorry to say for those of you who do not like Jesus Christ – the faith that this country was founded on (and yes, I am just waiting for the inevitable person to come up with the de rigueur comment that the founders weren’t Christian. Go ahead, make my day, as Clint would say).
Depends on what .223 bullet. Light jacketed “varmint” bullets won’t penetrate very far. Full jacketed military bullets will. Esp. the steel core AP type. “Green Tips” to the milsurp ammunition crowd.
at point blank range..I would bet my life on the fact that they would easily penetrate that much soft tissue and be able to kill to the third layer of human, most rounds sold for the .223 are FMJ’s even the type with the small lead tip would have more then likely penetrated to full depth of gauge ( gauge being how deep 3 bodies are stacked on top of each other )
problem with all of this is..the SH story is as fake as they come ..so the point of all this is moot
@TEST; Not to be pissy, but the 5.56x45mm M855A1 62gr ball ammo (green tip) is NOT AP as was said, no disrespect to coach, BUT it will penetrate 2 children and into the 3rd at close range. This round has a steel penetrator (a penetrator made of steel), full metal jacket over the alloy core. The actual AP round (BLACK TIP) is the M995 made from tungsten. Spent a lot of time sending these down range. Lanza’s AR was a 16″ shorty (versus 14.5″ issue M4) and would be able to do this. EVEN a SP/HP at point blank range has the possibility of going through multiple “children”. My Ranger son complained of over penetration and “icepick” wounds on tangos when making entries. They would put 4-5 rounds COM and the tangos were still grubbin around for arms or grenades. They just had to start popping them in the head. I spent almost 40 years in the military AND as a shooter, reloader, and competitor and am VERY familiar with the performance of 5.56x45mm and the terminal ballistics. The standard issue ball (M885A1) will penetrate a stack of kids at PBR. This is what is usually sold as “surplus” or just on sale at the box stores. I certainly appreciate your concern for traditional values and support that. However, regardless of the bonafides of Mr. Halbig and no disrespect to your trooper friend, but there is no conspiracy and your friend is just wrong. Google, 5.56x45mm in ballistics gel. You can find images or videos of penetrations of various projectiles of that caliber, if credibility is an issue. Be Well.
sling, did you see how the male head of so called states kissed each other? To me it looked like head of states Gay initiation. BTW, Why Angela Merckel looks like Hillary?
C’mon Germans… what happened to the German’s pride to elect this ZIO selected bitch running the country.
SV.
Hillary going to be our Next President.
No more Bush Dynasty.
Dry Ass Romney.
Magic Sweater Christie.
Do the Rumba, Rubio.
Sling.. I am afraid you are right. I am really afraid. Soros already selected her majesty to be the next one to continue the Clinton’s dynasty.
We are ….ed.
SV.
Soros is a country Killer by his power and wealth. Kissinger seems to be always hanging around to give advise. Brenzinski always in the shadows.
Hillary will want to be Queen. We will not be citizens but subjects. She will run around the White House yelling “Off with their heads”. Imagine being on the WH Staff
slingshot
Hillary is so damn nasty looking,
Bill could only do her doggy style.
He’s not her type
theres a dog in his lawn, she only likes carpet
if their daughter was truly conceived by the both of them , you can bet it was a “two bagger” night
“The Charlie Hebdo affair has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation. The attack on the cartoonists’ office was a disciplined professional attack of the kind associated with highly trained special forces; yet the suspects who were later corralled and killed seemed bumbling and unprofessional. It is like two different sets of people.”
That could point to some sort of conspiracy. Or….maybe it is just due to the fact that the “bumbling” terrorists were facing highly trained police the second time, not cartoonists.
You morons never cease to amaze me. You are your own worst enemies.
Me either. I’m only here because I’m studying deviant psychology. High density on this site.
Good one coach. Looks like about 75% of the posters here see an international conspiracy everywhere they look, but that’s what they want to see, so big surprise when something happens it’s all but impossible for them not to see some kind of behind the scenes wizard of oz pulling magical levers.
Mossad signature all over this False Flag. The dropped ID in the rent a car was a dead givaway. Like what terrorist takes his ID to Jihad and conviently drops it to be framed?? Lol. Strait from the land of milk and honey, the band plays on. .
“Americans are the foremost among the captive nations.
Who will liberate them ?”
Where are the liberators, the leaders, the commanders, the freemen, the “one” that will take back what is ours? Somebody tell where he/she is. We need action against the machine, the gears and levers of oppressive control have to be ended. Who and where is the great leader?
Roberts was part of the machine, is he agitating the mix playing his part? Did he become awake to the plight and roll over to the good side after the fact? Can you trust anyone not meant face to face. Would he be willing to take a VSA (lie detector) test? Ten easy questions is all I need.
Remember, all media is controlled
Hard World>Hard Decisions. Few choices
I guess my trust factor is down in the last couple decades.
Hillary has zero (or close to zero) chance of being the next President. She is a terrible campaigner, is old, looks older….and her hubby is involved in a developing sex scandal. And Bengazi might bite her on the Ass since the republicans control Congress and can more closely investigate it.
She’ll soon be older than Reagan. Young people are shocked when they find out how old she really is. Whoever runs against her just has to announce her age in every speech to ruin her chances.
Gerard. Remember elections are won by WHO counts the vote. Diebold picked GW Bush
Regarding geo-politics and finance both horses are bought in the two horse race.
The powers that be have two candidates for the Presidency: Their names are Preferred and Acceptable.
It is all a plot to get Jeb in office. They will play one end against the other and then Hillary will bow out again after causing turmoil in the run-up to the election…oops I meant selection. Watch for twisted clues like this http://ulstermanbooks.com/got-kidding-theres-place-called-hawaii-kenya/ ??????? http://www.eturbonews.com/21009/obamaville-kenya-get-new-hotel
Off Topic.
Needs some INFO.
Does anyone know where I can get some free dried peanut butter? I have some in plastic and I have opened some up that I have had for 4 years. They only have some separation with the oil setting on top. Remixed it and it was OK. I just picked up some stuff form Honeyville, but they don’t have peanut butter or at least I didn’t see it.
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
Sgt.
Survival Essentials, sells dry P Nut butter in N pac cans storable for years. I have a couple of cans. I have not used any. I asked the lady at the store what she thought of it; she said as P nut butter it wasn’t all the great, just OK, As an ingredient in cookies etc she said it was not noticeably different then regular. In US Gov rations I have eaten it that was 40 years old and it was still fine (separated but fine when mixed) I bought a bunch of it 4-5 years ago at 99 cents per jar, and it’s still good. All I know
“P”
Thanks!
Sgt.
Did some further research and Honeyville does have it they just didn’t have in the site I order my other stuff.
Sgt.
Gerard, repubs also were aware of Benghazi (not all but the key members) . They just put a good show questioning it as they do. The issue is they question everything and in few weeks or month we all forget about it. Ruby Ridge, Branch Dividians at Waco and on and on and on….It is just a ZOG wheel of the fortune show.
Sgt. Dale, dried or powdered peanut butter can be had at netrition.com but it is not free.
G 150
Thanks
Sgt.
I don’t get it!! I have jars 6 years old and they are fine. They stack nicely 12 to a case also.
$1.50 per jar compared to??
The big reason Hillary (or any democrat) won’t win in 2016….. when one party holds the presidency for two terms,the other major party wins next. This has held true all but once since World War 2.
Why not just blame it on shape shifting reptilians? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar boys.
“We’re Going to War”
We’ve been at war since 2001
just werent told, a lot of people dont know it , or dont see it
they really dont want you to realize it , because if enough of us really woke up to it,, we just might be able to combat it
im probably wrong about the year..it was probably before 2001 ..fact remains we’ve BEEN at war in this country for a long ass time
and its been a war of our government , VS the population on many levels
It’s stupid to say it’s a false flag. There’s so much idiocy in the alternative media that it’s no wonder some people think preppers are idiots.
Barn cat, what do you mean ” some” people, try 99% of the population! But that other 1% will tell you that it’s the other 99% who are the ” crazy” ones.
Barn Kitty!!!!! Where the hell have you been lately. Hope all is OK and the barn still is in good shape and the cats are getting fat for your emergency food supply.
http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.com/2015/01/charlie-hebdo-hypocrisy-and-look-who.html
Same as it always is: Follow the money
Anyhow… maybe one of the enlightened ones in the crowd can explain to us what exactly was the plan, for the future of Libya and Syria? And further back, Afghanistan and Iraq? Sooo… our government was just going to meddle and all of it was to just fall in place? Democracy bells would suddenly ring the sounds of… freedom? No one had a CLUE? And remember, this all goes back to planning in the early 2000’s that we conveniently forget. Before Obama. So, Obama initiated the plan, and then intentionally mucked it up?
No one had a clue that by our intentional meddling in Libya and Syria would create a power vacuum, the same powers that kept, for the most part, the crazies in their sewage pipes?
And… you’re going to say that the plan was to bring out the crazies into the light and exposed… to, what? But wasn’t the purpose to regime change? And what exactly, was the regime to be replaced with?
So we have all these people from various ABC agencies, all these enlightened decision makers in all our various ABC agencies throughout our government… and all of this is the best we can expect?
And you go for that?
And you don’t think you are a deluded stooge?
It’s much easier being spoon fed, huh? And it’s just those crazy libtards, huh? If only we had a repuke to save the day, huh? They just didn’t know what to do about those terrorists, huh? So they… cried havoc and let slip the dogs of war, huh? But golly Mr. Wilson! They just didn’t have a clue, did they, huh? We got rid of Gaddafi and expected Thomas Jefferson to rise from the dead and take over, huh? We’re trying to get rid of Assad, and once our Thomas Jefferson clones get rid of him, James Madison will rise from the dead and take over, huh? We just didn’t know, did we?
When we talk about “Brainwashed insouciant Americans”, let’s not stop there…Germans are no better and the French are in for a surprise. I read in an article that they also want to pass a law like the “Patriot Act” in the US. It won’t be for long they will introduce this also to the Germans. We’re on a coaster ride and it’s getting faster everyday without stopping.
He’s misinformed. There are 17 dead people. There certainly was plenty of blood. Also, the magazine satirized everybody, everything, and every religion, including Judaism.
Come on guys,when you yell “False Flag”, it sounds stupid. If you think there is more to it than Muslim Terrorists, then say “maybe there is more to this than meets the eye” and then make your case stating who, what, why. Using the phrase “false flag” sounds ridiculous. The word false means something is not true. People are dead – to say the word “false” is insulting to the people who have lost a family member. If you think there is more to the story, drop the word “false” and I think you might reach a larger audience. And besides, it might be just what it looks like – Muslim Terrorists who killed 17 people – not everything is a conspiracy.
Bisquit,
Good luck trying to reason it out with the majority on this site because to them NOTHING happens without some government entity involved, They WANT it that way so it’s ALWAYS the way they’ll see it, facts be damned.
Obama used to behave as though he would have to be answerable to someone or something. He no longer does this.
Because of the nature of our technology, all news reportng is entertainment. A staged mass murder like Carlie Hebdo is just as impactful as a bag of money falling out of an armored car on the freeway.
When the Russians are finally forced to vaporize Obama, it wil be no more outrageous and every bit similar to Oprah’s latest movie not getting an Oscar.
This is stupid.
You’re missing the big fricking elephant in the room. This stupid Liberal publication posted porn like pictures of the “prophet” Muhammad. Was that apart of the conspiracy too? Of course Muslims attacked Charlie Hebdo.
You talk about “professionalism”? Seriously? So, why are these idiots “professional”, but any mass shooter in the US isnt… You know, like the Fort Hood terrorist who was some able to knock off a bunch of US soldiers. Was he highly “professional” too?
Indeed he was ! He played his part to the tee and is still collecting rewards for it ! How’s that for professional ? ( might even get a pardon from the current administration) Every False Flag is custom tailored for each individual receiving Deceived audience. There are also usually multiple angles or plans at work with layers of deception and compartmentalization. Throw in ritual dates and ancient holy days along with numerology and astrological alignments of the desired stars,planets and phases of the moon….. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/15/neo-paris-terror-the-smell-of-false-flag/