With the Stroke of a Pen: Obama Moves to Ban Sale and Manufacture Of Semi-Automatic Weapons, High Capacity Magazines; Will Require Universal Registration (Full Speech Video)

by | Jan 16, 2013 | Headline News | 477 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    Within two days of the President having been re-elected, reports of coming gun control legislation championed by liberal California Senator Diane Feinstein began to surface across the internet. Believed to be just rumors at first, the Newtown school shooting brought the proposals to the forefront of American politics.

    Today, those rumors became reality.

    President Obama has moved to introduce new legislation, by way of Congress and delegated Executive Orders, that promises to completely re-write the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

    From universal background checks and gun registration for all firearms sold and transferred in the United States, to empowering healthcare practitioners with the ability to make determinations for who should or shouldn’t own a gun, the Obama administration and Congress are making a full spectrum assault on law-abiding gun owners.

    Included in the initiative will be legislation to ban semi-automatic rifles, restrict magazine capacity to 10 rounds, and close ‘loopholes’ that allow individuals in certain states to freely and without government interference buy, sell and trade firearms.

    In the days ahead I intend to use whatever weight this office holds to make them [gun proposals] a reality.

    If there’s even one life that can be saved, then we’ve got an obligation to try. And I’m going to do my part.

    As soon as I am finished speaking here I will sit at that desk and sign a directive giving law enforcement, schools, mental health professionals and the public health community some of the tools they need to reduce gun violence.

    If you want to buy a gun, whether it’s from a licensed dealer or a private seller, you should at least have to show you are not a felon or someone legally prohibited from buying one. This is common sense, and an overwhelming majority of Americans agree with us on the need for universal background checks.

    Second, Congress should restore a ban on military style assault weapons and a ten round limit for magazines.

    (queue applause)

    We should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. And, we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this.

    (Editor’s note: It is not yet clear if this provision would apply to the sale of weapons by DEA and ATF officials to Mexican drug cartels)

    Let me be absolutely clear. Like most Americans, I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. I respect our strong tradition of gun ownership and the rights of hunters and sportsmen.

    This will be difficult.

    There will be pundits, and politicians, and special interest lobbyists publicly warning of a tyrannical all-out assault on liberty. 

    Not because that’s true, but because they want to gin up fear, or higher ratings, or revenue for themselves. And, behind the scenes they will do whatever they can to block any commonsense reform and make sure nothing changes whatsoever.

    This is the Land of the Free, and it always will be…

    Video via www.TheDailySheeple.com

    There’s been no word on whether universal background check provisions will also be implemented for the sale and/or transfer of weapons to Mexican drug cartels or militant extremist rebels in the middle east.

    Likewise, laser guided drone attacks that often target scores of civilians including men, women and school-age children for no other reason than a quick intelligence assessment will continue until further notice.

    “So this is how liberty dies… With thunderous applause”


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      1. Any website that goes against the prevailing status quo of “do as you are told” will be considered mentally unhealthy and monitored closely, as well as those who visit the sites and post any form of harsh “anti-establishment” language. Such information will be logged and used in a bolshevik, “medical” court.

        Ever been arrested for consumption of alcohol or drugs? Ever had a prescription for pain killers? Troubles directly or indirectly with domestic violence? Ever express anger towards anyone at work? Spank your kid in public?

        Incremental Persuasion
        “When persuading, do so one small step at a time.
        Get them to agree to a small point. Then get agreement on a further smaller point. Then another and another until you have got them to your final destination. Make each small point very easy to accept and as logical as possible so they cannot really object to it.”

        They are in no hurry to take away our guns. But the mulatto just laid down the long term “Prescription” for “legally” dismantling our mental sovereignty. He’s on the warpath, along with the ZIonist controlled Psychiatric profession. This plan has been in the works for a long, long time.

        • I bet they start going house to house in about a couple of months in some states asking for there guns right off the bat.When will this planet earth start listening to the wise and help make this earth a better place for all humanity.

          • If they think they can take away half this nation’s firearms and just hide them from us in some “area 51”, they are dreaming. The government is afraid of it’s people, and it should stay that way.

            • I have some “thunderous applause” to offer any gun grabbing SOB that sets foot on my property.

            • Tyranny is tyranny,not all doctors will go for this, and the ones who do will have their names made public! The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots ,in times like these.

          • This Bill will never pass Congress but WE must be vocal and LOUD about it. To avoid a house to house search, tell you doctor that you do not have any guns because they are dangerous, the next time you go. He will ask.

            Some things never change because inertia guides the status quo. That’s why history repeats itself; its a loop. What goes around comes around.

            Engage your employees or be enslaved by them. WE are the Change We want. Organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and “vote”.

            In an emergency election, empty your high capacity magazine. 🙂

            • It is not just a single bill. And I’m sorry, but if you don’t think that the Marxist in the White House will do EXACTLY what he says, IOW, if Congress doesn’t act, I will through Executive Orders, then you Sir are diluted.

              No offense intended Durango Kidd, but really – you need a reality check.

              • “In an emergency election empty your high capacity magazine.” That is my reality check.

                Check? Engage. Vote as often as necessary.

                • That is good. I read that, but you opened your statement with info I found unrealistic, that’s all.

                  Checkmate? LOL!

                  P/S – How’s that “voting” thing going for ya?

                  • The ballot is in place and because I am an old fashioned kind of guy, the lever is ready to pull.

                    Timing is everything in life.

                  • Granted DK, but the ballot box is stuffed. You know it, I know it, and any thinking person knows it — especially after the last atrocity called an election! Yet, I still voted and will continue to do so. We must have reform, and kick the scum-sucking pigs out of the swamp! One way… or the other!

                    MOLON LABE!

                  • We tried to ban high-capacity ballot boxes, no one needs to vote 20 or 30 times when a single vote is all they need, but that didn’t work last November.

              • EO’s can only be used for administrative purposes. They cannot be used to MAKE law. That is a reality……check, over.

                • Technically, yes. Problem? EO’s are being USED AND FOLLOWED as law!

                  Now let’s pretend I’m the local sheriff. I put up a sign on a busy main street in town saying that it’s now illegal for people to pick their nose and public (“I said so.”). I even, in this case, happen to schedule a press conference announcing this and it’s attended by the local tv and radio station. People in my town, for the most part, don’t know (even though they obviously should) that as sheriff, I can only enforce laws, I can’t make them up! Funny thing, though: townspeople start following it and even turn in people to my dept. they observe doing so. My dept. follows my “orders” and enforces the penalty that I announced (or perhaps I didn’t, doesn’t really matter–people are turning in people anyway). The Mayor knows better but says nothing. The city council knows better, but doesn’t say anything to the press, nor do they even come up with a resolution or anything against what I’ve done. The fact that it’s being followed by the masses, the people I serve in my territory, makes it a “law” in a sense (not literally via the required town laws obviously, but b/c people are following it), right? Both end up with the same consequences in the end!!

            • I can lie to my doctor. So can my wife. I’m worried about my kids. You raise them right and tell them to always tell the truth, and now I have to tell them to lie to the doctor about daddy’s guns. They’re young and it’ll most likely confuse them.

              What to do?


              • I’ve already been teaching my kids that we never talk about guns or silver with strangers. It is okay to lie to a stranger about our secrets….strangers are bad, and if they aren’t family then they are a stranger.

                • good point because kids will tell their friends that, “my dad has sliver and cool or big or automatic guns.” they run their mouths a lot and they dont mean harm but good point!!!

              • Teach them in the way they should go brother! I believe wholeheartedly that God will give His children a way out, or a way to succeed, against evil. And, this is exactly what we’re facing. Be of good faith, the rest will take care of itself.

                MOLON LABE!

              • Tell them to be evasive, not to lie. To answer every question with another question or something.

              • If Patriots get vocal and loud about it, We can make OUR voice heard. Gun owners are by far the largest voting block in the country if they would organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote together.

                The gun manufacturers have a lot to lose. You can bet that they will be behind the scenes pulling the necessary strings very quietly, but very effectively.

                O’bummer and the gun grabbing globalists on the Left have made a strategic blunder. This is a scheme he should have with held until after the next election when he may have won some more seats in Congress and actually transformed America when the economy gets better.

                Now its OUR turn.

                Perversely, in the final analysis, the Sandy Hook kids who were victim of a massive tragedy, may have done more to preserve gun ownership in America, the US Constitution, and American than a battalion of SEALS in the Middle East.

                Americans have voted with their pocket book. OUR position is clear. Any government that does not listen to its citizens is not worthy to lead them and does not represent them.

                If WE do not have a government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” We have a government at war with its people. Lock and load.

                Engage. Vote. WE are Seal Team America.

                • “O’bummer and the gun grabbing globalists on the Left have made a strategic blunder.”

                  Either that or Obama is actually a good guy and he knew this action would simultaneously fail and bring gun owners together before it is too late. It is quite unlikely but I enjoy thinking positively every-so-often… I better go buy more ammo.

                  • @Refreshing, you mean there is still some ammo to be had out there?!?

                • If you believe a team of navy seals took out OBL, you are still part of the problem. There was no DNA matching done and the evidence (the body read:double) was quicly disposed of at sea. The real Bin Laden died back in 2003 or 2003 of kidney failure. All the propaganda tapes made by his doubles were shown to be fakes. Recall that our own CIA created Al_quaida int he 80s Russian invasion of Afghanistan.
                  IF THIS government was really afraid of the people, they would not be printing money and destroying the purchasing power of the US Dollar so blatantly and willfully.
                  TV – the drug of the nation, breeding ignorance and feeding radiation…

                  • And what would be your rank at U.S. SOCOM, where you would have to be to come by this info, which would be a crime to divulge, BTW?

                  • he is right,,, my nephew is on seal team 6,,, the whole hokes,,, obama refused 3 times to let them go in and get the guy they got,who was a high up in the packistan army,, vallery jerrett tells obama what to do,, she said no 3 times,the last time clintonand penetta got together put it together,, the teams were in the air before they told obama thats why he looks so surprised in the photo,,they had a drone over head thats all they could see in the white house,, no seal had acamera,,not one camera as they try to say,, they thought both choppers made it safely,, the white house did not know the chopper hit the wall coming down,,, the raid was not for OBL it was for a general of the army of packistan that obama team felt was working with the afgan rebels!!!it was all faked that it was OBL but the reason it was anounced when it was,, there was a court case going on in california the same day it was anounced so the news was about the raid not the court hearing on obama being illegal to be president,,, thats where we should be puting energy,, show he is from africa not america!!!!

              • Avoid the doctor and homeschool your kids. It’s come down to that.

              • The doctors and schools are the problem. Avoid them like the plague. Homeschool and find natural remedies for your family’s ailments. Simple as that. Education and medicine has been corrupted by the PTB.

              • Mal, how about getting rid of your guns? You’re not really worried about your kids at all if the “lieing” has you perplexed. No guns in your house means no accidents and no lies, problem fixed?

                • NO guns in the citizen’s house = easy target for criminals and for gov’t to control you

                  Oh and btw police won’t get there in time…

                  So no problem not solved but made worse

              • As I like to say…you cant lie to a liar…you cant steal from a thief,and you cant murder a murderer…govt qualifies on all points!

            • I’ll just tell them that I have a slingshot, does that count ?
              I had to sell everything else to buy food to feed myself.

            • My doctor wont ask, he has them too, I know this for fact we frequent the same local gun store..My doctor isnt like all these robots..well at least I hope

              tell your doctor if he asks, you will get another doctor..

              or just lie..i guess lieing these days is something we all can learn from our government, good thing they suck at it

            • The thing is that the bill doesnt have to pass congress,,,
              If you go to your doctor because you are having trouble sleeping and your doc isnt in, is some other quack, and he agitates you in some way and then he reports you to DHS, Guess what,
              Youll get a knock on the door with a federal warrant to search your premis,
              your wife is going through menopause and need to take an anti anxiety pill,,, the doc asks her if there are any guns in the house, she lets slip that yea, my husband has some I think, nest thing you know, KNock knock knock mr soand so we have a search warrant,
              get the drift,,,,,
              suddenly they are not only taking your 2800$ match rifle, but they are also carting away your single shot 22, your old revolver from grandpa, and anything else they deem a threat,
              this is no shit here, this is some serious stuff with serious implications,

              • Going to the woods this weekend with a Bottle of Crown. Gonna build a big fire, put on some War Paint and try to imitate that Hawaiian War Dance. My Redneck buddies will either join in or tote me off to the doc. Then he can ask me if I have any guns, Hahahaha!

                • you gotta get one of those clubs they used to use to bash peoples heads in, that way its authentic,, and dont forget the tea leaf skirt, that one is the most important , OHHHH geeze man put that thing away,,, nooobody wants to see that crap,,, geez
                  tryin to make me go blind,,,,

                  • How about a baseball bat and palmetto leaves. Have to improvise.

            • “To avoid a house to house search, tell you doctor that you do not have any guns because they are dangerous, the next time you go. He will ask.”

              Normally I agree with you DK but I have to say not this time. If your doctor asks, ask back “Why do you want to know that?” Whether he explains or not, tell him you don’t consider that a topic of medical interest.

              NOW is the time to come out of the shadows and start taking the offensive. It’s been said if we’re at the point of hiding our guns we are at the point of using them. Same of hiding our beliefs. We need MILLIONS of gun owners to proudly stand up and refuse, resist, and regain the advantage. I am NOT going to lie about it…I am going to tell them, in polite terms, TO FUCK OFF.

              BTW I am going to change my email sig to Molon Labe. Let’s see that start popping up on millions and millions of emails each day and maybe they will get the idea this isn’t going to be the cakewalk they thought. Just add it. Most won’t know, a few will, and you might get through to a few.

              This is NOT the time to be “preserving” our rights of free speech and gun rights in a jar. It’s time to stand, use them vigorously and say NO MORE.

              We are many, they are few.

              Molon Labe

            • No! Just tell them you don’t answer those questions. Here about 2-3 years ago the nurse stated asking me if I “fell down”, “was afraid to go home” and a couple of other questions. Couple of weeks ago, I said, when I went in for my 6 mos checkup, “I don’t answer those questions” and she said “I understand” and we moved on. just don’t answer the questions….simple.

            • “This Bill will never pass Congress”

              Unfortunately it doesn’t have to. He’ll just sign another E.O. and that will be that. So much of the military is young enough, they don’t realize that it’s anti-Constitutional, and Himself’s new private army that’s “just as well-armed, just as well-funded” is practically made up of CHILDREN themselves. They have been told I have no doubt that an army MUST OBEY ORDERS, so they will. Telling them that excuse was useless at Nuremberg will mean nothing to them at all. Don’t think there’s a way through this without violence; they’ve seen to it there won’t be. Personally I can NOT understand how ANYONE can read the Second Amendment and then totally discount the phrase “shall not be infringed”. ANYONE knows what infringement is – any meddling with it WHATSOEVER – “to pass even the outermost fringes of”. Making sure that guns powerful enough to be useful in a self-defensive situation is beyond doubt or argument INFRINGEMENT. As many if not MOST of the Founders commented and wrote, the Second Amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting or sports. It’s for self-defense of We the People against an over-reaching government! They have stated that outright, as have many other patriots since.

              That so many people suck down this false-flag op as though it was “Gospel Truth” (another phrase I have my problems with) is disheartening. I loathe liars and I DETEST being lied to, especially about something truly important, and my ability to protect my family is damned IMPORTANT! I also detest suicidal stupidity, which is generally driven by laziness, and an inability to see that this is the camel’s nose in the tent, especially after government efforts in this direction in the recent past, is suicidal. There is too damned much history that shows exactly how this works, in what directions the scenarios being offered move and where they end up: squarely at disarmament and then mass murder of the populace. i have no idea any longer about how to awaken those who sleep, so I guess they’ll die in their sleep. I keep recalling an old, old warrior’s maxim: “Those of the Enemy you take with you are your Honor guard in Hell.” It’s usually finished with a statement like, “I intend to RIDE in on their shoulders!”

              As for the Guard and others, I can’t help remembering all I’ve read about things like MK Ultra and all the fascinating mind-control techniques they and others in the field come up with. One was called “brain entrainment”. A pencil-diameter microwave beam is aimed for a set, short amount of time at a certain part of the brain, and suddenly (and permanently) you have a totally vicious, conscienceless soldier who will follow ANY order, especially killing, which he now loves. In fact, the result is a lot like the squad who raped young Abeer and murdered her family in Iraq, then went and made buffalo wings. This is a terrible time, and Evil like few people have seen since the Nazis stalks this world again. They’ve like the vampires in the movies: the damned things never die permanently. So far.


          • When will this planet earth start listening to the wise and help make this earth a better place for all humanity

            Ok – listening to the Wise – wise, by who’s standards ?

            A Better place for all ?? Hmm, Do you think Iraq is a better place these days ? Africa ? Mexico ?

            The point is, these new gun or anti-gun laws would most likely NOT have stopped Adam Lanza from carrying out his attack. This is a chess game scenario, and the opposition has just made a major move, how will the pro-free gunning side of the board respond ?

          • since when is the USA the earth? when will people start to think about what guns and their owners can do instead of about the “right” to have a gun? If the murders of 20 children can’t motivate you gun toting wackos to endorse at least manditory background checks on those wanting to buy guns then you are truly without hope. People are buying guns because they have the “right to” not because they need or want one. How many innocent kids find a hand gun in their home each year and have an accident? Why does anyone need to have more than a hunting riffle? Why do you need an assault riffle that can shoot many rounds per second? Why do you need boxes and boxes of amo? Just because you have the “right to”, not enough…

            • My guns are for defence against people that want to harm mine and take what we have. They are also for Tyrants that think they can put a boot in my face or on my neck “Not going to happen”. As to ammo can’t have enough, how many thugs are going to come to my door, don’t know? and it doesn’t matter what they wear. I want all the rounds I can get.
              Defcon1 out.

            • Understanding the Second Amendment is predicated on a complete understanding of the First Amendment which you seem to enjoy. Read, comprehend and understand the significance of the First Amendment and you will understand two things. Why IT is first and why the Second Amendment is the SECOND one. Two, without the complete freedoms enumerated in the First Amendment, the Second Amendment serves no purpose. The second one ensures the first one will be preserved, at all costs. A gutted Second Amendment will lead to a gutted First Amendment! It was no accident that these are the first two amendments.

            • Think First, apparently you didn’t. Read pretty much ANY of the Founders about why there is a Second Amendment in the first place. Background checks are one thing – if the record that there was one can be reliably lost afterward. Do YOU trust this government to do that? Then there’s registration. Do you think the people who do this kind of thing (break-in robberies) are likely to register a gun? Why do you suppose the government wants universal registration? What has happened historically in totalitarian countries that were once republics after the government knows exactly where every gun is? And THEN what happens?

              Suppose you find yourself facing people who’ve kicked in your door who just ignore the law, dress like a SWAT team, and THEY have automatic weapons. You, meanwhile, are limited to, say, a deer rifle with a 5 round mag and you have to work the bolt to load the next round. (No, this isn’t a fantasy; it has happened). You don’t use a machine gun to hunt; not if you want something left to eat. And if you use a deer rifle for self-defense against people who have automatic firearms, you’d better be DAMNED good, UNBELIEVABLY lucky, and be up against no more than 5 enemies. Otherwise you and likely those you love are going to die. Ah hell; nope. In that case you’re just flat screwed.

              Where guns are concerned, there will always be a possibility that someone will die. Accidents DO happen. Children sometimes do what they’re not supposed to do, meddle with things they’ve been told repeatedly not to touch. On the other hand, leave them in a safe, or have the parts and ammo separated and stored in different rooms, and if you ever need it for defense you’re screwed and may as well not have it at all. So how reliably can you teach a kid to keep his/her hands off? You do your best, you make your choice and what happens happens. Without a firearm though you have NO CHOICE AT ALL.


        • Can’t have a national gun registry without a national ID — which has been their plan all along

          • It’s very simple. DO NOT COMPLY. At all. Never. Come of it what may, I will not be disarmed. There are many that have drawn this line. You better mean it. Don’t be stupid about it either. Get organized, get fit, get ready, remain calm and exercise that brain.

            ΜΟΛΏΝ ΛΑβέ

            • Thats why DHS got all those HP bullets,,,
              they figure we wont comply so as BO said, they will compel us to cooperate. Like they are going to compel the healthcare professionals to be snitches,,
              the AMA needs to denounce that crap and say they are not going to go along with it,,,

              • Too late – I’ve been asked once by my regular civilian doc and once each by two VA docs. All of ’em got their noses caught in THAT door!


            • JoeRepublic, How terse of you. You used three words to state MY personal motto…’ I WILL NOT COMPLY”. Well done.

            • Some of us have only so much choice. I have what I need to hunt with. I also have a wife, 4-6 children (it depends on which set of parents they want to be with at any given moment), and I’ve had 6 back operations, with one or two more coming up shortly. I was Hospital Corps, and a martial artist starting at age 9. Now I need a cane to walk, cannot run, and generally couldn’t put a down-payment on a free meal. I was homeless three times in the decade it took to get a diagnosis and then real treatment from the VA – which I lose periodically, thanks to the insane DEA and the War On Drugs and people in pain.

              I’ll just have to see how it goes down. One way or another I’ll have SOME kind of weapon so that whoever kills me will have to pay for the privilege, even if all I have is a sword. I mean, I’d REALLY rather live and enjoy my family, my garden, playing music on the weekends, taking the wife and kids camping and mushroom picking come Spring… In Nazi America, though, I couldn’t enjoy much of anything anyway. My dad was Aviation Ordnance; he swore me in, and was a Korean War and Vietnam War vet. Mom was a WWI veteran; combat photog, U.S. Army, with time in the European Theater. My younger brother was also Army; Light Weapons Spec., Vietnam Era (like me). The entire rest of my family – uncles, cousins, grandparents, ancestors – all vets, all joined; no draftees. We’ve all loved and served this country. And now they’re telling us that veterans, people who revere the Constitution and are serious about it… are TERRORISTS! They trusted us with some of the most powerful weapons on Earth when we were useful to them. Now even a slight case of depression is enough to forbid us ANY firearms – forever.

              That tells me that the “elites” have bought the government – or the imitation government, since I learned that the D.C. UNITED STATES, INC. is a corporation masquerading as our legitimate government, which it isn’t. So now we do what we can. I can write, so when I can, I write. I want my country back!


          • InsanityISContagious

            Do the illegal alien victims or the EBT criminals have to sign up for a national ID? Oooohhh….sorry. I’m sure I wasn’t supposed to ask that.

          • What do you think your drivers license is? Every DMV is networked.

        • Obama using children as a human shield, weather figuratively or physically, (that function, usually reserved for terrorists), to promote these unconstitutional E.O.s, is obtuse Neosocialist Islamic idealogy that should never be tolerated in America. Watch ur Six <


            BO and his cronies ARE using children as pawns, and EVERYONE of those children is speaking out against guns and gun rights. Talk about slanted, biased BO sh^&. AND I MEAN PURE BIASED BO STICKEN CRAP! How about this one? How about having all those children that still have parents because a firearm saved their mother from being brutally raped and killed, or their father that saved the household from a maniac because he had a firearm. I want to hear from all those children that are grateful that a gun saved their family.

          • Liberals always use children as human shields.

            Except when they’re busy killing them because they’re “just a lump of undifferentiated cells”.

            Which… oddly… a person can get a double homicide for if they kill a pregnant mother…

            Is it a lump of cells or is it whatever you say it is?

            • I wish people would get over this “Liberal” and “Conservative” bullshit! There ISN’T a Liberal OR a Conservative n Washington anymore who’s worthy of EITHER name! There’s “the Government” and there are We the People, who are what the NWO, the Globalists, the Bilderburgers or the “elites” or whatEVER you want to call them intend to destroy, MUST destroy, in order to get where they want to go: world domination. There’s us and them; that’s it. Stop being distracted by words that are meaningless now. Do you care whether you get shot by a Liberal, a Conservative (assuming you can find either anymore) or a Nazi? Does it really make such a difference? BOTH sides of the aisle ignore the Constitution, cheat in the elections, work for the corporations. We no longer have even remotely legitimate elections OR government.


        • When Brobama sends his children, Sheniqua and Tarwala to school without armed guards I might take him more seriously.When he and Bro Holder stop selling guns to illegal Mexican filth while telling me a semi auto is dangerous to possess, I might take da bros more seriously.
          In the meantime, as a 26 year Veteran of the Armed Forces, I still love my counttry and what it USED to stand for. Hopefully we will be able to restore this great land back to that which it once was,LAND of the FREE.

          • Yes I did my part again. I have already done the same via the NRA’s site The Institute for Legislative action.

            Please, everyone do your part and respond via these two sites. It only takes a couple minutes.

            Important point! If you are like me and don’t like giving out your phone number, just put in a single number 10 times and it will go thru.

            If we don’t make a stand now against the tyrants and liberals, they will believe they can ram anything down our throats and we will swallow it, hook-line-sinker.

            Be a patriot and ride out this wave of anti-americanism together; or fall seperately.

            • And if you’re like me and don’t like giving out your email address, make something up. It doesn’t HAVE to be a legitimate address.

        • European American,

          You are absolutely right, also get them to need the government for their free food, free money, free phones, but the price is their souls and the souls of their children. Once they own you, you will accept anything they decide. The majority of the country is made up of needy little sheep who are going willingly to slaughter.

          The intelligent people, the believers in freedom, the believers in the constitution, the ones who question their moves and will not accept the lies that they spew, are the ones who they have targeted as mentally unstable and this is the perfect way to discredit and disarm them. Soon they will have you saluting the dear leader and bowing to false idols in his image. I am serious about that, he believes he is above reproach, above suspicion, above God, he is a sociopathic ego maniac.

          This is not the country that my Mother and Father grew up in, it is unrecognizable. One day America the beautiful will return in her full glory, one day. Try as he may, he will never be able to overcome the good and hope that many of us still have and will hold dear to our hearts and our children’s hearts. In the end good always trumps evil.


            • hey brother ,there are no islands left or no sand to put your head in anymore ,we just happend to get caught in this place in time ,and now we have to deal with it like all the other patriots did when it was there turn to step up to the plate

            • If I can assume that you and your parents are White European Americans – I would say that the reason your parents ‘love’ this Communist piece of totalitarian scum is more than likely related to the fact that they’ve spent the last 50 or more years of their lives with their eyeballs glued to the most powerful, most deadly, most effective and the most evil brainwashing device ever invented by mankind. Their Television. That TV has brainwashed millions of White European people into hating themselves, hating the color of their skin, hating their White European ancestors, and along with being programmed to hate and despise themselves, they have also been taught that the one and only path to absolution is for them to vote for, and blindly support and profess their undying love for this half black guy. His policies and his agenda, which are clearly Communist and totalitarian and which are against every principle that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights were based upon – matters not one bit. It’s his skin color that provides your parents with a sense of ‘absolution’ for the sins of their fathers and their ancestors.

              The insane worship of this dangerous dictator is almost like a soothing narcotic, and millions of otherwise reasonably intelligent White Americans have become addicted to that narcotic. He is like a drug that makes the ‘white guilt’ subside and be replaced by some kind of bizarre sense of euphoria.

              • Tucker: well said truths.

                All I can add is it should be called “Talmudevision” as that is whats been used to cause such white guilt.

                You are very correct on the absolution part also.

                Todays whiteys seek out ways to publicly annouce how NOT a racist they are. And a vote for the halfrican who speaks alot like a smart “white man” is just the ticket to rid them of such ingrained guilt.

                Facts and Truths is the Proper remedy…But even Here with so many wide awake folks…It just aint working to swell…

                When the issue is blacks or Anything talmudic or jewsih related?…..99% of Americans Are 100% Liberals who cannot admit their prior teachings was Wrong.

                This Will cause the total Death of America soon.

                Especially with 1/2 of whites either libs or evangelical defenders of them two groups regardless what facts anyone shows to them. They Will fight Against Us whites,while seeking redemption for white guilt and to defend everything/anything jew related.

                I fear their endings will be far worse due to their lack of ability to admit to factual proven truths.

                Their is ZERO Middle ground in this. Patriot Or Kommie is the two choices and Only two.

            • @

              I know exactly where you are coming from bro. My Mom-n-law has the common sense of a dung beetle. She and her sister are so far up Odrama’s ass they can count his molars. They vote straight demtard tickets, yet say they are christian and against killing the unborn and against homosexuality.

              They say the repubs are for the rich and dems are for the poor and middleclass. I say bull caca, they are all for themselves and their pocketbooks.

              I’m no fan of repubs either but, we have to draw the line somewhere. I don’t see repubs lining up to support killing the unborn, putting queers and Hollywood on a pedestal or passing more laws to undermine the 2nd amendment. If they do, then we the people, should vote them out. It is the lesser of the two evils until we get a third party candidate that can handle the heat and jump into the middle of the ring of fire.

          • hey all you out there..WHO is responsible for now having the “Govm’t of the Govm’t and NEVER MIND the people” ?? You all TOOOO BUSY with your toys, not watching what was happening and NOW U BITCH? Lets see if ur promise of “standing up” are with true bite. Time will tell.

        • I cues the weak will of the peasants got us here incrimentally didn’t it? The same slack jawed hypo-homoginized citizenry who cheat the shopping mantality and dared to looked down on those that were speaking out against the slow boat called tyranny that boarded our shores, while all the while chanting usa, usa…. all for nothing more than to satisfy their disease of ease

          Now you have no one to blame but yourselves.

        • Your credibility sinks when you talk about zionist controlled blah blah blah, do you even know what Zionism is?
          It is the desire to restore the Holy Land to the People Promised that Land in the Bible. If you are Christian, you should read your bible, and if you are Jewish, you should also read your bible. Proud Zionist ! As far as the Psychologist profession, I think that much of it is BS, but some do need and benefit from this, maybe you!

          • Go Read Jeramiah where God tells him to tell the jewsish folks since They voilated Gods covenant so many times God is NO longer Their God and They are No lomger His people and their covenant WILL be replaced by a NEW and Better one…That being the New testement covenant and Christianity.

            Try to read Paul and Peter(?) where they tell us all that there is NO longer ANY advantage to be a jew or isrealite or gentiles…And no advantages to be a Male OR female or fron one nation(ethnos=race) or another nation.

            BECAUSE: he states that the NEW people who ARE of the Promices to Abrham are Christians. And They will share in all the blessings promiced and share in as CO equal Heirs with Jesus Christ in All God promiced to Him regards eteranl salvation etc…Since Christs death Confirmed that Now it is the CHURCH(christians) who are ISREAL.

            There is zero Other or xtra “paths” for jews or anyone else…One way…One saviour…For Everyone and That means jews also.

            You need go read who began modern day zionisim. Study how The same folks invented Comminuisim also.

            Read how Paul warns as does other apostles in the new testement to AVOID Judiazers pastors as they are wolves in sheep clothes and False teachers and all who Fall into their Judiazer Traps WILL LOSE Their Salvation.

            And how once Lost what can be done to Regain it after they Rejected the New Covenant in attepting a Return to the Old one and Judiazim.

            Go do Your homework.

        • I wonder what Henry Bowman might say about this?

          For the uninformed, check out John Ross’s book Unintended Consequences…

      2. *Admin Edit — This post has been moved from a previous thread*

        here’s a breakdown of the Executive Orders Obama signed concerning gun control

        “President’s 23 EO’s
        I havent seen the details of each EO yet, but here is the summary.
        So far seems to be a far more reasonable approach than Emperor Cuomo

        The announcement is over, and Obama is signing the 23 executive actions. These orders are in addition to laws that Obama wants Congress to pass. Here, according to the White House, are what the 23 executive actions will do, without congressional approval:

        1. “Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.”

        2. “Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.”

        3. “Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.”

        4. “Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.”

        5. “Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.”

        6. “Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

        7. “Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.”

        8. “Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).”

        9. “Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.”

        10. “Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.”

        11. “Nominate an ATF director.”

        12. “Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.”

        13. “Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.”

        14. “Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.”

        15. “Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.”

        16. “Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.”

        17. “Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.”

        18. “Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.”

        19. “Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.”

        20. “Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.”

        21. “Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.”

        22. “Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.”

        23. “Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.”


        doesn’t look like anything too earth shattering

        • If one uses critical reasoning skills to dissect the 23 new Executive orders, one would reach the conclusion that they encroach on:

          2A – right to keep and bear arms

          4A – right to privacy

          5A – right to remain silent

          9A – enumeration of right, shall not be construed to deny or disparage rights retained by the people

          10A – powers not delegated by the Constitution are reserved to the States

          Damn near a clean sweep!

          • Agreed.

            • As far as I can see, a doctor can ASK me whatever he wants to, BUT I see nothing (YET) that says I have to answer them. I won’t answer them. I will be much more upset if they decide that I HAVE TO talk to a mental health person for any reason, regardless of the questioning involved.

              • Any Dr who asks me if I have guns in my house will get this response, I bet your wife gives good head. That just ought to about stop the conversation. What do you think ?

                • You’ll be headed to a re-education camp in no time flat.

                  • ya vol mein fuhrer, you Nazi-pinko prick! Get out of our way! You have no money in this game, that’s quite evident!

                • Justice,

                  Yepp that will do-er, if he says yes ask for her phone number, if he says nothing that would explain him working with the goverment..


              • DK is right here. Tell the truth that you don’t because guns are dangerous.

          • Satori with your mindset you would make a fine NRA prez.

            “Looks OK! lets compramise it away little by little”

            • no shit Angel, he might as well turn his ass and any guns in right now. NO balls.

              NO COMPROMISE.

              • Sorry to say folks, Satori’s mentality is EXACTLY what TPTB are hoping for, and I have been afraid of for quite sometime. There has been such a reeducation of our society over the last 4 or so decades that it’s only those of us who are “nutty conspiracy theorists”, “domestic terrorists”, “right-wing extremists” or the like who will NOT COMPROMISE and understands TPTB’s ploys!

                We are in deep, deep trouble and it will remain this way for at least a generation. We will have skirmishes (even small battles) from time to time in different areas of the country for a very long time to come. Think IRA. That is where we are. Our population is too large, and too divided, for this to be a quick and done-with fight.

                We have entered a time that NONE OF US have ever witnessed, only read about. Those of us who are up in age have hoped and prayed that this would NOT happen, but alas – the day has arrived. There will be ‘campaigns’ of retaliation if ObaMao is allowed (by Congress and the Supreme Court) to carry through with his mandates and decrees. And I think we know that neither Congress of the SC will stand on the side of the US Constitution any longer.

                There will be hell, literal hell, in this country. I hate it!!! I deplore that we have been FORCED into such a position!! It makes me simply sick, physically sick. But what else can we do? Can we write our Rep’s? Can we call DC? Can we petition our gov’t for the redress of grievances? Can we depend on our fellow American Patriots or citizens to vote the problems out? HELL NO! We have done ALL of the aforementioned to absolutely NO avail!!! Now what?

                Let me finally say this to answer my own question:
                “Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them.”
                Thomas Jefferson

                … therefore:

                “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
                Thomas Jefferson

                … and if you are against this:

                “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
                Samuel Adams

                AMEN & MOLON LABE!!!

              • Anyone ever see a statute, anywhere in the world, at any time in history, erected in honer of ‘The Great Compromiser’?

                Must be for the same reason that there has never been a statute, anywhere in the world, at any time in history, erected in honer of ‘The Great Looser’!

                ‘Compromise’ is just boiling the frog over an extended period of time.

                • Well said!

          • Well said , you are right !

            • “well said” are you kidding me? statutes being erected? “honor of The Great Looser” James Jr must be 8 years old. Obama was elected as president again, you all voted so quit your bitchin. Anonymous its not the 1700’s anymore. Perhaps in your bunker it is?

          • our gov. passed a few new pro gun laws here in fl in 2011 this is one of them ,so who’s law does the dotor abide by, obuthole’s ,or rick scott’s

            HB-155 Privacy of Firearms Owners by Rep. Jason Brodeur & Sen. Greg Evers to stop pediatricians from invading privacy rights of gun owners and bringing anti-gun politics into medical examining rooms was signed into law June 1, 2011 and took effect IMMEDIATELY

          • Countdown to tyranny. Our economic and financial power were taken away. Now our rights are being taken away. Retroactive laws are now OK.

            Next, the government will cannibalize everyone and fall in on itself.

        • Agreed. Many of these appear to be rather minor. Personally, my concern is regarding the attention that our legislative resources are giving to this topic when there are other “killers” out there. More children are killed through non-firearms than are killed as a result of firearms. I believe that more attention to child abuse, neglect, hunger/starvation, drunk driving, etc., would be a better use of our time.

          What I don’t understand is why nobody has challenged this attention on the basis of race yet? Newtown, Aurora, Columbine, Blacksburg (Virgina Tech), all are places of high middle class to upper middle class whites. When white kids are killed in a tragedy, the media and the lawmakers start trying to take action to appease the voters. When children of ALL races are killed by child abuse, drunk driving, neglect, hunger/starvation, etc., where is the attention?

          • To me, if “gun control” is really a serious issue, then, Fast and Furious aside, why is attention not being focused on the inner cities of this country, and the overwhelming, illegal possession and use of firearms?
            Really, if the death rate resulting from the use of firearms is to be reduced, then why not start there, instead of concentrating on law-abiding citizens who acquire their weapons legally, for whatever reasons that suit them?
            We, as American citizens, are assured by our second Constitutional Ammendment, the right to keep and bear arms to fight the tyranny of government.
            So, okay, Government, if you want to stop all the horrible killing, start with the gangs and criminals, not with the rest of us who simply want to live our lives in peace and safety.

            • Its not about controling the violence, its about rendering us less of a threat, anyone can turn an ar or ak full auto with a dremel and some parts, these guys are screwing the country and think they can just pull our plug and well shut down, personally i run on pure hatred

              • @Kulafarmer.
                The act of turning an AR or Ak into a FULL AUTO can not be accomplished correctly without a machine shop.
                If you do manage to get the weapon to slam fire you can destroy the weapon and cause major bodily injury to yourself.
                Just saying.

            • The answer to why not the inner cities is: The mayors and councilmen are democrates and the administration can’t say anything poorly about their brethren. That tree of Liberty is in need of replenishing. Lets make it with more tyrants than patriots;)

            • start with the gangs and criminals
              The problem stems from disrespect of the marriage bed. Children of single parents are more at risk!

              “Most kids who are raised by single parents turn out OK. The flip side of that coin is kids who are raised in single-[parent] families are two to three times more likely to drop out of high school, for instance,” Wilcox said, adding that boys raised in single-parent families are more than twice as likely to be arrested by age 30.”

              The United States Government is too gutless to drill down to the real cause of the problem that creates most of the gangs and criminals. The government penalizes marriage and rewards the licentious reproduction of children out of marriage to be raised in single parent homes with HUD Housing and other benefits that are taken away as soon as mama marries boyfriend.

              Once conceived I believe a child has the right to life, but what gives an unwed mother the right to keep that child no matter what with the child’s increased chance of becoming a gang member and criminal? The government should encourage marriage instead of discourage it. The government should fine Hollywood for each and every movie they produce that encourages immoral behavior allowing the fines to go towards providing for these children born out of wedlock instead of taking our tax money to provide for them.

              For seven women will take hold of one man in that day, saying, “We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name; take away our reproach!” Isaiah 4:1

              “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

              p.s. Immature punks disrespect the marriage bed. Unfortunately, I can say that because once upon a time I sadly was one until I found secondary virginity and became a man suitable to be a husband and a father.

              “Like a gold ring in a pig’s snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.” Proverbs 11:22 With Hollywoods influence our nation creates a ton of women with no discretion. Our culture is morally bankrupt. Women who disrespect the marriage bed easily end up being a single mom with uncle sugar daddy government playing an all too often role as inadequate father. And, unfortunately too many boys are raised to be immature punks violating the marriage bed instead of learning to become mature men able to father and raise children to become good citizens raised in a country where the lawful ownership of guns would never become considered a problem.

              These words may be totally unpopular, but their proof is all too evident all across this land called America. Start with the gangs and criminals is a good clarion call, but the only way they will be fixed is by demanding children be raised in a healthy and moral two parent home.

          • Child abuse?

            You’d have to blame criminals then.

            Can’t have that, God knows.

            If they do start looking into it instead, I’d have to say I’d want a really high burden of proof going on that one.


          • THE REASON IS THEY ARE PREPARING FOR SOMETHING BIG SOON. THEY HAVE BOUGHT ABOUT 2 BILLION RNDS OF ILLEGAL AMMO, THEY HAVE BEEN SETTING UP STAGING AREAS ALL OVER THE U.S. BY THE THOUSANDS TO PREPARE FOR INSTABILITY. SEVERAL FINANCIAL ANYLIST HAVE BEEN PREDICTING A U.S. COLLAPSE FINANCIALLY and in the world. i think they are ready to start mass reduction in population. i believe the viruses are just around the corner and this one will make look like a kook, but i am 100% convinced this killing of the kids in newtown was a government psy op. it had to be, this is playing out text book for such an operation. and if you people think our government is above such a thing, you have studying to do.

          • This sets the precedent for further EO action. Dear Leader WILL NOT be denied his birthright.

        • That’s because it’s all fluff, as his opening line states it all: “In the days ahead I intend to use whatever weight this office holds to make them a reality.”

          In other words, if Congress doesn’t ban them I will through Executive Order.

          • key word there Navy Vet…I

        • read number 4 again. There are alot of things they can do with that one.
          “After further review, the AG has deemed that if youare (fill in the blank) you are not going to pass the background check.
          Think it wont happen???????????????

          • @Porchdog

            I admit some of my comment was over the top, however I make no apologies as it was all based in fact.

            “Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered In US War And Occupation Of Iraq 1,455,590” But they were all combatants right?

            Just because your not smart enough to face the reality that you were sold a dream and lied to, is on you.

            Such as: Gulf of token false flag, agent orange, gulf war syndrome, 9/11, Bin laden BS. I could do this all day…

            I normally wouldn’t do this but for you big mouth I will make an exception… I live at 33447 West Thorner Road, Pearl River, LA 70452

            Come by anytime….

            Put up or stfu…


            • Porchdog…maybe you ought to STFU and leave GoKill alone before it all goes horribly wrong for you……

            • NoKill,
              A little too close to the interstate to be a real prepper if you ask me. Or is that where the disinformation HQ is? I bet you drive a Government motors truck and have a “chute em” sticker on the back window next to your pink fluer de li fish, deer, duck sticker. Probably ran out and got you a saints license plate after they were GIVEN a superbowl win by the nfl. I thought my people (Louisianians)were smarter than to put thier address out on the net, if that is your address.
              Any way, have fun after the collapse being over run by biloxi, slidell, N.O., B.R., and Hammond. Great choice of location, surrounded by welfare people. The deer will be all shot within a week of the collapse and your pond looks too nasty for even a berkey to clean. See, if you werent so arrogant as too call troops baby killers, I could have possibly been an asset to you, due to the fact that we dont live that far apart. Oh well, good luck
              Stay on your side of the swamp and I will stay on my side.
              “the edge of chaos”??? Really. Have you ever managed to cross into total chaos? I doubt it or you would understand what goes on there and not take the side of someone no different than the peacenicks of the 60s.

            • Sorry, but if that’s ur real address, then you’re a total idiot!! What kind of security measure is that???

        • Marc this was an incredibly poor headline you wrote.

          None of obama’s 23 inept piece of crap move to ban the production of semi automatic weapons, hi cap magazines and there was nothing in their about mandatory universal registration.

          I’ve already evaluated all 23 pieces of crap he put out and its meaningless dribble except its decisively anti gun and going to pay for research by academics that are seriously anti gun. But that headline is way off base since none of these 23 items do what you called for. Now he may have asked congress to do what you wrote, but it would take congress to do it – and they won’t.

          • What happens when the CDC needs more information to comprehensively study gun violence? Background checks suddenly need to be kept longer than 90 days?
            Incrementally register everything and the next time a police chief states “no one will be allowed to be armed” the list is readily available?
            NO THANKS!!

          • Jim, just a little nudge in the right direction.

            This has been going on for a hundred years, just a little push this way.

            Look where we are at.

            • Oh don’t get me wrong – I AM NOT defending o’failures 23 antics one bit. I’m just saying that none of these 23 stupid little things is creating a gun ban, stopping the manufacture of guns or magazines, or even requiring a registration. I’d be the first to scream to high heaven if he did try such crap by EO.

              The sheeple should see o’failure for that which he is with these. NOT ONE of these “efforts” would have stopped Arora, NOT ONE would have stopped Newtown, but low and behold we HAVE evidence of what did stop PORTLAND and of course that’s ignored (nice other topic here on SHTFPlan.com). That is the kind of headline we need – that is the information we need to combat this POS we have as a loser in charge right now. Calling out that POS for these 23 antics with mislabled headlines like this does not help our cause.

              Bad Marc…no biscuss – still love the site man.

        • Five idiots so far…

        • Satori: I believe you are just being sarcastic and folks here mistook your commmets. If however, you are serious, allow me to make things a bit more clear. What Obama and company are doing is calling their plan “proposals”, as though they intend to have some sort of give and take discusssions with all the interested parties. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is a very subtle form of incrementalism, where things get done in easy ‘bite-size’ pieces. The GDP (Genreally Dumb Public) takes these proposals as pretty much as facts and accepts them as the new reality. “After all”, they say, “it’s only a small matter”. And each and every time one little piece of their plan falls into place until the whole plan is fianlly implemented to their satisfaction and we are left with nothing. TPTB have learned their lessons the hard way and they suspect that if they implement too much too soon that their could some serious push-back. You drop a frog into a pot of boiling water and it will jump out to save itself. But put that same frog into a pot of water and slowly heat it up and the frog takes little notice of the ever increasing heat until it’s too late. That’s the plan this time, to slowly cook us until we’re done. I hope this clears things up.

          • I’m not sayin’

            sometimes I like to throw a bomb and run……

        • Ok, let’s look at each of this in the context of how will this administration, or any other, use them:

          1.) The VA will now give a veteran a prescription, then report it to the NICS database. Instant disarming of veterans.

          2.) Remove the requirement for adjudication to be listed as mentally ill, just whatever the state says.

          3.) Either the state reports what we want the way we want it, some of the money is going to quit.

          4.) The Attorney General is unelected, and not responsible to anyone. Do you think Holder is capable of honesty? Do you doubt he would create categories out of whole cloth?

          5.) If the gun is being returned, no crime was committed and it legally belongs to him. OK, do a NICS check, then give it back, without the additional delay this seems to call for.

          6.) Sounds innocent enough, I don’t have a problem with it. Is this going to include transfers between family members? Or just sales?

          7.) Hope you like anti-gun propaganda, because that’s what this will be. Do you really think Eddie Eagle is going to be coming to our school systems?

          8.) Sounds OK, but the door is open (sorry), for declaring existing safes and locks substandard. Care to replace your $1500 safe with a $2500 safe? Wonder if insurance will cover a loss from a ‘substandard’ safe?

          9.) Sounds OK to me.

          10.) Sounds OK to me, but why not a database of stolen firearms so anyone can check it out?

          11.) The ATF hasn’t had a Director for several years, sounds like they don’t need one too badly. Waste of money and we’ll get an Obama lapdog at the top of the agency. Wonder how that will work out for gun owners?

          12 and 13.) Should have done years ago, nice of you to wait until the kids got killed before doing it.

          14.) They will just tell us it’s our fault and gun control is the answer, cloaked in ‘Medical professionals say…”

          15.) Microprinting, anyone? Palm-print readers on your pistol? RFID safeties? Whatever they dream up, they can require, possible or not.

          16.) Take your kids in for flu shots, and its “Do Mommy and Daddy have any guns at home?” I guarantee this one will happen.

          17 to 23.) Sounds alright to me. But I do ask, if that was all that was standing in the way of keeping crazies from getting guns, I’d like to know why you waited until the kids were killed.

        • Satori,

          Doesn’t look to earth shattering to you. Really now maybe you should read between those lines.

          How these decrees can be used to destroy much of our 2nd amendment rights:


          1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

          – What this means:
          This will set the stage for medical records getting reviewed by the various agencies of the federal government.

          2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

          – What this means:
          A: Remove state barriers to sharing medical records with the various agencies of the federal government.
          B: Opening a path for insurance companies to require special plans for gun owners. Sounds expensive.

          3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

          – What this means:
          Bribe states to provide medical records to the various agencies of the federal government. Wavers, grants, you name it – they’ll use tax-dollars creatively.

          4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

          – What this means:
          All that information they will be collecting in sections 2-3? This will be used to part as many people as possible from their second amendment privileges.

          5. Propose rule-making to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

          – What this means:
          If the authorities take possession of a weapon, they can check medical records to discover reasons to never return it.

          6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

          – What this means:
          “Encourage” the sporting goods chains and big-box stores to consult these newly collected records for reasons to deny a sale. Expect “Guidance” to become

          “Require” shortly after the next shooting.

          7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

          – What this means:
          Your tax dollars will be used to manufacture a publicly funded Anti-NRA.

          8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

          – What this means:
          Lean on producers of gun locks and gun safes. This will make them more expensive. Recall that many states have regulations w/regards to weapon storage. The idea is to increase the up-front expense of owning a firearm.

          9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

          – What this means:
          The various federal agencies will use this as an excuse to pilfer the records of FFL license holders when a weapon they sold is used in a crime. De-facto registration.

          10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

          – What this means:
          You lost your AR-15 in a tragic boating accident and reported it stolen? Now they can easily check if you are in violating USC, Title 18, Section 1001.

          11. Nominate an ATF director.

          – What this means:
          I’m positive Obama will select a true champion of gun rights.

          12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

          – What this means:
          Unless they are going to arm groups 2-3, don’t expect much here beyond suspensions for playing cowboys and Indians. It’s not in their interest to meaningfully stop gun-violence.

          13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

          – What this means:
          Expect every trivial violation of federal gun law to be pursued with all the forgivness, mercy, compassion, and tenderness of a bull shark.

          14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

          – What this means:
          Concoct a list of every possible medical condition, drug, or mental health issue that can be used as rational to deny sale of /seize weapons.

          15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

          – What this means:
          Pressure to coerce firearm manufacturers into neutering products. May be a framework for mandatory regulations down the road. Might also be a womb for litigation should the companies ignore these “suggestions.”

          16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

          – What this means:
          Re-writing the Affordable Care Act to remove language inserted by Harry Reid w/regards to health records. This should not be possible through executive order. Unless congress will impeach, and senate will convict, will happen regardless.

          17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

          – What this means:
          Informing doctors they have permission to ignore the law. Should make for plenty of fun litigation down the road. Any Dr. taking this advice had better have insurance up to date and attorney on speed-dial.

          18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

          – What this means:
          Unless these “officers” are armed, consider them nothing more than feel-good C.Y.A anti-gun propagandists. As well as mandatory reporters if they can coax a child into talking about parental firearms.

          19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

          – What this means:
          C.Y.A. Dog squat. Will provide a nice excuse to militarize the various federal agencies though. Expect more RFP’s for Dept. Edu Remington 870′s.

          20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

          – What this means:
          Expand medical coverage to a positively dazzling number of mental health ailments. Which will be recorded, and used as a reason to deny/seize firearms.

          21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

          – What this means:
          Provides a pretext to implement 1, 2, 3, 16, 17, 20, 23. Legality questionable. Will be challenged the second someone has proper standing. In several years.

          22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

          – What this means:
          See 21.

          23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

          – What this means:
          Demonize and propagandize a wide swath of mental issues, illnesses, and medications to squelch the outcry when they start disarming people.


      3. In Texas we have our own law it’s called “COME AND TAKE IT!”

        • TEXAS!!!!!!!!!


        • Correction, Come and try to take it:)

        • same here.

          i dont fit the stereotypical Texan, but I sure am glad I live here.

          and i’m more than happy to sit and listen to country music all night long if everybody else there is packing heat and daring anyone to come by and tell them to give it up.

          • You Texans are so full of shit and hung up on yourselves. In Texas if you carry a loaded gun in your glove compartment and get caught you will be thrown in jail. Hell, you can’t even carry one loaded, on the front seat without getting busted. What kind of gun freedom is that? In Louisiana I was stopped once with a loaded gun (full magazine) and the cop chewed my ass out because I didn’t have a round in the chamber. Now that’s gun freedom.

            • I agree with Roger and am tired of this endless Texas BS, I hear about how great Texas gun laws are then I read their law and wonder what all the grandiose bragging is about. When you Texans need a break from enjoying the smell of your body gases come over to Florida and learn what good gun laws look like.

              Roger, keep a look out, you can tell a Texan from us by looking at the cowboy boots….on our boots the BS is on the outside.

              • Roger you are full of SH**. Texas “Castle Law” applies to your vehicle. You can have a loaded firearm in your vehicle, just not in plain sight. In plain sight is considered open carry and is illegal. Pick your true enemies Roger. Now is not the time to be pissing off your allies.

                • Open carry should be legal everywhere..any law against it is an Infringement..period..

                  • Thats why i want to get the hell off this rock

              • You are an ASS! You probably don’t know the first thing about a cowboy or his boots.
                Keep lippin’ it fucktard.

                • thats real smart, lets just kill each other off, then the libtards can finish the job. we all need to be allies.

                • I might know something about it considering I retired to Florida from Montana. As you may know Montana is a western state; unlike Texas which is a central state. I think it was John Steinbeck who wrote in “Travels With Charlie”: ‘Montana is so beautiful,it’s what you would think Texas was like when you hear Texans talk about Texas.’
                  The only west you have id El Paso, the rest is scrub and dirt farms (nice dirt farms) but farms.

                  • Chris
                    why in hell would you retire to a state full of yankee liberals and leave such a wonderful place???


            • Roger,
              You’re wrong about Texas’ gun laws. You are allowed a loaded rifle and/or a handgun(handgun must be hidden) in your auto and you’re allowed to carry a rifle in public. Handguns, outside your auto, require a CCPermit

            • Roger, it has been legal in Texas to keep a loaded gun in your car whether you have a permit or not for several years. Check your facts and your piehole.

            • It is you that is full of shit… With that statement, it shows you know NOTHING about Texas gun laws.

              But, now that we freinds, you think we should stick together about the coming Gun Control or hang Seperately?

            • Roger,

              before you go popping off about TX you better do some studying, because you are so wrong..

              Texas Motorist Protection Act
              In 2009 the Texas legislature passed HB 1815, also known as The Motorist Protection Act (MPA). The bill affects the Penal Code, allowing citizens to carry a handgun “inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person’s control”, providing:

              •the handgun remains concealed
              •the person is not engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic
              •the person is not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm
              •the person is not a member of a criminal street gang

              Prior to the passage of this bill it was illegal to have a handgun in your car unless you were traveling or directly en route to a location for hunting or a shooting sports event. The definition of “traveling” was never clearly spelled out and was determined by case law. All this means that a citizen that meets the above four exemptions and is not licensed to carry a concealed handgun can keep a loaded handgun in their vehicle, but there are a few things that you should consider.

              Lock it up!

              First, secure your gun when leaving your vehicle. You can’t take it with you unless licensed to carry, and the glove box or console isn’t enough to keep it from being stolen should your car be broken into. Install a small safe or lock box that bolts to the floor or locks with a chain or cable to the seat or body of the vehicle somehow. Make it as difficult to walk away with as you possibly can. Don’t put guns into the hands of criminals.

              Keep it out of sight!

              When driving you can keep it at the ready, but be smart about it. Don’t put it in the glove box on top of your insurance card, in case you are stopped by the police for a traffic violation. The officer probably won’t have much of a sense of humor about an incident like that. Don’t take it to the full service car wash, where an attendant may find it while detailing the interior of your car. It shouldn’t be seen by anyone, anywhere. If someone sees it you may be reported to the police, or worse.

              Federal property!

              Any federally-owned property such as the post office (including the parking lot) is off-limits. Certain state parks in Texas are Army Corps of Engineers projects and therefore Federal land, and off-limits. You are not violating any state laws here, but Federal law applies. Do your homework and know before you get there.

              Employer parking lots!

              If your employer has a “no weapons” policy prohibiting you from having a weapon in your car while in the parking lot you could be fired if you get caught, but it may even be enforceable by state or federal law depending on where you work. Again, do your own research and know for sure what you’re doing.

              Police interaction!

              Just remember, that as long as you meet the four exemptions listed above you aren’t doing anything wrong. Don’t be nervous. Be polite, and follow the officer’s instructions. You are not required to notify the officer that you have a weapon in your vehicle, unless you are licensed to carry it. Don’t blurt out “I have a gun in the car!” Just behave yourself.

              I strongly urge anyone who can legally and responsibly carry a handgun for their own protection apply for a Concealed Handgun License and do so. But until you take that step, the MPA allows you to protect yourself in your vehicle as if you were in your own home. Be smart and cautious, and be safe.

              Know your shyt before you speak,


              • Texas Infringents on your 2nd amendment rights.., open carry Legal per 2nd amendment
                Concealed carry..legal..see bill of rights..”shall not be infringed”

                what part of shall not be infringed is so hard to understand?

                If I want to fucking wear it on my dam forhead I should be allowed to do so..

                • CPL, CCW..permits to carry,.are.INFRINGEMENTS!

                  • Agreed! 100%

                    I took the CCL class after dropping the $50.00 to do so.

                    Afterwards, I thought about it. Why do I need a permit and my name put into a database to do what is clearly legal for me to do already. My reasoning is that it is another way to “control and hassle” the masses by TPTB.

                    I said f ’em. I don’t want my name tied to any permit that is trying to say I didn’t have the legal right in the first place. Also, by having the permit and having a handgun in the vehicle; if you are pulled or go thru a check point/road check/license check you are then required by law to make that LE officer aware that you have both. F… that too. It is not any of LE’s business what, if any, weapons I’m carring in my personal vehicle as long as I’m not commiting any crimes.

              • I dont understand all this stupit laws that no one is allowed to see u have a gun? whats the point if u are allowed to own a gun why shoud u hide it? so u are allowed to own a gun just as long as no one ever see it or they wil call the police? and tell them what? that u have a gun and u are doing nothing wrong?

              • To DPS,
                Thank you for the update. My “popping off” as you called it is based on actual personal experience. A number of years ago (several years prior to 2009), I actually lost (had confiscated) a 1911 and a nice Bowie knife and spent the night in Harris county lockup because I was “caught” with the 1911 in my glove compartment by an over exuberant puffed up cop who knew nothing about either the 2nd or 4th amendments. I was doing nothing more than driving home from work. In the end, that cost me well over $800.00 in fines and court costs and I never did get my gun or knife back. I left Texas and have no intentions of returning. I currently do not live there and was not aware of their updated gun laws. Thank you for the update.

            • @Roger….

              You don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s perfectly legal to carry a loaded handgun in the car as long as it is concealed. Having it in open view on the seat just might get you arrested. It’s a strange law I know…but it is what it is. It has to do with the Texas “Castle Law”. In effect, your car becomes an extension of your home. (with the exception of having a loaded pistol in open view)

              If I’m not mistaken, I think during hunting season, you can’t have a loaded rifle in the passenger compartment either. But that has to do with road-hunters. The assumption is, if the rifle is loaded, you’re road-hunting…which is highly illegal.

              • Not a reply to Walt, just to the general TEXAS subthread. I grew up in Texas and still have fond memories. However, the last time big talk happened, TEXAS bent over like a 3 dollar hooker. TSA anyone?

                Texas is still in my top 7 states, but I don’t hold allusions anymore.

                • * illusions

            • dont sound like ya guys make a good pimple on fl. ass ,we are able to carry it anywhere in our vehicle as long as its covered up ,loaded w/one in the pipe ,same on our person loaded w/one in the pipe ,after all what good is it ,if aint ready ta go ,and you dont have to give any discloser to a law officer unless he ask ,and we have a stand your ground law ,AND WE DO!

        • MOLAN LABE!

        • Mclivin, so far Florida is a constitution friendly state but we are closer to NY than TX so the disease may travel to our state at some point. Question for you and all Texans: Do you folks welcome Law abiding gun owner and his family to your state who works 60 hrs per week, not on EBT and free phone, 100% loyal to the republic and the constitution and a firm believer that right for self defense and the loved ones is not given by any human but the almighty creator?

          • Tactical,

            You would be more then welcome to TX, we all like to play hard and work hard, yes sir you would be welcome in my camp.. But you gotta BYOB.. LOL


            • Thanks DPS. You got it brother, I’ll bring my own BOB. lol


            • Hey DPS, my husband and I also have most of the qualifications Tactical wrote about. Except my husband is a reloader and also brews his own “stuff”. Just last week he mentioned we might have to move to Texas. Got room for 2 more?

              • GRITS,

                Come on down hell lets throw some red meat on the fire and compare notes on reloading. Might even need to sample some of that home brew. People may bytch about Texans but it just because deep down inside they want to be a cowboy.. I’m Texan but on a steel horse I ride..Outlaw our guns and I guess we will be outlaws..


                • well there goes the neighborhood!!

        • Ooh-rah!

      4. The Devil is in the Details…War Continues!

        • Wow, there goes angie again. These “facts” are made up in your bi polar little brain. Is Angie trying to make us look retared and nuts? Are Angies quotes designed to be repeated by libs to give the impression we are all unhinged. Keep it up, you are killing the cause. 30 up votes at the time of my writing? This is getting funny.

          • Orifice (asshole) Piss Off.

            • I thought you were done talking to me? Piss off? That’s all you can say for yourself? Hahahahahahaha. Don’t start going junior high.

        • Running scared, are you?

          • Orifice must have skipped the bible parts in Duet or leviticus where God commands the Isrealites to NOT FUCK ANIMALS like the CANNANITES DID! IE Cannan=Todays Africans.

            I never said I believe in darwin evo crap and never said blacks came from apes…Why do you keep tagging along behind me and harrass me so much asshole.

            • Nope. You described evolution. You are going to hell.

      5. The NWO has arrived, “Joy through Work” is next. What are you going to do?

        • “Work will make you free’.

          • The original is” Arbeit Macht Frei”. It was the sign posted above the concentration camp entrance.

            If you think that this fascist in the white house is NOT going to disarm every single one of his opponents, you deserve to go to the chambers he will very shortly be constructing for you.

            • Libertain
              you are so wrong,,those chambers are already built ,,,check your local FEMA camp


              • Snake is correct!

                • Gunsmith
                  we have already reconed three camps two in south carolina and the big one in south florida,,florida tooe 2 and a half days to go completely around it,,but we did do it in a snake crawl,,,


                  • Snake

                    Copy that, sir!

                    What was your impression of their security procedures/arrangements?

                    Did you observe any vehicles on patrol?

                    What was the estimated ‘kill-zone’ distance from the guard towers to the tree line?

                    Were the towers manned/fortified…how was their perimeter lighting?

                    …we need to talk sometime.

              • snake hit the nail on the button……and if you live on a military base you might want to look up the fema detention camps because most of them are on there

            • I disagree–he’s doing as puppet is told.
              I think he will get the disarmament started; then he’s going to greener pastures whether it be UN or other country.
              I see the next selected president disarming the people.
              Then the dance begins.

              • Libertarian,

                I have been to a concentration camp in Germany when I was a soldier there. Let me tell you, the place still stunk in the 80’s. Once the people are disarmed, and the second ammendment removed, there is nothing to stop the rest of the ammendments and entire Constitution from being dismantled. I have been to a real concentration camp, my unit’s preacher made us go, and I will not get on the bus.

                Keep your powder dry,

                • “I will not get on the bus”

                  There it is right there.

                  Folks…think it through and make your decisions in your mind before you’re actually called upon to make them.

          • ARBIET MACHT FREI. Regretfully the names of American cities will join the ranks of the infamous like Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Auchwitz, Ravensbroock and Sorbier. Christ help us all.
            Doesn’t anybody see the storm on the horizon? It’s gonna get bad, real bad. The wheels are in motion and this train is rolling down hill without any brakes. Stop whisteling while you pass the grave yard. Organize in you community while there is still time.

      6. To quote My Beloved Mother:

        Never Turn in Your Guns.


        The day you do is the day you acknowledge a power higher then your God that gave you your Freedoms!!!!

        • @Twisted Titan (Simon The Patriot)

          Thank you for you inspiring me to find my favorite music video of all time, that was pulled from youtube a year ago, and is now back…

          Metallica – Don’t Tread On Me (With Redcoats)


          Thanks BROTHER!

          • Happy to oblige

            Watch your 6ix and God save The Republic.

      7. I was at my Aunt’s gun shop visiting with her when the news came in that the NYS Assembly had passed the Governor’s proposed gun control. At that moment I no longer felt like a citizen of my own country. I will now be forced to sell or alter the magazines I own so that I can move from 10 rounds to 7. I now have to register every gun I own that meets the governments list of arbitrary rules. Today is a sad day for New York. The Governor has actually promised that violent gun crime will go down if the law was passed, what an ego! I am confused, should I send my guns out of state, hold onto them and tell the government to kiss my ass. Move out of state my self? Most I talked to last night were in disbelief. For myself, I have just had it with politicians pushing legislation behind closed doors in midnight sessions with no public input. We no loner live in a democratic society, were one is free to choose for themselves what is best. This weekend my wife and I are going south of our border into northern PA to look at houses. I guess all options are still on the table. Well, rant off for now. Clay

        • @Claymation:

          “I am confused, should I send my guns out of state, hold onto them and tell the government to kiss my ass. Move out of state my self?”

          No, yes, and if you can afford it, yes.

          One small step for the Dictator in Chief, one giant leap for Tyranny in America.

          Only the beginning. No way will it stop here. Watch for more in the coming months.

          • contact your local malitia and ask what you and they can do about this declaration of war.

            • Militia in NY? Get out of town!

              • Yeah, Come on down on Northeast airlines.

                That’s the Ticket. ;0)

        • One word: leave.

        • How many states are you going to run to?

          • Exactly! Where will it end?

        • vote with your feet.

        • I saw CuomoStien on tv when he was Screaming his speech for antigun laws in NY.

          he stated “We will Prove NY IS THE CAPITOL OF PROGRESSIVES in Amereica(or nation? cant recall exact wording).

          Thats what its about for the libs in NY…

          What we got now is like Two JEW Mafias..

          NY=Zionist JEW neocon libs and dem kommie libs.

          KALIF= Bolshevik JEWS Kommies more like Marx.

          BOTH are competing for Total Kontrol much like a NY mob mafia vs. Al Capones mob in Chicago.

          Regardless which wins, ALL america will be detroyed when BOTH KOMMIE JEW groups UNITE as ONE to Finish off their grand kommie/protocal.marxist scheemes to destroy All white christian nations so Their Jew antichrist can arise in Power.

          • Just wondering if you were born with a swastika birthmark or if you had to go get the tattoo?

            • Angie has the sign of the devil. Angie is a lib pretending. I am warning everyone. Angie will be quoted during an anti gun speech. Angie will turn out to be a bitch who doesn’t shave her pits.

              • Only criminals like al capone and the shapeshifting mustafa could pull this off. guns work against the reptilians and shapeshifters.

              • Only criminals like al capone and the shapeshifting mustafa could pull this off. guns WONT work against the reptilians and shapeshifters.

          • Ummmmm you do know Jesus is a Jew dont you Angelo?

          • You’re a dumb ass. Try being more rational and bring a little logic to the discussion. By the way – last I heart Cuomo is a catholic.

        • Claymation

          The signs entering Pennsylvania say, “America Starts Here”. If you can move do so.

          In the end the Governor will be doing you a favor. You and your wife can get a carry permit in Pa.

          • Hi Kev, Exactly. There are a couple small towns just south of me in PA 50 mins or so down the road. Still puts us close to family. My wife has family south of the border. They still consider themselves Ridge Runners lol… my kind of people. Clay

        • @Claymation

          This isn’t a Democracy, its a Republic. I would rather an Unarmed Constitutionalist move to Iowa than an armed ignoramus.

          Please stay out of Iowa. We’re praying for the earthquake that will blow all Mississippi Bridges…No offense.

          – Territorial Father

          • Iowa,
            One quick correction: our country WAS a Constitutional Republic, however, we have devolved into a democracy, which is a nice way of saying “rule by the mob”, which in the case of the U.S is the leaches, the “free lunch” crowd, and the libtards.

            Romney was right . . . it’s hard for small government conservatives to get elected when 47% of the country gets a check from the government.

          • It’s supposed to be a republic, but it doesn’t even resemble one anymore.

        • Move out of state to someplace that respects your rights and is filled with like minded people….do it while you still can.

        • Consider moving west of the Missisippi.

        • Good for you – that has to be hard to do. Rent first just in case it spreads like the disease it is.

        Obituary: The most recent death-rattle of our Constitutional Republic was heard yesterday in New York. I grieve for my fellow American Patriots knowing that they have all become criminals yet again in the eyes of their Statist Government handlers and so-called “Representatives”.
        When it becomes necessary may The Three Percent rise again and free all of our Brothers and Sisters from this tyranny.

        • I can’t wait to see the stats on crime with guns next year!!!

          • I can they won’t be pretty.

          • crime or self defense?

            • Good point..but the New York crime rate including guns.

              • They will just doctor the statistics to reflect whatever they want.

        • New York the Empire State” You people need to kick the Kommies to the Curb,,And then call it the Empire Strikes Back State! How about That?
          Semper Fi

          • “Empire State Strikes Back” Love it!

      9. Banning military-style weapons and large capacity mags? What about the ones people already own? Registration or confiscation, I suppose.

        • if you are talking about the New york state new gun laws. you either have to sell it out of state, modify it to only hold 7 or less bullets, or turn it in to the police. and that goes for all magazines.

          if you are talking about the gun laws that obama wants to push threw. if you own it you can keep it. if you want to sell it you can you just have to go to the atf transfer to the new party if they pass a background check. all weapons and magazines are grandfathered in. but no new ones are created.

          if you are talking about that bitch fiestein gun law. they are grandfathered in, but must be registered with the atf, and is not transferable to anyone else but the government. so if you own a ar-15 once you die your family must turn it in to the atf.

          • Hey, I know how to moodify your 30 round magazine to accept 7 rounds..

            stuff it with 23rounds to plug it.

            • Ha ha ha!!!

          • Until the next Sandy Hoax. After that, the NY gun grab will look harmless.

        • Russia Style.

      10. Clay

        Don’t fall for their FEAR tactics. Don’t move out of the State. Don’t register your guns. Align yourself ONLY with the CONSTITUTION. That is where the line between right and wrong has been drawn. The Constitution was cognized through Divine Intervention, at least in my humble opinion. Side with that which serves the greater good for mankind. You will find that you are far from being alone. The masses will rise and unite. Stay centered and keep your cool, and, by all means stay put and stay within arms reach of your weapons. Remember, we live in a War Zone, so ALWAYS stay alert. Your life depends on it.

        • EA, Thanks for the words of support. Sorry to get off topic, and I hope you are tracking this comment. What do you make of the Germans and now the Dutch wanting to repatriate their Gold but more importantly to me, do you think Silver also follow Gold? Just lookin’ for an opinion. Clay

      11. “President Obama has moved to introduce new legislation”

        What specific legislation has been introduced, give me the bill ##.
        Secondly, Harry Reid has stated that he does not have the votes (in a Democrat controlled senate) to enact any type of gun control legislation, and that anything the Senate might pass will never get through the House. That being said don’t you think you’re over the top? Nothing has been submitted. Save the sensationalism for when it is necessary.

        • agreed, it’s my understanding from listening to him on tv that he was suggesting to Congress what legislation they should pass.

          Mac, your title to this post is misleading. Sorry, but I have to say this.

        • HUH?
          read number 4 again. There are alot of things they can do with that one.
          “After further review, the AG has deemed that if youare (fill in the blank) you are not going to pass the background check.
          Think it wont happen???????????????

          • Without knowing what new catagories they plan on inserting in the blank, we can assume that a significant number of people who now qualify, won’t. We simply don’t have the intel to make a rational decision as to what the damage from this will be. Just the possibilities should raise our hackles.

          • Then I don’t pass the check, the system has worked, done. I may not like it, but if I’m a felon then that’s the way it is.

        • He needs to move out the White House!

        • Reid said the same thing about Obamacare just a day or two before it passed. Don’t believe a word he says. Keep barraging your representatives with demands for freedom.

        • -That is not me. HUH?-get your own damn handle

        • “We can’t wait for congress.” That will come soon enough.

      12. After listening to all the “talking heads”, and pols on both sides agreeing, that “universal background checks”, even for “private” sales would be a good thing, I am struck as to what they are leaving out of this conversation.

        In order to do these checks, the gov’t would have to have an inventory of all guns owned by these “private” parties, in order for it to be undertaken……I DON’T THINK SO!

        • They are leaving out the civil strife and foreign invasion they want all at once.

        • So you think child rapers should have guns?

          • “So you think child rapers should have guns?”
            How many child rapers use guns, dumbass. Those perverts are too busy holding onto their private parts and reaching for the child’s privates to have a gun. Besides that, if we all give up our guns who is left to shoot the perverts rapping the kids?
            Where do these people park their brains?

            • Well gee, I don’t know child rapers as well as you do. I do get your point tho. I guess it’s ok with you if a few convicted child abusers can legally own guns. How about meth addicts, elder abusers, crack heads, spits who use guns during the crime, pimps etc? Aside from knowing child rapists habits ( sounds like a little too well ) how many have you killed? Or do you just hang out with them and note their gun possession habits? Sorry for being a dumbass. Just think that your child abusing buddies shouldn’t have guns. Along with dopers, elder abusers, thieves, rapist…..

              • no one convicted of a violent crime should be allowed to own a gun and thats the only restriction that should be allowed. in the time the 2nd amendment was created they used to shoot or hang criminals so they didn’t have the probleme of them comeing out of prison and commiting more crime.

                • no body
                  it makes no difference how many laws new and old you pass to keep guns out of criminals hands they will still have them,,that law cannot be enforced,,nor will it ever,,now thats just my opinion,,,,becaues those are already laws,,,


          • Ignore this- Orifice- poster. he/she tags along behind posters here like them tiny SHITzu puppies alot of rich chicks owns…All they can do is yap yap yap at your heals and annoy a person.

            One swell method to rid yourself of such bothersome yappers is to line up your Boot squarly with the pups asshole….Then shove a boot up it and wear it like a Furry Slipper.

            They get very quite once they become someons furry slipper puppy. Just one final squeel and zero yappin.

            • You are still talking to me? Thought you vowed to never talk to me again. Guess you have no self control or conviction. You are a fake little bitch. You are a liberal plant. Keep believing this chick or see he for who she is. You are fucking with us and the cause.

        • No, it is simple, I’m buying and you’re selling. We go to an FFL holder, they process the paperwork and ownership goes from you to me. Oh, and you don’t have to worry if I’m a felon or a mental patient, you have peace of mind.

          • And the govt has a record of all transactions and all guns….slippery slope.

        • What it means is that you wont sell your gun to someone unless you know them because you wont know if it’s a ATF sting operation.

      13. I’m sure OBAMA is doing all of this out of love for all of us. I think he really cares. The man would give us the shirt off his back if he could. ( extream sarcasm intended )

          • When reading HuffPo comments, always click on “Favorites” for sorting. The first ten are always the tell as to how the readers there really think.

            (I read articles from all sides to gain a full comprehension of a topic, just in case a disclaimer was needed.)

      14. ~~~If there’s even one life that can be saved, then we’ve got an obligation to try. And I’m going to do my part.~~~~

        Yes, oh, yes, if there’s even ONE life that can be saved, then I have an obligation to keep my weapons.

        • And his majesty should stop using drones and killing innocent CHILDREN.

      15. None of this applies to me
        Im an American Citizen and I live by the the bill of rights, and the Constitution.

        these must be rules for this government..

        • i agree my question tho is if the so called government abolishes parts of the constitution what duty does anyone have to comply?i say none ! what say you ?

          • When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen’s constitutional rights, it acts lawlessly, and the citizen can take matters into his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all.

            Justice William O. Douglas

        • To anyone who read this post:

          I just reread it again and I didn’t mean “Obama is going to hang”…

          Pure accident.

          If I truly meant it, I would say…


      16. When do we start loudly chanting, “Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!Sieg Heil!” ?

        After all it seems only appropriate now that the Fourth Reich has arisen, and The Supreme Fuhrer Obama has solidified his Right to Rule and is now ruling by Executive Decree.

        Not even after hell freezes over will I abide by ANY dictatorial rule.

        • YH: thats Not a language They comprehend…They speak YIDDISH as They Are Bolshevik Kommies like Russia had.

          Not nazis ps all nazis died by now as did most of Our WWII vetrens…All we got left now is KOMMIE like FINESTIEN=Yiddish…Not german.

          • Angelo Mysteriouso,

            Language barriers are not a problem for me. I only speak two languages to tyrants, .308 Winchester and 45 ACP.

            These are understandable to any thug, gangbanger, tyrant, and dictator; in any language and dialect; in any state and country on the planet.

      17. So what do we do now? Fight and make ourselves targets, or go into hiding. I really don’t know, this is really getting scary. With this order, I feel like my country has abandoned me

      18. A few representatives have said they will enter articles of impeachment. WOuld like to see how this plays out. I really thing the progressives have over-extended.

      19. 2nd Amendment ALERT!!! I just called Bank of America… you have to hear this

        Put this in your search engine NOW!!!–so it can get to you here without waiting for moderation!!!

        • Unbelievable. I can’t believe my ears! What the everliving heck!

          Not that I think anyone should still be banking with B of A, but how can they get away with not allowing someone to use their own accounts to purchase guns and ammo? Is that legal?

          • The BOA bastard bought out my mortgage a couple years ago, I was pissed. I really cannot stand any of the big banks, but BOA has to be the worst.

        • Agreed, No one should be putting their money into B of A, they are evil. However, I did find this

          “Bank Of America: Not Banning Gun Purchases (Yet)”


          “At this time the viral video appears to be either mistaken, or outright false,” The Examiner reports. “Whether the employee misunderstood the question or the call was fake, the allegation at this time appears to be incorrect.”

          “Nonetheless, The Examiner adds “the damage could already be done as thousands of viewers of the video are calling in to cancel their accounts with the bank.”

          Actually it’s a good thing in my eyes, especially the fact that thousands are calling to cancel their accounts with the bank 🙂
          Hopefully, all move to a credit union. Hell yeah!

      20. EURO AMERICA= ON THE MARK!!!//Especially with the little at a time, THATS exactly why its done that way.

        Satori- thanx 4 the post// but it is EARTH Shattering

        and only when the streets of AMERICA, are covered in blood, and the Patriots lie MURDERED IN THE STREETS, will the liberals realize-NEXT.

      21. Hey, America. I am Barrak H. Obama and I am your President. For a second time.
        Tell me. “How do you like me now?”


        By The Heavy

      22. I am Canadian and I can only watch with growing worry what is happening to are southern neighbour. The Land of the free is definitely long gone! We have the Queen of England as head of state here and by and large we are not interferred with, and rule of law still works here. Parliament can vote non-confidence in the seating government – to remove a poor, or unresponsive government an in effect remove the Prime Minister. You Americans now however, have a King, and hardly any way to get rid of him – he supports and defends criminal Banksters, removes human rights and freedoms in bite size chunks each day – bullies the world – drone kills his allies and their children – will destroy the world economy (with the help of Japan, EU, and England) just to protect and enrich a select few. What the heck happened???

      23. Look at how many teachers and county employees are taking gun safety courses and applying for their CCW. These citizens see the emportance of defence.

        The right to defend yourself should be the topic of discussion not gun bans which leaves you defenceless.

      24. The only thing that saves us now is a Bank Holiday. You know what that means.

      25. F new york!!! All that can ,leave. If u cant vote the spineless bastards out of office.never give up your guns or any of your GOD given rights.

        • Yeah….someone came by my house the other day asking me if I would like to contribute the flooding that took place in NY as a result of Hurricane Sandy…

          I told them I would like to, but my garden hose would only reach to the end of my driveway.

          • LMAO! That’s funny stuff.


        ONLY 222 YEARS OF 365 DAYS LATER…

        SANDY HOOK!

      27. Hey Florida! Alert, Alert.

        Closet Yankee’s on the move south.

        • Please no more of the bleeding hearts. We have enough in this state now! I printed out our Florida Constitution this morning. WOW! What an eye opening experience. We protect pregnant pigs! And not the ones that wear lipstick!

      28. Everyone relax! While all the libtards, commie pigs, socialist scum, etc., etc., turn in weapons, and comply to unconstitutional laws we will not. What a great way to un-arm them while we keep adding to our arsenels. This is sort of like a liberal getting an abortion, they’re killing themselves off. REMEMBER, IF IT’S NOT CONSTITUTIONAL DO NOT COMPLY …. PERIOD!

      29. Jay-Jay


      30. The Bitch DHS Sis just said this today:

        “In the aftermath of the tragic Newtown shooting, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), together with the Department of Justice (DOJ), and the FBI have worked to identify measures that could be taken to reduce the risk of mass casualty shootings. In the coming days, DHS will expand and formalize coordination of ongoing efforts intended to prevent future mass casualty shootings, improve preparedness, and to strengthen security and resilience in schools and other potential targets. DHS will work with partners at all levels of government, to address five critical areas intended to reduce the risk of mass casualty shootings in the United States: Prevention, Protection, Response, Education, and Research/Evaluation. DHS will also work with law enforcement to refresh, expand and prioritize the implementation of nationwide public awareness efforts such as the “If You See Something, Say Something™” campaign. This is a critical issue that requires immediate attention and I look forward to supporting the President and this Administration as we move ahead.”

        I’d say they are expanding their War efforts.

        • EA: what DHS Really Means by that…

          Ex DHS honcho Chertoff(russian=in english “son of satan”)

          Who Now is Prez of co. that makes and sells Naked airport scanners xrays will get More NO bid contracts to install 100,000 More $250 Million Per xray scanner into every school in the usa…

          And He and all his Co-Dual citizen(isreal citizen) Zios will lock down Bolshevik run and BRA(Black run america) tighter.

      31. “. . .Don’t benefit from ignorance?” isn’t that how you were reelected?

      32. Mexico is chewing at the bit to see when Texas will surrender their arms to the government so they can take Texas back.

        Don’t surrender Texas! New York is finished! China is waiting for the disarmament of the U.S. so they can move in!
        No surrender people! When it comes, it will come quickly, be ready to fight!

      33. OK, everyone, this is at least part of what we’ve all feared. Clay, whatever you do is your own affair, but I couldn’t see submitting to any of it. party time is coming sooner than any of us thought it would. braveheart

      34. Do you ever hear news that makes you feel like a loved one has died?

        I guess, in a way, a loved one HAS died today.

        • Daisy,

          Rest assure, the patient has not died… yet. He may be on life support, has lost a lot of blood, is in a coma, and suffering from a concussion, but medics are on the way!

          We will make sure the cure is not worse than the disease! We will make certain the perpetrator of this heinous hit-and-run is brought to justice come hell or high water.

          • Hun, it aint over..til its over

        • Lady Libertys in a bad way,but her sons and daughters are coming to her aid..ready to help and defend her…shes gonna need alot of blood in transfusion..lots of us are standing in line to donate…those who assaulted her are about to face her sons and daughters and her sister Justice… and we aint happy!

          • REB…well said!

          • Chuck Baldwin’s new article from news with views site.

            This is for Confused christians who mistakenly quote bible verses wrongly regarding guns And Self/nation defense etc!

            THE LAW OF THE SWORD

            By Chuck Baldwin
            January 17, 2013

            My last two columns which stated that my line in the sand has been drawn and I will NOT register or surrender my firearms, even if that makes me a lawbreaker (in the sight of government), have generated multiplied thousands of reader responses. And while the vast majority of these responses expressed complete agreement, there were several responses from professing Christians telling me that I was in violation of Holy Scripture for making such a stand.

            As one might expect, some of my brethren argued the erroneous “obey-the-government-no-matter-what” interpretation of Romans 13. For the sake of the many new readers of this column, let me point out that my son, constitutional Christian attorney Timothy Baldwin, and I have co-written a pivotal book dealing with this fallacious interpretation of Romans 13 in a book entitled “Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission.” This book takes the entire Word of God to show that nowhere does the Bible teach (including in Romans 13) that Christians should submit to unlawful government. In fact, just the opposite is taught: Christians often have a duty to RESIST unlawful government.

            But perhaps the verse of Scripture that my slightly confused brethren quoted most in their attempt to rebuke me was Matthew 26:52, “Then said Jesus unto him [Simon Peter], Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” (KJV) This, they said, proves that Christians have no right to keep and bear arms if the government said it was illegal to do so. However, with all due respect, this interpretation is opposed to the overwhelming evidence of Scripture to the contrary.

            In the first place, consider what Jesus said just a few moments before making this statement. Just before arriving in the Garden of Gethsemane (where the statement was made to Peter to “put up thy sword”), Jesus told his disciples, “But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” (Luke 22:36 KJV)

            After hearing Jesus’ command, the disciples replied, “Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.” (Luke 22:38 KJV)

            Notice that Jesus plainly and emphatically told Simon Peter and the others to arm themselves. So emphatic was Jesus’ command that He told them if they could not afford to purchase a sword they were instructed to sell their clothes if necessary and buy one.

            After hearing Jesus’ command to arm themselves, the disciples noted that already two of the disciples were carrying arms. Jesus’ response, “It is enough,” did not mean that only two swords (out of eleven men–Judas Iscariot had already left to betray Christ) was sufficient, for He had plainly commanded EACH MAN to arm himself. He was simply acknowledging that they clearly understood what He had just told them.

            Ladies and gentlemen, the First Century Roman sword was the most efficient and lethal personal defense weapon in the world at the time. It is no hyperbole or injustice to language to say that the Roman sword was the First Century equivalent to a modern AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. It was designed to kill swiftly and efficiently. And Jesus commanded His disciples to buy and carry one!

            Also note that the same word “sword” that is used in this passage is the same word that is used in Romans 13:4, “He (government) beareth not the sword in vain.” In other words, Jesus told His disciples to carry the same-type weapon that government soldiers were carrying at the time.

            After this exchange, Jesus and His disciples walked to the Garden of Gethsemane where the events of Peter and the sword took place.

            Simon Peter had already told Jesus that he was willing to die for him (yes, Jesus rightly predicted his denial, knowing how Simon would react to the events that unfolded in the garden), and when the armed soldiers from the High Priest (tantamount to the President’s Secret Service officers today) came to arrest Jesus, Simon Peter drew his sword in defense of his Master. He intended to cut off the soldier’s head, but the man ducked, and Simon cleanly sliced off his ear.

            Notice that Jesus did not rebuke or chastise Simon. Remember when He sternly told Simon, “Get thee behind me, Satan”? No such rebuke is found here. And notice, too, that He did not tell Simon to “GIVE UP thy sword.” He said “PUT UP again thy sword into his place,” meaning into its scabbard. He fully expected Simon to retain possession of his sword.

            It is also noteworthy that as Jesus was being arrested, the power of His voice totally overwhelmed the soldiers, which caused all of them to sway backward and fall to the ground. (John 18:6) This accomplished a couple of things: it caused every soldier in that garden to fully understand that theirs was not the preeminent power present. It also allowed His eleven disciples to leave unscathed TAKING THEIR WEAPONS WITH THEM, as the soldiers were either totally distracted by the surprise of what had just happened to them, or they were totally disinterested in attempting to disarm the disciples after this incredible demonstration of power against them.

            But as Jesus had come to this earth to give Himself a ransom for sinful men, which meant that His betrayal, arrest, and crucifixion were all a part of God’s sovereign plan for His only begotten Son, Simon’s armed defense of Christ was not necessary. Jesus calmly reminded Simon of the legions of angels that were available for His defense, should He call on them. Then Jesus gave Simon the assurance that “all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”

            And despite what you’ve heard so many preachers say regarding this verse, this was not a WARNING to Simon Peter; it was a PROMISE to Simon Peter.

            What Jesus was doing was assuring Simon Peter that the tyrannical Roman and Jewish forces that were now using the sword against Him would one day themselves be destroyed by the sword, but that it would not be Simon’s sword that would be the one to do this. In other words, Jesus was stating a divine principle that tyrants and despots who unjustly rule with the power of the sword would one day be brought to the judgment of the sword.

            Jesus’ statement had nothing to do with Christians disarming themselves in the face of tyrants; it had everything to do with God’s pronouncement of judgment upon tyrants who force their will on people by the power of the sword. He was saying, “Those who ruthlessly rule and govern by the sword will be brought to justice by the sword.” THAT is what Jesus said.

            Did Jesus’ promise come true? You bet it did. A few years later, the Jewish nation was destroyed by the Roman sword; and a few years after that, the Roman nation was destroyed by the sword of the Goths, et al.

            This promise to tyrants is repeated by the Apostle John in Revelation 13:10. Here Jesus inspired John to write, “He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.”

            The context of Revelation 13:10 is unmistakable: those who put men into captivity by force shall themselves be put into captivity by force; those who kill with the sword shall themselves be killed with the sword. John then adds: “Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” In other words, the victimized, terrorized saints can take comfort in the fact that God will send His judgment to the oppressors in the like manner in which they oppressed others.

            What John said in Revelation 13:10 was a repeat of what He had heard Jesus say in Matthew 26:52. Jesus telling Peter to put up his sword has absolutely nothing to do with Christians willingly surrendering their arms to an oppressive government. Instead, it is a promise to oppressors that if you live and rule by the sword, you will die by the sword!

            And since Jesus had commanded them to do so, we can assume that His disciples carried their own personal arms for the rest of their lives. Yes, yes, I realize that the disciples allowed themselves to be martyred for their faith. They CHOSE to not “accept deliverance,” (Hebrews 11:35) as did the famed missionary, Jim Elliott, who was armed at the time of his death, and, therefore, was fully capable of defending himself against the savages that attacked him, but CHOSE to not defend himself, and thereby accepted the martyr’s death. But these examples have nothing to do with the divine principle of lawful self-defense, which Jesus duly recognized in His instructions to His disciples.

            Pray tell, how did Gideon deliver God’s people from their oppressors? By “the sword of the Lord and of Gideon.” How did Samson throw off the tyrants of his people? How did Barak and Jephthah defeat Israel’s enemies? By the sword! And note that each of these deliverers were commissioned and empowered by God to use the sword to destroy those tyrants that had ruled by the power of the sword. This was God’s promised judgment on oppressors for thousands of years before Jesus uttered this eternal truism in the Garden of Gethsemane.

            The Second Amendment guarantee that “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” is as much a sacred right as it is an American right. The principle of armed self-defense is rooted in both Natural and Revealed Law. That Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein want to strip the American people of this right should be met with the most vociferous resistance, and that includes FROM CHRISTIANS!

            Yet, all across America, pastors and Christians seem to be willing to sheepishly surrender their Second Amendment rights. Some are no doubt sincere; they are only reacting as their Christian mentors and leaders have told them is right to do. Others are no doubt using Scripture as a covering for their own cowardice.

            I say once again: regardless of what laws are passed or not passed, I refuse to register or surrender my firearms–even if doing so makes me an outlaw. But as several readers pointed out to me: in such a scenario, I am not the outlaw; the ones who would try to disarm me are the outlaws. As I would not submit to a law that demanded that I surrender my spiritual sword (the Bible), neither will I submit to a law that demands that I surrender my physical sword (my firearms).

            What Simon Peter told the Jewish leaders in Acts 5, after being ordered to surrender his preaching of truth, applies to any order of men that violates God’s eternal law–including the right of the people (including Christian people) to keep and bear arms: “We ought to obey God rather than men.” And so we ought!

            But for those Christians who seek truth and genuinely desire to know how they should respond to this current attack against our Second Amendment liberties, my son, Tim, and I are in the process of producing a brand new book entitled, “To Keep Or Not To Keep: Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns.” This book is designed to equip Christians with the scriptural tools and knowledge they will need to make wise decisions about the defense of their family. We are working hard to have this book ready for release by early spring.

            This should Clear it up for those here who keep insisting Their versions, on the Two swords is enough etc, are Wrong headed And may get good folks Killed needlesly!

            PS. Now in Montana Chuck’s church is one of the FEW nationwide churches that Do NOT except IRS 501 Tax Free status!!!….That way he Can speak freely the Truth and not worry what IRS/FedGOV Dictates as Most of Todays Pastors does!…Its the reason most pastors never speak of such controvercial things( They rather serve Man/Gov, than to serve God!).

            • A NOTE on Baldwin article I posted above..

              To the Naysayers: Please take Note that the “Priest” (of the jewsih temple) is who sent the Armed jewsih temple gaurd/soldirs to Capture Christ in the garden.

              ALSO Note: the article says that the Tyranical persons were BOTH Romans AND JEWISH Tyrants!

              Ok now you all can go claim Jesus/Peter/John as well as Pastor Baldwin are All a bunch of Antisemites!!

              Because unlike some folks today, Thay All speak Truth even when others may not like to hear it(jew firsters).

        • I have experienced this feeling twice before–Nov., 2008, and NOv., 2012.
          Wanta guess why??

        • Stay in Canada.

        • It is just a matter of time before they confiscate our retirement funds. Dirty slimy bastards. One year away from retirement and who knows if the money will even be there.


            • No you are wrong to blame todays boomer gen…Todays boomers never had anyone tell us these things NOR did we have anywheres to find it out from…UNTILL in last decade or so due to Internet and good honest websites like This site were made avail to us.

              WHY Didn’t You explain it all to us Yrs ago since you imply You always knew of all the current swindles etc we face today?

              I will tell you why…Because untill recently You didn’t know of this stuf Either!

              And furthermore, it is Todays Yoots and Youths gen that thinks everyone Owes Them a free ride…

              Look how 99% Univ students today whine of how they owe massive Loans for “schooling” costs etc!

              In Our younger days we had to WORK SEVERAL JOBS All Summer long(while others played outside) and SAVE EVERY FUCKIN DIME we EARNED so as to Pay our Own way thru collage.

              You forget Boomers ARE the largest demographic group today(aprox 75-80 Million!) and YOU Yoots Idiots better show Respect for Your elders incase you may need Our assistance in the Comming Fights/Battles!

              • I wasnt alive years ago. However, Ive been telling my parents what to do all my life. I started learning about the national debt from my third grade teacher. I learned about the Federal Reserve from my fifth grade teacher. The reason college is so expensive today is because of the large injections of liquidity aka “students loans” that you old people wanted garanteed for all the children of America.

                • There’s one eternal truth in life,and that is nobody gives a fuck about your problems but you. That doesn’t make them bad people either,they have their own problems to worry about. The sooner you learn this valuable lesson,the better off you’ll be.

                  • What the hell are you talking about? Its not MY problem. Its a societal problem. I have nothing to learn from the likes of you.

            • I was born as a boomer….never had much money…never took a govt handout….never asked for one and wont…and never screwed over any other generation,you need to stop generalizing…stupid people come in all ages…Liberty belongs to those who claim her and act on that claim…not by acting like a spoiled brat and blaming others for your poor choices or bad circumstances…no one gave me anything except my folks who instilled a love for God and liberty in this farm boy,really sonny youneed to grow up and get serious before you get run over…enough pearls tossed!

              • I have never made any poor choices. And other people ARE to blame for the debt. What are you talking about?

          • pulled mine out in december. Hadn’t been contributing for a long time but at least I now know what I have and don’t have. It IS a better feeling than limbo, though maybe not by too much…

            Best of Luck!

      35. Arbeit Macht Frei. Pretty soon we will see no knock searches in the middle of the night to see if our guns are “legal” and if not away we go to some reeducation center somewhere. Whisked away in the dark of night. All I can say now is Don’t go quietly into that good night.
        God help us now because noone else will.

      36. I have been a lurker for a couple years. This is obviously my first post. This is due to my perception that there are 149 million SPIES out there. Organization between LIKE minded people appears, to me, impossible.

        Our Founding Fathers did not mention the type of “Arms” we have an Inalienable RIGHT to because they were well aware that future technology would produce better tools for all applications. They had GREAT foresight. Assault weapons?? ANYthing is an ‘assault weapon’ when used for an assault. I personally have an Assault ink pen and pencil set. It multi-tasks. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

      37. They can do whatever they want, Patroits will never comply. I suspect nothing of substance will change, although that may be wishful thinking on my part. The simple fact of the matter is that progressives (aka, Communists, Marxists, Fascists and Socialists) want to take our guns because they know this is the only way they can fully gain control of this country and ultimately exterminate us. Their ultimate goal is to permanently eliminate us. We Patriots know this and will never let them do it! I am perfectly fine living with them and have no desire to eliminate them, but know this, if they start coming after us physically we will reciprocate ten fold; for every one of ours we will take 20 of yours. They’re already going after some us covertly – John Noveske and the producer for FSP Russia (top ten pro gun channel on YouTube), for example.

        A government that ships guns to Mexico in order to destroy the second amendment (fast and furious) would stop at nothing to outlaw firearms. Most of us are aware of the questionable circumstances surrounding Aurora, the Sikh temple and Sandy Hook; unfortunately there will be more. Mark my words, there will be another Oklahoma City type of situation that they will use to blame Constitutionalists. This is just the beginning. If you happen to be in or around any of these future events, film everything you can and talk to as many people as you can to counter the govt/MSM propaganda.

      38. @ W. Todd ~ Well spoken, and I agree with you.

        The vote in New York is controlled by the Democrats in
        New York City. I live in Upstate N.Y., and it is almost a waste of time to vote, and the upstate New Yorkers get
        slaughtered by the Dems that run/control N.Y.City. I still vote though, people fought and died in the past, in order for people to vote today.

        Moving is not an option. The King and his minions have
        Ruled and Spoken. Honest, law-abiding fire arms owners are now being punished for the crazies. I am curious how the Gestapo is going to enforce all this. Where are they going to get the $, time, manpower, equipment, computers to handle all this?

        Another thing – This ruling may drive many to operate underground. Where there is a will there is a way, or,
        there is more than one way to skin a cat.

        I am staying still, quiet, and watching.

      39. We need to exercise our constitutional right to ASSEMBLE A MILITIA for self-defense agianst domestic enemies. We need to IMPEACH OBAMA. This man is dangerous.

      40. This is only the first step. Obama’s goal is full confiscation of all guns in private hands.

      41. Liberty is not dead, as long as we live!

      42. The real question is, Do you understand what this individual is capable of doing? Until you do, you will not have the fortitude to resist. Not you or neighbor or friend or family. I can assure you that half the battle will be fought with those that are amoung you. Then you must fight not only the unprepared but those whom want to make you inept to their power and control of both body and mind. The glorious point to be made is that we are all going to find out what it is to live again. Without fear, intimidation, injustice, deceit, and other ruthless forms that plague our society.
        Gather your weapons of war. Hone your skills. Be willing to share and to help others when able. To be ready to defend you God Given Rights.
        Nothing more could be asked.

      43. I’m going to step on a lot of toes with this statement, so be it.
        While you can defend your HOME with a .223, your LIBERTY can be preserved only by a .308!

        • What a lack of Respect for the 5.56. I guess there is another division here. The 308 and the 5.56er.
          I can carry more and everyone with me can handle one.

          You deserve a B Slap for that.

      44. I don’t call my firearm an ‘assault’ rifle. I call it my regime change rifle (I think I read this on From The Trenches World Report website)….lol

        • jeff
          i dont have one of those evil black things either,,hell i painted all mine camo,,,



      46. The federal government is only digging its own grave. I and I survive. Look at Washington, Colorado, who do not enforce federal laws against pot. Other states will do the same if he tries. Its a waste of time and money. More guns are being sold now in the US now more than ever. If he is trying to start a war, he will get it and loose because liberals are pansies and need police to enforce the law.

        “When the law becomes unjust. The Just become outlaws.”


        “When guns become outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.”

      47. “If even one life can be saved.”

        ahahahahahaa! Tell that to the “collateral damage” kids murdered in Pakistan and elsewhere by drone attacks


      48. FOCUS, folks! Wait until the actual Executive Orders are posted tomorrow so that we can examine the full wording and the terminology.

        Progressives are well-known for slippery words that have strong connotations and hidden agendas. There is more going on with the E.O. “gun control” legislation than taking away firearms. Pay attention! Remember this is chess, not checkers.

      49. Excellent law, Obumbler. How about starting your enforcement with “Fast and Furious” Eric???
        Oh wait, you’re a hypocrite. Never mind

      50. Yup. The bodies are barely cold, and the “Never let a crisis go to waste” being invoked again.

        • This lib agenda goes back directly to when Klinton first began to promote Internet online Medical files on us all…Klinton assured all it was to Improve and Strengthen Our medical Privacy etc!

          NEXT=Hobammycare(cause hillery care Failed to pass back then) NOW= Many exec orders to “Improve” Mental health stuf and Med mental files etc!

          Next= Same as russian kommies did back in 1920-30’s eras, begin RE naming Types of mental sickness’s and List ALL who disagree with Kommie agendas as Sick.

          Russian kommies also Interned “mental” defectives(all who disagree with kommizim agenda) and invented many new meds to use to make certain that all Formerly Normal folks Would become full blown crazy due to interned med usages by Kommie jew dr’s/shrinks….Russian and German kommie jew dr’s IS who invented the “Skrink” Dr. buisness.

          With alot of help from Tavistok institute Kommies financed by NY Banksters(zionists/bolsheviks).

          Look it all up online if any here doubt these facts.

          Remember: we Are dealing with actual real life Communists here in the usa. Their Goals Always include plans to EXTERMINATE All opposition AND All disedents Family members totally. Regardless how small or Large of a family You has…ALL get rounded up and Murdered when Real Kommies make their moves.

          The ONLY way to stop kommies is to POUNCE rapidly on Them when they make a move and Eliminate the Threats completly.

          Kinda like a, Final Solution- but of Them!

          Kommies know No other means and all forms of debate or arguments and facts or truths are NULL and VOID in Their Evil minds.

          Oh! and Progressives=Kommies…Libs=Enablers(unless they waken and Repent in time). There is NO other proper way to think on this stuf. Doubters can read all about russian revolution to see how kommies operate.

          They are Ruthless-Evil-Godless-Souless-Merciless-Murderes.

          No other method wll halt a kommie bunch except Fight Fire WITH MORE and BIGGER FIRE!

      51. That feeling in your guts is freedom evaporating.

      52. ● What a joke! What about Chris Stevens in Benghazi What about the Mexican children whose killers got their guns from Eric Holder? The whole thing makes me want to vomit. Only to have the means to leave this country!

        ● “Why is it that you need a background check to own a gun… but not to run a country ?”

        ● “Obama the PIG hides behind children, Just like the despicable Saddam Hussein and his “human shields” I don’t see any difference between that PIG and our PIG. None.”

        ● “Funny… Obama didn’t care about background checks and magazine capacity when he was covering up for Eric Holder.”

        ● “2nd amendment is a RIGHT and not a law….. A militia is made up of citizens whose purpose is to defend the citizens against a tyrannical government….
        For said militia to defend the citizens, said militia’s weaponry kind of has to evolve along with the government’s weaponry…. And automatic weapons are not even part of the discussion. What they are calling an assault rifle is not an assault rifle. It doesn’t fire like a machine gun or 3 round bursts which assault rifles do. They are the same frickin platform as any hunting rifle with a different covering.

        ● “The purpose of the 2nd amendment is NOT for hunting ducks or deer. It is a deterrent against a tyrannical government and dictatorship or transitional imperial president drunk with power.
        The arms available to civilians, while not a on a par with weapons available to law enforcement, must keep pace to some degree with such weapons for a civilian population to 1.be poised to threaten government should a dictatorship emerge.
        Think of the 2nd amendment as the only tactic that keeps government in check.
        Does that mean that a militia and an opposing federal force line up against one another over stone walls ? No. It does mean that citizens may act as freedom fighters to remove individual threats by lawmakers as did the Black September groups of the 1970′s.
        The voting booth has been compromised by this president and other buying votes. Large scale voter fraud is growing. The solution is an insurrection against those that grow their power within such non democratic tactics against those trying to live within the rules and providing confiscatory taxes to those that continue to vote for more free toys from their government.”

        ● “Obama has just also in effect “deputized” health care workers to rat out Americans which is very convenient since the government now runs health care. If your doctor asks you if you have a gun – tell him to get bent – but then he can call up the Feds and have you put away for “possibly” (note possibly) being dangerous.
        Then people can disappear like they do in other totalitarian regimes because Obama just quietly signed the order to hold people indefinitely without charging them. Are they any Republicans in office that are willing to fight this?”

        ● “And after this we will get the magical law that make criminals follow the law and then we will ride our purple unicorns into the rainbow………”

        ● “Time to finish Fast & Furious , and prosecute the real gun runners . ”

        ● “What about Chris Stevens in Benghazi What about the Mexican children whose killers got their guns from Eric Holder? ”

        ● “It’s just a fact that no one — including the media — was ever serious about doing anything other than exploiting a national tragedy as a way to punish the NRA, restrict the freedoms of the gun owners who don’t vote Democrat, and demonize a culture of law-abiding, gun owners; most of whom live in states that had the temerity to vote for someone other than Obama.”

        ● “This is a naked grab to accomplish his far left agenda. Nothing stated would have prevented what happened at Newtown. What could prevented Newtown would have been a loan of a guard or two from his daughters’ school to the school in Newtown.”

        ● “Do any of these measures stop Holder from supplying Mexican’s with assault rifles to murder US Border Patrol Agents…..???”

        “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves”…

        ● These proposals do Nothing except to ‘Control’ lawful firearms owners

        ● The media is pushing this propaganda to the ‘low information voters’

        ● “It has been established that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular citizen (e.g. Warren vs.District of Columbia).”

        ● “This country is clearly under attack, a enemy has circumvented the constitution of the United States and is attempting to control our Gun rights, retirement, medical doctors acting as informants, free speech in business, school and church.

        Drugging our children in schools with made up mental disorders and treating our Soldiers as criminals or deranged psychopaths, this is all lies they use to control the weak minds of ignorant people.
        They believe we are weak and lazy, that we will lay down and give up without a fight and take what they give us. ”

        ● “When a long train of abuses and usurpation’s, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
        ~ Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776.

        ● “All that is necessary for evil to triumph, is that GOOD men do nothing” Edmund Burke…

        Semper Tyrannis

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      53. “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the US public believes is false.”
        -William J. Casey, 1981

        • William Joseph Casey (March 13, 1913 – May 6, 1987) was the Director of Central Intelligence from 1981 to 1987. In this capacity he oversaw the entire United States Intelligence Community and personally directed the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

          Director of Central Intelligence

          *once again its the phuckin
          “CIA” who’s deliberately destroying AmeriCa !!!

          • Yeah….most people don’t understand that the CIA don’t work for us….they work for the Global Banksters.

        • Casey was a devout Catholic and a member of the Knights of Malta – A “CIA – AmeriKan Traitor” NWO GLOBALIST FREEMASON !!!

          FREEMASONS ARE THE TRUE wanna be fascist zionist commie TYRANT TRAITORS OF AMERICA !

          Search your Towns for Freemason Halls !!!

          Those in your towns who are members are Traitors of Liberty who would be your NWO ZOG FASCIST En-Slavers !!!

          • Freemasonery is controled by their #1 Top Main org called Bani’ Berith which rules all lesser freemasnons lodges. Bani Berith Only allows jewsih members in it.

            Bani Berith reqruits Gentile Goyims to join freemason lodges in most every nations worldwide.

            It is From these gentile goyims that the Jewish leadrship based at Beni Berith HQ’s train up Uninformed goyim gentiles to become Usefull idiots so the jewish leaders/rulers can have a Gentile Face to Hide their evils behind.

            And to have gentile goys as scapegoats to be Blamed when Other goy gentiles get jewised to whats ruining their entire Nation and Society.

            These freemasons has also Infiltrated the Vatican two centurys ago and the vatican has handed over total control of vatican bank to the Head Banksters of Rothchilds family of zionists.(since 1836)

            Today most every institution Is under full or near full control of Jewish banksters and Their “Master race Tribe” membership. Over 1/2 of them all are in the usa today.

            They are the inventors of communisim and perpetrated the Russian revolt which began the 1/3 Billion Deaths atributed to Kommies just dureing the 20th century alone!

            Germany stopped them…Today America is In their Cross Hairs…Unless….

      54. got enough ammo ???

        • No, we dont..DHS bought it all up on purpose, to grab our stock..and no one stopped them

          I suggest we find out where its all at

          • well … NOW I suppose we’re ALL just gonna have to “TAKE IT ALL BACK FROM THE DHS ARMORY AND ZOG FEDGOV DHS AMMO DUMPS WAREHOUSES that are pre-staged ACROSS AMERIKA !!!”

            it’s time to get a lil’ dirty sweaty an ” GROW SOME VERY BIG HAIRY BALL’S once AGAIN Once Free AMERICA just as they did in 1775-1776 !”

            got .45-70 ???

            it’s they only way to let fly WITH A BIG BOOM your FLAG of WAR COLORS ON THE NWO ZOG BANKER FASCIST GLOBALISTS … DO or DIE AMERICA !!!


            ;0P pssszzt

        • Anonymous,

          Got enough ammo? Does any person ever have enough ammo? I would sure like to met the person that says he does have enogh ammo.. He could be my new hunting buddy.

          Keep buying or making,



      55. Why do we not see plans to make gun ownership and use safer from those of you who are afraid of losing your guns? Seems like you gun owners should be actively involved with finding a viable solution to the problem instead of running scared and posting stupid stuff here. Come up with common-sense ideas and forward them to your congressmen. THEY can change things only if YOU make them. The longer YOU sit on your asses bitching and moaning, the more “freedoms” you lose; it’s up to YOU!

        • Dear Uncle Chuck,
          The unwashed masses don’t get the attention of the elite congress.
          We are useless eaters; important only when election rolls around..and if they continue to hack electronic machines, won’t be needed then.

        • So Chuck, Mom always said..if you suggest something you should be the one to come up with the Idea..whatca got?


        • PS: Didn’t used to be prejudiced. Getting that way more and more every day. This doesn’t mean there aren’t decent hard working black folks, but even they know who I’m talking about.

          • Uncle Chuckie: although yes a real tragedy, school shootings Pales in comparison to Overall violent crimes nationwide.

            While firearms Rank aprox 12th Down the list for murders commited. Most All violent crime Is commited by Inner city Yoots ages 15 to 25 avg.

            By Inner city I mean AFRICAN Blacks…Along with alot of Mexican dwellers there too, illeagles And legit mex citizens both.

            So to suggest a viable real solution as You say to do can only mean: Ban negroes(except for the elusive aprox 5-10% who aint such violent apes) and DEPORT them to Africa where they can once again dwell in vast jungles where violence is either a way of life or has zero effects on other Humans.

            Yet I am certain You will disagree and likly call me a racist for stateing the Obvious and Factual per FBI stats etc….But to state facts is not racist. Although if as I assume from your posting you are an antigun lib or PC type or Both, then You will definatly refuse to consider it at all.(libs Need 95+% black votes or dems will be no more a party eh so can’t never admit these things).

      56. On any given day 600 to 1100 crimes are stopped at gun point usually by a civilian sheepdog with a concealed carry permit and usually without a shot being fired. But those stats don’t fit their agenda.

        If you really want to keep our children safe then the answer is more civilian Sheepdog’s with guns. And here is the best part; it won’t cost taxpayers a single penny!!!

        The show today is all about more control over you, more government, more regulation and more taxes; period!! When is America going to wake up??? When is America going to realize the only way to cut the size of government is to stop the flow of money into the government.

        Several years ago Mac published an article I wrote. Back then most, even on this site, thought I was nuts when I said to cut the size of government by 58%. Here’s the issue though by cutting the size of government, the government wouldn’t have time to sit around and conspire against the citizens. Today we have government fleecing the citizenry through taxes and regulation

        • P1, you ARE nuts. 58% is not nearly enough!

          • Thanks Bob

            But my 58% includes all government city, county, state and federal. I backed into that number by a level of what would be required of government under the Constitution which is about 38% of current government employment. Plus I put a 4% fudge factor in favor of government to compensate for my mathematical incompetence. Thus a 58% cut to all government.

      57. It was a charade from the beginning. The feigned outrage on the part of Dear Ruler. The plan from Di-Fi is the same language that was in effect from 1994-2004. It’s a complete example of symbolism over substance.

        The fact that NONE of these proposals would have stopped any deaths in Connecticut is all you need to know about the way a statist thinks.

        Note also the number of times Dear Ruler used such phrases as “common sense” and “organized special interests”: Anyone that uses common sense would disagree with Dear Ruler. And anyone that disagrees with Dear Ruler is automatically given the moniker of “special interest.”

        How sad that our language has devolved to this.

        It proves that the original United States marxist Woodrow Wilson would succeed by destroying the mind of the school student.

      58. a New Jersey Police Officer who has been a member of Oath Keepers since 2009, makes it clear that he will not obey orders that violate the Bill of Rights. In particular, he says he will not be used as a tool of oppression against the American people who resist and refuse to comply with infringement on their right to bear arms, such as legislation or executive orders that decree they must register, get finger printed and photographed, like a criminal.

      59. I have been told that on the 15th of February there will be a special meeting of the U.S. Supreme Court called by Chief Justice Roberts himself that will hear arguments that there is proof that the individual who calls himself Barack Obama is using a false social security number and draft card and is most likely an illegal alien. The name of the suit is “Noonan, Judd, MacLeran, Talitz v Bowen”. Tell all of your friends and have them write a respectful, non-threating letter to the chief justice that encourages him to proceed with this case. Pray for America and Justice being done.

        • From your lips to God’s ear..

      60. I’ll be speaking to tyrants in 3 languages: .30 Carbine, .40 S&W, and .22LR. Braveheart

        • Get a supressor for that .22. It will put a grin on your face from ear to ear.

      61. San Antonio man uses Mossberg with the so called evil pistol grip to stop a Burgular/ home invasion

        • Did you mean to say ergonomic orthopedic extension?

        • “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.”

          C.S. Lewis

          • Excellent quote, I had forgotten …

      62. Chris45, someone will take you only if you let that someone do so. You have a right and an obligation to shoot whoever forces their way into your home for any purpose. When you’re confronted by anyone with bad intentions toward you and/or your family, you fight them, not submit to them. All eyes are on NY state for now. Let’s see how it plays out, then we’ll have a good idea what to expect next. Braveheart

      63. @ Be Informed ~ I read your post on another comment by Mac, thought I would respond to you here..

        How do I feel, being an Upstate New Yorker about Fuhrer
        Cumo? I want to know who came up with the bright idea of having 7 bullets is A-o.k., but 10 bullets thou shall not have.. Heil Cumo pushed this though at 11:30 pm. last evening. This is a knee-jerk, foaming at the mouth,
        Hysterical legislation. Where is the $ and man power going to come from to Enforce this Act of Tyranny??

        Is he trying to be an Almighty guy and be the Number One
        King pin with these punitive laws, the first State in the U.S. to be so incredibly tyrannical? Cumo, with his Boot, stepped on the necks of responsible, law-abiding
        fire arm owners. These responsible gun owners are being nailed to the cross for the actions of some crazies.

        How much thought, or investigation of stats were taken into account before pushing this down New Yorkers throats? I am not worried, or fearful.
        King Cumo just awoke a sleeping giant, of every law-abing citizen gun owner in NYState. And, of the entire U.S.

        • @ Emily. It is a terrible shame that you can’t move from that hell hole NY. I lived in california before it became a total raging cess pit, and it was beyond horrible to have to be in fear of the radical law system that favored the criminals. It was not just the criminal element, the police targeted the HONEST citizen and looked for them doing the slightest infraction to give them a ticket or intimidate them with their badge. With gun control areas comes your common PIG law enforcement that enjoys and gets their thrills from going after the non-criminal.

          Believe me IF you can move from a hell hole state and go to somewhere that is FREE, you will feel like a 200 pound python has been removed off your back, neck, and whole body. When someone moves from a hell hole they still retain the fears and the scars from living in a nightmare like NY or california, but it eventually goes away and you feel like, thank everything I am free from that penitentiary they call a state.

          If you can’t move, then I guess you have to make the best of it and try to distance yourself from the anti-gun and anti-freedom nuts that are quite abundant. I know from living in california, there are common sense people and then there is the majority of the population that are a reflection of the anti-self defense law makers. People that are not of the same belief have a hard time functioning together. Birds of a feather flock together.

          I tell you there are free states that don’t empower the criminal and let people defend themselves. Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho are the most free. However Vermont is a state that lets people carry firearms without a permit, one of 4; Wyoming, Arizona, and Alaska are the other ones.

          I just hope you can tolerate all those around you that want to turn their state NY and the country into the debacle of Europe. I hope those whack jobs, especially the tyranny ridden law makers of NY don’t stress you out too much. Poor Emily.

          • With regret BI I have to disagree with you. With respect I say that moving is not the answer. Your premise that moving to another state that is more tolerant or that the people are more like minded is the way to go does not suit my personal convictions.

            I believe that if some thing is wrong where you live, you need to correct it. You know I am a born and raised Californian. I take pride in it. My wife is a member of Native Daughters. If you want to clean up your house you don’t move to another house. You clean the house you are in.

            I will make my stand here and resit, resist and resist to the point where the state will have to deal with me. I may go down under the liberal boot of the benefit recieving, entitlement takers and in general sheeple fools that inhabit my state BUT they will know I was here and it is my hope that others will see my commitment and follow suit. (I hope :))

            If not, well I can say I did what I could. That alone is enough to allow me to go to my grave feeling that I was man enough to stand up to what I believe were very bad people with very un-american thoughts.

            God Bless America and God Bless the People on this Board.

            • @ BigB. You my friend have a lot more strength than me. When I left southern california it was like leaving a concentration camp, for me it was like escaping some Middle East country. I have been up in the area you are at, and the pollution for one thing was a lot less, and that was definitely one reason I got out. There is something else called the quality of life, and people should go where they are best suited and happy. I do miss being able to grow things year round, but it outweighs itself that I have all the true freedoms that in a free state that California could never offer, unless I went back in time about 60 years.

              I would also be extremely concerned about the San Andreas and the aftermath. While I believe you said you were 100 miles from it? I have for months being mentioning about the entire thing going off, and scientists have thought this impossible because of the creep (buffer zone). Well, it is amazing how I mention something on this site and then months later it is all over the internet. If there is enough momentum from the southern portion of it breaking it will force itself through this creep zone and the whole thing will break. High 8 range and several minutes of shaking. The aftermath of this will be unbelievable.

              Why do I mention this? To everyone that lives in california I want them to be prepared and ready for something that will last longer than the 2012 movie in duration IF the whole thing breaks and doesn’t stop at Parkfield. I do want people in California to be ready, because the misinformation they get out there is exactly that about earthquakes.

              In regards to moving to greener pastures. I ONLY give this advice to people because I want them to understand that there are other options to what type of resident suits them the best. I have seen numberous people from California, north and south, that have moved here and they truly enjoy it and feel so much freer. The weather is cold, and some go back for this reason alone. There are options as there are many states still that are much better to live in.

              I can totally understand your idea about cleaning up a hell hole, and in some circumstances this is possible. There are other times when it just is not plausible. Like I don’t think D.C. is going to be cleaned up ever unless a tsunami wave inudates it. The one thing California has is space, and there are happy little hamlets that are like enclaves that don’t take the direct blunt end of the horrors of cess pits of the main cities. I have been in them and visited them. The state as a whole has been made a legal nightmare by ass monkeys like feinlessstien and these other law makers and politicians that are mostly clones of BO.

              This is what drives so many people that seek freedom out of california are the laws that are like sticky Gorilla Glue. This is the problem with a state that has some nice little areas to live, the laws and regulations that won’t let people live their lives. The other problem is just not having anough people that want to live free. They compare san francisco and other areas to europe now, totally to europe and the majority of the people want it this way.

              I know this stinks, and hopefully you will not be caught up with this, being on the outskirts of this hell. I can see why you enjoy the agriculture part of it where you live. I have always wanted to someday raise bees, not only for the honey, but because they increase crop production many times over. I know someone that has a bumper crop of vegetables each year because of his bees. If you could flush those californian politicians and those anti-freedom extremists down the toilet, there could once again be a migration back to california. Until then, most those that want BO and to be “nannied” around are going to rule the state. I couldn’t believe the amount of people that voted for BO this time, it was almost the level of NY.

              Stay safe WHEN the San Andreas breaks and be ready for the aftermath. At least they haven’t limited californians to 7 round magazines like NY, yet.

              • I guess I am just type of person who wants to think I can make a difference. Last nights local news was all about new gun laws. As if we did not have enough. Sure enough up popped a new regulation being floated where you will have to show ID to buy ammunition. Not only that but they will track how much and what calibers.

                Dumb asses, Reno is 2 hours away and I am within a half hour of there once a week. That is the kind of crap you are refering to. Sensless bullshit laws.

                Now are you tring to scare me out of here with the San Andreas thing. I thought it floated up from S. Cal. and ended above San Francisco. I believed living on top of a hill above the state capitol would leave me with ocean property if the big one hit? And I know that it will be coming up soon. In my lifetime there has been a good 6 plus approx every 20 years. I think we have gone 24 since the Giants played the A’s in the world series.

                • @ BigB. The San Andreas is nothing to take lightly, it will all depend if there is enough energy to break through the creep zone to the northern section. This is something that I am not sure of. I do know that WHEN the southern San Andreas breaks it will continue to Parkfield. It will be between 8.1 and 8.4. This about the energy of 2000-5000 one megaton hydrogen bombs. If it continue to the north it will reach close to 30,000 one MT nukes. It is the duration of the shaking that will destroy everything. Every 2 miles of fault that breaks is one second of shaking. 600 miles of fault breaks = 5 minutes of shaking. 800 miles = nightmare. Even 325 miles is almost 3 minues for the south.

                  I have been directly on the San Andreas fault and the fault just keeps going and going and going. To be able to see the total length of the San Andreas from the Salton Sea area to about Parkfield you would have to be up 70,500 feet, this would be the horizon at 325 miles. Distance of horizon in miles= times the square root of heighth. Lets say you want to see the SA from Mexico to where it enters the ocean about 600 miles. Take 600 and divide it by 1.22 = 491.8 then mutiple 491.8 by 491.8 = 241,870 feet up you would have to be to up in the sky to see 600 miles from one end to one end, about 46 miles up.

                  I use this, the curve of the planet, to show people just how massive these faults are, and not to be taken with a grain of salt. It is kind of interesting also to have this formula as you can see how boats disappear below the horizon, you only see the top half of a distant island. Someone that is 6 foot tall would be able to see the horizon at about 3 miles. Someone up 100 feet up could see for about 12 miles.

                  I truly go by raw science and attempt to calculate the most exact numbers I can for a disasterous event. Trust me, when I say that the San Andreas has this much energy pinned up, you can pretty well take it to the bank it is fairly close to WHEN it happens. All I try to do is make everyone aware so they can prepare in this best way they can.

        • Im not buying it..too many back up systems, and our generating systems here in the USA are older systems that can be run manual very easy , I seen them and worked at these places, Its not that Hi-Tech..or hard to go back to the manual ways, its still all there as a back up..besides even if a virus had gotten in, all they have to do is power down the computers, and go old school til they figure it out
          all these places are is steam boilers, and turbines, and switching gear..

          probably if the truth were known, its a BS report to garner support for the governemnt to encroach futher into either 2 things
          running the power systems, or worse..computer systems, or both

          scare tactics
          like said before, when all they have is a hammer to solve thier problems with, everything becomes a nail for them to hammer down..

          They want us scared, and this is also the reason for these False Flags and BS 2nd amendment grabs, we are on top and scaring them because we are figuring out thier game, know thier money games are bullshit,we know how to make it without them..quite frankly thier jobs( big government) are on the line and they know it..we could starve them out in a week of everyone becoming UNITED, and not feeding the machine..and once the curtain goes up on all their bull shit, it wont be hard to get that support and they see this as a very big possibility

          they are scared of losing control over us, and with their actions lately, they will have deserved every bit of it.

          • Just remember who built America, it sure wasnt a politician, a president, or a congressman…it was people like us in the trenches getting our hands dirty, and sweating for a paycheck..we dont need them, and they know it

      64. is this the reason China is hoarding rice ???


        LONDON (MarketWatch) — What is the trigger for a revolution? Sometimes it a brutal act of repression. Sometimes it a lost war, or a natural catastrophe, that exposes the failings of a regime.

        But more often than not, it is soaring food prices.


      66. All joking aside, what is the deal with a militia. I am in NC and would like to know about joining one. Are they state by state or national? I am not a kook. Actually educated doctor. Really would like to know more about militias. I have a feeling that anytime any one gets more organized than 50 men or so, the organized would be infiltrated and eventually brought down as a dangerous,fringe, “terrorist” group. I bet any successful grouping of people would take almost a simultaneous outreach of similar minds with a common thought. Difficult to acheive as it would need to take place in a very short amount of time. There has to be more than a million men/women in this country that are near the boiling point as I am. Watching this country slip into shitdom is depressing. It is obvious that Obama hates the very being of this country and has something far different in mind for America.

        Anyone familiar with the ins/outs of militias? Seems like we are getting close to the “enough is enough” moment. I don’t think we can count on an earthquake or solar flare to set things in motion.

        • there is one thing about militia groups that you can be sure of

          EVERYONE OF THEM is eat up with one or more of the Fed gov’s
          alphabet agencies

          • Im not sure if I would want to put that target on my back.really on the fence about that
            also what Satori brings up is I feel they are deeply infiltrated with the alphabet groups, like FBI and CIA and such..reason being..again, fear , their fear

            its no wonder the media has made them into “kooks” or villans and such. they dont want like minded people massing and able to make a difference.Just like thay are doing to the preppers
            Also have you noticed how the militias have had the feds setting them up almost regularly to make them out to being a terrorist fringe group, and trying to lock them up..again fear, theirs

            Im almost at the point where i think they have become tainted with government infomers..stooges, and the real working members have been hampered by this, Its not that I dont trust the real members, Its the government infilTRATORS i dont want to ASSociate with..catch 22

        • Edwin Vieira, Jr., holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School).


          It’s a start understanding his views for us regarding militias.
          The Constitution mandates(orders us) to create and hold militias in our states for protection against foreign and domestic violence.
          Is it time? Or past time??

        • Gonetooling,

          Ask and you shall receive here a link to get you started with the militia.



        • No you do not want to join one unless you want to be on a lot of lists. The states used to have militias now they have the National Guard or Reserve units.

          The Federal government took it over, after usurping the constitution, again.

        • @Gonetoolong,
          In NC, you are already in the militia… look up state law…
          You are in the ‘unorganized militia’, in this state, ALL men are in the militia…

          The Organized militias, there is the NC Militia, be careful. You would be better off, finding local friends, that you have known for your whole life. Then just decide what and how far each one is willing to go to defend liberty or even defend your local area. OPSEC Doc, learn it, live it.

          Then hold the line.
          When the ‘shot heard round the world’ happens, we will all know.

        • Gonetoolong: Yes go read Edwin Viera’s several parts long articles at newswithviews website. He explains why ONLY state gov sanctioned militias are legit. IE: RE instituted by state legislators as law and run by/under state Govner as head.

          Edwin also just finished his monumental work of a several volume over 2300 pages book that outlines everything militia from A to Z and then some!

          His newest book on militias is costly aprox cost is $190.00 but he also has it avail on CD discs too, probobly less costly.

          His newswithviews site milita articles can be found under His name and click on Past articles to find militia stuf. That several part article is Long to read…But is well worth the time and explains way more than any has known probobly.

          Edwin has 2-phd’s and 2 or 3 Master degrees and won over a dozen us supreme ct cases in his lawyer carrear.

          He also wrote a 3 volume over 1200 page book on All you can know about Money from ancient money begginings to present delemas etc…Many consider edwin to be the Pre emminent athourity on Militias nationwide. On Money matters too. A True Genius!

          Read his stuf you wont regret it.

      67. dark days indeed…the 2nd amendment has a gun pointed at its head by the very damn people who want to ban guns….what kind of f’ed up country have we become? king barry and uncle joe can kiss my ass!

      68. Hey you, yea you you lame ass washington politician,
        How about taking care of the HUGE budget deficit before you try to heap even more legislation or executive orders on our already teetering pile,

        • I want to apologize to all of you who post here regular, i didnt mean to offend you, am just sayin what needs to be said, to those mentioned in the previous post
          EAT SHIT

        • Just cant help myself and i promise i will be civil with the rest of my posting here on this informative and entertaining site.

          • …there are smooth and flowery ways to converse…powerful and richly used words that can change the course of history….and sometimes you just gotta let the bassturds have it square in the teeth with words that are…well,just what the morons can understand without you having to explain yourself…its okay..let em have both barrels! 🙂

          • Kulafarmer–you’re excused..but what if the huge deficit problem IS the reason guns are being restricted and eventually (maybe) outlawed for all citizens to carry.
            Could 401s, pensions, IRAs, savings, CDs, bank deposit boxes, mutual funds jsut disappear???

            • This is exactly why they ate being banned, these idiots think they are pulling the wool over our eyes, even the financial people who send newsletters to my 80yr old Mom are warning everyone that that is coming,
              JJsan i think were being set up, if these jerks think the assault weapon ban will give them the edge they have another think coming, pure resolve will crush any brute,
              Discipline of fire
              Long distance ability
              Overwhelming numbers
              Pure hatred and undying patriotism
              A clear vision of history
              The MSM minimized the whole affair, dont kid yourself these guys are snakes, i have a good sense for good or bad people and very few on capitol hill are trustworthy.

            • JayJay, financial holdings will disappear but it will only be an illusion. The money will be electronically transferred in and out of various instruments, and We The People won’t hold any of them. Think NWO organized crime wave….

              • Yes, an illusion, digits on computers. But those digits right now pay many mortgages each month and paydays consist of those digits on computers..this will change when TPTB take it all.
                Keep your guns.

        • @Kulafarmer
          Hey, tell us how you REALLY feel….

          Seriously. You simply said what many feel but are too cowardly to actually say it…
          It may soon be time, to cry HAVOC and loose the dogs of war, but, methinks, Caesar Obama is too slick…
          What he has done here is set the stage for making the republicans, and all gun owners the BAD GUYS.

          Why? He is setting up 2014, while the rest of these EO’s, are fluff, to provide the bureaucracies a vague set of guidelines to implement The Plan. Combine this with the economic destruction, and operating the government without a budget, gives him basically unlimited hidden funds. (You think Harry Reid is stupid?)

          At some point, somebody, somewhere, is going to get it in his head, that the Federals are not our friends, and blood will flow. This, is his intention. TO keep pushing slowly, until somebody breaks.

          Make them shoot first. But, there is much more that can be done, as long as you don’t hurt anybody…

          • I feel with my fingers!
            Haaahaarrrdeehaaarrr. Ahem sorry cant help myself

      69. There are those who love liberty and there are those who love servitude…the two shall never meet…therefore we will see a splitting of some kind,at least for a time…these two can not co-exist…one has to perish…one has to capitulate….one has to rule and one has to be defeated…as one of Libertys sons,I wont be on the losing side….

      70. Hosea 4:6
        King James Version (KJV)
        6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.




        • Blessed be the lord my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle.

      71. i predict very soon here … wearing a u.s.s.a. federal uniform or carrying a u.s.s.a federal badge … even just being a u.s.s.a. federal employee … might be hazardous to a persons life .

        especially if you any where near the rocky mountains .

        warning : lead poisoning is hazardous to nwo zog u.s.s.a. fedgov stategov traitors .

        got enough rope ???

        • I hate to waste perfectly good rope,
          These state level wanna be dictators are no better than these jacks on the hill
          Beware of your state legislators, they are just as bad as the feds and every bit as guilty of this same type of sheis

          • KULA: I herad a couple weeks ago on I think it was fox tv news that hobammy is now building a new $35 Million crib in hawaii…Amazeing for a chicago hoodlum who entered the whitehouse with a net worth of if I recall right aprox $1 or 1& 1/2 million total worth.

            4yrs later hes building a crib wirth $35 Million now?

            Picture his new hood neighbors when he and his mammycoon wifey start having wild parties with a thousand Hood rats attending from detroit and chicago areas!

            I used to clean windows in all the wealthiest lower mich suburbs of detroit. One crib I did on reg basis was right across the street from aretha franklins crib…

            All the neighbors there were reviled by her wild monky bashes and parties in a former Quiet area filled with muli million dollar cribs..

            They all quickly learned reg folks language of “There goes the neighborhood”!

            • do the gun shops in hawaii sell .45-70 ammo ???

              • You can order it in, but the only way to really have a reliable supply is components and a press, even powder and primers can be tough to get, right now almost impossible. 45-70 now that a mule kick of a round isnt it, and i grumble about my 30-06

        • On the pipe again I see.

      72. There have been many very good comments and excellent observations. While to not lessen the seriousness we face regarding this particular subject… I must say – Watch the other hand.
        I wonder ~ are we being deliberately distracted, almost too pat for my digestion. It’s very difficult to watch the wack-a-mole game with this administration; but don’t let emotions become preoccupation.
        Too many moving parts to keep everyone divided, upset, frantic, etc. etc. etc. So very contrived. It becomes completely clear that it always seems to be a win-win for them. Ignore this, win! because you are in a hall of mirrors – Ignore that, win!
        Hard to follow one seriously outrageous and egregious act because they just keep coming.
        I am a tenacious jr. detective; but I might have turn in my badge and become re-preoccupied with growing tomatoes and all products related to eating them.

        ~..~ this guide will be satisfied with being the ‘gardener’ when it matters (musing over an e-book ‘Lights Out’)… folks have to eat… and I know how to grow it, can it, cook it. I’m certified by a silly little degree in – foliage meet dirt. Haha-ahem – some laughed at ?horticulture? really? what the heck are you gonna do with that? Uhmmm… I’m gonna grow stuff to eat! really well!!
        Fast forward 30 years – I can say I’m pretty good at it. Who’s laughing out loud now….
        Sorry – I’m not myself tonight. TG.

        • Horticulture is a respectable profession, the most respect comes from within because most people have no respect these days. Im a full time grower and wouldnt trade it for all the money in the, um lets try something else, money is starting to not be worth much, wouldnt trade my profession for all the olive oil in Italy!

      73. Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave o er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

        That America is the burning question, the star spangled banner is still waving but does she wave over a free and brave land?


        • It still waves yes but is fast being Replaced by a flag with a huge SIX Pointed Star on it. At least on most every tv news etc lately. most fed officials offices and the whitehouse also.

          For them what do not know it is the flag of Isreal I speak of as replacing the usa flag.

      74. Top Ten Reasons Why Men Prefer Guns Over Women

        #10 – You can trade an old 44 for a new 22.

        #9 – You can keep one gun at home and have another for when you’re on the road.

        #8 – If you admire a friend’s gun and tell him so, he will probably let you try it out a few times.

        #7 – Your primary gun doesn’t mind if you keep another gun for a backup.

        #6 – Your gun will stay with you even if you run out of ammo.

        #5 – A gun doesn’t take up a lot of closet space.

        #4 – Guns function normally every day of the month.

        #3 – A gun doesn’t ask , “Do these new grips make me look fat?”

        #2 – A gun doesn’t mind if you go to sleep after you use it.
        And the Number One reason
        Why Men Prefer Guns over women…..

        #1 – You can buy a silencer for a gun

        • This is hilarious. Oldie but goodie.

        • LOL…thanks Jayjay…

        • Nice one JJ and I think we can safely say that the thumbs down crowd are not men

          • I don’t suppose you’ve ever met any Progressive metrosexuals….

        • Good one, i like #10
          Sorry i called you jjsan earlier meant jay jay

        • And your post is why women think men like u are idiots. Ps real men prefer women, a gun can’t ” get you off”

      75. John has a long mustache…

        John… has a long mustache.

        • Red Dawn great movie.

          • Nah, the longest day…

            • You are both right, the sequence was used in both movies.

              • Yeah, I know…. but one had John Wayne, the other didn’t…

        • The chair is against the wall.
          the chair is against the wall.

          • Hey Smokin!
            Hope this finds you well, and busy…;-)

      76. “There will be pundits, and politicians, and special interest lobbyists publicly warning of a tyrannical all-out assault on liberty. ”

        “Not because that’s true”

        …. NO, BECAUSE IT’S TRUE!!

      77. Oops think this title missed its intended goal by a few thousand miles. No bans on semi-auto anything, no restrictions on high capacity magazines and generally the public support for such things seems to have dipped below 50% until the next time. They cannot get anything passed in the Senate either. States will be the only concern and anyone dumb enough to live in NY, CT, CA or other idiotic states gets what they deserve, limited options 🙂

        Anyways, can stop being paranoid for a while now. I can get another 80 pmags and 2 more surefire 60s and be happy.

      78. Congrats all-around! We did well!

        I finally put the pieces together….

        1. Sandy Hook
        2. Biden and Osama say we need to do something…
        3. Biden and MSM start Talking EO
        4. NY passes draconian Laws limiting 2nd amendment…

        Wait for it…
        Wait for it…
        Wait for it…

        WTF – No Crazies came out shooting up the place because the gov’t. was going to remove the 2nd amendment…

        So now…

        23 possible EO’s but really this just buy more time to build up the angst, maybe a couple false flags to make it seem like there is no choice but EO…

        Hold your line everyone and wait for them to take the first shot!

        • And just think, we have 30 more years of this guy. We know what is coming in next four years. Time to be mentally ready and just prepare. Nothing else we can do as of yet.

      79. Take a breath people. The 2nd Amendment is still in place and isn’t going anywhere (although New York is taking a pretty big swipe admittedly, but that won’t survive the courts). We had an assault weapons ban for 10 years and we didn’t lose the 2nd Amendment and we aren’t going to lose it now. Personally, I believe the NRA is stirring the pot because they are in bed with the arms companies, who are just absolutely raking it in right now based on the mis-directed and overblown fear that the big bad government is going to come door to door dressed in SS uniforms taking away all our guns. Seriously, does anyone really believe that is in our future? We’ve had Democratic presidents way, way more liberal than this guy and the 2nd Amendment is still intact. The arms industry is way too big a lobby in Washington to stand by while they gut the 2nd Amendment. It’s all about money and they have and are making plenty of it and they are pouring it right into the pockets of everyone in power, including those in the Democratic party. I just want everyone to stop and take a breath here because I’m sick of having to pay $1 per round for 5.56 ammo. Have you seen how much prices of everything has gone up? You can’t touch an AR for less than $1500, assuming you can even find one on the shelf. Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, Remington, Glock, they are laughing their butts off right now because gun owners are buying into this irrational fear that has no basis in historical reality. Let’s just calm the f down please.


        • I am calm, and what you claim is entirely false, except for the prices having gone up. This ‘hysteria’ is the work of the MSM media and the leftist politicians, not the NRA. We know this is serious and are buying what we need, and doing it quickly.

      80. Dude they were not “executive orders” witch have the force of law. They were “Executive actions” witch DO NOT carry the force of law. In fact they ONLY affect existing laws. In other words he did nothing at all. Today was a head fake.


        • Let us know how thats workin for ya when your medical records are downloaded by DHS and analized because BO did away with some of the roadblocks to cooperation, hope you dont have any emotional medication issues, and if you do i hope you dont mind giving them ALL your guns and not just that nice little bushmaster, make no mistake, the snakes are on the move

          • Oh goody …I just love stompin snakes…especially two legged ones 🙂

      81. Email or call YOUR representatives in congress! JUST DO IT! This is the way the game is played.

        • What about people like me
          Age 6 colors outside the lines
          Age 9 does not play well with others
          Age 14 has an issue with listening to directions
          Age 17 please just take him somewhere else
          Get the drift
          Some people dont really like playing games, especially wen my liberties are at issue,
          I realize that these folks on the hill, DONT GIVE A CRAP WHAT WE THINK
          So not sure what good one more letter will do.

          • @Kulafarmer

            I’m done talking to them. Not worth the time.

            • DO IT ANYWAY.


          • HEY! whered you find my school report cards?? 🙂

      82. Ok check this out if he wants to start banning things that kill innocent people everyday i have a better list for him.
        You have these to start
        Alcohol=dui’s= car crashes that kill people everyday

        the everyday house knife= most domestic violence ends with someone being stabbed

        cars- whether it be by some kid trying to impress a girl, dui, people texting, or talking on cell phone

        baseball bats- i mean come on this is obvious


        ezacto knives

        screw drivers

        really any kind of tool with a sharp or blunt edge



        all of these things have killed many people the list goes on and on. In truth only 3.5% of gun violence is a rifle to which in fact they never mention an assault rifle or hunting rifle or sport rifle open your dam eyes people this is only the start of it all

        • Dont forget meatballs, lots of people choke on meatballs, those nasty things should be outlawed!

      83. I find it most interesting that Obama is pledging $500 million to put towards these new actions. F**king amazing! We borrow money from the Chinese (essentially) to disarm ourselves. Beautiful.

        • i agree couldnt that $500 million be used for something else like say i dont know our trillions of dollars of debit

        • ~~~We borrow money from the Chinese (essentially) to disarm ourselves~~~
          Wrong–if he hires thousands using that money, they’ll just have titles and do nothing—kinda like Congress!!

      84. Good day!!! all is not lost..Not yet!!Was on a site called the (gaurdian.co.uk). google it.They have an article called .(gun laws in the us state by state). Anyway ,the have this interactive map of the USA,all state by state and there current gun law,s or lack there of.
        Boy was i suprised at how many of the states have very few or no meaningfull laws at all.Most of the heavy regulations are in the northeast,DC,CA and of course the great land of lincoln.now!!!I now see why he want’s to enact federal law.FYI.

        • That Brit paper is not being honest if what you said is there. Mich STATE guns laws fills a Book 285+ pages long that you get when apply for a CCW lic.

          In fact its so lomg and costly it is now given out on a single CD disc!!….Most states has as many gun laws as mich does. To say state laws barely exist? I say BS!

          2nd ammendt IS the FED gun laws period. Shall NOT INFRINGE! That IS FED LAW and ALL others are BOGUS Un const crap. Same as the Fraud Kenyan boywonder kommie. Fraudulent as can be. Fake citizen-fake Prez and Fake “Human”(ok I will give some slack…1/2 human with Other DNA traces per wash post article recently).

          • Its true, you get a disk, and theres no way you could ever read thru it all let alone understand it. Been a card carring member for over 12 years, or when ever the state became a “shall issue state” or better known as Shall innfringe State.
            and A CCW is a charge for carring a weapon of any kind concealed

            the licence ( infrigement) to carry is called a CPL
            Concealed Pistol Licence

            terminology needs to be kept correct on this infrigement, please

            a CCW is a 5 year felony

            • COL and CCW has been interchangable terms a long time..I had a lic to cary when we got a GENERAL permit…aka ZERO restricted areas.

              Then after a few yrs they switched to shall issue in mich and it has sevaral restricted areas.

              And Yes I did read the entire laws CD disc…Only parts I skipped over was where it speaks of various laws for teachers and school kids about school violence and guns etc…I neever go to any schools so have zero need to know that stuf.

              I did read the balance all the way thru…It took 3 days!

              • Schools and learnen are bad.

          • Angie. There you go again. Ape DNA and black folk. You are the dumbest ass on this site. Your wife must have ran off or screwed a black guy. You sure are mad at them.

      85. The disarmament clan has a timetable to keep, they’re on a roll, and, most importantly, they’re not afraid of us. With or without the Court’s blessing, the feds are going to try to strip away more and more of our self-defense rights.
        They won’t stop until-(unless)-they become afraid of us. We have the best firearms in history, we are the most armed people on the planet, we have an ingrained tradition of LIBERTY, and we have the priceless benefit of historical hindsight to understand not just the PROCESS of gradual tyranny, but its ugly finale of demonization, roundups, reeducation camps, confinement, torture, and execution.

        • BTP

      86. I would like to point out that Obama did not offer one concrete proposal today. This is a wish list, and I think it shows the President’s weakness on the issue. Sure, it made great press to say all the things he did amongst the ‘children shield’ deployed around him. But it is all smoke and mirrors.

        Get involved. Write your Senators and Representatives. And for God’s sake don’t assume that if your Congressman are Republican that they will resist the push towards gun control. They’ve already proved they’re a bunch of pussies by the way they responded to the ‘fiscal cliff’. Complain loud, complain hard, complain often.


        • Anybody else notice them “Childrens” behind hobammy had a Black boy dressed real nice in a classy Suit?…While the White boy was dressed in a Two size too big wrinkled pair of khaki pants and too big blue shirt?

          More subliminal promote africans above whites crap…aka Antiwhite scripted scenario. Antiwhite is everywheres now even JC penny catalog!….Ads show beautifull white woman with african hubby or a mex hubby.

          It is appearing daily everywhere you look. Antiwhite/antipatriot/anti american.

          Hollywood is absolute worst IE Movie “Dejango”

          Movie: Machette

          Every movie and all MTV crap type tv and sit coms tv is Multicultic antiwhite. Constant promotions of white women need have colored babies.

          The zio protocal plans are working as intended.

      87. Look at what has been presented to us. On first hand those 23 E.O’s collectively circumvent the Bill of Rights. We are not criminals according to FED Law, YET!
        The Battle in Congress will be over the Military Style weapons ban, large capacity pistol and rifle magagzines. Make us Felons unable to vote if past.
        Still there is the threat that gun, ammo, magazine ban and restrictions will be resurrected by E.O. if not past in Congress.
        Contradiction of which Federal Law Trumps State Law or is it the other way around in the case of New York State and no Fed Law at present.

      88. All these orders look like an INFRINGEMENT on the second amendment to me. It’s treasonous and i vote for impeachment proceedings…..

      89. Mark, I’d love to believe what you posted, but i’m afraid they will attempt confiscation at some point, then it’s game on. Kulafarmer, i’ll excuse you for venting like you did. Sometimes I do it too. We’ve all been worked up since Election Day over the gun issue. Joe Republic, I’m with you all the way on #1034765. I don’t recognize any of it as legitimate and I’m not giving up anything myself. Be Informed, onmce again you are absolutely correct on #1034203. This is one party I would love to pass up, but I’m afraid we’ll all have to attend if we want to survive as free people. braveheart

      90. Revelation 6:1-2….I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come! I looked and there was before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.”

        Sure glad we have a Noble Peace Prize winner as our Leader, thus we need no worries yet.

      91. Please forgive the length of this post some have seen it some of the new folks havn’t.

        My old grandpa said to me ‘Son, there comes a time in every man’s life when he stops bustin’ knuckles and starts bustin’ caps and usually it’s when he becomes too old to
        take an ass whoopin.’

        I don’t carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

        I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

        I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

        I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

        I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

        I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

        I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk
        somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

        I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

        I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

        I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

        I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

        Police protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police
        do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

        Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin’…..**********************************************


        In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929
        to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

        In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ——————————

        Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

        China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

        Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable
        to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
        —- ————- ————-

        Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

        Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

        Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

        You won’t see this
        data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

        Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

        Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!

        The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

        With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

        If you value your freedom, please spread this anti gun-control message to all of your friends.

        The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final
        weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.


        I’m a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward.

        • Beautiful. I love my guns. I will proudly show my love for my guns on Gun Appreciation Day.

        • The Japanese did invade and start a war with the U.S. or did that part of history slip past you? Instead of a fighting a ragtag of yokels the Japanese took a more suicidal route, start a war which bring the whole U.S. military on top of them. Much saner!

        • Furthermore, the 1938 German Gun Control loosen gun control from the strict disarmament policy of the Versailles Treaty. The majority with guns didn’t want the help out the minorities against the government? Oh well.

          But if you’re going to get killed then why not pick whatever weapon you can find or just fight back with your bare hands? People are suddenly defenceless without guns despite the fact that wars have been around a lot longer than guns? The infantry ranks of many Ancient Greek soldiers used nothing but their bare hands hence the ancient fighting style called Pankration.

          • I have a black belt in Pankration (dont tell me we dont have belts in Pankration) and I dont want to live without my damn guns. I love my guns.

        • The swiss…. guns yes…great… but because they are all WHITE. no gun violence.

          Mac I realize you are trying to keep your site from becoming a whites only club…but at some point we all must look at the fact that a mult-cultural society had issues.

        • JPFO Info. Aaron look down from above buddy.

      92. It’s a DAMN shame I lost all my guns to some lucky bastard in a poker game ( I had a straight flush to the queen…he had straight flush to the king) the other night. So basically I already disarmed MYSELF which sucks. I do have a nice slingshot i’m fairly accurate with so WATCH THE F**K OUT in my neck of the woods at very close range. He didn’t f*****g ban slingshots did he? Oh..and let’s not forget my baseball bat….a good close range weapon. I could even club deer in the head with it for food if I HAD too. The tire iron in the trunk of my car makes a handy weapon….you can bash someones face in good with one of those dandies. I have at least 20-30 kitchen knives that are pretty damn sharp. I could use them as throwing knives inside the home or possibly sneak up on a potential intruder and stab him/her in the ass. The forks in my silverware drawer could easily poke someones eye out or worse btw. I have lots of heavy furnature that if picked up and thrown at someone would do serious damage. The china collection could be thrown like freezbies at the bad guys if your are being home invaded for some serious potential hurt on someone. Scissors can make a fine stabbing weapon as can an ice pick. Weedeater can be used as a weapon, mower, edger, shovel, hoe, pitch fork,machette, axe, garden sheers, a ladder, rope,chain can as well. Fireplace poker makes a grand club to go upside someones dome with if you really had to.
        I could go on and on and on about all the OTHER dangerous potential weapons that can, have, and will kill again many many times. You CAN protect your home with some of these potential weapons if need be and people DID for centuries before the invention of the firearm rendered them all USELESS AGAINST A GUN.
        If the government was REALLY interested in stopping senseless murders why wouldn’t even ONE of these other weapons be up for a ban debate? Or at least make everyone register their shovel, axe, knives, whatever the case may be. The government doesn’t care about the people who were killed with these types of weapons because these types of weapons AREN’T A THREAT TO THE GOVERNMENT. Guns on the other hand…are a threat to goverment …thats the ONLY reason they want them so bad. There are murders ALL OVER this country every single day using weapons besides guns. Do you heard those deatails on the news? No. All you hear about is the gun violence. These MONSTERS simply can’t have their NEW WORLD ORDER until AMERICA is completely disarmed. I assure you they will stage as many school shootings as needed to get to the main goal. These toilet bugs get our guns goodbye the other 9 of the bill of rights to and…..checkmate for them.
        Holy sh*t I gotta go try and win my guns back from that asshole…..eh…on second thought….i’ll just stick with my flame thrower. He didn’t outlaw those did he?

        :>) :>)

      93. Molon labe

      94. As others have pointed out, the EO’s brief summaries APEAR on the surface to be semi-innocuous, but the devil’s in the details.

        First, who would trust any politician, much less a LIEbral?

        Second, they twist things to mean anything they want, i.e. the PATRIOT ACT, “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”, etc, etc, etc,

        People have been too lax with the gubermint overstepping it’s boundaries, especially since 9/11. The same enthusiasm displayed for protecting the 2nd amend. should be exercised for all the others as well.

        Be vigilant and stop fighting with each other…

      95. I was joking about the flame thrower btw….I’m sure MOST of you knew that…but you never know with SOME knuckelheads. Wasn’t joking about the firearms lost in a poker game. MAN I SUCK AT CARDS!!


      96. Let me explain what it takes to get a gun in NJ, from someone who has done it many times. First you fill out a long application plus a statement that allows your mental health records, if any, to be looked into. I think the application costs $60 some dollars. You have to affirm that you’ve never belonged to an organization that has tried to subvert the US Constitution. Ahem. You need three references, and the references are contacted and must return a paper saying they think you are fit to own a gun – questions about anger, etc. You then have to be fingerprinted but you can’t do it at the local police stations anymore. A foreign owned company has a handful of offices across the state where you go and get digitally fingerprinted. You have to make an appointment and I think it costs $70 dollars or so just to put your fingers on the glass and scan them. Then you wait a couple of months to get the firearms ID card which allows you to buy rifles or shotguns. When you buy a gun they do the NICs check and you fill out some other crap at the gun store that says you’re not a terrorist, etc. If, later on, you decide you want a pistol, you have to go through the process again for the background check – yes, again – you pay a new pistol permit fee, wait a couple of months, and you get a separate permit to purchase a pistol which is good for 90 days. It allows you to buy only 2 pistols in that 90 day period, and you cannot buy two pistols at once. The purchases of two pistols have to be thirty days apart, so each time you have to pay the $15 NICs fee to get your two pistols. Then if you want to buy ammo, the ammo is always behind the counter and you must show your firearms ID card and they copy down all the information about your purchase. And at most gun stores, just to hold and fondle a gun you have to show your firearms permit card. When I was a kid in the 80s, at twelve years old I could go into a local gun store and buy ammo with no permit of any kind. It’s all changed in twenty years and it will for you too if you don’t do anything about it. I tried to buy a slingshot band online and was told they could not sell to me because slingshot bands and slingshots are illegal in NJ. It’s coming to your state unless you act.

        • Enough is enough. This is our country. Its time to kick these vermin the hell out.

        • I voted with my feet in 91 to escape S-166 and Jim Florio. Worked my tail off with the Coalition of NJ Sportsmen & the NRA-ILA prior to moving. Jim Florio was being groomed by the powers to be. We derailed his plans.

          That place is nuts. Save your money, pay the damn “exit tax” on your home and move to America as long as there is an America.

        • Schlomo–why are you still there??

      97. Wonder how many letters from kids supporting the 2nd Amendment Obama received.

        Guess we’ll never know……..

        • those kids were snatched by CYS and spirited away to re-education camps..their parents were disappeared for raising up threats to the security of the police state…guess well never know…

      98. Resist


      99. This article is misleading. I’m no fan of the Administration but he did not ban the manufacture of any guns by the stroke of a pen. This proposed legislation is going through the legislature.

      100. “Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool.” — Paul Begala, July 5th, 1998

      101. If Katrina is any indication, not one bullet will fly when they come for your guns because you all are a bunch of COWARDS! BHO had it right all along about you all clinging to guns and the Bible. There are more than enough police and National Guardsmen who have sold their soul for a paycheque along with all of the taxpayer funded equipment and ammo to round you all up into railcars, and land your sorry asses into FEMA re-education camps. All this talking shit about Molon Labe is just that, SHIT! You are out gunned and out manned because nobody wants to be first to pull the trigger, and every one of you are thoroughly divided and economically conquered, minivan driving, overmortgaged
        no-lifers. How many times do you draw a line in the sand
        only to be encroached by more incrementalist legislation?
        You all know about the Federal Reserve being violation of
        the Constitution concerning the coining/regulating/issuing of your nation’s currency. It’s a private bank
        cartel that has wrecked your nation for 100 years, and it’s in your face, yet no one is doing anything about it!
        Kennedy couldn’t do anything about it. What makes you think that you are going to do anything about this in your face violation by the Fed? Get it over with, already! Unite, nut up/shut up and ger ‘er done or take
        down those Gadsens and go along with the program like the
        de-nutted sheeple you know you all are.

      102. I actually expected worse. At some point I expect him to direct the BATF to administratively suspend all FFL licenses and essentially shut down the ability to buy or sell weapons and ammo.

      103. Is anyone paying attention? The President clearly punted the prospect of an Assault Weapons Ban to Congress, which means it isn’t happening. Those “orders” he signed are mostly just vague recommendations, pork, and Obamacare related moves. Don’t get me wrong, Obama and the gun grabbers would love to ban everything, but the political reality is they’d be impeached or worse and they know it.

        • I hear you but in NY they already passed the 7 bullet BS. Now they are trying to expand this everywhere and without the GOP house this would be law everywhere. We should not even be having this conversation at all. We should not even be wasting time on this gun issue, we should be talking about this debt which we are not, we are on to thid fraud president who will not stop to disarm us. I hear you and know what you are saying but we can’t let this happen even in any state!! This is America!!!!

      104. We have to not just look around at others to see if people are going to let this slip on disarming people or do something about it. A post above said nobody above is going to want to pull the trigger first, but you must know how much your going to let these feds push you around and take your rights.

        The sad thing is they will WANT TO AVIOD VIOLENCE AND TAKE THEM AWAY SLOWLY AND AT A WEAKENED STATE OF MIND. when they can take supplies and ar-15’s, the future generation will not be able to get weapons to protect themselves with prices so high and out of reach.

        They will start using the medical system to focus their time and efforts to disarm us, they should be focusing their time on this debt but they will be looking for small crimes such as having a 30 round mags at the shooting range, you get arrested and take what you own and disarm us one by one. they will BRIBE the local law inforcement community in many states with huge funding for every person they find with a “illegal mag or weapon on them. at that point they have a new law saying can go into your home and steal everything you own all your guns and ammo at that point and receive federal funding for their district. You know this will happen, money talks with these fuckers.

        If you liberals can’t see what they are doing to you(even if you dont own a gun) why the fuck do you support Obama so much? Do you really think that if you vote for a GOP member you will lose your section 8 and free phone. Boy, if all it takes is a few freebies such as a phone and free healthcare to keep you loyal to the liberal party its all over for you. You are the enemy just as much as a rogue white house barrack POS Obama. I feel no sorrow or guilt for you at all!

        Just letting these obvious 2 faced liars steamroll all over your freedoms and rights to protect someone who is black or a liberal seems pretty stupid to me. Do you really think this is about the children liberals? Not at all. You can call us crazy but I hope when the dollar is gone and you never supported our side and violence erupts and you need help, I hope you beg for your life when you get stabbed or the crap beat out of you for help and try to break into a home and someone shoots you dead. We don’t need anymore stupid people destroying this country.

        Preps I prey for you and be safe you single women! Practice and have confidence and relax if you ever have an attacker break into your home. IF you shoot someone and its 7 rounds and you shoot someone. make sure you have 2 mags present so they can’t have some “defending” lawyer for the family of the dead perp try and make you look guilty and say you broke the law and have you at the wrong and pay for damages. We live in a SICK and no common sense country anymore. It’s only about money and nothing to do about safety and common sense. Only how to screw someone for money anymore!!!!!

      105. As usual, you morons so ably showcase your lack of intelligence, inability to read, or both. The executive orders say nothing of the sort. The high capacity magazine is in no way infringed you idiots. It is proposal is to be taken up by Congress. I am a gun owner and the stupidity I see here makes me understand why a lot of people view gun owners as lunatics; because you give them good reason.

      106. How ’bout we keep our guns to defend against the drug cartels that this government of criminals saw fit to arm!

      107. The very term “gun control” is contradictory to the phrase “shall not be infringed”, which seems completely unambiguous to me. There is already far too much infringement on my constitutional rights from past legislation that has ignored the supreme law of the land, and the God-given rights that no legislator or government executive can infringe upon. I’m certainly not going to respect any attempt to further inhibit my right to protect myself, my family and my property. I’ve never hurt or threatened anyone with a gun, but all that will change if they try to disarm me.

      108. Google Ruby Ridge, they will snipe you gun owners before you can imagine getting a shot off in defense of your family and property or mainstream media will call your home a compound and your family a cult like waco. we lost our country, so just deal with it.

      109. How about a deck of flash cards with the photo, name, and address of the top 50 gun-grabbers in congress. And we know who the Joker is.

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