Will a Prophet Assume Command?

by | Nov 6, 2012 | Headline News | 192 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    This article has been contributed by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform.

    “The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.” – Strauss & Howe  The Fourth Turning

    Strauss & Howe wrote these words in 1997. They had predicted the arrival of another Crisis in this time frame in their previous book Generations, written in 1990. This wasn’t guesswork on their part. They understood the dynamics of how generations interact and how the mood of the country shifts every twenty or so years based upon the generational alignment that occurs as predictably as the turning of the seasons. The last generation that lived through the entire previous Crisis from 1929 through 1946 has virtually died off. This always signals the onset of the next Fourth Turning. The housing bubble and its ultimate implosion created the spark for the current Crisis that began in September 2008, with the near meltdown of the worldwide financial system. Just as the stock market crash of 1929, the election of Lincoln in 1860, and the Boston Tea Party in 1773 catalyzed a dramatic mood change in the country, the Wall Street created financial collapse in 2008 has ushered in a twenty year period of agony, suffering, war and ultimately the annihilation of the existing social order.

    We have experienced the American High (Spring) from 1946 until 1964, witnessing America’s ascendancy as a global superpower. We survived the turbulent Consciousness Revolution Awakening (Summer) from 1964 until 1984, as Vietnam era protests morphed into yuppie era greed. The Long Boom/Culture Wars Unraveling (Fall) lasted from Reagan’s Morning in America in 1984 until the 2008 Wall Street/Federal Reserve spawned crash. The pessimism built to a crescendo as worry about rising violence and incivility, widening wealth inequality, and the splitting of the national consensus into extremes on the left and right, led the country into a winter of discontent. The Global Financial Crisis (Winter) has arrived in full fury and is likely to last until the late 2020’s. It will be an era of upheaval, financial turbulence, economic collapse, war, and the complete redefinition of society, as the existing corrupt status quo is swept away in the fury of powerful hurricane winds of change. History is cyclical and we’ve entered the most dangerous season, when the choices we make as a nation will have profound long lasting implications to the lives of future unborn generations.

    The linear thinkers and so called progressives who believe that history charges relentlessly forward and human ingenuity overcomes all obstacles as the world becomes progressively richer, advanced, and humane ignore the lessons of history that have been re-written every 80 to 100 years for centuries. Generational theory is so simple that even an Ivy League intellectual economist, corrupt congressman, or CNBC anchor bimbo could grasp the basic concept. The four turnings in the ongoing cycle of history match a long human life. There is a reason we forget the lessons of the past. Those who remember the lessons die off after 80 years. The linear thinking status quo keep predicting an improving economy based upon their beliefs that the next fifteen years will proceed in a similar fashion to the last fifteen years. They refuse to acknowledge we’ve entered a new era that cannot be reversed to a previous point in time. Once you’ve experienced the harsh bitter winds of the Winter, you have to deal with months of depressing darkness, harsh conditions, and stormy weather before experiencing the return of the warm breezes of Spring. The tranquil days of autumn are long gone. This dynamic can be clearly visualized by comparing our economic situation in 2007, prior to entering this Fourth Turning, to our economic situation today:

    End of Unraveling in 2007 versus fourth year of Crisis in 2012

    • In 2007, the unemployment rate was 4.6%; 146 million people, or 63% of the working age population, were employed; and 78 million Americans were not in the labor force. Today, after three years of “recovery”, the unemployment rate is 7.9%; 143 million people, or 58.8% of the working age population are employed; and 88 million Americans are not in the labor force.
    • Real median household income was $55,039 in 2007. It has fallen by 8.2% to $50,502 today.
    • BLS reported inflation has risen by 12% since 2007. True inflation has risen at twice that rate.
    • Median net worth in 2007 was $126,400. By 2010 it had fallen to $77,300, a 39% drop in three years. As of today, it may be a few thousand dollars higher as stock prices have risen and home prices have stopped falling.
    • In 2007 there were 5.7 million existing homes sold at a median price of $218,900. Today there are 4.3 million existing homes being sold at a median price of $183,900. Over 1 million of these home sales are foreclosures or short sales, as 30% of all the homes with a mortgage in the country owe more than their house is worth.
    • Federal government spending in 2007 was $2.73 trillion. Federal government spending today is $3.8 trillion, a 39% increase in five years. GDP in 2007 was $14.2 trillion. Today GDP is $15.8 trillion, an 11% increase in five years. Approximately 25% of the GDP increase is due to increased government spending.
    • Government entitlement transfers totaled $1.7 trillion in 2007. Today they total $2.4 trillion, a 41% increase in five years. Interest income paid to senior citizens and savers totaled $1.25 trillion in 2007. Today interest income totals $985 billion, a 21% decrease in five years. Wall Street bankers needed the money to pay themselves bonuses, so Ben Bernanke obliged.
    • The annual deficit in 2007 totaled $161 billion. Today, the annual deficit is $1.1 trillion. We add $3 billion per day to the national debt as a gift to unborn generations.
    • The national debt in 2007 was $9 trillion. Today the national debt is $16.3 trillion, an 81% increase in five years. The national debt will reach $20 trillion during the next presidential term. Normalization of interest rates to 2007 levels would result in annual interest expense of $1 trillion, or 40% of current government revenues.

    There is nothing normal about our current economic situation. The unfunded liabilities at the Federal, State and local levels of government accumulate to over $200 trillion. Do the facts detailed above lead you to believe we can return to pre-2007 normal in the near future, or ever? Not only has the economic situation of the country deteriorated enormously, the very culprits who created the disaster are more powerful than they were before the global catastrophe caused by their criminal risk taking. The largest Wall Street banks control 74% of all the deposits in the country, up from 66% in 2007, and double the levels from the mid-1990’s. These bastions of capitalism wield all of the power in this country, dictating who wins elections, who writes the laws, and who benefits from the distribution of wealth. Only in a corrupt, crony-capitalist, citadel of kleptocracy could the perpetrators of the greatest theft of national wealth in the history of mankind be rewarded with taxpayer financed bailouts, the ability to borrow an unlimited amount of fiat currency at 0% from a Central Bank they control, write the new banking regulations and be applauded by their corporate mainstream media for becoming even Too Bigger to Fail. This Fourth Turning will ultimately come down to a clash between the people and the Wall Street filth.

    Those in power today are using their ample wealth and control over the legal, economic and political systems to pretend that an epic crisis does not beckon at our doorstep. Propaganda and media spin cannot avert the brutally hard choices that must be made over the next fifteen years. The existing system is unsustainable. It can either be changed by choice or after a complete collapse. We haven’t reached the point of regeneracy yet when civic purpose begins to strengthen. The outcome of this presidential election will determine the next phase of this Crisis. Strauss & Howe described the normal course of a crisis in 1997:

    “A CRISIS arises in response to sudden threats that previously would have been ignored or deferred, but which are now perceived as dire. Great worldly perils boil off the clutter and complexity of life, leaving behind one simple imperative: The society must prevail. This requires a solid public consensus, aggressive institutions, and personal sacrifice. People support new efforts to wield public authority, whose perceived successes soon justify more of the same. Government governs, community obstacles are removed, and laws and customs that resisted change for decades are swiftly shunted aside. A grim preoccupation with civic peril causes spiritual curiosity to decline. Public order tightens, private risk-taking abates, and crime and substance abuse decline. Families strengthen, gender distinctions widen, and child-rearing reaches a smothering degree of protection and structure. The young focus their energy on worldly achievements, leaving values in the hands of the old. Wars are fought with fury and for maximum result.” – The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

    Clearly this country has not reached a common consensus and is split 50%/50% on most important issues. Debates about the role of government are waged with vitriolic passion, but the reality is that, as in past Fourth Turnings, the government has already assumed a greater level of power and control over our lives. The majority believe that government can protect them, provide for them, and pay their way. This is a delusion which will be revealed as fraudulent and mathematically impossible. The incompetent government preparation prior to Superstorm Sandy and the dysfunctional, bureaucratic and painfully slow response afterward are opening the eyes of many people. The decisions which are yet to be made are what kind of society shall we be and who will be required to sacrifice to achieve a positive outcome at the end of this Crisis. Turnings are driven by a mood change in the country and the constellation of generations at that point in time. The generations are now aligned as they always are during a Crisis:

    • Boomers entering elderhood
    • Gen-Xers entering midlife
    • Millennials entering young adulthood
    • Homelanders entering childhood

    History does not repeat but it does rhyme, because of the cyclical nature of human experience. The specific events that drive this Crisis are unknowable, but the generational response to these events can be predicted with uncanny accuracy. Each generation will play its assigned role during this Crisis. The current generational configuration will propel events and create a feedback loop that will change the course of human history on a scale consistent with the Depression/World War II, the Civil War and the American Revolution.

    “What will propel these events? As the saeculum turns, each of today’s generations will enter a new phase of life, producing a Crisis constellation of Boomer elders, midlife 13ers, young adult Millennials, and children from the new Silent Generation. As each archetype asserts its new social role, American society will reach its peak of potency. The natural order givers will be elder Prophets, the natural order takers young Heroes. The no-nonsense bosses will be midlife Nomads, the sensitive souls the child Artists. No archetypal constellation can match the gravitational of this one – nor its power to congeal the natural dynamic of human history into new civic purposes. And none can match its potential power to condense countless arguments, anxieties, cynicisms, and pessimisms into one apocalyptic storm.” – The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe

    The mood of the country continues to blacken. A simmering anger boils beneath the surface of an everyday façade of normalcy. The middle class majority is being squeezed in a vice, with the rich powerful plutocrats on Wall Street and in Washington DC stealing their hard earned net worth through financial scams, the gutting of our industrial base and a tax system designed to benefit those who write the laws on one side and the parasitic willfully ignorant underclass that is sustained only through the extraction of taxes from the working middle class on the other side. Our society has become a hunger games tournament, with the few benefitting while the many scramble to survive. The stench of class warfare is in the air. The generational resentment and rage is palatable as the Millenial generation has taken on a trillion dollars of student loan debt at the behest of the Federal government, Wall Street and older generations, only to graduate into a jobless economy. The generational contract has been broken, as the older generations will not or cannot leave the workforce due to their own financial missteps. Younger generations are being denied entry level positions, even as the older generations expect them to fund their retirements and healthcare. This presidential election will only exacerbate the anger, disappointment, bitterness and fury among the populace, no matter who wins.

    Prophets & Nomads

    Can generational theory predict who will win the presidential election? Probably not, but based upon historical precedent, during times of Crisis the country usually turns to a Prophet generation leader who provides a new vision and summons the moral authority to lead. This leader may not have the right vision or have the backing of the entire population, but he is not afraid to take bold action. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was despised by many, but he boldly led the country during the last Crisis. Abraham Lincoln won the 1860 election with only 39.8% of the popular vote, but he unflinchingly did whatever he thought was necessary to achieve victory and preserve the union. Prophet leaders like Samuel Adams and Benjamin Franklin offered the sense of moral urgency required to sustain the American Revolution. Strauss & Howe give a historical perspective on Prophet generations.

    “Prophet generations are born after a great war or other crisis, during a time of rejuvenated community life and consensus around a new societal order. Prophets grow up as the increasingly indulged children of this post-crisis era, come of age as narcissistic young crusaders of a spiritual awakening, cultivate principle as moralistic mid-lifers, and emerge as wise elders guiding another historical crisis. By virtue of this location in history, such generations tend to be remembered for their coming-of-age passion and their principled elder stewardship. Their principle endowments are often in the domain of vision, values, and religion. Their best-known historical leaders include John Winthrop, William Berkeley, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, James Polk, Abraham Lincoln, Herbert Hoover, and Franklin Roosevelt. These were principled moralists, summoners of human sacrifice, and wagers of righteous wars. Early in life, few saw combat in uniform; later in life, most came to be revered more for their inspiring words than for their grand deeds.” – The Fourth Turning – Strauss & Howe



    Barack Obama was born in 1961. According to the Strauss & Howe generational distinctions, this makes him an early Gen-Xer. His life story matches that of the Nomad archetype. His chaotic early life, confused upbringing by an array of elders, frenetic alienated early adulthood as a community organizer, and his rise to power through his public speaking talent and pragmatic ability to achieve his agenda is a blueprint for a Nomad. Mitt Romney was born in 1947 and grew up during the American High. His childhood was idyllic and privileged. His moral Mormon youth as a missionary eventually devolved into his yuppie “greed is good” career at Bain Capital acquiring companies, making them more efficient (firing Americans & hiring Asians), and spinning them off, while siphoning millions in fees. He has tried to convince Americans to vote for him, based upon his business acumen and moral lifestyle, as the cure for what ails America. With the continued downward spiral of societal mood, record low trust in Congress and 60% of Americans thinking the country is on the wrong track, the odds should favor the Prophet candidate. The 40% of Americans who think the country is on the right track are a tribute to our awful government run public education system or are smoking crack.

    The Barack Obama presidency has many similarities to the one-term presidencies of Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan. Both men were overwhelmed by rapidly deteriorating events, an inability to understand the true nature of the Crisis, and failure to inspire the American people to rally behind a common cause. Both men drifted off into obscurity and are overwhelmingly acknowledged as two of the least successful presidents. The men who succeeded them are ranked by historians at the top of the list, even though they are both despised by more libertarian minded citizens as proponents of big government solutions and control. Libertarians will not be happy with developments over the next fifteen years. This Crisis is an era in which America’s corrupt social order will be torn down and reconstructed from the ground as a reaction to the unsustainable financial pyramid scheme which is an existential threat to the nation’s very survival. Civic authority will revive, cultural manifestation will find a community resolution, and citizens will begin to associate themselves as adherents of a larger cluster.   

    Barack Obama has fallen short as a Crisis leader, just as Buchanan and Hoover fell short. Buchanan also tried to maintain the status quo and not address the key issues of the day – secession and slavery. His handling of the financial Panic of 1857 led to annual deficits that exceeded 13% of GDP during his entire presidency. His legacy is one of failure and hesitation. Hoover was a technocrat with an engineering background who failed to recognize the extent of the suffering by the American people during the early stages of the Great Depression. It is a false storyline that he did not attempt to use the power of the Federal government to address the economic crisis. Federal spending increased by over 20% during his term and he was running a deficit when Roosevelt assumed power. Hoover was an activist president who began the public works programs that FDR expanded and dramatically increased taxes on the rich and corporations in 1932.

    Obama inherited a plunging economic situation and proceeded to make choices that will make this Crisis far worse than it needed to be. He has failed miserably in addressing the core elements of this Crisis that were foreseen by Strauss and Howe over a decade before the initial spark in 2008. Debt, civic decay, rising wealth inequality due to the rise of our plutocracy, and global disorder are the underlying basis for this Crisis. Obama’s response was to run record deficits driving the national debt skyward, failing to address the unfunded entitlement liabilities that loom on the horizon, bowing down before the Wall Street mobsters and paying their ransom demands, layering on more complexity and unfunded healthcare liabilities to an already teetering government system, and extending our policing the world foreign policy at a cost of $1 trillion per year. A Crisis requires a bold leader who makes tough choices and leads. Obama has proven to not be that leader. Based on historical precedent and the rapidly deteriorating mood of the country, it would be logical for the country to select Romney, a Prophet generation leader.

    No Escape   

    “Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning the way you might today distance yourself from news, national politics, or even taxes you don’t feel like paying. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted. The Fourth Turning necessitates the death and rebirth of the social order. It is the ultimate rite of passage for an entire people, requiring a luminal state of sheer chaos whose nature and duration no one can predict in advance.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

    No matter who wins the election, there will be no turning back. It isn’t Morning in America anymore. It is more like Midnight in America on a bitterly cold dark February night as the gale force winds begin to gust, foretelling the approach of an epic winter blizzard. There are no easy solutions. The opportunity to alleviate the impact of this Crisis was during the late 1990’s and early 2000’s, and we made all the wrong choices. Now we will pay the price. An era of depression and violence will be ushered in by an economic calamity that will make 2008 look like a minor blip. The next president will still be presiding over a country divided 50%/50%, with little or no common ground on most of the key issues that must be confronted. But, as we’ve seen in previous Crisis periods, bold leadership and history making decisions did not require consensus or even majority support. Only 10% of the colonial population drove the American Revolution. Lincoln was despised by half the country and not exactly loved by everyone in the North. FDR’s popular support progressively declined during his four terms in office. It is the Fourth Turning events, not the nation, which elevates the person to the apex of power. The regeneracy of the nation will occur during the next presidential term.

    “Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention. The regeneracy will be solidly under way.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

    The Millenial generation is coming of age faced with the burdens of $1 trillion of student loan debt, a stagnant job market clogged by the Boomer generation that can’t afford to retire because they never got around to saving, ever increasing taxes to fund the promises made to their elders by politicians, and an unfunded entitlement liability of $100 trillion for healthcare and pension benefits they will never see. The mathematical impossibility of sustaining our economic system is absolute. It will require courage, sacrifice, fortitude and a dramatic shift of our egocentric selfish culture to a culture of sustainability and caring about future generations. We’ve made many bad choices over the last few decades. Choices matter. These are the times that will try men’s souls. The choices we make as a nation over the next few years will determine whether this Fourth Turning ends in a renewal of our founding principles or tragedy. Glory or ruin – the choice is ours.

    “Thus might the next Fourth Turning end in apocalypse – or glory. The nation could be ruined, its democracy destroyed, and millions of people scattered or killed. Or America could enter a new golden age, triumphantly applying shared values to improve the human condition. The rhythms of history do not reveal the outcome of the coming Crisis; all they suggest is the timing and dimension.”– Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

    The next stage of this Crisis is likely to be ignited by a downward spiral of societal trust caused by the next financial implosion, which is certain to occur. A world built upon debt, false promises, interconnected webs of deceitful derivatives, fiat currency backed only by the promises of lying politicians and captured central bankers, and a diminishing supply of easy to access natural resources, is hopelessly dependent upon the willful ignorance of the masses. As long as people want to be lied to rather than facing the truth, those in power can maintain the status quo. Once the jarring realization of reality overwhelms the propaganda and lies of the oligarchs, the battle for middle earth will begin. What will trigger the next phase of this Crisis? No one knows for sure, but based on the fault lines already evident, these are a possibility:

    • The inevitable breakup of the European Union with the consequences of massive bank defaults in Europe triggering worldwide bank defaults as the interconnected trillions of derivatives are lit like a string of firecrackers.
    • A sudden Greece like surge in interest rates on Japanese bonds results in a collapse of their debt ridden economic system, with reverberations throughout the world.
    • The Middle East tinderbox explodes as Israel attacks Iran and the law of unintended consequences takes hold. Alliances and treaties would draw Turkey into war with Syria and Iran. Russia and China could side against the U.S. Iran and their vassals would unleash terrorist attacks and disruption of Middle Eastern oil would drive prices over $200 per barrel, crushing the American economy.
    • A showdown on the debt ceiling and/or fiscal cliff results in a stock market crash, derailing the pitiful fledgling recovery created by Ben Bernanke’s QE to infinity measures.
    • A tipping point is reached with regards to the amount of debt that can be accumulated by our Federal, State and Local governments. A cascade of defaults could lead to a loss of faith in the U.S. dollar and a surge in interest rates. The defaults and increased interest on the national debt could lead to mass depression or in a worst case scenario – hyperinflation.
    • A large terrorist attack in one or more American cities would cause chaos, panic and fear, leading to more government control over our daily lives. This could trigger a counter response by those fed up with an overbearing government presence.
    • A catastrophic natural disaster or series of natural disasters would reveal the fragile nature of our just in time economic system. A breakdown of our logistical and infrastructure systems would lead to chaos and mass hysteria as the citizens who believed their government leaders would keep them safe, secure, warm, and fed realized it was all a sham. Their leaders were in it for the power and riches, not looking out for the best interests of the common folk.

    No one knows for sure what will trigger the next leg down during this Crisis, but I can guarantee you that things will not be getting better in the near future. Don’t believe the mainstream media or politicians who tell us life in the good old U.S. of A will be back to normal in the near future. And those who predict a long slow gentle decline of the American Empire that can be managed by the oligarchs are badly mistaken. That is not how things roll in a Fourth Turning. Transformative change, chaos, desperate measures, and total war will propel our nation through this cataclysmic saeculum and a positive outcome is not assured. An armed conflict – class war, sectional war, religious war, or war for oil – will be waged at some point and fought to the finish. Fourth Turning wars do not end inconclusively. Each Fourth Turning war has resulted in greater destruction and more horrendous numbers of human casualties. The trials and tribulations that await this nation over the next fifteen years will challenge every living generation to play their roles and bravely confront the tasks needed to reach a new High, just as their ancestors did.

    “History offers no guarantees. Obviously, things could go horribly wrong – the possibilities ranging from a nuclear exchange to incurable plagues, from terrorist anarchy to high-tech dictatorship. We should not assume that Providence will always exempt our nation from the irreversible tragedies that have overtaken so many others: not just temporary hardship, but debasement and total ruin. Losing in the next Fourth Turning could mean something incomparably worse. It could mean a lasting defeat from which our national innocence – perhaps even our nation – might never recover.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

    For those who doubt generational theory and believe history is a linear path of human progress, I would point to the last week of chaos, disarray, government dysfunction, and misery of those who didn’t prepare for Superstorm Sandy, as a prelude to the worst of this Crisis. The lack of preparation by government officials and citizens, death, destruction, panic, anger, helplessness and realization of how fragile our system has become is a perfect analogy to our preparation for this Fourth Turning. The brittleness of our infrastructure and lack of redundancy in our systems has left us vulnerable to any large storm. Building mansions yards from a dangerous unpredictable sea is akin to allowing Wall Street bankers to create interconnected financial derivatives which will ultimately result in a great worldwide flood that will obliterate billions of wealth. Going decades without upgrading our power grid, transportation systems, or storm protection is akin to allowing our unfunded entitlement liabilities to accumulate to such an extreme level that it will be impossible to honor and the coming storm will swamp those depending on those promises. The lack of foresight by citizens in having food, water, and backup sources of power and heat in case of an emergency is akin to the millions of people that have lived the good life in debt up to their eyeballs while never saving for a rainy day or their retirement. When the rainy day arrives they panic and demand to be saved by an inept bureaucratic government.

    Winter has arrived. The gathering storm is about to strike. Are you prepared?

    “Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning


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      1. Well, we can only prepare and be ready to the best of our ability. As to an actual prophet , i don’t know. We know God puts certain actions into the hearts of men. This is why we have to watch for the closing of the churches. Then we will know the time has come.
        Prepare and be as ready as you can. Heed the storm warnings.

        • Today it starts. What will finish be like.

          • Listen to the interview with Hugh Akins:

            Listen to the Master Race’s own words about you and your fate.

            • JQP: yep, seems to be a big mixture in the article above, of new ager-protocals of elders-and Freemasonery. The later, freemasonery, managed by the second entity, protocal elders.

              Its keeps repeating that “There no way back to when it was good etc”…Really?…So how did germany make it back to better than before/good due to wiemer hyperinflation era?

              Answer= Simple! the germans devised a New Different monetary method. WithOUT Debt based, and Zero intrest/usuary based cash.

              Their recovery took slightly less than 5 yrs total. I wont again post long posts which verify and Prove what I say here since I alrerady have posted plenty of such info for past articles here.

              I will say though, that there Is a different and better way and it don’t need or require ANY austerity by Us peons etc as this article sure seems to be convinced upon.

              This article kept repeating how we elders must sacrafice etc…I read that to mean like Greese’s nation and people are doing Now. WRONG!

              Austerity such as greese is stupid and wont fix a thing. Last nite on RT news tv they said greek officials are awaiting their next pay off of $30+billion euros but Must first convince greek folks to allow MORE austerity!

              So what occures once them folks got zero to give up?…Will euros keep pouring in to maintain greek polititions etc? Or is that when Greek folks all agree to simply sign over their entire nation-peoples-possessions-homes-cash-gold-silver and FOOD?

              If yes?…Who do the greeks hand it over to?…A few Hundred jew banksters types?…..Maybe greeks will do so?

              But not americans who did their homework and KNOW whos the True culprits to blame eh!

              Them what knows knows its the “TYKW”‘s(the you know whos).

              Who/Why says we ever have to repay Looted fiat cash done Purly by and thru Swindles since 1913 fed res act (thanks dems)?

              As Nancy Reagan said for dope…”Just Say NO!!!”..No to swindler banksters!…What can they do?…ZIP! nuthin!

              Except go on whining of being persecuted Victims for another 100 yrs of crying fits…But This time around the entire world will show a Deaf ear to their tribes whinny crys, based upon Lies.

              I Hope its a Fifth Turning and that God Almighty has Chosen Us folks to be His Swords of Rightous Indignation and Justice once and for all time!

              Everyone know the verse “Those who live by the sword will be likewise killed by the sword” right?

              Well then Logic dictates it means Evil use of weapons will be delt with in like manner…Then Somebody has to be the Ones to wield that sword of Justice! No?

              Perhaps that will be Us…And its the reason we all was born in This time and century eh?…..Time will tell. Tic-Toc…

              • I agree entirely. Iceland kicked out the Banks and are well on their way to recovery.

              • Jim Quinn is so full of shit that it must run out of his ears.

          • Dunno… I still have the urge to grab some popcorn and treat it like a sporting event tonight.

            I mean, just because the world is going to hell doesn’t mean you can’t get at least a little humor out of it once in awhile.

            • OQ, to tell you the truth, if either candidate accepts defeat tonight or tomorrow I will be very relieved. If my man wins so much the better.

              With the poll numbers where there at I think it is VERY LIKELY there will be no “winner” lawyers, courts, and judges will call this one (a la 2000) but this time a huge chunk of the country will go berserk absolutely bat sh*t. On the right I’m not sure whether it would be explosive or a slow burn, on the left there will be buildings burning within the day. Race will be a factor either way.

              As always with this prediction non-sense I hope I’m wrong. But I have the feeling I will be living in an angry, tense, country for some time to come.

              Happy days are here again…

              • Well yet again I prove I am no psychic.

                I am relieved the country isn’t waiting to find out who will be declared the winner from lawyers and judges.

                Well why then does it seem I am less than excited about our future?

            • Keep prepping everyone. No matter who is elected, difficult times are ahead.

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          • They’re not talking about an actual prophet. The Fourth Turning talks about four generational archetypes, one of which is the prophet. It’s kind of like saying the millennial generation or generation x. It’s basically talking about people of a certain age group at a particular time.

            Great post, Mac! I had been craving an updated Fourth Turning editorial.

        • Actually this is some good common sense writing that is also a perspective of how many think and feel.
          He says: Those in power today are using their ample wealth and control over the legal, economic and political systems to pretend that an epic crisis does not beckon at our doorstep. Two things: 1) we their pretend is what we call a lie 2) any doubts about domestic enemies (legal, economic, and political systems) taking away our freedoms and enslaving We The People?

        • Then you can really start thumpin’ your Bible.

          • Threadbear and Gregor: You’re both correct, now is not the time panic and look to a book of mythology for answers to problems we’ve created. This is what cowards and people of margianl intelligence do; they let others (ministers) do their thinking for them.

      2. There is a storm on the horizon…prepare!

        • We are very close to not having anytime to prepare. Problem is we still don’t know exactly what we are truly preparing for.

          • FBP
            Read your Bible, then you’ll know. (if God opens your eyes)

            • Amen

            • Although I believe in freedom of speech, I wouldn’t appreciate for someone to tell me to go read my bible. There are many people who do not believe in any religion or that belong to a different religion altogether. On a site visited by a variety of cultures, I think it would be much more polite to leave such statements to yourself. Netiquette some might call it.

              • Greg,

                We cannot forget that this nation was founded on Christian principles, and our laws reflect that. If we erase Christianity from our public life, we will in essence be erasing ourselves. Love it or hate it, Christianity is an absolute must if we are to preserve any form of freedom, only by God are our freedoms guaranteed, if God is removed, who will guarantee our freedoms then? Government? God forbid!!

                • Our country was founded under Christian principles, but developed freedom of religion. For ALL religions. Christianity does not support true freedom. If Christians had their way, people would not be able to decide to have abortions or gay marriage or to practice other religions. I myself do not support them either. However, I support the right for every man and woman to decide for themselves. Christianity is not an absolute must. We as a species survived for thousands of years before Christianity was ever recorded on a piece of paper. Just my opinion.

                • Not really. The USA was founded on Freemasonic principles mostly by Deists (practical atheists).

                  The truly Christian principle is the social reign of Christ the King. Christians do not banish Him from the public sphere. As one or many possible examples, true Christians do not schizophrenically pretend that they can be “personally” against child murder, but allow it to be practiced “legally” in their nation. Same for usury.

                • CJMartel: I’ll call B.S. on that comment. You and others of the Christian Right perpetuate this myth of a ‘Christian Nation’. That implies were are a theocracy, which were surely are not. Then you back off a little and claim that we were ‘founded’ on christian principles, please enumerate those principls. You know that’s very slippery of you folks, it’s like going from Creationism to Intelligent Design: same thing, just a diffent name. I’ll apologize if you can show me anywhere in the U.S. Constitution, even a single line, from the Bible. I’m standing by for you to enlighten me. Peace Brother.

              • Gregor, read Judges, I and II Kings, I and II Chronicles, Proverbs and Lamentations. You don’t have to be a believer to learn about the effects of increasingly bad rulers and the horrors of the Babylonian captivity. Or to find wisdom and beauty in an ancient, historic work of art. As David Byrne says, “Same as it ever was…same as it ever was…same as it ever was…same as it ever was.”

                • Same as it ever was…That makes me think how in 3000BC it was a “Golden Calf Idol” in a desert area…

                  Flash fwd to 2012 AD and its now morphed into a “Bronze Bull OX Idol”….Sculpture located now in front of their New temple for money changers…NYSE=Wall Street!!

                  Yet same as it ever was= Exact Same folks=Money changers today..Hmmmmm…..WWJD?(what would Jesus do?) He’d make a whip/ar-15-12ga…And Royally Kick their Asses big time and BOOT em OUT!

                • I read the bible as a boy, I will not again. The bible definitely has good teachings, but so do other religious texts. I have found religion creates a lot of prejudice. I would rather stay away from such things. That being said, don’t take for granted your ability to practice religion. Imagine what it would be like to have that right stripped away. Now place yourself in the believers of what you would call “false religions” shoes who believe in their faith just as much as you believe in yours. If you had your way would you truly strip away their religion?

                • Gregor, now try reading the bible as an adult. Start in the New Testament with Matt., Mark, Luke, and John. The Old Testament pointed to Jesus and if you read the old in light of the new everything will fall into place. Only a suggestion. I too read it as a boy then read it as an adult, big difference.

                • You need to book of fabtasy to know the effects of bad rulers, you just need intelligent thought.

              • And now you’ve stirred up the religious nutcases on this site. They’ll be the first out slaughtering “non-believers” — salivating now for the SHTF scenario that will enable them to do just that. It’s happened before, it’s happened again. Religious intolerance as an excuse to commit atrocity.

                Mama Bear, why don’t you go read the Talmud or the Heart Sutra or any number of other religious texts? Followed by millions and just as important. You truly have drunk the cool-aid.

                • Oh, I used to believe. And then I grew a conscious and my eyes opened.

                • Timothy, I am 100% confident that I have read more assorted religious texts as a medievalist than you are likely aware even exist, from a wide range of religions, sects, cults and heresies, many of them while wearing white gloves and sitting in an ancient books archive. My point, which your miserable reading comprehension seems to have missed, and gee, why is that surprising, is that there is valuable historic and literary components to the bible, no matter what your faith.

                  Gregor, if you read the bible as a BOY, you didn’t read it. Likewise, if you read Moby Dick as a BOY, you didn’t read it. Or the Iliad, or King Lear, or The Sound and the Fury. Your literary opinions are completely bankrupt unless you have read things as a MAN. Don’t be a cultural retard, either of you. Gregory 8, that goes for you as well. I don’t care terribly much about your faith, but take umbrage at the ignorance and illiteracy that foams from your lips and minds.

                • Theres a MIGHTY BIGdifference in religion,and what Jesus tells us we should do/live in the bible. Never forget that RELIGION was invented by MAN to control the masses. What the bible says is what God intended. And yes read the bible as an adult. First ask yuor Father in Heaven to give you clarity when reading. If you are not born of the spirit, it will be tougher to understand and to read. Ill be praying for you all,. GodsTwisted Sister

              • Hi Gregor,

                One of the Americsan Founders, Thomas Jefferson – an extraordinary man whom I admire with all my heart, the writer of what I belive is the most inspired document to ever be penned without direct divine influnce, ‘The Declaration of Independence’ – once wrote to the effect that we should be entitled to all those rights which, “do not interfere with the rights of others to pursue thier own rights and happiness…’ I am not quoting him directly here just communicating the gist of what he stated. I beleive in a higher authoity personally but I do not beleive that my choice of beliefs should compel – under any circmstances! – other free choices in the world. Most who do believe – especially in these strained times – do live in the hope that ‘faith and faithfulness’ will help to guide us through the turbulence whch is consuming the world more and more rapidly. to be sure, theree is ‘angst’ among the Children; That is literal German for ‘fear’ and I suppose that in that fear we all fall back onto those things which are a comfort to us in such times. Having said that, there are, is a more militant component that is at it’s fundament, of the mindset, ‘Beleive as I do or else!…” I abhor those types for they know the mind of God not at all. Only thier childish fears and small concerns. If mankind does not soon fiond a ‘New Way’ I fear the outcome will be grim and terrible….more than we can imagine. Thus I continue to pray and HOPE that others of good will and character will – by thier own lights – come to that place, from where we can all become a concert of spirit and make a NEW BEGINNING. G’Day and good luck friend.

            • I have read most ever text in most religions. First there is a huge difference between religion and ones faith. Everyone say the bible. Please remember the bible just as all other religious text was written by man.

              So again we do not know what we are truly preparing for.

              • No… not “we.”

                _YOU_ do not know what you are preparing for.

              • A good reason to read the bible even if you are not religious is that it contains prophecies. the accuracy is 100%. So if previous predictions have been fulfilled you can be sure that the remaining predictions will also come to pass. Concerning what to prepare for, in reading the book of revelations chapter 6 is a good start. It is my opinion that in 2001 the first seal was opened, 6 years later 2007 the 2nd seal was opened which means that 6 years later 2013 third seal will open which references economic collapse then in 2019 4th seal will open which is wrol and famine/death. Then things move quickly leading to persecutions 5th seal then nuclear war 6th seal. Then trumpet judgment where ‘mother nature’ freaks out. The seventh trumpet is where the mystery (rapture) takes place. Somewhere in there other prophecies will take place like the mark of the beast and the rise of the antichrist. This is just a broad outline to get people thinking about what may happen. Take care.

                • They are hardly prophecies and more of events that are sure to happen with time. I could predict the fall of America and the rise of a new super power…it is sure to happen…eventually.
                  Of course that is just my opinion, and it’s as valid as yours is.

                • http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page7.htm

                  Here is an interesting site explaining the many prophesies of the Bible. There were far more false or non existent prophecies than there were accurate and true. And it quotes straight from the scripture so to prove its legitimacy and to avoid anyone who would try to deny its authenticity. You would have to be a fool to ignore these.

          • Actually, preparing for the ‘unknown’ is not all that difficult. For the last 6,000+ years of the various forms of ‘written’ history, survival (or living – depending on your perspective) has always required the ‘basics’ of food, water, defense, shelter and the mental means of “keeping what you claim as yours”.
            The schemes – the plans – the ‘evil’ that is/are born in the mind of man are nothing more than variations of one major theme that almost always involves ‘greed’ which has always been one of the major ‘driving forces’ buried in the motivation of man to ‘ultimately’ bring harm against man.
            Those ‘schemes’ are virtually endless in the means by which they are carried out and there is no possible way to ‘plan’ against them all (those are the ‘unknown’ variables) – especially when you have a legislative branch of the government (Congress) constantly ‘rewriting’ the rules in which a person is ‘allowed’ to protect themselves… BUT, the basics of ‘personal’ survival have never changed – and never will.
            To re-emphasize a point: just as the founding fathers of this once great country embraced the concept of “keeping what you claim as yours” and took up arms against the opposing force, it’s undeniable that today – “we” – are faced with those same opposing forces, and, just as the founding fathers – having exhausted all other means in dealing with a tyrannical parliament and king were left with only one alternative to ‘right’ a ‘wrong’, it appears that the unknown we are preparing for is NOT all that ‘unknown’ after all – and it appears that we too are being left with one ‘last’ and ‘final’ alternative.

            History states that may of (some would argue ‘all’) the signers of the Declaration of Independence put their lives and ‘fortunes’ on the line for what they believed was the ‘right’ and ‘only’ thing to do – and the vast majority lost BOTH. Are we willing to do the same?

            Food for thought: Military ‘force’ is noting more than a government’s intention of imposing its’ will against another government’s will. Plan accordingly…

            • Of course, in this case, it is HIGHLY likely that the coming conflict will be between the US government and US citizens.  The Founders added the phrase “all enemies, foreign and domestic” to our founding documents in multiple places for a reason. Considering all that has happened to incrementally strip away our rights and to add more and more government power, especially since WWII, the government is already turning itself into an anti-constitutional oligarchy.  This change will not reverse itself and it will not stop of its own volition.


      3. Israel still needs to rebuild the Temple of Soloman yet. I do believe these are the end times. Accept Jesus Christ as your savior while you still have time!

        Just saying…

        God Bless

        • @ Norse Prepper

          He is our only true Savior. Time was short 2000 yrs ago when the words of the New Testament were penned. How much shorter now…?

          pray & prep for we know not the day nor the hour…

            • No disrespect intended Prepping Preacher, you certainly know the verses. But others may not.

              • back @ YellowSubCmdr: thank you, and none taken

          • No problem, you ask JC to save you. I’ll ask Sam Colt. And may God defend the right!

            • I think it very possible that one issue that has caused untold turmoil over the past two millenia will be resolved, perhaps as part of this Fourth Turning. That is religious prejudice and hatred. Personally, I am with the camp here who have studied many religions and find the spiritual impulse that underlies them all completely convincing. I also respectfully decline to follow any of them exclusively. Some of the most barbaric acts have been, and continue to be, committed in the name of religion. If we come out of this chaos with a clear acceptance that what the Founders proclaimed–the freedom and wisdom of religious conscience–it will be a tremendous victory for humanity.

              To me, the epitome of spiritual guidance was given in two simple sentences by Gautama Buddha: “I am a finger pointing at the moon. Don’t confuse the finger with the moon.”

        • There are too many religions saying the same exact thing. They all claim they are the one true religion and that all others are false. I truly believe that the idea of religion is not a coincidence. It is very likely that there is some divine figure. However, I do not believe that you, me or anyone in this world has the authority to decide who or what that divine figure is.

          • @ GK

            I will be the first to admit that I didn’t and can’t decide who God is. That is like me deciding if an oak tree in my yard is a tree. It doesn’t matter what I decide. It is a tree.

            I will always try to teach others what my faith is and it is their choice to listen or it is also their choice to not pay any attention. Either way, I have done my job. If I tell the truth and someone doesn’t believe it, what does that make it?

            Others have faith that theirs is the right god as well. I encourage them to practice their religion as it is their choice. I respect their ability to choose what they believe. If someone believes in Allah, that is their choice and I will pray for them.

            In the end, we will all die and be judged by our creator. It won’t matter what I believed here on earth at that point of judgement because the truth will be before me. I am comfortable with my choice.

            If I am wrong, then I turn in to a rotting body and eventually dirt and none of this means anything anyways. If I am right, I will bask in His glory for eternity praising His holy name.

            To non believers, what if you are wrong?

            God bless…

            • As the Dali Lama said,
              We are all on the same journey, we just take different paths.

      4. VERY good article by Jim Quinn. However, it seems to be a blatant plug for Willard. Barack is not our prophet but Willard certainly isn’t either. Perhaps he should have inserted Ron Paul in that fourth picture or at the very least left it blank.


        Matthew 7:15

        Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

        – King James Bible “Authorized Version”, Pure Cambridge Edition

        • Beware of False Prophets

          David Henke

          “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves,” (Matthew 7:15).

          You will never meet anyone who will say, “I am a false prophet, follow me.” He will present himself as a true prophet, and he will appear to be true. But, you must search deeper and examine his “fruit,” that is, his prophecies and teachings. The best method of discerning the truth is by a critical examination, because the truth will stand the strongest test, but error will be exposed.


        • Apostle Paul said that

          “that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head — Christ”

          (Eph. 4:14,15).

          Beware of False Teachers

          Ephesians 4:14,15

          • Not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, who turn themselves away from the truth. [Titus 1:14]

            Behold, I will bring of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee. [Apocalypse 3:9]

            And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: [2 Thessalonians 2:8-10]

        • Wolves in sheep’s clothing, indeed. I don’t have a link to post, but have you read what Gordon Duff has to say about one of the “wolves” over at Veteran’s Today? Interesting stuff.

            • IF we were smart, we would forget about civil war. Instead we would all join together, apprehend, prosecute, and punish the dynastic banksters, their enforcers, enablers, puppets, talking heads, and toadies for their wars, genocide, and economic crimes against humanity. After they are punished for their capital crimes, we would repatriate all they have looted over the centuries.

              • Yeah? How? There’s no one willing to do anything about any of it.

                As for God, I’m in serious doubt about my own belief now. I was raised catholic, but I have always thought that the organized religions don’t really matter. Belief in God was the real core. Not catholic, baptist, Lutheran, etc. Believing in God, living your life for good. Don’t lie, cheat, steal. Take care of and treat your children with love and teach them those core values. And also family and friends. Don’t harm or hurt anyone. Character is very important.

                But after this treasonous traitor won the election by lying, buying votes from the leaches of our immoral society, my faith is shaken to the core.

                The last 4 years have been real hell for my family. We have lost everything. Our home, job after job. We were homeless and jobless for 7 months last year We have lived in 5 different states during that time chasing jobs.. We refuse to give and go on welfare. I was hanging on hoping they would wake up and vote him out.

                I know being homeless and hungry is unfortunately the reality for the foreseeable future for a great many people. I’m in my mid forties and I had 9 kids. 5 are grown now. But I have to try to give my youngest children hope when I have none myself.

      6. SALVATION ~

        I need no earthly man nor woman to be my guide (prophet) to finding my own Inner Peace through Forgiveness of Myself – creating personal salvation in life .

        ~CocoPuff CrackHead Proverb ;0P

        • “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”

          ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

          • Yup, I concur Coco.

            • I can not argue with that at all

              • @fbp … PissOff Ya’ Pillow Biter .

                ;0P pssszzt

        • Albert Einstein on God and Prophets –

          I was barked at by numerous dogs who are earning their food guarding ignorance and superstition for the benefit of those who profit from it. Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional “opium of the people”—cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not become smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims.

          — Einstein to an unidentified adressee, Aug.7, 1941.

          • @ Coco,

            ….very good…….almost ‘sublime’

            • Coccopuff Crackhead, is an enigma wrapped up in a riddle.

              • That kinda makes him sound like a piece of candy…I hope it’s chocolate.

                • @Daisy,

                  I’d be a little careful with THAT particular analogy…
                  it involves eating and such like and COULD go where you’re not anicipating 😉 I love your post Daisy, if you’ve read a few of mine you’ll know there’s nothing in the preceding that’s coarse or crass…

      7. Biblical signs the end is near:

        Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20 The ultimate hatred is telling someone evil is good, and they should embrace it and accept it. “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?” Luke 11:11

        “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.” 2 Timothy 4:3&4

        “Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.” 2 Peter 3:3-7

        “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. “At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. “Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. “ Matthew 24:9-12 An interesting observation: since the United States founding no one in this country received any persecution for their belief in Jesus,

        For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. “Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” Matthew 24:21&22

        “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” Matthew 24:32-34

        “But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.” Daniel 12:4

        We are living in exponential times. The world’s knowledge is increasing at exponential rates, as is our technology.

        Besides typical prepping, what else can be done? “. . .take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.” Ephesians 6:13

        “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?” Matthew 16:26

      8. The tragedy of our times is that one party, the Dems, found voter sheeple success with their ‘Great Society.’ The GOP unfortunately, abandoned its soul and tried to mirror them as Democratic Lite. (Thankfully, the Tea Party has arrested that and begun the long haul back to sanity).

        Still, a smiling Marxist, the Manchurian candidate obama, seizes the opportunity to bring napalm to the fire. And the sheeple applaud as he croons Al Green.

        Snuff the ‘progressive’ blaze here and now or live in its charred ruins. Vote Romney. He’s not the complete answer, but there is no alternative. It’s a start.

      9. All the Prophets are dead and gone on to the Father. There is nothing new under the sun as far as God is concerned.

        The article is rather lengthy and repetitive and can be summed up in a few sentences. Here is my stab at it.

        The discouraged are looking for a “hero”, when they should be looking for their Saviour. As a nation, we have confused “Freedom and Liberty” with the ability to maintain a warm and fuzzy lifestyle. You know what I mean; a lifestyle that permits having the means to acquire more than we actually need. The lifestyle that gets you a few trips to the Mall and Super Wally each week via your new vehicle,and to return to your cushy,oversized,energy robbing house. The lifestyle that gets you a couple week long vacations each year, so you can falsely believe you are somehow more revived and successful at life.
        Instead of following the Wall Street Journal and the NY Times, we should be following the Bill of Rights.

        As a World society; we are “regressing” instead of “progressing”. With all the technology and availability of information of today, we still kill off hundreds of thousands each year in the name of religion,medical care,pharmaceuticals,and a desire to “get high”. That figure goes into the millions if you start counting the unwanted pregnancys that are conviently disposed of thru the approval and instigatings of governments. We are not becoming more intelligent, we are becoming more “accustomed” to letting governments and politicians tell us how we are supposed to think and live. We let large doses of mind bending and hynotic scenes corrupt our individualism and creativity via the TV screen.

        Our “Hope and Change” is now based on what our government leaders can do to provide a better life for us instead of a “Hope and Change” based on a “personal” relationship with our Heavenly Father and Saviour.

        • don’t tread,

          You have written a brilliant post. The hope we instill in our children is that of being good little zombies in school. We are drugging our children at alarming rates, over 8 million school age kids are on some sort of mind altering drugs. Our future is grim since these children who will inherit the world, will never be of right mind due to the permanent damage to their brains. There is so much blame to go around but we must start with ourselves for allowing this horror to occur.

          You wrote, “Our “Hope and Change” is now based on what our government leaders can do to provide a better life for us instead of a “Hope and Change” based on a “personal” relationship with our Heavenly Father and Saviour.” That statement is true to the core, thank you.

        • Don’t Tread FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!

          • @

            Thanks for the vote “of confidence”, and thanks to all that see as it really is.

            Tina, if I were to run for President (I’m not), I probably would meet my maker very soon. The first thing I would push for is doing away with the Federal Reserve and backing the $$ exchange with Gold and Silver. Secondly, I’d temporarily shut down all immigration except for elderly, with families legally inside the US and willing to accept them without taxpayer assistance.
            I would eliminate the threat of a nuclear Iran, once and for all. This nation “was” founded and the Constitution was ratified, only with the Bill of Rights specifying that our freedoms were “first and foremost” granted by our Heavenly Father, the Father of Abraham, Issac, Jacob and Jesus Christ. No more mosques established within the US. Don’t like it, then we will pay to ship you to Syria. No more Muslim Brotherhood visits to “any” citizen bought and paid for facilities such as the White House or the Capitol Building.
            The next big thing on the agenda would be to incorporate Mexico into US borders and stop illegal drugs from coming in from South America via Central America. With Desalinization Plants on the Gulf and Pacific coasts of Mexico, there could be jobs for anyone wanting to work to grow year round crops. Never any shortage of food supplies and Monsanto could forget about controlling the food supply.
            With a level playing field on the energy supply. Bio-diesel plants could be the next generation of “Mom & Pop” local businesses. Throw in the availability of affordable components to manufacture our own solar and wind technology and the dependancy on Wall Street controlled utilities would make the Duke Energys,Edisons, and the propane companies of the USA, operate as they should or, be operated by the people and for the people.
            Four year term limits on all Senate and Congress folks. No buying your way out of political cronyism. Strict prison terms for anyone defrauding the taxpayers. No exceptions.
            That would be a start. Yea I know what you’re thinking. Where the hell did this Don Quixote come from? The Impossible Dreamer.

        • @Don’t tread
          Great post you are so correct and it is so sad that so many people do not see that.

          @ Live Free
          I think what we have done to our children is horrible, all the meds, free time to do as they please, no structure , nothing to believe in and that everyone should have all the same eg. A trophy for ever team and team member even if they lost (all that does is teach them they don’t have to work for it let someone else do the work I’ll still get rewarded) Our children are our future and this is what we are doing to them.

        • don’t tread,

          execellent post!! Well said!!

          A friend sent me a link to a Youtube video on the same subject. I have posted it on the next article.

          I too wish more could see and understand this.

          KY Mom

      10. Ahhhh,

        I beleive that this is…

        “The ‘Immaculate’ Perception.”

      11. Yo, MAC!!!

        Just now, the mta.disneykoolinahawaii… is gone! Whatever you did, you got it out!!! Backtrack it now.

      12. Winter is coming

      13. What a crock os shit NO FOURTH TURN ITS A CIRCLE!

      14. This is my favorite part which is the successful dumbing down of America over several decades. As long as the masses have their American Idol and Monday Night Football, life is GOOD ! 😉

        “A world built upon debt, false promises, interconnected webs of deceitful derivatives, fiat currency backed only by the promises of lying politicians and captured central bankers, and a diminishing supply of easy to access natural resources, is hopelessly dependent upon the willful ignorance of the masses. As long as people want to be lied to rather than facing the truth, those in power can maintain the status quo. Once the jarring realization of reality overwhelms the propaganda and lies of the oligarchs, the battle for middle earth will begin.”

      15. Quinn has been saying the same shit for two years with no solutions. If there are no solutions STFU, everybody is aware of the situation that will listen. Trying to pretend you are a rocket scientist proves nothing but that you are not.

        • Jim, not everyone who postulates seeks a solution.

          But with respect to TSHTF, what are your solutions? What are you going to do about it? Do you have some articles we could read — especially those that are solutions oriented?

        • The solution is simple. 100 million American gun owners and Patriots must come together as a powerful political force and Third Party to challenge the status quo.

          100 million American gun owners must communicate, organize, volunteer, donate, and vote for a party of Patriots, Veterans, and Constitutionalists.

          This party of NEW Patriots must be a grass roots phenomena taking power at the local level and then the Congressional level.

          100 million American gun owners must donate a minimum of $100 each to this NEW Patriot Party to fund a new national organization devoted to the American Constitution.

          Candidates must sign contracts to receive financial backing from the Party that provide for civil and criminal penalties for acts and votes for legislation that is clearly UN-American and UN-Constitutional.

          All local legislation could be reviewed by Party members on the Party website. Federal Legislation could be monitored in this way too.

          All WE need is an organization, commitment, dedication, contributions, and donations. It can happen this way. If it doesn’t WE will be stripped of OUR liberties one, by one, by one.

          Political power in the hands of Patriots is the one thing that the Globalists and Dual Citizens that run this country fear most.

          One armed Patriot casting his or her vote is one thing; 100 million armed Patriots casting their votes for a true Patriot is a revolution.


          • DK: Your solution is ‘No Solution’. You still leave a large and powerful federal government. What we need is something more like the older Articles of Confederation with a few tweeks. This leaves much less power to the Feds and lets it lie where it should, at the local and state levels. The military would be drastically downsized and augmented by a very large militia/guard with every man armed. No more foreign interventions and no deficit spending. Politics would become far more local and controlable this way when people can really decide their own fiscal and social destinies through local politics. This has worked well for Switzerland which is one of the healthiest (fiscal, social, and physical) countries on the planet, and they haven’t had a war in centuries. Go figure!

            • G8: Actually it is a great solution and one that is EASILY deployed. The electorate was evenly divided between the Communists on the Left and the Fascists on the Right.

              It was a choice between two evils.

              Only 120 million Americans voted. A Party of Patriots, organized, funded, and staffed by veterans, Constitutionalists, Patriots, and Gun Owners could easily defeat the Left or Right.

              The people want a choice. Liberty and Freedom is not a “true” or false” question. They REQUIRE multiple choice.

              If not US, who? If not now, when?

      16. Gee, do you think that the “hits” on this sight will fall off should Romney get elected? The whole “prepper” deal go the way of so many other “fads” for alot of newbees.

        Mac has got to find some bad news someplace, so we all can get our daily dose of “doom and gloom”.

        As a survivalist since the 1980’s, I’ll just keep on keeping on.

        Dig in deep, bite down hard, see you on the other side.

        • Will the “hits” fall off?

          Absolutely not!


          The agenda continues no matter who wins today.

          Neither candidate has addressed the economic downward spiral nor all the other evidence as portrayed so clearly here..

          Is this RICH99 speaking in tongues?


          • No possee, I’m not Rich. My eyes are open and I’m not locked into much of the bullsh*t that some are. I just like to keep an open mind and wait to see what God has planned for me next. Can I do that?

      17. This is the time to stop looking for answers from assorted idiots and be your own deitydamned prophet.

      18. 37 TRILLION $$$ DOLLAR BLATANT WALLSTREET THEFT FRAUD ROLLS ON and ON … guess who pays for it ???

        SPECIAL REPORT: The DTCC’s $36.5 TRILLION Flood Fraud – Bix Weir & Andy Hoffman

        Andy Hoffman of Miles Franklin and Bix Weir from Road to Roota join me to discuss the latest breaking Wall Street Fraud: The DTCC’s claim that a large amount of their $36.5 Trillion in securities holdings at 55 Water Street in NYC have been “damaged” by flooding from Hurricane Sandy. How convenient. Just when the criminality on Wall Street reaches an apex, they come up with a way to burn (or drown) the evidence of their epic crimes. Just like on 9/11 when WTC-7 collapsed at free fall speed taking along with it all of the documents in the ongoing Enron fraud investigation. You just can’t make this stuff up. That’s why we wanted to get this one on the record.



      19. If you voted in the last election to prove that you were not a racist, please vote this time to prove that you are not a dumb-ass. I would say idiot but that would be giving an idiot a bad rap.
        On a side note, i was at lowe’s the other day and there plants were half-off. I picked up peach,plum, and apple trees for $11 a piece. They also had blue-berries,rasberries,figs,grapes,kiwi’s, and blueberries as well half-off. Thats a good deal considering their size and no shipping cost. It is also the best time to plant so if you want some trees, now is a great time. Hope this helps somebody.
        My pastor said something interesting. We all prepare/plan/scedule for this and that on a daily basis. When we go to the store, go the doctor, cut firewood, eat breakfast, etc. etc. BUT how many of us prepare for eternity. May God be with us all.

      20. (empty space),

        You do not need to ask.
        Y’all Beware!

      21. I just don’t know. Jim Quinn must be a real smart guy to even attempt to interpet the writing of Strauss and Kahn. I mean what the heck does this mean?

        “No archetypal constellation can match the gravitational of this one – nor its power to congeal the natural dynamic of human history into new civic purposes. And none can match its potential power to condense countless arguments, anxieties, cynicisms, and pessimisms into one apocalyptic storm.”

        Most of you who have commented on this article are either very deep thinkers or great BSers cause I see no answers in the waxing of the author. Only a vauge sense of doom and gloom some time down the road. Either that or I am to stupid to get it.

        I guess I will just keep on prepping the best I can and thank the Good Lord for every day he gives me in which to prepare a little more.

        • If you can’t say what you mean using simple words, you don’t understand it.

        • @ BigB, It definitely isn’t a black and white read, is it? Here are a few thoughts if I understand it correctly:

          1. An archetype is one of the generations. Be it baby boomers, Gen X’ers…etc. They list them in the article.

          2. Each time there has been a Fourth Turn, according to them, each generation has played a part in similar fashion to the same Fourth Turning points in history and we can expect it to happen again in the upcoming Fourth Turn.

          3. Each time there has been a Fourth Turn, the different generations living at the time create their own constallation of stars with each generation being a star in the constillation. This I believe is metaphorically lumping all of the different generations living at the time of any other Fourth Turn together.

          4. When he states that no archetypal constellation can match the gravitational of this one, nor it’s power to congeal the natural dynamic of human history into new civic purposes. And none can match it’s potential power to condence countless arguments, anxieties, cynicisms, and pessimisms into one apocolyptic storm…I think what he is stating is the even though in the past, we have had different generations living together at once, there may have been more hope for them to prevent a Fourth Turn than the “constallation” that exists today. He is saying we are going there with more certainty of any in the past. No other sets of generations in the past has the power to combine misery like the current one with all of the technology driving it. In the past, to find out the discontent of others in the world, you had to watch the news at 6:00. Today it is at everyone’s fingertips.

          I think you get it BigB. It is doom and gloom for the most part. To sum it all up.

          1. The S is about to HTF.
          2. It’s gonna be real hard.
          3. In the end, there will be winners and losers. These will either be the bankers with big governments and controls or a free people.

          Or, it can be stated in another way: From the immortal words of Kevin Costner in the movie Tin Cup “In every mans life you reach a defining moment. You have a choice. Either you define the moment or let the moment define you.”

          People, in the very near future, I believe our country will reach a defining moment. We will have the choice to define it or it will define us.

          God Bless

          • But this very long article never mentiones who or what has causd all this stuf…I mean the writers seem to imply its all due to simple Coincidence, or by accident.

            Them whats done their homework with True history and facts Knows the answers to who and how etc. If any here aint one?…Better get started asap.

            You cannot fight an enemy untill you first Know who or what such enemy actually is. And the enemey has spent Big cash and several hundred years so far to cover up their identity etc.

            With todays internet theres zero excuses left to remain in the Dark on this pressing issue. And soon even the web/internet may be Censured(its already is in most all of europe and canada etc. Prison awaits them who post anything deemed Un-pc etc.)

            • AM: WE know who they are, where they came from, how they operate, and how they have sold their Agenda to Americans.

              They are the Institutional International Elite, Crony Capitalists, and Dual Citizens that control media, education, medicine, banking, commerce, and politics.

              They have sold their Agenda to US by bribery, collusion, cronyism, and service to self.

              They have provided euphemisms to US to cover their deceit, and sold their Agenda to US as “global warming”, “free trade”, “consensus”, “ecology”, “community”, and “global citizenship” through a “community of nations” entwined by the Eurozone, the North American Union, NAFTA, and a Pacific Partnership.

              Globalism must be rejected if America, personal liberties, and individual freedoms are to survive. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness demands multiple choice.

              Engage these MF’s or be enslaved by them.

          • Well stated NP. Very well stated.

        • Here’s what I see — throughout the ages, generational dynamics have occurred relentlessly time and time again…as they say, history repeats itself. HOWEVER, this time around, it truly feels different — wars and rumors of wars, taxation beyond the power to bear, great, sweeping earth changes, unconstitutional leadership — not in all the years since I have been born have I felt such a global sense of impending doom, albeit sparked with the small light of hope that, indeed, the prophecies are true — that a true savior (not a false one) waits to take the reigns of leadership from the earthly hands who would abuse and misuse…the fulfillment of prophecy that leads to a truly better existence both corporeally and spiritually. It is hard to be patient.

        • Big B, The Fourth Turning wasn’t written as a bedtime story and perhaps their writing style and choice of words slow you down or turn you off. Maybe you could try it again. The full paragraph that Strauss & Howe wrote is this:

          “What will propel these events? As the saeculum turns, each of today’s generations will enter a new phase of life, producing a Crisis constellation of Boomer elders, midlife 13ers, young adult Millennials, and children from the new Silent Generation. As each archetype asserts its new social role, American society will reach its peak of potency. The natural order givers will be elder Prophets, the natural order takers young Heroes. The no-nonsense bosses will be midlife Nomads, the sensitive souls the child Artists. No archetypal constellation can match the gravitational of this one – nor its power to congeal the natural dynamic of human history into new civic purposes. And none can match its potential power to condense countless arguments, anxieties, cynicisms, and pessimisms into one apocalyptic storm.”

          In essence, the authors are defining generations as they age and naturally progress through life, both the previous generations and this new one termed “Crisis”. The analogy of our collective generations (in other words, our society of people) is being illustrated like a constellation (group of stars). Both are systems, dynamic, alive, often vast, but are visual and identifiable. The portion you quoted that stumped you are essentially saying that the force of this “Crisis” conglomerate of generations is a force unlike others, never before seen. At least that’s my take-away.

          I’ve always felt that Strauss & Howe provided great insight by dissecting our social structure so that we can see the history and predictability of our behaviors. If these authors don’t work for you, try other books on sociology and civilizations because there are predictable outcomes. I don’t find that the Fourth Turning is ‘doom and gloom’ at all — just the opposite. Sometimes learning the theory makes the problem easier to grasp.

          • Zoltanne,

            Bravo, ‘masterfull’ response….immaculate.

      22. Here is how I am going to celebrate the winner today:
        If Obama wins I’m buying 36 rolls of TP.
        If Romney wins I’m still going to buy 36 rolls of TP.

        Y’all Beware! Will a Prophet Assume Command? You still need TP.

        • Most important prep to have. Canned food and 1911 magazines do not work well for that purpose.

        • @ Y’all,

          …your analysis is correct….’wiping’ remains…either way. 😉

        • Tp tp and MORE TP!! The one thing i truly stock the hell out of. Can find water, can find food can make shelter hell out of a low hanging evergreen in a matter of minutes, the one thing i can not make is the TP on rolls….

        • Did you happen to see a video clip of aprox. 47 seconds long, where Romney was at some radio interview(think it was from 2 yrs ago?) and hes discussing Prophetic stuf for Christs return and Rule of earth?

          Romney said “When Jesus returns to rule the Kingdom here, He will rule from Two locations….1 in jeruselem and the second place from MISSOURI!!!!!!!” Must be in his mormon cult bible cause I aint seen such in any of Mine.

          As I read this article I figured sooner or later it would mention Romney as that Prophet guy.

          Glen Beck is also a mormon and he said on a fox tv beck episode that he, beck, was an Prophet/apostle and he thinks God apointed beck to Fix america etc.

          Beck also on tv live from Telaviv or jeruselem, stood at a podium and said “I am now a jew…Now we ALL are or should be jews”

          Then a few weeks later, I read at a website by some guy named Paul Drockton, himself a mormon or perhaps an EX mormon(?).

          That, and I know not if this is true or not?…But drockton(or another writer) said beck and romney and All mormons believe when they get baptized, their blood and DNA actually mysteriously changes into Pure jewish blood as they arise from the water.

          True?…Don’t know…same guy also said mormons believe They are the Real jews temple where the Lord will rule from etc. And they the mormons after switched to Imortal bodies will fly thru deep space and Finish all the planets in entire universe.

          By “finish” he means God didn’t or wasn’t able to finish creating life-animals-trees-people etc like God did on earth.

          So them mormons are who will do so as Their destiny etc.

          That idea is also what Herbert W. Armstrong’s cult followers also state is Their agenda or destiny.

          Personally I think its a mixture of bible christianity and New ager stuf…IE: the belief we all can be “Little Gods” within ourselves…But we must Learn the secrets to unlock our own little god inside of us, so it can become an Outward Bigger-little god…

          Only then will we be exact duplicates of God the Father because we are His children and thats what the bible means by “Man created In Gods Image and Likeness”.

          Especially that “Likeness” to God part!…How can you be Like God unless You too can “Think and Create” exact same way as God Himself did and does etc?

          DISCLAIMER!! I do NOT believe such nonsense…And I do not know if mormons do believe this stuf. But I have read basically the same description for mormons from several different sources. All of which claimed to be a mormon or an EX mormon….

          One things certain…”IF” Romney actually does subscribe to this stuf?…..We may have alot more to worry about than we ever had with Hobammy eh!

          I do Know for certain both Beck and Romney are Rabid pro-jew-pro-isreal war monger Hawks to the inth degree.

          Glen Beck is only outdone by pastor John Haggee where both are concerned(jews/isreal issues)…Thats Very Scarry I think!

          WWIII soon?..Lets Hope not!

      23. If Obama wins, I’m volunteering as tribute for the Hunger Games.

      24. You mean the Shit hasn’t Hit The Fan yet?
        Severe natural disasters: yup
        Economic chaos: yup
        Excessive government control: yup
        Widespread violence caused by armed minority youth: yup
        People turning away from God: yup
        Decay of morals: yup
        Rioting: not widespread yet
        Zombies: nope
        Sort of looks like its starting to hit the fan to me.

        • @ Jasoncookies,

          “Zombies: Yep”….daez eatin’dem fok’s face’s oof in Flada’…Dae iz tain’t dae?

          There, fix’t for ya… 🙂

        • We have the sheep; where’s our lion?
          I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion…Alexander the Great

          • @ JJ,

            GOOD quote, I haven’t heard THAT one in years!

      25. Romney is as much a prophet as Woody Allen is a Nazi.

      26. “The generations shall go astray. Hope will be lost and many shall fall by the sword. Then a new birth shall occur. The fabled Egyptian Phoenix once again flies from the ashes. Dignity and chastity will return, and with it, the return of hope. And an Okie shall lead them…”
        Oakus Maximus, Roman prophet- 157 BC

        Uh…I didn’t want to mention this, being as modest as I am, but…I’m READY!

        • Is that from The Book of Hezekiah or Paul’s letter to the people of Des Moines?

          • The Book of Joey..ch.2 vs.4.Aint no Thang…Butta Chickin Wang!

            From the Book of Joeys, Aunt: AuntJomomma inada Pancakebox

        • I believe that last line was originally “And okra shall feed them”

          Oakus Maxmyass–1957 chevy


          • Dang! I gotta read that again. Somebody spilled gravy on the scroll!

            • Moses(C.Heston) “Let them Eat….LEAD!”

      27. Is (empty space) your name to signify what is between your ears? What was the point of that hate-filled rant?

        All you do is set us back as a group when you post things like that. There are plenty of bad things to say about Obama’s character without bringing all those stereotypes into it.

        We aren’t ALL racist jerks here – stop making us look bad.

        • Sorry Miss Daisy, you are right as usual. I just had to get 4 years of anger off my chest.

          • Go suck Romney’s and Bush’s pipe!!!

            • I let nancy boys like you do that, asshole.

          • Based upon the content of your classy posting, I’d opine that you need to get a lot more issues than just 4 years of anger off your chest.

            • Honestly? Is that really the best you can do?

              You’re too cartoonish to be taken seriously.

              Some children shouldn’t be allowed to play on the Internet.

      28. one of the best articles I’ve ever read from anyone. When the true SHTF comes, and the entire political and financial system collapses, life will never be the same again in America. It will be a totally different world out there and only those who have prepared to any degree will survive it. We will all be living the true prepper lifestyle whether we want it or not. There’s no way to stop what’s coming; there’s no turning back. it’s going to be like that article Be Informed posted a while back about how horrific life will be for the nonprepper; their days on this earth in post-SHTF will be numbered; a very small number. i believe the scenario will be like in “One Second After” which I finally read during the 2nd week of October. I couldn’t get through that book without breaking down; I don’t think anyone else in their right mind could either. however, there are some good things that can come out of post-SHTF if the survivors are willing to work together. We can go back to the kind of country that God intended for us to have. now I’m just waiting to see what tonight brings. Braveheart

      29. Is this the FIRST presidential election where neither candidate is a Christian???

        (Some Mormons claim to be Christians but they reject the diety of Christ and do not accept him as their “savior”. Obama claims he was brought up “in the Christian tradition”. Whatever that means.)

        In any case, fellow preppers and friends, please pray and prep. And, if possible, help others in any way you can. THAT is what it means to be a Christian.

      30. as i sit back and watch the events unfold before our eyes, i have a lot of 4 lettered words that could come out of my mouth.. then i realize that eveything that is happening is aa planned design from the creation of the world…. evrybody who has not trusted and accepted Jesus as Lord and saviour will have hell to pay in the days to come,… i have read many of the comments here and see much ignorance bout what is happening in the world as well as our country.. and many dont get it

        we are at the edge of the great tribulation as it is written in the book of revelation, when the prophets show their faces they will be Enoch and Elijah, the 2 wittnesses.. 1 is a jew the other is a gentile.. these are the only prophets that are God given in this time, not rommney or obama so dont even go there…

        regardless who gets into the office the executive that have been signed for overtaking this country will not be voided, instead they will be inforced by either party and you will see even more exec. orders being signed for the demise of this country. because the cloud of deciet is over this nation and that will remain untill there is nothing left to save except your own life

        trust in Jesus and may God be with us in these terrible times we live in

        • @ Deano

          Are we just going through the motions,(Voting), where God’s gift of free will does not matter anymore?

          • slingshot
            are you just going thru the motions? im not and i dont think any-one else is either… however what ever our freewill is, it is Gods will that is going to prevail.. each person must decide for themselves what freewill is in their own life and how it relates to or comflicts with Gods will and plan

            • Then truly the world is on a predetermined course and what only matters is if we do good or evil.

              • no
                what matters is realationship with Jesus as our Lord and saviour, to know Him and by knowing Him we learn His will and by learning His will we submit our pride and selfishness…. because its about him not us…. at the end of this age there is only one outcome and we cant change that, we can only choose what path we as an individual will take and that is His will or ours… there is so much more to this that i will not comment on

          • Well slingshot: When there are so many Satan followers in this nation, this govt overrun with evil intent?? You answer that.
            I haven’t left the house today…is my answer.

            • @ JayJay.

              Satan followers in our nation and evil within the government? We can argue the existance of the Enlightened Ones or Accept that in the end that a government craves power and will evolove to the point that it does not care for its people only the preservation of the state. It will follow the path of least resistance as per human nature and covertly subdue its people by using the same laws against them that created it. As we well see now. The evil in our government is there because we failed to adhere to our founding fathers principles. We got lazy and wanted others to do the dirty work for us. Political Correctness and other Bull stuffed down our throats by so called Do Gooders that we are now afraid to do what needs to be done.

        • The Book of Rev does NOT mention any names of the two witnesses…The names you wrote are not certain. Nowheres are either of them two prophets names actually written.

          It may be the names you gave?…But its NOT writen as such.

          • Agreed, AM.

            Since they were both taken by God in a whirlwind it is quite possible.
            Moses (his body)was also taken by God (after dying a physical death), and being the “law-giver”, I believe he would be the more likely candidate over Enoch.
            Both were with Christ at the Mount of transfiguration.
            How impressive would that be to have the ultimate prophet, Elijah; and the ultimate law-giver Moses, preaching in the streets of Jerusalem while being televised to the world via CNN and Fox?

      31. Afternoon All

        Wow, that’s a lot to get your head around. Prophet in the biblical sense or not, something, somewhere is about to snap and only a man…or woman with a genuine wish to pull the human race back from the brink can solve this. Any amount of divine intervention would be welcome at this point.

        Take care

        • Burt, the only one’s that will show to save the people of the world will be the antichrist first and then Jesus’s return, there is no-one else

          • Deano

            Fair comment.

            Take care

          • You have got to be kidding me.

            • Achilles
              not kidding, we are spiritual beings living in a physical world not the other way around. and because of this you cant look at things from a physical view point, you must see things in light of scripture(the bible) in order to see what is really going on… and it is the Bible you need to use because it is the ONLY source that has been time testes and proven to be right… you may not think we are spiritual creatures but we are, we all need to believe in a god when things go wrong and thats because we know we are not in control of this life, we just think we are, its a trick of satan to believe that same lie told in the garden of eden

              • Deano, you are correct. satan has promulgated the illusion that there is no God or Christ, and that secular humanism is the only “sane” way to think. For you non Christians, do you not FEEL how vexed and galled you become when Christians exhort you to read the Bible? When we point you toward the explanation of all this chaos? Where do you think that feeling, that antipathy and animosity comes from? From your tolerance of others? I think not. Deano is correct that these are lies of satan.

                “You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky, yet you don’t know how to interpret the present time?” Luke 12:56

                • it amazes me how many dont know scripture and say whatever they want… i dont pretend to know it all, i try to stick to the basics and make it simple
                  thanks gop4ever

              • Proven to be right…

                I would be very interested in reading the proof you have, or anyone has, if you want to link some information.

                Just to be clear –

                The Bible is not proof. “Because it says so in the Bible” is the weakest argument for proof.

                Your personal feelings, experiences and thoughts on the matter (i.e. faith) is not proof.

                But, let’s just assume for a second that you are right, that god does exist and everything in the Bible and all the trappings of religion are true. Then why, might I ask, are you preparing? Why are you on this site? If it always has been, always will be his will, and that nothing happens that is not according to his plan, then why prepare to mitigate the rather nasty effects of his divine plan for you and all of us? Are you not hedging your bets against his desires? Does god really need you to store food, water and ammunition in order for his cosmically perfect plan to come to fruition?

                Moreso, why does the pope ride around in a bullet-proof car? That’s not really faith in action. Do you wear a seat belt when you drive a car? If so, why? Will you not be in a better place if you were to die? If you believe so, then why try and stop that?

                The reason is because you, like the pope and most other believers do not have the courage of your convictions. You don’t really believe “the lord will provide.” You don’t really believe every word in the Bible as literal, or if you do, have no intention of following it to the letter. At the least, you pick the nice bits of it to follow, and ignore the more heinous and gruesome parts of it.

                If I’m wrong, prove it to me. Send me a photo or news clipping of you stoning to death your unruly child at the edge of town (Deuteronomy 21-18:21). If you have no children, send me some proof of your close friends doing this. Show me how you have put to death, or urged others to kill homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13). Explain to me how exactly Judas died. Hanging (Matthew 27:5) or disembowelment (Acts 1:18)? They are not the same, not even close. Show me how you are keeping and caring for your slaves, as the good lord commanded (1 Timothy 6:1-2 and Colossians 3:22-25).

                C’mon, give me your very best proof, your very best explanation.

                • @

                  God did give us “freewill” and grey matter to think with.
                  God expects us to use our common sense when and where it is needed.
                  At this point and time, a common sense approach to prepping is very important. Just ask the people stranded in the Northeast because of “Sandy”, what they would have done differently? I doubt very many would say they wish they would have prayed harder for divine intervention.
                  The more likely response would be; “I wish I would have used more common sense and either got the hell out early or prepared more”.

                  Just in case you don’t survive a clamity; The first item of being prepared should be, being prepared within your heart to meet your maker. Everything else follows on a prioritized basis. Just sayin’.

      32. A funny thing happened on the way to the election…

        I was driving down 8th Street this morning, on my way to the polls. Being a good citizen, I wanted to get my vote in early, so they can count it as many times as needed.
        There, on the corner, was a fallen down Obama sign in my neighbors yard. Being a good neighbor, as well as a good citizen, I stopped and went to stand it back up. Just then, my neighbor saw me. Evidently he thought I was vandalizing the sign. Or stealing it or something. (it was probably the 28 Ron Paul/Newt Gingrich/Romney/ McCain-Palin/Goldwater bumper stickers on my car that caused his misunderstanding.)
        He yelled something impolite, then opened his front door and out comes a snarling 400 lb Rottweiler. “Sick him, Thor!” hollered my neighbor, and next thing I know I’m facing a spiked-collared four-legged maniac! For a moment, I was in a panic!
        I’d left my 2nd amendment in the car glove box. I was, after all, on my way to vote, and I rarely need it there. So, I used the Obama placard and it’s little wooden stick to fend off the beast as I retreated toward my vehicle. What I’d completely forgotten about was Butch. He’s my chihuahua and loves to jump in and ride along whenever I go to town.
        Soon as I opened the car door, Butch bounded out like a mini-me version of the tasmanian devil! He took a flying leap, which for him is only about 18 inches off the ground, and landed, teeth first, on the rottweiler’s ear! He sunk in like a tick and chewed mightily, yapping his little head off.
        The big dog screeched in pain and high-tailed it back toward home. He ran right past the startled neighbor, still standing in his doorway, and right into the house. And there was Butch, still dangling from his ear like a bad piece of jewelry!
        The neighbor swore, and stalked into his house, leaving the door wide open. It’s a good thing he did, too. About ten seconds later, he ran out of his house at full speed. Right on his heels was Thor, and, chasing them both, was little Butch! He ran them around the front yard for about fifteen laps. Then, thinking they’d probably learned their lesson, he trotted over to me.
        He wagged his puny tail and looked up, as if to ask, “You reckon they’ve had enough? Or should I go whoop on ’em some more?” I picked him up and petted him. The rottweiler was hiding under a shrub, trembling. My neighbor, pale and gasping for breath, glared at me from across his yard. I pointed Butch at him like a loaded .357. “Just so you’ll know, I was putting your sign back up, not stealing it. But if you mess with me again….I’ll bring the poodle next time!”

        • lol

        • Newt Gingrich? For crying out loud, that dude is New World Order all day.

          • yeah u broke my heart with the newt thing too..

            • Don’t worry, I only put the newt sticker on there to scare my wife. It worked!

              • Too Good!

        • @Smokin’

          …..so the ‘Butch’is mightier than the ‘Thor’…durn, now I need to go get the white-out and correct that idiot thesaurus entry about pens and swords…..I knew something didn’t sound right about that one the first time I read it…..

        • lol….I guess the road salt don’t rust them old “Goldwater” pickups out there.

      33. Obama is all talk. A fantastic speech giver and gifted orator…and that’s it. Romney is a Mormon, who believes in magic underwear and a documented, convicted felon and con artist as a prophet.

        I would much rather cast my vote for Bill Maher, Jon Stewart or Bill Hicks (were he alive) for President. And when voting a comedian into office seems a better choice than the two puppets forced upon us, it seems Mencken will at last have his day:

        “As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

        Heel out.

      34. ok , if obama win then its more guns and ammo for me and if rommney wins then its more ammo and guns for me

      35. I made 2 comments 6 hours ago. Let’s see which shows first.

      36. I don’t think neither of the 2 candidates are Worthy to run the highest office in this land.. The presidency..

        But we must Now choose… And choose wisely.

        We are NOW in very interesting times.. What happens is really up to God and our own actions.

      37. GOP poll inspectors being forcibly removed — replaced by Democrats

        Black Panthers Return to Philly Polling Site
        “Also, the Philadephia GOP is reporting that left-wing judges are tossing GOP poll watchers out of polling locations throughout the city.”


      38. “2008 God’s Final Witness”, read it. It has all the answers to what has and what is “about” to happen. You can get the book for free through the mail or download it for free at, http://www.the-end.com

        • I ordered and read that..what a piece of ****.
          It reads like about half of what I was taught is WRONG..and this author is down on Catholics to the point I can’t understand how he didn’t get sued for this publication.
          Freedom of print is alive and well, folks.

          This was written in 2008..and it proves most of this book is wrong. Must read to understand that.


      39. “A Pennsylvania judge is issuing an order to reinstate Republican election officials across Philadelphia who allegedly were ejected or refused entry by on-site Democratic voting chief judges, GOP officials tell Fox News.

        One Republican official claimed that “just under 70” Republican election officials were blocked from Philadelphia polling sites Tuesday morning by Democrats on site. One of them, the official claimed, “was shoved out of the polling place.”


      40. I will not be watching any of the election tonight for one reason, it is a distraction to what we all better be getting ready for. The simple fact is that most people have forced themselves to stomach rombot because they are so desperate to get rid of BO. Rombot is awful bad and to put this f’en idiot in the same picture as Ben Franklin and Abe Lincoln, (true Ammerican patriots) is sick. I can understand wanting to get rid of BO, that is a good positive thing. To call that piece of s%^% a prophet and someone that will help the country is the trap that I am talking that will destroy most preppers.

        My ONLY concern is that NO ONE is fooled by this f’en imbecile and total chronic liar whether he is aware of it or not, should he be elected. EVERYONE that jumps on the bandwagon of rombot should he win with go off the cliff with the non preppers. This trap is lethal because of being seduced by some crackerjack leader that he is some sort of something sent by God. People that fall into this trap will stop or slow down preparing and be royally f’ed WHEN SHTF, which it will. I have seen this happen again and again, even with that stink bug BO from preppers that slowed down their efforts because the black guy was going to change everything for the better.

        I point to a case of RICH99 that kept saying 5-8 years, we have nothing to worry about, RICH was at ground zero of Sandy. No matter what IF that piece of cow manure wins tonight over the piece of pig manure, you cannot fall into this TRAP of thinking that rombot will help you and stop or slow down your preparedness because “THIS ONE” will be the one. God, dear God help anyone that falls into this trap that thinks that pile of manure r’money will do anything. God, dear God, help anyone that thinks that the other pile of manure BO will do anything should he win.

        This article shows the same idiotic TRAP that so many people fell for with BO, and just look what happened. People, NO ONE be fooled by this pure garbage that each time these false prophets pour on us like poison. IF there is a 2016 election we all will get the same crap, and the same results. Vote the bum out. The people never learn and why there is ONLY 1% of the people that prepare out there.

        • One other thing. When people lose that urgency to prepare they lose. No matter whom wins, no one can lose that urgency to prepare by the same trap that nailed a bunch of black people that were preppers, especially after Katrina, after BO won in 2008. Anyone that is lost in awe to any leader, in any country, in any time of history past, present, and future, has already lost everything. NO ONE fall into this trap, we can’t lose anymore dedicated preppers/survivalists or we are going to be too outnumbered when SHTF.

          • But, but, ummm, hey, uhhh,,well what about Peggy in Florida that got her mortgage and gas paid for by Ostupid??
            Huh?? yeah..what about that!!! 🙁

      41. I have been saying this would happen for the last 15 years. I just facted it with the end of the WW2 generation and natural cycles. I had told my wife that a woman would never be President as long as the WW2 generation was still alive and a big voting block. As soon as they were gone we got obama. This article makes way too much sense. Thanks for the good work Mac.

      42. Liberal media, White House owes preppers and survivalists a massive apology in the aftermath of superstorm Sandy

        • @ VRF. This is all I care about is preppers/survivalists. We cannot lose anymore people to the TRAP that too many people fall into thinking that the leader is going to rescue everyone. Each election the prepper/survivalists totals go down as people lose the incentive to prepare. People cannot fall into this trap of thinking that this one is the one, in either case of whom wins. It is bad enough to be outnumbered almost 100-1 when the masses try to find whom has food and other supplies. Being outnumbered 200-1 or more is a nightmare for the preppers/survivalists.

          This is why I am so desperately harping on this and why the pure absurdity of this article shows why no one must allow themselves to stop or slow down their preparedness and fall into a trap of absolute false unfounded hope for some leader, in ANY country, with spikes in at the bottom.

      43. Now for the total non-biased scientific approach to figuring out what is going to happen tonight. People may or may not like it, but the ONLY way to view something like this would be someone that does not care in another country.

        First and foremost NEVER underestimate the dire fear of those that are worried about entitlements. This will determine the election as more people than ever are on food stamps. “IF” these dependent people come out in force it is OVER. “IF” they don’t, it is OVER. And people know what I mean.

        Anyone that has played football pools understands that the one bet that absolutely favors the house better than anything is the over and under bet. This is where you try to determine the total amount of points rather than the winner of the game or beat the point spread. This one is the most fun but the hardest to win because the gaming people have a true knack of getting the total number of points so close to what it is going to be. I have not looked at the over or under the total electoral votes that the gaming industry is putting on house’s side that one candidate gets.

        The gambling industry does not care whom wins, only that the odds are stacked in the house’s favor. Just like the over and under on football games, they know whom is going to get the most electoral votes within a very reasonable margin because a lot of money is riding on this. They conduct the most accurate non-one sided polls imaginable to determine the correct over and under electoral votes. I will not ground myself with trying to figure this sh*& out. Other people though can look at this and see whom is going to win tonight based on what favors the house winning. Forget about the betting on whom wins, look at the electoral over and under totals and where the money for the house rests. Old adage, the house always wins.

        Want to know whom is going to win tonight? Look for the volume of military and police deployment around areas of black population. Light or none, BO wins tonight, heavy deployment, likely rombot wins tonight. Those in the government already know the outcome, as this who show is like a WWE wrestling match, already determined.

        For those the believe in the astrology part of it, the moon is in Leo right now until tomorrow at 10:27 AM. In 2004 Bush Jr. won while the moon was in Cancer, he is a Cancer. They say that those that are a certain sign have very rewarding days when the moon is in their birth sign. I am not going to give the two candidates’s birth signs.

        The way to determine the outcome of anything is to look at it totally unbiased whether you like or dislike the outcome. It has worked well with earthquake forecasts to NEVER slant one’s opinion one way or the other, only look at the facts. For those that care, these methods will almost certainly show whom is going to win, except for possibly the astrology angle. For me, I rather try to accurately forecast a disaster to save people and so they can prepare.

      44. In ’94 I sensed the Rep win with the newt machine. I don’t sense that as possible. I miss the tea party machine.

      45. We are all slaves to society. For as long as we allow ourselves to be controlled like slaves, we will never have freedom. You have a choice, some might say it is “God given” others would say it has been embedded in your DNA since the dawn of man. Slavery is alive and thriving, it has just evolved over time. Need I remind you all that in early America, most whites and African Americans slaves believed there was no other way to life, it was life and there was no changing it. We have fallen into the very same trap. People have come to believe that this is how things are, instead of focusing on how things SHOULD be.

      46. No matter which Zionist banker backed organized crime “prophet” wins today, remember that our second amendment rights are God given and cannot be turned into a so-called privilege no matter what they do. I found this quote that seems fitting to this… Bob Dornan R(Ca) on Jan 25,1994 responding to Bill Clinton’s State of the Union address….”…and by the way Mr. Speaker, the second amendment is not for killing little ducks and leaving Huey, Dewey and Louie without an aunt and uncle. It’s for hunting politicians, like in Grozny, and in the colonies in 1776, or when they take your independence away.”

      47. I’m in a starbucks sitting next to a pretty girl who has at least 4 ballots in front of her that she is filling out. I need to get my camera on her some how. This is wired.

      48. @ Jim Quinn. If you want to really put someone that picture that truly united the country as a generational leader, both red and blue, you would have put Ronald Reagan. The hate right now did not exist with Reagan. IF anyone thinks that the 2016 election, IF there is one, is not going to be one almost civil war level no matter whom is elected, they are barking up the wrong tree. This country is deeply polarized more so than the civil war. The civil war was about the rights of the South and the ONLY reason this country was held together is because the South lost the war.

        For someone to be a good leader, there has to be something there in the firstplace. The fact is that wonderful leaders such as Ronald Reagan was honest and striaght forward about where he stood. Reagan was not vague and you could TRUST him. You could look at Ronald Reagan and say there is a a true president. You look at r’money and you see an used car salesman, and a bad one at that. Rombot is someone that I and almost eveyone else has no clue where he stands, that does not make a leader, a waffle master. Granted BO is not a leader, forget about that.

        The article was really about a generation leader and in all honesty Jim, can you put someone that flip flops and has a terrible record on 2nd amendment and was not too good for Massachusetts in the same category as Ronald Reagan and other true leaders that helped the country? Come on, the foundation is not there at all. “You know who romney reminds me of, Dan Aykroyd’s character in the Great Outdoors movie that tortured John Candy”. Wonderful generational leader Jim should he win.

      49. @ Deano.
        Your right. I am not a very religious man and can not quote scripture. Maybe the only thing I have going for me is that I can tell right from wrong and even that is up to debate.


        Monday, 13 August 2012: Julie went aside after our evening Word session to receive this Word.

        “I am planning an immense fall for America, says the Lord, a fall that will desolate and amaze her people. I am sending America sliding over the cliff into financial ruin. America’s fall has only begun, and there are many more chapters to be written before the tale is told. I am bringing financial ruin to this nation. And when I am through, her wealth will be scattered and gone, and she will sell herself for a piece of bread.

        “Walk softly before Me in these days, says the Lord. For I am forming My people into My image even as I bring down America around you, says the Lord Who has mercy on you. Amen and amen.”

        If you have not yet read “The Harbinger” by Jonathan Cahn, please do so right away.

        If you have not yet googled “A.C. Valdez,” please do so likewise.

        The Lord’s prophets have been speaking to this deaf nation for many years. David Wilkerson recently was removed from the scene, but World Challenge carries on in Times Square. Other voices are warning Americans to get ready for the worst. Jesus Christ is coming for His people in my lifetime, and I will be 75 in February.

        We hope you have ears to hear, because God is not joking around. Amen.

      51. We are all assuming that the prophet will be Romney, but what if we have got four more years of the Nomad president and the election in 2016 will see the emergence of the prophet leader. My guess would be Ron Paul.

      52. SmokinOkie,

        Thanks as I can see it now – so funny. It really has a lot to do with the heart in the dog.

        Some time I tell you about Jess, a little cat I had that sliced and diced a big lab’s nose.

        Y’all Beware! Butch what a great name for a kick ass chihuahua.

        • Thanks, Y’all Beware!

      53. I am not going to watch the television until around
        11 p.m. EST. I cannot stand the ‘noise.’

      54. With all due respect to Strauss and Howe, the game is going to be different THIS time around. The prophets Daniel, Ezekiel and others already gave us ample notice as to what is now playing out. This time it will be God cleaning the toilet bowl, not man.

      55. blah blah blah racists! The end of the world is near, a black man is in power, of course you’re all gonna die, right? Chill out, and keep buying your silver (cuz you can’t afford gold)!

      56. I am not a prophet but I am a Believer and having read all the comments in this article as to the the validity of the Scriptures my heart and soul have risen to heightened levels so I just have a simple solution>>we just need to humble ourselves and acknowledge the love and power of Jesus Christ>>>do you believe our country is blessed by God>>>>in the past>>>possibly>>> but as we approve of Gay Marriages…abortion of the unborn and indulge in wars and destruction the world over>>>I believe His disdain and curse upon this homeland is on the immediate horizon>>>>the churches have failed what Jesus taught…Love one another and be the Good Samaratin when you are able…your worldly possessions mean nothing>>>when you die the only thing you can take with you are your memories and how you lived this life and you will see them again as you stand before the Great Judgement Throne>>>so don’t look for hope in man’s frail attempts at government>>>>Look to the clouds >>>>>for surely He will return as He promised

      57. Those who preach their religion openly to a deaf ear are at fault for any discrimination towards them, and others like them. More so, their representation of their religion leads others to bear malice towards them.

        When the world ends, I sure as hell don’t need your god or my god to get me through it – regardless of who the two are.

        I am not an atheist, I am non practicing christian because of people like you who take it upon themselves to be a false prophet of their religion, translating the “word of god” to fit their needs.

        As humans we may not know all the answers, but whenever someone makes a statement about religion, which is then proven implausible by science, they make up some asinine explanation as to why god made something happen this way.


        TLDR; You say god made everything, I say it evolved. You aren’t going to change that, so stop trying.

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