Video: Marines Practice Subduing Citizens Inside Internment Camps

by | May 15, 2015 | Headline News | 196 comments

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    Alarming video footage from a U.S. Marines training drill which took place in Arizona last month shows armed troops chasing down unruly citizens inside a mock internment camp while role players chant for food and water.

    The exercise, which involved U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, took place on April 18 in Yuma, Arizona and revolved around “assault support tactics” training.

    The drill was part of, “standardized tactical training and certification of unit instructor qualifications to support Marine Aviation Training and Readiness,” according to the description accompanying the video.

    In plain English, the exercise was about subduing, arresting and incarcerating irate citizens during a martial law-style scenario.


    The video shows Marines landing in helicopters on a field next to a busy highway. Locals watch the exercise behind a perimeter fence while role players prepare to take part in the drill.

    The Marines then practice apprehending unruly citizens, one of whom is carried away on a stretcher.


    One of the role players simulates attempting to escape the enclosure before he is chased down and handcuffed by an armed Marine.

    Other role players are then heard chanting “food and water” while rattling the perimeter fence as Marines look on. The video then shows more role players being chased and hauled away. One of the role players is subsequently heard to shout, “let me out!”


    More physical struggles and chases ensue between role players and Marines before some of the citizens receive mock medical treatment, with one Marine heard describing one of the injuries as “gunshot wounds to the chest.”

    Some of the victims are then loaded onto the chopper before the video clip ends.


    The Marines will undoubtedly claim that these exercises are to prepare for overseas combat and occupation missions, but U.S. Army manuals have made it clear that such operations also apply to the Continental United States (CONUS), and will be used against American citizens during a national emergency.

    Concerns over such exercises have been raised after the announcement of Jade Helm, a nationwide military exercise set to begin in July during which troops will operate undercover amongst local populations.


    Innumerable videos showing similar drills taking place across the United States have emerged in recent months, although this footage is easily the most alarming.

    Another video out of Fort Lauderdale, Florida which emerged in March also showed military and law enforcement practicing the internment of citizens during martial-law style training.

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      1. Ebola? Economic Collapse? Widespread Civil Unrest ala Baltimore and Ferguson? Cyber-Terrorism? EMP?

        Any number of possible causes (false flag or not) to institute martial law.

        • When the internet as we know it goes down, we will really be left guessing. Just gonna stand and fight the scum for my family and my little piece of the world. It’s better than kissing their ass and complying. Any marines that go through with this are fucking traitors.

          • If you and your family are in your home, not bothering anybody at all, just hunkering down amidst all the stuff going on outside, and from your observation post/listening post you become aware that a MRAP is coming towards your home with a battering ram and a lot of heavily geared, well-armed American military and/or Local Law Enforcement, whaddya gonna do?

            Hands up, don’t shoot?

            It’s pretty much too late to bug out. They’d probably catch you and your group within a mile or so from your home.

            I’m just hoping that if it’s martial law, that they don’t do door-to-door searches and do food/precious metals/gun confiscations. If they do that, the Revolution has got to start at that point.

            • before that point.. waiting for that moment you describe , is way to late
              He who hesitates is hamburger

              • When do you start the Revolution?

                What’s the Red Line? That if they cross this line (some action that’s been pre-defined), then it’s game on for the Preppers and the Patriots?

                • “When do you start the Revolution?”

                  a long ass dam time ago

                  this party got started and we are sitting on our hands waiting for THEM to tell us when to say enough is enough?

                  • Enemy of the state,
                    most troops will not want to fire on civilians, BUT, when one of those troops gets hit from a armour piercing round in the head!! from a civilian, well things will change,so moral of the story is IF you have to shoot, then game is on and you’ll have to shoot -em ALL or they will get you. end of story!!

                    • War is pretty simple. Kill them before they kill you. Any questions? Anybody wearing a uniform is pretty much a traitor. Watch them pose as phone or cable repairman when they are tapping your communications. Get all your preps ammo etc now. Delays will seal your fate.

                    • most troops wont want to fire on or round up Americans. lolol look again- they certainly don’t show any hesitation or remorse doing just that in these drills.

                  • The way I look at it is when ‘SHTF’, and they DO start mass gun confiscation and re-settlement ops, then and only then individuals need to DEFEND THEMSELVES and fire back right at them and try to take them out … the reason I say this is simple really. Once the guys ‘just following orders’ get a taste of their own medicine and realize that “THIS IS NOT WORTH THE RISK” of their own lives trying to fight against their own brothers and sisters just for fascist political scum, THEN most of them will back down. EXAMPLE: What happened after a couple of punks shot some cops in NYC a year ago? Huge drop in tickets, huge drop in police brutality and huge drop in arrests, that’s what happened! Think about it … IF they go to far, it is up to each and every one of us to SHOW them they have gone too far.

                    Until then, stay vigilant. Keep eyeballing the motherfuckers.

                    • KILLCEN: You’ve obviously have not been paying much attention to ‘gun news’. When Connecticut passed their strict gun bans and New York followed with something almost as bad, the major news networks stopped reporting as though is were “Mission Accomplished”. Yet these same news organizations have not followed up with any “success stories”, and you know they would have if there were any to report. The fact is that only about 15% of the rifles and 5% of the magazines listed for registration were actually registered in Conn. New York’s numbers were even more dismal. These are 2 of the top 10 bluest states in the country and they can’t seem to get much compliance. The 2 governors issued additional threats but nothing has happened so far. The major news outlets have let the stories die because they know what it means: That their idiotic laws are meaningless and will be ignored. The biggest problem these big government folks have is that they don’t really even know how many guns are out there, who has them, and where they might be. It’s all bluff and most of the good citizens of these 2 states called “Bull Shit”. TPTB know exactly what this means; that they have no real control over the country and that scares the shit out of them.

                • WHEN DO YOU START A REVOLUTION? The following is from Dmitry Orluv website… I think he knows the answer..

                  “But bad things happen to militaries when they are ordered to shoot at their own people. It is one thing to shoot at “towel-heads” in a far-away land; it is quite another to be ordered shoot at somebody who could be your own brother down the street from where you grew up. Such orders result in fragging (shooting your own officers), in refusal to follow orders, and in attempts to stand up for the other side.

                  And that’s where things get interesting. Because, you see, if you shoot at, imprison, and otherwise abuse a defenseless civilian population long enough, what you get in response is an armed insurgency. The place insurgencies are easiest to organize is in

                  • There are MANY instances of troops not leaving their barracks. A drill is NOT the real thing! Not only do we not know, I’ll bet the commanders don’t know either what will happen.

                    Yes, I know the fascist left is polluting the military with radical feminists, radical gays, etc. to push them down the path of political correctness, but still… most troops are from the general public, and despite the arrogant triumphalism of the vile left, they do NOT have a plurality of support at present.

                    In fact, think of Bloody Queen Mary in England a few centuries back. Her very violent suppression of her opposition backfired, and led to all she opposed gaining power.

                    The fascist/leftist elite think they have the power, and for the most part they do. So did the head of the National Socialist Workers’ Party, Hitler. But they don’t have the TRUTH, and there are all kinds of ways to nibble away at the fascism – we just need to keep communicating, writing, talking to family and friends. It won’t change overnight, or even next year, but if we show courage, persistence and wisdom, it will change. We cant do everything the vile, evil,despicable Saul Alinsky did, but where things are ethical and non-violent, we certain CAN engage.

                    As a note of encouragement, there are probably dozens of people I have helped change to the side of liberty over the years. Imagine if we all did that?

                    • Well done TEST.

                    • I have to disagree with you, about us not being able to act vile, and evil like Alinsky. In world War 2, the Japanese were brutal against American soldiers. It did’nt take long for the US soldiers to start acting like the japs, and show them their own form of brutality. A tit for tat per say. There will be people who, just does not have a mean bone in there bodies, but look out for the ones that have the ability of violence. Vengeance and retribution is best served cold.

                • You will definitely know when the “Red Line” has been crossed. It will not be a pretty picture and unlike any game ever played since the days of our founding fathers. With the weapons today, death tolls will be 1000 times greater than the Civil War. Let us pray that God never brings that punishment down on us.

                  • the red line was crossed at kent state.

                    no one did anything.

                    i don’t think the red line can be known.

                    when ever it happens…

                    you’ll just know.

                • Red Flag? They interfere with coffee or chocolate it’s game over. When they come for the guns it’s game on. To die free is to live free.

              • EOTS, if/when the internet and/or everything else goes down, it has to be game on. That’s when the free shit army and all the other scumbags will make their move with looting, rioting, raping, killing, etc. I’ll be at the BOL by then. Watching that video of Marines manhandling unarmed civilians, although supposedly just a drill, was still unnerving for me. NOBODY will get close enough to grab me and put me to the ground to cuff me because I will already have put a bullet or two into their heads in self-defense.

                • Admit it, you think those Rambo movies and Red Dawn are how things will really be. You are in for a surprise. A very bad one.

              • The best our entire military could do is something on a limited local scale, nothing ever on a national scale. What most folks who’ve never been in military fail to recognize is that a large portion of military families live off post because military bases are no where near big enough to house all military family members. Anything on a large scale and cops, firefighters, and military personnel with families off base are not going to be going to work-PERIOD. They’re going to be home protecting their families, or going to their bug-out locations. The only folks showing up are guys with families already in on-base housing and the barracks rats (single people) because they’ve got nowhere else to go. Good luck with those small numbers.

            • We have more than just guns and we have a plan. We’ll either live or die. It’s not tragic to die defending what is right.

            • Well, Freeslave, they did it already down south when Hurricane Katrina struck! They’ve already set a precedent. And they did similarly in Boston…

            • Operation Jade Helm makes me uneasy.

              Why are the military practicing rounding up and subduing American citizens? Training soldiers for real life domestic martial law?

              The stated motto of Operation Jade Helm is to “Master the Human Domain”

              Covert FEMA Camp Roundup drills in Florida
              The Sun Sentinel
              Published on Mar 31, 2015
              “The Sun Sentinel has recently reported and now video has surfaced of Special forces operations taking place under the cover of night in Broward County Florida.

              The shocking video shows Blackhawk helicopters flying low and landing as Americans are marched single file through the city streets then loaded into white vans then taken to a mock internment camp.

              200 military personnel from all four branches of the military took part in this coordinated drill. The locations of which were not disclosed to the public prior to the Urban Warfare training exercise.”

              “Likewise It is important to note that as the Jade Helm Exercises have recently labeled Texas and Utah as “hostile” territories in documents related to that exercise.”

              These videos made me think of…
              The Army is hiring for “Internment/Resettlement Specialists.”

              • What is really classic is hearing from a group of OATHKEEPERS re: Jade Helm: “Maybe they are trying to protect us from ISIS”. what a useless group of passive eunuchs

            • You will know when this s***t starts, it’ll start when you lose cell phone and internet service. The enemy cannot afford for the people to be able to communicate with each other, so the first thing that goes, is cell phone and land line phone service. Next will be the internet net service. Why? Because you would be able to see what was happening in the rest of the country/world. Get a ham radio to be able to communicate with family and friends. Start organizing now before its too late.

              • Good points. This whole Jade Helm is a crock. They are going to practice mingling with a native population undetected. Since they are native here just what are they learning? If a native American cannot fit in without drawing attention then something is really strange.

                • unless they actually are foreign troops.

                  • So listen for an accent whenever you hear someone in uniform talking in public.

                    You know what the people in your area should sound like, too many foreign accents by people pretending to be Americans should be easy to recognize (one or two maybe not, since they could be naturalized citizens that grew up in a foreign country, but a lot of them should arouse suspicion).

            • FS, at that point there will be lead flying between me and whoever my attackers will be. No hands up don’t shoot crap for me. “Every man dies. Not every man really lives.”

              • I hear ya, Braveheart.

                That’s why I spiritually prepare my family. We all know Jesus and Jesus knows us.

                If it comes down to a “Remember the Alamo!” and a Molon Labe situation, a prepper man’s gotta do what a prepper man’s gotta do.

                • FS, I hear you loud and clear. AIM SMALL MISS SMALL

                  • Braveheart,
                    ARMOUR piercing rounds, the old 30 caliber type penetrates the new body armour.

                    • You talking Garand or ’14?

                    • Apache54, do you mean there’s armor-piercing rounds in .30 Carbine? If so, then WOOHOO! That’s on my shopping list.

                    • Depending on the level of protection soft armor can stop regular pistol rounds to around 1400fps. Rifle rounds like the M1 carbine 30 cal. are at 1990 fps so it will penetrate soft body armor. Level 4 Can stop rifle rounds and that is wearing plates.

                    • braveheart,
                      the old 30 caliber machine gun linked rounds were armour piercing, every fifth round was a tracer, all you have to do is remove the round and place it in any 30 caliber round you want, they have a tungsten steel insert in the middle of the bullet and it will go through MOST of the body armour, i used to shoot them clear threw 20 inch trees and never found anything they would not go through, they are NOT like the newer armour piercing rounds and i guarantee the military DID not try the old rounds on the new body armour, i have some body armour with plates, a few years older style and the round never new the armour was there! hope this helps

                • That’s nice; but are you really sure that Jesus will be waiting to pick you up off the floor?

                  Better to put one in your own head than die for a worthless cause. (hint: every cause is a worthless one. Life is wrong and you know it.)

              • Braveheart:
                I could not have said it any better.
                Let me alone and you will live, mess with me and you will die. That goes for my family and friends also.
                Yes you might or will take me out but at lest you will know that I was there.
                S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb
                Ps. I got your back if you need me any time.


            • What to do? It called an EFP and effective in turning any vehicle into an armored pressure cooker.

            • Has anyone put any thought into demobilizing an mrap or other heavily armored vehicles? We should probably be discussing strategies and tactics now before it’s too late. You know just in the interest of defending our homeland in the instance that we were ever invaded by a foreign nations army 😉 All within the realm of legality of course 😉

          • I had to wonder where Posse Comitatus comes into this or is using the Marines a way around it?

            • Anony:
              I looked up the Posse Comitatus Act. of 1878. It said that the Army can not interfere in civil matters and the Air Force was put under the same act that the army was in 1956. The Navy and the Marines are not explicitly mentioned under the act.
              So your guess is as good as mine, with what is in power in the government now who know what could happen.
              S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

              • Look up Public Law 109-364, enacted by Bush, it pretty much overrides posse comitatus and puts it in an obsolete law status during a declared emergency (which the President can declare for any reason with no restrictions).

                Posse Comitatus is a simple obsolete historical document, sort of like those old traffic laws still on the books here and there that require a runner with a lantern to precede a carriage at night.

                It might still, if pushed, prevent things like Federal troops issuing parking tickets and such, but has no real importance outside of that.

            • The Possee Comititus act was repealed December 31 2012 when Obama signed the NDAA while on vacation in Hawaii. US troops wil fire on civilians as German troops, Russian troops, Chinese troops, Japanese troops et al, have done throughout history. Very few will refuse to follow orders and they will be dealt with swiftly and finally. Mob mentality will soon overwhelm any sense of morality. Even those who refuse to partiipate will do so covertly. Remember Freedom?

            • Does the military or any government entity ever look at any rule book before acting? Posse Comitatus might as well be a name for a cocktail recipe.

          • Amen

        • Tip: If you live in the desert or the beach, you will eventually go blind from sand collecting in your eyeball. Got to have goggles instead of sunglasses.

        • In Mad Max they were farming women like cows for their breast milk.

          Why didnt I think of that?


          • Acid, I hope you and I never meet.

          • LOL

      2. The question you have to ask yourself is; “Could I shoot a Marine”?

        • Yes, I can shoot a fucking traitor. Many of them.

          • right on they would be traiors

          • Hey Confederate, you may be surprised when people start shooting at you particularly if the Marines start shooting at you first.

          • Zero, same here. I can and I will shoot anyone who comes to me with any evil intentions toward me and it doesn’t matter who they are.

            • Braveheart, at least there are a few of us, and I suspect, many of us once they start trying to take us away that will fight back. This country is fucked really bad. Stupid sheeple are responsible as much as the scum committing the evil. Try to tell a sheeple what is happening and they look at you like you like you’re insane and start with the denials. I quit trying to tell them a while back.

              • Zero, same here. I tried talking to people about prepping right after Hurricane Katrina and they all looked at me the same way. I never tried talking to any sheeple again. Stupid sheeple is as stupid sheeple do. No known cure for stupidity.

                • Alot of people are talking about rounds that will penetrate body armor. Nothing but a .50 rifle or possibly the.338 Lapua round will penetrate the new level 4 ceramic plates. The best chances with the most common calibers we use is head/face/neck shots. Their helmets and face shields are typically level IIIA. Upper thigh, shin,or anywhere else there is an opening go for. I’d rather wound or kill them as opposed to just knocking the wind out of them. If they enter my perimeter, they will burn to death so screw their useless armor then.

                  • A target wearing body armor is still taken down quite easily with a low center mass hit. If you hit a man in the pelvic area, he’s dropping like a sack of potatoes. Not only is a spinal shot devastating, but remember there’s a femoral artery on either side, resulting in lights out within seconds.

                    • Good advice

            • The few, The proud, The MOREENS fuckin scumbag military morons!

              • You clearly are an ass hole who wouldn’t make a pimple on a Marine’s ass. Bet you were in the girl scouts?

              • Acid, if I ever meet you, I’d have to put you out of your misery.

                • BH, Just ignore him. AE’s not worth any response.

        • I can shoot anyone that is trying to shoot me without provocation and without legitimate legal justification.

          It’s either that or just submit, and why would I do that and try to keep anything to from them to give them reason to come after me in the first place? I’m both to old and not the type to run away and hide hoping things will just go away so I can come back.

          Why should that be a question?

          Is it that you think Marines are unshootable or something by virtue of being a Marine?

        • The answer is clear. Those Marines, or any other branch of the military who fail to uphold the Constitution and choose illegal orders over it, are no longer Marines. They are just part of the criminal element which will have to be dealt with. Semper Fidelis.

          • Ltpar,
            The answer is clear. Those Marines, or any other branch of the military who fail to uphold the Constitution and choose illegal orders over it, are no longer Marines. They are just part of the criminal element which will have to be dealt with.

            They already are doing all the above fool.

          • The entire US Military are Criminals now. Illegal invasions, drone bombing a hundred people to get one supposid terrorist. Wasting our tax dollars. They are already the world’s most largest funded, dangerous, organized criminal terrorist gang destroying the world. Anybody in the military today is a fuckin criminal. Aim for the neck and balls. Shoot when they pile out of the MRAP. Kill their family before they kill yours. Fn traitors already. Start wroting down licence plate numbers as they leave military bases in their private vehicles. Yeah know where their homes are for future reference. Do you homework now in your area. Traitors wear uniforms.

        • Shoot?

          Shoot them?

          You mean our beloved heros in olive green you old turds keep extoling? Parades, hot dogs, waving flags and marching bands? WHAT DOES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC MEAN? You fucking idiots.



          Aint no Geneva convention for traitors.

          Tick-tock motherfuckers.

          • Acid, you sodomite turd, this old fart can kick your ass into next year if it came down to it, so go f#$% yourself!

            • I never met a old man who didn’t know his limits. They still think they’re 20 years old. Sorry grandpa you’re not going to knock anyone out. At least pick up a weapon and be smart about it.

        • Zero, same here. I can and I will shoot anyone who comes to me with any evil intentions toward me and it doesn’t matter who they are.

        • Confederate a traitor is a traitor not an American and they will die there is no ?

        • Confederate- What choice would their actions leave?

          I will no be relocated in a fema camp, separated from my wife,taken out back told to kneel and shot in the back of the head.

          If Marines do that having taken the oath to protect the country from all enemies foreign and domestic- They are no longer Marines. They by their actions would be the enemy.

          My father is a 30 year Marine, I was five years in the Airborne and fifteen in the Seabees.

          • Good man. Thanks.

      3. Nice day out and the sunshine is lovely. I have sympathy for the Marines: there is a lot of hopeless trash in modern America who will go ape in a crisis. Somebody is going to have to round them up and put them somewhere. Might as well be the Marines: they are the toughest of the tough.

        • have you seen the list of Americans that Obammy considers to be “hopeless trash” in his eyes?

          You qualify for just being on this site ….

        • You reckon you’ll still feel that way when they come for you?

        • Frank those Marines work for the same scumbags that are going to start this shit so there will be NO SYMPATHY…..

      4. Because it would really go that smoothly.

        I wonder why they don’t break it into two groups, both military, instead of using civilians. Might make people question their resolve if they “acted” a little too convincingly? Might make them sympathetic to their captives maybe? Yeah probably that last one.

        But at least military guys could put up a real fight (in simulation) against other military guys with narry an eyebrow raised.

      5. This is scary stuff. They are desensitizing our military in turning on American civilians. Hope when the real thing begins the good guys will recognize it as the real thing and refuse to participate.

        • Yep, sort of reminds you of Nazi Germany doesn’t it?

        • Brea,hope the good folks participate in fighting those engaged in following evil orders.The country will need as many good people as possible when things go dark.

      6. The Uniform Code Of Military Justice is clear:
        Members of the US Armed Forces are not obligated to obey an illegal order.
        Of course in today’s America, they’ll end up singin’ in the choir at Portsmouth or Leavenworth anyway.

        • They have been doing it all along, why would they stop now?

      7. you shoot them in the legs. then it takes others to help them taking them out of the fight.

        this looks exactly like what you think its for….martial law training.

        do you think the PTB know something is coming…..I do

        • leg shots would work. I think the butt or gut would be more effective..

          • Head shots also work; in ANY caliber.

            • A headshot won’t work, they have no brains. Maybe shoot them in the ass where their thinking originates from.

      8. I have to wonder where Posse Comitatus comes into this – – or is that why they’re using Marines? I also see them as traitors for participating in it, even as “games” or “exercises,” which cements this “viability” into their psyches.

        • J’:
          I looked up Posse Comitatus Act. of 1878.
          It said that the Army can not interfere in civil matters and the Air force in 1956 was under the same restrictions as the Army
          The Navy and the Marines are not explicitly mentioned in the Act.
          With that said, with what is in control of our government they could use the Navy and the Marines in civil matters if they thought they could get away with it.
          S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

        • Refusing to participate in the training may lead to their being courtmartialed, or kicked out of the service. When the actual order to fire comes, I doubt that most will obey such and order–might fire upon the courageous gay and transgendered “marines” the commander in chief has saddled all branches of the military with. THOSE “marines”–and “undocumented immigrant” “marines” are likely the only ones to follow such orders.

      9. If you run, you’ll just die tired

      10. Something isn’t right here!

        Why are the Marines getting involved with people that have been taken into custody. If they are being detained for rioting and looting keeping them detained is LEO’s job, not the Marines. If LEO’s can’t handle it that is when the National Guard comes into play. If a states LEO’s and National Guard can’t handle them we are all screwed! It will be Katy bar the door, and you will get to send some precious metal down range.

        After saying all of that. This make you wonder what the HELL Obullshit has planned or do they know something we don’t, and they aren’t telling us, and aren’t going to tell us until it is too late?
        Makes one wonder!

        • “do they know something we don’t, and they aren’t telling us, and aren’t going to tell us until it is too late?”


          • oh plus, they never intend on telling us.. and never will

            • I agree. The top government officials and military leaders KNOW something and are not telling us.

            • Isn’t anyone paying attention to the economy, the collapse that’s coming. How about the government leaving the borders wide open and overwhelming our society in so many ways. What about the posturing with Putin, or against Israel? You need them to tell you what’s gonna happen. It’s right in front of your eyes. Or at least those with eyes to see, and ears to hear are on top of this..

              Geesh, you guys sound like a bunch of whiners.

              • mark
                you are so damn smart why don’t you enlighten us stupid people out here and tell us what is going to happen. It seems you know it all.
                When there is 1,000 different things going on at the same time. Who the hell knows what you keep your eyes on.
                Let us know so we can be as smart as you are.

                • That’s not difficult being more intelligent than you sgt, or should I say anonymous.

            • They have told us it just many weren’t paying attention. Like in the movie Open Range Kostner told Duvall A man will tell you what he aims to do you just have to pay attention.

        • I thought marines were strictly offensive units. If they are doing this training,what do the police and national guard do? don’t tell me this is training for overseas,they’ve not done that before. correct me if i’m wrong. Jade Helm looks a lot bigger than what they say it is.

          • Marines are versatile and can adapt to whatever role they are needed to take. They already have a lot of urban warfare training/experience from missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, but usually against heavily armed insurgents. If used in a urban civil unrest Martial Law scenario, much of the initial action would be against violent but unarmed criminal elements who are burning and looting cities. This is why the current training is being done.

            Keeping in mind if the plan is to gain total control of the country (which it will be)it all has to come under government jurisdiction. All local, state and federal law enforcement becomes the enforcement arm under direction of the military with FEMA running the government. In the initial stages of violent civil unrest law enforcement and military personnel are likely to follow orders to suppress it using deadly force tactics. When the initial stage is resolved and they are then ordered to take up arms and suppress their fellow American, battle lines will be drawn in the sand. I expect 95% of law enforcement and 75% of the military to refuse unlawful orders and to uphold their oath to the Constitution. It will be a tough time for all of us to endure.

            • “When the initial stage is resolved and they are then ordered to take up arms and suppress their fellow American, battle lines will be drawn in the sand. I expect 95% of law enforcement and 75% of the military to refuse unlawful orders and to uphold their oath to the Constitution.”

              I hope you’re right, LtPar. And thanks for giving your opinion because it’s given me good hope.

              P.S. Now it all makes sense as to why their’s all this concern about foreign soldiers and U.N. Blue Helmets.

              If that “Red Line” gets crossed, I would think that Obola is going to retreat into his presidential bunker so he doesn’t get assassinated.

              This whole discussion kinda reminds me of the “Hunger Games” books and movies. We called President Snow “President Snowbama” lol.

              • and if 75% Obeys Orders? These “orders” will not be issued as shoot the “civilian citizens”. There most likely will be an “Event” that affects a large portion of the distribution infrastructure of the country. This will cut food supplies and result in a “covering action” of large scale riots to mask the current bankruptcy of the US, which can now unfold.
                To maintain Order and Help the people get food, water, etc. the military will be deployed and people will run to them for help and security. Camps have to be established to facilitate the help and people will line up and crowd in like going to a large “sporting event”.
                Most military will comply in helping their fellow citizens, and the lawless will be appropriately shot as is necessary.
                When this program turns from “help” into long term containment (prison), then questions may arise,but by then it/s a done deal for most people.
                The “outliers” preppers and bitter clingers will be delt with at this point, well after the initial soft glove shut down of liberty.

                • LOL, you just took away the good hope that I got from LtPar’s comment and replaced it with a dose of acknowledgment of the crafty way that it’ll probably play out.

                  Very sneaky, very clever. Wrap the iron fist with many layers of soft charitable velvet. Many people will go for it.

            • Lt. I hope it plays out that way. With that large of a revolt the UN would probably take the stage…

            • Regarding your percentages of who will refuse orders, are you high? These groups of statist pigs are already committing crimes against Americans and are sucking at the tax dollar trough. You’re severely disillusioned. Pigs and GIs will turn on us and its happened before.

        • Sgt.D, the marines are doing it because most (but not all) LEO,s will be home with THEIR families and not showing up for work. Hell they’ll probably call up regular service members up first instead of NG when martial law is declared. If any LEO’s do show up they’ll be the first ones disarmed and escorted to the bus or train cars.

        • Wonder Sarge?I have no difficulty at all knowing they are prepping for a martial law declaration.This is supposed to be(Jade)training for foreign wars,why then training in US states with local cops?!Point I start shooting,when they start shooting innocent people.The cases of the cops who have gone to the dark side shooting unarmed fleeing people and flash banging babies,well,I know either of those victims would have shot already while first setting up so folks knew why with a times release,that,and not just go after someone in uniform but the actual perpertraitor,(spelled perpetrator that way as traitor is what those cops are),would also try something besides a gun so as not to feed the anti gun folks.I know all cops are not like the ones mentioned,but soon they must choose sides,when it really breaks down and civillians being shot time to get rid of uniform or be on the side of evil.Damn,hate to even think this way and think about such bullshit but seems one must,will fight back with violence when violence brought to me or mine or to neighbours/others close by.I will till then fight by ignoring dumb laws and regulations/try to live with less and get off of the matrix to best of ability/try to engage in economic endeavours that include no taxes/fees ect. to slightly starve the beast,seems best one can do until violent defence the only answer which I believe is soon coming unfortunately.As always,am trying to leave a link/kernel of knowledge in each post,visit while net still alive for homemade ways to heat/create electricity ect.,try and degrid when possible,enjoy the weekend folks.

          • Warchild, I’m the same way. I know I say it a lot here on this forum and maybe sound like a broken CD, but I’m dead serious about not letting any evildoers have their way with me. Ever since the Clinton era, I’ve been carrying certain self-defense items in my truck everywhere I go that are probably illegal to carry, but I don’t care. I don’t follow any restrictions on self-defense, period. When I get into a situation I handle any way I consider necessary and I don’t care about any possible legal issues connected to it. Following any and all restrictions on self-defense carries its own price tag which could very well be your own life. Most people don’t even stop to think about that. When you get into a life-threatening situation the only thing that matters is getting out of it alive. It doesn’t matter how you do it, just get out of that situation alive. I don’t give a shit about any possible legal issues, period.

        • Sarge, yes they’ve got something planned for us. i already have a real good idea what it is and I’ll be locked and loaded. AIM SMALL MISS SMALL Braveheart

        • Normalcy bias alert. Old think is rampant here, very dangerous at this time. Sarge, the confusion will be cleared up when they issue the new uniforms. We are post Constitutional and had better start acting like it.

        • SGT.
          I know!!!I know!!! oh, oh, oh, I know!!!!
          They are all speaking Arabic and its just a practice drill,
          If you believe that I have a bridge to sell.
          Those PTB @$#*&^%$#__*&^%#!#$% are up to something.
          GET READY, I think TSWHTF SOON!!!!!
          S.T.S.F.P. N.Reb

      11. The only thing that is missing is the goon towers.
        Then you know it for real.
        I am glad to see the military practicing.
        I only hope that they use this for only good reasons if the balloon goes up.
        I fear that we will not have to wait long……

      12. ht tp://

        So how is this that cops can kill dogs, pepper spray chipmunks in front of elementary children , and other animal cruelty
        and have absolutely no charges brought against them ?

        Now this lawn mower guy is just following in their foot steps using a different tool ..
        ALL OF IT IS WRONG!!

        Not directed at you SGT, just saw you posted before i sent this

      13. “E”
        I have seen a lot of sissy come out of the academy lately and they are afraid of everything. Mostly City boys that don’t know anything about animals. A Country boy can tell if a dog is just barking, because that is what they do or if the god is going to attack. Being cruel to animals is sick. I hate it when I have to put a Deer down after it gets hit by a car.

        I did have to shoot a cat one time after it bit and clawed up a little girl, and we couldn’t get close to it. (My Sgt. and I didn’t have anyone around when we did it. We didn’t want the little girl to see that.) We didn’t want it to get away incase it had Rabies.
        The cat turned out to be the Mayors wife’s cat. The Mayor was so happy with us he bought the Sgt. and I a pizza and brought it down to the station. I’m not kidding this is the truth. He hated that damn thing.

        The Mayors wife did forgive me after she found out how bad the little girl was hurt. She saw her about three days later when she was all scabbed up. (face neck arms)

        Just to hurt an animal is WRONG!!!!

        • Great story. LedMAO.

        • “Kill it if you can’t subdue it.”

          Nuff said. Next time call the fireman.

          • JRS:
            What do you think is going to happen after it is captured???
            I don’t care if it is a cop, fireman, animal control or Joe Smoe. I will be put down. by bullet or by drugs it is still going to die.
            S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

            • It’s a cat, FFS, not a Pit Bull or German Shepherd.

              Who kills a cat with a service weapon?

              Shouldn’t he have tazed it first and then cuffed it before he shot it?

              • Tell that little girl that still has scares on her face and arms because it was a just a cat.
                I would love to see you tell her daddy that, just one time.
                I don’t care what kind of animal it is, if it viciously attacks and it hurts a child. IT’S DEAD MEAT!!! in my book!!! I would use what ever means I would have on hand to put it down. From my bare hands to my 300 win mag and every thing in between.
                Hell, I would use a hammer or my pocket knife if I had to.
                How do you know what his service weapon was back then. It could have been a 9mm or a 38 special or a 45 acp.
                No wait it was a it was an ak 57 double barreled heat seeking tripled scope laser guided drum feed bazooka.
                What are you one of those tree hung animal right clown’s that think animals are little humans that can’t talk????
                Get a real life, JRS
                S.T.S.F.P. N.Reb

          • JRS
            You only see what you want to see.
            #1 you couldn’t get with in 50 feet of the damn thing.
            #2 I’m not bringing out a Fire Dept. to get a (what we believed to be a stray) cat.
            By the way I used a 22 heart shot, because the head had to be sent to be checked for rabies.
            You know of what you speak so SHUT THE “F” UP!

        • So you shoot animals that need to be shot ad hate city boys… Good story bro….

      14. As you can see, they train. Do you?

      15. Frankly, I wouldn’t loose a lot of sleep worrying about the U.S. Marines violating the Constitution, even if ordered to. They might go into a city where burning, looting and rioting is taking place and even shoot armed looters. Such actions would be upholding the Constitutional Rule of Law. That said, any orders to take action of force or duress against the rest of the American population would be unlawful and I believe most would refuse to comply. For those who comply with unlawful orders, they are not Marines, but rather just another part of the criminal element which must be forcefully dealt with. Semper Fidelis.

        • Lptar,I really hope you are right,hope the same with many cops but really wonder will they do the right thing or be bought out with care/food for their families ect. or have families threatened if they do not comply with evil orders?Like disasters in the past seems to bring the worst and best out in people,I really hope when sorely tested it brings out the best in me despite potential bad consequences/even my death,tis my goal to when it falls apart help others,I hope for the strength to achieve that goal and work towards it prepping in many ways.

        • The only concern i have with that well thought out and optimistic logic is, im sure you heard of the social experiment done where they took random ppl and split them into prison guards and prisoners, within days some guards became abusive, within a week all guards were abusive, it was so bad they ended the test early. I fear many will go with what they think might be their means of survival.

          • Also i served, 20 some odd years ago, and know for a fact take 20 soldires and leave them unsupervised and 70 percent will do stupid shit, morals came from the leadership, now our leadership has no morals, most men left to their own devices are capable of awful things…. Cant count how many times ive seen 10 guys all get crabs, ghonorhea and other such pleasantries in one place at one time.,groupthink is the norm……

            Ps. This is why a rarely post, i alwys miss the conversation, lol

      16. need we say more about what is to come?

      17. Hastening the March to a North American Union and Global Governance
        -May 7, 2012

        “The march toward a union of the United States, Canada and Mexico — and ultimately global government — continues apace.

        The ultimate goal of the elites is to create a one world socialist government.”

        “But don’t expect any coverage from the corporatist MSM. They are merely mouthpieces for the establishment and know what they can and can’t say. And they aren’t invited unless they’ve proven themselves trustworthy.”

        “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years,” David Rockefeller said in a speech leaked from a Bilderberger meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany in 1991.

        “It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.

        But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

      18. We all know that the deck is stacked against us. I believe the fact that we are not all on the same page is a good thing. /with so many of us taking different actions & stategeys they cant formulate a plant that covers every eventuality. They wont know what to expect next and the element of surprise will catch them unprepared. Im confident that eventually good will prevail over evil.

      19. C.O… “Get ’em boys.”

        Jarhead…”What are they equipped with, sir?”

        C.O… “Nuthin’…but they called my mommy a name.”

        Jarhead…”YES, SIR. We’re on it.” Click Clack…

        • JRS, sound like that CO could be acid.

          • I dunno braveheart…

            He seems to follow his own mind and not that of “authority”.

            • LMFAO! JRS, you’re right about that.

      20. I’m going to throw out another thought, but I don’t discount the possibility of US Troops operating on US soil.

        Our armed forces could be training for a mission that they really have not done for 70 years: The invasion and occupation of a country or countries. We have not left an occupying force behind since WWII. Nobody in our current military has any idea of how to run something like that or the potential variables.

        I know this is a long shot, but what if some folks high up on the ladder finally understand that to be free, we might have to actually go to war, not just wage a limited campaign. I know, crazy thought.

        • I still say they’re getting ready to round up and deport all the illegal aliens.

          More likely than we are practicing to conquer and occupy Europe or something.

          • Think about that statement logically. Why would they be after the illegals with a wide open border? They’re not even attempting to lock down the border, what’s more is they’re sending the illegals around the states in buses!
            Overwhelming the system is the ultimate goal of the DEMONRAT REGRESSIVE SOCIALISTS. Capitalism is their enemy, and they have been trying to destroy it since Woodrow Wilson.

      21. Before anybody freaks out too much those “civilians” ARE Marines (note haicuts and NOT FAT) and their dependents(wife’s/girlfriends and kids)there is too much liability in using actual civilians in this type of training. Also the Marines I know (besides myself) when asked years ago (in the eighties)if we would disarm Americans said F@%K NO. will they shoot thieving looters yes and so would I

      22. It’s clearly obvious the intent is to disarm American citizens, leaving no obstacles against total tyranny. Our Constitution has been eviscerated and is for all intents and purposes null and void. The devious plans of the traitors have hit hyper urgent mode. It’s approaching now or never for a people’s revolution, you all sense the impending doom. Good luck to all in the fight for freedom, may truth and justice win the battle.

      23. You can prep all you want but if the Marines turn on US citizens you will need some set of special skills or luck in getting away. To qoute Liam Niesen: GOOD LUCK.

      24. A fitting song here would be Thunderclap Newman’s “Something in the Air”.

      25. ‘military men are dumb stupid animals!’

        according to zio-jew henry kissinger.

      26. Well… they shouldn’t need the Marines to subdue a population that subsists on McDonalds & Burger King, would find going from morbidly obese to just plain obese a massive improvement, thinks “exercise” is going to the washroom during a DWTS intermission, lives on TV dinners, MSG, sugar/aspartame, GMOs, fluoride and pop tarts, wears their pants down around their knees (who needs leg irons when you have pants at that level!) and are pre-diabetic, only get up to go out to get their food stamps card in the mail, and think going to their weekly “Yes we can/Yes we have no bananas” mindless leftist lemming chant in qualifies for aerobics.

        What’s to subdue? Just threaten to turn off their DWTS episode, and they will be reduced to a quivering mass of jelly.

        Was just thinking what Henry David Thoreau, who wrote Self Reliance, or John Coulter, who was granted to break off off from the Lewis and Clark expedition on the return trip, would think of the pansies today. Heck, wonder what all those WWII vets, think.

      27. “One word of truth outweighs the entire world.

        Think about that, libs, next time you leftists (Hilary and her litany of lies, anyone?) play your frantic spin game, and remember that, as happened with the USSR, your lies can win for a week, a day, a year… but they cannot last.

        Liberalism, the politics of lies.

      28. Interesting reading from Alexandr Solzhenitsyn. Take from it what you will. Just some thoughts for your reflection, relative to truth, freedom and justice as it disappeared in the USSR:

        To stand up for truth is nothing. For truth, you must sit in jail. You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me. The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world. In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.

        If I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible what was the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: ‘Men had forgotten God; that is why all this has happened.’ A decline in courage may be the most striking feature that an outside observer notices in the West today. The Western world has lost its civic courage . . . . Such a decline in courage is particularly noticeable among the ruling and intellectual elite, causing an impression of a loss of courage by the entire society.

        And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.

        – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      29. I am glad to see the Marines are practicing.
        Just in case the P.D. and the N.G. can not handle it.
        The only thing that is missing in these exercises
        is the watch towers.

        When you see thous you know something is wrong…….

      30. say what ??

      31. Dimitr Orluv. is right, he was taking about russians and the fact be that they are a disarmed population. If these marines or other foreign Nationals attempt that here it will lead to a blood bath. DHS orders over 2,000,000,000 rounds of all kinds of bullets and shells.. since be sandy hook false flag event, the American people purchased over 2,000,000,000 rounds off of the shelf and purchase over 100,000,000 more guns, over 3000 AR 15’s were sold in just my area alone according one dude I talked to that’s in the sales business.

        For the first time every in the history of America, the battle ground is now even..we the people ultimately holds the tactical ground.

        All the Mossberg shotguns were sold out even until January 2014- to the present.. the. 50 cals were selling off the shelf. All over the place, .223/5.56 sales went to epidemic proportions. The Houston/north Cypress/ Katy areas armament is extremely, horrifically, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, very bad azz armament, severely excessively to the nth degree. The Marines have been practising to raid, kick in doors, detain, and force you into concentration camps. I think that that must be in another state because if they try this is Texas, Marines and foreign armies will be extinct in 30 days. Add Dallas and other cities and counties, will raise hell, you get the picture..

        Any jihadist, russians, Nato UN, Chinese, north Korean, and other enemy countries, marines, etc, get ready for HELL ON EARTH., quit your job, leave while you can, you will not survive what’s coming ..from the moment you enter Texas and our city, you know that you are already dead. From the moment you people kill us and touch the women during this attack, the response is going to hell on earth for you all.

        Shtf, don’t you love it.



        • I’ve got a question concerning Tula brand ammo. I found some .30 Carbine in stock somewhere yesterday in that brand, 110gr. 50 round box for $17.99 each. Never used tula brand before. Is it any good? I thought about getting several boxes of it.

          • Braveheart:
            Tula is Russian made ammo, It is a little better than those bear ammo’s.
            They are steal cased and are hard ball type, hollow point and some are soft point.
            They are not the most accurate round, but are good for practice. I shot them to break in a barrel on a rifle and through lead down range for fun.
            I don’t think they are reloadable with the steal case, I don’t reload them.
            I have shot them in 223’s 308’s 7.63×39 7.62×51 9mm 38 special to name a few.
            They are a little dirty but that’s half of the fun cleaning your weapon.!;-}
            S.T.S.F.P. N. Reb

            • NR, thanks for the info. This is the first time I’ve found some .30 Carbine anywhere except for gun shows in over a year. I’m going back for several boxes tonight. $17.99 for a 50-round box at Bass Pro Shop.

              • Brave,your request intrigued me,does seem the Tula most avaliable,much cheaper on ammoseek/luckygunner/slickguns ect along with some better quality stuff that is brass and reloadable.I know folks will say don’t order off net if you want to be left alone but visiting this site and am sure others you are already on lists along with millions of others,welcome!Tis why I say order offline and get free shipping but by all means get some boxes tonight as who knows what may happen tommorrow.The tula OK,have shot a lot in .223/7.62,watch for dirty primers though,if that is case with it clean extra carefully so no damage if corrosive,check sites I mentioned if you want to get some reloadable brass,happy shooting!

                • Warchild, I found the Tula at Bass Pro shop in my area and I always buy ammo in brick-and-mortar stores and gun shows for cash. Ammo is one thing I refuse to buy online regardless of any deals. I get all the preps I can offline and with cash. I know .30 Carbine is not one of the most popular calibers around but it will still do the job. M1 Carbine is a proven warhorse from WW2 and Korean War. Keep it clean and well-oiled and it will shoot every time. Never jams like an AR and doesn’t need the same level of maintenance. Easy to operate and fun to shoot. That 110-grain will still take a scumbag out of the fight.

              • Ive benn looking more than a year as well….strange, i used to see those universal 30 carbines everywhere, figure there would be some ammo around somewhere, hell i would go for well stored WWII surplus,lol

                • Secret Squirrel, my M1 Carbine is one of the old Universal models. I bought it from a collector at a gun show in 2012 for only $400, MINUS the rear sight. It’s still a good shooter and have 30-round mags for it. I have a scope mount for it but the way the receiver was designed it requires a gunsmith to install it. There’s no gunsmith in my area with the necessary equipment to do it and I don’t have the knowledge to do it myself. I got it before the Sandy Hook incident and the panic on gun/ammo buying that ensued. The lowest priced M1s I see nowadays are around $800 and that’s for other brands. It’s a bit much to shoot any kind of rifle without a rear sight bit I’ve gotten used to it. It’s still easy to operate and fun to shoot and recoil is not bad. I might look for another one at the next gun show.

                  • Braveheart, that is a good deal, u should be able to find a kporean era articulated rear sight for it for around 25 bucks, the go on fairly easy, i thought about scoping mine but ive found i shoot better with iron sights on !ost most my firearms… My m1 is an old inland model (GM) made in the 40s and later rearmored for korea, still has orig 5 digit serial reciever but has newer barrel, sights etc, i actually got it for WWII re enacting so i restored it to its WWII config, 15 round clps, folding paratrooper stock, small flip sight etc, but i love it, dont shoot it much anymore as the few cartridges i have for it im saving for a break glass for emergiencies type scenerio, lol

                    • .30 carbine is a fairly short distance cartridge, no real advantage to scoping it and it makes it slower to aim and fire for quick shots if you do.

          • Tula ammo isn’t the best, but its not bad either. It is steel cased, berdan primed thus CANNOT be reloaded. I have shot thousands of rounds without any real problems from my SKS. Part of my shooting practice in years past was shooting golf balls across a field, mine and a few buddies version of golf. Tula is as accurate as any cheap ”spray and pray” ammo and good for practice. I now buy it by the case to cache for SHTF scenarios. One word of caution. If you use it for cache ammo, seal it in mylar or vacuum seal it with some type of dessicant to prevent rust. It is coated steel, but if left in humid environments, it will rust if not packaged properly. Another word of warning. This has never happened to me, but have heard that if you do a lot of rapid firing and really heat up the chamber, especially a tight fitting chamber the coating on the bullet will build up in the chamber and create jamming problems. I have probably shot 500 to 750 rounds in a day playing field golf with my SKS without this being a problem. The ones that have said this was a problem were shooting it thru AR’s that were direct gas operated, not gas piston operated like an SKS.

        • Hout/cypress/Katy/shtf says-

          Ya have that right! There still are Texans in Texas.

          I know, I’m one of them!

          God bless the United States (Texas) of America!

          … to the Army and Navy and the battles they have won; here’s to America’s colors, the colors that never run. Jack Burton: May the wings of liberty never lose a feather.

      32. There’s a wake up call….even to the “Head up their ass crowd” as to who these guys with guns work for…(hint) It aint you…

      33. Here’s a wake up call even for the (head up their ass crowd) as to…Who do these guys with guns work for?…(hint) It aint you…

      34. Someone above mentioned that these training tactics are being done to “desensitize” the Reg. force Marines in uniform. I’m Canadian so I am only watching the events from across the border. But from what I know through work and education, if you’re able to desensitize someone to who they are dealing with, they will no longer see their fellow Americans as that, this training, IMO, will help to see the run of the mill American as an enemy and not a fellow countrymen. Because of this, I wonder if the statistics stated would be true of the participating military forces. I shudder to think that many of those shoulders may have been brainwashed enough to believe in their cause, especially if they’re getting two hots and a cot in a protected base. Just my opinion fellas. All the best.

        • Joecardio.

          Could it be that some preppers already see their fellow countrymen as the enemy. Guess it works both ways.
          One is a tyrant the other an insurgent.

      35. My only other comment would be that this training is truly for the protection of the American people. But with all the citizens that have been bullied and killed by SOME LEO’s, it may be just a matter of time before you do have multiple cities being looted and burned at the same time. Criminals of opportunity. I find it hard to believe poverty is the reason for these incidents. From up here, I see the reason being the lack of respect for their community and fellow man. There are countless men and women who have risen out of poverty to change the circumstances they were in. I commend them for not believing the hype that being poor and of colour is a license to loot, pillage and burn towns and cities down.

      36. Something wrong with this training video.

        The military are engaging hostile’s wearing battle rifles and are chasing them area the field. Does not fit.
        A POW camp or internment camp are the same. They would shoot the prisoners upon uprising in the camp to control them. Like they do in regular prisons. They are carrying 180 rounds 6 – 30rounders. Looks like light body armor.
        If I was in one of those camps I would go for the weapon and or grab hold of the helmet and twist.
        The protestors are military and know they will not get shot.

        They mean to shoot us.

      37. Tula has gotten better. I use it in my AR and AK. Never had a problem. They had some problems years ago but competition made it better. regardless of ammo,i clean my weapons after each time i go to the range. Its either a dirty gun or shooter error that messes up a rifle.

        • Jim in VA, I’m also a stickler for keeping my weapons clean and in working order. I’ve seen the brand at various dealers but just never tried any of it. I’m going back to Bass Pro tonight and get several boxes of it. I even keep extra gun cleaning supplies stockpiled; bore brushes, pads, rods, Hoppe’s No. 9, oil, silicone cloths, etc. You can NEVER have too much on gun cleaning supplies. Even if I run low on bullets for one particular gun, that gun will still be clean, oiled, and ready to go if I need it.

          • Brave,look up Ed’s red,homemade cleaner that out performs most of the store stuff and inexpensive to make,great stuff!

            • I guess the recipe would help! Here you go,now bookmark it folks! ht tp:// ,you all know the space in http routine!Rest assured,made properly Ed’s Red comes with the Warchild seal of approval which will I know allow you all to sleep better at night!Seriously,a lot of good cleaners on this site/bookmark/print up/get the materials and make it!

            • Brave, why don’t you just sell it and get an ak? Lots of food for ak and it’s the most reliable and you can get parts etc. More power, more reliable, easy to find ammo, easy to find parts, about the same price, etc. Seems like a smart option to me.

              • Sell what?!Genius,you are confusing me,brave and his .30?!You do not sell firearms(you lose em in kayak accidents!)you just add to the family members!

                • WC, ha ha your right! I was just thinking maybe he didn’t have the funds for a new toy. But a toy with no ammo is just that, a toy. I would much rather have a toy that I can use! 🙂

                  • Whoa there Genius,take a deep breath and re-read,brave says going out and getting some boxes tonight!All is well,have a drink pal,it’s gonna be OK!Oh,but that light at the end of the tunnel,that’s a freight train coming your way!

                  • If I had some funky caliber liberty tool and no ammo I would dump that sucker asap and get a common caliber with a ton of ammo. If I didn’t have the funds I would def sell it to replace it with better tools. I wanted a .22 mag but there is no ammo so I said no way no matter how good the deal was. If I had a 45-70 I would sell it in a heartbeat and get a 300 win mag. I would get rid of all oddball calibers and obtain common tools like 30.06, .308, 300 win mag, .243, .223/556, 45acp, .40, .357, 9mm, etc. Let the collectors eat shit on the odd stuff, I want a tool I can use !

                    • WC, I hear ya lol. I hope he gets at least 1000 rds.

                    • When all those popular calibers of ammo are gone, its those odd ball calibers that will be available. Best to have a good mix of several calibers, and reloading supplies for all of them that are centerfire.

              • Genius, I’ll take you up on that when I see foreign troops or muzzies in the streets with AKs. I’ll take an AK from a dead foreigner PLUS ammo. mags, anything else useful, so why buy an AK? When the UN peacekeepers and muzzies show up and the lead starts flying there will be plenty of AKs laying around for the taking and full-auto ones at that.

      38. Someone should put together a “training video” of citizens hanging public officials in effigy. Make it clear that this is what will happen to those in power who violate the Constitution.

        In the meantime, we can watch what happened to the former dictator of Romania.

        Pay particular attention to what crimes Ceausescu and his wife were charged with.

        • Mans inhumanity to man… What’s gone so terribly wrong? Heavy sigh.

      39. Anon,loved that,his wife was head of Romania secret police,was a great moment in history!

        • Anon4, thanks for that video. That’s what needs to be the ultimate fate of all of our traitors out there.

      40. Sorry Ass state of affairs this Once Great Country has became! Will these Troops be wearing FULL BODY & HEAD- Protection “If & When” all Hell breaks loose?

        All it would take is one good shot between the eyes or anywhere in the head, be it Bullet or Arrow (CrossBow) and an ordinary Citizen could acquire a pretty high power and automatic weapon!

      41. The Corps and Army, Navy and LEO’s will not be enough manpower to lock down the entire nation. With supply lines down they may try to starve people out of the rural areas but if you’re prepped that could prove hard to do?

        U.N. troops? I don’t know…

        ya know?, it really pisses me off to see my tax dollars be turned against me. Keep fit, get off the couch and think out of the box…

      42. So much talk of shooting and so little about fighting. A proper supply of explosives, detonators, remote controls and the knowledge where to place them could leave a military force wounded, starving, bleeding, poisoned and in the dark without comms or support. That would be a tactical method to destroy an enemy with a minimum expense of bloodshed, effort or supplies.

        Does that not seem more logical? So all we need is 100 men (people) with the right skill sets and the will to act when required. Simple, yes. Easy, no.

        Effective guerilla war is a mother to fight against let alone win. It is why we lost in Vietnam, as did Ghengis Khan in his age. We were arrogant and stupid to fight in such a manner. It would be the same on our soil should our military turn, yet we might live to see it.

      43. Once you enter a government camp (by whatever means), you are at he mercy of those running the camp. It’s pretty much Martial law at that point. While there are a few examples where those within the camps are treated fairly, one of the big assumptions is that the infrastructure outside the camp will remain in place and that supplies will be delivered to the camp in sufficient quantity to support the number of inhabitants. And that is where things break down, whether by destruction of the infrastructure or by graft – leaving the camp inhabitants underfed, or worse. Remember that when FEMA comes to your ‘rescue’.

      44. One vietnam veteran I talked to how personally killed over 40 vietcongs..laughed at me for talking about Jade Helm 15,get this, he does not thing 100,000 soldiers including foreign nations will be able to take out Texas, he say that they will be extinct in less than 30 days. Low tech always beats high tech everytime. The Vietnamese won the war. He said when it comes, it comes I ain’t worried I will just do what I did in nam, shoot to kill. He things that they would need about 5 million to take down Texas. Jade helm is a joke. That’s why the soldiers are getting nervous, they have been readings these boards. The cops in my area look at soldiers firing on civilians as criminal behavior that must be delt with by lethal force. The odds are not in favor for troops firing on civilians. The troops are going to pay a heavy price with third lives. I have literally been told by red necks standing next me in stores purchasing Smith and Wesson 12 inch knives telling me that it for the war that’s coming. This is Texas and it looks like he citizenry is planning in to do some scalping and. skinning of captured soldiers.

        The people are worried about their wife’s daughters and children, this is what they are trying one is going to able to come into a house and abusing them and their children including abduction and kidnapping of females to take to camps to rape, according to the Canadian General, who Promised the chinese lots of girls and per of their contractual agreement, talking crap about two shots to the head of Patriots and your wife and daughter goes to the camp to be service the Chinese soldiers, THIS WILL GET SOLDIERS KILLED, This will get you killed. This was leaked to Steve Quayle. The an looks good on paper, let see you try it here Mr Canadian general.

        This is not unarmed Kosovo versus the serbs.

        For any marines, national guard reading his, I am just letting you know what I have been hearing around me. You guys are in deep dude, once you attack the people..i feel sorry for you all, you all are in a lot of trouble. Now I know what you all are finally questioning you commanders and captains, the problem is, you guys are already dead, and the war hasn’t started yet?

      45. I throw out a simple question but the true answer is; “You do what you have to do in that moment in time.”

      46. A message to anyone who goes along with Obama’s martial law. You are expendable. They will use you until enough foreign troops are brought in. Then you will be made obsolete. Kicked to the curb or locked up.

        BECAUSE you are untrustworthy.

        Foreign troops know and hate us. They can be counted on to do the evil they are told to do.

        It’s funny how troops only a year ago serving the Fedgov are now the enemy once they are kicked out. No longer part of the machine.

      47. What if EVERYONE in the designated exercise areas donned that green waste band or the JADE HELM armband? Wouldn’t THAT throw them for a loop! Just a thought

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