U.S. Treasury Warns of What’s to Come: “Catastrophic Effect… Could Last for More Than a Generation”

by | Oct 4, 2013 | Headline News | 555 comments

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The next time someone tells you that the US government is operating in a fiscally sustainable manner and that our economy is growing strongly point them to the latest report from the U.S. Treasury Department.

According to the new report released yesterday all of our worst fears may soon be realized should the United States default on its obligations to creditors, employees, and recipients of state-sponsored benefits.

The report details the consequences of Congress failing to raise the debt ceiling so that the government can borrow more money. The political impasse will likely be resolved in the 11th hour just as it has been during prior showdowns. But, the report has much broader implications.

This is nothing short of an official admission and confirmation of the decades’ long woeful mismanagement of U.S. economic, fiscal and monetary policy.

Here’s what you can expect to happen on that fateful day when our government is no longer extended the credit it needs to cover its trillion dollar commitments:

“In the event that a debt limit impasse were to lead to a default, it could have a catastrophic effect on not just financial markets but also on job creation, consumer spending and economic growth,” the report said.

Credit markets could freeze, the value of the dollar could plummet, US interest rates could skyrocket, the negative spillovers could reverberate around the world, and there might be a financial crisis and recession that could echo the events of 2008 or worse.

“Considering the experience of countries around the world that have defaulted on their debt, not only might the economic consequences of default be profound, but those consequences, including high interest rates, reduced investment, higher debt payments, and slow economic growth, could last for more than a generation,” the report states.

Via: Yahoo and HuffPost

While all the political hoopla in Congress will eventually lead to an agreement on raising the debt ceiling, the fact is that we are very quickly approaching our limit as a nation.

At some point our creditors are going to pull the plug. They understand that the $200 trillion in obligations we have will never be met. Countries like Russia, China, and even the private central banking conglomerates are positioning their chess pieces right now for when this day comes.

The end result is going to widespread financial and economy destruction, a meltdown of the U.S. dollar, and a collapse of our very way of life as tens of millions of Americans will be instantly impoverished.

Economic analyst John Williams has warned that when it does finally happen, we can fully expect disruptions to our food supplies and the normal flow of commerce.

Without the U.S. dollar as a viable mechanism of exchange, such a  scenario could very quickly lead to civil unrest, violence, and widespread looting. While most Americans may deny that the possibility exists, it’s exactly the scenario that U.S. Homeland Security experts and the Pentagon have been simulating for years.

The U.S. Treasury Department has confirmed it can happen. The military and DHS are actively war-gaming contingency plans and stockpiling ammunition, recruiting soldiers for interment operations, and arming up local police forces. Furthermore, governments around the world are training for it.

Take their lead, and do the same on an individual level by developing your own long-term preparedness plan. Set aside food in case it is no longer available at grocery stores. Save some gold and silver to utilize as a mechanism of exchange should the dollar crash. Learn to use a firearm and have ammunition on hand to defend yourself when the masses start fighting for whatever resources remain.

While the timing of the Treasury Department’s report is designed to instill fear in the American public, understand that raising the debt ceiling will do absolutely nothing to resolve the underlying issues we face and the consequences that will eventually be realized.

 

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    1. Unreconstructed Southron

      NOW they tell us.

      • Outlaw

        Although it is true, I think the only reason they are telling us is for the “scare tactics” effect, so that they can kick that can a little further down the road.

        • Unreconstructed Southron

          Bingo!!!

          You win…

          an all-expense-paid vacation to…

          FEMA Camp 1984

          • Outlaw

            Lol, can I pass on the prize and just take the cash value?

            • hammerhead

              i know you guys realize that this is fearmongering by the obama regime to make the repubs look bad.
              But what if ?
              What if Obama decidesto tell ol ben to stop printing for awhile so the stock market tanks ?
              There wouldnt be anyone but a socialist democrap elected for the next fifty years .
              It would sure as hell speed up the “agenda” !
              Just my random thought on this one .have a good day.

              • Gary Brewer

                Cloward Piven Baby….. the plan is working !

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  “The way forward is so radical it can’t happen. It would necessitate a sweeping divorce of the state and the market economy. It would require a renunciation of crony capitalism and it’s first cousin: Keynesian economics in all its forms. The state would also need to get out of the economic uplift, bailout, and social insurance business and drastically shift its focus to managing and funding an effective and affordable means-tested safety net.

                  Restoring fiscal solvency and free market prosperity would also require the drastic diminution of the state’s bloated machinery of warfare and central banking, meaning that the hurdles to true economic recovery are forbidding. Deep shrinkage of the military-industrial complex, for example, could happen only upon the wholly unlikely abandonment of the interventionist foreign policy that nourishes it. Likewise, eliminating the scourge of the Wall Street casino would require restoration of free market interest rates and honest price discovery in the stock market; that is to say, elimination of the Fed’s open market bond-buying operation and its regime of financial repression and risk asset levitation.

                  Alas, none of these solutions are even remotely possible within our now fully corrupted constitutional framework. The latter is no longer a system of democratic choice and governance; it is a tyranny of incumbency and money politics. As such, it has set in motion a financial doomsday machine that is inexorably speeding toward national insolvency and monetary collapse.”

                  ~ David A Stockman. The Great Deformation, Pg. 672

                • Gods Creation

                  “”“Catastrophic Effect… Could Last for More Than a Generation”””

                  Reminds me of the old saying that we are always one generation away from tyranny.

                  The treasury is not issuing a warning so much as it is a statement of the banksters desire.

                  To kill the country for a generation so all those who know and desire freedom will be dead and no longer a threat to their power.

                  We must take back the country before that is allowed to happen of the idea of freedom will disappear from the history books.

                • Slick One

                  Lord how Id like to be the one to announce on national Television, “Ladies and gentlemen, your EBT cards, Welfare Checks, AFDC, WIC and section 8 housing vouchers
                  are terminated!” “Time for you to get off your asses and seek employment, the gravy train has derailed!”

              • jerrytbg

                Correct me if I’m wrong Hammer but I do believe this is being mocked here…no?
                ergo…bring it on MFer’s…There are millions of guys and gals, just like me…It ain’t gonna take much more…
                lol!!! Where’s the popcorn…(organic)…

                • hammerhead

                  what is being mocked , jerry ?
                  socialism ? damn right .

                • jerrytbg

                  Hammer, we are not in disagreement…sorry you took it that way…
                  Seems others misunderstood as well… orwell…Haha lol!

                • Mike Lemmon

                  Wow, you’re stupid. I thought you fools believed in markets. Why is the market only paying a couple of per cent? Because i the market perceives the investment safe. The default you clowns incessantly whine and worry about, will only come about because you clowns are provoking it by not paying the bills already incurred. When if you’re right about the debt, it did not happen overnight, and anything but a slow, incerentalist solution will crash the economy.

                • jerrytbg

                  I’m sorry mikey but what you just wrote…makes no sense…at all!

                  HAAHAHAHAHA!

              • eeder

                Obama does not tell the fed what to do. Quite the opposite.

              • Makati1

                First, there would be no future elections as the US would cease to exist as a country of 50 states.

                Second, ALL imports would end until the exporters knew they would be paid in gold or other currencies, not dollars. Look at the ‘made in’ labels on all of your food and stuff to see the impact on YOUR life.

                Third, there would be ZERO economic growth (See #1) as the US is NOT like the 3rd world countries that collapsed in the past and had help from other countries to pick up the pieces. The US stands aloe as it will take down the rest of the West and many countries friendly to it. China and Russia will stand by and watch.

                • ESten33333

                  no – china or Russia will become the new world monetary system – they both have gold/silver in their banks to cover their money. The dollar will become nothing – all americans will lose…..this will be the final or close to final goal of Obama . . . to see US destroyed as we are taken over by Muslims.

                • higins

                  And why shouldn’t the Russians and Chinese watch. The American government has been playing this game for years and if it gets burned it should for not listening. If America was sensible the people would start cooping within communities to see what local resources they have and start building on what they don’t. When the dollars does collapse it will be the ones who make these changes that will survive. The government that you’ve been paying all these years will leave you high and dry with no support and will probably steal whatever you have left.

              • TheGuy

                There’s a plan guaranteed to blow up in his face.

                • Wahid

                  There was money to go to war with Syria,an now no money for the goverment to keep running “interesting.”

                • Tom Bain

                  You Are A Big MOUTH Idiot
                  It’s already in motion
                  No One can stop it

              • doc

                Ben is pretty much in the toilet. If he doesn’t pull back on QE the market stays pumped up, the dollar devalue goes critical, and the theater continues. If he pulls back at all, interests rise a lot, market drops and hyperinflation starts to kick in. He knows it. He also knows that he does not want be in his chair when it happens. He will do everything he can to keep it together to allow him to get his butt out the door next year. Oh, happy days

              • connor

                If Obummer had the Fed stop printing there wouldn’t be anyone elected for years because the entire welfare house of cards they built would collapse.

                The Government and Fed cannot stop QE. All they can do is ride it out until it stops on it’s own.

            • OutWest

              We’re sorry to inform you, but due to the bungling
              incompetence of our self-serving governmental greed,
              your generation is dead — The USTD.

              • hammerhead

                The last time I felt this way was when i got outta school in 1980 , jimmy carter was in office then too.
                And peanuts werent free then either .

                • hammerhead

                  and “Billy beer” sucked .

                • Facebook Page

                  I remember those feeling when he enter office. Even back then many were asleep.

            • Dr colt

              Well yea—-Two wheel barrows full of Ben-notes

            • KY Mom

              As a country we have grown weak spiritually, physically, intellectually and economically.

              2 CHRONICLES 7:14
              “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”

              • Revelation.

                Hey KY Mom. it will never happen,ever. A untowards generation ,has the whole planet become. Evil ways and doings is their God. Reptance will never come from the unruly. I think judgement has begun and will continue until that final day. And i,m willing to bet a gold eagle on it!

                • swampratt

                  REVELATION The bad thing is GOD will stick a flamimg
                  rod up our ass if we don’t get it right

                • KY Mom

                  Revelation,

                  I agree. Like a sinking ship, at this point the focus is being awake and getting onto the lifeboats. (prepping for the future)

              • laeagle

                @KY Mom, You are absolutely correct, and there are many who share your sentiments, including me. Unfortunately, when the collapse occurs I am not sure the little life-boats will be enough to save anyone. It will probably only prolong the suffering that people will be going through. The ones who died early on will be remembered as the lucky ones. People will run into holes in the ground and pray that the mountains would crush them. Remember how Abraham bargained with God over Sodom and Gomorrah? Perhaps there will be a remnant who will humble themselves and seek the face of God. Pretty scary thoughts. We all need each other. It is utter nonsense to think we can survive alone, for what?

              • Lucifer's Bobsled

                Jesus loves you- go to the church and wait. (Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil- Packwood’s Law.)

                • NITROMAN

                  FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD

                • KY Mom

                  Lucifer,

                  The country may choose not to repent. But, that doesn’t change what we as individuals (and as a country) should do.

                  In the Bible, that you choose to mock, it doesn’t end well for Lucifer. Read it. Before it is too late, you should repent too.

                • Frank

                  Nah, I’ll be out in the streets aligning myself with the Holy Spirit to feed the sheep and heal the sick and dying. You can have your ‘nother what, seven years? Worship the beast, and whaddya get, saint Peter don’t ya take him cuz HE can’t go, he owes his soul, to the lake of fire.

                • Frank

                  Nah, I’ll be out in the streets aligning myself with the Holy Spirit to feed the sheep and heal the sick and dying. You can have your ‘nother what, seven years? Worship the beast, and whaddya get, saint Peter don’t ya take him cuz HE can’t go, he owes his soul, to the lake of fire!

              • Reynaldo

                We haven’t become weak, we’ve become completely morally bankrupt and despotic. Just look at TV. All the major sitcoms, even the “family” shows, are full of non-stop vulgarity and sexual innuendo. Remember the Super Bowl last year at half time? 30 minutes of watching Beyonce thrusting her half-naked genitals around at the cameras. At the Super Boal party I was at it was the only time the room got quiet and everyone was watching TV like mesmerized zombies. That’s what our country has turned into, and it’s not by accident.

            • Unreconstructed Southron

              Sure, all in FRTs (Fed. Res. Tokens) . Won’t make great toilet paper but you can use them for origami.

            • Frank

              No you cannot.

              • Leonard M. Urban

                Of course you can use them for Origami! Almost 20 years ago a young lady with whom I worked folded a dollar bill into a ring and gave it to me. It’s still sitting on my curio shelf…

          • Gregory8

            Unreconstructed S: Folks keep mentioning FEMA camps and cops and soldiers going door to door for various reasons: round-ups, gun confiscation, etc. Do really believe any of theses folks are going to show up to work if the whole country is breaking down? HELL NO-they’re going to be home protecting their own families from those who didn’t prepare. A few ‘dorm-rats’ will show but the vast majority are going to protect their own homes and say “screw the rest”.

            • Makati1

              A drone requires a young man who likes video games and comfort. There will be thousands of those available to take you down. Think about it. How many millions are out there who have zero responsibility to family? Who will jump at the opportunity to live well and be safe in a world gone mad? Millions will. How many does it take to kill a thousand rioters? One drone and one pilot. Think before you comment…

              • Gregory8

                Makati1: Wow, you’re about as sharp as a bowling ball son. Do you wake up every morning and have a giant bowl of “Dumb-Ass” for breakfast? It takes a lot more than some “gamers” to fly these drones you idiot! It takes programmers, highly skilled maintenance personnel, security forces, satellite experts, munitions experts, and all the other support personnel needed for these missions. These aren’t just some video game you moron. The military personnel that have families off base and all the civilians too will have their families to worry about first if TSHTF. They’ll all say ‘ screw the mission, my family comes first’. It’s painfully obvious you were never in the military, or you’d already know these thing. Go back to playing with your computer games little boy, adults are trying to have a conversation here.

                • Tom Bain

                  GregoryFagname8

                  Hey Stupid You Did’nt understand a word he said
                  OFF with your Head Next

              • NITROMAN

                YOU SOUND LIKE ARMAGEDDON IN THE BIBLE ………….TIMES SO TERRBLE THAT NOTHING COMPARES EVEN TO THE GREAT FLOOD WILL THIS COMPARE TOO. A TIME OF JACOBS TROUBLES.

            • Unreconstructed Southron

              That’s why they’ll be staffed with only a certain kind.

              • Makati1

                Many on here obviously don’t understand that the pilots killing Afghans or Iraqis were not anywhere near those places, but in air conditioned offices in Florida or California. The drones were out of countries friendly to Americans and were supported there, not here.

                In riot control, the drones may be out of Columbia, South America or even Haiti or Puerto Rico. They may even be flown by pilots from some other country, hired as mercenaries by the elite to ‘control’ the sheeple. No feeling or loyalty involved. Don’t count on your police and military to revolt or protect you. They too will be ‘collateral damage’ when the SHTF.

            • NITROMAN

              THE SPIRIT OF THE LAST DAYS WILL BE HURRAY FOR ME AND SCREW YOU. its in the bible

            • Tactical

              JUST SICK SOB”S. Anyone who did Standing Ovation has her blood on their hands. Shame on you. She only was a 34 years old mother with depression. Your hired killers killed her in cold blood and you are celebrating???? You are scums in the lowest forms. Mr. President what happened to your speech? How come she didn’t look like your daughter this time?

              • sixpack

                I modified a web site crawler to extract the emails and contact page URLs for every single member of congress, into one text file…guess what I’m gonna do with it over the weekend?

                One thing I really want to know, whether any of the congressmen from Oregon, as well as Rand Paul and Ted Cruz were present AND STANDING during that ovation.

                Everyone else is going to get a shitty email, giving them each my unsolicited opinion of their actions regarding the murder of the young lady. I doubt the list would get through if I posted it, or I would. (I’d hate to blow up Mac’s servers)…

                • Urban dog laughs and trolls

                  By god then a shitty email for them it is. They never get hostile emails from nuts. That will show them 6 pack. They will read said email and feel bad, lose sleep, and cry. I hope your fingers don’t catch fire while typing. The country and world depends on you. Thank god for 6 pack.

                • Mike Lemmon

                  She richly deserved it.

              • Prepping in Port Orange

                Because “Mr.” Oblamo picks and chooses……His puppetmaster tells him what to do……

              • laeagle

                I am glad I was not the only one bothered by the fact that they killed this poor unarmed mother. My sentiments exactly, Tactical.

            • Grey Dog

              She asked for it and she got it. Play stupid games don’t bitch about the prize.

              • sixpack

                “Grey Dog”…sounds like you still harbor ill-will from your near-miss with the doc at the animal shelter. Never fear, they’ll put you out of your misery eventually.

                • Grey Dog

                  unlike most of you on this board I don’t live in moms basement. Bring it

                • The Old Coach

                  Just let us know where. And be on time.

              • Tactical

                Greg Dog, I hope one day you get it without asking for it. You are a parasite SOB.

              • Urban dog laughs and trolls

                Grey dog. Don’t mess with six pack. He has a lot of time on his hands. You working folk have a disadvantage. He will smother you with comments just like his “shitty” emails to congress. Watch yo ass.

                • sixpack

                  “He” is a “She”, mud dog—but I guess you wouldn’t know that, because you can’t sniff my ass over the internet.

                • Them Guys

                  Urban dog: perhaps you should consider that some folks here have alot of time on their hands to post alot of replies here because due to an unfortunate accidnt not of Their fault or doings, has caused them to be Retired from injuries etc. Some may even be disabled at an early age and usually when a younger person is disabled from injuries they lose most prior “friends”.

                  While the still able firends keep partying and doing normal things, they usually do not keep hanging out with the disabled guy. So maybe early retired folk in that predicament use a forum to post at like This one as a form of entertainment some what, and post more replies than others too busy working etc.

                  Ironic thing is it always happens when You least expect to become injured and disabled. In fact even someone such as You may laugh less at others due to an unfortunate accidnt or injury. Because one just never knows the future eh…Happy happy Today can equal Not so happy Tommorow….Be Thankfull if you have no such ailments or troubles. That will lead to being more considerate too sometimes.

                • Grey Dog

                  Thanks for the warning Urban Dog . I love it when people talk smack. He’s like most people talk smack but cant back it up. I was at the gym today and a guy was talking everyone how strong he was . I squat 810 and said your turn . He left LOL

            • NITROMAN

              yes all 546 of them.

            • Slick One

              A motor vehicle is a weapon, and if I was a cop and she tried to run me over……Lesson learned, do not attempt to get crazy with law enforcement officers!

          • Man on the inside

            Man…. I hope FEMA camp 1984 has a cassino and some of those cool shows I saw on Royal Caribian…. oh and a day spa would be nice!!!!!

        • The Old Coach

          Yeah, it’s scare tactics and nothing but. If the debt ceiling is not raised, they DO NOT HAVE TO DEFAULT ON ANY EXISTING BONDS. Let me say that again, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DEFAULT. If there is any default, it will be an AFFIRMATIVE CHOICE by the current pack of thieves in the WH, who might do so just for spite. Well, not for spite exactly – read on….

          What they would do is a “contained” default. Because any default further destroys the middle class that they hate so much. The default will be “contained” so that it does the big bankers as little harm as possible, but nobody will get away unscathed.

          The only alternative is to do the right thing now. Cut entitlements by 30%, repeal Obamacare 100%, cut the Federal bureaucracy along the lines of the current “shutdown” – i.e. all “non-essential” Fed workers now on furlough are terminated, reduce taxes that inhibit investment in new businesses, enforce immigration laws, restore rule of law to banking industry, enforce anti-monopoly law against the big medical players, etc, etc.

          The current Government won’t do any of it, because if they do the Free Shit Army will be out in force, armed to the teeth, backed by the Vampire Squid money team, and all our worst fears will come true. The only good part is that the Blue cities and states will get the worst of it.

          Facing up to either of these horrible alternatives is more than The Weeper can stand, so eventually they’ll kick the can down the road again. Like the man with cancer who says “It’s only a lump, it will go away soon”.

          • Ancient Echoes

            What if we really are, finally, at the end of the dead end road? It is really hard to feel sorry for the Federal Employees who have been getting paid through the whole recession while so many business that pay their wages have gone under. When a business is in financial trouble it cannot just pass a CR and pay it’s employees while they are NOT working. All this is really waking up all of us as to how the whole system works: correction, doesn’t work.

            • Them Guys

              RT Tv News Just showed the SWISS folks have a brand New Money plan! RT siwss land Video showed a Dump Truck filled with almost $400,000 worth of eu Euro-Dollars.

              That Dump Truck was Backed into place in some Town square area, then every EU Gold color coin was Dumped into a huge massive Pile of Cash. While a hundred or so persons stood around and some began to Pocket the loot.

              The RT reporter says the brand new swiss goal plan is to Give Every swiss citizen a Gaurenteed Monthly Income of what equals about $3000 us dollars Per Month every Month!

              They say its time for Every swiss citizen to be assured enough monthly cash to afford a Good lifestyle with plenty of Cash to live that way.

              I wonder if any other nations plans to follow the swiss lead? Man I sure can live a great lifestyle if somebody hands me $3000 per month to spend as I see fit!

              I thought folks here may like to know this Swiss land info after we had an article posted here a couple days ago. It seems this New swiss plan has just been done yesterday perhaps. I saw in on RT tv news Late last nite, actually so Late it was really Today, Saturday I suppose.

              RT archives their tv news reports so if anybody cares to see or read this info its probobly archived at rt’s website.

              • Old Fart

                That is NOT what it said. It said that they were looking at making sure every citizen earned at least $2600 a month. EARNED ie. minimum wage. It did not say they were going to give $3000 a month to everyone. Where the hell would the money come from?? Its that kind of thinking that we have too much of here in the USA. Think government gives stuff for free. The only money the government has is the money it takes from others! Well that and the money they print and we will have to suffer for down the road.

            • The Old Coach

              The AFSCME union has had government in a death grip for years. OF COURSE they’ll get their back pay. OF COURSE the Weeper agreed to put it in writing.

              But we are either at the end of the road, or damned close to it, with no way out and Freddy Hussein Kruger bearing down on us with a full tank in his chainsaw.

          • NITROMAN

            THE BONDS ARE HELD at an interest rate, BY THE RICH WHO HAVE MONEY TO INVEST. JUST LIKE WALLSTREET. IF THE GOV’T DEFAULTS AND THEY DO NOT GET PAID……….ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE. NO ONE LIKES TO END UP WITH WORTHLESS PAPER. THATS WHAT A DEFAULT IS…….TURNING SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT HAD VALUE INTO SOMETHING WORTHLESS. nitroman

        • javelin

          yep, nailed it. It is the classic scare tactic-just like last time when that dem senator said if the “the debt ceiling isn’t raised then there will be civil unrest and rioting in the streets”………….been there, done this …ad nauseum

        • James

          As one that served America while hippies scatted during the viet nam war era. Most tea party guys now were former hippies, or mama boys. The United States has ten times the military force of the next strongest country… china. China has a one child policy. America will be energy independent soon. I predict a stronger dollar, and immigration reform. During Reagan’s term(he would be a tea party guy if he was alive today)gold and silver crashed.Cash is king right now. But more so if the tea party get’s control. Most people that post here are hypocrites.

          • James

            I will admit that I support my Commander in Chief. Mr. Limbaugh was a yellow belly chicken during the viet nam war era. Now he is fired up with his fellow “token” rich black guy…snigley brown noser.He and his rich , never served golfing buddies, are all cowards in my eye.

      • Hammerun

        Shit, OH DAMN, I guess I’m going to have to get worried now. The Treasury dept and the “Huffington Post” issued a notice of coming disaster, REALLY!
        This is just more along the lines of the present administrations fucking with the nonObama believers. Fuck them!

        • NITROMAN

          THERE IS NOTHINIG WORSE THAN RUNNING OUT OF AMMO IN A GUNFIGHT.

      • lastmanstanding

        Please offer something of substance or just stfu.

        • NITROMAN

          NEVER RUN OUT OF AMMO IN A GUNFIGHT………..that’s substance.

          • Buffalobutt

            Agreed, but you better be able to hit what you aim at…

      • possee

        I seems to me that the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 ushered in a Century of Catastrophes..

        and what a 100 year anniversary it is..!!
        with the 16th Amendment as well..
        The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration…

        bastards!

        (Thank you Woodrow Wilson)

        Thank you Lincoln for the IRS..

        it’s been down hill ever since..

        possee

        • Ugly

          You are welcome!

          and thank you for,

          The Civil War
          WW1
          WW2
          WW3 (coming soon)
          Federal Reserve
          The Great Deal (FDR)
          The Great Depression
          the UN
          Vietnam
          Expanded wars from Bush (no peacemaking at all)
          Dollar Collapse
          Welfare
          No jobs
          Illegal immigration
          Deals with China that will end the USA

          Thank you.

          • pissinwiththewind

            This scenario of the “crash of the dollar” has been in the works for decades. Anyone that has been reading and paying attention to TPTB has known this dollar collapse was inevitable in order to bring about the “order”.

            There is only one way to dismantle the middle and upper middle class in America; dismantle the dollar.
            Why? There is too much “old money” involved to systemically dismantle the masses. WTF is old money?
            Basically it is inheritance. There are a couple generations of persons that have held on to every dollar, or at least a portion of it, that they ever earned. Some invested into real estate and others into profitable business, and others into the stock market, and some just banked it all. There are trillions that are keeping the economy afloat without any help from the Feds. In fact, the Fed’s fiat dollar printing is only to help increase funds for banksters and the uber-rich.

            These folks of wealthy inheritance can only be brought down to the ranks of lower middle to poor classes by collapsing/crashing the dollar and replacing it with an exchange that gives these folks, what is equivalent to, “pennies on the dollar”.

            The collapse/crash of the almighty dollar has to happen on some level for TPTB to bring forth their plan of a NWO.

            As long as Mom and Pop, and Granny and Pa, have the assets and the dollar flows; They will sell-off and cash-in, all that is necessary to keep their immediate families flourishing, which in turn keeps the economy flowing along. Until that dollar no longer buys vehicles and land and houses for an equitable amount; the economy will continue as it has for the past 100 years, excluding the Great Depression era. When that dollar is only worth 10% (or less), of what it used to be, then; “Houston, we have a problem!”

            Some assets of precious metals will be good to hold for bartering and possibly paying taxes, but food stores and the means to produce anything for survival will be the ticket for independence.

      • lonelonmum

        I can’t stand it. tptb always tell us what is coming before they implement. It’s like it absolves them of guilt or summat. It’s just like the guy who tells a gal he batters his last girlfriend, yet his dumb new date refuses to listen and thinks she’ll be treated differently for some unknown reason.

        SET SEEDS ASIDE. “in case the grocery stores……”. Those daft packets of MRE’s are only gonna get you through the first winter ffs.

        We’ve seen what’s happened to Libya, Greece, Hungary, Detroit, yet for some reason people think they alone are gonna be immune when the SHTF for so many already. So many of those claiming welfare benefits were just a year or so ago earning good money on what they thought were stable jobs/solvent businesses.

        The possible strategy (cos at this point I hope noone is gonna pretend the descent is by anything other than design).

        1. Destroy the Western middle-class, where the last remants of the concept of freedom reside through economic means.
        2. Global War
        3. Pandemic (aka WW1 spanish flu).
        4. Reduced population of survivors so downtrodden and grateful they are content to be enslaved by the global plantation in exchange for “security”.

        Winter is the most dangerous time for preppers, as this is when the general population is least likely to revolt against whatever draconian measures their gubberment chooses to take.

        • Them Guys

          lone Mum: Where do you think the Babylon is thats spoken of in Revelation? That part that says All the rich men, merchants, ship owners, banksters etc et al shall Weep and Mourn over her demise?

          Many folks I have heard say that Vatican is Babylon. Yet in reality there are a very Limited number of places that can be modern babylon. Because to cause all those merchants and wealthy ship owners etc to Mourn and Weep over irs final destruction, it Must be a city or nation that Imports and exports a whole lots of the stuff them wealthy men sell and buy right.

          At a glance yes vatican looms Large, main building houses One man, the Pope yet it contains about 1200 bedrooms alone! But in reality the entire vatican city only occupies about 114 total acres lands.

          And when one considers besides One Pope, they probobly have 1000 others dwelling there full time at most. That can hardly be that massive Babylon city that will be destroyed and cause so many rich merchant men to weep and moan now that they Lost their Main customers.

          In all usa history NY seems to be a number one location for such merchandising imports and exports and Banksters opperations that made so many so wealthy.

          If by chance NY is that babylon city spoken of, since it seems to fit most every listed issue that describes babylon, even JayJays recent Finds of former “Hills” prior to NY city was Built.

          I have wondered if when John the revelator was shown his Vision of the entire future from 2000 yrs ago, if since his vantage point was in Heaven, which is UP, way far UP above the earth, did he perhaps see a massive properous largely inhabited “city” and since he also would see what to a Novice Could be taken for the entire lanscape of the USA may appear as, One Large city from NY across to LA Kalif?

          I only was one time in an airplane and when I peered outside the small window at america below prior to landing, thats what it looked like to me. If I did not know better, when I saw how it seemed the land etc streched on forever almost, all roads connected, farm after farm, city after city as if one huge massive city such as ancient Babylon.

          I also wonder if John simply used that name of Babylon so other readers of his prophetic writings would know based upon their knowledge of ancient babylon, that he was speaking of so large and wealthy of a city as babylon was originally. John was used to in his days citys had tall thick Walls as in walled citys for safty of dwellers within that city. If when John looked down at the Future usa that will exist some day, like Today end times, I wouldn’t be shocked if he saw it as one large City.

          Its something to think about eh when one considers the way america has so devolved into a modern day version of a combo of babylon+soddom eh.

          And unless very soon the vatican city dwellers begin to Import much more of every possible thing they can import, and maybe also do some Exporting that will require Many of those rich ship owners ships to bring stuff in and take stuff out…Well then I really doubt the vatican can posibly be that babylon spoken of in the book of Revelation. America sure appears to be High on the list as that “city” babylon today no?

          • Ugly

            Angelo Mysterio.

            I have thought as well that Revelation 18 could be none other but the USA.

            This chapter describes a very rich Nation that is now gone. The USA could fit that very easily.

            Rev 18:3 ‘For all the Nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The Kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.

            Rev 18:9 ‘When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. Terrified at her torment, they will stand off far and cry….’

            The petro-dollar has created the worlds most wealth, ever. It has also created the most financial adulteries. It is burning and starting to come down. Many rich will weep.

            Yes, Rev 18 could be America?

            • pissinwiththewind

              @ Ugly and Angelo,

              Babylon means “confusion”. The deeper meaning from the Bible means “confusion brought about by evil”.

              Therefore; other than the very ancient city of Babylon, the references to Babylon can mean a variety of peoples, nations or groups. They all have one thing in common, they are “worldly” followers and operate on Satan’s formula of greed and pride. Those two deadly sins, when coupled with confusion and deception, makes up the requirements for Babylon.

              No “one”, nation or country has the market cornered on deserving the title of Babylon.

              If Communisim and atheism were the markers for such, you could say N Korea, China, or even Russia would be considered Babylon.

              i think modern day Babylon is a generic biblical term and many people fit into it.

              Having said that, i also believe the worst of the worst are those that “claim” to be Godly, but use Christianity,Judaism, or any worship of a higher power, to steal from people, that is the epitome of deception and evil.

      • TheGuy

        They say this same exact shit every single time.

        At this point I no longer am buying it.

      • tayronachan

        @ Southron, “NOW they tell us.” LOL!

    2. eppe

      I wish I could run my household finances like this…

      • Outlaw

        Funny/scary thing is, many Americans already do!

        • lena

          2nd that.

          the average household has less than $3000 saved for retirement. i just dont see so many people cannot plan to put some money aside so they dont have to eat dog food when theyre 65. i put away over $3000 in retirement every month !

          but its the people like that dont plan that elected a govt that doesnt plan ahead and now the whole country is in an horrific mess.

          • Whoopdy Do

            How are you going to feel when the dollar tanks and all that money you socked away won’t buy you that can of dog food?

            • two2wisper

              Whoopdy do , I agree with you. But if I had three grand to save a month I think I would be changing the dollars into some hard assets. Like brass and lead,gold and silver.

              • Ryback

                The best investment you can make is in copper jacketed lead and brass. And no matter how valuable it becomes never sell it because you will be using it. When the brass hits the grass there are no more excuses.

                • lastmanstanding

                  Amen…the only lead that leaves my possession will be thru the barrel of one of my firearms.

                  I’m not leaving until it is over.

              • Mark

                And farm land. Eighty gillion Chinese can’t be wrong…

                • KY Mom

                  Why you’ll soon be paying rent to the Chinese

                  Foreigners continue to buy up more & more U.S. assets.

                  World Net Daily

                • The Old Coach

                  Ky Mom, actually the Chinese are getting out of US Treasuries as fast as they can without scaring the markets. They’re buying up gold, and working overtime to establish transport routes for mideast, central asian, and african natural resources. As a race, the Chinese are second to none for intelligence. Ethics, not so much, but stupid they ain’t.

                • KY Mom

                  The Old Coach,

                  The Chinese may be getting out of treasuries.

                  But, they are buying up farmland, mines and other properties in the U.S.

                • The Old Coach

                  Good point, KY Mom, I missed that part. In Idaho where I have friends, they’re trying to create a “free trade zone” near Boise, covering, as I understand it, square miles.

              • PenCRNA

                Damn straight whisper.

            • James

              As a two term viet nam era Veteran,America has ten times the military force of the next strongest country…china. We will also be energy independent soon. I predict a stronger dollar compared to other currencies. I do hold CEF, 10%,
              in my ira account as in insurance though. America is the best place to live.

              • James

                Why buy the bullion coins of gold and silver, when CEF is 60/40 gold silver ratio and this closed end mutual fund is trading now at a 5 percent discount of the true value of it’s gold and silver holdings. The miners are mostly unprofitable at these low prices.

              • The Old Coach

                Do they really hold the PMs they say they do? Or are they leveraged 100:1 like so many other so-called hedge funds? I’m no gold bug, far from it, but I won’t trust any paper asset. Either it’s in my hand so I can assay it, or forget it.

            • YH

              Whoopdy Do,

              As the Man With No Name said, “Bravo”.

          • KP89DC

            @lena:

            If you can put away $3,000 a month for retirement then you are truly fortunate. Most people don’t even clear that much much less make that much on a monthly basis.

            And you shouldn’t generalize, all of our savings were wiped out between a serious health issue my DW has and me losing my job which I had worked for the same company for over 10 yrs and was doing quite well a few years ago when things started getting really rough. We weren’t “over extended” and had no debt but got wiped out rather quickly anyway.

            Just had to vent…

            Molon Labe

            • Outlaw

              “If you can put away $3,000 a month for retirement then you are truly fortunate. Most people don’t even clear that much much less make that much on a monthly basis.”

              +1000 green thumbs

          • ann b

            Lets see how much your savings are really worth when the shtf or when the banks take your little nest egg(unless you have already invested wisely) You will be in the same boat as the 99%..of which you are one but you seem to think you are superior because of your wealth! Big mistake!

            • lena

              you guys have to change your value system. 2008 hit me just as hard as anyone and then i changed everything. i’m not making anywhere near 6 figures but i can still put away $3000 monthly now because i have changed my lifestyle so that i’m living monthly on a 3rd of that now. you guys hsould read early retirment extreme.

              as for the govt taking or inflating my savings for me, you can believe after 2008; i watch my savings daily and the only way the govt is taking it is by showing up with larger guns than i can defend and if they do that, there was nothing i could do anyways and all gold, silver and food stores would be taken and there couldnt be thing one i can do about it.

              • DollarstoDonuts

                Bookmarked to read, thanks. I’ve been trying to talk hubby down from spending like he’s rich, he says I’m just a tight-wad. Well, as of Thanksgiving he will not be employed, forced VERP. lol, supposedly voluntary but the more than 1250 people in his firm who got letters know, you snooze you lose. He thinks his 401k and pension will float us fine. Right. I applaud you for what you’ve been able to do!

              • The Old Coach

                Like the man said, for most working stiffs, $3000 a month is more than their gross pay. If you’re making $100K a year maybe, but if you’re at $50K and have even one kid, you are lucky to have $30 left at the end of the month.

                • lena

                  i’m telling you if you go extreme enough, you can do it; i dont make anywhere near 100K a yr and i do it. my only debt is my mortgage, i dont spend any money during the workweek and i used to buy gas weekly, now i conserve trips well enough that its every 2 weeks.

                  also read your money or your life.

              • YH

                @Lena,

                You need to research the Cypriots who had over half of their private savings stolen by their government recently. After that, research the Argentinians who got wiped out in 2000 during their “Bank Holiday”.

                You do realize that the very concepts of monetary inflation and price inflation represents the worse kind of invisible taxation without representation that steals money from current and future generations slowly?

                And let’s not forget the Obamacare Tax that the IRS can take directly from your bank account without your permission.

                It’s good that you’re saving money for retirement, but if the government gets desperate enough we may very well see the top marginal federal income tax rates rise to over 90%, as Americans saw back in the mid-1950’s. And that was just the federal government’s tax bite!

                Remember, Americans have figured out how to vote themselves other people’s money. This ugly Genie is out of the bottle and there’s no way of getting it back in!

                What’s theirs, is theirs; What’s yours, may not be yours for long.

                • lena

                  i know all about that story.

                  did you also know that within the past month poland confiscated private pensions with the state pension system ?

                  believe me, i am watching and the US is not close to pullin a cyprus or gold wouldnt be down to $1300. PMs will start shooting long before that happens and my house will be full of PMs then.

                • YH

                  Lena,

                  I read about the retirement heist in Poland. Don’t confuse physical gold with paper gold. $1300/oz represents paper gold that is fraudulently traded in multiples of 100 to 1 of the underlying physical metal. If we eliminate the paper commodity fraudulently traded as gold, then we’d see just how much physical gold is really worth!

                  >>”believe me, i am watching and the US is not close to pullin a cyprus or gold wouldnt be down to $1300. PMs will start shooting long before that happens and my house will be full of PMs then.”<<

                  Don't be so sure of that Lena. There is zero correlation today between the equity markets, economy, and politics. Not with trillions of dollars of reserve capital sitting in the dealer bank books. We will not see the other shoe drop until it hits the floor and then we'll all be a lot smarter.

                  Remember, Nixon may have relaxed Executive Order 6102 signed by Roosevelt in 1933 that led to gold confiscations, but that E.O. has never been officially rescinded. To my knowledge it is still very much in effect today. Whether the government will malevolently act on it in the future remains to be seen. It all depends how long it takes for the U.S. to descend into a full blown Banana Republic Third World nation.

                • PenCRNA

                  Lena….back in April when more physical gold bullion had been sold in The previous month, the FED/SEC approached major fund managers and instructed them to push investors to sell paper gold assets. The fear was a run on the metal, and if the big time investors called In their baskets of Gold, there would not be enough physical gold to back the paper, driving prices sky high very rapidly. Someone I know very well has a relative on the street, and this is straight up. Also, if you have been involved with PMs at all over the last few years, you would know that in the last 9 months, physical price has diverged from spot prices. Just go to a coin show or dealer and see what the premiums are on bullion other than junk silver. It used to be $1.50-2.00 for one ounce silver bullion. Folks don’t blink at $6.00 & up now.

              • PO'd Patriot

                Lena, at some point in time (watch very closely) if you don’t have some of those frn’s converted to PMs, they’ll only be good for fire starters.

            • Smokey

              We are all the 1%, knock off the class warfare act. Most of the world’s population exists without clean water, available fuel, adequate housing, building codes, or more than $600 a year income.

              The poorest American is as rich as Croesus in comparison to the Third World.

              • Makati1

                Thank you for putting things into perspective. Billions would change places with the poorest American in a heartbeat. But we have become a spoiled nation and deserve our destruction. The 3rd world will cheer when it happens. Then more will be available to them. We are less then %5 of the world population but use 33% of it’s resources.

                • Sigi

                  Actually, there is a lot that we process and send out into the world and we buy what they make as well. They may cheer, but it won’t last long before they cover their mouths and say, “What now?” The pleasures of schadenfreude last only for a season.

                • Them Guys

                  If they could switch places with americans, within 10 yrs they would make so many babies they cannot feed, america would then be the same as the 3rd world crap hole they left behind. Just look at the current crop 3rd world types scattered all over Kalif.

                  Same as africans, they all take over whats nice and good, then turn it into 3rd world crap. It is Not the location that causes such 3rd world misery. More like the DNA within all those other folks regardless if it is africa, mexico, mid east, india etc. Its the DNA not location.

                  Otherwise you never would see any “detroits” existing. Yet Every place They go, turns into a detroit or worse.

                  yeah I know stateing obvious facts makes me a vile racist. So be it I am fine with that.

                  Just do a pretend self-test…Pretend You were a teacher, teaching some class of youths, the best possible way to behave etc in order to be succesfull.

                  Would you #1 teach the class to Study africans or mexicans and Copy all they learn?

                  Or #2 would you taech the class to study White folks and copy that group? If an Honest person you will answer #2. Because thats facts and truth. Who Built places like Detroit before savage africans overran it, then slowely destroyed it? It never looked like todays ghettos prior to their invasions. One more area that again Proves its not locations that causes such destruction and Poverty, rather it Is DNA.

                  Maybe if theres a next time, and some fool gets a lib agenda type idea to import millions of savages into white nations, they can first Civilize the savages, and perhaps they can prove MY “Its the Dna stupid” theory wrong.

                  Good Luck!

                • pissinwiththewind

                  Had to give you a green thumb on that A.M./Them Guys.

          • Facebook Page

            That only 36 a year that isn’t that much many I know from 10 year before they started to think of retiring just started putting 50% of all pay into a retirement something. They still had to work an extra 15 years to be where they want to be in retirement income. Even 15k a month ain’t much.

            If you didn’t start in your 20 just plan on working or living on a very small income.

            • Outlaw

              FBP, just stfu! Very few can put $15k a month away towards retirement. Again you are being foolish. You are just a blowhard, and probably some loser in momma’s basement.

              • Outlaw

                FBP, I have a few things to enlighten you on.

                Those of us whom are self-sufficient or working towards that goal will not need a high income to survive. A very small income will be quite sufficient.

                With what is heading down our pipes, it is doubtful that a high income is going to be worth shit, when no one will trade you a can of beans for an ounce of gold. This has been clarified by the previous commenter’s, suggesting to lena to start investing her money in something other than “savings”.

                If you truly have enough income to set back $15k a month, then you would be intelligent enough to know that you are a very rare breed, and suggesting others to do the same would be asinine.

                If you didn’t have enough income to set back $15k a month and wanted to look like an internet hot-shot, then you WOULD suggest to others that to set back $15k a month “aint much.”

                Your grammar is absolutely horrible, and half of your postings are unintelligible, leading me to believe that you are no where near who you say you are.

                You are weak and have no self-worth, so you have to have a fake persona on the internet, and try to belittle others whom are working to better themselves.

                Anytime anyone suggests a solution, you tell them “lead the way”. This in itself implies that you are weak and need a leader, because you are just too cowardly yourself to make your own path.

                I could go on, but that is all for now.

                • Facebook Page

                  How does my grammer and abilty to use a small little phone to show my level of success in this world.

                  I think you are some one who just didn’t make it and is now chossing to bitch about it to much.. Oh its the Jews fault Forgot.

                  And you are right I never wasted time in school. I just did it.

                • Rich

                  Here here Outlaw well said! Just hangin here in south west PA, and trying to figure out facebook/zuckerburghs angle. Hope all the real preppers are keepin on!

                • Outlaw

                  I would suggest that your inability to use such a common technology of a “small little phone” and your inability to construct simple intelligible sentences would indicate a lot about your intelligence and success.
                  I never mentioned anything about you “wasted time in school” so I would also suggest that your inability to read also indicates your intelligence and success level.
                  I would also suggest the fact you are accessing SHTFPlan on a “small little phone” instead of a large flat screen monitor connected to a computer may indicate your financial success.

                • The Old Coach

                  FBP could easily be that illiterate and still put away $15,000 a month if he’s dealing drugs in some inner city.

                  Just sayin’

              • Facebook Page

                It does show that if your incomes are that not of at least 6 figures that does show what shape everyone is in. What are we then trying to save then.

                If no one is able TO take care of themselves why try.

                Or is SHIF commenter all the people just above the SNAPER and just below the producers.

                • Facebook Page

                  Did I hit a nerve.

                • The Old Coach

                  Maybe one day you are going to hit a buried 15kv electric cable. Do crispy Facebook Pages taste good with ketchup?

            • Rich

              Facebook!
              Ask jack lew, jamie dimon, lloyd blankfien, ben shalom bernanke, timmie the tit geithner, hank the tank paulson, or zuckerbergh/facebook, who took the average American’s money?…I’ll bet a mercuty dime that they wouldn’t say it was the Amish:-) Loaning money at interest….hmmm who could possibly conjure up such a madoff ponzi?…I’ll bet it’s the samoans:-)

              • Facebook Page

                I agree interest and leaning of money should not be allowed. ”

                If you can afford it you don’t get it. Period.

              • Tactical

                Amen Rich. Another Awake American who detected the cancer.

                • Them Guys

                  Rich: are all those names you named that elusive bunch of “Moooooslims” that a poster close to the Top of replies says are going to take over america after hobammy destroys the economy?

                  If Thats Moooslims named? Then I need scrap two decades research on all the zionists jewish folks that have taken over america the past 100 yrs.

                  Who would ever guess a name like Finestien or Bloomberg was actually “code” for muslims?

                  This Must also mean that 1918 russian revolt was really Muslims who killed a couple hundred million folks when overtaking russia eh. IE: Trotsky=moooslim right?

                  So then it must be that with a name such as Mohhamed al aquaba ak baka akak abba akba, Thats really them sneeky jews right?

                  Whats next? New dna info will Prove the reason they are called “Mooooslims” are because they evolved from early Eskimos screwing alaskan Moose’s? hence the name Moooslim?

            • M.O.M.

              @fbp fagboypuss you’re like that glob of dog doo doo i step occasionally in walking on the park path by my house .

              —–

              if you continue to daily stalk harass annoy @Ms. Daisy i will deal with you personally face to face in a manner you will never forget .

              * it’s good to have friends in law enforcement .

              keep it up @fbp fagboypuss and i’ll make sure i swing by olympia , wa , the new v.a. clinic i’m sure you are now a patient of and pay you a visit next i visit Ms. Daisy .

              i’ll be looking for you at the next gun show .

              see you soon @fagboypuss ((+))

              N.O. ;0P

              • Facebook Page

                Since the Lewis County SHerriff would never associate with someone like you

                The Law enforcement threat carries no threat.

                And all the 3 letter ones remember are looking at you not me.

                And yes would love to have a face to face with you at the show there. Tables in the rear.

                And I will be sure that my health is in between us also.

                And if you remember you were the dipshit with Burt that said to put my money where my mouth was and supply her with self defence equipment when she made it to her new home.

                • Facebook Page

                  Heath Not an issue when we are together.

                • Facebook Page

                  Except the ATF They are worried about a rusty 45-70 in your hands .

                • Facebook Page

                  Are not

          • Alex

            Saving is not an option, the purchasing power of the dollar is going to be crashed also. There is no way out of this situation and the best option is to leave the country.

            • James

              I am new on this webb. I agree with some of you, but leaving the U.S.A., is the coward way out.

              • InsanityISContagious

                James: It depends on what you have to lose. My spouse’s grandmother got shipped to America as a young teenager to save her from Hitler. Her father died during the war/her mother survived it. BUT the war terrified my spouse’s grandmother so thoroughly that she wouldn’t go back to Europe even to claim a large inheritance.

                If you have kids, I wouldn’t blame anybody for taking them to a safe haven. The spouse and I are old enough to know that what is coming will be our last stand…but stand we will~~

                • The Old Coach

                  Die on your feet, or live on your knees. Choice of one.

          • Outlaw

            While many have stated the obvious, that it is probably not a good idea to save cash, lena is in a very fortunate position to have so much surplus. Instead of bashing him/her, how about gently guiding him/her towards what he/she should be doing with that surplus cash?

            • laeagle

              @Outlaw; This is one of your best postings. It speaks of community and unity. There are many who post on this site, perhaps they are trolls, who seek to divide and assert themselves saying, it is “my way, or the highway”. We all need encouragement, the prospects for the future and the prognostications for the future are scary enough. Hope springs eternal! Let’s try to reach out to each other, rich, poor, educated, uneducated, what does it really matter? You bleed the same way I bleed and your s#*t stinks the same as mine. Your experience and insight is valuable to me and may someday save my life. Thank you.

              @Lena: We say, “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.” You are fortunate to be one of those who can put away so much each month but no one’s future is completely secure. Go ahead, “Make hay while the sun shines”. The night is coming. You are to be greatly commended in doing what you are doing. Remember though, that when the time comes that you start withdrawing from your retirement accounts, the government will tax you.

              When I was young and travelling the world, a dear friend who helped build many of the sky-scrapers in Singapore told me, “Always save at least 10% of your earnings. Keep it in a safe place and let it accrue. If you only make 10 dollars, save 1 dollar. Make it a habit.” I have tried to live by that tenet. I am still not where I can say that I am comfortable regarding retirement but I am comforted that there is something to fall back on when hard times hit. I also am a big believer in prepping and yes, get ready for the Zombies, for surely they will come. It is just a matter of time. Invest in things that will last and be prepared to rotate those essentials that do not last for more than a year or less. Start networking with others and teach others about the wisdom of saving and prepping. Don’t forget that it is important to learn new skills, the survival skills of the old-timers and the survival skills of the young ones, the millennials. You are to be commended. What is in your mind may be more important than what you have. No one can take away your education or your experience. Always, take time to smell the flowers, appreciate beauty and relish life to its full!

          • jerrytbg

            Like Whoopdy indicates…I sure hope you put that in tangible assets…water purification, food, protection,non gmo seeds,warm clothing, multipurpose tools etc etc…

            you can’t store enough frn’s to keep you warm or even boil water…

          • Obtuseangler

            Why give the guy/gal grief about saving $3K a month? Probabaly works his rear off to do so. I did that too for a while so I could afford to move my family out of the city. Rode a bicycle to work, among other things, to be able to do it. People in expensive vehicles passed me on the road, but my guess is those people are still on their treadmills complaining about the rat race.

            Off topic but I really wanted to thank the people on this site. We are experiencing a blizzard right now. Power is out. Thank goodness for cell phones or I couldn’t post this. I am hardly super prepper. However, I had the five gallon gas cans on hand to fill early this morning. There was a generator in the garage ready to go. Power crews are being recalled until tomorrow because conditions are too bad for them to be out. My wife should be flipping out but she isn’t. She knows we have all of our bases covered. We are enjoying the quiet in the house, except for when we hear a tree limb break outside. If not for this site I know we wouldn’t be prepared for something like this.

            We will take turns monitoring the generator through the night.

            Notes to self; keep a better eye on the batteries drawer. We have no D cells. Also, electric garage doors don’t respond when there is no power. Do not store a rototiller in front of the back entrance.

            Thanks, all.

            • Rich

              Hey good luck obtuse. The first big snow storms are really great and invigorating. Then the reality of winter kinda socks you in the gut. And good Lord all the black snow/ice of February really becomes a pain:-) Good luck to you and yours, and pick up the entire foxfire series of books….not knowing your level of preparedness, cause there are lot’s of nifty gems to be mined from foxfire collection!

            • DollarstoDonuts

              Stay safe and warm! Your post is the perfect example of the necessity of prepping. BTDT, and a show stopping snow storm in Arkansas really IS a SHTF situation.

            • Piper Michael

              Why would you keep the genny running all night?

              The fridge will keep until morning… trust me..

              • Obtuseangler

                Michael, about 4:30am. Didn’t keep the generator running all night as the temp in the house didn’t merit it. My concern was frozen pipes, and there was no risk of that. Have it running now, mainly for the coffee pot. Gotta find one of those old style perculators at garage sales this next spring.

                Don’t have to worry about anyone stealing the generator, as the roads are absolutely impassable. The trees still had their leaves, and the snow has been wet and heavy. Major tree damage, and that is what seems to be taking down power lines.

                I heard there were tornadoes south of here in Nebraska last night. Trying to get news from the radio now. I can power up the TV, but the satellite dish is buried in snow so there is no signal. We are safe and warm, and I have my coffee, so life is good.

            • laeagle

              Hey, thank you for the update and the insight. It is very valuable and encouraging. Good luck. I lived up north once, but, much prefer the weather down here, even with the hurricanes and storm watches, and flooding. Karen is on our doorstep now and we thought we had escaped the season. Good luck, Obtuse.

          • Kulafarmer

            Shit happens,
            Just the way it goes.

          • REB

            Im glad for you, but many don’t make that much total in three months so its not so easy easy to sock it away…nice idea…good idea…just not practical for many… 🙁

            • laeagle

              Hey Reb, ultimately, it is not so much “how much” but that you are putting a certain minimal percentage away for that rainy day. People who put away a lot of money are also the ones who spend a lot and a lot is being taken away from them. Unfortunately, most of those who make a lot don’t know how to “make do”. There are so many things that we have come to think we absolutely must have but in reality we really do not need. Good luck in your preps and plans.

          • Son of Liberty

            Multitudes of us wish we HAD $3000 every month. You sound like a very arrogant, and selfish person at best.

        • eppe

          Since we are looking at war of some sort…

          THE ROBIN WILLIAMS PEACE PLAN

          This may very well be the best thought out item we have read since 9/11/01.
          Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan … what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.
          I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here’s one plan.

          1. The US will apologize to the world for our “interference” in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosovich and the rest of those ‘good ole boys, ‘We will never “interfere” again.

          2. We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don’t want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence.

          3. All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We’ll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them.

          4. All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don’t like it there, change it yourself and don’t hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don’t need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

          5. No “students” over age 21. The older ! ones are the bombers. If they don’t attend classes, they get a “D” (for “deport”) and it’s back home baby.

          6. The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing non-polluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

          7. Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don’t like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

          8. If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not “interfere.” They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, ! rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

          9. Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don’t need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

          10. All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us “Ugly Americans” any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH…..learn it…or LEAVE…
          Now, ain’t that a winner of a plan.

          “The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying “Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.” She’s got a baseball bat and she’s yelling, “You want a piece of me?”

          I know some have seen this before, but he does have a point….

          • islander

            solid plan , I say we go with it

            • Pissed Off Granny

              Yental:

              We both know that “their god” doesn’t ever want peace.

              • Tactical

                POG, They actually they do want peace but only after they kill unarmed Palestinian children and destroy the economies for 99% of the world.

                • Rich

                  Yes Sir Tactical!
                  “The learned elders of zion” “protocals”
                  Pretty much a game plan! If enough facebooks wake up we may have a chance to derail such plans, but I really don’t count on it. So were left much like the poor elderly person committed to assisted living that sits in their chair murmuring about things no one cares about. I suppose in a sense we have become “obsolete” or so it often seems! But no matter I’ll sing it from the top of the tree’s so all may hear:-)

              • yental

                This is a revealing and damning indictment of Zionism. ME pointing this fact out is more “offensive”, for MANY, than the content and related facts that CONDEMN the ZIONIST AGENDA.

                That FACT says everything necessary related to this issue.

          • durango kidd

            I never saw it. Glad you posted it. 🙂

        • Ancient Echoes

          What is good for the goose is good for the gander!

      • Barn Cat

        I wish I could borrow money, give everyone IOU’s, and they would use those IOU’s as MONEY when they buy and sell to each other! What an awesome scam that would be.

      • Facebook Page

        Many do.

    3. Smiddywesson

      Took more than a generation to creat this mess, I’m a little annoyed with the breathless predictions it will take a generation or more to fix it. Duh,ya think?

    4. Outlaw

      I just hope I make it to the other side. This slow boil is killing me. Although there are always more preps to be made, at this point I am exhausting them as fast as I can replace them. With the economy in decline, I don’t think there is much more I can do until “crunch time” hits. Everything will change then.

      • Outlaw

        Just want to put some feelers out there…
        I would like to start a weekday talk show / commentary / podcast sort of deal similar to what Henry Shivley is doing. Of course with a complementary website to go along with it.
        Is there anyone here who would be interested in collaborating on a project like this? I don’t think we would get rich by any means, more like a hobby.
        Also thoughts on this are welcome?
        Thanks and if anyone is serious, maybe we could get in touch.

        • Sgt. Dale

          Outlaw.
          I did a show on the Prepare broadcasting, (Common Scene Preparer) for about three months, Had to give it up because they changed my schedule at my P.D. The other problem was you were only given a hour to do the show and you couldn’t get everything in and talk to folks that were calling in.
          I would like to help. What can I do? I was only doing this as a hobby.

        • Outlaw

          I set up a burner email
          [email protected]
          Give me a shout Sgt. and anyone else who may be interested in this or just chatting off of the board here.

          • HisArmsWide

            I wouldn’t consider gmail a ‘burner’. Google most certainly records the IP you’re connecting from. Probably forever. They can easily do a geo look up of that IP and get your general local. Thanks to their wifi sniffing camera cars they probably have a general idea of what neighborhoods or even houses depending on how insecure things are certain IP ranges are associated with.

            Pick a smaller email provider, one that doesn’t have the resources to track you forever due to storage costs. Then only use the TOR Browser to access it. Never connect through your phone, or from a browser that’s not put through the The Onion Router network.

            As it turns out the NSA still hasn’t broken TOR in a reliable consistent fashion. For now.

            I’d also strongly advise using a 4096 bit encryption on your emails and just publish your public key somewhere that people can get to it so they can send you emails.

            Just my .02 from doing this kind of thing for the last 23 years.

            • Outlaw

              Good points HisArmsWide! I guess I am no longer proficient in tech lingo. I heard someone on here mention a burner email, and thought I’d be cool and repeat it. I thought it meant, a temp email address you just set up to get email when you are posting on a public board. I see gmail is not temp and I stand corrected. I am no longer extremely tech savvy and that is only a part of the help that I hope to collaborate with. I would like to build a team of few people minimum to make it happen. Lessen the burden on each and have some fun together maybe. If you are in any way interested, and there is a better way for us to communicate, please let me know how, I would much appreciate it! 🙂

              • Outlaw

                Oh yeah, I wanted to add, that I respect everyone’s privacy here. On the other hand, I no longer feel as if I have any privacy. I have no facebook or twitter, but I feel we are long past needing to hide or remain anonymous. It is time to stand up and be counted. Therefore I do not worry about using gmail, ustream, etc. against them. Is it risky? probably. We are so far backed into a corner that I dont know what else to do except to reach out.

                • Ugly

                  Outlaw.

                  I quit using filters, firewall, anti-spy, etc, a few years ago.

                  My computer(s) runs great, actually better.

                  I have never had a virus since. And, because the gov owns all this stuff, trust me they have all the stuff.

                  so who cares.

                  If you are free, you have to live free as well.

                • Them Guys

                  Outlaw: All of you who seek and speak the Truth, they are going to call you a racist nazi antisemite no matter What. So, you may as well go All Out! incogman 2000

    5. apache54

      sad to say but what needs to happen is let it fail and start over ! clean house of al the corrupt scumbags and with most of the debt erased we can begin again and this time maybe we can keep the scum out of office !! this will be the most painless and ONLY way to clean up our government!

      • Outlaw

        I agree, its just taking soooo damn long to fail…

        • Iowa

          Good. The ones just waking up need more time. As torturous as it seems, being awake and just waking are two different time zones.

          Good Luck Newbies, and God Bless!

      • Anonymous

        Need term limits for all thos Congress critters.

        • Iowa

          We don’t need term limits, just start using rope for Treason and everything will work itself out. 🙂

          • Tactical

            Well said Iowa.

        • jerrytbg

          after the reboot…no chance of it being viable now…

      • braveheart

        Apache54, you’re right on target. The debt can never realistically be repaid anyway. Clean house and start all over from scratch is the only hope I see for this nation.

    6. Azam

      Just borrowing more money that can never be paid back. They creditors will catch up to them eventually. Look at history. Every great empire collapses, it looks like its our time next because of the poor management of our country over many years. It looks like everything is finally coming to a head.

      • hammerhead

        not so fast……..
        TPTB know that the US is exceptional because of our brilliant constitution and bill of rights .
        A financial collapse cant take that away , unless WE let that happen .
        The UN is already drafting ‘amendments” that they want to see to our constitution and john kerry has already signed one , we need to make sure that these are never ratified by the house.
        Let the economy collapse , as long as the constitution remaains law of the land all these asshat wanna be dictators can do is bully us and hope for submission.
        As far as i am concerned , submission is not an option .

    7. Ugly

      I feel much better since the day I decided to give up on hope.

      • Facebook Page

        And many are joining you.. those will be the one that will hopefully just sit down and die and not join the horde.

        • Ugly

          Facebook Page.

          Never underestimate the situation.

          You could be chasing someone Rambo style and then trip on a log and bean your head on a rock; and then perish right there. You never know. Just think. All that training, all that prepping, all those pushups and it was a log and a rock that got you.

          You need to realize anything can happen.

          Just because I gave up on hope does not mean that I am not preparing. If you have some hope, then let me hear it.

          Thanks. Good luck on the future.

      • BigB

        Giving up on hope is certainly a lot more stress free way of life. I have long been of the opinion that everything that can go wrong will go wrong. I live by it. That way when things do work out I can be happy – happy! But when they do go wrong I can always say “I told you so”.

        BigB

        • Ugly

          BigB.

          You don’t have to say ‘I told you so’ because I already know. The USA has zero chance of recovery. Therefore I have given up hope on Americans changing this system. Therefore, I am just going prepare for it.

          Talk to any American about the debt and see what answer you get.

          Let me explain it with math:

          In reality, there are 80 million primary Americans that pay about 90% of all the taxes in the USA. Lets’ say the ACA costs each of the 80 million about $3,000 per month. This collection comes to $2.8T. Cant pay! Then there is $2.8T in home values.

          They are printing phony money at over $1T per year.

          The reason why there is no paper bills after 2009 is because the currency is crashing. We are witnessing the death of paper and the beginning of all transaction in electronic form.

          Nothing is getting fixed. A few of us know that.

          Now that I have give up hope, I feel much better. I feel great! I jog 5 days a week. I even bought my first shortwave radio. I’m getting ready.

          Good luck with everything. Wish you well.

          • BigB

            Rest well Ugly God Bless.

            BigB

      • Sigi

        Steve Taylor fan? “Since I Gave Up Hope I feel a Lot Better” from his album “I Predict 1990”

        • Ugly

          Steve Taylor?

          Did you mean Steve Tyler?

    8. Tactical

      Bring it on and get it going please. We have waited for the moment of the truth for long time while the criminals stole everything and left us with pain and misery.

    9. InfantryAlways

      If you’re not prepping by this point there’s something wrong. It’s impossible to convince some people but get as many of your friends, family, neighbors as possible. It’s coming now, no matter what they do. Just a matter of time.

      • sixpack

        My neighbor still thinks my house is gonna be her shopping mall—boy, is she in for a rude awakening! Unfortunately, I couldn’t hide my cat supplies, because I ran out of room. Almost every available inch of space is filled with preps, and then some.

        • waterislife

          I have met people that say that about folks they know just barely that prep. It’s sad, really sad.

        • gone under

          Does your cat have a stash of mice and catnip hidden away?

          • sixpack

            He has a couple of pounds of catnip, some toys, 170 pounds of dry food, 10 cases of canned and 400 pounds of kitty litter. Then 2 yrs+ worth of flea drops, ear mite medicine and vitamins. I’ve provided enough extra water rations, just for him, for about a year.

            I can eat berries, dandelions, pine nuts and even worms if I had to, but he’s rather limited to what he can eat. There are so many wild cats around here, I figure there won’t be a lot of mice and bugs left.

            My little buddy is a member of my family, and I prepped for him as such, complete with a new carrier and leash in case we have to leave in a hurry.

            • old geezer

              I like cats too although I think they taste a lot like chicken

              • sixpack

                Maybe so, but I never crap in my own backyard and I never turn on family…no matter what.

        • IL woman

          Have her work for you for food. Start her digging a hole in the back yard for whatever needs buried.

    10. old guy

      Nothing that we didn’t already know. I expected it would implode long before now. It seen that they can keep propping up the economy and delaying it collapse . I suppose the longer the delay the bigger the crash. Im out of debt. Yet I see folks building like crazy. I seen new houses being built in subdivisions that have vacant homes in them? Up the road a ways Two different farmers are constructing chicken growing houses. Those houses cost a $100,000 each to build. The are each building 4 houses? WalMart was packed full of folks filling carts yesterday. The number of cars on the road is the same. I have noticed a decrease in freight trucks. For all appearances its business as usual here?

      • JoeRepublic

        The WalMart part is due to it being early in the month and the EBT cards were just refilled. Visit a Walmart on the last few days of the month and they are usually pretty empty. I’m not just talking out my ass on this, nope. My wife and I tested our theory for 3 months in a row. We would go to the local WalMart at 11:30pm on the last day of the month. What we saw was funny and disgusting at the same time.

        People were coming into the store just before midnight, loading up their carts and then go park somewhere in the store. Just after midnight, they would all check their balance on their phones. I’m guessing their is a web site to do that at, why not, right? Anyway, by usually 10 minutes after midnight on the first day of the month, every register line would be pretty well mobbed up. Your tax dollars hard at work. Lovely, isn’t it?

        As for the rest, yeah, people are building on debt. Suckers they are smoking too much of the Hopium.

        • Outlaw

          Seein the same thing here old guy, it bewilders me. As for the Wal-Mart thing, I think Joe Republic nailed that one.

          • old guy

            I know one of the guys that is building $400,000 worth of chicken houses. I told him im not in debt. He stated that as long as he made his payments he didn’t consider himself in debt. When I laughed and stated what if something happens and you don’t make the payments. He stated he started out with nothing so he had nothing to lose. I suppose it takes a certain type of tunnel vision mentality to cope with astounding debt. He also stated he never worrys about how much he owes. He just worrys about borrowing more? He stated if your smart you will borrow all you can and let inflation make you a millionaire?

            • Dr colt

              I bet a lot of joe six packs feel the same way after loosing alot in the recession
              Little to loose now but their temper
              Peace

            • hammerhead

              I here that mentality from farmers around here all the time .
              Go big or get out .
              I dont see the logic in it either , but hey, it is still the home of the brave ( to be in debt).

              • eagle eye

                Lots of dairy farmers down here in Tasmania tried that, with plenty of encouragement from a certain Dutch agricultural bank. One wet winter was all it took, and 4 years later everyone is touting dairy as the next big thing because a new milk powder plant has been built and a cheese factory has been rebuilt bigger and better. Both with overseas money to supply overseas markets.

                I have close friends who drank the cool-aid and are now 60 something debt slaves who have to get clearance from the bank to repair farm implements. Their farm is on the market and has been for 3 years, with no buyers in sight.
                I am picking there are buyers out there waiting for the market to bottom out, and that event is going to happen when the US economy defaults.

                It is a paradigm whose time has been and now gone. Official interest rates here are down to 2.25%, mortgage rates are the lowest in sixty years, and the builders are still not hiring. That tells you that people can see too much risk in the economy.

                • hammerhead

                  yup , i am a builder and a farmer, double jeopardy LOL!
                  This is the global economy everybody wanted.
                  well here the f##k it is .
                  Family farms will have to rise again or all hope is lost.
                  It sounds bad , but i believe it is true.
                  best of luck to you .

              • clark

                hammerhead wrote, “I here that mentality from farmers around here all the time. Go big or get out.”

                I wonder if that’s what they said in the 1980’s during the ‘Farm Crisis” too?

            • Shootit

              That only works if you are using venture capital. If you win you win big or loose nothing. Donald Trump always uses other people’s “Investors” money. That little disclaimer at the bottom always covers his butt.

              • Tactical

                Just make sure John Corzine doesn’t run the VC since if he does you won’t get shit.

          • Gregory8

            We’re going party like it 1929 baby !!!!

        • CWinOR

          @ JR- you’re absolutely right. In fact, Walmart refers to it as “second week” sales. The fact is, their sales drop as much as 50% in the second half of the month compared to the first. They schedule, order and stock around this also.

        • Barn Cat

          I believe you. The CEO of Wal-Mart said earlier this year that their customers were running out of money before the end of the month.

          • Sgt. Dale

            Barn Cat
            Don’t you mean that they were running out of OUR money before the end of the mount?
            CAT CW Out Joe
            I’ve seen the same thing. Some of the stuff they are buying is top line for Wal-Mart. Some of the things cost more than I would spend. What really pissed me off was the candy and junk they would buy.
            Could you imagine what would happen if there was glitch, and it was down for a few days. Wal-Mart and the rest of them would BURN. There would a ZOMBIE attack like you have never seen. We could only get so lucky!!!

            • Barn Cat

              I have a stepson who has gotten food stamps because he has crohn’s disease and has a hard time keeping a job. Once they see how often he has to run to the bathroom he either gets fired or he has his hours cut.

              • Sgt. Dale

                Barn.
                That B.S. He wants to work and more than likely a hard worker. The ones that are too damn lazy to work get all the good stuff

              • aljamo

                There is much evidence (non government) that suggests the best remedy for crohns disease is cannabis.

                • Night breaker

                  Actually a diet in unprocessed nutrient dense foods works , vegetables cooked soft , red meat a no no only in moderation , lean protein ( chicken , fish, etc) , fish oil supplements help with the inflammation , try foods to see what bothers you then avoid them , AVOID MILK , eat smaller meals rather than a few larger meals . Drink plenty of water .

                  See if this helps if he’s not getting any relief he should talk to his MD and have his medications changed.

                  This condition was rather rare years ago but has been increasing in the general population ,
                  It usually manafests It self in the late teen years to early thirties. There is no known cause it is considered an auto immune disease of the digestive system. Some studies have liked it to environmental causes i.e. genetically engineered foods or depending on his age exposure to Nuclear Fallout ingestation when young. It’s cause is still considered uknown origion. In the early 1960’s Rome NY, parts of Pennsylvania, NJ , and Ohio experienced a rain out event from an atmospheric nuclear test. I believe a book was written out this called SECRET FALLOUT it is available free on line .

                  Marenol only works for acute attacks when your insides are so inflamed you can not keep anything down due to vomiting.

                  This is a SERIOUS condition that can be life threatening if left untreated ssek medical help for acute flair up incidences .

                  You have to keep a positive attitude and live for the time between the flair ups which can occur at anytime without warning through no fault of your own.

                  Semper Fi 8541

                • Night breaker

                  link : http://www.ki4u.com/secretfallout.pdf

                  Our country exploded enough devices in Nevada above ground to equal a limited nuclear exchange.

                  Semper Fi 8541

                • Barn Cat

                  No way. Drugs are for losers. No better way to look 60 when you’re 45.

            • Barn Cat

              Maybe you wouldn’t be so sarcastic if you were on food stamps.

              • Iowa

                Most of Shitcago has no sense of humor. My wife and I have no degree and we’ve never been on food stamps. STFU!

                They voted for slavery and dependence is the bed they lay on. STFU SLAVES!

                I see signs on the road saying REAL MEN WORKING!

                • Iowa

                  There was a time when FAMILY ACTUALLY TOOK CARE OF FAMILY. SHAME ON YOUR FAMILY FOR REFERRING HIM TO THE FED…

                  No sympathy here.

                • clark

                  Iowa wrote, “I see signs on the road saying REAL MEN WORKING!”

                  Ha! Now that’s funny. One man holding a handle to a shovel, and another ten watching.

              • slingshot

                Barn Cat.

                We are not talking about people who need it and do not abuse it. Yes they are entitled to the better food.

                I am talking about those who fill the shopping baskets up with all sorts of high price meat and gadgets only to clog the line because they have to put things back for they over ran the card. Sometimes TWO shopping baskets. Their peanut brains have a hard time figuring out what they want/need. Then they use other cards and cash as they pull from the overpriced cart.

                • sixpack

                  That just suggests to me, that those people didn’t stay in school long enough to learn basic math…and yet we turn them loose with an EBT card.

              • Sgt. Dale

                Barn
                I wasn’t being SARCASTIC. What I was trying to say is that your Stepson is more than likely a good hard worker.
                What I was saying was The too lazy to work (not your stepson) gets all the good stuff. on the back of the hard workers in this country.
                Sorry you took it that way.
                By the way I was on food stamps back in 1984 for three month, I worked 3 different jobs to make ends meet to get off of them. I finally got a job as a Police Officer just making minimum wage. So little that my kids only had to pay 1/2 price for their lunches at school.
                I pray that he gets control of his crohn’s.

                • clark

                  Sgt. Dale wrote, “I was on food stamps back in 1984 […] I finally got a job as a Police Officer”

                  Yeah, so things never changed for you I see.
                  …Well, except you get to bust some skulls for free.

                  Seriously, did you not understand you never went off food stamps by getting that job?

                • SmokinOkie

                  Ahhh, clark, the milk of human kindness just flows from you, doesn’t it? What if Sgt Dale really is one of us? A prepper who’s working his ass off trying to be as ready as possible for an uncertain future. And what if he really isn’t the type to use his badge to abuse innocent people?
                  I’m no big fan of cops myself, but I have met a few who are actual human beings. Maybe Sgt dale is one of those.
                  And, are you implying that everyone in law enforcement is nothing but a welfare mooch? Surely you aren’t a full fledged anarchist, are you? Personally, I AM an anarchist… but only on Saturday nights!

                • Sgt. Dale

                  Smokin
                  Thanks for the bcckup!
                  Clark has an opinion of me and that is his right. Even though he dosen’t know me. He is entirled to it.
                  You my friend are right. I learned in Sunday school to TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED! Also not to Judge! That is how I try to live my life.
                  I have on two occasions lost it and smack the s#$t out of a Turd after he told me he was going to rape and kill my daughters, and the other turd that told me knew where I lived and told me that I would come home from work and find my wife dead after he had blank up the Blank To graphic I’m sorry but that is the truth. Not bad for 30 years as a Cop.
                  I also told them that if they come with 25 feet of my family that they where going to meet Jesus.
                  Clark if we meet you might find out that you are wrong, I do this job to try to make a difference in the world, even though the difference maybe small.
                  As a Preparer. Been doing this for about 30 years now. I learned a long time ago to always be prepared!!! Goes back to when I lost my full time job, and had to go on food stamps.

                • Sgt. Dale

                  Smokin:
                  Thanks for the back up.
                  Clark has a right to think what he wants about me. He is wrong and you hit the nail right on the head.
                  I was raise and learned in Sundy school TO DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU, AND NOT TO JUDGE. That is how I try to live my life.
                  As far as becominmg a cop. My idea was to try to make the world a better place. I know it is only a little bit I can do, but I’m doing something!
                  Again my FRIEND thanks!
                  Sgt.

          • Sigi

            When people buy jugs of Sunny Delight and Koolaid instead of concentrate and powder they spend inefficiently. When they buy ready made bakery items instead of flour, sugar, etc. they also waste resources. SNAP has instructional materials to help people make the most of their aid (not to mention several mentions in the literature that this is a supplement, not provision for their full need) and part of it is the advice we used to get in school about shopping the perimeter of the store first. That’s where the least processed and better value foods are located. A lot of those on SNAP have no clue about anything in life, and thus they run out their EBT before the month is out and think that they are starving.

            Maybe related- I noticed at the food pantry that the pickings were slim the first week of the month. Also the store seems to be running out of sales items quickly this week. I wonder about later in the month?

        • TotalCollapse.com

          You’re right.

          I have tested this as well.

          People pour into the Walmart an hour before their cards are filled up..

          Fill their carts… Baby food, diapers…etc…

          Then sit around waiting for midnight. then mob the check out lines

          It’s creepy as hell…

          • Anonymous

            If they are on welfare, then they have no business having children.

            If they are having children in order to collect welfare, then the politicians need to eradicate that circumstance as a qualification to receive welfare. This is a national security problem which must be addressed, and fast.

            Every intelligent, well educated person in this country knows this to be true. Granted, some of the politicians are not the brightest bulbs on the tree, but most of them are well educated. Certainly they can see the peril in paying people to have children they otherwise could not afford. So why has this welfare-for-illegitimate-babies gone on so long and what is it going to take to stop it?

            Our nation’s resources just cannot continue to feed, clothe and shelter these rising numbers of people making babies for whom they cannot provide — ever. This notion of having a child out of wedlock and then asking the taxpayers to pay for all of the resulting costs has become merely a scam. And it’s been happening for at least 30 years. Where have the adults in our government been? Why hasn’t something been done to stop it? Why isn’t anything being done now to stop it?

            This is not a matter of compassion or sympathy or not passing judgment on the “mistakes” of others. This is a matter of overpopulating our land mass and destabilizing the very fabric of our society. It is long past time to pass judgment and put a stop to it.

            • Tactical

              With the quality of what we have in DC , I won’t be surprised if some of them might be the actual daddy’s of children out of wedlock and then asking the taxpayers to pay. Unless they go to some island and get it on with young prostitutes like that POS Mendez or Menandez.

            • Slick One

              Irreversable surgical sterilization of da baby daddy and baby momma, would reduce the number of lazy and stupid people in America. Sterilization should be carried out after the first bastard ghetto child is shat in to the world. Welfare programs run counter to survival of the fittest as such programs allow persons of lessor intellect and ambition to pass on their defective genes to the next generation.

      • Facebook Page

        OLD GUY

        WHEN IT COMES TO ALL THIS BUILDING. IT IS PEOPLE WITH CASH THAT DONT BELEIVE IN THE PAPER MARKETS.

        ONES WHO KNOW ME KNOW I PUT ALL I COULD OUT. AND THERE IS ONLY SO MUCK FARM LAND AROUND ME TO BUY. THERE ARE OTHER IN MY GROUP AND THEY ARE BUYING TOO.

        SO LIKE MANY I WAS BUYING ANY DIRT I COULD FIND. THEN INSTAD OF CASH I RATHER OWN DIRT THAT IS DEVOLOP AND READY TO GO. PIPE WIRE SEWAGE ETC.

        NOW WHAT LEFT. SO BUILD LEAVE IT EMPTY RENT IT CHEAP. AT LEAST I HAVE HARD ASSET WHEN THE RESET STARTS.

        THERE IS ALSO ONLY SO MUCK GOLD.
        AND YES THERE IS SUCH THING AS TO MANY GUNS.
        AND AT SOME POINT YOU DO HAVE ENOUG AMMO FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

        LOTS OF MONEY IN DIRT DIRT DIRT. THAT WHERE TO STASH IT.

        EVEN WHILENPAYING PROPERTY TAXES IT AT LEAST KEEPS IT SAFE AND SEEM TO BE KEEPING EVEN AND IN MOST CASES STILL MAKE SOME PROFIT. INCOME BUT SOME PROFIT WORKS.

        THE BUILDING is THE CHEAP PART OF IT.

        • Outlaw

          Good luck defending those vast acres of dirt when the crunch comes down FBP. Also good luck collecting rent after the crunch. You are so full of shit I think we need to call the honey truck to get you pumped out.

          • Facebook Page

            Dirt doesn’t have to be defended.

            It will be there after the reset.

            Dirt defends itself.

            And the building are easy to rebuild.

            • Facebook Page

              Plus all this doesn’t mean shit.

              Today a man felt it was necessary to burn himself alive in DC.

              I don’t care his reason but if someone in this country finally got to the point this was his way to handle thing we are what.

              I thought this was the tactic of Tibetan monk to protest death in a dark third world.

              Pass the banana Welcome to the upcoming party.

              And Outlaw I am sorry you wasted your life not succeeding in life.
              But my children will need someone to work the field in the reset so don’t worry we will find you work.

              • Outlaw

                All I have left to say to you FBP is lololol! Good luck and good day sir!

        • old guy

          that’s great if its your own money your spending. However when your borrowing and receive a government guaranteed loan. you also pay interest and insurance in addition to taxes.

          • Facebook Page

            Complete agree use only ypour own weatlh to.

            Savings never include a bank

        • paige4

          Muck, huh? If you are in my area you should me more worried about the locals. . . IJS You won’t be feeling the same way about ammo when they come refuse to leave their rental and there’s no more EBT.

          • Facebook Page

            If it get to that point I let them stay. Maybe the building will survive the reset.

            I will still own all the weath in the dirt. \\\\\\\

            And I have/been a Slumlord for a long time.
            There is always someone willing to go evict them for a paycheck.

            Like maybe a free place to live and free food from the fields.

          • Facebook Page

            Plus if they don’t have their EBT
            They starve
            They Die
            I only have to have it cleaned up.

            • Barn Cat

              Or they could kill you for what little you have.

            • Facebook Page

              It may take 5 years but the dirt will still be there. I/my family can wait them out.

              I will stay out of there way until they kill each other or everything reset and inproves.

    11. VRF

      a little to little way too late,, well for some of us paying attention that is

    12. Sgt. Dale

      Yep now they tell us. They been lying for years now. Precious metal folks! Precious metal! Silver, Gold, Brass, Lead you are going to need them. The feds didn’t buy all that AMMO and ARMORED VEHICLE for nothing!
      Remember folks they always tell us what is going to happen, then they set on it for a while then if comes to pass. They do this because the every day American will read this, and tomorrow they will forget it, because there will be some type of False Flag, some sports team wins, Lohan or Syris will do something stupid.
      Then when it comes they say oh I forgot, I want to go into a FEMA CAMP.
      Stay Prepared. I know I say this all the time. Damn it! I don’t my friends here and in my group or your group to get hurt. Sleep with one eye open.
      God bless

    13. laura m.

      Ziggy Brz. is 85 and other Elite (David R’feller 98,H. Kissinger 89, etc) are real old and want to see their agenda kick in soon. People out spending on new TV’s, furniture, etc as stuff wears out. Detailed good article on the common sense show website (was posted on Steve
      Q also) with Ziggy’s photo a few days back (oct 2d); sent it out to others. Loaded up on canned stuff today and keep rotated. That article says it all in detail so please check it out.

      • Tactical

        laura m…….People are informed these days. The satanic names you provided will take their planned agenda to their graves in hell. They have so much blood on their hands that even hell may not grant them an entry.

      • CWinOR

        anyone here ever see the (unfortunately) premature obit for Soros that Reuters posted? I grabbed a screenshot of it, so whenever I’m having a really crappy day, I can open it up and suddenly everything is better! Well, for a moment anyway!

      • possee

        laura

        While out procuring canned goods etc..I noticed the price of chicken.

        1.99# for whole roasters
        2.49# for thighs

        I don’t know about the rest of you folks out there,but here in NewEngland the prices have skyrocketed in the last few weeks..

        possee

      • sixpack

        they’re all so old, sometimes I wonder if they aren’t really a robot filling the original skin. If nothing else, it shows us what REAL medicine can do—for those who can pay bundles of cash for it, that is.

      • Plato

        That’s OK, I’m a libertarian who doesn’t believe in Jesus, but I’m here, too. Granted, I don’t say much for fear of retribution.

        • sixpack

          Don’t live in fear, Plato, when your time comes, it comes. What you do between now and then determines who you really are.

          No fear.
          No regrets.

    14. ponomo

      A wise man whispered in my ear recently a partial solution/lesson to the current on-going purposeful tragedy…..attach liens on Congressional pensions for the benefit of we the slaves.

    15. cindy

      Working in the grocery business,I’ve seen a decrease in customers since obamacare went active.And the customers that are buying,are buying canned goods,and sale items.This includes our senior shoppers.
      Obamacare is the nail in the coffin for the u.s. that we once knew.

    16. Barn Cat

      The collapse of the dollar will be the biggest disaster in human history. You won’t be able to buy food or gasoline. Electricity will be shut down once most people can’t pay their electric bills. No police or fire protection. No city water. After all that happens I expect 90% of Americans to die in the following year from thirst, starvation and the violence that will follow. We’re looking at a complete collapse of the economy, society, and the rule of law.

        • Them Guys

          So then all those 1000+ Prez Exec orders to take control of Nations elec Grid, food processings, gasoline, oil, etc etc are Just for…Show? They really do not plan to keep things running during a collapse?

          I aint buying that. Those exec orders were all signed to be used if necessary. Yes some go too far. But some are mainly to use as back ups for any emergencys that may happen. We will still have elec grid even if money collapse occures. And most other items will go on.

          Why would the eleits collapse themselves after doing so much to Become eliets? Everything I have ever read of their plans conssit of Orderly, Non violent, takeover total control of entire world. Non violent as far as Western nations that is. Especially america.

          Those eliets are Greedy and Evil yes. But they are NOT stupid. They wont collapse themselves and they have no other places to go today where folks wont hunt them down if they do the unthinkable.

    17. Raider

      A lot of politicians and bankers need to start hanging for their crimes against the American people. They’ve gone on far to long without being held accountable.

    18. PALADIN

      The picture of the ship is incorrect. That ship is already sunk. It is laying somewhere on the bottom of the ocean somewhere waiting to be realized. Its over folks. A new day is has arose. And that day is the rise of the Anichrist and his minions. Make sure you are right with God!

    19. Barn Cat

      And yes, the whole thing will lead to a one-world government. That’s what the globalists want.

      “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” — Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg

    20. VRF

      Sorry guys and gals..O/T again but it needs to be said

      its just how my mind works

      all this talk these about mental illness, the lady in DC supposedly mentally ill, Fort Hood ..mentally ill.. ship yard shooter mentally ill etc.. etc,.. you get the point..

      well Im here to tell you we have a mentally Ill president, in power, and we better do something about it now!

      Here is the reason behind 0bama’s behavior. 0bama is a psychopath. On the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, he is a strong 15 out of 18 traits. –

      Factor 1: Interpersonal/Affective
      Glibness/superficial charm **
      Grandiose sense of self-worth **
      Pathological lying **
      Cunning/manipulative **
      Lack of remorse or guilt **
      Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric) **
      Callousness; lack of empathy **
      Failure to accept responsibility for his or her own actions **
      Factor 2: Lifestyle/Antisocial
      Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom **
      Parasitic lifestyle **
      Poor behavioral control *
      Lack of realistic long-term goals **
      Impulsiveness **
      Irresponsibility **
      Juvenile delinquency
      Early behavior problems
      Revocation of conditional release
      Criminal versatility **

      In short, 0bama is worst type of person you would want as President. He is fully capable of destroying the country because of his mental illness.

      its time to institutionalize him

      • Outlaw

        I have long felt he is quite narcissistic.

        • VRF

          big time!

      • ponomo

        HE is a hit man for the Bank of England.

      • BackSpace

        Leased as/in Out Of The Country!

        Ft. Knox is Eff’n empty!

        BS

    21. buttcrackofdoom

      stupid people……that’s our nation’s problem. we got too many stupid people. they are everywhere, and i’ve been thinking for a few weeks now on WHY there are so many stupid people infecting our society. i’m 58 now and i can’t remember this many stupid people around when i was a younger man. they are EVERYWHERE. the problem is that we have sooo many laws now to protect the STUPID from themselves, and they breed MORE stupid people. we have laws to make sure stupid people can get a job for example….i REALLY believe that a lot of stupid people get hired into government jobs because the human recources hirers know we would be paying for their welfare payments if they weren’t given these gubmint jobs. they have been instructed by their superiors to hire the handicapped(stupid) to keep the welfare roles lower. think about it, we protect the stupid from being cleansed from the genepool by making laws like:
      wear a lifejacket in a boat
      wear a helmet riding a bike
      don’t put your hand in the tigers cage at the zoo
      label on cigarettes to say they’ll kill you
      can’t take a glass bottle to a sporting event…gotta be plastic so nobody gets cut
      can’t walk down the street in public with a beer
      no jaywalking
      gotta have seat belts to drive a car
      sign saying “no diving” on a 200 foot high bridge
      mcdonalds coffee MIGHT be hot
      ladder sign saying it MIGHT be dangerous to stand on top
      don’t put your fingers in the fan blades
      these lawmakers got it so VERY few stupid people can get killed any more. back in the day people DIED for doing stupid things, now they just keep breeding more stupid. i tell yuh, the genepool needs more chlorine…..get RID of some of these laws. just too many stupid people for our country to not have a serious breakdown SOON! once it DOES all blow up, will it take a few generations to get back into balance? or will mostly stupid people die off? hmmmm…..food for thought…….oops! did i write that out loud?

      • slingshot

        If you are going to be STUPID, you got to be tough!

        :0) Hey you all, Watch This! Redneck’s last words.

        How did I ever live to be this old?
        Yepper, STUPID PEOPLE. Have to save them from themselves and everything has to be SAVED. Dogs, Cats, Rats, Frogs, Deer, Bears, Trees.

        • sixpack

          …everything BUT the Constitution…

      • caliber

        Very true. this is what TPTB want. they want a bunch of dumbed down people. its simple, dumb people are easier to control. which is exactly why they let illegal immigrants in, and reward ghetto baby-mamas and white trash for having kids.
        they want us all to be mixed, one dumbed-down, brown, race of people to control..(white people are too independent- compare mexico and Africa to western Europe)

        im in my mid 20’s, and I have 1 friend out of about 20 that worry about S hitting the F. all my other buddies are staring down at an Iphone, on facebook.
        youre completely right, back in the day, people died from stupidity and lack of common sense. I wish it was still like that.

        • laura m.

          Caliber: I agree, but ditch the stuck in stupid/shallow friends(time wasters) like I have, and only interact with people “in the know” to exchange ideas, later on barter with, watch out for each other. Any others cannot be trusted if shtf. Yes, W. Eur.is a step above the ones you mentioned, but very socialistic, Muslim’s pouring in, no gun rights, freedom to speak out because of hate speech laws. My age group (retirees) don’t set the world on fire either, spend too much time at the golf course or watching TV, playing board games, etc.

      • Dr colt

        Yea but but……Chicago is doing its part so there is that positive…natural selection is fun

      • JB

        Bring back lawn darts…

      • ChickenLittle

        Yeah, don’t forget they made ’em put safeties on guns…

      • BackSpace

        Like the movie

        “IDIOCRACY”

        This is what America has become…. [-2 min. trailer]

        youtube (dot)com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk

        BS

      • grip

        Note to everyone: If you rant about stupid people. Don’t be redunant and use correct grammer and sentence structure. Good reasoning skills are a bonus.

    22. Fed up

      I for one am all for letting this Government fail period. Let if fail and start taking away the money from all these politicians that they so greedily made during their tenure. Revert to a constitutionally run Government overseen by the American people. All bills brought to house and senate have waiting period on yearly basis so that the people have a chance to vote on all Government actions.. ( Now that is Democracy ). A new Government separate from Church separate from Corporations..We all know that it has been big business meddling in our Government for 200 years + This has made our officials corrupt – very rich – very greedy – and blind to the wants and needs of the American public.. No more Military industrial complex which has just recently brought us to the brink of World War 3. Keep instilled a Military for defensive purposes only ( We don’t need to be a weapons leader ). Oh your country has problems ? deal with it yourselves.. No more Financial aid to third world country’s. Flat tax rate on all business based on income. Flat rate tax on all US Citizens based on income brackets. Social Security refunded and never to be borrowed from. Pay bills on time. I mean really how hard can this be ? The first step is to realize there is a problem . The second step is to fix it . Time for America to wake up period take a stand get the ball rolling . Bickering about it is never going to fix the problems we face as a country today. Just remember its the filthy rich that have brought this country to its knees. Distribute the wealth take back what is ours

      • Tactical

        Excellent points Fed up…….My confidence level is high enough to see a world peace if and when we have no huge multi national corrupt Corporations, we don’t support every single dictators and stop our billions of dollars aids to them. Most importantly to have a Government that is solely focused on Americans and the USA and not getting their orders from Israel and AIPAC. Even though I might be dreaming for such day but at least in my dream I can enjoy life as an imaginary phase.

        • ponomo

          AIPAC is/has been a very sharp sword in America’s back for too long–time to deport AIPAC from America–yesterday.

          • Them Guys

            ponomo: since the main thing folks at AIPAC worship(besides their selves of course) is Cash Money, maybe to entice their Fast departures, we could offer them a Cash Bonus. Like say every aipac jew that packs an al sharpton or jessie jackson type into their suitcase before exiting the usa for good, gets an extra $1000 bonus!

            Then make the exact same offer to africans like al sharpton and jessie jackosn et al…Only they must pack an aipac jew into Their suitcase before exiting usa!

            That way the two biggest trouble maker, nation wrecker groups will be hunting each other down across the nation to earn the bonus cash. With any luck, both groups will run each other into ground and 99% of americas troubles will abruptly cease for good.

            Then all thats left is to include in all future school text books, teachings to assure no future generations of americans ever again allow those two types access or entry into our nation ever again.

      • Ancient Echoes

        The politicians will never cut off their own supplies, it must be done by another country or other countries stating they will not deal with us any more and then we will just “enemyize” them, and go to war. Watch out for this and don’t go along and don’t send your children to fight.

      • Kulafarmer

        Yea but,,,
        How do we know it will be better? Some times ya got to be careful what you wish for, might just get something worse.

      • old guy

        Satori that link is a blog from someone who supports the Obama care. Its trying to scare you into signing up. Im not gonna buy health insurance. Im 63 and made it this far without ever buying health insurance. If all the healthy folks opt out it will collapse.

        • hammerhead

          old guy , i agree.
          I am 13 yrs your junior and when or kids were born we went to the hospital and sent up a payment plan and paid our bill. There arent too many doctors or dentists who own a home that i havent worked on , LOL.
          Its called payin your way , it seems that America has forgotten that payin UPFRONT used to be normal.
          Unless i am forced to sign up because of excessive taxation i will not sign up either, its socialism and i dont wanna play that game .

          • sixpack

            Most businesses won’t let you make payments—just go to a veterinarian and see. They’ll check your credit and if you don’t pass a credit check, your pet dies unless you have cash in full.

            been there, done that.

            • Facebook Page

              I have seen that happen both with pets. And farm animals.

            • Barn Cat

              Doctors and hospitals can be legally required to provide services even if you can’t pay. A vet is different.

              • Sgt. Dale

                Barn
                You are right.

                My brother works at hospital and he tells me that they can’t refuse anyone treatment.
                He also tells me that he has people come in that really need the help and only come into the hospital when they are about to die. These folks don’t abuse the system.

                He also tells me that people come into the hospital every time they get a hang nail and abuse the Hell out of the system.

                By the way did you read 2576877 just up the page? It really bothers me that you think I was be sarcastic toward you and yours. If you did? You took me wrong!
                Sgt.

                • Merree

                  It’s true. In the emergency room, everyone has to be treated. And we see people for things that are trivial.

                  Many parents have NO common sense. They bring kids in for scrapes and bumps that would have been ignored by my family. I once had a mom bring a child in for a scraped knee. A simple abrasion that just needed to be cleaned up and a bandaid placed on it. The mom was obviously very wealthy (all money no brains) and said that her insurance would cover the ER visit, so why not “be on the safe side” and get emergency care.

                  There are far too many people thinking like this.

                  I am so glad to be out of clinical care. I think that Obamacare will eventually lead the government to require all doctors to accept Medicaid and Medicare because many are starting to opt out or to limit the numbers they accept. I think one state is already linking accepting medicaid to relicensing. The decline in medicine is starting to accelerate.

        • Satori

          old guy

          I work in health care
          and let me tell you

          its gonna collapse
          Obama care or not

          • lastmanstanding

            we are in also Satori…no pay, no treatment. Can’t do it any other way right now. Nothing personal, just our families survival. If you work with us, we will help.

            Eventually, no one will be paying for insurance period for whatever reason.

            It is one big scam/tax to “insure” big cash flow to them so that they can make huge gains with other peoples money. The rest is bs.

        • John_Allen

          It would be immoral and illegal for an anarcho-capitalist to have anything to do with this statist scheme to grab control of one-sixth of our economy. And all of us.

          How so? It is immoral because it forces complete strangers to subsidize me. That is coercion and theft. It is illegal because it would mean I was receiving stolen property … the wealth stolen from you to subsidize my care.

          if it is a “tax” not a penalty, I regard “tax” as a euphemism for “theft by government. Backed ultimately by prison or even death.”

          As I commented about 20 posts ago, I got totally out of my investments and but for a nominal sum, a few hundred dollars, out of my bank. I took good advice from here and elsewhere to get into hard assets.

          Although I have no [ income ] I have assets. Which most of you can successfully infer. I am also out of banks. So they are going to “seize” my money? Ha.

          I will never see the big 60 again. My parents’ generation lived into their late 80s, many of them paying their own way with health professionals.

          Individual liberty means being responsible for oneself. It doesn’t mean stealing from the other person even if the statists encourage doing that.

          If I were a 25-year old guy with a wife and three children my calculation would be quite a bit different.

          But no matter what your demographic anyone paying your way FOR YOU faces coercion and theft.

          How many health professionals who are “officially retired” do you think would be happy to treat someone in their own homes who was able and willing to pay with hard assets?

          Counterfeit currency, counterfeit “health care.” Bogus is bogus and should be outted for what it is.

          • Merree

            John Allen,
            I agree with you. I am “retired” as a physician but I have my panel of folks I see and help. They pay cash and they don’t hassle me unless they are seriously ill. I even help them get medications from inexpensive sources and get lab work done at low cost. It is all part of my sideline business but the only way to get in is to be referred by someone who knows me. My stress levels have improved and life has gotten better.

    23. slingshot

      How long can this go on? Till our creditors have had enough. India is still smuggling gold and silver. The Germans have to wait over a period of time to get theirs back. China is buying gold and silver. So are the Russians. U.K. wishes it had what Brown sold into the markets. Oil for Gold and measures be taken by countries to “off” the Petrol Dollar. How about this new $100 bill coming out from the Fed.
      We are so damn screwed it’s pathetic.
      Please! I am not saying to buy gold or silver.

      • lena

        The US govt can still go on for quite a while because it can print its own money and practically everyone else is in much worse shape. Unless WW3 breaks out, I’m betting that this game goes on until at least the start of 2015.

        That said, I’m not waiting; by the end of the year I will have a stash of cash and metals and food and no debt but the mortgage that i am calling my start over fund. I think if you have enough food, water and cash to cover things for 3 months and some metals; you just may survive because if people have to go 5 days without food,water and money they lose it; see Hurricane Katrina for validation.

        • slingshot

          Lena.

          It is, What it is. Some people don’t get it. Forest fires, floods, blizzards, hurricanes, earthquakes, you name it.
          As long as they have a flashlight, a gallon of water and a few cans of food they are good to go. One problem is that we know too much. If a new person wanted to get up to speed, all he would have to do is read the last year of articles here at SHTF. The second problem is that we can’t get it through some people’s thick heads to prepare.
          All the info absorbed here would be an equal to a PhD. in survival. Then we have those who can’t sterilize water. Can you imagine the time and money that has been spent by us figuring out what works and what doesn’t. And it’s all FREE here. Now if a person can not see this, he is really stupid and get’s what he deserves for being Stupid.

          • California Girl

            I am absolutely amazed by the number of people in my community who have no clue as to what is coming. I’d say 99.999%. I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone.

            • PO'd Patriot

              If you’re still in California, I can see why. I’m in California’s twin sister-Maryland.

              • JRS

                lol…and BTW, why don’t y’all pitch in and get Barbara some lifts so she can reach the door knob…

                and Steny needs some “Just for Men”.

                • PO'd Patriot

                  We call Barbara, ‘Miss Piggy’.

        • Dr colt

          Make that 18 months brother!!!!!

        • gone under

          @ Lena..You put away 3k into a BANK, which is going to take it from you and you only have 3 measly frinkin months of food? how about water?. Get your priorities in line. Food, Water, Guns, ammo and silver.

        • JayJay

          Lena-you seem like a smart person.
          So, think years, NOT months.
          Preppers do.

          • JayJay

            ***I think if you have enough food, water and cash to cover things for 3 months and some metals; you just may survive***

            I’m still laughing my ass off!!

          • lena

            ok,

            i realize i’m in the minority here by thinking this, but we are not about to go back to the 1800s or dark ages type of living. countries have defaulted before and it didnt set them back a 100 years.

            if you guys read enough history, you will find that in a dramatic change; there’s a period of panic as people see their lives change beyond their control; but as they accept the new type of life; they adjust and move on.

            the US already has nationwide water, electricity, transportation and communication relatively free from any harm in the western hemisphere. russia and china cannot bring enough harm to the US to change that.

            if the US defaults or has hyperinflation, youre going to have periods of outages and things not running, but not months on end or years. greece has been in a depression for years now and its money is dirt, but people still fly into greece daily for vacation.

            here is your proof things will keep on going. detroit is bankrupt, hundreds of thousands of people have left, wild dogs run free and yet they are still going to sell out their playoff games as if everything in detriot is just fine. the US will be the same way, some parts/people will have it real rough and some parts/people will go on as if its just fine.

            • Tactical

              Lena…I agree with you. However the scenarios you stated is and will be the end of the world for majority of people in the USA….for years we got used to easy way of life. Can-opener must be automatic since hand held one is hard for most, power to be out for even 5 hrs on a daily basis for a week? You better be ready to shoot intruders into your house. I can think of many cases that can be a norm in many countries in the world but won’t be perceived as a a norm in our beloved country. However any sort of collapse can be a catalyst for the next generation to live as strong human being Vs robots who can’t last for 5 minutes without their stupid iPhone.

            • sixpack

              “the US already has nationwide water, electricity, transportation and communication relatively free from any harm in the western hemisphere. russia and china cannot bring enough harm to the US to change that”

              Can you really be THAT dumb? You don’t think…oh, hell, never mind. Everything is fine and will always be fine.

              • JayJay

                “the US already has nationwide water, electricity, transportation and communication relatively free from any harm in the western hemisphere. russia and china cannot bring enough harm to the US to change that”

                And right now, there is money (even if it’s worthless fiat) paying for those amenities of society from taxable income(just barely).
                Fast forward to an economic collapse. Where is all that money coming from when the dollar is worthless and 99% of the nation is broke and has no income??
                When you figure it out, share with us idiots.

                • JayJay

                  That quiz was for Lena.

                • sixpack

                  “russia and china cannot bring enough harm to the US to change that”

                  My point is;

                  Apparently, this commenter doesn’t take into account that those countries could destroy our economy in a heart beat, because a huge portion of our economy depends on them—including the trillions in debt bonds they hold.

                  And both countries possess arsenals powerful enough to harm THE ENTIRE PLANET, which, last time I looked, includes the U.S.

                  America is NOT bulletproof, nor should we believe that we are.

                  …we’re just bullies waiting for a bigger bully to challenge us for turf.

            • Ugly

              Lena.

              If you are saving $3000 per month, then I think I have met my new BOL.

              Bug-Out-Lady

              just joking.

              Good luck.

            • kimintn

              @lena are you serious? try to tell the people in the 9th ward post-katrina everything is just fine. i’d suggest you take a field trip down there, and be sure to use a cab driver you trust.

              or do a little homework on homestead, fl 1992. we lived thru andrew. the town, afb, and even nws didnt. your horse is a tad too high.

              • kimintn

                those area areas that were devistated by storms, but the financial impact is very real. look at them as a mother nature inspired currency collapse, rather than man made.

        • IL woman

          Good luck with those 3 months……you should really invest your $3000 a month you are stashing into savings into food security and shelter for 3 years.

          • Sgt. Dale

            Il. Woman
            You are right. I was going to put dead right but it wouldn’t sound right. If you prepare for 3 months you will only last about 2 months , because you will just learn how to use your food, water, and equipment in the first month and you will waisst and mess things up. I like your 3 years idea. I believe that if the SHTF it will last for about 1 1/2 years before things will get back to some type of normal. I don’t believe for 1 second it will get back to what we had in the 1980 and 1990.If we have a Civil war all bet are off.
            We here in Illinois are kinda hand cuffed. We have to put up with the home town of Obullshit, and they are trying to screw up everything. Thank God I live about 80 S/W of that [email protected]#$hole. But when it goes to SHTF those turds will be invading this area. BOY ARE THEY GOING TO GET A SUPRISE!!!
            Stay safe.
            Sgt.

            • IL woman

              Sgt Dale….I’m blessed to be right on the Mississippi mid state. I commute to work in Missouri, so I purchase all my ammo and guns in Missouri with the help of employees. Since I am a single mother my plan is to lay low for 2 years and not have to even leave my house. By then most of the crazy shit will be over hopefully but prepared to defend my home as needed. Take care yourself!!

              • Sgt. Dale

                Woman
                I hope you have made some allicances with your neighbors, and friends. You can’t do it your self. I know that you would try but you can’t. I learned this several years ago. Try you best not to make your fight at your house. Try to take it away from the house. Please stay safe and prepared, and my prayes will be with you. Even if the SHTF dosen’t happen.

                • IL woman

                  Neighbors, 3 boys, other family and friends. I have back up plans and fall back locations. And I’m constantly running scenarios in my mind. Thank your for your kindness, thoughts and prayers. And right back at you and yours.

            • slingshot

              SGT. Dale.

              Rumblings from the Flea Market.

              Want to know what people are thinking? Set up a day at the Flea Market and listen to what people have to say. Especially if you are selling military surplus gear.

              I buy and sell surplus gear for a hobby and a few extra bucks in my pocket. I go about two or three times a year. With a few months spread you can hear the changes what people have to say. It is always communicated in a low voice either Pro on Con on what is happening in our country. The chatter is a good cross section of people so it is not bias . Young and old mostly War Vets from WW2 on up. Then you can tell who the preppers are as they are as vocal as we are here.
              There has been an uptick in women buying gear like Coleman stoves, lanterns and camping pots and pans.
              I watch the people pass by to see what they are buying and many are carrying military gear sold by other sellers at the market. I get to talk to the REGULARS who set up every week and they say the sales are way down and so they cut their prices to make sales.
              Lots of customers asking for Body Armor and MOLLE gear especially chest rigs. They have been to the ARMY/Navy outlets and say the prices are high for the good gear but most of it is just plain worn out. DRMO stuff. Small ALICE packs and frames sell well. The older Vets like the LC1 and LC2 load bearing gear.
              There is one seller that only sells ammo cans. The big mortar and artillery containers also and he sells out by the end of the day.
              At another store that sells everything under the sun was a pallet of MRE’s. I guess about 50 or so for $28.00 a box. Sold them all in two weeks. Checked the code and they were good to OCT 2016. Just a side note.
              So as we wonder if people are preparing. I would say so. The mood of the conversation about our country is that something is coming. Not much about who is to blame.
              I have also noticed that to replenish my stock I have to get up early to beat others who are buying up gear at the markets.
              Maybe there are more of us than we think.

              • Sgt. Dale

                Slingshot
                We can only pray that there are! It will make it alot easier on us. All the prepares that I have worked with and have set alliances with are good people and they are looking to help in any way after the crash. (Just don’t try to take it away from them. You will have a fight) If you ask them they will help.
                I have the 1St. gunshow coming up at the end of the month for this area. I’ll see what is going down when I go there to help a FFL dealer. Last one I was at in March the folks were gearing up and they told me so. They know something is coming, (Man we Americans are smart!) and they arn’t blaming anyone one person or the group. Most don’t play the blame game, they just prepare. Alot of military stuff was going out the door mostly mags, ammo, and MREs, dried foods.
                Stay safe.
                Sgt.

                • slingshot

                  SGT. Dale.

                  The point I want to stress is that most do not care about the blame. They are well past that option.

                  Lots of, Do you have this, or can you get this item.
                  It is a sea change. The tide has turned.
                  It use to be the young guys that played paint ball and soft shot games buying things. No More! The age group now is in their 20 to 30 years old. Ex-Military.

      • Barn Cat

        You should buy some gold and silver with your extra money after you’re fully prepared. We have half our saving in precious metals.

    24. Glacialhills

      I just hope that for once we little people catch a break and this big collapse happens soon, before we have to use up all our stockpiles and all lose our extra buying power and go through years more of this slow burn, and have to use up our preps faster than we can replenish them with our inflated dying dollars, in the end only able to buy just to live day to day waiting…So that when it really finally goes up, we have very little preps left to live on before it is over and we can rebuild our lives and our country.

      • Outlaw

        Amen, I am in the same boat.

      • JayJay

        Glacial–that ain’t gonna happen as long as this govt. continues mailing us our earned SS and VA disability.
        Yes, everyone here knows I am prepped nicely.
        However, when 3 months of TP gets used–it gets replaced when I find them on sale.
        When those mushrooms, tomato sauce, and olives get low, they get replaced(which happened this past weekend at IGA)when I find them on sale.
        So, let this game begin–I’m ready and stay ready.
        I have to sacrifice to stay ready–because I do not have $3000 a month to invest.
        I respect those sacrificing and think patriotically toward them.

        • JayJay

          If you are insinuating that your preps will get old and lose their shelf life–not gonna happen.

      • Barn Cat

        I hope it happens by this winter. In the Midwest it’s supposed to be colder than normal with more snow than normal. Sounds like perfect collapse weather to me.

    25. slingshot

      So Treasury is saying we are in deep shit and the Obama Administration is saying, everything is fine.

      What else is New!

    26. ScoutMotto

      I wish there was a way we could enact a financial survey or test against future members of the House and Senate, one that checks whether a candidate has a monstrous amount of debt, or if they have none at all. Their house must be paid for, along with no car payments, and no huge credit card debts. I surmise that folks who are this good with their personal finances will be trusted easier with national finances. It’s no guarantee, but worth a shot.

      • VRF

        Or they will just use our money to achieve no debt, and than lie to us about where the money to become debt free came from

        just figure, no politician no matter what their finances look like cant be trusted and you wont be disappointed

        what we really need to do is abolish life time politicians, and we need to get all the lawyers out of our government

        • James

          You have a good point. The Poland government seized retirement accounts this year to help pay off their debt.

    27. Tree Of Liberty

      The federal reserve has accomplished exactly what it was designed to do, that is transfer wealth from the lower and middle classes to the top. The system has a finite lifespan but you can never underestimate the power these guys have to kick the can down the road a little farther. I thought it was all going to unravel years ago but here we are. I just prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

    28. Stan522

      I am in “equipment sales” and have been for 26 years and this “new normal” is killing me!!

      • Barn Cat

        I buy and sell stuff on the internet. The fall is normally my busiest time of year. This year, the fall has been worse than the summer. It’s not looking good.

        • Sgt. Dale

          Barn
          I’ve noticed that all the bars in the town I work can stay open until 12:00 on week days and 3:00 on week ends. They are closing at 10:00 to 10:30 week days and around 1:00 on week ends. Before BO we had to run people out of the bars at closing time. Two of our diners that would be open all year around are now closing for the winter.
          Did you ever stop to think that the only people keeping the economy going is the preparers? We always buy two of everything. What do you think it would be like if we only bought one?

    29. buttcrackofdoom

      i like how you are thinking scout….but really the ONLY thing “we the people” are looking for are candidates that are HONEST. it doesn’t take a degree, or money, just a good heart….a promise to do what’s right for america(ns)….that’s it! just someone who will do the right thing for the country. so simple, but so HARD to find. the way our gubmint is set up, there seems to be no way to make it happen. any politician gets elected to city council, county commissioner, governor…president….they get money shoved into their face to do what’s WRONG for the country……………and they TAKE it.

    30. Tactical

      I am not sure to worry about the collapse or when I see on TV that today the Senate Sergeant At Arms and Doorkeeper is handing out “Thank You Capitol Police” buttons outside of the Dirksen Senate Office Building, a day after the D.C. Capitol Police executed an unarmed mother in front of her child. I guess rather than worry I need to cry. Is this what we have become? A young black mother suffering from depression being killed and left her young child without a mother and the SELECTED LEADERS celebrate her death and thanking her killers?

      • Sgt. Dale

        Tact.
        What a poor excuse of police officers. Which goes back to their leaders. (ie their chiefs)

        The mentality of those officers in D.C. must suck, or they are so brainwashed to think that there is a terrorist hiding behind every bush they shoot first and ask questions later.

        They could have taken out the tires on that car when they had it surrounded the first time.
        If they use the excuse she might have a bomb in the car why in the hell did they get so damn close to the vehicle.

        They have tazers why didn’t they use it when she crashed into the last barrier where she was executed.

        Those guys make me ashamed of the way they handled the hole thing. These clowns give good cops and bad name. FOLKS PLEASE DON’T THINK ALL COPS WILL ACT THIS WAY!

        My prays are going out to this family!! May they find peace!!

    31. SWFL

      apache54 says:
      Comment ID: 2573101
      October 4, 2013 at 12:29 pm

      sad to say but what needs to happen is let it fail and start over !

      We can’t “let” it fall, any more than we can “let” gravity work. I think you mean something like ” I am not going to give myself an ulcer trying to think of a way to prevent the inevitable and just accept reality for what it is.” In that case, I am with you all the way. I have two thing to do now- cash some checks and, more importantly, check some caches.

    32. level6

      people,people….please.
      thank you.
      here is a totally unsubstantiated theory of my own….
      what if the reason the govt is “shutting down” (not really but…), is that there is a massive fema region 3 event set to take place between now and early Nov? If the govt is down, what would be the default reaction of POTUS if say….a cosmic event or nuke in south Carolina…ala Lindsey Graham… happened right now….You are all aware or the FEMA REGION 3 DRILL HAPPENING right now right? Also aware of the missing nuke? This is planned……

      begin the silly comments…now

      • BackSpace

        Yep, we’re gonna get EMPeed….

        & not just the ussa… but the whole world!!!!!!!!!!

        Then the slitherin PTBs will crawl out of their underground cities 6 months later….

        Ta Da…. NWO

        [sarc]

        BS

        • gone under

          Your pretty close. Not EMP, but a CME. JOG explained it earlier, but nobody was listening and went back to the usual rant…..economy collapse, WW3, Obitchycare, etc. If TPTB all disapear at once, get in your bunker because they prepped for it and know when TSHTF is coming.

          • Sgt. Dale

            B.S. and Gone
            We know something is cominmg. You are both right. What is cool (use that term loosely), about them going underground is the time frame.
            They will come up around the time those that have prepared will have begun getting a handle on things, and we won’t need these Turds.
            I want to have a suprize party for them. What do you say? We can bring lot of wood for the large bond fire, Rope to tie things up, Mask to gover thier eyes to play with a pinyata. (I think I spelled that right?) and some large pins to play pin the tail on the Ass. (I ment domkey)

          • BackSpace

            Did I miss a post from The Voice of JOG? Is something happening?… BRB…. Yipes! sun is getting jiggy again..

            THNX

            BS

      • Barn Cat

        You might be right. There’s an unusual number of drills scheduled for the next 6 weeks or so. Also, the whole debt ceiling fiasco might be a way to panic foreign investors into panic selling of the dollar.

    33. Basstard

      I’m starting to think that no one has the balls to pull the plug.

      • laura m.

        Basstard: I think there is a good chance the “old men” Elitists may have dementia of some sort, they can’t seem to pull it off and these top dogs are getting really old. Other than that, I can’t figure out what they are waiting for.

        • California Girl

          According to Lindsey Williams they’re waiting for Obamacare to be “fully” implemented, which won’t take place until January 2015 at the earliest. That gives us more than a year to prepare, but prices will rise so sharply between now and then that it will become more and more difficult with each passing month to buy those things we still need.

          • Sigi

            Prices are already rising.

      • Sigi

        That could explain the exuberance with which Russia and Syria took Kerry’s facetious ‘deal’ seriously- they realize how terrible a reality WWIII would be. IN a similar fashion, the older people get the more they look for a way to not have to struggle, not need a revolution.

      • Barn Cat

        It’s not that. Either they want to steal more money first or they don’t consider the time to be right yet.

    34. VRF

      Finally, the Failure in Chief utters one truthful statement.

      “The federal government is Americas largest employer”.

      Frightening………….

      • lastmanstanding

        They are doing this to strike fear into the hearts of most govt emps…anything to ensure therir loyalty to big bro…who in the fuck is going to hire a former govt emp?

        The division crap works…people now despise most govt agencies. Govt emps are just the same as the politicians…high and mighty.

        They work for us. We don’t need them.

        Most of them don’t get it. Let them suffer and toughen up…or give up.

    35. Frank

      Nonsense. Scare tactics. The gov will never default, there is absolutely no reason to. The interest on outstanding debt is about $400B/year. The gov takes in $2.8T/year, the first thing they will do is pay interest on the debt. Then pay their other bills. Of course they spend $3.8T, hence the $1T trillion deficit that they need to continue to borrow for. Even that is not a problem because the fed is buying almost all the debt now.
      Don’t be fooled people, this is just to scare you and make you think they did something when they settle and start blabbering all over tv how great they are.

      • Barn Cat

        That’s $400 billion a year at an average of 3%. If interest rates go to 9% that’s $1.2 trillion. The fact is, the government isn’t borrowing much money anymore. The Fed is creating it out of thin air to fund the deficits. Eventually the dollar with become worthless and America will become a third world country.

    36. Anonymous

      Why is this website catering to, and supporting, the fear-mongering coming out of this Administration?

    37. Buzzfix

      When mainstream media starts talking our language, you know its not going to be good. Have a nice weekend. 😉

    38. RICH99

      We have been hearing warnings like this for quite some time …..who knows when it will finally go down …..I’m hearing late fall early winter and if it STILL hasn’t I will be taking a long needed vaca from this

      • laura m.

        rich99: I agree, as several preppers I know have passed on, things tossed/donated by heirs. Now, some I know have physical limitations and better off dead if shtf/power shuts down since they use medical devices/several on dialysis/ diabetic meds must be refrigerated, CPAP devices, etc. Many will just give up over time.

      • PO'd Patriot

        Rich99. You really, really need to get a life.
        p.s. ( And me too)

      • Not so Much

        I called it. How many weeks has it been since you were all foamy at the mouth and stomping yer feet claiming you weren’t coming back here?

    39. CWinOR

      Here’s a question that I bet sends chills down the spines of every member of TPTB, and one that I think we’re starting to see the result of them thinking about the answer to. What happens when resistance becomes cool? What happens when the 99% Occupy crowd and the 53% (as in 100- 47%)Tea Party crowd finally realize “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”? I think TPTB have recently started to shart themselves over that scenario. IF that is true, they would realize they have to act soon.

    40. Ancient Echoes

      Even if mankind figures out all the economic problems, housing problems, health care problems, educational problems, political problems, over population problems, Constitutional problems, we are all still Fukushima’d.

      If you want to get rich soon just become a Physicist and figure out what to do with all the nuclear waste.

      • Barn Cat

        Fukushima is a relatively minor problem compared to how it’s portrayed in the alternative media. It’s not worse than Hiroshima. It’s not going to destroy the world or cause problems in America.

    41. Be informed

      Catastrophic they say? Lasting more than a generation? Guess they are talking about post mega SHTF Mad Max world. I get so sick and f’en tired of this worthless government talking sh$% that we all know too well. This planet is in flux right, and there was just another large earthquake for a plate boundary on the southern Australia plate. Guess what, the worthless USGS said that almost all their services are now void. That means there is no place for past records of these earthquakes and where major quakes have hit after this.

      From what I have seen this earthquake reenforcing the past earthquake activity on these precursor locations. The danger zones until Oct.17 remain HOT and dangerous. I am still looking at India for a possible great or mega quake. Other areas that lie in risk for something quite big are Japan, eastern Russia, ALL of the Alaskan coastline, British Columbia, Cascadia fault, Mexico to 20 degrees north to Central America, Ecuador to North Chile, Philippines, New Guinea to Somoa which includes North New Zealand to Fiji, and Central Indonesia.

      I still believe that putting a barrier up to BO care is in the best interest of the people, even if this means losing valuable services like the USGS past earthquake achives. The real issue though is stopping BO and these other wads from continuing to balloon the debt. This BO helicopter ben spending should have been stopped back in 2009 before it became terminal. In any case, we all are so F’ed. If the masses knew how F’ed we all were you know what they would do? The same thing they are now, because they are zombies and that in itself is another reason society is F’ed. Prep as much as possible, there be a bad storm on the horizon,

    42. BigB

      Mac,

      I can see how you would come to the conclusions as drawn in your article. However the truth be known I can assure you it will not go down in the manner you have described.

      Let me start out with your premise:

      “Here’s what you can expect to happen on that fateful day when our government is no longer extended the credit it needs to cover its trillion dollar commitments:”

      The U.S. Government does not borrow money. The U.S. Government sell treasury bonds. Over half of them each month to themselves and the other half to financial institutions, insurance companies and just old plain rich people looking for a place to stash their money and not have to pay tax’s on it. Except for themselves they are sold both here at home and abroad everywhere in the world.

      Now to pay what interest and or repurchases of these T-bills the federal reserve prints up money out of thin air. As long as they can do that then there can be no default by the U.S. Government.

      However this is also where hyper inflation starts to kick in as the more money printed the less the value of said money. When those people / institutions who want to cash in the treasury bills the money they get will be of less value than the original purchase price in respect to it’s purchasing power.

      Because of a global economy and the United States dollar being the international treasury there is no country or company that has invested in either treasury bills or into the American economy that would want the U.S. economy to fail because if it did the rest of the world would be as poor as we would be.

      So in conclusion let me just say that this is not going to happen till there is some other calamity that would prevent the United States from printing money or being considered one country under God.

      BigB

      • CWinOR

        and nowhere in that theory did you consider the demise of the petro dollar. it’s already happening piecemeal. it’s only a matter of time until dollars become nearly worthless for trade, and we’re having to convert those dollars into yuan, SDR’s, PM’s or what have you. and since we manufacture almost nothing here now, we’d be in much the same position as Venezuela is- where they literally can’t even literally afford to wipe their butts. in the time that it would take for a dollar bill to fall to a counter at the grocery store from your hand, it would’ve already lost most of it’s value. post-war Hungary had a DAILY inflation rate of over 207%. prices doubling every 15 hours.

        Roll ’em roll ’em roll ’em…
        Keep those presses rollin!

        • BigB

          @CWinOR,

          I have considered the petro dollar situation and in all fairness that could be a kink in my thought process. That said though tell me who has a stronger currency than we do?

          And with us becoming more oil independent, which I cannot for the life of me understand with all of Obamashits ranting’s and ravings against the oil companies, how this could have happened under his presidency. Regardless, we are becoming one of the largest oil producing countries in the world. And that would just make the petro dollar even more strong.

          I could be very wrong but I have spent many years following this stuff and working in the world of finance at was once some pretty high levels. But again with the way things change on a daily basis who is to say that like most stuff I thought I knew in the end it was just bullshit. Just the politicians, bankers and elite with some fancy smoke screens.

          BigB

          • Ugly

            BigB.

            Have you ever heard of the USD (US Dollar) index?

            You asked, ‘who has a stronger currency than we do?’

            Well about 5 Nations do. The US Dollar is indexed against 5-6 of other leading nations. An index of 100 means our currency is equal to equated currencies of the other 5. A USD index of 120, as was during 1982-2002, means our currency is 20% stronger.

            Our USD index has bounced from 90-146 between the years 1982-2002. Reagan has had the highest USD index with many times in 120-140. The latter years of Bubba had some around 115. Bush2 had a couple years close to that too. Since 2008, our USD has been mostly 80-82, meaning our currency is worth about 15-20% less than the other 5 Nations.

            Two years ago, the dollar would get you about 92 cents in Canadian money. In past, it would bring about $1.15 in Canadian money.

            This is why the petro folks would like to get rid of dollar. Why store the dollar as petro and world reserves when other currencies are worth more? It is like $1.00 in savings and your account shows $0.80.

            That is also why China is buying so much of our stuff from land to T-Bills. You see, a stronger currency always purchases the weaker currency because of bargains.

            The dollar is toasted. When China and others start to cash in, we are nothing but confederate money.

            • Archivist

              The dollar index went just below 80 on Thursday, the lowest since February. I have heard that if it gets down close to 70 and stays for awhile, we won’t have long until collapse. I don’t know enough myself to say whether that’s right.

              Just got another big marine battery for the solar power.

              • Ugly

                Archivist.

                When the banking crisis happened in 2008, the USD index was 72-75 that week.

                We are collapsing at the 80-85 mark anyway. That means our currency is 15-20% below the other currencies. If our economy was truly recovering, then the USD index would be at 100 or above. It hasn’t been above 100 since 2004(?).

                The USD index at the 1987 stock market crash was 95.

                So now you know why they are pumping phony money into the system and why they are issuing bonds to buy back our own debt.

                • Urban G troll

                  Ugly. So if W was president in 2004, did he start this mess?

      • Barn Cat

        It’s ridiculous to think that the rest of the world will tolerate the Fed creating a trillion new dollars out of thin air every year and think they’ll do that forever.

        • Them Guys

          Barn Cat: You mean All them Trillions of us dollars those other nations have been Accepting yearly for over 60 yrs that america fed gov and fed res keep passing out? Of which so far not one single nation has rejected free us money handouts that I am aware of.

          Take israel as an example, since day one 1948 israel has been the largest welfare state in the world. If usa quit funding israel multi billions per yr, Plus tens of billions More in various war machines and ammo, not to mention wars to benift israel Americans pays for.

          AND if Germans ever Wise Up, and stop paying israel WWII war reperations cash, over and over, again and again every time some whinny jew claims they too are a “Survivor”, which today number close to FIVE-Million holyhoax survivors. Israel would collapse in two minits without both usa and germans constant Guilt cash payments.

          Ironic that on one hand, holyhoaxer survivors claim how utterly Efficent and quick germans were able to mass kill so many jews in so short a time frame in WWII era…While on the Other hand, directly at wars end there were aprox 42,000 survivors alive that were jewish.

          Yet today official survivor claims numbers, jews who recieve monthly checks etc…Are close to 5 million survivors!

          If 5 Million survived the holyhoax, then perhaps germans were NOT so efficent after all eh…Because if as jews claim Six million died, six to ten million More escaped prior to becomeing “Campers”…And Today a whopping almost 5 million still alive survivors exist, and That number climbs yearly…Then Fuzzy Math must be at play no?

          They only ever have aprox 13-14 Million total worldwide ever in the last many centuries. Cannot Wait for average german taxpayers to wise up on that issue as I heard germans are very good at math!

          Either way though so far all those other nations you state of keep takeing Free cash from usa right. Why do you think they will suddenly stop that takeing?

          Aprox 2/3rds of the 27 Trillion Bail outs since 2008 or whenever it began, went directly to European Banks. None rejected taking it. I bet they actually Spend some too and enjoy it same as do welfare monkys here in usa.

          Remember ALL them gloom and doom collapse Books you been reading are FICTION accounts of what “Ifs”..Based on some economic “experts” ideas not yet ever tried.

          Kinda like all them pastors Prophecy End time events books…Every time they get it all Wrong they RE write a New prophey end times events book and sell more books!

          Wonder how many Trillions dollars been so far spent on wrong end time events books, and how many folks still Believe what those wrong books says will occure.

    43. Tractor

      Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock
      DONG – DONG – DONG
      Oops too late…

    44. Warchild

      Solid goods folks as most already know,land ,metals,any goods you need ect.Keep small account perhaps for shopping on line.Yes,folks including the govt. can steal it but it is much harder and the cost will be so bloody that hopefully in the end we renew as a country,phoenix rising from the ashes ect,live for today,prepare for tomorrow and enjoy your weekend!

    45. NC joe

      decades’ long woeful mismanagement of U.S. economic, fiscal and monetary policy.

      So, I guess it is not all Obama’s fault like you idiots try to make it out to be.

      • braveheart

        ncjackass, f#$% you! Quit coming on here with your BS.

        • Evan mutt troll

          Good comeback brave. He is right. This has been going on foreveyiur comment about take your bullshit and leave because you told the truth is childish. In fact, being a snarky bitch is your fall back. Why not point out that it was all great before Obama? You can’t. You are regressing back to childhood.

          • Sgt. Dale

            Evan
            You are right it wasn’t great before Obullshit. Things were good, not great. Its will be PURE HELL very shortly with Obullshit at the helm along with his brothers Reidtard, Dicky Dumbin, sisters Bowlcy, and Frankenstein.
            If you come back with he inherited it. I’m going to say B.S. He knew what he was getting into when he ran for office. He lied when he said if he couldn’t fix it in 4 years he wouldn’t run again. If he was Pinocchio we wouldn’t have to send rockets to the moon we could just climb his nose.

            • Urban G troll

              I am not saying Obama inherited this. I will continue to make the point this has been on going, progressive and cumulative. I would also make the point the social security and Medicare system should be eliminated. All of it and now. Every president inherits numerous programs and funds them. This includes entitlements, wars, etc.

      • Kevin2

        NC joe

        Obama is neither villain or savior. The die was cast for this eventual catastrophe when the Bretton Woods Agreement was abandoned in 1971. Free Trade and the demise of Glass Steagall were certainly catalysts accelerating the downward spiral. Obama like those preceding him do the bidding of the power elite regardless if they desire to or not. At worst they take orders. At best they have little practical alternative.

      • Ugly

        NC joe.

        No its not all his fault. The fault line thru math goes like this.

        FDR 2%
        JFK 3%
        LBJ 7%
        Nixon 8%
        Carter 10%
        Bush1 11%
        Bubba 12%
        Bush2 16%
        BO 31%
        Total= 100%

        It does add up to 100%. Do the math.

        • Kevin2

          Ugly

          The reality is as this progressed like a snowball going downhill its inertia increased. Maybe prior to the great industrial evisceration post NAFTA and China Free Trade and prior to the demise of Glass Steagall this could have been reversed without extreme pain or outright collapse. I think your percentages of responsibility are a tad wrong with Johnson and Vietnam and his Great Society putting forward the events that caused the abandonment of Bretton Woods. That was worth 25% right there.

          Obama is certainly speeding things up.

        • Evan mutt troll

          Ugly. Your math is based on adding up money and dividing it? What about the new deal? 3% for FDR should tell you something is wrong. What about the two wars W started and we still pay for? The math is not as simplistic as you are.

          • Sgt. Dale

            Evan
            Oblullshit
            Libya- Booming Under NATO. They didn’t attack anyone in NATO.
            Egypt- Backing the Muslim Brotherhood while they slaughter Christians. Don’t forget Benghazi.
            Syria- Backing al Qaeda while they eat the earths of there enemy.
            Africon- protecting Muslims so they can slaughter Christians.
            Pakistan- Drone strikes killing one bad guy and 12 innocent people. God only how many times!
            Bush had over 20 sanctions from the UN and the permission from the U.N. and the Congress for Irag. Afghanistan they were hiding Bin Laden, both the Houses and the Senate gave the Ok for that war.
            If you bring up WMD’s where in the hell do you think some of the ones in Syria came from.
            I hope Obullshit doesn’t stop too fast you will break your neck because your nose is to close to his butt.
            Wake up they are all worthless.
            Man I hate being like this but someone has to say it.

            • Urban G troll

              Ugly. Your logic is bad. Did I defend Obama? I said your math was not taking into account social security. Wow, you see things that are not there and then get snotty. Learn to read and reason.

              • Ugly

                Urban G troll.

                The math I used was based for the time period. Yes, if FDR was president today his rating would be much higher than the 2% and Carter have been worse too.

                I used the economy, the strength of the dollar for that time period, the national debt at that time, and the annual spending debts for each president.

                If you noticed, Reagan is not in it. That is because he took over a $500B debt with 22% interest rates and turned this country back into an economic power-house with a dollar value 25% above all currencies. People say Reagan tripled the debt, not true. It was the first Bush where the debt tripled.

                Clinton, after the dems lost in 2004, slowed the debt down and congressional spending was actually a surplus.

                Then came Bush and BHO.

                The mess did start under the Bush administration until 2006. From there the dems have had the control on spending.

                Anyway, we have a mess.

                As the dems did with Bush in 2006 (lame-duck), we need to do the same in 2014. We are out-of-control.

    46. Mangus Colorado (@MangusColorado)

      There will be no “default” as the current cash flows from all sources can service the total debt and about 60% of current operations.

      Interest on debt is only 6% of projected 2014 spending so stop the HYPE and selling of fear and hate . . yes that funds SS, Medicare and Medicaid and the military here is the budget for spending.

      http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/budget_pie_gs.php

      • CWinOR

        wow. alrighty then. have another sip of cool-aid and a nice long drag on that spliff. this is all a dream….all a dream…

      • Archivist

        You didn’t read the rest of the page. At the bottom there is a little window with figures that you can copy and paste to a document or spreadsheet. If you look at the figures in the resulting table, you will see a figure that is not accounted for in the pretty pie chart. That is the federal deficit, the amount the government is estimated to be going in the hole during 2014. That is $744 billion dollars that the government (ever optimistic) estimates that they won’t have enough revenue to cover. It will most likely turn out to be over a trillion dollars, going by all the past years of Obama.

        That 6% in the pie chart is over $200 billion dollars. That’s a lot of interest. And there is nothing in the budget to pay on the principal, because they’re in the hole over a trillion dollars every year.

        If you check figures for the past few years, you will see that if absolutely everything in the federal government were shut down, defense, congress, all cabinet departments, and only entitlements were left, the government would still have a deficit every year.

        So your whole message is incorrect. In other words, BS.

      • Kevin2

        Colorado

        Roughly 40 billion per month made out of nothing are buying Treasuries thus funding the Federal Spending. The 6% is cherry picked data and like excluding food and fuel in the Consumer Price Index calculation just as accurate.

        Trash in = Trash out

      • PO'd Patriot

        I can smell what the Mangus is cookin’ and it ain’t pancakes……….

    47. Ghost

      To quote Rev. Wright, “America’s Chicken’s are coming home to roost”!

      Rome fell because it was broke, same with The Spanish Empire, the USSR, and The Turkish Empires.

      Who’s next?……we are, but so is most of Europe, Russia, and the Chinese economy is not at it’s peak either.

      • BigB

        @Ghost,

        Not trying to be argumentive with you but China has more than it’s share of problems as well.

        Supposedley we had a housing crash that we have sort of recovered from. That is probably the biggest bullshit statement I have ever typed. We are still in the biggest housing crash and financial melt down this country has ever seen. It is so far from over. Well, that for another day.

        You see in China they are just at the beginning of an employment crash that may well cause a power shift and a complete restart of their economy as well. They have spent all of their resources in keeping the people employed. If you can trust the numbers they have put out they now have a GDP rate of less than 2.4 %. Compare that to the U.S.’ supposed GDP of what 2.9. In both cases though for an economy to grow it takes at least 4.5 % GDP increase each year.

        Unemployment in China is well over 20% at this time and getting worse every month. And unlike here in the U.S. they don’t have part time jobs. Just jobs that pay jack nothing and because of inflation over in China as is here it does not buy very much.

        The problem is that China the government is the main employer in the country. They like us are pumping out currency like there is no tomorrow but because so many raw materials have to purchased out of country they cannot afford enough to keep their people working.

        So when the peoples republic get tired of no job, food and or money they are going to turn on that countries leaders. When that happens just like it is going to here sooner or later all hell is going to hit the fan around the world. Because if they go then we go as well and visa versa.

        And there is no one else with the size and scope of an economy like either China or the U.S. to take our place. Goodbye global economy. Goodbye to all that we or they knew as the good old days.

        BigB

        • Barn Cat

          China is in much better condition than we are. They’re a country that imports raw materials and sells finished goods to the world. Very little is made in America. Almost everything is made in China. China will get a cold. America will die of pneumonia.

          • REB

            With respect BC I have to question that…Ive talked with several business owners who do business in china and go there on occasion…they all say the place is a mess outside the controlled image areas and getting worse…we have troubles here for sure but Idont think china and others are sitting pretty so to speak…

    48. xxxhawaii

      Think about it our government prints money with nothing backing that money and with a debt of 200 trillion. No wonder we have Obamacare to bail out our Medicaid, medicare health system. Bet you we go broke before then.

    49. nevermind/obe

      Conclusion of Ron Paul’s farewell speech to congress in Nov 2012. Entire speech worth reading at: http://www.naturalnews.com/038006_Ron_Paul_farewell_speech_liberty (dot) html

      What are the greatest dangers that the American people face today and impede the goal of a free society? There are five.

      1. The continuous attack on our civil liberties which threatens the rule of law and our ability to resist the onrush of tyranny.

      2. Violent anti-Americanism that has engulfed the world. Because the phenomenon of “blow-back” is not understood or denied, our foreign policy is destined to keep us involved in many wars that we have no business being in. National bankruptcy and a greater threat to our national security will result.

      3. The ease in which we go to war, without a declaration by Congress, but accepting international authority from the UN or NATO even for preemptive wars, otherwise known as aggression.

      4. A financial political crisis as a consequence of excessive debt, unfunded liabilities, spending, bailouts, and gross discrepancy in wealth distribution going from the middle class to the rich. The danger of central economic planning, by the Federal Reserve must be understood.

      5. World government taking over local and US sovereignty by getting involved in the issues of war, welfare, trade, banking, a world currency, taxes, property ownership, and private ownership of guns.

      Happily, there is an answer for these very dangerous trends.

      What a wonderful world it would be if everyone accepted the simple moral premise of rejecting all acts of aggression. The retort to such a suggestion is always: it’s too simplistic, too idealistic, impractical, naïve, utopian, dangerous, and unrealistic to strive for such an ideal.

      The answer to that is that for thousands of years the acceptance of government force, to rule over the people, at the sacrifice of liberty, was considered moral and the only available option for achieving peace and prosperity.

      What could be more utopian than that myth — considering the results especially looking at the state sponsored killing, by nearly every government during the 20th Century, estimated to be in the hundreds of millions. It’s time to reconsider this grant of authority to the state.

      No good has ever come from granting monopoly power to the state to use aggression against the people to arbitrarily mold human behavior. Such power, when left unchecked, becomes the seed of an ugly tyranny. This method of governance has been adequately tested, and the results are in: reality dictates we try liberty.

      The idealism of non-aggression and rejecting all offensive use of force should be tried. The idealism of government sanctioned violence has been abused throughout history and is the primary source of poverty and war. The theory of a society being based on individual freedom has been around for a long time. It’s time to take a bold step and actually permit it by advancing this cause, rather than taking a step backwards as some would like us to do.

      Today the principle of habeas corpus, established when King John signed the Magna Carta in 1215, is under attack. There’s every reason to believe that a renewed effort with the use of the internet that we can instead advance the cause of liberty by spreading an uncensored message that will serve to rein in government authority and challenge the obsession with war and welfare.

      What I’m talking about is a system of government guided by the moral principles of peace and tolerance.

      The Founders were convinced that a free society could not exist without a moral people. Just writing rules won’t work if the people choose to ignore them. Today the rule of law written in the Constitution has little meaning for most Americans, especially those who work in Washington DC.

      Benjamin Franklin claimed “only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” John Adams concurred: “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

      A moral people must reject all violence in an effort to mold people’s beliefs or habits.

      A society that boos or ridicules the Golden Rule is not a moral society. All great religions endorse the Golden Rule. The same moral standards that individuals are required to follow should apply to all government officials. They cannot be exempt.

      The ultimate solution is not in the hands of the government.

      The solution falls on each and every individual, with guidance from family, friends and community.

      The #1 responsibility for each of us is to change ourselves with hope that others will follow. This is of greater importance than working on changing the government; that is secondary to promoting a virtuous society. If we can achieve this, then the government will change.

      It doesn’t mean that political action or holding office has no value. At times it does nudge policy in the right direction. But what is true is that when seeking office is done for personal aggrandizement, money or power, it becomes useless if not harmful. When political action is taken for the right reasons it’s easy to understand why compromise should be avoided. It also becomes clear why progress is best achieved by working with coalitions, which bring people together, without anyone sacrificing his principles.

      Political action, to be truly beneficial, must be directed toward changing the hearts and minds of the people, recognizing that it’s the virtue and morality of the people that allow liberty to flourish.

      The Constitution or more laws per se, have no value if the people’s attitudes aren’t changed.

      To achieve liberty and peace, two powerful human emotions have to be overcome. Number one is “envy” which leads to hate and class warfare. Number two is “intolerance” which leads to bigoted and judgmental policies. These emotions must be replaced with a much better understanding of love, compassion, tolerance and free market economics. Freedom, when understood, brings people together. When tried, freedom is popular.

      The problem we have faced over the years has been that economic interventionists are swayed by envy, whereas social interventionists are swayed by intolerance of habits and lifestyles. The misunderstanding that tolerance is an endorsement of certain activities, motivates many to legislate moral standards which should only be set by individuals making their own choices. Both sides use force to deal with these misplaced emotions. Both are authoritarians. Neither endorses voluntarism. Both views ought to be rejected.

      I have come to one firm conviction after these many years of trying to figure out “the plain truth of things.” The best chance for achieving peace and prosperity, for the maximum number of people world-wide, is to pursue the cause of LIBERTY.

    50. Scott

      So Many us Colorado, you’re saying the USD is impervious to economic law to infinity.

      • Archivist

        No, Mr. Mangy Colorado can’t understand math and the fact that the pretty pie chart doesn’t show the deficit.

    51. Ugly

      Prepper Dudes!

      Think for a minute.

      We know there is no new paper series dated post 2009. I have series for each year from 1993 to 2009. Nothing thereafter. How do you know that the banks are not slowly taking the paper cash out of the system?

      How much paper cash is in circulation today?
      How much will there be lets say in two years?

      Do you think it will be the same, more, or less?

      • Archivist

        They only change the date on paper money when the signatures change or when the overall design changes. If the signatures haven’t changed, then the money that was printed today still says 2009.

        I checked my money, and I only have bills dated 2004, 2006, and 2009. The only difference between them was the two signatures on the front.

      • lastmanstanding

        They are absolutely pulling cash out of the system. Anyone who believes anything coming out of Dc or the fed is the truth is setting themselves up for disaster.

        Cash gives you freedom, anonimity.

        Bottom line…They want you dependant on them and afraid of everything else.

        Go the opposite way. Independance, self-sufficiency, freedom…

        Stand with God and “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

    52. ed

      We’re going on day 4 of this so called shutdown. Does anyone notice any difference? Does anyone even care that the feds are shut down? I don’t.
      Driving down the road today I kind of felt a little more free without the mountain of stupid that is normally coming from the federal government.
      I kind of wish this shutdown would continue so these idiots are distracted and not passing some stupid nonsense.
      Peace.

      • Ugly

        If they keep going, will we have to pay our Federal Taxes for 2013?

        • InsanityISContagious

          You will be “glad and excited” to know that IRS has released a statement that they will continue to accept REQUIRED IRS payments BUT due to the shutdown, NO REFUNDS will be processed….Obama == Drama QUEEN.

      • Tactical

        We would be better off with a permanent shutdown.

      • DollarstoDonuts

        Well, I live in a small town that depends on tourism, and our parks are closed, people here on vacation are out of luck. The downtown area is historical, run by the various govt. entities, so it is affecting our businesses, mostly mom and pop types. The shutdown is NOT hurting the right people!

      • DollarstoDonuts

        Well, I live in a small town that depends on tourism, and our parks are closed, people here on vacation are out of luck. The downtown area is historical, run by the various govt. entities, so it is affecting our businesses, mostly mom and pop types. The shutdown is NOT hurting the right people!

      • JayJay

        Yep–the Ky census is down–I wanted to see how many household incomes are in the 20,000/25,000 range.
        It has altered my life as I know it. (sarc off now)

        • JayJay

          Oh, screw ’em–I used the way back machine and found it!!

          • JayJay

            $42,248 $52,762

            That was the median income per household in 2012.
            Now, figure how many households are gonna be getting tax credits of 1,000,000 households and tell me where are these billions coming from??
            The nation is at a standstill and doesn’t have money for essentials–sequestration is taking place, but one state is getting 5 billion+ a year for insurance tax credits??

    53. Are you ready?

      LET IT ALL COLLAPSE…EVERYONE WHO READS THIS FUCKING SITE ARE ALL PREPPED UP.

      Ha ha…

      The first black president of the United States is the last president.

      Go figure.

      You give a brother a credit card and look what he and the feds do..

      http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BASE

      un fucking real…

      kiss your dollar goodbye.

      They planned this..the commies…and it’s why the TSA is stocking on hollow point ammo. You don’t need hollow point for target.

      You’d have to be blind to not see this coming.

      An American revolution started by the commies in power.
      They will blame it all on the tea party, the repubs and NRA members.

      Folks.

      Start firing DEMS and LIberals.
      Purge them from your businesses.

      They want to enslave you.

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        Big T Speaks

    54. TnRick

      Sitting here feeling helpless and frustrated that our Troops overseas are being denied the opportunity to watch football this weekend so that this President can “make a point”. He has closed and prohibited entrance to our National Monuments, Parks and Cemeteries in a deliberate affront to our WWII Veterans yet his golf course is exempt. The Washington Times is reporting and I quote “It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

      Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/#ixzz2gnRE6izT
      Now, if I owned a team, was a member of a team or had the ear of one of the above I’d suggest that we take the game “off “ to show that we, as Americans respect the sacrifice and just not show-up on Sunday but that’s not going to happen. Then I had this epiphany, on October 11-13 American and Canadian truckers are expected to converge on Washington D.C. in protest that we have all had enough. http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/now-truckers-convoy-to-d-c/
      I suggest that we take it one step further let us all join in by simply dropping out. What I’m asking is that we make no purchases period, if we own a business close it for those three days. Pull the breakers from your panel and don’t participate with the “system in any way. Let’s make these three days a dress rehearsal for the times a lot of us are prepping for anyway. I believe it will draw some attention when there are few if any cars on the road and no revenue being generated.

      • KY Mom

        TnRick,

        The level to which this administration has stooped to in this partial govt shutdown is disgusting!

        In Florida…

        Feds try to close the OCEAN because of the shutdown.
        – prohibit fishing boats
        – ban access to the ocean

        Breitbart dot comm

    55. Pissed Off Granny

      If we say “China is really profiting from the United States”, to whom are we really referring? It is true that the Chinese go