U.S. Treasury Warns of What’s to Come: “Catastrophic Effect… Could Last for More Than a Generation”

by | Oct 4, 2013 | Headline News | 555 comments

Do you LOVE America?



    The next time someone tells you that the US government is operating in a fiscally sustainable manner and that our economy is growing strongly point them to the latest report from the U.S. Treasury Department.

    According to the new report released yesterday all of our worst fears may soon be realized should the United States default on its obligations to creditors, employees, and recipients of state-sponsored benefits.

    The report details the consequences of Congress failing to raise the debt ceiling so that the government can borrow more money. The political impasse will likely be resolved in the 11th hour just as it has been during prior showdowns. But, the report has much broader implications.

    This is nothing short of an official admission and confirmation of the decades’ long woeful mismanagement of U.S. economic, fiscal and monetary policy.

    Here’s what you can expect to happen on that fateful day when our government is no longer extended the credit it needs to cover its trillion dollar commitments:

    “In the event that a debt limit impasse were to lead to a default, it could have a catastrophic effect on not just financial markets but also on job creation, consumer spending and economic growth,” the report said.

    Credit markets could freeze, the value of the dollar could plummet, US interest rates could skyrocket, the negative spillovers could reverberate around the world, and there might be a financial crisis and recession that could echo the events of 2008 or worse.

    “Considering the experience of countries around the world that have defaulted on their debt, not only might the economic consequences of default be profound, but those consequences, including high interest rates, reduced investment, higher debt payments, and slow economic growth, could last for more than a generation,” the report states.

    Via: Yahoo and HuffPost

    While all the political hoopla in Congress will eventually lead to an agreement on raising the debt ceiling, the fact is that we are very quickly approaching our limit as a nation.

    At some point our creditors are going to pull the plug. They understand that the $200 trillion in obligations we have will never be met. Countries like Russia, China, and even the private central banking conglomerates are positioning their chess pieces right now for when this day comes.

    The end result is going to widespread financial and economy destruction, a meltdown of the U.S. dollar, and a collapse of our very way of life as tens of millions of Americans will be instantly impoverished.

    Economic analyst John Williams has warned that when it does finally happen, we can fully expect disruptions to our food supplies and the normal flow of commerce.

    Without the U.S. dollar as a viable mechanism of exchange, such a  scenario could very quickly lead to civil unrest, violence, and widespread looting. While most Americans may deny that the possibility exists, it’s exactly the scenario that U.S. Homeland Security experts and the Pentagon have been simulating for years.

    The U.S. Treasury Department has confirmed it can happen. The military and DHS are actively war-gaming contingency plans and stockpiling ammunition, recruiting soldiers for interment operations, and arming up local police forces. Furthermore, governments around the world are training for it.

    Take their lead, and do the same on an individual level by developing your own long-term preparedness plan. Set aside food in case it is no longer available at grocery stores. Save some gold and silver to utilize as a mechanism of exchange should the dollar crash. Learn to use a firearm and have ammunition on hand to defend yourself when the masses start fighting for whatever resources remain.

    While the timing of the Treasury Department’s report is designed to instill fear in the American public, understand that raising the debt ceiling will do absolutely nothing to resolve the underlying issues we face and the consequences that will eventually be realized.



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      1. NOW they tell us.

        • Although it is true, I think the only reason they are telling us is for the “scare tactics” effect, so that they can kick that can a little further down the road.

          • Bingo!!!

            You win…

            an all-expense-paid vacation to…

            FEMA Camp 1984

            • Lol, can I pass on the prize and just take the cash value?

              • i know you guys realize that this is fearmongering by the obama regime to make the repubs look bad.
                But what if ?
                What if Obama decidesto tell ol ben to stop printing for awhile so the stock market tanks ?
                There wouldnt be anyone but a socialist democrap elected for the next fifty years .
                It would sure as hell speed up the “agenda” !
                Just my random thought on this one .have a good day.

                • Cloward Piven Baby….. the plan is working !

                  • “The way forward is so radical it can’t happen. It would necessitate a sweeping divorce of the state and the market economy. It would require a renunciation of crony capitalism and it’s first cousin: Keynesian economics in all its forms. The state would also need to get out of the economic uplift, bailout, and social insurance business and drastically shift its focus to managing and funding an effective and affordable means-tested safety net.

                    Restoring fiscal solvency and free market prosperity would also require the drastic diminution of the state’s bloated machinery of warfare and central banking, meaning that the hurdles to true economic recovery are forbidding. Deep shrinkage of the military-industrial complex, for example, could happen only upon the wholly unlikely abandonment of the interventionist foreign policy that nourishes it. Likewise, eliminating the scourge of the Wall Street casino would require restoration of free market interest rates and honest price discovery in the stock market; that is to say, elimination of the Fed’s open market bond-buying operation and its regime of financial repression and risk asset levitation.

                    Alas, none of these solutions are even remotely possible within our now fully corrupted constitutional framework. The latter is no longer a system of democratic choice and governance; it is a tyranny of incumbency and money politics. As such, it has set in motion a financial doomsday machine that is inexorably speeding toward national insolvency and monetary collapse.”

                    ~ David A Stockman. The Great Deformation, Pg. 672

                  • “”“Catastrophic Effect… Could Last for More Than a Generation”””

                    Reminds me of the old saying that we are always one generation away from tyranny.

                    The treasury is not issuing a warning so much as it is a statement of the banksters desire.

                    To kill the country for a generation so all those who know and desire freedom will be dead and no longer a threat to their power.

                    We must take back the country before that is allowed to happen of the idea of freedom will disappear from the history books.

                  • Lord how Id like to be the one to announce on national Television, “Ladies and gentlemen, your EBT cards, Welfare Checks, AFDC, WIC and section 8 housing vouchers
                    are terminated!” “Time for you to get off your asses and seek employment, the gravy train has derailed!”

                • Correct me if I’m wrong Hammer but I do believe this is being mocked here…no?
                  ergo…bring it on MFer’s…There are millions of guys and gals, just like me…It ain’t gonna take much more…
                  lol!!! Where’s the popcorn…(organic)…

                  • what is being mocked , jerry ?
                    socialism ? damn right .

                  • Hammer, we are not in disagreement…sorry you took it that way…
                    Seems others misunderstood as well… orwell…Haha lol!

                  • Wow, you’re stupid. I thought you fools believed in markets. Why is the market only paying a couple of per cent? Because i the market perceives the investment safe. The default you clowns incessantly whine and worry about, will only come about because you clowns are provoking it by not paying the bills already incurred. When if you’re right about the debt, it did not happen overnight, and anything but a slow, incerentalist solution will crash the economy.

                  • I’m sorry mikey but what you just wrote…makes no sense…at all!


                • Obama does not tell the fed what to do. Quite the opposite.

                • First, there would be no future elections as the US would cease to exist as a country of 50 states.

                  Second, ALL imports would end until the exporters knew they would be paid in gold or other currencies, not dollars. Look at the ‘made in’ labels on all of your food and stuff to see the impact on YOUR life.

                  Third, there would be ZERO economic growth (See #1) as the US is NOT like the 3rd world countries that collapsed in the past and had help from other countries to pick up the pieces. The US stands aloe as it will take down the rest of the West and many countries friendly to it. China and Russia will stand by and watch.

                  • no – china or Russia will become the new world monetary system – they both have gold/silver in their banks to cover their money. The dollar will become nothing – all americans will lose…..this will be the final or close to final goal of Obama . . . to see US destroyed as we are taken over by Muslims.

                  • And why shouldn’t the Russians and Chinese watch. The American government has been playing this game for years and if it gets burned it should for not listening. If America was sensible the people would start cooping within communities to see what local resources they have and start building on what they don’t. When the dollars does collapse it will be the ones who make these changes that will survive. The government that you’ve been paying all these years will leave you high and dry with no support and will probably steal whatever you have left.

                • There’s a plan guaranteed to blow up in his face.

                  • There was money to go to war with Syria,an now no money for the goverment to keep running “interesting.”

                  • You Are A Big MOUTH Idiot
                    It’s already in motion
                    No One can stop it

                • Ben is pretty much in the toilet. If he doesn’t pull back on QE the market stays pumped up, the dollar devalue goes critical, and the theater continues. If he pulls back at all, interests rise a lot, market drops and hyperinflation starts to kick in. He knows it. He also knows that he does not want be in his chair when it happens. He will do everything he can to keep it together to allow him to get his butt out the door next year. Oh, happy days

                • If Obummer had the Fed stop printing there wouldn’t be anyone elected for years because the entire welfare house of cards they built would collapse.

                  The Government and Fed cannot stop QE. All they can do is ride it out until it stops on it’s own.

              • We’re sorry to inform you, but due to the bungling
                incompetence of our self-serving governmental greed,
                your generation is dead — The USTD.

                • The last time I felt this way was when i got outta school in 1980 , jimmy carter was in office then too.
                  And peanuts werent free then either .

                  • and “Billy beer” sucked .

                  • I remember those feeling when he enter office. Even back then many were asleep.

              • Well yea—-Two wheel barrows full of Ben-notes

              • As a country we have grown weak spiritually, physically, intellectually and economically.

                2 CHRONICLES 7:14
                “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”

                • Hey KY Mom. it will never happen,ever. A untowards generation ,has the whole planet become. Evil ways and doings is their God. Reptance will never come from the unruly. I think judgement has begun and will continue until that final day. And i,m willing to bet a gold eagle on it!

                  • REVELATION The bad thing is GOD will stick a flamimg
                    rod up our ass if we don’t get it right

                  • Revelation,

                    I agree. Like a sinking ship, at this point the focus is being awake and getting onto the lifeboats. (prepping for the future)

                • @KY Mom, You are absolutely correct, and there are many who share your sentiments, including me. Unfortunately, when the collapse occurs I am not sure the little life-boats will be enough to save anyone. It will probably only prolong the suffering that people will be going through. The ones who died early on will be remembered as the lucky ones. People will run into holes in the ground and pray that the mountains would crush them. Remember how Abraham bargained with God over Sodom and Gomorrah? Perhaps there will be a remnant who will humble themselves and seek the face of God. Pretty scary thoughts. We all need each other. It is utter nonsense to think we can survive alone, for what?

                • Jesus loves you- go to the church and wait. (Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil- Packwood’s Law.)

                  • FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD

                  • Lucifer,

                    The country may choose not to repent. But, that doesn’t change what we as individuals (and as a country) should do.

                    In the Bible, that you choose to mock, it doesn’t end well for Lucifer. Read it. Before it is too late, you should repent too.

                  • Nah, I’ll be out in the streets aligning myself with the Holy Spirit to feed the sheep and heal the sick and dying. You can have your ‘nother what, seven years? Worship the beast, and whaddya get, saint Peter don’t ya take him cuz HE can’t go, he owes his soul, to the lake of fire.

                  • Nah, I’ll be out in the streets aligning myself with the Holy Spirit to feed the sheep and heal the sick and dying. You can have your ‘nother what, seven years? Worship the beast, and whaddya get, saint Peter don’t ya take him cuz HE can’t go, he owes his soul, to the lake of fire!

                • We haven’t become weak, we’ve become completely morally bankrupt and despotic. Just look at TV. All the major sitcoms, even the “family” shows, are full of non-stop vulgarity and sexual innuendo. Remember the Super Bowl last year at half time? 30 minutes of watching Beyonce thrusting her half-naked genitals around at the cameras. At the Super Boal party I was at it was the only time the room got quiet and everyone was watching TV like mesmerized zombies. That’s what our country has turned into, and it’s not by accident.

              • Sure, all in FRTs (Fed. Res. Tokens) . Won’t make great toilet paper but you can use them for origami.

              • No you cannot.

                • Of course you can use them for Origami! Almost 20 years ago a young lady with whom I worked folded a dollar bill into a ring and gave it to me. It’s still sitting on my curio shelf…

            • Unreconstructed S: Folks keep mentioning FEMA camps and cops and soldiers going door to door for various reasons: round-ups, gun confiscation, etc. Do really believe any of theses folks are going to show up to work if the whole country is breaking down? HELL NO-they’re going to be home protecting their own families from those who didn’t prepare. A few ‘dorm-rats’ will show but the vast majority are going to protect their own homes and say “screw the rest”.

              • A drone requires a young man who likes video games and comfort. There will be thousands of those available to take you down. Think about it. How many millions are out there who have zero responsibility to family? Who will jump at the opportunity to live well and be safe in a world gone mad? Millions will. How many does it take to kill a thousand rioters? One drone and one pilot. Think before you comment…

                • Makati1: Wow, you’re about as sharp as a bowling ball son. Do you wake up every morning and have a giant bowl of “Dumb-Ass” for breakfast? It takes a lot more than some “gamers” to fly these drones you idiot! It takes programmers, highly skilled maintenance personnel, security forces, satellite experts, munitions experts, and all the other support personnel needed for these missions. These aren’t just some video game you moron. The military personnel that have families off base and all the civilians too will have their families to worry about first if TSHTF. They’ll all say ‘ screw the mission, my family comes first’. It’s painfully obvious you were never in the military, or you’d already know these thing. Go back to playing with your computer games little boy, adults are trying to have a conversation here.

                  • GregoryFagname8

                    Hey Stupid You Did’nt understand a word he said
                    OFF with your Head Next


              • That’s why they’ll be staffed with only a certain kind.

                • Many on here obviously don’t understand that the pilots killing Afghans or Iraqis were not anywhere near those places, but in air conditioned offices in Florida or California. The drones were out of countries friendly to Americans and were supported there, not here.

                  In riot control, the drones may be out of Columbia, South America or even Haiti or Puerto Rico. They may even be flown by pilots from some other country, hired as mercenaries by the elite to ‘control’ the sheeple. No feeling or loyalty involved. Don’t count on your police and military to revolt or protect you. They too will be ‘collateral damage’ when the SHTF.


              • JUST SICK SOB”S. Anyone who did Standing Ovation has her blood on their hands. Shame on you. She only was a 34 years old mother with depression. Your hired killers killed her in cold blood and you are celebrating???? You are scums in the lowest forms. Mr. President what happened to your speech? How come she didn’t look like your daughter this time?

                • I modified a web site crawler to extract the emails and contact page URLs for every single member of congress, into one text file…guess what I’m gonna do with it over the weekend?

                  One thing I really want to know, whether any of the congressmen from Oregon, as well as Rand Paul and Ted Cruz were present AND STANDING during that ovation.

                  Everyone else is going to get a shitty email, giving them each my unsolicited opinion of their actions regarding the murder of the young lady. I doubt the list would get through if I posted it, or I would. (I’d hate to blow up Mac’s servers)…

                  • By god then a shitty email for them it is. They never get hostile emails from nuts. That will show them 6 pack. They will read said email and feel bad, lose sleep, and cry. I hope your fingers don’t catch fire while typing. The country and world depends on you. Thank god for 6 pack.

                  • She richly deserved it.

                • Because “Mr.” Oblamo picks and chooses……His puppetmaster tells him what to do……

                • I am glad I was not the only one bothered by the fact that they killed this poor unarmed mother. My sentiments exactly, Tactical.

              • She asked for it and she got it. Play stupid games don’t bitch about the prize.

                • “Grey Dog”…sounds like you still harbor ill-will from your near-miss with the doc at the animal shelter. Never fear, they’ll put you out of your misery eventually.

                  • unlike most of you on this board I don’t live in moms basement. Bring it

                  • Just let us know where. And be on time.

                • Greg Dog, I hope one day you get it without asking for it. You are a parasite SOB.

                • Grey dog. Don’t mess with six pack. He has a lot of time on his hands. You working folk have a disadvantage. He will smother you with comments just like his “shitty” emails to congress. Watch yo ass.

                  • “He” is a “She”, mud dog—but I guess you wouldn’t know that, because you can’t sniff my ass over the internet.

                  • Urban dog: perhaps you should consider that some folks here have alot of time on their hands to post alot of replies here because due to an unfortunate accidnt not of Their fault or doings, has caused them to be Retired from injuries etc. Some may even be disabled at an early age and usually when a younger person is disabled from injuries they lose most prior “friends”.

                    While the still able firends keep partying and doing normal things, they usually do not keep hanging out with the disabled guy. So maybe early retired folk in that predicament use a forum to post at like This one as a form of entertainment some what, and post more replies than others too busy working etc.

                    Ironic thing is it always happens when You least expect to become injured and disabled. In fact even someone such as You may laugh less at others due to an unfortunate accidnt or injury. Because one just never knows the future eh…Happy happy Today can equal Not so happy Tommorow….Be Thankfull if you have no such ailments or troubles. That will lead to being more considerate too sometimes.

                  • Thanks for the warning Urban Dog . I love it when people talk smack. He’s like most people talk smack but cant back it up. I was at the gym today and a guy was talking everyone how strong he was . I squat 810 and said your turn . He left LOL

              • yes all 546 of them.

              • A motor vehicle is a weapon, and if I was a cop and she tried to run me over……Lesson learned, do not attempt to get crazy with law enforcement officers!

            • Man…. I hope FEMA camp 1984 has a cassino and some of those cool shows I saw on Royal Caribian…. oh and a day spa would be nice!!!!!

          • Yeah, it’s scare tactics and nothing but. If the debt ceiling is not raised, they DO NOT HAVE TO DEFAULT ON ANY EXISTING BONDS. Let me say that again, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DEFAULT. If there is any default, it will be an AFFIRMATIVE CHOICE by the current pack of thieves in the WH, who might do so just for spite. Well, not for spite exactly – read on….

            What they would do is a “contained” default. Because any default further destroys the middle class that they hate so much. The default will be “contained” so that it does the big bankers as little harm as possible, but nobody will get away unscathed.

            The only alternative is to do the right thing now. Cut entitlements by 30%, repeal Obamacare 100%, cut the Federal bureaucracy along the lines of the current “shutdown” – i.e. all “non-essential” Fed workers now on furlough are terminated, reduce taxes that inhibit investment in new businesses, enforce immigration laws, restore rule of law to banking industry, enforce anti-monopoly law against the big medical players, etc, etc.

            The current Government won’t do any of it, because if they do the Free Shit Army will be out in force, armed to the teeth, backed by the Vampire Squid money team, and all our worst fears will come true. The only good part is that the Blue cities and states will get the worst of it.

            Facing up to either of these horrible alternatives is more than The Weeper can stand, so eventually they’ll kick the can down the road again. Like the man with cancer who says “It’s only a lump, it will go away soon”.

            • What if we really are, finally, at the end of the dead end road? It is really hard to feel sorry for the Federal Employees who have been getting paid through the whole recession while so many business that pay their wages have gone under. When a business is in financial trouble it cannot just pass a CR and pay it’s employees while they are NOT working. All this is really waking up all of us as to how the whole system works: correction, doesn’t work.

              • RT Tv News Just showed the SWISS folks have a brand New Money plan! RT siwss land Video showed a Dump Truck filled with almost $400,000 worth of eu Euro-Dollars.

                That Dump Truck was Backed into place in some Town square area, then every EU Gold color coin was Dumped into a huge massive Pile of Cash. While a hundred or so persons stood around and some began to Pocket the loot.

                The RT reporter says the brand new swiss goal plan is to Give Every swiss citizen a Gaurenteed Monthly Income of what equals about $3000 us dollars Per Month every Month!

                They say its time for Every swiss citizen to be assured enough monthly cash to afford a Good lifestyle with plenty of Cash to live that way.

                I wonder if any other nations plans to follow the swiss lead? Man I sure can live a great lifestyle if somebody hands me $3000 per month to spend as I see fit!

                I thought folks here may like to know this Swiss land info after we had an article posted here a couple days ago. It seems this New swiss plan has just been done yesterday perhaps. I saw in on RT tv news Late last nite, actually so Late it was really Today, Saturday I suppose.

                RT archives their tv news reports so if anybody cares to see or read this info its probobly archived at rt’s website.

                • That is NOT what it said. It said that they were looking at making sure every citizen earned at least $2600 a month. EARNED ie. minimum wage. It did not say they were going to give $3000 a month to everyone. Where the hell would the money come from?? Its that kind of thinking that we have too much of here in the USA. Think government gives stuff for free. The only money the government has is the money it takes from others! Well that and the money they print and we will have to suffer for down the road.

              • The AFSCME union has had government in a death grip for years. OF COURSE they’ll get their back pay. OF COURSE the Weeper agreed to put it in writing.

                But we are either at the end of the road, or damned close to it, with no way out and Freddy Hussein Kruger bearing down on us with a full tank in his chainsaw.


          • yep, nailed it. It is the classic scare tactic-just like last time when that dem senator said if the “the debt ceiling isn’t raised then there will be civil unrest and rioting in the streets”………….been there, done this …ad nauseum

          • As one that served America while hippies scatted during the viet nam war era. Most tea party guys now were former hippies, or mama boys. The United States has ten times the military force of the next strongest country… china. China has a one child policy. America will be energy independent soon. I predict a stronger dollar, and immigration reform. During Reagan’s term(he would be a tea party guy if he was alive today)gold and silver crashed.Cash is king right now. But more so if the tea party get’s control. Most people that post here are hypocrites.

            • I will admit that I support my Commander in Chief. Mr. Limbaugh was a yellow belly chicken during the viet nam war era. Now he is fired up with his fellow “token” rich black guy…snigley brown noser.He and his rich , never served golfing buddies, are all cowards in my eye.

        • Shit, OH DAMN, I guess I’m going to have to get worried now. The Treasury dept and the “Huffington Post” issued a notice of coming disaster, REALLY!
          This is just more along the lines of the present administrations fucking with the nonObama believers. Fuck them!


        • Please offer something of substance or just stfu.

          • NEVER RUN OUT OF AMMO IN A GUNFIGHT………..that’s substance.

            • Agreed, but you better be able to hit what you aim at…

        • I seems to me that the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 ushered in a Century of Catastrophes..

          and what a 100 year anniversary it is..!!
          with the 16th Amendment as well..
          The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration…


          (Thank you Woodrow Wilson)

          Thank you Lincoln for the IRS..

          it’s been down hill ever since..


          • You are welcome!

            and thank you for,

            The Civil War
            WW3 (coming soon)
            Federal Reserve
            The Great Deal (FDR)
            The Great Depression
            the UN
            Expanded wars from Bush (no peacemaking at all)
            Dollar Collapse
            No jobs
            Illegal immigration
            Deals with China that will end the USA

            Thank you.

            • This scenario of the “crash of the dollar” has been in the works for decades. Anyone that has been reading and paying attention to TPTB has known this dollar collapse was inevitable in order to bring about the “order”.

              There is only one way to dismantle the middle and upper middle class in America; dismantle the dollar.
              Why? There is too much “old money” involved to systemically dismantle the masses. WTF is old money?
              Basically it is inheritance. There are a couple generations of persons that have held on to every dollar, or at least a portion of it, that they ever earned. Some invested into real estate and others into profitable business, and others into the stock market, and some just banked it all. There are trillions that are keeping the economy afloat without any help from the Feds. In fact, the Fed’s fiat dollar printing is only to help increase funds for banksters and the uber-rich.

              These folks of wealthy inheritance can only be brought down to the ranks of lower middle to poor classes by collapsing/crashing the dollar and replacing it with an exchange that gives these folks, what is equivalent to, “pennies on the dollar”.

              The collapse/crash of the almighty dollar has to happen on some level for TPTB to bring forth their plan of a NWO.

              As long as Mom and Pop, and Granny and Pa, have the assets and the dollar flows; They will sell-off and cash-in, all that is necessary to keep their immediate families flourishing, which in turn keeps the economy flowing along. Until that dollar no longer buys vehicles and land and houses for an equitable amount; the economy will continue as it has for the past 100 years, excluding the Great Depression era. When that dollar is only worth 10% (or less), of what it used to be, then; “Houston, we have a problem!”

              Some assets of precious metals will be good to hold for bartering and possibly paying taxes, but food stores and the means to produce anything for survival will be the ticket for independence.

        • I can’t stand it. tptb always tell us what is coming before they implement. It’s like it absolves them of guilt or summat. It’s just like the guy who tells a gal he batters his last girlfriend, yet his dumb new date refuses to listen and thinks she’ll be treated differently for some unknown reason.

          SET SEEDS ASIDE. “in case the grocery stores……”. Those daft packets of MRE’s are only gonna get you through the first winter ffs.

          We’ve seen what’s happened to Libya, Greece, Hungary, Detroit, yet for some reason people think they alone are gonna be immune when the SHTF for so many already. So many of those claiming welfare benefits were just a year or so ago earning good money on what they thought were stable jobs/solvent businesses.

          The possible strategy (cos at this point I hope noone is gonna pretend the descent is by anything other than design).

          1. Destroy the Western middle-class, where the last remants of the concept of freedom reside through economic means.
          2. Global War
          3. Pandemic (aka WW1 spanish flu).
          4. Reduced population of survivors so downtrodden and grateful they are content to be enslaved by the global plantation in exchange for “security”.

          Winter is the most dangerous time for preppers, as this is when the general population is least likely to revolt against whatever draconian measures their gubberment chooses to take.

          • lone Mum: Where do you think the Babylon is thats spoken of in Revelation? That part that says All the rich men, merchants, ship owners, banksters etc et al shall Weep and Mourn over her demise?

            Many folks I have heard say that Vatican is Babylon. Yet in reality there are a very Limited number of places that can be modern babylon. Because to cause all those merchants and wealthy ship owners etc to Mourn and Weep over irs final destruction, it Must be a city or nation that Imports and exports a whole lots of the stuff them wealthy men sell and buy right.

            At a glance yes vatican looms Large, main building houses One man, the Pope yet it contains about 1200 bedrooms alone! But in reality the entire vatican city only occupies about 114 total acres lands.

            And when one considers besides One Pope, they probobly have 1000 others dwelling there full time at most. That can hardly be that massive Babylon city that will be destroyed and cause so many rich merchant men to weep and moan now that they Lost their Main customers.

            In all usa history NY seems to be a number one location for such merchandising imports and exports and Banksters opperations that made so many so wealthy.

            If by chance NY is that babylon city spoken of, since it seems to fit most every listed issue that describes babylon, even JayJays recent Finds of former “Hills” prior to NY city was Built.

            I have wondered if when John the revelator was shown his Vision of the entire future from 2000 yrs ago, if since his vantage point was in Heaven, which is UP, way far UP above the earth, did he perhaps see a massive properous largely inhabited “city” and since he also would see what to a Novice Could be taken for the entire lanscape of the USA may appear as, One Large city from NY across to LA Kalif?

            I only was one time in an airplane and when I peered outside the small window at america below prior to landing, thats what it looked like to me. If I did not know better, when I saw how it seemed the land etc streched on forever almost, all roads connected, farm after farm, city after city as if one huge massive city such as ancient Babylon.

            I also wonder if John simply used that name of Babylon so other readers of his prophetic writings would know based upon their knowledge of ancient babylon, that he was speaking of so large and wealthy of a city as babylon was originally. John was used to in his days citys had tall thick Walls as in walled citys for safty of dwellers within that city. If when John looked down at the Future usa that will exist some day, like Today end times, I wouldn’t be shocked if he saw it as one large City.

            Its something to think about eh when one considers the way america has so devolved into a modern day version of a combo of babylon+soddom eh.

            And unless very soon the vatican city dwellers begin to Import much more of every possible thing they can import, and maybe also do some Exporting that will require Many of those rich ship owners ships to bring stuff in and take stuff out…Well then I really doubt the vatican can posibly be that babylon spoken of in the book of Revelation. America sure appears to be High on the list as that “city” babylon today no?

            • Angelo Mysterio.

              I have thought as well that Revelation 18 could be none other but the USA.

              This chapter describes a very rich Nation that is now gone. The USA could fit that very easily.

              Rev 18:3 ‘For all the Nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The Kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.

              Rev 18:9 ‘When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. Terrified at her torment, they will stand off far and cry….’

              The petro-dollar has created the worlds most wealth, ever. It has also created the most financial adulteries. It is burning and starting to come down. Many rich will weep.

              Yes, Rev 18 could be America?

              • @ Ugly and Angelo,

                Babylon means “confusion”. The deeper meaning from the Bible means “confusion brought about by evil”.

                Therefore; other than the very ancient city of Babylon, the references to Babylon can mean a variety of peoples, nations or groups. They all have one thing in common, they are “worldly” followers and operate on Satan’s formula of greed and pride. Those two deadly sins, when coupled with confusion and deception, makes up the requirements for Babylon.

                No “one”, nation or country has the market cornered on deserving the title of Babylon.

                If Communisim and atheism were the markers for such, you could say N Korea, China, or even Russia would be considered Babylon.

                i think modern day Babylon is a generic biblical term and many people fit into it.

                Having said that, i also believe the worst of the worst are those that “claim” to be Godly, but use Christianity,Judaism, or any worship of a higher power, to steal from people, that is the epitome of deception and evil.

        • They say this same exact shit every single time.

          At this point I no longer am buying it.

        • @ Southron, “NOW they tell us.” LOL!

      2. I wish I could run my household finances like this…

        • Funny/scary thing is, many Americans already do!

          • 2nd that.

            the average household has less than $3000 saved for retirement. i just dont see so many people cannot plan to put some money aside so they dont have to eat dog food when theyre 65. i put away over $3000 in retirement every month !

            but its the people like that dont plan that elected a govt that doesnt plan ahead and now the whole country is in an horrific mess.

            • How are you going to feel when the dollar tanks and all that money you socked away won’t buy you that can of dog food?

              • Whoopdy do , I agree with you. But if I had three grand to save a month I think I would be changing the dollars into some hard assets. Like brass and lead,gold and silver.

                • The best investment you can make is in copper jacketed lead and brass. And no matter how valuable it becomes never sell it because you will be using it. When the brass hits the grass there are no more excuses.

                  • Amen…the only lead that leaves my possession will be thru the barrel of one of my firearms.

                    I’m not leaving until it is over.

                • And farm land. Eighty gillion Chinese can’t be wrong…

                  • Why you’ll soon be paying rent to the Chinese

                    Foreigners continue to buy up more & more U.S. assets.

                    World Net Daily

                  • Ky Mom, actually the Chinese are getting out of US Treasuries as fast as they can without scaring the markets. They’re buying up gold, and working overtime to establish transport routes for mideast, central asian, and african natural resources. As a race, the Chinese are second to none for intelligence. Ethics, not so much, but stupid they ain’t.

                  • The Old Coach,

                    The Chinese may be getting out of treasuries.

                    But, they are buying up farmland, mines and other properties in the U.S.

                  • Good point, KY Mom, I missed that part. In Idaho where I have friends, they’re trying to create a “free trade zone” near Boise, covering, as I understand it, square miles.

                • Damn straight whisper.

              • As a two term viet nam era Veteran,America has ten times the military force of the next strongest country…china. We will also be energy independent soon. I predict a stronger dollar compared to other currencies. I do hold CEF, 10%,
                in my ira account as in insurance though. America is the best place to live.

                • Why buy the bullion coins of gold and silver, when CEF is 60/40 gold silver ratio and this closed end mutual fund is trading now at a 5 percent discount of the true value of it’s gold and silver holdings. The miners are mostly unprofitable at these low prices.

                • Do they really hold the PMs they say they do? Or are they leveraged 100:1 like so many other so-called hedge funds? I’m no gold bug, far from it, but I won’t trust any paper asset. Either it’s in my hand so I can assay it, or forget it.

              • Whoopdy Do,

                As the Man With No Name said, “Bravo”.

            • @lena:

              If you can put away $3,000 a month for retirement then you are truly fortunate. Most people don’t even clear that much much less make that much on a monthly basis.

              And you shouldn’t generalize, all of our savings were wiped out between a serious health issue my DW has and me losing my job which I had worked for the same company for over 10 yrs and was doing quite well a few years ago when things started getting really rough. We weren’t “over extended” and had no debt but got wiped out rather quickly anyway.

              Just had to vent…

              Molon Labe

              • “If you can put away $3,000 a month for retirement then you are truly fortunate. Most people don’t even clear that much much less make that much on a monthly basis.”

                +1000 green thumbs

            • Lets see how much your savings are really worth when the shtf or when the banks take your little nest egg(unless you have already invested wisely) You will be in the same boat as the 99%..of which you are one but you seem to think you are superior because of your wealth! Big mistake!

              • you guys have to change your value system. 2008 hit me just as hard as anyone and then i changed everything. i’m not making anywhere near 6 figures but i can still put away $3000 monthly now because i have changed my lifestyle so that i’m living monthly on a 3rd of that now. you guys hsould read early retirment extreme.

                as for the govt taking or inflating my savings for me, you can believe after 2008; i watch my savings daily and the only way the govt is taking it is by showing up with larger guns than i can defend and if they do that, there was nothing i could do anyways and all gold, silver and food stores would be taken and there couldnt be thing one i can do about it.

                • Bookmarked to read, thanks. I’ve been trying to talk hubby down from spending like he’s rich, he says I’m just a tight-wad. Well, as of Thanksgiving he will not be employed, forced VERP. lol, supposedly voluntary but the more than 1250 people in his firm who got letters know, you snooze you lose. He thinks his 401k and pension will float us fine. Right. I applaud you for what you’ve been able to do!

                • Like the man said, for most working stiffs, $3000 a month is more than their gross pay. If you’re making $100K a year maybe, but if you’re at $50K and have even one kid, you are lucky to have $30 left at the end of the month.

                  • i’m telling you if you go extreme enough, you can do it; i dont make anywhere near 100K a yr and i do it. my only debt is my mortgage, i dont spend any money during the workweek and i used to buy gas weekly, now i conserve trips well enough that its every 2 weeks.

                    also read your money or your life.

                • @Lena,

                  You need to research the Cypriots who had over half of their private savings stolen by their government recently. After that, research the Argentinians who got wiped out in 2000 during their “Bank Holiday”.

                  You do realize that the very concepts of monetary inflation and price inflation represents the worse kind of invisible taxation without representation that steals money from current and future generations slowly?

                  And let’s not forget the Obamacare Tax that the IRS can take directly from your bank account without your permission.

                  It’s good that you’re saving money for retirement, but if the government gets desperate enough we may very well see the top marginal federal income tax rates rise to over 90%, as Americans saw back in the mid-1950’s. And that was just the federal government’s tax bite!

                  Remember, Americans have figured out how to vote themselves other people’s money. This ugly Genie is out of the bottle and there’s no way of getting it back in!

                  What’s theirs, is theirs; What’s yours, may not be yours for long.

                  • i know all about that story.

                    did you also know that within the past month poland confiscated private pensions with the state pension system ?

                    believe me, i am watching and the US is not close to pullin a cyprus or gold wouldnt be down to $1300. PMs will start shooting long before that happens and my house will be full of PMs then.

                  • Lena,

                    I read about the retirement heist in Poland. Don’t confuse physical gold with paper gold. $1300/oz represents paper gold that is fraudulently traded in multiples of 100 to 1 of the underlying physical metal. If we eliminate the paper commodity fraudulently traded as gold, then we’d see just how much physical gold is really worth!

                    >>”believe me, i am watching and the US is not close to pullin a cyprus or gold wouldnt be down to $1300. PMs will start shooting long before that happens and my house will be full of PMs then.”<<

                    Don't be so sure of that Lena. There is zero correlation today between the equity markets, economy, and politics. Not with trillions of dollars of reserve capital sitting in the dealer bank books. We will not see the other shoe drop until it hits the floor and then we'll all be a lot smarter.

                    Remember, Nixon may have relaxed Executive Order 6102 signed by Roosevelt in 1933 that led to gold confiscations, but that E.O. has never been officially rescinded. To my knowledge it is still very much in effect today. Whether the government will malevolently act on it in the future remains to be seen. It all depends how long it takes for the U.S. to descend into a full blown Banana Republic Third World nation.

                  • Lena….back in April when more physical gold bullion had been sold in The previous month, the FED/SEC approached major fund managers and instructed them to push investors to sell paper gold assets. The fear was a run on the metal, and if the big time investors called In their baskets of Gold, there would not be enough physical gold to back the paper, driving prices sky high very rapidly. Someone I know very well has a relative on the street, and this is straight up. Also, if you have been involved with PMs at all over the last few years, you would know that in the last 9 months, physical price has diverged from spot prices. Just go to a coin show or dealer and see what the premiums are on bullion other than junk silver. It used to be $1.50-2.00 for one ounce silver bullion. Folks don’t blink at $6.00 & up now.

                • Lena, at some point in time (watch very closely) if you don’t have some of those frn’s converted to PMs, they’ll only be good for fire starters.

              • We are all the 1%, knock off the class warfare act. Most of the world’s population exists without clean water, available fuel, adequate housing, building codes, or more than $600 a year income.

                The poorest American is as rich as Croesus in comparison to the Third World.

                • Thank you for putting things into perspective. Billions would change places with the poorest American in a heartbeat. But we have become a spoiled nation and deserve our destruction. The 3rd world will cheer when it happens. Then more will be available to them. We are less then %5 of the world population but use 33% of it’s resources.

                  • Actually, there is a lot that we process and send out into the world and we buy what they make as well. They may cheer, but it won’t last long before they cover their mouths and say, “What now?” The pleasures of schadenfreude last only for a season.

                  • If they could switch places with americans, within 10 yrs they would make so many babies they cannot feed, america would then be the same as the 3rd world crap hole they left behind. Just look at the current crop 3rd world types scattered all over Kalif.

                    Same as africans, they all take over whats nice and good, then turn it into 3rd world crap. It is Not the location that causes such 3rd world misery. More like the DNA within all those other folks regardless if it is africa, mexico, mid east, india etc. Its the DNA not location.

                    Otherwise you never would see any “detroits” existing. Yet Every place They go, turns into a detroit or worse.

                    yeah I know stateing obvious facts makes me a vile racist. So be it I am fine with that.

                    Just do a pretend self-test…Pretend You were a teacher, teaching some class of youths, the best possible way to behave etc in order to be succesfull.

                    Would you #1 teach the class to Study africans or mexicans and Copy all they learn?

                    Or #2 would you taech the class to study White folks and copy that group? If an Honest person you will answer #2. Because thats facts and truth. Who Built places like Detroit before savage africans overran it, then slowely destroyed it? It never looked like todays ghettos prior to their invasions. One more area that again Proves its not locations that causes such destruction and Poverty, rather it Is DNA.

                    Maybe if theres a next time, and some fool gets a lib agenda type idea to import millions of savages into white nations, they can first Civilize the savages, and perhaps they can prove MY “Its the Dna stupid” theory wrong.

                    Good Luck!

                  • Had to give you a green thumb on that A.M./Them Guys.

            • That only 36 a year that isn’t that much many I know from 10 year before they started to think of retiring just started putting 50% of all pay into a retirement something. They still had to work an extra 15 years to be where they want to be in retirement income. Even 15k a month ain’t much.

              If you didn’t start in your 20 just plan on working or living on a very small income.

              • FBP, just stfu! Very few can put $15k a month away towards retirement. Again you are being foolish. You are just a blowhard, and probably some loser in momma’s basement.

                • FBP, I have a few things to enlighten you on.

                  Those of us whom are self-sufficient or working towards that goal will not need a high income to survive. A very small income will be quite sufficient.

                  With what is heading down our pipes, it is doubtful that a high income is going to be worth shit, when no one will trade you a can of beans for an ounce of gold. This has been clarified by the previous commenter’s, suggesting to lena to start investing her money in something other than “savings”.

                  If you truly have enough income to set back $15k a month, then you would be intelligent enough to know that you are a very rare breed, and suggesting others to do the same would be asinine.

                  If you didn’t have enough income to set back $15k a month and wanted to look like an internet hot-shot, then you WOULD suggest to others that to set back $15k a month “aint much.”

                  Your grammar is absolutely horrible, and half of your postings are unintelligible, leading me to believe that you are no where near who you say you are.

                  You are weak and have no self-worth, so you have to have a fake persona on the internet, and try to belittle others whom are working to better themselves.

                  Anytime anyone suggests a solution, you tell them “lead the way”. This in itself implies that you are weak and need a leader, because you are just too cowardly yourself to make your own path.

                  I could go on, but that is all for now.

                  • How does my grammer and abilty to use a small little phone to show my level of success in this world.

                    I think you are some one who just didn’t make it and is now chossing to bitch about it to much.. Oh its the Jews fault Forgot.

                    And you are right I never wasted time in school. I just did it.

                  • Here here Outlaw well said! Just hangin here in south west PA, and trying to figure out facebook/zuckerburghs angle. Hope all the real preppers are keepin on!

                  • I would suggest that your inability to use such a common technology of a “small little phone” and your inability to construct simple intelligible sentences would indicate a lot about your intelligence and success.
                    I never mentioned anything about you “wasted time in school” so I would also suggest that your inability to read also indicates your intelligence and success level.
                    I would also suggest the fact you are accessing SHTFPlan on a “small little phone” instead of a large flat screen monitor connected to a computer may indicate your financial success.

                  • FBP could easily be that illiterate and still put away $15,000 a month if he’s dealing drugs in some inner city.

                    Just sayin’

                • It does show that if your incomes are that not of at least 6 figures that does show what shape everyone is in. What are we then trying to save then.

                  If no one is able TO take care of themselves why try.

                  Or is SHIF commenter all the people just above the SNAPER and just below the producers.

                  • Did I hit a nerve.

                  • Maybe one day you are going to hit a buried 15kv electric cable. Do crispy Facebook Pages taste good with ketchup?

              • Facebook!
                Ask jack lew, jamie dimon, lloyd blankfien, ben shalom bernanke, timmie the tit geithner, hank the tank paulson, or zuckerbergh/facebook, who took the average American’s money?…I’ll bet a mercuty dime that they wouldn’t say it was the Amish:-) Loaning money at interest….hmmm who could possibly conjure up such a madoff ponzi?…I’ll bet it’s the samoans:-)

                • I agree interest and leaning of money should not be allowed. ”

                  If you can afford it you don’t get it. Period.

                • Amen Rich. Another Awake American who detected the cancer.

                  • Rich: are all those names you named that elusive bunch of “Moooooslims” that a poster close to the Top of replies says are going to take over america after hobammy destroys the economy?

                    If Thats Moooslims named? Then I need scrap two decades research on all the zionists jewish folks that have taken over america the past 100 yrs.

                    Who would ever guess a name like Finestien or Bloomberg was actually “code” for muslims?

                    This Must also mean that 1918 russian revolt was really Muslims who killed a couple hundred million folks when overtaking russia eh. IE: Trotsky=moooslim right?

                    So then it must be that with a name such as Mohhamed al aquaba ak baka akak abba akba, Thats really them sneeky jews right?

                    Whats next? New dna info will Prove the reason they are called “Mooooslims” are because they evolved from early Eskimos screwing alaskan Moose’s? hence the name Moooslim?

              • @fbp fagboypuss you’re like that glob of dog doo doo i step occasionally in walking on the park path by my house .


                if you continue to daily stalk harass annoy @Ms. Daisy i will deal with you personally face to face in a manner you will never forget .

                * it’s good to have friends in law enforcement .

                keep it up @fbp fagboypuss and i’ll make sure i swing by olympia , wa , the new v.a. clinic i’m sure you are now a patient of and pay you a visit next i visit Ms. Daisy .

                i’ll be looking for you at the next gun show .

                see you soon @fagboypuss ((+))

                N.O. ;0P

                • Since the Lewis County SHerriff would never associate with someone like you

                  The Law enforcement threat carries no threat.

                  And all the 3 letter ones remember are looking at you not me.

                  And yes would love to have a face to face with you at the show there. Tables in the rear.

                  And I will be sure that my health is in between us also.

                  And if you remember you were the dipshit with Burt that said to put my money where my mouth was and supply her with self defence equipment when she made it to her new home.

                  • Heath Not an issue when we are together.

                  • Except the ATF They are worried about a rusty 45-70 in your hands .

                  • Are not

            • Saving is not an option, the purchasing power of the dollar is going to be crashed also. There is no way out of this situation and the best option is to leave the country.

              • I am new on this webb. I agree with some of you, but leaving the U.S.A., is the coward way out.

                • James: It depends on what you have to lose. My spouse’s grandmother got shipped to America as a young teenager to save her from Hitler. Her father died during the war/her mother survived it. BUT the war terrified my spouse’s grandmother so thoroughly that she wouldn’t go back to Europe even to claim a large inheritance.

                  If you have kids, I wouldn’t blame anybody for taking them to a safe haven. The spouse and I are old enough to know that what is coming will be our last stand…but stand we will~~

                  • Die on your feet, or live on your knees. Choice of one.

            • While many have stated the obvious, that it is probably not a good idea to save cash, lena is in a very fortunate position to have so much surplus. Instead of bashing him/her, how about gently guiding him/her towards what he/she should be doing with that surplus cash?

              • @Outlaw; This is one of your best postings. It speaks of community and unity. There are many who post on this site, perhaps they are trolls, who seek to divide and assert themselves saying, it is “my way, or the highway”. We all need encouragement, the prospects for the future and the prognostications for the future are scary enough. Hope springs eternal! Let’s try to reach out to each other, rich, poor, educated, uneducated, what does it really matter? You bleed the same way I bleed and your s#*t stinks the same as mine. Your experience and insight is valuable to me and may someday save my life. Thank you.

                @Lena: We say, “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.” You are fortunate to be one of those who can put away so much each month but no one’s future is completely secure. Go ahead, “Make hay while the sun shines”. The night is coming. You are to be greatly commended in doing what you are doing. Remember though, that when the time comes that you start withdrawing from your retirement accounts, the government will tax you.

                When I was young and travelling the world, a dear friend who helped build many of the sky-scrapers in Singapore told me, “Always save at least 10% of your earnings. Keep it in a safe place and let it accrue. If you only make 10 dollars, save 1 dollar. Make it a habit.” I have tried to live by that tenet. I am still not where I can say that I am comfortable regarding retirement but I am comforted that there is something to fall back on when hard times hit. I also am a big believer in prepping and yes, get ready for the Zombies, for surely they will come. It is just a matter of time. Invest in things that will last and be prepared to rotate those essentials that do not last for more than a year or less. Start networking with others and teach others about the wisdom of saving and prepping. Don’t forget that it is important to learn new skills, the survival skills of the old-timers and the survival skills of the young ones, the millennials. You are to be commended. What is in your mind may be more important than what you have. No one can take away your education or your experience. Always, take time to smell the flowers, appreciate beauty and relish life to its full!

            • Like Whoopdy indicates…I sure hope you put that in tangible assets…water purification, food, protection,non gmo seeds,warm clothing, multipurpose tools etc etc…

              you can’t store enough frn’s to keep you warm or even boil water…

            • Why give the guy/gal grief about saving $3K a month? Probabaly works his rear off to do so. I did that too for a while so I could afford to move my family out of the city. Rode a bicycle to work, among other things, to be able to do it. People in expensive vehicles passed me on the road, but my guess is those people are still on their treadmills complaining about the rat race.

              Off topic but I really wanted to thank the people on this site. We are experiencing a blizzard right now. Power is out. Thank goodness for cell phones or I couldn’t post this. I am hardly super prepper. However, I had the five gallon gas cans on hand to fill early this morning. There was a generator in the garage ready to go. Power crews are being recalled until tomorrow because conditions are too bad for them to be out. My wife should be flipping out but she isn’t. She knows we have all of our bases covered. We are enjoying the quiet in the house, except for when we hear a tree limb break outside. If not for this site I know we wouldn’t be prepared for something like this.

              We will take turns monitoring the generator through the night.

              Notes to self; keep a better eye on the batteries drawer. We have no D cells. Also, electric garage doors don’t respond when there is no power. Do not store a rototiller in front of the back entrance.

              Thanks, all.

              • Hey good luck obtuse. The first big snow storms are really great and invigorating. Then the reality of winter kinda socks you in the gut. And good Lord all the black snow/ice of February really becomes a pain:-) Good luck to you and yours, and pick up the entire foxfire series of books….not knowing your level of preparedness, cause there are lot’s of nifty gems to be mined from foxfire collection!

              • Stay safe and warm! Your post is the perfect example of the necessity of prepping. BTDT, and a show stopping snow storm in Arkansas really IS a SHTF situation.

              • Why would you keep the genny running all night?

                The fridge will keep until morning… trust me..

                • Michael, about 4:30am. Didn’t keep the generator running all night as the temp in the house didn’t merit it. My concern was frozen pipes, and there was no risk of that. Have it running now, mainly for the coffee pot. Gotta find one of those old style perculators at garage sales this next spring.

                  Don’t have to worry about anyone stealing the generator, as the roads are absolutely impassable. The trees still had their leaves, and the snow has been wet and heavy. Major tree damage, and that is what seems to be taking down power lines.

                  I heard there were tornadoes south of here in Nebraska last night. Trying to get news from the radio now. I can power up the TV, but the satellite dish is buried in snow so there is no signal. We are safe and warm, and I have my coffee, so life is good.

              • Hey, thank you for the update and the insight. It is very valuable and encouraging. Good luck. I lived up north once, but, much prefer the weather down here, even with the hurricanes and storm watches, and flooding. Karen is on our doorstep now and we thought we had escaped the season. Good luck, Obtuse.

            • Shit happens,
              Just the way it goes.

            • Im glad for you, but many don’t make that much total in three months so its not so easy easy to sock it away…nice idea…good idea…just not practical for many… 🙁

              • Hey Reb, ultimately, it is not so much “how much” but that you are putting a certain minimal percentage away for that rainy day. People who put away a lot of money are also the ones who spend a lot and a lot is being taken away from them. Unfortunately, most of those who make a lot don’t know how to “make do”. There are so many things that we have come to think we absolutely must have but in reality we really do not need. Good luck in your preps and plans.

            • Multitudes of us wish we HAD $3000 every month. You sound like a very arrogant, and selfish person at best.

          • Since we are looking at war of some sort…


            This may very well be the best thought out item we have read since 9/11/01.
            Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan … what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.
            I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here’s one plan.

            1. The US will apologize to the world for our “interference” in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosovich and the rest of those ‘good ole boys, ‘We will never “interfere” again.

            2. We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don’t want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence.

            3. All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We’ll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them.

            4. All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don’t like it there, change it yourself and don’t hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don’t need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

            5. No “students” over age 21. The older ! ones are the bombers. If they don’t attend classes, they get a “D” (for “deport”) and it’s back home baby.

            6. The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing non-polluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

            7. Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don’t like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

            8. If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not “interfere.” They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, ! rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

            9. Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don’t need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

            10. All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us “Ugly Americans” any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH…..learn it…or LEAVE…
            Now, ain’t that a winner of a plan.

            “The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying “Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.” She’s got a baseball bat and she’s yelling, “You want a piece of me?”

            I know some have seen this before, but he does have a point….

            • solid plan , I say we go with it

              • Yental:

                We both know that “their god” doesn’t ever want peace.

                • POG, They actually they do want peace but only after they kill unarmed Palestinian children and destroy the economies for 99% of the world.

                  • Yes Sir Tactical!
                    “The learned elders of zion” “protocals”
                    Pretty much a game plan! If enough facebooks wake up we may have a chance to derail such plans, but I really don’t count on it. So were left much like the poor elderly person committed to assisted living that sits in their chair murmuring about things no one cares about. I suppose in a sense we have become “obsolete” or so it often seems! But no matter I’ll sing it from the top of the tree’s so all may hear:-)

                • This is a revealing and damning indictment of Zionism. ME pointing this fact out is more “offensive”, for MANY, than the content and related facts that CONDEMN the ZIONIST AGENDA.

                  That FACT says everything necessary related to this issue.

            • I never saw it. Glad you posted it. 🙂

          • What is good for the goose is good for the gander!

        • I wish I could borrow money, give everyone IOU’s, and they would use those IOU’s as MONEY when they buy and sell to each other! What an awesome scam that would be.

        • Many do.

      3. Took more than a generation to creat this mess, I’m a little annoyed with the breathless predictions it will take a generation or more to fix it. Duh,ya think?

      4. I just hope I make it to the other side. This slow boil is killing me. Although there are always more preps to be made, at this point I am exhausting them as fast as I can replace them. With the economy in decline, I don’t think there is much more I can do until “crunch time” hits. Everything will change then.

        • Just want to put some feelers out there…
          I would like to start a weekday talk show / commentary / podcast sort of deal similar to what Henry Shivley is doing. Of course with a complementary website to go along with it.
          Is there anyone here who would be interested in collaborating on a project like this? I don’t think we would get rich by any means, more like a hobby.
          Also thoughts on this are welcome?
          Thanks and if anyone is serious, maybe we could get in touch.

          • Outlaw.
            I did a show on the Prepare broadcasting, (Common Scene Preparer) for about three months, Had to give it up because they changed my schedule at my P.D. The other problem was you were only given a hour to do the show and you couldn’t get everything in and talk to folks that were calling in.
            I would like to help. What can I do? I was only doing this as a hobby.

          • I set up a burner email
            [email protected]
            Give me a shout Sgt. and anyone else who may be interested in this or just chatting off of the board here.

            • I wouldn’t consider gmail a ‘burner’. Google most certainly records the IP you’re connecting from. Probably forever. They can easily do a geo look up of that IP and get your general local. Thanks to their wifi sniffing camera cars they probably have a general idea of what neighborhoods or even houses depending on how insecure things are certain IP ranges are associated with.

              Pick a smaller email provider, one that doesn’t have the resources to track you forever due to storage costs. Then only use the TOR Browser to access it. Never connect through your phone, or from a browser that’s not put through the The Onion Router network.

              As it turns out the NSA still hasn’t broken TOR in a reliable consistent fashion. For now.

              I’d also strongly advise using a 4096 bit encryption on your emails and just publish your public key somewhere that people can get to it so they can send you emails.

              Just my .02 from doing this kind of thing for the last 23 years.

              • Good points HisArmsWide! I guess I am no longer proficient in tech lingo. I heard someone on here mention a burner email, and thought I’d be cool and repeat it. I thought it meant, a temp email address you just set up to get email when you are posting on a public board. I see gmail is not temp and I stand corrected. I am no longer extremely tech savvy and that is only a part of the help that I hope to collaborate with. I would like to build a team of few people minimum to make it happen. Lessen the burden on each and have some fun together maybe. If you are in any way interested, and there is a better way for us to communicate, please let me know how, I would much appreciate it! 🙂

                • Oh yeah, I wanted to add, that I respect everyone’s privacy here. On the other hand, I no longer feel as if I have any privacy. I have no facebook or twitter, but I feel we are long past needing to hide or remain anonymous. It is time to stand up and be counted. Therefore I do not worry about using gmail, ustream, etc. against them. Is it risky? probably. We are so far backed into a corner that I dont know what else to do except to reach out.

                  • Outlaw.

                    I quit using filters, firewall, anti-spy, etc, a few years ago.

                    My computer(s) runs great, actually better.

                    I have never had a virus since. And, because the gov owns all this stuff, trust me they have all the stuff.

                    so who cares.

                    If you are free, you have to live free as well.

                  • Outlaw: All of you who seek and speak the Truth, they are going to call you a racist nazi antisemite no matter What. So, you may as well go All Out! incogman 2000

      5. sad to say but what needs to happen is let it fail and start over ! clean house of al the corrupt scumbags and with most of the debt erased we can begin again and this time maybe we can keep the scum out of office !! this will be the most painless and ONLY way to clean up our government!

        • I agree, its just taking soooo damn long to fail…

          • Good. The ones just waking up need more time. As torturous as it seems, being awake and just waking are two different time zones.

            Good Luck Newbies, and God Bless!

        • Need term limits for all thos Congress critters.

          • We don’t need term limits, just start using rope for Treason and everything will work itself out. 🙂

            • Well said Iowa.

          • after the reboot…no chance of it being viable now…

        • Apache54, you’re right on target. The debt can never realistically be repaid anyway. Clean house and start all over from scratch is the only hope I see for this nation.

      6. Just borrowing more money that can never be paid back. They creditors will catch up to them eventually. Look at history. Every great empire collapses, it looks like its our time next because of the poor management of our country over many years. It looks like everything is finally coming to a head.

        • not so fast……..
          TPTB know that the US is exceptional because of our brilliant constitution and bill of rights .
          A financial collapse cant take that away , unless WE let that happen .
          The UN is already drafting ‘amendments” that they want to see to our constitution and john kerry has already signed one , we need to make sure that these are never ratified by the house.
          Let the economy collapse , as long as the constitution remaains law of the land all these asshat wanna be dictators can do is bully us and hope for submission.
          As far as i am concerned , submission is not an option .

      7. I feel much better since the day I decided to give up on hope.

        • And many are joining you.. those will be the one that will hopefully just sit down and die and not join the horde.

          • Facebook Page.

            Never underestimate the situation.

            You could be chasing someone Rambo style and then trip on a log and bean your head on a rock; and then perish right there. You never know. Just think. All that training, all that prepping, all those pushups and it was a log and a rock that got you.

            You need to realize anything can happen.

            Just because I gave up on hope does not mean that I am not preparing. If you have some hope, then let me hear it.

            Thanks. Good luck on the future.

        • Giving up on hope is certainly a lot more stress free way of life. I have long been of the opinion that everything that can go wrong will go wrong. I live by it. That way when things do work out I can be happy – happy! But when they do go wrong I can always say “I told you so”.


          • BigB.

            You don’t have to say ‘I told you so’ because I already know. The USA has zero chance of recovery. Therefore I have given up hope on Americans changing this system. Therefore, I am just going prepare for it.

            Talk to any American about the debt and see what answer you get.

            Let me explain it with math:

            In reality, there are 80 million primary Americans that pay about 90% of all the taxes in the USA. Lets’ say the ACA costs each of the 80 million about $3,000 per month. This collection comes to $2.8T. Cant pay! Then there is $2.8T in home values.

            They are printing phony money at over $1T per year.

            The reason why there is no paper bills after 2009 is because the currency is crashing. We are witnessing the death of paper and the beginning of all transaction in electronic form.

            Nothing is getting fixed. A few of us know that.

            Now that I have give up hope, I feel much better. I feel great! I jog 5 days a week. I even bought my first shortwave radio. I’m getting ready.

            Good luck with everything. Wish you well.

            • Rest well Ugly God Bless.


        • Steve Taylor fan? “Since I Gave Up Hope I feel a Lot Better” from his album “I Predict 1990”

          • Steve Taylor?

            Did you mean Steve Tyler?

      8. Bring it on and get it going please. We have waited for the moment of the truth for long time while the criminals stole everything and left us with pain and misery.

      9. If you’re not prepping by this point there’s something wrong. It’s impossible to convince some people but get as many of your friends, family, neighbors as possible. It’s coming now, no matter what they do. Just a matter of time.

        • My neighbor still thinks my house is gonna be her shopping mall—boy, is she in for a rude awakening! Unfortunately, I couldn’t hide my cat supplies, because I ran out of room. Almost every available inch of space is filled with preps, and then some.

          • I have met people that say that about folks they know just barely that prep. It’s sad, really sad.

          • Does your cat have a stash of mice and catnip hidden away?

            • He has a couple of pounds of catnip, some toys, 170 pounds of dry food, 10 cases of canned and 400 pounds of kitty litter. Then 2 yrs+ worth of flea drops, ear mite medicine and vitamins. I’ve provided enough extra water rations, just for him, for about a year.

              I can eat berries, dandelions, pine nuts and even worms if I had to, but he’s rather limited to what he can eat. There are so many wild cats around here, I figure there won’t be a lot of mice and bugs left.

              My little buddy is a member of my family, and I prepped for him as such, complete with a new carrier and leash in case we have to leave in a hurry.

              • I like cats too although I think they taste a lot like chicken

                • Maybe so, but I never crap in my own backyard and I never turn on family…no matter what.

          • Have her work for you for food. Start her digging a hole in the back yard for whatever needs buried.

      10. Nothing that we didn’t already know. I expected it would implode long before now. It seen that they can keep propping up the economy and delaying it collapse . I suppose the longer the delay the bigger the crash. Im out of debt. Yet I see folks building like crazy. I seen new houses being built in subdivisions that have vacant homes in them? Up the road a ways Two different farmers are constructing chicken growing houses. Those houses cost a $100,000 each to build. The are each building 4 houses? WalMart was packed full of folks filling carts yesterday. The number of cars on the road is the same. I have noticed a decrease in freight trucks. For all appearances its business as usual here?

        • The WalMart part is due to it being early in the month and the EBT cards were just refilled. Visit a Walmart on the last few days of the month and they are usually pretty empty. I’m not just talking out my ass on this, nope. My wife and I tested our theory for 3 months in a row. We would go to the local WalMart at 11:30pm on the last day of the month. What we saw was funny and disgusting at the same time.

          People were coming into the store just before midnight, loading up their carts and then go park somewhere in the store. Just after midnight, they would all check their balance on their phones. I’m guessing their is a web site to do that at, why not, right? Anyway, by usually 10 minutes after midnight on the first day of the month, every register line would be pretty well mobbed up. Your tax dollars hard at work. Lovely, isn’t it?

          As for the rest, yeah, people are building on debt. Suckers they are smoking too much of the Hopium.

          • Seein the same thing here old guy, it bewilders me. As for the Wal-Mart thing, I think Joe Republic nailed that one.

            • I know one of the guys that is building $400,000 worth of chicken houses. I told him im not in debt. He stated that as long as he made his payments he didn’t consider himself in debt. When I laughed and stated what if something happens and you don’t make the payments. He stated he started out with nothing so he had nothing to lose. I suppose it takes a certain type of tunnel vision mentality to cope with astounding debt. He also stated he never worrys about how much he owes. He just worrys about borrowing more? He stated if your smart you will borrow all you can and let inflation make you a millionaire?

              • I bet a lot of joe six packs feel the same way after loosing alot in the recession
                Little to loose now but their temper

              • I here that mentality from farmers around here all the time .
                Go big or get out .
                I dont see the logic in it either , but hey, it is still the home of the brave ( to be in debt).

                • Lots of dairy farmers down here in Tasmania tried that, with plenty of encouragement from a certain Dutch agricultural bank. One wet winter was all it took, and 4 years later everyone is touting dairy as the next big thing because a new milk powder plant has been built and a cheese factory has been rebuilt bigger and better. Both with overseas money to supply overseas markets.

                  I have close friends who drank the cool-aid and are now 60 something debt slaves who have to get clearance from the bank to repair farm implements. Their farm is on the market and has been for 3 years, with no buyers in sight.
                  I am picking there are buyers out there waiting for the market to bottom out, and that event is going to happen when the US economy defaults.

                  It is a paradigm whose time has been and now gone. Official interest rates here are down to 2.25%, mortgage rates are the lowest in sixty years, and the builders are still not hiring. That tells you that people can see too much risk in the economy.

                  • yup , i am a builder and a farmer, double jeopardy LOL!
                    This is the global economy everybody wanted.
                    well here the f##k it is .
                    Family farms will have to rise again or all hope is lost.
                    It sounds bad , but i believe it is true.
                    best of luck to you .

                • hammerhead wrote, “I here that mentality from farmers around here all the time. Go big or get out.”

                  I wonder if that’s what they said in the 1980’s during the ‘Farm Crisis” too?

              • That only works if you are using venture capital. If you win you win big or loose nothing. Donald Trump always uses other people’s “Investors” money. That little disclaimer at the bottom always covers his butt.

                • Just make sure John Corzine doesn’t run the VC since if he does you won’t get shit.

            • We’re going party like it 1929 baby !!!!

          • @ JR- you’re absolutely right. In fact, Walmart refers to it as “second week” sales. The fact is, their sales drop as much as 50% in the second half of the month compared to the first. They schedule, order and stock around this also.

          • I believe you. The CEO of Wal-Mart said earlier this year that their customers were running out of money before the end of the month.

            • Barn Cat
              Don’t you mean that they were running out of OUR money before the end of the mount?
              CAT CW Out Joe
              I’ve seen the same thing. Some of the stuff they are buying is top line for Wal-Mart. Some of the things cost more than I would spend. What really pissed me off was the candy and junk they would buy.
              Could you imagine what would happen if there was glitch, and it was down for a few days. Wal-Mart and the rest of them would BURN. There would a ZOMBIE attack like you have never seen. We could only get so lucky!!!

              • I have a stepson who has gotten food stamps because he has crohn’s disease and has a hard time keeping a job. Once they see how often he has to run to the bathroom he either gets fired or he has his hours cut.

                • Barn.
                  That B.S. He wants to work and more than likely a hard worker. The ones that are too damn lazy to work get all the good stuff

                • There is much evidence (non government) that suggests the best remedy for crohns disease is cannabis.

                  • Actually a diet in unprocessed nutrient dense foods works , vegetables cooked soft , red meat a no no only in moderation , lean protein ( chicken , fish, etc) , fish oil supplements help with the inflammation , try foods to see what bothers you then avoid them , AVOID MILK , eat smaller meals rather than a few larger meals . Drink plenty of water .

                    See if this helps if he’s not getting any relief he should talk to his MD and have his medications changed.

                    This condition was rather rare years ago but has been increasing in the general population ,
                    It usually manafests It self in the late teen years to early thirties. There is no known cause it is considered an auto immune disease of the digestive system. Some studies have liked it to environmental causes i.e. genetically engineered foods or depending on his age exposure to Nuclear Fallout ingestation when young. It’s cause is still considered uknown origion. In the early 1960’s Rome NY, parts of Pennsylvania, NJ , and Ohio experienced a rain out event from an atmospheric nuclear test. I believe a book was written out this called SECRET FALLOUT it is available free on line .

                    Marenol only works for acute attacks when your insides are so inflamed you can not keep anything down due to vomiting.

                    This is a SERIOUS condition that can be life threatening if left untreated ssek medical help for acute flair up incidences .

                    You have to keep a positive attitude and live for the time between the flair ups which can occur at anytime without warning through no fault of your own.

                    Semper Fi 8541

                  • link : http://www.ki4u.com/secretfallout.pdf

                    Our country exploded enough devices in Nevada above ground to equal a limited nuclear exchange.

                    Semper Fi 8541

                  • No way. Drugs are for losers. No better way to look 60 when you’re 45.

              • Maybe you wouldn’t be so sarcastic if you were on food stamps.

                • Most of Shitcago has no sense of humor. My wife and I have no degree and we’ve never been on food stamps. STFU!

                  They voted for slavery and dependence is the bed they lay on. STFU SLAVES!

                  I see signs on the road saying REAL MEN WORKING!


                    No sympathy here.

                  • Iowa wrote, “I see signs on the road saying REAL MEN WORKING!”

                    Ha! Now that’s funny. One man holding a handle to a shovel, and another ten watching.

                • Barn Cat.

                  We are not talking about people who need it and do not abuse it. Yes they are entitled to the better food.

                  I am talking about those who fill the shopping baskets up with all sorts of high price meat and gadgets only to clog the line because they have to put things back for they over ran the card. Sometimes TWO shopping baskets. Their peanut brains have a hard time figuring out what they want/need. Then they use other cards and cash as they pull from the overpriced cart.

                  • That just suggests to me, that those people didn’t stay in school long enough to learn basic math…and yet we turn them loose with an EBT card.

                • Barn
                  I wasn’t being SARCASTIC. What I was trying to say is that your Stepson is more than likely a good hard worker.
                  What I was saying was The too lazy to work (not your stepson) gets all the good stuff. on the back of the hard workers in this country.
                  Sorry you took it that way.
                  By the way I was on food stamps back in 1984 for three month, I worked 3 different jobs to make ends meet to get off of them. I finally got a job as a Police Officer just making minimum wage. So little that my kids only had to pay 1/2 price for their lunches at school.
                  I pray that he gets control of his crohn’s.

                  • Sgt. Dale wrote, “I was on food stamps back in 1984 […] I finally got a job as a Police Officer”

                    Yeah, so things never changed for you I see.
                    …Well, except you get to bust some skulls for free.

                    Seriously, did you not understand you never went off food stamps by getting that job?

                  • Ahhh, clark, the milk of human kindness just flows from you, doesn’t it? What if Sgt Dale really is one of us? A prepper who’s working his ass off trying to be as ready as possible for an uncertain future. And what if he really isn’t the type to use his badge to abuse innocent people?
                    I’m no big fan of cops myself, but I have met a few who are actual human beings. Maybe Sgt dale is one of those.
                    And, are you implying that everyone in law enforcement is nothing but a welfare mooch? Surely you aren’t a full fledged anarchist, are you? Personally, I AM an anarchist… but only on Saturday nights!

                  • Smokin
                    Thanks for the bcckup!
                    Clark has an opinion of me and that is his right. Even though he dosen’t know me. He is entirled to it.
                    You my friend are right. I learned in Sunday school to TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED! Also not to Judge! That is how I try to live my life.
                    I have on two occasions lost it and smack the s#$t out of a Turd after he told me he was going to rape and kill my daughters, and the other turd that told me knew where I lived and told me that I would come home from work and find my wife dead after he had blank up the Blank To graphic I’m sorry but that is the truth. Not bad for 30 years as a Cop.
                    I also told them that if they come with 25 feet of my family that they where going to meet Jesus.
                    Clark if we meet you might find out that you are wrong, I do this job to try to make a difference in the world, even though the difference maybe small.
                    As a Preparer. Been doing this for about 30 years now. I learned a long time ago to always be prepared!!! Goes back to when I lost my full time job, and had to go on food stamps.

                  • Smokin:
                    Thanks for the back up.
                    Clark has a right to think what he wants about me. He is wrong and you hit the nail right on the head.
                    I was raise and learned in Sundy school TO DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU, AND NOT TO JUDGE. That is how I try to live my life.
                    As far as becominmg a cop. My idea was to try to make the world a better place. I know it is only a little bit I can do, but I’m doing something!
                    Again my FRIEND thanks!

            • When people buy jugs of Sunny Delight and Koolaid instead of concentrate and powder they spend inefficiently. When they buy ready made bakery items instead of flour, sugar, etc. they also waste resources. SNAP has instructional materials to help people make the most of their aid (not to mention several mentions in the literature that this is a supplement, not provision for their full need) and part of it is the advice we used to get in school about shopping the perimeter of the store first. That’s where the least processed and better value foods are located. A lot of those on SNAP have no clue about anything in life, and thus they run out their EBT before the month is out and think that they are starving.

              Maybe related- I noticed at the food pantry that the pickings were slim the first week of the month. Also the store seems to be running out of sales items quickly this week. I wonder about later in the month?

          • You’re right.

            I have tested this as well.

            People pour into the Walmart an hour before their cards are filled up..

            Fill their carts… Baby food, diapers…etc…

            Then sit around waiting for midnight. then mob the check out lines

            It’s creepy as hell…

            • If they are on welfare, then they have no business having children.

              If they are having children in order to collect welfare, then the politicians need to eradicate that circumstance as a qualification to receive welfare. This is a national security problem which must be addressed, and fast.

              Every intelligent, well educated person in this country knows this to be true. Granted, some of the politicians are not the brightest bulbs on the tree, but most of them are well educated. Certainly they can see the peril in paying people to have children they otherwise could not afford. So why has this welfare-for-illegitimate-babies gone on so long and what is it going to take to stop it?

              Our nation’s resources just cannot continue to feed, clothe and shelter these rising numbers of people making babies for whom they cannot provide — ever. This notion of having a child out of wedlock and then asking the taxpayers to pay for all of the resulting costs has become merely a scam. And it’s been happening for at least 30 years. Where have the adults in our government been? Why hasn’t something been done to stop it? Why isn’t anything being done now to stop it?

              This is not a matter of compassion or sympathy or not passing judgment on the “mistakes” of others. This is a matter of overpopulating our land mass and destabilizing the very fabric of our society. It is long past time to pass judgment and put a stop to it.

              • With the quality of what we have in DC , I won’t be surprised if some of them might be the actual daddy’s of children out of wedlock and then asking the taxpayers to pay. Unless they go to some island and get it on with young prostitutes like that POS Mendez or Menandez.

              • Irreversable surgical sterilization of da baby daddy and baby momma, would reduce the number of lazy and stupid people in America. Sterilization should be carried out after the first bastard ghetto child is shat in to the world. Welfare programs run counter to survival of the fittest as such programs allow persons of lessor intellect and ambition to pass on their defective genes to the next generation.

        • OLD GUY









          • Good luck defending those vast acres of dirt when the crunch comes down FBP. Also good luck collecting rent after the crunch. You are so full of shit I think we need to call the honey truck to get you pumped out.

            • Dirt doesn’t have to be defended.

              It will be there after the reset.

              Dirt defends itself.

              And the building are easy to rebuild.

              • Plus all this doesn’t mean shit.

                Today a man felt it was necessary to burn himself alive in DC.

                I don’t care his reason but if someone in this country finally got to the point this was his way to handle thing we are what.

                I thought this was the tactic of Tibetan monk to protest death in a dark third world.

                Pass the banana Welcome to the upcoming party.

                And Outlaw I am sorry you wasted your life not succeeding in life.
                But my children will need someone to work the field in the reset so don’t worry we will find you work.

                • All I have left to say to you FBP is lololol! Good luck and good day sir!

          • that’s great if its your own money your spending. However when your borrowing and receive a government guaranteed loan. you also pay interest and insurance in addition to taxes.

            • Complete agree use only ypour own weatlh to.

              Savings never include a bank

          • Muck, huh? If you are in my area you should me more worried about the locals. . . IJS You won’t be feeling the same way about ammo when they come refuse to leave their rental and there’s no more EBT.

            • If it get to that point I let them stay. Maybe the building will survive the reset.

              I will still own all the weath in the dirt. \\\\\\\

              And I have/been a Slumlord for a long time.
              There is always someone willing to go evict them for a paycheck.

              Like maybe a free place to live and free food from the fields.

            • Plus if they don’t have their EBT
              They starve
              They Die
              I only have to have it cleaned up.

              • Or they could kill you for what little you have.

              • It may take 5 years but the dirt will still be there. I/my family can wait them out.

                I will stay out of there way until they kill each other or everything reset and inproves.

      11. a little to little way too late,, well for some of us paying attention that is

      12. Yep now they tell us. They been lying for years now. Precious metal folks! Precious metal! Silver, Gold, Brass, Lead you are going to need them. The feds didn’t buy all that AMMO and ARMORED VEHICLE for nothing!
        Remember folks they always tell us what is going to happen, then they set on it for a while then if comes to pass. They do this because the every day American will read this, and tomorrow they will forget it, because there will be some type of False Flag, some sports team wins, Lohan or Syris will do something stupid.
        Then when it comes they say oh I forgot, I want to go into a FEMA CAMP.
        Stay Prepared. I know I say this all the time. Damn it! I don’t my friends here and in my group or your group to get hurt. Sleep with one eye open.
        God bless

      13. Ziggy Brz. is 85 and other Elite (David R’feller 98,H. Kissinger 89, etc) are real old and want to see their agenda kick in soon. People out spending on new TV’s, furniture, etc as stuff wears out. Detailed good article on the common sense show website (was posted on Steve
        Q also) with Ziggy’s photo a few days back (oct 2d); sent it out to others. Loaded up on canned stuff today and keep rotated. That article says it all in detail so please check it out.

        • laura m…….People are informed these days. The satanic names you provided will take their planned agenda to their graves in hell. They have so much blood on their hands that even hell may not grant them an entry.

        • anyone here ever see the (unfortunately) premature obit for Soros that Reuters posted? I grabbed a screenshot of it, so whenever I’m having a really crappy day, I can open it up and suddenly everything is better! Well, for a moment anyway!

        • laura

          While out procuring canned goods etc..I noticed the price of chicken.

          1.99# for whole roasters
          2.49# for thighs

          I don’t know about the rest of you folks out there,but here in NewEngland the prices have skyrocketed in the last few weeks..


        • they’re all so old, sometimes I wonder if they aren’t really a robot filling the original skin. If nothing else, it shows us what REAL medicine can do—for those who can pay bundles of cash for it, that is.

        • That’s OK, I’m a libertarian who doesn’t believe in Jesus, but I’m here, too. Granted, I don’t say much for fear of retribution.

          • Don’t live in fear, Plato, when your time comes, it comes. What you do between now and then determines who you really are.

            No fear.
            No regrets.

      14. A wise man whispered in my ear recently a partial solution/lesson to the current on-going purposeful tragedy…..attach liens on Congressional pensions for the benefit of we the slaves.

      15. Working in the grocery business,I’ve seen a decrease in customers since obamacare went active.And the customers that are buying,are buying canned goods,and sale items.This includes our senior shoppers.
        Obamacare is the nail in the coffin for the u.s. that we once knew.

      16. The collapse of the dollar will be the biggest disaster in human history. You won’t be able to buy food or gasoline. Electricity will be shut down once most people can’t pay their electric bills. No police or fire protection. No city water. After all that happens I expect 90% of Americans to die in the following year from thirst, starvation and the violence that will follow. We’re looking at a complete collapse of the economy, society, and the rule of law.

          • So then all those 1000+ Prez Exec orders to take control of Nations elec Grid, food processings, gasoline, oil, etc etc are Just for…Show? They really do not plan to keep things running during a collapse?

            I aint buying that. Those exec orders were all signed to be used if necessary. Yes some go too far. But some are mainly to use as back ups for any emergencys that may happen. We will still have elec grid even if money collapse occures. And most other items will go on.

            Why would the eleits collapse themselves after doing so much to Become eliets? Everything I have ever read of their plans conssit of Orderly, Non violent, takeover total control of entire world. Non violent as far as Western nations that is. Especially america.

            Those eliets are Greedy and Evil yes. But they are NOT stupid. They wont collapse themselves and they have no other places to go today where folks wont hunt them down if they do the unthinkable.

      17. A lot of politicians and bankers need to start hanging for their crimes against the American people. They’ve gone on far to long without being held accountable.

      18. The picture of the ship is incorrect. That ship is already sunk. It is laying somewhere on the bottom of the ocean somewhere waiting to be realized. Its over folks. A new day is has arose. And that day is the rise of the Anichrist and his minions. Make sure you are right with God!

      19. And yes, the whole thing will lead to a one-world government. That’s what the globalists want.

        “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” — Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg

      20. Sorry guys and gals..O/T again but it needs to be said

        its just how my mind works

        all this talk these about mental illness, the lady in DC supposedly mentally ill, Fort Hood ..mentally ill.. ship yard shooter mentally ill etc.. etc,.. you get the point..

        well Im here to tell you we have a mentally Ill president, in power, and we better do something about it now!

        Here is the reason behind 0bama’s behavior. 0bama is a psychopath. On the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, he is a strong 15 out of 18 traits. –

        Factor 1: Interpersonal/Affective
        Glibness/superficial charm **
        Grandiose sense of self-worth **
        Pathological lying **
        Cunning/manipulative **
        Lack of remorse or guilt **
        Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric) **
        Callousness; lack of empathy **
        Failure to accept responsibility for his or her own actions **
        Factor 2: Lifestyle/Antisocial
        Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom **
        Parasitic lifestyle **
        Poor behavioral control *
        Lack of realistic long-term goals **
        Impulsiveness **
        Irresponsibility **
        Juvenile delinquency
        Early behavior problems
        Revocation of conditional release
        Criminal versatility **

        In short, 0bama is worst type of person you would want as President. He is fully capable of destroying the country because of his mental illness.

        its time to institutionalize him

        • I have long felt he is quite narcissistic.

          • big time!

        • HE is a hit man for the Bank of England.

        • Leased as/in Out Of The Country!

          Ft. Knox is Eff’n empty!


      21. stupid people……that’s our nation’s problem. we got too many stupid people. they are everywhere, and i’ve been thinking for a few weeks now on WHY there are so many stupid people infecting our society. i’m 58 now and i can’t remember this many stupid people around when i was a younger man. they are EVERYWHERE. the problem is that we have sooo many laws now to protect the STUPID from themselves, and they breed MORE stupid people. we have laws to make sure stupid people can get a job for example….i REALLY believe that a lot of stupid people get hired into government jobs because the human recources hirers know we would be paying for their welfare payments if they weren’t given these gubmint jobs. they have been instructed by their superiors to hire the handicapped(stupid) to keep the welfare roles lower. think about it, we protect the stupid from being cleansed from the genepool by making laws like:
        wear a lifejacket in a boat
        wear a helmet riding a bike
        don’t put your hand in the tigers cage at the zoo
        label on cigarettes to say they’ll kill you
        can’t take a glass bottle to a sporting event…gotta be plastic so nobody gets cut
        can’t walk down the street in public with a beer
        no jaywalking
        gotta have seat belts to drive a car
        sign saying “no diving” on a 200 foot high bridge
        mcdonalds coffee MIGHT be hot
        ladder sign saying it MIGHT be dangerous to stand on top
        don’t put your fingers in the fan blades
        these lawmakers got it so VERY few stupid people can get killed any more. back in the day people DIED for doing stupid things, now they just keep breeding more stupid. i tell yuh, the genepool needs more chlorine…..get RID of some of these laws. just too many stupid people for our country to not have a serious breakdown SOON! once it DOES all blow up, will it take a few generations to get back into balance? or will mostly stupid people die off? hmmmm…..food for thought…….oops! did i write that out loud?

        • If you are going to be STUPID, you got to be tough!

          :0) Hey you all, Watch This! Redneck’s last words.

          How did I ever live to be this old?
          Yepper, STUPID PEOPLE. Have to save them from themselves and everything has to be SAVED. Dogs, Cats, Rats, Frogs, Deer, Bears, Trees.

          • …everything BUT the Constitution…

        • Very true. this is what TPTB want. they want a bunch of dumbed down people. its simple, dumb people are easier to control. which is exactly why they let illegal immigrants in, and reward ghetto baby-mamas and white trash for having kids.
          they want us all to be mixed, one dumbed-down, brown, race of people to control..(white people are too independent- compare mexico and Africa to western Europe)

          im in my mid 20’s, and I have 1 friend out of about 20 that worry about S hitting the F. all my other buddies are staring down at an Iphone, on facebook.
          youre completely right, back in the day, people died from stupidity and lack of common sense. I wish it was still like that.

          • Caliber: I agree, but ditch the stuck in stupid/shallow friends(time wasters) like I have, and only interact with people “in the know” to exchange ideas, later on barter with, watch out for each other. Any others cannot be trusted if shtf. Yes, W. Eur.is a step above the ones you mentioned, but very socialistic, Muslim’s pouring in, no gun rights, freedom to speak out because of hate speech laws. My age group (retirees) don’t set the world on fire either, spend too much time at the golf course or watching TV, playing board games, etc.

        • Yea but but……Chicago is doing its part so there is that positive…natural selection is fun

        • Bring back lawn darts…

        • Yeah, don’t forget they made ’em put safeties on guns…

        • Like the movie


          This is what America has become…. [-2 min. trailer]

          youtube (dot)com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk


        • Note to everyone: If you rant about stupid people. Don’t be redunant and use correct grammer and sentence structure. Good reasoning skills are a bonus.

      22. I for one am all for letting this Government fail period. Let if fail and start taking away the money from all these politicians that they so greedily made during their tenure. Revert to a constitutionally run Government overseen by the American people. All bills brought to house and senate have waiting period on yearly basis so that the people have a chance to vote on all Government actions.. ( Now that is Democracy ). A new Government separate from Church separate from Corporations..We all know that it has been big business meddling in our Government for 200 years + This has made our officials corrupt – very rich – very greedy – and blind to the wants and needs of the American public.. No more Military industrial complex which has just recently brought us to the brink of World War 3. Keep instilled a Military for defensive purposes only ( We don’t need to be a weapons leader ). Oh your country has problems ? deal with it yourselves.. No more Financial aid to third world country’s. Flat tax rate on all business based on income. Flat rate tax on all US Citizens based on income brackets. Social Security refunded and never to be borrowed from. Pay bills on time. I mean really how hard can this be ? The first step is to realize there is a problem . The second step is to fix it . Time for America to wake up period take a stand get the ball rolling . Bickering about it is never going to fix the problems we face as a country today. Just remember its the filthy rich that have brought this country to its knees. Distribute the wealth take back what is ours

        • Excellent points Fed up…….My confidence level is high enough to see a world peace if and when we have no huge multi national corrupt Corporations, we don’t support every single dictators and stop our billions of dollars aids to them. Most importantly to have a Government that is solely focused on Americans and the USA and not getting their orders from Israel and AIPAC. Even though I might be dreaming for such day but at least in my dream I can enjoy life as an imaginary phase.

          • AIPAC is/has been a very sharp sword in America’s back for too long–time to deport AIPAC from America–yesterday.

            • ponomo: since the main thing folks at AIPAC worship(besides their selves of course) is Cash Money, maybe to entice their Fast departures, we could offer them a Cash Bonus. Like say every aipac jew that packs an al sharpton or jessie jackson type into their suitcase before exiting the usa for good, gets an extra $1000 bonus!

              Then make the exact same offer to africans like al sharpton and jessie jackosn et al…Only they must pack an aipac jew into Their suitcase before exiting usa!

              That way the two biggest trouble maker, nation wrecker groups will be hunting each other down across the nation to earn the bonus cash. With any luck, both groups will run each other into ground and 99% of americas troubles will abruptly cease for good.

              Then all thats left is to include in all future school text books, teachings to assure no future generations of americans ever again allow those two types access or entry into our nation ever again.

        • The politicians will never cut off their own supplies, it must be done by another country or other countries stating they will not deal with us any more and then we will just “enemyize” them, and go to war. Watch out for this and don’t go along and don’t send your children to fight.

        • Yea but,,,
          How do we know it will be better? Some times ya got to be careful what you wish for, might just get something worse.

        • Satori that link is a blog from someone who supports the Obama care. Its trying to scare you into signing up. Im not gonna buy health insurance. Im 63 and made it this far without ever buying health insurance. If all the healthy folks opt out it will collapse.

          • old guy , i agree.
            I am 13 yrs your junior and when or kids were born we went to the hospital and sent up a payment plan and paid our bill. There arent too many doctors or dentists who own a home that i havent worked on , LOL.
            Its called payin your way , it seems that America has forgotten that payin UPFRONT used to be normal.
            Unless i am forced to sign up because of excessive taxation i will not sign up either, its socialism and i dont wanna play that game .

            • Most businesses won’t let you make payments—just go to a veterinarian and see. They’ll check your credit and if you don’t pass a credit check, your pet dies unless you have cash in full.

              been there, done that.

              • I have seen that happen both with pets. And farm animals.

              • Doctors and hospitals can be legally required to provide services even if you can’t pay. A vet is different.

                • Barn
                  You are right.

                  My brother works at hospital and he tells me that they can’t refuse anyone treatment.
                  He also tells me that he has people come in that really need the help and only come into the hospital when they are about to die. These folks don’t abuse the system.

                  He also tells me that people come into the hospital every time they get a hang nail and abuse the Hell out of the system.

                  By the way did you read 2576877 just up the page? It really bothers me that you think I was be sarcastic toward you and yours. If you did? You took me wrong!

                  • It’s true. In the emergency room, everyone has to be treated. And we see people for things that are trivial.

                    Many parents have NO common sense. They bring kids in for scrapes and bumps that would have been ignored by my family. I once had a mom bring a child in for a scraped knee. A simple abrasion that just needed to be cleaned up and a bandaid placed on it. The mom was obviously very wealthy (all money no brains) and said that her insurance would cover the ER visit, so why not “be on the safe side” and get emergency care.

                    There are far too many people thinking like this.

                    I am so glad to be out of clinical care. I think that Obamacare will eventually lead the government to require all doctors to accept Medicaid and Medicare because many are starting to opt out or to limit the numbers they accept. I think one state is already linking accepting medicaid to relicensing. The decline in medicine is starting to accelerate.

          • old guy

            I work in health care
            and let me tell you

            its gonna collapse
            Obama care or not

            • we are in also Satori…no pay, no treatment. Can’t do it any other way right now. Nothing personal, just our families survival. If you work with us, we will help.

              Eventually, no one will be paying for insurance period for whatever reason.

              It is one big scam/tax to “insure” big cash flow to them so that they can make huge gains with other peoples money. The rest is bs.

          • It would be immoral and illegal for an anarcho-capitalist to have anything to do with this statist scheme to grab control of one-sixth of our economy. And all of us.

            How so? It is immoral because it forces complete strangers to subsidize me. That is coercion and theft. It is illegal because it would mean I was receiving stolen property … the wealth stolen from you to subsidize my care.

            if it is a “tax” not a penalty, I regard “tax” as a euphemism for “theft by government. Backed ultimately by prison or even death.”

            As I commented about 20 posts ago, I got totally out of my investments and but for a nominal sum, a few hundred dollars, out of my bank. I took good advice from here and elsewhere to get into hard assets.

            Although I have no [ income ] I have assets. Which most of you can successfully infer. I am also out of banks. So they are going to “seize” my money? Ha.

            I will never see the big 60 again. My parents’ generation lived into their late 80s, many of them paying their own way with health professionals.

            Individual liberty means being responsible for oneself. It doesn’t mean stealing from the other person even if the statists encourage doing that.

            If I were a 25-year old guy with a wife and three children my calculation would be quite a bit different.

            But no matter what your demographic anyone paying your way FOR YOU faces coercion and theft.

            How many health professionals who are “officially retired” do you think would be happy to treat someone in their own homes who was able and willing to pay with hard assets?

            Counterfeit currency, counterfeit “health care.” Bogus is bogus and should be outted for what it is.

            • John Allen,
              I agree with you. I am “retired” as a physician but I have my panel of folks I see and help. They pay cash and they don’t hassle me unless they are seriously ill. I even help them get medications from inexpensive sources and get lab work done at low cost. It is all part of my sideline business but the only way to get in is to be referred by someone who knows me. My stress levels have improved and life has gotten better.

      23. How long can this go on? Till our creditors have had enough. India is still smuggling gold and silver. The Germans have to wait over a period of time to get theirs back. China is buying gold and silver. So are the Russians. U.K. wishes it had what Brown sold into the markets. Oil for Gold and measures be taken by countries to “off” the Petrol Dollar. How about this new $100 bill coming out from the Fed.
        We are so damn screwed it’s pathetic.
        Please! I am not saying to buy gold or silver.

        • The US govt can still go on for quite a while because it can print its own money and practically everyone else is in much worse shape. Unless WW3 breaks out, I’m betting that this game goes on until at least the start of 2015.

          That said, I’m not waiting; by the end of the year I will have a stash of cash and metals and food and no debt but the mortgage that i am calling my start over fund. I think if you have enough food, water and cash to cover things for 3 months and some metals; you just may survive because if people have to go 5 days without food,water and money they lose it; see Hurricane Katrina for validation.

          • Lena.

            It is, What it is. Some people don’t get it. Forest fires, floods, blizzards, hurricanes, earthquakes, you name it.
            As long as they have a flashlight, a gallon of water and a few cans of food they are good to go. One problem is that we know too much. If a new person wanted to get up to speed, all he would have to do is read the last year of articles here at SHTF. The second problem is that we can’t get it through some people’s thick heads to prepare.
            All the info absorbed here would be an equal to a PhD. in survival. Then we have those who can’t sterilize water. Can you imagine the time and money that has been spent by us figuring out what works and what doesn’t. And it’s all FREE here. Now if a person can not see this, he is really stupid and get’s what he deserves for being Stupid.

            • I am absolutely amazed by the number of people in my community who have no clue as to what is coming. I’d say 99.999%. I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone.

              • If you’re still in California, I can see why. I’m in California’s twin sister-Maryland.

                • lol…and BTW, why don’t y’all pitch in and get Barbara some lifts so she can reach the door knob…

                  and Steny needs some “Just for Men”.

                  • We call Barbara, ‘Miss Piggy’.

          • Make that 18 months brother!!!!!

          • @ Lena..You put away 3k into a BANK, which is going to take it from you and you only have 3 measly frinkin months of food? how about water?. Get your priorities in line. Food, Water, Guns, ammo and silver.

          • Lena-you seem like a smart person.
            So, think years, NOT months.
            Preppers do.

            • ***I think if you have enough food, water and cash to cover things for 3 months and some metals; you just may survive***

              I’m still laughing my ass off!!

            • ok,

              i realize i’m in the minority here by thinking this, but we are not about to go back to the 1800s or dark ages type of living. countries have defaulted before and it didnt set them back a 100 years.

              if you guys read enough history, you will find that in a dramatic change; there’s a period of panic as people see their lives change beyond their control; but as they accept the new type of life; they adjust and move on.

              the US already has nationwide water, electricity, transportation and communication relatively free from any harm in the western hemisphere. russia and china cannot bring enough harm to the US to change that.

              if the US defaults or has hyperinflation, youre going to have periods of outages and things not running, but not months on end or years. greece has been in a depression for years now and its money is dirt, but people still fly into greece daily for vacation.

              here is your proof things will keep on going. detroit is bankrupt, hundreds of thousands of people have left, wild dogs run free and yet they are still going to sell out their playoff games as if everything in detriot is just fine. the US will be the same way, some parts/people will have it real rough and some parts/people will go on as if its just fine.

              • Lena…I agree with you. However the scenarios you stated is and will be the end of the world for majority of people in the USA….for years we got used to easy way of life. Can-opener must be automatic since hand held one is hard for most, power to be out for even 5 hrs on a daily basis for a week? You better be ready to shoot intruders into your house. I can think of many cases that can be a norm in many countries in the world but won’t be perceived as a a norm in our beloved country. However any sort of collapse can be a catalyst for the next generation to live as strong human being Vs robots who can’t last for 5 minutes without their stupid iPhone.

              • “the US already has nationwide water, electricity, transportation and communication relatively free from any harm in the western hemisphere. russia and china cannot bring enough harm to the US to change that”

                Can you really be THAT dumb? You don’t think…oh, hell, never mind. Everything is fine and will always be fine.

                • “the US already has nationwide water, electricity, transportation and communication relatively free from any harm in the western hemisphere. russia and china cannot bring enough harm to the US to change that”

                  And right now, there is money (even if it’s worthless fiat) paying for those amenities of society from taxable income(just barely).
                  Fast forward to an economic collapse. Where is all that money coming from when the dollar is worthless and 99% of the nation is broke and has no income??
                  When you figure it out, share with us idiots.

                  • That quiz was for Lena.

                  • “russia and china cannot bring enough harm to the US to change that”

                    My point is;

                    Apparently, this commenter doesn’t take into account that those countries could destroy our economy in a heart beat, because a huge portion of our economy depends on them—including the trillions in debt bonds they hold.

                    And both countries possess arsenals powerful enough to harm THE ENTIRE PLANET, which, last time I looked, includes the U.S.

                    America is NOT bulletproof, nor should we believe that we are.

                    …we’re just bullies waiting for a bigger bully to challenge us for turf.

              • Lena.

                If you are saving $3000 per month, then I think I have met my new BOL.


                just joking.

                Good luck.

              • @lena are you serious? try to tell the people in the 9th ward post-katrina everything is just fine. i’d suggest you take a field trip down there, and be sure to use a cab driver you trust.

                or do a little homework on homestead, fl 1992. we lived thru andrew. the town, afb, and even nws didnt. your horse is a tad too high.

                • those area areas that were devistated by storms, but the financial impact is very real. look at them as a mother nature inspired currency collapse, rather than man made.

          • Good luck with those 3 months……you should really invest your $3000 a month you are stashing into savings into food security and shelter for 3 years.

            • Il. Woman
              You are right. I was going to put dead right but it wouldn’t sound right. If you prepare for 3 months you will only last about 2 months , because you will just learn how to use your food, water, and equipment in the first month and you will waisst and mess things up. I like your 3 years idea. I believe that if the SHTF it will last for about 1 1/2 years before things will get back to some type of normal. I don’t believe for 1 second it will get back to what we had in the 1980 and 1990.If we have a Civil war all bet are off.
              We here in Illinois are kinda hand cuffed. We have to put up with the home town of Obullshit, and they are trying to screw up everything. Thank God I live about 80 S/W of that S@#$hole. But when it goes to SHTF those turds will be invading this area. BOY ARE THEY GOING TO GET A SUPRISE!!!
              Stay safe.

              • Sgt Dale….I’m blessed to be right on the Mississippi mid state. I commute to work in Missouri, so I purchase all my ammo and guns in Missouri with the help of employees. Since I am a single mother my plan is to lay low for 2 years and not have to even leave my house. By then most of the crazy shit will be over hopefully but prepared to defend my home as needed. Take care yourself!!

                • Woman
                  I hope you have made some allicances with your neighbors, and friends. You can’t do it your self. I know that you would try but you can’t. I learned this several years ago. Try you best not to make your fight at your house. Try to take it away from the house. Please stay safe and prepared, and my prayes will be with you. Even if the SHTF dosen’t happen.

                  • Neighbors, 3 boys, other family and friends. I have back up plans and fall back locations. And I’m constantly running scenarios in my mind. Thank your for your kindness, thoughts and prayers. And right back at you and yours.

              • SGT. Dale.

                Rumblings from the Flea Market.

                Want to know what people are thinking? Set up a day at the Flea Market and listen to what people have to say. Especially if you are selling military surplus gear.

                I buy and sell surplus gear for a hobby and a few extra bucks in my pocket. I go about two or three times a year. With a few months spread you can hear the changes what people have to say. It is always communicated in a low voice either Pro on Con on what is happening in our country. The chatter is a good cross section of people so it is not bias . Young and old mostly War Vets from WW2 on up. Then you can tell who the preppers are as they are as vocal as we are here.
                There has been an uptick in women buying gear like Coleman stoves, lanterns and camping pots and pans.
                I watch the people pass by to see what they are buying and many are carrying military gear sold by other sellers at the market. I get to talk to the REGULARS who set up every week and they say the sales are way down and so they cut their prices to make sales.
                Lots of customers asking for Body Armor and MOLLE gear especially chest rigs. They have been to the ARMY/Navy outlets and say the prices are high for the good gear but most of it is just plain worn out. DRMO stuff. Small ALICE packs and frames sell well. The older Vets like the LC1 and LC2 load bearing gear.
                There is one seller that only sells ammo cans. The big mortar and artillery containers also and he sells out by the end of the day.
                At another store that sells everything under the sun was a pallet of MRE’s. I guess about 50 or so for $28.00 a box. Sold them all in two weeks. Checked the code and they were good to OCT 2016. Just a side note.
                So as we wonder if people are preparing. I would say so. The mood of the conversation about our country is that something is coming. Not much about who is to blame.
                I have also noticed that to replenish my stock I have to get up early to beat others who are buying up gear at the markets.
                Maybe there are more of us than we think.

                • Slingshot
                  We can only pray that there are! It will make it alot easier on us. All the prepares that I have worked with and have set alliances with are good people and they are looking to help in any way after the crash. (Just don’t try to take it away from them. You will have a fight) If you ask them they will help.
                  I have the 1St. gunshow coming up at the end of the month for this area. I’ll see what is going down when I go there to help a FFL dealer. Last one I was at in March the folks were gearing up and they told me so. They know something is coming, (Man we Americans are smart!) and they arn’t blaming anyone one person or the group. Most don’t play the blame game, they just prepare. Alot of military stuff was going out the door mostly mags, ammo, and MREs, dried foods.
                  Stay safe.

                  • SGT. Dale.

                    The point I want to stress is that most do not care about the blame. They are well past that option.

                    Lots of, Do you have this, or can you get this item.
                    It is a sea change. The tide has turned.
                    It use to be the young guys that played paint ball and soft shot games buying things. No More! The age group now is in their 20 to 30 years old. Ex-Military.

        • You should buy some gold and silver with your extra money after you’re fully prepared. We have half our saving in precious metals.

      24. I just hope that for once we little people catch a break and this big collapse happens soon, before we have to use up all our stockpiles and all lose our extra buying power and go through years more of this slow burn, and have to use up our preps faster than we can replenish them with our inflated dying dollars, in the end only able to buy just to live day to day waiting…So that when it really finally goes up, we have very little preps left to live on before it is over and we can rebuild our lives and our country.

        • Amen, I am in the same boat.

        • Glacial–that ain’t gonna happen as long as this govt. continues mailing us our earned SS and VA disability.
          Yes, everyone here knows I am prepped nicely.
          However, when 3 months of TP gets used–it gets replaced when I find them on sale.
          When those mushrooms, tomato sauce, and olives get low, they get replaced(which happened this past weekend at IGA)when I find them on sale.
          So, let this game begin–I’m ready and stay ready.
          I have to sacrifice to stay ready–because I do not have $3000 a month to invest.
          I respect those sacrificing and think patriotically toward them.

          • If you are insinuating that your preps will get old and lose their shelf life–not gonna happen.

        • I hope it happens by this winter. In the Midwest it’s supposed to be colder than normal with more snow than normal. Sounds like perfect collapse weather to me.

      25. So Treasury is saying we are in deep shit and the Obama Administration is saying, everything is fine.

        What else is New!

      26. I wish there was a way we could enact a financial survey or test against future members of the House and Senate, one that checks whether a candidate has a monstrous amount of debt, or if they have none at all. Their house must be paid for, along with no car payments, and no huge credit card debts. I surmise that folks who are this good with their personal finances will be trusted easier with national finances. It’s no guarantee, but worth a shot.

        • Or they will just use our money to achieve no debt, and than lie to us about where the money to become debt free came from

          just figure, no politician no matter what their finances look like cant be trusted and you wont be disappointed

          what we really need to do is abolish life time politicians, and we need to get all the lawyers out of our government

          • You have a good point. The Poland government seized retirement accounts this year to help pay off their debt.

      27. The federal reserve has accomplished exactly what it was designed to do, that is transfer wealth from the lower and middle classes to the top. The system has a finite lifespan but you can never underestimate the power these guys have to kick the can down the road a little farther. I thought it was all going to unravel years ago but here we are. I just prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

      28. I am in “equipment sales” and have been for 26 years and this “new normal” is killing me!!

        • I buy and sell stuff on the internet. The fall is normally my busiest time of year. This year, the fall has been worse than the summer. It’s not looking good.

          • Barn
            I’ve noticed that all the bars in the town I work can stay open until 12:00 on week days and 3:00 on week ends. They are closing at 10:00 to 10:30 week days and around 1:00 on week ends. Before BO we had to run people out of the bars at closing time. Two of our diners that would be open all year around are now closing for the winter.
            Did you ever stop to think that the only people keeping the economy going is the preparers? We always buy two of everything. What do you think it would be like if we only bought one?

      29. i like how you are thinking scout….but really the ONLY thing “we the people” are looking for are candidates that are HONEST. it doesn’t take a degree, or money, just a good heart….a promise to do what’s right for america(ns)….that’s it! just someone who will do the right thing for the country. so simple, but so HARD to find. the way our gubmint is set up, there seems to be no way to make it happen. any politician gets elected to city council, county commissioner, governor…president….they get money shoved into their face to do what’s WRONG for the country……………and they TAKE it.

      30. I am not sure to worry about the collapse or when I see on TV that today the Senate Sergeant At Arms and Doorkeeper is handing out “Thank You Capitol Police” buttons outside of the Dirksen Senate Office Building, a day after the D.C. Capitol Police executed an unarmed mother in front of her child. I guess rather than worry I need to cry. Is this what we have become? A young black mother suffering from depression being killed and left her young child without a mother and the SELECTED LEADERS celebrate her death and thanking her killers?

        • Tact.
          What a poor excuse of police officers. Which goes back to their leaders. (ie their chiefs)

          The mentality of those officers in D.C. must suck, or they are so brainwashed to think that there is a terrorist hiding behind every bush they shoot first and ask questions later.

          They could have taken out the tires on that car when they had it surrounded the first time.
          If they use the excuse she might have a bomb in the car why in the hell did they get so damn close to the vehicle.

          They have tazers why didn’t they use it when she crashed into the last barrier where she was executed.

          Those guys make me ashamed of the way they handled the hole thing. These clowns give good cops and bad name. FOLKS PLEASE DON’T THINK ALL COPS WILL ACT THIS WAY!

          My prays are going out to this family!! May they find peace!!

      31. apache54 says:
        Comment ID: 2573101
        October 4, 2013 at 12:29 pm

        sad to say but what needs to happen is let it fail and start over !

        We can’t “let” it fall, any more than we can “let” gravity work. I think you mean something like ” I am not going to give myself an ulcer trying to think of a way to prevent the inevitable and just accept reality for what it is.” In that case, I am with you all the way. I have two thing to do now- cash some checks and, more importantly, check some caches.

      32. people,people….please.
        thank you.
        here is a totally unsubstantiated theory of my own….
        what if the reason the govt is “shutting down” (not really but…), is that there is a massive fema region 3 event set to take place between now and early Nov? If the govt is down, what would be the default reaction of POTUS if say….a cosmic event or nuke in south Carolina…ala Lindsey Graham… happened right now….You are all aware or the FEMA REGION 3 DRILL HAPPENING right now right? Also aware of the missing nuke? This is planned……

        begin the silly comments…now

        • Yep, we’re gonna get EMPeed….

          & not just the ussa… but the whole world!!!!!!!!!!

          Then the slitherin PTBs will crawl out of their underground cities 6 months later….

          Ta Da…. NWO



          • Your pretty close. Not EMP, but a CME. JOG explained it earlier, but nobody was listening and went back to the usual rant…..economy collapse, WW3, Obitchycare, etc. If TPTB all disapear at once, get in your bunker because they prepped for it and know when TSHTF is coming.

            • B.S. and Gone
              We know something is cominmg. You are both right. What is cool (use that term loosely), about them going underground is the time frame.
              They will come up around the time those that have prepared will have begun getting a handle on things, and we won’t need these Turds.
              I want to have a suprize party for them. What do you say? We can bring lot of wood for the large bond fire, Rope to tie things up, Mask to gover thier eyes to play with a pinyata. (I think I spelled that right?) and some large pins to play pin the tail on the Ass. (I ment domkey)

            • Did I miss a post from The Voice of JOG? Is something happening?… BRB…. Yipes! sun is getting jiggy again..



        • You might be right. There’s an unusual number of drills scheduled for the next 6 weeks or so. Also, the whole debt ceiling fiasco might be a way to panic foreign investors into panic selling of the dollar.

      33. I’m starting to think that no one has the balls to pull the plug.

        • Basstard: I think there is a good chance the “old men” Elitists may have dementia of some sort, they can’t seem to pull it off and these top dogs are getting really old. Other than that, I can’t figure out what they are waiting for.

          • According to Lindsey Williams they’re waiting for Obamacare to be “fully” implemented, which won’t take place until January 2015 at the earliest. That gives us more than a year to prepare, but prices will rise so sharply between now and then that it will become more and more difficult with each passing month to buy those things we still need.

            • Prices are already rising.

        • That could explain the exuberance with which Russia and Syria took Kerry’s facetious ‘deal’ seriously- they realize how terrible a reality WWIII would be. IN a similar fashion, the older people get the more they look for a way to not have to struggle, not need a revolution.

        • It’s not that. Either they want to steal more money first or they don’t consider the time to be right yet.

      34. Finally, the Failure in Chief utters one truthful statement.

        “The federal government is Americas largest employer”.


        • They are doing this to strike fear into the hearts of most govt emps…anything to ensure therir loyalty to big bro…who in the fuck is going to hire a former govt emp?

          The division crap works…people now despise most govt agencies. Govt emps are just the same as the politicians…high and mighty.

          They work for us. We don’t need them.

          Most of them don’t get it. Let them suffer and toughen up…or give up.

      35. Nonsense. Scare tactics. The gov will never default, there is absolutely no reason to. The interest on outstanding debt is about $400B/year. The gov takes in $2.8T/year, the first thing they will do is pay interest on the debt. Then pay their other bills. Of course they spend $3.8T, hence the $1T trillion deficit that they need to continue to borrow for. Even that is not a problem because the fed is buying almost all the debt now.
        Don’t be fooled people, this is just to scare you and make you think they did something when they settle and start blabbering all over tv how great they are.

        • That’s $400 billion a year at an average of 3%. If interest rates go to 9% that’s $1.2 trillion. The fact is, the government isn’t borrowing much money anymore. The Fed is creating it out of thin air to fund the deficits. Eventually the dollar with become worthless and America will become a third world country.

      36. Why is this website catering to, and supporting, the fear-mongering coming out of this Administration?

      37. When mainstream media starts talking our language, you know its not going to be good. Have a nice weekend. 😉

      38. We have been hearing warnings like this for quite some time …..who knows when it will finally go down …..I’m hearing late fall early winter and if it STILL hasn’t I will be taking a long needed vaca from this

        • rich99: I agree, as several preppers I know have passed on, things tossed/donated by heirs. Now, some I know have physical limitations and better off dead if shtf/power shuts down since they use medical devices/several on dialysis/ diabetic meds must be refrigerated, CPAP devices, etc. Many will just give up over time.

        • Rich99. You really, really need to get a life.
          p.s. ( And me too)

        • I called it. How many weeks has it been since you were all foamy at the mouth and stomping yer feet claiming you weren’t coming back here?

      39. Here’s a question that I bet sends chills down the spines of every member of TPTB, and one that I think we’re starting to see the result of them thinking about the answer to. What happens when resistance becomes cool? What happens when the 99% Occupy crowd and the 53% (as in 100- 47%)Tea Party crowd finally realize “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”? I think TPTB have recently started to shart themselves over that scenario. IF that is true, they would realize they have to act soon.

      40. Even if mankind figures out all the economic problems, housing problems, health care problems, educational problems, political problems, over population problems, Constitutional problems, we are all still Fukushima’d.

        If you want to get rich soon just become a Physicist and figure out what to do with all the nuclear waste.

        • Fukushima is a relatively minor problem compared to how it’s portrayed in the alternative media. It’s not worse than Hiroshima. It’s not going to destroy the world or cause problems in America.

      41. Catastrophic they say? Lasting more than a generation? Guess they are talking about post mega SHTF Mad Max world. I get so sick and f’en tired of this worthless government talking sh$% that we all know too well. This planet is in flux right, and there was just another large earthquake for a plate boundary on the southern Australia plate. Guess what, the worthless USGS said that almost all their services are now void. That means there is no place for past records of these earthquakes and where major quakes have hit after this.

        From what I have seen this earthquake reenforcing the past earthquake activity on these precursor locations. The danger zones until Oct.17 remain HOT and dangerous. I am still looking at India for a possible great or mega quake. Other areas that lie in risk for something quite big are Japan, eastern Russia, ALL of the Alaskan coastline, British Columbia, Cascadia fault, Mexico to 20 degrees north to Central America, Ecuador to North Chile, Philippines, New Guinea to Somoa which includes North New Zealand to Fiji, and Central Indonesia.

        I still believe that putting a barrier up to BO care is in the best interest of the people, even if this means losing valuable services like the USGS past earthquake achives. The real issue though is stopping BO and these other wads from continuing to balloon the debt. This BO helicopter ben spending should have been stopped back in 2009 before it became terminal. In any case, we all are so F’ed. If the masses knew how F’ed we all were you know what they would do? The same thing they are now, because they are zombies and that in itself is another reason society is F’ed. Prep as much as possible, there be a bad storm on the horizon,

      42. Mac,

        I can see how you would come to the conclusions as drawn in your article. However the truth be known I can assure you it will not go down in the manner you have described.

        Let me start out with your premise:

        “Here’s what you can expect to happen on that fateful day when our government is no longer extended the credit it needs to cover its trillion dollar commitments:”

        The U.S. Government does not borrow money. The U.S. Government sell treasury bonds. Over half of them each month to themselves and the other half to financial institutions, insurance companies and just old plain rich people looking for a place to stash their money and not have to pay tax’s on it. Except for themselves they are sold both here at home and abroad everywhere in the world.

        Now to pay what interest and or repurchases of these T-bills the federal reserve prints up money out of thin air. As long as they can do that then there can be no default by the U.S. Government.

        However this is also where hyper inflation starts to kick in as the more money printed the less the value of said money. When those people / institutions who want to cash in the treasury bills the money they get will be of less value than the original purchase price in respect to it’s purchasing power.

        Because of a global economy and the United States dollar being the international treasury there is no country or company that has invested in either treasury bills or into the American economy that would want the U.S. economy to fail because if it did the rest of the world would be as poor as we would be.

        So in conclusion let me just say that this is not going to happen till there is some other calamity that would prevent the United States from printing money or being considered one country under God.


        • and nowhere in that theory did you consider the demise of the petro dollar. it’s already happening piecemeal. it’s only a matter of time until dollars become nearly worthless for trade, and we’re having to convert those dollars into yuan, SDR’s, PM’s or what have you. and since we manufacture almost nothing here now, we’d be in much the same position as Venezuela is- where they literally can’t even literally afford to wipe their butts. in the time that it would take for a dollar bill to fall to a counter at the grocery store from your hand, it would’ve already lost most of it’s value. post-war Hungary had a DAILY inflation rate of over 207%. prices doubling every 15 hours.

          Roll ’em roll ’em roll ’em…
          Keep those presses rollin!

          • @CWinOR,

            I have considered the petro dollar situation and in all fairness that could be a kink in my thought process. That said though tell me who has a stronger currency than we do?

            And with us becoming more oil independent, which I cannot for the life of me understand with all of Obamashits ranting’s and ravings against the oil companies, how this could have happened under his presidency. Regardless, we are becoming one of the largest oil producing countries in the world. And that would just make the petro dollar even more strong.

            I could be very wrong but I have spent many years following this stuff and working in the world of finance at was once some pretty high levels. But again with the way things change on a daily basis who is to say that like most stuff I thought I knew in the end it was just bullshit. Just the politicians, bankers and elite with some fancy smoke screens.


            • BigB.

              Have you ever heard of the USD (US Dollar) index?

              You asked, ‘who has a stronger currency than we do?’

              Well about 5 Nations do. The US Dollar is indexed against 5-6 of other leading nations. An index of 100 means our currency is equal to equated currencies of the other 5. A USD index of 120, as was during 1982-2002, means our currency is 20% stronger.

              Our USD index has bounced from 90-146 between the years 1982-2002. Reagan has had the highest USD index with many times in 120-140. The latter years of Bubba had some around 115. Bush2 had a couple years close to that too. Since 2008, our USD has been mostly 80-82, meaning our currency is worth about 15-20% less than the other 5 Nations.

              Two years ago, the dollar would get you about 92 cents in Canadian money. In past, it would bring about $1.15 in Canadian money.

              This is why the petro folks would like to get rid of dollar. Why store the dollar as petro and world reserves when other currencies are worth more? It is like $1.00 in savings and your account shows $0.80.

              That is also why China is buying so much of our stuff from land to T-Bills. You see, a stronger currency always purchases the weaker currency because of bargains.

              The dollar is toasted. When China and others start to cash in, we are nothing but confederate money.

              • The dollar index went just below 80 on Thursday, the lowest since February. I have heard that if it gets down close to 70 and stays for awhile, we won’t have long until collapse. I don’t know enough myself to say whether that’s right.

                Just got another big marine battery for the solar power.

                • Archivist.

                  When the banking crisis happened in 2008, the USD index was 72-75 that week.

                  We are collapsing at the 80-85 mark anyway. That means our currency is 15-20% below the other currencies. If our economy was truly recovering, then the USD index would be at 100 or above. It hasn’t been above 100 since 2004(?).

                  The USD index at the 1987 stock market crash was 95.

                  So now you know why they are pumping phony money into the system and why they are issuing bonds to buy back our own debt.

                  • Ugly. So if W was president in 2004, did he start this mess?

        • It’s ridiculous to think that the rest of the world will tolerate the Fed creating a trillion new dollars out of thin air every year and think they’ll do that forever.

          • Barn Cat: You mean All them Trillions of us dollars those other nations have been Accepting yearly for over 60 yrs that america fed gov and fed res keep passing out? Of which so far not one single nation has rejected free us money handouts that I am aware of.

            Take israel as an example, since day one 1948 israel has been the largest welfare state in the world. If usa quit funding israel multi billions per yr, Plus tens of billions More in various war machines and ammo, not to mention wars to benift israel Americans pays for.

            AND if Germans ever Wise Up, and stop paying israel WWII war reperations cash, over and over, again and again every time some whinny jew claims they too are a “Survivor”, which today number close to FIVE-Million holyhoax survivors. Israel would collapse in two minits without both usa and germans constant Guilt cash payments.

            Ironic that on one hand, holyhoaxer survivors claim how utterly Efficent and quick germans were able to mass kill so many jews in so short a time frame in WWII era…While on the Other hand, directly at wars end there were aprox 42,000 survivors alive that were jewish.

            Yet today official survivor claims numbers, jews who recieve monthly checks etc…Are close to 5 million survivors!

            If 5 Million survived the holyhoax, then perhaps germans were NOT so efficent after all eh…Because if as jews claim Six million died, six to ten million More escaped prior to becomeing “Campers”…And Today a whopping almost 5 million still alive survivors exist, and That number climbs yearly…Then Fuzzy Math must be at play no?

            They only ever have aprox 13-14 Million total worldwide ever in the last many centuries. Cannot Wait for average german taxpayers to wise up on that issue as I heard germans are very good at math!

            Either way though so far all those other nations you state of keep takeing Free cash from usa right. Why do you think they will suddenly stop that takeing?

            Aprox 2/3rds of the 27 Trillion Bail outs since 2008 or whenever it began, went directly to European Banks. None rejected taking it. I bet they actually Spend some too and enjoy it same as do welfare monkys here in usa.

            Remember ALL them gloom and doom collapse Books you been reading are FICTION accounts of what “Ifs”..Based on some economic “experts” ideas not yet ever tried.

            Kinda like all them pastors Prophecy End time events books…Every time they get it all Wrong they RE write a New prophey end times events book and sell more books!

            Wonder how many Trillions dollars been so far spent on wrong end time events books, and how many folks still Believe what those wrong books says will occure.

      43. Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock
        DONG – DONG – DONG
        Oops too late…

      44. Solid goods folks as most already know,land ,metals,any goods you need ect.Keep small account perhaps for shopping on line.Yes,folks including the govt. can steal it but it is much harder and the cost will be so bloody that hopefully in the end we renew as a country,phoenix rising from the ashes ect,live for today,prepare for tomorrow and enjoy your weekend!

      45. decades’ long woeful mismanagement of U.S. economic, fiscal and monetary policy.

        So, I guess it is not all Obama’s fault like you idiots try to make it out to be.

        • ncjackass, f#$% you! Quit coming on here with your BS.

          • Good comeback brave. He is right. This has been going on foreveyiur comment about take your bullshit and leave because you told the truth is childish. In fact, being a snarky bitch is your fall back. Why not point out that it was all great before Obama? You can’t. You are regressing back to childhood.

            • Evan
              You are right it wasn’t great before Obullshit. Things were good, not great. Its will be PURE HELL very shortly with Obullshit at the helm along with his brothers Reidtard, Dicky Dumbin, sisters Bowlcy, and Frankenstein.
              If you come back with he inherited it. I’m going to say B.S. He knew what he was getting into when he ran for office. He lied when he said if he couldn’t fix it in 4 years he wouldn’t run again. If he was Pinocchio we wouldn’t have to send rockets to the moon we could just climb his nose.

              • I am not saying Obama inherited this. I will continue to make the point this has been on going, progressive and cumulative. I would also make the point the social security and Medicare system should be eliminated. All of it and now. Every president inherits numerous programs and funds them. This includes entitlements, wars, etc.

        • NC joe

          Obama is neither villain or savior. The die was cast for this eventual catastrophe when the Bretton Woods Agreement was abandoned in 1971. Free Trade and the demise of Glass Steagall were certainly catalysts accelerating the downward spiral. Obama like those preceding him do the bidding of the power elite regardless if they desire to or not. At worst they take orders. At best they have little practical alternative.

        • NC joe.

          No its not all his fault. The fault line thru math goes like this.

          FDR 2%
          JFK 3%
          LBJ 7%
          Nixon 8%
          Carter 10%
          Bush1 11%
          Bubba 12%
          Bush2 16%
          BO 31%
          Total= 100%

          It does add up to 100%. Do the math.

          • Ugly

            The reality is as this progressed like a snowball going downhill its inertia increased. Maybe prior to the great industrial evisceration post NAFTA and China Free Trade and prior to the demise of Glass Steagall this could have been reversed without extreme pain or outright collapse. I think your percentages of responsibility are a tad wrong with Johnson and Vietnam and his Great Society putting forward the events that caused the abandonment of Bretton Woods. That was worth 25% right there.

            Obama is certainly speeding things up.

          • Ugly. Your math is based on adding up money and dividing it? What about the new deal? 3% for FDR should tell you something is wrong. What about the two wars W started and we still pay for? The math is not as simplistic as you are.

            • Evan
              Libya- Booming Under NATO. They didn’t attack anyone in NATO.
              Egypt- Backing the Muslim Brotherhood while they slaughter Christians. Don’t forget Benghazi.
              Syria- Backing al Qaeda while they eat the earths of there enemy.
              Africon- protecting Muslims so they can slaughter Christians.
              Pakistan- Drone strikes killing one bad guy and 12 innocent people. God only how many times!
              Bush had over 20 sanctions from the UN and the permission from the U.N. and the Congress for Irag. Afghanistan they were hiding Bin Laden, both the Houses and the Senate gave the Ok for that war.
              If you bring up WMD’s where in the hell do you think some of the ones in Syria came from.
              I hope Obullshit doesn’t stop too fast you will break your neck because your nose is to close to his butt.
              Wake up they are all worthless.
              Man I hate being like this but someone has to say it.

              • Ugly. Your logic is bad. Did I defend Obama? I said your math was not taking into account social security. Wow, you see things that are not there and then get snotty. Learn to read and reason.

                • Urban G troll.

                  The math I used was based for the time period. Yes, if FDR was president today his rating would be much higher than the 2% and Carter have been worse too.

                  I used the economy, the strength of the dollar for that time period, the national debt at that time, and the annual spending debts for each president.

                  If you noticed, Reagan is not in it. That is because he took over a $500B debt with 22% interest rates and turned this country back into an economic power-house with a dollar value 25% above all currencies. People say Reagan tripled the debt, not true. It was the first Bush where the debt tripled.

                  Clinton, after the dems lost in 2004, slowed the debt down and congressional spending was actually a surplus.

                  Then came Bush and BHO.

                  The mess did start under the Bush administration until 2006. From there the dems have had the control on spending.

                  Anyway, we have a mess.

                  As the dems did with Bush in 2006 (lame-duck), we need to do the same in 2014. We are out-of-control.

      46. There will be no “default” as the current cash flows from all sources can service the total debt and about 60% of current operations.

        Interest on debt is only 6% of projected 2014 spending so stop the HYPE and selling of fear and hate . . yes that funds SS, Medicare and Medicaid and the military here is the budget for spending.


        • wow. alrighty then. have another sip of cool-aid and a nice long drag on that spliff. this is all a dream….all a dream…

        • You didn’t read the rest of the page. At the bottom there is a little window with figures that you can copy and paste to a document or spreadsheet. If you look at the figures in the resulting table, you will see a figure that is not accounted for in the pretty pie chart. That is the federal deficit, the amount the government is estimated to be going in the hole during 2014. That is $744 billion dollars that the government (ever optimistic) estimates that they won’t have enough revenue to cover. It will most likely turn out to be over a trillion dollars, going by all the past years of Obama.

          That 6% in the pie chart is over $200 billion dollars. That’s a lot of interest. And there is nothing in the budget to pay on the principal, because they’re in the hole over a trillion dollars every year.

          If you check figures for the past few years, you will see that if absolutely everything in the federal government were shut down, defense, congress, all cabinet departments, and only entitlements were left, the government would still have a deficit every year.

          So your whole message is incorrect. In other words, BS.

        • Colorado

          Roughly 40 billion per month made out of nothing are buying Treasuries thus funding the Federal Spending. The 6% is cherry picked data and like excluding food and fuel in the Consumer Price Index calculation just as accurate.

          Trash in = Trash out

        • I can smell what the Mangus is cookin’ and it ain’t pancakes……….

      47. To quote Rev. Wright, “America’s Chicken’s are coming home to roost”!

        Rome fell because it was broke, same with The Spanish Empire, the USSR, and The Turkish Empires.

        Who’s next?……we are, but so is most of Europe, Russia, and the Chinese economy is not at it’s peak either.

        • @Ghost,

          Not trying to be argumentive with you but China has more than it’s share of problems as well.

          Supposedley we had a housing crash that we have sort of recovered from. That is probably the biggest bullshit statement I have ever typed. We are still in the biggest housing crash and financial melt down this country has ever seen. It is so far from over. Well, that for another day.

          You see in China they are just at the beginning of an employment crash that may well cause a power shift and a complete restart of their economy as well. They have spent all of their resources in keeping the people employed. If you can trust the numbers they have put out they now have a GDP rate of less than 2.4 %. Compare that to the U.S.’ supposed GDP of what 2.9. In both cases though for an economy to grow it takes at least 4.5 % GDP increase each year.

          Unemployment in China is well over 20% at this time and getting worse every month. And unlike here in the U.S. they don’t have part time jobs. Just jobs that pay jack nothing and because of inflation over in China as is here it does not buy very much.

          The problem is that China the government is the main employer in the country. They like us are pumping out currency like there is no tomorrow but because so many raw materials have to purchased out of country they cannot afford enough to keep their people working.

          So when the peoples republic get tired of no job, food and or money they are going to turn on that countries leaders. When that happens just like it is going to here sooner or later all hell is going to hit the fan around the world. Because if they go then we go as well and visa versa.

          And there is no one else with the size and scope of an economy like either China or the U.S. to take our place. Goodbye global economy. Goodbye to all that we or they knew as the good old days.


          • China is in much better condition than we are. They’re a country that imports raw materials and sells finished goods to the world. Very little is made in America. Almost everything is made in China. China will get a cold. America will die of pneumonia.

            • With respect BC I have to question that…Ive talked with several business owners who do business in china and go there on occasion…they all say the place is a mess outside the controlled image areas and getting worse…we have troubles here for sure but Idont think china and others are sitting pretty so to speak…

      48. Think about it our government prints money with nothing backing that money and with a debt of 200 trillion. No wonder we have Obamacare to bail out our Medicaid, medicare health system. Bet you we go broke before then.

      49. Conclusion of Ron Paul’s farewell speech to congress in Nov 2012. Entire speech worth reading at: http://www.naturalnews.com/038006_Ron_Paul_farewell_speech_liberty (dot) html

        What are the greatest dangers that the American people face today and impede the goal of a free society? There are five.

        1. The continuous attack on our civil liberties which threatens the rule of law and our ability to resist the onrush of tyranny.

        2. Violent anti-Americanism that has engulfed the world. Because the phenomenon of “blow-back” is not understood or denied, our foreign policy is destined to keep us involved in many wars that we have no business being in. National bankruptcy and a greater threat to our national security will result.

        3. The ease in which we go to war, without a declaration by Congress, but accepting international authority from the UN or NATO even for preemptive wars, otherwise known as aggression.

        4. A financial political crisis as a consequence of excessive debt, unfunded liabilities, spending, bailouts, and gross discrepancy in wealth distribution going from the middle class to the rich. The danger of central economic planning, by the Federal Reserve must be understood.

        5. World government taking over local and US sovereignty by getting involved in the issues of war, welfare, trade, banking, a world currency, taxes, property ownership, and private ownership of guns.

        Happily, there is an answer for these very dangerous trends.

        What a wonderful world it would be if everyone accepted the simple moral premise of rejecting all acts of aggression. The retort to such a suggestion is always: it’s too simplistic, too idealistic, impractical, naïve, utopian, dangerous, and unrealistic to strive for such an ideal.

        The answer to that is that for thousands of years the acceptance of government force, to rule over the people, at the sacrifice of liberty, was considered moral and the only available option for achieving peace and prosperity.

        What could be more utopian than that myth — considering the results especially looking at the state sponsored killing, by nearly every government during the 20th Century, estimated to be in the hundreds of millions. It’s time to reconsider this grant of authority to the state.

        No good has ever come from granting monopoly power to the state to use aggression against the people to arbitrarily mold human behavior. Such power, when left unchecked, becomes the seed of an ugly tyranny. This method of governance has been adequately tested, and the results are in: reality dictates we try liberty.

        The idealism of non-aggression and rejecting all offensive use of force should be tried. The idealism of government sanctioned violence has been abused throughout history and is the primary source of poverty and war. The theory of a society being based on individual freedom has been around for a long time. It’s time to take a bold step and actually permit it by advancing this cause, rather than taking a step backwards as some would like us to do.

        Today the principle of habeas corpus, established when King John signed the Magna Carta in 1215, is under attack. There’s every reason to believe that a renewed effort with the use of the internet that we can instead advance the cause of liberty by spreading an uncensored message that will serve to rein in government authority and challenge the obsession with war and welfare.

        What I’m talking about is a system of government guided by the moral principles of peace and tolerance.

        The Founders were convinced that a free society could not exist without a moral people. Just writing rules won’t work if the people choose to ignore them. Today the rule of law written in the Constitution has little meaning for most Americans, especially those who work in Washington DC.

        Benjamin Franklin claimed “only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” John Adams concurred: “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

        A moral people must reject all violence in an effort to mold people’s beliefs or habits.

        A society that boos or ridicules the Golden Rule is not a moral society. All great religions endorse the Golden Rule. The same moral standards that individuals are required to follow should apply to all government officials. They cannot be exempt.

        The ultimate solution is not in the hands of the government.

        The solution falls on each and every individual, with guidance from family, friends and community.

        The #1 responsibility for each of us is to change ourselves with hope that others will follow. This is of greater importance than working on changing the government; that is secondary to promoting a virtuous society. If we can achieve this, then the government will change.

        It doesn’t mean that political action or holding office has no value. At times it does nudge policy in the right direction. But what is true is that when seeking office is done for personal aggrandizement, money or power, it becomes useless if not harmful. When political action is taken for the right reasons it’s easy to understand why compromise should be avoided. It also becomes clear why progress is best achieved by working with coalitions, which bring people together, without anyone sacrificing his principles.

        Political action, to be truly beneficial, must be directed toward changing the hearts and minds of the people, recognizing that it’s the virtue and morality of the people that allow liberty to flourish.

        The Constitution or more laws per se, have no value if the people’s attitudes aren’t changed.

        To achieve liberty and peace, two powerful human emotions have to be overcome. Number one is “envy” which leads to hate and class warfare. Number two is “intolerance” which leads to bigoted and judgmental policies. These emotions must be replaced with a much better understanding of love, compassion, tolerance and free market economics. Freedom, when understood, brings people together. When tried, freedom is popular.

        The problem we have faced over the years has been that economic interventionists are swayed by envy, whereas social interventionists are swayed by intolerance of habits and lifestyles. The misunderstanding that tolerance is an endorsement of certain activities, motivates many to legislate moral standards which should only be set by individuals making their own choices. Both sides use force to deal with these misplaced emotions. Both are authoritarians. Neither endorses voluntarism. Both views ought to be rejected.

        I have come to one firm conviction after these many years of trying to figure out “the plain truth of things.” The best chance for achieving peace and prosperity, for the maximum number of people world-wide, is to pursue the cause of LIBERTY.

      50. So Many us Colorado, you’re saying the USD is impervious to economic law to infinity.

        • No, Mr. Mangy Colorado can’t understand math and the fact that the pretty pie chart doesn’t show the deficit.

      51. Prepper Dudes!

        Think for a minute.

        We know there is no new paper series dated post 2009. I have series for each year from 1993 to 2009. Nothing thereafter. How do you know that the banks are not slowly taking the paper cash out of the system?

        How much paper cash is in circulation today?
        How much will there be lets say in two years?

        Do you think it will be the same, more, or less?

        • They only change the date on paper money when the signatures change or when the overall design changes. If the signatures haven’t changed, then the money that was printed today still says 2009.

          I checked my money, and I only have bills dated 2004, 2006, and 2009. The only difference between them was the two signatures on the front.

        • They are absolutely pulling cash out of the system. Anyone who believes anything coming out of Dc or the fed is the truth is setting themselves up for disaster.

          Cash gives you freedom, anonimity.

          Bottom line…They want you dependant on them and afraid of everything else.

          Go the opposite way. Independance, self-sufficiency, freedom…

          Stand with God and “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

      52. We’re going on day 4 of this so called shutdown. Does anyone notice any difference? Does anyone even care that the feds are shut down? I don’t.
        Driving down the road today I kind of felt a little more free without the mountain of stupid that is normally coming from the federal government.
        I kind of wish this shutdown would continue so these idiots are distracted and not passing some stupid nonsense.

        • If they keep going, will we have to pay our Federal Taxes for 2013?

          • You will be “glad and excited” to know that IRS has released a statement that they will continue to accept REQUIRED IRS payments BUT due to the shutdown, NO REFUNDS will be processed….Obama == Drama QUEEN.

        • We would be better off with a permanent shutdown.

        • Well, I live in a small town that depends on tourism, and our parks are closed, people here on vacation are out of luck. The downtown area is historical, run by the various govt. entities, so it is affecting our businesses, mostly mom and pop types. The shutdown is NOT hurting the right people!

        • Well, I live in a small town that depends on tourism, and our parks are closed, people here on vacation are out of luck. The downtown area is historical, run by the various govt. entities, so it is affecting our businesses, mostly mom and pop types. The shutdown is NOT hurting the right people!

        • Yep–the Ky census is down–I wanted to see how many household incomes are in the 20,000/25,000 range.
          It has altered my life as I know it. (sarc off now)

          • Oh, screw ’em–I used the way back machine and found it!!

            • $42,248 $52,762

              That was the median income per household in 2012.
              Now, figure how many households are gonna be getting tax credits of 1,000,000 households and tell me where are these billions coming from??
              The nation is at a standstill and doesn’t have money for essentials–sequestration is taking place, but one state is getting 5 billion+ a year for insurance tax credits??


        Ha ha…

        The first black president of the United States is the last president.

        Go figure.

        You give a brother a credit card and look what he and the feds do..


        un fucking real…

        kiss your dollar goodbye.

        They planned this..the commies…and it’s why the TSA is stocking on hollow point ammo. You don’t need hollow point for target.

        You’d have to be blind to not see this coming.

        An American revolution started by the commies in power.
        They will blame it all on the tea party, the repubs and NRA members.


        Start firing DEMS and LIberals.
        Purge them from your businesses.

        They want to enslave you.

        • Big T Speaks

      54. Sitting here feeling helpless and frustrated that our Troops overseas are being denied the opportunity to watch football this weekend so that this President can “make a point”. He has closed and prohibited entrance to our National Monuments, Parks and Cemeteries in a deliberate affront to our WWII Veterans yet his golf course is exempt. The Washington Times is reporting and I quote “It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

        Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/#ixzz2gnRE6izT
        Now, if I owned a team, was a member of a team or had the ear of one of the above I’d suggest that we take the game “off “ to show that we, as Americans respect the sacrifice and just not show-up on Sunday but that’s not going to happen. Then I had this epiphany, on October 11-13 American and Canadian truckers are expected to converge on Washington D.C. in protest that we have all had enough. http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/now-truckers-convoy-to-d-c/
        I suggest that we take it one step further let us all join in by simply dropping out. What I’m asking is that we make no purchases period, if we own a business close it for those three days. Pull the breakers from your panel and don’t participate with the “system in any way. Let’s make these three days a dress rehearsal for the times a lot of us are prepping for anyway. I believe it will draw some attention when there are few if any cars on the road and no revenue being generated.

        • TnRick,

          The level to which this administration has stooped to in this partial govt shutdown is disgusting!

          In Florida…

          Feds try to close the OCEAN because of the shutdown.
          – prohibit fishing boats
          – ban access to the ocean

          Breitbart dot comm

      55. If we say “China is really profiting from the United States”, to whom are we really referring? It is true that the Chinese government is getting an advantage in economic activity, but who is the front-line collectors of revenue and aggregators of profit in China?

        You guessed it. Multinational corporations who have moved their businesses to China. America is being plundered and the global corporations rack up record profits.


        This sale is under the table in that most Americans don’t have a clue that it is being sold out from under their feet–one piece at a time. The sale is deceptive because as the red ink grows larger and larger, we are told by the global elite groups like the Trilateral Commission that trade and budget deficits dont really matter that much. The sale is dishonest because it was planned from the beginning by these elite groups like the Trilateral Commission to TWIST AND MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM.

        The fact that America’s downward financial spiral started in earnest shortly after the Trilateral Commission was founded by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski is NOT incidental.

        The policies that brought us the “New International Economic Order” (their own phrase) have wrecked our country.

        America is in a grevious and trepid situation.

        Any number of isolated incidents could touch off a financial firestorm that burns our house to the ground. When a corporation goes bankrupt, it seldom is advertised in advance. Its customers, shareholders and debtors are invariably in a state of shock when the bankruptcy occurs, even though hindsight shows there were ample evidences of impending bankruptcy. So it is with America. There is evidence everywhere of what is happening to us, but there are few eyes to see, and ears to hear it.

        In 30-40 short years America has gone from the strongest and most stable nation on earth to one of the weakest and most unstable.

        Poor Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall and had a great fall, but few people will see the real truth that HUMPTY WAS PUSHED.

        My comment:

        Wonderful info at bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_nwo81htm

        • “AMERICA IS FOR SALE.” – Pissed Off Granny

          America is not for sale, because it’s already been giving away.

          Why do you think its 16 trillions in debt for and creating out of thin air?? 🙁 I don’t think they decide the REAL number yet.

          • Really, nobody’s ever seen the actual debt record. We’re only told by Trolls, agents and the mainstream media that what we owe, and the FED expects us to just accept it. So I don’t think they’ve decided what the REAL number is YET!

            No one has seen or has ever audited the FED’s book during the last century.


            ““ U.S. Treasury Warns of What’s to Come: “Catastrophic Effect… Could Last for More Than a Generation”” – Mac Slavo

            More Than a Generation or even 1000 years, but Trolls said we will have 1000 years of PEACE (but it’s hell for us!!!) 🙁

      56. I trust you meant ‘internment’ and not ‘interment’.

      57. Yawn, the same old manure and the implied solution:

        “In the event that a debt limit impasse were to lead to a default, it could have a catastrophic effect on not just financial markets but also on job creation, consumer spending and economic growth,” the report said.”

        Therefore we should keep the fraud going by printing more money and hoping the world doesn’t notice that it’s backed by nothing.
        These idiots assume money can be created out of thin air for eternity with no consequences.

        “Credit markets could freeze, the value of the dollar could plummet, US interest rates could skyrocket, the negative spillovers could reverberate around the world, and there might be a financial crisis and recession that could echo the events of 2008 or worse.”

        Therefore we should keep the fraud going by printing more money and hoping the world doesn’t notice that it’s backed by nothing.
        These idiots assume money can be created out of thin air for eternity with no consequences.

        Hint to these delusional masters of the universe:
        Default will happen regardless, due to the utterly reckless fiscal and monetary policies set in place by elite politicians and financial kings.
        They’ve (the pirates) already skimmed the cream off the top, and the serfs now get to pay the price.
        The standard of living MUST decline for awhile, perhaps a long while, until an equilibrium is achieved again.
        There will be defaults as a credit backed world discovers that promises to pay are not the same as actual payments.
        The standard of living was inflated by cheap credit and unending debt expansion.
        The piper will be paid and there is no way to avoid it.
        Take the medicine now and drop the pretense of eternal economic “growth”.
        But… they will never take the medicine so they’ll pull the world into an abyss that will last for decades.
        This outcome is already baked in the cake.

      58. When Dmitry Medvedev was the president of Russia, he conspired with nations such as PIGS (China, India, Spain, etc..) to use substitute currency and drop the dollar.

        The Russian Liberal Democratic party made laws to drop the dollar as well.

        A picture of Medvedev showed him with the new currency.

        In the video George Soros wanted to replace the dollar with the IMF’s new world currency, which he talked about at least a decade ago. And George Soros is also known for “the guy who broke the bank of England.” 🙁

        IMF drafted a contract to have 27 countries agree to IMF’s laws. Twenty 26 nations did, except Britain. Germany / Merkel signed the contract, and demanded PM David Cameron sign it as well, but he refused.

        Good for him, he does not want to give his country away without firing a shot. 🙂

        Britain’s socialist Union Party leader, Ed Miliband also wants PM Cameron to sign it.

        You can see this has been planned for quite sometime.
        It’s not just decades ago or just only for America.

        • Sorry, I meant Twenty six (26) nations did, except the United Kingdom.

          And BRICS is the right one, the gang of five.

          BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa.) BRICS is the acronym for an association of five major emerging national economies, and all five are G-20 members.

          First BRIC summit:

          The BRIC grouping’s first formal summit, also held in Yekaterinburg, commenced on 16 June 2009, with the host leader Dmitry Medvedev (President)

      59. Think of all the youth under 30 who have very little prospect for a future financial existance. The major reason for the upcoming collapse is and has been the removal of American jobs to foreign lands. This treason has destroyed our economy and country. Predatory capitalism is at a fever pitch, impoverishing hope for the future, for the majority of the workforce. TPTB have done this with minimal blowback from the people. While the people wait for the inevitable collapse, the traitors continue their domestic defense buildup to protect themselves from the coming shitstorm of anger of the citizens.

        • Alamo,

          I agree. Here is an article about this.

          30 statistics about Americans under the age of 30 that will blow your mind

          Economic Collapse blog

      60. I’m disgusted with these politically correct tin tyrants. I say, do it! Default on the debt! Crash the system! You know you’re going to do it anyway, so get on with it!

      61. AND some thought Obocare was free… Affordable Care or Obocare——let me think about that…

        Tits (sex) sells.

      62. I apologize for being off topic. Mans sets himself on fire today on the Washington mall grounds. you tell me there is calmness in the land and you are living in la-la land.

      63. Someone please explain to me how we could default when our tax revenues more than cover the basic expenses. Tax revenue is at all time highs or around $240 billion. Our basic expenses that include making interest payments, social security, medicare, medicaid, military, etc, only amount to just over $200 billion per month.

        How is a default possible with those figures? Yes, our credit card would be cut up. No more deficit spending and hard decisions to make but so what, those decisions need to be made anyways.

        If we make the interest payments, no default. Am I missing something here?

      64. Wen the shutdown started, my son asked what the big deal was, not as in it was important, but as in what are the ramifications. My hubby answered (he selectively filters what I say) and told mike that in three days mass hysteria would set in and it would be SHTF. I was the perfect opportunity for me to have their full attention and explain why it is I do what I do. For me they concern is hitting the debt limit during this shutdown. Who blinks first? What if nobody blinks? how long until they truly stop printing ss checks, loading snap cards? Will it be fixed before 11/1? If this isn’t settled before 11/1, all the fixed income folks will be SHTF on that day I would suppose.

        I enjoy reading ,any very informed posts here. I work 40 hrs, plus I’m starting my own business, so at 70+ hours a week, I don’t have much time to fully research everything here. Thanks to all who put in so much effort to link us to pertinent articles.

        Right now I’m finishing off one very stout coffee as I tackle 42 lbs of apples. It’s a homemade Xmas this year. App,e sauce, peach preserves, laundry soap with recipe attached. Won’t be any extra for expensive gifts. It’s all going to preps.

        • made me think of Dollys song…Hard candy Christmas…may God smile on your efforts…

      65. Proof that zombies are nocturnal. They can be found at walmarts on the last night of the month around 11p m fuckin’ sweet.

      66. Yep Here we go! I am ready for just about anything , got everything covered as far as i know. Just waitin till TPTB screwup. on a lighter note we went to the local town board meetin( that would be me an doc) We watched the circus from the back row. The town had a budget of 500,000. an had an tax base of 385,000. Yep Houston We have a problem! When the so called Mayor says that we are gonna have to raise taxes, Everybody starts to screamin. Then Ol pisser( we call him that cause He really has a loose kidney, He has got to piss just about every wheres he goes.) stands up an says He wants to sell his place , move to michigan an live with his daughter. Well between me n doc we got it figured out so i stand up an hollerOl cokebottle dennis will buy his place(this takes cokebottle off the town payrole) an me an doc will finance the shebang! the next thing we know The town clerk hollers that she is gonna move the office to her house(I know her shes doc,s wife the only woman i know that carries a peacemaker in her purse) then to get everything straight Ol Marvin jumps up an says He,s movin to Ohio( he,s the mechanic for the town) so at the end of the meetin we got the budget all under control. A the mayor got a paycut B. Ol pisser soldHis place C. Ol cokebottle now has to work for himself D Ol marvin cant sleep under the trucks no more an get paid. E every town resident has to take a turn at plowin the roads in the winter cause other than that we pretty much take care of everythin without supervision. ps We just might do a better job than ol cokebottle as every year we have to replace 50 to 75 mailboxes cause he dont see so good. Time for a piece of toast with some blackberry jam, mabey a big fattie Wildman out

      67. None of my responses or posts have gone through today…they just disappear. I feel like I have been ousted or something. Tried rebooting and reopening..same results. Oh well…to be censored…or is the new reality??

        • Ah, 14 hours later one gets through…seriously weird.

          • Kindle.

            I have had those same issues of few times before. For me, I finally figured it came from my server where they were ‘cleaning’ the cache and thus was not working properly. Once cleaned, it was all fine.

            Other times is when they were doing some maintenance.

            Other times on other blogs where people post often, I noticed my blog didn’t make it when someone had posted at the exact same time. Yes lightning does strike twice.

            Hope your thoughts and opinions keep making it thru….

      68. With about 800k of 1.2 million Gov. employees furloughed, it’s a big number to be sure, but that’s also the problem. If you can ‘let go’ of 2/3 of your Gov. employees and the machine still runs, doesn’t that sound like we were about 800k employees too many anyway?

        Another take away from all of this: If 800k of people are not going to work, and not drawing a check, that will only further stress those people and families further. Yes, they work for the government like so many others, but that’s also part of the problem. Too many people work (if you call it that)for the government and it really needs to be cut back drastically. Start with the over-inflated NSA,TSA and DHS. The debt clock should actually be slowing down, with less money flowing out, yes?

        • $480,000,000 saved in one week!! @ an average of 600 a week.

        • The government is running good enough to barrycade out the Vets going to the memorial sites. Rangers taking pump handles off of water outlets on trails. Paying overtime to have police and rangers block you from using Federal parks.

      69. We The People pay the Federal Employees to run our Country (USA for those that don’t know where we are). We Pay Them! They don’t pay us!

        They only work 90 days a year anyway.

        When someone skips work, they don’t get paid.

        Thus, today our Feds have skipped 5 days. Therefore,

        (5/90) = percent reduction on federal tax payment.


        (6/90) = percent reduction on federal tax payment.

        and so forth.

      70. I am new here, and normally vote Democrat. I guess that I am un-welcome to express my thoughts on this webb.

        • James.

          I am sure youre not the only dem on these boards. If you have something dumb to say, or just a stupid opinion–we will let you know.

          Just being dumb myself.

          Speak up! What are your thoughts?

        • James,believe any who identify with either party whether dem/repub not too bright.That said every now and then a lone voice from either party has a good idea but usually trashed by the party and it’s masters.This country is headed down a dark path in many ways so feel it is important to discuss and at times debate views on how to right the country.The more citizens are divided the easier it is for govt. at any level to screw with the citizens.Speak out and be heard,I disagree with you will be obvious quickly,but discussion and debate and action is important!

        • You are welcome here. Most posters are believers in the right/left paradigm. Both are killing this nation, the democrats are just killing it faster with reckless policies.

        • Welcome James…

          I am registered as “not affiliated”, but we’re all born Democrats (and my dog is still one)…

          We are all born with free health care, free food and free housing.

          You’ll need a thick skin to post anything anti Republican, especially when it comes to their “god” Ronnie “the cowboy” Reagan.

          • Dont be slandering Reagan muthafucka.

          • JRS What in the heck are saying? quote we are all born with free health care , free food and free housing? so far nothing you mention has been free for my family. I have paid for every penny of health care , food and housing for my wife children and Myself. My parent,s did the same for their family. If we could provide for ourselves most others could too. The only free items are the god given inalienable freedoms named in the Counstitioun and Bill of Rights. there isn’t a real difference between republican and democrat.

            • Old Guy:

              I haven’t read where Henry Ford was a liberal but I have read enough about him that I wish he were alive and was our president.

              He published a newspaper: The Dearborn Independent

              He was not concerned with being “politically correct”.

              biblebelievers dot org dot au/intern_jew.htm

              • Pissed off Granny: another great writer is Elizebeth Dillings, she also wrote a massive amount of expose’ that deals with every aspect of every jewish issue and how each affects gentiles and especially christian based nations. I have a couple websites her writings are at. I will see if I can locate them and later post the websites for you and others to read.

                Henery Ford’s own newspaper Dearborn Independant really told the truth and facts that outted the same jew and zio issues.

                Henery later toned down quite alot after he was repeatedly threatened, then his wife and family were threatened. I read of at least one failed attempt at killing henery ford occured due to his constant attempts to awaken americans of the jew banksters and other related jew issues, and how it affected and will affect america in the future.

                That was back in the early 1920’s era. Today we see Henery Ford was Spot On!

                When MSM reporters grilled henery ford about why he wrote about the Protocals of the elders of zion, since jews called it a forgery…Henerys answer was, “Some call it a forgery..But either way forgery or not all I know is that so far everything written of to occure in those protocals Has occured as written and you cannot deny it”

                And That was around 1922 or so! Those protocals were only known of for 19-20 yrs at that point!…If Henery Ford could return to life Today, and see how accurate the protocals were and how many More things has since occured, he would be shocked.

                Henery ford probobly would also be shocked to see so vast a majority of folks still are today denying that the protocals are fact and not a forgery or coincidence etc.

                Its all part of the end times predictions that said the whole world will be decieved…Even the Elect…If that were possible. The elect will soon be the Only folks not so decieved and knowing of the real truths.

                We are very close to the point in time when there will be nobody left to awaken because all will refuse to believe truth. You can see that happening right Here at this site!

                Look how many keep rejecting every evidence and proof and remain stubornly fixated on belief of flasehoods. They Fear truth as it would force them to change their ideas a bit. When noahide law is mandated, they will then see its all truth. Most will then cave in and accept it and later find their names were Blotted out.

                Ever notice how many pastors parrot what John Hagee teaches? IE: “Once Saved Always Saved”…Yet if that were true, why does the bible say “When the Books will be opened, also the book of life, and the Lords angel will look to see if Their Name was Blotted OUT from the book of Life”….If once saved always saved was true, there would be no need to see if their name was Blotted, or Erased, Out right. Ironic so few today question such false teachings. Are they who will accept the ultimate deceptions too?…Very Likly so! And just look how hard at work satans “kids” the Khazars are fomenting the devils deceptions! So far a vast majority of american christians seem to be falling for it too. Hook, Line, and jew.

            • When you were born did YOU pay for your healthcare, insurance or food?

              No…I’d assume your parents did. Same as my dog can’t provide his and a baby can’t provide theirs.

              I was making a joke… as I said I am registered “not affiliated”‘

              Reagan was no better pres than any other. His Chief of Staff, Howard Baker tried to have him removed from office for incompetence and laziness. He was an actor that fell in line with the Bush doctrine after they had him shot.

              I’m am a libertarian …both current parties suck.

              • sorry… responding to old guy.

          • JRS.

            I’m not anti-Dem. The Repubs did some serious damage in 2000-2005. They lost dearly in 2006 and made Bush a lame duck.

            We desparately need another Lame-Duck.

            With Reagan, at least our Morale was very high, both as civilians and as our military. Reagan was a real Leader. I was very proud to be an American and proud of our President.

            Are you proud today? Is our morale high today?

            Yes, we need to enshrine Reagan.

            Plus, I like another cowboy that gave us an American spirit. Yes, the Duke himself….

            John Wayne!

            ‘No, I won’t hit you. The I hell I won’t’

            RIP Reagan
            RIP Duke

            • Sure Reagan was a good actor, too.

              I believe he had little to do with running the .gov. I don’t believe any president is any more than a figurehead.

              Elder Bush was in charge during the Reagan years.

              What about Iran-Contra? Would that affair be considered treason?

              • JRS: Doesn’t Ollie North getting hired at Fox tv, and given a ton of Book deals, while everyone at fox tv treats Ollie north like some huge Hero, Prove that iran contra must have been above board and A Ok?

              • JRS.

                Libertarian? Now that is funny. Really what has a libertarian done positive in USA beside walking around in the their underwear while gardening.

                I have heard much about the Iran-Contra. But nobody really can explain exactly what it was and what it was about.

                I prefer to talk about today’s events like ‘Fast and Furious’ and the economy and dollar collapse and why the dems increased Bush’s deficit spending from $250B per year to well, well over $1T.

                If we want to talk of past, lets talk about Oswald and JFK.

                PS. You are starting to have an influence on me. As of now, I am drinking my coffee wearing just my underwear.

                • Mainly, I just mind my own business and wish everyone else would mind theirs…

                  Heeeyyyy…you been spyin’ on me?

                  I generally only wear my tinfoil hat to garden.

        • James:

          “Am I welcome to post here, I am a democrat”.

          Scrolling on down through the posts I see that everyone welcomed you here; but you did not chose to post anything more.

          Were you too busy to thank them or are you just another troll trying to get someone to bite on your comment?

          • James,just stating that your a democrat puts you in the sheeple class. there is no separate parties. dems. or rep. it really is all the same. All so called parties have one goal in mind,with maybe alittle different perks to ease the sheeple. And thats establishing the N.W.O. Nothing less and surley nothing more. We are well on our way with the Beast system being in full swing.

      71. Maybe the south will rise again and Obama will be on a plantation somewhere with a hoe in his hand. First honest day of work for him I bet.

        “Community organizer”…..being prez. WTF?

        Just another smooth taker.
        Talk his way right into your gals pants. ha

        We will see a division in this country…the business owners and soon all they will employ are repubs. Dems need not apply.

        Dems = socialism = communism = slavery.

        Many are hoping this place collapses so we can get back to constitutional values.

        25% of the nation are on food stamps.

        Imaging taking them away and them all lining up at the mall in a long daily bread and soup line.

        There is a depression on…they just don’t want you to know about it.

        The only think I buy now is silver.
        I’ll be an old man…but at least…I know it will be worth something…

        Nancy cunt Peolosi will take your IRA and 401k.

        The last congress of the United States will not be welcome anywhere in the world.

        ps Visualize Hillary Clinton in a life long burka…just for fun.
        That would shut the bitch up.
        She’d be like “Cousin IT” ha.

        I’m looking forward to the day when I hear that Bill and Al both had heart attacks..then we can put that fucking generation to bed and never plant flowers on their graves.

        Fuck them all.

        • Are You Ready

          Unfortunately unregulated capitalism doesn’t work well either except for the Robber Barons. One need only to remember the working conditions and wages for employees in the pre organized labor days. The concept of Free Trade with slave labor nations and its inevitable lowering of wages is born out of unregulated capitalism. If one cry’s about organized labor destroying the US one needs to look at the US Textile industry which was largely non union and even in those mills that were union the wages were poor. $12 per hour was far too much to pay when 50 cent Asian manpower was available duty free.

          A preferred economic system would be 80% capitalist and 20% socialist. We need Henry Ford but also Walther Reuther.

          • Actually Henry Ford was pretty liberal. long before there where labor unions. He instituted the 40 hour work week. He was the first to pay $5 a day and time & 1/2 for overtime. He wanted his employees to be able to purchase the cars they built. He sponsored schools to teach the immigrants English and encouraged them to become citizens. Henry Ford wanted every family to have some acreage land where they could grow a garden. He believed every man should milk his own cow. Henry Ford believed in giving back.

            • Old Guy:

              Haven’t read any stories about how liberal Henry Ford was but from reading the link I am posting for you I wish we had a Henry Ford for president.

              He had a newspaper called the Dearborn Independent.

              http://www.biblebelievers dot org dot au/intern_jew.htm

            • M y point is we need both roles filled.

      72. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/10/03/oc-high-school-apologizes-after-forcing-student-to-remove-nra-t-shirt/

        They should have NRA day at these liberal fucking schools.

        One day, far in the future, the skies will darken and Russian and Chinese para troopers will fall from the skies in the liberal back yards.

        So on that day.. Let the commies round up all the liberals who are unarmed…and let them do their worst.
        Then we’ll open fire on the invaders who will never see home again.

        Purge the nation of ALL the traitors and invaders.

        Again… dems…fuck them all.

        • Well, I agree, “Are you Ready”. Have you ever heard a Prodigy song called “Invaders Must Die”? I work out to it sometimes. And invaders must die…

      73. The shut down.
        My tenant is not getting paid.
        Hope I get the rent this month.

        My daughters Mom who works at the IRS…zero pay and she’s a widower and has a big mcmansion and bought too much plastic shit from china.

        I’m starting to think that this is an event that will spiral….

        It will be fun to watch the LA riots again.
        That’s blood sport for us crackers.

        Got popcorn?

      74. the great American public

        WTF ???

      75. Can’t blame it all on democrats. Many believe this is FDR’s time. They maybe just mislead. It happens. Can’t say the republicans will save us. They may have gotten into politics for a good cause , but now fiddle while Rome burns. Who cares whose fault it is? It is and that’s it. I prefer to focus on what to do now. I,m not going to brag how smart or rich I am. The truth is I was hit by the IRS and 85k IRA was flushed just to get them off my back. Bussiness got slow and I have live in my car , even in my 50s with mother for a time and I left home at 17 to join the army. So no bragging here. It’s time to stop thinking about blame , but to suck it up and move on. Look at the news and filter out the %#$@. Gold and silver is nice but doesn’t taste good.A bug out bag may be a bug out vehicle. Bug out to where? Some money in gold and silver. Some in food.Test your supplies. X amount of food that you can’t stand. Test samples. Keep your vehicle in best shape you can. Yes even save as much fiat money as you can.Go camping with BOB. Do you have toe nail clippers? Pulls out thorns and host of goodies. Sleep in your car for at least 1 night. Find a place where others do the same out of need. You might be surprised at how many are good working people. Please stop wining about politics and just prep. Wining don’t help. More comments on HOW to prep and survive. Tank You.

      76. When the SHTF all of your guns will be of little use. Keep in mind the new order will have millions of armed drones. Not only are they hard to hit but the losses will not matter to them. The only hope is to find the control centers and take those out in the first few weeks.

      77. When will my green monster purchase a rigged out blue water displacement with a stick?

      78. Reprehensible! Threatening to arrest chaplains for celebrating mass or baptisms! What kind of a country do we live in now? This is an obamination!

        Catholic priests in military face arrest for celebrating Mass

        “The U.S. military has furloughed as many as 50 Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services, banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. …

        “In very practical terms it means Sunday Mass won’t be offered,” Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services told me. “If someone has a baptism scheduled, it won’t be celebrated.”

        The Archdiocese for the Military Services tells me the military installations impacted are served by non-active-duty priests who were hired as government contractors. As a result of a shortage of active duty Catholic chaplains, the government hires contract priests.

        John Schlageter, general counsel for the archdiocese, said any furloughed priests VOLUNTEERING their services could face big trouble.”

        “During the shutdown, it is illegal for them (Catholic chaplains) to minister on base and they risk being ARRESTED if they attempt to do so,”

        “A well-placed source told me that a furloughed Air Force chaplain was threatened after he offered to forgo pay. The chaplain was told he could not go on base or enter his chapel offices. He was also barred from engaging in any ministry activity.”

        Fox News

        • TPTB are working so hard to eliminate religion, specifically Christianity from this once great nation. It makes me sick. Personally I don’t go to “church” because man’s various interpretations of The Word bother me. Many are twisted to their own agenda. And we are not better than that. Once in a blue moon I see posts here that other more well read Christians point out are out of context. Thanks to this site I down loaded an electronic Bible on my iPad, so I can look these things up for myself.

          You also hear of those these day that report God or the angels speaking to them. I do not doubt or discount these folks, unless there is obvious mental issue. We must ” be quiet” and ” be aware”. I believe God speaks to each of us, if we onlylisten. It did not end with REVELATION. Just as God changed his path and sent Jesus, does that not mean he can alter paths again? Not saying he is, just saying we each must choose what we believe based on the convictions of our heart and I appreciate informed discussions (I read and learn more for myself) of The Word, but find the bickering and arguing of “I’m right–you’re wrong” disheartening, but that is a millennia old fight which will never go away.

          There is my piece of advice to all who are new here. There are informative blogs and news websites everywhere…but you must do what you can when you can to verify what you read before you swallow it hook line and sinker.

          • I haven’t been to church for 12 Sundays now. The ‘church’ is just as asleep as 99% of Americans. You can teach Revelation in Sunday School, but just make sure you make it cozy with a beautiful ending.

            Also, the ‘Church’ has too many democrats. I am tired of their opinions. I read and hear those hourly, thus a Sunday should be a getaway, but just more liberal mentalities.

            I’ll go back to ‘Church’, because they need me. They don’t know it yet, but they need me. They need the ‘awakening’ again.

            The Lord is good; people are weird.

            We are the Paul Revere folks. People need to hear from us:

            The End is Coming,
            The End is Coming.


            or be a doofus!

            • Ugly:

              Saw this bible study site posted on some site somewhere. I love it. Covers lots of subjects that the mainstream preachers will never tell their congregations.

              watchman bible study

              • POG.

                Thanks. I’ll look it up.

                I also bought a cheap Kaito Voyager shortwave radio, $68 on Nitro-pak. Someone gave the frequency to Chuck Baldwin’s, but I lost it.

                There is a lady on 6090 and she sounds kind of mad. I try to listen but the signal goes away often.

                • Howdy, Ugly. Try running a mid to heavy gauge wire antenna with an alligator clip attached to each end; 25-50ft. in length will be sufficient with one end attached to the rod antenna and the other end going out of a window to a tree if possible. You’ll notice a big improvement in your signal strength. braveheart

                  • bravehart and Mark.

                    thanks to both.

                    Bravehart, I’ll do as you say. That will work. However, when I purchase I will be abit nervous driving home with some alligator clips if a LEO stops me.

                    Being stupid of course.

                    Thanks for advice. I wrote it down.

            • Ugly,
              Try an Orthodox Church if you are tired of the liberal Protestant “churches”. If you can, look for a Church that observes the “Old Calendar” (Julian Calendar). They are more conservative. I don’t know anyone in my Church who confesses to being a Democrat.

            • Fudge pack. Spewing the bible and god while judging. Doofus? Doofus sounds so 6th grade. Using the same sentence saying god is great and his children are weird is judgmental and hypocritical. Don’t stand too close to anyone. You are going to get hit by lightening. Ask for forgiveness and repent. Say you are sorry to gods children.

          • The church is neither here nor there, it is where two or three people gather together in His name, not necessarily in a building. It is a community, a network, and they need you/we need you, we need each other desperately as we trail blaze our way into the future. Hard times are here, hard times are coming, your timely, outstretched hand will help many an individual stand up and take the next step. Ultimately, it is all about relationships: “Our Father who art in heaven”, “Love your neighbor as yourself”, we are “our brother’s keepers”. God’s plan was there from the beginning. He/God truly was the first ‘Prepper’, people didn’t listen, just like they still don’t listen!

        • Aren’t catholic “chaplains” called priests? Your well placed source is not right or lying. There are a lot more than 50 priests by the way. Non essential people have been let go. Who do you want to get rid of? The infantry?

      79. But WHEN is it going to happen? I think it will, but we’ve been told for the last five or six years that it’s imminent, yet the same printing goes on and on and nothing seems to change.

      80. What a relief, we dodged a bullet this time. You know the only time to worry is when the government tells you not to worry. The only time the government tells you to worry is when they’re trying to get more money out of your pocket, using fear as a persuader, next they will say “It’s for the children” and “If it saves one life it’s worth it”.

        • **next they will say “It’s for the children” and “If it saves one life it’s worth it”.**
          Too bad they didn’t use that logic in Benghazi to save 4 lives.

      81. local paper had some very interesting “Letters to the Editor”
        concerning Obamacare

        there was a half dozen or so letters
        all essentially said the same thing
        massive increases in premiums
        however they ALL had one thing in common
        these people had what are referred to as “junk” insurance policies
        extremely high deductibles and very poor overall coverage

        personally speaking I would essentially regard those people as
        uninsured,for all practical purposes,myself

        that being said
        Obamacare will have a very serious financial effect
        on people with those types of policies

        • Here’s the kicker…..what if physician offices, labs, therapy offices etc demand payment upfront until deductible met? With my HSA plan, normally they would bill me then I would pay out of my HSA bank acct. these folks aren’t going to have the money to pay out if pocket expenses after those outrageous premiums. If they can’t pay up front they’ll be right back in the ER, unless of course all preventive care is covered 100%. I’ll believe that when I see it. Everything the govt touches it fucks up. Please excuse my unladylike speech, but sometimes it’s the only word that fits.

      82. BTW, forgot to post yesterday. Coin and currency show in Manchester New Hampshire at the Radisson hotel. 3 times a year. Steve, one of the guys my DH knows moves Boatloads of junk silver. Has silver eagles, etc, too. I watch him buy junk silver by the coffee canfuls at this show. Good place to pick it up. Next show in May I think.

      83. Why you should go out and do something about your government and not be one who does not care? To call them, let your feelings be known, to vote against radicalism, etc.

        It never occurred to me till I read someone’s comment is that we are being led by the minority. The lesbians, the gays, the progressives, the liberals and radicals, etc., which actually make up a very small minority in this country.

        Then it makes sense to go out and challenge them, and block all their radical agendas and nip them in the bud and let your voice be heard loud and CLEAR. They are a minority and unless they hear from the majority your silence is taken as an endorsement of their radicalism.

        There is a REASON why they are the minority. YOU DO NOT want to be ruled this way, believe you me!

      84. ZOG AmeriKa Puppet Prez Barry Soetoro’s aka Barrack H Obama ‘AL-CIA-DUH’ Terrorist RAPE ARMY …

        Spreading ZOG AmeriKa Israehell Commie Fascism around the globe .

        Syrian Woman Raped in Turkish Refugee camps by Barack Obama backed CIA MOSSAD Terrorists


        * see vid attached


      85. http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

        This is a very long read…so I extracted the interesting part.
        The man who enslaved the American people..who was most responsible was..
        Woodrow Wilson. He could not keep his dick in his pants..so today, you and I are debt slaves to the Jewish bankers.

        I encourage you all to read this very interesting document.

        I feel the end game is to lower the standard of living of everyone..then they release credit cards…then this creates debt slaves.

        1913: On March 4, Woodrow Wilson is elected the 28th President of the United States. Shortly after he is inaugurated, he is visited in the White House by Ashkenazi Jew, Samuel Untermyer, of law firm, Guggenheim, Untermyer, and Marshall, who tries to blackmail him for the sum of $40,000 in relation to an affair Wilson had whilst he was a professor at Princeton University, with a fellow professor’s wife.
        President Wilson does not have the money, so Untermyer volunteers to pay the $40,000 out of his own pocket to the woman Wilson had had the affair with, on the condition that Wilson promise to appoint to the first vacancy on the United States Supreme Court a nominee to be recommended to President Wilson by Untermyer. Wilson agrees to this.

        Jacob Schiff sets up the Anti Defamation League (ADL) in the United States. This organisation is formed to slander anyone who questions or challenges the Rothschild global conspiracy as, “anti-semitic.”

        Strangely enough, the same year that they do this they also set up their last and current central bank in America, the Federal Reserve. Congressman Charles Lindbergh stated following the passing of the Federal Reserve Act on December 23,

        “The Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this Bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized…….The greatest crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill.”
        It is important to note that the Federal Reserve is a private company, it is neither Federal nor does it have any Reserve. It is conservatively estimated that profits exceed $150 billion per year and the Federal Reserve has never once in its history published accounts.
        1914: The start of World War I. In this war, the German Rothschilds loan money to the Germans, the British Rothschilds loan money to the British, and the French Rothschilds loan money to the French.

        Futhermore, the Rothschilds have control of the three European news agencies, Wolff (est. 1849) in Germany, Reuters (est. 1851) in England, and Havas (est. 1835) in France.

        The Rothschilds use Wolff to manipulate the German people into a fervour for war. From around this time, the Rothschilds are rarely reported in the media, because they own the media.

        1916: On June 4, Ashkenazi Jew, Louis Dembitz Brandeis is appointed to the Supreme Court of the United States by President Wilson as per his agreed blackmail payment to Samuel Untermyer some three years earlier. Justice Brandeis is also the elected leader of the Executive Committee for Zionist Affairs, a position he has held since 1914.

        The middle of World War II. Germany were winning the war as they were being financed by the Rothschilds to a greater extent than France, Italy and England, because Rothschilds, did not want to support the Tsar in Russia, and of course Russia was on the same side as France, Italy and England.

        Then a significant event occurred. Germany, although they were winning the war and not one foreign soldier had set foot on their soil, offered armistice to Britain with no requirement of reparations. The Rothschilds were anxious to make sure this didn’t happen as they were expecting to make far more money off this war, so they played another card they had up their sleeve.

        Whilst the British were considering Germany’s offer, Rothschild agent Louis Brandeis sends a Zionist delegation from America to Britain to promise to bring America into the war on the side of the British, provided the British agree to give the land of Palestine to the Rothschilds.

        The Rothschilds wanted Palestine for the following reason. They had great business interests in the far east and desired their own state in that area along with their own military which they could use as an aggressor to any state that threatened those interests.

        The British subsequently agree to the deal for Palestine and the Zionists in London contact their counterparts in America and inform them of this fact. Suddenly all the major newspapers in America that up to that point had been pro-German turned on Germany running propaganda pieces such as: German soldiers were killing Red Cross Nurses; German soldiers were cutting off babies hands, etc, in order to manipulate the American public against the Germans.

        This same year, President Woodrow Wilson, ran a re-election campaign under the slogan, “Re-Elect The Man Who Will Keep Your Sons Out Of The War.”

        On December 12, Germany and her allies offer peace terms to end the war.

        1917: As a result of Germany’s offer of peace the Rothschild war machine goes into overdrive in America,

        • Just follow the money:

          Anyone wanting a true history lesson should look up your link.

          That article will answer any question anyone has about why the United States and the world are in this horrific mess.

        • Just Follow The Money, thanks for the link. An hour and a half of interesting reading. Plus a couple more to check the sources. Damn! My brain is tired.
          I’ve been studying this phenomenon of conspiracy and world domination for a while. Though I’m still, admittedly, not too informed, the deeper I dig the curiouser it gets.
          My interest was first piqued when I was a kid and noticed all those Jewish sounding names in the movie and tv credits. A bit more research turned up the same thing in other industries (newspaper and textbook publishing, banking, so-called social service nonprofit organizations, many other major industries, and everywhere else I looked). It made me wonder just what was going on.
          Last couple of years I’ve done a little more reading on the subject and the enemy is becoming more clearly defined.

          Of course, you know that whenever we say something against the Zionists, people will accuse us of being prejudiced against the poor down-trodden Jews. They think we automatically hate anybody who eats bagels or owns a menorah. When, in fact, that isn’t the target of our comments at all.
          They simply haven’t understood the definition of Zionist as it relates to the blood-sucking, demon-worshipping, human-parasite Rothschild khazars, and the related family names which they’ve polluted with their murderous greed.
          Personally, I try to be an equal opportunity offender and piss off everybody! (but only in good fun) So when they slam me for being an intolerant bigot I just give them a dumb look and say, “Yeah, of course I am. Is there something wrong with that?”
          I even have a huge grudge against a large group of people to the south of me, but only during a certain college football game in October. The rest of the time, I actually like those danged Texans! Boomer Sooner!!!

          • Definition of a Texan Arkie & Okie. A Arkie is a Texan with the shit kicked out of him. A Okie is the shit that was kicked out! and a jew probably caused the whole fight and made money from it.

            • Now, THAT’S funny!!!

        • Santori
          Since I can not play TAG.
          Save Me! Save Me from eating a pastrami sandwich.

          Or was that corned Beef? Hahahaha! What next.

      86. It will collapse, just a matter of when. When the collapse happens, the fighting begins and EVERYTHING IS AT STAKE. The end result is it get better or a WHOLE LOT WORSE.

        I haven’t decided what their MO will be. Will they cut the grid, retreat to one of their D.U.M.B facilities and wait it out til we kill each other off or do something ballsy like storm every k-12 school in this country, ransoming American children’s lives in exchange for turning in our guns and submitting to their NWO…

        Interesting times..

      87. BREAKING NEWS on FOX:

        Navy Seals have killed the leader of al shabaab, the alqaeda affiliate responsible for the Kenyan mall siege in a predawn raid.

        WTF? We can hunt this guy down within two weeks and get justice for Kenyans, but American embassy officials / personnel die in vain in Benghazi?

        • It was for the children!!

        • It wasn’t shebobs, it was shishkabobs.

      88. Sorry but this is nonsense. They will pretend, they will extend. What else are they going to do?

        The system needs credit and it needs to print. And so it will.

        The US owns the global hegemonic security machine through its global network of bases and detention centres. It snoops on the whole world and thus knows the most. Why would such a country lose its power? It has the greatest power of all: knowledge.

      89. If they don’t raise the debt limit, then the government will have to cut 1/3 of the federal budget. The federal government brings in about $2.7 trillion in taxes for a $3.7 trillion budget. Wow, living within our means.

        This is such a propaganda scare tactic. The USA will not end. It will be tough but millions of families have cut their spending by 1/3 these past 5 years.

        • not gonna happen. OPM.

      90. We are so being taken for a ride…….


        A British company under investigation for fraud has been hired to oversee Obamacare. Contract amount?
        $1.25 Billion dollars

        Look up some of the history on this company. Looks like they rule the world……

        • Great.

          A British company overseeing Obamacare.
          A Spanish company counting our votes.

          Does the USA do anything anymore.

          I thing the 10 headed beast (10 Nations) from the sea is here.

          • Low bidders. What do you want? Hire overpaid lazy American union morons to do the jobs? Low bid.

            • Urban G troll.

              Please lie on a couch and then express your problems. I have watched Dr Phil so I know how to handle people at the verge of depression.

              It is not low bidders. It is called corruption. Any moron can count votes when the machine has counted them. What I want is validation that the machine counted them accurately.

              Also, you should take up jogging. Since I took up jogging, it has opened my mind and changed my attitude. I think you should have a goal, like maybe your first marathon in 24 months.

              Good luck with everything.

      91. “If you want to make enemies, try to change something.” — Woodrow Wilson

        “The fact that we’re here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means ‘The buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.” — Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt, March 16, 2006


          “The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy.” — Woodrow Wilson

          “I come from the South and I know what war is, for I have seen its terrible wreckage and ruin. It is easy for me as President to declare war. I do not have to fight, and neither do the gentlemen on the Hill who now clamor for it. It is some poor farmer’s boy, or the son of some poor widow – who will have to do the FIGHTING AND DYING.” — Woodrow Wilson


          “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and ALL our activities are in the hands of A FEW MEN. 🙁 We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world 🙁 — NO longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” — President Woodrow Wilson


          Thomas Jefferson warned:
          “Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.”

          “Banks have done more injury to religion, morality, tranquility, prosperity, and even wealth of the nation than they have done or ever will do good.” — John Adams


            Do you really believe that Healthcare will be provided to you for free at no cost? HAHAHA

            If you have ever dealt with these snake-oil merchants in the past, you will see the writing on the wall. Why do you think the economy around the world are in big troubles??

            Listen to George Soros for yourself and you know what I mean.


      92. Dang, i woulda thought Durango Kidd the former mortgage broker woulda been all over this post telling us how things are looking rosy.
        Has his tune changed or has he just found other pastures? It kinda seems that way, what do you think?:

        Comment by Mr. Banker
        2013-10-05 09:36:06

        I we, us bankers, can keep ‘em broke and desperate then we can effectively own them – which, owning them (owning people) is what slavery is all about.

        But I say it is effectively owning them, not actually owning them, which is really better for guys such as myself because actually owning them means I have to pay attention to feeding and caring for them, which is something that I don’t really want to do.

        What I really want to do is gain control of what they produce – not actually own them but own chunks of their wealth. But I cannot do this by force so I have to resort to doing it by persuasion. Which is really easy to do because most everyone has been dumbed down by the MSM and by what is known as our educational system.


      93. Im at this very moment. watching a program called End of Road on the TV. channel 197 PIVOT. The are doing a pretty simple job explaining how and why the PONZI scheme and Helecopter Ben.s fiat dollar is not sustainable. they liken the creation of dollars bailing out the banks the stimulus ect as not bringing a recovery. Its just kicking the can of problems down the road. and the longer you kick it the larger that can becomes and we are running out of road. also they state the inflation rate isn’t the 2% the goverment claims by using skewed figures but is actually above 10% and steadily climbing. I agree with their opinion the prognosis is gray. the Ecomomy of the whole world is on the printing of US dollars life support. Its never going to be better than today. Tomorrow will be worse. Steady decline or sudden collapse are the only options!

        • If it’s the film that I’m thinking of, the link to watch it online in full is:

          100thmonkeyfilms (dot) com/endoftheroad/

          I watched the trailer on youtube and will watch the film later today. I may have seen it before, but will still watch it.

      94. Financial analyst warns U.S. debt default would trigger a Great Depression

        Posted on October 6, 2013 by The Extinction Protocol

        October 6, 2013 – WASHINGTON – As we close out the first week of the government shutdown, a bigger and even more toxic disaster is creeping into the fray that could make the contentious budget battle look like a slap fight. The Treasury Department said Uncle Sam will be broke by October 17th unless something is done. Treasury secretary Jack Lew hammered home that point Thursday by releasing an unusually ominous statement that warned of catastrophic risks to the economy. House Speaker John Boehner has said he won’t let the government default on its debt, but until steps are taken to raise the nation’s debt ceiling, the possibility of default is still theoretically alive. “If they seriously default on the debt, what we’re really talking about is a depression,” says veteran financial sector analyst Richard Bove, VP of research at Rafferty Capital Markets. In the news video he explains how the fallout would be a lot worse than the recession suffered in 2008 and the aftershocks would be felt for at least a decade. “The first thing you have to do is look at who holds the debt,” Bove says of the $16.7 trillion of bonds the U.S. currently has outstanding. “The first, biggest owner (of U.S. debt) is the social security fund, so you’d have all of these people who are receiving social security payments who now have to question whether they’ll get their payments.” Clearly, that would cause a huge disruption to millions of Americans. But Bove says that is only the beginning since the second biggest holder of Treasuries (at about 12% of the total) is the Federal Reserve, which has “91% of its assets backed by U.S. government debt.” If the value of those assets were to decline, which they indisputably would in a default, Bove says the net effect would be that “we have nothing of value backing the dollar.” They’re actually “Federal Reserve Notes’ as well as the number one asset of choice held in the reserves of governments and businesses all over the world.

        A plunge in Treasuries would also devalue the dollar, which would instantly make everything we buy more expensive, and in turn destabilize countries and economies all over the world. “Eleven-percent of all U.S. debt is owned by the Chinese,’” he says. “That $1.4 trillion represents about a third of the reserves of the People’s Bank of China, so what we’ve now said to the PBOC is, ‘Watch out, we may hit the value of a third of your assets and you can’t do anything about it.’” And this isn’t even half of it. As Bove explains, money market funds, which are used by virtually every person with a savings or investment account, are also “heavily loaded with Treasuries.” So are most bond funds and so-called balanced funds (growth and income funds). A default on U.S. debt would not only cause money funds to “break the buck” –not be able to pay 100-cents for each dollar invested)– but would also cause forced selling by countless other funds that are mandated to immediately sell any asset that has defaulted. “That could easily put $750 billion of Treasuries on to the market” Bove says, inferring that rates interest rates would also spike, and normal borrowing/lending transactions would end. Speaking of banks, the U.S. banking industry holds over a trillion dollars worth of Treasuries and another trillion dollars of government issued mortgage-backed securities, Bove says. If those bonds were to go down in value, he says the banks would also have to “write down the value of those assets and, in essence, wipe out their equity.” It would make the banks insolvent. To summarize, Bove asserts that a default is unthinkable because it would trigger a huge reduction in the value of U.S. debt, which would go beyond disrupting social security payments. A default would upend money markets, destroy bond funds, slam the brakes on lending, cause interest rates to spiral, make our banks insolvent, and deal a blow to our foreign trading partners and creditors around the globe; all of which would throw the U.S. and the world into economic disarray. -Yahoo News

        October jinx: October is historically the worst month to play chicken with global financial markets. So the U.S. deficit spending reaching its ceiling limit on October 17, 2013 may already be the worst thing in the world for jittery financial markets that could be spooked by a miscalculation. What’s the first thing that comes to mind when investors hear the word October? Ghoulish Halloween costumes? Nope. Stock market crashes? Bingo! When it comes to wealth suddenly disappearing, October can be diabolically frightful. The stock market crash of 1929 that led to the Great Depression occurred in October. So did the 22.6% plunge suffered by the Dow Jones industrial average in 1987 on “Black Monday.” The scariest 19-day span during the 2008 financial crisis also went down in October, when the Dow plunged 2,675 points after investors fearing a financial collapse went on a panic-driven stock-selling spree that resulted in five of the 10 biggest daily point drops in the iconic Dow’s 123-year history. October is “known as the jinx month because of the crashes,” according to Stock Trader’s Almanac, the bible for seasonal stock market statistics and trading strategies. Coincidently, Atlas Shrugged Part II, about the financial collapse of America and the institution of martial law, was also released in October of 2012. –USA

        • You are saying they default and value of dollar goes up (payment of debts in dollars is at sub-100% payment). OTOH, they will PROBABLY just print more money – value of dollar goes down YoY. That’s what they’ve been doing for over 100 years now. Give them control of the money supply and they run everything.

          I say there’s a 99.9999% chance they’ll just raise the debt limit. Probably backroom payouts are being made all over the place. I can’t see any reason corrupt politicians would suddenly become concerned about destroying their country. And I do think the vast majority of politicians are corrupt.

      95. Reagan was another democrap turned republicrap. The attempt to raise his personna to a saint is laughable. He was the essential puppet on a string. He went along with cia drug running out of south america and could of been impeached in 1986. The ptb actually wanted dukakis in 88, to flip back to option #2 to pacify the disgruntled masses. Option #1, george bush was elected after trailing in the polls earlier. Both candidates were acceptable to the establishment, as always.

      96. The real danger to us all is the nuclear meltdown at Fukushima in Japan after the 03/2011 tsunami.
        Go to enenews.com to get an eyeball full, quite an awakening.

      97. Atheists are Nihilists..Lite Christians HEART THEM¿¿

        3The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.

        4. also Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination.

      98. I don’t believe articles written by people who can’t even spell check it before publication.

      99. I realize now that the “positioning” is to get thugs in place. Just as the park “rangers” are harassing the citizenry in the other article. The meltdown will be earmarked by government and corporate thugs who will take what you have.

      100. I’m cancelling my credit cards if the rates rise.

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